Full Transcript for Madness | With Brandon Braga | TNG 6.21, "Frame of Mind" | T7R #379

00:04:12.759 Yeah. 75 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:15.680 I mean I hadn't gotten past the first couple of episodes, 76 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:20.040 so it was in season one, so it was a 77 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:25.120 huge tonal shift. It was obvious. You know. I don't 78 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:27.759 know that I was a good much of a screenwriter 79 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.959 at that point, but I certainly noticed the writing was 80 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:34.680 better and sharper, and it was had a really cool 81 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:37.319 science fiction premise. I didn't I had never heard of 82 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:40.879 the bog before, so to me, that was a big, 83 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:45.560 amazing idea. So I was hooked right then and there. 84 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:46.759 Mm hmmm. 85 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:51.439 So Brandon, did your when you started on your journey 86 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:55.519 to become a writer, did you come in it thinking 87 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:57.839 that you were going to be a science fiction writer 88 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:00.720 or like, what was what was. 89 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.519 The kind of writing that you were looking to do 90 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:05.040 the most. 91 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:11.360 I wanted to be at that time a movie screenwriter 92 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:18.519 and director, and so TV wasn't really in my sights consciously, 93 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:26.240 but I think subconsciously because I I was gearing up 94 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.800 to be a TV writer for a long time because 95 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:31.360 as much as I love movies. The only writer I 96 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:35.399 really kind of studied was Rod Serling. I was really 97 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:36.519 into the Twilight Zone. 98 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:37.360 Hmmm. 99 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:41.879 So when I my Golden Standard, the best writer. 100 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:44.720 Yeah, you got attend right there. He's always talking about 101 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:45.560 the Twilight Zone. 102 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.920 I think it's the best show I've ever Actually he's. 103 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:52.920 I mean, it's hard to it's really hard to to 104 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:57.120 to overstate what an influenced Serling was on so many 105 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:03.839 people and television in general. And so when I first 106 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:07.000 started writing for Next Generation, I was a bit intimidated. 107 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:10.079 I was comfortable in the science fiction genre, being a 108 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:13.759 fan of science fiction, but the way I came at 109 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:19.720 it was as Twilight Zone episodes featuring the same characters 110 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.040 every week. So if you if you look at the 111 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:26.839 episodes that I wrote, especially early on, they kind of 112 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:29.759 play like Twilight Zone episodes, including the one you want 113 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:32.360 to talk about today. Frame of mind that this could 114 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:34.759 have been a twilight Zone super easy. 115 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:40.160 Absolutely yeah, practically is Yeah. 116 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:44.560 I treated next I came the different writers Ron Moore, 117 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.360 Jerry Taylor and everybody else. Everybody kind of came at 118 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:51.439 TG from it with their own perspective, and the show 119 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:56.240 really could accommodate any perspective any genre, you never knew 120 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:57.639 what you were going to get week after week. But 121 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:01.240 I think what I ended up being was the guy 122 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:03.319 who if you saw my name on an episode, it 123 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:05.399 was likely to be something kind of off the wall 124 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:11.560 or you know, consider high concept, as they might say today. 125 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:16.279 And that's because I thought, Okay, this is an anthology show. 126 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:19.920 I can do any kind of story I want. I 127 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.399 want to do Twilight Zone stories. And so that's what happened. 128 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:27.120 And I wanted to ask you one more question before 129 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:31.560 we move on to this particular episode. And by the way, Brandon, 130 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:33.920 this is truly an honor to talk with you. I mean, 131 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:35.879 like I said, we mentioned your name all the time 132 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:39.839 throughout Star Trek history, including Star Trek movies like First 133 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:43.519 Contact and generations that turned me into the nerd that 134 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:47.959 I am today. But I wanted to ask when you 135 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:51.399 in the writer's room, a lot of times certain writers 136 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:54.279 bring certain things like for a long time Strock and 137 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:57.319 eyed joke. Ron Moore is the guy they called for 138 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:00.199 with kling On stuff, you know, or somebody else's someny 139 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:02.079 they called on first. 140 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:05.879 We called him the Margaret Mead of the kling On Emperor. 141 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:08.920 If anybody knows who that is. 142 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:14.040 I wish I did now, but somebody knows. 143 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:16.759 It was the cultural anthropologist of the kleing On Empire. 144 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:20.639 So what what did you feel you brought or your 145 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:23.839 voice was uh in the in the writer's. 146 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:27.600 Room, I think, I mean, it was a very small 147 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:32.399 voice to begin with. But my contributions probably were as 148 00:08:32.399 -->

00:08:38.279 I just said, you know, I didn't. My episodes aren't 149 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:43.919 deep character pieces. You know, they're in the case of 150 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:46.279 frame of mind, a good tour to force for an 151 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.720 actor like John them freaks. But my episodes were kind 152 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:55.879 of uh, conceptually driven, you know, time loops and and 153 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:00.320 deconstructing reality in various forms. So I was more of 154 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:04.440 a Twilight Zone esque writer, and and it was I 155 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:06.879 think a good addition to the show that you know, 156 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:10.879 it was in the mix, because like I said, you 157 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:13.000 never knew what you would get week after week. In fact, 158 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:17.799 when we started making the Orrville, one of Seth MacFarlane's 159 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:22.679 victims was, you know, I want this to be like 160 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:26.240 Next Generation, where we do all kinds of different stories 161 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:32.320 about different characters. The captain's not the star. And so 162 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:35.840 I think I filled a certain niche and that was 163 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:43.200 the frequently kind of high concept, often creepy. I guess horror. 164 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.720 I slipped a little horror in there. I was a 165 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:47.720 horror fan as well. 166 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:53.200 Yeah, I definitely sense horror in this episode. First of all, 167 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:59.960 this episode is fantastic. Let's start with that. It's unbelievably enticing, 168 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:02.240 and it's it's, it's, it's it's. 169 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:04.879 One of those kinds of puzzle episodes where you know, 170 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:06.759 when you watch an episode, you feel like you can 171 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:09.200 figure it all out relatively quickly. 172 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:11.000 You see the teaser and you're like. 173 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:13.399 Okay, I know what this is about, and you pretty 174 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:15.600 much have it written in your head. 175 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:16.039 And. 176 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:20.279 Watching this I kind of said, oh, I know this 177 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:24.039 is one of those he's practicing for play. And you know, 178 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:28.519 we've seen Data do performances and other characters, you know, 179 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:30.240 practicing for a performance. 180 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:30.840 I think. 181 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:36.639 Picard also had a performance of some sort. But either way, 182 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:38.919 it felt like, oh, this is predictable. I get where 183 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:41.919 this is going. And then there was a point i'm 184 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:44.559 watching this I didn't even know what

was reality anymore. 185 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.639 I couldn't even tell you what part was reality. 186 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:52.399 I was lost to I felt like the character and 187 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:56.399 I think that's the testament to the writing, and I 188 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:59.360 want to ask you about that. You are the credited 189 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:03.840 as a soul on this episode, which I always take 190 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:07.000 note of because we think of the shows as a 191 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:11.200 collaborative episode process. But every once in a while we 192 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:15.960 get a one name and it means that you know, 193 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.360 at least the bulk of it is comes from your head. 194 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.200 And I wanted to talk about the process of you know, 195 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:25.919 just you being the solo writer on this episode. 196 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:32.240 Well, you're correct in pointing out that television, certainly, our 197 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:36.399 next generation was highly collaborative. There were seven of us, 198 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:41.320 I think sometimes less. We were doing twenty six episodes 199 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:46.559 a season, NonStop, and it took all of our effort 200 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:49.720 to make this happen to coming, you know, because we 201 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:52.919 had we were burning. Look you acted on the show, 202 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.759 you know that you were burning through a script every 203 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:02.120 eight working days, Yeah, seven or eight working days. So 204 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:07.559 in this case, I remember it was late in season 205 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:10.559 six and Ron and I were kind of flying solo. 206 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:14.200 The writers had kind of everyone had broken off and 207 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:15.799 it was kind of doing their own things. I just 208 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.600 remember breaking sitting in the room with Ron and we 209 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:20.960 kind of broke this story out together. I had this idea, 210 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:24.960 what if what if one of our characters woke up 211 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:29.159 in an alien insane asylum and was told that their 212 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:32.279 entire life on the starship was a delusion, And really 213 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:37.639 just kind of went with that and we broke I 214 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:41.440 remember breaking out the story pretty quickly and then having 215 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:44.159 to I wrote it pretty quickly. I remember speaking of 216 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:48.879 Star Trek conventions. I remember writing this episode on a 217 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:53.799 plane stranded in the snow, on a on a passenger 218 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:57.440 jet leaving New York. We were at a Star Trek convention. 219 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.000 You know, you could I kind

of you never stop. 220 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:06.279 You were always writing the show, you know, so, uh 221 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.440 and I just remember, you know, I wrote it. It 222 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:14.559 was generally well received, beautifully directed by James Conway, and 223 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.519 we were on to the next one. You know, there 224 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:20.799 wasn't a lot of time to stop and contemplate anything, 225 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:21.960 you know. 226 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:25.200 Yeah, And I want to ask you because you're one 227 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:28.639 of the few people that can kind of testify to 228 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:32.799 this the mood at this time period this uh you know, 229 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:35.759 you mentioned late in season six we have Deep Space 230 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:40.759 nine I think filming at this point, and what was 231 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:46.840 the mindset of the awareness of another show. I mean, 232 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:49.600 was it like, hey, we can't these are certain subjects 233 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:53.000 we couldn't cover where they're where. We were shorthanded on 234 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:55.360 writers that were doing double duty. 235 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.759 What was the yes to everything you're saying? I mean, 236 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.399 you know, it wasn't anything off. No subject matter. We 237 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:09.159 weren't allowed to touch other than a space station. And 238 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:11.679 stories were like sifting for gold. I mean, if we 239 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:16.759 had a story, it was ours. A story it was theirs. 240 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:23.200 But on next Gen we were very, very aware of 241 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:25.679 Deep Space nine. It was a big, big deal that 242 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:27.080 there was going to be another show. 243 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:28.840 Huge. 244 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:31.879 Star Trek was huge at the time. It was it 245 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:39.000 would get bigger, but it was hugely popular. Michael Pillar's 246 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:42.639 attention was all on Deep Space nine. So Jerry Taylor 247 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:44.960 had taken over the show running duties and our staff 248 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:50.639 got that much smaller, and losing Michael was huge. We 249 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.159 were down one of the head writers, so more responsibility 250 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.320 fell on me and Ron for instance, I think, and 251 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:01.279 fortunately I think we were up to the desk at 252 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:06.200 that point, but they were also shorthanded on Deep Space nine. 253 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:10.120 And at the end of season six, Michael asked me 254 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:14.399 to join the writing staff of Deep Space nine, and 255 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:17.960 he gave me the option of saying no, and I 256 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.559 said no. Not because I wasn't excited about writing on 257 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.759 Deep Space nine, but because I felt like I really 258 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.720 wanted to. We knew at that point that season seven 259 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:31.799 was going to be the last season, and I really 260 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:34.039 just wanted to. I really wanted to see next Gen 261 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:36.320 all the way through to the end, and I figured 262 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:39.840 if he still needed me, I could still get a 263 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.759 job on that show. So but I do wonder, well, 264 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:45.559 what if you know I'd gone over there? 265 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:50.120 You know, I've always thought of season seven as possibly 266 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:53.559 my favorite TNG episode, So I'm looking forward to that. 267 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.480 When you are watching Frame of Mind, I don't know 268 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:00.840 if you've watched it recently, right before this, or if 269 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.720 you just happen to chance upon it fifteen years ago 270 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:07.000 on UPN or something. Is there a moment that you're 271 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:10.440 that you see a certain scene or a certain line 272 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:13.159 where you go, yeah, that was pretty good. I really 273 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:14.840 nailed that one. 274 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:21.000 I say with total honesty and transparency. I've never thought 275 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:27.000 of that about anything that I've written. I do. I 276 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:29.360 tend to gravitate more towards the things that aren't working, 277 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:34.360 and I think I watched this episode it happened beyond 278 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:38.159 I think BBC America one evening and I tuned in. 279 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:40.960 I was horrified to see they were cutting out scenes 280 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:44.279 for time to fit more commercials in. And this is 281 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:48.000 not an episode where you can do that. And that's 282 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:51.120 and that's a testament to I mean this you mentioned, 283 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:53.279 you mentioned it. It's like a puzzle. It is like 284 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.720 a puzzle, and if you start removing pieces, you're screwed. 285 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.600 It falls apart. And I was pretty pissed off about that. Aside, though, 286 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:04.960 I remembered what scenes were missing, and I was generally 287 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:08.640 it held up really well. I mean, there's a couple 288 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.240 of things. You know, the guy playing the sadistic guard is, 289 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:14.160 with all due respect to that actor, he was not. 290 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:16.640 He was in a different movie. I thought he was not. 291 00:17:18.119 -->

00:17:20.160 I wish we'd had a better sadistic guard. 292 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:23.079 Well, the guy seemed like he was like six seven 293 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.759 or six eight, so you didn't have a ton of options. 294 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.680 He didn't have to be that big, you know. He 295 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:32.200 just was not. He was in the Mad Magazine version, 296 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:35.200 he just was. He was not. He wasn't tonally right, 297 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:36.079 he was he was. 298 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:37.480 It was. 299 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.680 It was a little cheesy, and that was a huge 300 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:43.440 thing for me. I remember when we were making it 301 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:46.480 and I wasn't that involved in casting at that point, 302 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.599 but I was upset about it because that that character 303 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.759 that Foil is important to the story. You know, he's 304 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:57.079 providing a lot of the tension, and I just didn't 305 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:00.799 love him. But the spoon lady more than makes up 306 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:05.319 for it. Susanna Thompson, who we would a lot of times, 307 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:08.640 as you know, Sirok, we would reuse actors in different 308 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:12.079 roles if we liked the actor, you know, yeah, and 309 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:14.000 so she would end up playing the boy queen. At 310 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:15.240 one point, she. 311 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:17.400 Was in a couple episodes of Deep Space nine as well. 312 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:19.279 She's really accomplished, yep. 313 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:21.960 But I you know, the episode held up well. I 314 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:26.759 mean I really look, I really liked the fact that 315 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:28.799 they were putting on a play called Frame of Mind, 316 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.720 like the play on the play on the title. I mean, 317 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:33.559 the whole episode is kind of I guess what you 318 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.480 would call today kind of meta. And in fact, I 319 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:40.000 think if it was an episode perhaps on one of 320 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.359 the new incarnations of Star Trek, they might have even 321 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:47.960 added a layer of reality where his name's Jonathan Franks 322 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:52.359 and he's on he's on a TV show called Star Trek. Yes, 323 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:58.240 but I think it you know, it's a you know, 324 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.640 episodes like that are hard to finish off. You know, 325 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.839 I don't think I think the ending is when it's 326 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:13.240 revealed what's really going on. It's a little underwhelming. It's 327 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:16.960 a tough one. It's a tough one because it can't 328 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:20.599 be you know, what

is really happening. I think, you know, 329 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:23.039 sticking the landing on these kind of episodes is hard. 330 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.599 I think I did it in the time loop episode 331 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:28.720 Cause and Effect, stuck, stuck the landing, but yes, but 332 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:32.119 this this one not quite as much. But it's a 333 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:33.400 fun ride as you go. 334 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:39.000 I think Jonathan Fraakes did a fantastic job in his performance. 335 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:45.000 There were subtle variations in how he would deliver his 336 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:49.039 lines in the play format of the script, and I 337 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:53.839 thought I just loved the variation there. I just thought 338 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:56.359 he really took an opportunity to say, Okay, I'm going 339 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:01.119 to really do some good acting here and showcase Mike abilities. 340 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:04.559 And I felt like this was the perfect, you know 341 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:08.279 platform for that. You mentioned Cause and Effect another really, 342 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:12.160 you know, I love that episode. It's a fantastic episode. 343 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:16.079 And again back to Twilight Zone. I am a huge 344 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:19.720 Twilight Zone fan, and I think that the Star Trek 345 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:25.599 episodes that approach sci fi in the Twilight Zone manner are. 346 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:31.039 The best ones for me. All right, Yeah, yeah, as 347 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:33.079 a fan, you know, I just just you know, just 348 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:38.720 watching Twilight Zone, the way they would leave the audience guessing. 349 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:41.079 The way they would leave you with a moral kind 350 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:44.599 of thing to chew on afterwards, whether you know what 351 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:45.839 is right, what is wrong? 352 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:46.160 Is this? 353 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:49.000 Is this a situation you would want to find yourself 354 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:53.079 in in the guessing game where you're thinking you know 355 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:55.119 the plot, but you really don't know the plot. 356 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:01.000 Fantastic, you know. I I just want to credit you 357 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:02.519 for that. I also wanted to talk a little bit 358 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:06.640 about James Conway and the directing. Yeah, I thought I 359 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:09.480 thought he did a really good job. 360 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:11.880 And there were some chances that he took in this, 361 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:17.680 for example, the breakaway from the reality sequencing of the 362 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:22.200 shattering of that particular reality, uh you know, where it 363 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:25.400 would crumble into another reality and kept crumbling backwards. 364 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:29.559 How did you feel about the style of of of 365 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:31.079 what it looked like? 366 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:35.359 Well, Conway was one of my favorite, if not favorite 367 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:39.920 director of the show at that point. He's just really 368 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:46.559 raisor sharp, super specific direction. The opening shot is was 369 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:50.000 a very unusual shot for Next Generation is one one 370 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:55.680 long take pushing in towards Jonathan, which was you don't 371 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:58.759 really notice because it's you're leaning into the drama of 372 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:03.799 whatever's happening. But that was that was a risky thing, 373 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:08.680 you know, when you're writing these scripts. And I think 374 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:13.400 I even wrote in the script, you know, reality shatters 375 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:18.000 like shards of blah blah blah. You know, you do wonder, well, 376 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:19.160 what does that god look like? 377 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:19.599 You know what? 378 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:23.160 Yeah, it's the director gonna what are they gonna do? 379 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:23.839 But he. 380 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:29.599 And and he he just handled the transitions between realities 381 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:33.319 were beautifully handled. And they mostly were not done with 382 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:38.839 visual effects. They were just clever cuts and and some 383 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:41.960 and I will say this in rewatching the episode, I 384 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:45.880 got lost in it. Two I I was, I was unmoored. 385 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:54.039 I wasn't sure you know what was going on? So yeah, yeah, 386 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:55.400 m hm, you know. 387 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:57.599 And it does make you wonder when you're watching it 388 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:01.000 for the first time. You think, even when the episode 389 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:04.839 is over and I've seen this episode before, I found 390 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:07.480 myself checking how much run time there was left, just 391 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:09.440 to make sure there wasn't gonna be one more twist. 392 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:12.119 I was like, wait, oh, that is it over or 393 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:12.559 is it not. 394 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:16.759 One thing I wasn't happy about was the way and 395 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:20.599 I'm sure this was Rick Berman. He cut things too 396 00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:24.839 tight sometimes. The final shot, I really wanted to hold 397 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:29.240 a long time on Riker taking down the set. It 398 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:33.240 was symbolic to me he was taking it, he was 399 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.599 taking that reality down, and I wanted to hold on 400 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:39.000 it a long time, and Conway shot it that way 401

00:23:39.799 --> 00:23:41.799 because I think if you held on it just a 402 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.400 little too long, you would have even felt that a little. 403 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:51.480 More right, right, You don't know, you're not sure which 404 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:52.519 reality were being left it. 405 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:55.240 It just got out of there a little too quick. 406 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.200 But you know, but when we were doing these things too, 407 00:23:59.319 --> 00:23:59.599 you know, you. 408 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:03.920 Didn't know. 409 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:07.519 I think nowadays you have a better sense of how 410 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.400 certain episodes of Star Trek might be received, or in 411 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:15.240 my case, the Orville, but at that time you didn't, 412 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.599 and so, you know, I wasn't sure how this would 413 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.240 be received. Are people? Are people gonna like that? It's 414 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:25.079 not necessarily your typical Star Trek episode has all the 415 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:28.240 characters in it, but it was different. It was a 416 00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:32.839 little bit different, it was, but people liked it. People. 417 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:35.559 It turns out you know, they were craving that kind 418 00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:40.000 of thing. I think it's that statistic guard behind you. 419 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:45.920 I didn't even notice them. You didn't intimidate me too much. 420 00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:49.920 And you mentioned something in this episode too that I 421 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:57.319 feel like almost becomes the defining characteristic of Deep Space 422 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:01.599 nine ironically, and that is you. You say something to 423 00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:04.960 the effect of, oh, councilor schroy is talking to Rikers. 424 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:08.880 She says, sometimes it's healthy to explore the darker side 425 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:14.240 of the psyche. And Juhn called it owning your own shadow. 426 00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:14.880 And so. 427 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:19.720 Deep Space nine being called the dark show. 428 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:23.799 And always being compared to in that way because the 429 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.559 subject matter and things that just didn't have the kind 430 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:30.519 of cheery up but he you know, feel good vibes 431 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:32.240 that next generation started out with. 432 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:38.160 It felt like this episode, the darkness that's in this 433 00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:40.119 episode ends up. 434 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:45.799 Kind of, you know, being one of the defining characteristics 435 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:47.200 of Deep Space nine essentially. 436 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.359 Look, it's an interesting observation. And I and now that 437 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:58.000 I hear you saying

that, I always wondered why Michael 438 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:02.839 picked me to go over to Face nine. You know, 439 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:07.799 ron Ron would end up going there, but he approached 440 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:11.680 me and I and I think maybe that's maybe he 441 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:18.599 thought my sensibilities were better served there because of episodes 442 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.039 like Frame of Mind. I don't I don't doubt it 443 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:24.920 never occurred to me until now here listening to say that, 444 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:26.640 but I think that's probably part of it. 445 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:28.680 It's a really good point. 446 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:32.960 It feels like a deep bixed nine episode totally. You know, 447 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:35.680 it's just this just could be duet, this could be 448 00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:37.519 any kind of you know, one of thes. 449 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.200 I mean, it could be the one where O'Brien is 450 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:41.680 in a mental prison. 451 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:44.480 Yes, yes, oh man, Yeah, it was crazy. 452 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:46.799 That was intense, and. 453 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.400 So far this season is my favorite season. By the way, 454 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.200 Season six did Chain of Command also where he you know, 455 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:56.480 there are four lights that also had a darkness to it, 456 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:01.559 like you know, you're talking about the Simi concepts in 457 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.039 a way where you're getting broken down mentally. 458 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:05.039 Uh. 459 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:08.279 And that's another thing that I really like about Star 460 00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:12.960 Trek Next Generation in specific, is mental health becomes really 461 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:16.359 got the forefront of a lot of discussion where it 462 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:20.279 wasn't so much so in the original series, Like you know, 463 00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:24.079 how are you doing mentally? Is not really a big thing, 464 00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:28.640 but with the counselor on Next Generation and the conversations 465 00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:31.319 that come out of it. There are some you know, 466 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.960 you mentioned best of both worlds. You know, there's some 467 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:35.519 mental trauma that comes. 468 00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:38.880 Out of that that leaves the card you know, scarred then, 469 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:39.119 you know. 470 00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:43.480 And in the episode Family that came after that was 471 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:50.720 radical in its day, like it was. It wasn't the 472 00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:54.480 studio's favorite idea, like they were like, well, whoa, whoa, 473 00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:58.000 what are you doing a family drama? And it's not 474 00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:03.720 even in space but it was but that, but the 475 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:08.000 audience they liked it, you know, and so we would 476 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:14.960 We kept pushing the boundaries in certain ways. And and 477 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.480 with a councilor on board, as you point out, why 478 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.599 is there a counselor on board? Anyway? I thought people 479 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.000 are supposed to be better adjusted. In the twenty fourth. 480 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:28.720 Issue, well, I've always made the observation that I didn't 481 00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.680 think the counselor should be seated right next to the 482 00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:32.799 captain on the bridge. 483 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:34.559 I thought the counselor should right. 484 00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:36.440 It didn't hat long. 485 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:40.640 Yeah, it was like the counselor should have you know, 486 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:43.359 an office where people go in and sit down on 487 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:45.880 the cell phone, get some therapy, but you know, right 488 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.680 next to number one, you know and all these like, 489 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.240 what what purpose are you serving other than when diplomats 490 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:54.200 come and you're testing to see if they're lying or 491 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:54.799 telling the truth? 492 00:28:55.319 --> 00:29:00.799 That could be easily done on a type knee basis, you. 493 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.359 Know, speaking of mental health and the kinds of episodes 494 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:05.960 I was doing at that time, you know, it's I 495 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:11.480 don't remember what season Phantasms was in, or even birthright 496 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:16.680 part one. These bee where Data was beginning to have dreams, 497 00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:21.319 and in the case of phantasms, nightmares and phantasms has 498 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:26.720 some strong similarities to Frame of Mind and somebody whose 499 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:32.119 reality is crumbling and in this case an android, and 500 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.319 that episode actually has a much cooler explanation for what's happening. 501 00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:42.000 So I was really I think by the time I 502 00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.960 turned counselor Troy into a piece of cake. 503 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:51.720 That's a spoiler, I hit the apex of my. 504 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.000 Reality bending yea. 505 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.839 With mint frosting. Phantasms is season seven, episode six. 506 00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:02.640 Okay, so you're in for a treat. 507 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:06.359 There a cake treat, Brandon. We only have you for 508 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.599 another minute or so, but it's been mentioned twice, so 509 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:16.440 I have to tell you this, Brandon. Every time I 510 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:19.920 get somebody to watch Star Trek for the very first

511 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:24.079 time I show them one of your episodes. And that 512 00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:28.200 first episode that I use to indoctrinate people is cause 513 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:31.759 and Effect. I think it is the perfect bottle episode. 514 00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:36.200 Anybody can come in know nothing about Star Trek and 515 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.839 get it. It's like a Twilight Zone episode. Right you 516 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.720 walk in, you see what's going on. They flip back, 517 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.599 they do the first time. You get it. You understand 518 00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:47.240 what people's roles are. Everybody has a clearly defined role. 519 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:52.880 It's simple yet complex, easy to understand yet interesting. It's 520 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.400 got a great end. It's to me, it's a perfect 521 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.359 bottle episode, and I want to thank you for helping 522 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.119 me turn a bunch of people into Star Trek fans. 523 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:09.400 Listen, man, that's that's I'm flattered. I love to hear that. 524 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:15.759 And another good one to indoctrinate people is I think 525 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:20.799 the movie First Contacts, my favorite movie, which was by 526 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:26.200 design meant to expand its horizons, to indoctrinate new people, 527 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.079 to literally tell them what Star Trek is and see 528 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.759 the birth of Star Trek and make that what's at 529 00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:35.599 stake in the movie is Star Trek itself. That's that's 530 00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:37.759 when I wouldn't think to do cause and effect, but 531 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:40.880 I see why. I can see why. It's high concept, 532 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:45.039 it's kind of gripping. It's the kind of stories that 533 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.680 the show. If you like this one, you'll like the show. 534 00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:48.000 Yeah. 535 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:49.680 And at the end of the episode they go, that 536 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:52.200 was really cool. All Right, I'll watch another one, and we're. 537 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:52.519 Like, we win. 538 00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.000 By the way, Ryan is the most critical of time 539 00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.759 distortion episodes except for that one. 540 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.519 It's it's it's one of the best episodes ever. 541 00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:07.160 You know, somebody did a I did an interview for 542 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:16.559 some publication about the history of time loop stories, and mine, 543 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:22.079 I think, is the first one. It's interesting to look 544 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.559 now at time loop stories are. It's a subgenre of 545 00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:31.079 of its own, and which is just something that everybody knows. Okay, 546 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:35.240 this is a time loop movie. And but at the time, 547 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:37.000 and I've said, you know, you've probably heard me say 548 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:41.920 this before. Hm, people didn't know what the hell was happening. 549 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.960 They thought something was wrong with their TV set. 550 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:45.920 I love it. 551 00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:47.640 They did. 552 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:51.119 They thought something they broadcast, something's wrong with the broadcast 553 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.359 like it was. It did not compute, you didn't repeat 554 00:32:54.519 --> 00:33:00.720 acts of television. It was really uh. I'm glad to 555 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:02.599 hear your picking it because it's not it's not as 556 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:08.680 novel anymore, right, But you're right, there's something about it 557 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:12.559 that it's it feels like next generation in full stride. 558 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:16.920 All the characters are their peak, they're at their peak. 559 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.200 It just it looks good, it feels good. 560 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:24.720 Yeah, all the characters, and it uses all of the characters. 561 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:27.759 Another thing that we look for sometimes is how well 562 00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:30.480 are the characters all being used? You know, and I 563 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.920 think that one is one of them, and this one 564 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.039 is probably I would say Jonathan Braak's best acting. 565 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:38.720 That he's done. 566 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.319 Oh, there's no question. And you know, I was always 567 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:47.279 on the lookout to do episodes that featured characters who 568 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:50.720 needed more screen time, whether that was Riker or Jordie, 569 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:56.160 even counselor Troy. You know, these were characters that really 570 00:33:56.279 --> 00:34:00.640 not very they deserved more screen time, you know, Picard, 571 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:04.200 Data and Wharf. That was the triumph they you know, 572 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:08.800 granted they were the most popular characters, but you know, 573 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:10.639 you had some really good actress on the show. And 574 00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:15.920 Jonathan's a he's a really good actor, and it's you know, 575 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.280 I'm sure you saw stuff in his performance that I 576 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:25.320 did not see, you know, the nuances. So I'm glad 577 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.320 to hear that. You think that's his best performance, it's 578 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.719 certainly hard to imagine remember any other episode. 579 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.800 Maybe, Yeah, I just thought his performance was great. 580 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:36.360 I like that. 581 00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:42.000 Finally, he didn't save the day using sex with

somebody. 582 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:42.800 Don't knock it. 583 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.559 I mean it works for him, but you know, he actually, 584 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:50.719 you know, used his mind, So I was happy to 585 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:51.800 see that. Yeah. 586 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:57.159 All right, well, Brannan, this has been the thrill of 587 00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.280 a lifetime. We really appreciate you joining in the Like 588 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.159 I said, we're always mentioning your name very favorably. And again, 589 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.960 First Contact is my favorite Star Trek episode by a 590 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:13.400 pretty solid margin. So thank you for that, and thanks 591 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.280 so much for coming to hang out with us. I'm 592 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:16.039 talking to us about it. 593 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:20.320 When you hit another good episode. If there were any 594 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:22.599 left that I worked on. 595 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:24.639 Have you back, we'd love that. 596 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:27.800 Yeah, absolutely, maybe all good things. 597 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:31.119 Maybe you know, we don't want to wait seven months. 598 00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.079 We do these ones and we'll find something. Absolutely, and 599 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.519 we'll throw the invite your way. We really appreciate it. 600 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.960 All right, everybody stick around. We will have much more 601 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.320 coverage of this episode. We'll be right back on the 602 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.880 seventh rule. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the seventh Rule 603 00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:54.480 with sarrock lofton Yello. Here are the trivioids of the week, 604 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:56.880 Not a lot of trivioids because it was really just 605 00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.599 cut to the chase, a P no B plot. So 606 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:05.280 here they are. There is such a thing as over rehearsing. 607 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:10.119 The government on Tolona's four just collapsed, wharf cuts Riker's temple, 608 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:13.960 Commander Riker forgets his name. Riker is in Ward forty 609 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:18.480 seven of the Tolni's Institute for Mental Disorders. Spiny Lobefish 610 00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.559 is being served at the institute today and Yah Yah 611 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:26.960 likes to talk to her starship through a spoon. All right, 612 00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:29.519 So that was a. 613 00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:33.079 Great moment to the scene, right because Rikers like leaning 614 00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:34.440 in like oh, it's like. 615 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:38.800 Oh we all were twenty more. Yeah, yeah we are Riker. Okay, 616 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:41.800 she's saying this, and we all start thinking, I'm sure 617 00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:44.880 you think this. We go ah okay here, Now here's 618 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.480 the storyline. This is because we're we're as an audience 619 00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.280 where we're looking for a storyline to grab on to. 620 00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.559 Ah okay, got it. So here it is. He's going 621 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.039 to break free with her. Maybe maybe they'll fall in 622 00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.519 love and he'll hump or maybe she'll die along the way, 623 00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:02.239 but but we get, you know, here, here's where it goes. 624 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.119 And just as they're leading this way and he's leaning in, 625 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.440 he's like, okay, you're not giving too much ways like 626 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:12.159 uh huh, and then she pulls out the spoon and Rikers. 627 00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:13.599 Actually hold on a second, I'm getting a phone call. 628 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:20.880 Riker's beautiful acting right there. I had to pause it 629 00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:25.039 just to soak it up. Because when he sees her 630 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:29.800 pull out the spoon, we watch him go from like okay, 631 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:34.920 like listening into like oh okay, okay, and it's subtle, 632 00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:39.599 but we see it so well. The camera eats it up. 633 00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:44.199 He nails it, and I just thought that her acting 634 00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:49.760 was glorious. I thought that I thought that was maybe 635 00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:53.639 Jonathan Frake's best moment acting. I mean, he had way 636 00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:57.920 bigger moments, but that subtle little thing was perfect. 637 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.159 Yeah, this whole episode for me was a Jonathan Frake's 638 00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:04.519 just really laying it out there, letting us know that 639 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.000 he has chops. 640 00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:08.239 And I love. 641 00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:09.119 I love. 642 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:13.840 Also when you're watching a TV show and they're pretending 643 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.119 to be an actor, and so then you'll get a 644 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.119 line like doctor Crusher where she says, you're a great 645 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:21.559 actor while. 646 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:22.679 They're acting, you know what I mean. 647 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:28.320 So that's meta in itself, you know, just I love 648 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:32.000 the whole thing. But I thought Jonathan Frake's just time 649 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:38.199 after time, just uh like when he kept saying you 650 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:42.079 you're the key to all of this, Who are you? 651 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:42.480 Right? 652 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:46.559 Like there was moments there where You're like, I really 653 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:49.239 love the delivery there, you know, And when he. 654 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:51.639 Runs up and grabs the guy out of the out 655 00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.760 of the crowd, out of

the audience that's watching the play, 656 00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:56.440 and he kind of grabbed him by the collar, and 657 00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.920 I mean you can see he's he's losing it because 658 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.599 he doesn't know what reality is and I don't either. 659 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.400 At some point in the beginning, I'm like, bro get 660 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:08.119 it together, Riker, get it together. 661 00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:10.320 Then at some point I'm like, I'm losing it. 662 00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:14.280 I don't know where, I don't know what's really Like 663 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:16.639 I told I was saying, I was serious when I said, 664 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.880 like at the end, when we okay, that's it, it's over. 665 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:24.599 Like I did check the time how much time was 666 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:26.480 luck because I'm like, is it though? Is there gonna 667 00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:26.920 be one more? 668 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:27.039 For? 669 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:27.360 No? 670 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.199 No, no, that's got to be over. Okay, because you 671 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.320 don't know, you're like at a certain point, and Riker 672 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:39.000 probably never knows for sure either. He's tearing down those 673 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:44.599 walls almost as insurance, like to guarantee that this chapter 674 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:48.280 is over. Whatever it was. He's like, I want, you know, 675 00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.159 And as Brandon said, it would have been cool to 676 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:51.800 drag that out longer. I agree. I think it would 677 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:52.360 have been really cool. 678 00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:58.679 Yeah, you know, I wasn't so I didn't really necessarily 679 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.440 think that the other what he called them about the 680 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:06.599 guards was that bad. I did see that he did 681 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:10.480 lean a little bit on the jovial kind of you know, 682 00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:14.320 not as serious a tone or intimidating that he could 683 00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:18.800 have been. But I thought that lended to the unpredictability 684 00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.000 of like, what is this what is this guy? You 685 00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:23.519 know what I mean, because there was a moment there 686 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:29.920 I was thinking the real question is who's the bad guy? 687 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:30.920 Right? 688 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.679 I think I'm watching this thinking, Okay, who's the bad guy? 689 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:37.079 Who is that bad guy in this? 690 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:37.559 Right? 691 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.159 He was sent to that planet to do a covert mission. 692 00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:45.559 I'm thinking, Okay, he got caught, you know, doing his 693 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.239 spy work for the Federation or whatever he was

doing, 694 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:50.599 and now he's been caught and. 695 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.239 Put into this asylum place or whatever, and he's being 696 00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:56.280 mentally broken down. 697 00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:58.800 But the question is again still. 698 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:02.039 Like are all the characters bad? It seemed like the guy, 699 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.800 one of the the guardsman was trying to help him 700 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.840 to some degree. It sounded like he was like, you know, like, 701 00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:12.159 now you're you're missing it, bro, You're missing it. And 702 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:14.320 then I'm thinking, Okay, maybe he's trying to help him 703 00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:17.880 recover his memory so that he can tell him that 704 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:20.280 he's working on a mission for the Federation and whatnot 705 00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.840 a star fleet and you know, accomplished that mission. 706 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:26.079 So there's like all of these. 707 00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:27.920 Things where you're like, I don't know who to trust. 708 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.320 I don't know who the bad guy is in this, 709 00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:38.800 you know, And and then obviously which one is reality? 710 00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.480 Did you see Dennis Madalone playing one of the guards. 711 00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.320 No, I should have. I'm usually better at that, Like 712 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.079 whenever there's a fight scene, I go, is that Dennis? 713 00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:47.239 No? 714 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:50.320 I did not. I did not even think. Where was he? 715 00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:53.480 He came in with that guy right there? 716 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:55.760 Remember he said he came in with a phaser in 717 00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:57.599 his hand, and he says, you don't need that. He said, well, 718 00:41:57.639 --> 00:41:58.559 you said that last time. 719 00:41:58.639 --> 00:41:58.800 Yeah. 720 00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:02.639 Yeah, oh so that was Dennis that he got plenty 721 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:04.920 of FaceTime that other guard he did that was not 722 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.119 just like him flying through a wall like I remember. 723 00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:10.320 That other guy very clearly got a lot of screen time. 724 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:14.599 That was Dennis. Obviously he had the makeup on him stuff, 725 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:15.280 but that was him. 726 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:19.800 Yeah, huh, I totally missed him there, that's cool. 727 00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:20.679 Uh. 728 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:21.000 Yeah. 729 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:23.280 So I thought the same thing as you with about 730 00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:27.079 this main guard guy, although I did find myself saying 731 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.400 to myself like, wow, they gave that guard a lot 732 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:36.880 of lines, and that was probably me

unconsciously thinking maybe 733 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.920 they should have chosen somebody else, like to if you're 734 00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:45.079 surprised that someone got a lot of lines, maybe that's 735 00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:49.840 telling you they're talking too much, yeah, or that you know, 736 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.679 maybe you're surprised that he got a lot of lines. 737 00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:55.199 I don't know, but it sounds like Brandon maybe was 738 00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:58.199 looking for somebody a little darker, a little more sadistic, 739 00:42:58.239 --> 00:42:59.880 where I was thinking they were probably just looking for 740 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.320 somebody that dwarfs Jonathan Franks, who's six four, So they 741 00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.760 were just looking for somebody six' eight and you know 742 00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:09.400 this is what you're going to. Get but he was, 743 00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.440 saying you don't necessarily need to be super, tall just 744 00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:15.239 find the right fit for the. Role so that's you, 745 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.400 know he was probably looking for something a little, more 746 00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:20.079 a little, dark a little more, intimidating and a little 747 00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.679 less kind of creepy, smiley a. 748 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:29.440 More Gold cot type of a Gold cot type, guy you, 749 00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.280 know just somebody who has that kind of presence and. 750 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:36.039 Boost. YEAH i thought it was. 751 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.599 Hilarious so they were at the, board you, know at the, 752 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.960 Display wharf And riker we're talking about uh tylnis? 753 00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:49.639 For and they had a map of the coast line 754 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:51.559 on the, wall, right And. 755 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:55.280 Wharf, says you're going to have to go from here 756 00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:58.440 to there and it's a long, distance, Right And riker, says, 757 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.480 WOW i might need to bring in other set of. 758 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:05.360 Boots And riker looks and then they cut the warp 759 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:05.840 and he's so. 760 00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:09.079 Disgusted but, yeah why Was warf such a bully About? 761 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:15.039 Wharf was just, Like, oh you're a freaking. Idiot what's your? Relax, 762 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.880 really it's, like what DID i bring some? Boots, hey 763 00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:20.679 it's not that big of a. 764 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:23.360 Deal wor why did that offend so? 765 00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:27.440 HARD i didn't get it offended a warrior does not 766 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.119 bring a second pair of boots on a. Mission he 767 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:33.199 where's his boots or? Barefoot and that's. 768 00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:33.360 That. 769 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.960 Yeah he

was, like he really gave him the sour, 770 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:40.079 face And i'm, like what what's your? 771 00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:40.559 Problem? 772 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:44.199 Wharf like he really looked over uh and then and 773 00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.079 then uh uh. 774 00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:49.280 Hu riker goes on and he, says, uh you, Know 775 00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.480 wharf says to, him we even coded a communicator inside 776 00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.239 of this. Pendant, right it was a necklace that he 777 00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:58.800 had a communicator. In And riker's line, was what is 778 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:00.519 This this pending doesn't even match to? 779 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:01.519 Outfit, Right. 780 00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:06.840 He's doing like a wardrobe check, thing like a style, 781 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.639 thing WHICH i totally get as a you, know a 782 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:16.239 fashion a fashionista. Musa but you, know and then Again 783 00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:21.320 wharf gives him this look of like just like total, 784 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.000 disgust and it's, like you, know you're, thinking it's almost 785 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:26.880 as if the ranking is the other way. 786 00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:29.840 Around Total, riker you know WHAT i, mean the way 787 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:33.280 he's looking at. Him SO i thought that was. FUNNY 788 00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:35.119 i was, like what got Into? Wharf is he so? 789 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.679 Grumpet he needs some prune? 790 00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:41.880 Juice? Man we all know how How warf. Is, uh 791 00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:47.159 what did you think of what do you think Of 792 00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:52.639 gates McFadden in her, role because it's always interesting that 793 00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.039 Star trek writers and just writers in, general they find 794 00:45:56.079 --> 00:46:00.519 out what their actors already. Do, Okay Jonathan frake's plays The, tuba, 795 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:05.679 cool let's write that In you, Know picard likes to 796 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:07.360 go To. RIISA i don't know if he really doesn't 797 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.360 real Life Patrick stewart that doesn't, exist but you know 798 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:14.280 WHAT i, Mean like they find. Something Beverly crusher And 799 00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.400 data played By Brenton. Gates they both do tap, dance 800 00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:20.320 so they did that tap dance scene in that, episode 801 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:26.480 and she Is she was also an acting coach or 802 00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:29.000 an acting teacher for a, while SO i don't know 803 00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:32.480 if that preceded this, episode but it made me think 804 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:34.519 of that where they're just kind of like they kind 805 00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:38.960 of just hone into something that the actor is already 806 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:42.199 good at or already passionate, at and it seemed like 807 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:42.719 a really good. 808 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:48.519 FIT i just Like gates' performance in. General she's always 809 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:54.880 just you, know authentic for. Me she seems like she 810 00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.800 has a high level of, compassion which makes her great 811 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:04.239 for being a doctor and caring for. Patients, YEAH i 812 00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:08.199 love her presence on the ship because one THING i 813 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:12.880 always notice about her is that she's overly considerate about 814 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.199 other people's emotions and. Feelings she's almost like she's the 815 00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.840 Counselor troy who can read your emotions or you, know 816 00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:25.000 sense your, feelings BECAUSE i always see how she looks at, 817 00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:26.920 people like the way she looks at the, cart like 818 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:31.360 she knows when something's bothering. Him you, Know she's very 819 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.440 intuitive like, that AND. 820 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:35.639 I like that about her. 821 00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.159 Character, YEAH. 822 00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:41.440 I REALIZE i think she'd be my she'd be my 823 00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:44.119 number one pick IF i had to have a doctor 824 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:48.400 care oh in her DOCTOR i think she's my number one. 825 00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:51.760 PICK i like her style the, most. 826 00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:53.239 Her, demeanor, absolutely her. 827 00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:54.599 Demeanor, YEAH i think. 828 00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:57.119 She's out of all the, DOCTORS i would pick, her 829 00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:59.519 including McCoy at almost what. 830 00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:03.719 Even, well she is an excellent. Dancer uh, well speaking 831 00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:09.599 Of i'm not sure he's gonna brand you or. Something 832 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:12.159 he's gonna like. It he's gonna what's the word when 833 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:17.679 they burn a cut to close it? Up somebody in 834 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:19.719 the live chat or in the comments, below what's it? 835 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:24.360 CALLED i think it starts with A c. Something, anyway 836 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:29.119 it's time for the home run of today's. Episode So Rock, 837 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:37.280 lofton who gets the home run of today's Episode hot, 838 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.719 CAUTERIZED i think words, sorry, Good. 839 00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.159 YEAH i would say, that you, know this is a 840 00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:51.559 difficult one for. ME i cannot not give to home. 841 00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:55.800 Runs i'm gonna give the acting home run to To 842 00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:59.119 Jonathan freakes BECAUSE i just feel like on screen his 843 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:01.599 performance was too good for me not to give

him 844 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:01.840 a home. 845 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.159 Run it was just as good as it. 846 00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:08.000 GETS i also think That Running braga deserves a home run, 847 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.320 because LIKE i said, before she's the only writer on this, 848 00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:17.639 episode so this is his. IDEA i got Total Twilight 849 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:23.840 zone vibes watching this. Episode there's an episode where a 850 00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:27.000 woman wakes up and she's a beautiful, woman but she 851 00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:29.840 wakes up and she's horrified by her, look and it's 852 00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:30.679 that Pig snout. 853 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.639 Episode, yes and this had that same feel of terror and. 854 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:38.400 Not fitting. 855 00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.199 In there's a lot of things that were. Similar not 856 00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:46.159 that it's a copy of that, episode but that standard 857 00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:51.559 of high Quality Twilight zone science fiction STORYTELLING i thought 858 00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:55.920 was encapsulated as well as excellently in this. One So 859 00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:59.280 Brandon braga gets the other home. Run it's A Jonathan 860 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:02.079 Fraakes brandon to run home run. 861 00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:05.800 Special, Yeah i'm with you all the way on. 862 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.519 THAT i, MEAN i feel Like frakes deserves a lot of. 863 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:13.440 Kudos so Does JAMES. L, conway who's an amazing, director 864 00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:16.199 but he gets. It you, know he definitely understood this 865 00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:19.320 episode and knew what to do with camera angles and 866 00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:22.679 and where to take certain shots and it was really. Good, 867 00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:29.559 However frakes was given a good episode to. Perform you, 868 00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:33.000 know everyone saw a writer will give an actor, this 869 00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:36.239 this is my gift to, you you, know like Like 870 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.519 Patrick stewart was given The Inner, light like this is 871 00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:43.519 my gift to. You SO i think that's what this. 872 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:47.280 Was And frank's is. INCREDIBLE i Think Brandon braga gets 873 00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:49.760 the home run of today's. Episode in my, opinion he 874 00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:52.400 knocks it out of the. Park and here are some 875 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:56.840 other people who Like. Parks their names are Doctor, Anne Marie, 876 00:50:56.920 --> 00:51:00.960 Seagull Eve england out In, wales Even Black, Men TOM. T. J, Jackson, Bouta, 877 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:05.880 Missouri Titus, mueller Doctor Mohammad nora and Neil O, Palatte Joe, 878 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:10.800 Balsaradi Mike, gou Doctor Stephanie, Baker Carrie, Schwent Faith, howell 879 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:15.960 The Matt, Boardman chris, McGhee Jake, Barrett Henry, Hunger allison Leech, 880 00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:21.039 Hide julie Menas, Fi Jed, thompson Doctor SUSAN. V, Gruner Glenn, 881 00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:27.559 Iverson Dave, Gregory Chris, Sternet greg K, Wickstrom CASSANDRA. G Chuck, 882 00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:32.400 A Chris, Garris Linda, page and of Course jason m. 883 00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:37.199 Oakin all, right, Everybody it's like thorn oakinshield of The. 884 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:41.199 Hobbit stick around. Everybody we we'll be right back with 885 00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:46.480 the free for all on the seventh. Rule, hey, everybody 886 00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:48.840 welcome back to the seventh roll With Sarak. Lofton this 887 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:53.039 is the free for. All we got a full, House yeah, 888 00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:59.480 Right asus S, Bades Melissa. ALONGO i can't come up 889 00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:01.079 with a card for, everybody so we'll just move on 890 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:06.760 with that. Analogy jason m Oak and is here as, Well, hi. 891 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:12.840 Everybody CHUCK a is THE tnng. Fanatic. Hey Doctor SUSAN. 892 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.000 V gruner likes to play go fish. 893 00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:17.559 Uh. T. 894 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:20.079 J Jackson bay is A Texas holden kind of. Guy 895 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:23.800 alison Leech hide is in a. 896 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:25.280 S U v that's. 897 00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:34.679 Warm Mark zuttcoff doesn't play cards, too Oh, Man Doctor 898 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:38.039 Anne marie seagull is here in a very white place 899 00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:46.639 Than Chris garrison has his isolinear chip. Shirt, Hello Carrie 900 00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:51.800 schwent can bounce off the walls without getting. Injured chris 901 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:57.159 is the Dark, lord and The Matt boardman is ready to. 902 00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:04.159 Rock all, right so rock. Lofton Jake cisco guesses THE imbb. Score, 903 00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:08.119 ah your, Hat, SORRY i just say your. 904 00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:08.760 Hat it's. 905 00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:11.000 GREAT i. 906 00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:13.039 Like, UH. 907 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.599 I like, UH i like this. Episode i'm gonna give 908 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:19.320 it WHAT i want to, give And i'm gonna actually 909 00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:20.000 say this is A. 910 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:22.400 Nye oh. 911 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:23.880 All? 912 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.519 Right does anybody have any guesses as to what this 913 00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:31.440 is ON IMDb that doesn't already? 914 00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:33.800 Know six point? 915 00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:40.760 One we're all over the place. 916 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.440 That wouldn't hurt that was below the? Belt talk about. 917 00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:48.480 Which? 918 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:50.599 One any other? 919 00:53:50.639

--> 00:53:53.960 Guests SO i heard six one seven, five seven to. 920 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:54.320 One. 921 00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:57.679 Seven, Eight. 922 00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:03.519 I'll go seven to. Five i'm in a seven five 923 00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:04.000 frame of. 924 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:05.840 Mind, okay. 925 00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:11.239 All, right the answer Is melissa correct me If i'm, 926 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:21.239 Wrong BUT i believe it's an eight point one. Excellence all? 927 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:24.559 Right oh did we GET i didn't catch any non appearance? 928 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:32.280 Mentions did? You? Nope what about Dark? LORD i don't 929 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:34.119 think there are any, uh some kinds of or some 930 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:38.039 sorts of are? There we got to what. 931 00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:42.400 Doctor prusher when she was undercover and speaking To riker 932 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.159 in that common, area, said we're beginning to think there's 933 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:49.440 some kind of a conspiracy going on right right towards the, 934 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.039 end As riker is explaining how he was, abducted, SAYS 935 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:54.960 i managed to get off of one of how many 936 00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:56.760 to get one of them off? Me BUT i think 937 00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:57.440 they injected me. 938 00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:58.119 With some sort of. 939 00:54:58.239 --> 00:54:58.519 Drug? 940 00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:04.000 Excellent those are? Good all, Right MALISSA a. Longa will 941 00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:05.360 you please get a start off on the right. 942 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.280 TRACK i have a, Question, yes the admiral that they 943 00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:12.159 mentioned in this, episode is that an admiral that we 944 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:13.239 ended up seeing at any? 945 00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:14.000 Point good? 946 00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:16.880 QUESTION i don't think, so, Right i've never heard that. 947 00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:21.079 Admiral there was somebody who dreamed yeah Boo, drew is 948 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:24.840 that what it? WAS i don't think, so, now, okay, 949 00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:28.639 okay so otherwise that would have Been, yeah you mean 950 00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:34.079 have been To chica? Forrock, Yeah. 951 00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:40.280 I've been noticing a lot that in every actor's eye 952 00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:45.719 there's a white reflection a, Square so that's obviously some 953 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:46.440 what is that. 954 00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:48.199 That's the? 955 00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:49.800 Lighting some kind of? 956 00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:50.119 Stage? 957 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah they used a square light with a 958 00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:55.199 softener on. 959 00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:58.360 It you know the fact THAT i have one right. 960 00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:00.800 HERE i don't know IF ye can

see it in his. 961 00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:07.000 Eyes it's a Big it's not gonna show, up but, 962 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:09.480 yeah it's a. Big it's a it's a box light 963 00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:11.400 with a with a diffuser. 964 00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:11.559 On the front of. 965 00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:16.320 It, Yes so they do use those absolutely all the. 966 00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:17.960 Time and every shot. 967 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.639 There's gonna be one pointed at you in some direction 968 00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:26.840 or especially on close, ups you're gonna get the dead. 969 00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:31.639 Lighting, nowadays everybody sees a circle in their eyes or 970 00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:33.320 on their glasses because of all the ring. 971 00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:37.920 Lights you're so, square, BABY i don't. 972 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:44.880 Care ah, UH i WISH i got that all, Right? 973 00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:48.320 Melissa what do you got for us? Today what DO 974 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:49.199 i got through this? 975 00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:49.719 Today? 976 00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:58.840 Boy this was a Trippy episode's, trippy AND i understand 977 00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:05.679 Why rock likes this episode because It's Twilight zone. STUFF i, mean, 978 00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:12.960 yes right, up, yeah so very. Trippy Jonathan frake's for 979 00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:20.320 delivers some good performances in, this AND i always love 980 00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:27.760 Seeing riiker And troy's, relationship even even when it's just survice. 981 00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:30.639 Level BUT i love the scene in the bar when 982 00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:34.840 they're talking to each other AND i love the connection 983 00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:40.599 that they share and it draws me in every single. 984 00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:46.000 Time AND i love that she's his emotional center in a, 985 00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:53.760 way and that's what the episode. Mentioned, yeah there was 986 00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:56.239 a lot of twists and turns in this. EPISODE i 987 00:57:56.280 --> 00:58:00.639 think the opening scene was really, good AND i liked 988 00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:05.719 the way When riker is going over his lines down 989 00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:09.480 the corridor that the person passing him is going, like 990 00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:13.920 because if you're an, actor. 991 00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:16.039 You know those. 992 00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:19.719 Things these kind of things. Happen because if you're going 993 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.800 over your, lines no wherever where you are in your 994 00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:26.920 car or somewhere you're you're going over a dance step, 995 00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.840 somewhere you're gonna get those looks like are they crazy or. 996 00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:37.480 What but, so, yeah there was some a lot of 997 00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:39.800 interesting stuff in. This oh it was great to See 998 00:58:39.880

--> 00:58:46.000 Susannah thompson in this before she was Jen Zia daxa's other. 999 00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:47.679 You, know. 1000 00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:56.599 Partner AND i do have a nitpick THAT i will 1001 00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:59.400 say for things left and. Said but if you're not a, 1002 00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:04.039 patron tune in to become a patron so you can 1003 00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:05.360 tune into things left and. 1004 00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:10.800 Said Good Susannah thompson, Knowledge thank you very, Much Melissa, 1005 00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:15.360 Longo JASON. M, oaken this is the kind of episode 1006 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.199 that seems like it's right up your alley with some fun. 1007 00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.000 Directing what'd you, Think, oh. 1008 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.440 That absolutely Is AND i think not just because he 1009 00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:25.360 Had brandon on earlier in the, show BUT i think 1010 00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:28.119 it probably is sound of his best work On Next. 1011 00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:28.519 Gen for. 1012 00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:32.800 Sure the episode kind of moves, along it's you don't 1013 00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:35.239 quite know what's going on until the very. End AND 1014 00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:38.440 i think certainly when it comes To, freaks it's his 1015 00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:42.679 maybe his best performance of the series and probably until 1016 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:43.719 season three of The. 1017 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:45.599 Card he just carries the. 1018 00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:48.360 Show he's in every scene and you can see the 1019 00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:50.480 subtlety in the. Performance And i'll talk about some of 1020 00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:54.480 the details later BECAUSE i think it benefits from repeat 1021 00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:56.920 viewings and actually looking at the script just to see 1022 00:59:56.960 --> 01:00:01.320 how nuance that performance really. Was And, brian as you, 1023 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:03.679 said in terms of, DIRECTING i Think Jim Jim conway 1024 01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:06.320 did a wonderful. JOB i, think you, know bringing in 1025 01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:08.679 somebody with lots of, experience somebody who would do this 1026 01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:11.920 very very. Well, again there were some instances there that 1027 01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:16.239 actually make accentuate the creepiness of the. SITUATION i, MEAN 1028 01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:18.679 i know that all of this, HAPPENS i guess In 1029 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:22.800 riker's mind for the entire. Episode but the, details the 1030 01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:27.239 little things like some camera, angles some wide, angles especially 1031 01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:30.760 even on a close, up that you get sort of 1032 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:35.639 this creepy feeling going. THROUGHOUT i think it was a wonderful. 1033 01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:37.840 SHOW i personally enjoyed, it AND i THINK i enjoyed 1034 01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:39.480 it more as time goes, on just because of how 1035 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:42.360 different this episode. Is you do have some science fiction, 1036 01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:46.920 concepts you do have a little bit of. Action you 1037 01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:51.119 get some danger there going face first into the, wall 1038 01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:54.440 which is always. Great, again there's a lot more to, 1039 01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:55.280 say And i'll say it for. 1040 01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:57.559 Later great. 1041 01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:02.039 Stuff thank you very. Much as m oakin who loves this, 1042 01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:05.079 Episode CHUCK a is A tg. Fanatic cool shirt, man 1043 01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:05.719 what'd you think of this? 1044 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:13.000 One, YEAH i really liked this. Episode it's much better 1045 01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:15.199 THAN i remember the last TIME i had seen. IT 1046 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:18.079 i was impressed And i'm going to agree With. Jason 1047 01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:23.960 jonathan was insanely great in this. EPISODE i thought he 1048 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:27.400 he since he was in almost every. Scene he was 1049 01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:33.719 really really. Good And Susannah thompson Also melissa said she 1050 01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.119 was in THE ds, nine but she later appeared In 1051 01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:40.039 voyager for a couple. EPISODES i won't say the. CHARACTER 1052 01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:46.400 i thought the scene With, beverly the couple scenes With 1053 01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:50.719 beverly were at the, play and also the scene where 1054 01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:56.159 she was tried to get him out of the situation 1055 01:01:56.360 --> 01:02:00.880 he was in on the in the asylum. There the episode, 1056 01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:04.960 ITSELF i thought was very fast. PACED i was watching, 1057 01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:07.639 IT i, SAID i can't believe it's almost. Over it 1058 01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:13.360 was just, CONSTANT i would say, action but a lot 1059 01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:15.880 of good scenes in the. EPISODE i really liked the, 1060 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:18.639 episode LIKE i, said more THAN i had remember. It 1061 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:22.000 But jonathan was really was really so good at this. 1062 01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:26.280 Episode great. 1063 01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:29.760 Sentiments thank you very, Much CHUCK a AKA t AND 1064 01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:33.960 g fanatic Doctor SUSAN. V. Gruner that's her, name even 1065 01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:35.880 though she left out the doctor and THE v on 1066 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:40.960 her zoom thing. Here what'd you think of this? One, WELL. 1067 01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:45.039 I will start out by saying that WHEN i started watching, 1068 01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:49.840 IT i, Wrote Jonathan freakes a plus. Acting then there's 1069 01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:52.639 a couple of spaces AND i wrote,

creepy, creepy, CREEPY 1070 01:02:52.800 --> 01:03:02.760 i hate, This and THEN i wrote the frereschooler nine times. 1071 01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:08.280 Expuzzled he stabbed the, guy AND i did not Like 1072 01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:12.360 troy's red. LIPSTICK i just tried so hard to say 1073 01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:16.079 something positive about this. EPISODE i just didn't like it 1074 01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:18.400 was boring for, me. 1075 01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.840 And that's ALL i have to. Say OH i noticed lipstick. 1076 01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:26.519 TOO i was, like is this that part of the 1077 01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:31.239 nineties where we had that situation? There but MAYBE i don't, 1078 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.119 know all, RIGHT i felt like it. 1079 01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:39.480 Was a filler, episode the same background and scenes and. 1080 01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:42.840 NOTHING i didn't like. 1081 01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:44.639 It, well we're sorry you had to go through it. 1082 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:52.480 Too thank you for for powering through for. Us thanks very. 1083 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:55.880 Much T. J. Jackson bay is In, missouri but it 1084 01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:57.920 looks like he's got a Cool chicago background if my 1085 01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:00.559 eyes remember that. Correctly what'd you think of this? 1086 01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:03.440 One? Yeah, well. 1087 01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:08.719 This episode has been one that it's always Tripped hold 1088 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:11.199 on for a, Second i'm gonna call yes. 1089 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:13.880 Enterprise oh you. 1090 01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:14.440 Can't even see. 1091 01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:27.000 That but, yeah this this episode is, always uh really 1092 01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:29.760 tripped me, up And i've always liked it for that. 1093 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:31.599 REASON i never could figure. 1094 01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:32.719 Out what was. 1095 01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:36.159 It this is the Closest i've gotten to really figuring 1096 01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:41.280 out where parts were real and where parts. Weren't and 1097 01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:43.119 it's still a big question. 1098 01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:43.480 Mark. 1099 01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:46.400 YEAH i, know you, know most of it happens In riker's, 1100 01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:49.800 head but some of it's fool from. Reality so AND i, 1101 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:52.239 think and in my, MIND i like to think some 1102 01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:56.599 of the scenes are things That riker actually. Experience but 1103 01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:01.159 it is really trippy and it's messes with me every 1104 01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:03.400 TIME i watch. It it messed with me this time 1105 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:09.760 AND i watched it and it's so. Good Jonathan frakes 1106 01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:14.039 really really really sells. IT i Think sue mentioned, That, 1107 01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:17.199 YEAH i think this episode, was you, know on a. 1108 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:22.199 Budget there aren't a lot of, sets and you, know 1109 01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:25.679 most of the, scenes you, know are in that one. 1110 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:28.639 Space get some ship scenes, too but they're, all you, know, 1111 01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:31.880 again sets that already. EXIST i think all they built 1112 01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.639 for this one is the is the cell and maybe 1113 01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:39.000 they redecorated some of the existing sets for the, HALLWAYS i. 1114 01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:43.920 Believe but So freaks sells. 1115 01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:44.719 It he sells. 1116 01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:45.199 It it's so. 1117 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:48.880 Good it's one of my favorite episodes that wasn't true 1118 01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:53.440 before what it is. NOW i love watching this, episode 1119 01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:55.719 BUT i have to be ready for it to watch, 1120 01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:57.599 it BECAUSE i know that it's gonna mess with my 1121 01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.559 head and that's the fun of. It and again that 1122 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:05.440 wouldn't it just would not work without the performance That jonathan. 1123 01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:06.280 Breaks but then. 1124 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:15.159 One THING i Think melissa kind of mentioned the conversation 1125 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:18.119 That Will indiana had in the, bar and the thing 1126 01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:23.960 that really caught my Eye melissa was when he gives 1127 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:25.960 her the little peck on the cheek and walks. Away 1128 01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:30.400 she has this smirk on her face that, just you, 1129 01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:33.719 know like she's so. Giddy it made me feel giddy 1130 01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:38.639 just watching. It so, YES i enjoyed that scene as. 1131 01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:43.920 WELL i thought it was super funny that after he 1132 01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:48.079 finally gets, out AND i got some a few nitpicks 1133 01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:51.480 on that, episode but not a whole, lot but they're 1134 01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:54.840 just kind of funny. Nitpicks but we'll talk about that. 1135 01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:59.159 Later but you, know when he finally gets, out he's, 1136 01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:01.639 LIKE i gotta tear this setting. DOWN i can't sleep 1137 01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:06.280 knowing that this thing is still. UP i really really 1138 01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:10.039 enjoyed his reaction and his recovery from all that he 1139 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:12.440 had been, through and he's like that this thing has 1140 01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:12.719 got to. 1141 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:13.519 Go it's got to. 1142 01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:19.480 Go i'm, interested THOUGH i don't know that we got 1143 01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:23.920 to see, it BUT i kind of want to try 1144 01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:26.920 some spiny little, fish don't you? 1145 01:07:30.280

--> 01:07:30.800 You first? 1146 01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:35.239 Man thanks very. 1147 01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:35.480 MUCH. 1148 01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:39.760 Tj jackson Bay out In. Missouri allison Leech hide is 1149 01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:42.760 on her way back To New. Mexico what do you 1150 01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:43.119 think of this? 1151 01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:43.400 One? 1152 01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:49.159 SO i think it is wonderfully, acted very well, directed 1153 01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:52.960 and is a fascinating story and a good. WATCH i 1154 01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:57.440 do not like this, episode SO i do not like 1155 01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:05.360 when our beloved care have their slighting and all of. 1156 01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:08.480 That it makes me really. Anxious SO i have never 1157 01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:12.360 liked this episode since the kid. Through now you, Know 1158 01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:15.360 i'm old enough now THAT i can. GO i think 1159 01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:17.800 it is a good. EPISODE i don't like, it and 1160 01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.720 that can be two totally different. Things so that's Where 1161 01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:23.960 i'm at with this. Episode WHAT i love about this episode, 1162 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:26.119 though is of course the relationship that we get to 1163 01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:28.640 see With riker And troy And. 1164 01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:31.119 Beverly like the ladies. 1165 01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:33.520 Had a lot to do in this, episode WHICH i really. 1166 01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:36.520 APPRECIATED i also really. 1167 01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:41.319 Liked when we Had troy Uh wharf And vimpicard as 1168 01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:47.720 like being like cornerstones Of rikers like emotional and mental, 1169 01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:50.640 states and those are the characters or people in his 1170 01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:52.960 life that he. PICKED i thought that was really interesting 1171 01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:56.680 AND i really liked that because that show gives, us you, 1172 01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:59.600 know another little insight Into riker which we don't usually. 1173 01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:02.520 Get that doesn't involve The lady of the, week SO 1174 01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:06.439 i like. This we learned About, riker Who riker. 1175 01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:07.840 Is so enjoyed that a. 1176 01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:10.079 Lot and what? 1177 01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:14.680 Else, OH i Love beverly's outfit when she's in the 1178 01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:18.840 er sage green. Outfit love that and as somebody who 1179 01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:24.680 is directed friends, BEFORE i too was sitting there mouthing 1180 01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:26.560 all the lines AND i had to hide in the 1181 01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:28.880 light booth because OTHERWISE i was going to drive people. 1182 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:32.000 Crazy so love That beverly did that, too BECAUSE i 1183 01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:34.880 can truly understand. That all, right my phone battery might, 1184 01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:38.520 die So i'm going to go or at least pass 1185 01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:41.920 off to somebody. Else but, yeah not my favorite, EPISODE 1186 01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:44.319 i have to, say BUT i think it is very well. 1187 01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:48.159 Done, Beautiful thank you so. Much Alison leech hied on 1188 01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:52.039 her way back To New. Mexico Mark zutkoff's phone is 1189 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:54.960 never below fifty on the. Battery what do you think 1190 01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:55.119 of this? 1191 01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:59.239 ONE i wouldn't consider this episode a, favorite and it 1192 01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:02.319 is difficult to, watch but it never ceases to hold 1193 01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:05.319 one's interest and it's a tour de force For Jonathan 1194 01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:08.359 frakes As Will. Riker this was the third episode this 1195 01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:11.640 season With wharf appearing all in, black acting a bit 1196 01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:14.359 like a. Ninja After chain Of Command part one And 1197 01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:18.039 Birthright part, One beverly assuming the role of play director 1198 01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:21.479 and acting coach again loved. It liked even with the, 1199 01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:25.039 holideck they used real sets for the. Play loved the 1200 01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:27.840 effects of the late scenes where people in settings would 1201 01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:31.600 shatter into. Fragments very. Effective too bad there are no 1202 01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:35.920 regular vulcans in the. Cast when the reflection therapy Projected enterprise, 1203 01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:40.199 Crew picard had to stand in for the logical thinking one, 1204 01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:44.359 guest Doctor, salar was. Elsewhere nice number forty seven Watch 1205 01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:49.319 ward forty. Seven lots of, allusions not, illusions though there 1206 01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:52.840 were plenty of those to other episodes and. Shows riker 1207 01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:55.720 on an examination table is a callback to schisms this. 1208 01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:59.399 Season being injured in an analien culture is like the 1209 01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:02.880 fourth season an Episode First, contact but without the facial 1210 01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:06.439 and hand, appliances which should have given something away To 1211 01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:09.680 riker when he didn't look like the. Inhabitants the back 1212 01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:12.560 and forth between The, enterprise the play and The Insane 1213 01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:16.000 asylum might have been the inspiration for a classic episode 1214 01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:19.800 Of Buffy buffy The Vampire Slayer Normal, again Where buffy 1215 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:22.079 was in a, hospital thinking her life as a slayer 1216 01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:25.359 was not, real and when the

supposed officer from The 1217 01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:28.880 yorktown pulls out the communicator, spoon ALL i could think 1218 01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:32.760 of was there is no spoon from the matrix and 1219 01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:36.720 my home pun of the, episode you would think the hospital, 1220 01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:41.039 administrator Doctor suna would have to Release Riker souna or. 1221 01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:48.840 Latera great, stuff thanks very, Much Mark zutkoff and a 1222 01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:53.159 doctor Salar nam From. Mark all, right Doctor Anne Maurice 1223 01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:54.840 siegal is, here what do you think of this? 1224 01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:59.880 One, well first of, ALL i have my favorite holiday buggaball, 1225 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:01.439 time which. 1226 01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:04.800 Yeah christmas log and it's. 1227 01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:06.479 So cute and the inside is, red. 1228 01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:08.800 You. 1229 01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:10.960 KNOW i gifted that to like everybody the year it came. 1230 01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:12.199 Out and THEN i have my Sci Fi. 1231 01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:17.439 SISTERS i can't see myself my sister For Sabrina wood. 1232 01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:19.720 T shirt that goes to. 1233 01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:22.960 Make sure to check out Sci Fi sisters for. 1234 01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:23.399 That it's. 1235 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.479 Amazing but, YEAH i love this. Episode it's so, trippy 1236 01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:29.119 like everybody else has. Said but one thing THAT i 1237 01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:31.479 always want to know more about is this intimate theater 1238 01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:33.920 space they have on the enterrise and like who gets 1239 01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:36.920 to go because it's all like the top level, commanders 1240 01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:37.600 like is there a? 1241 01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:38.319 Lottery just? 1242 01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:43.079 Signing who gets? Tickets everything about. It it's so weird and, 1243 01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:45.680 kirky and that's WHY i LOVE, Tng. 1244 01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:47.399 Like these kind of little. 1245 01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:50.479 Details you watch you're, like, huh what is? 1246 01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:51.960 That so, yeah. 1247 01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:55.880 That's that's basically ALL i have to, say because it's 1248 01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:58.520 obviously an incredible episode AND i voted ten out of 1249 01:12:58.560 --> 01:12:59.960 ten ON imdp last week. 1250 01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:01.479 That. 1251 01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:06.720 Tracks thank you very, much doctor And marie segall out 1252 01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:11.199 in the. Snow Chris, garris what's? Up you had a birthday? 1253 01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:12.720 Recently but what did you think of this? 1254 01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:16.600 Episode it's not you, know kind of like What alison, 1255 01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.239 Said it's not my you, know, favorite but not my you, 1256 01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:23.479 know BUT i don't not my least favorite, Either BUT 1257 01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:27.000 i will say it does Give riker or you, Know Jonathan, 1258 01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:29.880 fraakes you, know a good way of just you, know 1259 01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:32.720 really stretching his his acting chops. THERE i, mean he 1260 01:13:33.159 --> 01:13:35.720 you look at this. PICTURE i hear that one right. 1261 01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:38.960 THERE i mean you see the craziness in his. Eyes you, 1262 01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:42.399 know he really does a good JOB i felt of 1263 01:13:43.239 --> 01:13:46.119 portraying you, know like you, know what if is he 1264 01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:48.520 is he in his right mind or, not you, know 1265 01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:51.680 and SO i have to give him props for. That 1266 01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:55.159 and ALSO i do like how you, know when they 1267 01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:57.359 were doing that that one, treatment and he know he 1268 01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:00.600 brought In troy, is you, know because that's his basically 1269 01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:02.399 his rock and you, know even though he may not 1270 01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:05.680 like to admit, it sometimes she really is his his. Foundation, 1271 01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:10.880 NOW i was, surprised you, know as what some people, 1272 01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:13.560 says like you're trying to go from the reality and 1273 01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:18.640 the not and so it was hard knowing this having 1274 01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:22.439 seen this episode. Before it was hard to not well 1275 01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:25.439 that's that's that's part of the. Illusion and so IF 1276 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:28.000 i hadn't seen, that but was, like you, know when 1277 01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:30.560 they when he kissed, HER i was, like that seems 1278 01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:33.000 a little. WEET i hate to say, weird but it 1279 01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:36.359 just it seemed a little out of the norm because 1280 01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:38.640 at this point we don't know they're not in a 1281 01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:41.960 relationship that we're aware, of so it just, felt you, 1282 01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:44.640 know it felt a little. Odd so IF i hadn't seen, 1283 01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:46.279 IT i would have, thought, WELL i would have thought 1284 01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:49.800 this is maybe this is. Real BUT i know that 1285 01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:53.079 was part of what was going on in this the 1286 01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:56.600 asylum for. Him but, YEAH i, mean it's not a 1287 01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:59.319 it's not a bad. EPISODE i definitely have no problems 1288 01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:01.600 with watching. IT i have a few little nippicks Which 1289 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:04.399 i'll leave those for things left and, said so we 1290 01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:05.960 have to come over and become A patreon if you 1291 01:15:05.960 -->

01:15:06.720 want to see that in. 1292 01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:11.359 Here great. Stuff thank you very, Much Chris garrett's good. 1293 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:15.159 Plug all, Right Carrie schwentt is the Crafty. Bear you 1294 01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:17.000 always got a cool. Background what'd you think of this? 1295 01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:22.520 One, YEAH i, love love love this. One it's definitely 1296 01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:25.039 going going in my in my top. TEN i love 1297 01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:28.800 how dark and dark and, twisty twisty it. Is jonathan 1298 01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:32.119 definitely knocks it out of the. Park this style is 1299 01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:35.199 kind of my favorite subcategory of horror. Movies the ONCE 1300 01:15:35.239 --> 01:15:38.279 i really just mess with your, head like Get, out 1301 01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:41.399 you have a hard time figuring out what's going on 1302 01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:43.560 in that, movie and until like two thirds of the 1303 01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:46.760 way through through that one, Too and Like, mark it 1304 01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:49.800 immediately reminded me of That buffet of The Van Parry 1305 01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:52.359 slayer episode that is one of my favorites of that 1306 01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:55.800 of that series, Too and unlike this, episode that one 1307 01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:59.159 leaves you with just this, weird unsettling feeling because it 1308 01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:00.039 doesn't really. 1309 01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:04.319 Say definitively one way or the, other which one is. 1310 01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:08.720 Real AND i love that about about that episode and in. 1311 01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:11.439 My in my, RESEARCH i found this it's impressive as 1312 01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:14.600 hell that this episode came together in three days just 1313 01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:17.239 based off of, random. 1314 01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:18.399 Straight straight thought from. 1315 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:20.359 ME i think it was Of brandon brag of what 1316 01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:23.239 If riker wakes up in a mental asylum and has 1317 01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:24.159 no idea how. 1318 01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:24.800 How he got. 1319 01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:28.199 THERE i love that it came together very very well 1320 01:16:29.239 --> 01:16:32.680 and something something THAT i noticed and the next time 1321 01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:37.239 anyone rewatches, it you never see any exterior shots of 1322 01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:40.279 of the of The enterprise Until riker wakes up to, 1323 01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:42.640 reality and then the next. 1324 01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:46.239 Scene you see is an outside shot with with the captain's. 1325 01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:50.199 Log it. Is it does a, similar, similar similar thing in. 1326 01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:53.279 THAT i remember from in In ship in a bottle 1327 01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:57.359 that you're not in into you don't know you're in 1328 01:16:57.439 --> 01:16:59.479 the real world until you see the outside of the. 1329 01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:01.640 Ship so all of the halo deck within a hol of. 1330 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:04.960 Deck you don't see any out exterior shots in that 1331 01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:09.840 episode either until near the. END a couple a couple 1332 01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:13.079 of things about the couple couple of quick guest guest star. 1333 01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:16.319 Things there are two actors in this episode that have 1334 01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:18.479 been not on the same, one but have been On 1335 01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:22.680 Doctor Quinn. Medicine Woman Susannah THOMPSON i mentioned before in 1336 01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:25.760 the OTHER tng episode that that she was, in but 1337 01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:31.319 the the Administrator Sona got played By Andrew, prine WHO 1338 01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:33.560 i found out is the cousin of one of my 1339 01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:36.399 husband's favorite, Artists John. 1340 01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:39.680 Prime he thought was he thought was. 1341 01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:43.039 AWESOME i don't enjoy him as much as the hobby, 1342 01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:45.079 does but he's, very very, cool AND i love. 1343 01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:49.399 IT i love that they're they're. Related and most of 1344 01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:50.359 us have slept since. 1345 01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:55.560 Then BUT i recognized Doctor cyrus from Playing whalen in 1346 01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:58.520 the season one Episode That Bad, goodbye and WHEN i 1347 01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:00.479 watched it the second, TIME i COULD i. COULD i 1348 01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:03.680 could really hear it here in the. Voice he's got 1349 01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:06.079 such such a neat. Voice and thankfully there's a much 1350 01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:09.039 better fate in this episode Than whalen did In The 1351 01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:09.840 bay and The Bay. 1352 01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:12.920 Goodbye i've got a couple of quick. 1353 01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:15.000 Things That i'll savor things left and said if there 1354 01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:17.760 ends up being time for it in. There but to 1355 01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:22.239 introduce the the, Limerick i'm going to steal a page 1356 01:18:22.399 --> 01:18:24.680 a page From TJ's book AND i think my little 1357 01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:27.960 white white pen here will show up a little bit 1358 01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:35.159 better than his. Spoon First officer's, log what's? HAPPENING i 1359 01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:39.039 can't tell what's? Real what causes pain in my head 1360 01:18:39.079 --> 01:18:43.159 THAT i feel? Mental hospital or. Ship i'd like to 1361 01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:47.039 end this strange. Trip someone please tell me what's the real? 1362 01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:50.359 Deal end blog and? 1363 01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:56.000 Blog? Uh nice non appearance mentioned for. Trip thank you very, Much. 1364

01:18:56.479 --> 01:19:01.520 Carrie whence all? Right the Dark? Lord chris McGee has some. 1365 01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:02.399 Thoughts what are? 1366 01:19:02.439 --> 01:19:03.640 They he? 1367 01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:08.600 Died do? Yes frame of? Mind the mind or mind screw? 1368 01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:12.479 Episode AND i think it's the third time now That 1369 01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:16.600 riker becomes an unwilling subject of an aliens. Examination this, 1370 01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:21.359 POINT i question if he's truly unwilling. Uh in the, 1371 01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:23.439 PAST i was always under the impression that this was 1372 01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:26.600 not a well received episode among, fans but listening to 1373 01:19:26.680 --> 01:19:29.600 everyone else, here it's clearly a divisive one for. Sure, 1374 01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:33.960 REGARDLESS i have always enjoyed the. Episode it may not 1375 01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:36.520 be among the top ten of the series for, me 1376 01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:40.760 but it's probably. Close i've always had an interest in 1377 01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:44.039 productions that make the audience question what they are, seeing 1378 01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:48.680 wondering if it's, reality a, dream a, hallucination a stylized 1379 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:52.199 representation of events are something else. Entirely it reminds me 1380 01:19:52.279 --> 01:19:56.399 of some great starch trick of episodes, like for, Example 1381 01:19:56.560 --> 01:19:59.600 Far beyond The, stars and it's WHY i enjoy movies 1382 01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:04.399 Like Jacob's, Ladder Fight, Club Shutter, Island list Goes. On, 1383 01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:09.399 oh and of course anything By David. Lynch because this 1384 01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:12.560 episode centers around a, PLAY i love how so many 1385 01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:16.000 lines are either contradictory or have a double meaning when 1386 01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:19.159 you think about it as the actors talking instead of their, 1387 01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:22.560 characters Like marino Sart is saying this could be a 1388 01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:25.920 sign that you're a real, actor To Jonathan frakes Or 1389 01:20:26.119 --> 01:20:28.359 David selberg SAYING i can assure you this is not a, 1390 01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:31.960 stage and of Course franks themselves SAYING i feel like an. 1391 01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:36.199 Actor my memorable quote of the, episode, though is not 1392 01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:40.840 one of those. Three it's Instead troy saying sometimes it's 1393 01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:42.640 healthy to explore the darker side of the. 1394 01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:48.800 Psyche, yes and who better to know the? Dark said dark? 1395 01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:52.960 Lord that's what it, is all? Right The Matt, borderman 1396 01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:53.640 what do you think of this? 1397 01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:59.239 ONE i freaking love this, episode AND i love it 1398 01:20:59.399

--> 01:21:04.039 because it messes with your. HEAD i mean even even 1399 01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:06.800 at for as many times As i've watched this, EPISODE 1400 01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:11.119 i love that It it keeps you guessing because you're, like, oh, wait, 1401 01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:13.439 no we're we're. Back we're, No we're not, back are? 1402 01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:13.720 We but? 1403 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:17.039 Wait is it who you? Know and you can feel 1404 01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:18.920 that moment in the episode where your brain just kind 1405 01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:21.880 of GOES i can't figure it. Out AND i love 1406 01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:27.199 that about. IT i think that is absolutely. Fantastic it 1407 01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:31.560 JUST i like episodes that that you can go back 1408 01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:34.520 and each time you watch, it you maybe catch something, 1409 01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:37.800 different or maybe you have a different theory about what's 1410 01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:40.159 going on and where we are and everything like. That 1411 01:21:40.279 --> 01:21:42.279 AND i JUST i think that this episode has. It 1412 01:21:42.439 --> 01:21:46.560 like everybody said, THAT i Just Jonathan, FRAKES i think is. 1413 01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:49.479 UNDERRATED i remember there was an innerview where he was 1414 01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:52.239 talking about that he was like the third best actor 1415 01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:55.840 in his house and you, know behind his wife and 1416 01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:58.039 his you, know his kids in. There BUT i JUST 1417 01:21:58.199 --> 01:21:59.720 i don't, KNOW i don't think the guy gives himself. 1418 01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:01.920 Enough because when you give him something like this that 1419 01:22:02.039 --> 01:22:03.880 he can really sink his teeth, INTO i think he 1420 01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:07.000 really really nails. It and then the other thing that 1421 01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:09.880 about this episode THAT i have always loved is, That 1422 01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:14.720 and this is WHERE i reveal my psychosis Where i'm just. 1423 01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:17.319 CRAZY i, mean as if you didn't already know. That 1424 01:22:17.479 --> 01:22:20.319 but there was a point WHEN i was a kid 1425 01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:25.600 THAT i was really sick AND i took a nap 1426 01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:27.920 as part of being, sick and WHEN i woke, up 1427 01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:33.079 my dad had surprised me with A transformer. Toy but 1428 01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:37.479 it almost didn't feel, real, Right LIKE i felt LIKE 1429 01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:42.319 i was. Dreaming and ever since that moment in my, 1430 01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:46.079 life there are times WHERE i will go to bed 1431 01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:50.399 AND i expect to wake up and be back at 1432 01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:53.319 that moment in my life WHERE i was, LIKE i don't, 1433 01:22:53.359 --> 01:22:58.119 know maybe seven years, old and all of, this all of, 1434 01:22:58.279 --> 01:23:01.000 this this almost forty years That i've experience since that 1435 01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:05.359 moment is all happening in a. Dream and so this 1436 01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:09.840 episode kind of reminds me of that that, moment that 1437 01:23:10.119 --> 01:23:11.880 that this thing THAT i have in my. Life AND 1438 01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:15.079 i know it sounds, crazy but SOMETIMES i do wonder 1439 01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:18.680 if at some Point i'm going to wake up and 1440 01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:21.159 realize that all of these things That i've experienced in 1441 01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:24.079 my life were nothing but a. Dream so, THIS i don't, 1442 01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:25.520 know this episode gets top marks for. 1443 01:23:25.640 --> 01:23:28.600 Me, okay. 1444 01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:31.640 It's just calling seven year old. 1445 01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:33.000 Man, yeah. 1446 01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:38.279 Things left. Unsaid he's going to tell us Which transformer 1447 01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:42.840 toy that, was AND i can't Wait jake's final Take. 1448 01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:49.399 Strock final thoughts on this, One, yeah a couple of final. 1449 01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:49.840 Thoughts. 1450 01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:52.640 ONE i thought they were going to bring a little 1451 01:23:52.680 --> 01:23:56.239 callback moment for the the black guy that was in 1452 01:23:56.319 --> 01:23:59.159 the infirmary who was giving us mad dog stare To. 1453 01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:02.000 RIKER i thought he would get a call back at a, 1454 01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:03.640 moment but he didn't. 1455 01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:07.079 Because that was. Interested he was like starting mad dogging. 1456 01:24:07.119 --> 01:24:11.000 Him i'm, like, hey who is this? GUY i don't 1457 01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:11.800 Trust worf's. 1458 01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:16.319 DEBRIEFING i just don't feel like he has the ability 1459 01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:21.319 to be able to give me a full comprehensive view 1460 01:24:21.439 --> 01:24:24.199 of what's going. ON i would prefer data or somebody 1461 01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:25.960 else giving me a. Brief If i'm going on a 1462 01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:30.680 life or death mission by. Myself it can't Be. Warf 1463 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:32.880 you're pissing me. Off warf already got a Better. 1464 01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:43.159 I'm just saying number three, Here, oh reflection. Therapy that 1465 01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:45.840 could go really wrong For riker because we don't know 1466 01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:46.720 what's in his, head. 1467 01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:50.119 RIGHT i, mean you can just imagine all these girls 1468 01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:52.880 popping up and we're, like, okay this just took all left. 1469 01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:58.479 TURN i did feel like this gave me some kind 1470 01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:02.920 of chain of command vibes with the torture that writers going, 1471 01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:05.479 THROUGH i felt like it was his time to get. 1472 01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:09.760 That i'm interested to see if there's any callback to 1473 01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:12.439 the trauma that he faces in this, episode if there's, 1474 01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:15.880 any like even just one line that. 1475 01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:20.039 Is a callback to, this to see how his mental health, 1476 01:25:20.199 --> 01:25:20.960 is BECAUSE i think this. 1477 01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:25.079 Is something that would really be affecting someone's mental health 1478 01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:30.920 and be difficult to kind of recuperate. FROM i also 1479 01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:33.880 like the fact That picard does not want to, act 1480 01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:37.960 AND i thought that was like hilarious in, itself especially 1481 01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:39.920 since he's always Quoting. 1482 01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:42.079 Shakespeare i'm, like, well there's your, chance. 1483 01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:47.199 Buddy and then, Lastly i'll just SAY i have two 1484 01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:51.159 words for the people Of tylonis of people Of tyloni is, 1485 01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:54.359 four and that is a facial. 1486 01:25:55.039 --> 01:26:05.720 Circumcision, sorry, yeah, okay all, right yeah that works. 1487 01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:16.039 Left good. Things allison's not driving, passenger all, right good, 1488 01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:18.319 STUFF i know what what timestamp to? 1489 01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:18.760 Edit? 1490 01:26:19.359 --> 01:26:24.560 Okay? Good and Also i'd be more concerned With reiker 1491 01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:28.039 talking about a debriefing, personally but that's it for. Us 1492 01:26:29.399 --> 01:26:34.159 thank you very much To Matt chris, McGee carrie Schwentt Chris, 1493 01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:38.359 garris Doctor Anne Marie, Siege mark Zutt, Cough Allison, Leech, 1494 01:26:38.479 --> 01:26:41.520 hi T. J, Jackson Bay Out In, missouri Doctor SUSAN. V, 1495 01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:45.239 Gruner CHUCK, A jason M ok And MELISSA a longo for, Myself, 1496 01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:48.720 Sarah melissa and Mister Aaron. Eisenberg thank you all so 1497 01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:51.600 much for parting with. Us we will see you next. 1498 01:26:51.680 --> 01:26:54.800 TIME tj means it, Too he's, like love you, Guys 1499 01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:58.359 i'm gonna call you on my. Spoon, uh see you 1500 01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:00.920 next time on the set Eaventh rule