Full Transcript for Beyond Wallet Addresses: The Coming Era of AI Identity

on Grok. 00:06:49.247 --> 00:06:52.093 But agentic AI is the next level. 00:06:52.093 --> 00:06:56.305 Agentic AI is AI that acts autonomously. 00:06:56.305 --> 00:07:13.127 That means it can set goals, it can execute tasks, it can learn from feedback, it can even coordinate with other AI agents and soon, and even now, it can create entire products and systems, really without any human intervention. 00:07:13.127 --> 00:07:16.127 This isn't Siri reading you the weather. 00:07:16.127 --> 00:07:27.608 This is an AI that says I noticed your schedule's overwhelming, so I just rebooked all your meetings, ordered your groceries, emailed your landlord and deployed a smart contract to automate your rent. 00:07:27.608 --> 00:07:31.793 It's AI with initiative. 00:07:31.793 --> 00:07:48.276 So, as you can see, we're talking about building something that's a completely different animal again than just interacting with a chatbot or with a custom GPT, and so this takes us to the next step of why AI, or agentic AI, definitely needs an identity. 00:07:49.199 --> 00:08:09.245 If we're talking about a world where, eventually, ai agents are potentially making decisions or signing contracts and even owning assets on the blockchain or deploying assets on the blockchain, how do we know who they are right, how do we know how to trust them and how are we able to track what they've created? 00:08:09.245 --> 00:08:44.052 I don't know how many or what percentage of AI agents that are created or what kind of programs will eventually be deployed to, like normal everyday people who just need something to update their schedule, but the way AI agents are being deployed now, and the way I anticipate will continue to happen, is they're being deployed on the blockchain right as blockchain-ownable assets and, as such, they'll be assigned the blockchain identification that we've all been assigned right, which is our wallet address, and that is the start of their identity. 00:08:44.052 --> 00:09:01.662 And that is the start of their identity. 00:09:01.662 --> 00:09:08.024 So, just like humans use emails, social handles and passports, ai agents are eventually going to need a verified identity. 00:09:08.024 --> 00:09:08.926 Researchagentx, right? 00:09:08.926 --> 00:09:10.206 These aren't human names. 00:09:10.206 --> 00:09:24.875 These will eventually become on-chain identity for agents Again, that tongue-twisting and with these, eventually you're going to know what agent wrote a white paper, right? 00:09:24.875 --> 00:09:29.418 You're going to know or be able to tip or pay an agent via their crypto wallet. 00:09:29.418 --> 00:09:50.445 You'll be able to view an AI agent's public work history on chain and also, of course, verify the origin of any AI generated content, simply by being able to map to its identity and just to kind of help it make sense as far as some real use cases, I mean like easily applicable things as people start coming to a space. 00:09:50.505 --> 00:10:15.629 Think

about a legal agent, right, I actually own on chain lawyers, on chain attorneys, on chain attorney the plural and the singularcom, zero x lawyer and attorneycom Both the pro and the singular is own, actually a lot of legal crypto-related domains, all hand registers, of course, so maybe they're on the grails to me, but they make perfect legal agent names. 00:10:15.629 --> 00:10:19.919 So imagine a legal agent like what is one I just deployed. 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:26.313 I think I did deploy OnChain Attorney and I've attached an actual chat bot to it. 00:10:26.313 --> 00:10:32.113 So if you type in OnChainAttorneycom and it takes you to a custom GPT this is where I'm going with that. 00:10:32.113 --> 00:10:35.225 Imagine an OnChain lawyer that uses something like that. 00:10:35.225 --> 00:10:37.852 You interact with it with your wallet. 00:10:37.852 --> 00:10:50.894 It can even draft contracts, sign smart contracts, create entire legal records, sign smart contracts, create entire legal records and it will be public, verifiable and, of course, auditable because it is using a name that is easy to remember and easy to trace. 00:10:50.894 --> 00:11:02.751 Same thing with, like journalism creating a news site, like I've had namernewscom, or for using a web3 domain unless I bring that one on chain something like autonews. 00:11:02.751 --> 00:11:19.849 It could be a GPT-based journalist that's trained on local city news and every time it publishes an article it's going to have a timestamp and be signed on chain and you're going to know exactly which AI agent wrote it and, of course, it's going to have its trust factor and be its own author right. 00:11:19.849 --> 00:11:21.331 Same thing with creative agents. 00:11:21.331 --> 00:11:24.828 Creative agents are going to create generative work on chain. 00:11:24.828 --> 00:11:42.679 Those collections are going to be minted by those agents and collectors are going to know exactly who that artist is because that agent is going to have a name, and then even going further with shopping assistance, et cetera. 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:44.625 You know all the different interactions. 00:11:44.625 --> 00:11:46.720 They may be able to earn affiliate commissions, they may be able to generate revenue, et cetera, et cetera. 00:11:47.341 --> 00:11:49.889 All of these things traceable on-chain. 00:11:49.889 --> 00:11:57.809 Again, a wallet address is just numbers and that's what everything coming into the space is. 00:11:57.809 --> 00:12:06.183 This is the only asset that you have beginning with and unfortunately it's unreadable and it's untrustworthy at face value. 00:12:06.183 --> 00:12:30.408 But a Web3 domain like eth or dgen, which I have Leo, sol, nft, defi, crypto, anything right You're able to build an actual reputation behind that namespace, you're able to build recognition in that namespace and when you build those things now you're building a verifiable identity for that namespace and for whatever you've built in

it. 00:12:30.408 --> 00:12:43.144 Again, this is DNS for AI agents and that comes with credentials, audits and, again, being able to sign the digital signatures that have an actual name that are traceable back to who is creating it. 00:12:43.144 --> 00:12:46.447 It's becomes essentially the passport for AI. 00:12:46.447 --> 00:12:50.006 Yeah, I mean thinking into the future. 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:57.708 Imagine a few years from now you open up a DAO dashboard and the treasury bot that's been deployed within it. 00:12:57.708 --> 00:13:01.245 And this is crazy too, because we're actually and we're going to see how this works out. 00:13:01.245 --> 00:13:03.565 A DAO that I belong to called BaseDAO. 00:13:03.565 --> 00:13:09.529 Literally, on Sunday, we are launching an agentic AI to run the DAO. 00:13:09.529 --> 00:13:11.866 It is crazy. 00:13:11.866 --> 00:13:23.970 So we have our own DAO, which has its own voting mechanisms based on the people who own membership tokens within it, but we also bought a whole noun, so collectively, we also vote in traditional noun auctions. 00:13:23.970 --> 00:13:31.441 And this AI agent, this bot, is going to do all these things for us and help optimize these activities, and this is super cool. 00:13:31.822 --> 00:13:38.586 But again, going back to what I was saying, imagine you open a DAO dashboard and you've got a treasury bot that's rebalanced the portfolio. 00:13:38.586 --> 00:13:42.244 You've got a content agent that's already been posting new content and different drops. 00:13:42.244 --> 00:13:44.433 You've got a customer service agent that's already been posting new content and different drops. 00:13:44.433 --> 00:13:55.392 You've got a customer service agent that's working behind the scenes, handling every inquiry, and all of them are tied to a single on-chain Web3 identity that you can verify because you've created your own namespace. 00:13:55.392 --> 00:14:11.071 Again, we're entering an era of agentic economies where AI agents will build businesses, they'll create projects, on-chain, they'll be able to execute proposals, and these things can, I mean, to some extent, already happen. 00:14:11.071 --> 00:14:13.563 Maybe not plug and play, but there's some pretty. 00:14:13.563 --> 00:14:18.100 There's some pretty equipped agents out there already and even plug and play. 00:14:18.100 --> 00:14:18.942 They're pretty powerful. 00:14:18.942 --> 00:14:27.683 And then, most importantly, they'll be able to pay one another and then, most importantly, they'll be able to pay one another, probably in crypto. 00:14:27.703 --> 00:14:34.695 Again, seeing how this plays out, how this continues to evolve, I do anticipate that most agents will be deployed on chain. 00:14:34.695 --> 00:14:50.711 It has been long theorized by people a lot smarter than me that the currency or the economic ecosystem for AI agents will be crypto Right. 00:14:50.711 --> 00:14:55.533 This is what they will pay each other in, this is what they will

interact with and again, anything that is going to be telling a crypto is going to get that same wallet address. 00:14:55.533 --> 00:15:01.711 Anything that gets that wallet address is going to have a need for a name, and that justifies definitely the need for our space. 00:15:01.711 --> 00:15:19.081 And again, think of a future where, eventually, you know these agents are going to have DAOs as employers, domains as IDs, wallets as banks and on-chain resume and you'll be able to hire, fire and collaborate and audit them using different Web3 tools. 00:15:20.683 --> 00:15:26.134 Now, I know for a lot of people hearing this, you know the obvious thing that you think about is the risk. 00:15:26.134 --> 00:15:36.592 As bullish as I am on a genetic AI, I run across most people who want to run far, far away from it or are afraid to deploy. 00:15:36.592 --> 00:15:38.576 You know kind of this. 00:15:38.576 --> 00:15:49.443 I want to say it's untested, but when it's your first time, you know kind of trying to wrap your head around the concept of letting something loose that can make decisions on its own on behalf of you. 00:15:49.443 --> 00:16:03.207 You know that's a scary thing and, I'll be honest, there are risks, right, you know, depending on what you deploy out there, it could potentially, you know, not align 100% initially with what you built it to do. 00:16:03.207 --> 00:16:09.212 But that's where you can definitely modify and, you know, kind of fine tune it to your liking. 00:16:09.212 --> 00:16:28.197 But then, even moving further, you know, once AI starts to flood the space, once it becomes a norm, you know, hopefully we don't start seeing things like deep fakes from AI, especially, you know, using falsified or fake identities from AI, especially using falsified or fake identities, bots posting as real people. 00:16:35.139 --> 00:16:39.451 I know that you can actually deploy actual bots to Twitter spaces that can then join as a speaker and speak. 00:16:39.451 --> 00:16:41.655 I heard a real bad example of one on our own three-name spaces. 00:16:41.655 --> 00:16:41.996 What was it? 00:16:41.996 --> 00:16:43.182 A week before last? 00:16:43.182 --> 00:16:56.166 But it's crazy because I actually saw that option pop up in the back office of one of the tools or whatever I forget what you call them sandboxes that you can use to create these agentic AIs. 00:16:56.166 --> 00:17:05.926 In the back of my sandbox, it actually has an option to set something like that up and even to clone my own voice so that it will sound like me, and this is something that you know. 00:17:05.967 --> 00:17:20.069 If I'm using it at this level and again, I will certainly admit, although I am extremely technical, curious, I click really fast and I'll definitely jump in a rabbit hole or two there are far more smarter people than me out there. 00:17:20.069 --> 00:17:30.910 There are people who are full scale, you know developers and understand AI tech to a degree that the normal

person wouldn't, and those people you know have the potential to use this in a very bad way. 00:17:30.910 --> 00:17:46.530 And this, all of this bad right, all of this risk it just reinforces the need for on chain transparency and literally the easiest way to create on-chain transparency. 00:17:46.530 --> 00:17:53.090 It's almost like we saw it coming, but on-chain namespaces, on-chain domains. 00:17:53.090 --> 00:17:54.987 It solves that problem. 00:17:54.987 --> 00:17:58.087 It does that to a T Again. 00:17:58.087 --> 00:18:00.644 It's agentic AI, web through domains. 00:18:00.644 --> 00:18:02.244 It's a match made in heaven. 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:06.265 There are two ecosystems that are made for each other, two rising technologies. 00:18:06.265 --> 00:18:09.526 Agents will need reputation systems. 00:18:09.526 --> 00:18:11.343 Web through domains can link to them. 00:18:11.343 --> 00:18:13.686 Agents may need soul bound credentials. 00:18:13.686 --> 00:18:17.471 Web 3 domains can link to them. 00:18:17.471 --> 00:18:33.376 I can come up with a million different reasons for why building a brand, building credibility behind a name, will last and will create a lot of value behind you and what you deploy out there. 00:18:33.376 --> 00:18:39.159 So, going back to again, you know those who are seeing this from a critical standpoint. 00:18:39.159 --> 00:18:50.803 It's important that us that are building and continuously onboarding people into the space that we build responsibility Again, agenda, ai and Web3 agents, or Web3 identity is like a power tool. 00:18:51.482 --> 00:19:01.286 Power tools can build homes or they can hurt people, and so it is definitely up to us to shape this space correctly and again show people how this can be utilized. 00:19:01.286 --> 00:19:03.906 The world is changing fast. 00:19:03.906 --> 00:19:08.429 Again, we're not just talking about smarter AI or cooler domains. 00:19:08.429 --> 00:19:18.154 We're talking about a future where, potentially, ai is going to have an identity and an agency. 00:19:18.154 --> 00:19:26.499 Identity is decentralized, work is autonomous and every agent, every person, every idea has a verifiable and ownable name. 00:19:27.662 --> 00:19:30.613 With that being said, we just had a guest join our space. 00:19:30.613 --> 00:19:40.457 I want to say definitely, want to say good afternoon, I want to give you a chance to go ahead and introduce yourself, but up on the stage right now we've got AINow. 00:19:40.457 --> 00:19:48.756 For those who will be listening later, he is famously the new owner of AgenticAIcom, so definitely the main. 00:19:48.756 --> 00:19:54.512 That ties right into the narrative of what's coming, how the space is building. 00:19:54.512 --> 00:19:56.336 But definitely would like me to say hi. 00:19:56.336 --> 00:19:58.942 And then I wanted to get your thoughts as well. 00:19:58.942 --> 00:20:13.416 You know, obviously you must be bullish on Agility AI with the recent purchase of the

domain, but how do you feel about Web3 domains and their potential tie or use in, you know, agents as they become deployed on-chain? 00:20:13.416 --> 00:20:15.075 Sorry for that long-winded question. 00:20:16.092 --> 00:20:16.795 Hey, it's all good. 00:20:16.795 --> 00:20:22.498 Good morning, marcus, or GM, or good night, good evening, whatever you want to call it. 00:20:22.498 --> 00:20:26.775 I just want to start off by saying thanks a bunch for being flexible on this. 00:20:26.775 --> 00:20:37.314 I know we kind of talked earlier, so I just want to say I really appreciate your flexibility on this and I just want to say hello to iHeart Domains, if there's another person behind there. 00:20:37.314 --> 00:20:46.739 But yeah, you're correct, we did acquire agenticacom at a reasonable or fair value. 00:20:48.001 --> 00:20:53.374 We think there's a lot of upside potential in the forward looking years. 00:20:53.374 --> 00:21:00.585 The CAGR or the compound annual growth rate, the search traffic, the way AI agents are going. 00:21:00.585 --> 00:21:04.279 There's this new term called vertical AI agents. 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:10.009 It's obviously, you know, it's a little bit more specialized or focused than just like AI agents. 00:21:10.009 --> 00:21:19.980 But there's this new-ish term that I've seen floating around called vertical AI agents, kind of in a specific vertical of an industry or buying a business. 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:30.869 But yeah, you know, forward looking, I think we're, I think we're, you know, I think the forward, you know this is just my opinion the forward outlook of a Gentic AI is really positive in my opinion. 00:21:30.869 --> 00:21:42.532 Just looking at the data and the trends and the graphs and talk on X and talk on social media and I, you know, I think, in my honest opinion, we're just, you know, getting started. 00:21:42.532 --> 00:22:00.099 You know, I mean, I think eventually in the coming years, next, you know, under five years, you'll have, you know, you'll be, you know, just you know, you'll be like a car wash attendant or you'll be like a car salesman, or you just you know whatever you want to call it, and you'll have a little AI agent on your computer. 00:22:00.099 --> 00:22:10.374 You know, managing your emails, managing your calendar, automatically accepting invites or automatically handling tasks and emails and responses for you and and coordinating all those things. 00:22:10.374 --> 00:22:15.752 And so you know, I think you know the other thing is is with AI agents. 00:22:15.752 --> 00:22:28.092 I mean, you know, I've mostly seen it around X, and you know X is, I don't want to say nerdy, but you know, just in my personal experience, I've seen trends on X before they go mainstream. 00:22:28.092 --> 00:22:34.854 And so you know, some people say X is like the hive mind or the internet, or whatever you want to call it. 00:22:35.516 --> 00:22:40.246 But you know, in terms of Web3 and digital identities, you know, my honest opinion is a lot of things are going to be tokenized. 00:22:40.246 --> 00:22:44.382 But you know, in terms of Web3 and digital identities, you know, my honest opinion is a lot of things are going to be tokenized in the coming years. 00:22:44.382 --> 00:22:59.640 I don't necessarily know how soon or how quick or how fast or how much, but you know, just looking at general trends and data, in my opinion I think a lot of things are going to be tokenized, whether it's like stocks or art. 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:02.539 I mean, obviously some of this stuff is already being done, there's no question. 00:23:02.809 --> 00:23:07.162 But you know, forward, looking at like how much more is going to be tokenized? 00:23:07.162 --> 00:23:11.054 And you know we already have like USDC and all these. 00:23:11.054 --> 00:23:16.981 You know all these other other things going on on tokenization and RWA, real world assets. 00:23:16.981 --> 00:23:27.020 But yeah, you know, I'm just I'm not particularly caught up with the narrative or caught up with the current state of digital identities. 00:23:27.020 --> 00:23:36.641 I kind of know what they are, but you know, in relation to Web3 and the blockchain and tokenization, I think long-term that's only going to continue growing. 00:23:36.641 --> 00:23:40.294 I just want to say thanks again for having me on Marcus and iHeart Domains. 00:23:40.294 --> 00:23:41.278 I really appreciate it. 00:23:42.450 --> 00:23:44.617 Yeah, absolutely, and love having you on. 00:23:44.617 --> 00:23:52.423 I also enjoyed having the ability to chat with you almost right after you made the acquisition of the domain and picking your brain. 00:23:52.423 --> 00:23:56.560 I also want to welcome you to the free name community as well. 00:23:56.560 --> 00:24:01.157 I've already kind of told our VIP community about you, so, uh, definitely glad to have you there. 00:24:01.157 --> 00:24:08.801 Um, a couple things I I did want to touch on and and so to kind of make this connection for you, uh, to catch you up to speed. 00:24:09.505 --> 00:24:24.587 Um, the theory is, is that most agents, at least right now, right with the narrative that we're following now, like you, you made a point, um, that twitter, you know, kind of acts like, like a hive, or can sometimes break technology before it goes mainstream. 00:24:24.587 --> 00:24:54.121 It seems like that, right, and the narrative here, for the most part, is that these agents are being deployed on chain, um, the the pretty much the simple connection is that you know anything that's deployed somewhere needs a name, right, so that you can identify it, and more than just a Twitter name, right, but an actual, verifiable name so you can trace what it is doing as it's interacting on the blockchain Agents, as I'm currently seeing and interacting, and I was going to ask you as well have you currently built out any agents? 00:24:54.121 --> 00:25:00.741 But just some news, that kind of where this space is going,

and again, I hope this. 00:25:00.741 --> 00:25:04.809 I see this as being like the next wave that takes over. 00:25:04.809 --> 00:25:12.223 I mean, obviously, agentix has a use case anywhere far beyond outside of crypto, but just within our little circle. 00:25:12.223 --> 00:25:15.692 Right, we're coming from a bull. 00:25:15.692 --> 00:25:17.354 We're coming into a bull run of Agentix. 00:25:17.354 --> 00:25:19.315 We're coming into a bull run of agentics. 00:25:19.414 --> 00:25:30.663 I mentioned last week that Solana Agent Kit has now enabled any agents that you build there you can actually launch a Pump Fund token within their platform and attach it to the agent. 00:25:30.663 --> 00:25:34.426 So already you know they have an ecosystem where you can deploy agents. 00:25:34.426 --> 00:25:37.976 Agents can deploy token assets on chain. 00:25:37.976 --> 00:25:44.958 But even beyond that virtual's ecosystem has evolved to the point where you can literally gamble on agents. 00:25:44.958 --> 00:26:05.923 Right now, if you wanna participate in, basically, agent IPOs, they have a whole list of agents that are about to launch tokens and you can get into pre-sales on agent and these are actual agentic AI agents who are bidding for you to fund their token to be launched on chain and do whatever it is that they're going to do. 00:26:05.923 --> 00:26:19.585 So even before this catches, I think, mainstream, you're going to see the kind of degen economy really kick this into high gear and turn this into kind of a money farm for a little bit. 00:26:19.664 --> 00:26:39.242 And again, with a lot of things being incubated within Web3, with there being, you know, kind of a natural, a natural use right, a natural, you know, a natural tie with the Gen 6, an easy way for for, again, us nerds here to turn you know digital money into real money. 00:26:39.242 --> 00:26:47.971 There is going to be a need to name them and the best way to name these things in really, you know, structurally is on chain. 00:26:47.971 --> 00:26:52.185 If the asset exists on chain, web3 names exist to name those things. 00:26:52.185 --> 00:27:00.770 So hopefully that wasn't too long winded, of kind of a response to what you're saying and also kind of an answer as to you know why. 00:27:00.770 --> 00:27:03.138 I think the two worlds are definitely made for each other. 00:27:03.138 --> 00:27:10.403 But back to the question that I wanted to ask you have you had a chance to build in the world of AI or agentics personally yet? 00:27:10.403 --> 00:27:12.954 Do you have any personal experience with that? 00:27:12.954 --> 00:27:15.602 And it's cool if it's a yes or if it's a no. 00:27:16.330 --> 00:27:21.875 I do have a follow-up question, depending on what the answer is or if it's a no, I do have a follow-up question, depending on what the answer is. 00:27:21.875 --> 00:27:22.717 Actually, yeah, that's a good question. 00:27:22.717 --> 00:27:38.538 Um, I was looking at this agent builder, sas or platform, uh last week or two weeks ago actually for domain names because, um, I was looking for it to like automatically appraise names or automatically like do data crunching. 00:27:38.538 --> 00:27:41.852 It was very domain focused but I ran into. 00:27:41.852 --> 00:27:46.080 The problem is with the tool or platform I picked. 00:27:46.080 --> 00:27:51.397 I kind of gave up in like an hour or so because it just seemed too complicated for me. 00:27:51.397 --> 00:28:09.378 Now, I'm not saying that goes for every agent platform or make your own agent platform, but at least the one I choose, that just with the UI and all these different connectors and steps and processes and things, it just got a little overwhelming and a little daunting for me. 00:28:09.378 --> 00:28:16.721 Now I understand, like, the whole point of like if you can actually automate this agent or build this agent like the ROI is like insane. 00:28:16.721 --> 00:28:20.961 You know you can have it do automatic, whatever it's. 00:28:20.961 --> 00:28:23.213 Just it's just with the platform I was using the. 00:28:23.213 --> 00:28:40.282 I don't want to say the UI wasn't unfriendly, it was just the whole getting a setup from A to Z was a little daunting Because I think I mean it could be my fault too, because potentially, maybe what I was trying to accomplish was too complex or complicated. 00:28:40.282 --> 00:29:02.013 I mean, I'm sure it can be done with an AI agent, but you know, I'm a brand new beginner, you know dabbling in AI agents and so you know it's different than like, hey, I'm going to talk to chat GPT about this prompt or about have a long winded conversation with chat GPT and do some prompt engineering, long-winded conversation with chat gbt and doing some prompt engineering. 00:29:02.013 --> 00:29:04.038 Um, so you know like, on that front, you know prompt engineering. 00:29:04.038 --> 00:29:06.683 Or you know talking to ai in a elegant manner, if you will. 00:29:06.683 --> 00:29:08.476 I've gotten good at that. 00:29:08.476 --> 00:29:14.114 But when it comes to these ai agents, this is like my first time actually exploring or dabbling in one. 00:29:14.114 --> 00:29:16.740 So I actually gave up after like an hour or two. 00:29:17.101 --> 00:29:18.853 Doesn't mean I'm not going to revisit it. 00:29:18.853 --> 00:29:22.821 I think there is a strong possibility I need I will revisit it. 00:29:22.821 --> 00:29:32.589 I just think I need to either, you know like, just watch a YouTube video, watch a tutorial, you know like, rather than just go in blindingly on building an agent. 00:29:32.589 --> 00:29:40.845 And I think I mean, obviously you know I mean whether you're making an agent for, like, domain appraisals or getting ideas or whatever you want to call it. 00:29:40.845 --> 00:29:44.257 I mean, obviously there's a use case and value there and obviously they exist for a reason. 00:29:45.111 --> 00:29:49.762 It's just you know, like I said in my experience, I just found it a

little daunting or overwhelming. 00:29:49.762 --> 00:30:02.633 But again, you know, that's why I just need to watch a YouTube video or to tutorial or start with a more simple idea, because that's kind of like how I got started with vibe coding. 00:30:02.633 --> 00:30:04.299 This kind of plays into it is. 00:30:04.299 --> 00:30:07.932 When I started out at vibe coding, I was just really bad, like my first project. 00:30:07.932 --> 00:30:10.819 It was too complicated, it was just, you know, whatever. 00:30:10.819 --> 00:30:18.633 But eventually, as I did more vibe coding, I broke it down into smaller goals or smaller sections and then built up my vibe coding skills. 00:30:18.633 --> 00:30:20.517 Not that I'm an expert at it or any means. 00:30:20.517 --> 00:30:31.810 It's just you know, when you first start doing it, you kind of don't understand the technicalities or the complexities of building a moderately complex application or website vibe coding. 00:30:31.810 --> 00:30:34.432 But yeah, that's my response. 00:30:36.233 --> 00:30:55.964 Yeah, you actually make a great point and it's I hate to like I feel like I'm an extremely optimistic person that every time like I speak about Web3 domains or Web3 in any way, like I always just find the greatest possible road forward. 00:30:55.964 --> 00:31:01.847 But everything does kind of inspire the fact that there's a solution right. 00:31:01.847 --> 00:31:11.200 And once that solution happens, that adoption or mass adoption may soon come with it, just like everything else right. 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:19.844 When something is extremely difficult or when it's hard to understand or build with, you have kind of only this select group of people that understand it and create with it that inspire the rest. 00:31:19.844 --> 00:31:32.919 But once that UI does exist, where the rest, you know, kind of on on equal ground, aka things like we were talking about this earlier in the spaces like how you know, used to feel like you had to have a technical degree to launch a token. 00:31:32.919 --> 00:31:44.075 Now you can launch one any one and pumped up fun Web3 TLDs, for example, anyone and pumped up fun Web3TLDs, for example. 00:31:44.075 --> 00:31:44.897 Who knows how to create a namespace. 00:31:44.897 --> 00:31:46.683 You can acquire a namespace directly, turn key through free name. 00:31:46.683 --> 00:31:52.819 Same thing with AI, right, we are at that point right now with AI agents. 00:31:52.819 --> 00:31:54.002 We're there with agentics. 00:31:54.002 --> 00:32:00.621 I think we scaled understanding or even using and implementing AI in our everyday lives. 00:32:00.621 --> 00:32:03.239 I think that happened relatively quickly. 00:32:03.239 --> 00:32:22.972 As far as emerging technology goes, I think we usually take a little bit longer to just accept something and run with it, but it seems like we went from you know, using AI to create filters on Instagram to you know, fully embedding it, at least in again in chatbot interaction to that extent. 00:32:22.972 --> 00:32:39.990 But again, we're still at that place right now where it feels like you have to have a technical degree in order to deploy these, and this is why I think any real estate connected to this is so cheap right now, and so this is going back to that opportunity so cheap right now, and so this is going back to that opportunity. 00:32:39.990 --> 00:32:43.298 It's so cheap because we know that day is coming. 00:32:43.298 --> 00:32:47.915 Ai itself will eventually improve itself to the point where it'll be able to embed. 00:32:47.915 --> 00:32:49.934 You get what I'm saying. 00:32:49.974 --> 00:33:10.951 I'm not trying to spread the theory that robots will take over the world, but my point being is that kind of as I explained earlier in another space and again related back to Web2Domains, as of as I explained earlier in another spaces and again related back to Web3 domains, as far as concepts, when they're past the point of pure speculation, right when they've gotten to a point where they're starting to establish themselves as a real industry. 00:33:10.951 --> 00:33:24.236 Ai, by far, has exploded as an entire industry that is going to continue to grow and continue to be embedded, whether it calls itself that or not. 00:33:24.236 --> 00:33:38.540 And so, again, when half of the world doesn't understand what's coming and you have an opportunity to own real estate or to build infrastructure in that thing before it blows, this is where millionaires and billionaires and et cetera are made. 00:33:38.540 --> 00:34:15.525 So, taking us back to the opportunity that exists, the obvious opportunity that exists building an AI, creating an AI that's one opportunity, but then owning what every agent will eventually come to and need as we start seeing multiple ecosystems of agents being deployed out, here is another, I believe, really easy way to position yourself for the boom that is eventually going to come, when these things become as easy as being able to use a button in your Instagram to launch an agent that posts and tweets and does all that stuff for you. 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:18.909 And again, I'm making up features right now, how they'll actually be deployed. 00:34:18.909 --> 00:34:26.130 I'm sure they'll have a different name, but you get my point If you play with AI in any way, shape or form or fashion. 00:34:26.130 --> 00:34:40.393 If you dug into any of these ecosystems, and especially if you played around in any of these agent sandboxes, you know where this is going, you know where this is being built, built and we're still right at the beginning of that technology, which you know. 00:34:40.432 --> 00:34:53.027 Okay for it oh well, you know, I, I just want to say it's something that's kind of funny, not in a bad way, um, but I, I have a, you know, a good friend here in town and she is, you know, relatively tech savvy. 00:34:53.027 --> 00:35:01.983 She knows how to build a computer, she

knows how to, you know, build, you know do a fresh install of like Windows or Linux or an operating system and reformat a computer. 00:35:01.983 --> 00:35:14.552 And she's, you know, very technically savvy, or I shouldn't say very, but she's well equipped in the just, you know, she was over, you know, a couple weeks ago and we were just talking and I was asking her, like, have you ever heard of Grok or AI? 00:35:14.552 --> 00:35:25.246 Have you ever used AI? 00:35:25.246 --> 00:35:34.128 And you know, at this point, ai has been around for, you know, whatever, a few years, whatever you want to call it, and she was like, no, I haven't used AI. 00:35:34.128 --> 00:35:40.472 And, granted, she's a little older than me and just and just a friend, but I just found it really interesting. 00:35:40.472 --> 00:35:40.811 You know. 00:35:40.831 --> 00:35:48.059 I guess my point is, you know, I still think we're early to AI because, you know, I just, you know, this is kind of like a salt test and to a degree, is okay. 00:35:48.059 --> 00:35:59.619 So we have a relatively competent hardware tech nerdy person, but they're not really up with the times, like they're not on X or Twitter or Facebook or Instagram or whatever. 00:35:59.619 --> 00:36:02.909 They're not really on social media or using apps, right. 00:36:02.909 --> 00:36:04.523 They're very they're kind of old school. 00:36:04.523 --> 00:36:07.913 But I just found it interesting. 00:36:08.262 --> 00:36:10.394 You know kind of to your point about how we're early. 00:36:10.394 --> 00:36:20.123 Is you know, here we have this demographic or this person that I know that's never used AI and once I got her set up with Grok and Twitter and AI, she was like wow, this is amazing. 00:36:20.123 --> 00:36:24.342 I can just talk to Grok about practically anything and it will just walk me through. 00:36:24.342 --> 00:36:30.643 I can use Grok for searches and questions rather than going to Google or I can just have a conversation with it. 00:36:30.643 --> 00:36:43.172 And I'm not sure, but I know for a fact there's plenty of other people out there, because I asked a buddy of mine from college, I was like, hey, man, you ever heard of agentic AI? 00:36:43.172 --> 00:36:58.092 And he was like no, but he knows what AI is and I would consider him a relatively tech-savvy person too, and he's never heard of agentic AI or AI agents and I just thought that was an interesting salt test to some degree. 00:36:59.739 --> 00:37:12.882 Yeah, again, it's definitely one of those things that I think is just going to happen right, and it's going to take one person to deploy, or one company right to deploy, something that just clicks with the masses. 00:37:12.882 --> 00:37:29.668 Or again like either better UI or something like that, or again like either better UI or something like that, and you again going to another point, yeah, there are certainly pockets of people out there who, I mean, have not interacted or have not consciously interacted with AI. 00:37:29.668 --> 00:37:40.865 The thing about AI, though, is it is extremely easy to onboard people to using it, and that, I think, is also going to play a big factor in this spreading very fast. 00:37:40.865 --> 00:37:47.286 I mean almost anybody that you introduce this to and open up a simple chat bot and say you can ask it any stupid question. 00:37:47.286 --> 00:37:51.023 It'll give you an answer that'll make you feel like you're the smartest person in the world. 00:37:51.023 --> 00:37:53.170 I mean, that's instantaneous value. 00:37:53.170 --> 00:38:06.963 I mean, my eight-year-old daughter uses chat GPT, of course, with monitoring and limitations, but it is an extremely useful tool that it's very easy to onboard people with, and even the people who haven't heard it again. 00:38:06.963 --> 00:38:15.668 Once it clicks, that simple concept, once it clicks, it's embedded, you're hooked for life. 00:38:15.668 --> 00:38:17.932 And that virality, that usefulness. 00:38:18.701 --> 00:38:45.099 Again, it takes us out of the realm of speculation as far as whether or not AI is going to continue to be built upon, continue to be evolved, continue to gain more onboarding, not only from individuals or people consumers but also large corporations who are now starting to name themselves after this and turn the entire branch of their corporations into AI companies, speaking of which X is doing just that. 00:38:45.099 --> 00:38:51.293 Right, x is focusing more on being an AI company than a social media company. 00:38:51.293 --> 00:38:54.590 And again, we see why, because we see where this is going. 00:38:54.590 --> 00:39:08.188 Quick question, before we kind of start to wrap up this thought and don't know if you have an answer to it or not, but obviously everyone's curious You've got agenticaicom. 00:39:08.188 --> 00:39:12.210 Are you planning on building it out C or no? 00:39:12.210 --> 00:39:14.842 And if so, can you share what that is? 00:39:14.842 --> 00:39:21.711 But if not, if you see someone else eventually acquiring this domain, how do you see this domain? 00:39:21.711 --> 00:39:24.835 You know, kind of existing in the space? 00:39:24.835 --> 00:39:27.969 Again, it's a pretty big name considering where we're going. 00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:30.684 Yeah, good question. 00:39:30.684 --> 00:39:37.931 Well, you know, I think what I fall back on is just what I mean. 00:39:37.931 --> 00:39:47.342 Let's just look at agentic AI as a industry, as a vertical, as a business, as you know, something in those lines you know. 00:39:47.342 --> 00:39:54.840 What I do know is, according to the search data I saw, it gets worldwide, approximately gets 700 to 800. 00:39:54.840 --> 00:40:06.963 The keyword agentic AI gets approximately 700 to 800,000 searches on Google worldwide, relatively consistently for the last six months a year and it's growing. 00:40:06.963 --> 00:40:21.130 If you look at the graph, the keyword volume for agentic AI is growing in an

uptrend, which tells me and you know the thing is that the 800,000 searches, that's a lot, but that's a fraction of the world population with what? 00:40:21.130 --> 00:40:22.755 7, 8, 9 billion people? 00:40:22.755 --> 00:40:24.621 That's a small fraction. 00:40:24.621 --> 00:40:29.172 But what I'm looking at is just the data, the trends, the charts, the graphs. 00:40:29.172 --> 00:40:32.422 What direction is it going, future-wise? 00:40:32.422 --> 00:40:36.106 And the search volume is on an upslope. 00:40:37.268 --> 00:40:50.570 You know, I was doing some market research about agentic AI with a cumulative annual growth rate or CAGR or C-A-G-R, and marketus put it at about 40% or so. 00:40:50.570 --> 00:40:55.086 Obviously, that's just an estimate and estimates are known to be wrong. 00:40:55.086 --> 00:41:00.445 There's a margin of error, but one from the reports I saw it was maybe whatever. 00:41:00.445 --> 00:41:04.112 30%, 40% cumulative annual growth rate. 00:41:04.112 --> 00:41:05.922 Point being, I was just looking at all. 00:41:05.922 --> 00:41:07.927 I wasn't even looking at comparable sales. 00:41:07.927 --> 00:41:09.190 I wasn't looking at. 00:41:10.541 --> 00:41:18.139 I think that's the biggest thing I can say is I was not looking at comparable sales, because people buy domains for all sorts of reasons. 00:41:18.139 --> 00:41:24.588 You know there's end users, there's other investors, there's wholesale, you know other speculators, whatever you want to call it, you know you might. 00:41:24.588 --> 00:41:37.259 You know like, for example, physicalaicom sold for $50,000, like within the last two years and I'm not going to go into physical AI, but you know, if you just Google it, nvidia has a blog article about it. 00:41:37.259 --> 00:41:42.849 Point being is, for this acquisition, I was looking at non-comparable sales data. 00:41:42.849 --> 00:41:47.786 I was also looking at investments made in the space. 00:41:47.786 --> 00:41:49.331 Where is the industry going? 00:41:49.331 --> 00:41:50.922 How is the industry going to evolve? 00:41:50.922 --> 00:42:07.166 A lot of my questions and thinking into this acquisition were I don't want to say forward thinking, but looking into the future, not like this year, not next year, but maybe two plus years kind of thing and and everything seemed to be positive. 00:42:07.166 --> 00:42:09.112 I mean, I'm sure there's a bear case to be made. 00:42:09.132 --> 00:42:17.831 I'm you know the grass isn't always greener and you know I've been known to be wrong, but at least for this acquisition it, you know, it's just. 00:42:17.831 --> 00:42:21.016 I was like OK, you know, I feel like the risk to reward is there, you know. 00:42:21.016 --> 00:42:28.711 But you know to answer your question directly, you know what I'm going to do with it, you know. 00:42:29.012 --> 00:42:33.731 You know I just got it you know, it's just like I've been traveling and I've been doing all these things lately. 00:42:33.731 --> 00:42:39.302 So you know, kind of just, you know we'll see doing all these things lately. 00:42:39.302 --> 00:42:40.568 So you know, kind of just, you know we'll see. 00:42:40.568 --> 00:43:00.182 But I think what I will say is you know, if you want to be called I mean, this is it's not like this needs to be stated, but I guess the way I perceive it is if you want to be the agentic AI company because agentic AI is encompassing of AI agents and anything, ai automation and you know, agentic AI is like the categorical umbrella definition term, if you want to put it that way. 00:43:00.182 --> 00:43:06.940 So you know, if you want to be called the agentic AI company or you know, want to do it, you know you would have. 00:43:06.981 --> 00:43:13.690 Thecom is just how I perceive it and, like I said, I could be wrong, but that's just how I kind of perceive it. 00:43:14.460 --> 00:43:16.005 But also I think I think it's. 00:43:16.005 --> 00:43:23.784 You know, if let's say that never happens, I never find a buyer. 00:43:23.784 --> 00:43:36.153 You know, I think it's a really strong and great name and if I don't find a buyer or if I don't want to sell it, you know, whatever the point being is, I do have the somewhat of the skills to build something out on it, maybe a marketplace, maybe a blog, maybe an informational website, you know. 00:43:36.153 --> 00:43:39.860 Or I could just go to chat GPT or Grok for ideas, you know. 00:43:39.860 --> 00:43:44.088 So you know, we'll see what happens. 00:43:44.088 --> 00:43:52.610 But you know, I think, you know, I think it's a strong, powerful name, and you know, you know, I'm sure you know. 00:43:52.610 --> 00:44:08.030 The thing is, people like to talk about end users and you know, an end user may have a totally different idea with it than I may ever envision, or or think of you know, I'm sure you know it kind of not that it needs to stay in its lane, but who knows what you could build on it. 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:09.425 You know you could build a marketplace. 00:44:09.425 --> 00:44:10.047 You could do X. 00:44:10.047 --> 00:44:11.885 You could use it as a redirect. 00:44:11.885 --> 00:44:13.168 You know there is just a. 00:44:13.168 --> 00:44:28.173 You know, you know, I guess people when they look at domains they have different perceptions or different ways of looking at what they want to do with a domain. 00:44:28.173 --> 00:44:29.336 You could do an agentic AI newsletter. 00:44:29.336 --> 00:44:31.682 You know you want to start an agentic AI newsletter and keep you know. 00:44:31.682 --> 00:44:34.128 Thousands of people, thousands of people, updated on a weekly or daily basis. 00:44:34.128 --> 00:44:35.211 You could do something like that. 00:44:35.211 --> 00:44:39.206 But I hope that gives you somewhat of a direct answer to your question. 00:44:40.449 --> 00:44:41.710 Yeah, absolutely. 00:44:41.710 --> 00:44:46.768 Thank you for answering and, like again, looking forward to seeing what's built out with it.

00:44:46.768 --> 00:44:48.032 Again, very powerful name. 00:44:48.032 --> 00:44:59.509 It encompasses an entire category, so in one way or another, it's going to serve as either a great pillar of information or a way to discover you know, discover some agentic agents. 00:44:59.509 --> 00:45:18.275 One thing is also for sure, too and I think I saw this comment on one of your posts or something or about you earlier that it seems like ever since you bought the name, every single thing that's been showing up in my feed since then has been locking in the fact that it was a great buy. 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:27.215 Once again, the narrative of the space of the crypto bubble is definitely aligned with the Gentic AI we're going to start seeing. 00:45:27.215 --> 00:45:28.425 We're at the very beginning of it. 00:45:28.425 --> 00:45:32.731 Right now, I can name like three or four agents maybe that exist on X. 00:45:32.731 --> 00:45:39.101 It will soon be hundreds and thousands and hundreds of thousands of them, and then that's just the beginning. 00:45:39.101 --> 00:45:53.248 It will spread beyond that again to the normal user once the UI catches up and we can start onboarding the masses, and this will be not only a way to onboard people into AI, but this will also be a way to onboard these same people into Web3. 00:45:53.248 --> 00:45:59.722 With that being said, and yeah, I want to give you a chance if you have any thoughts you want to end with. 00:45:59.722 --> 00:46:04.722 Once again, thank you for taking the time out of your evening to join us on the space. 00:46:04.722 --> 00:46:12.590 I happily moved the space at this time because I definitely wanted your feedback Again, extremely valuable feedback, and I know a lot of people are not only following. 00:46:12.731 --> 00:46:23.226 You know what you're doing with the domain, but you know also, following your journey, you're putting out and sharing some very you know what you're doing with the domain, but you know also, following your journey, you're putting out and sharing some very you know, solid data and information, again aligned with the narrative of Logistic AI. 00:46:23.226 --> 00:46:40.525 And for any of us who are in the Web3 domain ecosystem, again, if you're looking for, you know, a perfect use case, the perfect use case, the use case, the grail use case that we didn't even know would exist three or four years ago when a lot of us first started playing with these domain names. 00:46:40.525 --> 00:46:45.485 I mean, god gave us to us, gave us AI, he gave us agents, and so you know what to do. 00:46:45.485 --> 00:46:51.110 You got to name them, but yeah, with that being said, anything that you want to end with, before we close up sir. 00:46:52.860 --> 00:47:08.952 No, I just want to say thanks again for the opportunity to talk and I know we met last week or a couple of weeks ago or so, and it's been a pleasure talking with you and getting to know you and you kind of, you know, you know free name

got me my first TLD. 00:47:08.952 --> 00:47:23.670 I don't want to it's not that I don't want to reveal it, but you know I will reveal it at some point, you obviously know. 00:47:23.670 --> 00:47:28.726 But you know I am excited to get my feet wet into web three with a TLD, um, and it kind of you know the way I look at it is kind of like have a stake in web three. 00:47:28.726 --> 00:47:43.655 You know, um, you know just a little stake, a little little dabbling, you know a little whatever you want to call it, um, and you know, like I said, we met within the last couple of weeks and you know I really appreciate your time and you taking the taking the time out of your day and your schedule to educate me on web three. 00:47:43.655 --> 00:47:47.041 And you know we talked a lot about various things and so I really appreciate that. 00:47:47.041 --> 00:47:48.425 You know. 00:47:48.445 --> 00:47:57.670 Closing notes, though, you know you know I think what I like the most about domains is you know, it's a common, it's a common shared interest. 00:47:57.670 --> 00:48:16.570 And what I correlated to is kind of like stamp collecting, you know, like there's there's, you know there's a ton of people into cars, there's a ton of people into crypto, you know there's a ton of people into all these hobbies, or you know sports or football or whatever hockey, whatever you want to call it. 00:48:16.570 --> 00:48:22.789 But I kind of correlate domains and I don't want to say Web3 is like oh, that's a weird niche. 00:48:22.789 --> 00:48:23.985 I don't want to say that at all. 00:48:23.985 --> 00:48:32.210 I guess what I'm trying to say is it's kind of like okay, if a stamp collector meets another stamp collector, they're like oh yeah, it's cool, let's talk about stamps. 00:48:32.210 --> 00:48:32.972 And I feel that way. 00:48:32.972 --> 00:48:43.038 I take that and resonate that a lot with domain investors and other domain people is like, hey, you want to bond and just talk over domains, whether it's web 2 or web 3. 00:48:43.038 --> 00:48:47.746 You want to talk slds, tlds, tlds taken, tlds developed. 00:48:47.746 --> 00:48:51.614 You know all these metrics, geo domains, um, exact, match. 00:48:51.614 --> 00:48:52.965 You know brandables, you know it's just. 00:48:53.405 --> 00:49:21.106 I guess what I'm trying to say is um, you know, I, you know, between you and a handful of other people I've been able to meet through X, I've been able to make some what I would call friends or domain buddies, or buddies, you know, and I just think that's the power of like a, you know, I don't want to say a niche hobby, because there's a lot of people in it, but you know, just like a specialized interest may be a better way to put it, and so I don't mean any of that negatively, I mean all that positively, and so I'm very you know. 00:49:21.126 --> 00:49:26.527 You know, between meeting you and a lot of other people in the domain space, there's a lot of cool and great people, and you know. 00:49:26.527 --> 00:49:28.780 You know, what I like is it's global. 00:49:28.780 --> 00:49:37.090 You know, I've talked to people in India, bangladesh, you know, here in the United States, you know, all across the world, and I just think it's cool to just see. 00:49:37.090 --> 00:49:50.800 Hey, you know, let's just talk about one thing and then share ideas and tips and tricks and just discuss about this, and then maybe we'll sprinkle in some personal stuff, you know, and get to know each other a little bit and through the internet, and I think that's really cool. 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:52.684 But that's really all I have to end on. 00:49:54.226 --> 00:49:55.971 No, you're absolutely right. 00:49:55.971 --> 00:49:57.313 And it is crazy. 00:49:57.313 --> 00:50:09.994 No, you're absolutely right, it is crazy, especially in traditional domain space, how big that space is, how the transactions that have been made over the past 20 or 30 years in domains, and the fact that it's really just like a few people. 00:50:09.994 --> 00:50:21.652 Right, it's really not that big of a group and that's the beautiful thing about it, right, that small groups of visionaries can make a really, really big difference that impacts the whole world, and they don't even know it. 00:50:21.652 --> 00:50:38.657 And so again back on my super positiveness we are that group, right, we're that group of thinkers and innovators here in this bubble called Web3 that will create a concept that the world will accept because it's awesome and it'll work for them. 00:50:40.443 --> 00:50:41.728 Yeah, I'm just going to say thanks again. 00:50:41.728 --> 00:50:43.126 I'm going to drop to listening. 00:50:43.126 --> 00:50:47.507 So thanks for giving me the floor and I'm just going to drop to listening. 00:50:47.507 --> 00:50:47.969 Thanks again. 00:50:49.092 --> 00:50:49.753 Yeah, absolutely. 00:50:49.753 --> 00:51:15.425 Thank you once again for coming on as a guest and again, we're about to wrap up the space, just wrapping up with these thoughts Agents in AI or AI agents on the blockchain, web3 domains again are two opportunities, two emerging industries, two emerging technologies, that there is a bunch of both investment opportunity in as well as participation opportunity, and we are at a crossroads or something. 00:51:15.425 --> 00:51:30.195 But again, us, as this small group, just like the group I just referenced in DNS, that has the ability to create really pretty big ecosystem, financial ecosystem we are the group that is doing that here. 00:51:30.195 --> 00:51:38.213 So, without further ado, with nothing else to be said, once again, thank you guys for attending this Tech Talk. 00:51:38.213 --> 00:51:40.525 Try to do this every week. 00:51:40.525 --> 00:51:43.329 I've been doing this again for the past two and a half, three years. 00:51:43.420 --> 00:51:49.351 If you want to listen to any of the previous episodes, you can find them easily on iHeartDomainscom or on TechTalkhost. 00:51:49.351 --> 00:51:54.369 But yeah, until next time, focus on your mission and not your condition. 00:51:54.369 --> 00:51:57.583 Happy domaining and yeah, get out there building AI. 00:51:57.583 --> 00:52:10.429 Eventually it's going to be incorporated in the way that you do business, the way you think and the way you operate your day, so it's better to get ahead of the building curve already, but again, thank you for attending another Tech Talk. 00:52:10.429 --> 00:52:11.291 See you guys next week.