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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
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Speaker 2: What is up, Straight Fire fam?
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Speaker 3: It's me, Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire. For Wednesday, October the 28th, we have a great guest today, college football.
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Speaker 2: I know you guys love the 2014 playoff.
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Speaker 4: Oh, you're going to love the chat with RJ Young, Fox Sports College football writer. Oklahoma guy, so the Arch Manning stuff gets interesting. But before we get to the chat with RJ, thrilling World Series game. Just when you think the Brewers are on the doorstep of the sweep and becoming World Series champs with a home run and extra innings, the Tampa Bay Rays answer with four straight singles. And end up taking down the Brewers. 4-3.
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Speaker 2: Pretty fun game. And a great sign-off. We will see you later tonight.
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Speaker 4: Because it ended 12.30 Eastern Standard Time.
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Speaker 2: The Rays live to fight another day.
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Speaker 4: And as many people noted on social media right after it happened. You know, the Yankees were up 3-0. And the Red Sox won Game 4. And I'm just going to put that out there with a walk-off ending. Obviously, nobody thinks the Rays could come back with three more.
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Speaker 2: But anything is possible. It was a thrilling game. It was fun, exciting. Chopper down the right line, and Tampa Bay goes crazy.
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Speaker 4: Congratulations, Rays. You extended the season. And game five is tonight. There was actually some big news in the NBA last night, just terrible news. Anthony Edwards, who's with the Wolves, is off to a hot start, is going to have to miss at least two months. So we'll see you in February, if you want to be realistic. He needed an arthroscopic procedure on his right knee.
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Speaker 1: Terrible.
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Speaker 2: So it's weird.
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Speaker 4: He was questionable going into that game Monday against the Cavs. Second night of a back-to-back.
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Speaker 2: Played 41 minutes. Game one overtime and he had 47. Okay.
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Speaker 4: Again, I'm not saying, I know that there's no data that says back to back to the end of the world, but for Ant to do that. And then after the monster game say, yeah, I don't know. This is a knee problem. Now last season he had an issue and missed, uh, I think nine games down the stretch. Uh, and he could not go in the playoffs when he had the knee injury.
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Speaker 2: So, I don't know.
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Speaker 4: This is not great news for Anthony Edwards. I mean, the Wolves are off to a great start, and we need our stars healthy. Ant and LaMelo are absolutely cooking. They're a fun watch. Ant is 25, just turned 25 years old. So, I mean, it seems crazy that you're going to get right knee surgery and be back in, like, 10 weeks. I mean, let's just call it conservatively. He'll be back after the All-Star break. So... I believe the Wolves are on Christmas Day. I'll check that real quick. The Wolves are, no, Christmas Day. Who do we got on Christmas?
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Speaker 2: It's just so hard to instantly.
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Speaker 4: Get NBA schedules. Christmas Day schedule, 2026 NBA. And according to the Google machine, yep, Wolves Nuggets, the nightcap. So no Ant Edwards for that one. I'm not going to get into the Jokic stuff. A lot of, oh my gosh, Jokic has lost a step. Let's settle down, folks. Settle down. All right, without further ado, let's get to our guest, RJ Young of Fox Sports.
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Speaker 1: Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes to sports.
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Speaker 4: I know what sports fans want.
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Speaker 1: But for everything he doesn't, he knows a guy who does.
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Speaker 2: Let's just say I know a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy.
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Speaker 4: We have a special guest on today's podcast. I work with this guy at Fox. He is a boy. He loves stirring the pot. Nobody better on college football than RJ Young. RJ, how you doing, my man?
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Speaker 2: I'm good, J-Mac. Yes, I have my spoon out, double-double, cauldron bubble. Let's get it.
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Speaker 4: It's so funny because you know, oh, I don't know if you know, I'm a huge proponent of the 2014 playoff, and I saw that you put out a hypothetical bracket and Fox College Football posted it, and all these guys are worked up. I saw this, and RJ, I got so excited for next season. Obviously, I'm excited for the 12-team playoff. That's going to be good. But next year... some of these matchups in the 2014 playoff. Let's just start here. Where do you stand on the 2014 playoff? And what's your sentiment talking to folks in college football?
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Speaker 2: I actually started writing about this last year. As soon as the Big Ten started to populate this idea, actually talking with my bosses at Fox is like, I really love this. And I come from a long line of expand the playoffs. As a matter of fact, I used to wear a T-shirt. That said, expand the playoff, you cowards. And this is when we still had four teams, right? So we finally get to 12. I'm like, okay, cool. I'll take what I get. But I always wanted a 24-team playoff because everybody that should get in does get in. It's changed flavors, right? We're going to get so many teams in from the autonomous four, right? The power four. Now we are just giving one auto bid to basically the top team in each one of the Power Four conferences, plus a G6 spot to the highest ranked G6 team, and then everybody else is in that large bid. But this incorporates a couple of things that I really love. One, a postseason, hello, that cares about who the champ is. Every other major sport got one. We're the only one that doesn't have one. We seem to want to argue about this more than we want the scoreboard to tell a story. That's what I want. Number two is home games, dog. College football's home environment is undefeated. Greatest ever in any sport. Better than NFL, for sure.
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Speaker 4: Very much so. NFL has good,
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but this is better. There's no question.
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Speaker 2: I got to see this at Oklahoma. Last year, Alabama comes in, beats Oklahoma in hostile territory in a raucous environment. Called it the most embarrassing loss in state's history because it was. Same year the Thunder went... win the NBA title. Y'all can't win the first home playoff game. Okay, fine, whatever. But you're going to have more of that. You're going to, and more importantly for this 2014, as I talked to other people, what they are most excited about is it's one thing to get the buy. If you are one of the top eight scenes, it's another thing to get that home game. Everybody wants to play a playoff game at home. And now you're given incentive to be in one of the top 16 teams because you're guaranteed at least one opportunity to play at home. And I love that.
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Speaker 4: What I don't like is the argument about, oh, well, if you expand a 24, the regular season means less. So I hear that a lot, RJ. And then I try to pin them down. What do you mean means less? Like, how do you what do you mean? Because I watched BYU Notre Dame and that was maybe the greatest game in home BYU history. It was incredible.
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame lost.
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Speaker 4: Are you saying in a 2014 playoff it would mean less to whom? Certainly not everybody in the stadium. Certainly not everybody watching. The TV number was astronomical. Fans everywhere got what they wanted. Who does it mean less to? And when you try to pin guys down on that, like what does that mean? There really isn't a clear-cut answer. Because honestly, if you want to say, what did that game mean, RJ? BYU lost a week later. Miami plays Notre Dame in a week. Every week means something. It just doesn't mean everything.
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Speaker 2: It's a very good point, and it's one for which they don't really have a good argument except how we feel. And I think, J-Mac, you'll probably appreciate this. Whereas the NFL is a little bit more analytical in its thinking and business-minded. I mean, fans, right? They understand. Like, blackout games that don't sell out. That's not something we do in college, right? We should, but we don't, right?
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Speaker 1: How we feel.
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Speaker 2: Goes a long way. So many people rank the teams based on how good they look to them. Right. As opposed to what their record might be or what their injury situation might be. Like I like to do my top 25 so that I can tell you an entire story throughout the entire year. I can tell you where the matchup was. I can tell you why this team is ranked ahead of this team. and they're all talking to each other. It's actually really difficult to do, especially as we get to this time of year and you have so many upsets. But what they really aren't ready for is, dog, we are so used to only having so many games. Like we just expanded to everybody plays 12 games 20 years ago, right? It was 10, it was 11, sometimes it was 12, and then you played the bowl game. So the idea of playing 13 or more just kind of grates on the old school's nerves because they've never seen that before. And now you're playing 16, 17 games in a season, And I think they don't want it to look like the NFL. And that is really underneath all of it when they're saying all the games mean something. No, an FCS team playing a power 14 doesn't mean diddly squad. They're paying for that game. Now, this is interesting about our sport. The SEC is playing a nine game schedule, which makes them play the same number of conference games as the Big Ten, the ACC and the Big 12. And they're seeing more losses for it.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And now you're getting to that point where you're going, if we did not have to play this many games, more of our teams would get in. It's like, actually, no, we like it this way. I love watching these matches. Dude, J-Mac, do you realize that a couple weeks ago we had– we're down– oh, no, this week we're down to three undefeated teams.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: 138 we started with. First time that's happened since 1977. I love that because I can't tell you who's going to win the national championship. And I think that that should make this season that much more entertaining.
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Speaker 4: And then the pushback on that is, well, but what if somebody wins who's not good? Time out.
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Speaker 2: Like, we got.
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Speaker 4: Wildcard teams winning the Super Bowl frequently. Not frequently, but it happens. Maybe some teams, given the transfer portal, coaching changes, blah, blah, blah, they get better throughout the season. This enables you to, hey, you lose once, twice, three times. It's not the end of the world. It's not a death sentence, nor should it be.
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 4: Like, Alabama, in your hypothetical scenario, 2014 bracket, Alabama's the nine seed. They would play Boise. They've already got two losses. You look down, LSU's 19. Here's the thing on LSU. If you look at this ESPN, what's it called? ESPN SP plus. It has LSU as the fourth best team in the country. Top five in offense and defense. But because they didn't take care of business, RJ, in the 2014 playoff, they're going to have to go on the road, as of now, to BYU.
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Speaker 2: Are they winning in BYU?
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Speaker 4: Because you didn't take care of business. Then you've got to go on the road to Georgia like it's a tough road to hope. But to me, that means every game is going to mean something.
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Speaker 2: And guess what?
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Speaker 4: We might have a great team. Like, I don't know if LSU's great. We might have a really good team in a bad seed, make a huge run, which I think is great for the sport.
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Speaker 2: I don't think you're wrong. I think the only thing that would upset people is the idea of a group of six making this run. Now, what people generally like to point to is the NCAA
tournament, and I don't really think that's a good comp.
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Speaker 4: I don't either, yeah.
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Speaker 2: The 16 is not going to win the national championship, 16 seed. It's not happening, right? We don't expect it to happen. That's why we were so uproarious a few years ago when a 16 finally beat a one, right? In our sport, we understand that a G16 probably isn't winning a national championship. And you know what? So do they. But just getting them into the playoff to upset the rest has been such a an accelerant like put another way james madison made the college football playoff after being an fcs team three years ago right meanwhile sc can't make the college football playoff can't make the college football playoff wisconsin i mean like what i'm saying is like teams that you expect to be good better than james madison can't get there and now it is important to everybody because we all understand what just being in that playoff can do for you in the next.
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Speaker 4: Year 100% agree. So let's quickly look at the number one team in college football right now, and that's the Miami Hurricanes. RJ, in this SP +, again, I don't know where you fall on the advanced stats. Miami is listed as fifth. Obviously, the A's is a juggernaut. They haven't played a damn soul. I mean, I'm looking at zero-ranked opponents. Clemson stinks. It's not their fault. FSU's not very good. They barely beat them. And I will point out, Ohio State has had to go on the road and play three ranked teams, two in the top 10, at Texas, at Iowa, at Indiana. So for my money, I wouldn't even have Miami number one right now. I know they're undefeated, haven't beaten anybody. Would you have Miami? Do you think Miami's the best team in the country? That's a different question, but.
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Speaker 2: I think they are a great placeholder for the number one team in the country. The reason I say that is you would be right except for one wild card. The quarterback at Ohio State is out for the rest of the season. So we get to find out if Ohio State is a top five team against SC this weekend with a backup quarterback. That's one. Two is Miami feels to me a lot like Indiana felt last year, man. We were having the same conversation. We're like, I don't know how good this team is. They don't really play anybody. Yes, but they are beating the hell out of everybody. And then they get scared.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Penn State scared Indiana. But it was in November and we're like, oh, OK. All right. And then Miami got scared against Florida State winning double overtime.
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Speaker 1: They're similar.
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Speaker 2: They got a great quarterback play. They got outstanding wide receiver play. They got a running back that can carry the load and they got a defense that holds up their end. I often say this too. They're a great placeholder because we got this thing called a playoff now. So it's in an era maybe 40 years ago, we'd all vote Miami being the
number one team and they win the national championship because that's our vote. Now they actually got to prove that. And that's why I think this is cool. Yes, they're the one now, but I call this forgetting week because you will look up, like think about this, Kentucky and UCLA are top 10 teams. Will both of them be top 10 teams at the end of the season?
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 4: Are you sure about UCLA?
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Speaker 2: I'm sure that both of these teams won't.
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Speaker 4: Be top 10 teams.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.
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Speaker 4: I like that. I like that.
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Speaker 2: That's where I'm at, right? But you look up and down that order, it will change. Just take a look at what week seven or week eight was last year, right? The staying power is still at the top. Number one, number two, number three, number four, number five generally stay the same. So for now, again, Miami is a great placeholder for number one. They get an opportunity to prove that over the next three months.
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Speaker 4: So, Ohio State, the given dream. So, where does that, does that mean, for your money, Georgia's maybe the best team in the country right now? They did, after the Alabama Luck Box win, and I.
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Speaker 4: Because the week after they lose to Auburn at home and, and Georgia has to tussle with Florida, not going to be up followed by a trip to, is it Stark Vegas?
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Speaker 2: Ole Miss?
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Speaker 4: No, no, that's not Starkville.
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Speaker 2: That's Oxford.
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Speaker 4: And then, and then they have Missouri, which isn't a pushover. So who do you have right now?
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Speaker 1: Georgia.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Georgia. Okay.
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Speaker 2: So Florida doesn't know who their starting quarterback is because they're Starter is hurt. Also, the injuries to the quarterback position just ravaged the sport, which is important, right? Because the injury outcome has, or the injury has had more to do with the outcome this year because we have just one bye week as opposed to two last year. That's one. Two is, Kamario Taylor's not at Mississippi State anymore. He shut it down for the year. That's a win. Missouri is fun because Ahmad Hardy actually practiced this week. And going into this year, I would have said that's the best tailback in the country. And Jamal Roberts has had back-to-back 200-yard rushing yard performances. Only thing that would scare me about Georgia, the loss they had to Auburn, a lot of things had to go wrong for Georgia and right for Auburn. One of them is Gunter Stockton put the ball on the floor with an opportunity to just go down the field, kick a field goal at worst, and win the game at best. I don't think that's happening again because that team is built around running the ball and playing defense. On the Alabama PI call, it doesn't matter. And the reason it doesn't matter is because you had an undisciplined player create an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that took you out of range.
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's right. Yeah, that also was a factor.
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Speaker 2: That's also been a big deal this year for me. I'm watching stupid happen. I hate watching stupid happen. I want players to be great.
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Speaker 4: Well, they're college kids. Come on.
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Speaker 2: You say that, but J-Mac, J-Mac.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I know I made a lot of mistakes in college.
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Speaker 2: At 21 and $ 3 million a year? I don't give a damn.
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Speaker 4: The guy who committed the PI is making $ 3 million?
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Speaker 2: No. No, no, no.
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, not the PI, the personal foul.
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Speaker 2: No, personal foul. When I look this up. Do we have that? It's told the range between, hold on.
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Speaker 4: He's probably a $ 1 million guy.
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Speaker 2: No, no, six-figure guy. Still, six-figure guy. Mid-six figures. That's what I was told. 400 to 700. Point there is, do you get fined for that? Right?
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Speaker 4: By the team?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. How are you going to make it up to your teammates?
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Speaker 4: It's a mistake.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: That's harsh, man. That is cold blooded.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess he is making a lot of money.
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Speaker 2: You know, you step into the Fox.
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Speaker 4: I don't think they find you. It's a, I know if I screw up and say a curse for it on air, then I got to find me.
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Speaker 2: No, but if you are doing something that is detrimental to the bottom line, which is what a loss to Georgia is. Yeah. I mean, there, there are locks away from being a three loss team again, which means that they made it last year as a three loss team. But do you want to be in that spot?
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Speaker 4: No, it's not. It's not ideal. But wait, do you think we're actually headed there?
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Speaker 2: I think we're going.
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Speaker 4: To see teams who are paying guys six figures, seven figures, find them. Like if a quarterback has a Carson Beck has a four interception game. Do you find him? I cannot.
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Speaker 2: That's a fascinating discussion. I can't see it, but I could definitely see it. There are built in fines for you being stupid. Like George has got a speeding problem.
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Speaker 1: Okay, no, that's different.
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Speaker 4: That's legal is different than like on the football field.
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Speaker 2: But if you are making those sorts of mistakes, like unsportsmanlike conduct penalties that are detrimental to your team is a finable offense because that's something within your control, right?
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Speaker 4: Maybe if you lay down the law at the beginning of the season, if you commit after the
whistle, you will be fined $ 5, 000, whatever the number is.
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Speaker 2: I mean, and I think you have to. I mean, think about it another way. That's interesting. We had the hit on Dante Moore. For me, that's a finable offense and a suspension. You know what you're doing and you know that it's wrong. And if the consequence is simply you're hurting us because you don't get to play because you got ejected for targeting, we got to make sure that this doesn't happen again. And what is the best way to curb bad behavior, especially in football, right? You have to be able to get on the break when it's time to get on the break. One of my favorite things to watch in a football game is Two guys that are going at it hear a whistle and stop immediately, right? Like they are punching each other and then you hear a whistle, stop, go back to your huddle, whatever. I think that's where we're at. You are too refined as a football player and you are at a place where college is the end, right? We used to play this game to get to the NFL. Now this is the end met because you can't clear a million games.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting.
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Speaker 1: Hold on.
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Speaker 4: I have one more thought. I do want to take this toward the USC Oregon thing you mentioned, but let me ask. So like a late hit on a quarterback, right? I don't know that you're going to find somebody for that. Maybe the coach wants to, hey, we're tough, man. We're going to send messages. But if you're the offensive lineman, somebody decks your quarterback, you go drill them and get a 15-yarder. Maybe you get fined, but the quarterback says, I'm picking that one up because he had my back. Can you see that scenario?
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Speaker 2: Because that happens, I think, in the NFL, right? I think this is not hockey.
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Speaker 4: Somebody decks your quarterback after the whistle. I would hope that people are stepping up.
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Speaker 2: What do the referees usually do? They get the guy.
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Speaker 4: They get the second guy.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 4: But sometimes you still got to protect your guy.
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Speaker 2: I don't care if I'll get 15. And you are making a financial and business decision. Yeah. OK, like Julian saying gets knocked out of that game by an Indiana player on a like a savage hit. But it's legal. That was legal.
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Speaker 1: You know what?
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Speaker 2: But you know what I would like is for an Ohio State offensive lineman to take that out on the next guy that we call a snap for. Because if you got that kind of juice after a play, I need to see it every friggin time. You know, like I mean, Quentin Nelson makes news today because he gets traded because he's nasty. Yeah, you know, I don't I don't condone. getting a dude after you cheap shot at your dude, because I don't think you prove anything that way. Everybody saw the cheap shot. He's probably going to get fined anyway, because
we protect quarterbacks in the way that we protect quarterbacks. But I don't think this is hockey. I think that if a quarterback wants to pick up that tab, that's between him, that offensive lineman and their club.
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Speaker 4: However, and a 15 yarder would offset, you know.
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Speaker 2: Maybe, maybe, but what you're talking about, I think is pride, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And backing up your guy. I mean, somebody cheap shots your buddy at a bar. I mean, like, I think you got to get your guys back. And now if he did something stupid, that's a different story if he's popping off. But like, listen, this is uncharted territory.
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Speaker 2: It could go any way.
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Speaker 4: But to go back to Oregon USC. So that was a bit of a cheap shot. I didn't like how he celebrated after it and was like dancing around. That was dumb. But specific to Dante Moore. So this week, Oregon said we're shutting him down for the season. He could have been the number two pick in the draft. I think it was like $ 23 million guaranteed if you're the number two pick. Even if he fell to $ 8 million, $ 10 million, whatever, he's getting guaranteed big bucks. So he comes back to Oregon, and RJ, I think it was the Oklahoma State game, afterward the players were saying, oh yeah, he had a tell, we knew exactly what was coming, blah, blah, blah. Then he gets knocked out, bad concussion, out for close to a month, and now he's shut down. Did Dante Moore make a mistake coming back to school?
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Speaker 2: Go. Yes. I was critical of this move when he made it for one reason only. His draft stock could not go up. It could only go down. He was, for some people, QB1, let alone QB2, ahead of Fernando Mendoza to come out.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 2: That's one. Two is, knowing that this has happened, right, I would think me, business decision, you go into the NFL next year. because the reason he wanted to come back is to win a national championship at oregon well that's out the window right and you don't know what's coming back next year if you do because you fire the offensive coordinator andrew merringer which is a first for dan lanning yeah and that is one of the best jobs in all of football to be the oc at oregon has been for 20 years you don't know what you're going to have at wide receiver evan stewart you think it's gone that's why receiver one but If you can hold on to those other four, that's a big ask. Will the offensive line be there? Will the run game be there? And who's the new frigging coordinator? These are all questions I have. But mostly it is, if you come back and you love Oregon that much, what's to say this doesn't happen again? You can get hurt. We've seen the hit you took. It's on tape. We know what that means for a quarterback who has to use his brain more than anybody else on a football field. If you take another injury that knocks you out for the season, what does that do to your
long-term plan? to play in the NFL because we would all like to see him get drafted in the first round. How many rounds do you fall? And if you fall so far, when's the first time you get to see a football field? Like this is my question around like the Shadur Sanders part of this. If Shadur was the first round pick, he'd been playing starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns a long time ago. I don't want to see that happen to Dante Moore. I want to see him get to the NFL, have a long career and have fun playing the game. Because if he comes back next year, the best he can do is win a national championship and be QB1 on the board. It's probably still a good chance to be QB1, QB2, QB3 on the board this year. Just won't have the national championship.
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Speaker 4: Interesting you say qb3 i don't know again everybody's just throwing against the wall right now and speculation drew mess to maker who by the way did not take a snap in high school football and is that johnny come lately.
00:24:51
Speaker 2: Offered on tape dude offered on tape.
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Speaker 4: Yeah everybody loves as you know rj the less tape there is there's less to scrutinize oh mess to maker looks great i mean they're whatever um Trinidad Chambliss is getting some love. I don't personally see it. Obviously, great, great legendary college football player. And then there's Arch Manning, who you know well as an Oklahoma guy. Mateer, your Oklahoma guy, has been up and down. There's some love for Mensah, although he's really untested, and there's a whiff of Cam Ward there. Where are you on these quarterbacks? More, I think we agree, is going to slide how far we don't know. But I don't know. It's late October, and we don't have any certainty on the quarterback situation.
00:25:32
Speaker 2: I have certain who I would take, right? Arch has got all the talent in the world, and we see that, but he ain't been able to put it together, which makes him a lot like Marshall Reed at Texas A & M. No, seriously, like dead ass. Like he has tremendous ability. Like it's intoxicating what he can do. But if you can't string it together, you're no good to me. You're Anthony Richards, right? The style of you, Lenore Sellers. If you can't string what you have together, I can't play you because the bare minimum, you got to take care of the football. And he can't do that consistently yet. As much as I want him to be good. He's a first round talent. He's just not playing like one. The guy that I'm going to tell everybody, I'm going to go get is Trinidad Chambliss.
00:26:15
Speaker 1: Wow.
00:26:16
Speaker 2: The reason I'm going to go get Trinidad Chambliss is he is the closest thing to Jalen Brunson we have in this sport. Under two minutes left to go, he wants the ball and he's going to do something with it. He ain't going to put it on the floor like Gunnar Stockton or Arch Manning. He's not going to throw it to other people. He's going to look at you and say, cool. I ain't got no timeouts. That's
fine. I'll make a play. And does. When everybody knows you got to throw the ball, he's throwing it. He's throwing darts. He wants it. And he's a winner. Like, people forget this. He won championships at Ferris State, right? And then he takes over at Ole Miss. And he leads them to the freaking college football playoff. And, oh, by the way, they're not just happy to be there. They beat Georgia. They were this close to beating Miami because of him. If you're looking for a winner who can also move around, I love a quarterback who can take care of himself and can throw a football and is going to be a great CEO of your franchise, look at that dude at Ole Miss right now. He's a little bit older than you would like. But if I'm looking for a dude that's going to go get me a bucket when I got to have a bucket, that is the only quarterback playing college football today that I trust.
00:27:23
Speaker 4: So I had to look up his age. Is he 24? Yeah, he's 24. He just turned 24 in August. So before the 2027 season starts, he's 25. Listed at six feet. Have you ever stood next to him? I don't know how close you've been.
00:27:36
Speaker 2: I have not. Okay.
00:27:37
Speaker 4: It sounds like he's closer to 5'10. And maybe height doesn't matter, but when you look at some of these quarterback spray charts, Jalen Hurts, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, they historically have not thrown the ball over the middle of the field. which makes them a little more predictable. But Chambliss, I mean, he's not quite Tommy Frazier. Are you old enough to have seen Tommy Frazier?
00:27:59
Speaker 2: I'm old enough to have seen Tommy Frazier.
00:28:00
Speaker 4: Okay, so Tommy Frazier, legendary. Oh my gosh, that guy was just unstoppable. I mean, I guess Tebow's in that category.
00:28:10
Speaker 2: Hold on, time out, time out. You just talked about two quarterbacks that primarily run the football.
00:28:15
Speaker 4: Chambliss does throw more than them, yes.
00:28:17
Speaker 2: And Tommy never does the football.
00:28:18
Speaker 4: From just a making plays, you know?
00:28:21
Speaker 2: Tommy never ran the football. They ran triple option. You know what I mean? Eric Crouch. You know what I'm saying? I guess the point that I would raise here is yours is correct.
00:28:29
Speaker 4: Frazier never threw.
00:28:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right about them throwing over the middle.
00:28:33
Speaker 1: Right?
00:28:34
Speaker 2: That's a real thing. And we've seen how that phenomenon works out. If that is where you want to cap it and say we can't have a guy that we don't trust to throw over the middle as often as we would like, then sure. Absolutely. However... Would I rather have a guy that knows where he's got to go with the football and be accurate or a guy that, you know, might develop? Like, this is my whole Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen thing, man. Coming out of college, neither one of those dudes was anybody to me. Josh Allen was like 59% completions, right? They were flawed, right? They were tremendously flawed, but the tools were always there. And that is why guys like Arch Manning are always going to be at the top of the list. The reason that a guy like Dante Moore might get in front of them is because cerebrally, he's already there. Now, they had tells for the offense, but they didn't have tells for Dante Moore, right? Even if they did, he's accurate with the ball. He doesn't turn the ball over and he is playing to his ability like he's putting it all together. That has been really cool to see. And if I can see more of that from these uber talented quarterbacks, then yeah, they're going to be first round draft picks. They might still be because again, Josh Allen, he exists. A dude I never thought would turn the corner becomes what I'm going to ask you because you watch way more NFL than I do is that the second best quarterback in the NFL the best quarterback.
00:29:48
Speaker 4: I think he's probably the best Allen's the best right now I would say.
00:29:51
Speaker 2: There you go. So if you trust yourself to mature guy, then you need to go get Arch Manning or you need to go get Drew Mestemaker or whomever, right? That has all those measurables that you want.
00:30:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, 100%. I'm with you on Arch as the guy. All right, let's quickly buzz through this Saturday's slate. So Arizona, Texas Tech, Texas Tech coming off the loss. I haven't followed Arizona as closely. Is this going to be competitive?
00:30:13
Speaker 2: Yes, very much so. Noah Fafita is a dude. He's another one of these short guys that throws the ball all over the yard. He's a lot of fun. If he's playing high caliber football, they'll be competitive.
00:30:24
Speaker 4: Wisconsin off the huge win over USC at Iowa, two five and two teams. I mean, I guess you could make the case this is an elimination game. I suppose you could. Wisconsin kind of in the mix. They have some work to do, but can't lose this game, right?
00:30:39
Speaker 2: I don't think either one of them can, but it's going to be a rock fight. Like Wisconsin won that game against SC by playing the best defensive game anybody's ever played against Lincoln Riley, which ought to terrify anybody else they play. However, Iowa's a totally different football team. They run the ball. They like a low scoring game. So does Wisconsin for that matter. So which defense can get the most takeaways? is going to be the one that wins the game and certainly play themselves out of the college football playoff.
00:31:00
Speaker 4: Total open 39 and a half down to 36 and a half. That is disgusting. Take the under. I probably would. SEC is loaded. Florida, Georgia, you touched on the quarterback situation for the Gators. It's spicy. The only reason I think they can hang is they just keep it on the ground and keep UGA's offense off the field, and maybe you can make it interesting. The number says otherwise, 11 and a half.
00:31:29
Speaker 2: You and I are chess players. Love the game. They're playing
the game without their bishop, their light squared bishop in Vernell Brown. They're Florida. And you don't know what the hell you're going to get out of your dark squared bishop, which is Jaden Ball. And your queen is hurt, right? Aaron Filo is either hurt or Tramell Jones is coming in. So you're already playing down to a much more talented football team. It's a very narrow window for which you can win the game. So right now, play for the draw, right? Play for the draw and then see what you got in the fourth quarter. Because if you can keep the game to one score, anything can happen. But if I'm Georgia, all I'm going to do is lean on you and see if you crumble.
00:32:06
Speaker 4: And you probably will. Can Belichick make it interesting against the Canes? They are over two touchdown underdogs at home.
00:32:14
Speaker 2: Ooh.
00:32:16
Speaker 4: Yes is there a world where miami's looking ahead that's what i'm.
00:32:19
Speaker 2: Saying yes is the answer that yes is the question is the answer because.
00:32:23
Speaker 4: Oh i'm sorry that game is yeah that's next week it's next week at notre dame i i.
00:32:27
Speaker 2: Love what chris has been able to do with the defense it's more like can notre dame get something out of cj car when they force him to throw the ball because that was the thing that happened against byu like they great defense game plan against them can you employ that if you're miami and then If you're Dane, can you stop Malachi Tony from doing anything at all? Like UNC's got to play them this weekend. And I'm really interested because Bill Belichick's great at putting together defenses. And he's had Randy Moss. Okay, now you get to try to stop one of our Randy Mosses. Like Jeremiah Smith's really that guy, but Malachi Tony's right there. They can do it, but I'm probably still going to pick Miami to go in there and get a win against Notre Dame.
00:33:04
Speaker 4: We won't touch on Texas because the Mississippi State quarterback's out. That's three touchdowns. Finally, can Lincoln Riley save his job against Julian Sands' backup?
00:33:13
Speaker 2: He's got to win.
00:33:14
Speaker 4: A 30-27 loss I don't think saves his job.
00:33:17
Speaker 2: If they had not lost to Wisconsin, I would say pick them. But they lost to Wisconsin.
00:33:22
Speaker 4: What were they looking ahead to this game? Yeah, college kids, not dialed in.
00:33:28
Speaker 2: Given that they couldn't run the ball, 40 yards from running backs, negative 17 rush yards. given that they couldn't throw the ball. I was in shock, honestly, because Mike Trestle is the only dude I've ever seen have Lincoln Riley dialed in like that. He had everything. The reason that I think you could have hope if you're an SC fan is Riley is a great offensive coordinator. He got caught out against Wisconsin. Maybe you can change that. Gary Patterson is a great defensive coordinator, but we haven't seen his best stuff. And since he's come back, he's looked pedestrian. They're giving up
23, 24 points a game. You're not gonna be able to do that against Ohio State, even with a backup quarterback. You're going to have to get otherworldly play out of the defense. I'm not worried about the offense. Yeah, they crapped the bed against Wisconsin. But I'm more concerned that Ohio State will be able to run the ball and you won't be able to force that backup quarterback to make throws. And if that's the case, then that's a loss, man. And then we're talking about what does the rest of USC's schedule look feel like, look like, seven and five, and then we're having a different conversation about Lincoln Riley.
00:34:28
Speaker 4: You start worrying about recruiting classes.
00:34:31
Speaker 2: What do you know?
00:34:31
Speaker 4: Have you seen Luke Fahey? Is he going to be the guy?
00:34:33
Speaker 2: Did he beat out... Tatian Sinclair. It feels that way. Like, they left the door open. Talking about, you know, Tatian's playing himself back in, but preseason camp, he's pretty adamant that Fahey was the guy. He was QB2. And I think it's very simple. One guy, five-star, has a tremendously high ceiling. Another guy has a low ceiling, but a high floor. You want to play the quarterback that ain't going to throw the ball to other people, ain't going to put the ball on the floor. Use the offense. Run the ball. Throw the ball to Jeremiah Smith on quick.
00:35:03
Speaker 4: Game, quick out.
00:35:04
Speaker 2: Make that work. I think if Tabian St. Clair was a little bit better at taking care of the football, mastery of the offense, we'd see him because you could see it there. Kind of like we did with Faison Branding getting the true freshman starting quarterback job at Tennessee. They end up replacing him with George McIntyre. I think we're going to see Fahey on Saturday. And I hope, I hope they test him. USC. I'd blitz the hell out of him. Send five, send six. See if he can handle it.
00:35:27
Speaker 4: It looks like he was in high school last year out here in California. The other kid is a redshirt freshman. So you're right. They're the opposite. Six foot four, big 230 kid, St.
00:35:36
Speaker 2: Clair.
00:35:36
Speaker 4: And the other one's 5'11, 205. So it's smart of Ryan Day to keep the door open. Hey, prepare for both of them.
00:35:43
Speaker 2: Interesting.
00:35:43
Speaker 4: I hope USC wins it just to make it interesting. But I do want to see Jeremiah Smith in the playoff. He's obviously great.
00:35:50
Speaker 2: You're still keen. Two losses. Well, they might lose another, right?
00:35:55
Speaker 4: Actually, I should probably check the rest of the schedule before I say that. But yeah, I don't think anybody's a lock for 12. Is three losses going to do it this year? Last year, different story.
00:36:07
Speaker 2: If we think you're good.
00:36:08
Speaker 4: They still have Michigan. They should win. No, they should get there.
00:36:12
Speaker 1: Oregon.
00:36:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Oregon game is not good anymore, right?
00:36:15
Speaker 4: Northwestern, they should win.
00:36:17
Speaker 2: That actually is a sneaky good game. That's a sneaky game. In the chute? Chip's doing some cool things down there. You should pay attention to them just a little bit. They're one in the wing T, man.
00:36:26
Speaker 4: Hey, two wing T references in the podcast. Nobody had that one on their bingo card. RJ Young, Fox College Football. Great stuff as always. RJ, thanks a lot, man.
00:36:37
Speaker 2: Thanks, J-Mac. I had a good time.