Full Transcript for Looking into the History

yeah, And it's funny because like the last episode, 40 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:29.159 we were just talking about how I'm like the newest 41 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:33.000 member and it's been close to five years now that 42 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:34.039 have been part. 43 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:36.439 Of the grobe, and it's like you're like sitting here 44 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:38.240 talking about being a nubie and I'm like, girl. 45 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:42.479 And I'm like, you're better right now. 46 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:46.039 Yeah, it's been five years because I checked the certificate 47 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:48.680 when I went to your class and it was almost 48 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:52.919 five years ago. Yeah, yes, because I think October, whenever 49 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:54.919 you offered, it would have been five years. 50 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:57.960 Yeah, so I need to offer that class again. 51 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:01.439 But it led to leading to and you know, meeting 52 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:02.240 cool people. 53 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:05.199 Absolutely, we do meet a lot of cool people. 54 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:10.400 But anyways, yeah, and. 55 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:14.159 Allison got a really cool camera and trying to get 56 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.319 her to talk about and maybe do a little video 57 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:21.719 on so then I can post it on the socials 58 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:25.520 as she she demos it. But it is a really 59 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:29.719 cool camera, like I don't know, twirls around. 60 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:35.319 It's for the camera people. It's just an Ozma dj 61 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:36.960 I Ozmo pocket three. 62 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:37.840 So it's a. 63 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:41.400 I like how we're talking about that. I say a 64 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:42.919 bunch of things and you have no idea what it 65 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:44.240 is when it comes to cameras. 66 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:46.120 But I'm looking forward to learning though. 67 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:49.879 I'm just sitting here across the table nodding and smiling. 68 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:51.599 It's almost like a gobro. 69 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:53.719 It's I think it's better. 70 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:57.759 Yeah, yeah, it's not as like stationary. Yeah, it's a 71 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.240 three access camera towards. 72 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.439 Understand free access. So that hey, that's going to be exciting. 73 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:13.000 Yeah So okay, Well anyway, anyway onward, So just going. 74 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:16.560 To start things out here, Georgina, if you could just 75 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:19.959 tell us a bit about yourself and what really got 76 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.120 you hooked on history. 77 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:29.480 Oh wow, Hi, I'm Georgina. I've been investigating paranormal for 78 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:34.839 I honestly don't closer to twenty than ten years. I 79 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:40.920 think we're probably in the sixteen seventeen year range. I've 80 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.240 always been interested in things that you couldn't really see. 81 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:48.439 Had one of the typical experiences as a kid and 82 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:50.360 had kind of forgotten about it and then got back 83 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:55.319 involved in it, and so the what come he hooked 84 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.920 on the history part of it was Actually that was 85 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:03.040 part of why I'm to do paranormal is because there's 86 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:07.199 so much that goes on that is historical, and with 87 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:12.040 history you can debunk things that are just pure bs, 88 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:16.920 or you can actually find newspaper articles substantiating what you're 89 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:22.839 picking up on and things like that. The first incident 90 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:27.279 that really got me hooked on paranormal and history connection 91 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:31.920 was we were actually in Granbury. I was with a 92 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:37.240 previous group that didn't last long. Get into that eventually 93 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:40.120 at some point, but those are reason groups don't stay 94 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:42.439 together for twenty or thirty years for the most part. 95 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:46.439 And we were investigating the nuthouse there in Granberry. 96 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:48.720 Oh, they rebuilt the nuthouse. 97 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.040 I have to go back to the nut House and 98 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:52.519 activity is still there. 99 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:55.000 Is it really the Nutthouse. 100 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:55.839 And the new Nuthouse? 101 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:02.519 Yeah, it's a hotel laughing. 102 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:07.160 It's a little hotel bed and breakfast downtown Granberry on 103 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:10.639 the square across from the historic Hood County Jail, which 104 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:16.600 is also extremely active. And wow, that particular weekend we 105 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.839 had so much activity back and forth, we rented the 106 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:24.319 entire airbnb. I guess technically it was a bed and 107 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:29.399 breakfast whatever for that whole weekend. And the first night 108 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:34.800 we're there, we're upstairs, we're in one of the rooms 109 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:41.319 and I have an STD Spirit Communication, the STD one, 110 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:46.240 which is a software program for communication, and I had 111 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:50.480 just built a portal. If you're familiar with Steve Hoff, 112 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:54.079 he's the one that created this portal. He finds that 113 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:58.959 it helps clearer communication, all that good stuff. So I'm 114 00:06:58.959 -->

00:07:02.600 trying that out with the CD one and we're doing 115 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:08.040 an EVP session, dowsing and all of that, and someone 116 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:13.040 asks the question. I can't honestly remember the exact question 117 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:16.000 because we are talking about fifteen sixteen minute. 118 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:19.079 While ago has been a little bit, and all of 119 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:22.639 a sudden, through the portal on the SCD one combination 120 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:29.279 clear as day, you hear an older gentleman holler. 121 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:34.319 Mabel as in like are you here? Where are you? 122 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:37.680 That kind of voice, and it was like everyone at 123 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:40.120 the table was kind of like wow, because that was 124 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:44.480 our first time using that particular combination and that was cool. 125 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:46.759 But you know, it could have been anything. As far 126 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:49.160 as I knew at that point, I'm still pretty skeptical, 127 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:54.759 and so I start doing the research on it. Come 128 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:58.439 to find out there was a lady in Granberry whose 129 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:03.120 first name was Mabel. She was close friends with Miss Nutt, 130 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:08.000 who is the great great great niece of the original 131 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:11.680 owners and builders of the hotel. In fact, that hotel 132 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:16.839 had been under the same family management up until two 133 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:18.079 years ago when. 134 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:19.600 This new renovated. 135 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:25.959 When they renovated, and Miss Nutt and Mabel were heavily 136 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:30.439 involved in the historic preservation society there in Granberry and 137 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:36.639 they are almost single handedly responsible for turning Granberry into 138 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:39.879 the historic tourist town that they have. And come to 139 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.960 find out, Mabel had also her husband was one of 140 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:49.360 the founding families and they had just renovated. Their family 141 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:52.279 home was a couple of blocks away, and so that 142 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:55.360 was pretty cool because you could actually document all of 143 00:08:55.399 --> 00:09:00.639 that information through newspaper articles and owner records and things 144 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:04.720 along those lines, and at that point all the dots 145 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:07.440 connected for me. And at that point it was like, 146 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.279 all right, from now on, I have this is my thing. 147 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:13.759 I'm going to see if I can actually figure this out. 148 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.759 This really is Mabel really was someone that would have 149 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.240 been there at the hotel often and lived just right 150 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.399 around the corner, and she had that connection with miss Nut. 151 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:27.240 And there we go. We had an answer to who 152 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:30.000 was Mabel because Mabel was not on our radar at 153 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.840 that point when we were doing our investigation. So yeah, 154 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:35.279 that's when the geek started the. 155 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:41.200 History nous. I'm still stuck on the nuthouse. 156 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:45.000 I heard this story and then it's like, oh, yeah, 157 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:48.440 the Nuts, and I'm like, I'm sorry, what. 158 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.879 The family? The Nut family was one of the original 159 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:54.440 founding families. 160 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:59.320 And they probably could have chosen a different name house, 161 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:02.919 but it's yeah, it's been a hotel that burned. It 162 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:06.519 burned down and then they rebuilt it. And I'm so 163 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:10.000 glad to hear that it's rebuilt because now Branberry is 164 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:13.639 not that far from you, and it's not far from 165 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:16.399 us here in a wago and that would be a 166 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:20.919 fun spot to hit and you know, maybe staved the 167 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:25.279 nut house and check out the jail. And you know, 168 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:30.080 Janet and I did an investigation at the jail a while. 169 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:34.679 Back, and it was it was disappointing. I'll just say that. 170 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:39.919 I will say that with mister Sutton's passing, it's the 171 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:44.120 quality of volunteers. Yes, that's not what it used to be. 172 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:46.759 There's a lot to be said for people who just 173 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:49.279 shut up during an investigation. 174 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:50.679 Thank you, thank you. 175 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.440 I'm trying to tread lightly here just in case they're 176 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:58.759 they're volunteers that could be listening to this. And you know, 177 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:02.559 I don't like the burn Bridge, but yeah, the particular 178 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:05.480 set of volunteers, you know, the babysitters. 179 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:06.720 And that's the other thing. 180 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:08.919 I mean, there's so many of these historical places that 181 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.320 you got to have a babysitter. 182 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:15.159 With you, and and some of the babysitters are are fine. 183 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:20.360 These these were nice folks, but they, yeah, they would 184 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:22.080 not shut up. 185 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:24.159 And it's such a tiny space. 186 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:27.440

Oh and they were downstairs and they were literally the 187 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:31.879 entire time yucking it up, just yucking it. 188 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:35.679 I think we will kind of experience that at our 189 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:42.919 favorite certain performance place, except where the babysitters and our 190 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:49.039 babysity's are not the most h queable. Yeah, yeah, we've 191 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:53.879 had that experience. I'll experience that in some form of fashion. 192 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:55.679 Yeah. 193 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:58.559 So yes, I would love all to say I would 194 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:03.240 love a redo of the jail because I understand that. Yeah, 195 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.080 it's really active and it's a cool little jail, and 196 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.240 to be able to get back in there it would 197 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:10.960 be really cool. 198 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:12.879 Maybe we need to do it on a weeknight. 199 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:14.480 Oh there we. 200 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:17.240 Go that option, just thinking out loud. 201 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:22.919 Yeah, we'll get you into the nuthouse and into the jail. 202 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:24.759 From the nuthouse to. 203 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.559 The jail adventure. 204 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:33.039 I love that. Oh you will. You will bring your 205 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:43.240 fancy camera. So okay, So moving on a long here, Georgina. 206 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:45.279 Maybe you can kind of tell us about some of 207 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:51.279 the historical records that you use and how they can 208 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:56.039 kind of help help you parse out or or you know, 209 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:59.960 support eye witness accounts or you know, because a lot 210 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.960 of these historical places too, they've got you know, legends 211 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:08.200 and stories that have just been told so many times 212 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:14.360 that it kind of becomes almost fact and so kind 213 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:16.399 of I guess kind of maybe just go through your 214 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:20.440 process of you know, what methods you use, and if 215 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:26.519 you have any examples of you know, situations where it's like, oh, yeah, 216 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.240 this this story has always been associated with this place, 217 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.399 but you know, historically, if we look at the records, 218 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:35.639 there was nobody that even existed. 219 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:38.360 That type of stuff. So, you know, just kind of 220 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:41.360 methods and examples. 221 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:46.559 If you've got any, and you know badly on a 222 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:50.440 scale of like one to ten, how important you think 223 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.000 understanding the history of the location is to your investigation. 224 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:57.440 Oh gosh, understanding the history of the location is number one. 225 00:13:57.919 --> 00:13:59.960 So that's like a number ten. 226 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:04.679 Big, yeah, plus, it's a ten plus for sure. There 227 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:07.600 have been so many urban legends and myths and just 228 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:13.360 flat out lies honestly debunked by historical documentation. And it 229 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.559 doesn't When I say historical, I'm not talking it has 230 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:19.240 to be from the fifteen hundreds or the seventeen hundreds. 231 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:24.320 I'm talking literally a newspaper article from last year can 232 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:28.360 debunk some of the stuff that we hear. But yeah, 233 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:33.799 history is so very important. And generally when I start out, 234 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:35.720 I know the location that we're going to be doing, 235 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:38.399 because we generally pick it now for the most part, 236 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:42.600 and so the first thing I'll do is a Google 237 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:46.559 search for sure and see what comes up, because there 238 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:50.159 might be more than one Lincoln Street cemetery, so let's 239 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.960 make sure we've got the bright one number one. So 240 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:57.919 Google is a great I get a lot of hassle, 241 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:03.279 but I will tell you Wikipedia is very useful, very useful. 242 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:07.799 I know sometimes it's I wouldn't necessarily cite it, right, 243 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:11.600 but if you're not familiar with a particular story or 244 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:14.679 a building and it's got this kind of history to it, 245 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:19.039 check it out on Wikipedia because you're going to find 246 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.480 information there that It's like getting a thumbnail under that 247 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:25.480 wallpaper strip and then you. 248 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:29.159 Can high like that that's really what it is known 249 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:30.440 there and it's. 250 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:35.000 Linked, so you know, you can follow those links and 251 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:39.639 get into more credible sources, if you will, more legitimate sources. 252 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:42.879 But Wikipedia is like a quick, easy dive, like the 253 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:48.399 cliff Notes version, if you will, So I use Wikipedia. 254 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:50.159 Those are usually my first I like to start out 255 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:55.080 with a general and then get specifica My next step 256 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:58.600 is generally, if I have an address, I'll hit the 257 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:04.600 CAD page, and that's the Central Appraisal District page for 258 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:10.000 the county of the

location and do a property search. 259 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.879 So if I'm looking up the Liberty Hotel, for instance, 260 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:17.519 including in Texas, I'll go to the Johnson County page 261 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:23.120 and pull up the CAD property search and pull up 262 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:28.480 that address, and that will show me the current ownership, 263 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:34.080 and depending on how many transactions, it will show me 264 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:39.000 back ten years worth of ownership. Generally, by doing that, 265 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.720 I can look at I can pull up that warranty 266 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:46.399 or the deed, and you find out very quickly is 267 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:50.720 it a warranty deed? I left all my deed notes 268 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.200 at home, but there's a lot of different types of deeds, 269 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:58.600 and so you can find out how that ownership changed hands. 270 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:05.160 Did Cindy by that property from Allison, or did somebody 271 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:08.519 die and just sign over the family signed over and 272 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:11.960 a quick claim deed kind of situation. And then you 273 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:17.519 also have liens. So if I went in Andy did 274 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.000 some remodeling work for Cindy and she didn't pay me, 275 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:23.839 I can put a lien on that property, which doesn't 276 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:27.200 sound very important until you start working a case like 277 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:32.160 the Haunted Hillhouse in Mineral Wells. There were several liens 278 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:36.640 on that property and that's how a couple of the 279 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:40.839 owners in the past came into possession of the property 280 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:44.799 to resell it to someone else. Is because the lean 281 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:49.519 I think it's called a mechanics lean wasn't honored and 282 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:53.880 so pay your remodel bills because you can lose your property. 283 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:59.920 And so that information's there, The ownership information is there. 284 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.880 One of the struggles we had at your house was 285 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.680 the fact that it had bounced between property management companies 286 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:11.240 for many years because of the developed that urban renewal 287 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.160 development program that was going on in the eighties here 288 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.039 in Wago. So that's information you can find out just 289 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:18.680 from a deed. 290 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:20.480 Yeah, that's amazing. 291 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:24.799 So that's important I think. And of course then you 292 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:28.880 have names in the great resource for names, and finding 293 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:33.279 out who those people are is I loveancestry dot com. 294 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:37.359 Ancestry is awesome. Okay, if you've gotten names, especially if 295 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:39.839 you've got birthdates. But you can even just take the 296 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:44.960 fact that Alison lives in Waco during the nineteen twelve 297 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:49.400 that's enough information to get hits that you can start following. 298 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:51.920 And again you're just pulling that little strip of paper 299 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.000 just a little bit more. I've been able to find 300 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:02.319 death certificates and to verify that no, he didn't die 301 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:06.160 of TV. He died of syphilis. Yeah, those kind of things. 302 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:10.119 You get a lot of that when we're doing investigations. 303 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.480 The nefarious death. 304 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:16.240 That's really kind of the big one. And I mean 305 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:21.640 when people, at least in my experience with investigating, when 306 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:24.640 people want to know the history of a place, they 307 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:28.519 want to know who died, when they died and how, Yeah, 308 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:33.720 because they're absolutely convinced that there is a person, And 309 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.079 then a lot of times they will have a story. 310 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:39.759 You know, we know it's old Joe and that he 311 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:43.640 died of heart attack in the back room, and. 312 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:46.200 You know, and really nothing debase any of that on. 313 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:51.039 And so I'm always stumped when somebody comes to me 314 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.359 and says, you know, I want to know, was there 315 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.240 somebody who died here? Was there a murder here? Was 316 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:01.880 there a violent death here? And I'm sure that you 317 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:04.400 can kind of in a round about way, you can 318 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:07.839 at least find out through the public records that you're 319 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:12.960 talking about, you know, getting your thumbnail under there of Okay, 320 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.880 you know, I don't know that information yet, but I 321 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:19.920 know the players definitely, the players are here, and I 322 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:24.200 have the names, I have the dates, I know the people. 323 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:27.480 So that it sounds to me like that's kind of 324 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:28.680 the foundation of the house. 325 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.680 That's like the beginning pieces of the puzzle. 326 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:32.680 It is. 327 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:38.240 And so I don't know, you know how easy or 328 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:42.559 difficult it is to find those those more like you said. 329

00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:45.559 Those more nefarious or gruesome type. 330 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:49.880 It's hard. It's extremely hard. Part of the struggle these 331 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:52.880 days is the fact that most counties have realized that 332 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.640 they can actually make money off of these records, so 333 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:59.599 now you have to pay to find them, whereas before 334 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:03.920 it was just out there and they were digitizing them 335 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:08.720 for posterity stake or whatever. There for a while, when 336 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:12.039 we were doing so much investigating down in Marlin, I 337 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:16.359 could pull up anybody's death certificate without any really yeah, 338 00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:21.599 without any paywall or having to have specific information. I 339 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:25.160 could pull up all kinds and boy, that gets really 340 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:30.319 interesting when you're able to pull up any death certificate, 341 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:34.000 especially like during time frames, because that's how they were 342 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:35.920 filed at the time. So I was picking them up 343 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.720 a decade at a time, nineteen twenty to nineteen thirty, 344 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:41.759 and you can read through There weren't a ton of 345 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:43.480 people in Falls County at that point. 346 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:45.759 That was not like I was. 347 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:47.279 Doing a million of them, you know. But you know, 348 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:49.880 you go through them and you can very quickly see 349 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:54.079 that yellow fever epidemic hit and leave. You could very 350 00:21:54.160 --> 00:22:00.880 quickly see another one of them. One of them was 351 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:05.200 a plane or not a plane, a train wreck over 352 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:09.039 in the Calbern area. Okay, So you can see those 353 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:11.279 kind of patterns when you're lucky enough to get that. 354 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:13.680 These days, it's really hard. I tend to get more 355 00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:18.279 of my death certificate information from ancestry, okay, and that's 356 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:20.359 generally where that comes from. And then at that point 357 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:23.240 you've got to have some pretty specific You need a birthdate, 358 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:28.720 a death date for sure, and so that's generally where 359 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.160 I get my death certificate information. Today, you can still 360 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:35.480 go sit down in the county offices and pull out 361 00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:40.640 the old books where it's handwritten notes that's not recommended 362 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:47.200 to spend day, days and days doing it and then 363 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:49.200 still not find what

you're looking for. 364 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:50.680 Yeah, for sure. 365 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:56.599 But with ancestry also, and ancestry has different layers of membership, 366 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:01.160 and the free membership you can find some pretty basic information. 367 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:08.079 Here's a terrifying thought. High school yearbooks you're even available 368 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:09.039 on ancestry. 369 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:13.480 Seriously serious, If I just go to look at the 370 00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:14.799 high school yearbooks. 371 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:20.440 Yeah, And Alison's like, what terrifying. 372 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:23.079 It is, isn't it? Yeah, because that's where a lot 373 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:26.480 of my recent hints on ancestry, on my personal genealogy 374 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:30.240 have been is coming up from these yearbooks that have 375 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:35.799 been handed over to whatever service ancestry uses. 376 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:36.680 Interesting. 377 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:40.119 Very and I think that's at a paid level. I'm 378 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:44.680 not sure because I I did the free version for 379 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:46.680 like two months and got pissed off because I wasn't 380 00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:50.839 getting enough information. So for me, it was worth going 381 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:55.039 up that next level. And I want to say it's 382 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:58.440 about two fifty a year, so just to give you 383 00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:00.440 an idea of what it costs if you're in didn't 384 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:02.440 getting you know, so that's. 385 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:08.319 Like what you know, twenty five twenty four bucks a month. 386 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:09.119 Is something like that. 387 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:10.279 I mean it's a Netflix. 388 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:13.519 I was gonna say, it's like a subscription subscription. 389 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:17.559 Yeah. And at that level that includes all of the 390 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:21.319 military records. Oh nice, and of course you know the 391 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:24.319 military background, the law enforcement background I have, so I'm 392 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:26.559 able to find a lot of information on my personal 393 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:32.640 genealogy there. But that's also where I found the corporal 394 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.880 that we speak to occasionally at the palace was killed 395 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:39.599 by a lance thos. 396 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:43.960 Oh wow, yeah, what a death certificate. 397 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:47.759 Yeah, that one was quite an interesting story. But and 398 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:53.039 it was poor guy. Yeah, it was kind of battle. Yeah, 399 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:56.920 it was interesting. But that's that's one of those weird 400 00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:59.519 little things. You would hear that and you would think 401 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:04.400 that's not true, right, but then you go do the research. 402 00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:07.960 Oh my god, it is true, and so yeah, you 403 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:09.839 can verify that crazy stuff. 404 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:14.799 But I think I have that session, that communication session 405 00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:19.039 with the corporal on paper somewhere at the house because 406 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:22.599 it came across through questioning and we were trying to 407 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.000 confirm who we were talking to, and that was the 408 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:31.039 clarifying confirming question was how did you die? And it 409 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:32.119 was lanced. 410 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:36.160 I was lanced to see it was lanced. I love 411 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:40.599 it when things like that happened. I mean, when the 412 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:41.799 puzzle pieces come. 413 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:44.400 Together and you know, yeah, you're having a communication. 414 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:48.759 Session and it's confirmed. I just think that's really cool, 415 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:54.440 even if it's you know, a tragic lancing accident tragedy. 416 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:59.240 But yeah, yeah, for sure. And like I said, with ancestry, 417 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:02.359 you can also see all the census information which is 418 00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:05.359 going to tell you who all lived in the house 419 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:06.000 at that time. 420 00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:09.119 Yeah, the players, the players, all the players. 421 00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:13.319 It's going to give their age male, female, depending on 422 00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:17.559 how old the census is. You can also see if 423 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:22.200 they had slaves, they were slave neighbors in the household, 424 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:25.480 where if there were laborers. It lists all that stuff 425 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:30.519 out where they were born, all of that good stuff. 426 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:36.720 What else property owned, property values, where they worked, what 427 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:39.920 their annual salary was, whether or not they could read 428 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:40.559 or write. 429 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:41.880 Interesting. 430 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:47.119 So just a ton of information there. The senses has 431 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:50.960 debunked quite a few quite like it. 432 00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:53.359 Yeah, yeah, and I mean I love that. That's why 433 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:53.680 it's so. 434 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.640 I mean, you're just making this incredible case for the 435 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:02.480 importance of doing at least some historical research just a 436 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:06.039 basic Google search. Yeah, even just doing a basic Google search. 437 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:09.200 And as I was thinking about this, first of all, Allison, 438 00:27:09.240 -->

00:27:12.480 do you have anything to say, I'm just yacking away here. 439 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.720 No, I'm just overly here entertained. 440 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.359 I'm like, wow, you know, from. 441 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:25.640 Alistic trait of time, joy of history. 442 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:28.480 Yes, you never know what you're gonna find. 443 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:35.039 History. That's you know, it's fun, it's good. But anybody, So, 444 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:38.119 I was thinking about this, and I don't know if 445 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:42.240 you know anything about this. But y'all know, we've been on. 446 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:48.119 So many investigations here in Texas and the people swear 447 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:54.319 that this property is haunted because it's on an Indian. 448 00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:58.799 Burial ground, or there's you know, Native Americans. There's this 449 00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:03.000 this Native American can tie somehow, and that the the 450 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:06.000 Indians are restless and they're they're haunting the house or 451 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:11.640 the property or anything. Is there any way to yay 452 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:16.000 nay verify that type of those types of because I 453 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:18.839 hear them over and over and over again, those types 454 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:19.519 of stories. 455 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:24.839 It's difficult. It is really difficult. The most success I've 456 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:28.880 had with that is being able to actually narrow down, Hey, 457 00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:30.480 were there Native Americans. 458 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.640 In the area. 459 00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:37.920 There aren't areas there were no Native Americans. Sure, I 460 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:41.240 get that story in my area. I live in Johnson 461 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:43.720 County and I get that a lot. 462 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.200 No like that. 463 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:54.039 No, there was a small little Ketto settlement around Albareto 464 00:28:55.039 --> 00:29:00.799 and they were pretty much peaceful. And then some great 465 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.839 books are depending on how geeky you really want, how 466 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.480 deep you want to get in to Texas history, but 467 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.839 if you know the background, you can find this at 468 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:17.240 least two of three facts. Possibly there is a book 469 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.160 out there, and I'm probably going to get the title wrong. 470 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:25.480 It's Indian Depredations in Texas and it was written by 471 00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:28.839 Will Barger, who happens to be a Texas Ranger. Oh okay, okay, 472 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.720 And it is written from his view and from people 473 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:39.279 that he fellowed Texas rangers who interacted with Native Americans 474 00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:42.799

in a variety of ways. Okay. So that is very 475 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:47.920 beneficial because it will tell you there nothing in Johnson 476 00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:53.759 County happened. But it does mention the Kilo massacre and 477 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.799 the Morgan massacre outside of Marlin, and so we know 478 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:06.759 from those on retellings that there were interactions, and so 479 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.319 you know that if you're in that area, it's potential, okay, 480 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.440 but other areas not so much. And then it's like, 481 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:16.839 you know, you get all the Quanta Parker stories. It's 482 00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:18.440 kind of like the Bonnie and Clyde thing. 483 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.920 Yeah, Bonnie and Clyde, boy, they got around, tell you what, 484 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:23.160 from nineteen thirties. 485 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:24.799 That was a hell of a vehicle driving. 486 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:28.680 All over the state, all over the state, up. 487 00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:31.319 To Missouri, over to Tennessee and back, all within the 488 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:32.079 course of a week. 489 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:32.599 Yeah. 490 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:33.359 I don't think so. 491 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:36.400 Yeah, I don't think we're talking. 492 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:39.440 A nineteen thirty vehicle where you couldn't go fifteen miles 493 00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:40.519 without losing a tire. 494 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:44.480 No, no, I can. I think it's very plausible. 495 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.359 You know, they started out I think in Dallas, and yes, 496 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.039 if there are you you know, in Marlin or Waco 497 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.440 or you know, anywhere in central Texas or between here 498 00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.519 in Dallas, plausible. 499 00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.039 Yeah, when they're like driving all over the place. 500 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.319 Ye know, they were in Missouri at one point, but 501 00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:05.000 that was like a one time thing, you know, just 502 00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:08.160 over that short course of their lives. But again it's 503 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:12.440 knowing time frames. Yes, what I ask how many people 504 00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:16.480 actually know when the Civil War war? Yah? They talked 505 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:20.319 about a Civil War soldier and then they want to 506 00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:22.839 talk about dates in the nineteen forties. 507 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.440 No, oh dear, oh dear, it didn't work that way. No. 508 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:28.880 No, folks, if there's any listeners that think that the 509 00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:30.960 Civil Wars was in the nineteen forties. 510 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:36.920 No, no, read a book book. Actually you should have 511 00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:39.839 listened to your history teacher in school. Yeah. 512

00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.400 Yeah, yeah, that's pretty well covered. 513 00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:48.559 But yeah, and just basic names and dates and yeah, 514 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.559 I like the idea of you know, the Indians just 515 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.559 even finding out where some of the Indian settlements were, 516 00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:59.119 if there's even a possibility of interactions because so. 517 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:02.240 Many of them were no mad. Yeah, and it was 518 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.000 only in the later eighteen hundreds that they actually kind 519 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.359 of settled in areas and like Waco's rife with it. 520 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:10.519 Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, because you've. 521 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:14.480 Got the bosky here, you've got the brasses here, you know, 522 00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:20.480 and walking it's just down the road, and you have 523 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:21.799 to watch those travel paths. 524 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:22.640 You know. 525 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:27.319 They didn't just randomly, Willy nearly wander the state until 526 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.519 they went somewhere else. They went where water was, they 527 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:35.720 went where grass was, they went, Yes, and said there's 528 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.279 that aspect of history too. 529 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.160 Yeah, well, it's almost kind of we're overlaying this idea 530 00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:45.480 that the Native Americans were like the settlers, where it's like, well, 531 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.680 we're just going to be staying in one place, and 532 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:49.759 we're going to be burying or dead in one place, 533 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.880 you know, and you know that whole it's the Indian 534 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:56.119 burial ground, as if there's like lots of Indians here 535 00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:58.759 that were buried maybe if there was a battle, you know, 536 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:02.680 and they buried them at the back site. But yeah, 537 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.079 and your point on them being nomadic is really well taken. 538 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:07.559 Yeah, it's like my hunches is. 539 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:09.720 Yeah, oh no, we got to take Joe back to 540 00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:11.880 the Indian burial ground. You know, we aren't just going 541 00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:15.119 to bury him here at the river. Yeah, you know, 542 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:16.079 it would. 543 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:22.240 Be interesting to do some investigating along those wagon trails, 544 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:22.640 you know. 545 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:25.720 I mean, any think you look at it, That's what 546 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:28.759 it's going to bring up, is we have the Chisholm trail. 547 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.079 That oh yeah, right, every way go suspension bridge. 548 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.839 That was the part of it. It's like,

as you 549 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.799 look at the history, why would the Native Americans not 550 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:44.160 follow those trails and hopes to see yeah, other like 551 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:48.160 quote unquote the white man to take their stuff and whatever. 552 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.279 Historically you got to look at that kind of stuff. 553 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.599 And getting into Native American it is such a treacherous 554 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:01.799 road at times, because, believe it or not, not all 555 00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:06.640 Indians were friendly. Yeah, yea, So there was that aspect too, 556 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.400 and just like the settlers that were coming to the area, 557 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.960 they're going to protect themselves in their own and that's 558 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.039 you know, it's unfortunate, but that was a factive Locke 559 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:20.599 back then. And I will tell you I get a 560 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:26.239 lot of history also on that from my relatives ancestors 561 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:28.920 were some of the first Texas Rangers. 562 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.159 In fact, I think that was so interesting when you 563 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.559 were talking about discovering that in your ancestry. 564 00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:35.679 It was crazy. This was one of those one of 565 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.880 the things I love about ancestry dot Com. Help me 566 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.239 confirm all of this. This was one of those stories 567 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.239 I heard from the time I was a little girl, 568 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:44.760 and my dad heard from the time he was a 569 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:48.719 little boy, was that we were we came to Texas 570 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:53.440 as part of Austin's original three hundred, and that we 571 00:34:53.480 --> 00:35:00.159 had Texas Rangers in our heritage. And you know, tell 572 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.960 you that my grandfather was a jokester and loved to 573 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:07.599 tell stories. So you couldn't really take everything for one 574 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:11.719 hundred percent. So start doing the genealogy, and yeah, sure enough, 575 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:17.239 we were part. We did come over from Tennessee and Arkansas. 576 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.840 We were kind of spread out actually, a pretty big family, 577 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.800 come to find out, came over as one of Austin's 578 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:30.480 original three hundred, and John Jackson Toumlson, which was the 579 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:35.920 patriarch that came was considered one of the first original 580 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:40.280 Texas Rangers. He was also the first Texas Ranger lost 581 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:42.639 in the line of duty and when he was killed 582 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:46.760 by Native Americans on his way home from Mexico because 583 00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:51.360 he was an impisario here for Mexico and he was 584 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:55.719 killed by Native Americans outside of Sagein. And so then 585 00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:01.719 they also his children were invall they also were Texas 586 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:08.400 Rangers and they were involved from the hunt when Cynthia 587 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:13.199 Anne Parker was kidnapped, she and her brother, they were 588 00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:17.880 if I remember the story correctly, and they were actually 589 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:24.199 able to retrieve the boy, Cynthia Ane's brother, but not 590 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:29.880 these these were the settlers, yeah, okay, And so they 591 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:34.440 were involved in that as well as other interactions because 592 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:39.159 they were basically keeping theirselves safe and everyone else. And 593 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:42.119 so that's I can get really geeky with that kind 594 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:44.400 of stuff because I get to that level that detail. 595 00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:49.280 You know, we're talking six generations ago, and so yeah, 596 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:50.280 that's a lot of fun. 597 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:52.599 You can see why we love Georgina. 598 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:56.360 It's like, so if we have historical questions about an 599 00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:01.039 investigation or some information that we'd like to bear, especially, 600 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.639 I find the historic information especially helpful. If we have 601 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:11.239 a psychic on an investigation and they start coming up 602 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:16.079 with names, dates, places, and events, which is all finding 603 00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:20.719 good but boy, it is fantastic if we can go 604 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.480 to Georgina and go, hey, here's some names. And she 605 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:25.880 loves it too. She's like, I need some names and dates. 606 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:27.760 Give me some names and dates, and she will just 607 00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.480 go to town. I will dig, she will dig, and 608 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:33.760 I mean a nice It's exciting because a lot of 609 00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:39.159 times things are verified or you'll find uncover more information, 610 00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:41.480 and it's like, well, when we go back to this location, 611 00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.599 let's ask about this person or that person because they 612 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:48.159 were supposedly there at this time or that time and 613 00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:50.920 this was going on, and then you know, you can 614 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.000 kind of really go down these incredible rabbit holes, but 615 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.840 in the best way, because it's kind of like, hey, 616 00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:03.840 you know what, we're building a solid case with data, 617 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:12.119 with hard,

verifiable facts to support what we're experiencing, what 618 00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:16.840 witnesses are talking about and what they say that they've experienced, 619 00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:19.880 or we're able to say, you know, no, I call 620 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:26.239 bs because there's those those legends and folklore. One of 621 00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.039 the ones you have, Bonnie and Cly's a great example. 622 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.039 Another one I think of is I haven't been there yet, y'all. 623 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:31.239 We do. 624 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:36.239 We need to go to the Myrtles plantation in Louisiana. 625 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:38.199 That would be so so cool. 626 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:45.280 But one of their cornerstone spirits is a slave woman 627 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.400 named Chloe, who was supposed to be this voodoo princess 628 00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:54.159 and she poisoned the family. And I mean there's this big, gruesome, 629 00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:00.119 you know, story around Chloe. And they have a shadow, 630 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.599 we picture of what looks like a black woman in 631 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.840 you know, eighteen hundred's dress, kind of standing behind a pillar, 632 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:12.280 and they're like, that's here, that's Chloe. That's Chloe, and 633 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.039 you know, and maybe you can shed some light on this. 634 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:19.840 But whenever I've done, and I've done very superficial searches 635 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:23.639 on Chloe, they do not have any historical evidence at 636 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.079 all of Chloe at all. 637 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:30.360 They don't I'm not tells super deep into it, because 638 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:35.639 very quickly it becomes clear that there's no historical Yeah. Yeah, 639 00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:41.519 at some point you quit researching because you aren't getting 640 00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:45.159 any new information for sure. Yeah. 641 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.880 I was just thinking about that one, and I'm just thinking, 642 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:50.679 and I mean I think a lot of I'm always 643 00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:54.519 skeptical when you know, I go to the ghost tours 644 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.840 or the public haunts, you know, and the Myrtles is 645 00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.920 a very commercial play place now where you know, I 646 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:03.880 still want to go there because it's supposed to be 647 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:04.880 really really active. 648 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.119 But there, you know, I don't want to say any 649 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.480 more names. But there's a lot of places in Texas 650 00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:11.000 that are the. 651 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:16.480 Same exact way where it's it's like, oh this and 652 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:20.320 it's always some spooky, spooky, gruesome story. 653 00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:21.440 You know. 654 00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.960 There's a house that I'd rather not name that supposedly 655 00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.599 has a demon that's bound to the upstairs room or something, 656 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:34.239 you know, and so I'm like, there's no, there's Yeah, 657 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.480 it'd be nice to have a little bit of verification 658 00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:42.639 outside of hearsay and stories and legends, you know. And 659 00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:46.760 that's why I think that's so important, definitely so important. 660 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:48.639 I'm sorry, got it. 661 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:50.719 So I would say, I like that you bring up 662 00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:55.239 the ghost walks and the historical stuff, because when I 663 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.840 did not I did one in San Antonio when I 664 00:40:59.039 --> 00:40:59.960 when I was staying. 665 00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:04.320 In Spooky Central, I was like, of course. 666 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.360 When I was staying at Emily Morgan, we did. I 667 00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:10.360 did one with my dad and it was kind of 668 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:14.480 it was like really interesting because one of them was 669 00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:18.280 the old Joe House that's now a hotel. And it's 670 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:24.800 interesting seeing because my grandpa being retired. SAPD was like, oh, yeah, 671 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:26.480 that's the thing, like that used to be the old 672 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:31.840 Bear County Joe House and then they converted it, but 673 00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:35.000 it being an historical marker, they can't really change anything. 674 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:38.199 So I was like, oh, okay, So it's kind of 675 00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:43.199 interesting seeing from a cop having access to those records 676 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:48.159 in that city, Like, no, that's that's true. So it's 677 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:52.400 fun when you do those historical walks and then having 678 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:57.159 somebody to back it up. Yeah, so it's I think 679 00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:59.719 that's always fun when you can have stuff like that. 680 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:05.320 Oh, absolutely absolutely, And I completely agree. And another thing too, 681 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:07.639 is because we're you know, I'm back on Buye and Clyde. 682 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:12.840 But but no, yes, I think records and you can 683 00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.440 probably talk more about this than I can. But but 684 00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:20.239 you know, the records are great, but I have found 685 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:24.599 that you can get a wealth of information from locals. 686 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.840 Are our recent trip to Takuana and talking to the 687 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:32.960 postmaster there. We had a very very bored postmaster who 688 00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:37.960 happened to know so much historical information

about the town. 689 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:41.239 So you know a lot of those and I find 690 00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:45.159 that a lot of those oral local oral histories, they 691 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:50.079 are really great at filling in the gaps as well 692 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.840 as there are some people out there. And I think 693 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:56.719 of the Bonnie and Clyde Museum, where you have got 694 00:42:56.840 --> 00:43:00.599 some folks that have been doing this historical research for 695 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:02.920 years and years and years, and they opened up these 696 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:08.719 museums and they're worth a visit. They really really are, 697 00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:14.360 because that's where somebody has done all the labor, because 698 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:15.679 for them a lot of times. 699 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:18.559 It's just a labor of love. And and you go 700 00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:19.679 and you talk to one. 701 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:24.360 Of the museum docents and they will talk your ear off. 702 00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:26.000 They're happy to talk to you. 703 00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:30.679 Yesterday are and so you know, do you have any 704 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.159 advice or any recommendations on anything like that? 705 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:40.440 Oh, gosh, yeah. Locals can fill in the blanks. Gosh yeah. 706 00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:46.000 Is especially if you happen to be doing like a 707 00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:51.760 residential type place. Towns are always they're a little difficult 708 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:56.360 depending on which generation you're talking to. I was really 709 00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.599 impressed with Zach's level of knowledge for a place. 710 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.280 You know, for a younger man. 711 00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:07.400 For a younger man, he knew a lot. So much 712 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:13.119 information that we get through spirit communication, whether that's an 713 00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:23.000 app on our phone or psychic medium, it's unverifiable. Was 714 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:28.159 Margaret's favorite flower really arose or are we assuming that? 715 00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:34.039 You know? Just those little things like that we were 716 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:41.159 struggling with and now I've lost it. Anyway, we were 717 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:46.440 struggling with some information at the Palace Theater, in the 718 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:51.360 little cafe that was next door, and that information and 719 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:56.639 we had been we have been investigating the Palace Theater 720 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:04.719 since day one. Okay, it was like literally my first investigation, right, 721 00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.599 and so there was some questions that never really got answered. 722 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:13.440 And then we happened to be doing an investigation and 723 00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.840 I was podcasting

and just pulling in people if they 724 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:19.480 wanted to because we were doing an event and if 725 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:21.679 they wanted to come talk to me about Marlon and 726 00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.400 the theater. It was all great, and one of the 727 00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:28.599 ladies was actually able to answer several questions for us 728 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:33.679 about the cafe that was next door and confirmed some 729 00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:37.320 of the noises and that we were hearing because it 730 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.639 was actually cafe. She was able to show us where 731 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:44.599 the kitchen portion was, where the stove actually was, and 732 00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:49.360 things like that, and so that really correlated and answered 733 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.000 questions for some personal experiences and things that the psychas 734 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:56.360 were picking up on because they kept getting things like 735 00:45:57.320 --> 00:45:59.280 I can't remember what it was. It was flower. Oh 736 00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.119 she's getting flower out of the canister or something like that. 737 00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.039 It's like, okay, well, yeah, they've got flower in a cafe. 738 00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.920 But then when Susie was able to say, oh, yeah, 739 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:12.360 that's because that's where the kitchen was. Okay, there we go. 740 00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.960 So that's what that loud bang was. Yeah, that kind 741 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:19.679 of thing. We were able to verify. There was a 742 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:23.760 pool hall back there. We'd heard rumors about that alley, 743 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:26.679 and Susie was able to verify, Oh yeah, we used 744 00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.360 to play pool there all the time. Yeah. And so 745 00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:34.480 it's those little things like that that you can't no 746 00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.679 one knows that except for a little bit of group 747 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:41.480 or little family people in the family, even though you 748 00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:46.559 may get that information through communication, and so talking to 749 00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:52.639 locals or people that knew the people is definitely very beneficial. 750 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.159 Yeah, that can be invaluable very much. 751 00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.960 Yeah, And I mean you combine that with the you know, 752 00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:03.639 the official documents and the historical documents, and then you 753 00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:05.920 can have that backed up with those oral histories or 754 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:10.559 the museums. Yeah, you can start painting this really complete picture. 755 00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:13.599 And that's like the Calvert Hotel. When we did the 756 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:14.400 Calvert hotel. 757 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:15.880 Oh yeah, We. 758 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:20.440 Had three psychic mediums do that remote viewing beforehand and 759 00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.400 had them send us all of the information they were 760 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.159 picking up on. And it was really interesting because the 761 00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:29.519 one thing that all three of them picked up on, well, 762 00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:30.920 there were a couple of things, but the one that 763 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:37.079 always struck me was one of them kept hearing opera music, and. 764 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.559 I remember that it was. 765 00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:41.239 Like opera music, and another one was going, I don't 766 00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.679 know what it is, but there's something about opera, and 767 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.719 so they were getting All three of them were talking 768 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:53.400 about opera, opera music, opera performances, et cetera. And so 769 00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:56.000 I'm getting chills. 770 00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:59.559 Even I know where this story is going, and so. 771 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.199 It gets digging before we go. And I was the 772 00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:05.880 one coordinating the responses, you know, and we based some 773 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:10.000 of our spirit communication off of these impressions that are 774 00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:15.039 psychic mediums were getting. And doing the research on it, 775 00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:20.360 I found the description of the hotel and it was 776 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.440 an MLS listening from a real estate agent because it 777 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:25.519 was up for sale at that point in time, and 778 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.679 it talks about how the columns outside and a couple 779 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.679 of columns on the inside came from the old opera. 780 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.519 Building yeah, it came from the opera house. 781 00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:41.159 Isn't that crazy? That's is that cool? Yeah? So that 782 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:42.880 was really cool and that was probably what like our 783 00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.639 second investigation, you and I together. Yeah, the first time 784 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:46.559 I met Robbie. 785 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:53.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, that was yes, I love I. 786 00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:56.800 Loved that was Yeah, that was great. I love stories 787 00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:01.400 like that. You'll like, we'd go so young. So that 788 00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:06.239 was the first time I met Robbie years ago. 789 00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.599 It couldn't be because we're only in our thirties. 790 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:14.360 Right, exactly exactly what are you talking about? Come on, 791 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:16.800 put readers under the table. 792 00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:21.360 Yeah, and I mean yeah, those types of stories are 793 00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.199 just the best, and and it makes me think of 794 00:49:25.280

--> 00:49:29.719 the Mabel leg story, you know, where we went to 795 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:33.800 the Lassall Shop's antique mall and this lady in black 796 00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:36.679 was just scaring the but Jesus out of contract workers 797 00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:40.440 because they were doing some of their modeling. And she 798 00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.239 kept walking around the bathrooms. And so we looked at 799 00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:47.119 a booth there next to the bathrooms and saw some 800 00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.679 old timey pictures and one of them was, you know, 801 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:52.360 a lady in black. 802 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:57.079 And before or after the dressing room incident. 803 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:06.280 Jennet Jenna, we're calling you out trying on clothing while we're. 804 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.360 Looking around the shops. Someone was slacking. 805 00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:13.360 Yes, yes, that cracks me up. And I loved easing 806 00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.320 about that. We caught her on camera trying on clothes. 807 00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:20.480 But yeah, so and so we see this picture of 808 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.519 this lady that fit the description of this this ghost 809 00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:30.239 that was walking around. And so what I did, I thought, Oh, 810 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:33.840 what the heck, I'll buy the picture. Robbie, our psychic 811 00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:36.639 he was taking a look at the picture and went 812 00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:40.679 into the area where the ghost was and we didn't 813 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.559 know anything historically, and he's like, you know, I'm getting 814 00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:51.440 a really stern, protective female presence, and I'm getting the 815 00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:57.239 name Melba or Maybel or something like that. He says, 816 00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:59.719 but this is a woman and she takes no nonsense, 817 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.119 and you know she's a no nonsense person. This is 818 00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:07.000 all just straight from our psychic person, who's fabulous. 819 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:07.400 By the way. 820 00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:13.360 Well, what I did was I took the picture and 821 00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:17.039 I posted it online. So this is another possible resource 822 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:23.000 is there's a lot of local history Instagram pages, Facebook 823 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:27.679 pages you know that actually can offer some really helpful information. 824 00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:30.400 And so I put the picture on the one of 825 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.039 the Waco History Facebook pages, and I said, hey, you know, 826 00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:36.880 I picked this up at a local antique store. Can 827 00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:39.840 anybody tell me do you recognize this woman? And I 828 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:44.599 mean the thread blew up. I mean it blew up, 829 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:48.079 and they're

like, oh my gosh, that's that's miss Leg. 830 00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:51.400 That's miss Mabel Leg. And so yeah, we've got the 831 00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:52.079 name Mabel. 832 00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:57.199 And she was a teacher for many years at the 833 00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:02.960 Children's Home here in Waco, and she taught English, and 834 00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:07.079 a lot of her former students they were older, we're 835 00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:11.599 talking about, Oh, yes, she was my teacher. She was 836 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:14.000 she had a heart of gold, but she was a 837 00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:17.239 very stern woman. You know, you did not mess with 838 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:20.920 miss Leg. You know those types of stories. But they 839 00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:25.599 loved her. And family members were on there and they 840 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.119 started jumping in and saying, oh, the picture you have 841 00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:33.039 was her graduation picture, her college graduation picture from the 842 00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:37.639 early nineteen hundreds. So, you know, able to put all 843 00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:40.039 of this together, and then we were Georgia and I 844 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:43.559 were able to meet and do a little oral history 845 00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:47.960 interview with one of her former students. And I mean 846 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:50.800 this guy, he was like a mabele Leg super fan. 847 00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:54.800 I mean he had a whole table, his whole dining 848 00:52:54.880 --> 00:53:01.280 room table was filled with photographs of her, historical information 849 00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:05.320 about her and some of his assignments and the whole deal. 850 00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.480 And I mean, just there again, like you're talking about 851 00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.760 just that tiny little thread, and it just blew up. 852 00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:15.039 And so the family at the end of it. 853 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:18.920 All, We've got to learn about this really basically this treasure, 854 00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:20.800 this Waco treasure. 855 00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:22.000 Of a woman that I didn't know about. 856 00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:26.440 And we got to submit that that interview to Waco's 857 00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:31.000 Oral History Institute. So Mabel Lake is archived. She's in 858 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:34.239 the in the Oral History Institute now. And the family 859 00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:36.840 wanted her picture back and they said, hey, would you 860 00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.559 mind sending us that picture. I said, of course, you know, 861 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.800 not a problem at all, and so I sent the 862 00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:47.400 picture back to her family. And then after that started 863 00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.039 following up with the owners of the antique shop with 864 00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.639 the cell shops, said hey, have you seen Mabel around? 865 00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:55.639 And they said no, no, they never saw Mabel again. 866 00:53:56.280 --> 00:54:01.360 So I said, well, I maybel must be home. But yeah, 867 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:06.440 I mean, stories like that are just they're just so cool, 868 00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:07.880 unlike the Calivert story. 869 00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:12.760 And so the importance of historical research is, at least 870 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:14.679 in my opinion, is really really important. 871 00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.880 I think it's really important. I think it's I'll be honest. 872 00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.719 I think it's one of the differentiating factors between ghost 873 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:25.360 hunting for entertainment and actually doing research. 874 00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:27.000 I think so too. 875 00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:30.880 Yeah, there's definitely a credibility line there in my opinion. 876 00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:34.320 Yeah, yeah, I mean, are you in this to really 877 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:35.559 find out what's going on? 878 00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:39.559 Or are you in this just to get spooked? Yeah? 879 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:41.800 And that's kind of you know, because if you're in 880 00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:43.760 it just to get spooked in it, unfortunately, I. 881 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:44.599 Think a lot of people are. 882 00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:49.840 Yeah, but if you really want to take the time 883 00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:53.400 to do some digging and put the pieces of a 884 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:56.239 really cool puzzle together, that's what keeps us all hooked 885 00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:56.719 and going. 886 00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:59.199 Man, you're gonna get so much more out of. 887 00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:02.159 It, definitely, so much more, and you're going. 888 00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:06.119 To learn learn a lot. My gosh. 889 00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:11.840 So let's see here, because I should probably wrap up here. 890 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.280 I like this, and it says when you walk into 891 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:20.159 a reportedly haunted location, you're really investigating more than ghosts. 892 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:24.480 You're investigating people, events and stories that history left behind. 893 00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:26.639 And so I think that's so true. 894 00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:28.400 I like that. I do that a lot. 895 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:30.960 Yeah, I think that's just so true. 896 00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:35.800 So to wrap up, Georgina, you have any favorite stories 897 00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:38.880 or last minute advice or I. 898 00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:46.800 Would say another excellent resource is tshaonline dot org. And 899 00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:52.400 that stands for Texas State History Association. In any of 900 00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:56.159 the portal to Texas history. If you're looking for Texas information, 901 00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:00.639 those two websites are phenomenal. You don't need to know 902 00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:03.960 anything about Texas, you'll need You'll learn everything from there. 903 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.440 I guarantee you by the end of it. Two very 904 00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:10.079 credible sources. And also, of course the Library of Congress. 905 00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:11.639 That's a good one. 906 00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:14.920 Oh my gosh, that one. It is all of the 907 00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:19.159 military records are there, All of them are there. And 908 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.960 so that's another fun one too. So those those are 909 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:23.760 my choices. 910 00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:25.719 You know, they're good choices. 911 00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:31.400 They're good choices. I'm ready for another investigation, a new 912 00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:32.079 rabbit hole. 913 00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:37.239 Yeah, maybe we can go to the nuthouse. Just for als. 914 00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:42.760 We're gonna take you to the nuthouse, yankes. 915 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:45.320 Yeah, anything you want to wrap up with, my dear 916 00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:51.119 no read a book. 917 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:51.880 Yeah. 918 00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:55.239 We were all at lunch before we started the podcast, 919 00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:57.360 and we were all sitting around rolling our eyes and 920 00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:00.320 lamenting the fact that people just need to read bok book, 921 00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:02.000 read a book. 922 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:06.119 Yeah, there was some expletives in VARs. We'll just leave 923 00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:07.639 them out of the podcast. You know, we have a 924 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:14.119 PG podcast. So anyway, well, I think that's it. Thank 925 00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:15.880 you so much, thank you. 926 00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.360 You know how much I love talking about this stuff. 927 00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:25.960 This'll be good the readers, the reader the listeners will 928 00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:29.559 love it. Lots lots of really cool, valuable information. And 929 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:30.360 I think that's it. 930 00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:30.920 We're out. 931 00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:39.960 This has been spooky a paranormal podcast. We hope today's 932 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.559 episode since shivers down your spine and sparked your curiosity 933 00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:45.079 about all things Goho sleep. 934 00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:47.119 If you've enjoyed what you've. 935 00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:50.000 Heard, don't forget to subscribe and leave a review on 936 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:53.760 your favorite podcast platform. You can also catch us on 937 00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:58.800 Facebook and Instagram. 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