Full Transcript for Apparitons

00:04:50.939 --> 00:04:53.579 I talk to so many people that get those. Where 77 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:57.560 it's like, I see the person that is either... They 78 00:04:57.579 --> 00:05:00.480 don't have to be dead, which makes it even more complicated. 79 00:05:01.060 --> 00:05:02.439 But I see the person. 80 00:05:03.899 --> 00:05:09.139 Either physically or in my dreams. A lot of times 81 00:05:09.220 --> 00:05:13.480 it's dreams. And they're coming to me and they're saying, help, 82 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:18.399 I need help. And then they find out later that 83 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:22.810 they've died or that they're really hurt or something really 84 00:05:22.949 --> 00:05:25.470 bad has happened. 85 00:05:28.009 --> 00:05:30.009 But, yeah, I think. 86 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:40.670 Things like that those crisis apparitions at least point to 87 00:05:40.730 --> 00:05:44.810 there's got to be like some kind of link like 88 00:05:44.930 --> 00:05:51.310 psych I'm thinking like psychic link or telepathic link between 89 00:05:51.389 --> 00:05:53.490 people that are close I mean what do you. 90 00:05:53.430 --> 00:05:57.589 Think yeah I know that a lot of the time 91 00:05:57.629 --> 00:06:00.670 like you're saying it happens with people that we're closest 92 00:06:00.750 --> 00:06:04.300 to so the most The more emotional contact you have 93 00:06:04.339 --> 00:06:10.180 with them, the higher likelihood of having or seeing apparitions. 94 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:17.439 I mean, especially the parent-child connection. Oh, yeah. That's a 95 00:06:17.689 --> 00:06:22.009 connection that's unbreakable. Oh, yeah. I mean, if you think 96 00:06:22.050 --> 00:06:24.050 about it, especially with a mom and a child. I 97 00:06:24.089 --> 00:06:30.709 can't imagine what that sort of connection is. Mm-hmm. How 98 00:06:30.769 --> 00:06:37.410 that impacts somebody when you're dreaming of them or you 99 00:06:37.449 --> 00:06:40.360 physically see them and you get a, like you were saying, 100 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:45.000 you get a phone call that something's happened. That's, it's 101 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:49.129 very traumatic. Yeah. So, I mean, if you think about it, 102 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:55.490 your emotions affect being able to see apparitions because, I mean, 103 00:06:55.610 --> 00:06:59.290 energy fuels energy. It's like putting gas in a car. 104 00:06:59.389 --> 00:07:03.509 You're just fueling that thing. You're pumping enough energy to 105 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:07.319 where it gives them the energy to take it to manifest. 106 00:07:07.779 --> 00:07:10.180 That's a really good point. I never really thought about that. 107 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.199 But yeah, you are putting energy back out there, especially 108 00:07:13.220 --> 00:07:17.139 if mom wakes up and sees the kid at the 109 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:19.660 foot of her bed is saying, help, I need help. Yeah, 110 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:23.019 her energy levels. Now, granted, it's going to be stress, 111 00:07:23.180 --> 00:07:25.569 but They're going to be through the roof, and she's 112 00:07:25.620 --> 00:07:27.459 going to be jumping out of bed and wanting to 113 00:07:27.500 --> 00:07:32.579 figure out what happened. So that could feed, maybe feed 114 00:07:32.620 --> 00:07:35.519 that link. Because, yeah, you're absolutely right. Well, I mean, 115 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.430 everybody's heard of, you know, mom, mother's intuition. 116 00:07:39.069 --> 00:07:39.949 It's a thing. 117 00:07:40.550 --> 00:07:43.470 It's really a thing. And, you know, if you become 118 00:07:43.490 --> 00:07:44.230 a mom someday. 119 00:07:44.250 --> 00:07:44.829 You'll see. 120 00:07:45.009 --> 00:07:50.980 It's like you get this, like, new little spidey sense of, 121 00:07:51.220 --> 00:07:53.519 you know, if there's something going wrong with your kid. 122 00:07:54.610 --> 00:07:58.790 And it's the craziest thing. I mean, I can't explain it, 123 00:07:58.810 --> 00:08:04.290 but it's definitely there. It's that connection. It's like that bond. 124 00:08:05.290 --> 00:08:10.139 And I think so much of these types of apparitions 125 00:08:10.220 --> 00:08:13.040 have to do more with, I don't know, maybe a 126 00:08:13.060 --> 00:08:19.639 telepathic bond or some kind of psychic bond or something that, yeah, 127 00:08:19.660 --> 00:08:25.600 that connection. that energetic, yeah, that energetic connection between people 128 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:29.439 who are very close and, and yeah, moms and their kids. 129 00:08:29.620 --> 00:08:31.040 Cause I mean, you know, you. 130 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:34.360 Grew that kid basically, you know, it's like it was 131 00:08:34.419 --> 00:08:41.009 literally part of you, um, for a while. So, so yeah, I, 132 00:08:41.029 --> 00:08:43.529 I don't know. I do have a question on that. 133 00:08:43.549 --> 00:08:47.110 I'm kind of like, was it a ghost really or telepathic? 134 00:08:47.129 --> 00:08:50.000 But here's, here's the question I was thinking about. If 135 00:08:50.019 --> 00:08:53.879 you see a dying person, or if somebody sees a 136 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:58.610 dying person a thousand miles away, so somebody dies a 137 00:08:58.779 --> 00:09:03.889 thousand miles away, does that demonstrate a ghost or only 138 00:09:04.850 --> 00:09:10.309 telepathic transfer? So if the dead person is a thousand 139 00:09:10.350 --> 00:09:14.620 miles away and you sense their death or you see them, 140 00:09:16.340 --> 00:09:18.120 What do you think? Do you think it's a ghost 141 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:21.279 that's come visit you? Or do you think it's some 142 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:23.940 kind of psychic connection that you. 143 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:24.899 Know about the death? 144 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:28.720 I don't know. I don't know. I almost want to 145 00:09:28.779 --> 00:09:33.179 say it's some kind of psychic connection. Because if you 146 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:39.820 think about it, I mean, you

even compare yourself to 147 00:09:39.860 --> 00:09:42.840 someone like Robbie. Robbie's more inclined to be able to 148 00:09:42.899 --> 00:09:43.379 see that. 149 00:09:44.029 --> 00:09:44.250 Yes. 150 00:09:44.429 --> 00:09:50.019 Because he has that ability, so yes, I wouldn't put 151 00:09:50.059 --> 00:09:54.570 it past Robbie to see an apparition of ghosts a 152 00:09:54.610 --> 00:10:00.460 thousand miles away. Now, I'd be like asking a little 153 00:10:00.500 --> 00:10:03.639 bit more questions and be like, okay, what did you see? 154 00:10:03.700 --> 00:10:06.980 Whereas if it was you, it'd be like more like, 155 00:10:07.779 --> 00:10:10.100 you saw that? And it would be a little bit 156 00:10:10.139 --> 00:10:13.080 more believable because it's like you don't. 157 00:10:13.460 --> 00:10:15.799 I don't see ghosts a thousand miles away. 158 00:10:15.820 --> 00:10:20.210 No, so it's like, oh no, something's really... wrong, like, 159 00:10:20.230 --> 00:10:22.850 what's going on, and you see it on the news. Or, 160 00:10:23.049 --> 00:10:24.289 you know, you hear about it. 161 00:10:24.629 --> 00:10:29.220 Yeah, if there's, like, a way to triangulate that. Yeah. 162 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:33.799 That would be interesting. That would be interesting. Because, yeah, 163 00:10:33.860 --> 00:10:35.419 I thought about that, and I thought, well, are you 164 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.639 actually seeing the ghost of the person, or are you 165 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:45.860 experiencing some kind of telepathic message about the person dying, 166 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:50.590 and your brain is just interpreting it as the ghost 167 00:10:50.629 --> 00:10:51.889 of the person or something. 168 00:10:52.730 --> 00:10:55.789 I mean, I don't know. I, I also think it 169 00:10:55.830 --> 00:10:59.110 goes back to the, like we've said it a million 170 00:10:59.149 --> 00:11:02.539 times on this podcast, but the people place time, like, Oh. 171 00:11:02.500 --> 00:11:04.200 Yeah, that's in there too. That's in my notes too. 172 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:08.340 I think if you receive it, you're just, you happen 173 00:11:08.379 --> 00:11:12.899 to be the right person at the right time, not 174 00:11:12.980 --> 00:11:16.740 necessarily the right place, but you're, you're on that same 175 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:21.330 energetic level. Yeah. To sense that. 176 00:11:22.309 --> 00:11:22.509 Yeah. 177 00:11:22.690 --> 00:11:27.769 To sense that energy, that message, so then you're prone 178 00:11:27.909 --> 00:11:31.889 to experience it and to get that. But also it 179 00:11:31.909 --> 00:11:35.269 brings up the question of how many other people, if 180 00:11:35.409 --> 00:11:40.129 that's the case, are also getting that. And there's no 181 00:11:40.169 --> 00:11:44.730 way to really track that down other than, oh my God, 182 00:11:44.769 --> 00:11:47.500 I saw this, I had a dream last night of 183 00:11:47.509 --> 00:11:51.730 somebody getting hit, rollover on the

side of the road. Right. 184 00:11:52.529 --> 00:11:56.250 And then, you know, all of a sudden you hear 185 00:11:56.289 --> 00:11:59.110 about it on Facebook, the news, whatever. 186 00:11:59.750 --> 00:11:59.990 Yeah. 187 00:12:00.070 --> 00:12:03.129 So then how many other people also got that same 188 00:12:03.169 --> 00:12:04.769 dream if that's the case? Yeah. 189 00:12:07.070 --> 00:12:09.090 There really isn't a way to. 190 00:12:10.429 --> 00:12:12.840 Really track that because, you know, you're talking about that 191 00:12:12.860 --> 00:12:15.039 and I'm thinking of, you know, we just honored 9-11 192 00:12:15.379 --> 00:12:20.419 and I'm thinking how many people, because my hunch is 193 00:12:20.460 --> 00:12:22.440 there was a bunch of people from all around the 194 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.500 world and probably more so in the United States that 195 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:32.309 had dreams about planes crashing into buildings probably weeks or 196 00:12:32.350 --> 00:12:38.090 months beforehand. And we would have no way of tracking 197 00:12:38.129 --> 00:12:41.750 that ahead of it. It's only afterwards where they come 198 00:12:41.830 --> 00:12:43.769 out of the woodwork and say, oh yeah, I was 199 00:12:43.789 --> 00:12:46.769 having these dreams for months. And it's like, well, Yeah, 200 00:12:46.789 --> 00:12:49.149 but there's really no way to verify that. I mean, 201 00:12:49.190 --> 00:12:51.049 you could be a really truthful person or you could 202 00:12:51.070 --> 00:12:52.149 just be full of crap. 203 00:12:52.250 --> 00:12:54.970 I mean, we don't know. We can't parse that out. 204 00:12:55.389 --> 00:12:59.250 Yeah, and it's definitely one of those things like how 205 00:12:59.350 --> 00:13:03.529 is it reaching someone a thousand miles away compared to 206 00:13:03.590 --> 00:13:10.190 someone that might be the right person, right time, that's 207 00:13:10.269 --> 00:13:14.129 two miles away. How come they didn't perceive that compared 208 00:13:14.149 --> 00:13:16.289 to the person that's a thousand miles away? 209 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.559 That's a really good point too. That tells me more 210 00:13:20.700 --> 00:13:25.139 about the person. I mean, yeah, right person. That's, I 211 00:13:25.179 --> 00:13:28.320 think that's a right person thing where we've talked about 212 00:13:28.340 --> 00:13:31.700 that already with like psychics and stuff and really sensitive people. 213 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:36.820 And it's, it's like some people are wired up better 214 00:13:36.899 --> 00:13:41.679 to perceive these things or maybe there are certain people 215 00:13:41.779 --> 00:13:46.000 are wired up to perceive certain things and I mean, 216 00:13:46.220 --> 00:13:48.779 who knows? Maybe I could see the person a thousand 217 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:50.000 miles away and Robbie can't. 218 00:13:50.590 --> 00:13:50.850 Yeah. 219 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:53.250 You know, for whatever reason. 220 00:13:55.269 --> 00:13:59.429 It's one of those things, it brings up a million 221 00:13:59.529 --> 00:14:03.960 different questions. Oh gosh, yes. And like you were saying, 222 00:14:03.980 --> 00:14:07.679 there's just no way to prove it. I mean, unless, 223 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:12.539 you know, someone sits down, has a podcast, records it. 224 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:17.360 And then it throws it out on the ethernet. And 225 00:14:17.379 --> 00:14:20.299 then it's like, oh, I heard this episode so-and-so on 226 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:21.620 this podcast. 227 00:14:21.740 --> 00:14:24.899 And it's time-stamped and everything. So we just need to be, like, 228 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:28.669 talking about our crazy dreams then and just seeing if 229 00:14:28.710 --> 00:14:29.629 they come true. 230 00:14:31.129 --> 00:14:31.450 Yes. 231 00:14:31.830 --> 00:14:32.690 That's a good idea. 232 00:14:32.970 --> 00:14:37.789 I mean, that's really, other than that, how do you 233 00:14:37.830 --> 00:14:40.070 track it? You can't really track it. 234 00:14:40.470 --> 00:14:40.970 You can't. 235 00:14:41.950 --> 00:14:42.769 No, you can't. 236 00:14:42.850 --> 00:14:45.879 And I mean, and that goes to something called clairvoyance, 237 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:49.960 you know, or far seeing where people can, um. 238 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:54.480 And, or they'll do like, they'll do it with. 239 00:14:54.379 --> 00:14:57.759 Like shipwrecks and things where you'll get a really strong 240 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:01.210 psychic person. And, and yes, I'll come back to operations 241 00:15:01.250 --> 00:15:03.389 in a second, but you'll get a really strong psychic 242 00:15:03.429 --> 00:15:06.629 person and they'll say, okay, we're trying to figure out 243 00:15:06.649 --> 00:15:11.639 where the ship sunk. And, um, they are able to 244 00:15:11.860 --> 00:15:17.379 like draw enough of the like landscape. Oh, it's, it's 245 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:21.309 sunk off of this Island with these types of mountains 246 00:15:21.730 --> 00:15:24.509 and I can see the ship and it's like at 247 00:15:24.590 --> 00:15:29.549 this depth and stuff. And then they're able to verify that, 248 00:15:30.230 --> 00:15:31.759 you know, and say, Oh, okay. 249 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:32.860 Yeah, they were right. 250 00:15:33.299 --> 00:15:37.120 Or, um, sometimes police departments will use psychics, you know, 251 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:39.899 it's like, Oh, well, okay, the body is buried in 252 00:15:39.940 --> 00:15:42.639 the woods, and here's, you know, next to a boulder, and, 253 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.679 you know, all that, and then they're, like, able to 254 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:45.440 verify that. 255 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:51.679 I mean, it's almost, when it comes to locations, and 256 00:15:51.730 --> 00:15:54.950 you know the psychic or the psychic is going there, 257 00:15:54.970 --> 00:16:00.289 it's just like people know apparitions, which we, in the 258 00:16:00.330 --> 00:16:06.250 most recent

investigation we've experienced, they know apparitions. more than 259 00:16:06.309 --> 00:16:10.029 what we think they know on that side. So the 260 00:16:10.129 --> 00:16:18.049 apparitions themselves will almost find you, in a sense, because 261 00:16:18.070 --> 00:16:20.110 it's like the whole thousand miles things. 262 00:16:20.129 --> 00:16:22.230 They're drawn to certain people. 263 00:16:22.269 --> 00:16:24.370 They're drawn, and so if you know you're going to 264 00:16:24.409 --> 00:16:28.649 that location, I've heard, in fact, I've experienced it. I'll 265 00:16:28.669 --> 00:16:32.690 be going to a location, and then I'll start dreaming stuff, 266 00:16:32.730 --> 00:16:38.110 hearing things. about that specific location, not knowing. I'm like, 267 00:16:38.169 --> 00:16:40.789 where is this information coming from? What is it for? 268 00:16:40.870 --> 00:16:43.649 And then I get to that location, and I'm like, 269 00:16:45.230 --> 00:16:49.429 it was from them. This information was coming from the apparitions, 270 00:16:49.470 --> 00:16:51.470 the spirits from this location. 271 00:16:51.490 --> 00:16:51.570 Okay. 272 00:16:53.049 --> 00:16:56.669 Telling me about this location before I got here. 273 00:16:57.389 --> 00:16:58.529 For whatever reason. 274 00:16:58.789 --> 00:16:58.990 Yeah. 275 00:16:59.289 --> 00:17:04.059 So there again, it's almost like a psychic connection, but... 276 00:17:04.450 --> 00:17:08.329 It's not with another person. It's with a ghost. 277 00:17:09.509 --> 00:17:13.369 Yeah. Which, again, we've experienced recently. 278 00:17:13.390 --> 00:17:13.470 Yeah. 279 00:17:16.009 --> 00:17:22.029 Like, the spirits under Cultivate here in Waco was calling 280 00:17:22.069 --> 00:17:28.009 people out by name. Yeah. These names were not even 281 00:17:28.130 --> 00:17:33.609 mentioned close to the building, within the building itself. And yet... 282 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:36.680 these people's names were being called. 283 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:37.619 Yes. 284 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:40.059 And comments were being made about them. 285 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:41.019 Yeah. 286 00:17:41.099 --> 00:17:41.339 Yeah. 287 00:17:41.380 --> 00:17:45.240 So it's like, it's one of those, like, for whatever reason, 288 00:17:45.259 --> 00:17:49.420 those connections were there. They were made one way or another. 289 00:17:50.980 --> 00:17:57.009 So they decided to call them out. And here we are. 290 00:17:57.029 --> 00:18:00.730 So it's like, it's very like, whoa. Yeah. Okay. 291 00:18:01.410 --> 00:18:05.079 It's almost like somebody, a ghost was like, floating around 292 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:07.759 in the alley or something and they overheard our conversation 293 00:18:07.819 --> 00:18:10.180 as we were like walking up to the building yeah 294 00:18:10.660 --> 00:18:16.029 and repeated back um a name and a comment about 295 00:18:16.049 --> 00:18:18.289 the i don't want to get into too much personal 296 00:18:18.329 --> 00:18:23.230 information it wasn't too too flattering but. 297 00:18:22.390 --> 00:18:24.450 It was quite funny but. 298 00:18:24.210 --> 00:18:26.869 It was funny but not very not very it was. 299 00:18:26.890 --> 00:18:34.319 A It definitely verified. The triangulation was there. 300 00:18:34.900 --> 00:18:37.980 It was, yes. We were, I'll say this much. I'm 301 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.039 trying to, because people are like, what the hell are 302 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:44.109 you talking about? Yes, we, Allison and I, we were 303 00:18:44.269 --> 00:18:47.569 on our way to check out the tunnels. And I've 304 00:18:47.609 --> 00:18:51.549 got information on the haunted tunnels that we've been looking 305 00:18:51.630 --> 00:18:54.869 into on the Wake Up Host page. But anyway, we 306 00:18:54.890 --> 00:18:58.710 had invited someone to come along with us. that we 307 00:18:58.750 --> 00:19:04.490 had just met with, and they were saying, no, I 308 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:09.660 don't want to do that. That's scary. That makes me uncomfortable. 309 00:19:10.380 --> 00:19:12.779 I don't want to, you know, no thank you. Basically, 310 00:19:12.819 --> 00:19:16.900 hard no. I'm not going to come with you. And 311 00:19:17.619 --> 00:19:20.630 we're like, okay, all right. We're kind of laughing and 312 00:19:20.650 --> 00:19:24.930 joking about it. And so on the way from that 313 00:19:25.289 --> 00:19:29.690 meeting with the other person, We were walking towards Cultivate 314 00:19:29.730 --> 00:19:33.450 where the tunnels are, and we were laughing and joking about, oh, 315 00:19:34.150 --> 00:19:38.279 so-and-so is such a wuss, you know, and such a wimp, 316 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:39.279 and ha-ha-ha. 317 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:40.529 You know, we're joking about it. 318 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:44.750 And when we went into the tunnels and we did 319 00:19:44.789 --> 00:19:50.440 a necrophonic session, um we we got the word wuss 320 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:53.839 i mean it was it was very clear very clear 321 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:57.730 very clear we got the word wuss and we're kind 322 00:19:57.769 --> 00:20:00.869 of like laughing about it and we're like well who's 323 00:20:00.930 --> 00:20:05.130 a wuss and the necrophonic said the other person's name 324 00:20:05.589 --> 00:20:10.390 so we thought that was like really funny and, and 325 00:20:10.849 --> 00:20:11.410 kind of cool. 326 00:20:11.589 --> 00:20:17.490 Yeah. Yeah. And that stuff like that, it's again, triangulation. 327 00:20:17.890 --> 00:20:21.470 And so it was funny because sometimes on investigations, we 328 00:20:21.619 --> 00:20:25.859 ask for like key words and phrases to make sure 329 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:30.430 we're speaking to the right spirit. And like, You couldn't 330 00:20:30.670 --> 00:20:34.369 have asked for a better clarification than that right there. 331 00:20:34.390 --> 00:20:35.950 It was freaking hilarious. 332 00:20:36.029 --> 00:20:40.710 And we weren't even

asking for clarification or verification, but 333 00:20:41.430 --> 00:20:45.690 that goes to show, like, as investigators, by our definition 334 00:20:45.710 --> 00:20:50.369 of apparitions and ghosts, they were listening in. They let 335 00:20:50.450 --> 00:20:54.259 us know where they were when we were talking about it. 336 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:55.519 They were right there with us. 337 00:20:55.660 --> 00:20:57.960 It sure seems like something was eavesdropping. 338 00:20:57.980 --> 00:20:58.660 Yes. Yes. 339 00:20:59.019 --> 00:21:04.130 Yes. Because, yeah, our line of questioning on the necrophonic 340 00:21:04.150 --> 00:21:07.369 session was just very generic. It's like, is there anybody here? 341 00:21:07.730 --> 00:21:11.190 Please tell us your name. Why are you messing around 342 00:21:11.250 --> 00:21:15.529 with the lights? Those types of things. The conversation or 343 00:21:15.730 --> 00:21:18.130 the questions, it wasn't a conversation, but the questions we 344 00:21:18.150 --> 00:21:23.430 were asking were just our typical ghost hunting questions. They 345 00:21:23.450 --> 00:21:28.690 had nothing to do with... Who we were just meeting with. 346 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:29.519 Yeah. 347 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:30.039 At all. 348 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:32.980 I mean, the intention of us being down there was 349 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:37.880 really to, for the motion sensor lights, was to figure 350 00:21:37.940 --> 00:21:40.809 out the timing of those, you know, how do they 351 00:21:40.849 --> 00:21:44.690 get triggered, stuff like that. And just like, hey, if 352 00:21:44.730 --> 00:21:48.119 you're here, trigger the lights, that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. 353 00:21:48.500 --> 00:21:50.980 Soul intention was totally different. 354 00:21:51.539 --> 00:21:51.980 Yeah. 355 00:21:52.299 --> 00:21:52.500 Yeah. 356 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:56.240 That was, that was pretty funny. And, and so, yeah, on, 357 00:21:56.460 --> 00:21:59.789 on that, um, and aside, yes, we. 358 00:21:59.740 --> 00:22:02.789 Are just, just to fill everybody in on, on the tunnels. 359 00:22:02.809 --> 00:22:05.069 Like I said, I've got some videos up on, on 360 00:22:05.089 --> 00:22:08.269 my way, but ghosts webs are Facebook and Instagram sites 361 00:22:08.769 --> 00:22:11.150 that can tell you more about this, but we're having 362 00:22:11.190 --> 00:22:15.599 some really strange experiences with these, um, lights that are 363 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:17.740 going on and off at strange times. And even at 364 00:22:17.869 --> 00:22:23.690 one time went off per request, um, underneath the, you know, 365 00:22:23.710 --> 00:22:26.490 there's these kind of tunnels or hallways. They're really creepy 366 00:22:27.029 --> 00:22:30.329 under cultivate, um, here in downtown Lakeville. I know I've 367 00:22:30.349 --> 00:22:32.730 had a people, a couple of people ask about, Oh gee, 368 00:22:32.750 --> 00:22:33.549 I want to go down there. 369 00:22:33.569 --> 00:22:34.710

It's like, no, I'm sorry. 370 00:22:34.950 --> 00:22:35.430 Sorry. 371 00:22:35.450 --> 00:22:37.549 Can't go down there. It's employees only. 372 00:22:37.569 --> 00:22:44.519 Um, but we, in addition, um, then this will hopefully 373 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:47.819 bring us back to the topic at hand because we. 374 00:22:47.869 --> 00:22:50.329 Love talking about our ghost hunts. They're so fun. 375 00:22:51.690 --> 00:22:56.430 But we both saw what appeared to be shadow people 376 00:22:57.230 --> 00:23:00.089 coming out of the walls and peeking around the corners, 377 00:23:00.589 --> 00:23:07.190 which is another type of apparition. And I think those 378 00:23:07.650 --> 00:23:11.890 are more common. Well, I know they're more common than... 379 00:23:12.250 --> 00:23:15.069 The actual, you know, I see what looks. 380 00:23:14.890 --> 00:23:17.380 Like a person walking around type thing. 381 00:23:19.259 --> 00:23:23.519 But yeah, so we've just recently had some kind of 382 00:23:24.579 --> 00:23:27.319 apparitional experiences. 383 00:23:27.700 --> 00:23:31.000 And what's funny is that even about that is that 384 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:35.000 we were, you and I had seen them on opposite 385 00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:41.000 sides of the hallway originally. Yes. So we had gone down. 386 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:46.109 The entrance from, I guess, the access point from where 387 00:23:46.150 --> 00:23:46.769 we came in. 388 00:23:47.329 --> 00:23:48.950 Yeah. 389 00:23:49.049 --> 00:23:53.569 We walked on that far end and, again, testing out 390 00:23:53.589 --> 00:23:57.180 the lights. The lights went out. It was probably, what, 391 00:23:57.779 --> 00:24:01.180 a minute after? Yeah. The lights turned off and I 392 00:24:01.180 --> 00:24:01.680 started seeing it. 393 00:24:01.700 --> 00:24:02.759 It wasn't long, yeah. 394 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:06.980 And I had said something and even walked down there 395 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.289 and everything. No, so then, I forget what it was, 396 00:24:11.329 --> 00:24:13.509 but we were both on that other end at the 397 00:24:13.549 --> 00:24:14.970 same side of the access point. 398 00:24:14.990 --> 00:24:16.450 Mm-hmm. 399 00:24:16.470 --> 00:24:20.089 I went to go check something upstairs. You were coming back, 400 00:24:20.150 --> 00:24:23.750 and that's when you saw something. Yes. Where we had 401 00:24:23.809 --> 00:24:24.869 originally set up. 402 00:24:25.589 --> 00:24:29.109 Yes, yes, right there towards the one end of the hallway. 403 00:24:29.170 --> 00:24:34.230 And the interesting thing is we had four shadow people sightings, 404 00:24:34.690 --> 00:24:39.690 two when it was dark and two when it was light. Mm-hmm. So, 405 00:24:40.349 --> 00:24:44.369 and each of us saw things. So, you know, there again, 406 00:24:44.390 --> 00:24:49.109 I see that as a little more credible. You know, 407 00:24:49.150 --> 00:24:52.819 we had four different sightings, two dark, two light, two 408 00:24:52.859 --> 00:24:53.619 different people. 409 00:24:54.019 --> 00:24:55.000 We're still continuing. 410 00:24:55.019 --> 00:25:02.599 That's an ongoing investigation for sure. But, yeah, shadow people 411 00:25:02.740 --> 00:25:08.420 I definitely count as apparitional activity, and those are really 412 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.490 pretty common. common they're they're kind of cool when you 413 00:25:11.509 --> 00:25:13.509 see them but yeah. 414 00:25:13.869 --> 00:25:17.789 Those i feel like your typical i saw something on 415 00:25:17.809 --> 00:25:21.289 the corner of my eye yeah you know as you're 416 00:25:21.509 --> 00:25:26.119 going to bed switching lights off and then you catch 417 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:31.200 a glimpse that's your typical thing yep yeah so if 418 00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:33.299 people it's like well what about this it's like yeah 419 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:36.759 that's that's pretty much what it is if It's at night. 420 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.329 Most common sighting is at night or in a dark place. 421 00:25:40.549 --> 00:25:40.930 Yeah. 422 00:25:41.609 --> 00:25:41.930 Yeah. 423 00:25:42.809 --> 00:25:43.950 Yeah. Yeah. 424 00:25:44.430 --> 00:25:46.470 It's just all kinds of crazy stuff here. But, yeah, 425 00:25:46.490 --> 00:25:48.809 that was fun. Looking forward to going back, of course. 426 00:25:50.829 --> 00:25:57.759 Other apparitions, of course, there's the traditional idea of. 427 00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:02.880 Apparitions are the spirits of dead people. 428 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:04.140 And. 429 00:26:04.829 --> 00:26:08.410 there's still a lot of debate around that. And I mean, 430 00:26:08.430 --> 00:26:10.779 we've basically spent the last half an hour kind of 431 00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:15.859 trying to bounce different ideas around. It's kind of like, well, 432 00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:19.920 you know, I'm not going to say that they're not, 433 00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:24.710 but there could be other spiritual beings, which we've also 434 00:26:24.769 --> 00:26:30.450 had podcasts about, or it could be some kind of energy, 435 00:26:30.630 --> 00:26:37.599 or it could be telepathic communication somehow. And that's something 436 00:26:37.650 --> 00:26:41.200 that I'm a little bit, it kind of annoys me 437 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:47.220 about the ghost hunting community in general is if you're 438 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:51.160 just going to automatically jump to all ghosts or dead people, 439 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:59.730 you're really limiting yourself because the real answer to whatever 440 00:27:00.069 --> 00:27:05.329 mystery you're investigating may not be a dead person. you 441 00:27:05.380 --> 00:27:09.410 may be seeing an apparition, but it doesn't necessarily mean 442 00:27:09.509 --> 00:27:13.970 it's somebody that's passed. Even if you look at the 443 00:27:14.029 --> 00:27:18.349 person and you think, oh yeah, well, we've got some, 444 00:27:18.410 --> 00:27:22.410 we've got a, for example, we've

got a picture of 445 00:27:22.430 --> 00:27:27.930 this person in this location, you know, Lady Smith, the 446 00:27:28.109 --> 00:27:32.509 mistress of the mansion. Who's to say that, you know, yes, 447 00:27:32.609 --> 00:27:37.000 you see Lady Smith walking down the stairway and you're thinking, oh, 448 00:27:37.019 --> 00:27:42.369 that's the ghost of Lady Smith. Possibly, but who's to 449 00:27:42.430 --> 00:27:47.309 say it's not something called a residual haunting where energy 450 00:27:47.430 --> 00:27:51.890 somehow imprints into the environment and plays it back to 451 00:27:51.950 --> 00:27:53.930 people kind of like a movie. 452 00:27:54.230 --> 00:27:54.920 So, you know, it. 453 00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:58.059 Could be Lady Smith is just almost like some sort 454 00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:03.339 of movie that's been recorded in the environment or there's 455 00:28:03.380 --> 00:28:08.970 the possibility that that your brain can be interpreting something weird. 456 00:28:09.049 --> 00:28:12.839 There's something anomalous going on on the stairwell. And because 457 00:28:13.150 --> 00:28:17.319 you just saw a portrait of Lady Smith in the parlor, 458 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:23.039 your brain maybe is interpreting that entity or shadow or 459 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:28.799 person or whatever it is as Lady Smith. It's an interpretation. So, 460 00:28:28.819 --> 00:28:34.039 I mean, are those things definitely true? No, we don't know. 461 00:28:34.549 --> 00:28:38.380 We don't know, but it's kind of like, and that's 462 00:28:38.430 --> 00:28:41.000 why I like our group is that it's, it's kind 463 00:28:41.019 --> 00:28:44.019 of like, okay, we all have our leanings one way 464 00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:51.880 or another, but we don't shut out different ideas because 465 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.940 that could be where the truth is. 466 00:28:55.579 --> 00:28:58.539 And so, and there's just so much we don't know. 467 00:28:58.819 --> 00:29:01.529 I mean, not, like I said, not to say that 468 00:29:02.069 --> 00:29:05.259 ghosts aren't the spirits of the dead, but They may 469 00:29:05.299 --> 00:29:07.099 not be. It may be something else. 470 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:12.440 And, you know, it's interesting. And one of the common 471 00:29:12.529 --> 00:29:16.180 questions I get is, what's the difference between an intelligent 472 00:29:16.269 --> 00:29:22.049 apparition and residual? For me, the easiest way to put it, 473 00:29:22.289 --> 00:29:26.029 which will go back to one of your stories with 474 00:29:26.750 --> 00:29:27.730 the LaSalle shops. 475 00:29:28.089 --> 00:29:28.289 Oh, yeah. 476 00:29:29.220 --> 00:29:34.720 Residuals essentially imagine you constantly walking to your house, putting 477 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.230 your keys in the same spot and going to the bathroom. 478 00:29:39.130 --> 00:29:41.299 If that's your thing. every time you get home from 479 00:29:41.380 --> 00:29:47.470 work and something happens, you move away, you

pass away, 480 00:29:48.109 --> 00:29:50.670 and then the next homeowner or 20 years from now, 481 00:29:51.009 --> 00:29:53.329 that homeowner all of a sudden starts seeing that. 482 00:29:53.349 --> 00:29:54.910 Mm-hmm. 483 00:29:54.930 --> 00:29:57.769 And they're going to be like, what's this? Mm-hmm. Well, 484 00:29:57.970 --> 00:30:00.859 it's just that what you're saying, that imprint of your 485 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:05.779 energy constantly doing the same thing. Yeah. It has no, 486 00:30:05.779 --> 00:30:08.660 I guess. 487 00:30:09.099 --> 00:30:09.680 Consciousness? 488 00:30:09.819 --> 00:30:13.150 Consciousness, no thoughts behind it. Awareness? Yeah, so it's just 489 00:30:13.170 --> 00:30:13.690 doing that. 490 00:30:14.230 --> 00:30:14.630 Yeah. 491 00:30:14.950 --> 00:30:17.650 It's just stuck on this loop at the same time. 492 00:30:17.670 --> 00:30:23.519 Whereas intelligent, which it sounds like with the LaSalle, with 493 00:30:24.859 --> 00:30:26.059 the teachers, Mabel. 494 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:28.009 Oh, yes, Mabel Legg. 495 00:30:28.230 --> 00:30:32.869 Yes, where, you know, they were getting these weird responses 496 00:30:33.049 --> 00:30:38.009 or these weird things going on. The item that it 497 00:30:38.049 --> 00:30:41.150 was attached to was removed, and then the haunting. 498 00:30:41.170 --> 00:30:41.849 She left, yeah. 499 00:30:42.369 --> 00:30:45.289 So it's almost like this intelligent spirit was like, hey, 500 00:30:45.390 --> 00:30:50.380 I'm here. Hey, learn more about my story, trying to 501 00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:52.480 find a way to get that message out. 502 00:30:53.019 --> 00:30:53.500 That could be. 503 00:30:54.349 --> 00:30:57.009 Do we know? No, but it sounds a little bit 504 00:30:57.049 --> 00:31:01.210 more intelligent because once the item was removed... So was 505 00:31:01.230 --> 00:31:01.670 the person. 506 00:31:01.970 --> 00:31:04.910 Yeah. Or so was the ghost, I guess, not the person. But, yeah, 507 00:31:04.970 --> 00:31:10.259 I mean, there's just so many questions. And, I mean, 508 00:31:10.299 --> 00:31:14.079 to me, I'm totally comfortable with that. It's like, okay, 509 00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:15.859 this is great. It gives us a whole lot more 510 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:16.680 to explore. 511 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:19.700 And so, yeah, could. 512 00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.400 Could Mabel have been this intelligent ghost that's saying, yeah, 513 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.509 I want my story out there? Sure, yeah. Or it 514 00:31:27.529 --> 00:31:30.190 could have been just energy from her photo. 515 00:31:30.589 --> 00:31:30.829 Yeah. 516 00:31:31.269 --> 00:31:34.549 Or that she was somehow... Yeah, the energy somehow attached 517 00:31:34.569 --> 00:31:35.069 to the photo. 518 00:31:35.109 --> 00:31:37.109 I mean, we don't know. 519 00:31:38.329 --> 00:31:41.119 When you do investigating with stuff like that, it definitely 520 00:31:41.259 --> 00:31:44.200 opens the right door for you to be able to 521 00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:46.200 continue the investigation to. 522 00:31:48.019 --> 00:31:52.339 Find out exactly what kind of apparition it is because 523 00:31:54.059 --> 00:31:55.380 from what we know, it stopped. 524 00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:56.359 Yeah. 525 00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.069 From what you know, it stopped. Oh, yeah. So it definitely, 526 00:32:00.089 --> 00:32:03.369 it's like, okay, maybe it could be an intelligent spirit 527 00:32:03.390 --> 00:32:06.009 that was attached to the item. 528 00:32:06.390 --> 00:32:06.589 Yeah. 529 00:32:06.609 --> 00:32:08.910 So let's go down that avenue because it looks like 530 00:32:09.069 --> 00:32:11.289 right now that's the door that's open. So let's go 531 00:32:11.349 --> 00:32:15.089 explore this. So it kind of, as an investigator, it 532 00:32:15.130 --> 00:32:17.670 allows you to ask the right questions. 533 00:32:18.289 --> 00:32:18.549 Yes. 534 00:32:18.950 --> 00:32:19.769 Such a good point. 535 00:32:20.509 --> 00:32:20.809 Yeah. 536 00:32:21.309 --> 00:32:21.470 Yeah. 537 00:32:21.509 --> 00:32:23.950 I totally agree. I totally agree. 538 00:32:23.990 --> 00:32:28.220 Yeah. Yeah. But I'm looking at my notes here, but yeah, 539 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:35.339 there's lots of like residual type stories of those, those 540 00:32:35.700 --> 00:32:40.420 quote unquote ghosts that don't respond. I was thinking of 541 00:32:40.460 --> 00:32:42.519 the battles at Gettysburg. 542 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:43.220 Yeah. 543 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.660 You know, that's like one of the most haunted places 544 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:47.880 in the nation. One of my bucket list items, by the. 545 00:32:47.829 --> 00:32:50.000 Way, Save. Save. 546 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.000 But from what I understand, and I mean, and it's 547 00:32:53.380 --> 00:32:57.880 so many people that go to the battlefields and they experience, 548 00:32:57.900 --> 00:33:00.660 you know, they hear the cannon fire and the screams 549 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:07.220 and they'll see apparitions, you know, soldiers and things like that. 550 00:33:08.019 --> 00:33:11.119 And they're not interacting. They're not interacting with the people. 551 00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:15.180 They're just kind of there doing their thing because, and 552 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.650 I see that as just like this pure energy from 553 00:33:18.769 --> 00:33:25.190 this really awful time in history that somehow was preserved. 554 00:33:25.569 --> 00:33:32.720 And talk about traumatic and residual apparitions at the same place. Yeah. 555 00:33:32.740 --> 00:33:37.440 Because I'm sure it's both. It's just they constantly did 556 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:42.579 the same thing. A lot of them died in tragic ways. Yeah. 557 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:48.480 So if you could only imagine just them... like they don't, 558 00:33:48.619 --> 00:33:51.990 sometimes they don't even realize that they passed. Yeah. And 559 00:33:52.009 --> 00:33:56.150

it's just living that thing over and over again and 560 00:33:56.430 --> 00:34:00.250 your trauma response of passing. So then your energy is 561 00:34:00.289 --> 00:34:01.230 just stuck there. 562 00:34:01.970 --> 00:34:03.650 I hope it's just their energy. 563 00:34:04.009 --> 00:34:07.710 I would hope that would be, you talk about heaven 564 00:34:07.769 --> 00:34:11.800 and hell, that would be hell if you were, I mean, seriously, 565 00:34:12.179 --> 00:34:16.590 if you were a conscious apparition of, And you're in 566 00:34:16.769 --> 00:34:21.420 a loop of, I'm dying in horrible ways all the time. 567 00:34:21.619 --> 00:34:25.739 In Gettysburg, where I'm a soldier over and over. I mean, 568 00:34:26.139 --> 00:34:29.480 I'm spending eternity. Yay. 569 00:34:29.500 --> 00:34:31.300 I hope that's not happening. 570 00:34:31.389 --> 00:34:31.800 Yeah. 571 00:34:32.139 --> 00:34:33.070 I really hope not. 572 00:34:33.090 --> 00:34:35.989 I never know. But yeah. 573 00:34:36.530 --> 00:34:38.650 Gosh, that'd be awful. I never even thought of that. 574 00:34:38.670 --> 00:34:38.750 Yeah. 575 00:34:40.650 --> 00:34:43.829 That's dark. That's like really dark. 576 00:34:45.610 --> 00:34:48.849 I mean, I don't know. 577 00:34:49.409 --> 00:34:50.409 We've had. 578 00:34:52.309 --> 00:34:55.969 Some conversations with people about how do you know what 579 00:34:56.010 --> 00:35:00.400 you're talking about. And I feel comfortable saying this. I've 580 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.500 had this conversation with my brother as well, oddly enough, recently. 581 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:11.829 So it's just like, yeah, well, you don't necessarily always know. But, 582 00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.269 I mean, I remember. 583 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:18.940 All those years ago when I took your class. 584 00:35:19.699 --> 00:35:22.920 Many years ago. 585 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:28.739 Back in my day. Back in 99. But when I 586 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:32.539 first took your class, I remember you saying that one 587 00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:36.739 of the best tools that you have is your body. 588 00:35:37.300 --> 00:35:38.000 Absolutely. 589 00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:43.519 Because, which I've used this reference many times, is your body, yes. 590 00:35:44.929 --> 00:35:48.429 Is the best tool because you look at people that 591 00:35:48.530 --> 00:35:54.530 are first responders, serve in the military, do these dangerous jobs. 592 00:35:54.650 --> 00:35:58.360 They tell you the same thing is trust your gut. 593 00:35:58.889 --> 00:36:02.079 They just say, trust your gut, trust your instincts. Yeah. 594 00:36:02.460 --> 00:36:08.119 Because if they're screaming at you, you're in danger. Usually 595 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:12.119 that's about time when they call backup or they say, Hey, 596 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.789 we need to secure the location. Yeah. Same thing goes 597 00:36:15.849 --> 00:36:18.670 for us. It's you have to trust your body. You 598 00:36:18.730 --> 00:36:23.690 have to trust your instincts because we don't always know 599 00:36:23.809 --> 00:36:25.369 what we're getting ourselves into. 600 00:36:25.389 --> 00:36:30.199 That's such an excellent point. Gosh, that's an excellent point. Yeah, 601 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.340 I had, it's interesting you, oh gosh, it's interesting you 602 00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:34.900 bring that up. 603 00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:38.199 And that's kind of an aside, but it's such a 604 00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:38.539 good one. 605 00:36:39.019 --> 00:36:41.719 Yeah, I got a comment on the Instagram about our 606 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:46.739 tunnel video. And it wrapped up with, you know, we're 607 00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:48.139 both feeling. 608 00:36:47.860 --> 00:36:48.929 Like we need to leave. 609 00:36:50.210 --> 00:36:50.969 And we left. 610 00:36:51.590 --> 00:36:54.869 And so somebody puts a comment on there, oh, so 611 00:36:54.909 --> 00:36:56.809 you say you're ghost hunters, but you leave when the 612 00:36:56.849 --> 00:37:01.159 ghost comes. And I'm like, no, we've been there a 613 00:37:01.219 --> 00:37:04.719 while already. And I didn't want to go through this big, 614 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.260 long explanation of what you just beautifully explained, but that's why. 615 00:37:08.380 --> 00:37:12.699 It's kind of like, and it's something that, is really 616 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:16.179 important about trusting your gut and even in these types 617 00:37:16.260 --> 00:37:21.179 of paranormal situations where, you know what, if there's something 618 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:25.659 that you just feel off about or it's just not right, 619 00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:30.980 you leave. And that was the situation there at the tail. 620 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:31.159 End of it. 621 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:35.420 We were just like, no, something's just, this is creepy. 622 00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:38.420 It's not right. Yeah, it was not good. 623 00:37:38.579 --> 00:37:41.539 It was off. And it was not the first time 624 00:37:41.619 --> 00:37:44.489 that we were there. You and I were there, either. Yeah. 625 00:37:44.730 --> 00:37:46.829 And it definitely... It's like the third time we've been 626 00:37:46.849 --> 00:37:47.369 here together. 627 00:37:47.570 --> 00:37:47.730 Yeah. 628 00:37:47.789 --> 00:37:49.730 And it's definitely not going to be the last. So 629 00:37:49.789 --> 00:37:53.690 it's not like one of those, like, oh, we left, so... 630 00:37:53.449 --> 00:37:54.570 Because we're all scared. 631 00:37:54.630 --> 00:37:55.710 Oh, it's a ghost. 632 00:37:55.769 --> 00:37:56.590 No, we don't do that. 633 00:37:56.630 --> 00:38:00.360 No, it's... And the good thing is, it is a 634 00:38:00.449 --> 00:38:05.599 safe place. Yeah. Quote, unquote. Like, you know, again, time 635 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:10.760 and place. Mm-hmm. that at that time, at that place, 636 00:38:11.300 --> 00:38:13.800 it was our time to leave. 637 00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:15.119 It really

was. 638 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.239 And you could just feel the energy shift. 639 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:18.860 Yeah. 640 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:25.170 Whether, you know, the apparitions, because at the beginning it 641 00:38:25.230 --> 00:38:27.949 was relatively calm, and then we started to get stuff. 642 00:38:28.530 --> 00:38:30.010 We started seeing things. 643 00:38:30.789 --> 00:38:31.010 Yeah. 644 00:38:31.650 --> 00:38:35.750 And, I mean, it's just like it's one of those 645 00:38:35.789 --> 00:38:40.670 you've got to respect We talk about this a lot, too. 646 00:38:40.750 --> 00:38:46.780 You have to respect the apparitions, the spirits, the building, everything. 647 00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:51.820 And it's like, yes, I work there. So for me, 648 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:55.320 it's not like I'm never going there again. No, in fact, 649 00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:56.820 I will be there tomorrow. 650 00:38:56.840 --> 00:39:00.059 You're going down there. 651 00:39:01.099 --> 00:39:06.570 So it's just the matter of, At that time, during 652 00:39:06.610 --> 00:39:09.730 that time of day, it was our time to leave. 653 00:39:09.989 --> 00:39:10.380 It really was. 654 00:39:10.389 --> 00:39:11.940 Because of what was going on. 655 00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.119 Yeah, and we just both felt that, you know, we 656 00:39:15.139 --> 00:39:17.679 need to leave, and we did. I mean, so, yeah, 657 00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:19.429 and that's just basically it. 658 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:20.659 It's like, yeah, trust your gut. 659 00:39:21.099 --> 00:39:27.460 And I think that's really, really important because yes, I think, 660 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:32.119 and we get this common question a lot is, oh 661 00:39:32.139 --> 00:39:35.500 my gosh, you know, ghosts, aren't they evil? Isn't it, 662 00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:39.679 you know, evil spirits? And, and it's like, well, I 663 00:39:39.739 --> 00:39:44.610 don't believe that everything paranormal is evil. I think that's 664 00:39:44.809 --> 00:39:50.699 painting it with too broad of a brush, but My faith, 665 00:39:50.980 --> 00:39:54.559 my Christian faith says there are evil things out there. 666 00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:58.639 And I was having a conversation just with my occultist 667 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.280 friend Brian the other night about that. And again, and 668 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:09.260 he was like, yeah, sometimes you're in a situation where 669 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:16.280 there's something nasty. And it can basically follow you home 670 00:40:16.989 --> 00:40:21.519 and cause chaos in your life. So, yeah, you want 671 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:25.900 to be careful and you want to be protected and 672 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:30.929 you want to protect yourself. And so, yeah, it's a 673 00:40:31.030 --> 00:40:35.769 little more complicated than, oh, we're just going to stick 674 00:40:35.829 --> 00:40:38.670 around even though we feel like we should leave. 675 00:40:38.849 --> 00:40:40.349 I don't think that's a good idea. 676 00:40:40.429 --> 00:40:45.309 And that's the biggest thing, too, is that, yes, with apparitions, 677 00:40:46.050 --> 00:40:50.079 you don't want to put yourself first. in a bad situation, 678 00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:54.059 to where the apparitions, the spirits, are going to retaliate, and, 679 00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:02.679 cause you, to be in this living chaos, and this, constant, whatever, because, 680 00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:07.590 you know, we, we felt that energy, we don't know, 681 00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:11.210 if it was, what it was, exactly, we just knew 682 00:41:11.250 --> 00:41:15.090 that we had to leave, for the, for our own safety, 683 00:41:15.750 --> 00:41:18.440 because we don't want to be put, And that's one 684 00:41:18.460 --> 00:41:21.800 of the things I always recommend. Don't ever put yourself 685 00:41:21.900 --> 00:41:27.059 in a bad situation. If you feel like you're overstaying, 686 00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:32.019 you're welcome, which we felt that night. Yeah. You've got 687 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.730 to leave so that way you don't put yourself in 688 00:41:34.750 --> 00:41:36.489 a bad situation. Yeah. 689 00:41:37.110 --> 00:41:41.230 Yeah, because at the end of the day, we don't 690 00:41:41.550 --> 00:41:47.269 know for certain what we're dealing with. And it can 691 00:41:47.289 --> 00:41:51.110 be different in every single place or every single time 692 00:41:51.170 --> 00:41:54.610 with every single, we just, it's just, be careful. 693 00:41:55.190 --> 00:41:56.989 And we've said that like a bazillion times. 694 00:41:58.630 --> 00:42:01.170 Something I did find interesting when I was looking at 695 00:42:01.210 --> 00:42:09.099 my notes is how we perceive ghosts. Because some people, 696 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:11.619 if there's like a group of people, and this has 697 00:42:11.659 --> 00:42:16.329 happened before, where oh goodness there's a ghost in the 698 00:42:16.369 --> 00:42:22.030 room and person one sees the ghost person two doesn't 699 00:42:22.070 --> 00:42:24.840 see the ghost but they can hear the ghost and 700 00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:29.420 person three can smell a phantom smell but they don't 701 00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:33.480 see or hear the ghost so I find that really 702 00:42:33.500 --> 00:42:37.769 really interesting because it's kind of like I think it 703 00:42:37.789 --> 00:42:42.650 kind of goes back to perceiving things okay Three people 704 00:42:42.710 --> 00:42:47.250 are having weird experiences. So I'd say it's fairly safe 705 00:42:47.289 --> 00:42:50.829 to say something weird is going on. They're experiencing a 706 00:42:50.909 --> 00:42:56.230 ghost or an apparition or something. But they're all experiencing 707 00:42:56.250 --> 00:42:59.730 it differently. So I have to say that there, again, 708 00:43:00.150 --> 00:43:05.090 it's the whole person environment, that whole interactionist thing. It's 709 00:43:05.110 --> 00:43:11.289 like how is

your brain putting together this picture? how 710 00:43:11.349 --> 00:43:18.550 are you perceiving this apparition, for example, if everybody can 711 00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:20.659 perceive it a little bit differently. 712 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:21.900 And also, I. 713 00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:27.280 Remember taking classes at the Rhine, and one of my instructors, 714 00:43:27.300 --> 00:43:33.530 that's at the Rhine Parapsychology Center here in the U.S., 715 00:43:34.150 --> 00:43:37.449 and one of my instructors said, where do ghosts get 716 00:43:37.489 --> 00:43:38.150 their clothes? 717 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.199 And it's like, I kind of laughed. I'm like, oh yeah, 718 00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:41.940 you never think about that. 719 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:49.099 It's like, obviously ghosts are projecting, or it seems like 720 00:43:49.179 --> 00:43:53.179 they're projecting how they want to look. They aren't wearing 721 00:43:53.219 --> 00:43:59.679 their rotten grave clothes. And, you know, they don't necessarily 722 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.530 look like they're corpse in the ground. You know, they 723 00:44:02.550 --> 00:44:07.389 look like they did when they were alive. So... I 724 00:44:07.429 --> 00:44:10.809 think about all that, and they don't have actual vocal cords, 725 00:44:11.349 --> 00:44:14.269 so if they're communicating, how are they communicating? 726 00:44:15.829 --> 00:44:17.530 Is it just brain to brain? 727 00:44:18.940 --> 00:44:22.639 You know, I just don't know. But I find all 728 00:44:22.659 --> 00:44:24.260 that just really, really interesting. 729 00:44:24.900 --> 00:44:27.400 Yeah. Never really thought of that. 730 00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:27.940 Yeah. 731 00:44:30.389 --> 00:44:33.070 See, at first when you were asking, like, oh, where 732 00:44:33.110 --> 00:44:35.889 do they get their clothes, my first thought is, The 733 00:44:35.909 --> 00:44:40.610 ghost shop. Like, it's like, oh yeah, the ghost shop, 734 00:44:40.650 --> 00:44:41.429 they go shopping. 735 00:44:41.449 --> 00:44:44.739 They have big malls in the afterlife. And who knows, 736 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:45.719 maybe they do. 737 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:47.019 Maybe they do. Maybe they do. 738 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:48.860 And they go, I'm going to go pick out an outfit. 739 00:44:48.900 --> 00:44:50.380 I'm going to go scare some people. I'm going to 740 00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:51.119 look nice. 741 00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:56.139 It's like, oh yes, I miss my Victorian dress. 742 00:44:57.460 --> 00:44:59.420 Let me go get one. Go get one. 743 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:03.440 It's like, oh, look, it's a 2026. Maybe I want 744 00:45:03.460 --> 00:45:05.719 to look a little bit more modern. Let's go get 745 00:45:05.820 --> 00:45:07.300 some jeans and a t-shirt. 746 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:08.980 Yeah, let's try something new. 747 00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:10.260 Shake it up a little bit. 748 00:45:12.469 --> 00:45:15.230 But yeah, it's like all of that stuff,

because it's like, 749 00:45:15.250 --> 00:45:20.809 I see it as that our brains are interacting with 750 00:45:20.989 --> 00:45:25.969 something weird in the environment. And we're saying it's a 751 00:45:26.070 --> 00:45:30.380 ghost because that's what it, that's how we define it. 752 00:45:30.449 --> 00:45:34.840 It's like this person standing there that does un-person-like things. 753 00:45:35.389 --> 00:45:38.579 They can float or walk through walls or they might 754 00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:41.099 be kind of translucent. You can kind of see through them, 755 00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:45.619 you know, all that stuff. And it's, it's just when 756 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.260 you really start kind of thinking about it, it does, 757 00:45:48.300 --> 00:45:49.219 it gets kind of trippy. 758 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.559 It's kind of like, really, what, what am I looking 759 00:45:52.659 --> 00:45:52.980 at here? 760 00:45:53.000 --> 00:46:00.320 What, And it even gets more trippy when it interacts back. 761 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:01.699 Yes. 762 00:46:02.019 --> 00:46:05.340 You know, and I've never had that experience. That'd be 763 00:46:05.380 --> 00:46:06.059 really wild. 764 00:46:07.099 --> 00:46:10.659 But yeah, and there's ghost stories about that where it's 765 00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:12.539 kind of like the ghost will come and. 766 00:46:12.500 --> 00:46:13.159 Talk to people. 767 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:19.530 And then you can even complicate that even further with people, 768 00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:25.750 like live people that can project their... spirit or their 769 00:46:25.809 --> 00:46:29.289 soul I guess outside of their bodies that whole out-of-body 770 00:46:29.369 --> 00:46:32.230 experience thing and they can go kind of like towards 771 00:46:32.269 --> 00:46:36.130 the beginning you know the crisis apparition thing but there 772 00:46:36.190 --> 00:46:38.679 are some people that could do it willingly and there's 773 00:46:38.989 --> 00:46:42.429 there was like this one famous experiment I have a 774 00:46:43.420 --> 00:46:46.739 yeah if anybody wants to look it up an out-of-body 775 00:46:46.780 --> 00:46:47.139 case 1968 Dr. 776 00:46:47.139 --> 00:46:47.699 Charles Tartt. 777 00:46:51.530 --> 00:46:56.309 A psychology professor at the University of California, Davis studied 778 00:46:56.329 --> 00:47:00.179 a woman who could supposedly leave her body at will. 779 00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:04.539 And so how they tested that was they had her 780 00:47:04.579 --> 00:47:07.400 in a bed and they had a, I think it 781 00:47:07.460 --> 00:47:09.400 was like a number thing. 782 00:47:10.980 --> 00:47:11.320 Yeah. 783 00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:12.820 Oh, a random number. 784 00:47:13.219 --> 00:47:17.510 The number five on a top shelf in the laboratory 785 00:47:17.530 --> 00:47:22.300 that she couldn't see unless she like left her body and, like, 786 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:27.400 floated up there and saw the number. And so she did. 787 00:47:27.420 --> 00:47:30.860 And she floated up there and saw the number. And 788 00:47:30.900 --> 00:47:35.849 she came back into her body and said, you know, yeah. 789 00:47:35.909 --> 00:47:37.550 It was the number five. 790 00:47:38.469 --> 00:47:46.210 And, you know, how this reminds me of the new Insidious, 791 00:47:48.030 --> 00:47:50.010 the whole astral plane thing. 792 00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:50.880 Yeah. 793 00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:58.110 And how, you know, their spirit goes into the spirit realm. Or, 794 00:47:58.329 --> 00:48:04.489 for all you Marvel fans, the wizard, what is it? 795 00:48:07.590 --> 00:48:10.969 Something supreme, Empress Supreme or something like that, where it's 796 00:48:11.010 --> 00:48:11.510 the lady. 797 00:48:11.530 --> 00:48:13.179 I have no idea. 798 00:48:13.260 --> 00:48:17.420 Anyway, so it's the one where she pushes, like, Hulk's... 799 00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:21.130 Bruce Banner's spirit out of his body. 800 00:48:21.150 --> 00:48:22.010 Oh, wow. 801 00:48:22.210 --> 00:48:24.250 As he's Hulk to talk to him. 802 00:48:24.269 --> 00:48:25.309 Oh, my goodness. 803 00:48:25.769 --> 00:48:28.630 So they do mention it in the MCU. 804 00:48:29.050 --> 00:48:32.010 The Hulk has an out-of-body experience. 805 00:48:32.349 --> 00:48:36.050 So thank you, MCU. Thank you, Disney and Marvel for 806 00:48:36.090 --> 00:48:37.820 that great reference. Y'all are awesome. 807 00:48:38.980 --> 00:48:40.840 That's a much more exciting one than the one I 808 00:48:40.940 --> 00:48:41.599 just did. 809 00:48:41.659 --> 00:48:45.099 Yeah, so they make a reference of that where it's 810 00:48:45.139 --> 00:48:51.550 like she's talking to Bruce Banner. But his physical form 811 00:48:51.610 --> 00:48:55.010 was Hulk. Yeah. So it was like, okay, that's pretty 812 00:48:55.050 --> 00:49:00.500 cool how they're doing that. And Doctor Strange does it 813 00:49:00.579 --> 00:49:03.320 later with Peter Parker. 814 00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:04.260 Oh, wow. 815 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.639 So he's, again, Spider-Man, but he pushes him out, and 816 00:49:07.699 --> 00:49:08.320 Peter Parker. 817 00:49:08.380 --> 00:49:09.199 So he can talk to Peter. 818 00:49:09.219 --> 00:49:09.440 Yeah. 819 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.199 His spirit or whatever. His ghost. 820 00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:12.760 Yeah. 821 00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:16.690 I mean, it's his ghost. Yeah, and I mean, that's nuts. 822 00:49:16.789 --> 00:49:17.389 And then we. 823 00:49:17.449 --> 00:49:20.679 And I mean, there's... That's that whole, what we call doppelgangers, 824 00:49:21.059 --> 00:49:23.639 the whole doppelganger thing. And I mean, I've heard reports 825 00:49:23.699 --> 00:49:30.429 of this where, oh yeah, I saw you at work 826 00:49:30.489 --> 00:49:33.550 this morning. You know, I waved at you. You didn't 827 00:49:33.570 --> 00:49:36.889 wave back at me. And then, you know, the person says, 828 00:49:36.909 --> 00:49:40.679 I called in sick. I wasn't at work

this morning. 829 00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:46.019 That wasn't me. And so those are actually pretty common too. 830 00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:51.219 So it's kind of like, what the heck? 831 00:49:51.340 --> 00:49:56.380 Were you taking a nap and your spirit decided to 832 00:49:56.420 --> 00:49:57.340 come to work anyway? 833 00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.619 I mean, what the heck? What's the deal? 834 00:50:00.739 --> 00:50:03.579 I saw this meme. This is kind of funny about 835 00:50:03.619 --> 00:50:07.980 the whole apparition thing. But it was. 836 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:12.300 I will be at work. You just won't be able 837 00:50:12.340 --> 00:50:17.860 to see me. My spirit will be there working. And 838 00:50:17.900 --> 00:50:21.409 I was like, dude, I actually sent it to my bosses, 839 00:50:21.570 --> 00:50:24.909 and they were like, Allie, you better be here. I 840 00:50:24.909 --> 00:50:29.329 was like, I will. Just not physically, but I'll be there. 841 00:50:30.150 --> 00:50:31.690 My spirit's going to be there. Don't worry. 842 00:50:31.809 --> 00:50:33.369 I'll be there in spirit. 843 00:50:33.449 --> 00:50:36.650 And I was like, my spirit will manage. It's okay. 844 00:50:36.710 --> 00:50:39.239 It'll be fine. I'm going to pull that on my students. 845 00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:41.889 I'm going to, like, have a bunch of EMF meters 846 00:50:42.030 --> 00:50:43.809 in each of their chairs and just, you. 847 00:50:43.710 --> 00:50:45.969 Know, not show up. Say, no, I'm really here. 848 00:50:45.989 --> 00:50:46.730 I'm here. 849 00:50:46.750 --> 00:50:47.570 You can test it. 850 00:50:49.750 --> 00:50:51.769 Just, you know, try to discern what I'm saying. 851 00:50:54.289 --> 00:50:59.690 But, yes, I was like, that whole operation is very important. 852 00:51:01.210 --> 00:51:01.769 I like that. 853 00:51:01.869 --> 00:51:06.559 I'm sorry. My ADHD brain over there had to... No, no. 854 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.159 Hey, you were able to work in The Hulk and Spider-Man, 855 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:14.010 so I'm totally for it. I'm like talking about some 856 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:19.269 stuffy professor from the 60s with a number five hidden 857 00:51:19.309 --> 00:51:21.510 in the lab. And you're like, well, by the way, 858 00:51:21.849 --> 00:51:26.889 The Hulk and Doctor Strange. People will be like, what? 859 00:51:27.150 --> 00:51:27.349 What? 860 00:51:27.369 --> 00:51:29.329 They're actually talking about something interesting? 861 00:51:29.650 --> 00:51:32.750 Yeah. There you go. There's your reference. Go watch some MCU. There. Yes. 862 00:51:32.949 --> 00:51:33.250 Yes. 863 00:51:33.369 --> 00:51:33.610 Yes. 864 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.340 But I'm just looking through the rest of my notes here, 865 00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:45.230 see if there's anything else. Yeah. 866 00:51:47.389 --> 00:51:51.329 Oh, that's on the playback. I thought that was interesting. 867 00:51:52.550 --> 00:51:57.010 If the environment, you know, those residual honey suddenly plays 868 00:51:57.130 --> 00:52:01.650 back a ghost like the Civil War soldier or whatever. 869 00:52:03.010 --> 00:52:05.769 And we think that there's something in the environment that 870 00:52:05.829 --> 00:52:08.980 triggers it. But what if it's a person that's triggering it? 871 00:52:09.420 --> 00:52:12.360 What if it's, you know, you're more psychically sensitive? Or, 872 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:14.780 you know, what if it happens that, yeah, we're all 873 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:20.420 seeing the Gettysburg soldier while you're there or while Robbie's there. 874 00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:24.789 But if you or Robbie weren't there, we wouldn't see it. Because, like, 875 00:52:25.070 --> 00:52:28.389 the person, there's like a psychically in tuned. 876 00:52:28.230 --> 00:52:30.289 Person there that sees it. 877 00:52:31.769 --> 00:52:32.489 You know, it's funny. 878 00:52:32.530 --> 00:52:34.210 Or triggers it or turns it on or whatever. 879 00:52:34.269 --> 00:52:37.949 It's funny that you say that because putting that connection 880 00:52:37.989 --> 00:52:41.090 there with the tunnels, the first time we got nothing. Like, 881 00:52:41.170 --> 00:52:42.269 it was relatively calm. 882 00:52:42.550 --> 00:52:43.329 It was very calm. 883 00:52:43.710 --> 00:52:47.219 Second time, it was us and Georgina. And it was 884 00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.800 just chaos from the get-go. 885 00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:50.909 It really was. 886 00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:54.360 And then this latest time, it was you and I, 887 00:52:54.500 --> 00:52:58.039 and it was calm at first, and then it started 888 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:02.630 to ramp up. Yeah. So it's almost like... did it 889 00:53:02.929 --> 00:53:06.730 take like Georgina's energy for it to be like, oh. 890 00:53:07.469 --> 00:53:10.889 And then when we walked in again afterwards, a few 891 00:53:10.909 --> 00:53:15.179 days later, it recognized our energy, but it took a 892 00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:18.860 little bit. And it's like, oh, we recognize the energy 893 00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:24.679 for the apparitions to start communicating, to start showing themselves. 894 00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:30.239 Well, and it's interesting that you mentioned Georgina because she's 895 00:53:30.460 --> 00:53:37.690 been recently... working on becoming more psychically sensitive. So she's 896 00:53:37.710 --> 00:53:41.329 been like trying to, you know, exercise her psychic muscle. 897 00:53:41.849 --> 00:53:43.530 So, Hey, you know, who knows? 898 00:53:43.809 --> 00:53:46.550 I mean, it could be that she's getting to a 899 00:53:46.630 --> 00:53:50.840 point where, so yeah, that makes sense. It's like, okay, 900 00:53:50.860 --> 00:53:54.780 now we've got two sensitive people. So there's more stuff 901 00:53:54.820 --> 00:53:58.679 going on. That was really crazy. And now we just 902 00:53:58.699 --> 00:54:02.409 have one psychically sensitive person and, And. 903 00:54:02.429 --> 00:54:09.250 It's almost like

this energetic field with psychic sensitive people 904 00:54:09.349 --> 00:54:14.519 because they draw different energies. So it's almost like, what 905 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.559 happens when we put 20 of you guys in here? 906 00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:18.579 What's going to happen? 907 00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:21.619 Which I'm sure is not the greatest idea, but it 908 00:54:21.659 --> 00:54:24.329 would be great for, you know, getting information. 909 00:54:24.469 --> 00:54:26.429 Like lights flashing everywhere. 910 00:54:26.530 --> 00:54:28.449 And then it's like, okay, out of that 20, what 911 00:54:28.469 --> 00:54:32.480 happens if we put five? Yeah. So it's like it's 912 00:54:32.539 --> 00:54:34.500 different experiments that you could. 913 00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:38.539 Those are different experiments because that would actually, that is 914 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:43.199 so cool. And that would be fairly, I think, fairly 915 00:54:43.340 --> 00:54:47.610 easy to set up where we're going, the variable we're 916 00:54:47.650 --> 00:54:50.090 going to change in those tunnels would be perfect because 917 00:54:50.130 --> 00:54:53.670 it's this nice little controlled environment. The variable we're going 918 00:54:53.690 --> 00:54:59.019 to change is the person and how psychically sensitive they are. 919 00:54:59.039 --> 00:54:59.400 Mm-hmm. 920 00:55:00.469 --> 00:55:04.449 And yeah, oh my goodness, that would be so interesting. 921 00:55:04.730 --> 00:55:07.510 And I mean, like you were saying, even with the battlefields, 922 00:55:07.690 --> 00:55:11.849 it could be something as simple as an ancestor. Like 923 00:55:11.989 --> 00:55:16.789 a living person, they walked in and their ancestor fought 924 00:55:16.809 --> 00:55:22.489 in a battle. Maybe they're that trigger object because their 925 00:55:22.530 --> 00:55:27.579 relative is like, oh, there's someone like me. There's someone 926 00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:31.369 of my bloodline here. So then it triggers... more activity 927 00:55:32.010 --> 00:55:35.849 because they're registering that family's there, that a loved one, 928 00:55:36.699 --> 00:55:41.420 whether it's five generations, two generations, they're registering that there's 929 00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:42.039 family there. 930 00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.340 It's my kin. It's my kin. 931 00:55:45.539 --> 00:55:46.119 Yeah. 932 00:55:46.619 --> 00:55:48.039 I didn't even, yeah. 933 00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:54.719 So there again, it's that person, environment, right time, right person, 934 00:55:54.780 --> 00:56:01.300 right place. I'm thinking there's more and more Not necessarily evidence, 935 00:56:01.570 --> 00:56:06.849 but just it seems to be pointing more in that direction, 936 00:56:06.989 --> 00:56:10.789 especially if you're going to see things like apparitions. 937 00:56:11.929 --> 00:56:16.179 The environment has to be right. 938 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.420 And even in those places, like I said, like we've 939 00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:23.619 been talking about, that the ghosts are consistent. 940 00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:26.130 Gettysburg sounds like a pretty consistent one. 941 00:56:27.179 --> 00:56:29.980 I'm sure that not everybody that goes and takes pictures 942 00:56:30.059 --> 00:56:34.679 on the battlefield sees the apparitions or hears the gunfire 943 00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:40.159 or whatever it is. So that's that person part of 944 00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:44.000 the equation. And it also makes me think in kind 945 00:56:44.019 --> 00:56:48.920 of a not so great way as we were talking about, hey, 946 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.019 when it's time to leave, it's time to leave. And 947 00:56:51.059 --> 00:56:54.539 when I was talking to my friend Brian about nasty 948 00:56:55.019 --> 00:57:00.389 kind of evil things, is some people are probably more 949 00:57:00.489 --> 00:57:05.860 susceptible to having those things follow them home or attack 950 00:57:05.889 --> 00:57:11.719 them or create chaos in their lives. And I think 951 00:57:11.739 --> 00:57:13.780 there's a lot of truth that there are things out 952 00:57:13.820 --> 00:57:17.750 there like that, even though the scientific method might fall 953 00:57:17.829 --> 00:57:25.530 short of measuring those things. I think there's enough circumstantial 954 00:57:25.610 --> 00:57:29.469 evidence i guess that shows that you know what there 955 00:57:29.489 --> 00:57:33.570 are some nasty entities out there and and it's best 956 00:57:33.650 --> 00:57:37.780 to to be like you said be respectful and let's 957 00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:40.639 interest your gut it's time to go it's time to 958 00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:41.179 go yeah. 959 00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.539 Totally anything else. 960 00:57:46.449 --> 00:57:50.869 Nope nope we covered so much huh we covered so much. 961 00:57:50.670 --> 00:57:51.829 We really actually. 962 00:57:51.590 --> 00:57:53.960 Really did Yeah, we covered it. I've got a whole 963 00:57:53.980 --> 00:57:54.760 book of notes here. 964 00:57:54.780 --> 00:57:59.050 But yeah, we covered them and the whole apparitional thing 965 00:57:59.110 --> 00:57:59.730 and apparitions. 966 00:57:59.750 --> 00:58:01.150 I will end on this. 967 00:58:01.750 --> 00:58:06.329 Apparitions, the actual, you know, I see a person walking around. 968 00:58:06.369 --> 00:58:08.909 Sometimes you mistake them for just a regular person until 969 00:58:08.929 --> 00:58:12.010 they do a non-regular person thing. Those are really rare. 970 00:58:12.449 --> 00:58:13.230 You don't. 971 00:58:14.289 --> 00:58:16.929 And this is for, ghost hunters know this, but this 972 00:58:16.969 --> 00:58:19.039 is for people that might be listening that you're not 973 00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:22.690 a ghost hunter. And yeah, you watch haunted, tv shows 974 00:58:22.750 --> 00:58:25.989 and movies and things it's like no right those types 975 00:58:26.030 --> 00:58:29.150 of apparitions are really rare they're really cool i've seen 976 00:58:29.190 --> 00:58:32.329 i've been doing this for 20 years now i've seen 977 00:58:32.590 --> 00:58:35.250 one and i've been in lots and lots of haunted 978 00:58:35.289 --> 00:58:39.309 places so. 979 00:58:38.030 --> 00:58:43.019 Good old palace theater good old palace theater gotta love 980 00:58:43.059 --> 00:58:44.440 the palace. 981 00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:49.599 Yeah all right well i'm gonna go ahead and call 982 00:58:49.659 --> 00:58:51.000 it All right. 983 00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:51.619 Okay. 984 00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:52.599 Bye everybody. 985 00:58:56.239 --> 00:59:00.369 This has been spooky, a paranormal podcast. We hope today's 986 00:59:00.469 --> 00:59:04.010 episode sent shivers down your spine and sparked your curiosity 987 00:59:04.070 --> 00:59:07.650 about all things ghostly. If you've enjoyed what you've heard, 988 00:59:07.969 --> 00:59:10.639 don't forget to subscribe and leave a review. on your 989 00:59:10.699 --> 00:59:14.739 favorite podcast platform. You can also catch us on Facebook 990 00:59:14.889 --> 00:59:19.210 and Instagram. Until next time, stay curious, stay vigilant 991 00:59:19.750 --> 00:59:22.250 And never be afraid to explore the shadows.