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open it up to 78 00:04:37.689 --> 00:04:42.050 Q & A. And then we'll be good. So I'm 79 00:04:42.069 --> 00:04:45.120 going to let... I've been yapping. So why don't you. 80 00:04:45.129 --> 00:04:45.939 You're going to let me start? 81 00:04:46.490 --> 00:04:48.310 Yeah. Go for it, my dear. 82 00:04:48.329 --> 00:04:49.230 Yikes. 83 00:04:49.250 --> 00:04:52.050 I want to enjoy my cocktail. Okay. 84 00:04:52.430 --> 00:04:58.939 Well, yeah, I'm Allie. Been investigating for five years, give 85 00:04:58.980 --> 00:04:59.399 or take. 86 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:03.399 Has it been? Yeah, it's been a while. You're not 87 00:05:03.420 --> 00:05:04.160 the newbie anymore. 88 00:05:04.300 --> 00:05:07.339 I'm the newbie. So I will say I'm the newbie. 89 00:05:08.500 --> 00:05:11.600 Our little group of makeshift bandits. 90 00:05:14.149 --> 00:05:17.529 I joined the group. Because the company I was working. 91 00:05:17.290 --> 00:05:22.089 For, Cindy, had a podcast and so was holding a 92 00:05:22.129 --> 00:05:24.899 class and then just kind of took that class to 93 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.500 get certified and started doing that ever since. And then 94 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:31.540 just kind of joined that little group of bandits. Yeah. 95 00:05:31.779 --> 00:05:33.199 And now we're spooky dookie. 96 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:37.490 We're spooky dookie, yeah. Yeah, it's been a while. It's 97 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.689 been a while since you've joined our group. Three years 98 00:05:40.709 --> 00:05:41.149 on my own. 99 00:05:41.350 --> 00:05:41.629 Mm-hmm. 100 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.120 So yeah, it's been about five, six years, give or take. 101 00:05:48.139 --> 00:05:49.899 I don't really know. 102 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:52.699 My math be mathin'. Your math be mathin'. That's okay. 103 00:05:53.019 --> 00:05:58.339 That's okay. You know, close enough. But yeah, so I've 104 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:07.759 been doing this for 20 years here in Waco. And 105 00:06:08.100 --> 00:06:12.100 just love it. We've been through all kinds of adventures 106 00:06:12.139 --> 00:06:15.170 that we're going to be talking about here in a minute. Um, 107 00:06:15.269 --> 00:06:18.230 and we have talked about them on previous episodes, but 108 00:06:18.370 --> 00:06:22.870 we have a, a really great group of people that 109 00:06:22.930 --> 00:06:30.470 we investigate with. And it's, it's not really an official team. Um, there's, 110 00:06:30.490 --> 00:06:33.569 there's no, no chief or Indians, you know, so there's 111 00:06:33.610 --> 00:06:37.209 no managing people. We're just really good friends. And, um, 112 00:06:37.889 --> 00:06:42.550 we're all what we call independent investigators. And so we 113 00:06:42.589 --> 00:06:46.060 all bring different things to the table. And it really 114 00:06:46.189 --> 00:06:48.779 is a really good mix. And if you ever want 115 00:06:48.819 --> 00:06:54.540 to join an investigation team, I highly recommend looking for 116 00:06:54.699 --> 00:06:59.420 good chemistry and getting along with the people that are 117 00:06:59.819 --> 00:07:02.639 in that particular group. Because I do know that there 118 00:07:02.660 --> 00:07:05.879 are groups out there where that is not the case 119 00:07:06.139 --> 00:07:11.699 and it's just kind of miserable. So yes, so I've 120 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:15.939 been interested Since I was a kid, I was this 121 00:07:16.019 --> 00:07:19.120 nerdy little kid that would read true ghost stories at 122 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:22.610 lunchtime instead of being out playing. And that kind of 123 00:07:22.649 --> 00:07:27.009 got me hooked. And fast forward, because I was raised 124 00:07:27.069 --> 00:07:31.790 in a Christian home, that was really frowned upon. It's like, oh, 125 00:07:31.870 --> 00:07:36.360 spooky ghosts and things. That's demonic. And you shouldn't have 126 00:07:36.420 --> 00:07:40.040 anything to do with that and on and so forth. 127 00:07:40.970 --> 00:07:44.129 And so I just kind of tucked it away and said, 128 00:07:44.189 --> 00:07:47.240 you know, okay, all right, this is just something I 129 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.500 guess I'm going to have to not be interested in, 130 00:07:50.540 --> 00:07:54.660 I guess. And so fast forward many years later and 131 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:58.220 all of the ghost shows came on. It started with 132 00:07:58.259 --> 00:08:01.180 Ghost Hunters and Ghost Hunters was actually pretty good. I 133 00:08:01.220 --> 00:08:02.459 don't know if they're still on the air. 134 00:08:02.500 --> 00:08:04.019 No, I don't think so. 135 00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:05.000 You don't think so? 136 00:08:05.019 --> 00:08:06.399 Not that I've seen. 137 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:10.180 Yeah, they were really popular for a while. But and 138 00:08:10.259 --> 00:08:13.939 so what that showed me was that, oh, my goodness, 139 00:08:14.060 --> 00:08:20.470 there's actually a systematic way to investigate this stuff. They've 140 00:08:20.509 --> 00:08:25.589 got actual instruments that they use to measure the environment and, 141 00:08:25.670 --> 00:08:29.430 you know, changes in the environment and interviewing people. And 142 00:08:30.230 --> 00:08:35.029 there's actually a way to do this. And I thought, 143 00:08:35.049 --> 00:08:37.009 you know what? And I was watching it and I'm like, OK, 144 00:08:37.029 --> 00:08:37.610 I could do that. 145 00:08:38.389 --> 00:08:39.049 I could do that. 146 00:08:39.690 --> 00:08:46.110 Um, so I, uh, immediately went to, uh, not immediately, 147 00:08:46.230 --> 00:08:48.710 but I gathered up some cameras and things and I 148 00:08:48.750 --> 00:08:53.240 heard about a haunted couch in downtown Waco. Well, it 149 00:08:53.259 --> 00:08:56.379 wasn't in downtown Waco. It was at the consignment furniture store. 150 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:59.379 Have any of you seen the haunted couch? 151 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:05.289 No. Over and over again. 152 00:09:05.309 --> 00:09:08.070 I

heard about it. Pictures. you know, it's really sad 153 00:09:08.149 --> 00:09:13.509 because the haunted couch has been lost to history. The 154 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:19.299 consignment store closed and the couch, I don't know what 155 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:24.710 happened to the couch. Yeah, it's somewhere. But yeah, I 156 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:30.190 went into the consignment store and felt really silly and said, oh, hey, 157 00:09:30.210 --> 00:09:34.350 I understand you've got a haunted couch here, you know, 158 00:09:34.570 --> 00:09:37.220 and they're like, oh my goodness, are you a paranormal investigator? 159 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:40.679 And I'm like, yeah, I guess, you know? And so 160 00:09:40.700 --> 00:09:43.940 they let me set some equipment up overnight. I really 161 00:09:43.980 --> 00:09:53.070 didn't get anything. But my phone went dead around the 162 00:09:53.110 --> 00:09:55.970 couch and other people have had their watches and things 163 00:09:56.029 --> 00:09:59.970 go dead around the couch. So weird things did happen. 164 00:10:00.029 --> 00:10:05.759 happen around the couch. But after that, I was just like, okay, 165 00:10:05.860 --> 00:10:08.820 this is cool. I can keep doing this. And then 166 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:14.580 later I went ahead because I have a graduate degree 167 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:21.620 in educational psychology. I thought, I can use this, my 168 00:10:21.659 --> 00:10:24.799 research skills in the field of parapsychology. And that's kind 169 00:10:24.830 --> 00:10:26.870 of the other side of what I do. I actually 170 00:10:26.909 --> 00:10:32.350 do parapsychological research and, and that's an actual scientific field. 171 00:10:32.429 --> 00:10:36.169 And it looks at what we call haunt activity. Um, 172 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.250 and it looks at other things like ESP and clairvoyance and, 173 00:10:40.259 --> 00:10:42.679 you know, all those kinds of like superhero things that, 174 00:10:42.779 --> 00:10:47.769 that people enjoy watching. that stuff's real. There's 150 plus 175 00:10:47.789 --> 00:10:51.759 years of scientific research on that. Those abilities are, are real. 176 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:55.940 And so I do that as well. I'm the manager 177 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:02.169 of a, a journal that covers parapsychological studies and I've 178 00:11:02.289 --> 00:11:05.990 done parapsychological studies on, on the academic side of things. 179 00:11:06.049 --> 00:11:10.000 So I've kind of got a foot in each world and, 180 00:11:10.169 --> 00:11:13.600 and I love that. I work with, two extremely well-known 181 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:18.940 parapsychologists here in the US on research projects. And I 182 00:11:19.179 --> 00:11:22.570 still have to pinch myself that these guys want to 183 00:11:22.629 --> 00:11:27.009 work with me. I'm like, wow, this is really, really cool. 184 00:11:27.649 --> 00:11:31.190 So I've, yeah, I've been busy doing all of this 185 00:11:31.309 --> 00:11:36.600 for many years now. But yes, and then eventually met Allison. 186 00:11:36.629 --> 00:11:41.419 When Allison came on with our little group of ghost hunters, 187 00:11:42.049 --> 00:11:47.809 she brought with her the best, the absolute, one of 188 00:11:47.850 --> 00:11:56.909 the best ghost hunting instruments ever. So, yeah. Oh, thank you. 189 00:11:57.049 --> 00:11:57.480 Yeah. 190 00:11:58.940 --> 00:12:03.240 So I'm kind of thinking, maybe talking about moving into 191 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.519 what are some of our favorite cases that we've been on? 192 00:12:07.620 --> 00:12:11.039 But I want you to talk about The most amazing 193 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:12.679 thing in the world that you brought to the table. 194 00:12:12.710 --> 00:12:13.379 Cat balls. 195 00:12:13.590 --> 00:12:14.549 Cat balls. 196 00:12:16.509 --> 00:12:19.470 As stupid as it sounds, I mean, I got them 197 00:12:19.509 --> 00:12:22.470 a pack of 15 for maybe 10 bucks. 198 00:12:23.330 --> 00:12:26.669 I don't even remember at this point. But it was 199 00:12:26.730 --> 00:12:27.590 Liberty Hotel. 200 00:12:27.610 --> 00:12:28.210 Yeah. 201 00:12:28.309 --> 00:12:30.730 That was the first big investigation that I had gone 202 00:12:30.750 --> 00:12:35.429 with you guys. And just, what room was it? 203 00:12:35.429 --> 00:12:37.200 It had to have been the fourth floor. It was 204 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:38.580 some room that we weren't staying in. 205 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:42.559 Just happened to lay them out. 206 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:44.500 They were making fun of me of it for it 207 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:47.720 because of course, newest member on the team bringing some. 208 00:12:48.610 --> 00:12:53.330 These little glittery cat toys. I know we were kind 209 00:12:53.370 --> 00:12:54.629 of snobby. I'm sorry. 210 00:12:54.649 --> 00:12:57.700 I would have taken it. 211 00:12:57.710 --> 00:13:00.429 I would have taken the L had it not worked, 212 00:13:00.450 --> 00:13:02.509 but they, yeah, they were making fun of me. And 213 00:13:02.549 --> 00:13:06.129 then for whatever reason, majority of the group went to 214 00:13:06.169 --> 00:13:11.029 the rooms just to freshen up and everything. and our 215 00:13:11.070 --> 00:13:14.210 good friend Georgina, we were looking out the windows, and 216 00:13:14.230 --> 00:13:16.549 we see the bulb light up in the reflection of 217 00:13:16.570 --> 00:13:20.370 the window, and I didn't want to make a big deal, 218 00:13:20.389 --> 00:13:22.429 so I was like, Georgina, and she's like, yeah, I 219 00:13:22.470 --> 00:13:24.820 see it, so we turn around, and by the time 220 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:27.879 we turn around, it had gone off, like it was, 221 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:31.700 it turned off, so it wasn't lighting off anymore, and 222 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.220 got a few hits off of it, tested it out, 223 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:38.669 shook the bed pretty hard, and I'm like, Moved the blankets, 224 00:13:38.860 -->

00:13:39.429 lifted it up. 225 00:13:39.460 --> 00:13:42.220 You could lift it up a good six inches off 226 00:13:42.259 --> 00:13:42.779 the bed. 227 00:13:42.820 --> 00:13:45.620 Without it going off. Yeah. 228 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.279 And put it back and everything. They come back in 229 00:13:48.299 --> 00:13:48.720 the room. 230 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:52.320 Georgie and I are telling them what happened. And so, 231 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:54.779 of course, they had to do their own tests. 232 00:13:55.500 --> 00:13:56.200 Yes, we did. 233 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:00.240 Because apparently, I'm not big brain over here. 234 00:14:00.539 --> 00:14:00.740 No. 235 00:14:01.379 --> 00:14:01.940 Stop. 236 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:03.340 Stop. 237 00:14:03.379 --> 00:14:06.019 Yeah, it turned out to be great. And now the 238 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:06.759 whole group has. 239 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:13.940 Cat bowls. Yes, they're on every investigation. So we absolutely 240 00:14:13.980 --> 00:14:16.980 love them. And I mean, I don't know, how many 241 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:19.850 of y'all have been on a ghost hunt or go 242 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:27.149 ghost hunting? I'm assuming, yeah, most everybody. And are any 243 00:14:27.169 --> 00:14:30.730 of you familiar with these cat toys or have you 244 00:14:30.929 --> 00:14:35.799 used them? Okay, I'm seeing nods. Amanda, no. Amanda says no. Oh, 245 00:14:35.809 --> 00:14:45.990 they're very great. yeah that was before um allison entered 246 00:14:46.049 --> 00:14:51.649 the scene and and so so yeah i mean if 247 00:14:51.730 --> 00:14:55.669 you want to go on on investigations i highly recommend 248 00:14:55.690 --> 00:15:00.929 them they're great little motion detectors and the coolest thing 249 00:15:00.990 --> 00:15:04.330 about them is it takes a little bit for them 250 00:15:04.370 --> 00:15:07.070 to be set off it's Um, I don't know if 251 00:15:07.110 --> 00:15:09.649 you've watched some of the paranormal shows where they'll like 252 00:15:10.169 --> 00:15:14.129 take a flashlight and I'm going to like twist it. 253 00:15:14.230 --> 00:15:17.610 So it's like really sensitive, you know, and we're going 254 00:15:17.629 --> 00:15:21.049 to ask questions and, and of course it'll make that, 255 00:15:21.389 --> 00:15:24.620 that connection to the battery really, really easily with just 256 00:15:24.740 --> 00:15:30.059 any little bump. And, and, um, you, you know, you don't, 257 00:15:30.299 --> 00:15:32.740 I can't really trust stuff like that, but these cat balls, 258 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:36.629 like Alison was just saying, it takes quite a bit 259 00:15:37.110 --> 00:15:41.360 to get them to go off. So it's not just 260 00:15:41.389 --> 00:15:44.200 a casual bump or, you know, you're moving on a 261 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:48.120 couch or something like that. They, it really takes a 262 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:51.080 lot for them to go off. And we've had communication 263 00:15:51.139 --> 00:15:56.309 sessions using the cat balls where we'll have some cat 264 00:15:56.330 --> 00:15:59.830 balls and we'll have like an EMF meter. Are y'all 265 00:15:59.889 --> 00:16:01.570 familiar with EMF meters? 266 00:16:02.490 --> 00:16:02.809 Yay. 267 00:16:02.950 --> 00:16:03.409 Okay, good. 268 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:04.220 Look at that. 269 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:07.990 We've got like veterans in here. 270 00:16:08.330 --> 00:16:08.649 Yeah. 271 00:16:08.730 --> 00:16:10.990 So we have EMF meters and we'll have some cat 272 00:16:11.009 --> 00:16:14.990 balls and then we'll start asking questions. You know, we 273 00:16:15.009 --> 00:16:17.809 might be using a spirit box or some dowsing rods 274 00:16:17.870 --> 00:16:21.509 or something and we'll say, Hey, can you make the 275 00:16:21.529 --> 00:16:24.600 cat ball go off? Or can you make the meter 276 00:16:24.659 --> 00:16:28.279 go off? Or, and we'll get responses, which, which is really, 277 00:16:28.299 --> 00:16:33.000 really cool. And We like to be able to triangulate 278 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:36.179 instead of just having the cat balls or the EMF 279 00:16:36.220 --> 00:16:39.990 meter or just the dowsing rods, you know, doing their thing. 280 00:16:40.009 --> 00:16:44.730 And they just come in handy in so many different ways. 281 00:16:44.750 --> 00:16:45.460 Cat balls are handy. 282 00:16:45.889 --> 00:16:46.480 They're very handy. 283 00:16:46.500 --> 00:16:48.200 Until you treat them like soccer balls. 284 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:51.539 You had to bring it up, didn't you? 285 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:53.340 I did. 286 00:16:54.100 --> 00:16:58.700 Yes, this is very recent. We were down in the 287 00:16:58.740 --> 00:17:04.480 tunnels underneath Cultivate. And unfortunately, these are not open to 288 00:17:04.539 --> 00:17:08.740 the public. But they're pretty creepy. I don't know if 289 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:12.700 y'all have seen that movie Back Rooms. Gosh, that's creepy. 290 00:17:13.660 --> 00:17:15.900 It's creepy. Oh, it's creepy. 291 00:17:15.940 --> 00:17:18.809 Think about warehouse tunnels. 292 00:17:19.049 --> 00:17:19.480 That's creepy. 293 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:20.819 What it is. 294 00:17:21.099 --> 00:17:25.279 Yeah, kind of liminal, creepy spaces. Anyway, there's some weird 295 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:29.220 stuff going on in the tunnels, or I guess they're 296 00:17:29.259 --> 00:17:34.450 corridors more than tunnels, underneath Cultivate. We've been seeing some 297 00:17:34.470 --> 00:17:39.710 kind of shadow people. The lights have been going on 298 00:17:39.750 --> 00:17:42.970 and off in really strange ways. And so we're kind 299 00:17:42.990 --> 00:17:45.539 of investigating that more. But yes, we had some cat 300 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:50.410 balls set up. And the floor is rough. And, yes, 301 00:17:50.490 --> 00:17:52.210 there was a cat ball on the floor, and I 302 00:17:52.250 --> 00:17:56.009 accidentally tripped, and I kicked the cat ball. And so 303

00:17:56.069 --> 00:17:57.569 now I'm not hearing the end of it. 304 00:17:57.589 --> 00:18:01.650 My poor little heart. 305 00:18:02.130 --> 00:18:04.279 Your poor little heart. You've got a whole bag of 306 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:11.220 those things. I'll buy you a new bag. It was scary. 307 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:12.079 It was loud. 308 00:18:12.099 --> 00:18:13.000 It was loud. 309 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:15.799 I'll buy you a new bag of cat balls for Christmas. 310 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:16.640 Oh, thanks. 311 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:17.089 There you go. 312 00:18:17.140 --> 00:18:17.420 There you go. 313 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:24.259 It's on your back. yeah and she's like what i 314 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:25.299 i did. 315 00:18:25.099 --> 00:18:26.839 Have a mini heart attack. 316 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.789 In that moment yeah and yeah thank god we could 317 00:18:29.809 --> 00:18:30.809 lock it off. 318 00:18:30.829 --> 00:18:37.829 Later yeah so okay favorite favorite cases i gotta go 319 00:18:37.849 --> 00:18:43.519 with fake casey he's my go-to okay well talk about 320 00:18:43.579 --> 00:18:44.539 fake casey. 321 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:48.099 Fake casey um So this is part of, if you'll 322 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.500 ever want to do, Paranormal University Palace Theater in Marlin. 323 00:18:52.660 --> 00:18:53.400 He was. 324 00:18:53.420 --> 00:18:55.019 What was his official title? 325 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:02.750 There was a projectionist at the theater that they thought 326 00:19:02.849 --> 00:19:06.410 his name was Casey, but I don't think it was Casey. 327 00:19:06.490 --> 00:19:13.319 Casey was the owner, Jay Chapmas' right-hand man. So real 328 00:19:13.390 --> 00:19:18.990 Casey was kind of the... the co-director, I guess. 329 00:19:19.430 --> 00:19:19.890 Yes. 330 00:19:20.109 --> 00:19:21.029 So, yeah. 331 00:19:21.569 --> 00:19:25.190 Um, but fake Casey, like, standing out in the balcony 332 00:19:25.910 --> 00:19:31.279 for whatever, for, this is when I was, like, I guess, quote-unquote, training. Um, 333 00:19:31.910 --> 00:19:34.880 I was with Cindy, figured out, did not want to 334 00:19:34.900 --> 00:19:38.420 talk to me. Since then, still refuses to talk to me. 335 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:43.000 Anytime I go up there to ask questions, refuses to 336 00:19:43.099 --> 00:19:44.079 answer anything. 337 00:19:44.700 --> 00:19:45.299 Uh, Cindy. 338 00:19:46.049 --> 00:19:48.339 we'll go up there every once in a while, ask 339 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:54.039 that word for word at same questions, get responses. For 340 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:57.079 whatever reason, just doesn't like me, will not respond to me. 341 00:19:57.829 --> 00:20:01.329 The only time he will ever respond to me, if 342 00:20:01.349 --> 00:20:04.009 the question is, do you want me to leave? Or 343 00:20:04.089 --> 00:20:07.029 do you prefer me to be up here? He'll answer those. 344 00:20:07.190 --> 00:20:10.710 Outside of that, what's it like? What's

your day-to-day job? 345 00:20:11.049 --> 00:20:11.430 Nothing. 346 00:20:11.869 --> 00:20:14.089 It's always, do you want me to leave? Would you 347 00:20:14.130 --> 00:20:14.809 like me to stay? 348 00:20:15.289 --> 00:20:16.150 Or no. 349 00:20:16.930 --> 00:20:17.750 Only responses. 350 00:20:18.269 --> 00:20:22.440 Yeah, and he's fake Casey because he was saying that 351 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:25.799 his name was Casey, but he's not the real guy. 352 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:29.160 So we don't know who it is, but he's got 353 00:20:29.180 --> 00:20:30.220 it in for Allison. 354 00:20:30.380 --> 00:20:34.140 I have no idea why. 355 00:20:34.579 --> 00:20:37.420 It makes me sad, but it's okay. He likes to 356 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:38.579 follow me sometimes. 357 00:20:38.819 --> 00:20:39.079 Yeah. 358 00:20:39.690 --> 00:20:40.029 I don't know. 359 00:20:40.049 --> 00:20:41.890 He went to go watch Wicked with me that one time. 360 00:20:42.089 --> 00:20:43.130 It's a love-hate thing. 361 00:20:43.369 --> 00:20:43.670 Yeah. 362 00:20:44.089 --> 00:20:44.289 Yeah. 363 00:20:44.529 --> 00:20:47.049 I don't know. I don't know. The Palace. 364 00:20:48.259 --> 00:20:48.430 Ooh. 365 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:50.799 Yeah, the Palace Theater. I don't know if y'all have 366 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:52.519 had a chance to go to the Palace Theater. They 367 00:20:52.539 --> 00:20:55.000 have dinner theater there, which is really cool. I'm seeing 368 00:20:55.019 --> 00:20:55.839 some nods. 369 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:56.960 I've never been here. 370 00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:59.839 Have you been? Did you see anything weird at the Palace? 371 00:20:59.859 --> 00:21:00.799 A long time ago. 372 00:21:00.940 --> 00:21:03.579 I believe it, isn't it close, isn't it in the 373 00:21:03.619 --> 00:21:04.599 downtown Marlin area? 374 00:21:05.140 --> 00:21:05.460 Yes. 375 00:21:05.740 --> 00:21:06.980 And I believe there was a spot that used to 376 00:21:07.019 --> 00:21:08.140 be segregation, too. 377 00:21:08.900 --> 00:21:13.529 Yes. Yes. Really? 378 00:21:15.109 --> 00:21:15.950 Okay. 379 00:21:16.529 --> 00:21:21.569 So it's been a while. Do you remember what the 380 00:21:21.670 --> 00:21:23.849 EVP was that you caught? Right. Yeah. 381 00:21:24.450 --> 00:21:24.890 Yeah. 382 00:21:39.569 --> 00:21:40.269 Nice. 383 00:21:41.150 --> 00:21:41.549 Okay. 384 00:21:41.589 --> 00:21:44.910 Yeah, we've caught a number of EVPs up there in 385 00:21:44.930 --> 00:21:47.230 the balcony. That seems to be kind of the place 386 00:21:47.859 --> 00:21:51.319 for those. And we've had some really good communication sessions 387 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:55.579 up there in the balcony with whatever it is that 388 00:21:55.619 --> 00:21:58.940 doesn't like Allison. So I'm sorry. 389 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:01.220 It's okay. 390 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:05.259 It's my favorite case that I'll continue to go investigate. 391 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:07.819 Regardless of how he feels. I don't know. Maybe he'll 392 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:10.859 warm up to you eventually. No. 393 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:13.660 Not if Mr. 394 00:22:13.750 --> 00:22:15.670 Rob has to go up there and tell fake Casey 395 00:22:15.690 --> 00:22:16.809 to answer me. 396 00:22:17.630 --> 00:22:22.089 That's true. Yeah, I remember that. Oh my goodness. But yeah, 397 00:22:22.109 --> 00:22:25.930 the Palace Theater, we haven't had a chance to do 398 00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:31.119 Paranormal University in a while. Hopefully we'll get another chance 399 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:34.160 to do that sometime in the near future. And what 400 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:41.130 those are is that They are fundraising events for the university. Yeah, 401 00:22:41.849 --> 00:22:45.450 not the university. They are fundraising events for the theater. 402 00:22:45.470 --> 00:22:52.019 And we invite the public in to ghost hunt. And 403 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:54.839 so it's a lot of fun. It is a place 404 00:22:55.119 --> 00:23:03.589 that is extremely, extremely active. Paranormally. I mean, every single time. 405 00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:09.119 We are there or we bring guests there. We get activity. 406 00:23:09.220 --> 00:23:13.940 Our guests get activity. There's a lot of things like 407 00:23:14.180 --> 00:23:19.880 the EVPs, Phantom Footsteps. We get really good communication sessions, 408 00:23:20.539 --> 00:23:25.450 shadow people. I will talk about my favorite case here. 409 00:23:25.329 --> 00:23:25.849 In a minute. 410 00:23:26.869 --> 00:23:30.170 We call it Cousin It. That was my favorite case. 411 00:23:31.230 --> 00:23:33.980 That's like my, I have two favorite cases. And yes, 412 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:39.019 just like Allison, they're at the palace. My first favorite 413 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:42.759 case is when I first went to the palace for 414 00:23:43.059 --> 00:23:45.299 a paranormal university. I was a guest at that time. 415 00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:52.029 And I'm, you know, there are people that are quite 416 00:23:52.069 --> 00:23:56.470 a bit more sensitive to being able to, you know, 417 00:23:56.630 --> 00:24:02.200 to feel or communicate with. or see or experience paranormal activity. 418 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:06.980 We're investigating that and researching that on the academic side 419 00:24:07.460 --> 00:24:11.450 as well, which is fascinating. I call these people ghost magnets. 420 00:24:11.849 --> 00:24:17.069 There's some science behind it and there's more coming. But 421 00:24:17.170 --> 00:24:20.289 I am not one of those people. Not by a 422 00:24:20.529 --> 00:24:24.240 long shot. Allison is a lot more psychically sensitive than 423 00:24:24.339 --> 00:24:28.099 I am. That's why it's fun having her on Investigations. Um, 424 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:30.960 cause she'll, she can kind of bring things in for 425 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:35.480 us to look at and interact with. Um, but in 426 00:24:35.579 --> 00:24:39.349 the 20 plus years I've been doing this,

I have 427 00:24:39.470 --> 00:24:44.410 seen one apparition. I've seen one ghost. That is it. 428 00:24:45.410 --> 00:24:48.609 And it was at the palace theater. So that was 429 00:24:48.789 --> 00:24:53.950 by far my, my favorite investigation. Um, I was there 430 00:24:53.990 --> 00:24:57.789 at the first paranormal university. And I was down in 431 00:24:57.809 --> 00:25:01.109 the basement and the basement is dimly lit. I mean, 432 00:25:01.170 --> 00:25:04.670 it's not completely dark. You can still see. And I'm 433 00:25:04.710 --> 00:25:06.480 down there with a group of people and we're all, 434 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:10.140 you know, holding our little EMF meters and recorders and 435 00:25:10.180 --> 00:25:12.859 things and doing our thing, you know, and I am too. 436 00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:17.079 And back in the corner, I see this guy and 437 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:20.880 he's like got what's called a Mel meter, which is 438 00:25:21.140 --> 00:25:25.220 a device that measures, um, ambient temperature. Cause there could 439 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:32.680 be temperature changes. when paranormal activity happens, and EMF. So 440 00:25:33.009 --> 00:25:35.309 he's got that. I've got my EMF meter that I 441 00:25:35.329 --> 00:25:39.829 take with me everywhere. And there's another guy standing behind him. 442 00:25:39.849 --> 00:25:42.769 And so I'm thinking, okay, it's just a couple of guys. 443 00:25:42.809 --> 00:25:46.700 They're over there doing their thing. And so I was 444 00:25:46.779 --> 00:25:48.599 kind of looking over there, and there was the guy 445 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:51.680 that was behind the first guy with the MEL meter. 446 00:25:52.099 --> 00:25:55.519 He kind of steps out from behind him, And comes 447 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:56.329 walking towards me. 448 00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:57.160 It's just a guy. 449 00:25:57.180 --> 00:26:00.480 It's just this normal guy. He's, he's, I'd say mid thirties, 450 00:26:00.579 --> 00:26:05.420 medium build, uh, dark hair, light shirt, dark pants. And 451 00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:07.569 I'm like, okay, you know, it's just another guy. And 452 00:26:07.609 --> 00:26:10.230 he comes walking towards me and he gets from about 453 00:26:10.349 --> 00:26:15.410 me to you and he disappears into thin air. And 454 00:26:15.470 --> 00:26:20.450 I'm like, holy crap. I just saw a ghost. And 455 00:26:20.619 --> 00:26:23.880 I was like, yes, you know, I was like, oh 456 00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:26.299 my goodness, you know, and I was very excited about this. 457 00:26:26.380 --> 00:26:28.349 I'm telling everybody else, I'm like, oh my goodness, oh 458 00:26:28.369 --> 00:26:29.670 my goodness, I just saw a ghost, I just saw 459 00:26:29.690 --> 00:26:31.670 a ghost, you know, and then everybody's in a flurry 460 00:26:31.710 --> 00:26:34.869 and they're like looking around and, and seeing stuff, you know, 461 00:26:34.890 --> 00:26:38.970 looking for stuff as well. But had this, this guy 462 00:26:38.990 --> 00:26:45.559 not done something that humans don't do, you know, I, 463 00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:48.059 I would have never known. So it kind of makes 464 00:26:48.099 --> 00:26:52.400 me wonder, maybe we do see ghosts and not really 465 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:58.400 realize it all the time. So that is my number 466 00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:02.079 one favorite case. My other case that I really, really 467 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:09.150 love is what we call Cousin It. And Cousin It 468 00:27:09.410 --> 00:27:16.349 is on YouTube, I've heard. And what it was is 469 00:27:16.390 --> 00:27:20.069 there are these little apartments or we're trying to figure 470 00:27:20.109 --> 00:27:22.809 out what they are. They're either apartments or they were 471 00:27:22.990 --> 00:27:27.109 little boarding rooms or something above the theater. And we're 472 00:27:27.250 --> 00:27:32.319 thinking we're leaning towards boarding rooms because there were live 473 00:27:32.740 --> 00:27:36.579 musical acts that would come back in the day. And 474 00:27:37.019 --> 00:27:39.099 we thought, well, you know, and they had a bar 475 00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:42.799 downstairs and we're thinking, Well, you know, that seems like 476 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.539 the perfect place if a musician is traveling and he's 477 00:27:45.579 --> 00:27:48.359 coming through and he wants a place to stay, you're 478 00:27:48.380 --> 00:27:49.960 going to go stay maybe in one of these little 479 00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:54.160 boarding rooms. Well, they're upstairs above the theater and they're 480 00:27:54.220 --> 00:27:58.369 like super active. And there's nothing in them. They're just 481 00:27:58.410 --> 00:28:02.210 these little concrete rooms. There's like a bathtub and a 482 00:28:02.250 --> 00:28:09.549 bathroom that's boarded up. But I set up a camera. 483 00:28:09.569 --> 00:28:09.670 Yeah. 484 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:12.480 I set up a trail cam up there on, on 485 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:16.349 a table and we had, and it was dark, you know, 486 00:28:16.369 --> 00:28:20.210 there's not electricity up there. And we had another investigator. 487 00:28:20.230 --> 00:28:23.490 And if you see the video, you can, you can 488 00:28:23.569 --> 00:28:26.349 see him, you can see his silhouette. He's sitting in 489 00:28:26.430 --> 00:28:31.470 a chair across from my camera. So, I mean, there's 490 00:28:31.509 --> 00:28:34.509 a guy there just, just looking right at my camera 491 00:28:34.589 --> 00:28:38.480 in the room. And all of a sudden I, for, for, 492 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:41.710 I can't even describe this. you see right in front 493 00:28:41.730 --> 00:28:45.750 of my camera, something pop up that looks like a wig. 494 00:28:46.410 --> 00:28:50.539 It's just this mop of hair. It was this crazy thing. 495 00:28:51.099 --> 00:28:55.799 It pops up and it like zooms across the screen 496 00:28:57.019 --> 00:29:01.799 and disappears. And we tried really hard to debunk that. 497

00:29:01.819 --> 00:29:04.609 We're thinking maybe somebody was sitting on the floor and 498 00:29:04.630 --> 00:29:06.609 they just happened to get up or they kind of 499 00:29:06.670 --> 00:29:10.319 moved over. And, and we couldn't repeat it. We couldn't 500 00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:14.440 replicate it. And we asked the, the ghost hunter, you know, Hey, 501 00:29:14.460 --> 00:29:16.309 did you, was anybody up there with you? Did you 502 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:20.049 see anything? You know, look at this video. And he's like, Whoa. 503 00:29:20.470 --> 00:29:24.269 He's like, no, I was by myself. Um, and we 504 00:29:24.289 --> 00:29:26.289 had a timestamp. It was on a trail cam. And 505 00:29:26.329 --> 00:29:28.630 he's like, no, I was just up there. And no, 506 00:29:28.769 --> 00:29:32.430 absolutely not. I did definitely did not see anything like 507 00:29:32.470 --> 00:29:36.880 that up there. And so we are still mystified by that. 508 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.200 But I loved that. I thought that was a good 509 00:29:39.309 --> 00:29:41.500 one too. You got any other favorites? 510 00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:46.779 Um, I mean, this is not safe to say, and 511 00:29:46.819 --> 00:29:48.920 I don't recommend doing this, but my house. 512 00:29:49.779 --> 00:29:50.259 That's right. 513 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:51.799 She lives in a haunted house, y'all. 514 00:29:51.819 --> 00:29:52.160 Yeah. 515 00:29:52.220 --> 00:29:56.109 So my house was built in the thirties. So, um, 516 00:29:56.089 --> 00:30:00.309 10 out of 10, don't recommend investigating your. 517 00:30:00.230 --> 00:30:01.619 Own house if you don't want to know what's in it. 518 00:30:02.089 --> 00:30:06.319 Yeah. But I do it anyway because sometimes I like 519 00:30:06.339 --> 00:30:06.960 stirring the pot. 520 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:08.380 Yeah. 521 00:30:08.500 --> 00:30:10.279 Anybody that knows me knows that I like- You're a 522 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:11.059 pot stirrer. 523 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:12.359 Pot stirrer. 524 00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.089 You've got to make that pot sometimes. You've got to 525 00:30:15.109 --> 00:30:16.329 make chili sometimes. 526 00:30:15.970 --> 00:30:16.890 For it to taste good. 527 00:30:16.910 --> 00:30:17.089 Okay? 528 00:30:17.269 --> 00:30:18.329 And you've got to stir it. 529 00:30:18.849 --> 00:30:23.670 So I know there is Jake the Cowboy that lives 530 00:30:23.730 --> 00:30:28.829 in my house. He is the first spirit that I 531 00:30:28.869 --> 00:30:32.430 saw and actually heard with my own two ears. First 532 00:30:32.470 --> 00:30:37.630 time I was walking out and at the time I 533 00:30:37.789 --> 00:30:41.069 thought I knew my husband had already left. So I 534 00:30:41.109 --> 00:30:43.769 was walking out and I heard clear as day, hey. 535 00:30:44.450 --> 00:30:47.299 So I turned around and I'm like, yeah, what's up? 536 00:30:47.500 --> 00:30:51.079 And then I was like, wait, I'm the only one home. 537 00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:53.859

There's only two of us in this house. He's at work. 538 00:30:54.349 --> 00:30:54.609 Nope. 539 00:30:54.990 --> 00:30:56.710 Turned back around and I was like, have a good day. 540 00:30:56.730 --> 00:30:57.490 I'm headed out. 541 00:30:58.210 --> 00:30:59.250 Shut the door, locked it. 542 00:30:59.269 --> 00:31:04.430 A week later, coming out of the bathroom and he's, 543 00:31:04.970 --> 00:31:08.490 Jake the cowboy, just standing right there. And I look 544 00:31:08.609 --> 00:31:12.230 up and I'm like, hey, bye. 545 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:16.920 What was he wearing? Was he like wearing cowboy stuff? Yeah. 546 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:22.980 Cowboys, cowboy hat, button down, whatever those things are called. 547 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:24.569 That you wear over the jeans. 548 00:31:24.890 --> 00:31:25.690 The chaps? 549 00:31:25.750 --> 00:31:26.349 Yeah, chaps. 550 00:31:26.569 --> 00:31:29.690 Okay. Yeah, I was like, I don't know if they're quarters. 551 00:31:29.710 --> 00:31:31.049 The things over the jeans. 552 00:31:31.089 --> 00:31:33.670 Those things, yeah. 553 00:31:33.809 --> 00:31:36.829 So, I mean, obviously responded to him and said, hey. 554 00:31:37.490 --> 00:31:39.730 And then just walked through him and ignored him. 555 00:31:40.450 --> 00:31:41.230 And then there is. 556 00:31:41.250 --> 00:31:42.750 I like that. Hey. 557 00:31:43.309 --> 00:31:43.730 Hey, buddy. 558 00:31:44.150 --> 00:31:47.339 How you doing? 559 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:49.279 I'm locking up. See you later. 560 00:31:49.299 --> 00:31:53.380 I was like, whatever. And then there's Beth. A sweet 561 00:31:53.420 --> 00:31:54.759 little old lady, looks like. 562 00:31:54.700 --> 00:31:59.480 She's in her 70s, has told me to not talk 563 00:31:59.500 --> 00:32:01.519 to Jake, but I still talk to Jake. 564 00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:09.400 Stirring the pot. Those are the two biggest things that 565 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:10.119 happened to me. 566 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:15.119 The most recent, I had my two-year-old niece, I was 567 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.650 babysitting her at my house, and she was sitting there 568 00:32:18.869 --> 00:32:20.109 all of a sudden, looks in the. 569 00:32:20.069 --> 00:32:25.140 Direction I always see Jake And she just points, I'm scared. 570 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:30.099 I'm scared. And I'm like, nope. Turn that way. I go, 571 00:32:30.579 --> 00:32:32.779 you can't be here. You got to go. Jake, if 572 00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.769 you're here, get out. I'm sorry. This is my niece. 573 00:32:35.809 --> 00:32:37.609 She's a child. You can't be here. 574 00:32:38.309 --> 00:32:40.650 And then as soon as I said that, she was 575 00:32:40.690 --> 00:32:43.009 perfectly fine and went back to watching her TV show. 576 00:32:43.029 --> 00:32:45.450 Did she say that she saw him? 577 00:32:45.970 --> 00:32:48.579 She would clear his day. I'm scared. 578 00:32:48.819 --> 00:32:49.980 And just pointed at him? 579 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:50.079 Yeah. 580 00:32:50.500 --> 00:32:52.039 And was pointing it. And I was like, nope. 581 00:32:52.890 --> 00:32:53.609 How old is she? 582 00:32:53.970 --> 00:32:54.390 She's two. 583 00:32:54.650 --> 00:32:56.130 She's too old. She's two, yeah. 584 00:32:56.170 --> 00:32:57.490 That's why, like, she is a child. 585 00:32:57.569 --> 00:32:58.529 You cannot, nope. 586 00:32:58.849 --> 00:32:59.089 Wow. 587 00:33:00.049 --> 00:33:01.809 And then as soon as I said that, she was 588 00:33:01.849 --> 00:33:02.630 perfectly fine. 589 00:33:03.170 --> 00:33:04.910 Yeah, don't mess with toddlers, dude. 590 00:33:04.930 --> 00:33:04.990 No. 591 00:33:05.269 --> 00:33:06.970 Yeah, no, not cool. Not cool. 592 00:33:07.049 --> 00:33:08.589 No. 593 00:33:09.029 --> 00:33:12.490 But, yeah, that was the creepiest experiences. 594 00:33:12.509 --> 00:33:16.309 You didn't tell me that one. That is creepy. 595 00:33:17.170 --> 00:33:17.430 Hey. 596 00:33:17.710 --> 00:33:18.069 Wow. 597 00:33:18.190 --> 00:33:21.579 That's why, again, don't recommend investigating your own house. 598 00:33:21.619 --> 00:33:25.240 You never know. Yeah. Did any of y'all live in 599 00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:33.109 a haunted house? No. No and yes in a way. 600 00:33:33.930 --> 00:33:39.390 We had like at one point quite a few haunted objects. 601 00:33:39.539 --> 00:33:40.490 Purposefully? 602 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:41.759 Yes. 603 00:33:42.220 --> 00:33:48.480 Okay. And then we decided to, okay, we don't really 604 00:33:48.619 --> 00:33:50.859 want to keep, because we have four kids ourselves. 605 00:33:51.740 --> 00:33:54.940 And we do we didn't have boundaries we said but 606 00:33:54.980 --> 00:33:58.420 now we only have one because we decided to relocate 607 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:02.240 them just because it's it you're you start feeling heavy 608 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:03.140 in your house. 609 00:34:03.460 --> 00:34:06.519 Yeah it's in your safe space and you don't start 610 00:34:06.539 --> 00:34:07.839 feeling like it's your house much. 611 00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:09.820 Anymore after a little bit so. 612 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:17.699 It's kind of like nope i agree I completely agree. 613 00:34:18.099 --> 00:34:21.039 And I've had conversations with people. It's like, oh, wouldn't 614 00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:23.400 it be cool to live in a haunted house? I 615 00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:27.280 say nay. I say no. I have my own haunted 616 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.719 house experience. And I was only able to last for 617 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:31.599 about 10 months. 618 00:34:32.619 --> 00:34:32.900 And it. 619 00:34:34.869 --> 00:34:39.449 Was not fun. And to live, you know, this is, yeah, 620 00:34:39.469 --> 00:34:41.469 like you said, this is our safe space. 621 00:34:41.489 --> 00:34:41.869 Mm-hmm. 622 00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.300 Um, I don't want to be on edge all the time. 623 00:34:45.340 --> 00:34:46.780 And I was on edge all the time. 624 00:34:47.219 --> 00:34:50.289 That's

how we had gotten. It wasn't like just stuff 625 00:34:50.309 --> 00:34:51.369 was happening all the time. 626 00:34:51.429 --> 00:34:53.710 It was just, you knew you were never alone. 627 00:34:54.050 --> 00:34:54.210 Yeah. 628 00:34:54.289 --> 00:34:59.630 What's going to happen next? When's it going to happen? Yeah. I, I, 629 00:34:59.869 --> 00:35:01.949 I do not, I do not recommend. 630 00:35:01.969 --> 00:35:02.590 I don't think. 631 00:35:02.570 --> 00:35:05.860 People, when they appreciate like haunted houses, what I've learned, 632 00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:07.289 I haven't been doing. 633 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:08.019 This as long as he has. 634 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:09.059 He introduced me to this. 635 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:10.179 Oh, okay. 636 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:14.269 Um, is that a lot of people associate with Hollywood and, like, 637 00:35:14.389 --> 00:35:15.730 physical stuff all the time. 638 00:35:15.750 --> 00:35:18.070 No, to me, it's more draining mentally and emotionally. 639 00:35:18.610 --> 00:35:20.030 Yeah, I agree. 640 00:35:20.050 --> 00:35:22.369 Because you're fed off of it for your energy. 641 00:35:22.030 --> 00:35:22.699 The whole time. 642 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.619 Yeah, and you know something's there with you. You know 643 00:35:25.659 --> 00:35:27.619 you're not alone. You know you're not alone. 644 00:35:27.739 --> 00:35:31.659 I always say people are, like, walking battery packs. And 645 00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:35.519 so you're basically the outlet. 646 00:35:35.940 --> 00:35:38.280 I mean, we have technology. You have to plug it 647 00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:39.090 into the wall. 648 00:35:39.750 --> 00:35:44.590 We're essentially... that wall outlet for them so i always 649 00:35:44.619 --> 00:35:46.440 say that we're we're just walking. 650 00:35:46.170 --> 00:35:50.809 Battery pack for them that's a good analogy that's really 651 00:35:50.869 --> 00:35:55.010 true i try that's true yeah. 652 00:35:54.269 --> 00:35:55.769 It took me years to think of that one don't. 653 00:35:55.670 --> 00:35:58.849 Worry and you you succeed you succeed. 654 00:35:58.449 --> 00:36:00.769 It only took me five years. 655 00:36:02.230 --> 00:36:05.199 And you brought cat balls to the party so yeah 656 00:36:05.659 --> 00:36:09.239 i'll try not to kick them next time it happens 657 00:36:09.539 --> 00:36:13.280 it happens many times Yeah, it's like, come on, cut 658 00:36:13.300 --> 00:36:17.300 me some slack here. Okay, moving on along, because I 659 00:36:17.539 --> 00:36:23.300 want some time for Q & A too. Some local haunts. 660 00:36:23.420 --> 00:36:26.090 It sounds like y'all have been kind of doing ghost 661 00:36:26.130 --> 00:36:28.590 hunting on your own anyway, so you probably already know 662 00:36:28.610 --> 00:36:31.590 about these. But if you don't, some local haunts that 663 00:36:31.690 --> 00:36:34.210 I can recommend. If you want to go out, it's 664 00:36:34.250 --> 00:36:38.880 spooky season, you know,

take your phone. I tell people, 665 00:36:38.929 --> 00:36:43.369 it's like, what's a good ghost hunting... starter kit ninety 666 00:36:43.429 --> 00:36:47.179 percent of it is your phone I mean there you 667 00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:51.199 know you've got excellent phones now have excellent cameras and 668 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:58.039 audio recording I do not recommend them for EMF I 669 00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:02.289 recommend a standalone EMF meter and you can get what's 670 00:37:02.329 --> 00:37:05.469 called a K2 meter which is a single axis meter 671 00:37:05.530 --> 00:37:07.750 I'm not going to get all nerdy with EMF meters 672 00:37:07.789 --> 00:37:12.670 but I love them And, and what you can pick 673 00:37:12.750 --> 00:37:15.469 up one of those on Amazon for 20 bucks. And 674 00:37:15.489 --> 00:37:17.449 I'm kind of bummed out because I have in my notes, 675 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.420 I was going to bring my K2 meters so y'all 676 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:23.920 can play with them, but I forgot. Um, but, but 677 00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:28.929 those measure electromagnetic fields and yeah, there's actually science behind, um, 678 00:37:30.739 --> 00:37:36.239 fluctuations in electromagnetic fields and paranormal activity. So I always 679 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.559 have an EMF meter with me. So if you have 680 00:37:38.579 --> 00:37:42.860 your phone and some cat balls and an EMF meter, 681 00:37:43.010 --> 00:37:48.829 you are good to go. So yeah, you can go 682 00:37:48.869 --> 00:37:52.269 to some of these public places and they are very active. 683 00:37:52.849 --> 00:37:59.480 Cameron Park is actually very, very active. Jacob's Ladder. is 684 00:37:59.619 --> 00:38:03.239 especially active. I, I talk to people still to this 685 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:07.619 day who, um, have been grabbed on Jacob's ladder. There's 686 00:38:07.659 --> 00:38:11.559 a ghost that grabs people and it's been nicknamed grabby, 687 00:38:12.099 --> 00:38:16.670 you know? And so, and that's been around since the 1980s. 688 00:38:17.929 --> 00:38:21.329 I know nothing else about grabby, um, other than that 689 00:38:21.389 --> 00:38:25.309 hangs out and grabs people on, on Jacob's ladder. Um, 690 00:38:25.530 --> 00:38:30.429 lover's leap is another one. that there's a rumor that 691 00:38:30.889 --> 00:38:36.849 these two Native Americans from, you know, enemy tribes, you know, 692 00:38:36.889 --> 00:38:39.630 were lovers, you know, kind of the star-crossed lovers, Romeo 693 00:38:39.650 --> 00:38:43.730 and Juliet type story, and they jumped to their deaths 694 00:38:44.530 --> 00:38:47.510 off the cliffs, and people can see them walking along 695 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.159 the cliffs, you know, in the evenings. So I don't know. 696 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.179 I tend to think that one's a little more legend 697 00:38:54.380 --> 00:39:01.369 than actual paranormal activity. Um, seven sisters, those curves, when 698 00:39:01.409 --> 00:39:04.389 you go past pecan bottoms, there used to be car 699 00:39:04.449 --> 00:39:07.349 and motorcycle races that would happen there. And there would 700 00:39:07.389 --> 00:39:11.289 be some accidents and deaths that happened. And sometimes people 701 00:39:11.309 --> 00:39:16.309 will hear or see, you know, residual activity, um, not 702 00:39:16.389 --> 00:39:19.880 ghosts necessarily, but just activity that somehow been imprinted in 703 00:39:19.909 --> 00:39:23.000 the environment. Uh, and they'll hear, you know, crying or 704 00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:30.679 screams or car crashes. um, those types of things. And, um, 705 00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.340 there's also, this is interesting. This is a more recent 706 00:39:34.420 --> 00:39:37.199 one that I've, I've heard about. This is a story, um, 707 00:39:39.050 --> 00:39:44.630 the body in the Brazos, um, where supposedly this, this, 708 00:39:44.710 --> 00:39:49.989 this phantom body, will be seen floating down the Brazos 709 00:39:50.050 --> 00:39:53.469 River and then disappearing when it gets to one of 710 00:39:53.489 --> 00:39:56.699 the bridges. Now, if y'all happen to see a body 711 00:39:56.780 --> 00:40:02.019 floating in the Brazos, please call the police. Don't automatically 712 00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:04.760 assume it's a ghost, you know, because it could be real. 713 00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:10.800 But I thought that was very interesting. So Witch's Castle, 714 00:40:11.099 --> 00:40:15.920 that's kind of a more well-known one here in Waco. 715 00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:21.159 And it is on the, the mountain biking trails in 716 00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:25.679 Cameron park off of Adeline drive. If you, if you 717 00:40:25.699 --> 00:40:29.329 look up Adeline drive, which is like right outside of, 718 00:40:30.050 --> 00:40:32.610 of the park and it has its own entrance and 719 00:40:32.650 --> 00:40:39.389 you can still see the, um, archway. And now originally 720 00:40:39.409 --> 00:40:42.389 it was not the property of a witch, but that's 721 00:40:42.429 --> 00:40:46.969 the rumor. It was a family vacation home that was 722 00:40:47.150 --> 00:40:52.179 eventually burned down. But the history of the area, which 723 00:40:52.219 --> 00:40:56.119 was called the Cedar Breaks, is even more interesting because 724 00:40:56.139 --> 00:40:58.599 there was a church up there. There was a cemetery 725 00:40:58.699 --> 00:41:04.750 up there. And there was a madam that operated from 726 00:41:04.849 --> 00:41:08.650 the Cedar Breaks up there because Camp MacArthur was nearby. 727 00:41:10.050 --> 00:41:14.039 So don't discount that there's... activity there just because the 728 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:17.019 legend may not be true because people have, I've talked 729 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.219 to people that have experienced activity in that, which is 730 00:41:20.260 --> 00:41:24.739 castle area. Um, so that's open to the public trying 731 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:30.550 to think, Oh yeah. Downtown

between fourth and Austin, which 732 00:41:31.070 --> 00:41:37.409 is across, it's that little stretch between the tornado monument and, 733 00:41:37.550 --> 00:41:43.550 and Franklin Avenue where the, the, the balconies, the downtown balconies, apartments, 734 00:41:44.110 --> 00:41:48.269 and it's like the American Bank, that little area. I 735 00:41:49.610 --> 00:41:54.260 used to do tours, and we got crazy EMFs in 736 00:41:54.280 --> 00:42:00.099 that area. That is also the site where newspaperman William Brand, 737 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.920 he's a very famous Waco person from history, and he 738 00:42:03.940 --> 00:42:07.760 was a real pot, speaking of pot stirrers, he was 739 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.739 a real pot stirrer and had made a lot of 740 00:42:10.860 --> 00:42:18.340 enemies in Waco. And, and he eventually crossed a line 741 00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:24.530 and he called female Baylor students, Madeline's, which was, or Magdalene's, 742 00:42:24.610 --> 00:42:30.369 excuse me, not the cookie, the Magdalene's and, um, which 743 00:42:30.429 --> 00:42:37.420 meant whores. Well, one of, The fathers of a Baylor student, 744 00:42:37.460 --> 00:42:40.449 Tom Davis, called him out and said, you know, next 745 00:42:40.489 --> 00:42:42.119 time I see that guy, I'm going to kill him. 746 00:42:43.449 --> 00:42:46.389 And sure enough, they met up in that little stretch 747 00:42:46.510 --> 00:42:49.690 and they had a duel and they both shot each other. 748 00:42:49.769 --> 00:42:54.489 Tom Davis died at the site and Brand died from 749 00:42:54.530 --> 00:42:58.309 his wounds a little bit later. I've talked to people 750 00:42:58.329 --> 00:43:02.309 that have lived in those apartments across the street, the balconies. 751 00:43:02.949 --> 00:43:07.150 And they've seen actual apparitions and shadow people walking up 752 00:43:07.190 --> 00:43:12.550 and down that street, which is very interesting to me. 753 00:43:12.570 --> 00:43:20.039 Oakwood Cemetery, beautiful. Supposedly there's a ghost that peeks out 754 00:43:20.099 --> 00:43:25.039 from behind trees. We don't know who he is, but 755 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.949 the cemetery is haunted. It is also haunted by William Brand, 756 00:43:29.110 --> 00:43:32.269 the guy that died in the duel. Um, his grave 757 00:43:32.329 --> 00:43:36.510 is up towards the front and occasionally people say that 758 00:43:36.530 --> 00:43:39.050 they see him kind of hanging out by his gravestone 759 00:43:39.150 --> 00:43:42.250 and by a tree that's next to his gravestone. So 760 00:43:42.309 --> 00:43:48.570 there's that. Um, there's these two really, really tall statues. 761 00:43:49.369 --> 00:43:52.769 One was the, they're Coke and Wallace. I think it 762 00:43:52.789 --> 00:43:56.510 was Coke that, um, was a governor of Texas for 763 00:43:56.550 --> 00:43:59.820 a while. And Wallace, who was a physician and they 764 00:43:59.860 --> 00:44:03.599 were besties. And so they have these two huge monuments, 765 00:44:03.659 --> 00:44:06.090 and they're facing one another because they were so close 766 00:44:06.130 --> 00:44:10.250 in life. There's been reports of people hearing them talking 767 00:44:10.809 --> 00:44:14.949 back and forth. So, you know, Oakwood is another spot 768 00:44:14.989 --> 00:44:16.550 that you can go to. It's beautiful, by the way. 769 00:44:16.610 --> 00:44:19.820 It's absolutely gorgeous, even if you just want to take 770 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:24.800 a walk. And Patrick Cemetery is one of my favorite 771 00:44:24.820 --> 00:44:28.179 little historic cemeteries, and that's in China Spring. It's a 772 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:33.960 little bit harder to get to. But there's reports of 773 00:44:34.940 --> 00:44:40.340 moving headstones, which I've never seen that. But people have 774 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:43.360 gotten some really good EVPs there. When I was there 775 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:47.949 one time, we had someone with one of those parabolic 776 00:44:48.010 --> 00:44:51.650 mics with kind of an ear. It's like they've got 777 00:44:51.690 --> 00:44:56.409 the cone. And we got a vibrating headstone, which I 778 00:44:56.429 --> 00:44:59.650 thought was really interesting. We've gotten EMF readings that have 779 00:44:59.670 --> 00:45:04.420 been unusual. Um, and there's no electricity. It's very rural. 780 00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:08.739 And so, um, so that's another fun place to visit 781 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:13.300 as well. So these are all very public places that 782 00:45:13.340 --> 00:45:16.949 if you want to go out and do some investigating, they're, 783 00:45:17.170 --> 00:45:20.269 they're very active and they're really cool places to investigate. 784 00:45:20.289 --> 00:45:23.510 Do you, do you know of any more? I covered 785 00:45:23.550 --> 00:45:27.349 a bunch. No, not any, no, we can't do the 786 00:45:27.409 --> 00:45:33.280 non-public ones, but yeah, yeah. And so, yes. And, and 787 00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:37.679 a tip on non public ones, because there are a 788 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.519 number of non public ones. Um, the best way to 789 00:45:42.579 --> 00:45:48.900 get into those is I recommend, um, volunteering. I worked 790 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.679 at the zoo as a volunteer for five years and 791 00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:56.690 got to know people and have access now to the zoo, um, 792 00:45:56.750 --> 00:46:01.010 behind the scenes and after hours. Um, And it's very, 793 00:46:01.230 --> 00:46:06.349 very haunted. And so, you know, volunteer, get to know people, 794 00:46:07.510 --> 00:46:11.449 let them get to know you. And if you just 795 00:46:11.530 --> 00:46:18.530 make those connections and show them that you're not totally insane, then, 796 00:46:18.630 --> 00:46:23.969 you know, people are curious and they're open. And everybody 797 00:46:24.139 --> 00:46:28.380 that I've met, they have a ghost story. And, you know, 798 00:46:28.780 --> 00:46:33.150 if you seem legit then

there's a very good chance 799 00:46:33.369 --> 00:46:37.389 that they will let you in to investigate. And so 800 00:46:37.650 --> 00:46:42.780 those non-public places, yeah, those are cool. But they can 801 00:46:42.820 --> 00:46:49.179 be hard won and take time. You can't just expect 802 00:46:49.219 --> 00:46:54.019 to go into these places because a lot of them 803 00:46:54.099 --> 00:47:02.019 are historical museums and businesses. And people are rightfully skittish. 804 00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:05.300 It's like, I really don't know you. I don't want 805 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.260 you just coming in here and giving you free reign. 806 00:47:07.460 --> 00:47:14.199 But yeah, yeah. And there are a couple of tours 807 00:47:15.929 --> 00:47:21.429 that I recommend. Brazos Haunted Tour through Brazos Tours. Adam 808 00:47:21.469 --> 00:47:24.730 is the tour guide. He's freaking amazing. He dresses up 809 00:47:24.789 --> 00:47:26.949 as a zombie or a vampire. I don't know if 810 00:47:26.969 --> 00:47:28.289 you've been on one of his band tours. 811 00:47:28.309 --> 00:47:28.530 Yeah, I have. 812 00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:33.949 He's awesome. I love Adam. Adam is just the best. 813 00:47:34.289 --> 00:47:36.989 He's very dramatic, you know? 814 00:47:37.630 --> 00:47:37.849 Yeah. 815 00:47:38.250 --> 00:47:38.449 Yeah. 816 00:47:38.630 --> 00:47:42.610 So yeah. Recommend Adam's tour. Um, also the Dr. Pepper 817 00:47:42.630 --> 00:47:46.550 museum has a paranormal tour. I used to do those. 818 00:47:46.809 --> 00:47:49.079 I got really busy, so I'm not able to do 819 00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:51.760 those anymore, but they are still running. They're still booking 820 00:47:51.940 --> 00:47:55.159 up the, um, and that is a, you know, not 821 00:47:55.239 --> 00:48:00.150 public access place for haunt investigations anymore. But on the tour, 822 00:48:00.210 --> 00:48:03.289 you get a chance to see behind the scenes, after hours, 823 00:48:03.829 --> 00:48:07.059 and experience some of the paranormal activity. And it's active. 824 00:48:07.619 --> 00:48:08.000 The Dr. 825 00:48:08.019 --> 00:48:14.199 Pepper Museum is a very paranormally active place. So anything else? Nope. 826 00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:15.039 Nope. 827 00:48:15.179 --> 00:48:15.889 Did I cover it? 828 00:48:15.940 --> 00:48:16.139 Yep. 829 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:19.739 Every single one of it. Every single one of it? 830 00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:20.800 Every single one of it. 831 00:48:21.059 --> 00:48:24.679 All right. And I thought since we're in a bookstore, 832 00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:26.570 why don't we end with what are some of your 833 00:48:26.610 --> 00:48:27.570 favorite spooky books? 834 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.800 I just recently finished Play Nice. 835 00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:32.699 Oh, I haven't heard of that one. 836 00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:37.219 That one's... How do you explain this? I'm not good 837 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:37.900 at explaining. 838 00:48:38.460 --> 00:48:39.409 But.... 839 00:48:41.610 --> 00:48:46.389 Mom passes away, ends up... The three daughters end up 840 00:48:46.510 --> 00:48:50.909 inheriting their childhood haunted house and trying to figure out 841 00:48:51.929 --> 00:48:56.090 what to do with it. So it's this whole unfolding 842 00:48:56.110 --> 00:49:00.309 of their childhood... while facing their mother's demons. 843 00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:02.460 Literal demons? 844 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:04.559 Yes and no. 845 00:49:04.820 --> 00:49:05.679 Yes and no? 846 00:49:05.820 --> 00:49:06.480 Okay. 847 00:49:08.139 --> 00:49:13.789 Yeah, okay. All right. Ooh, that sounds intriguing. Do you 848 00:49:13.809 --> 00:49:16.929 remember the author? Or what's the title again? 849 00:49:17.269 --> 00:49:17.969 Play Nice. 850 00:49:18.150 --> 00:49:19.250 Play Nice, okay. 851 00:49:19.389 --> 00:49:19.909 By Rachel. 852 00:49:20.190 --> 00:49:21.070 Something something. 853 00:49:21.409 --> 00:49:22.170 Okay, close enough. 854 00:49:22.309 --> 00:49:22.969 That's all I got. 855 00:49:23.050 --> 00:49:25.190 Yeah. 856 00:49:25.250 --> 00:49:25.809 I'm sure, yeah. 857 00:49:26.050 --> 00:49:26.929 Yeah, I'm sure. 858 00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:29.199 Sure. Okay, sounds good. I might have to pick that 859 00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:29.570 one up. 860 00:49:29.889 --> 00:49:30.409 Purple House. 861 00:49:31.110 --> 00:49:31.880 Purple House. 862 00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:32.980 Purple House on the cover. 863 00:49:33.179 --> 00:49:33.719 Play Nice. 864 00:49:34.019 --> 00:49:34.260 Yeah. 865 00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:35.139 By Rachel. 866 00:49:35.420 --> 00:49:35.820 Harrison. 867 00:49:36.420 --> 00:49:37.139 Harrison, there you go. 868 00:49:37.619 --> 00:49:41.150 Oh, I love it. Safe. The internet is so helpful. 869 00:49:42.250 --> 00:49:44.349 Yeah, I don't feel like bringing up my good reads, 870 00:49:44.670 --> 00:49:46.949 so that's what I got. 871 00:49:48.110 --> 00:49:49.590 So, any other ones? 872 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:55.460 I'm reading Hidden Pictures currently, which is, I don't fully 873 00:49:55.739 --> 00:49:56.659 know what's going on. 874 00:49:57.719 --> 00:49:58.699 Oh, I haven't heard of that one. 875 00:49:58.800 --> 00:49:59.840 I'm not even halfway through. 876 00:49:59.860 --> 00:50:01.199 Really? 877 00:50:01.219 --> 00:50:01.760 It's a good look. 878 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:04.440 It's about a five-year-old drawing pictures. 879 00:50:06.380 --> 00:50:07.440 Is there spooky stuff in it? 880 00:50:10.289 --> 00:50:11.349 I don't know. Yet? 881 00:50:11.389 --> 00:50:12.369 That's a great question. 882 00:50:12.429 --> 00:50:12.630 Maybe. 883 00:50:12.730 --> 00:50:16.570 I don't know yet. Maybe there's like spooky pictures or something. 884 00:50:17.570 --> 00:50:20.269 I mean, I did cheat and yes, there are spooky 885 00:50:20.309 --> 00:50:24.530 pictures because I flipped through the book. Okay. Yeah. 886 00:50:25.050 --> 00:50:26.269 Do they have the pictures in there? 887

00:50:26.289 --> 00:50:26.730 Yeah. 888 00:50:27.170 --> 00:50:27.349 Yeah. 889 00:50:27.650 --> 00:50:29.730 I love books like that. I like your books. 890 00:50:29.750 --> 00:50:30.280 Yeah, I do too. 891 00:50:30.289 --> 00:50:30.659 I do too. 892 00:50:31.289 --> 00:50:35.670 I do too. They're awesome. Yeah. Okay. I was going 893 00:50:35.690 --> 00:50:40.519 through my list of creepy books that I really enjoyed. Um, I'm, 894 00:50:40.739 --> 00:50:43.820 I'm more towards the classics, uh, you know, Frankenstein direct 895 00:50:43.989 --> 00:50:47.730 Bram Stoker's Dracula, the strange case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. 896 00:50:47.789 --> 00:50:48.309 Hyde. 897 00:50:49.510 --> 00:50:54.210 Um, I also like anything. This is kind of a crossover, um, 898 00:50:55.550 --> 00:51:01.639 between sci-fi and, and horror, but I love anything by Michael, 899 00:51:01.739 --> 00:51:06.340 Michael Crichton. Um, especially, you know, he's the guy that 900 00:51:06.380 --> 00:51:11.389 did Jurassic park. So, um, Um, I also love, you know, 901 00:51:11.409 --> 00:51:14.369 I love Jurassic Park. That's really got me hooked on him. Um, 902 00:51:15.969 --> 00:51:18.769 he has a book called Eaters of the Dead, which 903 00:51:18.849 --> 00:51:23.659 is very, very creepy. And it's set in ancient Viking times. And, 904 00:51:24.219 --> 00:51:27.019 you know, these, these creepy ghost-like people come in and 905 00:51:27.059 --> 00:51:31.380 terrorize the Vikings. Um, so that's, that's a really good one. 906 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:33.699 His are always very suspenseful, but they're kind of like 907 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:39.710 cross genre. But I, I, I love his books. Um, 908 00:51:40.949 --> 00:51:45.150 I like Stephen King a lot. Um, I think that 909 00:51:45.210 --> 00:51:50.309 he gets a little wordy, um, but, um, but I 910 00:51:50.349 --> 00:51:54.429 do like his books. I haven't read nearly all of them. 911 00:51:54.570 --> 00:51:59.590 I mean, he's super prolific. Um, but, but a couple 912 00:51:59.610 --> 00:52:03.030 of my favorites that I really enjoyed of Stephen King's was, 913 00:52:03.070 --> 00:52:07.750 was Desperation. And Bag of Bones, which is a straight-up 914 00:52:07.789 --> 00:52:14.369 ghost story. I really enjoyed that one. And what is 915 00:52:14.429 --> 00:52:18.889 the other one? I have it written down here. Needful Things. 916 00:52:19.570 --> 00:52:22.280 I thought Needful Things was really good, too. There's a 917 00:52:22.300 --> 00:52:28.440 good lesson there about greed. I really appreciated that. And 918 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:35.289 I think my all-time scariest book and movie that I've 919 00:52:35.349 --> 00:52:38.909 ever read and watched is the exorcist. Even, even to 920 00:52:38.969 --> 00:52:44.059 this day, I'm like, you know, I just, it's like, 921 00:52:44.099 --> 00:52:46.260 and I know it's an old movie and the effects 922 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:51.099 are really cheesy, but it's like, it just, it just 923 00:52:51.199

--> 00:52:56.599 gets me. I'm just like, like Jodi, the pig and yeah. 924 00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.800 So yeah, all that stuff. Um, so yeah. And I 925 00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:02.510 have read Amityville horror as well. And I liked that 926 00:53:02.610 --> 00:53:07.630 one as well. So lots of good horror books. Lots 927 00:53:07.690 --> 00:53:12.070 of good horror books. Anything else? No. 928 00:53:12.489 --> 00:53:12.849 No? 929 00:53:13.150 --> 00:53:16.460 No. Okay. Okay, so that leaves us about 10 minutes 930 00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.980 for Q & A. Do you all have any questions, comments? 931 00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:20.239 Yeah. 932 00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:21.679 So you mentioned. 933 00:53:21.460 --> 00:53:24.760 Earlier ghost men, so more people are prone to spiritual activity. 934 00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.980 I was wondering if you could explain that a little 935 00:53:28.019 --> 00:53:31.099 bit more, especially when we, with our group, we. 936 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:33.119 Go and we deal with families and almost. 937 00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:35.469 you'll run into at some point where they say, well, 938 00:53:35.530 --> 00:53:38.969 my kid's very susceptible or so-and-so is very susceptible or 939 00:53:39.070 --> 00:53:40.630 we go to see something. 940 00:53:40.670 --> 00:53:42.110 So I was wondering if. 941 00:53:42.070 --> 00:53:43.710 There's a way to explain that or if there's a 942 00:53:43.809 --> 00:53:44.789 natural explanation. 943 00:53:45.849 --> 00:53:53.139 We're parsing that out. It's fascinating. And one of the questions, 944 00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:56.340 the very first questions I ask if we're dealing with, 945 00:53:56.989 --> 00:54:00.610 with folks. I don't do home investigations anymore, but when 946 00:54:00.650 --> 00:54:03.590 I did, one of the first questions I would ask is, 947 00:54:04.449 --> 00:54:09.489 have you had these types of experiences other places? And 948 00:54:10.309 --> 00:54:12.550 a lot of times they'll say, oh yeah, I've had 949 00:54:12.590 --> 00:54:16.750 these experiences all my life. And that tells me this 950 00:54:16.809 --> 00:54:20.389 is a person-centered thing. This is not a place-centered thing. 951 00:54:20.469 --> 00:54:24.320 It's one of these ghost magnet-y things. And what we're 952 00:54:24.579 --> 00:54:28.210 finding is And this is the academic part of it. 953 00:54:28.309 --> 00:54:32.530 There's a theory that we're working on. It's called haunted 954 00:54:32.590 --> 00:54:38.829 people syndrome. And people that are actually wired up mentally 955 00:54:39.489 --> 00:54:43.679 that are high in a mental trait called transliminality, we 956 00:54:43.699 --> 00:54:46.079 have these kind of natural barriers. And yes, I'm going 957 00:54:46.099 --> 00:54:47.860 to get kind of nerdy here. But we have these 958 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:53.280 natural barriers in our brains between our subconscious mind, our 959 00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:58.659 conscious mind, in the environment and most people they have 960 00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:03.860 pretty pretty well locked gates between these people that are 961 00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:09.670 high in transliminality their gates are cracked open so we 962 00:55:09.789 --> 00:55:14.210 see things that flow very easily between their their conscious 963 00:55:14.269 --> 00:55:18.170 mind their subconscious mind and the environment how that's related 964 00:55:18.230 --> 00:55:20.880 we don't exactly know but there's a really high correlation 965 00:55:20.889 --> 00:55:27.159 and So you've got these people that are high in transliminality, um, 966 00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:31.280 that believe in ghosts, believe it or not, belief plays 967 00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:37.760 a big role. And, um, so they believe in the activity. 968 00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:41.670 They're high in this mental trait. A lot of times 969 00:55:41.750 --> 00:55:47.630 they will have psychic abilities and psychic sensitivities. And what 970 00:55:47.690 --> 00:55:51.389 happens is you've got this magical soup of a person, um, 971 00:55:52.019 --> 00:55:56.159 And you put them in what we call a liminal environment, 972 00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:01.260 a spooky and a rumored to be haunted environment, and 973 00:56:01.409 --> 00:56:06.929 weird stuff happens. So you've got right person, right place 974 00:56:07.630 --> 00:56:11.889 equals weirdness. And it's not just them, because that would 975 00:56:11.929 --> 00:56:17.489 be really easy to dismiss. It's like, oh, they're hallucinating 976 00:56:17.570 --> 00:56:20.050 or they're imagining things or misinterpreting things. 977 00:56:20.070 --> 00:56:20.130 No. 978 00:56:20.179 --> 00:56:20.340 No. 979 00:56:21.469 --> 00:56:28.309 When they're in these environments, everybody experiences things. And that, 980 00:56:28.590 --> 00:56:33.659 that's the crazy part. There's like objective things that happen 981 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:39.380 when they're around. So is that natural? Is that supernatural? 982 00:56:40.619 --> 00:56:44.679 Is it some sort of environment person interaction? We call 983 00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:48.449 it an interactionalist model because we don't know exactly what, 984 00:56:48.530 --> 00:56:53.699 but something, this, this, chemistry between the person and the 985 00:56:53.760 --> 00:57:10.480 environment is causing paranormal activity. We're working on it. I'm, I'm, 986 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:14.119 I am like so curious about that. And the Phillip 987 00:57:14.179 --> 00:57:17.920 experiment is a really good example where you've got, you 988 00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:20.739 had a bunch of researchers that made their own ghost. 989 00:57:21.590 --> 00:57:26.329 They manifested paranormal, what we would call paranormal activity. 990 00:57:26.349 --> 00:57:27.190 Yeah. 991 00:57:27.289 --> 00:57:29.809 You mean like the commercial haunted houses? 992 00:57:30.090 --> 00:57:30.449 Right. 993 00:57:30.550 --> 00:57:33.250 This is a terrifying haunted location. 994

00:57:52.309 --> 00:57:59.289 There's very little actual historical backing for how the. 995 00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:00.219 Stuff that's going on in there. 996 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:01.099 Yeah. Yeah. 997 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:04.780 And I have theories about that as well. You know, 998 00:58:04.860 --> 00:58:08.360 Allison's talking about us being batteries, I mean, which I 999 00:58:08.659 --> 00:58:12.880 totally agree with. And a really cool place, it's a 1000 00:58:12.940 --> 00:58:17.139 pay-to-play place to investigate, and boy, do you pay dearly. 1001 00:58:17.699 --> 00:58:20.860 But it's Haunted Hill House and Mineral Wells. 1002 00:58:20.889 --> 00:58:21.030 Oh, yeah. 1003 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:22.559 Okay. 1004 00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:24.079 Oh, wow. 1005 00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:26.519 He's actually done, like, grant help. 1006 00:58:26.900 --> 00:58:28.539 I helped out there. 1007 00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:32.900 I think the last year I helped out there. When 1008 00:58:33.980 --> 00:58:35.780 it was under Bill Kirchhoff, I actually. 1009 00:58:35.780 --> 00:58:38.300 Went there and helped out there. 1010 00:58:38.380 --> 00:58:38.760 Wow. 1011 00:58:39.780 --> 00:58:42.079 Okay, yeah, because I know the Estes own it now. 1012 00:58:42.099 --> 00:58:46.909 They're nice people. Yeah, Kathy, I haven't met her husband, 1013 00:58:46.929 --> 00:58:50.849 but Kathy seems nice. But, yeah, that place is super active. 1014 00:58:50.869 --> 00:58:50.969 Yeah. 1015 00:58:52.570 --> 00:58:56.320 And, um, if you have the money, you know, get 1016 00:58:56.340 --> 00:58:58.739 a big group of people together and split it up 1017 00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:04.860 because it costs. Um, but I look at that place 1018 00:59:05.289 --> 00:59:09.929 and if you think about all of the energy that's contained, 1019 00:59:10.900 --> 00:59:14.699 being poured into that place from all of the tours, 1020 00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:22.050 all of the investigations, I'm not surprised at how much 1021 00:59:22.230 --> 00:59:24.590 activity is there. I think it feeds it. 1022 00:59:24.929 --> 00:59:26.030 Yeah, when we were there, I said that was like 1023 00:59:26.050 --> 00:59:30.769 a feeling. with objects also supposedly showing up and things. 1024 00:59:30.789 --> 00:59:31.730 I feel like it's. 1025 00:59:31.630 --> 00:59:34.630 Just, instead of it being its natural haunt, it's become 1026 00:59:34.670 --> 00:59:36.030 more of like a melting. 1027 00:59:35.750 --> 00:59:37.769 Pot of just different things just filling in there. 1028 00:59:37.889 --> 00:59:40.730 I feel like the whole paranormal world has become more about. 1029 00:59:40.570 --> 00:59:43.389 How much darker we can make anything than the actual 1030 00:59:43.469 --> 00:59:44.989 research that's going into it. 1031 00:59:45.530 --> 00:59:45.710 Yeah. 1032 00:59:46.150 --> 00:59:48.429 That I don't like, and I'm not going to get 1033 00:59:48.510 --> 00:59:51.869 off on all of that, but fear triggers really

bother me, 1034 00:59:51.909 --> 00:59:53.570 and that house is full of fear triggers. 1035 00:59:53.590 --> 00:59:53.969 Yes. 1036 00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:57.820 The doll room alone just, I'm like, no, ma'am. No. 1037 00:59:57.949 --> 00:59:59.250 I always get. 1038 00:59:59.769 --> 01:00:03.429 The room names mixed up. Yeah, I do, too. 1039 01:00:03.489 --> 01:00:07.190 But the one that has the casket in it, to me, that. 1040 01:00:07.190 --> 01:00:09.969 One's the scariest one in there. 1041 01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:12.960 Well, yeah, and it's like, for Pete's sake, you got 1042 01:00:12.980 --> 01:00:14.500 a casket in there. Who's not going to be creeped 1043 01:00:14.579 --> 01:00:15.219 out by that? 1044 01:00:15.579 --> 01:00:18.019 To me, there is a place I want to make 1045 01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:20.800 a check on, too, is the Hill House Manor in 1046 01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:21.699 Gainesville Head. 1047 01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:26.840 One of our fellow investigators, Georgina Holzmeier, has been there. 1048 01:00:27.449 --> 01:00:30.210 Yes. We go there at least once a year or 1049 01:00:30.230 --> 01:00:32.170 twice a year. We love it so much. And it's 1050 01:00:32.250 --> 01:00:36.489 not set up in minerals. It's just the bones. 1051 01:00:36.690 --> 01:00:36.929 Yeah. 1052 01:00:37.510 --> 01:00:38.800 And so we like a lot of foods. 1053 01:00:39.699 --> 01:00:40.440 I think that's better. 1054 01:00:40.460 --> 01:00:42.820 I agree. 1055 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:46.539 I don't like the fear triggers it. It makes people 1056 01:00:46.659 --> 01:00:55.980 anxious whether they're recognizing that or not. Yeah. 1057 01:00:56.920 --> 01:00:57.260 Oh, yeah. 1058 01:00:57.539 --> 01:00:58.679 Yeah, you're primed. 1059 01:00:58.699 --> 01:00:59.440 You're ready. 1060 01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:00.739 Totally. 1061 01:01:01.929 --> 01:01:03.619 Any other questions? 1062 01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:08.210 Yeah. 1063 01:01:09.469 --> 01:01:10.329 Oh, the manger. 1064 01:01:10.389 --> 01:01:12.730 I love the manger. Their brunch is amazing. 1065 01:01:13.139 --> 01:01:15.099 And it was in the middle of the night. 1066 01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:16.599 And there were three other ladies in the hotel room 1067 01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:20.119 and I'm all in the book up and this entity. 1068 01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:21.559 Was above me and. 1069 01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:23.780 Said something very personal to me that no one else 1070 01:01:23.820 --> 01:01:26.750 would know and threatening me. Have you ever found a 1071 01:01:26.789 --> 01:01:29.150 ghost that knows things about you and. 1072 01:01:29.070 --> 01:01:30.030 Says something to you? 1073 01:01:31.130 --> 01:01:37.050 It's actually fairly common. Does Jake know about you? 1074 01:01:37.809 --> 01:01:38.050 Yes. 1075 01:01:38.369 --> 01:01:39.530 Yes, he does. 1076 01:01:39.550 --> 01:01:43.230 I feel like a lot of it's just like. 1077 01:01:44.889 --> 01:01:47.130 Reading energy just like you read people. 1078 01:01:46.909 --> 01:01:51.159 Like somebody might rub you the wrong way um. 1079 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:57.980 It listens which we figured out um we were she 1080 01:01:58.019 --> 01:01:59.980 and i were meeting up with one of my friends 1081 01:02:00.820 --> 01:02:05.800 um actually just right here at wicklewell and we're trying 1082 01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:08.699 to convince him to come you know there we i 1083 01:02:08.739 --> 01:02:13.789 say bare bones investigation at cultivate And he was like, no, no, 1084 01:02:13.849 --> 01:02:14.469 I'm not. 1085 01:02:14.269 --> 01:02:17.750 Into all that. So we're leaving, and we're joking. We're like, oh, 1086 01:02:17.769 --> 01:02:22.110 what a wuss, this and that. You know, just playing around. Well, 1087 01:02:22.130 --> 01:02:25.110 we get to cultivate and go. 1088 01:02:24.989 --> 01:02:29.570 Down the tunnels, and we're investigating, and we get an 1089 01:02:29.610 --> 01:02:32.050 EVP that says, what a wuss. 1090 01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:34.320 And we're like, who? 1091 01:02:34.510 --> 01:02:35.159 Who's a wuss? 1092 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:36.940 And it called my friend. 1093 01:02:36.860 --> 01:02:39.619 Out by name. I forgot about that. 1094 01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:40.260 Yeah, it did. 1095 01:02:40.969 --> 01:02:44.289 So not once do we have a nickname for him, 1096 01:02:44.949 --> 01:02:47.369 and we have always called him by his nickname. 1097 01:02:48.190 --> 01:02:49.559 Not once mentioned his. 1098 01:02:49.510 --> 01:02:51.699 Actual name, but called him out by his actual name. 1099 01:02:52.780 --> 01:02:56.679 So it's like, yes, they do get information, I'm assuming, 1100 01:02:57.179 --> 01:03:00.489 by their own means, just like we communicate by our 1101 01:03:00.550 --> 01:03:06.329 own means. But yes, that happened to us personally not 1102 01:03:06.349 --> 01:03:06.989 too long ago. 1103 01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:21.289 Oh wow wow yeah it happens. 1104 01:03:21.650 --> 01:03:26.300 I'm assuming they just communicate over here just like we 1105 01:03:26.340 --> 01:03:33.179 do again don't know for sure but it does happen from. 1106 01:03:33.059 --> 01:03:38.730 Time to time yeah it's unsettling I'd forgotten about that. 1107 01:03:38.750 --> 01:03:40.909 That one's kind of funny. 1108 01:03:41.190 --> 01:03:42.389 That one's my favorite. 1109 01:03:42.610 --> 01:03:43.280 Yeah, that's funny. 1110 01:03:43.980 --> 01:03:46.460 Have y'all ever been to Orbis Fault in Calvert yet? 1111 01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:49.380 In where? Orbis Fault in Calvert. 1112 01:03:50.179 --> 01:03:50.880 I have. 1113 01:03:51.059 --> 01:03:51.760 We have too. 1114 01:03:52.099 --> 01:03:55.510 Yes, that's a really cool cemetery. That one is neat. 1115 01:03:55.530 --> 01:03:57.070 You have to kind of fight your way back there 1116 01:03:57.110 --> 01:03:57.750 into the bushes. 1117 01:03:57.769 --> 01:03:59.710 I think they've got it more clear right now. We 1118 01:03:59.730 --> 01:04:00.690 haven't been

there in a while. 1119 01:04:00.969 --> 01:04:01.369 I hope so. 1120 01:04:01.409 --> 01:04:02.449 I'll go there just the last. 1121 01:04:02.289 --> 01:04:03.210 Time with the shade going. 1122 01:04:03.860 --> 01:04:05.219 I was going to say there's, you know. 1123 01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:09.429 I'm kind of, I'm not even gonna lie. I get 1124 01:04:09.489 --> 01:04:10.550 scared sometimes. 1125 01:04:10.590 --> 01:04:13.550 I'm kind of scared to. 1126 01:04:12.829 --> 01:04:17.150 Go back because it was when we were dating. 1127 01:04:17.289 --> 01:04:20.230 What a date. Let's go to the cemetery. 1128 01:04:20.250 --> 01:04:24.949 So we went and, um. 1129 01:04:26.150 --> 01:04:28.530 You know, because of the little kids that we communicate with. 1130 01:04:29.289 --> 01:04:32.820 So he said that I liked kids. kind of used 1131 01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:37.489 me as a trigger object. Well, we got- Come on, sweetheart. 1132 01:04:37.670 --> 01:04:38.309 Be bait. 1133 01:04:38.769 --> 01:04:38.969 Yeah. 1134 01:04:39.010 --> 01:04:41.250 I was like, I looked at him and he. 1135 01:04:41.130 --> 01:04:41.630 Didn't want me. 1136 01:04:41.630 --> 01:04:45.289 He said, I said, seriously? Are you serious? So anyway, 1137 01:04:45.309 --> 01:04:47.849 so we're leaving. We got EVPs and stuff like that. 1138 01:04:47.869 --> 01:04:52.269 And we're on the way home and like, something's off. 1139 01:04:53.309 --> 01:04:55.449 So I don't, I don't feel like I'm alone. He's like, no, 1140 01:04:55.489 --> 01:04:57.429 you probably just have a paranormal hand. I was like, no, 1141 01:04:57.610 --> 01:05:00.380 something is off. I'm telling you, this isn't normal. 1142 01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:00.929 Mm-hmm. 1143 01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:04.219 Well, in our house, we started here and running down 1144 01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:05.920 our hallways. And I'll be honest, I live in a 1145 01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:09.320 double-wide trailer, so there's not really a hallway. And I 1146 01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:12.059 have a son, just our son at the time. And 1147 01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:12.820 he's not a lot. 1148 01:05:13.260 --> 01:05:16.869 Getting up, looking, he's not out. We come back a 1149 01:05:17.090 --> 01:05:18.230 few days later, same thing. 1150 01:05:19.170 --> 01:05:20.690 He's not home. He's at work. 1151 01:05:20.809 --> 01:05:23.269 My son's in his room playing with his, oh, I 1152 01:05:23.289 --> 01:05:26.449 get freaked out about this, playing with the dogs. 1153 01:05:27.289 --> 01:05:30.329 And I'm browning meat. And right behind me, and you're 1154 01:05:30.809 --> 01:05:34.449 a little, Kid giggle. Loud enough. 1155 01:05:34.530 --> 01:05:34.849 I know. 1156 01:05:34.989 --> 01:05:36.050 Oh, stay with me, brother. 1157 01:05:36.369 --> 01:05:38.110 I turn around thinking it's my son. 1158 01:05:38.730 --> 01:05:40.969 And I went, oh. 1159 01:05:41.329 --> 01:05:43.239 And I just went back. 1160 01:05:43.300 --> 01:05:45.420 And I was like, no, no, no. So he

got home. 1161 01:05:46.260 --> 01:05:49.199 Well, then, what is it, like a few days later 1162 01:05:49.219 --> 01:05:53.480 after that, he had took some toys from my son's 1163 01:05:53.579 --> 01:05:56.559 closet to take up there. Well, he had put them back. 1164 01:05:57.550 --> 01:05:59.849 So we go to talk about what we were eating. 1165 01:05:59.869 --> 01:06:00.809 I was putting my son to bed. 1166 01:06:00.849 --> 01:06:03.190 That's what it was. And also talking about his room. 1167 01:06:03.550 --> 01:06:05.230 I'm at the end of his bed. He's leaning against 1168 01:06:05.269 --> 01:06:09.449 the doorframe in my son's doorway. And you just hear 1169 01:06:09.469 --> 01:06:13.349 the click of the knob of his closet turn. 1170 01:06:13.690 --> 01:06:17.719 Oh, dear God. Oh, that would freak me out. 1171 01:06:17.739 --> 01:06:19.340 And my son was there. And at the time, he 1172 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:23.719 was four. So he looks. And we both took a 1173 01:06:23.739 --> 01:06:24.710 step back away from him. 1174 01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:25.679 We're like, nope. 1175 01:06:26.429 --> 01:06:28.550 And so he tried. 1176 01:06:28.289 --> 01:06:30.630 To, you know, use his dog tag as a pendulum 1177 01:06:30.650 --> 01:06:32.369 and asked if it wanted to go to life. 1178 01:06:32.389 --> 01:06:34.710 Cause he said he liked me. He was a little boy. 1179 01:06:35.070 --> 01:06:37.070 And I was like, can you use me to freaking 1180 01:06:37.090 --> 01:06:38.190 make this thing follow me? 1181 01:06:38.489 --> 01:06:40.610 I'm not okay with this. 1182 01:06:40.630 --> 01:06:40.949 Yeah. 1183 01:06:41.030 --> 01:06:41.570 Yep. 1184 01:06:41.610 --> 01:06:45.449 And he asked me if you want to go to life. 1185 01:06:45.710 --> 01:06:47.929 And he said, no. And he said, all right, you 1186 01:06:47.989 --> 01:06:51.239 got to leave now. Because once it's that, you don't 1187 01:06:51.260 --> 01:06:52.880 know what you're messing with a hundred percent. It's got 1188 01:06:52.889 --> 01:06:53.070 to go. 1189 01:06:53.659 --> 01:06:53.820 Yeah. 1190 01:06:54.309 --> 01:06:57.090 And that is so true. I mean, and that's the thing. 1191 01:06:57.190 --> 01:06:59.780 I do not, and we don't, we do not do this. 1192 01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:03.440 We do not provoke. We do not say, hey, you know, 1193 01:07:03.500 --> 01:07:05.719 you get out here and show yourself and all this 1194 01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:08.460 because at the end of the day, we really do 1195 01:07:08.539 --> 01:07:10.280 not know what we're dealing with and we could have 1196 01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:11.260 a tiger by the tail. 1197 01:07:12.139 --> 01:07:14.260 Yeah, you learn how to do that. I've learned how 1198 01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:15.170 to do it a couple times. 1199 01:07:15.190 --> 01:07:16.510 Yeah, people, yeah. I've learned the first. 1200 01:07:16.409 --> 01:07:20.349 Time that I learned a couple times after each time 1201 01:07:20.369 --> 01:07:21.070 I've learned. 1202 01:07:20.949 --> 01:07:21.210 How to do it. 1203 01:07:21.210 --> 01:07:24.480 I've had an experience at the Allen House where was 1204 01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:27.559 a big one for me from doing some provocation. 1205 01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:31.780 I was still very impressionable getting into the paranormal. 1206 01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:33.579 We weren't getting. 1207 01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.530 Anything all night, and I had my old digital camera, 1208 01:07:36.630 --> 01:07:39.150 and I was taking pictures, calling it out, and all 1209 01:07:39.190 --> 01:07:41.789 of a sudden I felt this presence just come up, 1210 01:07:41.989 --> 01:07:43.630 like someone rushing to want to hurt me. 1211 01:07:44.050 --> 01:07:47.090 And I felt the breath on my neck, and it 1212 01:07:47.130 --> 01:07:47.809 was a male. 1213 01:07:47.630 --> 01:07:48.289 Voice that goes, No! 1214 01:07:56.489 --> 01:07:56.889 What? 1215 01:07:59.750 --> 01:08:02.730 Oh, my goodness. I'm going to have to tell her 1216 01:08:02.769 --> 01:08:08.480 that you came tonight. That's crazy. I'm going to have 1217 01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:13.260 to ask her about that. On Marlon and Georgina, I 1218 01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:17.020 was just thinking about that. Her and I just stayed at. 1219 01:08:19.829 --> 01:08:21.810 Now, I can't remember the name of the bed and breakfast. 1220 01:08:22.010 --> 01:08:26.390 I want to say it's the Whisper Bed and Breakfast. 1221 01:08:26.430 --> 01:08:29.409 It's like, oh, golly, I wish I'll have to post 1222 01:08:29.449 --> 01:08:32.029 it because I think I did post it. We went 1223 01:08:32.050 --> 01:08:35.609 a couple weekends ago. Haunted as heck. She saw a 1224 01:08:35.630 --> 01:08:38.569 full body apparition. I saw a shadow person. And this 1225 01:08:38.649 --> 01:08:40.869 is another way if you want to kind of have 1226 01:08:40.890 --> 01:08:43.350 a more comfortable, fun way to ghost hunt is look 1227 01:08:43.390 --> 01:08:48.310 at haunted Airbnbs. And this one in Marlin, it's just 1228 01:08:48.350 --> 01:08:51.859 a few blocks away from the palace, and it's amazing. 1229 01:08:52.659 --> 01:08:57.670 Have you been to the Liberty Hotel in Cleveland? Yes, 1230 01:08:57.770 --> 01:08:58.409 that's where we. 1231 01:08:58.430 --> 01:08:59.930 That was the first cafe. 1232 01:09:00.220 --> 01:09:01.109 Initiation. 1233 01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:02.300 That was my initiation. 1234 01:09:02.460 --> 01:09:04.479 I couldn't figure out which room is. 1235 01:09:04.539 --> 01:09:06.600 It that they report to be haunted. 1236 01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:09.000 I've heard numerous things that there's things that happen throughout 1237 01:09:09.020 --> 01:09:11.260 the hotel, but I wouldn't want to try and book 1238 01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:13.239 the actual room that they report on this activity. 1239 01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:14.359 I'm not late. 1240 01:09:15.500 --> 01:09:16.750 I don't know. I. 1241 01:09:18.569 --> 01:09:19.970 I think the room that we. 1242

01:09:19.810 --> 01:09:22.689 Had the capital activity was the fourth floor. 1243 01:09:23.149 --> 01:09:25.720 It was the third or fourth. I can't remember. 1244 01:09:25.739 --> 01:09:30.020 At all, but that was the same room that. 1245 01:09:29.899 --> 01:09:33.260 We got the EVP of them wanting. 1246 01:09:33.060 --> 01:09:38.180 Me to leave. Yeah, that was an interesting story, too, 1247 01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:42.699 because we had a bigoted ghost. We have, you know, Allison, 1248 01:09:42.739 --> 01:09:47.109 who is... a beautiful Hispanic woman. But the ghost did 1249 01:09:47.149 --> 01:09:52.310 not appreciate her ethnicity and would not communicate if she 1250 01:09:52.329 --> 01:09:55.090 was in the room and we asked about that. And 1251 01:09:55.409 --> 01:09:58.449 it was pretty straightforward on, you know, no, we aren't 1252 01:09:58.470 --> 01:09:59.149 going to talk to her. 1253 01:10:00.020 --> 01:10:00.189 Yeah. 1254 01:10:00.819 --> 01:10:03.720 Are you ready for answers if you ask a question? 1255 01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:04.380 Yeah. 1256 01:10:04.579 --> 01:10:04.800 Yeah. 1257 01:10:05.539 --> 01:10:08.640 Ask, if you're in touch with Georgina, ask Georgina because 1258 01:10:08.779 --> 01:10:12.680 she is really, really familiar with the Liberty. And she's 1259 01:10:12.699 --> 01:10:15.810 the one that set up our ghost hunt and, and 1260 01:10:15.850 --> 01:10:19.050 she'll know exactly, she'll know exactly where the animal was. 1261 01:10:19.729 --> 01:10:22.069 So yeah, it's another great place to investigate and a 1262 01:10:22.130 --> 01:10:24.770 beautiful place to stay. It's very nice. 1263 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:27.520 Another question. 1264 01:10:27.619 --> 01:10:27.760 Yeah. 1265 01:10:27.779 --> 01:10:28.039 Sorry. 1266 01:10:28.100 --> 01:10:30.840 I just love talking to this. Um, what are your 1267 01:10:31.260 --> 01:10:34.659 thoughts with today's investigators? Most of today's investigators, a lot 1268 01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:37.619 of them are straight away from doing the actual logging 1269 01:10:38.369 --> 01:10:41.720 and the old school, um, hard way of investigating which 1270 01:10:41.939 --> 01:10:44.560 i find incredible a lot of them go by apps 1271 01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:47.920 and i don't even trust the obvious and the obvious 1272 01:10:47.939 --> 01:10:52.609 at all um s box only under very scrutinized like 1273 01:10:52.850 --> 01:10:55.609 analyzing it but a lot of them are basing their 1274 01:10:55.630 --> 01:10:58.770 stuff off apps and i don't agree with it because 1275 01:10:58.869 --> 01:11:02.729 of all the ai data tracking do you accept. 1276 01:11:02.590 --> 01:11:05.720 Any of that to be correct Yeah, you have to. Oh, 1277 01:11:05.750 --> 01:11:07.170 I'm glad you brought that up. You have to be 1278 01:11:07.229 --> 01:11:10.930 really careful, in my opinion. You're right. There are a 1279 01:11:10.989 --> 01:11:15.449 ton of apps out there. I totally discount the Ghost 1280 01:11:15.609 --> 01:11:18.140 Finder apps because at the end of the day, we 1281 01:11:18.149 --> 01:11:23.239 don't know what ghosts are yet. And so you can't 1282 01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:25.920 measure something that you don't know what it is yet. 1283 01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:30.560 The best we've got is changes in the environment, right? 1284 01:11:31.310 --> 01:11:36.369 When it comes to communication devices, yeah, the spirit boxes 1285 01:11:36.409 --> 01:11:40.909 that run through the radio stations really, really fast, we 1286 01:11:41.010 --> 01:11:47.210 use those sometimes because occasionally you'll get some good communication. 1287 01:11:47.250 --> 01:11:52.199 It's rare. I agree with you. I don't really trust 1288 01:11:52.260 --> 01:11:55.340 a lot of the apps like the Ovilus, especially the 1289 01:11:55.420 --> 01:12:00.079 ones with the word banks. I'm really suspicious of. 1290 01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:03.079 Yes, because it's. 1291 01:12:03.020 --> 01:12:07.539 Like you pre-program a bunch of spooky words and I'm 1292 01:12:07.579 --> 01:12:12.060 not exactly sure the mechanics behind how these words are 1293 01:12:12.100 --> 01:12:15.819 popping up. And I've written some of these companies and 1294 01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:18.500 asked them about that and I never get a straight answer. 1295 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:22.560 And it's kind of like, so I don't know if 1296 01:12:22.619 --> 01:12:26.539 this is legit or not. We use one called the 1297 01:12:26.579 --> 01:12:31.840 Necrophonic Um, which it sounds really just super creepy, but 1298 01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:35.239 it's just pieces and parts of words. They're more phonemes. 1299 01:12:36.220 --> 01:12:43.890 And so occasionally we will get really clear communication using the, 1300 01:12:44.430 --> 01:12:47.270 the necrophonic. I remember one time, this is another great 1301 01:12:47.329 --> 01:12:52.159 place to stay. Um, the old park hotel in, in Ballinger, 1302 01:12:52.340 --> 01:12:54.439 it's a little bit of a drive, but oh man, 1303 01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:58.159 is that place active? And I remember we were there 1304 01:12:58.340 --> 01:13:01.659 staying in late one night and I had the, the, uh, 1305 01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:05.810 necrophonic going. And most of the time it's really creepy sounding. 1306 01:13:05.890 --> 01:13:09.289 It's just kind of these noises, you know, and kind 1307 01:13:09.310 --> 01:13:14.590 of almost nonsense sounding. And I'm like, is there anybody 1308 01:13:14.630 --> 01:13:16.350 here that would like to speak to me? And I mean, 1309 01:13:16.529 --> 01:13:20.130 clear as day, this voice comes through and says, how 1310 01:13:20.149 --> 01:13:26.859 do I, how am I supposed to know? And I'm like, oh, Oh, okay. Um, yeah, 1311 01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:31.880 it was a whole sentence. And, and, you know, and so, um, 1312 01:13:32.060 --> 01:13:34.279 I'm like, and then it was like, after that, of course, 1313 01:13:34.819 --> 01:13:38.390 can you

help me? And I'm like, oh, okay. Okay. Um, 1314 01:13:38.510 --> 01:13:40.250 and so I'm like walking around the room, it's in 1315 01:13:40.270 --> 01:13:44.609 this bedroom and I'm, I'm walking over by the bed 1316 01:13:44.850 --> 01:13:46.739 and then I hear good night. And I'm like, no, 1317 01:13:46.770 --> 01:13:49.079 I'm not going to bed. I go, I'm trying to 1318 01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:51.500 find out where you are. You know, I'm looking around. 1319 01:13:52.140 --> 01:13:54.159 for you and then I didn't get you know anything 1320 01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:57.840 and then Georgina was there and I'm like hey I'm 1321 01:13:57.859 --> 01:14:00.479 getting a lot of really good communication with the necrophonic 1322 01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:05.720 and there was a card table there it had some 1323 01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:11.220 trigger objects and so this one it had playing cards 1324 01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:15.560 and poker chips and things like that and it was 1325 01:14:15.619 --> 01:14:19.520 really cool because she sat down and she played blackjack 1326 01:14:19.550 --> 01:14:24.590 with the ghost which was really fun to watch. And, um, 1327 01:14:24.789 --> 01:14:26.270 you know, and she's like, okay, why don't we just 1328 01:14:26.310 --> 01:14:29.930 play some blackjack? And, and, and it was like, hit 1329 01:14:29.970 --> 01:14:33.409 or stay, you know, hit or stay. And, and the 1330 01:14:33.430 --> 01:14:37.310 ghost was an absolutely terrible blackjack player. And, and so, 1331 01:14:37.409 --> 01:14:39.210 you know, and it's a hit and she'd be, are 1332 01:14:39.270 --> 01:14:39.710 you sure? 1333 01:14:39.729 --> 01:14:40.869 You know, hit. 1334 01:14:41.069 --> 01:14:41.350 Yeah. 1335 01:14:41.369 --> 01:14:41.729 Okay. 1336 01:14:41.750 --> 01:14:45.750 Okay. Um, and, and the ghost eventually lost and it would, 1337 01:14:45.869 --> 01:14:48.380 and you could hear it. It would go, ah, you know, 1338 01:14:48.479 --> 01:14:51.880 and it's like, like, oh darn, you know? And I mean, 1339 01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:55.380 it was just the craziest thing, but things like that 1340 01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:58.960 are rare. Um, so yeah, I stay away from the 1341 01:14:59.060 --> 01:15:01.880 ones with the word banks, but, uh, we, we do 1342 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:03.659 use the necrophonic pretty often. 1343 01:15:05.050 --> 01:15:05.250 Yeah. 1344 01:15:07.029 --> 01:15:10.010 Yeah, he does. Um, I do remember I used to 1345 01:15:10.050 --> 01:15:12.689 do downtown walking tours, um, And I would use the 1346 01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:15.100 necrophonic and we would go to the RT dentist parking 1347 01:15:15.140 --> 01:15:20.520 lot across the street from the Alaco. And the grackles 1348 01:15:20.619 --> 01:15:23.920 were out, you know, as they are in the evenings. 1349 01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:27.260 And I turned on the necrophonic and I was like, 1350 01:15:27.579 --> 01:15:29.300 is there anybody here that would like to speak to 1351 01:15:29.380

--> 01:15:32.090 us this evening? And I heard straight, just clear as 1352 01:15:32.130 --> 01:15:36.500 day in the necrophonic. the birds, the birds, you know? 1353 01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:38.500 And I'm like, yeah, I know. I know. 1354 01:15:38.659 --> 01:15:41.420 I'm sorry. Yeah. 1355 01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:45.939 It's like, I get it. I get it. Um, so yeah, 1356 01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:47.899 I say that take all of that with a grain 1357 01:15:47.939 --> 01:15:49.689 of salt. If you're going to use it. 1358 01:15:49.699 --> 01:15:51.819 Sorry. 1359 01:15:51.859 --> 01:15:54.890 Anyone else have a question? 1360 01:15:54.899 --> 01:15:55.100 Yeah. 1361 01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:55.979 Um, mediumship. 1362 01:15:56.989 --> 01:15:59.529 I hear a lot of people claiming today and from 1363 01:15:59.569 --> 01:16:03.130 doing my research from researching Harry Fry's. 1364 01:16:03.890 --> 01:16:04.109 Yeah. 1365 01:16:04.430 --> 01:16:04.989 Most definitely. 1366 01:16:05.029 --> 01:16:05.329 Yeah. 1367 01:16:05.869 --> 01:16:06.489 I've known some. 1368 01:16:32.710 --> 01:16:36.130 Some psychics that are actually, they're legit. We work with 1369 01:16:36.170 --> 01:16:39.050 an actual legit psychic. I'm not going to say who 1370 01:16:39.090 --> 01:16:41.630 this is because he does not want to be known 1371 01:16:42.229 --> 01:16:45.930 for his abilities, but he can go into places and 1372 01:16:46.010 --> 01:16:51.409 cold read like nobody's business. And we triangulate with like 1373 01:16:51.470 --> 01:16:56.149 documentation and historical information and witness testimony. And I mean, 1374 01:16:56.689 --> 01:17:02.380 the dude is spot on. Um, So, yes, psychic abilities 1375 01:17:02.460 --> 01:17:06.979 are 100% real. But I do think that there's a 1376 01:17:07.140 --> 01:17:09.079 lot of people out there that claim to have these 1377 01:17:09.100 --> 01:17:14.670 types of abilities that they're just not as psychic as 1378 01:17:14.729 --> 01:17:15.689 they think they are. 1379 01:17:15.930 --> 01:17:17.909 Do you ever test or do you have your own 1380 01:17:17.989 --> 01:17:19.729 set of tests that you do. 1381 01:17:19.770 --> 01:17:24.090 When you go into the field? I don't, but there 1382 01:17:24.350 --> 01:17:30.750 are actually organizations. I'm thinking the Monroe Institute. is one 1383 01:17:30.770 --> 01:17:35.770 that will actually test. The Rhine Research Center is another 1384 01:17:35.949 --> 01:17:42.670 one that will actually test people for psychic abilities scientifically. 1385 01:17:43.130 --> 01:17:48.579 When we bring a psychic into the field, we triangulate. 1386 01:17:49.260 --> 01:17:51.579 We just really try to triangulate. So we try to 1387 01:17:51.619 --> 01:17:55.399 get as much hard data from them as much as 1388 01:17:55.460 --> 01:18:00.109 possible that we can follow up on later. and and 1389 01:18:00.270 --> 01:18:03.369 and like i said we've got one legit psychic this 1390 01:18:03.409 --> 01:18:07.659 guy's

amazing and we've got some some people that are 1391 01:18:07.699 --> 01:18:11.640 very very sensitive allison being one and georgina being another 1392 01:18:12.619 --> 01:18:16.840 um so so yeah the abilities are real but i 1393 01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:19.489 think there's a lot of people out there that think 1394 01:18:19.890 --> 01:18:23.489 they're a little more psychic than they they truly are 1395 01:18:24.609 --> 01:18:25.810 but there's real ones too. 1396 01:18:25.909 --> 01:18:30.800 I will say the more you put yourself into haunted locations, 1397 01:18:30.899 --> 01:18:38.199 the more sensitive you become. Just because you're almost awakening 1398 01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:42.229 that kind of side of you in your body is 1399 01:18:42.229 --> 01:18:47.890 the best tool. I mean, anybody that's um served in 1400 01:18:47.949 --> 01:18:52.229 the military first responders they they tell you trust your 1401 01:18:52.289 --> 01:18:57.649 instincts same goes on paranormal investigations your body is the 1402 01:18:57.689 --> 01:18:59.569 best thing that's going to tell you when you're in 1403 01:18:59.590 --> 01:19:04.029 danger the more you put yourself on paranormal investigations your 1404 01:19:04.069 --> 01:19:06.960 gut's going to tell you oh this is not good 1405 01:19:07.619 --> 01:19:11.189 something's not right here or You know, you might be 1406 01:19:11.229 --> 01:19:13.050 talking to somebody and it's like, I get a good 1407 01:19:13.090 --> 01:19:16.810 vibe off of them. Ten minutes later, I don't like this. 1408 01:19:16.829 --> 01:19:22.369 It's the same thing. And I've experienced that firsthand with 1409 01:19:22.390 --> 01:19:25.869 my dad. My dad is a retired first responder. Took 1410 01:19:25.890 --> 01:19:29.560 him to a paranormal location and was able to get 1411 01:19:29.609 --> 01:19:30.350 answers from him. 1412 01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:32.180 So it happens. 1413 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:34.619 That's one of the first things we tell people when 1414 01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:38.239 we do our investigations too. Your body is with us. 1415 01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:41.819 You're You can have all the equipment, but sometimes that equipment. 1416 01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:44.250 Does nothing compared to what you can actually see. It's 1417 01:19:44.289 --> 01:19:47.449 like you talking about experiencing your goats, seeing your first goats. 1418 01:19:47.670 --> 01:19:48.789 I've been doing it for 10 years. 1419 01:19:48.869 --> 01:19:54.329 I've only seen one whole full-bodied apparition. And it was amazing, 1420 01:19:55.670 --> 01:19:57.270 but it's just so weird. 1421 01:19:57.890 --> 01:19:58.170 It is. 1422 01:19:58.670 --> 01:20:00.649 It's so weird, but awesome, and that's. 1423 01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:04.579 Where it comes with having everything documented, the two witnesses. 1424 01:20:04.979 --> 01:20:07.840 It builds more than just saying you've got a fluctuation on. 1425 01:20:08.430 --> 01:20:08.810 Yeah. 1426 01:20:09.569 --> 01:20:09.789 Yeah. 1427 01:20:10.250 --> 01:20:11.409 There's some differences there. 1428 01:20:11.430 --> 01:20:12.029 Yeah, absolutely. 1429 01:20:12.130 --> 01:20:12.430 Yeah. 1430 01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:36.439 Yes. 1431 01:20:36.460 --> 01:20:37.859 I don't want to keep you too long. 1432 01:20:38.060 --> 01:20:38.829 That's okay. 1433 01:20:39.350 --> 01:20:41.909 But one time, it's. 1434 01:20:41.829 --> 01:20:44.010 Going to come to a question. 1435 01:20:44.090 --> 01:20:47.289 But me and my co-worker were in here, backtracked that. 1436 01:20:47.310 --> 01:20:49.100 We used to find books on the floor in the 1437 01:20:49.109 --> 01:20:51.800 morning that weren't there because we obviously don't need. 1438 01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:53.359 Books on the floor. 1439 01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:54.300 Up here? 1440 01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:57.020 By the way, real quick, I hate to interrupt you. 1441 01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:01.460 The Waco escape rooms here, we have done an investigation 1442 01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:03.500 there in the past, and they were having haunt activity, 1443 01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:05.439 so I'm not surprised you have haunt activity here. 1444 01:21:05.859 --> 01:21:06.199 Go ahead. 1445 01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:06.739 Go ahead. 1446 01:21:07.239 --> 01:21:08.850 Specifically this shelf. 1447 01:21:09.909 --> 01:21:11.689 Books would be on the floor when we came in 1448 01:21:11.710 --> 01:21:13.409 in the mornings, and we jumped around, but we had 1449 01:21:13.430 --> 01:21:13.869 a ghost. 1450 01:21:14.569 --> 01:21:15.649 Yeah, that one. 1451 01:21:16.149 --> 01:21:21.289 Yeah, I saw a book fall off there. Oh. 1452 01:21:21.409 --> 01:21:24.810 So me and my coworker here one time, and we're 1453 01:21:24.829 --> 01:21:27.649 just talking. And he asked me how I would feel 1454 01:21:27.770 --> 01:21:29.729 if I saw a demon or a ghost or whatever. 1455 01:21:30.210 --> 01:21:32.470 And I was like, I wouldn't be scared. And he 1456 01:21:32.489 --> 01:21:33.250 was like, are you sure? 1457 01:21:33.350 --> 01:21:34.250 And I was like, yeah, no. 1458 01:21:34.310 --> 01:21:35.689 Demon can come with me right now. I'm not going 1459 01:21:35.710 --> 01:21:36.090 to be scared. 1460 01:21:37.050 --> 01:21:37.989 Jeez, I would. 1461 01:21:38.010 --> 01:21:39.970 I'd be terrified. 1462 01:21:39.989 --> 01:21:42.140 I just feel so spiritually protected. I feel like even 1463 01:21:42.180 --> 01:21:44.779 if I did see it, it can't touch me. So 1464 01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:48.220 that's just my thoughts on it. And this was two 1465 01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:50.159 hours before we closed. So I forgot we even had 1466 01:21:50.180 --> 01:21:53.439 this conversation. We shut off all the lights, ready to close. 1467 01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:55.140 And I realized I left my bag in the back. 1468 01:21:56.189 --> 01:21:58.710 So I go back there to grab my bag, and 1469 01:21:59.069 --> 01:22:01.130 I notice that the study room light is

still on. 1470 01:22:01.170 --> 01:22:02.170 So I was like, oh, let me go shut that 1471 01:22:02.229 --> 01:22:03.850 off real quick. Mind you, it's pitch black in here. 1472 01:22:04.710 --> 01:22:07.029 And as soon as I walked through the horror room 1473 01:22:07.050 --> 01:22:09.510 to the romance room, I saw a man standing in 1474 01:22:09.529 --> 01:22:13.329 front of the nonfiction section wearing a white shirt, no. 1475 01:22:12.949 --> 01:22:16.859 Hair, just standing there. And if you know where our nonfiction. 1476 01:22:16.409 --> 01:22:19.710 Section is, it's right around the corner. yeah he's just. 1477 01:22:19.550 --> 01:22:21.510 Standing there so i was like okay turn off the 1478 01:22:21.550 --> 01:22:23.489 light and go so i turn off the light and 1479 01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:25.220 i'm coming out and i'm telling him like i saw 1480 01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:26.800 something back there and he was like because you said 1481 01:22:26.819 --> 01:22:28.859 you wouldn't be scared and i was like i mean 1482 01:22:29.779 --> 01:22:32.640 i feel like i'm not scared it was pretty cool. 1483 01:22:32.180 --> 01:22:37.260 To see him yeah since then. 1484 01:22:37.220 --> 01:22:40.819 Um silverware has been thrown at me and another. 1485 01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:44.989 Co-worker named brie from the kitchen a fork got thrown 1486 01:22:45.010 --> 01:22:47.970 at me as I'm walking out and then the other 1487 01:22:48.010 --> 01:22:49.989 day she's working behind the bar and the whole couple 1488 01:22:50.069 --> 01:22:55.050 forks just gets knocked behind the bar what and so. 1489 01:22:56.489 --> 01:23:00.470 My question is would y'all ever be interested in doing something. 1490 01:23:00.329 --> 01:23:07.550 Here like any kind of yes no no I'm teasing 1491 01:23:07.770 --> 01:23:10.449 I'm teasing Allison's like wait a minute because you don't 1492 01:23:10.479 --> 01:23:14.430 want no no i'm teasing we would oh my gosh 1493 01:23:14.750 --> 01:23:15.789 yes we would love to. 1494 01:23:15.750 --> 01:23:18.489 Okay i would love to do that with y'all um. 1495 01:23:18.729 --> 01:23:21.800 I would love to yeah yeah i would like to know. 1496 01:23:21.619 --> 01:23:23.640 Any of this story but when you said that i 1497 01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:24.439 knew right. 1498 01:23:24.260 --> 01:23:26.380 Away you didn't know i saw the guy also oh 1499 01:23:26.460 --> 01:23:31.590 okay that book that book 10 out of 10 recommend 1500 01:23:31.729 --> 01:23:36.329 well i did the blind book statement And I got 1501 01:23:36.369 --> 01:23:36.949 the first one. 1502 01:23:36.970 --> 01:23:38.420 And so I was like, I want to know how much. 1503 01:23:38.310 --> 01:23:42.739 The second one is. And so I'm like, fuck, fuck, fuck. 1504 01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:45.279 He's already told me no books. I'm not going to 1505 01:23:45.319 --> 01:23:45.880 lie to you. 1506 01:23:46.500 --> 01:23:50.050 I finished both books in about like five days. 1507 01:23:50.529 --> 01:23:51.590 I'm not going to lie. 1508 01:23:51.789 --> 01:23:54.689 I sped through them so much. She put a trigger 1509 01:23:54.710 --> 01:23:59.979 warning on that, right? Yes. On the package before knowing 1510 01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:01.659 what it was, I was like, Mm-hmm. 1511 01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:02.640 I want that one. 1512 01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:05.260 Without spoiling, let me tell you, Zaddy is going to 1513 01:24:05.300 --> 01:24:06.420 be so great for you. 1514 01:24:07.100 --> 01:24:07.619 Oh, no. 1515 01:24:07.699 --> 01:24:08.600 Zaddy's great. 1516 01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:09.659 That's okay. 1517 01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:10.979 We're talking book stuff, too. 1518 01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:11.560 Yeah. 1519 01:24:12.550 --> 01:24:15.770 Yeah, of course. Yeah. I'm not surprised, number one. I'm 1520 01:24:15.789 --> 01:24:19.310 not surprised that there's activity here. And, yeah. And number two, yeah. 1521 01:24:19.750 --> 01:24:20.300 Call me. 1522 01:24:20.310 --> 01:24:20.649 Call me. 1523 01:24:23.649 --> 01:24:25.590 Oh, nice. We had to pick the lock to get 1524 01:24:25.609 --> 01:24:26.250 back into it. 1525 01:24:26.289 --> 01:24:27.649 And we thought somebody was in there. 1526 01:24:27.670 --> 01:24:28.470 We're like, oh, my God. 1527 01:24:28.510 --> 01:24:31.350 I hope somebody didn't pass out in there. 1528 01:24:31.409 --> 01:24:34.939 The door was locked, but nobody was in there. 1529 01:24:35.739 --> 01:24:38.460 You know, I think that you can pretty much stamp 1530 01:24:38.500 --> 01:24:42.600 a ghost over downtown Waco because there's so many businesses 1531 01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:48.420 that are haunted or have haunt activity. We're getting ready 1532 01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:50.689 to go to another business. I'm not going to say 1533 01:24:50.779 --> 01:24:55.060 who they are. They prefer to be. private, but another 1534 01:24:55.140 --> 01:25:01.989 one downtown this weekend that has been having activity. Like 1535 01:25:02.029 --> 01:25:05.630 I said, we've investigated, this was years ago, the escape 1536 01:25:05.689 --> 01:25:11.270 rooms a couple doors down. The Hippodrome, very haunted. 1537 01:25:12.210 --> 01:25:12.630 The R.T. 1538 01:25:12.670 --> 01:25:15.850 Dennis parking lot across from the Alico, very haunted. The Alico, 1539 01:25:15.899 --> 01:25:20.300 very haunted. I am not surprised that this little strip 1540 01:25:21.369 --> 01:25:27.270 of historic buildings here has, has activity. Um, my theory 1541 01:25:27.329 --> 01:25:29.430 is a lot of that comes from the energy from 1542 01:25:29.529 --> 01:25:35.970 the tornado, but I don't know for certain. So that's 1543 01:25:36.029 --> 01:25:37.109 kind of boring. 1544 01:25:37.130 --> 01:25:37.470 Yeah. 1545 01:25:37.649 --> 01:25:37.989 Yeah. 1546 01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:53.600 Can I ask you a hard question? 1547 01:25:54.039 --> 01:25:54.800 Uh-huh. 1548 01:25:54.899 --> 01:25:56.000 Okay. 1549 01:25:56.510 --> 01:26:03.810 It's hard. It's not

hard for Christians. Uh-huh. Because you mentioned. 1550 01:26:03.569 --> 01:26:06.489 Something that hit the nail on the head earlier, talking 1551 01:26:06.529 --> 01:26:10.189 about being fascinated in some way. I grew up not 1552 01:26:10.210 --> 01:26:15.390 with a heavy Christian household, but grew up around people 1553 01:26:15.430 --> 01:26:19.199 where they kind of shunned paranormal investigation because of it. 1554 01:26:20.170 --> 01:26:26.979 How do you explain that to people? 1555 01:26:27.439 --> 01:26:29.920 Because our paranormal group is more Christian-based. 1556 01:26:30.180 --> 01:26:33.619 We consider ours Christian-based. And then you have people say 1557 01:26:33.649 --> 01:26:35.850 there's no way you can have Christianity tied to. 1558 01:26:35.869 --> 01:26:36.590 It at all. 1559 01:26:36.710 --> 01:26:37.329 Oh boy, oh boy. 1560 01:26:37.659 --> 01:26:39.239 Boy, oh boy. 1561 01:26:39.270 --> 01:26:42.630 Yeah, we have a whole episode on that. Hmm. 1562 01:26:43.189 --> 01:26:45.630 I can think of at least two people. 1563 01:26:45.649 --> 01:26:45.890 Yeah. 1564 01:26:45.930 --> 01:26:48.649 Yes. Yeah, I get actually get that question a lot. 1565 01:26:48.689 --> 01:26:52.069 I am an instructor at Baylor and I am very open. 1566 01:27:07.590 --> 01:27:11.600 About what I do. And, and in fact, um, to 1567 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:14.539 their credit, they're, they're very curious. I mean, they, they 1568 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:19.300 do interviews with me and stuff. And so, um, and I, I'm, 1569 01:27:19.539 --> 01:27:21.260 I'm straight up honest to say, I do not see 1570 01:27:21.300 --> 01:27:25.649 a conflict with this at all. Um, Christianity is a 1571 01:27:25.779 --> 01:27:29.310 mystical religion. It is a paranormal religion. We worship the 1572 01:27:29.369 --> 01:27:36.079 Holy ghost. Um, and I, I, Just yes. Do I 1573 01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:40.180 believe in a spiritual world? Absolutely. Um, do I believe there, 1574 01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:44.310 you know, good spirits like angels and bad spirits like demons? 1575 01:27:44.550 --> 01:27:45.149 Absolutely. 1576 01:27:45.569 --> 01:27:48.310 Do I want anything to do with the demonic? Absolutely not. Um, 1577 01:27:49.590 --> 01:27:55.359 but I think that where Christians get hung up is 1578 01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:58.859 in that idea is so prevalent in the church of 1579 01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:03.300 absent from the body present with the Lord. You can't 1580 01:28:03.659 --> 01:28:09.380 have anything else other than a demon or an angel, 1581 01:28:09.899 --> 01:28:14.010 you know, that is a spiritual being here on earth 1582 01:28:14.590 --> 01:28:19.310 interacting with people. And it's like, that's a big jump. 1583 01:28:19.390 --> 01:28:23.630 That's a big assumption. There's so much about the spiritual 1584 01:28:23.670 --> 01:28:25.409 world that we just don't know. 1585 01:28:25.489 --> 01:28:25.989 And you're right. 1586 01:28:26.300 --> 01:28:32.569 The Bible talks a lot about like divining people. And, 1587 01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:36.220 you know, when the disciples saw Jesus on the Lake 1588 01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:40.399 Galilee in the storm, they thought it was a ghost. Um, there's, 1589 01:28:40.640 --> 01:28:44.460 you know, the Saul visiting the medium and yeah, the 1590 01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:48.149 witch event or Samuel coming forth the, yeah. And so 1591 01:28:49.250 --> 01:28:53.409 there's a lot we don't know, but I say if 1592 01:28:53.430 --> 01:29:01.359 a terrible nasty demonic spirit decides to show up then 1593 01:29:01.420 --> 01:29:04.720 yes who better than somebody that is protected by god 1594 01:29:04.739 --> 01:29:08.319 and and that's kind of the way i look at 1595 01:29:08.340 --> 01:29:10.079 it you want to weigh in on that. 1596 01:29:10.239 --> 01:29:15.020 For me so i i am a christian um i 1597 01:29:15.079 --> 01:29:19.100 always say number one is have some kind of faith 1598 01:29:19.310 --> 01:29:23.659 i don't care what that religion is have something that 1599 01:29:23.699 --> 01:29:26.159 protects you as a person, especially if you're going to 1600 01:29:26.189 --> 01:29:32.069 be investigating. It's something, some form of protection because you 1601 01:29:32.109 --> 01:29:37.010 don't know what you're dealing with. I just think that 1602 01:29:38.470 --> 01:29:42.069 I'm a little bit more open-minded. I do take into 1603 01:29:42.100 --> 01:29:46.979 account that there are other religions, other rituals that might 1604 01:29:47.020 --> 01:29:51.279 be taking place. You look at Native Americans, they believe 1605 01:29:51.500 --> 01:29:55.310 in the energy. So that, that might be playing a 1606 01:29:55.800 --> 01:29:59.500 part into what's going on. Um, but for me and 1607 01:29:59.539 --> 01:30:04.380 my belief system, it's God, Christianity. It's, but I have 1608 01:30:04.420 --> 01:30:06.899 to be okay with the fact that there are other 1609 01:30:07.020 --> 01:30:10.590 people that believe in other things that might be playing. 1610 01:30:10.649 --> 01:30:12.989 Cause you look at native American culture, you have. 1611 01:30:12.970 --> 01:30:17.890 Elementals and that might be a thing that you're dealing with. 1612 01:30:18.130 --> 01:30:22.920 And you know, those elementals, you have to, almost curate 1613 01:30:23.159 --> 01:30:28.539 to them you have to peace offerings um whatever ritual 1614 01:30:28.739 --> 01:30:35.590 that to that um specific tribe whereas christianity like that's 1615 01:30:35.630 --> 01:30:41.670 not going to work like praying and saying yeah yeah. 1616 01:30:42.289 --> 01:30:45.789 That is something that's how we do we we tend 1617 01:30:45.829 --> 01:30:48.880 to teach just kind of when you're going through a home. 1618 01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:52.119 Or location look at what practice that they do or 1619 01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:56.960 love them that's been dictated not the crime scene investigation 1620 01:30:57.220 -->

01:30:59.579 look for all the true objects that. 1621 01:30:59.229 --> 01:31:02.210 Can be and I think people who think this stuff 1622 01:31:02.229 --> 01:31:04.250 is fun because I feel like on YouTube and stuff 1623 01:31:04.289 --> 01:31:05.789 they see things and they're like oh I want to 1624 01:31:05.810 --> 01:31:08.170 try that but as he told me when I started 1625 01:31:08.210 --> 01:31:10.390 he goes I want to make sure you want to 1626 01:31:10.409 --> 01:31:12.609 do this or start doing this because once that door 1627 01:31:12.850 --> 01:31:14.949 opens you cannot. 1628 01:31:14.380 --> 01:31:19.699 Ever shut it no that's good advice you will never 1629 01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:21.239 yeah I. 1630 01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:25.159 Struggle with the whole Christianity thing for the longest time. 1631 01:31:25.460 --> 01:31:27.350 So I want to get you all to talk to 1632 01:31:27.449 --> 01:31:30.689 other investigators, especially another who's a Christian. 1633 01:31:32.909 --> 01:31:36.609 I just tell them, I said, I don't use mediums 1634 01:31:36.689 --> 01:31:39.649 on investigations. I like to test them and kind of 1635 01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:40.739 see as. 1636 01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:44.020 An experiment and scientific method, not as I'm going to 1637 01:31:44.140 --> 01:31:48.060 use your senses and guidance from a personal game or 1638 01:31:48.100 --> 01:31:49.000 anything like that. 1639 01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:51.819 But, uh, I respect them all mutually. 1640 01:31:53.300 --> 01:31:53.500 Yeah. 1641 01:31:54.060 --> 01:31:58.420 I do think that there are benefits and pluses to 1642 01:31:58.579 --> 01:32:03.239 using them, but there are definitely, it's like what Cindy 1643 01:32:03.279 --> 01:32:07.310 was saying. You have to triangulate. You can't just strictly 1644 01:32:07.390 --> 01:32:09.069 go based off of what they're saying. 1645 01:32:09.510 --> 01:32:11.489 It's history. 1646 01:32:11.829 --> 01:32:15.510 What other data are we getting? They're just one piece 1647 01:32:15.689 --> 01:32:16.329 of the puzzle. 1648 01:32:17.850 --> 01:32:26.529 Um, And, you know, they do. 1649 01:32:27.350 --> 01:32:29.949 Well, and I mean, even if, you know, if you're 1650 01:32:29.989 --> 01:32:31.909 going to go to a meeting, I don't, you know, 1651 01:32:31.930 --> 01:32:35.260 a medium for like a tarot reading or you're looking 1652 01:32:35.300 --> 01:32:37.979 to them for guidance or whatever, it's kind of like, 1653 01:32:38.779 --> 01:32:43.640 you know, you need to discern what power they're drawing from. 1654 01:32:43.659 --> 01:32:48.819 I mean, What the source is. What is the source? 1655 01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:54.810 Because our psychic in our group is a very devout Christian. 1656 01:32:55.449 --> 01:32:56.729 He's a very devout Christian man. 1657 01:32:57.829 --> 01:32:58.350 Right, right. 1658 01:32:58.369 --> 01:32:58.569 Right. 1659 01:33:14.310 --> 01:33:20.090 I've heard that too and and they're gonna. 1660 01:33:18.789 --> 01:33:23.649 I I tend to not believe. 1661 01:33:23.380 --> 01:33:29.600 That EVPs are a source of of divination. 1662 01:33:44.130 --> 01:33:46.250 Yeah, it's just something in the environment. And I mean, 1663 01:33:47.649 --> 01:33:51.899 we are communicating with something. I mean, we've had too 1664 01:33:51.909 --> 01:33:56.420 many weird experiences to say that this is just a fluke. 1665 01:33:57.140 --> 01:34:00.079 We're communicating with something. And all I look at that 1666 01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:03.880 and just say, be careful, protect yourself, like what Allison 1667 01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:09.359 was saying, protect yourself and, you know, be wary. It 1668 01:34:09.399 --> 01:34:12.560 may be innocent. It may be harmless. It may not. 1669 01:34:13.539 --> 01:34:17.720 And so just be careful. That's kind of what I. 1670 01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:19.319 I'm sorry about your question. 1671 01:34:19.340 --> 01:34:19.960 No, you're good. 1672 01:34:20.300 --> 01:34:23.760 And I will say, I've had personal experience with that. 1673 01:34:23.960 --> 01:34:28.050 My brother is actually currently living in my childhood home. 1674 01:34:30.270 --> 01:34:33.670 And there have been times to where I'll just walk 1675 01:34:33.729 --> 01:34:37.250 up to him. And he's a very typical Bible Belt 1676 01:34:37.829 --> 01:34:42.350 Baptist man. I'll just say something out of nowhere. And 1677 01:34:43.949 --> 01:34:47.409 A few days later, sure enough, it happens. And there 1678 01:34:47.430 --> 01:34:50.109 are things that even he'll question. He's like, how did 1679 01:34:50.130 --> 01:34:52.430 you know that when we were kids? Like this and that. 1680 01:34:52.449 --> 01:34:55.109 And I'm like, and he'll bring up those same Bible verses. 1681 01:34:55.130 --> 01:34:57.550 And I'm like, listen, I don't know. 1682 01:34:57.569 --> 01:35:01.609 I just said what I said. It's one of those 1683 01:35:01.670 --> 01:35:02.689 things that I heard. 1684 01:35:02.710 --> 01:35:03.949 I listened. 1685 01:35:04.409 --> 01:35:07.489 I just said it. I'm just, it's almost like painting. 1686 01:35:08.270 --> 01:35:10.369 I'm just the canvas that showed it. 1687 01:35:11.449 --> 01:35:14.909 That's also where the paranormal, I've actually helped people to 1688 01:35:14.930 --> 01:35:18.390 actually find some sort of faith by showing them video 1689 01:35:18.449 --> 01:35:22.409 footage and audio. That something there is that you can't explain. 1690 01:35:22.569 --> 01:35:25.930 And you can try to figure it out. But there's 1691 01:35:25.970 --> 01:35:27.989 definitely something spiritual. 1692 01:35:27.390 --> 01:35:31.069 Or something that apparently goes on. So that gets our brain. 1693 01:35:31.090 --> 01:35:35.970 My sister was just completely nothing. I took her to 1694 01:35:35.989 --> 01:35:39.329 a couple locations. I didn't, like, she can't. 1695 01:35:39.170 --> 01:35:40.149 Explain to me what it's all like. 1696 01:35:45.130 --> 01:35:49.050 Yeah weird stuff happens and and it's like you got 1697 01:35:49.069 --> 01:35:51.850 to be careful putting god in a box because and 1698 01:35:51.890 --> 01:35:53.649 like i tell people we live in a strange and 1699 01:35:53.689 --> 01:35:56.069 mysterious world and there's a lot that we don't know 1700 01:35:57.289 --> 01:36:00.529 and and be careful but be curious there's nothing wrong 1701 01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:04.340 with being curious just be careful so. 1702 01:36:06.279 --> 01:36:07.479 She came back real fast. 1703 01:36:07.880 --> 01:36:09.079 I did all I see. Yeah, it's like. 1704 01:36:09.140 --> 01:36:11.579 I was back there putting up all the candles and 1705 01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:13.779 swear to you, one of them started rocking on the wall. 1706 01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:17.439 And so I was like, I went out and saw 1707 01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:18.600 her sitting there. 1708 01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:19.920 And I was like, oh my. 1709 01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:24.149 God, you scared me. I was leaving. You're still teaching. 1710 01:36:32.789 --> 01:36:37.399 I don't right now. I did. I taught paranormal investigation 1711 01:36:37.439 --> 01:36:40.880 classes at MCC. I have one on Udemy. 1712 01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:43.840 Is that the para-learning? 1713 01:36:44.119 --> 01:36:51.300 Yeah, it's basically parapsychology for ghost hunters. I've seen that 1714 01:36:51.579 --> 01:36:52.579 one on Udemy. 1715 01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:54.779 I did one also through para-learning.com. 1716 01:36:54.800 --> 01:37:00.810 Okay, yeah. Mine's on Udemy. Okay, well, we should probably 1717 01:37:00.829 --> 01:37:03.949 wrap it up here. This is good. All right, everybody, 1718 01:37:04.010 --> 01:37:08.029 thanks for listening in, and we'll see you next time. 1719 01:37:08.050 --> 01:37:09.109 I'm signing out. 1720 01:37:10.010 --> 01:37:10.310 Bye. 1721 01:37:10.329 --> 01:37:10.399 Bye. 1722 01:37:14.069 --> 01:37:18.199 This has been Spooky, a paranormal podcast. We hope today's 1723 01:37:18.300 --> 01:37:21.840 episode sent shivers down your spine and sparked your curiosity 1724 01:37:21.899 --> 01:37:25.479 about all things ghostly. If you've enjoyed what you've heard, 1725 01:37:25.819 --> 01:37:28.489 don't forget to subscribe and leave a review on your 1726 01:37:28.529 --> 01:37:32.550 favorite podcast platforms. You can also catch us on Facebook 1727 01:37:32.710 --> 01:37:37.640 and Instagram. Until next time, stay curious, stay vigilant, and 1728 01:37:37.739 --> 01:37:40.069 never be afraid to explore the shadows.