Full Transcript for Insecure & Challengers (with Eteng Ettah)

definitely leading with in the marketing, and so I was like, okay, I'm it was like in the trailer, uh and and just in general, I there was so much buzz leading up to the movie coming out. 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:32.240 Like, my God, yes, it's gonna be a thruple movie with Cindya, yes, yes, thruples, yearning, all that good stuff. 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:46.399 Um, I remember seeing it in a theater and really enjoying, you know, we love a good crowd where everyone's like buzzy, but nobody is, you know, we we're still here to like watch the movie, so no one's being too obnoxious. 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:54.639 But I knew pretty right away, like once we get into this scene, I'm like surrounded by the right group of people that I'd want to experience this with. 00:05:54.800 --> 00:06:01.519 But so when we get to that scene, and it's pretty early on in the film, I love how the film is playing around with time. 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:07.360 So this is a flashback to kind of the early stages where the three of these characters meet. 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:11.439 And so Zendaya is, and they're all tennis players. 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:28.959 She in particular is like, you know, particularly destined for greatness in a way, and so she's coming into this already having a lot of power in terms of you know the trajectory of her career, which obviously, when you watch the film, you see how that that plays out. 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:41.040 Um, but then she has these two boys who are really intrigued by her, they've got some fun, like competitive energy, obviously on the court, and both are kind of vying for her attention. 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:48.959 And so after a sort of like party that they all go to, they end up in Zendaya's hotel room. 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:55.680 Um and they obviously start to make out, which is fun. 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:56.639 Um, yeah. 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:18.639 What I love about it is that she's very much in the driver's seat throughout, and I'm always thinking about, or I always really appreciate depictions of women and young girls like in the driver's seat when it comes to intimacy, since we know um folks are often socialized to be a bit more passive in that area. 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:28.560 So I really loved how dominant she is in that scene, and that the scene is very much a microcosm for the dynamic between the three of us throughout the film. 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:36.560 Yeah, yeah, and obviously, this is why we love analyzing kisses because it's not just the kiss, it's saying a lot in the dynamic. 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:39.839 It's not gratuitous, we're actually learning a lot, exactly. 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:57.439 Like, I love in that scene how like Josh O'Connor plays Patrick, who's like the more confident like player type, and Mike Feist is playing Art, who's a little bit more reserved, reserved, nervous with women. 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:12.160 And so when Zendaya g gets up to sit on the bed, she like motions for

them to join her, and immediately Patrick runs up to the bed, and Art's like, okay, I'll follow, you know, and it's like that's exactly their dynamic. 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:12.800 Yes. 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:28.399 Um, and then she is so aware of it too because she um teases Patrick that she's gonna kiss him first, and then turns her head and kisses Art first, which I thought was so funny. 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:38.639 Like she knows, like she knows how to um upend their statuses at any moment and play with both of them in that way. 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:46.159 It's like it's very masterful, it's very honestly, honestly, it's very inspired. 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:47.519 Yes, definitely. 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:51.759 Okay, so when I am in a three-way kit, this is what I need to do. 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:54.960 Exactly, exactly. 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:56.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:59.039 But it's so you go ahead, please. 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:06.799 Well, I was just gonna say, you know, what you were just saying about the ways that the two guys join her on the bed. 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:18.000 It's really great characterization of like everything that they do and how they move is is very real and is is revealing a bit more about their characters that we may not realize. 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:35.679 So there's a lot of subtle details like that, and especially, you know, obviously with kissing, there's not always that much talking, and so you know, there's a lot of really great work or insight that we're getting from their body language and and how they're reacting to, you know, her her being in charge in this way. 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:36.799 Yeah. 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:53.440 And and she sort of gets them to all three kiss and then they kind of notice that she's trying to get the two of them to kiss without her, and first they back away like we're not gonna do that, we're not those kind of guys. 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:54.399 No. 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:59.600 Um, and then she sort of lures them back in. 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:11.279 So they are kissing all three of them for a while, and then next thing you know, it's the two guys again, and now they're sort of more like, Okay, we'll play this game. 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:27.759 Yeah, but also there's some there's some sexual tension between the two of them that is unaddressed, and sh I love how it like there's a shot of her leaning back and watching them, and there's this sort of look in her eye like I knew it. 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:34.240 It's so fun, it's so fun, yes, yeah. 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:57.440 I mean, that scene, again, because it comes so early in the film, is doing so much foreshadowing, and so yeah, it's like there's so there's so many dynamics here at play, but yeah, it is interesting the moment where they come back together and start kissing each other, and there's tons of different scenes later in the movie

where that kind of like reconfirm or continue to pique your interest of like okay, we're gonna be able to do that. 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:01.679 Yes, the churro scene is a big one. 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:02.879 Big one. 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:10.960 Um in general, what I love about this movie is like like I think about a lot of the movies I've seen in the last five years, probably. 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:22.080 There have been several movies with like actual explicit sex scenes in them that don't have the level of eroticism that this movie has. 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:34.159 And this movie there are like sex scenes in the sense that it's like the beginning or the end of like before or after, but we're not really seeing much. 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:45.679 And I I just think I hats off to Luca Guadanino, the director, for managing to make such an erotic sexual movie without needing to go there. 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:52.799 Um so yeah, I just think that that artistry is is worth mentioning. 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:53.600 Absolutely. 00:11:54.399 --> 00:12:10.960 Also, there was like an interesting interview with Zendaya where she um said, you know, people call it a three-way kiss, but she was like, it's more like a fourth or fifth-way kiss because there were multiple cameras in the room and it demanded so much choreography. 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:18.639 Like they had to time everything, yes, all their movements properly for the cameras to get the angles that they needed. 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:25.519 Like I can't the choreography required to pull this off is it's incredible. 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:32.480 Makes it less sexy to think about, but also like that's hard what they had to do. 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:55.200 Yeah, I mean, yeah, no, so much respect to the craft for everything from like the acting to the writing, especially what she was saying earlier about um being able to bring in this eroticism in a way where you know there's there are you know brief scenes of nudity, but like eroticism can look, yeah, it can look very different. 00:12:55.279 --> 00:13:02.320 There isn't one way to kind of create and sustain that sexual tension in the ways that we kind of pick up on that as a viewer. 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:08.000 And I love that interview you're referencing of Zendaya being like, there's so many people in here. 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:14.399 If I don't, if I took like two seconds longer to move out of the way, I'm about to get hit in the face with a camera. 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:16.799 It's it's um, yeah. 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.639 I mean, the level of the of professionalism is is really great. 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:42.720 And it's the reason why I, you know, I eat up all the behind the scenes, and I'm like, I I love diving into that and like hearing more about what it takes to create that because you don't feel the sense that there are like so many different people in this room, and it's just like the way these actors are are locking in is is very, very impressive to me. 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:44.080 Absolutely. 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.440 Ugh, what a great movie! What a great scene! So good. 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:49.679 Um, I have one last question for you. 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:50.720 Absolutely. 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:54.960 Who would you pick of art and um Patrick? 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:55.840 Which one would you pick? 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:02.879 Yeah, I think you have to, right. 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:04.879 That's that's the point of the movie. 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:06.320 You actually can have both of them. 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:10.320 I would I would definitely choose art. 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:19.679 Um, I feel like he to me just displays more characteristics that I think lend themselves better to like a long-term partnership. 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:22.879 I do think Patrick seems like a very fun time. 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:33.440 So if I could um get Patrick first and then we settle down with art after, because he's uh Patrick is for sure a fun time guy. 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:40.480 Um but um yeah, this the stability piece, uh not as much with Patrick. 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:42.240 So I would I would choose art. 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:44.159 Okay, okay. 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:49.840 I I ultimately agree with you, although I'm more physically attracted to Patrick. 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.399 Yeah, it's a fun time guy. 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:53.679 It's a fun time guy. 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:56.559 Good attribute of a fun time guy, for sure. 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:58.480 A physical attraction. 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:12.799 Yeah, um yeah, but ultimately my hope and belief is that at the end of the movie after the tennis match, they all got together and and moved into a house together. 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.360 Or maybe maybe Patrick was in the guest house. 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:16.799 Guest house, yes. 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:18.480 And they all just hung out. 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:21.120 They were just a lovely little thruple family. 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:23.360 Yeah, it's my hope and and prayer. 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:50.399 Yeah, I think I think Challengers 2 gets into that because yeah, it's clear that these three, you know, can figure out this dynamic, and and I'm excited about what other thrues might be inspired by the fact that yeah, right, he's got a guest house or a separate wing, and then you know, he can it can join them um in their their master bedroom whenever the time calls. 00:15:50.639 --> 00:16:00.000 So well, I'm so glad we got to talk about the scene because this is truly like one of like I say this podcast is about the most iconic kissing scenes. 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:02.320 I mean, this is like one of the top ten, I would say. 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:06.000 Yeah, definitely in recent pop culture for sure. 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:07.279 For sure. 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:12.399 Um, well, but let's move on to uh personal kissing

stories. 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:13.279 Yes, let's do it. 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:14.720 Personal kissing story time. 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:19.840 Um, do you know which story uh which story you'd like to tell? 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:21.679 Best, worst, or first kiss? 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:23.279 We're gonna go first. 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:25.600 Okay, exciting. 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:28.480 All right, so yes, I'll set the scene. 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:33.360 I'm maybe 12 or 13 at this point. 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:34.320 Okay, cute. 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:39.440 So um it's like my eighth grade graduation time. 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:48.000 And so there was this guy who um we liked each other, we both had a crush on each other. 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:49.919 Um, some quick foreshadowing. 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:55.279 I would end up going to prom with him a couple years later after this first kiss. 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:58.000 Um, so he's he's kind of like a guest star. 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:01.360 Like he, you know, comes back a couple seasons later. 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:03.759 Like in Gilmore Girls, he comes back. 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:05.279 He comes back. 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:23.519 Um and uh so at that point I had gone to a pretty small school, and it was becoming clear to me that like this is gonna be the last time, and it was maybe like 28 or 30 of us, so like really small, tight-knit group of kids. 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:33.119 And so I was like, oh, this is gonna be kind of the last time it is gonna feel like this, since we're all now going off to different high schools and all of that good stuff. 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:53.039 So I was definitely feeling a like a little bit of a sense of urgency of like, if if you want to have this kiss with this person, you probably want to do this before you all graduate, and then you're like not sure how to reconnect and stuff like this, and you know, to age myself. 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:59.440 Uh I'm a proud millennial, but like social media wasn't what it looked like back then. 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:04.480 So, like you could, you know, it it's a very real scenario of like losing touchdowns. 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:09.039 He wasn't in your MySpace, like you maybe would never see each other again. 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:10.000 Exactly. 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:18.000 So was very aware that, like, okay, we're in a little bit of what felt like a now or never situation, and so it was a little planned. 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:20.480 So I think it was it was probably my idea. 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:23.039 He's a little bit more reserved than me. 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:28.559 And I was like, hey, well, what if we meet in the basement of our church? 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:32.559 And so in the basement is kind of where in church basement. 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:33.599 I love that. 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:40.720 Whenever, you know, you would go to church upstairs, and then they'd have like fellowship and food and stuff like that. 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:41.599 Yes, yeah. 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:57.680 Um, but yeah, so we were either in some sort of rehearsal for this graduation, but we really timed it well of like, okay, we've got maybe a 10 to 15 minute window where we're like breaking, or people might not notice that we both are gone. 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:04.880 And so we were like, okay, let's meet by this stairwell, by this particular entrance in the basement. 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:23.680 Um, and then we meet, and we're both kind of nervous, and then we're like, okay, let's again the clock is literally so many different clocks are ticking from like we're about to graduate to like we only have like 10 minutes before somebody notices, like, hey, where there's four clocks in this basement. 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:25.039 No, for real, for real. 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:29.599 Um, yeah, so time is of the essence. 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.359 So we kiss, it's a very sweet peck. 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:46.480 Um and at that point, um, whenever I would like see my parents or or other married people, I would notice, you know, that's how they would kind of say goodbye to each other as they would leave. 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:57.920 And so no matter how busy I'd see all these different married couples, they would still take the time to be like, okay, I only have two seconds, but I want to, you know, do this uh display of affection here. 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:15.359 And so I was like, oh, well, this seems like the type of kiss that people do, one when they're pressed for time, which we are definitely um, but also there, you know, there's like a genuineness um to it of like it still feels important for us to have this moment, even if it's a shorter one. 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:19.359 So, and you know, logistically it's it's pretty simple. 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:22.720 You don't have to figure out the tongues and all of that. 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:23.680 Yeah, yeah. 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:26.000 Um, so it was a little first kiss. 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:32.000 Yeah, maybe a like five to ten second peck or something like that. 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:33.200 That's solid. 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:35.200 That's really cute. 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:38.400 I love that very very wholesome, very, very wholesome. 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:40.079 Aw. 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:43.119 Well, that's super cute. 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:48.720 I also I also had my first kiss in eighth grade towards the end of the year, so we have that in common. 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:50.480 Good year to do it. 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:51.680 Good year, yeah. 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:53.599 And again, it's like a quick peck. 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:55.359 I think it's a good entry point. 00:20:55.839 --> 00:21:01.839 Um just get one over the lay of the land first before you dive in, before you dive in. 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:05.680 Because as I've said in the past, I'm a tongue minimalist in general.

00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:06.559 Oh, okay. 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.440 And I just feel like, especially with the first kiss, like, just give it a second. 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:13.680 Like, there's no need to start tongue first. 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:14.720 Okay, guys. 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:15.920 Like, real it is. 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:17.200 Literally, real it is. 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:18.319 Literally, real it is. 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:19.359 Real it is. 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:20.400 Yeah. 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:23.839 You wanna you wanna have an abundant mindset when it comes to kissing? 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:26.240 Like, there will be many opportunities. 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:29.279 Another opportunity to try out different things. 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:29.759 Yes. 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:30.880 This is so true. 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:31.359 Yeah. 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.759 Hey, it's Lena here with a podcast rec for you to check out. 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:44.720 It's called This Week in Fandom History. 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:48.720 Now, it's not news that fanfiction seems to be everywhere. 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:56.400 Suddenly, everyone and their mother's talking about fanfic, but a lot of people are getting everything about fandom plain wrong. 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:59.680 This week in fandom history can fix that for you and turn. 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:02.880 Turn you into a lore expert for your next party. 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:15.759 Hosted by the hilarious and insightful Arrow and Emily J, this week in Phantom History gets deep into the who, what, and why behind fandom culture's highest highs and writest lows. 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:23.519 If you've ever wanted to know the lore behind some of our favorite shows and movie fandoms, V and Emily have it covered. 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:34.480 They've got super interesting breakdowns in Twilight fan culture, Zena the Warrior Princess Slash Vic, and the countless pairings from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:38.240 V and Emily live on the internet so you don't have to. 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:39.039 The result? 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:42.160 The fandom context mainstream media misses. 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:46.720 Listen to this week in fandom history, right where you're listening to us. 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:56.000 Well, a tang, are you ready to get to the Smooch Deep Dive? 00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:58.480 The juice, the juice of it, absolutely. 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:01.920 I'm so excited to talk about this. 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:10.319 We're talking about Insecure, the wonderful show run and starring Issa Rae on HBO Max. 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:31.599 Um I don't know about you, but I felt like it captured a particular time period, which was like the late 2010s of just like being in your well, yeah, being in your 20s and living it up and dating and just like it was just such a great such a great show. 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:34.559 And for me, it's in LA, yeah. 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:43.039 And even though like my experience of LA is different than Issa's, like it's so re-watching it, it's so like romantic. 00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:50.799 It like makes LA look so romantic in a way that I I haven't quite seen in other shows. 00:23:50.960 --> 00:24:00.640 Like it just really captures like the LA I know and love, going out downtown, uh cemetery movie screenings, like all that stuff. 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.759 Like they really I'm I love it. 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:04.559 I love that show. 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:05.759 So how about you? 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:08.799 What's your what are your general shot thoughts on the show? 00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:10.559 Absolutely, yeah. 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:17.039 I mean, so I've I've known Issa Rae since her awkward black girl web series days. 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:22.720 So I remember being really excited when I heard that she was gonna bring this to HBO. 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:29.279 And in that time in the 2010s, we were seeing a lot of web series, you know, same with Black City. 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:38.799 Um, so it was really cool that like, you know, create her first trajectory of you know, creating it first and then like the studios came afterwards. 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:44.799 So was already a fan of her work and was like, oh, this is really exciting that she's doing this. 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:49.680 Um, plus one everything you're saying about, you know, this beautiful love letter to LA. 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:54.640 I love to be in LA, like I'm always looking for reasons to be out there. 00:24:54.880 --> 00:25:02.240 Um, and so I mean, the show, I think it it captures all the messiness and the nuances. 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:07.359 And I loved that it wasn't just, you know, her dating life, but it was also her friends. 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:15.519 It was also her relationship to career and you know, recognizing that I'm I'm interested in, I want more than what I have. 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:28.319 And so I think with shows that are based in LA or or based in New York, um, we oftentimes are getting characters who are a little bit more affluent, who might have things a little bit more figured out. 00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.880 So there was also that relatability piece that I loved. 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:32.480 Oh, yeah, it's so relatable. 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:33.279 Right. 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:43.359 And so I can only imagine, you know, watching it as somebody who lives in LA, but as someone who wasn't in LA, there was so much, so much relatable in this. 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:46.559 Like you could see yourself in her her journey. 00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:52.400 And so um, yeah, as soon as I heard the show was happening, I was like, I'm sold. 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:57.200 And, you know, one of my favorite, I mean, two of my favorite elements about the show. 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:01.599 One, I loved, loved the lively discourse on Twitter, R.

00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:05.920 Twitter, the fighting, the the arguments. 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.240 I love, I, but I love the passion, right? 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:10.559 Nobody was like chill about this show. 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:20.880 You either were not watching it, or you were like, yo, we gotta, I'm, you know, people are buying Best Buy t-shirts, you know, to stand in solidarity with Lawrence. 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:22.640 Hashtag Lawrence High. 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:24.720 I stand with Lawrence. 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.920 The most unserious, but I but I love that. 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:34.400 I mean, it's such a sign of like the cultural impact that show has absolutely undeniable. 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:38.720 And the second thing I also really appreciate is the music. 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:45.359 So I would be watching Insecure on a TV at my phone, tweeting over here, on my other hand. 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:47.200 I'm like shazamming every song. 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:53.279 Like I was introduced to so many artists that I love to this day because of the show. 00:26:53.519 --> 00:27:06.559 And she, for anyone who doesn't know this, she is all of the playlists per episode, which I'm like, thank you for doing that, because now I can just focus on fighting with people on Twitter and not shazamming. 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:11.920 But uh, just the whole ecosystem around this show was absolutely phenomenal. 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.920 Yeah, it yeah, its impact was felt all over the place. 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:36.559 Also, just like the places she shot, the businesses she shot at in LA obviously got like more of a boost, like the Ethiopian restaurant that her and Molly eat at a lot, Mercado, like that one, like it is known by people who aren't in LA, which like before that it wasn't, you know? 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:37.680 Yeah, things like that. 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:38.640 It's so cool. 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:47.440 Um, uh this was my first time rewatching it since it aired, and it was just like I couldn't stop pressing next episode. 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:54.319 Like we have specific episodes we're talking about, but I was like, I blasted through the first three seasons in like a week. 00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.279 It's it's it's been really fun to rewatch. 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:04.160 But so we were when we were talking about this episode, we were trying to figure out like which kisses to talk about. 00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:13.279 And I mean, we could there's so many that we could talk about because there's so many great like dating plot lines, not just with Issa, but with like Molly and Dro. 00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:15.440 Um Dro. 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:17.200 Lawrence and his girls. 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.519 Oh who cares about condolences? 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:22.480 I know. 00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:27.119 Um but we decided to focus in. 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.720 We've we decided to focus in on Issa and her three guys.

00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:31.279 Yes. 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:40.880 Um, so we're gonna be talking about Issa's kiss with Daniel, Issa's kiss with Nathan, and then a a kiss between Issa and Lawrence. 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:41.519 Yeah. 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:43.440 So let's get started. 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:44.480 Let's do it. 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:45.519 Let's do it. 00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:50.559 So the first kiss we're talking about is from season one, episode five. 00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:58.880 Um, and it's when Issa like officially decides to cheat on Lawrence with Daniel. 00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:05.599 For to remind people, Daniel is an old friend of Issa's from high school or college. 00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:06.000 Yeah. 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.720 They reconnect while her and Lawrence are in kind of a rut of a relationship. 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.440 Lawrence has been unemployed for two years and kind of been a bit of a loser. 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:28.079 TBH, like kind of been pretty unattractive to Issa lately because he's just like he's down in the dumps, his confidence is at an all-time low. 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.079 So like they're going through it. 00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:47.519 And um Daniel kind of represents this exciting old flame that never fully got realized because I guess they hooked up, they were like friends with benefits that never like really decided to have a relationship. 00:29:47.759 --> 00:30:10.559 And then he sort of brings out this old version of her, like this old confident version of her where she used to rap in high school and grade school, and he's a music producer, so it kind of like rekindles this part of her that has been long dormant, and there's some real attraction there. 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.880 Let's let's face it, Daniel's really hot. 00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:14.960 Yes, we totally get it. 00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:18.079 Played by Alan Knoll. 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:27.759 Um yeah, so so they've been hanging out, and actually they do kiss once before this episode that we're talking about, but she puts a stop to it. 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:31.279 She's like, he le tries, she's like, I can't do this, you know. 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:41.200 Um, and right before this scene, she has a video of her rapping the song Broken Pussy. 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:49.599 Iconic, iconic, really good, go viral, and all the kids at the school she works at are quoting it at her. 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.319 It's extremely embarrassing and unprofessional for her. 00:30:52.640 --> 00:31:02.640 So she's freaking out, she needs to get the video taken down, and Daniel was there at the event when it happened, and she's like, maybe he can help me. 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.559 So she goes and asks for help. 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:12.559 They're driving around trying to figure out when to uh how to how to take this video down. 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:27.119 And then they kind of hit a wall and they're in the car, and he's like,

Listen, I have to go to the studio, I have an appointment, uh I have a session, and um just come hang with me, like let's just take a break. 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:28.480 Like you're clearly stressed. 00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:34.799 So she goes in with him uh and like watches him work. 00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.039 Isn't that nice watching a man work? 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:39.279 Yes. 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:41.759 Love to see that. 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:58.799 Uh and then after that's done, it's just the two of them in the studio, they're kind of flirting, they're drinking, and they finally talk about like what happened between them and why they never really went for it. 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.319 And um then they kiss. 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:03.680 Then they go for it, yeah. 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:05.839 And then they go for it, yeah. 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:12.000 Uh she she gives in, they kiss, it's pretty hot, and then it leads to sex. 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:13.680 They end up hooking up. 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:18.319 So, what are your thoughts on this scene and their dynamic in general? 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:19.920 Yeah, yeah. 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:24.880 I mean, yeah, plus one of what you're saying about uh Daniel being really hot. 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.240 Of of all the insecure men, which shout out to you know the casting director. 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:38.799 Like there's a lot of really great eye candy on the show, but he definitely uh was my favorite to to look at. 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:46.000 Um yeah, I mean it's uh while I'll preface this with saying like cheating is is bad. 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:50.079 I don't, I don't um cheating. 00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:51.839 We don't condone cheating. 00:32:52.079 --> 00:33:03.279 I think if you have made a commitment to someone that you're in a relationship with and it's not going the way you want it to be, you know, you want to end that before you pursue um anything else. 00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:05.759 So that's my disclaimer right there. 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:10.559 Um I think it was kind of it felt inevitable. 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.400 I mean, I I think it felt like not out of left field. 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.200 Obviously, there's so much history between the two of them. 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:24.799 Um she's feeling frustrated, you know, about the specific video, but also the state of her current relationship. 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:35.039 I think you've already started to touch on it really well of like she has not been feeling like herself, and he very much awakens a version of her that is driven and creative. 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:43.680 And, you know, I think in the ways that she is just as attracted to him, I feel like she's really attracted to um who she is around him. 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.119 And it's like, I haven't been this version of myself in a while. 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.519 I haven't been able to access that with Lawrence. 00:33:49.839 --> 00:34:00.240 Um and Lawrence, you know, is going through some very, very real challenges, and unfortunately, the rut that they're in, there isn't that attraction there, etc. 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:10.400 So it's like you know how have this, you know, firehouse, this firepower of this person coming in at a time where you're feeling really dormant. 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:12.719 So it feels very inevitable. 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:24.559 I also really appreciate that the show, again, we don't condone the choices that she made, but you have a real understanding of like why she made those decisions and you understand her motivations. 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:25.519 Exactly. 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:38.639 So I think the show does a really good job of that, and this is one of the reasons why people love to argue on Twitter because it's like the choice is not right, but you also understand why she made the choice. 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:44.079 Um I'm sure there are people out there who find that choice maybe relatable. 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:51.840 Um but so I also think the like the what's the word for it? 00:34:51.920 --> 00:35:01.599 I'm blanking on the word, but like the the fact that they never went for it, I think that as an element too kind of like adds more fuel to the fire. 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.719 Of like, I've always been attracted to know. 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:17.840 Right, and there has been a compatibility there, and so it's it felt honestly a little circumstantial, the reasons why they they hadn't gone for it and not a lack of that's a good point attraction or anything like that. 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:25.760 Right, it's not it's not just her looking for an out with Lawrence, like there is really something there with her and Daniel. 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:27.760 There is a real what-if about it. 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:29.280 The what if, yes. 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:57.199 Re-watching this, I was like, this show, if this episode aired today, the cheating of it all, cheating in general has become so black and white, like very like the the way public the public is reacting to cheating scandals has become very puritanical, and like this person should lose their job, their job should be cancelled from society. 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:04.079 Like it's it's really gotten it's got it's like almost like it's a felony, like yeah, yeah. 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:06.400 The pitchforks are out, yeah. 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:13.920 It's it's really intense, and I'm like, I wonder how like audiences would have reacted if this came out today. 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:22.480 Like, would it have survived another season just because like I think people would have been like Issa's bad full stop, you know what I mean? 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:28.639 Like that's just kind of how people are reacting these days to stuff like this, but I don't know. 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:35.920 Like, I I loved how messy this show was and how flawed it let like its main characters be.

00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:50.400 And I remember Issa saying in interviews about the first season how she was like, she really wanted to explore like what it feels like to be the cheater, because you see a lot of stories about people being cheated on. 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:50.880 Yeah. 00:36:51.119 --> 00:37:05.199 And she's like, can we do a sympathetic a sympathetic, not necessarily like you fully understand and all is forgiven, but it's like a um a nuanced view of the person doing the cheating. 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.000 And I think she did a great job of that. 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:11.199 Like it's really interesting, it's still interesting now. 00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:13.199 Um Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:26.719 And I to your point about like them actually having uh good chemistry and and history together, like when this was airing, I remember being I was full team Daniel. 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:29.840 I was like, he's better for her. 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:40.400 Like I want her to leave Lawrence for him, and and and the show was sort of selling that as an option, yeah, uh, in her future. 00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:42.960 Yeah, that's not how things worked out at all. 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.800 It got real messy with Daniel, uh really fucked up. 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:48.400 Ugh, hate that. 00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:54.400 But I do think part of the reason I never fully got on the Lawrence bandwagon. 00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.280 This is me talking about the show in general. 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:02.880 I love Lawrence, I do, and I think J Ellis is a really attractive, talented man. 00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:17.280 But I I I was never like endgame for Lawrence, and I think maybe part of the reason I wasn't is because of this like kernel of history that she has with Daniel. 00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.119 Like, I I I don't know. 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:20.880 Yeah, I think that's real. 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:40.800 I think well, you know, with a lot of traditional love stories, I feel like you've got two people who are destined in a way, and so I think this show does a really good job of exactly what you're saying of like Daniel is this colonel or this wrinkle, and so it also is like, yeah, you uh she has options, right? 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:54.000 Like she doesn't, she's not in a it's not a story where she had to be with Lawrence in the end, which feels a lot more true to uh how dating and relationships go in in real life. 00:38:54.719 --> 00:39:03.360 Um you know, when it when it comes to like romance and love stories in media, I don't love a predictable thing. 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:14.320 So honestly, that was a a large part of why I was very open to her not being with Lawrence because I'm like so you weren't necessarily team Lawrence either. 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:21.119 Yeah, but mostly because I was like, oh, this kind of feels predictable that like the person you start with is gonna be the person you end with. 00:39:21.280 -->

00:39:27.599 I think it would have been really um, I would have appreciated the creative decision to choose somebody else. 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:32.960 So I at this point in the show, I'm like, oh yeah, I think Daniel's hot. 00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:37.519 I think he I like the version of her that he brings out of her. 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:48.000 Now things go like you've alluded to, go off the the rails, and so I don't feel like that um after season one, which is such a shame. 00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:49.039 Um I know. 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:56.079 But then I was like, okay, well, maybe she'll end up with you know a secret third guy that that we don't know. 00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:58.719 So who we'll talk about next. 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.360 Yeah, yeah, the the leading contender. 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.480 The best contender for that third guy. 00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:05.280 Yes. 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.199 So we're talking about Nathan, by Kendrick Sampson. 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:18.639 Um, so the episode we're talking about is season three, episode four, and that's when Issa and Nathan sort of meet up. 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:29.840 Um she's met him before she was his lift driver, and they kind of got into like a sticky situation, and then they randomly run into each other again in this episode. 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:46.960 Like in the middle of the day, she's like picking up lunch while she's at work, and um they just start talking, and obviously the attraction's there and it kind of turns into an all-day date where they're just wandering around talking. 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:50.800 She should go back to work, but she just decides to skip it. 00:40:50.960 --> 00:41:02.320 Like there's just something about this moment where they're both so curious about each other, and they and they just need to keep spending time to just figure out what that is. 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:02.960 Yeah. 00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.280 It's one of my favorite episodes of the whole series. 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:06.239 It's a fun one. 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:14.239 It's it's a two-part, it's a it's not a bottle episode because there are other characters in it, but it's the two of them almost the entire time. 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:15.440 Yeah, yeah. 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:20.639 And they kind of like he moved there from I forget what the other two. 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:22.480 Yeah, yeah. 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:34.639 And so she's like, they're kind of bantering about like how LA is better than Houston, and she's like showing him around the the neighborhood, and next thing you know, she's like showing him her childhood home. 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.840 Like it's a very intimate date. 00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.119 And well, it's not a date, right? 00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:42.320 It's like they're hanging out, right? 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.880 But right, but there's something in the air. 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:45.280 Yeah. 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:55.199 And um

they also during this day, they're like playing truth or dare and being extremely honest with each other. 00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:01.199 And he like asks her about her last relationship, and she reveals that she did cheat. 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:09.039 And instead of like kind of shaming her about it, he kind of takes it on the chin. 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:09.760 Yeah. 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:18.960 And it's just kind of uh it's like the first time she's being really honest with someone um since Lawrence. 00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:24.159 They end up sneaking into her childhood home's pool. 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.920 They get naked, they get in the pool. 00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:47.840 It seems like they're gonna kiss, but then uh someone uh the person who owns the home who lives there busts up the party, so then they run out, they sneak out and go back to Issa's place, and they're like just sitting there talking, and that's when they finally do kiss. 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:57.199 And it's a really cute kind of like uh I don't want to say casual, but just sort of like a it does they just they just kind of kiss. 00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:58.960 It's very organic, yeah. 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:00.800 Organic is the the word. 00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:04.239 Yeah, and it's like they've both been wanting to do this all day. 00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:05.519 The whole day, yeah. 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:06.960 It's so cute. 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.840 Um, and I was I was all for it. 00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:15.599 I loved their I loved their dynamic until it also got complicated. 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:17.280 I know, that's the thing. 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:19.920 It's it's it's good until it's not. 00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:21.280 That's that's real. 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:25.039 Um what did you think about this this case? 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.280 Yeah, I love I mean, yeah, this is a very fun episode. 00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:41.119 We talked earlier about like how this the show in and of itself is such a love letter to LA, and I feel like this episode in particular, we see so many um great places in LA on this day. 00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:47.039 I'm also somebody who I love I love the like adventure side quest of it all. 00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:56.880 So I loved how organic it went from like, oh, we just happened to be at the same taco place, which I don't know why it's taking hours to make tacos, but that's a side. 00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:58.719 Um very concerning. 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.239 Um Would not recommend going back to that place. 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.599 But I love just how playful it is. 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:18.960 I love the element of like, let's just say all the things that you're not supposed to say on a it's not a first date, but you know, when you first meet somebody who you might be interested in going on dates with. 00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:24.880 And so there's just something so um very genuine and intimate about it. 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:28.320 And I love that they're kind of on the same page of that. 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:39.599 Um I also think it's interesting because Issa's in a point in her life where she now starts to be like the property manager at her apartment building. 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:51.519 So she's just in such a transition period, and so I feel like this guy coming in at this moment um kind of further, you know, further underscores this transition. 00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:57.280 But it also I feel like in transition, it presents the opportunity for possibilities. 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:09.039 And so, you know, this, and I think that's what makes it so fun is like wow, like off the bat, I'm hitting it off with this person, and yeah, um, they're very they literally kiss each other while sitting on moving boxes. 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:10.480 Um moving boxes, yeah. 00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:19.679 And so it's like, you know, there's just there's just so much newness that's being injected into her life at this point. 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:34.480 So um, and I'm I'm such a, you know, for the people out there who ascribe to love languages, I I'm quality time, whether it's romantic or or platonic, I'm like, if I if I like you, I'm gonna be down to spend a lot of time together. 00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:40.559 And so um it was really cool to see that they were like, okay, let's go here and let's go there. 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:47.199 And there wasn't a moment where any either one of them was like, okay, this is there wasn't an imbalance between the two of them. 00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:56.400 Um, my only disclaimer, I always have a disclaimer for each kiss, do not agree with the decision to not go to that business meeting because of it. 00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:57.199 That's right. 00:45:57.519 --> 00:45:58.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:06.000 So, you know, we uh we love the being caught up and swept up in the romance and the smooches. 00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:18.000 And I know for a fact, if she had said, hey, I've got a meeting, I have a one-hour meeting, I can re-meet you up in, you know, I can meet up with you in an hour, he would have been down. 00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:24.000 So um, yeah, let's make sure that the business affairs are in order first, yeah. 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:24.559 Right. 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:26.960 But then she ended up quitting that job. 00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:28.960 So well, and that's the thing. 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.440 It's like everything's great after this day. 00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:36.960 I'm like, girl, I know you moved into a house that's like half your rent, but like you still need money. 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:37.840 You still need money. 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:39.679 It is LA. 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:43.360 LA is a beautiful place, and it is a place where you want to have some money. 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:45.599 You really need some money, you really want some money. 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:46.000 Yeah. 00:46:46.400

--> 00:46:49.440 So not the best choice, but no. 00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:51.760 But here for it. 00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:58.079 I think the last thing I'll say on it is I think it is a great example of just being present. 00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:04.559 Like, I felt I didn't feel like there was a moment in that episode where either one of them were like, are we gonna be boyfriend and girlfriend eventually? 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:08.880 Are we gonna, you know, we're next to Yeah. 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:26.719 I'm like, I think it's an invitation to be like, I like what's happening in this present moment, and it doesn't necessarily need to ladder up to something in the future, and so let's kind of just enjoy it, which I think is also something we don't necessarily always get in, you know, romantic depictions with women. 00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:28.719 It's like, is this man your husband? 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:35.519 If not, he is not worth your time or entertaining, which I I don't necessarily think is true. 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:36.880 Yeah, yeah. 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:38.880 No, that's a really good point. 00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:43.920 And it I think it dovetails well into this next episode we're gonna talk about. 00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:44.639 Let's do it. 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:48.800 Which is the kiss with Issa and Lawrence. 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:49.599 Yeah. 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:55.440 So this is season four, episode eight, so almost an entire season later. 00:47:56.320 --> 00:48:01.360 And um we've obviously we've seen Issa and Lawrence kiss before. 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:15.599 Um but this particular kiss is very significant because they've spent a couple years now apart, single, dating other people, um, kind of figuring out like if they can still be friends. 00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:21.119 And they're they've gotten to a very healthy place, the two of them, where they've grown a lot. 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:28.000 And Lawrence has like kind of broken up with Condola, but it's sort of in the air. 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:39.840 And he wants to meet with Issa, he wants to talk to her because I think he's like he's like at a crossroads, kind of where he's like, I do want to see if there's something still here. 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.480 So he asks Issa to meet with him. 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.840 It's not a date, they're just having dinner. 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:49.199 Yeah, another not a date, another not a date. 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:51.360 Those are the best kind of dates. 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:51.840 I don't know. 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:52.719 Yeah, yeah. 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:59.119 And it's I like in watching this episode, I was like, wow, this is a very similar episode to the last one. 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:07.440 Yes, because it's like a meandering thing where they go from setting to setting, and they're like, Oh, you want to check out this thing? 00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:08.000 Yeah, sure. 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:15.840 And they just keep going, and they're having a very honest conversation with each other for the first time in a really long time. 00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:19.280 Yeah, um, and it's just the two of them the whole time again. 00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:31.039 Yeah, this is the episode where they finally are able to talk about how their relationship ended, where they both failed in a way that's like mature and not blaming each other. 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:31.840 Yes. 00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:35.599 Um, and that was really meaningful. 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:36.880 Yeah, yeah. 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:40.320 Well, one, you know, the cinematography is absolutely stunning. 00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:47.280 There's that one scene where, you know, one of them is uh in front of a blue light, the other is a red. 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:50.800 Yes, yes. 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:57.519 Yeah, um, and this is this is why I love an HBO show because I uh always am eating up the behind the scenes. 00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:05.920 So I know in this episode they the behind the scenes goes into a lot of those those choices, but I think And Natasha Rothwell directed it. 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:07.840 Uh who plays Kelly. 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:09.199 She directed this episode. 00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:11.119 Killer job girl. 00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:12.000 Anyway, killed it. 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:17.599 Um yeah, such a great character on on the show. 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:28.400 Um, yeah, I think one it it just is is demonstrating that it is possible to break up with someone and come back together. 00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:33.119 I think they both really benefited from like that time apart. 00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:42.320 And obviously throughout the show, we kind of see how they spent their time when they weren't in a relationship, loved the the maturity and the honesty, right? 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:56.320 Because it could have been very easy for this fell apart because Issa cheated, versus let's have a real conversation about there were some real structural things that were happening that were falling apart in their relationship. 00:50:56.559 --> 00:51:02.880 And so I think they modeled that so well of like there's no winners and losers, right? 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:06.400 Like this thing that we had unfortunately ended. 00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:20.159 Um, I also think it's a really interesting way to just kind of underscore the amount of history between the two of them because when the show starts, we enter when their relationship is falling apart. 00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:20.960 So we don't know. 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.599 We never see the good stuff. 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.960 The good stuff, the courtship, how did you guys meet, you know, the decision to get into a relationship. 00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:30.159 We don't see any of that. 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:57.920 So I kind of love that we kind of have a greater appreciation of the amount of love and care and experience and just history between

the two people that um we may not have, you know, it's assumed, but I feel like this episode really, really like makes that clear in a way that it's interesting that we we don't get that clarity until like very close to the end of this show altogether. 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:02.880 And so I really appreciate getting that particular insight into the two of them. 00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:05.039 Yeah, I remember thinking that too. 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.920 I was just like, oh, is this what they were like in the beginning? 00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:13.280 Because there's like the good old days, banter, like the sense of humor that they have with each other. 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.039 I mean, they're both very attractive people, you know. 00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:30.400 And um it's just like uh this episode was actually the episode that convinced me, like when it was airing, that I could be okay with them ending up together. 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:39.920 Because up until that point, I was like, I really don't need her to get back with Lawrence, and I don't know why Lawrence is still in the show, to be honest, as much as he is. 00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:46.880 Like, he he still got airtime when I was like, I don't know if we need it, like I don't know if I care about his tech job or whatever. 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:56.719 No, the woot-woots oh my god, so burst um yeah, but like this. 00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:10.320 I was like, obviously, they're they're keeping him around for something, and this was the episode that convinced me, like, okay, if they end up together, even though it's not my first choice, I would be okay with it because it sold me. 00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.639 Like it was such a beautifully shot episode. 00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:18.000 The conversations they had, they've matured enough in a way that I'm like, okay, you have my blessing. 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:36.880 Um yeah, and then so when they do kiss at the end, like I I realized I was like, this is probably one of the first times we're seeing in the entire show their actual like physical chemistry, like when it's good. 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.039 When it's good, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:39.679 Yeah. 00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:50.960 Uh and and before they kiss, so earlier in the episode she says something about how happiness is a choice, um, which I think is a very mature observation. 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:57.599 And um be f when she brings him well, she's back at his apartment, I think. 00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:02.960 Yeah, she's at his apartment and she says, Um, I don't want to leave. 00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:04.880 I want I don't want this night to end. 00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:06.480 Yeah, you make me happy. 00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:08.480 You make me happy, is what she says. 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:15.440 And that's her kind of making a choice that she wants to try and see if there's still something there. 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:16.639 Something, yeah. 00:54:16.880

--> 00:54:19.519 Yeah, and that's when they kiss. 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.639 They kiss again, it's a very cute kiss. 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:25.360 I don't know if it's cute, it's it's a romantic kiss. 00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:26.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:28.719 Yeah, romantic, cute. 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:33.199 Um, yeah, I I love that quote of happiness is a choice. 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:38.639 I do think, you know, no matter what is going on in our lives, right? 00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:46.239 There is a moment where, you know, we can take a little bit of control over what choices would lead us down to happiness. 00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:48.480 Um, I think I agree. 00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:51.199 I was like, okay, there's there's so much here. 00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:55.119 It's kind of hard not to root for the two of them after an episode like this. 00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.760 And there is still the part of me that's like, I just always think it's a little bit more. 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:10.800 I I appreciate the people who are like, okay, she's gonna end up with this third guy, or I would have been fine with the the series ending where it's a little bit ambiguous. 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:14.800 It's like actually, you know, she's in the middle of rekindling something. 00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:15.519 Yeah, yeah. 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.400 I didn't need her to end up with a guy at the end at all, to be honest. 00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:23.599 I was open to anything, a suggestion of eventually she'll find someone. 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:28.320 Yeah, because there's so much, there's so much else going on in this show. 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:41.840 Friendships and uh and other storylines that it it didn't the show didn't paint finding romance as the most important thing in the show, exactly, and that's what we love about it, yeah. 00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:42.719 Yeah. 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:45.199 Um sorry, go ahead. 00:55:45.599 --> 00:56:05.440 Well, I you know, I was just gonna say it it also feels kind of similar to the Nathan episode where um obviously the undertone here is like maybe we can be together because they've have previously been in a relationship, but there does feel like an element of you know, continuing this night with you is gonna make me happy. 00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:12.159 And so again, I think the more we see depictions of like you you don't have to have mapped out your five-year plan yet. 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:18.880 Yeah, just having faith in the moment, yeah, letting it play out without needing it to go anywhere. 00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:19.679 Yeah, exactly. 00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:27.199 Because it's it wasn't really like when they get together, when they kiss, when they sleep together that night, it's not like they're like we're getting back together. 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:30.079 It's it's like more exploratory, yeah. 00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:34.639 Um and obviously Condola's in the background making calls. 00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:39.119 We eventually that's gonna blow up his life. 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:43.199 Um but but for now, we don't need to be worried about that. 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.280 We don't need a we don't need a we don't need to be worried about that. 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:46.000 We'll keep it happy. 00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:46.800 We'll keep it happy. 00:56:47.760 --> 00:57:03.280 But I do wanna, I I did um wanna say, like, so there's a couple interviews that Issa's done where she explains like the choice um to have her and Lawrence end up together and and just like her thinking behind this episode in particular. 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:07.519 So she said in this episode, I was conflicted. 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:11.039 I didn't want them back together at the beginning of the season, to be honest. 00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:14.320 You know, it goes back to when season four, episode eight aired. 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:28.239 I was thrilled that people loved it, but I had this oh my god, like feeling in the pit of my stomach that people are gonna be so devastated if they don't end up together because they they like set it up with this episode. 00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:33.519 Um and Isa still wasn't convinced about uh them being endgame. 00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:42.559 And then during this the final season, um they write ahead of the show, obviously. 00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:46.480 So in the writing of it, she wasn't convinced about pushing for them. 00:57:46.800 --> 00:58:02.559 But as they started shooting the episode sorry, shooting the season, and she's like placed in Issa the character, she started feeling like Issa's in love with Lawrence. 00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:07.119 Like Lawrence makes her happy, like I would be denying her happiness. 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:07.760 Yeah. 00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:13.360 Uh like her the character by not letting her end up with her. 00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:14.000 Yeah. 00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:22.880 Which I think is kind of interesting, just like the difference between writing and acting, where it's like she's embodying the character who is a version of herself but not. 00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:23.360 Yeah. 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:27.679 And is like, wait, this character like still really loves Lawrence. 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:28.239 Yeah. 00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:28.480 Yeah. 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:30.239 Whether or not I support it. 00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:31.360 So Right. 00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:41.199 Yeah, I mean, I think I think the choice she made makes sense and you know, really love kind of like the inside scoop on what she was thinking about. 00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:54.400 Um, it also, you know, is a reminder of the ways that like audience reaction can then also influence what what happens, which I have a love hate with that. 00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:58.400 Sometimes it's a part of me that's like just give us the original story. 00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:02.480 But I I think it makes sense that they ended up

together. 00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:06.159 And yeah, I mean, I'm I'm team Isa. 00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:12.079 So whatever makes her happy is I'm I'm all for it. 00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:13.119 Yeah, yeah. 00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:22.960 I and I I think they got to a place where like they're both mature enough, they've learned to forgive each other in a way that I'm like, they can have a healthy relationship at this stage. 00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:26.480 So yeah, uh it sold me, it convinced me. 00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:29.119 Love this episode as well. 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:32.159 Love the show, really, really great show. 00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:36.159 I mean, obviously, it's such a good show, it's such a great time capsule. 00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:42.320 I feel like if anyone is like, what did 2010's uh LA feel like? 00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:44.880 Um, it's a really great show for that. 00:59:45.119 --> 01:00:01.760 And um, I think whether you are someone who is, you know, figuring out in the dating world or trying to figure out your career stuff, or I think there's just being able to see characters kind of fumble in the messiness of it. 01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:08.719 Um, I think this makes for a really good comfort show if you're like going through some sort of challenge. 01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:20.000 Um, there are, I think watching from start to finish, but there's a lot of really key episodes where um I think folks can draw some inspiration um that they can apply to themselves. 01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:29.760 And it's such a treat to be able to binge it the way that when I was watching it while I was airing and I'm like counting those seconds, those that was tough. 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:37.199 Um so consider yourself lucky if you've never watched the show before and you just get to watch all five seasons back to back. 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:37.760 Yeah. 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:38.239 Yeah. 01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:40.800 You weren't in the trenches with the real ones. 01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:41.280 Yeah. 01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:42.559 Yeah, seriously. 01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.880 Before we uh go, I need to share you a smooch fact. 01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:47.760 Let's hear it. 01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:53.119 I'm dying to share some scientific knowledge with you about smooches. 01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:53.760 Yes. 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:57.119 Um, okay, so uh this one's an interesting one. 01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:03.599 Um, so in earlier episodes of the podcast, like way in the beginning, so go back there if you haven't yet. 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:10.880 Um, I talk about some like origin theories for how kissing became a thing. 01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:18.079 Um, and a lot of theories are about like breastfeeding, sorry to say. 01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:23.760 Um, or pre-mastication, which was before baby food was cans. 01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:27.519 Um this is actually very recent, actually. 01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:28.000 Yeah. 01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:31.599 Moms used to chew food and then feed it to their babies. 01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:33.440 Yes, yes, mouth to mouth. 01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:35.519 And so mouth-to-mouth feeding. 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:47.760 Um and so babies kind of like as a baby, you kind of uh associate mouth to mouth as a uh security nourishment, you know, it's kind of it's kind of weird. 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:54.480 Um, but that could have started the first like act of physical mouth to mouth anything. 01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:55.199 Yeah, okay. 01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.519 Um anyway, so these are some earlier theories. 01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:03.360 Um but uh I came across an episode of a podcast called Why Do We Do That? 01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:06.159 Um that's the name of the podcast. 01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:06.719 Love it. 01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:08.320 It's hosted by Dr. 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:10.159 Ella Al Shamahi. 01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:11.679 She's really interesting, actually. 01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:13.280 She's a paleoanthropologist. 01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:16.000 So the podcast is about like why do we do this? 01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:17.280 Why do humans do that? 01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:20.559 Like what in our evolutionary biology led us to these things. 01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:20.960 Yeah. 01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:27.440 Um but there's an episode about why do we kiss where she talks to Dr. 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.159 Rafael Wolodarsky. 01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.559 Um, and he's I've actually read about him before. 01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:39.039 He's one of the only people that's like properly studied kissing in the world. 01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:42.159 Um, and I'm gonna mass manifesto. 01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:44.079 Hopefully, I'll get to have him on the podcast some day. 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:46.320 Yeah, I would love to talk to him. 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:47.119 You should. 01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:47.840 You should. 01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:51.360 He did a PhD on the science of kissing. 01:02:51.679 --> 01:03:15.199 Um so he did this major, he this he did this big study where he surveyed thousands of people from different cultures across the world and um just asked them, you know, about their romantic practices, kissing in general, things about kissing, um, and found that, well, one this is surprising to me. 01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:21.440 Um only 46% of cultures, like humans, kiss. 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:23.920 Like that's a part of their cultural practice. 01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:26.559 46, less than less than half of the world. 01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:26.960 Yeah. 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:29.679 Um which is pretty crazy. 01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:39.360 Um but yeah, and of those surveyed, um, one of the questions that he asked was like, what's the most important aspect to kissing? 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:47.920 And um overwhelmingly the most important thing about a kiss is like how the person smells. 01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:52.320 Um so smell is incredibly important. 01:03:53.599 --> 01:04:01.760 And

there's been a lot of studies about like pheromones and when you smell another person, like what information do you get about that person? 01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:11.119 And it's you it's subconscious, but you get a lot of data about like your genetic compatibility with a person. 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:23.360 So if someone smells really good to you, like their natural smell, not their perfume, it's because you probably have a lot of genetic compatibility, whether or not you look like that person. 01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:26.480 It's it's it's just something is very compatible. 01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:28.960 Yeah, which is very interesting. 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:42.400 So the thing about kissing that he supposed is that when you get up close and you're kissing someone for a long time, you're getting to smell them for an extended period of time and get that information. 01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:43.199 Yeah. 01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:49.760 And like besides kissing, smell is a universal practice. 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:57.039 Like people rub noses, like uh other cultures, their greetings are like you're rubbing noses, you're breathing into each other. 01:04:57.199 --> 01:04:59.840 Like, there's a lot of different uh practices. 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:18.960 So basically, what he concluded after this study was that the biological need to smell is universal, yeah, but but the experience to getting to the smell varies across cultures, and kissing is just one of those versions, yeah. 01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:21.599 One of those ways that you get the smell. 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:26.400 A vehicle, uh ends or a means to an end, yeah. 01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:27.119 Yeah. 01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:29.039 Isn't that bizarre? 01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:32.880 Yeah, I mean, I didn't know any of those things. 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:41.679 I mean, it it it all makes sense, but it's it's making me think about how, yeah, I haven't thought too too much about the history of kissing. 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:49.920 And I don't think I I consciously think about how someone smells if when I'm kissing them, but it it's definitely part of the experience. 01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:51.840 Yeah, it makes sense, yeah. 01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:53.840 Yeah, yeah. 01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:57.280 I I just I thought it was very interesting. 01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:59.280 So Yeah, you're putting people on. 01:05:59.360 --> 01:05:59.760 I don't think a lot. 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.239 Lot of people know about that. 01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:06.400 So yeah, thank you for putting me on to that. 01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:08.000 You're so welcome. 01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:09.519 That's what this podcast is all about. 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:10.079 Exactly. 01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:13.199 Teaching people everything you need to know about kissing. 01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:14.239 Everything you need to know about. 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:15.199 Every single thing. 01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:15.760 Yeah. 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:17.760

Also, I think so. 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:26.960 As kissing became prevalent in like pop culture, like movies whatever, so like that is a cultural export. 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:34.559 And I think as a result, kissing has become more practiced uh among more cultures. 01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:37.440 Kind of because of that, too, which is interesting. 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:39.039 Like the power of pop culture. 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:45.519 The power of pop culture is like, oh, if I want to feel romantic with someone, I guess kissing is the way to express that. 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:46.239 Exactly. 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:57.840 And there's so I'm obviously there's so many great examples of this on this podcast for anyone who's like literally taking notes when they're watching TV, film, award shows, all of that stuff. 01:06:58.000 --> 01:06:59.679 So yeah, it makes sense. 01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:05.760 It's interesting, yeah, the the relationship between science and then also cultural impacts. 01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:19.039 Because if we weren't consuming media with kissing in particular contexts, I mean we draw so much information about how to how to behave and and think from the media that we consume, so it makes sense. 01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:22.800 Yeah, it's wild. 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:24.239 Wild times. 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:25.360 Wild times. 01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:28.320 Well, thank you so much for joining me at Tang. 01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:31.840 It's been so fun talking about all these kisses with you. 01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:32.480 Yes. 01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:36.159 Um let everybody know where they can find you. 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:37.440 Yeah, absolutely. 01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:39.199 I've had such a fun time. 01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:40.400 Love the show. 01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:45.039 Happy to come back, always have many thoughts on other smooches. 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:58.239 But um, like I shared earlier, I host a TV analysis social commentary podcast called Consider This for Comfort, where we break down what our favorite comfort TV shows say about our society and culture. 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:03.440 So season five is currently airing right now with new episodes every Wednesday. 01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.400 So available wherever you listen to podcasts. 01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:12.320 So like, subscribe, comment, tell a pop culture lover would really appreciate that. 01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:21.680 Um, you can follow the podcast Instagram for fun updates and snippets from our conversations at Consider Comfort Pod. 01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:27.840 And then I write a companion newsletter that kind of builds on the conversations that are happening on the podcast. 01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:38.800 So for more of my musings on TV Media Film, you can head over to my website, atanghetta.com, to subscribe to A Tang's Edit. 01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:40.880 And in general, hit me up. 01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:47.359 Very down for collaborations, opportunities, speaking gigs, all of that good stuff. 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:58.640 Um, so if there's anything that excites you about this conversation or, you know, when you hop over to listen to my show, I'm just very, very open to collaborations and possibilities. 01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:01.439 So hit me up in all the different ways. 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:07.359 I really enjoyed having you here, and I can't wait to listen to future episodes of your podcast. 01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:08.239 Awesome. 01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:08.960 Same. 01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:10.560 Thank you so much for having me. 01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:14.720 Smoochfest is produced and edited by Lena Olson. 01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:18.239 The theme song was produced by Theo Seidman. 01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:21.680 Catch you next Thursday for another episode.