Full Transcript for INTERVIEW: Ryan Tedder

god, Oh my god, my god. And you said no, you're investing. 00:02:41 Speaker 2: I messed up. 00:02:42 Speaker 1: You made a big mistake. 00:02:43 Speaker 2: This is a big, big L for me, Holy ship, huge L. 00:02:46 Speaker 1: I get what these are? Mm hm, oh my god. 00:02:53 Speaker 2: Okay, I missed. I missed on this one. 00:02:55 Speaker 1: We'll happy birthday to you. You take those home to the fam, William and you can. That's your that's your birthday. 00:03:02 Speaker 2: Thank you. Grumble. 00:03:03 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Now you got so much popping at the moment, you got so much going on. You just dropped the starlight Lovers remix. 00:03:13 Speaker 2: That was so fun. 00:03:14 Speaker 1: That was like a a high school banger for me. And so when I saw that, I was like, well done. 00:03:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. I like French house music. We love it. We're working on an actual album right now. Like in my mind it's it's been it's been too long since we've sat down and done a proper album, top down and spent really all the time and focus. It's spent such a single release, single release, single release kind of game for the last few years, and I was like, guys, enough of this, We're making a proper album. In the midst of that, I got approached by our friend Gigi in France who's Universal France, and when he pitched the idea to me, I was like, Okay, we have to do this. Yep, we have to do this. I love I love French house music so much. 00:03:53 Speaker 1: So that was a lot of fun, lovely. We're gonna dovetail that straight into You Got the Greatest There was one probably greatest hits coming. 00:04:01 Speaker 2: It's kind of like a it's funny because it's not really yes and no. It's because we're not even on that record label anymore. But they're kind enough that we still have a good relationship. Yeah, yeah, And we talked about setting up for all these upcome. We're doing this arena run in Europe in the fall, Asia, Australia, New Zee in Australia February exactly in China. And so we have never done the Greatest Hits and so the idea that we came up with was in the streaming era, it's kind of like it greatest hits don't hit the same in the streaming area. Oh yeah, you know what I mean. 00:04:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I totally get that. 00:04:34 Speaker 2: Yeah. So we've so it's called the Collection, and it's it's like it's rebranded Greatest Hits yep. And really what we're doing is Spotify has been nice enough in Apple and Amazon to basically refocus in on the biggest songs that we've ever had, yeah, and just kind of like give us some give us some love for the next six months or so, because. 00:04:53 Speaker 1: You know, like for people who know your your your music history and just how long you been working in the business. Touching on streaming, the hits don't hit the way they used to. They hit bigger sometimes, but then if you don't hit super big, you can talk to these people they don't hit super big. It's like they never hit at all. There's no

it's like all or nothing. It's so weird, isn't it weird? 00:05:16 Speaker 2: It's so weird. So here's what I say. The what's so interesting about now is if you have let's say every year, from my estimation, there's probably three songs, three to four at most, that that conquer the world that year, and then there's a bunch that do really well. 00:05:37 Speaker 1: Yeah that ater hits. 00:05:38 Speaker 2: There's three to four unavoidable, ubiquitous smashes, right the blessing in the curve. If you have one of those. We had one of those, you know, fears ago with I Worried yeap obviously Tates had a couple more recently, Die with a Smile Alex Warren and let's say you know Apita, you know so unavoidable and Benson beautiful Things from a year ago. Let's use beautiful Things an example. The one of the interesting side effects of having songs that big is you can't get out of the way of them. And if you want, as the artist to move on to your next single. 00:06:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck. The people say no. 00:06:16 Speaker 2: The people say all. 00:06:17 Speaker 1: The streaming says no. All the algorithms, says no. 00:06:20 Speaker 2: Some combination thereof yeah, now you can't. There are artists and albums that break from that because they're just so there's so much momentum behind it. Sabrina last year, Okay, that was the first time since Katy Perry that a solo artist had that many hits off one album. Now, not as many as Katie, but you know, three or four, like yeah, proper smashes. That's like so few and far between now, and the problem is and then then you have the other weird thing, which is an album cut that you did three years ago all of a sudden goes viral on TikTok and you're out there pushing your current single, and then a song that wasn't even a single from three to ten years ago goes kaboom yeah and literally assassinates your current single. 00:07:09 Speaker 1: And then everyone yels pivot, yeah, pivot, pivot, And we did this suburpose Charli XCX party for you. 00:07:15 Speaker 2: We did this suburpose pivot like pivot. 00:07:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah. 00:07:18 Speaker 2: And you know, or or you have an event like Coldplay in the concert the other day when Jiz Martin sings Sparks or whichever song was he makes this comment about letting letting somebody down and gets very emotional. That clip goes viral. Now that song for the first time is charting. Yeah, and so you know we've experienced it as a band with our back catalog. You have other artists like the Neighborhood Sweater Weather, which has not left the top I think fifty fifteen years. 00:07:45 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:07:45 Speaker 1: It's crazy rock. 00:07:46 Speaker 2: It is the it doesn't it defies all lots. 00:07:48 Speaker 1: It's interesting. In Australia. I don't know if you saw this, but they just literally like the chartting our version of Billboard just pastor yeah, ayah, yeah, they just changed the rule that you uh, anything over two years old will no longer be reported

in the official top fifty for Australia. That's because we were finding just stuff would get stale in the chart because something gets locked into a streaming. But see, I come of it from going to I'm the non artist point of view right where I'm like, is it things are getting stuck in the chart or is the music being put out? It's actually like the barrier to break through and to become what's next or what's best? Well, if it's really if the last hurdle is really high. Then you have to keep topping yourself. Right. So, now with all of the music available all of the time, then the people are real like the democratization of music, people can listen to what they truly believe is the best all of the time. And so as an artist, the job is harder now to how to you? 00:08:53 Speaker 2: Definitely for me as a songwriter, producer, artist, you name it, it is in infinitely harder. I don't care who you are to have a song connect through to the world. Now, you could write, here's I made this comment the other day. New Music Friday is tomorrow, right, yep, right, there will be one hundred and some one thousand songs that will be uploaded tomorrow. 00:09:17 Speaker 1: Is that how many come out? 00:09:18 Speaker 2: Approximately hundred, one hundred and twenty thousand. 00:09:20 Speaker 1: Yea every Friday, every. 00:09:21 Speaker 2: Day, seven days a week. So here's what I'm Here's here's what I would contend. Yeah, there will be an editorial selection on what songs make New Music Friday the page. That's based on the people that work at Spotify. Yeah, mostly they choose that, right, there's very few purely chosen editorial that's one that it's chosen. I would contend. When you have that many songs coming out, the best song written tomorrow, the best song tomorrow in the world that comes out, you will not know came out. 00:09:51 Speaker 1: No, You're absolutely right, And there's. 00:09:53 Speaker 2: A ninety nine point nine nine percent chance that the best song in the world tomorrow will die a quiet death and people will never know that it came out. And so the people that are altruistic optimists for like, no, the best song always wins. That's not the case anymore. And the truth of the matter is, this is the first time ever where trends and how a song is used in a video clip or the visual attached to the A random person in a subway takes a video to a song and the way they took that video that goes viral. Thus the song becomes starts streaming. Thus the song becomes popular. And does that equal a better song? Not necessarily. Great songs still cut through. Don't get me wrong, I'm not like a crazy cynic. Amazing songs still connect through and they work. Somber's records are blowing my mind. I think he's a true brilliant prodigy, and I think he deserves the success he's having. So that was five, six, seven years in the building for him, thoughtce he was fifteen, you know, Sabrina was ten. There's the random one off guy like Hosier with Too Sweet, which he would be the first. He said in an interview, I was the guy that did that one song about a church, and then I never thought I'll have you. And if he tried to explain, he got asked why did that song cut through so quickly? And he just sat there going. 00:11:13 Speaker 1: I don't know who the hell knows? Who knows? 00:11:15 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of guessing. I've had to become less precious about I still approach songwriting the same level and want to write the biggest songs that I can, but I've had to divorce myself from my emotional connection to those songs now because I when the streaming thing started happening and this started happening, it killed me. Well yeah, this killed me. 00:11:35 Speaker 1: There's a little bit I like you feel like it's a bit of justice. It's like the unfantasis like, but hang on. 00:11:39 Speaker 2: This is really good. I know, I know that. And then I had had a song like a couple of years ago, Miley Cyrus angels like you they're pushing a different song like used to Be Young, and then our song out of Nowhere off the previous album goes viral explodes, and then of course you being in radio doesn't get service to radio, which is a songwriter. 00:11:59 Speaker 3: We're like, wait, wait, this is actually go to So there's a lot of there's a lot of streaming and radio and just people humans, all of us trying to keep up. 00:12:09 Speaker 2: Bottom line is this, we're drinking. Everyone every day is drinking from a water hose of just data, information, videos, content, and so if everything in your life is loud, then the only things that really grab your attention and cut through have to be screaming loud totally, which is also what leads to our algorithms driving us to the extremes politically, yeah, opinion wise, creative, creatively, only the craziest stuff cuts through. So we're all kind of going like that. It's it's it's wild. 00:12:44 Speaker 1: Time talk to me about AI. You can't come to l a now, And it changes so much every time I'm here. Yeah, there's like robot delivery boxes running up and down the foot path, cars without drivers cut the way mos and then and Tesla is doing it now, blowing up the way moos look weirdly like spaceships. 00:13:02 Speaker 2: Though, I agree, Well, it's all like cameras and the. 00:13:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, like a big twirllybird camera on the front. You did it looks like though. Okay, now they're at least trying to make this as safe as have you taken one? No, I'm scared should do it? Is it wild? 00:13:14 Speaker 2: It's pretty, it's pretty weird. The first time I took on was in San Francisco. Yeah, you know, my kids, friends and my kid they take them all the time. Yeah, and they're they're growing up with driverless Think about this generation. If you're fourteen fifteen, you're growing up with driverless cars. 00:13:28 Speaker 1: No, this is just gonna be weal use, this. 00:13:30 Speaker 2: Is just what you what you do, Yes, this is what you do. 00:13:32 Speaker 1: And we sound like those

old we said we're actually technically probably boomers. Now we were like, oh, we didn't used to have this when we were Kiyeah yeah, no, no, you can suddenly realize you sound like your parents hundred percent. Yeah. The dovetail into that was how much is it changing music? 00:13:48 Speaker 2: Because it is changing music, it is, it's changing it From a creative perspective. Ai AI is a tool so far has been very beneficial. It's helped I've gotten cut because, for instance, if i'm if I'm if I'm normally pitching a song, let's say to a female artist. I won't name one because then the internet just Internet's on me, but I can think of one. I'll tell you off record where I got the song placed, and i'll tell you who it was in the song afterwards, yep, in the song. I'm I'm singing the demo, And historically I would either just leave me singing the demo because female artists were very used to hearing my voice on songs, or I would occasionally hire a female demo singer to come in and replace me. Scratch, vokal yeah, correct, CREC, corect and and so with AI, I started probably eighteen months ago replacing my voice when when La Las first came out, like the month it came out, I started experimenting with plugging in my voice. So if I want to do a song that sounds like Ariana Grande, I'd sing it like Arianna in my way. Process. It put the song back in all of a sudden You're like, oh my god, this is this is amazing. Yeah, So I started pitching songs doing that okay and uh, and it started workingmous to tremendous effect. 00:15:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:15:11 Speaker 2: I'd write raps and do the raps and then replace myself with like a well known rapper just so it felt authentic. Yep, holy cow, it works. 00:15:18 Speaker 1: So I suppose it when you because when you're in pitch stage right, trying to get someone to buy into your vision of a song, if the job is always to make it sound or feel like it's them as much as it possibly can be, because you know artists are like that, right, it. 00:15:32 Speaker 2: Can backfire too. 00:15:34 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I can kind of go, oh, I really see your vision for me. I like that. 00:15:39 Speaker 2: Now correct, correct, and and so it. I would say for for vocal replacement and pitching, it's been tremendous for me. For people who don't have great voices but want to do a song that sounds like the Kidler Roy or something like you can you can kind of manifest that I don't publish any of those, meaning I don't put them on YouTube. We don't know there's a there are lines you don't So for that tool, it's been great for music creation. There's elements of Suno and a couple different AI companies. That allow me to input my idea and then tell it what I want it to do to sound like, and then it'll pop out the other end. And that what that does is saves me half a day of work. 00:16:19 Speaker 1: Okay, saves me. 00:16:20 Speaker 2: It's all shit that I would have to do anyway, but it saved me. Now, it might take twenty attempts of prompting it to where I'm like, give me something, for instance, give me something that feels like sitting on the dock of the bay nineteen sixties or whatever year that was, seventies, Yeah, but faster tempo. And then but don't copy sitting on the top of sit at the dock of the bay. Just give me something in that spirit. I might spit out three or four. I might take a chunk of one and go ooh, that sounds like a sample I could use. I'll put that into a track, change the pitch on it, add some reverb. Now I've got this really cool sample sounding texture in the back of a song that sounds expensive and tasty and really nice aesthetic. So that's the extent that I've used it. When it comes to lyrics, chat Chiput lyrics has become the joke inside of songwriting sessions, you'll be like, man, that's that shit sounds so chatchy, bet, like that has become the punchline. The lyrics are so bad. That is so chatchy, so chatchy bto would you get chatty bt those lyrics. 00:17:20 Speaker 1: That would be the clichety ones, you know, like I'm sitting out here and I'm missing you, and. 00:17:24 Speaker 2: So if you're taking a small talk, you went on a long walk, you know, scrolling through TikTok, it'll do stuff like that. That's yeah, But but the reality is, as we're all laughing about it in the back of my mind, I also like, there's a couple of AI companies I was an early investor in that aren't in the music space. But I see how rapidly it's growing behind the scenes, and I'm going, oh God in my fear as it regards to music. Thankfully, the major labels to put their foot down and said we will not allow I think we'll not allow for AI music and AI artists to be uploaded. All of our partners are holding the ground right yep. It feels a bit to me like a bunch of people pushing against the door. 00:18:11 Speaker 1: Oh holding a damn up right holding. 00:18:12 Speaker 2: A damn up right. Yeah, you're you're holding the damn up. 00:18:17 Speaker 1: Like that. 00:18:17 Speaker 2: You see other crack someone goes like that. Eventually you run out of hands, and I think the first domino to fall the thing that the creatives that I fear the most for right now, if I'm being truthful and we're not doing this, So don't worry our music video directors and in their teams, because if I'm a I'm just playing this out right game this out I'm a I'm a nineteen year old artist. I'm newly signed to Universe Music Australia. I have a crazy idea for music video. The label's not giving me the budget to do it. They're also simultaneously telling me you can't use AI. I just went and made the video with AI. It's out of here. It's it's going to change my life forever because there's video videos you now. As you know, video content now is almost as important as the music itself. Absolutely, I went made a video just to test it. It's amazing. Universal is not letting me release it. How long can you hold that damn back? 00:19:12 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:19:12 Speaker 3: No. 00:19:13 Speaker 2: From young

artists who need visuals for their songs, I just don't see the damn holding now when that collapses. 00:19:19 Speaker 1: Well, I also and I also feel that the majors are holding ground. 00:19:27 Speaker 2: Yes they are, okay, yeah, but wisely I think. 00:19:30 Speaker 1: But I know, I know, I know, I agree, I agree, but I would sit back and go argue that all of them now are shareholder investment companies. They all need to make more money this year than they did last year. And it will only take one artist who is told no by some A and R guy and goes and does it all on his own, pushes it out and has no team behind him, but he looks they look like they have a team of a th you know that's II. And then one label goes, oh, let's just keep that sacred. Yeah, and then we just say, you know, the money run on that project, we actually made all of it back because we actually I add so much to that project. 00:20:14 Speaker 2: And no one, You're one hundred percent right as it pertains to Yes, it will be a independent artist or not. Who is the first person that does the I mean Kanye's last video was AI. I mean, not that that mattered. But the it will be an independent artist, it will happen. It's not if it's when if I had to predict, I think in the next twelve months, okay, it will be a video with There will be a video that will go nuts the song connected to it, despite its whatever level of quality the song is, the song will go off to an extent as me just predicting shit in thin air. There will be a video, there will be a song attached to it. The video will go viral instant, maybe even more so than the song. The song associated will stream and achieve some type of traction, but the cultural conversation surrounding it will become this inflection point within the entire music industry. And a year from now, you'll and I will have a conversation where you're like, well, remember we talked about that. Absolutely it's going to happen. I don't, and I think it will likely be an independent artist that does it. And I've asked my kids and their friends, would you care if a song if you knew, if if you loved a song and you knew that was one hundred percent AI, would you care? And their answer was. 00:21:34 Speaker 1: No, No. 00:21:34 Speaker 2: I now here's that's the bad news. That's the like apocalyptic there's there's there's larger if if I zoom out. My much bigger concern for AI is that I fundamentally believe in the next ten to twenty years, AI will will There's a convergence happening between robotics and AI. They're both going like this, and they've they just met. They've met. Where they first met is in warfare and drones and things like that, but where they're now meeting in going to affect is our actual species. As people start to fall in love with AI, robotics and AI. A man proposed to his AI last week. No I know it went viral and started bawling when she said yes. So I don't want to go down the whole park litit of thing, but but I fear for like literally the continuation of people having kids. That's scared of. 00:22:27 Speaker 1: You know, look, you know what you know. I'm not to go into any political territory. But like Tucker Carlson made this editorial like five years ago, we talked about AI and he was like, the AI was with waymos right, taking jobs, taking driver jobs and apparently like transportation'll be your first job. 00:22:45 Speaker 2: Gone. 00:22:45 Speaker 1: Well, he was saying it employs so many million truck drivers, bus drivers, taxi drivers, employ so many millions of people here in the US right and around the world. You can't redeploy that population to do another job. So he's a document. Was government actually will probably end up coming in they have and regulate AI and go you on you know the way most fun and cute, yep, but it cannot be done at sky. 00:23:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you reach you an existential problem. What happens is Bernie Sanders just talked about this a few days ago, truck drivers autonomous vehicles. My neighbor growing up in Oklahoma was a truck driver. His dad was a truck driver, and he became a truck driver. That there's a huge contingent of people in America and that will be one of the first jobs to go. I have family members whose marketing and online advertising and marketing companies are now imploding. Yeah, because everyone is using AI. When meta I sent a text out. I sent a text out to a group thread of friends of mine who are like early stage. One of them is my friend I told you abe, early stage investors, guys who did huge companies now that they invested in ten years ago. Very smart guys. And in one of the headlines from two weeks ago was a headline that said, very small headline that didn't make a lot of news, but I thought it was the loudest headline of the day. Meta announces it's new on platform in app meaning Facebook, Instagram, everything they own advertising and marketing tool. You no longer have to hire average advertised marketers. You can create your own thing using AI within Facebook, within Facebook marketplace, et cetera, et cetera. I screenshot that. I sent it to the group thread and I said, anyone else think this is the loudest New Years article in the last two months, three months, four months, and everyone was like, yes, we caught that. It's this is that was the beginning that that article that Meta had two weeks ago, that announcement, as it bleeds into all the other industries and replaces, you know, drivers and things. I think when you repopulate people, the biggest existential even if you governments are claiming that AI will create a system where pretty much any country, if they effectively use it, will become fully funded by the gouver like meaning you're you're you're not gonna go broke, don't worry. There's so much excess money that here's your stipend every month, right, so it's not even so much about there's gonna be temporarily we're gonna have like a huge drop off in wealth from a lot of people. People involved

in AI and stuff are gonna get the people that own those companies are crazy. Yeah, there's gonna be a larger gap. But what they all believe, and even guys like Elon believes, right, and he knows more than I guess all of us on this topic, is that there will be this redeployment of wealth, right, kind of like socialism more or less. But that leaves the bigger question which Bernie brought up acutely the other day. He said, purpose what happens in thirty years? 00:25:39 Speaker 1: No, I totally, totally, And now we're going on now we do not because like you cannot, we cannot as people not wake up and have something to do. 00:25:51 Speaker 2: You love your job? I like I love my job? 00:25:53 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we all if we had to probably could go. I don't need to work if I don't want to work. But what am I going to do with the day? What am I going to create? Like that's what we want programmed to want to do? 00:26:07 Speaker 2: How much plates is too much? Plates? 00:26:10 Speaker 1: Having messages on your birthdays to messages on your birthdays. 00:26:12 Speaker 2: Yeah too. But yeah, but as it pertains to music, bring bring in the full circle from from all the things that could potentially derail as it goes to pertain to music. My kids are going into music. I think that there is enough. It's one of the final things. I sat with a massive global company about nine months ago when they were asking me to advise them on their AI or a year ago, and then I kind of politely walked away from it because I was like, I don't feel comfortable helping you replace me. And that's what I said in the media. And great guys, great great company. But I just couldn't do it. And I said to them, sometimes just because you can doesn't mean you should. And and I had a room. 00:26:59 Speaker 1: Full is good to spot of man's uncle. With great power comes great responsibility. 00:27:03 Speaker 2: Same they were all sitting right here. There's a probably ten of them, twelve them from a company that you probably have been on every day. Yeah, And and I said, just because you can doesn't mean you should. And I said the Pandora's box of what you're One of one of the defining elements of of of what makes us human is music. It is one of the oldest form of entertainment and you know, go back to Biblical times, Old Testament. What did David what was David before Goliath? A musician? Yeah, it's literally the musician. I said, if you take this away, if you infringe upon it at all, you can't put that genie back, you know, on a lamp. Yeah. So I just I I'm the optimistic part of me. That's it believes that there are there is enough interest in keeping us human that the powers that peple will shield us to the extent they can, for the duration they can. Now, the last thing I'll say on this topic, what is what I predict is going to happen in the next five to ten years. And I bet hard money on this. There is going to be a complete recoil, like the pendulum swinging a rubber band snap, with humans fleeing towards events, live events, things that make us human. Okay, Yes, concerts are going to explode. 00:28:15 Speaker 1: I totally music because I was reading something that was basically the effect of it was if every interaction that in the next five to ten years we have, be it on email or text or even calling companies, we know is AI based right, We as humans will search out in person real interactions. So people say the strip mall, the shopping mall is dead. No, no, actually could come back, come back because people are like, I don't want to buy online and talk to a robot. I actually want to have an in person experience because I don't have enough of those anymore because all my job has moved to being all AI driven. 00:28:52 Speaker 2: One percent, yeah, one hundred percent is going to be if you were if you had like fifty dollars to to invest today, my money would be I mean, bitcoin would be one. But the other one the other thing, that's a different conversation. The other thing, The other thing that I would bet on long long that I am betting on is live events, live music, live sports. Yeah. I think sports are gonna go through the roof ticketing. I think you received new festivals pop up, and I think ten years from now it will be shocked at how many live events you go to in an annual year. 00:29:24 Speaker 1: I agree, yeah, and I mean honestly. 00:29:27 Speaker 2: And the other thing is too. I know you've noticed if you go on YouTube, I think eighty percent of the of the advertisement I got on YouTube now ur ai. 00:29:33 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, have you noticed that, Oh yeah, totally. 00:29:35 Speaker 2: The voice doesn't line up with the AI person. The voice does it? Like so weird. 00:29:39 Speaker 1: Back to your back to your earlier point about if you were a marketing agency or. 00:29:43 Speaker 2: You like. 00:29:46 Speaker 1: You don't those people those people's jobs to create ads that now could be created by AI. It's like that is photographers, great assistance, makeup artists, actors, like like there's nothing for anyone to do when it's all made, Like when it's all being made on the AI. 00:30:04 Speaker 2: And you're you're, we're we are I think fifteen years I think away maybe less from from the Tesla and in Boston Dynamics from their robots, yeah, doing manual field labor. Yeah no, I totally think about how many tens of thousands of people right now that that you know, legal and illegal immigrants that we have in the US that put food on the table. 00:30:32 Speaker 1: And and you have replaced by like humanoid looking right now. 00:30:35 Speaker 2: I'm just like, I try not to go fully dystopian. 00:30:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do that, but just living in your moment. 00:30:40 Speaker 2: I know I'm living, I live in the moment, but I'm also just not an idiot. 00:30:43 Speaker 1: So I just know you have to be aware of what yeah, I'm. 00:30:45 Speaker 2: Just aware and I'm just like thinking of all the things. 00:30:46

Speaker 1: Like you know, they did say that that Ai there was no ever meant to take take the fun jobs, you know, like and it seems to have taken the creative fun jobs first and anyway, But the last thing I want to talk to you about quickly F one. 00:30:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, F one. 00:31:00 Speaker 1: Ricing, cause yeah, I love it, have been obsessed with it. I love that everybody else is finally final IF one and ricing and that's really like that's popping off here in America now right. You have three rices a year on the calendar. 00:31:11 Speaker 2: That's going crazy. We've We've played the last two Vegas f ones. I've just played Singapore F one. We've kind of become the thing to go to, the F one Global, the head of events and everything. I spent a whole bunch of time with them. We've kind of become their like one of their go to acts for all the F one around the world, which is great for us. Get to travel, you see some. 00:31:30 Speaker 1: Stuff, some pit access and oh yeah. 00:31:32 Speaker 2: I did the McLaren experience last time and Vegas it scared the hell out of me. Yeah, I think that I think that F one is finally having its moment. To the point I was making earlier, it's going to get even bigger. Yeah, being I got roped in to be a part of the soundtrack, but in December I wrote the theme song to the movie with Hans Zimmer. Yeah, and Doja Cat, which is crazy. And then obviously uh Tate McCrae, uh just keep watching, which is thankful, thank god turned into a hit again. You just don't we have we have tamacree, we have the biggest movie in the world. The song sounds like a hit, and then like you just don't know, something comes out like yeah, the things you count on don't work, and the things you didn't see coming absolutely go crazy. You just never know. But I'm so excited that if one has has has taken root here it's I just never thought it was going to happen. 00:32:19 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's only getting bigger. Oh my god, it's only getting. 00:32:22 Speaker 2: It's getting it's it's going to get absolutely absolutely crazy. 00:32:26 Speaker 1: Well, we'll see you in Australian February. Yeah, you've got seven shows. Yeah, the band is going to be down Under first time in years. 00:32:33 Speaker 2: First it'll be it'll have been two, three, three, years, three years, three year. 00:32:38 Speaker 1: We're looking forward it, we're looking forward to having you. You know, thanks for making time on your birthday. Enjoy the rest of your crumbled cookie, which I slowly ate throughout that whole interview. And I can tell you right now you should have invested. You should have like I mean, it's your losses. 00:32:54 Speaker 2: What a bummer. 00:32:55 Speaker 1: Now I'm about to go home and take some meetings with startups. 00:32:58 Speaker 3: Are you like shaking the sugar cookie? 00:33:00 Speaker 1: I don't need half the Okay, that's right, Yeah, half the cookie's fine. If I had a fool one. 00:33:04 Speaker 2: Oh man, I would be fun. I watched a guy. 00:33:06 Speaker 1: I watched a guy. 00:33:06 Speaker 2: You're doing a what's it called muck bang? 00:33:09 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I want I want muck bang a whole. 00:33:11 Speaker 2: I watched him three boxes. I watched him ukbang, three boxes. 00:33:15 Speaker 1: Three boxes of crumbles. 00:33:16 Speaker 2: I nearly died. I forwarded It's like twenty fo Yeah, yeah you're not. You're not gonna believe this. 00:33:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, he nearly died. 00:33:22 Speaker 2: He is he needs help. 00:33:23 Speaker 1: Wow. 00:33:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well thanks for hanging man night. 00:33:25 Speaker 1: Thanks appreciate it. Thanks for talking about you. Were listening to the Smallzy Surgery podcast. Here more from Smallsy Live weeknights from eight only on Nova