Full Transcript for #576 - Electronic Murder Bread Crumbs - Longmont, Colorado

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Anybody $ 5 a 48 00:02:40.310 --> 00:02:42.330 month or above. You get everything. You get a whole 49 00:02:42.389 --> 00:02:44.889 back catalog with hundreds and hundreds of episodes that you've 50 00:02:44.930 --> 00:02:47.939 never heard before of bonus stuff. New ones every other week, 51 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:50.319 including this week, where you get one crime in sports, 52 00:02:50.419 --> 00:02:53.340 one small-town murder, and you get it all, everybody. All 53 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:53.819 of it. 54 00:02:53.860 --> 00:02:54.210 All of it. 55 00:02:54.259 --> 00:02:57.250 This week for crime in sports, we're going to talk 56 00:02:57.259 --> 00:03:00.909 about the Miami Dolphins bullying scandal back in 2012 or 57 00:03:00.909 --> 00:03:04.270 13 there. New stuff has come out recently, so we're 58 00:03:04.289 --> 00:03:07.610 going to get into that. And then small-town murder, the 59 00:03:07.750 --> 00:03:12.129 Amazon review killer, who's a crazy serial killer who held 60 00:03:12.189 --> 00:03:16.340 women hostage for his own crazy uses and then left 61 00:03:16.409 --> 00:03:21.050 reviews of the items of his murder implements on Amazon. 62 00:03:21.270 --> 00:03:24.530 Truthful reviews of, you know, you can, you know, this'll 63 00:03:24.569 --> 00:03:27.689 keep a woman locked away for months at a time. 64 00:03:27.750 --> 00:03:30.330 And like, people were like, ha ha laughing and finding 65 00:03:30.370 --> 00:03:32.610 it helpful. It's crazy stuff. We'll get into all that 66 00:03:32.669 --> 00:03:37.080 and more patrion.com slash crime in sports. That said, I 67 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:39.620 think it's time. Let's get into this here. I think 68 00:03:39.659 --> 00:03:42.520 it's time to sit back. Let's call clear the lungs 69 00:03:42.819 --> 00:03:43.900 and let's all shout. 70 00:03:45.300 --> 00:03:51.639 Shut up and give me murder. 71 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.979 Let's do this, everybody. Okay. Let's go on a trip, 72 00:03:55.060 --> 00:03:57.680 shall we? Yeah. We are going to Colorado here. 73 00:03:58.590 --> 00:03:59.310 Lovely place. 74 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:03.710 Lovely place. We all like Colorado. Pretty. This is Longmont, Colorado. 75 00:04:03.729 --> 00:04:04.770 It's a good place. 76 00:04:04.810 --> 00:04:08.530 Which is a Denver suburb, basically. Yeah. But in Denver, 77 00:04:08.569 --> 00:04:12.180 the suburbs are far. Denver's spread out. The airport in 78 00:04:12.219 --> 00:04:16.439 Denver is like an hour from Denver. So everything's far here. 79 00:04:16.540 --> 00:04:18.459 So when we say a suburb, it's not like, oh, 80 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:20.680 you could just drive to downtown Denver in five minutes. 81 00:04:20.699 --> 00:04:24.680 This is about 50 minutes to downtown Denver. So it's 82 00:04:24.740 --> 00:04:27.100 out there. Yeah, it's all out there. It's about four 83 00:04:27.139 --> 00:04:30.180 hours to Aspen, Colorado, which is not only a beautiful 84 00:04:30.220 --> 00:04:33.930 resort town, but also the location of our last Colorado episode, 85 00:04:34.569 --> 00:04:38.189 episode 527, Killing the Princess. So that was, I remember 86 00:04:38.230 --> 00:04:40.899 that one. That was fun. This is in both Boulder 87 00:04:41.019 --> 00:04:45.860 and Weld counties. The town kind of overlaps there. Population 88 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:52.550 here is 98,789. And it's a suburb, but it's very suburb-y. 89 00:04:53.009 --> 00:04:55.709 It's not a city. It's spread out. It definitely fits 90 00:04:55.730 --> 00:04:56.689 small town. When you're that far. 91 00:04:56.649 --> 00:05:00.829 From downtown, you stick around right out there. Yeah. You 92 00:05:00.850 --> 00:05:01.490 keep it central. 93 00:05:01.550 --> 00:05:04.490 And even like all the reviews are like this small town, 94 00:05:04.529 --> 00:05:07.209 very small town. Like everybody, it has that feel. So 95 00:05:07.230 --> 00:05:12.819 it definitely fits. Median household income here is $ 83, 104, which 96 00:05:12.860 --> 00:05:15.920 is above the national average by almost 15 grand. And 97 00:05:15.939 --> 00:05:18.300 then the median home price here, it's pricey. Denver's a 98 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:24.350 pricey market. Here it is $ 535, 800 to live an hour 99 00:05:24.430 --> 00:05:29.050 outside the city, basically. That is brutal, man. A little 100 00:05:29.069 --> 00:05:32.750 bit of history here. Longmont was founded in 1871 by 101 00:05:32.810 --> 00:05:34.509 a group of people from Chicago. 102 00:05:35.389 --> 00:05:35.670 Really? 103 00:05:35.709 --> 00:05:38.810 Yeah, a bunch of Chicago people. It was originally called 104 00:05:38.870 --> 00:05:43.790 the Chicago, Colorado Colony. That's what it was originally called. Yeah, 105 00:05:43.870 --> 00:05:48.790 that is fucking wild, which is insane. These men sold 106 00:05:48.930 --> 00:05:52.750 memberships in the town. They purchased the land necessary for 107 00:05:52.790 --> 00:05:54.949 the town hall with the proceeds. That's how they did it. 108

00:05:54.939 --> 00:05:55.509 They were like, well. 109 00:05:55.750 --> 00:05:57.740 It's a long ride to the country club. 110 00:05:57.810 --> 00:06:01.939 I would say so. This is the first planned community 111 00:06:01.980 --> 00:06:04.720 in Boulder County, and the city streets were laid out 112 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.829 in a grid plan within a square mile. Yeah. It 113 00:06:07.870 --> 00:06:09.980 was boring right from the start. They laid it out 114 00:06:10.060 --> 00:06:12.600 as this is going to be the burbs, babe. It 115 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:16.319 began to really pick up as an agricultural community after 116 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:18.439 the railroad arrived when they can take the stuff out 117 00:06:18.459 --> 00:06:21.879 of there. And then it, who knows, and it developed. 118 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:24.050 I think that's still, I don't know what they're growing. 119 00:06:24.069 --> 00:06:25.550 I guess wheat. That's all I could think of that 120 00:06:25.569 --> 00:06:27.649 would grow there. So I'm sure there's other shit, but 121 00:06:27.689 --> 00:06:30.350 I know wheat is that area. That's the wheat belt. 122 00:06:30.610 --> 00:06:33.329 Probably feeding Coors Brewery. 123 00:06:33.569 --> 00:06:33.910 Maybe. 124 00:06:33.930 --> 00:06:34.389 Yeah. 125 00:06:34.620 --> 00:06:37.000 No shit. So but then after that, it kind of 126 00:06:37.009 --> 00:06:39.100 became just like a suburb. And that's what it's been 127 00:06:39.300 --> 00:06:41.279 since then. So a few reviews of this town to 128 00:06:41.300 --> 00:06:44.379 give you an idea of what it's like here. Five stars. 129 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:48.120 Longmont is a nice and growing community north of Denver 130 00:06:48.220 --> 00:06:52.019 and east of Boulder. It's a very family friendly. It 131 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:54.639 is very family friendly with a vast system of parks 132 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:57.910 and running trails. The commute is great, and it still 133 00:06:57.970 --> 00:07:01.910 has a vibrate Main Street area. 134 00:07:02.850 --> 00:07:03.529 Vibrates. 135 00:07:03.569 --> 00:07:08.889 Vibrates. Vibrate Main Street area with a small town feel. 136 00:07:09.050 --> 00:07:11.970 Downtown is very popular with the ladies, Main Street. 137 00:07:12.569 --> 00:07:15.610 The sidewalks are just mind-blowing. They're sitting there like there's 138 00:07:15.629 --> 00:07:16.449 a parade coming. 139 00:07:16.870 --> 00:07:18.769 They just sit on the ground and look happy. I 140 00:07:18.810 --> 00:07:22.209 don't understand it. Here's three stars. I grew up here, 141 00:07:22.290 --> 00:07:25.050 and it's still my permanent residence. However, I moved away 142 00:07:25.089 --> 00:07:28.009 for college. As a kid, there's not much to do here. 143 00:07:28.329 --> 00:07:31.430 There's a lot of issues with teenagers and drugs. Gee, 144 00:07:31.470 --> 00:07:34.930 I'm sure that's really unique to this area, that teenagers 145 00:07:34.970 --> 00:07:35.850 do drugs sometimes. 146 00:07:36.029 --> 00:07:37.029 Welcome to America. 147 00:07:37.149 --> 00:07:41.589 Jesus. It's like a small town with way too many people. 148 00:07:41.850 --> 00:07:45.230 Everyone knows everyone and not in a good way. Wow. 149 00:07:45.269 --> 00:07:46.750 Everyone's nosy is what they're saying. 150 00:07:46.930 --> 00:07:49.050 That many people and we still know everybody. 151 00:07:49.129 --> 00:07:51.689 Still know everybody. That's what I mean. It really feels 152 00:07:51.709 --> 00:07:53.490 like a small town from the way everybody talks about it. 153 00:07:53.490 --> 00:07:53.970 And who the fuck? 154 00:07:54.990 --> 00:07:58.870 Is a psycho and enjoys their commute to Denver. It's 155 00:07:58.970 --> 00:08:01.050 a great commute. It's a nightmare. 156 00:08:01.050 --> 00:08:03.699 50 minutes of bliss, baby. That's it. I'm going. I'm 157 00:08:03.740 --> 00:08:06.339 getting in my car. I can't wait. 158 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:08.160 All this stop and go. I love it. 159 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.540 Maybe they listen to this show and they're excited that 160 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.040 they get a chance to hear the whole podcast. 161 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:15.000 I get a whole hour into this thing and then 162 00:08:15.019 --> 00:08:16.779 I get to sit down and listen to this in 163 00:08:16.819 --> 00:08:17.259 the queue. 164 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:21.639 Here's three stars. This town is right in the middle. 165 00:08:22.139 --> 00:08:26.819 Not rural or overpopulated, hot or cold, conservative or liberal. 166 00:08:26.980 --> 00:08:29.819 Everything about this town is very average, and that's okay. 167 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:35.279 That's okay. I don't know. That person is very easily pleased, 168 00:08:35.370 --> 00:08:35.850 I feel like. 169 00:08:35.909 --> 00:08:37.169 Honestly. 170 00:08:37.789 --> 00:08:42.769 Easily satisfied. And finally, one star. Nasty, spiteful, awful people 171 00:08:42.970 --> 00:08:47.769 who treat service workers terribly. Don't recommend moving here. Zero 172 00:08:47.870 --> 00:08:51.009 empathy for other human beings whatsoever. And that's all caps. 173 00:08:51.580 --> 00:08:54.779 Rude and unkind. Well, you already said nasty, spiteful, and awful. 174 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:56.600 Do you need to add rude? There's a lot of adjectives. 175 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:01.840 Absolutely the worst interactions had in years. So that's interesting. 176 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:05.179 Things to do here. There's a bunch, but this is 177 00:09:05.220 --> 00:09:08.809 the Winter Walkabout Music Showcase. I guess they do this 178 00:09:08.889 --> 00:09:11.250 every year in the beginning of February. So we just 179 00:09:11.309 --> 00:09:15.549 missed it. Presented by the old Flatirons Bank. It's over. Yeah. 180 00:09:15.549 --> 00:09:22.509 16 venues, 60 performances, and one all-inclusive ticket. So you 181 00:09:22.549 --> 00:09:25.320 can drive all over town going to see these bands. 182

00:09:25.789 --> 00:09:28.320 And I'll give you some of the bands here. I 183 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:30.080 have never heard of any of these people. 184 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:30.580 No? 185 00:09:30.620 --> 00:09:33.340 So maybe you have. I'm not sure. It's probably country. 186 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.320 Megan Burt with two Ts. 187 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:39.379 Not that one. That's way too close to butt, by 188 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:39.679 the way. 189 00:09:39.700 --> 00:09:42.580 You can't put two Ts, right? No. I was hoping 190 00:09:42.620 --> 00:09:44.870 you would. Catch on to that, because I'm like, with 191 00:09:45.129 --> 00:09:46.840 two Ts, B-U-R-T-T. You're going to. 192 00:09:46.740 --> 00:09:50.200 Approach the music industry with a last name that close 193 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:50.919 to butt? 194 00:09:50.940 --> 00:09:55.090 Come on. Megan Butt. Augustus will be there. Okay. I'm 195 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:55.830 just declaring. 196 00:09:57.169 --> 00:09:59.639 Well, he dropped the galoop That's maybe. 197 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:02.320 I was thinking he was going to say he was 198 00:10:02.379 --> 00:10:06.440 taking over as emperor. I'm not sure. The Black Hole 199 00:10:06.539 --> 00:10:07.279 Boogie Band. 200 00:10:08.019 --> 00:10:08.840 Hell yeah. 201 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:11.080 Beats me. I don't know what the fuck that is, 202 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:17.299 but great. Erica Brown with MJ and the Side Gig. 203 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.480 That's too many people. You know what you should do 204 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:22.620 with that many people? Get a band name and call 205 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.159 yourselves that. Rather than just name all the people in 206 00:10:25.179 --> 00:10:26.149 the band as your band name. 207 00:10:26.269 --> 00:10:29.950 Yeah, they don't say John Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora. 208 00:10:30.649 --> 00:10:33.070 And the backer guys. Bon Jovi. 209 00:10:33.090 --> 00:10:34.389 And the other guys you don't know. 210 00:10:34.750 --> 00:10:37.429 Yeah, pick a name. Something catchy. And Erica Brown with 211 00:10:37.610 --> 00:10:40.889 MJ and the side gig is not catchy. It's not working. 212 00:10:41.250 --> 00:10:46.429 The Tribonacci Trio. It sounds like some mother that's forcing 213 00:10:46.470 --> 00:10:48.740 her three Italian sons to sing. Like, we don't want 214 00:10:48.769 --> 00:10:51.299 to sing, Ma. Like, get your asses out there and sing. 215 00:10:51.340 --> 00:10:53.740 And they're like, okay. You sing like angels. 216 00:10:53.779 --> 00:10:55.440 Get out there. All right, Ma. 217 00:10:56.580 --> 00:11:04.159 Annika and the Obsession. The Rampart Street Stompers. Ain't From Here. 218 00:11:04.179 --> 00:11:10.490 All right. Okay. Assume that's country. The Mile High Brass Band. 219 00:11:11.269 --> 00:11:13.350 Mackenzie Ray and Buckshot Moon. 220 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:15.519 This is bad. 221 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:19.460 Queso raw, like queso raw, but queso like the cheese. 222 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:21.419 That's the weirdest. 223 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:23.879 So we do. We sprinkle a little Mexican in there. 224 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:29.179 I guess so. Fox Feather. Jesus. Sturtz. La Pomp. Gabrielle 225 00:11:29.470 --> 00:11:32.730 Mervine Quartet. I could go on, but I think you 226 00:11:32.750 --> 00:11:34.909 get the fucking picture. A bunch of people you've never 227 00:11:35.129 --> 00:11:35.470 heard of. 228 00:11:35.470 --> 00:11:36.070 Fucking locals. 229 00:11:36.090 --> 00:11:38.970 I've never heard of any of these people. Yeah, none 230 00:11:38.990 --> 00:11:42.149 of these people at all. So there you go. Banana Bangs. 231 00:11:42.330 --> 00:11:43.629 That's a bad name. Yeah. 232 00:11:44.539 --> 00:11:45.740 Almost Rama. Not quite. 233 00:11:45.820 --> 00:11:48.870 I'm not sure what's happening there. That said, let's talk 234 00:11:48.929 --> 00:11:52.250 about a murder. Forget these unknown bands that I have 235 00:11:52.289 --> 00:11:55.309 never heard of. Let's talk about a murder. Let's start out. 236 00:11:55.350 --> 00:11:58.519 This is going to be real recent, too. Yeah. Real recent. 237 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:01.960 October 13th, 2021. Let's start out. 238 00:12:02.299 --> 00:12:03.059 Golly. 239 00:12:03.220 --> 00:12:08.220 Real fucking recent. Yeah. This is crazy. It is 1232 p.m. 240 00:12:09.299 --> 00:12:15.090 in Longmont. Okay. Okay. 9-11, or 9-11, 9-1-1 calls, 9-11. 241 00:12:15.809 --> 00:12:18.519 I say like I live in another country. Some countries 242 00:12:18.539 --> 00:12:20.179 say 9-11 when they're talking about. 243 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:21.820 So do 70-year-old men. 244 00:12:21.860 --> 00:12:22.129 They do. 245 00:12:22.139 --> 00:12:24.419 My dad says it, and I'm going, stop saying that. 246 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:28.539 I looked at it as like September 11th when I 247 00:12:28.580 --> 00:12:29.870 saw it. Yeah, right. When I read it in my 248 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:31.370 own handwriting of 9-11. 249 00:12:31.470 --> 00:12:34.409 He's like, if I fall down, call 9-11. I'm like, 250 00:12:34.649 --> 00:12:35.289 why do you say that? 251 00:12:35.309 --> 00:12:36.129 Why do you say that? 252 00:12:36.230 --> 00:12:38.129 What are you doing? 253 00:12:38.149 --> 00:12:39.889 9-1-1 is less syllables. It makes no sense. 254 00:12:40.570 --> 00:12:42.730 There's no 11 button, so I'm dialing 911. 255 00:12:42.730 --> 00:12:46.970 How about that? So they receive a call, 911 does, 256 00:12:47.149 --> 00:12:51.559 from 2010 Sicily Circle, which is the address they get 257 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:54.519 it from. And it is advising that shots have, they 258 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:59.179 heard shots fired. And we'll see from surveillance cameras in 259 00:12:59.220 --> 00:13:02.200 the neighborhood that you can hear, I mean, clearly four 260 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:05.409 shots ring out. It's one, two, three, and then a 261 00:13:05.470 --> 00:13:10.590 fourth with a pause.

And it is, you know, Knowing 262 00:13:10.610 --> 00:13:15.309 what happened, it's pretty disturbing to see these videos. So 263 00:13:15.590 --> 00:13:20.190 they get a call here. Now, it's a woman saying 264 00:13:20.250 --> 00:13:22.840 that a postal worker was shot at the end of 265 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:28.039 their driveway. They said, our mailman has been, someone shot him. 266 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.059 And we saw, you know, somebody running away. We saw 267 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.159 a man with a hoodie on and a blue mask 268 00:13:33.220 --> 00:13:34.059 running away from it. 269 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.889 A fella chased down the mailman. What, he maced your dog? 270 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:38.840 The mailman. What happened? 271 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:42.230 Dude, I mean, I said no more catalogs. Like, what 272 00:13:42.250 --> 00:13:44.330 the fuck do you want from this guy? He's a mailman. 273 00:13:44.350 --> 00:13:47.269 Dropping off another advertisement for solar. I swear to Christ. 274 00:13:47.690 --> 00:13:49.889 And I had a pain in the ass mailman at 275 00:13:49.970 --> 00:13:51.929 one point, and I still wouldn't have shot him. That's 276 00:13:52.009 --> 00:13:54.480 a little much. I can... You know, what do I 277 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:56.590 got a 30 second interaction with him? I can make 278 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.350 it at most if I have to sign for something. 279 00:13:59.409 --> 00:14:01.230 Oh, God, he's got so much work to do. 280 00:14:01.269 --> 00:14:04.769 He's got a lot going on here. So the they 281 00:14:05.490 --> 00:14:08.429 this woman is saying to like it's outside. I don't know. 282 00:14:08.490 --> 00:14:11.840 He's outside. And my neighbor's out there. So the 911 283 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:15.360 operator is like, can you please go outside? 284 00:14:15.889 --> 00:14:20.090 Yeah, it's 2021. Take your cordless shit out there. You're 285 00:14:20.129 --> 00:14:21.049 still tethered to the wall? 286 00:14:21.070 --> 00:14:22.629 No, she's on her cell phone, but she's saying, I 287 00:14:22.889 --> 00:14:24.190 don't want to go out there. I'm afraid to go 288 00:14:24.269 --> 00:14:26.509 out there because I don't know if this person's going 289 00:14:26.529 --> 00:14:28.590 to come back. She said, one of my other neighbors 290 00:14:28.649 --> 00:14:32.049 is out there with this postal worker, and I don't know. 291 00:14:32.090 --> 00:14:33.909 I don't want to go out there. So the 911 292 00:14:33.909 --> 00:14:36.549 person's like, you got to go out there. I need information. 293 00:14:36.570 --> 00:14:38.409 You have to go tell me if this person's breathing. 294 00:14:38.429 --> 00:14:39.029 You have to tell me. 295 00:14:39.049 --> 00:14:40.570 Go put that guy on the phone. 296 00:14:40.610 --> 00:14:42.990 Whatever. It's another lady out there, too. So there's two 297 00:14:43.049 --> 00:14:46.649 older ladies that are hovered over this guy. So they 298 00:14:46.669 --> 00:14:50.250 said

a man in a dark-colored hoodie, possibly wearing a 299 00:14:50.289 --> 00:14:55.110 blue mask, seen running southeast from the location. This 911 300 00:14:55.110 --> 00:14:59.379 call is frustrating, too. This operator is two seconds away 301 00:14:59.409 --> 00:15:02.519 from calling this lady a bitch. Like, it is two seconds. 302 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:07.220 The 911 operator lady on the phone is pissed at 303 00:15:07.259 --> 00:15:09.259 this lady because she's like, go over there and look 304 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.039 at him. Is he breathing? And she goes, I'll go 305 00:15:12.100 --> 00:15:16.440 out there. I guess, okay. And she's so casual about this. 306 00:15:17.379 --> 00:15:21.159 And she's like, oh, he's bleeding. And they're like, from where? 307 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:25.960 She's like, I don't know. Look, from the mouth, I guess. 308 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:29.559 And they're like, okay, can you see? Where is he shot? 309 00:15:29.970 --> 00:15:32.409 Is he breathing? And she's like, I think he's breathing. 310 00:15:32.730 --> 00:15:36.509 And they're like, well, you need to perform CPR. Can 311 00:15:36.549 --> 00:15:39.070 you get down there, check to see if he's breathing 312 00:15:39.110 --> 00:15:40.909 and perform CPR? And she's like, I don't know how 313 00:15:40.950 --> 00:15:44.009 to perform CPR. I'm not doing that. And the lady's like, 314 00:15:44.110 --> 00:15:46.909 someone's got to perform CPR. She's like, I don't care 315 00:15:46.929 --> 00:15:48.169 if you know or not. I'll fucking tell you how 316 00:15:48.210 --> 00:15:50.289 to do it. She's like, ask the lady with you. 317 00:15:50.330 --> 00:15:53.269 Does she know CPR? Is someone willing to do CPR? 318 00:15:53.289 --> 00:15:58.049 This lady would not go near this man. Basically, she 319 00:15:58.090 --> 00:16:03.580 did everything but say gross. It's like, dude, help this guy. 320 00:16:03.590 --> 00:16:05.690 You don't understand how messy this is. Can you send 321 00:16:05.710 --> 00:16:07.110 somebody qualified for that? 322 00:16:07.330 --> 00:16:10.629 If I'm ever shot and killed and this lady's calling 911, 323 00:16:10.629 --> 00:16:13.830 I'm going to be fucking upset. And then at one 324 00:16:13.850 --> 00:16:15.889 point she's like, no, I don't think he's breathing anymore. 325 00:16:17.389 --> 00:16:18.629 And what? Yeah. 326 00:16:18.750 --> 00:16:21.610 And then the 911 operators like, can you get down 327 00:16:21.690 --> 00:16:24.429 and first of all, make sure he's not breathing and 328 00:16:24.470 --> 00:16:26.929 then start fucking CPR if he's not breathing. 329 00:16:27.250 --> 00:16:29.279 And she's a real casual ass way to say, I 330 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:30.620 think I just watched him die. 331 00:16:30.700 --> 00:16:33.120 I think this guy just died in my driveway. Right. 332 00:16:33.220 --> 00:16:35.820 And then she's like, I don't know. Like she's like 333 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:39.240 not do it. And the lady's like, ma'am, ma'am. And 334 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:42.000 then then she goes, the lady on the other lines like, oh, well, 335 00:16:42.019 --> 00:16:44.000 the police are here now, so I'll let them handle it. 336 00:16:45.289 --> 00:16:49.090 The police don't do that. The 911 lady just goes, yeah, 337 00:16:49.149 --> 00:16:51.330 just do that. Just do that. And hangs up. She's 338 00:16:51.350 --> 00:16:53.990 just like, I want to fucking strangle you, you asshole. 339 00:16:54.210 --> 00:16:58.379 You're making my job really difficult. So anyway, this poor 340 00:16:58.460 --> 00:17:02.059 postal worker is shot four times and dies in this neighborhood. 341 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:03.460 Jesus. 342 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:05.400 In front of a bank of mailboxes. It's one of 343 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:07.559 those neighborhoods that has the banks of mailboxes where you 344 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:09.519 got to stop and walk down to you. Yeah, it's 345 00:17:09.579 --> 00:17:12.200 one of those. And so he's laying there. He has 346 00:17:12.299 --> 00:17:14.960 got three gunshot wounds to the body and a gunshot 347 00:17:14.980 --> 00:17:15.859 wound to the face. 348 00:17:17.420 --> 00:17:17.799 Oh, wow. 349 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:19.900 To the face. I think it was one, two, three 350 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.140 to the body and then one to the face after that. 351 00:17:22.740 --> 00:17:23.849 Oh, to make sure. 352 00:17:24.289 --> 00:17:26.950 To make sure. So this is like someone's really mad 353 00:17:26.990 --> 00:17:30.849 about too many Publishers Clearinghouse fucking advertisements coming to them. 354 00:17:31.470 --> 00:17:32.630 I don't know what's going on here. 355 00:17:32.650 --> 00:17:34.609 The man's never showing up yet while he's dead. 356 00:17:35.089 --> 00:17:37.390 He's all dead. So this was next to a, near 357 00:17:37.410 --> 00:17:40.359 a cluster of mailboxes on Heather Hill street, just West 358 00:17:40.390 --> 00:17:46.119 of Renaissance drive. And, um, so they, there's different varying 359 00:17:46.500 --> 00:17:48.980 witness statements as far as how many gunshots. Some people 360 00:17:49.019 --> 00:17:51.579 heard five, some people are three it's four based on 361 00:17:51.619 --> 00:17:54.769 the video that I heard. I heard four. So, um, 362 00:17:54.849 --> 00:17:58.210 and this is 1232 PM middle of the day, middle 363 00:17:58.230 --> 00:18:01.450 of the day. Yeah. It's the weirdest thing. So, They 364 00:18:01.650 --> 00:18:06.970 find that the mail carrier, his name is Jason Schaefer, 365 00:18:07.710 --> 00:18:11.880 and he's born in 1988, and he has a five-year-old son. 366 00:18:11.900 --> 00:18:16.339 He's considered a real nice guy. People in the neighborhood 367 00:18:16.380 --> 00:18:18.460 talk about how he brings the mail up to the 368 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.539 door for elderly people who have mobility problems and shit. 369 00:18:23.089 --> 00:18:25.789 Real nice guy. Everybody says, oh, even as a

mailman, 370 00:18:25.829 --> 00:18:26.650 he's just a good guy. 371 00:18:27.430 --> 00:18:29.359 My mailman's still bringing me other people's mail. 372 00:18:29.660 --> 00:18:31.319 I get shit. Yeah, I get shit from other people 373 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:33.839 all the time. And they know exactly. You know exactly 374 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:34.990 who we are here. Damn it. 375 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:37.900 You know what? The number's right on the fucking box. 376 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:38.339 On the box. 377 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:39.400 Stop putting other numbers in there. 378 00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:44.390 So after the scene cleared, all the neighbors were all 379 00:18:44.430 --> 00:18:46.369 gathered around the whole thing. They all went and got 380 00:18:46.390 --> 00:18:48.990 their fucking mail that he just dropped off. They were like, well, 381 00:18:49.049 --> 00:18:51.049 I guess I got nothing else. So they all went 382 00:18:51.089 --> 00:18:51.839 to the mailbox. 383 00:18:52.430 --> 00:18:53.720 Frame it. It's his last one. 384 00:18:53.740 --> 00:18:57.380 That's it. So. Um, the neighbors, here's one person said, 385 00:18:57.420 --> 00:19:00.359 it's so sad. This poor person was just doing their job. 386 00:19:00.660 --> 00:19:03.349 You're in a peaceful area, a beautiful neighborhood. You would 387 00:19:03.430 --> 00:19:06.849 never think once that this would happen to you. She said, 388 00:19:06.890 --> 00:19:10.809 she's had wonderful conversations with her mail carrier. She says, 389 00:19:10.869 --> 00:19:15.349 I'm really just heartbroken for them just doing their daily job. Uh, 390 00:19:15.549 --> 00:19:18.619 one other delivery worker said that the, he quote, never 391 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:21.579 really had any encounters on that street or anything like that. 392 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:24.240 and said it's definitely a shame, too, that this happened, 393 00:19:24.339 --> 00:19:30.039 whatever the reason. Someone else said, you wouldn't expect like 394 00:19:30.099 --> 00:19:32.799 your mailman would be hurt, I assume that's the tone 395 00:19:32.819 --> 00:19:35.700 of voice that's being said, or something would happen to him. 396 00:19:36.069 --> 00:19:38.509 This is a pretty nice neighborhood, I'd say, so it's 397 00:19:38.549 --> 00:19:42.259 just weird that it was right there in broad daylight, too. 398 00:19:42.259 --> 00:19:47.250 You stuck like in a place where like doesn't belong 399 00:19:47.250 --> 00:19:50.019 at all. So um people said that he was known 400 00:19:50.059 --> 00:19:53.140 throughout the neighborhood one guy said he hand delivered mail 401 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:55.130 to some of the houses because they weren't capable of 402 00:19:55.170 --> 00:19:59.309 getting to the mailbox um another guy um and then 403 00:19:59.329 --> 00:20:01.349 they so they're looking over this and they they think 404 00:20:01.369 --> 00:20:03.089 it seems like a pretty personal. 405 00:20:02.819 --> 00:20:05.059 Act It feels that way, yeah. 406 00:20:05.099 --> 00:20:07.619 Yeah, it doesn't seem like I'm mad about my mail 407 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:09.759 to shoot somebody that many times in the middle of 408 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:10.240 the street. 409 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:14.140 It doesn't seem like I'm mad at my ex-wife. There 410 00:20:14.180 --> 00:20:14.960 goes the mailman. 411 00:20:14.980 --> 00:20:16.299 I'll take it out on him. 412 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:17.000 Yeah, you know what? 413 00:20:17.019 --> 00:20:17.920 I also don't like him. 414 00:20:19.660 --> 00:20:20.759 That stupid fucking hat. 415 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.869 Is he fucking my wife? That's the only... I don't know. 416 00:20:24.569 --> 00:20:25.569 Yeah, stupid shorts. 417 00:20:26.220 --> 00:20:28.990 They're saying that this seems like somebody who wanted to 418 00:20:29.029 --> 00:20:32.210 look him in the eyes when they did what they did. Yeah. 419 00:20:32.230 --> 00:20:34.339 They shot him right in the face, so that's... That's 420 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:40.359 really personal. Real personal. So they describe the person they 421 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:42.740 saw as a man with a hoodie and a blue mask. 422 00:20:43.779 --> 00:20:48.220 And several cameras around the area caught the shooting as 423 00:20:48.299 --> 00:20:52.609 well as the suspect running through the neighborhood on various cameras. 424 00:20:52.630 --> 00:20:54.430 You can just put the footage together and make a 425 00:20:54.450 --> 00:20:57.769 whole movie out of it. People don't realize it's just 426 00:20:57.809 --> 00:21:00.869 like that guy, the Telus guy in Vegas. Remember the 427 00:21:00.890 --> 00:21:02.849 guy who was like a city council member who shot 428 00:21:02.950 --> 00:21:05.430 one of the other people? Oh, yeah. He's on like 429 00:21:05.589 --> 00:21:08.829 every camera. Like there's his car. There's him walking to it. 430 00:21:08.859 --> 00:21:11.319 There's another. And you could just connect the camera footage 431 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:13.039 to watch him come in and out of the neighborhood. 432 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:15.799 Like do people not realize that every single house has 433 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:17.000 a fucking camera on it now? 434 00:21:17.019 --> 00:21:17.799 Yeah. 435 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.700 I don't think they realize. Like it's crazy. So they 436 00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:27.809 all catch that. One person here from the police department 437 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:32.289 said one witness saw kind of this shadowy figure standing 438 00:21:32.349 --> 00:21:35.829 across the street almost like they were just waiting. Like 439 00:21:35.849 --> 00:21:38.009 they knew we were waiting at the mailboxes for him 440 00:21:38.029 --> 00:21:41.630 to show up. Um, another person said, whoever person they said, 441 00:21:41.670 --> 00:21:44.710 whoever this person was, they specifically had waited for Jason 442 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:48.059 to be by himself before

approaching from across the street. 443 00:21:48.500 --> 00:21:50.900 This was a strong indicator to us that this was planned. 444 00:21:52.460 --> 00:21:54.460 Nobody's just hanging out on the sidewalk. And then they're like, 445 00:21:54.539 --> 00:21:56.779 I'll shoot the mailman to death. Like that. That's odd. 446 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:01.059 So these video cameras here, um, they have one that 447 00:22:01.099 --> 00:22:04.299 has the shots heard and I've seen the video. And 448 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:06.759 you hear the shots, and then you see a small, 449 00:22:07.500 --> 00:22:13.910 dark-colored little SUV traveling westbound on Heather Hill Street. Okay. 450 00:22:13.930 --> 00:22:15.970 So they said it's unknown at the time if that 451 00:22:16.150 --> 00:22:18.210 vehicle was involved in the incident or not, but you 452 00:22:18.230 --> 00:22:20.650 can see it. You can also see a person running 453 00:22:20.750 --> 00:22:23.579 southeast across Heather Hill Street on these. 454 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:25.400 Like towards or away from that car? 455 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:29.319 Towards the car, yeah. Okay. So they said the one 456 00:22:29.380 --> 00:22:34.450 camera here found at 12.06, this is 6... 26 minutes 457 00:22:34.490 --> 00:22:38.660 before the shooting, that a black Nissan SUV missing the 458 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:43.339 right front passenger hubcap was seen driving past the residence, 459 00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:47.299 then back onto Summerlin Lane eastbound toward Renaissance Drive. 460 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:51.089 You better not ever commit a car or murder in 461 00:22:51.130 --> 00:22:54.490 front of in a car that. Is very easily identifiable. 462 00:22:55.230 --> 00:22:57.109 Yeah, a distinctive looking car. 463 00:22:58.490 --> 00:22:59.769 With missing a hubcap. 464 00:22:59.809 --> 00:23:02.930 Yeah, get yourself a white Chevy Malibu with all the hubcaps. 465 00:23:03.009 --> 00:23:06.480 Every rental car on earth, that's all they'll know. So 466 00:23:06.579 --> 00:23:09.759 another camera that was on the back of the house 467 00:23:10.900 --> 00:23:16.240 facing west toward Renaissance Drive got at 12.32 p.m. This 468 00:23:16.299 --> 00:23:20.279 video caught a person running southbound from where the incident happened. 469 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:25.299 They said the person didn't seem particularly tall and was 470 00:23:25.339 --> 00:23:28.140 wearing what appeared to be a long-sleeved, dark-colored top with 471 00:23:28.180 --> 00:23:31.279 a possible hood and dark-colored pants and a blue face 472 00:23:31.339 --> 00:23:37.680 mask again. So again, a resident here at 2420 Summerlin Court, 473 00:23:38.700 --> 00:23:41.549 they said that they saw a black SUV, which they 474 00:23:41.569 --> 00:23:45.490 thought was maybe a Subaru, backed into an access road 475 00:23:45.990 --> 00:23:49.049 to a field at the end of Renaissance and Summerlin Drive. 476 00:23:49.170 --> 00:23:52.279 So this is like a whole setup. Somebody was waiting. 477 00:23:52.299 --> 00:23:52.940 They had a car parked. 478 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:54.099 Chasing the joint, yeah. 479 00:23:54.140 --> 00:23:59.099 Yeah, this is crazy. So the postmaster arrives at the scene. 480 00:24:00.740 --> 00:24:01.460 The big boss. 481 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:03.920 Of the area. I'm sure it wasn't the United States 482 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:07.380 Postal Inspector General or whatever. I'm sure it was just 483 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:09.220 whoever ran. I don't know what he is. Runs the 484 00:24:09.269 --> 00:24:13.289 local post office. He shows up here and right away 485 00:24:13.890 --> 00:24:16.609 looks down, sees who it is, and says, quote, did 486 00:24:16.650 --> 00:24:21.319 the baby mama do it? That's his first statement is, 487 00:24:21.339 --> 00:24:24.980 did the baby mama do it? Which is interesting. Yeah. 488 00:24:25.420 --> 00:24:28.480 Very interesting. He does have a child, a five-year-old child, 489 00:24:29.180 --> 00:24:33.490 with a woman named Devin Rebecca Schreiner, who is a 490 00:24:33.529 --> 00:24:35.990 few years younger than him. She is born in August 491 00:24:36.009 --> 00:24:41.250 of 1995. And they had been having some contentious back 492 00:24:41.289 --> 00:24:44.880 and forth about custody of the kid. So they and 493 00:24:44.900 --> 00:24:47.259 the police start their investigation. They say, this is not 494 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:51.259 like a postal. This isn't business. He wasn't killed over business. 495 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:53.829 Probably probably has nothing to do with the post office. 496 00:24:54.740 --> 00:24:57.049 We're all upset about that rate hike in. 497 00:24:56.950 --> 00:25:02.109 The God damn fucking three cents. Really? So they look 498 00:25:02.170 --> 00:25:06.190 into his personal life. And of course, his ex-girlfriend, who, 499 00:25:06.589 --> 00:25:09.410 by the way, this guy knows the quote, baby mama, 500 00:25:09.490 --> 00:25:12.869 because she also is a post office worker. She's a mailman. 501 00:25:12.910 --> 00:25:13.569 Is that right? 502 00:25:13.589 --> 00:25:17.190 She's also a mail person. Okay. Yeah. So they both, 503 00:25:17.269 --> 00:25:19.759 they met while they were working for the U.S. Postal 504 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:23.180 Service back in 2013 or something. 505 00:25:23.660 --> 00:25:25.119 Is that a real incestuous group? 506 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.400 I guess so. I mean, I think everybody that works 507 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:29.640 together just fucks each other. That's just the way it works. 508 00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:30.660 Yeah, I suppose. 509 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.079 Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I'm not an office guy, 510 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:35.119 and you were in your truck the whole time dealing with, like, 511 00:25:36.369 --> 00:25:38.569 linemen and shit so probably wasn't the same for us 512 00:25:38.630 --> 00:25:41.190 but i think if you work them anyway no i 513 00:25:41.210

--> 00:25:43.170 would hope not you want to fuck a dirty guy 514 00:25:43.230 --> 00:25:43.970 named ralph. 515 00:25:46.450 --> 00:25:48.430 They all got nicknames of course. 516 00:25:48.269 --> 00:25:50.609 They do because their name's ralph nobody wants to go 517 00:25:50.630 --> 00:25:55.039 by that so uh their son was born in 2015 518 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:57.980 like we said and then they were not together very 519 00:25:58.019 --> 00:26:01.099 long after that and a little bit on devin schreiner 520 00:26:01.650 --> 00:26:04.930 She currently works at the Loveland Post Office. He works 521 00:26:04.970 --> 00:26:06.839 at the Longmont Post Office, Jason. 522 00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:07.839 She's on the other end. 523 00:26:07.900 --> 00:26:10.119 She works at the Loveland Post Office and lives in 524 00:26:10.180 --> 00:26:14.839 Fort Collins. Jason's mother said Jason wanted a family, so 525 00:26:14.859 --> 00:26:17.299 when Devin got pregnant, he was very happy, and we 526 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:20.690 were very happy for them. But right after the birth 527 00:26:20.730 --> 00:26:23.230 of the son, there was trouble, and apparently he moved 528 00:26:23.390 --> 00:26:25.349 out when the kid was about six months old. 529 00:26:26.329 --> 00:26:28.849 Shit, that's a fast relationship to sour. 530 00:26:29.299 --> 00:26:31.700 Quickly, yeah. They didn't even give it a chance to, 531 00:26:31.940 --> 00:26:33.650 we'll get through this first year and see if it 532 00:26:33.690 --> 00:26:34.490 gets any easier. 533 00:26:34.509 --> 00:26:36.490 He's still got a soft spot, for Christ's sake. 534 00:26:36.509 --> 00:26:39.730 That's crazy. Yeah, he's on stage one still, for fuck's sake. 535 00:26:39.750 --> 00:26:42.930 He's not even getting the little tiny chunks. So they 536 00:26:42.990 --> 00:26:47.170 break up. The mother, this is Jason's mother, said their 537 00:26:47.210 --> 00:26:50.299 values were not the same. She did not want to work. 538 00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:53.000 She felt she didn't have to work being a mother, 539 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:57.119 but you need two paychecks. Their relationship started to deteriorate 540 00:26:57.180 --> 00:26:59.500 and they broke up. Jason tried to get along and 541 00:26:59.539 --> 00:27:02.890 co-parent together, and that wasn't working very well. So Jason 542 00:27:02.910 --> 00:27:08.029 wound up getting a lawyer to set up a parenting plan. Oh, boy. 543 00:27:08.109 --> 00:27:10.710 They don't get along at all. As a matter of fact, 544 00:27:10.869 --> 00:27:13.250 it's been getting worse and worse and worse. And we'll 545 00:27:13.269 --> 00:27:18.410 tell you a few factors why. One is two weeks 546 00:27:18.490 --> 00:27:21.930 before this murder, she still worked at the Longmont post 547 00:27:22.029 --> 00:27:27.519 office with him. She got fired from there. for getting 548 00:27:27.579 --> 00:27:29.960 into a dispute with him at work. 549 00:27:32.190 --> 00:27:32.990 Holy. 550 00:27:33.069 --> 00:27:36.009 So that's the fucking thing. She got shit can from 551 00:27:36.029 --> 00:27:38.470 there for, and I guess it was, must've been her 552 00:27:38.609 --> 00:27:41.289 doing the driving of this because he, she's the one 553 00:27:41.309 --> 00:27:43.920 who got fired. She ends up moving over to the 554 00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:47.519 Loveland post office that week. She gets hired by them. 555 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:50.839 So she ends up with another postal job, but they 556 00:27:50.859 --> 00:27:52.559 were working together as of two weeks ago. 557 00:27:53.539 --> 00:27:53.880 Jesus. 558 00:27:54.339 --> 00:27:56.779 And a postal friend that knew both of them. A 559 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:00.009 postal friend? That's a weird way to put it. Sounds 560 00:28:00.029 --> 00:28:02.109 like she just mails her correspondence to you. 561 00:28:02.130 --> 00:28:05.029 They don't call themselves pen pals? 562 00:28:05.049 --> 00:28:08.529 I guess they should. So she said that they knew them, 563 00:28:08.950 --> 00:28:11.109 you know, she knew them both, this person, and said 564 00:28:11.269 --> 00:28:14.769 that Devin had worked at the Longmont post office for 565 00:28:14.789 --> 00:28:18.839 a long time. And the couple's son was the source 566 00:28:18.859 --> 00:28:23.240 of tension between the two. And several years ago, Jason 567 00:28:23.259 --> 00:28:26.119 had even filed a restraining order against her because they 568 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:26.720 had some problems. 569 00:28:26.740 --> 00:28:27.819 Before he got her pregnant. 570 00:28:28.299 --> 00:28:31.220 No, after. This is after they had kids. After they 571 00:28:31.259 --> 00:28:33.029 had the kid and they were broken up and fighting. 572 00:28:34.230 --> 00:28:37.049 The friend also said he was always concerned about whether 573 00:28:37.109 --> 00:28:39.809 or not Devin liked him or if Devin was okay. 574 00:28:40.890 --> 00:28:44.450 That's what this friend said about him and her. Now, 575 00:28:44.630 --> 00:28:47.410 two days earlier before the shooting. So that was two 576 00:28:47.450 --> 00:28:49.599 weeks earlier. She got fired and had to go get 577 00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:53.619 another job. with another post office, two days before he 578 00:28:53.660 --> 00:28:57.559 was killed, Jason filed for increased custody of his son. 579 00:28:58.240 --> 00:28:59.859 Two days. She was just. 580 00:28:59.900 --> 00:29:00.769 More kid, less money. 581 00:29:00.869 --> 00:29:03.200 She was just served the day before with the notice 582 00:29:03.220 --> 00:29:09.930 for it. Oh, shit. So, that's interesting. A county prosecutor 583 00:29:09.990 --> 00:29:12.049 later said, in looking at her phone, it was clear 584 00:29:12.069 --> 00:29:14.549 that she was served with paperwork. She was aware that 585 00:29:14.589 --> 00:29:18.380 he was seeking increased custody and time with their shared child. Hmm. 586 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.279 That's not good. And then if

that's not enough to cause, 587 00:29:21.339 --> 00:29:22.980 and that's enough to cause a lot of strife in 588 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:27.579 a relationship, here's the big kicker now. Oh? As of 589 00:29:27.740 --> 00:29:32.970 June of this year, for the last few months, Devin's sister, Rosa, 590 00:29:33.890 --> 00:29:37.390 has been living with Jason. She moved in there with him. 591 00:29:37.410 --> 00:29:41.400 They're in a relationship now. Rosa and... and devin hate 592 00:29:41.420 --> 00:29:44.640 each other now clearly this is not going well at 593 00:29:44.740 --> 00:29:46.400 all very. 594 00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:49.259 Bad he is going to be an uncle daddy he's. 595 00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:51.109 An uncle yeah she's going to be an auntie auntie 596 00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:51.710 mommy one of. 597 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.539 The two This is no good. 598 00:29:55.019 --> 00:29:58.700 So Jason's mother said just before the murder, Jason mentioned 599 00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:01.289 that his girlfriend Rosa was living with him. I didn't 600 00:30:01.309 --> 00:30:03.250 think it was a very good idea because Rosa was 601 00:30:03.289 --> 00:30:09.650 Devin's younger sister. I told Jason, younger sister too. I 602 00:30:09.730 --> 00:30:12.369 told Jason, quote, you've opened up a bad can of 603 00:30:12.390 --> 00:30:15.460 worms here. Yeah, that's not only a can of worms. 604 00:30:15.509 --> 00:30:16.660 They're all rotten in there. 605 00:30:16.769 --> 00:30:17.829 They're all dead. 606 00:30:18.170 --> 00:30:22.930 And rotted and festering. They all had like syphilis and shit. 607 00:30:22.950 --> 00:30:25.569 These are a can of dead syphilitic worms. 608 00:30:25.630 --> 00:30:28.750 Does she work for the mailbox people too? 609 00:30:28.769 --> 00:30:31.990 She does not that I know of. So this is 610 00:30:32.190 --> 00:30:37.839 fucking crazy. So between the last two weeks of time 611 00:30:38.130 --> 00:30:40.579 and the sister moving in, there's a lot of shit 612 00:30:40.619 --> 00:30:41.640 building up here. Oh, boy. 613 00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:45.779 I mean, if she didn't do it, she's got all 614 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:46.279 the reasons. 615 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.900 I mean, she's the unluckiest person in the world if 616 00:30:48.940 --> 00:30:53.150 she didn't do it. So then they figured out that Devin, 617 00:30:53.190 --> 00:30:55.289 they looked her up after hearing all this, they found 618 00:30:55.329 --> 00:30:59.549 out that she drives a 2017 black Nissan Rogue, which 619 00:30:59.609 --> 00:31:02.049 is a little SUV, a little black SUV. 620 00:31:02.630 --> 00:31:03.789 How many hubcaps she got? 621 00:31:03.849 --> 00:31:09.680 And she has a missing hubcap in her front right passenger. 622 00:31:09.740 --> 00:31:11.700 In the one that we need to be missing. 623 00:31:11.859 --> 00:31:14.519 Not good. As a matter of fact, yeah, you can 624 00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:17.700 see because they had an automated license plate

reader captured 625 00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:21.170 the vehicle in May of 2021. And it can be 626 00:31:21.230 --> 00:31:24.750 seen missing the right front passenger hubcap on that picture. 627 00:31:25.769 --> 00:31:29.670 She also has a new boyfriend. Also her. Not really new. 628 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:35.119 She's been knowing and seeing this guy for a long time. 629 00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.119 I'll tell you exactly how long because it's pretty gross. 630 00:31:38.420 --> 00:31:41.930 His name is Andrew James Ritchie. Goes by A.J., AJ. 631 00:31:42.130 --> 00:31:45.730 AJ Ritchie. He's a prison guard at Englewood Prison. 632 00:31:46.529 --> 00:31:47.019 Fantastic. 633 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.200 He's a CO. So, you know, he's a great guy, too. 634 00:31:49.220 --> 00:31:54.579 You never know. So they met when he was 20 635 00:31:54.579 --> 00:32:00.000 and she was, buckle up, everybody, 13. Oh, Jesus. That's 636 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:05.599 when they met. So there's been something going on since 637 00:32:05.859 --> 00:32:10.660 this time, allegedly, that's been going on here. Yeah. That's interesting. 638 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:12.000 This girl loves a federal employee. 639 00:32:12.140 --> 00:32:14.619 She just loves a man in uniform. She doesn't give 640 00:32:14.660 --> 00:32:18.640 a fuck what the uniform is. It doesn't matter. I 641 00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:21.970 like a guy with steady benefits, okay? Get over your 642 00:32:22.069 --> 00:32:27.009 auto zone. So this is one of the people here, 643 00:32:27.049 --> 00:32:29.789 the police people said they learned that Devin Schreiner was 644 00:32:29.849 --> 00:32:32.900 not happy about Jason dating her sister. We know that 645 00:32:32.980 --> 00:32:36.599 for sure. She had vented to multiple friends, including A.J. Ritchie, 646 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:40.589 about her anger at the situation. including saying such things as, quote, 647 00:32:40.750 --> 00:32:43.430 they have a new family now, my son, Jason, and 648 00:32:43.470 --> 00:32:50.589 my sister. Yikes. Shit. Yikes. Now, by the way, AJ, 649 00:32:50.609 --> 00:32:57.250 this is her boyfriend, is currently living with his ex-wife 650 00:32:57.289 --> 00:33:00.569 and kids. And she says ex. I don't know if 651 00:33:00.589 --> 00:33:03.190 they're divorced or what, but he lives with them. And 652 00:33:03.230 --> 00:33:05.950 the only time she gets to see AJ for the 653 00:33:05.990 --> 00:33:10.519 most part is on Wednesdays. Because he's off that day, 654 00:33:10.819 --> 00:33:13.220 and so she'll take her lunch break at his house 655 00:33:13.460 --> 00:33:17.059 and fuck him, I guess. That's how that works. Wow. Yeah, 656 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.119 it's wild. She comes over every Wednesday for lunch. That's 657 00:33:20.140 --> 00:33:20.569 her jam. 658 00:33:20.609 --> 00:33:22.529 She is his Wednesday. That's terrible. 659 00:33:22.809 --> 00:33:25.250 It's crazy. And their lunches are very classy, as we'll 660 00:33:25.269 --> 00:33:25.609 find out. 661 00:33:25.630 --> 00:33:26.369 Yeah, sure. 662 00:33:27.130 --> 00:33:29.869 So they find all this out. They find out that 663 00:33:29.990 --> 00:33:34.150 their son, Jason and Devin's son, goes to the Gateway 664 00:33:34.210 --> 00:33:39.259 Montessori School in Longmont. So they go and they pick 665 00:33:39.339 --> 00:33:42.940 up the kid here because they don't want Devin to 666 00:33:42.980 --> 00:33:44.880 get the kid at this point because they think she's 667 00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.049 a murder suspect. So they really don't want to have 668 00:33:47.109 --> 00:33:49.490 her have a kid in her possession. So they go 669 00:33:49.549 --> 00:33:51.410 pick the kid up, and plus that will make her 670 00:33:51.450 --> 00:33:53.450 come to the police station if the kid's there. Right. 671 00:33:53.809 --> 00:33:54.670 That's what they're trying to do. 672 00:33:55.269 --> 00:33:56.390 Get control of you fast. 673 00:33:56.450 --> 00:34:00.430 Yep. They call up Rosa, too, to basically hang out 674 00:34:00.450 --> 00:34:01.910 with the kid at the police station so he's not 675 00:34:01.950 --> 00:34:05.150 sitting there with strangers, which pisses her off mightily, as 676 00:34:05.190 --> 00:34:08.769 you might imagine. Yeah. And they find out from the 677 00:34:08.869 --> 00:34:11.650 school they get Devin's cell phone number, which then they 678 00:34:11.670 --> 00:34:14.250 can get all the information they have. Oh, yeah. So 679 00:34:14.269 --> 00:34:17.869 that's what they do. And they absolutely get everything from 680 00:34:17.889 --> 00:34:21.809 Verizon that they can. While at the school, they spoke 681 00:34:21.849 --> 00:34:26.409 with Rosa. Now, the detectives speak with Rosa. And Rosa 682 00:34:26.449 --> 00:34:30.429 said that Devin's in a romantic relationship with A.J. And 683 00:34:30.469 --> 00:34:34.369 that Rosa said also she's received– that Jason has received 684 00:34:34.429 --> 00:34:38.460 threats from Devin and A.J., and has messages and court 685 00:34:38.500 --> 00:34:41.900 paperwork at his residence about these threats, texts and stuff 686 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:47.570 like that. And Devin also threatened that A.J. would shoot Jason. Like, 687 00:34:47.610 --> 00:34:52.010 I'll have A.J. shoot you. Okay, now, so where was 688 00:34:52.030 --> 00:34:53.489 she during the murder? Let's find out. 689 00:34:53.909 --> 00:34:54.590 That's a good question. 690 00:34:54.630 --> 00:34:58.130 That's a good question. Well, the Postal Service here, the U.S. Postal, 691 00:34:58.730 --> 00:35:02.659 whatever the fuck here, office, utilizes all sorts of technology, 692 00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:06.480 including GPS, right? On all of their scanning devices. 693 00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:06.699 Yeah. 694 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.480 They're used for a bunch. They scan packages. They also 695 00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:13.500 constantly report GPS data to USPS servers throughout the day 696

00:35:15.380 --> 00:35:17.949 so that they can see exactly where you were, exactly 697 00:35:17.989 --> 00:35:20.309 what happened, and make sure that you're doing your job. 698 00:35:21.190 --> 00:35:26.269 It doesn't just protect the customers and people out on 699 00:35:26.289 --> 00:35:28.960 the road. It protects you. It lets them know where 700 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:29.940 you are at all times. 701 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:31.139 If you get kidnapped, they'll know. 702 00:35:31.219 --> 00:35:31.340 Yeah. 703 00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:34.780 That's how that goes. And so they're looking with that. 704 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:38.710 The scanners require a login to use the device. They 705 00:35:38.769 --> 00:35:42.489 scan their employee ID, which then associates with the letter 706 00:35:42.530 --> 00:35:46.869 carrier to a specific device, joins them together. During this investigation, 707 00:35:46.929 --> 00:35:51.309 they review the scan and GPS records related to Devin. 708 00:35:52.110 --> 00:35:55.090 And they said that when they did that, they found 709 00:35:55.150 --> 00:35:57.570 an extended period of time on the day of the 710 00:35:57.630 --> 00:36:02.449 shooting where the GPS data indicated the scanner was stationary. Oh, 711 00:36:02.630 --> 00:36:05.329 sitting still. From 11 a.m. to 1.30 p.m. 712 00:36:06.250 --> 00:36:07.929 Two and a half hours she just sat? 713 00:36:07.949 --> 00:36:11.210 Two and a half hours it is at her boyfriend's house. 714 00:36:11.269 --> 00:36:14.219 It's at AJ's house. That's where the GPS has. 715 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:16.159 That's a long lunch break. 716 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.239 That is a long lunch there, boy. So the activity 717 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:22.800 is unusual as the scanners normally display movement at regular intervals, 718 00:36:22.900 --> 00:36:26.659 you know, because you're delivering shit, basically, walking, driving. So 719 00:36:26.699 --> 00:36:32.260 they said that at approximately 10.15 a.m., The scanner device 720 00:36:32.300 --> 00:36:36.820 indicated she headed to begin delivering mail that day. And then, 721 00:36:36.940 --> 00:36:39.420 like we said, 11-something, it shuts off. And then 1.30, 722 00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:44.190 it comes back on. It starts moving again. So she 723 00:36:44.230 --> 00:36:47.050 was supposed to be delivering mail about 30 miles north 724 00:36:47.090 --> 00:36:50.730 of here in Loveland. But GPS data from her mail 725 00:36:50.769 --> 00:36:54.230 scanner shows that it stalled at AJ's house, like we said, 726 00:36:54.289 --> 00:36:56.210 during the time of the killing, an hour before to 727 00:36:56.250 --> 00:36:58.849 an hour after. So that's not good. They said it 728 00:36:58.869 --> 00:37:04.730 was 11.06 a.m. until 1.28 p.m. The GPS device was 729 00:37:04.789 --> 00:37:08.110 pinging in the area of Tradewind Court in Loveland, more 730 00:37:08.170 --> 00:37:13.510 specifically the 3101 Tradewind Court in Loveland, which is where 731 00:37:13.550 --> 00:37:16.699 AJ lives. Interesting. So they said that it's common for 732 00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:21.440 a GPS device to experience a phenomenon known as GPS drift, 733 00:37:21.500 --> 00:37:25.579 which the same device reporting several latitude and longitude combinations, 734 00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:31.829 even when stationary. So they said during this, they observed 735 00:37:31.889 --> 00:37:34.730 numerous pings in the area while the GPS device was 736 00:37:34.789 --> 00:37:38.280 listing a speed of zero in a direction of 999, 737 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:43.019 which means it's not going anywhere. Even if it pinged 738 00:37:43.059 --> 00:37:45.320 to like two houses away, it's just because of the drift. 739 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.619 It didn't go anywhere. So they said at 1.22 p.m., 740 00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.559 the scanner started moving again, and it returned to the 741 00:37:52.619 --> 00:37:56.880 Loveland area. uh, main postal dock, uh, port around 4 742 00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:00.320 31 PM. So she went out and finished her route. 743 00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:01.920 Yeah. 744 00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:02.679 Okay. 745 00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:05.619 So that's her, her two and a half hour fuck 746 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.159 session and tuna sandwich. 747 00:38:07.219 --> 00:38:10.179 Well, we'll find out about that. Actually. It's definitely not 748 00:38:10.219 --> 00:38:13.139 a two to sandwich. I'll also, which is hilarious. I 749 00:38:13.179 --> 00:38:15.260 do like her choice of a lunch. It's pretty good. 750 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:18.179 All right. So, uh, on the morning of now they 751 00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:20.559 got cell phone data too. On the morning of the shooting, 752 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:24.679 cell phone data showed, uh, uh, Devin and AJ were 753 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:27.980 both at her Fort Collins apartment before they drove to 754 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:32.280 AJ's home in Loveland. At that point, it appeared that 755 00:38:32.860 --> 00:38:37.119 AJ took Shriner to the Loveland post office after which age, uh, 756 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:42.469 Devin began her route and, uh, AJ drove into Longmont 757 00:38:42.690 --> 00:38:45.409 and began following Jason around on his route. 758 00:38:46.889 --> 00:38:47.449 Oh no. 759 00:38:47.869 --> 00:38:52.000 Yeah. That's very fucking interesting. Um, here they said that, uh, 760 00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:56.079 And then by the time everything's over, by 5.18 p.m., 761 00:38:56.159 --> 00:39:00.769 she's back in Fort Collins, seen walking her dog. So 762 00:39:00.989 --> 00:39:05.170 she called at 5.27 p.m., called the Longmont Police Department 763 00:39:05.210 --> 00:39:07.789 to speak with a detective who had been, she had 764 00:39:07.889 --> 00:39:11.230 heard they were trying to talk to her. She said, 765 00:39:12.329 --> 00:39:14.650 I heard the phone call too. She's very much like 766 00:39:14.690 --> 00:39:17.409 an attitude. Like, I just

keep hearing I'm supposed to 767 00:39:17.469 --> 00:39:21.809 talk to you. And they're like, well, you should come 768 00:39:21.829 --> 00:39:26.650 down to the station. Something happened with your ex-boyfriend or 769 00:39:26.670 --> 00:39:29.750 your son's father. And she's like, my son's supposed to 770 00:39:29.769 --> 00:39:31.750 be with me. his father right now. Where is my son? 771 00:39:31.769 --> 00:39:34.969 And he's like, well, we picked him up. And she's like, 772 00:39:35.170 --> 00:39:37.150 I did not give you permission to pick up my son. 773 00:39:37.769 --> 00:39:40.670 And they're like, well, either way, he's here. So you 774 00:39:40.710 --> 00:39:43.389 want to come on down? And they're like super calm. 775 00:39:43.409 --> 00:39:45.030 They're like, come on down. I'll give you my number 776 00:39:45.090 --> 00:39:45.530 and all this. 777 00:39:45.570 --> 00:39:48.000 We didn't have to get your permission, by the way. 778 00:39:48.010 --> 00:39:50.489 Dude, she has the most I'm on hold with customer 779 00:39:50.530 --> 00:39:52.860 service attitude of all fucking time. 780 00:39:52.949 --> 00:39:55.860 Meanwhile, the father of her child is laying dead. 781 00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:58.460 She doesn't know. They didn't tell her that yet. So 782 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.239 according to her, she's like, no one will even tell 783 00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:02.460 me what happened. And they're like, yeah, it's kind of complicated. 784 00:40:02.500 --> 00:40:04.659 So it's kind of an in-person conversation. We don't really 785 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.559 want to get into it over the phone, especially while 786 00:40:06.579 --> 00:40:07.139 you're driving. 787 00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:10.239 You know, you're already clearly upset. 788 00:40:10.340 --> 00:40:10.699 Yeah. 789 00:40:10.820 --> 00:40:12.079 Come down here and be upset with us. 790 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.230 So she drove her 2007 black Nissan Rogue with a 791 00:40:15.250 --> 00:40:20.210 missing hubcap to the police department located at 225 Kimbark 792 00:40:20.250 --> 00:40:23.889 Street here and parked in the north parking lot. Two 793 00:40:23.949 --> 00:40:26.869 detectives went and looked through the closed window of the 794 00:40:26.909 --> 00:40:30.329 vehicle and they found they saw a blue face mask 795 00:40:31.909 --> 00:40:33.860 and a black hoodie that was lined and had a 796 00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:37.750 zipper and a drawstring. They're like, okay, well, that's what 797 00:40:37.769 --> 00:40:39.269 the murderer was wearing. That's interesting. 798 00:40:39.289 --> 00:40:41.010 We got a uniform in here. 799 00:40:41.090 --> 00:40:43.030 No shit. So they tow the vehicle away to have 800 00:40:43.070 --> 00:40:45.730 it processed and everything like that. So where was her 801 00:40:45.769 --> 00:40:49.150 boyfriend that day? Where indeed? He started following him. We'll 802 00:40:49.170 --> 00:40:52.710 find out. Okay. A search of his cell phone location 803 00:40:52.769 --> 00:40:56.210 and data showed his path that matched up exactly with 804 00:40:56.250 --> 00:41:00.530 Jason's path the entire time. He stalked Jason all morning. Crazy. 805 00:41:00.550 --> 00:41:00.769 Oh, my God. 806 00:41:01.300 --> 00:41:04.539 One of the cops said, in watching that, it's almost scary. A.J. 807 00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.300 was on top of Jason almost the entire mail route. 808 00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:10.179 It looked like A.J. had been waiting for Jason's mail 809 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:13.010 truck to leave the post office that morning. Then A.J. 810 00:41:13.090 --> 00:41:15.130 followed him all around for two or three hours. 811 00:41:15.570 --> 00:41:16.809 Like an FBI agent. 812 00:41:16.849 --> 00:41:21.869 Yeah, like a fucking private investigator. A rideshare vehicle used 813 00:41:21.929 --> 00:41:24.610 by the Englewood prison where he worked as a guard 814 00:41:24.690 --> 00:41:29.010 was seen on camera several times following Schaefer's postal van also. 815 00:41:30.610 --> 00:41:35.260 And AJ's cell phone data and GPS data from the– 816 00:41:35.590 --> 00:41:38.050 I'm sorry, AJ's cell phone data and the GPS data 817 00:41:38.070 --> 00:41:40.489 from Schaefer's postal scanner appeared to be in the same 818 00:41:40.550 --> 00:41:42.329 locations for the entire morning. 819 00:41:43.030 --> 00:41:43.869 Oh, Jesus. 820 00:41:44.809 --> 00:41:50.170 Surveillance cameras detected Devin's SUV, identifiable by the missing hubcap 821 00:41:50.210 --> 00:41:53.030 on its passenger side, driving into the neighborhood of the 822 00:41:53.070 --> 00:41:56.250 shooting and parking on Renaissance Drive south of the shooting scene. 823 00:41:57.449 --> 00:42:01.739 Then they– This is crazy, right? This is the worst 824 00:42:01.820 --> 00:42:04.840 murder of all time. It's the worst murder ever. You 825 00:42:04.900 --> 00:42:07.690 can put it together. You can literally make a film 826 00:42:07.710 --> 00:42:11.210 out of the cars being followed and people running away. 827 00:42:11.289 --> 00:42:12.909 And then you can have next to it running a 828 00:42:13.050 --> 00:42:15.690 map of these people following him. It's the worst murder 829 00:42:15.710 --> 00:42:16.159 of all time. 830 00:42:18.170 --> 00:42:19.630 It's been GPS, Courtney. 831 00:42:19.730 --> 00:42:21.710 You might as well have walked into the fucking police 832 00:42:21.730 --> 00:42:24.210 station covered in his blood. Would be the only other 833 00:42:24.250 --> 00:42:25.510 way to look more guilty than this. 834 00:42:25.550 --> 00:42:27.769 You may as well have handcuffed yourself to a cop 835 00:42:27.809 --> 00:42:28.889 and walked him while. 836 00:42:28.730 --> 00:42:29.150 You did it. 837 00:42:29.150 --> 00:42:30.429 Oh, shit. Hey, watch this. 838 00:42:30.469 --> 00:42:30.949 Jesus Christ. 839 00:42:31.429 --> 00:42:36.110 It's fucking ridiculous, man. It's absolutely nuts. Another security camera 840 00:42:36.349 -->

00:42:40.159 picked up the person approaching the van. This is Jason 841 00:42:40.179 --> 00:42:43.340 Schaefer's postal van. Then heard the sound of gunshots. Then 842 00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:45.860 showed the person running from the area in the hoodie 843 00:42:45.940 --> 00:42:48.820 and the blue face mask. Security cameras then captured the 844 00:42:48.860 --> 00:42:52.199 person running south before Devin's SUV was seen again, this 845 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:56.340 time leaving the area. It's not good. It's not good. 846 00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:02.119 Then they found worse shit than that, if that's possible. Okay, 847 00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:05.460 number one, they found that this has been going on 848 00:43:05.500 --> 00:43:08.579 a long time. They found a picture on AJ's phone 849 00:43:08.619 --> 00:43:13.980 later from June 13th of that year, so months earlier. 850 00:43:15.219 --> 00:43:19.570 AJ took this picture at 11.35 at night outside of 851 00:43:19.630 --> 00:43:23.269 Jason's apartment of a picture of Rosa's SUV with her 852 00:43:23.289 --> 00:43:24.170 license plate in it. 853 00:43:24.769 --> 00:43:25.429 Oh, my God. 854 00:43:25.469 --> 00:43:27.960 That's so creepy. They asked Rosa, was there any reason 855 00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:29.820 for him to be there? Did he come over to 856 00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:31.960 help you guys or hang out or something and take 857 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.519 a picture? And they went, absolutely not. No reason for 858 00:43:34.539 --> 00:43:38.530 him to be there. He was stalking us. They found, 859 00:43:38.949 --> 00:43:41.510 this is from the detective, quote, there was this saved 860 00:43:41.610 --> 00:43:45.429 Snapchat photo that A.J. Ritchie had screenshotted and saved to 861 00:43:45.469 --> 00:43:50.340 his phone. It showed an individual taking a selfie in 862 00:43:50.380 --> 00:43:53.940 a bathroom wearing the exact same outfit the shooter had on, 863 00:43:54.139 --> 00:43:57.440 and it's Devin in the picture. It's a picture of 864 00:43:57.500 --> 00:44:00.239 her taking a fucking selfie of herself wearing her murder 865 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.619 outfit and sending it to him. And then he, like 866 00:44:02.659 --> 00:44:06.119 a dipshit, screenshots it. Yeah, is this a good murder outfit? 867 00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:06.800 Yes or no? 868 00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:09.039 This is supposed to disappear, but I want to hang 869 00:44:09.099 --> 00:44:10.880 on to this for posterity, and I want to jerk 870 00:44:10.940 --> 00:44:11.360 off to this. 871 00:44:11.619 --> 00:44:14.260 Lay a little later on. You're just seeing your eyes. 872 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:18.840 It makes me hot. If that wasn't enough shit to 873 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.679 go on, there's also an assload of text messages that 874 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:26.110 are really incriminating. I don't know if the only thing 875 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:29.159 I can think is that Devin thought they'll never suspect me, 876 00:44:29.389 --> 00:44:33.489 even though I'm the ex who's fighting with him at 877 00:44:33.590 --> 00:44:36.269 work and has been served with papers two days ago. 878 00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:40.320 Because there's no way anybody who thought they'd be a 879 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:43.139 suspect would even do all this. It's crazy. 880 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.889 Fascinating. It's like she's never heard of Dateline. It's like 881 00:44:46.909 --> 00:44:50.769 she's never seen a single podcast. 882 00:44:50.909 --> 00:44:54.730 In 2021, that's inexcusable. In 2021, you have to know better, right? 883 00:44:54.750 --> 00:44:56.809 This is crazy. 884 00:44:56.849 --> 00:44:58.150 Never seen a documentary. 885 00:44:58.170 --> 00:44:58.369 Never. 886 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:02.079 Investigation discovery. It never came in on her TV years ago. 887 00:45:02.139 --> 00:45:04.179 It's not on any, you know, we, we do make 888 00:45:04.260 --> 00:45:06.539 fun of people that Google how to, how to murder. 889 00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:08.920 I do kind of commend somebody. 890 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:13.679 At least they tried. The Googler at least tried. These 891 00:45:13.739 --> 00:45:14.760 people didn't even try. 892 00:45:14.780 --> 00:45:18.699 This is terrible. I'm so good at this. Watch this. 893 00:45:18.929 --> 00:45:20.949 This is, it's fucking crazy. 894 00:45:21.030 --> 00:45:22.730 Take one. I'm a winner. 895 00:45:24.369 --> 00:45:29.960 From July 8th, 2021. AJ sent Devin a text about, quote, 896 00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:34.909 ending Rosa and Jason. Another text, they went back and forth, 897 00:45:34.949 --> 00:45:36.929 and he sent one to her saying, quote, you could 898 00:45:36.969 --> 00:45:42.190 just kill them both. These messages have been sent months ago, 899 00:45:42.809 --> 00:45:47.050 and it's fucking crazy. They said they, then Jason had 900 00:45:47.090 --> 00:45:49.929 filed for the more time. Cell phone data showed that 901 00:45:49.949 --> 00:45:53.130 they were on a call, AJ and Devin, for nearly 902 00:45:53.210 --> 00:45:56.349 three hours the morning of the murder as well. So 903 00:45:56.389 --> 00:45:59.429 like the whole time he followed Jason for three hours. 904 00:45:59.469 --> 00:46:03.670 So the whole time he's following Jason, he's on the 905 00:46:03.710 --> 00:46:06.119 phone with her telling her exactly. 906 00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:06.820 What he's doing. 907 00:46:06.860 --> 00:46:09.219 Telling her what he's doing. Yeah. They said, we believe 908 00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:12.539 he was coordinating with Devin. He was sending information back 909 00:46:12.579 --> 00:46:14.739 to Devin about where Jason could be found on the 910 00:46:14.780 --> 00:46:20.059 mail route. AJ's the lookout for Devin. So, like we said, 911 00:46:20.139 --> 00:46:23.429 she called the investigators about 5.30 and agreed to drive 912 00:46:23.449 --> 00:46:26.550 to Longmont to meet the investigator. The investigator shows up 913

00:46:26.590 --> 00:46:28.530 in her car with the murder outfit sitting on the 914 00:46:28.570 --> 00:46:31.710 front seat like a fucking idiot. She's so bad at murder, 915 00:46:31.750 --> 00:46:33.750 this person. So bad at it. I can't believe it. 916 00:46:33.750 --> 00:46:35.590 I hope she's a better mailman or no one has 917 00:46:35.630 --> 00:46:37.389 gotten their fucking correct mail in years. 918 00:46:38.130 --> 00:46:39.889 This is why she's been fired. 919 00:46:40.010 --> 00:46:43.889 This is crazy. So she shows up and the only 920 00:46:43.989 --> 00:46:53.179 way I can explain this interrogation would be Imagine, imagine 921 00:46:53.780 --> 00:46:56.619 you were just like walking through target, going through the 922 00:46:56.780 --> 00:47:03.719 aisles and two police officers grabbed you, took you and 923 00:47:03.860 --> 00:47:06.119 sat you in a, in a fucking, in a chair 924 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.320 in the interrogation office and said, we're going to talk 925 00:47:09.340 --> 00:47:10.179 to you about a murder. 926 00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:11.559 Okay. 927 00:47:12.059 --> 00:47:13.519 You'd be like, well, hold on. 928 00:47:13.539 --> 00:47:14.500 Oh fuck. 929 00:47:14.539 --> 00:47:17.449 Are you talking? That's how she is. She acts like, 930 00:47:17.570 --> 00:47:19.590 first of all, she's like, first of all, She won't 931 00:47:19.630 --> 00:47:22.369 even let the detective talk, which is a huge sign 932 00:47:22.409 --> 00:47:25.469 of guilt when people do that always. Her eyes are 933 00:47:25.530 --> 00:47:27.619 like you can see the whites of her eyes. Oh. 934 00:47:28.739 --> 00:47:32.099 She does not blink the whole time. Oh. Like has 935 00:47:32.139 --> 00:47:34.280 this guy in her sights the whole time. 936 00:47:34.300 --> 00:47:36.599 It's like a cat. You just got wet. 937 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:38.590 Yeah. 938 00:47:41.090 --> 00:47:41.590 Yeah. 939 00:47:42.150 --> 00:47:47.300 She is angry that she's there. And all she'll talk 940 00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:50.019 about is why was my son picked up from school? 941 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.099 I did not give my son permission to be picked 942 00:47:52.139 --> 00:47:55.219 up from school. And he goes, OK, well, that's great. And, 943 00:47:55.260 --> 00:47:57.699 you know, the cop is super calm. He's like, listen, 944 00:47:57.739 --> 00:48:01.349 that's good. And I understand that. You know, she keeps 945 00:48:01.369 --> 00:48:03.829 saying without my permission. And they're like, yeah, but, you know, 946 00:48:04.170 --> 00:48:06.110 they said the guy even says he goes, well, listen, 947 00:48:06.150 --> 00:48:09.429 I mean, this is your ex here who got who's killed. 948 00:48:09.489 --> 00:48:12.269 And when she when he tells her he's been he's 949 00:48:12.309 --> 00:48:16.829 been killed and she goes, well, what happened? And well, 950 00:48:16.889 --> 00:48:20.230 first she buries her head. She goes, he's been killed. 951 00:48:20.949 --> 00:48:23.230 He died today is what the cop says. And she 952 00:48:23.389 --> 00:48:25.570 just goes like this, puts her head in one hand 953 00:48:25.650 --> 00:48:31.369 and goes, yeah, that's it. And then she goes, what happened? 954 00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:36.699 But there's no, like she put her head in her hand. 955 00:48:36.739 --> 00:48:39.679 Like I should show some emotion here. Yeah. Realize the 956 00:48:39.699 --> 00:48:40.920 well was dry. Yeah. 957 00:48:41.139 --> 00:48:42.739 This is where people show emotion. 958 00:48:43.059 --> 00:48:44.119 And then just came up. 959 00:48:44.139 --> 00:48:44.219 Yeah. 960 00:48:44.780 --> 00:48:47.889 Yeah. She told, like, the look was like, oh, we 961 00:48:47.929 --> 00:48:50.289 just saw in your car, we were outside, and it 962 00:48:50.329 --> 00:48:52.130 looks like one of your tires is flat. You go, 963 00:48:52.789 --> 00:48:55.130 that's what she did. It was just like that. Like, 964 00:48:55.289 --> 00:49:00.050 that's inconvenient. Soup, then he goes, well, she said, well, 965 00:49:00.090 --> 00:49:05.079 what happened? And he goes, well, she, he was shot 966 00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:10.179 in the face. And she goes, in the face? Like. 967 00:49:10.829 --> 00:49:13.079 That's her reaction. In the face? 968 00:49:13.340 --> 00:49:14.219 In the face. 969 00:49:14.260 --> 00:49:18.230 He's dead, yeah. In the face? Like, oh my God, 970 00:49:18.289 --> 00:49:19.030 that's horrible. 971 00:49:19.389 --> 00:49:22.170 The worst part. place. It was my favorite thing about him. 972 00:49:22.260 --> 00:49:26.219 No, not his face. So, but she kept, and then 973 00:49:26.260 --> 00:49:28.340 she's going back to her son. So where's my son? 974 00:49:28.380 --> 00:49:30.099 It's like, hold on, we just told you this guy 975 00:49:30.139 --> 00:49:32.079 got shot in the face and all you're concerned about. 976 00:49:32.420 --> 00:49:35.480 And he even said, well, you know, we got family 977 00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:37.780 down here. There's lots of people that we're talking to 978 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.159 right now. And she's like, is my dad here? And 979 00:49:40.179 --> 00:49:43.380 they're like, who's your dad? He knows everybody that's there, 980 00:49:43.420 --> 00:49:45.420 but they just want to get. And she goes, big, 981 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:49.090 dark Mexican guy, Raul. And he's like, I don't know. 982 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:51.510 I'm not sure. He goes, we got Rosa here. And 983 00:49:51.610 --> 00:49:54.070 she's like, you got my sister? Okay. And they're like, yeah, 984 00:49:54.130 --> 00:49:57.949 your sister's watching your son right now. She's like, well, 985 00:49:58.010 --> 00:50:00.269 she does not have custody of her. I don't want 986 00:50:00.329 --> 00:50:04.489 her around. The guy's like, that's great. Let's get back 987 00:50:05.230 --> 00:50:06.829 to the shot in the face part. Remember that? 988 00:50:06.849 --> 00:50:07.050 All right. 989 00:50:07.980 --> 00:50:11.710

Can you calm down one hubcap? Uh, this is not good. 990 00:50:12.110 --> 00:50:14.449 It's great. And then she's like, she goes in the face. 991 00:50:14.489 --> 00:50:18.869 Then she goes, I didn't even think he was working today. Jason, 992 00:50:18.889 --> 00:50:22.510 I thought Jason was off today. Um, then they're like, okay, 993 00:50:22.530 --> 00:50:24.880 well look, before we go any further, we have to 994 00:50:24.940 --> 00:50:28.179 read you your rights because, and the guy tries to 995 00:50:28.219 --> 00:50:31.000 play it real casual. She's super offended that they're reading her, 996 00:50:31.019 --> 00:50:32.599 her rights. By the way, she's like, you have to 997 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.909 read me my rights. Why? Like, I don't understand. She goes, well, 998 00:50:36.949 --> 00:50:39.289 you know, he goes, you know, when there's a murder, 999 00:50:39.309 --> 00:50:41.429 you know, we just have to we have to look 1000 00:50:41.449 --> 00:50:45.480 at like the butler and the bookie that he said 1001 00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:48.239 he owes money to. And, you know, X's and I 1002 00:50:48.260 --> 00:50:50.000 don't think he has a butler and I don't think 1003 00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:52.320 he gambles. So, you know, you're the X. So we 1004 00:50:52.340 --> 00:50:53.000 got to talk to you. 1005 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:54.900 We're going to count the candlesticks, all that. 1006 00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:59.309 All that shit. So, you know, she's super offended by this, though. 1007 00:50:59.349 --> 00:51:01.309 And she's just like the whole time she's looking at 1008 00:51:01.329 --> 00:51:05.349 him like this is crazy. Oh, my God. So they 1009 00:51:05.389 --> 00:51:08.929 said it's obviously, quote, you have to rule out the butler, 1010 00:51:08.969 --> 00:51:11.400 the ex, the bookie, you know. That's what he says. 1011 00:51:11.940 --> 00:51:16.420 Real casual. She says, so he reads her the rights, 1012 00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:19.219 and then he asks her, you know, where were you today? 1013 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:21.820 And she says, well, I was at work, so I 1014 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.510 don't know what you're even bothering me for. She's like, 1015 00:51:24.570 --> 00:51:26.730 I was at work, so I couldn't have killed him, obviously. 1016 00:51:27.489 --> 00:51:28.909 Case closed. That's it. Okay. 1017 00:51:28.929 --> 00:51:29.030 Okay. 1018 00:51:29.619 --> 00:51:31.639 Expecting him to go, all right, never mind. And he 1019 00:51:31.699 --> 00:51:33.920 even says, he goes, oh, well, that's great. That's a 1020 00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.320 great alibi. He goes, terrific. He goes, that's good. Then 1021 00:51:36.340 --> 00:51:37.820 hopefully we can get you out of here pretty quick. 1022 00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:40.010 You know, we'll get that gunshot residue test and then 1023 00:51:40.030 --> 00:51:42.429 we'll get you right out of here. Oh, and she's like, 1024 00:51:42.489 --> 00:51:44.789 why would you do that? I don't understand. Like she keeps, 1025 00:51:45.289 --> 00:51:48.510 it's really fucking funny. Then she says her rights have 1026 00:51:48.530 --> 00:51:52.670 been violated because they're talking about doing gunshot residue tests 1027 00:51:52.769 --> 00:51:54.250 on her and shit. And she's like, well, you, my 1028 00:51:54.289 --> 00:51:56.010 rights have been violated because you took my son from 1029 00:51:56.030 --> 00:52:00.019 the school. So she thinks she's going to fucking complain 1030 00:52:00.059 --> 00:52:01.840 her way out of a murder investigation. 1031 00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:06.599 Yeah. What's right is violated. What are you talking about? 1032 00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:09.380 This is not customer service at the Walmart. This is 1033 00:52:09.420 --> 00:52:12.900 a fucking murder investigation. You can't just yell your way 1034 00:52:12.980 --> 00:52:16.829 out of it and stomp off. So she says that 1035 00:52:16.989 --> 00:52:20.590 she's very upset that the sister is with the son 1036 00:52:20.630 --> 00:52:22.630 again and she doesn't want the cops to talk to 1037 00:52:22.670 --> 00:52:24.889 her son either. She said, well, you don't have my 1038 00:52:24.909 --> 00:52:27.280 permission to talk to my son. And they go, well, 1039 00:52:27.340 --> 00:52:29.260 we don't really need it because he's a witness, so 1040 00:52:29.300 --> 00:52:31.800 we're going to talk to him. They're just, like, ignoring 1041 00:52:31.860 --> 00:52:35.500 everything she says. Well, since you're, you know, in custody 1042 00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:37.469 at the moment, or you're not in custody, but you 1043 00:52:37.610 --> 00:52:39.929 are a suspect, we're not going to, you don't really 1044 00:52:39.969 --> 00:52:42.789 have any rights over him right this minute. And since 1045 00:52:42.829 --> 00:52:44.909 his other parent is dead, we're just going to hand 1046 00:52:44.949 --> 00:52:46.730 him to someone who doesn't seem like a murderer and 1047 00:52:46.750 --> 00:52:47.630 see how that goes for them. 1048 00:52:48.469 --> 00:52:50.510 Also, somebody that kind of sides with us and thinks 1049 00:52:50.550 --> 00:52:51.449 that we should probably. 1050 00:52:51.269 --> 00:52:53.659 Ask him some questions. Yeah, one of those. One of 1051 00:52:53.699 --> 00:52:54.260 those people. 1052 00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:55.380 Rose seems good with it. 1053 00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:58.820 She seems all right with all this. And so, yeah, 1054 00:52:58.860 --> 00:53:00.820 they tell her, we don't fucking need your permission. We're 1055 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:02.980 going to talk to your son. And she's not happy 1056 00:53:03.019 --> 00:53:07.130 about that. That's like the first 20 minutes, by the way, 1057 00:53:07.250 --> 00:53:10.489 of just irritating back and forth where you're just like, 1058 00:53:10.570 --> 00:53:15.130 this fucking lady is really irritating. So then they finally 1059 00:53:15.170 --> 00:53:17.690 get into the part about Jason. She finally gets

over 1060 00:53:17.710 --> 00:53:20.250 the son and all that kind of shit. And she 1061 00:53:20.309 --> 00:53:23.150 said the relationship wasn't great. Jason moved out when the 1062 00:53:23.190 --> 00:53:25.860 baby was six months old. She said she filed a 1063 00:53:25.889 --> 00:53:30.539 restraining order against him in 2016 after an altercation when 1064 00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:32.860 she asked him to. This was after they had moved 1065 00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:35.400 out with each other and everything. He was over and 1066 00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:37.800 she asked him to leave and he got a little physical. 1067 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.760 So she filed it. But I don't know anything if 1068 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:42.579 that's real or not. But I do know that he 1069 00:53:42.619 --> 00:53:44.539 filed one against her. But I'm not sure if they 1070 00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:47.550 did it against each other or what happened here. So 1071 00:53:47.619 --> 00:53:50.289 then they tell her that, well, we saw your car 1072 00:53:50.369 --> 00:53:54.610 near this scene. It was seen by several witnesses. And 1073 00:53:54.650 --> 00:53:57.550 they go, it's very distinctive with that missing hubcap. They go, honestly, 1074 00:53:57.590 --> 00:54:00.219 how many black Nissan Rogues with a missing hubcap are there? 1075 00:54:00.940 --> 00:54:02.599 In the area, probably not a lot. You know what 1076 00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:04.780 I mean? And she's like, why didn't I get the 1077 00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:09.000 fucking hubcap fixed? So they said also a plate reader 1078 00:54:09.059 --> 00:54:11.280 picked it up near the crime scene at the time 1079 00:54:11.300 --> 00:54:13.619 of the murder. And so you mix all that. 1080 00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:16.920 That's the other part about big cities. These traps. 1081 00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:21.119 Shit. They're like, so, you know, not only was it 1082 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:24.320 seen with the hubcap missing, but then we know it 1083 00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:26.130 was in that area because. And she's. 1084 00:54:26.150 --> 00:54:26.730 Made the toll. 1085 00:54:27.230 --> 00:54:29.670 Yeah. She's saying that, you know, I was at my fucking. 1086 00:54:29.690 --> 00:54:32.050 I was at my boyfriend's house the whole time. So 1087 00:54:32.070 --> 00:54:33.570 I don't know what you're talking about. And they're like, yeah, 1088 00:54:33.610 --> 00:54:35.909 but you weren't because your car was here. So they 1089 00:54:35.989 --> 00:54:38.969 ask her, does anyone else. did anybody borrow your car 1090 00:54:38.989 --> 00:54:40.639 does anyone else have keys and she's like well i 1091 00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:42.039 mean i have another set but i don't even know 1092 00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:43.960 where they are so no no one borrowed my car 1093 00:54:44.019 --> 00:54:48.739 don't do that it's fucking crazy so um they said 1094 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:50.900 it makes your cars very distinctive then they said then 1095 00:54:50.920

--> 00:54:53.519 your gps stopped like an hour and a half before 1096 00:54:53.539 --> 00:54:55.539 the murder it starts up again an hour after the 1097 00:54:55.579 --> 00:54:57.860 murder that doesn't look good and she's like well i 1098 00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.269 don't know what happened with the gps because I was 1099 00:55:00.389 --> 00:55:04.159 at A.J. Ritchie's house eating lunch when my scanner was stalled. 1100 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:05.760 I don't know what you're talking about. I wasn't there 1101 00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:07.340 for two and a half hours. I don't know anything 1102 00:55:07.380 --> 00:55:12.739 about that. So they said, so you were there with A.J. 1103 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.860 eating lunch? And she said, yes, absolutely. They said, well, 1104 00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:19.780 what did you have? Pizza rolls, which good choice. I 1105 00:55:19.820 --> 00:55:20.550 love a pizza roll. 1106 00:55:20.969 --> 00:55:22.489 Yeah, yeah. A whole bag, I hope. 1107 00:55:22.980 --> 00:55:24.460 What kind of pizza rolls? She goes, I don't know. 1108 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:26.539 I didn't make them. You can tell in two seconds 1109 00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:27.639 if it's the good ones. 1110 00:55:27.739 --> 00:55:30.639 Are they store-bought or tortillas? 1111 00:55:30.739 --> 00:55:35.179 We know what they are here. So they said, but 1112 00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:38.619 you were there the whole time eating lunch with him. 1113 00:55:39.420 --> 00:55:41.440 She's like, yeah, absolutely. That's what we were doing. I 1114 00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:45.909 go over every Wednesday. Turns out there's surveillance video showing 1115 00:55:46.010 --> 00:55:49.789 him eating lunch with friends at Hooters during the time 1116 00:55:49.809 --> 00:55:50.369 of the shooting. 1117 00:55:51.260 --> 00:55:55.360 He's at fucking Hooters. With his pals eating lunch, this guy. 1118 00:55:56.099 --> 00:55:58.719 He's eating garbage food to look at titties today. 1119 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.360 He's eating shit worse than fucking pizza rolls. 1120 00:56:01.619 --> 00:56:02.579 Yeah. 1121 00:56:02.659 --> 00:56:05.230 I'd rather have pizza rolls than Hooters. Hooters is terrible. 1122 00:56:05.670 --> 00:56:06.190 Hooters is awful. 1123 00:56:06.210 --> 00:56:07.190 That's so funny. 1124 00:56:07.590 --> 00:56:11.289 So that is fucking amazing. She said that if she 1125 00:56:11.329 --> 00:56:15.289 didn't scan packages, her GPS might go dormant. But that's 1126 00:56:15.429 --> 00:56:18.030 maybe why it went dormant. But I was at my 1127 00:56:18.130 --> 00:56:21.190 boyfriend's house. He was there with me. And the guy 1128 00:56:21.250 --> 00:56:23.699 says over and over, he goes, you know, people just 1129 00:56:23.739 --> 00:56:26.239 don't kill mailmen for no reason. They're like, it's just 1130 00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:29.039 not a real highly targeted group of people. You know, 1131 00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:30.099 it's just not. Yeah. 1132 00:56:30.659 --> 00:56:34.059 They blend into the landscape, too. Nobody's even looking for them. Yeah. 1133 00:56:34.099 --> 00:56:37.250 And then they also say, we've also heard, because Jason 1134 00:56:37.289 --> 00:56:41.989 told a lot of people this, that you told Jason 1135 00:56:42.050 --> 00:56:45.550 that your boyfriend, AJ, would, quote, shoot him. Is that true? 1136 00:56:45.570 --> 00:56:46.670 Oops-a-daisy. 1137 00:56:47.250 --> 00:56:50.889 And she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. 1138 00:56:50.909 --> 00:56:52.110 Yeah, I don't recall. 1139 00:56:52.510 --> 00:56:55.000 So they ask her. They go, we're just going to 1140 00:56:55.019 --> 00:56:57.059 ask you straight out. Who was it? Was it you? 1141 00:56:57.099 --> 00:56:59.400 Was it AJ? There's two cars that were seen. So 1142 00:56:59.420 --> 00:57:00.780 it could have been either one of you. One car 1143 00:57:00.820 --> 00:57:03.300 left and then another one showed up. And then at 1144 00:57:03.380 --> 00:57:05.880 one point he goes, we think it was you. Right. 1145 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:09.260 You know, just because it looks like a smaller person 1146 00:57:09.980 --> 00:57:11.719 also in the video. It doesn't look like AJ. He 1147 00:57:11.739 --> 00:57:12.659 was a big burly guy. 1148 00:57:13.219 --> 00:57:15.530 And the murder uniforms on your passenger seat. 1149 00:57:15.570 --> 00:57:18.010 Yeah, we also found that. Well, they said, quote, we 1150 00:57:18.070 --> 00:57:21.190 think it was you. This is the greatest thing I've 1151 00:57:21.210 --> 00:57:23.230 ever seen in an interrogation. We think it was you. 1152 00:57:23.489 --> 00:57:29.630 She takes a long pause and goes, thanks? The best 1153 00:57:29.670 --> 00:57:32.369 I can describe it is thanks, dot, dot, dot, question mark. 1154 00:57:32.550 --> 00:57:36.860 That's thanks. What is that? That's the honest response to 1155 00:57:36.929 --> 00:57:40.119 we think that you're the murderer in the video. Thanks? 1156 00:57:40.619 --> 00:57:42.920 It's not like they said there's this really sexy murderer, 1157 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.929 like smoking hot bod. Like all this stuff. 1158 00:57:45.949 --> 00:57:46.829 I'm pretty sure it's you. 1159 00:57:47.090 --> 00:57:48.289 Thanks, but not me. 1160 00:57:49.269 --> 00:57:52.449 Your ex-boyfriend's dead and the murderer had great tits. We 1161 00:57:52.469 --> 00:57:52.869 think it's you. 1162 00:57:52.889 --> 00:57:55.059 We think it's you. Looking at you and looking at 1163 00:57:55.099 --> 00:57:57.739 the video, you got a rack to die for, sweetheart. 1164 00:57:57.780 --> 00:57:58.260 I'm telling you. 1165 00:57:59.619 --> 00:58:00.099 Thanks. 1166 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:04.090 Thanks. And they're like... And the cop is like taking 1167 00:58:04.110 --> 00:58:06.550 it back. He's got to just, I'm surprised he didn't go, 1168 00:58:06.590 --> 00:58:08.269 hold on a minute and go out and tell everybody 1169 00:58:08.309 --> 00:58:10.250 what just happened.

Can you believe she just said thanks? 1170 00:58:10.269 --> 00:58:13.539 What's with Colorado murderers giving that one word that's the 1171 00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:15.139 dumbest fucking thing they. 1172 00:58:14.980 --> 00:58:16.860 Could have said? Yeah, exactly. Sweet and thanks. 1173 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:18.139 Sweet and thanks. 1174 00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:23.469 It's fucking crazy. Yeah, he's total Chris Watts here. So 1175 00:58:23.510 --> 00:58:25.889 they ask, is it you or your boyfriend? And they said, 1176 00:58:25.929 --> 00:58:29.059 your car is there. Your texts say you're guilty. They 1177 00:58:29.099 --> 00:58:31.409 tell her they're going to do a GSR test on her. 1178 00:58:31.690 --> 00:58:33.989 And they said, have you handled any firearms lately? And 1179 00:58:34.010 --> 00:58:37.369 she says, no. And then she goes, I don't know 1180 00:58:37.429 --> 00:58:39.670 if I should. Should I be asking for an attorney 1181 00:58:39.730 --> 00:58:41.460 or I don't know how you go about that or 1182 00:58:41.500 --> 00:58:44.059 what I should be saying right now? And he goes, well, 1183 00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:45.559 you want an attorney? You can have an attorney. We'll 1184 00:58:45.579 --> 00:58:47.400 stop right now. And she goes, yeah, I think I 1185 00:58:47.420 --> 00:58:49.440 should have one. And they go, OK. And they leave 1186 00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:53.510 the room. And then a postal inspector comes in. Now 1187 00:58:53.550 --> 00:58:56.230 the postal inspector, whether she's asked for an attorney or not, 1188 00:58:56.289 --> 00:58:58.260 can still talk to her because this is about work. 1189 00:58:58.449 --> 00:59:00.280 This has nothing to fucking do with the murder, even 1190 00:59:00.300 --> 00:59:02.699 though it's all about the murder too. But he's going 1191 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:04.360 in and asking her about her work shit, which has 1192 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:06.929 nothing to do with that. So he enters the room. 1193 00:59:07.210 --> 00:59:11.860 It's work related. And this guy. acts like he's just 1194 00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:13.519 he goes, I don't know what's going on here. I'm 1195 00:59:13.539 --> 00:59:15.800 just trying to, you know, maybe you can help me. 1196 00:59:15.820 --> 00:59:17.380 You know what I mean? I don't know. You probably 1197 00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:18.860 know more about these scanners than I do. 1198 00:59:18.860 --> 00:59:21.400 You happen to have the scanner because you're fired. 1199 00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:24.500 Yeah. We're going to go ahead and take your employee I.D. 1200 00:59:25.409 --> 00:59:27.329 She said she went to the residence for lunch around 1201 00:59:27.329 --> 00:59:30.190 12 p.m. She knows the access code to get into A.J. 1202 00:59:30.190 --> 00:59:32.449 's home, so she entered the code, went into the 1203 00:59:32.469 --> 00:59:34.780 residence on her own. She said they had pizza rolls 1204 00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.619 and water that he cooked for her, which we

know 1205 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:40.079 is a lie because he's at Hooters. She said that 1206 00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:43.719 she and A.J. argued while she was there and that A.J. 1207 00:59:43.820 --> 00:59:46.440 left in his vehicle, which was described as a big truck, 1208 00:59:46.550 --> 00:59:49.050 and she said she went in her postal vehicle, sat 1209 00:59:49.110 --> 00:59:50.889 in it, and cried for a while, and then went 1210 00:59:50.929 --> 00:59:55.889 back to work. Yeah. So she said, yeah, it was 1211 00:59:55.929 --> 00:59:58.590 her boyfriend's day off. She always went there to spend 1212 00:59:58.630 --> 01:00:00.110 lunch with him, you know, because he lives with his 1213 01:00:00.170 --> 01:00:04.309 wife and all. So pizza rolls and arguing. She said 1214 01:00:04.650 --> 01:00:07.389 she does own firearms, I'm sorry, but doesn't know where 1215 01:00:07.449 --> 01:00:09.130 they are at her house. I don't know where my 1216 01:00:09.150 --> 01:00:11.889 guns are. I have a five-year-old, but I don't know 1217 01:00:11.909 --> 01:00:12.829 where I keep my guns. 1218 01:00:13.369 --> 01:00:13.949 I'm not sure. 1219 01:00:14.489 --> 01:00:17.510 I keep a five-year-old and loose guns around the house. 1220 01:00:17.550 --> 01:00:18.349 That's how this works. 1221 01:00:19.349 --> 01:00:22.469 I know where my kid is, but not my gun. 1222 01:00:22.510 --> 01:00:25.650 Not my guns. She said in November 2020, she went 1223 01:00:25.690 --> 01:00:27.789 to a shooting range, and she shot a long gun, 1224 01:00:27.849 --> 01:00:29.630 and she didn't know what kind, and she said she 1225 01:00:29.710 --> 01:00:32.469 is familiar with guns and has shot firearms in the past. 1226 01:00:33.230 --> 01:00:35.300 They asked, did she have her cell phone with her 1227 01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:37.519 the whole time? She said yes. Nobody borrowed her phone. 1228 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:39.860 She's the only one also, she says, to access her 1229 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:42.449 car that day. She's the only one who drives it, 1230 01:00:42.659 --> 01:00:44.409 and she has the only set of keys that she 1231 01:00:44.449 --> 01:00:46.079 knows of. She doesn't even know where the other ones are. 1232 01:00:47.889 --> 01:00:50.489 This all comes to a head without her confessing or 1233 01:00:50.530 --> 01:00:52.389 her doing anything. And they're just like, well, I guess. 1234 01:00:52.630 --> 01:00:54.769 By the way, she could have gotten up and left 1235 01:00:54.949 --> 01:00:56.969 at any point in this. She was not under arrest. 1236 01:00:57.510 --> 01:00:59.769 Rather than keep looking guilty, she could have said, I'm 1237 01:00:59.829 --> 01:01:02.550 taking my son and going home. Fuck you. And she 1238 01:01:02.570 --> 01:01:04.510 would have absolutely been within her rights to do that. 1239 01:01:05.309 --> 01:01:05.750 But she didn't. 1240 01:01:05.949 --> 01:01:07.590 But she seemed to know her rights, James. 1241 01:01:07.789 --> 01:01:11.929 Yeah, she didn't want to hear them. So AJ, they 1242 01:01:11.949 --> 01:01:16.949 get him in there. And AJ says, okay, fine. I'll 1243 01:01:16.969 --> 01:01:17.630 tell you everything. 1244 01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:18.760 Oh. 1245 01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:22.579 Yeah, he does. He initially denies it, but then he 1246 01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:25.639 says he dropped her off at work and then drove around. 1247 01:01:25.989 --> 01:01:27.969 He said he talked with Devin multiple times on the 1248 01:01:28.010 --> 01:01:30.449 phone that morning because she had spoken of killing Schaefer, 1249 01:01:30.730 --> 01:01:32.829 and he was trying to persuade her not to go 1250 01:01:32.889 --> 01:01:35.889 through with it. That's what he said. Oh. He then 1251 01:01:36.010 --> 01:01:39.610 said that he was trying to warn Jason about Devin's 1252 01:01:39.670 --> 01:01:41.630 plan to hurt him. That's why he was following him around. 1253 01:01:41.809 --> 01:01:44.699 Never stopped and told him or anything, but just followed 1254 01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:45.019 him around. 1255 01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:45.599 Maybe in the next house. 1256 01:01:45.619 --> 01:01:45.699 Yeah. 1257 01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:46.460 Maybe in the next house. 1258 01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:48.280 I don't know. Maybe in the next house. There's a 1259 01:01:48.300 --> 01:01:50.059 couple packages there. I don't want to bother him with that. 1260 01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:51.409 Oh, that looks heavy. 1261 01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:54.150 When the police asked why he didn't call the police 1262 01:01:54.190 --> 01:01:56.329 if he thought that Devin was going to hurt Jason, 1263 01:01:56.650 --> 01:01:58.929 he said that, quote, he didn't know if she was serious. 1264 01:01:58.949 --> 01:02:02.469 I don't fucking know. He said that he told detectives 1265 01:02:02.489 --> 01:02:04.389 that the threats to harm Jason had been going on 1266 01:02:04.449 --> 01:02:06.630 for a while and they didn't seem as serious as 1267 01:02:06.690 --> 01:02:10.900 on previous occasions. He's wow. He said, except for the 1268 01:02:10.940 --> 01:02:13.440 three days before the shooting when Devin messaged him a 1269 01:02:13.500 --> 01:02:16.039 picture of herself dressed in clothes similar to those of 1270 01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:18.340 the shooting suspect, the cop said. So, you know, yeah, 1271 01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:22.179 that was sent to him three days earlier. So according 1272 01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.880 to this, Richie said that he took it upon himself 1273 01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:27.320 to drive to Longmont and find Jason's truck and wait 1274 01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:29.389 to confront Devin. He was going to wait and go, 1275 01:02:29.449 --> 01:02:31.250 you know, you go back in your car, Devin. 1276 01:02:31.269 --> 01:02:32.170 You don't do that. 1277 01:02:32.349 --> 01:02:35.610 You, this is bad. So he admitted to following the truck, 1278 01:02:35.650 --> 01:02:39.550 the mail truck, most of the morning, waiting

outside Jason's apartment. 1279 01:02:39.860 --> 01:02:42.590 during his break, and while he waited, he was on 1280 01:02:42.610 --> 01:02:45.670 the phone with Devin, who he said told him that 1281 01:02:45.849 --> 01:02:49.369 she wasn't going to harm Jason. He said then he 1282 01:02:49.769 --> 01:02:53.690 briefly spoke to Devin, warning him, or briefly spoke to Jason, 1283 01:02:53.789 --> 01:02:57.489 warning him to watch out for Devin. He told police 1284 01:02:57.510 --> 01:02:59.750 that at that point he felt he had, quote, done 1285 01:02:59.829 --> 01:03:00.389 all he could. 1286 01:03:00.409 --> 01:03:02.230 I did my due diligence. 1287 01:03:02.429 --> 01:03:05.210 I did all I could and went back to Loveland, 1288 01:03:05.469 --> 01:03:08.440 and that was that. So the cops said there was 1289 01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:11.400 extensive thought that went into this murder. Devin's going to 1290 01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:14.380 plant her cell phone and her mail tracker up at 1291 01:03:14.460 --> 01:03:16.420 AJ's house. And as soon as she knows that the 1292 01:03:16.460 --> 01:03:19.519 last location for Jason, that she has a good idea 1293 01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:21.699 where he's going to be, she gets down to Longmont 1294 01:03:21.739 --> 01:03:23.119 from Loveland and this happens. 1295 01:03:23.900 --> 01:03:27.599 She left the tracker devices there and then went out 1296 01:03:27.699 --> 01:03:30.800 in broad daylight and murdered somebody. 1297 01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:36.599 On 45 different cameras. Not smart. So she thought about 1298 01:03:36.659 --> 01:03:39.599 technology very briefly, but not much. 1299 01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:40.840 More than that. Forgot about the ring doorbell. 1300 01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:45.389 Forgot about all that shit. So, by the way, they 1301 01:03:45.429 --> 01:03:49.989 arrest her. They arrest AJ, obviously. While she's in jail, 1302 01:03:50.230 --> 01:03:52.989 there's another ex-boyfriend, by the way, who she's still sort 1303 01:03:53.030 --> 01:03:56.489 of seeing here. His last name is Castaneda. Castaneda. And 1304 01:03:56.710 --> 01:04:00.750 the detective asked her during the interrogation, was it AJ? 1305 01:04:00.789 --> 01:04:02.820 Did Castaneda do this? And she's like, why would you 1306 01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:05.840 even bring him up? Hey, Castaneda. And he's like, I 1307 01:04:05.860 --> 01:04:08.139 don't know. It's one of your boyfriends. Maybe you got 1308 01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:09.780 him to do it. Or maybe he was mad about 1309 01:04:09.820 --> 01:04:13.000 Jason or something. And she's like, no. I don't even 1310 01:04:13.059 --> 01:04:15.860 talk to him. That's silly. So as soon as she's 1311 01:04:15.900 --> 01:04:18.119 in jail, she's talking to him every day on the phone, 1312 01:04:18.139 --> 01:04:21.710 by the way. This Castaneda guy, who's a complete, this 1313 01:04:21.789 --> 01:04:26.150 guy is a fucking tool. Their jail phone calls are 1314 01:04:26.449 --> 01:04:28.639

on YouTube with video. 1315 01:04:28.659 --> 01:04:30.719 Not just on. 1316 01:04:30.820 --> 01:04:32.019 With video. 1317 01:04:32.139 --> 01:04:33.559 You get to see their faces. 1318 01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:37.420 So you can see him crying the entire phone call 1319 01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:41.849 while she is just like not, she has no emotion. 1320 01:04:42.170 --> 01:04:45.989 Stone faced and just like trying to get him to 1321 01:04:46.050 --> 01:04:49.820 help her. So basically they got on the phone because 1322 01:04:49.909 --> 01:04:52.340 he's telling her that, I don't know if you saw yet, 1323 01:04:52.380 --> 01:04:55.239 but what just came out today, AJ confessed to everything 1324 01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:59.820 and let it out. And he gave the police a 1325 01:04:59.920 --> 01:05:03.079 picture of you in the outfit that the murder took 1326 01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:06.260 place in. And she's just silent. She goes, no. 1327 01:05:06.260 --> 01:05:09.650 That little ghost emoji. 1328 01:05:10.030 --> 01:05:13.550 Oh, no. She said that he just tells her everything 1329 01:05:13.590 --> 01:05:16.050 that AJ told the cops. And her response is, quote, 1330 01:05:16.550 --> 01:05:18.269 I'm sorry you had to hear all that on the news. 1331 01:05:19.590 --> 01:05:24.760 She's cold. What? She's cold, man. Yeah. And he says, 1332 01:05:24.860 --> 01:05:26.719 I just wish I could have seen you again. And 1333 01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:28.539 she says, I know. I wish I could see you too. 1334 01:05:29.699 --> 01:05:31.699 And she goes, are you going to be okay? And 1335 01:05:31.739 --> 01:05:32.460 he said, no. 1336 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:35.019 This is real bad. 1337 01:05:35.300 --> 01:05:37.199 And she says, I'm sorry. I wish I knew what 1338 01:05:37.219 --> 01:05:40.210 to say to make it better. Say you didn't kill 1339 01:05:40.250 --> 01:05:43.260 this person. And yeah, I wish I could make your 1340 01:05:43.300 --> 01:05:46.820 situation better, but it's getting worse and it's not your 1341 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:49.320 job to make this better. You know, like that kind 1342 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:53.360 of thing. And so he says, she says, though, I'm 1343 01:05:53.409 --> 01:05:55.730 sorry you're hurting. And he says, I love you. And 1344 01:05:55.769 --> 01:05:58.710 she says, I love you. This is their no relationship, 1345 01:05:58.750 --> 01:06:03.289 according to her. And and I think she says, you 1346 01:06:03.329 --> 01:06:04.849 don't have to say it if you don't want to. 1347 01:06:05.489 --> 01:06:08.510 And he goes, I do. I want to. And she says, 1348 01:06:08.550 --> 01:06:10.329 I know. I'm sorry. I wish I could fix things 1349 01:06:10.389 --> 01:06:13.750 for you. And she said, I don't like seeing you upset. 1350 01:06:14.219 --> 01:06:15.940 And no, I don't want to use the kid's name 1351 01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:18.000 at all because he's still definitely a minor. And her 1352 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:20.820 son's having a hard time because it's in the actual thing. 1353 01:06:21.500 --> 01:06:24.380 But we won't use his name because that's crazy. I 1354 01:06:25.300 --> 01:06:27.809 know you're having a hard time. And he says, yeah, 1355 01:06:27.829 --> 01:06:31.150 I'll still call you every day if you don't. And 1356 01:06:31.190 --> 01:06:32.949 she says, you don't have to if you don't want to. 1357 01:06:33.670 --> 01:06:35.230 And he says, well, I know it's hard for you 1358 01:06:35.269 --> 01:06:38.429 right now. And then he's like, so what do you 1359 01:06:38.449 --> 01:06:41.050 want me to do with your stuff? What do you 1360 01:06:41.070 --> 01:06:42.110 want me to do with all your stuff? 1361 01:06:42.170 --> 01:06:43.710 He's still on the outside. 1362 01:06:43.789 --> 01:06:46.179 Yeah, this guy, yeah, it's her ex-boyfriend. He had nothing 1363 01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:48.099 to do with this. He's not arrested. AJ's arrested and 1364 01:06:48.139 --> 01:06:50.420 in jail, but this guy isn't. He's not arrested. So 1365 01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:54.519 she's got her ex-ex-boyfriend doing her bidding for her on 1366 01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:57.000 the outside. He's like, I'll go clean out your stuff 1367 01:06:57.059 --> 01:06:58.420 in your apartment. What do you want me to do? 1368 01:06:59.590 --> 01:07:01.929 And she says, just sell what you want. Just try 1369 01:07:01.969 --> 01:07:04.110 to keep the jewelry and those personal things that you 1370 01:07:04.150 --> 01:07:06.289 know I like. Everything else can go. It's really not 1371 01:07:06.329 --> 01:07:06.949 that important. 1372 01:07:07.630 --> 01:07:08.449 In case I get out. 1373 01:07:09.289 --> 01:07:12.050 Yeah, in case I get out. At one point he goes, 1374 01:07:12.070 --> 01:07:14.449 because I'm not going to see you for 25 years now. 1375 01:07:16.050 --> 01:07:19.219 It's fucking amazing. He's like an eight-year-old. Yeah. So they 1376 01:07:19.260 --> 01:07:25.000 have a postal procession. They have 47 postal trucks ride 1377 01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:30.409 Schaefer's mail route. As a parade. Yeah, they take 47 1378 01:07:30.409 --> 01:07:34.940 postal vans and they do a memorial procession doing his 1379 01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:39.739 exact mail route every day, which is hilarious. I don't 1380 01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:41.980 mean to laugh. This poor guy is a fucking, but 1381 01:07:42.179 --> 01:07:46.530 that's hilarious. Jason would go, guys, calm down. Chill. You 1382 01:07:46.550 --> 01:07:48.869 don't need to do that. Go around the block once. 1383 01:07:49.110 --> 01:07:51.369 I don't need 47 trucks going down my street. 1384 01:07:51.389 --> 01:07:53.429 That's crazy. Yeah, you're like, what the hell is going 1385 01:07:53.530 --> 01:07:55.550 on out there? Are we being invaded by the post office? 1386 01:07:55.570 --> 01:08:00.769 What's happening? Are they a military force now? Guys, the 1387 01:08:00.809 --> 01:08:02.250 post office is taking over. 1388 01:08:02.289 --> 01:08:07.769 Be

careful. Sorry, my wife's got an Amazon thing. I apologize, guys. 1389 01:08:07.789 --> 01:08:08.570 It's an addiction. 1390 01:08:08.630 --> 01:08:12.639 Christ, that's amazing. So his mom speaks at the memorial 1391 01:08:12.860 --> 01:08:14.679 and says, one thing I've learned through all of this 1392 01:08:14.739 --> 01:08:17.039 is that he was like a little hummingbird, a butterfly. 1393 01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:19.590 He just brought so much joy and whimsy to all 1394 01:08:19.619 --> 01:08:23.779 of us. She said, I thought... Yeah, she said, I 1395 01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:26.659 thought it was me. I would listen for the sound 1396 01:08:26.689 --> 01:08:29.890 of his old mail car. And all the residents were there, too. 1397 01:08:30.710 --> 01:08:33.630 One person said, this answered nothing. It wrecked everybody. It 1398 01:08:33.770 --> 01:08:37.109 wrecked her family, his family, people around him. None of 1399 01:08:37.149 --> 01:08:41.029 this is an answer, meaning the shooting. Postal workers recalled 1400 01:08:41.050 --> 01:08:43.550 him as a great softball player on the post office 1401 01:08:43.590 --> 01:08:46.270 team and a good friend. One guy said, it's been 1402 01:08:46.529 --> 01:08:49.069 a week, and I'm like, are you on long vacation? 1403 01:08:49.430 --> 01:08:52.960 I've been waiting for a text from And to be like, 1404 01:08:53.100 --> 01:08:55.380 I'm so sorry. I can't believe all these people came out. 1405 01:08:56.619 --> 01:09:03.720 So Devin goes to trial here. And her defense is that, well, 1406 01:09:03.739 --> 01:09:06.170 the prosecution is saying that she's upset because he was 1407 01:09:06.210 --> 01:09:09.789 dating her sister. Duh. Pustity stuff. You know, you can 1408 01:09:09.810 --> 01:09:12.670 take the rest from there. The defense said that Devin 1409 01:09:12.729 --> 01:09:17.939 was corrupted by A.J., Oh. That's the real culprit here 1410 01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:21.960 is A.J. They said, quote, Ms. Shriner is not a murderer. 1411 01:09:22.260 --> 01:09:25.489 She was the weapon, but she was A.J. Ritchie's weapon. 1412 01:09:26.470 --> 01:09:27.409 Is that right? 1413 01:09:27.430 --> 01:09:30.489 Even though all the motivation to kill belongs to her, 1414 01:09:30.510 --> 01:09:31.699 not him. 1415 01:09:31.909 --> 01:09:32.649 He's married. 1416 01:09:32.710 --> 01:09:34.090 He has no time for this shit. 1417 01:09:34.109 --> 01:09:37.689 Except for his wandering around following the guy. That's fucked up. 1418 01:09:37.689 --> 01:09:40.479 It's his day off on Wednesday. It's when he usually 1419 01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:45.119 fucks his girlfriend. Instead, he'll do some... The defense said that, yeah, 1420 01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:50.479 that he's corrupted her. So they also said that AJ 1421 01:09:50.539 --> 01:09:53.399 had groomed her since she was a child and that 1422 01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:56.239 they met when she was 13 and he was 20. 1423 01:09:56.239 --> 01:09:58.579 I don't know when a sexual relationship started, but that's 1424 01:09:58.600 --> 01:09:59.560 when they met. 1425 01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:00.420 I hate it. 1426 01:10:00.859 --> 01:10:04.989 They show all of that mountain of evidence, of technological evidence, 1427 01:10:05.050 --> 01:10:07.390 and it is guilty. I mean, there's no way out 1428 01:10:07.430 --> 01:10:07.850 of this shit. 1429 01:10:07.869 --> 01:10:09.149 Maybe we saw you. 1430 01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:13.229 You can watch her on the video doing it. So 1431 01:10:14.149 --> 01:10:18.750 at sentencing, she declined to speak, then moved toward a 1432 01:10:18.890 --> 01:10:22.189 corner and shielded her face from view as the impact 1433 01:10:22.210 --> 01:10:23.090 statements were read. 1434 01:10:23.890 --> 01:10:25.029 She stood in the corner? 1435 01:10:25.130 --> 01:10:31.159 Not good. Jason's parents here, Jason's mother called the son's 1436 01:10:31.220 --> 01:10:33.819 murder a living nightmare. She said her family's lives have 1437 01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:36.659 been destroyed forever, and her grandson is now living with 1438 01:10:36.699 --> 01:10:39.949 relatives in Connecticut. She said, I have not slept since 1439 01:10:40.229 --> 01:10:44.149 his murder. Our lives have always been destroyed. The son 1440 01:10:44.189 --> 01:10:47.470 does not deserve to be without a father. Jason's father said, 1441 01:10:47.510 --> 01:10:49.550 you can hug your son, but I can't hug mine 1442 01:10:49.609 --> 01:10:53.029 due to your calculated actions. And the judge says, I 1443 01:10:53.069 --> 01:10:56.689 got some calculated actions for you. You, ma'am, may fuck 1444 01:10:56.850 --> 01:10:58.760 off life without parole. 1445 01:10:59.449 --> 01:11:00.350 Oh, boy. 1446 01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:02.220 Dick eating line starts that way. 1447 01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:05.039 How many women are serving that? 1448 01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:08.369 That's what I mean. This is cold, man. This is 1449 01:11:08.430 --> 01:11:13.130 fucking cold. So during the trial, they bring AJ to trial, too. 1450 01:11:13.829 --> 01:11:16.109 And during the trial, they show his cell phone being 1451 01:11:16.149 --> 01:11:18.470 tracked along the route. And, I mean, he's just as 1452 01:11:18.850 --> 01:11:21.880 obviously guilty as she is. And there's even a text 1453 01:11:21.939 --> 01:11:25.180 that's read among several. But this is the jewel of 1454 01:11:25.220 --> 01:11:27.779 the text here that he had sent her about a 1455 01:11:27.819 --> 01:11:30.220 month ago that said, quote, you could just kill them 1456 01:11:30.260 --> 01:11:31.939 both and make it look like they killed each other, 1457 01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:37.020 meaning Jason and the sister Rosa. In closing statements, they 1458 01:11:37.039 --> 01:11:39.640 described him as the eyes and ears of Devin Shriner's 1459 01:11:39.699 --> 01:11:43.770 murder operation, and he is found absolutely guilty of first-degree 1460 01:11:43.810 --> 01:11:48.199 murder and

sentenced to, you, sir, may fuck off life 1461 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:49.340 without parole. 1462 01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:52.619 Correctional officer in prison. 1463 01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:57.039 In prison. Hopefully for him, not that prison. So they said, 1464 01:11:57.079 --> 01:12:00.180 with today's guilty verdict, the two people responsible for this 1465 01:12:00.220 --> 01:12:03.140 premeditated and cold-blooded murder will be held fully responsible for 1466 01:12:03.180 --> 01:12:07.100 killing Jason Schaefer while he was delivering mail. Unbelievable. They said, 1467 01:12:07.140 --> 01:12:10.939 the two robbed Jason's family and U.S. postal colleagues of 1468 01:12:10.979 --> 01:12:14.060 a beloved son, father, and friend. Not the postal colleagues. 1469 01:12:14.659 --> 01:12:15.279 God damn it. 1470 01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:17.100 So this is horrible. The guy seemed like a nice 1471 01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:19.399 guy and definitely didn't deserve to be murdered while he's 1472 01:12:20.300 --> 01:12:22.420 No one deserves to be killed at work. That's terrible. 1473 01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:23.539 No, not at work. 1474 01:12:23.579 --> 01:12:25.460 Do it in the off time, for Christ's sake. So 1475 01:12:26.060 --> 01:12:28.600 there you go. There's Longmont. There's a crazy story. Going 1476 01:12:28.619 --> 01:12:30.689 to do the ending real quick here because we're running late. 1477 01:12:30.729 --> 01:12:33.869 Definitely shut up and give me murder.com tickets. 419 is 1478 01:12:33.909 --> 01:12:37.409 the 420 virtual live show. Can't wait. It's available for 1479 01:12:37.449 --> 01:12:39.770 two weeks after it, too, just like a regular live show. 1480 01:12:39.789 --> 01:12:42.189 But in your living room, shut up and give me murder.com. 1481 01:12:42.220 --> 01:12:45.199 Get those. Get your tickets for regular live shows. Chicago, May. 1482 01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:48.119 Get your goddamn tickets right now. Definitely follow on social 1483 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:52.390 media at smalltownmurder on Instagram at smalltownpod on Facebook. Patreon.com 1484 01:12:52.770 --> 01:12:56.050 slash crimeandsports. All your bonus material, $ 5 a month only. 1485 01:12:56.590 --> 01:12:59.630 And you get a huge back catalog immediately upon subscription. 1486 01:12:59.710 --> 01:13:03.010 Hundreds of episodes this week. One crime and sports, one smalltownmurder. 1487 01:13:03.050 --> 01:13:06.109 You get it all. Crime and sports, 2012 Miami Dolphins 1488 01:13:06.130 --> 01:13:10.439 bullying scandal. Amazon reviews killer for smalltownmurder. Crazy killer, serial killer. 1489 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:15.020 Reviewed murder products on Amazon. Patreon.com slash crimeandsports. And you 1490 01:13:15.060 --> 01:13:16.520 get a shout out at the end of the regular show. 1491 01:13:16.850 --> 01:13:18.449 You want to follow us on social media, shut up 1492 01:13:18.489 --> 01:13:21.350 and give me murder.com. Drop down menus, go everywhere. Thank 1493 01:13:21.369 --> 01:13:23.810 you so much, everybody. And until next week, it's been 1494 01:13:23.850 --> 01:13:24.250 our pleasure.