Full Transcript for Has Sean Joined Too Many Bands?

last-minute gig is always enough to throw you off balance, but yeah, they fucking killed it as well. 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:37.599 It was uh just really good turnout, really good vibe. 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:46.319 They set up a stage outside in the parking lot, and again, Liam did a really good job in just how that stage was set up, how cool it looked. 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:54.000 It was honestly, genuinely one of the coolest shows I'd been been at within just what it was the end of August, it was the 29th of August. 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:54.240 Yeah. 00:02:54.319 --> 00:03:02.960 Uh, a couple of highlight bands for me was one called uh Among the Absence, which uh death core band Motherfucker. 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:06.000 That band caught me so off guard. 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:10.479 Had seen them around on socials, but never really interacted with them. 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:14.479 I regret not having done that sooner, because holy shit, that band was dope. 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:23.120 Uh, we had a bit of news though, within like the last two weeks, like the last week or so, the vocalist who I watched perform with the band actually left the band this week. 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:27.280 They've just announced their new vocalist, and you're not gonna fucking believe who it is. 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:28.319 Who? 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:32.159 Jade Osner from Riddlebreak. 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:37.520 Okay, that's an interesting one. 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:42.319 When I saw the announcement that the the previous vocalist name was Ru, and I saw the geez, fuck. 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:47.599 Um, when I saw the announcement that he had left, I just nearly fucked something off of my stage. 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:49.759 What was that gong, bro? 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:51.039 Is that that gong again? 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:58.879 No, I I almost uh chucked my headphone stand off my desk because hands, you know, gonna fucking express myself. 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:02.719 Um but yeah, I was like, holy shit, who's gonna replace this dude? 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:05.759 Because fuck man, like he was a really good vocalist. 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:10.960 Yeah, and then they were like two, three days later, like welcoming Jade on board. 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:18.560 I'm like, I messaged them, I was like, I don't know, I didn't think I I wasn't sure who would replace him, but you guys couldn't have picked better. 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:20.160 I hope there's no bad blood. 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:26.480 Like, I know you know their social media posts said there's no bad blood with the band's with his departure from the band. 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:28.959 But yeah, uh just moving on to other things. 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:33.680 From what I understand, he's also quite young, so probably just a lot going on in life. 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:46.079 While we're on departures, I obviously saw that uh Human Nebula had put up a post asking for like not really asking, but announcing that they're gonna be hosting auditions for a new drama. 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.160 I know that that's been an ongoing thing. 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:52.079 So it really seems like there's uh a lot of rotation going on. 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:52.800 Well, not a lot. 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:59.040 I mean, there's just two bands that we mentioned, but uh bands seem to be some of the bands seem to be shaking things up a bit. 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:00.480 So it's pretty cool. 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:01.279 Yeah, yeah. 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:07.680 Um even at State of the Nation, uh Human Nebula was kind of playing at a bit of like a still a really, really good show. 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:13.040 They I mean they always put on a damn good show, but they had Aiden on drums at State of the Nation. 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.000 So that's that's the main change that I know of there. 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:21.519 Another one, obviously, that stood out now is because was Freedom for Your Life, the the return. 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:27.920 Man, there were a lot of people in that crowd who were unbelievably hyped for that. 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:38.319 And a lot of them that obviously you can see were from the heyday, from the era that that band occupied uh within the scene. 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:43.519 And like we had this conversation with last month's ground up that that band has to be good. 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:53.600 Like we had listened to their music, we've heard stories about them, and yeah, nothing could have prepared me for how fucking good they actually were alive. 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:56.879 It was unfucking believably good. 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:58.800 They had a whole bunch of cameos. 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:03.519 Uh, there was another dude who the whole time was just unbelievably hype. 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:07.920 He kept jumping up onto stage, uh, and then eventually he just took over a whole song. 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.519 Um, I think it was Piandler with like prior. 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:16.319 Uh yeah, Estion did a collab, uh, he also did a feature. 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:23.120 Uh Regan jumped up onto stage, which I think was a bit more spur of the moment because he had his phone trying to read lyrics, which was pretty funny. 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:23.600 Yeah. 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:37.360 Uh, but overall, uh, your your question last month was how would that kind of vibe translate in this with where we are currently with our current music scenes? 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:38.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:38.639 Yeah. 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:43.680 Uh I'm happy to tell you that really fucking well, apparently. 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.959 Uh it went down really well. 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:50.639 Pretty much everyone I spoke to after their set was fucking blown away. 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:56.560 A lot of them obviously having not been involved in the scene when that band was in its heyday. 00:06:56.959

--> 00:07:03.600 So very happy to say, fucking well done. 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:08.720 Uh I don't think many people could have pulled off a comeback like that. 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:24.959 It's so nice, man, when you see bands that were, as you mentioned, you know, back in the in the in the heyday sort of thing, you know, when they come back, especially because a lot of the bands you'll find that were active back then, the members, some of the members have gone overseas, some of the members just aren't doing music anymore. 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:30.240 So getting the bands together, you know, getting everyone to sort of come back and and do this. 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:40.000 And then on top of that, blending in so well with everyone who's sort of active right now, you know, to a point where you know they're making cameos on stage. 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:43.680 I don't think they could have executed any executed it any better. 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:47.040 Let's look at the the something that happened in Mozambique, man. 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:48.639 I know you've got some information on that. 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:50.639 Oh yeah, dude. 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:59.199 I man, first of all off the bat, I would have loved to go and be a part of the show, to go and document it, to just have been there. 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:10.319 Um, so basically, what this was is that Helica rounded up a couple of South African bands to go and play a show in Mozambique. 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:16.480 So Helica, being Chelsea and Alec were, I think, the kind of the brain, the brain children behind this. 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:29.519 And my my conversation with Chelsea, um, just asking for a bit more information with this, just asking how this even sort of came to be, was they've been building a relationship with Stino. 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:32.159 And I don't know if you remember who Stino is. 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:33.440 Yeah, I remember him, yeah. 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:49.759 Uh they met Stino uh basically and quite a while back, and for the last year or so, they have been like fostering this relationship to try and build up this tour route, this relationship for South African bands to go and play in Mozambique. 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:59.039 Because, much to many people's surprise, Mozambique has a very dedicated, albeit like small and niche metal community. 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:11.440 Like, there are a lot of like extreme metal bands that come out of Mozambique, and the bands that they decided to take with them were uh Walk These Skies and Your Cynical Sanity. 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:15.360 So they all missioned up to Mozambique. 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:25.840 Uh Chelsea sent me a whole bunch of videos of what that show looked like, which we will it'll just be b-roll in the background of this conversation. 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:47.120 I genuinely can't express just what an achievement this is because you know, we as South African bands tend to get one very sort of despondent about the the local scene itself, and a lot of guys get start to complain about the viability of touring overseas. 00:09:47.600 --> 00:10:05.039 And the point has been raised a couple of times of why are we not touring to our neighboring countries and Helica basically just brought Helica being Chelsea and Alec basically just proved that this is possible. 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:18.480 I don't think I can properly just express the gravity of what that proves to local bands because I'm pretty sure this is something that Katie has brought up as well in one of his his controversial posts that piss people off. 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:23.039 And you know, it's like, why are you not touring to your neighboring countries? 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:32.960 And no one really has another a really good answer beyond just and yeah, they proved it, and it looked like it was a banger of a show. 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:46.960 I genuinely hope that more bands take up that opportunity, more bands start looking at doing that, and honestly, genuinely grateful to Chelsea and Alec for showing that hey, this is viable, this is possible. 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:54.720 Yeah, we should definitely get them on the show just to expand more on that, on whether it's going to be like an annual thing, a regular thing that they're gonna be doing and so on. 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:08.960 It's really nice as well to just see that they brought, you know, a band from Durban, you know, uh in YCS and also walk these skies so that it's not just the same sort of you know expected lineups. 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:13.120 Uh, they're mixing it up in that regard, and that's definitely appreciated. 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:22.960 So, yeah, when you say other bands should enroll, I really feel like if it's something that's going to be happening on a regular basis, yeah, bands should definitely look at you know, tagging along to that there. 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:30.240 As I say, we should definitely have them on the show just to get a bit more information and in terms of what the future plans are with that. 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:36.720 Perhaps you can even expand, you know, from just you know, Mozambique to maybe some of the other countries. 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:39.840 I know that we've had you know countries like Kenya and so on. 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.559 You always see them when they come through here for Vakin. 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:50.559 So considering that foundation is already there, it would really be epic to just continue building on it and expanding the network and so on. 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:55.360 Yeah, I mean, like I don't think Chelsea and Alec are strangers to that either. 00:11:55.519 --> 00:12:08.159 Um if I'm not mistaken, they've played shows in Botswana as well, when there was that there was there used to be like a pretty like solid tour route between um South Africa and Botswana for metal bands. 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:16.879 But yeah, I definitely think

having them and kind of just giving a breakdown of you know how to build this kind of relationship. 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:22.799 Uh definitely, definitely a good a good way to go forward. 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:24.720 Sorry, whole fucking shutdown there. 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:26.320 And just one last point as well. 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:33.600 I think it's very important to have a variety or options rather when it comes to local bands traveling abroad. 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:36.559 Because can you hear my boy? 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:37.600 I can. 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:45.440 Uh when no, I forgot what it was. 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:47.519 No, I forgot what I was gonna say. 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:51.600 I heard Zaire the background of mine as well a second ago. 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:56.879 So I don't it it's it's good, it's good, it's good for South African bands to have options. 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:06.000 I remember watching the Man Motels episode that you did, and they were speaking about you know, cons consistently touring overseas like Europe and all that there. 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:15.200 But it's also like for some bands, well, some bands will look at that and be like, damn, that's a bit, you know, in terms like financially and so on, it might be a bit of a stretch. 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:26.960 So maybe you know, a neighboring country would absolutely be a beautiful place to start, and expanding that network into other places in Africa as well would be absolutely amazing. 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:30.559 Uh, because those countries also have active sort of scenes and so on. 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:38.720 It would be nice to you know see how things go that side and for them to come back this side, you know, outside of the Vacan Metal battle as well. 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:40.159 So absolutely brilliant. 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:44.639 What the man motels are doing and what Hilika are doing, brilliant stuff. 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:45.440 Yeah, 100%. 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.799 Uh definitely, definitely agree with you there. 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:52.080 What is this Marilyn Manson tribute controversy? 00:13:52.399 --> 00:14:02.240 Yeah, so there was a Marilyn Manson tribute show that happened down in Cape Town, and Marilyn Manson is a very, very divisive figure. 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:12.559 Uh, you know, he's had multiple allegations of physical, sexual, and emotional abuse from uh a variety of from from multiple women. 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:27.200 Uh yeah, so he's not exactly a very savory figure, and you know, there's always this, always this debate of um separate the art from the artist, and it gets uh in this case it's a little bit tricky. 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:28.960 Not actually, it's not tricky. 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:34.559 We in South Africa obviously have a huge problem with gender-based violence. 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:57.919 We have a huge problem with femme femme side, and you know, we have a large, very prominent problem

with this in the country, and doing a tribute show for an artist who is associated so heavily with these things is not a good look. 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:08.639 Uh don't it's uh yeah, and a couple of people pointed this out, a couple of people pointed out and said, Hey, uh this is a terrible fucking idea. 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:13.759 And uh I first of all, I don't know who's responsible for organizing the show. 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:46.639 I actually did not dive that deep into it, but there is a creator on Instagram who went into quite a bit more detail, quite a bit more investigation, and I'm gonna kind of stick to the same reasons as to why I am not kind of publicly naming and shaming people here, uh purely because there's a lot of speculation and very, very heavy allegations against the person responsible for the show. 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:56.559 And what ended up happening was they ended up deleting a lot of the comments of sort of criticism surrounding this event. 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:11.840 And this person who started bringing up these issues, uh she got some really fucking nasty and hateful messages towards towards her. 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:21.919 So that's something that's been a little bit like I don't even want to say a little bit, that's something that's been like a pretty big, like sore talking point within the Cape Town scene. 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:32.000 If you guys are anyone watching this, is based in Cape Town, is kind of more familiar with that whole situation. 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:35.759 Let us know in the comments, let us know what your thoughts are about. 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:44.799 Naz and myself are pretty removed from the people involved, uh being directly in touch with them as far as we are aware. 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:46.639 So let us know what your thoughts are. 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:56.159 Let us know uh what your feelings are about the situation and how it relates to the current like social climate within South Africa. 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:04.319 I don't think the the person should be crucified for having come up with the idea to actually do this tribute show. 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:15.599 I think it rests on what they did after you know this issue was addressed, where people brought this up that now this isn't really the greatest idea because of XYZ. 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:24.640 Initially, I think people can, you know, as you said, there's this whole debate about separating the the artist from the art, right? 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:33.680 So for all we know, this person could have just been like listening to some music, and then a Marilyn Manson song comes on, he's like, ah, this is this is my favorite song. 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:42.079 I want to let's do like a tribute or something, without having fully comprehended what that actually comes with, you know. 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:57.119 So the message that the next thing, yeah, yeah, the message that it may, you know, so maybe they were coming from a position of just being a super fan of the music and they actually didn't think of you know the the baggage that actually comes with that. 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:12.799 But like the moment people bring that up and they say, listen, dude, that's not a good idea, you know, what that person does with that information and what they decide to do in terms of whether they continue with the show or not, is where I feel like we can then start, you know, raising a few eyebrows. 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:26.160 Once the people start saying, you know, bringing it to light that this is the situation, but the person continues with the show, then it is a bit sus, and there definitely should be something said about that. 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:36.160 However, if people bring this to light and the person is like, actually, I did not think about that, you know, I'm definitely not proceeding, then we can look at it in a completely different light. 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:42.079 But as Marcel said, leave it in the comments if you have uh full context of what uh went down. 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.640 It's a very interesting one that you brought up there. 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:46.160 Yeah, no, 100%. 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:59.200 So on my side, bro, there's uh in Durban we had uh All This For Nothing who came down for their tour, and uh it was absolutely brilliant from some of the feedback that I got. 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.079 Unfortunately, it was in line with the death in my family. 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:08.400 So we I was all the way up in Underburg for the first two shows that that happened on the Friday and the Saturday. 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:16.799 I did get feedback from you know Paul and uh Christine as well, and literally about the the first two shows. 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:26.640 And yeah, they you know they were basically praising Durban, they were praising, you know, uh Bolito or that side of the world in terms of you know the people that came through to support. 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:33.680 So it's really awesome just hearing about you know Durbanites actually going out and supporting these bands that come down. 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:41.599 And obviously, the show that I saw uh on Sunday, they had uh Tapson basically there doing the set with them. 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:50.319 It was mostly Paul and him, you know, doing like a duo type thing, but then uh Paul's sister then also joined in, and the rest of the band joined in. 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:56.240 It was so lovely seeing sort of like a stripped back version uh of the band. 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:04.400 Uh, even the drum sets, you know, that they were utilizing isn't your sort of like traditional, you know, it was very laid-back and stripped. 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:15.359 It was a combination of uh covers that they were doing, uh, famous covers, and also then some originals that they had sort of you know done into like an acoustic sort of number. 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:19.119 Uh, they

were also selling some merch there, some really awesome merch. 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:23.279 Uh I got the beanie that uh they gave me as a gift. 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:31.440 I also got myself a t-shirt and also the C D, which is absolutely brilliant. 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:32.880 Oh, that's fucking cool. 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.039 Yeah, it's really amazing. 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:35.839 It's it's brilliant. 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.480 I've I've got it wrapped, I've not opened it up. 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:42.480 Uh, so I have been resorting to like streaming you know the music instead. 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:49.920 I don't think I'll ever open it up, I'll keep it as like you know, a piece of you know, something to hold on to all the servers crash. 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:51.440 You have something. 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:53.119 Exactly, bro. 00:20:53.200 --> 00:21:00.240 I've got something, and you'll remember, I think we are fortunate in that you know a lot of the bands over the years have been giving us sort of like CD. 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:11.119 I don't even know how many of these we have now, all the way back to uh it was uh I don't know if it was it was the loose change EP by Medicine Dolls. 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:13.759 You know, they gave us one of those. 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:16.799 Yeah, they gave us it was uh under my camera. 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:17.119 I can't. 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:23.920 Yeah, it was the mitts gave us you know some CDs, like there's plenty more that we've gotten. 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:28.240 So definitely something good to keep as like a memory and so on. 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:32.079 But yeah, overall, all this for nothing, absolutely brilliant band. 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:34.880 Check out the latest album, nothing is punk anymore. 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:39.039 Uh, it's it's really doing well, it's doing you know good numbers as well. 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:43.599 So excuse me, keep a lookout for that everywhere and the tour as well. 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:46.000 Live, they're an exceptional band. 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.400 And yeah, really good band to look out for. 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:49.920 Yeah, 100%, dude. 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:52.880 And just also just very wholesome people in general. 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:59.519 One more show that I wanted to talk about that I was at uh this month was uh one of the by Pariah Studios. 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:01.680 And that was reject the norm. 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:03.839 And that was at Railways. 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:05.680 I was filming with Dizzy Khaki. 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:07.920 I was one of his uh second shooters. 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:18.319 And uh I wanted well, I'm gonna be doing a full kind of deep dive video into the show because there's a lot of cool premises of what Everett is trying to achieve and what he is actually doing. 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:24.559 So there is gonna be a whole dedicated video to the show and kind of what it means.

00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.759 But what I did get to see was uh a couple of Cape Town bands. 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:29.920 I got to see Static Cat for the first time. 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:32.319 Um Naz, have you seen Static Cat? 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:37.119 Yeah, they used to uh play a lot of Durban shows quite some time back. 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:38.480 So fucking cool. 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:39.839 It's like what shoe gaze? 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:40.559 I don't fucking know. 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:44.640 I enjoyed that fucking thoroughly. 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:49.759 Uh there was Sold Ash, which is one of uh Dolph's mini bands. 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:53.599 So you you know, Dolph from Holvar, from Moonday Gun, dude. 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.880 Sold Ash is one of the fucking coolest bands I've ever seen. 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:03.920 Like, I I don't even know how to fucking describe what that band was. 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.559 There was a band called The Frequency Thieves. 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:13.359 Um, my favorite part about that band is not one person in that band looked like they belonged in a band together. 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:17.599 If you had to see them together, like you'd you would never fucking assume that they were a band. 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:19.519 It is the coolest shit. 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:20.319 Um, yeah. 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:23.119 I also didn't know what to expect musically. 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:25.119 I was also thoroughly impressed by that. 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:29.680 I got to see the boys from Mouse, who I have not seen since the Durban days. 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:32.960 I think the last time I saw Mouse, they were playing at the Winston. 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:35.119 That should tell you about how long ago that was. 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:37.920 Um, really good to see Damon and Chris again. 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:38.880 Holy shit. 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:41.759 Uh Damon is actually in Soldash as well. 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:42.960 Uh back. 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:43.599 Okay. 00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:54.160 So, dude, it's just a it's a star-studded uh yeah, yeah, very eccentric group of musicians, but also incredibly talented musicians. 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:55.920 Um, I'm forgetting someone. 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:02.720 There was the Avery, which is one of Efra Sneyman's bands, uh, also just fucking wonderful to watch. 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:14.559 So, with the just dropped, uh, I firstly want to sort of enter that segment by just uh basically sending a shout out to the bands that have been submitting their stuff on Sahara. 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:21.039 It really is one of the sources that we utilize also just for announcing some of the stuff that is just dropped. 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:22.000 So, shout out to that. 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:25.200 Mostalasi, you've got two singles here that you're hyped about. 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:26.720 Tell us a bit more about those. 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:27.759 Yeah, dude, absolutely. 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.400 Internet Girl are back out and dropping music again. 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.359 Uh, they've released a song called All the Same. 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:39.599 And yeah, listen, if you're familiar with Internet Girl, pretty much anything that they release is worth a listen. 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:41.200 Go check it out. 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:44.079 Uh, I believe there is a music video. 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:46.319 Uh, knowing these guys, there is. 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:49.039 Uh, I just want to make absolutely sure. 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:57.200 Uh actually, with the they do, it's it's it's part of an upcoming album that they're dropping, I believe, in November called Yes. 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.079 I I absolutely love these guys. 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:05.599 And they dropped actually another single as well with uh I think it's like an American artist, bro. 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:07.519 Oh, it's called The Business. 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:11.359 Kenny Mason. 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:13.440 So they dropped something with them, yeah. 00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:14.240 The business. 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.599 And these two tracks apparently are from the upcoming album. 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:19.599 So it's you are correct. 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:21.200 It is Kenny Mason, yes. 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:27.519 Yeah, so it's absolutely brilliant having a local band that's so like tapped in internationally. 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:29.279 Like I think they're flying the flag high. 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:29.759 100%. 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:41.920 They've got just they've got such a I believe like a unique sound to them, and they just I think they just captulize like so many different aspects of like us as a people. 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:47.519 I think they just merge some like interesting elements together, and yeah. 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:58.559 I saw a funny interaction on uh X the other day where uh the announcement was made, I think, of the single that you mentioned all the same, and you had a random okay. 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:00.160 Let me not call them random. 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.359 I'll I'll on X, this is another interaction. 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:07.599 So a guy, a local guy says industry plants, right? 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:14.799 And then someone else responds by saying, What industry in South Africa were they planted? 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:17.039 You're embarrassing the country. 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:23.519 You're embarrassing the country, and then this dude responds by saying, Name five internet girl songs. 00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:25.359 You're embarrassing the country. 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:29.920 Nobody in the country knows about their existence, plus that song is garbage. 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:34.079 But then the other guy's just like uh the music industry is way too small for industry plants here. 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.039 I'm a piano's the only genre

that's been popping in the country. 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.599 Stop trying to be dumb or to be as dumb as the Americans. 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:44.480 Lol, they're rock band, he just happens to rap. 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:45.920 You know, it was like a back and forth. 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:46.960 I found it quite funny. 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:49.839 Yeah, uh, but like it's it's one of yeah. 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.559 What fucking yeah, I I agree with that guy 100%. 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:54.160 What fucking industry? 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:55.920 Like, yeah, it's sure. 00:26:56.079 --> 00:27:07.759 Like there is and I I I'm fucking flabbergasted, dude, because it's like it's at the at it at its core, internet girl is alternative music. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:12.880 I'm like, if they were an industry plant, you would be hearing them on radio stations. 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:21.599 On they would like, does this person understand what an industry plant is and the resources that they have available to them? 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:35.519 Yeah, like these are just what internet girl is three guys um who I do not doubt that they have connections, but they fucking worked for those connections. 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.640 Okay, and they're very fucking good at what they do. 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:52.960 I think it's one of those things, bro, where it's like it's it's also a sign that you're doing well when people start saying you're industry plans, and also it's like it's like that 2010 era where it's like every person who was successful was in the Illuminati. 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:57.839 It's one of those like if you if you get in those Illuminati claims, you're in, bro. 00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:58.799 Like you're tapped in. 00:27:59.119 --> 00:27:59.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:01.440 You made it, you made it, you've made it. 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:03.519 That's fucking amazing. 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:03.920 I love that. 00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:06.640 Ill System, you mentioned Ill System, yeah, bro. 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:07.440 What are they dropping? 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.039 Yeah, Il System released a single called Opinions. 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:15.279 If you're familiar with Ill System, pretty much on brand for them. 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:19.279 Uh, just a interesting blend of music. 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:24.160 Um like I don't even know how to fucking I'm always on the spot. 00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.079 Like, do I even know how to describe music? 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.079 This song is pretty cool, if I'm not mistaken. 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.400 Like, did they did they release a music video? 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.039 Or am I just thinking of the TikToks that I saw for this? 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:39.359 Um if I could spell system, that would be so great. 00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:43.599 Um I can't even spell opinions. 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.359 That's actually fucking hilarious. 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:46.799 Spell systematic. 00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:47.519 Oh, geez. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.200 Actually, I do know how to spell that one. 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:50.240 It's C-I-S. 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:54.079 That's not how you would normally spell systematic. 00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:55.920 I actually do know that one. 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:56.400 Okay, yeah. 00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:59.039 So all I'm actually, there's no music video for this as of yet. 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:01.680 I'm just thinking of all the the promo clips that they've done online. 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.799 Promo stuff. 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:03.519 I saw those as well. 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.599 Yeah, like walking along, I think it's like the boardwalk uh in Cape Town. 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:12.720 I don't know why this is coming to mind, but there was that band back in the day called 12 Foot Ninja. 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:17.599 If you enjoy 12 Foot Ninja, I feel like you would enjoy Ill System. 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:29.119 I that might seem like the Ill System guys might not agree with me in the slightest, but the moment I heard that song, I was like, I have to go listen to 12 Foot Ninja now. 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:30.240 I I don't know why. 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.680 It's just maybe my brain made that connection. 00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.519 I remember watching the Ill System interview that you did. 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.759 I think the the homie's name is Art. 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:41.440 Yeah, the the drummer, yeah. 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:42.079 Shout out. 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:43.599 I I have no words. 00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.880 Like, do we check out the Ill System interview that Marcel did? 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:58.880 Because holy smokes, like he's so he can't, he's very you just need to watch that episode to understand how cool this guy is and how knowledgeable he is about what he's doing. 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:14.960 Like, I got the impression he's one of the smartest people that we have in South Africa as a musician, and also he's also got an incredibly dry sense of humor, and he's just the game, he's and I've even seen I I think I've even seen like an there was even an interaction. 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:21.599 Oh, remember that remember the Dwayne interview that we with the Dwayne one, the famous Dwayne interview. 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:42.480 Um even his interaction, like he I think he's one of the people who commented against some of the people that had like some sort of backlash and so on, and his reasoning, you know, the things that he was saying was like on top of the ill system interview, plus the way that he engages with like sort of conflict and stuff. 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.359 Just check out the ill system interview that Marcel did. 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:46.079 You'll know what I'm saying. 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:48.640 All around, dude. 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:49.359 Incredible. 00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:53.279 So it's not

surprising that ill system is as good as they are as well. 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:59.440 Yeah, and you've also got some releases um that uh that you've got been that have been on your eye. 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:04.079 Yes, uh, so obviously I've already mentioned uh all this for nothing. 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:05.839 Uh they obviously dropped the album. 00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:08.480 I think it's it's public news now already. 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:12.400 We did uh an interview with them as well, looking at the album. 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:16.240 It was uh Paul and Christine, brother and sister Due there. 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:22.319 And yeah, if you need more information or details regarding that album, uh check out that episode. 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.240 It's uh it's jam-packed full of just information about the album. 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:33.039 And also then the one that I was really excited about uh was Daisy Ars in Parasites, where they feature Red Helen. 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.960 Uh obviously Brandon joined in, Eric joined in on that one. 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:38.720 There's even a music video. 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:47.680 I don't think there's any anything that Kaylee is part of is always gonna have an incredible music video, like international standard. 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:48.400 So shout out to it. 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:49.359 Can I tell you something? 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:51.200 Can I tell you something about this release? 00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:55.839 I have known about this for like over a month. 00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:56.559 Wow. 00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:57.119 Okay. 00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:11.440 Kaylee just told me um when we shot, I think at July Jewel, um, where we should we shot some bands there, and she was also doing some camera works with some footage that we used for no closure. 00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:15.119 And she told me she's like, you can't tell anyone this. 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:16.720 Red Helen is making a comeback. 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:24.319 I've known for months that I've had to sit here and be like, fucking whenever I talk about Red Helen, I'm like, something's coming. 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:25.279 Something I know. 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:26.079 Oh god. 00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:33.200 I didn't even fucking tell you that I knew that's wild. 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:34.079 That's so wild. 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:35.920 How did you keep it inside for so long? 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.119 Dude, dude. 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:42.799 I it's it's an incredible music video. 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:44.000 I don't know if you checked it out. 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:45.920 I haven't seen the music video as a V8. 00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.319 No, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go check that out a little bit later. 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:50.799 I don't know how they do it. 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:55.279 Like, yeah, I almost fucking combusted when she told me. 00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.359 I was like, I done almost both of

the flames. 00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:59.200 I was so fucking excited. 00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:28.720 So that's so that song, I even I sourced out the credits for that, composed, uh produced, mixed, and mastered by Eric uh Gerber, and also the video was produced by Nicole and uh Kaylee, obviously, and uh obviously it was directed by Mo Gangat and Kaylee as well, and filmed by Marco DuPlois and Estion Smith, as well as Kaylee, and it was edited by Kaylee and Marco. 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:37.039 So, you know, whenever these people come together, man, it's always gonna be the cleanest music video to come out of South Africa, in my opinion. 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.720 They have the equipment, they have the skills. 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:44.160 It's yeah, it's just mind-blowing to me without failing, actually. 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:59.279 I mean, because between the two of us, we're both amateur like videographers at this point, like you know, um, we're we're still very new to the game, and we just look at people like this and we're like a whole fucking inspiration. 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:01.920 I've told Kaylee multiple times, dude. 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.480 I look at your shit and I dream. 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.680 Like you make me want to get better at what I'm doing. 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:17.039 Like we need her to give us the the the the course, like you know, like give us the course. 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:18.320 We must sign up. 00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:21.519 Also, she uh her and Estion recently got married. 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:22.480 Congrats, guys. 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.840 Uh just as a public yeah congratulations. 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:35.679 It's so nice when we get those sort of like announcements because during the ATFN episode, Paul announced that he's having twins. 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:36.800 No, yes, twins. 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:37.920 Yeah, he said he's having twins. 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:38.239 Oh what? 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:39.519 And they're coming soon. 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:40.320 Yeah. 00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:42.000 So fucking great. 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:43.440 It's it's all this so good. 00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:44.960 Good fucking luck, dude. 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:45.519 Good luck. 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.280 Okay, so I want to take a moment to talk to you. 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:51.360 Specifically, you. 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:59.760 This episode is sponsored by us by Sludge Underground, and we need you to show some interest in our merch. 00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:10.960 We have a merch store online, we have a variety of cool things like that beanie that Naz is wearing, like this hat that I am wearing, and a couple of stick shirts. 00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:12.639 Naz, do we have hoodies? 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:14.960 Yes, on the on the store, definitely. 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:16.960 We have hoodies as well. 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:22.480 So, what you're gonna do is you're gonna go to the Legend of Grand store online, which you can get to through our website. 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:26.000 There will be a link to it in the description of this video. 00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:38.480 If you love us, if you love what we do, and you would like to represent outside of the internet in the real meetings, go and check out the store buy a shirt, buy a cat, buy a beanie. 00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:41.119 We'd love to see you guys identify. 00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:46.400 There has been a guy at Sho that I've never met or spoken to that I've been seeing wearing Slideshirt. 00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:50.639 Whoever you are, if you're watching this, you're a pretty tall, I think you're ginger. 00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:52.159 I fucking love you, dude. 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:53.199 We've never spoken. 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:55.360 But thank you for buying our shirt. 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.239 And then now we're onto the global stage news. 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:06.960 Uh so this is basically where we talk about recent global music-related news that could also affect the scene. 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:08.880 I see you've uh okay. 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:09.920 This one is actually me. 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.400 Um I'm I'm on here for the first one. 00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:19.360 So yeah, so for for me, it would be the Slipknot uh single, Arsenal. 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:25.599 Obviously, it's been a couple of weeks since uh it's really it's been released and it met some mixed reviews. 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:33.039 Uh many people uh obviously, or some people thinking it's absolute dog shit, some people thinking it's not that bad. 00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:37.679 For me, it sounded like a whole lot of noise, but um, yeah, I don't know. 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.400 Maybe it's like something that grows on you after some time. 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:58.159 It's something that uh Mike uh Pocock definitely seems to think because I remember him doing a video on Instagram uh that he put up, and he was mentioning how you know it it took a couple of spins for him to sort of get used to it, and um, yeah, I mean it's it's something that's obviously. 00:36:58.239 --> 00:36:58.800 I don't know, man. 00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:00.159 What did you think of that single? 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.320 I don't know if you gave it a listen, but um it's a bit different. 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:12.079 For me, I feel like it doesn't have the things that I would listen to Slipknot for. 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:32.320 Um I don't know, there there seems to be like uh a bit of like a hollowness to it in terms of sound, like in terms of like um it it feels a lot flatter and not there how the fuck do I explain this? 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:33.599 Just get let me get it. 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:35.599 You're making sense okay. 00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:53.679 So a a large part of the reasons that I enjoyed Slipknot is it was dark, it was muddy, yes, it was chaotic, but there was this a very like sense of organization

layered under it, you know, because Slipknot was a band of like fucking 10-15 people. 00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:58.400 I can't remember the exact number off the top of my head, but it was a very organized chaos. 00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:05.599 And I agree with you in the sense of like the DJ stuff used to be very well layered. 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:10.000 Here it just kind of feels thrown in, like for whatever. 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:29.679 It feels like the song has very little no end, or very little to no low end compared to like what Slipknot used to be before, and obviously the memes about this are fucking great because you know a big part of the controversy with like Slipknot at the moment is that people just keep getting fucking fired. 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:36.880 Um, more and more people keep getting kicked out of the fucking band. 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:46.639 Um so look, I love my favorite is uh all band is gone, is my favorite, like one of my favorite things that I've been seeing about this. 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.119 Uh if you look at the have you read any of the comments on the music video on YouTube? 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:52.079 Not yet, bro. 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:52.480 Not yet. 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.519 Uh, one of them is I push my fingers into my ears. 00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.639 Uh, which is there's one that I sent to you now on on thing, bro, on your WhatsApp. 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:02.880 Let me check. 00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:04.960 Let me check that out quickly. 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.719 Yeah, this shit sounds like ass. 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.400 Drop it. 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:14.320 So you got all the memes out the way. 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:45.519 Got more fucking memes coming, actually, because uh talking about the next uh release that also got uh which is also, but obviously by band that is always surrounded in controversy because of their front band Falling in Reverse uh released a song that uh on paper should be like super hype because it is falling in reverse featuring Corey Taylor of Slipknot and Serge Tankian of System of a Down. 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:52.400 Now, like obviously, uh a teenage Marcel would have been fucking ecstatic about this. 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.920 There's also been like a massively mixed reception about this. 00:39:56.159 --> 00:40:01.360 Uh, I personally don't listen to a lot of falling in reverse um anymore. 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:05.280 Uh I just yeah, it doesn't necessarily appeal to me. 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:12.159 Um, I know Ronnie Radke is just all permanently in some kind of internet beef. 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:17.039 I know he lost his lawsuit against Fontano, which was a very entertaining saga. 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:17.920 I don't know if you saw that. 00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:20.079 There was a lawsuit, yeah, dude. 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:26.159 He fucking sued uh Ronnie Radke sued uh Fontano and lost. 00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:28.079 Damn. 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.239 So that was uh that was great. 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:38.800 Um obviously, like a lot of the complaints about this are like a big part of like the issues with Fortune Reverse is that it's it's corny. 00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:46.559 And like one of the memes that got made was like, why is this motherfucker always shooting laser beams out of his eyes in his music videos? 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:48.000 And it was just a montage. 00:40:48.079 --> 00:41:07.519 I was like, Oh, that's all just for one music video, and I realized, wait a fucking minute, it is from every like recent music video, he's always like shooting laser beams, and like I gave the song like a couple of listens, and one of the main complaints was that it's the the instrumentals sound really bad for this song. 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:15.519 And from my perspective, I don't know if that's just hating for the sake of hating, it sounds like a falling and reverse song for some people. 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:16.880 That's enough for it to sound bad. 00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:23.039 Featuring Corey Taylor, nothing Slipknot seems to be touching is is good these days, apparently, dude. 00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:27.039 And you know, it's just a wonder, like it's just wondering, are your idols falling off? 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:43.440 Is the landscape of the music changing, or are these guys just trying to or is it like a case of like your your idols trying to stick to trends or create trying to stay relevant and in turn losing what made them special in the first place? 00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:50.159 There's so many like debates, I mean, as to what could be the issue there. 00:41:50.320 --> 00:42:00.320 I think a big part of the problem with falling in reverse is just because of what a sort of uh divisor, like divisive figure Ronnie Radke herself himself is. 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:08.480 I don't think the band would be nearly as much in the spotlight if it wasn't for his personality, you know. 00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.119 I fuck, fuck no dude. 00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:16.000 I but yeah, um I don't particularly like the song. 00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:29.679 It doesn't really like I said, on on paper with the people who are featuring on it, it should be fucking dope, but it's just I don't know, it's kind of it feels like forced hype to me. 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.960 Um I don't think it's a particularly bad song. 00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:40.320 I don't think it's the worst thing that they've ever put out, but at the same time, it's just it doesn't really fucking appeal to me. 00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:42.000 You've got some Ed Sheeran news. 00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:47.199 Yeah, so like for anyone who is living under a rock and doesn't really know what the fuck's going on, aka me. 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:50.320 Ed Sheeran is on a tour at the moment. 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:54.320 He is or what uh yeah, he's still on tour, the the loop tour. 00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:00.159 And he part of that act had

Macklemore opening up for the show. 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:23.599 Now, for anyone who is a fan of Macklemore or just knows anything about Macklemore, he is very passionate about human rights, about a variety of he's just a pretty stand-up guy, to be honest, and he has been extremely vocal about what has been happening in Gaza and the sort of atrocities that have been committed to the people of Palestine. 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.480 And this isn't news, this isn't fucking surprising. 00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:48.159 Okay, like this man has very publicly been extremely vocal about this, and of course, during the show or when he was opening for Ed Sheeran, he made the comment of Free Palestine, and that pissed a couple of people off. 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:59.840 One of them being uh your favorite billionaire by a man of the name by a man of a man by the name of Robert Craft, who owns Gillette. 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:12.960 At the stadium, uh, seemed to be really offended by those two words, and he basically reached out to Ed Sharon's team, which led to McLemore being dropped from the show. 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:17.840 Now, shit like this has happened in the past, all right. 00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:31.840 And Ed Sharon is famously like known for saying he does not take sides politically, and that is there are a bunch of other creators out there who have gotten into significantly more detail about how that's not the case, and a lot more of the specifics about this. 00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:38.800 But at the end of the day, this turned out to be a massive fucking blunder for Ed. 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:50.559 It has unfortunately not I wouldn't say unfortunately, but it has caused a massive public backlash against him for being a spineless fucking coward. 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.800 Uh mainly because McLamore is supposed to be his friend. 00:44:55.119 --> 00:45:07.440 Uh like there is a from what I gather, they're apparently friends, and he instead of turning around and being like, uh yeah, fucking billionaire dude, I'm not gonna let you fuck kick my buddy off of my tour, uh, he just complied. 00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:19.840 And in solidarity, pretty much every other opening act also fucking ditched the tour, including the act that was serving as Ed's band. 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:32.639 And then he made the most like PR sanitized a public apology uh on stage, where you could clearly see that he's uh reading off a teleprompter and all sorts of shit. 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:36.320 Um, so yeah, let us know your thoughts on that drama. 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.719 So recent local music-related news that could affect the scene. 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:47.440 So, what I had here was about obviously Sean joining another band, Daisy Arsen, he's now a part of that. 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:49.679 Him and Steven have joined that. 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:54.559 And uh basically Marcel came and added he's also joined another band called Heelter. 00:45:55.039 --> 00:46:01.920 So yeah, so like, yeah, there's I think a lot of people have been sort of asking themselves, you know, whether this guy gets any sleep. 00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:09.039 I actually took some um extracted some of the comments there uh in the Daisy Arsene announcement. 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:11.840 Uh Kim basically said, When do you sleep, dude? 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:23.599 Uh a homie called him Ra and said, Damn, SA Metal really getting to a point where it's 12 people in 50 bands at the same time, or just 12 Sean's in 50 bands at the same time. 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:30.239 Mind you, Sean was literally just like, Yes! Yes, yes, to each response. 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:30.880 Yes. 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:34.400 And then one last one from existential. 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:41.519 Sean, not only carrying the scene, but at this point, bro, is the scene single-handedly. 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.559 So this dude is in so many bands, it's absolutely crazy. 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:48.480 At what point is he the bonny blue of South African music? 00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.360 Um, so yeah, Sean, good luck. 00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:53.920 Um, I don't know when Zany ever sees you. 00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:56.719 And like the the he's a yeah, the the man he'll turn. 00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:58.320 Do you want to know how I discovered that? 00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:00.159 I was scrolling through TikTok. 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:03.280 I stumbled across the Railways Live. 00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:14.719 And I as I was scrolling past the Railways Live, because they've been doing a lot of TikTok lives of shows that have been happening at Railways, I had a sudden moment of who wait a second, I know that person. 00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:16.320 Wait a second, that's Sean. 00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:25.760 And I'm sitting here and I'm watching it, I'm like going through my mind of like that's does that's not sunken state, that's not Raptor Baby. 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:30.639 And like, I was sort of like trying to process and like what fucking band is that? 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:35.039 And then it was like, oh, it's Hilton, it's another band that he's drawing. 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:36.320 We've got Jack White. 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.280 Okay, so you you said Jack White's doing something, yeah, dude. 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.360 So Jack White has announced South African tour dates for the first time. 00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:51.599 And obviously, if you were a fan of the White Stripes, uh beyond Seven Asian Army, uh, that's really fucking cool. 00:47:51.840 --> 00:48:02.880 Um, I think a lot of people, like especially from my age group, are huge fans of Jack White and kind of his contributions to music in general. 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.880 So that is something I personally would love to fucking see. 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.960 Um yeah, but it's just a big, a big thing. 00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:18.800 And I feel like a lot of these kind of announcements where it's it's a

big artist, but also not necessarily a household name. 00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:24.320 We have a lot of these artists coming to the South to South Africa recently, and you just don't hear about it until it's over. 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:29.679 So yeah, um, Jack White is coming to South Africa, which is fucking dope. 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:30.079 Nice. 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:35.280 I hope Durban is uh one of the dates, but obviously it won't be nope. 00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:37.119 It's Joe Burgen Cape Town. 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:37.760 Get fucked. 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:39.599 Hello, darkness male. 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.360 Middle grounds is back. 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:45.760 Uh they've got two new members. 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:52.639 They have got Anton, who is on guitar, and they have got who the fuck was playing bass again? 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:53.599 It's Corne. 00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.719 Cornet, who plays for Crash in the Void as well. 00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:03.039 Two incredibly talented musicians and have turned out to be absolutely great fits for middle ground. 00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:06.719 I unfortunately did not get to go out to the show. 00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:23.039 However, Alex, Alex Sweden, the drummer of Drunk Wizard and also a photographer with the most dashing mustache you have ever seen in your lives, uh, got some footage of that show for me and that was absolutely great. 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:27.679 It was also the return of Le Focalordie with their new members. 00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.400 So that was also I pretty fucking bleak that I missed it. 00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:34.960 Uh Shanesseh, actually, who was on the show. 00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:42.320 Why am I Shanesh's name just triggered a whole triggered a he turned me into Mike Tyson, dude? 00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.199 Um anyway. 00:49:46.239 --> 00:50:04.719 Uh yeah, so Shanesh actually jumped onto stage for a surprise cameo with the boys, and I think that just further proves what Shanesh said in that episode that there is no bad blood between him and the rest of the LaForca Lordie boys, which is extremely, extremely wholesome to hear. 00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:16.719 Um, I'm low-key kind of glad I wasn't there because I'm gonna be honest, middle grounds and LaForca Lordie in the Irish sounds like a recipe for me to get my shit rocked while I'm holding a camera. 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:23.840 Uh, the last time I was at the Irish, I got battered and fucking bruised because that was gallows, ghast, no closure. 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:26.480 I just got the shit beaten out of me constantly. 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.360 So I kind of like 50-50. 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:35.760 However, someone unironically, unironically, got their shit rocked. 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:42.800 Uh some dude decided it would be a great idea to inappropriately touch a woman at the show. 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:50.320 And I ended up trying my process of trying to find out what happened, speaking to

the victim directly. 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:59.119 Oh, yes, and she basically explained to me what happened, what this guy did, uh, which was pretty, pretty fucked up. 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:05.280 Um, I'm not gonna name her specifically because I don't think that's what you really want to be known for. 00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:10.880 Uh, you know, it's a pretty shitty experience in general. 00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:12.880 I also don't know. 00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.039 Yeah, so he let's see. 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:25.039 Uh, this dude at the show last night, while me and my friend were talking, had walked past us and unconsensually grabbed and caressed me on a place he shouldn't have at my thigh while saying hello to my friend, and then walked away. 00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:32.800 Now, someone was very much unhappy with this behavior and rocked that dude's shit. 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:39.039 They went and found him and they uh fucking took him out, to the best of my understanding. 00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:48.239 We had someone in the Discord saying that they were there, that they were standing behind the dude when they got his shit rocked, and that saying that he got his shit rocked was an understatement. 00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:50.079 So, yeah, just a heads up. 00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.880 Uh, don't fucking touch woman inappropriately at Chose. 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:53.679 Just fucking ever. 00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:58.800 I hope you know, brother, that you were the poster, child for uh do not fucking touch woman at shows. 00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:03.920 But I also love the fact that you tried to do this at a middle ground show, at a LaFookalordi show. 00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:10.000 Two bands who are extremely outspoken against this kind of behavior. 00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.159 Talk about failing to read the room. 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:21.599 Dude, dude, you like of all the places you could have chosen to fuck around, you chose the place where you were gonna find out the most. 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:28.320 Because those are those are two bands who are again very, very publicly outspoken about this. 00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:36.320 And I'm glad that of all the places it could have happened, it happened at a show where people will not take that behavior lying down. 00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:40.079 So, brother, wherever you are, I hope you never come to a show again. 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:51.360 Yeah, we've got uh yeah, so altfest uh is gonna be a thing that's gonna be coming up, and uh the homie's there basically did like a QA the other day. 00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:58.800 So it's something worth actually checking out because quite a few people have like questions regarding the events and what's happening. 00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:24.239 And basically, you know, one or two things that were actually covered on there, which I had noted down, is that uh basically the genres that are going to be there because someone asked what the genres are, they mentioned they're

mentioned, they're mentioned, they mentioned it will be metal, drum and bass, and all things in between, and also that the first lineup will drop in October of 2026. 00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:31.920 So those are some of the questions that were answered, and I think just from those two, I think it sets the tone in terms of what people can expect. 00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:40.480 And yeah, also just to look forward to the month of October because yeah, the the more details will come up in terms of the lineup. 00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:43.280 From what I understand, they're releasing it in segments as well. 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:45.679 So that's definitely something to look out for. 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.480 I have no idea who the internationals are going to be as of yet. 00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:50.079 Are you sitting on another secret, dude? 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.159 Are you sitting on another red helen thing here? 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:53.760 Because you're full of surprises. 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:59.679 It's not already you probably know who it is, but you just I actually I really, really don't. 00:53:59.920 --> 00:54:09.840 Um but like I am also deeply uh I don't know if you watched the live or if you got this information from the a the videos that they posted recently. 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:17.119 Um I was in that and someone actually dropped a comment of they would love to see us there doing sludge quickies. 00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:20.960 Um that would be pretty dope. 00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:25.280 We will we will very likely see you there and ask you questions. 00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:26.239 Yeah, let's do it. 00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:32.880 But yeah, there was a there's a there's a few more like of those videos releasing, like with uh answering a couple of questions. 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:39.119 Uh the people involved in this is obviously uh people who know what they're doing, they've been around for a while. 00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:40.800 It is their first festival. 00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:46.400 Um and I do like the idea that they are not being overly ambitious. 00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:55.199 They definitely are trying to do something cool, but they are not trying to do too much at once, if that makes sense. 00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:05.679 Uh, that is uh Sonage, it is Norwood, uh, it is uh church and Emilith events that are all kind of grouped together to make this happen. 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:12.719 If you aren't a part of our Discord yet, uh this is an opportunity to do so. 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:20.880 We have the links in the description, and yeah, it's basically a place where we have some conversations about anything that is happening in the scene. 00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:30.400 We get some very interesting opinions on there regarding just even some of the topics that we've had today on this episode, you know, what various people seem to think. 00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:36.639 Uh, and yeah, it's a safe space where no one is judged, and we all

just chime in where we have an opportunity and where we can. 00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:42.960 So if you aren't following the Discord, do head on over to the link in our description and uh join that there. 00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.840 Marcel, I know you've got a scene shout-outs that you want to do. 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:46.639 What's happening? 00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:47.599 Yeah, dude. 00:55:47.679 --> 00:56:00.880 So uh recently, uh Austin, uh he is one of my favorite people out there, and he used to be the well, yeah, Savage Lucy is no longer a band, they've called they've finally called it a day. 00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:11.760 But yeah, what Austin has been doing is he's been doing live streams and just getting people to submit their music, and he listens to it on stream and he gives his thoughts about your music. 00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:16.000 And I need to warn you in advance of doing this. 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.119 Austin does not pull any punches. 00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:26.159 If what you have submitted is either cuck or he does not like it, he is going to very much tell you that. 00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:33.440 Um, if you are not ready to hear criticisms about your music, um maybe just lay off on that. 00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.880 But yeah, he's taking a little bit of a break at at the moment of it. 00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:42.239 If I'm not mistaken, he's recently moved and he's just kind of just settling into life at the moment. 00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.199 But I definitely recommend checking that out. 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:54.159 He has moved the live streams over to YouTube, uh, just due to Facebook being super weird with live streams about a variety of reasons. 00:56:54.400 --> 00:57:04.000 And yeah, I highly recommend giving his channel a sub so when he does start doing it up again, you can learn about some new music as well as submit your own and get his thoughts. 00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:06.800 He is a very seasoned musician. 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:15.039 Uh, he has, I would genuinely think there is a lot of value in what he has to say about your music. 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:21.199 So if you're up for a little bit of criticism or him potentially loving it, give it a give it a go. 00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:22.719 Give it send it through to him. 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:26.639 Yeah, as I mentioned earlier, uh, do also check out Sahara. 00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:32.480 That is a platform that we have where you can literally go there and submit any of the music that you have released this month. 00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:37.920 There are links straight to all the relevant sort of sites and platforms where your music is. 00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:51.280 It just helps centralize everything, you know, it helps people know exactly where to go to find absolutely all the releases that have you know that are out in this month and the previous months and so on and so forth. 00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:55.440 It doesn't disappear, it stays there forever for people to sort of access. 00:57:55.599 --> 00:58:00.559 So if you do have new music out, uh don't hesitate to go there and submit. 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:05.679 You should have all the details and information in terms of how to submit the music on the page itself. 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:12.239 Uh, we will leave the link to the Sahara page directly for you to be able to submit that as well. 00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:19.199 Yeah, guys, one of the best ways to keep the platform going and to just show your support in general is to grab some merch. 00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:21.119 We have a merch store online. 00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:27.599 You can go through either on our website and there are links to it pretty much on all of our socials. 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:32.960 Doing a purchase of some merch is a great way to just help keep this platform going. 00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:38.639 Probably now the best way to keep the platform going would be our monthly subscription. 00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:42.159 So we essentially have a link that you can go and check out. 00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:50.639 And if you are a fan of what we are doing and would like to continue to see us do what we do at the rate that we do it, this does make things a lot easier. 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:58.639 Uh so it's literally just a link that you go into and then you decide how much it is that you want to send through to us as a token of appreciation or support. 00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:04.480 And uh yeah, that basically uh takes care of the expenses that go into the podcast. 00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:09.760 Obviously, it's a labor of love, so it's something that we do literally from our own pockets. 00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:19.360 Uh, but yeah, having something like this does help in terms of just it being easier for this to keep being a thing for us where months may be a bit difficult financially. 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:20.880 And yeah. 00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.360 Shout outs to the people that have already subscribed. 00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:24.960 I know you've got some names there, Marcel. 00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:30.320 Yeah, man, it is the one and only Mike Pacock as well as Renee. 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:33.599 These are our two lifelines to this world. 00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:35.760 We absolutely love you guys to bits. 00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:39.199 Thank you so much for your continued support of this platform. 00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.480 I again, we cannot express how much we love you guys. 00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:46.239 It very much feels like that meme of we'd like to thank Bobby for coming out tonight. 00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:49.039 Um, you guys, you have our backs. 00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:51.920 We see you, we we love you always. 00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:54.400 So, yeah, that's it from me. 00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:54.800 Nice. 00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:55.920 So, how about you? 00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:58.320 Yeah, that's pretty much it from my side as well. 00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:07.199 Want to thank you, the audience, and who has tuned into this episode to listen to Marcel and I just rant and go on about the things that have been happening in the scene. 01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:11.280 And yeah, continue supporting the scene, continue supporting other bands. 01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:13.920 And uh, I suppose this is where it ends for today.