Full Transcript for Single Payer Radio Blue Zones Dr. Don Henderson 07-15-2026

Kentucky, and 34 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:07.079 anything I say do I represent the University of Louisville 35 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:11.919 or Taylor Rational Hospel in Cameelsville, Kentucky. 36 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:18.000 So our topic today is something that I had almost 37 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:23.599 no knowledge about before this was was scheduled, and I've 38 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:26.439 been listening to a podcast or too, so I could 39 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:29.719 learn something about it. So we could have an intelligent conversation. 40 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:34.560 We have a special guest. The topic is blue zones. 41 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:38.039 I'm not going to try to define it anymore than 42 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:42.280 saying that these are locations in different parts of the world, 43 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:45.759 at least that's my understanding of it, where Pete, where 44 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:51.520 there's a somewhat larger component of the population that lives 45 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:56.039 to be one hundred years old or older. Our special 46 00:02:56.080 --> 00:03:01.599 guest is Don Henderson. Don has been on this program two, 47 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:05.840 three or four times. The last two programs he discussed 48 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:11.319 private equity in healthcare with US and artificial intelligence in healthcare. 49 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:13.639 He is on the. 50 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:19.639 Faculty of the Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine in Bradenton, Florida, 51 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:25.280 and is a Doctor of Health Administration. He also has 52 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:28.800 an MA in Healthcare Administration and the Bachelor of Arcs 53 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:32.840 and Economics and Government. So Don, thank you for coming on. 54 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:38.479 We're all looking forward to an interesting conversation, and as 55 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:40.919 we have done in the past, we're going to give 56 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:44.680 you an opportunity to make whatever comments you'd like to 57 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.280 make for as long as you'd like to make them, 58 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:51.159 and then Jane will begin the conversation. So Don, again, 59 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:55.280 thanks for coming on, and the floor is yours. 60 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:57.280 Well, thank you all for having me today, and I'm 61 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:01.120 very excited to talk about this topic, which is blue zones, 62 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:05.759 and I hope that the listeners will bring something out 63 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:07.439 of this that they might be able to use in 64 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:12.159 their own personal health journey. I thought I might start 65 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:15.879 out today, if it's okay, just talking about just health 66 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:20.079 in general, and then just a short definition of what 67 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.600 blue zones actually are so that

the readers can get 68 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:25.560 some context for what we're going to talk about. 69 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:29.079 Is that okay, Yes, that sounds excellent, Okay. 70 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:30.800 Well, I wanted to start out today to talk about 71 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:35.560 what is the definition of health? And we teach healthcare 72 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:40.680 administration here at the Leecom Medical University, and the World 73 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:45.759 Health Organization defines health as a state of complete mental, physical, 74 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:49.360 and social wellbeing and not merely the absence of a 75 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:54.079 disease or infirmity. And this definition goes all the way 76 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:57.480 back to nineteen forty eight and it talks about the 77 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:00.759 philosophy of a shift from a purely medical treatment model 78 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:03.600 to a more holistic view of well being in health. 79 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:06.720 And I would argue there's a spiritual component as well, 80 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:12.199 which we can certainly talk about more later on the 81 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:14.720 origins of blue health. Go back to the year twenty 82 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:18.160 twenty six years ago where there was a French professor 83 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:23.079 of demographics, doctor Michael Poulane, and he was studying demographics 84 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:26.399 and he noticed that an area of Sardinia, which is 85 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:29.160 an island off the coast of Italy, had a very 86 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.000 large number of people who lived to be over one 87 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:36.360 hundred years old with relatively good quality of life. Beginning 88 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.519 in two thousand and four. Four years later, his work 89 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:42.279 was adopted and expanded upon by a gentleman by the 90 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:45.680 name of Dan Buttener, who was a fellow of the 91 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:50.319 National Geographic Society. So the National Geographic Society sponsored him 92 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:54.439 on a research project to go and study other areas 93 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:58.399 of the world where this phenomenon is also occurring. So, 94 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:02.639 in addition to the island of sar Dan identified an 95 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:06.040 additional four areas, which for which he coined the term 96 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:09.040 blue zones. So may I go ahead and tell you 97 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.680 a little bit about these other blue zones besides. 98 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:15.600 Sardinia, Yes, yes, please, Okay. 99 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:19.439 So Sardinia is a relatively small island that has a 100 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:24.920 largely rural and agricultural population. One of the other identify 101 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:28.160 areas that Dan Buttner identified was a part of the 102 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:32.720 south of Japan known as Okinawa, and Okinaw is a 103 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.519 series of three islands off the coast of southern part 104 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:38.639 of Japan. The average lifespan in Japan in the United 105 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:42.600 States is eighty five years, which is seven which is 106 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:47.079 eight years greater than the US a average lifespan of 107 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:51.759 seventy eight years, so the eight years differences is significant. 108 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:56.120 In addition, another area was identified which is called the 109 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:59.839 Nkoya Peninsula and I've actually been there. That's an area 110 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:05.000 western Coasta Rica, largely surrounded by water and islands. There's 111 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.759 also another island called the Island of Acaria, Greece, which 112 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:12.560 was named after the Greek legend of Icarus who flew 113 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:14.680 too close to the Sun if you remember that story, 114 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:19.800 And that's an island, relatively isolated island in Greece. And 115 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.839 the final area was lom Molando, California, which is a 116 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:28.040 medium sized city located in the mountains about sixty miles 117 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:32.680 of east of Los Angeles. So, based on his study 118 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.519 beginning in two thousand and eight, going into twenty ten, 119 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:40.680 he began to publish this. There have been several National 120 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:45.319 Geographic Society television specials, so he has become known as 121 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:47.160 the Guru of the Blue zones. 122 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:58.959 Done from my limited experience listening to podcasts. They benefits 123 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:02.959 are I guess of living in a blue zone or 124 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:10.240 combination of diet, exercise, social interaction, intellectual stimulation, and genetics. 125 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:14.040 Can you kind of break these down for us and 126 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:19.480 our listeners or put them together in some sort of priority. 127 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.879 Zone or are they all equally important? 128 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:28.839 I just never quite understood exactly how social interaction would 129 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:32.240 be better or less important than diet. 130 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:34.600 Yeah. Well, first of all, I want to say that 131 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:37.000 I am not a physician, so I don't really plan 132 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.200 to speak about any kind of medical expertise, but I 133 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:45.240 can quote studies that have been done. Probably we might 134 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:49.519 want to start out with talking about what the public 135 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:53.159

health side of this is, because you know, there is 136 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:56.240 a science known as public health in the United States, 137 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:01.399 and so through the years, the people that do public 138 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:07.879 health have determined the prevalence of different factors that determine 139 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:12.720 eventual physical health, morbidity, mortality. So there are five areas 140 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:16.639 that public health talks about. So I'm going to give 141 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.799 you the rough percentages, and please don't quote me on 142 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:25.200 this specifically, but about thirty percent or almost a third 143 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:30.120 of your health and eventual longevity revolves around individual behaviors 144 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.399 such as your diet, your activity, your smoking or whether 145 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.519 you smoke or not, and the other daily lifestyle choices 146 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.679 that you make. The social determinants of health account for 147 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:45.240 about twenty five percent. And there was a very famous 148 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:47.759 public health study that was done in the city of Louisville, 149 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:50.679 right where you guys are at that talked about the 150 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.559 fact that people that had higher income and higher education 151 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:58.799 and higher employment status actually lived on average about eleven 152 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:01.720 years old from one side of the city of Louisville 153 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:04.720 to another. So we can find that study and quoted 154 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:06.559 if we want to, but that was done by the 155 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.840 public health director in the county there in Louisville at 156 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:14.440 the time, very famous public health study. Genetics and biology 157 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:18.360 account for about twenty five percent, which are inherited traits, 158 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:21.919 biological factors. Medical care. I'm sorry to tell you this 159 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:25.080 because I know you guys are physicians, but organized medical 160 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:29.559 care accounts for only about ten percent of eventual public 161 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:33.799 health status, although obviously you cannot live without good medical care. 162 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:37.039 And finally, the environment accounts for about ten percent. So 163 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:40.080 I hope those numbers add up to one hundred percent. 164 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:42.919 That environment would be the air, the water, quality of 165 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:46.240 your housing, quality of your physical surroundings, and that includes 166 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:50.240 even public safety. So I hope that was a quick 167 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:53.799 and kind of

a quick and succinct summary of what 168 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.159 public health believes at this time. 169 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:08.759 Yes, now you mentioned social and having good friends and 170 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:15.720 a social environment, and also spiritual environment and spiritual belief. 171 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.600 Can you elaborate a little bit more on. 172 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:20.000 That, right? 173 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:21.600 So I thought we might, you know, I thought we 174 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:24.000 should start with sort of the public health definition of 175 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:27.440 what brings community health together. And there are lots of 176 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:32.000 communities that have taken this knowledge and apply it. You know, 177 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:35.559 one of the communities I'm familiar with is Tallahassee, Florida, 178 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:38.480 which is the state capital down in the south, and 179 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.360 they didn't use blue zones, but they used a very 180 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:45.159 similar philosophy to improve the quality of the life there. 181 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.679 There are large sections of Tallahassee that have lower income 182 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:51.879 and disadvantage people, so they don't you don't necessarily need 183 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:54.679 to adopt blue zones. But let me let me talk 184 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.200 about the four main things of blue zones, if that's 185 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:01.240 okay to talk about how that's been a opted and 186 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.039 then tied to these air blue zone areas around the world. 187 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:09.879 So the first area is the freedom of movement and 188 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:14.159 the environment. So blue zone communities, when they studied them, 189 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:19.039 they found that they are very condensed environments where people 190 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:22.240 use foot transport or walking as the primary mode of 191 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:25.600 getting around versus automobiles. In fact, many of these areas 192 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:29.639 are poor areas when people don't even have automobiles, so 193 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:35.279 they use constant, low intensity physical activities such as walking, gardening, 194 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:37.480 and doing household chores and they have to do that 195 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:42.679 to survive. So then diet, you guys mentioned diet and nutrition. 196 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:49.519 Diets are very heavily plant based, relying on beans, rice, greens, 197 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:54.639 and nuts. Meat is not eating every day, it's consumed lightly, sparingly. 198 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:58.399 The third item is outset and mindset, which gets back 199 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.799 to what you were talking about Dutch, such as knowing 200 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:04.879 your reason for waking up

in the morning. It's associated 201 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:09.159 with added life expectancy. This includes for the elderly, assigned 202 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:13.159 task giving them something to do, nurturing their passions and hobbies, 203 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.320 veneration of the wisdom of the elderly, and frequent social activities. 204 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.120 That also includes downshifting after work for those people that 205 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:25.759 are working. The residents actively manage and reduce stress through 206 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:29.360 daily rituals such as napping, praying, or enjoying a happy 207 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.240 hour which is also known as wine at five, which 208 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:36.879 I find funny, but they have moderate alcohol consumption that's associated. 209 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:40.039 And then finally, something that you also alluded to is 210 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:45.200 community and social connections, and that includes belonging to spiritual 211 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:50.720 faith based community which which provides a consistent support and 212 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:55.879 sense of longing. And that also includes loved ones coming 213 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:59.879 first with multi generational households, keeping aging parents and grand 214 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:05.240 parents nearby, committing to a life partner and a testing time, 215 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:08.360 and love in their children. So all that is kind 216 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:10.840 of elaborate, but those are the components of the blue 217 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:12.240 zone philosophy. 218 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:17.360 How much of an issue is genetics in this? And 219 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:22.440 the reason I'm asking is my parents lived until their 220 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:28.080 late eighties. My father smoked. He had a watch that 221 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:30.600 had an alarm that went off at four o'clock in 222 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:33.519 the air afternoon, which was time to get the first drink. 223 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:38.240 And from a dietary standpoint, they almost never ate vegetables. 224 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:47.399 He called them rabbit food. So my question is how 225 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:51.120 did these people live so and they never exercised. 226 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:52.399 How did these. 227 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:55.559 People who were doing all the wrong things last that long? 228 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:00.679 Well, yeah, I grew up in rural Kentucky too, out 229 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:04.720 in Campbellsville, and you know, there are a lot of 230 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:07.120 things that play against that, I would argue. You know, 231 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.120 for example, most of the people that I knew when 232 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:12.240 I was growing up lived on farms and they and 233 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:17.639 they did a lot of physical activity, and they they

234 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:22.200 did have faith based communities, and they did have social structures, 235 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:25.720 which we've lost a lot of that now, Doctor Sharvey, 236 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:27.519 you wanted to also make a comment. 237 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:33.840 Oh yeah, just give you an example. My mom and 238 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:37.919 father had a group that they played cards with at 239 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:42.279 least once a week. And these were five or six 240 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:46.759 very close friends that they dealt with at least once 241 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:50.879 a week, sometimes more, and they were very loyal to 242 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:54.759 each other. They didn't always agree on everything, but they 243 00:15:54.799 --> 00:16:01.399 were still good friends. And that it's different now there 244 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:05.200 are a lot of people and who don't have that 245 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:10.840 type of social interconnection. The same way with small towns. 246 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.879 Not only small towns, but cities who have faith based 247 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:20.840 communities that they people interact with and a lot of 248 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:25.200 these people have something that they do to help others 249 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:28.639 practically every day when they get up in the morning, 250 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:33.919 they have something to do and they have meaning to 251 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:38.440 their life rather than just sitting around watching TV or 252 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:39.960 something like that. 253 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:42.559 Yeah, so I think I think there are a lot 254 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:46.960 of variables in play here. And you know, one thing 255 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:50.279 we can't deny is that these people in these in 256 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:53.320 these blue zone communities live ten ten years longer than 257 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:55.600 the rest of us. And I don't know about you, 258 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:57.080 but I'm kind of getting up there in years and 259 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:01.480 I'd like another ten years of healthy existence. But we 260 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:05.599 really can't say which of the factors have the have 261 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:09.680 the biggest impact. I don't think anybody can determine what 262 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:11.960 those variables are. But when you put them all together, 263 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:15.400 all of the four or five components that I just mentioned, 264 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:20.759 you lived ten years longer. So I think it's I 265 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:22.960 think it's a philosophy. I don't think I think it's 266 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:24.759 almost a I hate to say this, but I think 267 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:27.759 it's almost like a pseudoscience. It's not a it's not 268 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:30.799 a hard science. It's more of a philosophy when you agree, 269

00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:35.279 because that acknowledges that that health is more than the 270 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:39.799 absence of infirmity. It's a spiritual, it's a social it's 271 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:41.279 a mental health thing, don't you think. 272 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.079 Oh, Mike asked a question if just a few minutes 273 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.720 ago about genetics, and I looked that up and I 274 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:52.799 was surprised. Supposedly genetics the only place about a twenty 275 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:57.319 percent role in this. Now, I think some of the genetics, 276 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:03.000 the genes hasn't change, but we've interfered what those genes do. 277 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:06.839 For example, just think of all the people you know, 278 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:11.759 including myself, who've got a stint in the left hantario 279 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:18.119 descending artery, and forty years ago, if somebody had a 280 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:21.319 clot and a heart attack, they would be dead. Now 281 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:25.440 I know multiple people. I know two people within the 282 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:31.960 last month who've had an event with chest pain and 283 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:35.319 had a stent placed in that artery and they're now 284 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:40.680 essentially back to normal and only overnight stay in the hospital. 285 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:49.400 These type of things are certainly intervening with our health 286 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:54.720 what's happening to his health was and also increasing our longevity. 287 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.039 But the interesting thing is, even though the America is 288 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:09.799 spending over five trillion dollars a year and and the healthcare, 289 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:15.039 our life expectancy is still below a lot of other 290 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:20.279 developer countries like Europe and Japan and South Korea, Australia. 291 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:26.119 So we're doing some things incorrectly. I think some of 292 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:33.759 those things are smoking, not enough exercise, not eating the 293 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:38.480 right type of food. We eat a lot of processed foods, 294 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:46.519 and obesity is a huge problem in America. It's also 295 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:49.640 driving up the cost of health. On the leading causes 296 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:57.000 of the increased healthcare costs and in the last few years, 297 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:00.920 and particularly last year, is the these new drugs that 298 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:05.640 we can use for diabetes and also weight loss, and 299 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:08.359 they're great drugs, but they're extremely expensive. 300 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:12.400 Well, we also have a dysfunctional healthcare system where a 301 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:17.000 large proportion of the population either doesn't have any healthcare 302 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:22.559 coverage or has only got limited healthcare coverage because of 303 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:25.640 the cost of it. And it's going to get worse 304 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:30.319 after this so called big Beautiful Bill was passed by 305 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:36.920 the ideologic Neanderthals in the legislature, the national legislature. 306 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:41.920 Well, Kentucky just starting next month, the second of August, 307 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:47.359 they're cutting Medicaid back four point five percent, and then 308 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:53.319 Kentucky over the next ten years will probably lose over 309 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:59.759 twelve billion dollars worth of benefits just for Medicaid a loan, 310 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:04.519 So don you want to make a comment about that 311 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:08.279 and how it's going to affect hospitals, And then you've 312 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:11.599 had a lot of experiences in rural hospitals, and how 313 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:17.119 are you approaching that issue in your school for teaching 314 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:18.960 future administrators. 315 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:22.680 Yeah, that's a tough question. You know, I keep I 316 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:27.000 stay up in touch with our with our newsletters and 317 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.200 trade journals and healthcare and that sort of thing. And 318 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.480 you know, there are largely we think we talked about 319 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:38.160 this in a previous session podcast, but you know, there's 320 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:41.640 probably twenty or thirty percent of the hospitals in the 321 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:44.400 United States that are sort of on the ropes. The 322 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:48.039 latest the number that keeps getting thrown out is seven 323 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:51.119 hundred and fifty to eight hundred hospitals that are primarily 324 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:58.039 rural will probably close. And so again trying to switch 325 00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:00.799 this over to a blue zone discussion, you know, the 326 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:04.440 question is if the cutbacks are going to need to occur, 327 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:09.119 then what can communities do. And one of the things 328 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:12.000 I was going to mention is that the Blue Zone 329 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:16.680 Project was formed, but then it was acquired as a 330 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:22.039 not for profit subsidiary. Now the California Adventist Health System, 331 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:26.680 which is a religious based health system, starting in twenty ten. 332 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.960 So although the Blue Zone program does not operate for profit, 333 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:36.799 it does charge fees to municipalities and other sponsors to 334 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:40.799 promote and then certify communities as Blue zones. So more 335 00:22:40.839

--> 00:22:43.599 than eighty communities across the United States have signed up 336 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:47.359 and paid the fees to establish and maintain a Blue 337 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:51.640 Zone designation. So I can't solve the problem of royal 338 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:55.200 hospitals today, and I regret all of the cutbacks that 339 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:59.279 are occurring. But one thing that communities could do is potentially, 340 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.160 you know, they have to do this, and as I said, 341 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.559 I think it's more philosophy than a science, but they 342 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:09.960 have to decide they want to do something to improve 343 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:13.920 healthcare in their community. We know that the great majority 344 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:18.519 of health status is not determined by organized medicine. So 345 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.799 then the question is what can they do? And every 346 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:25.359 community's got to face that decision, whether it's a county 347 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:29.160 or whether it's a city, whether it's a region. And 348 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:32.240 I do have some data that I would like to 349 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:35.480 share later about the Collier County, which is one of 350 00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:38.880 the counties in Florida that has adopted the Blue zone 351 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:41.640 designation when you feel the times. 352 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:46.519 Right, Well, DoD let me ask you, because this is 353 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:50.920 something I didn't realize. Now, what can you explain what benefit? 354 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:54.759 Just for the sake of discussion, we live in Jefferson County. 355 00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:58.319 So if they went to the. 356 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:04.160 This blue Zone organization that's run by the Healthcare system 357 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:09.759 in California and paid them a fee to be designated, 358 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:12.279 do they have to prove something or do they just 359 00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:14.559 pay the fee and then they can get the title. 360 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:18.799 I think they pay the fee to the consultants, but 361 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:22.440 the consultants basically work over a period of months. I 362 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:24.640 don't think it's a for profit enterprise. I don't want 363 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:25.119 to try. 364 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:28.960 To No, I understand that. But still they're paying a 365 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:32.720 fee to get a title if you like, or a 366 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:35.519 designation you don't need. 367 00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:38.839 You don't need to again, going back to Tallahassee, because 368 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:41.799 I'm very familiar. I've been to Tallahassee numerous times for 369 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:44.799 legislative reasons. But you don't have to do it with 370 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:48.880 the blue zone designation. It's just that some communities choose 371 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:54.880 to adopt that philosophy and pay the fees, and they 372 00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:58.160 don't get the blue zone designation easily. It takes three 373 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:03.799 to five years. So it's not something that people have 374 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:07.079 to do. It's something that different communities around the country, 375 00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:10.400 and they're scattered out. There's places in the Midwest, places 376 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:14.279 in California, places in the East. They have bought, they 377 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:16.319 have drank the kool aid that that would be the 378 00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:20.839 right term, and they have decided that this philosophy is 379 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:23.680 something that they want to adopt as a community. 380 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:27.839 Well, what specifically, aside from drinking the kool aid, what 381 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:34.000 specifically do they have to do to justify that designation. 382 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:38.440 Well, I'll jump in if it's okay, if I jump 383 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.039 into Collier County, which is located. 384 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:44.920 In Sure, whatever way you need to answer that is fine, Okay. 385 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.759 So this program in Collier County, which is the city 386 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.240 of Naples and the surrounding area. This program, the Blue 387 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:54.960 Zones program, was started ten years ago by a physician, 388 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:59.559 doctor Alan Weissu. I know personally he's a pulmonologist, but 389 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.200 at the time he also was the CEO of the 390 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:06.400 Big Community Hospital in Naples Community Hospital, and he he 391 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:09.839 learned about the blue Zone philosophy, he studied it, and 392 00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:13.079 then he made a pitch to the county commissioners that 393 00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:17.839 they should adopt the Blue Zone program. And as we mentioned, 394 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:20.319 there are a number of components. I think there's nine 395 00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:29.079 or ten philosophies that the community adopts. So it basically 396 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:31.640 involves the community members sort of like taking a pledge 397 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:35.319 that they will engage. And there are things that there 398 00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:38.079 are specific things which we don't have time to go 399 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:40.839 in today, but the Blue Zone people's basically become like 400 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.759 health coaches and they will explain what's worked, you know, 401 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.160 because we've got eighty other communities that are doing this, 402 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:49.880 so there's a lot of data on what works, what 403 00:26:49.960 -->

00:26:52.920 doesn't work. But I'll give you the results and then 404 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:56.279 we can talk about how they got there. So since 405 00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.519 twenty fifteen to the present time, which is ten plus years, 406 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.039 Collier County has reported a fifty nine point one percent 407 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:06.559 drop in tobacco usage. It has one of the lowest 408 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:11.559 rates of tobacco usage in Florida in the country. The 409 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:16.799 Residence Report Improved Mental Health Status. The surveys have shown 410 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:20.720 a seventeen percent reduction in stress and a four percent 411 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:25.000 decrease in depression, with seventy nine percent of the population 412 00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:28.680 feeling that they are in a state of improved mental health. 413 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:34.119 The county received a reduction in chronic illness of twenty 414 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.240 three percent, in obesity and a twenty eight percent drop 415 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:42.119 in poor nutrition, and that was even before ozempic was invented. 416 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:47.680 Twenty percent of the residents began exercising regularly at least 417 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:50.759 thirty minutes a day, three times a week. One thing 418 00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:53.000 that I can attest to because I visited Naples is 419 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:57.160 that the entire downtown area was reconfigured to make it 420 00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:03.440 more pedestrian and bike friendly. So there are expanded sidewalks, 421 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:09.440 there's a lot of traffic circles that have been put 422 00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:14.640 in place of lights. They're safer pedestrian crossings. And there 423 00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:18.319 was also over seven hundred and eighty local restaurants, schools, 424 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:24.119 and workplaces became Blue Zone approved by altered their environments 425 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:28.000 to make healthy choices easier, such as modifying their menus, 426 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:35.319 encouraging walking, providing bike cracks. So some of that's fairly 427 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:39.440 easy to quantify. Something maybe a little bit harder, I 428 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:41.559 will say. One thing about Collier County is a very 429 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:45.920 wealthy county with high income people. Most people know that 430 00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:49.119 Napoles is one of the richest retirement areas, but like 431 00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:52.640 most areas. They also have lower income folks as well, 432 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.200 but it was something the community and the county commissioners 433 00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:59.440 got behind and decided to do. I hope that at 434 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:01.400 least answer part of your questions. 435 00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.839 Well, that's interesting because some of that stuff is going. 436 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:05.880 On here in Louisville. 437 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.680 I don't know that anybody's trying to get a blue 438 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:14.720 zone designation, but we've got more bicycle lanes the sidewalks, 439 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:19.000 and they're adjusting that, making some some of the main 440 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.880 streets two way instead of one way in order to 441 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:27.960 cut down on the speeding and accidents that go on there. 442 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:32.359 So that's very it's very it's a good answer, thank you. 443 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:33.759 Yeah. I think that. 444 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.119 My own belief is that you don't have to pay 445 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.920 any money to the blue zones people. Although you know, coaching, 446 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:44.799 why does anybody have a coach, whether you're playing sports, 447 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.960 whether you're practicing medicine, you know, you have a mentor 448 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.200 you have a coach. Is it worth the investment of 449 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.279 hiring a full time coach to coach you to improve 450 00:29:56.319 --> 00:30:00.680 your performance. Only the community as a whole can answer 451 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.799 that question. I don't think that blue zones is ripping 452 00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.119 people off. I think they're covering their costs because it 453 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.240 is a not for profit health system that sponsors this. 454 00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:15.480 But they're also certainly not free, so you know, you 455 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:16.720 have to make your own choice. 456 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:21.119 Well, one of the interesting things is that it's becoming 457 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:27.160 more and more more interesting is exercise. And I don't 458 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:33.160 mean exercising like an athlete, but Susan and I recently 459 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:43.680 have started going to exercise about the last nine months, 460 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:49.200 and we have our exercise coach and we do it 461 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:54.079 about three times a a week and it makes you 462 00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:58.559 feel better. And the Europeans have done some really interesting 463 00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:05.000 studies with depression. They found that they had one group 464 00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:10.000 who took the ordinary medication for nature depression, and then 465 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.319 they had another group. They got them involved in an 466 00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:17.640 exercise program, and the long term results were the same 467 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.599 the people who took the medication and the people who 468 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:28.839 did the exercise. The people of the exercise depression did 469 00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:30.880 as well as the ones who took the

medication. 470 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.319 Yeah, I think you've got to go back to the 471 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.240 to the science of public health and what they call 472 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.319 the built the built environment, that's what they call it 473 00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.799 in public health circus circus. So let's talk about the 474 00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:48.680 city of Minneapolis. Minneapolis is considered the number one city 475 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.480 in Minnesota for both the overall state of health as 476 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:55.759 well as the quality of medical care, so they don't 477 00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.880 really cut corners up there. And the whole city of 478 00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:03.839 Minneapolis has been designed to be bike and walking friendly. 479 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.400 And the way they get around it snows a lot 480 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.160 up there, but the way they get around it is 481 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:11.000 they have a lot of tunnels, so all the buildings 482 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:14.200 are connected with tunnels underground so that you don't need 483 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.279 to use public transport. You can walk or you can bike, 484 00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:21.640 and there actually are separate bike lanes and walking lanes 485 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:28.039 that are separate from traffic from automobile traffic. So that's 486 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:30.359 just part of the idea. But the whole idea is 487 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.119 that cities and communities need to be redesigned so that 488 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.799 people can live their life and go about the activities 489 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.599 of daily living without having to get in a car. 490 00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:45.000 And then once you do that, then naturally, over time, 491 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:48.880 people will walk more and they will socialize more because 492 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:52.200 they're not trapped in their own watching TV or being 493 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.119 on the internet. So, once again, I would not call 494 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.920 this science, I would call it a philosophy. 495 00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.640 Well done. I don't know if you know the answer 496 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.480 to this, but I want to ask the question anyways, 497 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:08.519 what kind of quality of life does an individual have 498 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:13.160 who is one hundred years old or older. I mean, 499 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:17.319 it's not like are going to be running marathons and 500 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.640 things like that, or swim elo. What's his name, Dick 501 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.920 van Dyke apparently swims in the pool every day, So 502 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:28.599 I mean, I guess there's I'm just kind of curious. 503 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:32.960 Is there any I've got any information about the quality 504 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.720

of life of you know, people who are over a 505 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.960 hundred or one hundred plus years old. 506 00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:40.200 Well, I think you have to go back to those 507 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.000 rural communities such as Okinawa. I recently went to Japan 508 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:48.079 to visit my daughter who lives there in a rural 509 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:52.079 community outside of Tokyo, and you will see elderly people 510 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:57.000 walking around. The communities are very compact. You can walk 511 00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:58.640 and get from point A to point B. You will 512 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:02.559 see elderly people out walking. They seem to be enjoying themselves. 513 00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.200 I've been to the Decoya pennsil Peninsula in western Costa Rica. 514 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.599 Very few people can afford cars there. They're out walking, 515 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:14.639 they're socializing. I've never been to Greece or Loma Linda, California, 516 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.440 so I can't really say I've never been to Sardinia. 517 00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:21.039 But it's the built environment, it's the socialization, it's the 518 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:24.679 spiritual side. And I would say that people living in 519 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:27.880 those communities, yes, they do get out, they do walk, 520 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.400 and I can't really argue, you know, talk about their 521 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:35.159 mental health or their quality of life. But it's not 522 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.519 unusual to see people that look to be in their 523 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.519 nineties out walking around in Japan. I just saw that 524 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:41.920 a few months ago when I was there. 525 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:47.079 Down there a lot of adventaged hospitals in Florida, Which 526 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:51.559 been your impression of them? And are they different than 527 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:53.639 other hospitals. 528 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:57.079 I think that they definitely incorporate the spiritual element into 529 00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:02.119 everything that they do. Act they had talked about I 530 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:04.519 had an Adventist hospital that was close to the hospital 531 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.760 that I was running a few years ago, and they 532 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.239 actually even talked at their hospital about the idea that 533 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:13.079 if you use the Avenue Hospital, you live to be 534 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.159 one hundred, you know, So they were thinking about that 535 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:21.639 even then. And many of the practices of the Adventists 536 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:25.599 Seventh day Adventist religion are fitting right into this blue 537 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:28.760 zone philosophy. For example, they don't they don't eat meat. 538 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:33.480 They believe very much in spiritual wellness, they believe in 539 00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:37.599 physical fitness. So I think this is a very good 540 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:42.079 match for the Avenue Health System, and the and the 541 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:44.360 and the and the health system is close closely tied 542 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:49.000 to their medical mission. They are building retirement communities all 543 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:53.519 over Florida, and they are really not only talking the talk, 544 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:57.360 but walking the walk about trying to make a significant 545 00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.519 improvement in the health status not only for their fishers, 546 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:02.639 but before the community as a whole. 547 00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:08.840 Let me just explain some people may not know about 548 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.840 Seven Day Advents. They're a Christian group. The only difference 549 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:16.800 between them and most other Christian groups is that they 550 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:24.840 celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday, the traditional Jewish Sabbath, and 551 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.159 they worship on Saturday instead of the first day of 552 00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:34.079 the week on Sunday. And they do have some very 553 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:40.719 strong ideas about not drinking and smoking and and there 554 00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:46.079 are a close group of people who who socialize a 555 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:51.480 lot together. And the ones I've known is have been 556 00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:59.960 extremely very good Christians and good people to know. Uh myke, 557 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:05.639 you remember the radiation therapist I'm trying to think of 558 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:07.920 his name, who was at Loyal was one of the 559 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.320 first the radiation therapists, and he came to Campbellsville and 560 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.039 did radiation therapy for a while before he moved back 561 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:16.920 to California. 562 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.400 Oh yeah, I remember who it is. I can't remember 563 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:21.039 his names. 564 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:27.480 Yeah, yeah, he was the Seven Day advant He provided 565 00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.440 great service for us for a long period of time 566 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:34.360 and really played a big role in getting our role 567 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:42.719 Cancer center in Campbellsville, which really changed cancer treatment for 568 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:49.199 us because we had lots. We essentially solved the disparity 569 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:53.360 of care between rural and urban areas because we were 570 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.920 able to provide most of the care for cancer patients 571 00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:03.000 locally and we equalized cantric care. And we're still doing 572 00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:04.719 that and doing a great job. 573

00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:05.519 Well. 574 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:11.239 Don One of the podcasts that I listened to, there 575 00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:15.960 had been a discussion about a concern that there were 576 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:22.000 commercial interests getting involved in the blue zone issue and 577 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:28.639 the designations. And this was not the Seventh Day Adventist, 578 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:32.880 not for profits, but this apparently where again I'm speaking 579 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:36.400 out of ignorance as much as anything else. So my 580 00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:41.000 question to you is are there issues going on with 581 00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:46.800 for profit interests getting involved in the whole designation and 582 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:49.320 the blue zone activities. 583 00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.280 Yeah, I have no knowledge of that. I mean, I 584 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.880 know the ave in the cell system. They're good people. 585 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.960 They really truly believe that the work that they do 586 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:04.159 improves the health of the community, and so I can't 587 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.280 say anything negative. I would be very surprised. 588 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.719 You know. The only the only way that could if. 589 00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.119 It's one hundred percent owned by the by the health 590 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:14.480 system in California. The only way that could occur is 591 00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:17.280 if some kind of a license was, you know, some 592 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:20.519 kind of commercial arrangement. But I'm I'm I'm not aware 593 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:22.239 of that, and I would be surprised if that was 594 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:22.679 the case. 595 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:27.639 You know, Low Melenda is their lead hospital and medical 596 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.639 school and they I really do advance medical care there 597 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.400 and they've been doing that for a long period of time. 598 00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:41.079 Low Molenda plays a significant role also in global healthcare. 599 00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:49.880 They have been involved in Packs, a group of of 600 00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:58.360 hospitals and physicians in Africa which have trained of Africans 601 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:03.239 to acts in Africa. In the last twenty years, they've 602 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:09.480 trained over one hundred general surgeons to stay and work 603 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:13.639 in Africa and they are involved in multiple different countries 604 00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:21.599 in training not only general surgeons but thrastic surgeons. Cardiothrastic surgeons, 605 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:27.639 pediatric surgeons and head next surgeons and or peak surgeons. 606 00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:32.239 They've made a great contribution to global surgery, and a 607 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:36.000 lot of this has been led

by Seven Day Adventists 608 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:44.360 and using the facilities and the help from Low Molinda. 609 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.000 Well a number of we talked about this at our 610 00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:51.360 last program on mission trips to the Third World countries. 611 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:57.800 A lot of religious organizations have established working areas in 612 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:02.639 different countries and Third World countries, and as it was 613 00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:06.400 pointed out, one of the main benefits of doing this 614 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:11.760 is training the local physicians and having them stay in 615 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:16.800 their country to practice medicine or surgery or whatever the 616 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.880 specialty that they were involved in. 617 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.360 Don One of the things that's about the Blue Zones 618 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:26.360 is that I read about that they emphasized was close 619 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:32.000 friendships of a lot of the people and who are 620 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.239 they recognized and the people who lived in these original 621 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:42.559 five Blue Zone areas had close friendship with people that 622 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:46.039 they talked to every day and that they had a 623 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:53.639 close relationship with. I think this for some extent, we've 624 00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:57.519 lost a lot of that in America, particularly among men. 625 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:03.880 There's a problem with men's socializing and having close friends 626 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:10.960 and this led to some isolation and loneliness and also 627 00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.599 mental illness. You want to comment a little bit about that. 628 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:18.519 Well, not from the clinical side, but certainly I would 629 00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:23.599 agree with the comment about that the social component is 630 00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:29.400 very important. And so you know, in the Blue Zone 631 00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:33.559 literature they talk about having a tribe, right, that there's 632 00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:37.360 a tribal In other words, you cannot human beings are 633 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:42.000 not really set up to not They're set up to 634 00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.800 thrive in a community and to not thrive if there 635 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.639 is no community, and they call it a tribe, whatever 636 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:51.519 term you want to use. Those are kind of natural 637 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:55.320 in smaller, smaller town environments because you know, I partly 638 00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:58.400 grew up in a small town in Kentucky, and everybody 639 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:01.440 knows everybody when I When I went down the street 640 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:03.079 as a child, they used to go out and visit 641 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.519 all the different establishments they I would be at my 642 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:09.679 grandmother's jewelry store, and then they'd send me out into 643 00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.280 the road to get rid of me until sundown, and 644 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:16.440 I would go around and visit other merchants and walk 645 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:22.280 through the streets, and everybody everybody not only knew me, 646 00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.199 but they knew what I was doing and where I 647 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:27.599 was going and if I got out of line, they 648 00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:31.559 would report it. You know, So that tribal thing is 649 00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:35.840 a real need for human beings, and the question is 650 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.679 how can we bring that back. I would say people 651 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.880 generally are tired of just being on the internet all 652 00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:47.000 the time, and they look for opportunities to socialize. I 653 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:51.880 think it's a natural human emotion and we you know, 654 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.239 maybe we've hit bottom. It needs to come back the 655 00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:58.199 other way, depending on needs to swing back. And there 656 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:01.559 are different ways to accomplish it. You can accomplished in 657 00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:05.400 a church, in a religious environment. You could accomplish it 658 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:10.519 in many different ways. But I would I would certainly 659 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:14.199 try to prescribe that if somebody in this listening feels 660 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.679 like they've been isolated, I feel that that's not good 661 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.400 for you, and you need to think about what you're 662 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.079 going to do to try and increase your socialization, especially 663 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:24.599 as you age out. 664 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:25.360 Now. 665 00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.440 We talked about this in an earlier program a couple 666 00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:33.320 of months ago with the doctor Iden, and the topic 667 00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:37.840 of the program was screen addiction, and it dealt with 668 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.079 just those things you were talking about don the addictions 669 00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:45.800 to the screen of your computer, your cell phone, and 670 00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:50.280 how this is an issue that has a developmental impact 671 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:57.199 on the brain, especially of children and adolescents. And one 672 00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.159 of the sort of outcomes of the discussion was that 673 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:05.639 that there needs to be a limitation to the screen 674 00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:11.719 access to older children, well all children and adolescents until 675 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.960 they get to be into their their late teens in 676 00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:20.039 early twenties, when the

brain where they impact or the 677 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:23.519 effect of all of these the screen addiction and the 678 00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:32.800 isolation does affect the brain and the ability to socialize. 679 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:35.480 Yeah, and I think I think it gets back. You know, 680 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.800 obviously there's a lot of water that's under under the 681 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.559 bridge that we can't go back and retrieve because this 682 00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:44.199 is this has all occurred in the last twenty years, 683 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:47.199 all of the screen addiction and stuff. But you know, 684 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:49.199 now the question is what do we what do we 685 00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:54.960 do going forward? And so ultimately people have to be 686 00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:59.960 adopted or adopt themselves into a tribe. And that's why communities, 687 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:06.719 smaller communities especially are you know, religious is important, but 688 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:12.239 any kind of a tribal type of activity and loyalty 689 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:16.239 to a tribe and identifying with the tribe will do 690 00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:19.840 maybe not as well as being part of a church. 691 00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:24.760 So I just think that the long term people that 692 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:29.159 want to promote the entire concept of holistic health have to, 693 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:33.360 you know, work in their environment, work in their communities. 694 00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:36.800 A big part of this is discussing this and making it, 695 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.000 making it public knowledge, like you guys are doing here today, 696 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:45.880 letting people know that the solution is not necessarily organized medicine. 697 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.480 The solution is a whole societal review that's going to 698 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.480 have to happen in communities like Naples and like Loma Linda. 699 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.519 They've got to start thinking about what the pathway forward 700 00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.599 is going to be. Because we can't just keep treating 701 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:07.159 the the medical outcomes. We've got to do some preventative work. 702 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:11.039 So this is part of the preventative opportunities. 703 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.599 That we have. Well, that's exactly what the screen addiction 704 00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:19.239 program what he was recommending. I've got two grandsons that 705 00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:23.079 are that are nine and five, and I've talked to 706 00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:27.280 my daughter about this, and they they restrict their their 707 00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:31.719 activities in front of televisions and cell phones and and 708 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.280 I think some of the issues that are going on 709 00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:38.360 in the Jefferson County school system where they're I'm not 710 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:40.760 exactly sure where they are with this, but there's some 711 00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:46.960 discussion about limiting access of children in schools, middle school, 712 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.360 primary school, middle school, and high school. 713 00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:52.559 While they're in school. 714 00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:56.800 And and you know, one of the other recommendations was 715 00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:02.119 this that doctor Iden had was that until they're in 716 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:06.280 their late teens in early twenties, they should have a phone, 717 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:09.480 but a phone that allows you to communicate with your 718 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:12.639 friends or your parents, but doesn't allow you to get 719 00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.719 on the internet or get onto TikTok or some of 720 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:20.239 these other some of these other things that are actually 721 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:24.519 designed to increase the risk of screen addiction. 722 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.159 Well, that would be a good, a good first step. 723 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.239 You know, I've been thinking about my own my own 724 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:33.719 self during this discussion, and I consider in my retirement, 725 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.320 I'm an older person, and I consider myself a social activist, 726 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:41.360 and consequently I'm involved in a lot of different activities. 727 00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:45.320 And what I find is that these these social activist 728 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:48.280 groups that I've belonged to. Of course, single pair of 729 00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:51.840 healthcare is one of them. Doing this volunteer radio station 730 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:55.800 is another. But I'm often placed in people in my 731 00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:59.280 age group. Those are the people who inhabited the inhabit 732 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.800 these organizations, and they tend to be older, but they're 733 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:06.639 they're very engaged in social activity. And I think in 734 00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.639 a way, I consider the people who do this that, 735 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:12.920 at least that I know, to be sort of tribal. 736 00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:16.079 This is our tribe, and not only do we function, 737 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:19.000 but we flourish in it. I know lots of old, 738 00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.679 older people that they interact with that are very engaged. 739 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.239 They're very alert, They're on the go all the time. 740 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:28.400 So I think I think there's something too that that 741 00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:30.800 tribalism that helps out in this. 742 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:33.079 Well. I wonder if you're still going to be around 743 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:34.760 here when you're one hundred years old. 744 00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:38.360

Well, you know I told you before, Well, I don't 745 00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:38.840 want to be. 746 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.039 I'm gonna I'm gonna try to hang around not long 747 00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.440 to see if you're gonna make it. 748 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.679 But isn't it true though we all know people out 749 00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:50.480 in the you know, out in our lives that are 750 00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.639 like that. We know the ninety year olds that are 751 00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.679 still driving a car, they're still very active. Some of 752 00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:57.000 them still even play golf. 753 00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:02.800 It's it's very interesting that when we got to Dollywood 754 00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:08.039 yesterday afternoon about five o'clock, almost all the Belman are 755 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:12.440 senior citizens and they enjoy what they're doing. I talked 756 00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:16.519 to one guy who restoring our car. And he was 757 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:20.400 retired a railroad man, and he said he retired for 758 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.920 about two months and he was just driving him nuts. 759 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:27.639 So he got this job at Dollywood and he's very, 760 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:34.440 very happy, and he meets a lot of people and 761 00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:38.119 he finds fulfillment in his job. And I think that's 762 00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:42.760 really important for people who are retired to get involved 763 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.360 in some type of activity, they have to be careful. 764 00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:49.519 I have a happy to get involved in too much. 765 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:53.400 But if you wake up in the morning you got 766 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.880 something to do. I seem to do be happier and 767 00:50:58.000 --> 00:50:59.960 I seem to be able to get things done by 768 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.400 better than if I'm just sitting around doing nothing. 769 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:06.280 Yeah, this is a really good conversation, and I hope 770 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:11.599 our listeners are enjoying this and appreciating what we're saying. 771 00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:14.679 You know, there's another another thing I just read in 772 00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:17.920 a recent study about people who live in the blue zones. 773 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:23.880 This one's specifically done in Sardinia. But they take pleasure 774 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.400 in doing what they're still able to do, and they're 775 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.000 not that concerned about the thinking no longer do so 776 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.159 that makes them feel better. But in our culture, if 777 00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.480 you think about it, we're always driven to do things 778 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:41.480 that are beyond our current age group. You know, you 779 00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:45.199 even see the TV ads of the older people ziplining 780 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.719 and climbing mountains. The fact is we're not able physically 781 00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.239 to do those things anymore, but we continue or led 782 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.519 to believe that we can, and we try and inadequate 783 00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.800 or not successful. I know older people that I hear 784 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:00.920 it all the time. All they talk about is what 785 00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:03.159 they used to be able to, but they don't focus 786 00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:05.239 on what they can do and try to get their 787 00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:08.000 enjoyment in fulfillment out of those things. 788 00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:12.199 Well, don one more one more question about the blue 789 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:17.639 zones that I'd learned listening to one of these podcasts, 790 00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:21.159 and there there seemed to be, at least in some areas, 791 00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:26.360 some concerns about the accuracy of identifying a blue zone 792 00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:32.400 with you know, different records of life, life records and 793 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:37.320 family records and you know, things like that. Is that 794 00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:41.760 much of an issue? Again, it was, as I said, 795 00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.920 I listened to a number of these podcasts so that 796 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:48.039 we could have some intelligent conversation, and this was one 797 00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:50.159 of the things that came up that I thought was 798 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:52.679 an interesting observation. 799 00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:57.000 Well, I think, you know, again, trying to look at 800 00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.000 the scientific side of this. I think that blue zone 801 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:05.000 can be transitory, right because everything, everything is in a 802 00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:08.639 state of constant motion. You know, you've got a dynamic 803 00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:12.159 system there that all of these variables are playing into 804 00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:16.119 whether your community could, if you paid the money, be 805 00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:18.960 designated as a blue zone or not. Now I'll tell you, 806 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.280 I spent a week and a half in Japan, and 807 00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:26.960 I'm concerned because you can see that obesity is going 808 00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:30.400 up in Japan. You can see that they're eating a 809 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:34.280 lot of bad food. They've unfortunately the American corporations have 810 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.199 got them hooked on fried chicken. They're eating fried chicken 811 00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:39.880 all the time, at least once or twice a week 812 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:43.320 there most most Japanese people eat something called kage, which 813 00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:47.400 is fried chicken, and it's become part of the staple diet. 814 00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:51.119 So this is the this is the thing.

Even in 815 00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:54.840 these communities that are the blue zones, whether you pay 816 00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:56.920 to get the blue zone designation or not, you can 817 00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:02.000 lose many of the factors that are are associated with 818 00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:07.000 better health. And so I don't know if I'm really 819 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:10.679 answering your question or not, but this is a content, 820 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:14.480 this is something that needs a constant state of maintenance 821 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:18.599 and a and a concerted effort by the whole community 822 00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:22.559 to try to improve. Over time, you can backslide, you 823 00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.079 can go the wrong way. And as I said, I'm 824 00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.199 concerned about Japan and some of these other areas, as 825 00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:31.079 they become more developed, more tourists move in, more American 826 00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:35.400 lifestyles come in, we could we could wind up, you know, 827 00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:39.480 maybe making the health situation worse. 828 00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:46.679 Donnaston is also true that the Japanese drink quite a 829 00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:47.920 bit of alcohol. 830 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:49.440 I I didn't see that. 831 00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:50.280 I didn't see that. 832 00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.159 I have no idea, you know, I'm only a tourists, 833 00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:56.280 so I don't I think, I think, but it's you know, 834 00:54:56.679 --> 00:55:01.079 alcohol consumption is obviously a factor in a and negative health, 835 00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:07.599 So excessive consumption. So whatever community you're in, you got 836 00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:12.079 to watch that. And I lived near the Villages, which 837 00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:16.159 is a very infamous or famous community that's in central Florida. 838 00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:19.679 And when I used to go out, and I was 839 00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.480 working in the hospital at the time, people would start 840 00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.199 drinking at eleven o'clock in the morning, you know, and 841 00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:29.119 they would be out socializing and drinking. The socialization part 842 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:33.039 was good, but the drinking was bad. Right, So every 843 00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:36.639 community has got to watch this and put as many 844 00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:41.559 of these factors in place as possible if they can. 845 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.559 Okay, guys, one more thing quickly, we're at we're at 846 00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.960 the four minute level. So Gene, maybe one more question 847 00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:51.840 and then Don we're going to give you an opportunity 848 00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:55.159 to make whatever final comments should Mike and then and 849 00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:56.960 then Paul's going to take us out. 850 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.920 Let me like just one comment. Interesting that consumption of 851 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:08.159 alcohol in America has gone way down. I know I 852 00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:11.199 have a friend who owns a vineyard in Norland, California, 853 00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:14.679 and hey, can you sell its grapes now? And there's 854 00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:20.440 been several brewery uh distilleries in Kentucky that have gone bankrupts. 855 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:24.679 So that's very interesting. Don you want to make a 856 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:25.559 final comment? 857 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:28.559 Yeah, I think we just want to recap what the 858 00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:30.880 blue zone philosophy is. Again, I'm not going to try 859 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:34.039 to call it a science, but let's talk about the philosophy. 860 00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:37.360 You know, if you if you believe in the blue zones, 861 00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:41.400 you've got to improve your physical activities and put away 862 00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:45.599 the put away the automobiles and use walking and a 863 00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:50.920 low intensity physical activity on a routine basis. Uh, You've 864 00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:54.760 got to change your diet and nutrition to be more 865 00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:59.679 plant based with whole grains, greens and vegetables, nuts, and 866 00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:02.920 cut down on your meat consumption. You have to have 867 00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:05.159 a purpose in life. You have to know your reason 868 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:10.360 for waking up, and that's associated with added life expectancies. 869 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:13.840 You've got to de stress and downshift if you're working 870 00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:19.639 to manage stress and reduce stress through daily rituals. And 871 00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:21.719 you've got to have a tribe, you've got to belong, 872 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:26.400 put your loved one first, and maybe even consider joining 873 00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:29.480 a faith based community. So just wanted to wind up 874 00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:31.960 with that and as much of that that you can 875 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:35.599 incorporate into your life. I think it's associated with certainly 876 00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:39.320 a happier life, happier life, better health status and who 877 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:41.000 knows me you may live to be one hundred. 878 00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:44.239 Well, don I want to thank you again for coming 879 00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:47.920 on and this is really an excellent program and I 880 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.800 hope our listeners enjoyed as much as I have. 881 00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.039 That's all for today, Thanks for tuning in and join 882 00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:56.000 us next time for Single Payer Radio.