Full Transcript for Martyrs - S17 E133

different peoples in societies and sometimes they torture people to get answers for research they want to do. 62 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Are you trying to bring it back to the movie? 63 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,000 All right. So first qu my very first question to you. 64 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Yes. 65 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 You couldn't have Ghost Dad, right? So you decided 66 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,000 I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this 67 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,000 because we couldn't you wanted it but we couldn't find it streaming anywhere. 68 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Um so you decided to go for Martr, 69 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,000 the natural second choice. 70 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Yeah. Um Why? 71 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Why did I choose Martyrs? Well, this was the film that I basically engineered the entire season around. 72 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Ah, this is the keystone episode. 73 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,000 It is. 74 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,000 This is the anchor point. And why did I choose it? Firstly, I came to Marts a little bit late. I was aware of its reputation and I delayed watching it for a long time because of its reputation. But I think I did myself a disservice because when I did watch it, I was like, "Oh, that's pretty good. gnarly as hell. But I was like, that's that was good. And then I watched it again at the start of this year 75 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,000 cuz I just for some reason had a hankering to watch something challenging and that seemed like it would fit the bill. Um, and I loved it. 76 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Ended up absolutely loving it. 77 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,000 So when did you finally take the plunge to watch it then? 78 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,000 I want to say about 10 years ago. 79 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Okay. So, it had been out for a little while. 80 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Eight or nine years? 81 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Yeah. 82 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,000 By the time you got around to it. 83 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Mhm. 84 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Well, this was a first time watch for me. 85 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,000 No s***. 86 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,000 No s***. No s***. Sherlock, 87 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,000 is this something you would have ever chosen to watch? 88 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,000 I probably would never have gotten around to this. No. 89 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,000 No. I suspected as much. 90 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,000 It wasn't really on my radar. I don't think I really heard of it until I probably about the time that you watched it actually. 91 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Okay. 92 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Like it's not something that was ever on my radar and then I heard about it and thought Hm. That's a movie I'm probably never going to watch. Um, so I guess I mean that's we say this often, but uh sometimes like if I

do a if I do a video game season, I'm going to put on Need for Speed because you're never going to want to sit down and watch that with me. 93 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,000 No. 94 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 You want to watch Masters? I did not want to watch Masters. Let's put it on a season. So he has to watch Marters. Yes. 95 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Did that factor in at all? 96 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,000 What? Just the desire to get you to watch it? 97 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Yeah. Because Do you have did you have an inkling and I'm not going to give away my thoughts on this movie. Okay. 98 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Just Yeah. 99 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Okay. 100 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Um, but did you have an idea of what I might think about this? I think you knew what my opinion was about maybe like torture p*** in general and that sort of thing, but and I'm not saying that that this is that. 101 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,000 We'll discuss this really. 102 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,000 I think it could comfortably fit into the torture p*** genre. 103 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Okay. Um, we we'll we'll get into that cuz I want to explore what torture p*** means. 104 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Okay. I think there's a lot more to it than just that. 105 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Yeah. 106 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,000 But yeah, definite elements of it. 107 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Okay. Did you have an idea of what I might once I'd watched it what I might think about this film? 108 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,000 No, 109 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,000 you just It could have gone either way. 110 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Well, no. I mean, so the fact that you hadn't watched it and I thought I felt like I wanted you to watch it was definitely kind of the crux of why I chose it. But that's that makes it sound really mean, like I'm just bullying you and making you watch films you would absolutely never choose to. watch on a normal day. But 111 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,000 you like to challenge me sometimes. 112 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,000 I do sometimes, but also when I've done that in the past, like a good example is Waking Fright. 113 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,000 That's a film with a certain reputation. And I feel like that's something you probably would never have chosen to watch off your own back, but that you ended up loving. 114 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Yeah. 115 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,000 And the the same was sort of true of Marty. Like it could go either way with you. You were a bit unpredictable with your tastes sometimes. 116 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Good. 117 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,000 But never let them know your next move. Um, but I think because of some of the big questions that this movie asks and some of the subject matter and the fact that it at least tries to be profound 118 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,000 that you might get something out of it. Yeah, 119 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,000 it wasn't just an exercise in let's torture Dan. 120 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,000 There was more to it. There was more to the decision than that. 121 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,000 All right. Thank you. I think 122 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,000 you're welcome. I think 123 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,000 so. It took you So, it took you a decade to watch it. You Sarah watches it. You liked it. I liked it. Yeah. But I was in no rush to revisit. I felt like it was maybe a one and done for me at that point in time. 124 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Okay. And then second viewing, 125 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,000 second viewing, I got so much more out of it because I knew I knew what to expect. So I wasn't sat there kind of anticipating the most horrific violence I'd ever seen on screen. And I think that's it's because of its reputation. And I'm not saying it doesn't deserve its reputation, but I think it sort of lives in this weird kind of bubble. of infamy when actually it's just it's a really good movie. 126 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Yeah, 127 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,000 I think a lot of people put off watching it because of that which is a shame. 128 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,000 I think and I was in that crowd as well and and it's funny it's like the just the title masters as well feels just very 129 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,000 kind. 130 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,000 Yeah. And and it conjures up a certain image in your mind you're thinking about me personally I'm thinking about like crucifixions and like the horriblest s*** to happen. 131 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,000 Um people's skin fall off like or falling. I don't know. Gravity doesn't do that. Um 132 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,000 and there is a lot of really horrendous stuff in this. Like I'm not going to this this clearly is not a film for everybody. It is quite rightly part of the new French extremity movement. Extremity being the key word there. It is an extreme film and it does earn that reputation. But I think to write it off as just that is unfair. 133 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,000 I agree on that. 134 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Okay, 135 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,000 I agree on that. 136 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,000 I think there is there's way more to this film 137 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,000 than like Hostel. Like Hostel seems like the obvious 138 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000 comparison and that's the one that I've seen most when it comes to my research. I know. Well, it's a common one because Loier was inspired partly by it. 139 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Oh, don't say that. Eli Roth's already got a big enough ego. He doesn't need to hear that. 140 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,000 I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing for Elie Roth. 141 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,000 Elie I think um Elie I think uh and I don't know this is like the general consensus and opinions online probably all from

Jamie's podcast to be fair um like it was not necessarily endorsing that or wanting to recreate that but giving the violence a point rather than it just being about the violence. So in that respect I like that we're trying to take something that I I don't really have any time for. I can't sit there and watch a a hostel. Not anymore. I did when I was a teenager, but I don't think I don't think I knew that I didn't really enjoy it. I just like, "Oh, cool." Horror. 142 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,000 I was never really into the torture for torture's sake, which is 143 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,000 it seems strange to say because I do like quite a lot of extreme horror films that are quite gratuitous in their violence and sex. 144 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,000 So, it seems odd for me to draw the line there. 145 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,000 I I need another reason. I can't watch a film just because It's violent. 146 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Yeah. 147 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,000 Which is why Yeah. That's why I don't get on with the terrifying movies. 148 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,000 I haven't seen them, but I've heard that, you know, it's mostly about the violence, so I'm sort of less interested. 149 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Yeah. 150 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 But, um, yeah, there needs to be some another element to it. Like, there needs to be a point to the violence. If if you're going to put the characters through this, if you're going to put us through this, then there has to be a point. Like, I don't understand why you would just want to feel that way. And I guess everyone feels differently when they watch these films. But for me, they make me feel a bit sick in the stomach, 151 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,000 and I don't want that to be for no reason. I guess some people just like, "Yeah, put the popcorn on." 152 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,000 Yeah. I 153 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,000 But not me. 154 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,000 I I think I went through a phase of that in my late teens, early to mid20ies, but I I got past that quite quickly and now I have very little time for it. They don't It doesn't always have to be a point. It doesn't have to always be a message, but it has to at least be really well made, really well written. If it's just going to be, you know, gratuitous violence. I I want it to be a piece of art. 155 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Yeah. 156 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Not just like artless trash, which ironically describes the terrify movies. Pun intended. 157 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Fair. A lot of lot of terrify fans out there. Sarah, you 158 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000 I don't care. 159 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000 I don't care. You 160 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,000 to be honest, when people tell me that they like the terrifier films, I view that as kind of a red flag. 161 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Do you I do because the first one's just awful. It's really poorly made. Like

shockingly poorly made even for a low budget. Even accounting for the low budget. 162 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Um and it's just just misogyn misogynistic violence one after the other. Like how many ways can we torture women? 163 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Yeah. 164 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,000 And hearing about some of the stuff the directors said 165 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,000 um the fact that he screwed over some of his crew members during the making of of those films. I have no time for them. 166 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Okay, that's fair. Whereas in this film, all of the women were treated really well 167 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,000 and the director is not a piece of s***. Yeah, we'll get to that. 168 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,000 But I guess this brings us back to our central point is that there is a reason 169 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,000 this is art. 170 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,000 This is art. And like 171 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,000 Terrifier just features art. 172 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Yeah. I mean, before we go any further, I'll just say like 173 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,000 treating your crew like a piece of s*** is never ever justified. Even if people go, "Oh, but they did this was good. No, f*** off. 174 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,000 No. And I'm including Yeah, I'm including the greats in that. Like Kubri is the probably the most well-known example, right? Um Yeah. Just treat your cast and crew with a modicum of respect. It's really not that hard. 175 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 Yeah, absolutely. Loier. So Loier directed and wrote written this. 176 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,000 He written this. 177 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,000 He written this. 178 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,000 He written it 179 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,000 from his brain 180 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,000 and he was very depressed at the time. Couldn't tell. 181 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Did know. 182 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Couldn't tell. 183 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Yeah. He was um He was basically suicidal in his own well near suicidal in his words. 184 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Um it shows. 185 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,000 Yes. It's a very um 186 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,000 nihilistic. 187 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Yeah. Just bleak and 188 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,000 it has not got a favorable view of the human race. 189 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Yeah. Yes. It definitely doesn't have a favorable view of the human race, but feels kind of real. And maybe that's part of the reason again why it's like uh depressing. I guess but then it does end as well. There are there I think it's clever enough that it gives you like a modicum of hope. Do you know what I mean by that? I don't know why I'm talking cryptically. Like I can mention the end. We're talking about the film now. Like when she reaches she look sees the lights like is that hallucination? Like you could read it either way or is that heaven? Don't know. 190 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,000 I don't have a smidgen of hope by the end of this movie. I read it very Definitely. Obviously. 191 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,000 Yeah. 192 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,000 So, I'm interested to to talk about that a little bit later. 193 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,000 All right. Sounds good. 194 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Okay. 195 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Um 2.8 million budget. 196 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Okay. 197 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Box office 1.1 million. 198 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,000 Well, 199 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,000 everyone's going to see this. Like, you know, 200 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000 so um 201 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,000 everyone's you you got to see this movie. You'll vomit on a cat. 202 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Don't vomit on a cat. Poor cat. 203 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,000 No, not a cat. I'll take that back. 204 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Oh. What? 205 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Um, 206 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,000 a small child. 207 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Bill Cosby. 208 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Oh, yeah. Vomit on Bill Cosby. 209 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,000 On Bill Cosby. 210 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,000 As long as that's not a fetish of his. 211 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,000 If you can, 212 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,000 if he's likely to enjoy it, then don't do it. 213 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Yeah, I agree. He might. 214 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Yeah, you just don't know. 215 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,000 He probably takes what he can get these days. 216 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Um, but talking about predators, um, the the American rights were bought by Dimension. 217 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,000 Of course it was Dimension. 218 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,000 So, the reason it didn't do very well is because Harvey Weinstein was so shocked at the content. I mean, you've made a film so shocking that it even disgusted the sexual predator. 219 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Wow. 220 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,000 That's um it's quite an achievement, I think. But yeah, he he blocked it from having a theatrical release, 221 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,000 the the the remake. 222 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 No. 223 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Oh, right. He blocked this from getting a theatrical release, 224 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,000 which is why it didn't do I mean, not that not that I think it would have done like 225 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Christopher Nolan numbers 226 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 in any other scenario. 227 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Billion dollar It's no Spider-Man. 228 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,000 You got to see it multiple times. There's a bit in it where Nick Fury turns up. 229 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,000 We're putting a team together. Yeah. 230 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Turns out that having your

skin taken off, he gives you superpowers. Yeah. 231 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,000 You can breathe fire from your fingers. 232 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Yeah. Every, you know, the weekend that it opens, like me and the bros are all getting flayed and going to watch Marters. It's 233 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,000 gone viral. 234 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Yeah. 235 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 We're all getting flayed. 236 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Like when they all dress like opinions. 237 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Yeah, it's like a like Mike Judge, you need to write this. There's a movie in here somewhere. Um, part of the prep for the production um Loier had um names. 238 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Oh, don't ask. Don't ask me. 239 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,000 And I'm not going to attempt pronunciations. 240 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,000 All right. So, I'm going to attempt this one. Mileen Janoy. 241 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Okay. I'm sure that's accurate. 242 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,000 I'm sorry. It's Not accurate. I know. Um Lojier had Jeanoi um watch Andre Jalowski's Possession. 243 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,000 That sounds like an excellent movie. We should cover that next. 244 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Which I thought you it might sound familiar to you. 245 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,000 Okay. 246 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Um and John Carpenters's Halloween. 247 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,000 I've never heard of it. 248 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Um just to get a feel for Isabellei and Jam Lee Curtis's lead performances in that. 249 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Okay. I mean Isabella Johnny's like the blueprint, isn't she, for hysterical females. I hate the word hysterical cuz it's such a gendered insult. But um I don't know what else to call her performance. 250 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Yeah. 251 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,000 But she's she's like the the mark, isn't she? 252 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,000 I guess so. And that's another one I hadn't seen before, but to be fair, I don't think I'd really heard of it until 253 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 you introduced me to it. 254 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,000 No, I think so. 255 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,000 It was um I believe it was banned in the UK for a while. 256 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Talked a little bit about Video Nasties. Last week 257 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,000 we did in Evil Dead 2. 258 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Um that's also a gnarly movie, but gnarly in a different way. 259 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Yeah. 260 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,000 It's amazing, isn't it? Like two ultraviolent movies could be so so different 261 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,000 if they just thrown in a few physical comedy gags in Mart. It could have been a very different movie. 262 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000 Yeah. Yeah. You just needed a severed hand. 263 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Just add Bruce Campbell to

the mix. 264 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,000 Put Bruce Campbell in this. 265 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Yeah. 266 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Put Bruce Campbell in Masters. Who's he playing? Masters 267 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,000 everyone. 268 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Okay. But now it's a comedy, isn't it? 269 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Yeah. 270 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Make him tiny as well. Make them all tiny. 271 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Okay. 272 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Mike Judge. 273 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 And then we'll revisit it for Size Doesn't Matter season two. 274 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Yeah. Yes, we will. The second chapter. Um, but I thought that was interesting though, like watching those movies particularly. particularly Halloween like Halloween's such a a cultural touch point cornerstone and main like everybody knows what Halloween is 275 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,000 and I found that interesting that you would be inspired by it or obviously a gamechanging horror film but still what I would consider a pretty 276 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,000 I suppose it was groundbreaking when it came out wasn't it 277 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Halloween yeah 278 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,000 but I I just sort of for me it's another slasher movie it's unfair for me to give it that because it was breaking new or reintroducing it to mainstream audience or whatever. 279 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Yeah. I mean, it wasn't the first slasher movie movie, but it really refined the tropes and kind of it it became what we know slasher movies to be. 280 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,000 Yeah. Yeah. Um, but you know, Jamie I love Jam Lee, so I can understand it from from that perspective. Just thought that was an odd an odd choice. 281 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,000 I wouldn't have made that connection. 282 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Yeah. Um, but but the cast were interesting, particularly two ladies in this um mention Mileen Janoy, sorry, plays Lucy and Mojanna Aloi Mojanna Illowi, I'm sorry. Um as Anna like those two just like incredible and it's mostly them for the movie and particularly for the first half. 283 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,000 I don't know either of them from any other projects. 284 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,000 No, me neither. Me neither. 285 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,000 And I going back to directors that sort of torture their cast and crew. I did read somewhere that they were kind of sequestered for a couple months before shooting and while they were shooting they were completely isolated from the rest of the cast and crew to sort of elevate their unease and like inform the performances and apparently it was really really stressful and at least one of the actresses kind of has beef with Pascal Loier like said she would never work with him ever again. 286 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Yeah, I think it was Illaoi that fell off. something. 287 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Oh, she broke Did she break her foot or 288 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,000 something? Lots of bones in her foot. 289 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,000 So, um the shoot was halted and um yeah, injured. So, doesn't sound like the best working environment. Although uh um no, not although it obviously uh the environment obviously produced this piece of art, I just don't think that putting humans through that is worth it personally. 290 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,000 No. No, the methods don't don't 291 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,000 I don't think so. 292 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Which is interesting because there's that that question is also present in this film, isn't it? 293 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,000 The ends justifying the means. 294 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Yeah, it does make me seriously side eye loier though because the only other thing I really know about him was something that happened on the set of um Incident in a Ghost Land, which a lot of people rate really highly, but I thought it was kind of s*** to be honest. 295 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,000 Okay. 296 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,000 I didn't really get on with it. And I'd heard that was really gnarly and I don't know after you've seen Martr's 297 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Yeah, 298 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,000 nothing compares really does it? 299 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Um, but one of the lead actresses, I want to say Taylor Hixon, but that's from memory so don't quote me. Um, she was there was a scene where she was supposed to kind of throw her herself through a plate glass window, like hit her head on a a a window in a door and it was supposed to be prop glass and I It wasn't. So, she's now forever permanently facially disfigured as a result of Loier's carelessness. 300 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Bloody hell. How do you even get that wrong? 301 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 I don't know. I mean, somebody breaking their foot. 302 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,000 That's mad. 303 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Okay. You know, there should be safety on set, but accidents do happen. That's not 304 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,000 outside the realms of, you know, reasonable thought. 305 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Yeah. 306 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,000 But somebody doing that, I mean, come on. That It's on you, dude. 307 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,000 That's wholly avoidable. Like that is 308 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,000 the mo like treat the glass like you would a weapon, like you would a gun, 309 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,000 right? 310 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Mhm. 311 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,000 Although, you know, 312 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,000 still having those incidents today. Yeah. 313 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Yeah. 314 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 But um yeah, she she it seriously affected her career in the years after. 315 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 Bloody hell, that's depressing. I um I haven't seen any

of his other movies. 316 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,000 You have seen Incident in a Ghost Land? together. Yeah. 317 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,000 I even looked at the letter box was like, "Nope, never seen that." 318 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Oh my god. Yeah. It's the first and only time I've ever seen it. And we watched it together cuz it had been on my to watch pile for like probably years at that point. 319 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 I wonder if I'm going to purge this film from my memory as well. 320 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Maybe this one I think is just lodged in my brain forever. 321 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 I can't imagine that I'm going to get some of these images out of my brain ever. But maybe maybe it will just squeeze it out and I just won't in 3 years you go more smarters. Oh, no. I never want to never seen it. Not going to do it now. 322 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,000 I think for me it's less that the images are lodged in there and more. I don't know. The way this movie makes me feel 323 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,000 has it's made a really lasting impression. 324 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Yeah, I agree. It gives you a feeling. 325 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,000 It gives you It definitely gives you a feeling. 326 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Um we we we touched on torture p*** earlier. 327 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Question for you. What constitutes torture p***? And is that a because to me that feels like a porative term, but I guess it's not. It's just is it 328 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,000 um to some. Yeah. 329 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,000 I I I guess it depends if you're into it or not really. 330 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Well, yeah, it is used as a dismissive term, 331 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 right? 332 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,000 And I think quite rightly cuz I think some some torture p*** movies I think are pretty indefensible. I wouldn't want to go to bat for them 333 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,000 to kind of champion their their strengths like this should exist because some movies maybe shouldn't exist. 334 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,000 I agree. I feel like what is what is torture p***? Like at its base level, you're trying to imitate some sort of snuff movie. Why are we striving for that? Why do you want to sneak? 335 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,000 I don't know. But make it as kind of gratuitously violent as as visceral Yeah. as you possibly can 336 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,000 and give a big tit. 337 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Always. 338 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Yeah. 339 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Um, so so torture p***, I've said it a few times, it's not for me. 340 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Mhm. 341 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Not I mean, like I said briefly, I believe I owned Hostel on DVD when it came out. Yeah. 342 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,000 And like watched it a couple of times, was like, "Yeah, I like this." 343 00:05:42,000 -->

00:05:43,000 I was never a fan even back then. But I'll look back now and just think, "No, you didn't." 344 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Do you know what I mean? 345 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Yeah. You know yourself more now. 346 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,000 Yeah, I think so. And I think, you know, when you when you're a teenager, for me anyway, when I was a teenager, like, "Yeah, this is a shocking movie. I'm going to watch this cuz it's shocking." 347 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000 We were all striving to be a little bit edgy back then, weren't we? 348 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Watching American Psycho and not understanding it at all, 349 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 but loving it for some reason, 350 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000 and then 20 years later trying to justify why you like it on a podcast. for the right reasons. Um, so would you say is this is is this film actually torture p***? Would you say then? 351 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Um, well, by that metric, no, because I think kind of as we've just established, the the term torture p*** is designed to be a little bit dismissive almost. 352 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Um, and so I I personally wouldn't apply that to this film. However, it does often get lumped in with touch p*** films, 353 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,000 I suppos. E it comes down to whether or not you've seen it. 354 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Maybe. But even people who've seen it, there's a lot of people who've seen it and don't really understand what the f*** went on. 355 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Okay, that's fair. 356 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 And that's not me being that's not me sort of like digging people out. 357 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000 s******* on the peasants. 358 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,000 No. Are you plebeian? Don't understand a film. No, I'm not doing that at all. 359 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Don't even know you're born. 360 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 I'm not doing that again. 361 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 I think for the first sort of half it's chaos. It is quite hard. to get a get a handle on on what's going on. 362 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Yeah. 363 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 And especially when the violence is so at the forefront of everything, it's the most obvious thing to talk about and it's the most obvious thing that kind of stays with you, I guess. 364 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Yeah. 365 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,000 That for a lot of people, I guess they don't think about it any any deeper than that, 366 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 which is fine. You don't have to. That's what we're here to do. 367 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I was a bit confused for the first I will say 10 to 15 minutes of this movie. 368 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,000 I think as we got to the yeah as we got to the 15 20 minute mark I was like okay I think I roughly see where this is going. I was wrong cuz I did not see where

it was going. But I was very confused and we had a moment where we had to pause it and you had to do a little catch up for me didn't you? You had to fill me in a little bit. I was like so who is that who is that that young woman then that was escaping cav captivity at the beginning you were like no that was that was the little girl that was Lucy like was he and I the only 369 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Was she looked 18 officer 370 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,000 I'm stopping 371 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,000 yeah I'm just I'm just laying the groundwork now for when the court case starts I'm going to turn to God next 372 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,000 yeah I mean 373 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,000 I did have to do the little that's her but she's grown up now her hair has grown a little bit 374 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000 yeah Yeah. 375 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,000 And this is them in their mid20ies. 376 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Yeah. Yeah. Who are those kids? That's the kid that you saw at the beginning. What kid? 377 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,000 She was running out. No, she wasn't. And then and then Yeah. They're in the home together and then it skips for what was it 15 years? It skips forward, 378 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,000 I think. So, yes. 379 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Yeah, 380 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,000 it was at least 10 years cuz it I always forget that this movie starts with that sort of faux documentary portion 381 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,000 cuz obviously um Lucy escaped keeps captivity. We We know nothing at this point. And then it cuts quite quickly to a documentary crew. Is it the ' 70s? I want to say it's in the 70s. 382 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,000 I think I think this is set in 1986. 383 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Yes. I think I think we open in 1971. 384 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Oh, of course. Yeah. Yeah. 385 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Yeah. So, that would that would uh make sense. Yeah. 386 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,000 I can do maths. I can add. Um Yeah. And I It's an odd choice. But it kind of works and it's very I would say this film's influences are kind of all over it. You've already mentioned Possession and Hostel and Halloween, but also that opening really reminds me of um I don't know, stuff like Texas Chainsaw Massacre 387 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,000 was actually a direct inspiration. 388 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,000 Was it? Oh, there you go then. 389 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Yeah. 390 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Um which is something I think they also do in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake. underrated. Best Platinum Junes movie ever. 391 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Have I seen that? 392 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 I don't know. Not with me. Um, but yeah, I do think it's quite a neat way to open it. 393 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Some would say derivative, but I think it works in the context and it it serves to sort of 394 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 fill in the blanks a little bit without being too sort of without talking down to the audience, I guess. 395 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Yeah. Yeah. I did have to use my brain a little bit and and your brain to help me fill in my brain. 396 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Yeah. 397 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,000 So, um you I like I like No, I don't know if I'm going to use that phrase in this in this uh review, but I I thought that the the scene where you've got the family sitting around the table. I don't know what's going on at that point. 398 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000 I'm thinking, who's this family? 399 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,000 And then Lucy bursts in and just starts gunning people down. 400 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Shocking. 401 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Yeah. 402 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,000 I wasn't expecting that. And she goes all the way with it. She kills everybody. 403 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,000 Yep. 404 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,000 And you're not sure if she's going to kill the kid or not. I probably thought maybe she's not. 405 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,000 I don't know, man. European movies, they don't give a f***. 406 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,000 But that's one of the reasons that I love foreign films. Like, give me subtitles because I will never be able to predict what the f*** is going to happen in the film. 407 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Yeah. 408 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,000 It's something we talked about on the show a number of times. It's why I favor your European movies, Euro horror especially, and like um South Asian movies a lot of the time because they're just way harder to predict. 409 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,000 They're able to take risks that the American studios don't necessarily. 410 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Yeah, that's true. And she But she thinks about it, though, doesn't she? She doesn't do it immediately. She's having second thoughts. Bless her. 411 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 She's not just like a coldblooded killer. This is kind of like a revenge mission. 412 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,000 This is This is her trying to put her trauma to bed. 413 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Yeah. Yeah, 414 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,000 I think she is a cold blooded kid. 415 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,000 Yeah, I'm not saying it's ideal. It's She's not doing a good thing. 416 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,000 No. 417 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Although some might say that the the two parents not being in the world is kind of a net positive maybe. 418 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 On on reflection, yes. But at that point, we don't know that. 419 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,000 That's true. 420 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,000 And when particularly when she's having second thoughts about killing um the boy played by Zavia Dolan, who's in It Chapter 2. 421 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Oh, okay. 422 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,000 And the beast. 423 00:07:02,000

--> 00:07:03,000 Zavier Dolan. Oh, yeah. Of course, he was in he was um in it chapter 2 right at the start. 424 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,000 Yes. 425 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Yeah. 426 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,000 Yes. Um 427 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,000 is he also a filmmaker? 428 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,000 I don't know. 429 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,000 I think he might be. 430 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,000 I'm not sure. 431 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,000 I know the name. Anyway, carry on. 432 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,000 But Lucy, so Lucy takes out um Antoine and then does she phone Anna and Anna's driving the red Mini and she's like, I'm going to have a baguette. 433 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Yeah. 434 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,000 And uh 435 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,000 she's French. Yeah. And then she just comes to Anna's um comes to Lucy's aid. I wouldn't say rescue because there is no rescue in this film. 436 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,000 No, I think she's they've been friends for at least sort of 15 16 years at this point. 437 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Friends. 438 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Friends slashlovers. Unsure. 439 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,000 I question. 440 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,000 There's a bit of a question mark over it for me. 441 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,000 How do you There is. Yeah. For me too because there's that moment in after the killing They're doing it's operation cleanup time. Yep. 442 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Quick phone Harvey Kel. 443 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Um and Anna goes in for a kiss on Lucy, but it's not appreciated. Lucy doesn't want it. So at that in that moment, my thinking was, "Oh, it's unrequited love." 444 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 But what do you think that possibly there is a relationship there? And it was just like, "Not now." 445 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Yeah, now is not the time. 446 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,000 You got me covered in clar. 447 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,000 I think they probably are in a relationship. Oh, that's That's the side that I've settled on because I was sort of in the same frame of mind as you the first and second time that I watched it. I was like, "Yeah, it does it does seem like maybe there's something unrequited go unrequited going on here." But then I know a lot of people in the online sort of movie critic space have claimed it as a bit of a queer horror because of their relationship. 448 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,000 And also, you get that phone call between Anna and her mom 449 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,000 where she sort of describes Lucy as um she calls her a pervert and a bad influence I think. 450 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Yeah. 451 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,000 Which especially for the time that the film is set would make sense 452 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,000 if she was being a little bit homophobic about that. Like she's leading her daughter astray. 453 00:07:32,000 -->

00:07:33,000 Yeah. 454 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Um so yeah, I think probably there is some sort of romantic relationship there. 455 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,000 There I feel like I I think you're probably I think you're probably right, but my feeling at the time when I saw it is it looks It looks oneided. 456 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Yeah, it did. 457 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 But there is which you quite rightly pointed out that moment with Anna on the phone to her mom and she's very derogatory about Lucy and it is a homophobic um viewpoint that she has. And I don't know, maybe maybe they were in a relationship and it's the fact that Lucy is so focused on her trauma. and trying to achieve um get some sort of resolution or answers or revenge or call it whatever you like that 458 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,000 that she's just not available at all emotionally to 459 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 accept any sort of love and and return any sort of love because how can you when 460 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 all you're thinking about is blowing someone's head off of a shotgun. How are you capable of 461 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,000 I don't 462 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,000 I think her not being in a relationship is the correct move. 463 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,000 I think you need to work your s*** out before 464 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Yes, she needs some intense therapy. But also, it's not that she's so single-mindedly set on this revenge mission. She's also being somewhat haunted, 465 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,000 which is all in her head. 466 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,000 It's a strange choice. Obviously, it's um it's an element that's introduced in order to sort of make you think that maybe there's something supernatural going on. 467 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 So, you think it's just a uh a red herring? 468 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,000 I think it's a bit of a misdirection. Yeah. Okay. I mean, it was it was confusing at the time. I'm watching it and I think I even said to you, I I is are we dealing with demons in this film? 469 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Yeah. 470 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Because um 471 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,000 or is it fight club? 472 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,000 Yeah, I did say is it fight club tonight? 473 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,000 And I think the answer to that is sometimes. 474 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Yeah. 475 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Yes. And yes. 476 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,000 Yeah. So, I mean, if I had a complaint about this film, it would be that maybe there's a few too many elements in that first half. 477 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Okay. 478 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,000 But it did keep me guessing. 479 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,000 And perhaps on a second viewing, not that I not ask. 480 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Not that I want to. 481 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Well, we own it now. 482 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,000

Yeah. Um but I don't know. Maybe maybe it will just play slightly differently if I know what or have an idea what I think this is cuz it just it's also quite ambiguous. It doesn't give you 483 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,000 any answ. 484 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,000 You don't think it's ambiguous by the fact that you don't understand what happens at the end? Oh, not necessarily. Right. So, the end could be read as ambiguous. Yeah, I I appreciate that. But we were talking about the woman that's sort of like haunting Lucy, 485 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,000 right? Okay. 486 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,000 That I don't think is ambiguous at all. 487 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,000 You think that that is just 488 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,000 it's in her head. Pure trauma. 489 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,000 It's her trauma. Yeah. Yeah. Um 490 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,000 for a few reasons. Obviously, we see her at one point from her perspective, the the woman creature. I mean, she's sort of introduced as this like anim animalistic creature, but really it's just another tortured woman. 491 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,000 She's she's credited as um creature, I think. 492 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Is she? 493 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Yeah. 494 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Because it's somebody who is also locked up at the same time that Lucy was as a child. And it's her guilt basically. I mean, this whole film is sort of riddled with Catholic guilt. 495 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Yeah. There's a lot of religion stuff going this 496 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,000 which is another big box tick for me. 497 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Yeah. 498 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Religious horror. Yes. 499 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,000 You mentioned that this could fit into a religion thing. 500 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Yeah, I think it absolutely could. Um but yeah, we so we see it from Lucy's perspective and the the woman is sort of opening her her veins up. She's running um a blade down her arms. 501 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,000 And at that point, I'm thinking, "Oh, no. This is it. 502 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,000 I thought this was the point." Yeah. 503 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Oh, right. Right. I see. 504 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,000 I thought about and I believe I mentioned it at the time. I thought about Arnold cutting his down his arm to rip off his 505 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,000 his uh his skin to reveal the the robot hand and thinking, "H, 506 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,000 is this in the Terminator universe? The answer is no. 507 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,000 No, it's not. It's not. 508 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,000 She's just crazy. Um, but yeah, but so basically her her deep-seated trauma that's been left to fester this whole time that's been untreated has sent her mad. 509 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Yeah. 510 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,000 It's really tragic. And we sort of see that she's just imagining this. It's her guilt that's manifesting this woman that she couldn't save. 511 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,000 Um, and she kills herself. Then we see, you know, the flipped perspective and it is just her doing those things to erself. 512 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Yeah. 513 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,000 And then she ultimately in the garden slices her own throat. 514 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,000 Yeah. It's it's an interesting choice. Like I like I said like I didn't really see where this was going. 515 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,000 And then 516 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,000 how could you? 517 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Yeah. 518 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,000 It's a pretty original story, 519 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,000 I suppose. So then also it was surprising when Lucy did off herself 520 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,000 because I was like I thought this was the lead. What's going to happen now? 521 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,000 And it's like what the halfway point? 522 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,000 Yeah. 523 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Yeah. 524 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,000 And I was like okay what's are we are we just are we coasting downhill now? Like what's the situation now? This is wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. And then the organization's hurt. 525 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Can we talk about Anna having zero self-preservation 526 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 there? You couldn't pay me enough money to go down like if I was in a house and there would it was covered in blood. My best friend had just killed a family of four then herself. The the entire place is a crime scene. I'd be a bit keener to get out of there. Yeah, 527 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,000 I'd be a bit more concerned that my DNA was everywhere. Oh, no. It's It's 1986. Maybe that's less of a concern, but still, 528 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,000 it will be soon. It's not. 529 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,000 And then she kind of opens the cupboard and sees that there's like um a whole other part of the the building. 530 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,000 Yeah. 531 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,000 And then she just keeps going down. She drops the stairs down that little chute and she goes down and it's just this 532 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,000 the most sterile looking clinical kind of series of of hallways and rooms and on the side of the walls there are just the most grotesque images of people who have been martyed. 533 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,000 Yeah. 534 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Who've been tortured and they've got this sort of unseeing slashallseeing look on their faces. 535 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Yeah. Sort of like a vacantly satisfied Yeah. look. Weird. It's weird. 536 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,000 Like they're not there anymore. Yeah. 537 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,000 Um, yeah, alarm bells would be ringing. 538 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Yeah. Red flags. 539 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,000 I I don't

like to victim blame, but a lot of this could have been avoided if she'd just gotten out of that house. 540 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Get out of there. U, I I know. Yeah, I agree. But, um, it didn't feel like it was out of character for her. Like I I I felt like she was portrayed in a way like a a really caring person, like a compassionate person. person, 541 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000 but also quite brave 542 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,000 and brave. 543 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,000 She went above and beyond for Lucy. She was burying a family that she just obliterated. 544 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,000 But when it turned out that one of them was still breathing, she did try to save her. So like, 545 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,000 yeah, and I guess that's why she went down there cuz maybe there's someone else down here that I need to save. And she does, 546 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,000 you know, she tries to anyway. She attempts to. And then there's that beautiful moment when 547 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,000 um she's bathing her and it was beautiful moment briefly. They hold hands and then she's yanking bolts out of her brain. 548 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,000 O yeah. 549 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Good lord. And I thought I was like, "Oh no, I thought this was over." Um 550 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,000 No, they just gave you a breather for like 30 seconds. 551 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Yeah. 552 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,000 And then and then you get all of this um the organization stuff and then I I suppose I wasn't really expecting it to be a cult movie as well. 553 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Okay. 554 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,000 Like you again like another theme, you could fit this into a cult theme. 555 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,000 No problemmo. 556 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000 That stuff definitely came out of left field when I watched it for the first time. Even though it's literally called Martyrs. I don't think I was thinking too closely about the title when I was watching it. 557 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,000 And I think that's because it's just sort of a bit of an assault on the senses. 558 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Like you you aren't given much time to stop and think about things or, you know, get your thoughts together before the next horrific thing is happening. 559 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000 But yeah, I'm I'm very glad it did go in that direction. 560 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,000 It made it all the more interesting. 561 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,000 It was interesting because I mean there's all that mystery around at the beginning where you're not sure why Lucy was taken and then the answers are given to you at the about the twothirds in I guess and I thought it was very interesting like there's this organization there's this cult religion I don't know what to call it really everything all of it 562 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,000 most people online refer to it as an organization

563 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000 yeah and what they're trying to achieve is is find out if there's an afterlife 564 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000 and what it is what is it and a film that I thought about. Have you seen the um the Jason Seagull movie? 565 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Where's this going? Are you going to say Another Earth? Is it Another Earth? No. 566 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000 No. No. 567 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,000 What am I thinking of? 568 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,000 Um you're Another Earth is the um the OA What's Marlin, I think, isn't it? 569 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Um no, Jason Seagull was in that movie um The Muppets. 570 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,000 No, the Discovery, I think it was called. Okay. 571 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 2017. No, I don't know that one. 572 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Robert Redford proves that there is an afterlife. 573 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,000 Does he? 574 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Yes. 575 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000 Has the news media been informed of this? 576 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Uh, they were informed of it in the movie, 577 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,000 right? 578 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000 And and that film is sort of about I'm not going to spoil it. Um, all of that's in the synopsis. 579 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Does somebody get flayed? 580 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,000 Well, that's where the similarities end, 581 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,000 right? Okay. 582 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000 You understand? Um, but it's it's similar in that they're trying to figure out if there's an afterlife 583 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,000 in the Robert Redford one. They prove that there is and It's about how what that means for us, how that affects us. Uh does it give meaning, remove meaning? Different for everybody? What are you going to do now? 584 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,000 Okay. 585 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,000 And it's 586 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000 sounds interesting. 587 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,000 It's interesting. I I didn't I didn't love it, but it was it had a very interesting central point theme um exploring that sort of thing. And I felt the same about this. And when we got to that point, uh I was it was a welcome like oh I suppose I was like oh we are doing something there's a reason to there there is actually a specific reason for all this violence not that 588 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,000 they should be doing that s*** like 589 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,000 to a certain degree 590 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 that doesn't make it okay 591 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,000 doesn't make it okay don't go around skinning people 592 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,000 no 593 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 um and I'll go on record and say 594 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 that's day one stuff skin somebody 595 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,000 that's the first thing you learn at school 596 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,000 yeah 597 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,000 that's how you do a potato print don't flare anybody. 598 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,000 Yeah. But 599 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,000 yeah, I just want to I want to go back ever so slightly because you were talking about the the the midway point where Lucy kills herself. 600 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000 She takes herself out of the game. What did you think was going to happen at that point? Cuz you said like you kind of were thinking, well, what what more can happen? 601 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000 But I think there's a couple of points at which this movie sort of lulls you into a false sense of security. And that's definitely one of them, 602 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,000 the beginning and another one of the comparisons that I was going to make earlier but forgot. It's actually the the music at the start of the score. It's very sort of gental. It's quite um I guess it's somewhat era appropriate given that this is effectively a period piece. Um not the first thing anybody would use to describe it, I'm sure. 603 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,000 No. 604 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Um but it reminds me of Cannibal Holocaust because Cannibal Holocaust has this absolutely beautiful sort of melodic score that feels like it should be more at home. in something like Picnic at Hanging Rock, like an ethereal kind of 605 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000 another normal movie. 606 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Another normal movie. Yeah. Nobody gets played 607 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000 that we know of. 608 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,000 No, nothing happens. 609 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,000 f*** off. 610 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,000 So good. 611 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Is Thin Bananas the honestly the thing that I remember most about 612 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Thin Bananas old rock. 613 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Um but yeah, it it sort of utilizes a similar technique here. 614 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Yeah, I suppose. So I didn't really think about the music. 615 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,000 It's quite out of place. case for the for the film that it ends up being. 616 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Yeah. Yeah. I I didn't know where this was going at the halfway point. Like the organization turns up. I'm sort of I guess pleasantly surprised that they're doing a an exploration of the afterlife type thing cuz I I find that fascinating and I just wasn't expecting that sort of existential angle in this 617 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,000 and that was really interesting to me. 618 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Well, that's the thing that I thought you would get out of this movie. 619 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Yeah. And that's the thing that I wondered you might think that I would like about this film 620 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,000 and you were correct. 621 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Good. 622 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,000 I I um I liked this. 623

00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,000 You liked the film. 624 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000 I like I I like 625 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000 I I think that this is a very very good movie. 626 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Oh, 627 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000 I think this is a great movie. 628 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000 Wow. 629 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,000 It's very challenging. 630 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Yes. 631 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 I don't think I want to watch it again, but I might. 632 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000 I said that. you might come round. 633 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,000 Yeah. And I think I think a lot of it I think all of it really is I mean firstly it's made incredibly well. Like the effects are great. The performances are amazing. It's it's so original. 634 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Even if he did elicit the performances through not entirely ethical means. 635 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Yeah. There's another way we could have achieved that, I'm sure. 636 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 But they were excellent. And also some stuff I've never seen before. Like you said, it's made really well. There were like the one shot that always jumps out at me is like the corpse mounted camera when she's dragging one of the bodies into the garden and the the camera is literally mounted on the body. 637 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,000 Yeah, 638 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,000 I don't remember ever having seen that before, but it was quite effective. 639 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Yeah, 640 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,000 definitely some creative stuff here. 641 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,000 Definitely some creative stuff. It's so it's it's very memorable as well. Like um 642 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,000 yeah, just with the existential stuff when that's introduced, is there an afterlife? I'm like this is very interesting actually. 643 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000 And Mad Madmoiselle rocks up and she's like, yeah, I'm going to torture you cuz any glasses 644 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,000 cuz I want cuz cuz evil people wear tiny glasses. 645 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Ain't that the truth? Preach. 646 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Yeah. Uh she's like I'm going to talk to you cuz I want to know if there's an afterlife. 647 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,000 Yeah. I'm not going to offer myself to be Martin. 648 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,000 No. 649 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000 But when we find out I promise pinky promise I will tell you all about it. 650 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,000 Spoiler alert. 651 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,000 And won't do myself. 652 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,000 She doesn't do that. 653 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000 With a gun. 654 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Yeah. 655 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,000 And I thought that was a that was another f*** you mean quick 656 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,000 quick death. 657 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Yeah. 658 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000 The thing that she has robbed everybody else of. 659 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Yeah. 660 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Yeah. So, at that point I there's at that point I'm starting to see when the organization turns up a few potential things about what this movie is about. I guess that's when the meaning starts for me. Yeah. 661 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Because I'm starting to understand, okay, maybe there's a point here. What is the point? 662 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,000 You bring in religion. You bring in um class to to a degree. Like these people are obviously very well off. 663 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000 They've got infrastructure and benefactors. Um, and they're all wearing a nice roll neck and making a grl smoothie. 664 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000 Oh, the hummus gr 665 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Marble Island. Yeah, 666 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,000 but yeah, they're choosing 667 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000 it. That's what it looked like. It looked disgusting. 668 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000 I like hummus. 669 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,000 I like hummus, but it they found a way to make it look unappetizing in this. 670 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Wasn't chunky enough. I like chunk. Put ice cubes in your hummus, folks. 671 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,000 Yes. Um, you've made me forget what where I was going with that now. You derailed me with hummus talk. 672 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000 Sorry. Sorry. We were talking about hummus and gr. 673 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Yeah. 674 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,000 Before that, 675 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,000 I I I was bringing up the class 676 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,000 Yes. 677 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000 element of it. 678 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,000 So, there is a definite class divide going on here, which is something I really enjoy seeing in film. It's It's something that's been explored a lot in in recent years, and I did sort of get a bit bored of seeing, oh, rich people doing 679 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000 It was trendy for a while again, wasn't it? 680 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Yeah. But it was always the wrong people making them. Like I want to see those movies. I want to see an Eat the Rich movie that's made by actual workingclass people and not the rich themselves. 681 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,000 It just felt weird, you know. Um but in this case, yeah, there there is an element of that, but they're clearly choosing people to martyr based on are they going to be missed? You know, elements like that. 682 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Yeah. 683 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Um have they suffered already in life? How easy will they may be to get to that point. 684 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000 I think like how how can we break this person? 685 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000 Yeah. And it it so happens that they believe that women are more likely to um become martyrs because of their tolerance for pain. I

believe was that the 686 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 I think that was the indication. Yeah. I don't know if they ever came I don't think they outright said it's because of their capacity for pain, but I think that was what they were hinting at. Yeah. 687 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,000 Okay. So, you have um I mean you have that the fact that they were probably yeah I mean they were in children's homes in the beginning you know there is an element of them planning uh I I guess trying to get people to do although them capturing Anna was a complete accident 688 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,000 well yeah she came to them 689 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,000 in essence but still she was there so 690 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 it's definitely it's definitely saying what is it saying about class band don't do class 691 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000 um Absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. Like the fact that they've got all this power and that's how they're choosing to wield it by making innocent people suffer. 692 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000 You you have access to all of these resources. How are you going to choose to spend them? 693 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,000 Yeah. 694 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000 And 695 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000 don't start a nonprofit. Just, you know, start torturing people in a the basement of a really affluent house 696 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,000 and normal. 697 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,000 It's all for the benefit of one person ultimately. And I suppose that is where the capitalism angle comes in. This these are all things like I was like, "Okay, what is this film about?" There was like several things that started ticking over in my head at that point. 698 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,000 So, what you're saying is that Madmoiselle is Elon Musk. 699 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000 Yeah. 700 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,000 He's definitely got people in a basement somewhere. Allegedly 701 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,000 for legal reasons. 702 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000 Definitely. Allegedly. 703 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,000 Yeah. 704 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,000 I'll put I might edit one of those words out. Which one? 705 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000 Um Well, look, your name goes out on this, too. So, if I get sued, you get sued. 706 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Yeah. All right. I consider it all. 707 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Okay. 708 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000 I Yeah. So, I uh the the class, you know, you reach a certain level. Maybe it's not, maybe I'm just more talking about um your financial standing here, but you reach a certain point, you don't need to work anymore. You live off the money that you have that's making you more money, and you just don't need to do anything really. Um so, how do you choose to spend that time? Well, I can do whatever I want, and I What is the left to know. I I've done everything. I've seen everything. I need to know if there's an afterlife. So, I'm going to make everybody else suffer and I'm going to pay for all of these things just for my own my own benefit. 709 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Well, yeah. If you can buy anything that you want in the world, 710 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 you're going to look for meaning in things that you can't purchase. 711 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Yeah. 712 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,000 There are very few things that aren't for sale, but the human experience and 713 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000 somebody's life is is not one of them anymore, thankfully. 714 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000 I suppose that's the other thing, isn't it? It's like the um how you you reach that point. How do you choose to spend it ultimately? Like like you were saying, ultimate power corrupts. Absolutely. 715 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000 But also boredom. 716 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Yeah. Boredom and just just Yeah. When you're you're trying to so desperately to find meaning like a lot of people don't have the luxury of having the time to think about what everything means. Like I think everyone should to a degree consider things and just think 717 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000 Yeah. 718 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000 critically about things. Me, me too. But particularly in this day and age, late stage capitalism, you know, cost of living rises, seems like every other month, 719 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000 a lot of it's just about getting through the day. So, yeah, that is kind of a a perk of the rich. 720 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Yeah. And was there was there were there hints that the organization was in with the police in this maybe it was just a feeling I had. 721 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,000 Oh, it wouldn't surprise me. I mean, I think that's true in real life. They've always got like corrupt officials in their back pockets, haven't they? These people. 722 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000 The the the police are human beings and human beings can be corrupted. Just so, you know, no matter your organization, there's going to be some corruption in it. Um but I just got the impression that particularly in this movie that the organization was was um there's that there's that line from the father who's trying to convince Antoine to not be a pastry chef and to in fact become a lawyer. And his exact phrase was it opens a lot of doors. 723 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,000 And How I read into that in retrospect was that he knows a lot of people. They're all in bed together. They're all giving each other brown paper bags full of money and slapping each other on the back and then doing a four iron at the golf club. 724 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Make some quissants. 725 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Just make a Just eat those f****** quissasants you got. Shut up and stop torturing people. 726 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Stay happy and make a pan of chocolate. 727 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Have a Yeah. I wish I had a pan of chocolate when we were watching

this. That would have cheered me up. I don't 728 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000 I was just going to say like of all the things I wish I was eating during this disgusting movie. 729 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000 That's fair. I don't know if I could have could have held anything down actually. 730 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,000 Um, so is it about capitalism? Is it about class? Is it about religion? Is it about the patriarchy? 731 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Personally, I think those are all really valid readings of this film. From what I've read, uh, Pascal Loier did intend it to be like a bleak commentary on grief and guilt um, and Catholicism. 732 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,000 I don't know about the other stuff. But I I really like the capitalism reading. 733 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,000 I think it's all there. I think you can read a lot into it. And that's another another thing that I think is interesting about this, 734 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,000 especially when you mention the patriarchy because there's so much internalized misogyny particularly in older women. So the fact that Madmois Madmoiselle is like at the zenith of this organization. 735 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,000 Yeah. 736 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000 But still represents the patriarchy. 737 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000 It is it was an interesting choice to cast that character as a woman. 738 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000 I think It did. I mean, I suppose the obvious choice would have been to cast guy. 739 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Yeah. I think it just changed the dynamics somewhat. 740 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,000 It does a bit. It and it and it and it I suppose it highlights more about the um internalized misogyny. Like I I don't know. Anyone could be 741 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,000 misogynistic. Doesn't matter who you are, obviously. 742 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Yeah. 743 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,000 But it feels like a more interesting choice to make her um she's the matriarchet. And 744 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,000 and also I don't I don't like films particular the ones that are intended to have some sort of feminist perspective. I really hate it when it's as black and white as men bad, women good, cuz that's not the world. That's never going to be reality. So, it's nice to have Yes, our protagonists, 745 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000 although they don't do very well in the film. They don't fare very well. They're decent people. Lucy obviously kills people, but that's sort of informed by the bad things that were done to her. 746 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000 And she was right. 747 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Yeah. were I mean the kids were the bad guys question mark but the the adults she she was correct on who they were. 748 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Yeah. So I prefer a film that's sort of shades of gray. So I like the fact that the 749 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,000 the head of the big bad was um was a woman as well. 750 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just I don't know to me it just screams you give someone all of this power and this these resources then it can it's only going to be a bad thing. 751 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000 Mhm. 752 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000 It's it can only go one way. And it felt like um latest stage capitalism in a way like it felt like she represented you might say Elon Musk when he eventually buys everything and maybe the pe all the people that came to this it felt like they were sort of celebrating a wake I suppose that they were expecting awake and they 753 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000 they were all in black weren't they? 754 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Yeah. 755 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000 Yeah. It it looked veryalerial. I never know how to pronounce that word. I did such a good job. 756 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Um I think what I'm trying to say is that Madmoiselle is Wayan Utani and everyone that was at the wake is like I don't know Nike. 757 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,000 Okay. 758 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Um name another Warner Brother. 759 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Just one just one of the Warner Brothers. 760 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Warner Brothers. The other one went to Paramount, didn't they? Bastard. 761 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,000 No, that's depressed me even more. 762 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,000 Jeff Bezos is definitely there. 763 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Jeff's Jeff's there. Yeah, he's just a floating head in a jar at that point. 764 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Um he got still got a hair transplant for some reason though. Um, yeah. So, it's interesting. This film is about a lot of things. I think I I at least saw a lot of things in it. I think it's a very challenging film. That kind of goes without saying. I don't think anyone's going to disagree with me there. 765 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Well, all right then, on that point, I have a question. What did you find to be like the hardest thing to to watch? 766 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,000 For me, the hardest thing to watch was the when the the big guy is beating up Anna. Same. Same. It's so Oh, it's I was going to say it's so weird. It's not really. It makes perfect sense, but the fact that I kind of took a lot of the bloodier violence in stride, 767 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,000 but that part, that extended sequence where she's being repeatedly beaten, oh my god, that's so hard to watch. 768 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,000 It was I thought it was unbearable. Like the the It went on for so long. It was so brutal, relentless, and And no like that he was teasing her like the pointing to the door and saying, you know, go on try and escape and then catching her and it was just it was beyond cruel. 769 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000 Yeah. 770 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000 And it was really difficult to watch. 771 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000 And I was surprised that the skinning for me wasn't

the most difficult thing to watch. Very surprised. 772 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,000 You don't really see much. 773 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000 You don't. Which was again an interesting choice. 774 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Do you What do you think about the back to that that beating scene then. Do you think that that's justified in this film or 775 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,000 do you think it's justified 776 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,000 even though it's uncomfortable? Is it does it justify its existence? 777 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,000 I think it probably does justify its existence even though I hate it 778 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,000 and I hate watching it and it's my least favorite part of the film. I think it does justify its own existence because we sort of need to see what she goes through in order to have been broken down. 779 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000 I I think Maybe it goes on for a smidge too long. We could have cut that down a little bit. But um but I do think some of it is is necessary 780 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,000 just to see what she's gone through. 781 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000 I think I tend to agree like that. I again I I say that I was surprised that that was the most uncomfortable that I felt in a film. But if you remove that, they didn't show the skinning. So I if you remove that, I think you there's probably it's probably not that shocking. The only thing that it's sort of 782 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,000 and it has to be shocking. I think this film I think that's the point 783 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,000 because it's going we're showing violence here. There has to be a reason. 784 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000 Yeah. 785 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000 And what are we going to what are we achieving by this? What's it for? And humans have the pacity to do this to other humans. This really happens. So like and you have to you as an audience member have to go through this. with the characters. 786 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000 It does bring up some interesting questions about gender though because I don't love that it was a man that wrote an extended sequence of a woman being beaten 787 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,000 and and by all accounts that man as well. 788 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000 Yeah. It feels almost fetishistic at this point. 789 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,000 It's tricky 790 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,000 thinking about the state that he was in when he wrote the film. The fact that he was so severely depressed. 791 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000 I don't know. Maybe he wrote it because he thought it would be easier to sympathize with with a woman going through that maybe. I don't know cuz to you, what changes if the two leads are boys, men? 792 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000 What changes? 793 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000 How does that change the film? 794 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Um, 795 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000 does it make them harder to sympathize with? Are

women easier to view as victims? 796 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000 I don't know. I don't think I don't think so. Not when it comes to we're going to take your skin off. I'm like, that hurts regardless. 797 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000 Well, yeah. I don't know. That's an interesting question that I I don't think I have got the time to unpack entirely. 798 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000 It does it does kind of make me question like is it because women are so often victimized in real life 799 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,000 that it's easier to accept it when it's women on screen. I'm not like these are these are rhetorical questions. I'm not saying I this is what I think, but it definitely made me conjure a lot of those questions. as I was watching it. Like, I'm not sure a remake of this with male protagonists works, but I also don't 100% know why. 800 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000 Put Vin Diesel in the Marine and uh resurrect Paul Walker. 801 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000 No, 802 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,000 no, don't do that. 803 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Leave him. 804 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000 Yeah, we don't need him. 805 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000 No, we don't need Vin Diesel. 806 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,000 No, we need Do we need his songs, though? 807 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000 We don't need his songs. 808 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000 I think some cuz we needed socks to cheer us up. 809 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,000 No, we've got Jeremy runner for that 810 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000 and Cory Feldman. 811 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Yeah. 812 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,000 So, was this um is the journey worthwhile? Is it worth putting yourself through this? 813 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000 Yes, I believe it is, which is why I bought it cuz when when we get to that final Well, it's not exactly the final scene because we cut to Anna straight after that, but the scene where Madmoiselle utters the line. Keep doubting. It's It gives me goosebumps. And then, you know, she just sticks the gun in her mouth and shoots. And it's such a shocking unexpected moment that Yeah, it gave me chills. Even on third watch, it gave me goosebumps. 814 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,000 I thought it was very interesting when I suppose after the the beatings and we're building to the skinning and I'm expecting this to be the worst thing I ever seen 815 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,000 and it really was. Like I'd already seen the worst thing I'd ever seen before that. 816 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000 Yeah. 817 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000 And I thought it was very interesting not to show that skinny. And then when she reaches that point of what do you um what's the word that that reaches that point of 818 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,000 I don't know like it's not bliss cuz 819 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,000 no 820 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,000 but it's I don't know. Is there even a word for 821 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000 she's in between two worlds almost. Um, and I wasn't I I wasn't expecting that we would see a flash of like the lights and stuff. And I suppose you could argue that might not be real. She might just be hallucinating from all of the pain. 822 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Mhm. 823 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,000 But I I think I take that as there there is an afterlife. And I think that I read into Madmoiselle killing herself is because she wants to she wants she wants in. She wants she wants up there, but but there isn't a there it's not very it is ambiguous and it it doesn't say that. That's just how I feel. And I guess I I'm probably just trying to take a more optimistic take because the opposite version, which I think is where you land. You hinted that earlier. 824 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Yeah. I don't view this as remotely optimistic. 825 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,000 So you think, oh, there is there's nothing. You've done this for no reason. 826 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Yeah. And I think that's why she says to her friend, keep doubting. 827 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,000 Well, it's either that. It's either that she's overcome by guilt and grief. that she's done this to so many people. 828 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,000 I don't think she has. No, I don't think she's cap she's capable of guilt. 829 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Fair enough. Fair enough. I do think guilt crops up a lot in this film though. 830 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Well, yeah, potentially with um the Catholicism angle as well. It's must be huge part of the DNA of this film. 831 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,000 But the alternative and the one that I sort of align myself the most with is that there's it's it almost doesn't matter if Yeah. It's optimistic or bleak. for her. She's got an answer. 832 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,000 So what's the point? The thing that she's dedicated her entire life to, she now knows. So she's got no purpose anymore. 833 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Yeah. She has no meaning anymore. 834 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Yeah. Which I think that's why I think that's what keep doubting means. Like 835 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Yeah. Because you have to you have to have some doubt to be able to find the meaning. 836 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,000 Yeah. Once you're sure what is there. 837 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,000 Yeah. And that's and I guess that's I I do I don't always some Sometimes I like ambiguous endings. I guess it depends on the on the film, but I wasn't sure if it would work here. But on in retrospect, I think it absolutely does and it ties into all of the the other themes in the film. Um, and I think it's I think what this film ult is saying, it's like, let let's just not torture each other, please. 838 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Don't skin people. 839 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Yeah. Stop it. 840 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,000 It's what it boils down to. 841 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,000 Yeah. 842 00:14:01,000

--> 00:14:02,000 It's the most notorious of the new French extremity movement, and I think it's the best. Although there's there's a lot of discourse around that. I'm not saying I'm right. Um the movement itself is considered to have ended sort of in the late 2000s, but I'm kind of stoked that we're seeing a rise in in those sorts of films again. I think like Coral Faria, Julia Deorn now, even Gasper Noey, your favorite. 843 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,000 They're sort of keeping that torture light. I I want films to be a little bit challenging. I want them to be interesting. I want to see stories I haven't seen before. 844 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,000 You don't want to see, for example, an American remake of Martr? 845 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,000 I would never want to watch that. No. f*** you, Jason Bloom. 846 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,000 Is it Blumbhouse? 847 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,000 It's Well, so I I read online that Pascal Oier's only regret in his career is selling the remake rights to Jason Bloom. Not having an actress shove her face through a plate glass. 848 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,000 Oh yeah, 849 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000 it's selling the remake rights. 850 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Biggest regret. I 851 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,000 What a piece of s***. It does make this film harder to defend, doesn't it? 852 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,000 It does. Yeah, 853 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,000 I I I will defend it. Yeah, I will defend it. I think it's an excellent movie. 854 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000 Yeah, I agree. Yeah, 855 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000 but I won't defend the director. 856 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,000 And we're not. 857 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,000 He seems like a turd. 858 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Agreed. A turd. 859 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Yeah, he seems like a turd. Quaint. This is not not fitting in this episode whatsoever. Some of the dark things we've been talking about. He's a turd. Big poo poo. So, that wasn't nearly as bad as you were expecting then. 860 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Well, the film, the the experience, 861 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,000 all of it, the experience, talking about it, just everything. I think it seemed like you were dreading it last week. 862 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,000 I was dreading it and I didn't have a good time. 863 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,000 No, 864 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,000 I think it'd be weird if you did. 865 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,000 True. Um, so I suppose I had the correct response to it. It's not, "Oh, I watched Masters and I got a boner." 866 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Did I'm sure. 867 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Um, I was dreading it. I had a bad time. I had a I had a bad time because it's so dark. It's so bleak. 868 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,000 All of your seeing is horrific violence against women and you're seeing 869 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,000 and children 870 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,000 and I have less of a problem, but pretty relentlessly through the film and I just uh there's a hand there's probably a handful of films that I've seen in my life that given me a just a pit in my stomach feeling. 871 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,000 Okay. 872 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,000 Like a 873 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Do you remember any any others? 874 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,000 You mentioned uh Gaspanoi, 875 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,000 right? 876 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,000 It's Climax. 877 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,000 Okay. Yeah, 878 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000 it's Climax. 879 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Another one that I love. 880 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,000 Yeah. Another another one that you made me watch. Yeah. 881 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,000 What's wrong with me? 882 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,000 Uh Colin Se. 883 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,000 Okay. Yeah. 884 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000 Another one you made me watch. You see a theme e in here 885 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,000 maybe. 886 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Yeah, there's there's pro there's a handful I think and there must be others, but I I don't seek these films out because I don't want to be challenged. I want I want to watch Scott Atkins kick Dolph Lungren in the head. All right. And you know this, 887 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,000 you want to see Alan Richson punching dudes. 888 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,000 Absolutely. However, I do appreciate them when they're done well and I do feel like I've gotten 889 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 quite a lot out of this film and it stuck with me and I thought about it and not just because we had to cover it like I've genuinely been thinking, "Oh yeah, that was interesting." 890 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000 It's a hard one to forget. 891 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Yeah. Yeah. 892 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000 For better or worse. 893 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,000 Yeah, I agree. So, um yeah, in in the words of Jamie and Sam at the Final Transmission podcast, the cheese is worth the sniff. 894 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Okay, 895 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,000 I stole that from them. I'll put a link in the description so I'm allowed to. 896 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,000 I agree with that statement. 897 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 Uh I think honestly I think it's um 898 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Can it be vegan cheese though? 899 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,000 It can be vegan cheese. Of course. 900 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Yeah. 901 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,000 Otherwise known as matter. But it's tasty. 902 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000 It's tasty. That that that blue blue vegan blue cheese from Waitros is pretty damn good. You know, it's a holiday treat though. Very expensive. Um but now we've spoken about vegan cheese. We've got that out of the way. And marts. Um before we wrap up, actually, did are you glad that you chose Is this? 903 00:15:02,000

--> 00:15:03,000 Yeah. 904 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,000 Or do you wish that you hadn't watched it again? 905 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,000 No, I'm stoked. 906 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Okay, good. You seem stoked, which is probably why I didn't ask. 907 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,000 Yeah, I think it's an excellent movie. Um, if anything, I would say I like it a little bit more each time I watch it. 908 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,000 I you Yeah, I picked that up earlier. You said the first time you liked it, the second time you really liked it, and this time I got the impression that you 909 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,000 It's really cemented as like a just a masterpiece of the genre. I think 910 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,000 you used that word. You said masterpiece pretty early on in the in the in the review. So, So yeah, I had pretty good idea of what you thought about this movie. Um, 911 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,000 I don't know. Masterpiece might be overselling it, but I think it's excellent. 912 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,000 I I think maybe you might be right. I think maybe it might be. 913 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,000 Can I get that in writing? 914 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Um, 915 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,000 no. 916 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,000 No, you can't. The problem I think it might be I think the problem is that I'm not sure if I definitely will watch this again. 917 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Okay. 918 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,000 But usually I usually reserve the term masterpiece for something I've seen more than once. I have to see it a few times. I think 919 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,000 that's Yeah. 920 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,000 And I'm not sure this is going to reach that, but uh 921 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,000 it will. 922 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Okay. 923 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,000 But what are we doing next week? 924 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Sarah, you tell me. It's your season. You've got to announce what we're doing. We're doing more Dead Things, I presume. 925 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,000 We are. Um, we're going at it from a slightly different direction this time. Um, but we're going back to the 80s. Oh, no, no, we're not. Isn't it 1990? 926 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,000 I think it's 1990. 927 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,000 I always class it as like an 80s movie. 928 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,000 It was probably shot in ' 89. 929 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Yeah. Um, we're doing Flat liners. 930 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,000 Oh, 931 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,000 the original. Not the original. 932 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,000 We're doing the original. Yeah. I I when you said 1990, I I thought it might be the original, but we could watch the remake as well. 933 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,000 I've done it once. Never again. 934 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,000 Why did you watch it? 935 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,000 I don't know. 936 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000 I saw I think I saw the ratings was like, "Yep, not interested in that." I give If you Is Oliver Platt in Flatliners? 937 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,000 I can't remember. Maybe 938 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,000 he might be. I think the my most overriding memory of Flatliners I think might be good cast though. 939 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Yeah. Keith Julia. 940 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Yeah, 941 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,000 there's a lot of them. 942 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000 Bacon. 943 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Yeah, 944 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000 we've got a few seconds as well. We've done a kefa. We've done a bacon. 945 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Yeah. 946 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Be our first plat, I think. 947 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,000 Yeah. 948 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Um Yeah. All right. So, a lot less dark. 949 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,000 A film about death somehow. Less dark. I suppose everything is less dark in really. 950 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Yeah, that's safe.