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you who are a chef and a landowner, you know, you're like at that intersection, you know, where you are integrating the food system and not only you, your whole family. Y'all are very active and y'all very, you know, pillars of South Central LA. well respected family, a lot of respect for you. You always someone who knows how to calm us all down. He's always the mediator. He's always the voice of reason. he's always the lighthearted one. We always get into spirited conversations and we and I mean could go at it for hour. And after the hour, good laugh. Like we're just never, we're never like mad at each other. And we could debate and argue for hours and hours and hours. so I respect that. You know, that you always been that person who's just centered, rooted, grounded, cool ideas. Always want to bring everybody together, always want to keep everything copacetic, keep everything positive. And you know, it's just needed in our community. I know me, I'm a hot head a lot of times, very emotional, very passionate person. You know, we got Adam X back here, he's in the background. And you know, he's we we are very all of us are always trying to figure out, you know, the next move and how can we, you know, help do better for our community. Yeah, like that's really what it's about. It's how do we position ourselves to to help the people out. And so I appreciate taking your time. Appreciate you bringing me out here on your land, showing me just the land and the vision, man. This is a very beautiful space, very serene. And so I'm gonna jump into some questions, man. Man, let me let me first shout out my brother Fahen. Uh-huh. And then my brother Cliff. Uh-huh. They came together and actually purchased this piece of land. Man. And they they they made me the ambassador for the land, asked me to come up with a vision for it because they kind of knew the direction that they wanted to go in, and they knew that I would take it in that direction. So. I'm not gonna take no credit. Credit to them. All praise is due to Allah. You know? I'm grateful to be here and be a part of it, you know? And I wanna be able to cultivate this into something that we all could use. Mm-hmm. And you know, the owners of it are in alignment with that. So mm-hmm. I respect that. Definitely, you know. Set the record. Yes, sir. and I mentioned you just said that, you know, basically cooking for your mom and your brother bringing you in. Was that the was that the moment where you felt like, okay. This can become real. Like w explain that moment where you thought, like, okay, I like cooking, but this can become an actual profession. Yeah, I kind of fell into cooking as a profession. I w I was I was going to Clark Atlanta University and I I made I didn't know that. Yeah, I went to Clark Atlanta University. for sure. I was out there for about a year. Uh-huh. half of that time I was in school and then I I kind of went out went out partying and and and having a good time for the rest of the year.

Uh-huh. And when the school picked back up, I just it it was like I know I'm not finna do nothing with that. And I I didn't wanna continue to tax my mom and tax my family, all of that. So I was like, I'm gonna just come home. Came home and ended up, you know, walling, really. I took that wallet to the next level and moms was like, What are you doing? Uh-huh. And, you know, I straightened up. I was like, I don't know. Let me figure something out. And because I had made the relationships at Clark, the whole time I'm there, the chef is asking me to join the chef program. Because me and him are having conversations about food and I'm giving him ideas, things to put on the menu. Things I'm giving him are hits. He's like, bro, nah, that's smash. Like, come come join the culinary program. You gotta you got a ear for this. And I was thinking I was gonna be a doctor at that time. So I had no no concept of like cooking. That's what I do on my fun time. Like, you know, it it turned into later down the line, like the last couple of years, I started realizing that I'm still going to be in medicine. I just have to heal my people through food. And that's that's kind of what Islam taught me anyway, through how to eat to live and what we believe the medicine cabinet is in the kitchen. So it was a full circle moment for me to realize that. But yeah, I I I took it seriously because my brother put me on when he put me on. That was the first time I ever like was like, I could do this, you know. And I I I started studying up on recipes. I had to come up with breakfast, lunch, and dinner. So I had to start organizing myself. I had to fix, you know. Food specifically to what they wanted. I had to clean the house every time. Like I was the only staff member in there. So I had to be a hundred and ten percent in. I was 18 hour shifts every day for like two months straight. I was I was not really sleeping. But you know, it it it taught me that like I have a passion for this. I could have kept going. I didn't I didn't stop. They ended up, you know, they only needed me for two months. So that's when I started really understanding my connection to food and how much I enjoy what I was doing. Then I was like, I gotta do it on I gotta do it on this level, but I gotta do it for myself instead of working for other people where they have control of how much I'm doing. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's always the that's always the journey of a chefs, man. Yeah. Get the knowledge, learn how to train, and then apprenticeship, figuring it out, and then go and do your own thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. And I think one of the best parts about being a chef for me is that there's so much, you know, bandwidth, so much room of for what we could do. Yeah. That's a part of why I became a chef as well. So I started researching in high school, like private chef, you know, caterer, restaurant chef, personal chef. A lot of opportunities. You know, cookbooks, celebrity chef. There's so many things that we could do. Cruise ship chefs. We could always travel. We could always learn more. You can always get better. You can always develop in it. And even recently I've been reading the book Mastery by Robert Green, because I'm like, I just wanna still kind of even reset. how I'm gonna be a chef, like and really figure out what I need to do to get to the next level as a chef, however that unfolds. Cause there's just so much we could do, bro. Like we we can we could be a hundred years old, bro, and still cook people gotta eat. You know what I'm saying? People always have to eat people gotta eat. I don't care how much I'm gonna learn AI, AI never gonna replace chefs. I don't care, bro. I don't care. I don't care bro. You know what I'm saying? It might replace line cooks one day, you know what I'm saying? But it's not gonna replace chefs, bro. No. You know, I mean I was having a conversation with somebody and it was like I'm a chef. I'm like, bro, you're not a chef, bro. It's okay. You know how to cook. You got good food. And that's okay. But you're not a chef. You know, like you said, you we can't you can't prepare menus, prepare staffing, develop people, teach people, create recipes, do this consistently, scale, do the numbers, do the volume, know your portion sizes. No, you're Cooking food is cooking food. Being a chef is a whole different type of thing. yeah. And I and I art form and I'll st yeah it's art form and we also have to be administrative, strategic, business minded. You know, it's a lot that comes being a chef and so I'll be like, nah, I I I you know, I stand up for us and like no, don't come over here and just try to play with this. This is real, man. And we also deal with people's safety at the same time we said medicine. Like we can kill people, bro. Yeah. Or we can heal them. Yeah. You know? So It's a lot of power. It is. You know? So Now that you're operating within the the food hub with any mining gardens on 770 Crenshaw, y'all pull up to 770 Crenshaw, taste of his food, right? now that you're there, what has experience taught you, you know, like the real version, what has it really taught you about what it takes to be a food entrepreneur and survive and grow in LA? I think the biggest the biggest takeaway I'm I'm gaining from this is patience and understanding. what unity means. Like I had a knowledge of what unity means. Shout out to the shirt. Yeah. My bro. Uh-huh. golden child. yeah, I had an under I had a a knowledge of unity. It was a concept. Mm-hmm. But putting it in a practical application is a whole different thing. You're dealing with personalities, you're dealing with, you know, not only what they feel, but how can we make what they feel a reality? And then how can all of us, all of our separate visions coalesce. It's a you know, it's a it's a dance. And you know, not everybody knows how to dance. Some people got two left feet. And it's like you gotta figure out how to dance with people that got two left feet if you want it

to be successful. And I'm I'm here for that. Like I'm I'm all about unity. Like I'll die on that if I gotta die on anything. I want my people to be successful, all of them. And you know, I I consider all people my people. So yeah. Like I said, diplomatic comediator, you know what I'm saying, real time. and I think here's something that people that find interesting, I I think they will find interesting, is that you you are part of, you know, collection of people who own land, like you say, here. And at what point, like, did you develop a vision for this land? what do you actually see when you picture this fully developed? That's a weird question, because like I've always had a vision for land. Uh-huh. I think I was probably like seven when I told my parents I wanted an island. And I wanted an island so that I could grow our own food. And and it was just like, you know, I grew up listening to Farrakhan talk about do for self. So I never really intended to get a job until it became a necessity. to me, land means like freedom, justice, and equality. It means the ability to like. Do whatever it is that's in your heart of hearts and and maximize on that to the best of your ability. Versus being in, you know, these cities and and these these boxes where in confinement, we can only do so much. Land is is endless opportunity. It's like anything you can conceive of, you can achieve out here on land. And so my my goal is a healing center and not just a like eventually to be a healing community. Like they call blue zones now, but it's like it's these places where people live past a hundred I think we can go past that, you know. I think I don't think there's a limitation to what we can do. And so I want to explore that. You know, the scientist in me wants to say, We believe in how to eat to live. How do we prove it? Mm-hmm. I think part of that is is having a community of people. So like you gotta have your elderly. We gotta have something for the elderly to do. We gotta have you know, places where the elderly can be safe. It means something for our age range, the mid mid mid level, which is like We got a lot of us incarcerated. We gotta have places for the the people that are coming out of the jail systems to be able to come into something where they can actually benefit and and have a good life. But then you got, you know, our sisters who are trying to give birth in these in these hospitals and they they killing the sisters, killing the babies. We gotta have safe places where our our women can actually give birth. and then our children. We need places where our children can go to school. We need places where, you know, they can be able to like They don't have to be in a classroom setting. They can be in nature and learning and and not be subject to like the system that doesn't really intend to teach them anyway. And all of that is centered around food. So like farms and and you know, festivals and you know, all kinds of different like events and stuff like

that that you can do on the way to getting to this perfect society. And then it it it was never like I got land and this is it. I wanna create a blueprint that we can duplicate. To anybody who wants to do the same thing. And we can all work together and you grow this over there, I grow this over here, and you know. And then, you know, maybe the birthing center is here and the the prison system, the the the the reform system is over there. Like, you know, somebody else got something. Or, you know, what however we gotta make that work. But that's that's the eventual goal. I want to create heaven on earth. I name my land Paradise Oasis because of that. Paradise Oasis. So how far does it extend? Like if you can't, can we see? So So r this first little ridge right over there. Uhhuh. At the other side of that ridge is kind of the end of my land. Uhhuh. And then we got like about three times of this. From from that to here, here to the other side of the mountain. And then one more time over. How much is it? Two hundred acres. Two hundred acres, yeah. Hundred and eighty nine to be specific. Yeah, we we we under a pyramid right here. Yeah. I see it, man. Definitely ecosystem, man, community Paradise, man. Yeah. Yeah. Cool, bro. So be honest with me, right? What is standing between you and that vision right now? I don't think anything is standing in between me and the vision. I think, you know. But what do you think needs to happen for you and what will you need from everybody for to what we're doing right now? Yeah, yeah. We're we're growing into the people that will be able to manage that. Uh-huh. And, you know, all the works that we're doing, not just here, but in the city of LA, all the connections that we're making up and down the coast. Not just up and down the coast, but here to the east coast. Like all of that is is gonna eventually turn into what it is that I see. And it's like it's baby steps. We're we're we're qualifying ourselves right now. Yeah, just putting the pieces in place. Mm-hmm. Cause it's a lot. I mean, I know you you you have a big family, big reach, and everybody's, you know, doing things and like a powerhouse family means a royal family. So a lot of movement, parts, a lot of energy. We we doing what we what we were taught. This the nation of Islam talks about food, clothing, and shelter. I went in the food, my mom went into clothing, my brother went into shelter. Mm-hmm. It's just the mission. Mm-hmm. This ain't even we not even being creative yet. We just do following instructions. It's a lot though bro. I mean it's two hundred acres man is it's a lot of land bro. Yeah. You know, and it's it's really peaceful and serene, right by the border. This is just the beginning though, bro. I understand. Trust me, I understand, you know. But I still do think that it's it is like like I've never been to Sa to Mexico. You know what I'm saying? I've never been this far down south. So I've never seen like this border. And just see how vast it is. It's pretty cool, bro. It's very serene. I see why you come out here here and there, man. Do you see yourself living out here eventually? Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm sorry to curse. Absolutely. I can't wait. I'll feel you. So this is something I do want you to sit with for a second, right? Like you do work with food, you work online. And you know, you know, we've had conversations about trying to get more involved in accessing the resources, you know, accessing the bureau of land management and you know, the agriculture industry and things of that nature. You know, and that's not that's not, you know, unusual. Like you're people who have land and trying to get involved aren't that tapped into this industry, you know. But it to me it should be it should be more streamlined, it should be more access. We gotta normalize it. Yeah. so what do you feel like is missing as far as resources, relationships or knowledge that you would help to open up the door? I mean, you said we already have it, but Still like just kind of cause cause expound on it for people like you said, people who are trying to do it, right? What is that what is it that you would need so that way people who are trying to do what you could do could start developing those things or or at least having that kind of checklist to a degree for themselves? I'm I'm I'm put it like this. Uh-huh. I I don't even know how to operate from a position of lack anymore. Uh-huh. I I think about life from a position of abundance. So the word need is like it brings up question marks like what do I need? I everything I need is provided. but what I will say is there's a lot of things I want. Uh-huh. And I I think that moving in the same direction that I'm going in is how I get to those things. I I want more knowledge and information about how to cultivate land. I want more knowledge about, you know, what are the first steps, what are the mistakes that people have made. I want more more access to to getting this word out so that Other people can know what I'm trying to do and the right people can come this direction. So, you know, I I want more money, but I also know that I have everything that I need at the place that I'm at right now. When I get to the place where I'm capable of managing more, I'll have that. Very very very clear. Yes, I get that, man. You know, 'cause trying to have a bunch of stuff and it's like for what? You know what I'm saying? If you're not capable of maintaining like I'm I'm learning as I go right now. Uhhuh. Every day is another lesson. Yeah. If I start taking on multiple lessons in the same day, I'm not gonna be able to learn everything as well. So I'm I'm grateful at the pace that it's going at. I'm I'm I'm content, bro. Yeah, I think I mean you have the vision, you have the the backing. And if it's supposed to happen, it will. And I believe it's necessary. So I believe it's supposed it's gonna happen. Yeah. It's I mean it's it's already it's already emotion, definitely.

People are doing it. Yeah. We just gotta unify them people. Yeah. I think that's a part of why we here. Yeah. Is like, you know, put the call out. Yeah. People who say, Hey, I want to support. You know, this could be the this could be the the next Alice birth. You know what I'm saying? It could be the the the biggest thing that I'm in gratitude for, I've lived my whole life not being understood, right? Like people have understood bits and pieces of me, but I don't think I've ever met two other brothers who understood me as well. Mm-hmm. So to be able to have conversations and bounce ideas off of people who understand what I'm trying to do and are moving in that same direction, that's that's I'm grateful for that. That's a beautiful thing. Yeah. You know? Most people don't get other people in their life that understand it. Most people in this world are frustrated today and go through mental illness because they alone. I'm not alone. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's a beautiful thing. Yeah, you're not. I mean, you know, I'm here, bro. I'm trying like I gave I gave we had the conversation. I'm like, all right, like what can I do? You know, this is what I this is literally why we create our serious bridge. And while I'm sleeping, you thinking. While you thinking, I'm sleeping. Like while while you know, we all working together. We all we all putting our and you coming out here to actually see the land, you're gonna go home and get inspired. I am you're gonna be like, bro. This is what we need to do. And I'm gonna be like, okay, let's do it. I'm already inspired. I see. Yeah, like I see a smile on your face. It gotta be. This is beautiful, bro. This is this is a beautiful view. And to me, this is a part, this is the purpose of secure the soil. Yeah. You know, we've helped to create the agricultural land task force and helped to see the recommendations and the recommendations are coming out. And we're like, okay, there's so much conversation around land, but there are people who own land who need resources, people who don't have land who don't know where to go. Exactly. There people who are experts who don't know where to help the people out. And there are people like us who are kinda in the middle of it all and figuring out how can we just, you know, make the biggest impact. And for me, it's just kind of helping to tie as many of it together as possibly can. Exactly. And letting it all fall where it falls. But also really just showing what's going on, showing what's available and showing why we need to secure the soil. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Like you said, it's on the beginning. I agree. Two hundred acres sounds like a lot. But I also know And the fact that What I'm trying to do has never been done. True. That's a lot. Yeah. You know? and and the scale I'm trying to take it to has never been done. You know, like if I take any one of those projects to the scale I see in my head, that's never been done. So it's like, yeah, I'm I'm I'm essentially like my mind is like, this world is ending. And the only way we can make a world that we s we are comfortable in is if we actually put in the work and put it in the steps. So my thought is, let's start that motion now. So as this world falls down, it don't take us with it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Access what we can, but also come together and build ourselves. Yeah, and I think it's happening. It's a natural process, but you know, it takes time. I mean, honestly, I I'm not here to say let's pray to the USDA. Please, please, Mr. USDA, CDFA. No, to me, that's not even praying. No. Just give us what you owe us. Yeah, no, that's not that's mine. It's like, nah, this is we pay taxes. Okay, we're put it in my hand. Yeah. What's up? Give it and that way, it's my hand. To the to the real things. And and and if you're not willing to give to give me what you owe me, because you know, thus far you haven't shown that to the degree that you do owe. Uh-huh. If you're not willing, we're gonna make it happen anyway. Because it has to happen. 100%. But it ain't like I'm I'm against tapping into resources. Yeah, let's do it. No, let's run up every bag we can find. To me, especially if we're gonna keep paying taxes. Yeah. Like, you know, that's I say like it this is not we're not asking for something astronomical. We're asking for what we literally are. Collectively investing into and what you already doing for other people that's doing something. It's it's happening every it's happening right now. Exactly. It's a real thing. Exactly. So we're not even asking, we're just standing on our own rights. Mm-hmm. Standing on our own principles, standing on what it is just to simply be number one, a human being. I mean, at at the very base of what we're talking about is farming. At the be yeah, yeah, yeah. So so farming. We want to grow food. We want to grow animals. We want to be able to control the source of what we're putting into our bodies because we we know what's going on in the world. Yeah. We're paying attention. Yeah. And we're not the only ones who are doing that. So you helping them help us. It's especially in California. This is what we're doing. Right now it's 10 o'clock in the morning. We got this nice sun, this nice breeze. This is California. Clear skies. Come on, man. Beautiful. The God blessed us today. Come on. I couldn't I could imagine cultivating this is not for animals, solar, vegetation. Bro, we got we got pure sunlight in a nice breeze. I understand. It's like we could be out here burning up without the breeze. Yeah. We could be out here cold without the sun. It's perfect right now. Come on, man. You know? California. Allah is God. The greatest, man. The greatest. You know what I'm saying? Always the greatest, man. So let's shift some gears a little bit, man. Okay. let's talk about faith. You know what I'm saying? Let's get into it, man. You are a very active, very proud member of the nation of Islam. Car carrying member of the car carrying out

here Islam. You know what I'm saying? You stand on it. You're I I don't view you as a hypocrite. You know what I'm saying? I view you as someone who really believes it. really stands on it and really, really implements it in your day-to-day life. All your decision making and your behavior and how you conduct yourself. I don't I've never been like, this nigga fake. You know what I'm saying? It's like, no, like you really with that, you really set on that. And just how you conduct yourself, how you speak, how you interact with people, even, even if it gets irritating or frustrating for me, it's still like I gotta respect that. You're like, nah, this is my real core value. You know I'm saying? And I'm like, man, all right, man, whatever, fine. Bro, I grew up trying to save gangbangers as they was banging them. Like, this ain't nothing. I understand. I'm I'm here to deal with my people. Yeah. True, which you do, which I which I I respect, like I said. So so with that, how have those teachings shaped the way you think about food, not just what you eat, but discipline, self-reliance, community responsibility, you know, the whole aspect of Food, how how do you feel like it affects and shapes you? In so many ways, I couldn't name them all. I would say that the most prevalent way is how do you eat to live. How do you live teaches you it's not about like people think it's a book that's gonna teach you how to have a diet so that you can like, you know, look slim or whatever. But no, how do you eat to live is really a book that teaches you how every one of us are different. Some of us wanna be warriors, some of us wanna be poets. Some of us wanna be, you know, ministers. Some of like we all got different paths in this world. And you can tailor how you want to live by how you eat. You know, somebody that has the mindset of of, you know, being a bodybuilder, for example, or somebody that wants to be a soldier, or somebody wants to be a a warrior. You gotta be more aggressive. So, you know, how do you to live teaches you about eating meat. if if your goal is to slim down, your goal is to get your mind right. Your goal is to to heal your body. How do you to live teaches you how to fast. If your goal is longevity, you know, how do you to live teaches you how to eat one meal a day, then go into one meal every two days, then one meal every 72 hours. That's how that's how the prophets did it. That's how anybody who wants to live long exp extended life, that's how you do that. And so how do you to live, I would say, is the foundation of my connection to food in the nation of Islam. And for those who know not famous with the book, I'm pretty sure everybody in nation is famous with the book. Let's handle, but for those who know who who's the author of the book. Elijah Muhammad. Elijah Muhammad wrote that book. It's a book one and book two. It's pretty comprehensive as well. Yeah, I've I've I've breezed through it and I've thought that I had an idea, but the more I'm listening to you to you talk about it, I need to go back and read But that's the thing about the Elijah Muhammad's books. Like all of them is like it's not, it's like watching, it's like like Star Wars times 10. Like you watch Star Wars and you think you, yeah, they got a fight. Nah, it's deep, bro. There's levels to it. Like the Jedi got a whole religion. It takes a lot to have a whole religion. I mean, don't get me started on Star Wars, bro. No, I can just look you know me. We go deep. I go Matrix, I go Star Wars, like I'm not surface. All right, all right, but To your point, the how they eat to live. There's a there's a two-part series to the book. And you you this these two parts have been a part of just shaping how you view food in general. I think anybody who reads that book is gonna is gonna shape how they re view food. Yeah, like I said, I know I've I've I've read through it and it has definitely been a part of I've taken things and implemented it in my life. Is is it's the method that Dr. Sebi started with. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. Exactly. And he and he's and he said it. And he said it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He the way he heals people from cancer, it ain't about what they putting in their mouth, it's about what they not putting in their mouth. That's how you heal your body, is through through fasting. I watched every Dr. Sevy video, you know what I'm saying? So I under yeah, I understand. That's what started him on that on that path. That's why I remember him saying that, you know what I'm saying? And for the and for the for the the alkaliners, you know what I'm saying, y'all can fact check us if y'all need to, you know what I'm saying? But I'll remember having the body imbalance is great. No, I'm just saying I do know how they they just that you know how they be bro. They be they going to hold They're my too, I gotta say. Of course they'll shout out to the alkaliners. You what I'm I love my people. I love my people. I'm I don't got nothing against the alkaliners. I work with them. I work with them too. As we see, I just interview I I I I respect what they got. I respect that they're I believe that every discipline, every philosophy is gonna help us win the war. That's all. And I was just saying it's many battles. I'm I'm with that a war we fight. I'm with you. I'm just standing on what you said, which is that's how we started. And I agree 'cause I just said he said that himself. That's all that's all. As you would say, Islam. Islam. You know what I'm saying? I just think, no, he did it. Not the honorable doctor Hey man. Playing, I'm playing, man. I'm playing. Respect respect to the elder. They that I love the elder, man. He's been a part of my life. so here's another question, right? I wanna land on. If everything came together, no, hold on. No, let me let me backtrack it. Number seven. We're still gonna lean a little bit more to this this this conversation around faith, right? I think it's important. so what

principles from the nation of Islam do you think could actually help fix some of what's broken in our food system, especially with our communities that are dealing with poor health and limited access to real organic natural foods? That's a really deep question too. go a lot of different directions with that. I think I think on the surface level. We can go there, man. Let's go. No, I'm I'm gonna start you off star. On the surface level is is discipline. Uh-huh. Discipline and and and learning tactics and learning how to be tactical. the nation of Islam teaches you how to think. Like it it broadens your your horizons. And you know it allows it allows you to expand your thought process in a way that nothing else has ever done. You know, the the nation of Islam is like a lens that I'm able to see other things through. a lot of people get caught up on the nation of Islam, all their races, but that's because they don't really understand what the messenger was saying when he was saying the white man is the devil. The whole concept of the white man is the devil isn't about a person, it's about an ideology, a thought process. We don't believe in race. Race is a social construct that was created less than 200 years ago. These people created that concept because they believe in white supremacy. We believe that everybody came from one source. We call that source the original man. The original man, the first person on the planet. We all believe he was melanated. We all believe that melanated people were the first ones here, right? So we call that man the black man, but people don't walk around with black skin. That's a concept. It's like either you relate to that original concept or you relate to this new concept of white. And this new concept of white is everything in opposition to black. And that's the reason why they created those races and gave us these titles. It's not it's those titles are only a representation of what's w of the reality. It's not the reality. Yes. Those people aren't white. Social contract. They're a pinkish hue. Like they're not white. 100%. There's no white man in black man is a social construct. So e i like if a white person told me they relate closer to the original man, they can they're they're considered in a black camp. If a if a black person is more devilish, And is is more relative to white supremacy and they out here believing in the lies, they're more in the white camp. It ain't about skin tone. I understand. But we get caught up in that because we're triggered and it's a lot of trauma, it's lot of issues going on because of that that myth. No, a hundred percent. That's a part of how racism a part of the execution of racism. Exactly. Is it to make us associate with these social constructs and then put ourselves in these boxes? It's dividing conquer. And then and then a hundred percent. I've you know, I have no problem looking that. I have no problem saying that understanding on it. I've said that many times off off the record on a record that these are social constructs that have been created to create resources and create the division of resources. And people who tend to adopt these social constructs will get more resources because they can validate that they're the majority of the population. They've internalized white supremacy. Yeah, exactly. In varying degrees, sure. Some of them are nice to us and some of them are ass. I remember I remember I had this conversation one time and just this this lady from European descent, she was just like Like, well what do I do? I was like, stop saying you're white. She was like and I was like, Yeah, just stop saying it. I mean it it like it was I was like, I like, I was like, I'm saying like what it di if you're gonna keep checking that box, you're saying you're okay with the division of resources. If if you wanna go by skin tone, then we gotta call Native Americans white people. We gotta call our Mexican brothers white people, 'cause they look the same skin tone. Listen, I'm a Moor. Yeah. Egyptians and Moroccans, aka Middle Eastern. North Africans check the box white. Yeah. So a lot of Moors It's a social code. A lot of Moors will check the box white and say, What I we deserve the majority of resources too. When the original makeup so I understand it's a social it's a real thing. No, it is. You can't have people who are from North Africa, Middle East, and Europe say we're all the same thing and they all look astronomically different. But it's a belief system. It's a b I agree. It's a social construction. When the original man created himself and then duplicated himself, we came in all colors. I agree. From albino to pitch black. Yeah. There have been a lot of things that have transpired since then. huh. And to the degree that you relate to that original man who who created us all, that's black. I'm not saying white people should walk around calling themselves black unless they fully understand what I'm talking about. I understand. I think dive deep into that. I understand the concept of. As long as we are continuing to uphold these paradigms, yeah, and then divide the resources with these paradigms, yeah, we're going to have the same system that we have. Exactly. And until we which what the nation of Islam preaches, which is from what I'm gathering from you, which is to just to to deconstruct these paradigms in a mind. So that way we can redistribute resources in the ethical and equitable way. Freedom, justice, and equality. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'll I'm with you. I'm just helping I'll just I'm with you. I agree. Islam to the more. You know what I'm saying? Like we we have to stop these paradigms because we've created a system that distributes the resources based upon these paradigms. And we're operating based on lies. Yes. And then we and then we are gonna continue to adopt these paradigms we're like I mean, we're adopting them. They're not real parad they're not our natural basic n human paradigms. No. We've had

to get taught. They they're actually in opposition to nature. Yeah, we have to be institutionalized and to believe in these paradigms. And then we operate and create systems and jobs and money and businesses. To perpetuate to perpetuate these paradigms. And until we as a collective people can at least acknowledge that these paradigms are paradigms and then be honest and then create systems and r and structures and resources based upon the truths. If you multiply these paradigms you're talking about into the future, the entire human race it goes extinct. Yeah. That concept, that that culture, it's like a death culture. And it doesn't lead to prosperity. It leads to somebody at the top being somewhat prosperous and everybody at the bottom being subjected to them. yeah, a hundred percent. And you know we have now. Yeah. The wealthiest one percent. And they've been they've been holding it down for fuck what thousands of years? If you wanna continue in that direction, so be it. I'm just not in that direction. Hey, Islam, I'm with you, bro. Trust me. I I think we gotta we gotta this is a real thing. We gotta talk about racism. Yeah. So the lie. So we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna shift the energy, you know what I'm saying? here's a question I really wanna land on. if everything came together right, your culinary businesses, your land here in San Diego, your faith in your community, and your connections that you're developing into the agriculture industry. What do you actually plan to build? I mean you already said it, but let's kind of let's let's read let's refresh it. I I I wanna I want us to really like paint that picture again. Heaven. Heaven. not my heaven. Uhhuh. I want to create a place where everybody like, that's heaven. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? That's the legacy you want to leave that creating heaven. If it it's not even legacy, it's just this is to me, of everything that I've studied in the Nation of Islam, this is the eventuality. It's like we ha we have the the nine ministries and it they talk about all the different things that we're supposed to do in order to like create society and like to me when you follow that far enough down into the future, we're creating heaven. Mm-hmm. And it ain't a black heaven, although black people might need a little bit of time to heal separate from everybody else because of all the shit that's going on. Until we deconstruct this white supremacy narrative fully, black people do need some reprieve. Mm. We've been going through some shit. So so it ain't necessarily a black thing. I understand. It might have to be for a little bit. I understand. And and and once we get to a place where we we find, you know, some some agreement and some civility, I'm not racist. I don't I don't have no qualm about skin tone. I could live amongst them now, but I know my people need something different. I understand. So, you know. I mean, we've been astronomically impacted by this whole entire system in totality. Yeah. Including our food system. Yeah. and there's no way around dealing with that reality. No. We are the least landowners in the country. We are the most incarcerated in the in the on the planet. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? We have the highest abortion on the planet. We need healing. We got yeah, we need healing. It's not just physical, it's spiritual and mental too. Mm-hmm. And you know, I what I plan to do is Build this thing and then duplicate it. So the duplication process means there'll be places for everybody. Mm-hmm. And some of those places will have everybody. Mm-hmm. You know. The first thing that I want to do though, I want to focus on the people who are screaming in pain. Mm-hmm. I want to focus on the people who need it the most. You know? Thus birth centers, rehabilitation centers, healing centers, illness centers for the elderly, people places for people who are people incarcerated. That makes sense. And and not just the not just the the the The people who are s suffering on a level of like they need emergency help. Mm-hmm. I wanna do festivals for people who need just a a break, you know. I wanna do I wanna I wanna make retreats. I wanna I wanna do I got a lot of ideas. I think I want This is place to talk about if you don't if you want to keep something close to the chest, by all means. But if you wanna if you wanna put it on the record, let's put it on the record. You what I'm saying? It's up you. I I I like whatever level of canniness you want to do. I understand the people, everybody not coming out here. huh. So I want to grow food out here that I can take to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and and then not grow not just grow food, but create systems where we're growing food in different places and we're all we're all in the same viewpoint. So we're controlling that food and the food is not being food toxic, yeah, yeah. Poison and all of that. You know? Yeah. I I think that's a big part of what I wanna do. Like my my whole goal as a chef is to be a healer. You know. And I do think this is a really key position, like right this is a beachhead. Right at the edge of Cali. Bro, we are on a southwest corner. Yeah. As far south as you can go. Yeah. Far west as you can go, that's where we at. Literally, bro. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? As legally as as legally as possible, you know what I'm saying? As a As American as you possibly could. You know what I'm saying? Tactical. Tac no, I feel you, bruh. I feel you. I feel you. I f I I mean, I understand. Islam to the native. And you see how hard it was to get up in here? And you can't just get up in here by yourself. And you got the high ground. Yeah, bruh. You what I'm saying? You got the high ground. You got the Somebody told me that one one of the one of the meanings of my name, I'll forget what na language it was in, but the one of the meanings of the name I mean is the hidden one. And I was like, Yeah. Islam. You know? No, yeah, I mean, yeah, definitely, a hundred percent.

That's a part of yeah, I mean, definitely. The hidden one. That's the that's that is the aspect of creation. Yeah. It's like from what I gather, it's like when the baby is in the womb, it's still being created. Or some might say it's like gravity. Mm-hmm. You know, where you can't see gravity, but gravity is a part of creation. Yeah. We feel gravity, we are existing in gravity. Whether we can personify gravity or not doesn't mean gravity isn't here. I mean the hit of one, yeah, it's a that's a part of law. It's a totality of the creation. There you go. You know what I'm saying? Force. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like a baby being born. So yeah, I guess I never I wanna create this place where We don't have to be a part of everything. Mm-hmm. We can come over here and back be in the incubator incubator and grow ourselves into, you know, the guys we just see. It's also it's also mean peace as well, man. That's true. So I can understand you want to create heaven and heaven and paradise. Bro, everything in me is calling me. Cre creating heaven and paradise w while being hidden. And being a part of creating a new life. Yeah. Creating the new reality. Yeah. You are definitely embodying the different i aspects of your name and I guess it never click with me that I'm to move with you. I mean it's never you say I'm like and we got Adam, you know what I'm saying it never click with me a lot of our vibrations a lot of our vibrations we're doing the meta nature in real time. You know what I'm saying? So nah facts, no, I I feel it man. You know 'cause I'm gonna spark it. I'm trying to spark it. I'm trying to light the match. Yeah. And you're like, I feel you lighting the match, sparking it, but listen man, let me let me let me cook. Yeah. Let me cook over here, man. I mean, I'm cooking, bro. You don't see me cooking, but I'm cooking. Yeah. I'm super cooking. It's a whole baby being born. You can't see the baby, but you can see the you can see this big ass belly. There you go. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that's you. Like we can see. no, he okay. It's something it's it's happening. We don't see, like you said. I don't know. You you don't know what's the next step totality, but there's a vision of a baby. I got a couple ideas for the next step. I gotta make the move that works the best for everybody involved. You know, I can't I can't just step out on on what my heart say and then leave everybody else behind because I don't I don't want this thing to be completely based on me. No, I'll get you, sir. You know what I mean? I want this thing to be collective. I want this thing like even even my vision for how it's gonna be ran. Like once it is fully in its totality, I don't wanna be the mayor of this town. I don't wanna run the town. If I'm needed, I'll come. 'Cause I do have the vision for it. It was given to me. But I I I see a council of elders and youth. And people of middle age. Like I see a council of both men and women. And all of us coming together and and imparting what needs to happen next and how we keep this thing floating. You know, I I don't know who those people are gonna be. But I know, you know, if I continue to work in this direction, the vision will align itself. I think that's equality. That's how we give justice. You don't have something like this and then keep the women's voice down, keep the children's voice down. You need everybody. Otherwise it's not justice, it's more of what we got out there. Same paradigm. Yeah. Duplicing itself. Over and over. And it's a it's a failing system. Mm-hmm. That's why it only lasts two hundred and fifty years. They've done that multiple times and two hundred and fifty seems to be that magic number. And we're about to celebrate July fourth, two hundred and fifty year of this country. Yeah, I'm I'll end it there. Nah. We don't gotta get you fear me. So we're not in it, but I do got just the last question, closing question. so when people talk about what Shaf Amin Muhammad was able to, you know, birth and create years from now, not just the food, not just the land. And you know, what do you want what do you want the story to be, man? I think I was I was I'm I'm a concentration of Amin, right? Mm-hmm. My mom's name is Amin. Mm-hmm. My father's name is Amin. My mom is Queen Amina. Mm-hmm. I I I was, you know, born to do this, but I don't need any of the credit. Mm-hmm. I this is this is something that was like when my father passed, I I I communed with him during a meditation and he didn't say words, but the the the concept or that the idea that I was That that downloaded in my mind later was like, yeah, keep going. You doing what I wanted to do. Not just what I wanted to do, but what he wanted to do and what they wanted to do. Keep going. I don't need I don't need my name on this thing. I don't need legacy for this. I just want to do it. And then, you know, if it happens, I'll be happy. That's it. Yeah, I fail you. I do think that you deserve. And you have earned your flowers. That's for other people to decide. That's what I'm doing right now. I'm deciding, I'm doing it. Let me do it, okay? All praises to God. I understand. But you're not insignificant. All praises. We matter, bro. We all matter. We are we are all God. Brother. Having a human experience. All the humility, Islam. Okay? I don't even consider it humility. It just is. I understand. This is just truth. I understand. I understand. Trust me. I understand, understand. Understand. All of it. While simultaneously, you do deserve to bear the fruit of your labor. I'm not If you go if you wake up and go work a job and they and they say we're gonna give a lot of your paycheck. You know what I'm saying? Like I feel you. I'm with you a thousand percent. That's happened. You know what I'm saying? I feel it. Okay, all praises due to. All of them. I'm gonna keep it moving. The work don't stop. I agree. It doesn't. I ain't here for a check. If I was here for a check, I'd be doing something

else. Like you know. You don't understand. You understand what I'm saying? I'm just saying see we doing it. We doing it in real time. You know what I'm saying? This is what we're gonna do. You know what I'm saying? I just wanna let you know our even when I get a check, guess where it's going? It's going to a lot. Going back into this. Like it's going back to a law. It's law. It's law. I feel you. You know what I'm saying? A hundred percent. I do. And that's the that's this the thing is, I know you genuine. And I know you me brother Adam talked about being a billionaire the other day. Uhhuh. And I was like, a billionaire to me isn't a solo concept. Uh-huh. People who's doing it like that are doing it wrong. Uh-huh. A billionaire is is somebody who got a fucking like a whole team. Like like a monstrous group of people that he's all he's maintaining. Of course. That's what a billionaire is supposed to be. A hundred percent. I don't I don't like having it for yourself to hoard for what? I think you can't get to that level until you without having that. Exactly. You I don't it's impossible. Because no even them, they don't own, they don't have a billion dollars that they can go pull out. They have shares and money and and value. Yeah, what I'm saying. Yeah, but for the most part, yeah. You don't get to that level unless you already have a a lot of value that you already bring in on a global scale. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I get what you say, 100%. but I de once again I know, like I said, I I know that you're not just saying that for the camera. Like we could turn cameras off and he's gonna say this the whole right here and the whole right home and every time we have a conversation it's gonna be, hey man, I'm just doing it. this is what's on my heart. I'm doing this because this is what I put for me to do. I'm doing this because this is my task. This is my mission. And I like I said, I know you're not a hypocrite. And I've I most of the time when I'm having conversations with y'all, I forget the cameras there. Uh-huh. Because the camera is so small. It's not adamant. It's not doing nothing. It's over there on it doing his mind and his business. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll be having a conversation. And I feel like to me, I feel like it's okay for you to remind me to not get the credit. And it's okay for me to remind you to say no, man. You put the work in. You do deserve what you earn. I'm gonna let other people. You know what I'm saying? I get that. To me, that's a part of our ping pong. I'm gonna be okay with my ping pong. Because here's the thing. I'm gonna be okay with my ping pong. Go like man, nah, get yours, bro. But here's the thing. You earned it. You fought for it. Literally. You hear what you eat. You what you killed. I literally believe I literally believe it's gonna come to me either way. I 100%. And I believe that if they take that money and they say it's going to Allah, if they don't actually give it to Allah, they will get what they

deserve. I literally believe that. I'm with you. I agree. I believe they're gonna take that money, it's going to a lot. I understand putting it in my pocket. They're not gonna enjoy one penny of it. It's gonna hurt them more than it help them. They shot themselves in the foot for lying. I feel you. Truth. I'm with you. And I understand. Literally believe that. I get and you do. I know. I know. So I'm not worried. Everything I got, I got everything I need, I got. I need air. I need sun. I understand. You know, I need water. Everything I need is provided to me in abundance by the creator. Islam. You put one fucking watermelon seed in the ground, you get a watermelon that comes up with a hundred watermelon seeds in it. How do I need anything? I understand. I want things. And I'm gonna get them. So there you go. There we have it, bro. There you have it. This is the a real conversation. This is a very smooth conversation. You know, we're we're both not long-winded people when we talk. I think. We got lot of value out of you. I appreciate you once again bringing me on your on your land. Talk to the people, you know, sharing your authentic truth, and showing people it's possible to be a collective landowner and to coexist within a hub and to bring do things for your family, do things for the greater goal and truly take up space and provide value in so many different settings. Let me say this too. I didn't just work with y'all because I thought it was an opportunity. I work with y'all because I had a vision of y'all with me in the future. Mm-hmm. So I'm like, okay, y'all gonna be there. You had gray hair. You had gray hair. We was doing this and we was looking back on how much work we still gotta do, but how much work we done. Mm-hmm. And I was like, Okay, that's what it is. Honestly. Let's get to it. We got a lot of work to do. We got a lot of work to do. But we like working. I I I we do. You know, this is what we love to do. I love working. I do I wanna work with people who love working. I work. I can work every day, all day. If we do what we love to do. I'm working, we're working right now. Yeah. I never stopped working. Wait till we put the pool in. Let's go. Let's do it. You know what I mean? Wait till we put the lake in. huh. Wait till we put the fucking river. No, the lake comes in well every couple years. so there is a lake here. We just gotta we gotta we gotta dig it out and then fill it in and maintain it. Mm-hmm. You know. But yeah, it's a lake. That's gonna be gonna be gotta get fish. They can have a whole apple. So many things. Rice can go, you know, we could do a whole little rice patty farm on the side of the lake. Hey, black we need to get rice from black from our people, man. We got a lot of work to do. So many things that to me, I'm like, that's how we think about it. Who where who got on? Who where the rice at? You know what I'm saying? Where the great where the where's the things that we eat all day, every day that we don't think about, we have to go to somebody else for? Yeah. And not just not just the food. You know what I'm saying? The clothing. We could be growing our clothing. Mm-hmm. Cotton. All of it. All of it. Bamboo. Whatever we need. I understand. Yeah. And I feel like that's why we need to do it. That's why we gotta spark the conversation. We gotta plant the seeds in people's minds. They're like, hey, there's a lot we need to get done. This whole equity thing, we need there's a lot of not only not only mu you know, material, you know, Federal Reserve notes that we're leaving on the table, but just energy and inertia that we're not actively involved in. that we are we're this is this is actively involved in Yeah I mean but at scale you know I'm I'm I I'm gonna get at scale we gotta be okay with getting more involved and d dealing with like our basic our basic necessities. We don't die we don't that we're that we're keep asking everybody else for. And we're gonna continue to multiply. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know, so here it is, man. Let me let me close it out. Can we close it out in prayer? We didn't start it in prayer. I'll say a prayer and then you do your closing remarks. No Islam. You can you can prayer. Wallah Beseech your help and that we ask your mercy. We believe in you and trust in you for all that we need. We are helpers in your cause and with your apostle, please grant to us success. Thank you, Alan. We cannot thank you enough. I mean, Islam. So yeah, I mean, I just kind of wanted to tell the story, right? Of you started from you know food and went into a lot of unrealized potential. And then in this gap. that your faith is being applied to within these systems. And that that is helping to create this full vision to leave whatever capacity of a legacy that you whether you want to internalize as a legacy or not, just a a vision. whatever Allah's plan. Of course. But that's the journey that you're going through. And I think we've done a great job of just kind of showing that journey. showing that, you know, once again, the a lot of what faith can do, you know. So this is, you know, secure the soil. That's wife calling. You know what I'm saying? So work calling. a work calling. We good though. All right, well, yeah, secure the soil. Once again, thank you for your time. Thank you for bringing me out there, out of here. and letting me see the vision and just being an inspiration to the people. Much respect to the nation of Islam. Thank you. Thank for the audience. Thank you for the opportunity. Appreciate it. Y'all keep doing the work. Y'all keep healing the people. Y'all keep dealing with the people in ways that a lot of us aren't able to deal with. Don't have the bandwidth to deal with. I don't have the bandwidth for people. You know what I'm saying? You got your role in it though. I got my I'm doing my role. You know what I'm saying? We're gonna call you for strategy. So you know. Yeah. I'm gonna be out the way, man, so I can keep my peace and stay out of prison. We need that. We need that we need a perspective from things. We need a perspective from war. We need all the perspectives. I understand. I'm ready for war in my own way. I'm actively involved in war. I'm just trying to not get pulled into being a what's it called? You're fighting a different battle on the same wall. Yeah, I'm fighting the principalities. You know what I'm saying? I'm just trying not to get caught into the day to day of of becoming a what what's it called? like a casualty. I don't want to get casualty of war. I gotcha. You know what I'm saying? I want us I want to sustain our in our and last through the war. To be able to be a part of the war and not just get pulled into a casualty of war and a memory. Everybody gotta fight the battle that's in their heart. You know. You know? Your battle is this, my battle is this, but the war is the same. Islam. Islam. There we go. Peace. Secure the soil. Cool. That was a great interview. Cool.