Full Transcript for Episode #637 : Let's Look Back

manage and that I can tell what to do. 04:56.257 --> 04:56.677 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh really? 04:57.157 --> 04:58.478 [SPEAKER_09]: You think I don't know. 04:58.538 --> 04:58.798 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't. 04:59.658 --> 05:01.378 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think he's a yes man as much. 05:01.418 --> 05:06.419 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think he's because all the time is, I need more voices in here. 05:07.000 --> 05:07.180 [SPEAKER_08]: Right. 05:07.200 --> 05:08.040 [SPEAKER_08]: I need more voices. 05:08.180 --> 05:11.160 [SPEAKER_08]: But if the voices aren't smart, does it matter? 05:12.161 --> 05:21.783 [SPEAKER_08]: And can you say I need more voices and let your manager get away with ignoring Jim Palmer and not only just ignoring Jim Palmer being rude, I'm about it. 05:22.697 --> 05:24.178 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, man, you want to jump right into this. 05:24.339 --> 05:26.941 [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, if we want to jump right into managerial stuff. 05:27.582 --> 05:27.902 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 05:28.342 --> 05:29.383 [SPEAKER_09]: Let's, let's talk about that. 05:29.463 --> 05:31.345 [SPEAKER_08]: That was a great, great, great openness. 05:31.746 --> 05:35.169 [SPEAKER_08]: Story of the week and, uh, I guess the weekend. 05:35.929 --> 05:37.311 [SPEAKER_08]: Then, okay, Thursday or Friday. 05:37.800 --> 05:43.026 [SPEAKER_09]: So as the story goes, Josh, correct me for wrong, but Jim Palmer, and he shared this on the Mike boardy podcast. 05:43.446 --> 05:47.210 [SPEAKER_09]: Jim Palmer at the beginning in spring training sent. 05:56.147 --> 06:03.570 [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I love Colton Coweser, but if he can take his offensive game against left hitters to the next level, I could really be a game breaker. 06:03.590 --> 06:09.333 [SPEAKER_09]: So he should watch some film of Cody Belinger Craig Auburnas allegedly never responded to the text. 06:09.533 --> 06:14.215 [SPEAKER_09]: And then at the end of the season, we know Jim Palmer is a very good memory of the season. 06:14.675 --> 06:23.579 [SPEAKER_09]: Jim Palmer, you know, mentions to Craig about setting the text and Craig just kind of dismissively says what that was a long time ago, which is so rude. 06:25.160 --> 06:27.924 [SPEAKER_08]: And then he devil's down with, it's easy to talk. 06:28.665 --> 06:33.992 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, which is just, which is just, which is just what it does Craig know who he's talking to. 06:35.070 --> 06:38.133 [SPEAKER_09]: Right, right, the Hall of Fame, a Hall of Famer. 06:38.313 --> 06:41.395 [SPEAKER_09]: The same way, the Hall of Famer, who lived it. 06:41.916 --> 06:45.378 [SPEAKER_08]: The favorite manager of Orio fans. 06:46.079 --> 06:50.022 [SPEAKER_08]: If your favorite manager was not Earl Iver, it is Buckshillwater. 06:50.823 --> 06:51.824 [SPEAKER_08]: It's pretty simple. 06:52.204 --> 06:59.630 [SPEAKER_08]: And what Orio fans loved about Buck when he came to town is he knew and learned the history of the bottom Orio. 06:59.961 --> 07:06.504 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah, remember was it said with Mullins where he puts said with Mullins aside and says kind of do your homework, I forget who it was on. 07:06.524 --> 07:08.765 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, down bail or something like that. 07:08.805 --> 07:09.765 [SPEAKER_09]: Book report. 07:10.106 --> 07:11.566 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, come with a book report. 07:11.866 --> 07:12.066 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. 07:12.127 --> 07:14.107 [SPEAKER_09]: On this form of Orioles, so you know your stuff. 07:14.207 --> 07:14.408 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 07:14.668 --> 07:18.810 [SPEAKER_08]: What we know is punctual water would never disrespect our Hall of Fame picture. 07:19.330 --> 07:19.810 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh my god. 07:19.830 --> 07:20.350 [SPEAKER_09]: Who has been? 07:20.690 --> 07:20.870 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 07:20.930 --> 07:22.351 [SPEAKER_08]: Not just that picture. 07:22.431 --> 07:26.233 [SPEAKER_08]: Forget Jim Palmer's experience as a baseball player. 07:27.289 --> 07:29.931 [SPEAKER_08]: He has been around the organization for over 60 years. 07:30.551 --> 07:31.332 [SPEAKER_09]: Longer than anyone. 07:31.852 --> 07:32.072 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. 07:32.353 --> 07:34.954 [SPEAKER_09]: Like there's no one who knows the organization better than Jim Palmer. 07:35.735 --> 07:36.496 [SPEAKER_09]: That 100%. 07:36.696 --> 07:37.316 [SPEAKER_09]: That lives. 07:37.856 --> 07:38.577 [SPEAKER_09]: No one universe. 07:38.837 --> 07:39.338 [SPEAKER_09]: No one knows. 07:40.138 --> 07:40.819 [SPEAKER_09]: You're right. 07:40.839 --> 07:46.362 [SPEAKER_08]: There's no one who has lasted multiple ownership managers. 07:46.423 --> 07:47.583 [SPEAKER_08]: He's not lasted everyone. 07:48.224 --> 07:48.464 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 07:48.724 --> 07:52.567 [SPEAKER_08]: And you can't even respond for one, forget Ignore in the text. 07:54.835 --> 08:02.782 [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, text are the easiest thing to respond to, because if you, let's say Craig thinks Jim Palmer's an idiot. 08:03.082 --> 08:11.349 [SPEAKER_08]: Let's say, let's say that he thinks Jim Palmer has net is a broadcaster who has never played baseball. 08:12.070 --> 08:14.572 [SPEAKER_08]: One, you're an idiot if you don't understand that. 08:15.273 --> 08:15.553 [SPEAKER_08]: Two. 08:15.853 --> 08:16.914 [SPEAKER_09]: No, you know if you come or is. 08:17.375 --> 08:17.675 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 08:17.715 --> 08:17.975 [SPEAKER_08]: Fine. 08:18.255 --> 08:19.737 [SPEAKER_08]: Then you just respond with a thumbs up. 08:20.397 --> 08:26.186 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, you just respond with a little bit of a He's an old boomer who's out of date and doesn't know what he's talking about in terms of. 08:26.346 --> 08:32.576 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, then you swear I guess that says okay grandpa Yeah, you do something you respond to the guy 08:33.344 --> 08:35.506 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do more than a thumbs up, too. 08:35.546 --> 08:36.968 [SPEAKER_09]: You say, well, that's interesting idea. 08:36.988 --> 08:38.449 [SPEAKER_09]: I appreciate

you sharing your thoughts or something. 08:38.830 --> 08:40.111 [SPEAKER_09]: It makes me have to take his advice. 08:40.411 --> 08:41.772 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, you're going to follow the feedback. 08:41.792 --> 08:43.374 [SPEAKER_09]: Keep that in and that you've gotten it. 08:43.834 --> 08:52.503 [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't think that's the decent thing to do when a Hall of Famer involved in the organization, any Hall of Famer, but especially when involved in the organization, text you, especially if you're the new guy, 08:54.825 --> 08:55.726 [SPEAKER_09]: Why would you not? 08:56.227 --> 09:07.617 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, if I if I the appropriate response to that tax was I appreciate your advice Let's meet for coffee and talk about or something right like you want to pick the brain of a guy It's been with the organization for forget. 09:07.637 --> 09:07.917 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. 09:08.117 --> 09:08.918 [SPEAKER_09]: No, that's a good idea. 09:08.938 --> 09:09.518 [SPEAKER_09]: Why why not? 09:10.019 --> 09:10.239 [SPEAKER_08]: Right. 09:10.319 --> 09:12.081 [SPEAKER_08]: That's yeah That's interesting. 09:12.161 --> 09:13.442 [SPEAKER_08]: Why don't you stop by the club house? 09:13.822 --> 09:19.908 [SPEAKER_09]: Why don't you come by one Anything besides I'll come to you like you would want to pick that dude's brain 09:21.094 --> 09:21.394 [SPEAKER_08]: Right? 09:21.895 --> 09:22.936 [SPEAKER_08]: That seems like common sense. 09:22.956 --> 09:28.381 [SPEAKER_08]: For anything, forget the baseball experience, the years, the older version, the around it. 09:29.462 --> 09:31.423 [SPEAKER_08]: So here's what, here's my problem. 09:31.604 --> 09:32.965 [SPEAKER_08]: It's I take that big picture. 09:33.525 --> 09:42.974 [SPEAKER_08]: Where I look at, well, if Craig is not even taking the time to respond to Jim Palmer, how does he treat his interactions with other people? 09:44.230 --> 09:45.272 [SPEAKER_08]: How does he handle it? 09:45.893 --> 09:48.617 [SPEAKER_09]: If I don't respond to feedback, yeah. 09:48.738 --> 09:49.719 [SPEAKER_08]: How does he handle it? 09:49.960 --> 09:54.607 [SPEAKER_08]: If Gunner Henderson comes into the office and says, hey, we should really change this up. 09:55.088 --> 09:56.150 [SPEAKER_08]: Or hey, have you thought of this? 09:57.352 --> 09:57.712 [SPEAKER_08]: How does... 09:58.816 --> 10:21.043 [SPEAKER_08]: we we know again I hate to bring back the book show water but what we know is the players could go to him and he would call out the players and that's the next part is calling out the players because as fans we've been irritated with players and we've seen Craig's response to the media be the jump on that grenade every time. 10:22.163 --> 10:23.984 [SPEAKER_08]: Do you forget your sunglasses in the outfield? 10:24.084 --> 10:25.885 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, they are that was disappointing but I'm not 10:28.785 --> 10:30.207 [SPEAKER_08]: You struggle at the plate. 10:30.347 --> 10:31.388 [SPEAKER_08]: He makes excuses. 10:31.508 --> 10:32.849 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to change you in the lineup. 10:34.210 --> 10:42.257 [SPEAKER_08]: He protects his players to their own detriment sometimes because it seems like he doesn't like confrontation. 10:42.938 --> 10:45.560 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and you want to go about your boy bread and hide. 10:45.840 --> 10:48.903 [SPEAKER_09]: You want more fighting in the dugout, like bread and hide in Chris Davis. 10:49.163 --> 10:50.324 [SPEAKER_09]: That's what the next is. 10:50.504 --> 10:51.085 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, I do. 10:51.505 --> 10:52.005 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, I do. 10:52.125 --> 10:55.989 [SPEAKER_08]: Over this crap, I, if I was Mike Elias, 10:57.426 --> 10:59.786 [SPEAKER_08]: I would have fired Craig today. 11:00.927 --> 11:04.007 [SPEAKER_08]: On the other one, based on the inner output you and Palmer, right? 11:04.407 --> 11:06.528 [SPEAKER_08]: Also, here's the other thing that you're taking as a fan. 11:06.668 --> 11:20.971 [SPEAKER_09]: No, but real quick, on the Jim Palmer thing, on the other side of it, isn't the other side of this discussion, though, that for you, Josh, this is just confirmation bias, where this fits right into how you already viewed Craig. 11:20.991 --> 11:26.852 [SPEAKER_09]: So you're just eating this up, and other real fans who are already anti-credigged are more likely just to eat this up. 11:27.611 --> 11:46.174 [SPEAKER_08]: I think 100% what this Texas change shows and Jim Palmer's thought process is it completely enforces everything that we have seen as a fan base on the outside, defrostrations with how he talks to the media, the frustrations with how he handles his players. 11:46.594 --> 11:49.715 [SPEAKER_08]: The frustration that our defense was worse and baseball. 11:57.866 --> 12:02.527 [SPEAKER_09]: He came out with this, he makes everyone's life more complicated by sharing this story. 12:03.028 --> 12:06.149 [SPEAKER_09]: Do you think Jim Palmer should have sat on this or just had a private conversation? 12:07.349 --> 12:11.750 [SPEAKER_09]: Even if, you know, maybe would try to have a private conversation but when it gets a movie, it would just be left on red. 12:12.250 --> 12:14.291 [SPEAKER_09]: Is it appropriate for Jim to put all this out there? 12:15.271 --> 12:17.672 [SPEAKER_08]: I think, stir some stuff just here. 12:17.772 --> 12:20.313 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, there's two ways to handle this. 12:21.552 --> 12:24.575 [SPEAKER_08]: And we've seen Jim on Twitter, handle the backlash. 12:24.996 --> 12:30.681 [SPEAKER_08]: At first, he did come out and say, hey, I didn't mean for everyone to jump on and attack Craig. 12:32.083 --> 12:39.210 [SPEAKER_08]: But then, when one of Craig's buddies attacked Jim, Jim Double Town and said, of course you're protecting your guy. 12:39.783 --> 12:49.289 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and even in original apologies, like I didn't mean to call all this drama, but, you know, the story is still still in, and this happened, right? 12:49.309 --> 12:52.991

[SPEAKER_09]: Jim Paul was it apologizing that he ever made the comments, right? 12:53.031 --> 12:55.552 [SPEAKER_09]: No, he just felt bad about all the backlash. 12:55.792 --> 12:56.013 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. 12:56.793 --> 12:59.194 [SPEAKER_08]: Jim Palmer is an Orioles fan. 12:59.214 --> 13:00.275 [SPEAKER_08]: Is it Daniel? 13:00.295 --> 13:01.216 [SPEAKER_08]: Is it Daniel Orioles fan? 13:01.476 --> 13:03.897 [SPEAKER_09]: The reason I love to talk to you, he wants the Orioles to win. 13:04.077 --> 13:04.257 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 13:04.678 --> 13:04.858 [SPEAKER_08]: Right. 13:04.898 --> 13:08.240 [SPEAKER_08]: The reason we love Jim Palmer in the boost is because he speaks honestly. 13:09.332 --> 13:09.432 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 13:09.452 --> 13:10.916 [SPEAKER_08]: He tells you how he sees it. 13:11.417 --> 13:13.762 [SPEAKER_08]: So we want this is what we want from Jim Palmer. 13:14.544 --> 13:15.927 [SPEAKER_08]: Is this does this cause? 13:17.027 --> 13:19.548 [SPEAKER_08]: previous ownership within suspent him. 13:20.128 --> 13:23.468 [SPEAKER_08]: It'll be interesting to see if he gets less games on massive. 13:23.568 --> 13:27.569 [SPEAKER_09]: No, no, previous owner, if Kevin Brown said this, they would suspend Kevin Brown. 13:27.589 --> 13:27.689 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 13:27.989 --> 13:29.790 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, that's the other thing to suspend Jim Palmer. 13:30.150 --> 13:31.110 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, Jim, that is true. 13:31.210 --> 13:32.090 [SPEAKER_09]: Can say stuff. 13:32.410 --> 13:34.411 [SPEAKER_09]: Part of the reason we like him too is because he can say stuff. 13:35.151 --> 13:36.871 [SPEAKER_09]: And he has no repercussions because he knows. 13:36.911 --> 13:38.852 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I'm a freaking, all of a favor. 13:39.572 --> 13:39.852 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 13:40.032 --> 13:43.093 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I guess maybe Craig Oppenis doesn't know that, but everyone else knows that he's 13:46.145 --> 13:47.927 [SPEAKER_08]: So, I think there's two things here. 13:49.208 --> 13:53.152 [SPEAKER_08]: I think Jim Palmer is really frustrated with the way this organization went this year. 13:53.613 --> 13:59.839 [SPEAKER_08]: He is frustrated with Craig Albranes and the disrespect and the way he managed the birds this year. 14:01.161 --> 14:04.724 [SPEAKER_08]: Third, I believe Jim Palmer does not know the reach of a podcast. 14:06.306 --> 14:08.148 [SPEAKER_08]: And he was just comfortable talking to Mike Porter. 14:09.612 --> 14:11.894 [SPEAKER_08]: on some random podcast on some random podcast. 14:11.914 --> 14:13.515 [SPEAKER_09]: No, not a random podcast, Josh. 14:13.535 --> 14:20.401 [SPEAKER_09]: This is a former Orioles Hall of Famer, the podcast, or this Hall of Famer podcast, Mike Bordick, that was Jim Palmer's response. 14:21.522 --> 14:26.166 [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe, yeah, you know, he didn't put it out there in a tweet. 14:26.707 --> 14:32.371 [SPEAKER_09]: And he knows the reach of his ex account and how that's shared, I think,

maybe more than a podcast. 14:32.652 --> 14:33.673 [SPEAKER_08]: He didn't call rock. 14:34.353 --> 14:36.235 [SPEAKER_08]: He didn't go to the Baltimore side or the banner. 14:36.939 --> 14:37.179 [SPEAKER_09]: Right. 14:37.199 --> 14:39.661 [SPEAKER_09]: He was just talking to his buddy Mike exactly. 14:39.801 --> 14:41.283 [SPEAKER_08]: So I think there's a little that too. 14:41.883 --> 14:45.986 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but but we all love honest Jim Which is even better. 14:46.807 --> 14:47.507 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I know. 14:47.527 --> 14:50.990 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm surprised that story didn't come up on an Iran guest. 14:51.070 --> 15:05.722 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I don't Doesn't hold back really, but he did he clearly held back because yeah any of Colton counter counselors strikeouts any of the time that he was Ben's against lefties Any of this stuff would have been a great time to tell this story 15:06.197 --> 15:21.561 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and I think that's where Jim's frustration is coming more, not maybe dark dead Albinas, but more that these pirates haven't developed like, yes, they should have been and, and, and maybe, you know, Jim could should talk directly to Colton, but I'm sure Craig wouldn't appreciate that either. 15:23.221 --> 15:28.523 [SPEAKER_08]: No, he would, and that and that's where it could strictly because Jim was doing the right thing. 15:28.603 --> 15:30.343 [SPEAKER_08]: He didn't want to go around the managers. 15:31.404 --> 15:31.664 [SPEAKER_09]: Roll. 15:32.364 --> 15:32.564 [SPEAKER_08]: Right. 15:33.808 --> 15:43.832 [SPEAKER_09]: All right, so, uh, but Abernes, it seems like I watched the press conference, it seems like Abernes job is relatively safe as of now. 15:45.013 --> 15:45.493 [SPEAKER_09]: I think so. 15:45.853 --> 15:47.353 [SPEAKER_09]: You don't anticipate and get fired in the offices. 15:48.914 --> 15:57.277 [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, I'd be very tempted to one this, but I know they don't want to go through the search of a new manager and all that stuff. 15:57.517 --> 15:58.698 [SPEAKER_08]: I get that that's a hassle. 15:59.883 --> 16:14.722 [SPEAKER_09]: You know, something that became clear in the press conference is Michael I has said the ownership group of The Rubinstein and Aaron Getty and all the Aaron Getty able to say whatever his name is then there's other people that they are Yeah, that they are very much involved 16:15.763 --> 16:22.886 [SPEAKER_09]: And so, I wonder, like we know, I think my goal is to tend to want to stick with Craig, because he went to the whole search process. 16:22.906 --> 16:24.146 [SPEAKER_09]: You don't want to do a whole other search process. 16:24.166 --> 16:31.149 [SPEAKER_09]: You've got your guy, but I want the responsive ownership and Rubenstein, how they're feeling about all that stuff. 16:31.689 --> 16:33.890 [SPEAKER_08]: And we know, we can understand what we know. 16:33.910 --> 16:40.633 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, remember, we did see stories in like late to lie where

Kavra can went out and started working on defense with the guys. 16:41.294 --> 16:41.494 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 16:41.854 --> 16:44.355 [SPEAKER_09]: And they also came out vocally, not a support of Abernes. 16:44.395 --> 16:46.456 [SPEAKER_09]: They didn't really say anything on Abernes, one way the other. 16:46.716 --> 16:48.557 [SPEAKER_09]: But they did support Elias. 16:48.597 --> 16:51.058 [SPEAKER_09]: So it sounds like Elias is relatively safe with owners. 16:51.078 --> 16:51.358 [SPEAKER_08]: Right. 16:52.639 --> 16:52.939 [SPEAKER_08]: Right. 16:53.759 --> 16:54.580 [SPEAKER_08]: But I don't know about 16:55.980 --> 16:58.222 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't, and clearly there's going to be some changes. 16:58.622 --> 17:04.647 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and Eli is, here's, the truth is, Eli is, does not want to fire Craig, could ownership for some two? 17:04.727 --> 17:05.468 [SPEAKER_08]: I think that's right. 17:05.528 --> 17:05.748 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 17:05.808 --> 17:06.869 [SPEAKER_09]: That's the thing that we don't know. 17:07.229 --> 17:16.797 [SPEAKER_08]: And I think this comment from Jim makes it look bad and makes your organization look bad and sometimes that's enough to tip the hand of ownership. 17:17.583 --> 17:46.624 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, if not, this is going to be in the back of my mind if we get off to a really rough start in April May or June and I think if he's I think he could bear I don't think it's not going to fire in the off season But I think he barely quickly become on thin ice during the season next year depending on the things go Yeah, I agree I think yeah, I think he starts the season on the hot seat if he's not gone I agree with you there Yeah 17:48.687 --> 17:49.208 [SPEAKER_09]: All right. 17:49.228 --> 17:51.089 [SPEAKER_09]: So we got some stuff to cover in this podcast. 17:51.149 --> 17:53.592 [SPEAKER_09]: I want to we got a we've touched on the press conference a little bit. 17:53.612 --> 17:55.053 [SPEAKER_09]: I want to talk more about the press conference. 17:55.393 --> 18:00.718 [SPEAKER_09]: I want to talk about some injury news and we have to get to our update our bullet predictions as well. 18:01.278 --> 18:03.120 [SPEAKER_09]: And I got to say Josh my bullet predictions. 18:03.280 --> 18:07.444 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if I've ever been in my predictions as I have been this past year. 18:07.464 --> 18:09.586 [SPEAKER_09]: So this is why embarrassing to talk about. 18:09.786 --> 18:13.850 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you see my bullet predictions because mine were just as bad if not worse than yours. 18:14.587 --> 18:19.069 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, just before we get there, a couple other quick notes from the press conference. 18:20.130 --> 18:23.411 [SPEAKER_09]: There's a big nothing burger, but I mean, probably this size. 18:23.591 --> 18:26.473 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, you don't expect because they're the it's just ended. 18:26.493 --> 18:27.593 [SPEAKER_09]: They haven't made any decisions yet. 18:27.613 --> 18:34.317

[SPEAKER_09]: They still people to meet with Craig emphasize the ability to focus on the basics focus on execution the fundamentals. 18:35.317 --> 18:38.039 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, and he did say like this is the same thing talking about spring training. 18:38.059 --> 18:40.041 [SPEAKER_09]: So it sounds like his message is the same. 18:40.601 --> 18:47.246 [SPEAKER_09]: Focus on fundamentals and the basics and I didn't really work out this year as Josh mentioned the poor defense. 18:47.527 --> 18:52.050 [SPEAKER_09]: Right, but I guess he's preaching the same message going in the next year and maybe next year that results be different. 18:52.871 --> 18:54.932 [SPEAKER_09]: With the same message, we'll say is. 18:56.454 --> 19:02.018 [SPEAKER_08]: How much of the poor defense is the players can't do it versus setting them up to fail. 19:04.250 --> 19:26.523 [SPEAKER_08]: Like, yeah, is the poor defense that we suck at defense or is it that we never had a good outfield or is it we screwed change things up all the time because you look at things like third base while that was supposed to be Westburg and though that pretend you look at the numbers and you're like, well, didn't drop off that much. 19:48.695 --> 19:50.257 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, we can look at a position by position. 19:50.297 --> 19:53.862 [SPEAKER_09]: I think outfield for me is the one that comes because we all have to look at this first. 19:54.883 --> 20:07.258 [SPEAKER_09]: And this is a question we're always asking with Craig and Michael I is like, how much of this of the fault is the players that are out there or kind of their coaching and how they're a position and all that stuff? 20:08.319 --> 20:13.781 [SPEAKER_09]: and how much blame goes to the GM for that and how much goes to the manager. 20:14.001 --> 20:17.722 [SPEAKER_09]: But Michaelized did acknowledge and I appreciate that someone asked him about the outfield. 20:18.122 --> 20:22.883 [SPEAKER_09]: And he acknowledged like the outfield is an area that did not have the production offensive or defensively it needs to have. 20:23.363 --> 20:24.904 [SPEAKER_09]: So that's an area that needs to be upgraded. 20:25.824 --> 20:40.578 [SPEAKER_09]: And we talked about before, but like free agency there's not a lot in center field and that's where we need upgrade and I I also was wondering guys I was watching the press conference on one hand there were talking about all these great performers at third base and. 20:40.738 --> 20:48.622 [SPEAKER_09]: the addition of Westburg, who presumably will be ready by spring training coming back from time in John, they say starting his hidden progression. 20:49.082 --> 20:57.386 [SPEAKER_09]: So now we're going to have Westburg at third, Mayo, West third, CES at third, blaze as a backup at third. 20:57.586 --> 20:59.487 [SPEAKER_09]: Those are four guys, they're gay at that. 20:59.967 --> 21:18.317 [SPEAKER_09]: Right, and then I wonder, oh, well, we also have this hole in the outfield could

there possibly a trade here that we could swing if we wanted to trade a Westburg or a Mayo or a blaze and upgrade that centerfield position to something to watch for this offseason. 21:18.698 --> 21:24.721 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that was just I just pulled up the stats to see and I just ran it through AI and said, where was the defensive problem? 21:25.782 --> 21:27.643 [SPEAKER_08]: And it gave second pace a D plus. 21:28.945 --> 21:35.070 [SPEAKER_08]: It said Jackson Holiday Struggled and Jeremiah Jackson was a little bit better, but still struggled at second pace. 21:36.230 --> 21:41.074 [SPEAKER_08]: It said in center field, to Various, was our biggest negative. 21:41.634 --> 21:43.796 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, to Various was not good, which makes sense. 21:45.065 --> 21:45.305 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 21:45.365 --> 21:48.708 [SPEAKER_08]: And then it said cows are was a sea in center field. 21:48.768 --> 21:53.091 [SPEAKER_08]: And then Gunner Henderson, of course, we saw a lot of injuries with Gunner Henderson. 21:53.431 --> 21:57.054 [SPEAKER_08]: And that might have gotten to us learn and at the end about a risk injury. 21:57.174 --> 21:58.434 [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah. 21:58.795 --> 22:02.017 [SPEAKER_08]: He, he, Gunner Henderson had a big struggle defensively. 22:04.279 --> 22:04.539 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 22:04.799 --> 22:06.500 [SPEAKER_09]: And maybe that's related to the injury. 22:08.815 --> 22:09.115 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 22:09.696 --> 22:11.537 [SPEAKER_09]: So we'll see. 22:11.557 --> 22:19.101 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, in terms of Jackson holiday, I know he had a what a fielding, a stack cast field run value of negative two, out to above average of negative two. 22:19.902 --> 22:27.266 [SPEAKER_09]: So certainly down here for him defensively, but that's something where like you're not going to change holiday at second base. 22:27.326 --> 22:29.448 [SPEAKER_09]: You're going to change kind of kind of short. 22:30.008 --> 22:32.149 [SPEAKER_09]: So those players just need to play a little bit better. 22:32.169 --> 22:36.232 [SPEAKER_09]: And I think the North America capable of playing better at that position as well. 22:37.172 --> 22:50.415 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, as I did my little scan, it said left field was our biggest issue, but Taylor Ward was okay, but everyone else in that position was bad and, uh, cause this runs, that Western Wilson was the worst out there. 22:51.715 --> 22:52.555 [SPEAKER_08]: Western Wilson. 22:52.575 --> 22:54.636 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't even remember Western Wilson. 22:55.456 --> 22:57.757 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, did he even have a start out there this year? 22:57.777 --> 23:01.137 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if he played a game for us this year. 23:01.417 --> 23:02.458 [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe at the end there. 23:05.610 --> 23:06.810 [SPEAKER_09]: I guess you may have played. 23:07.310 --> 23:09.751 [SPEAKER_09]: He probably played in September when I stopped watching. 23:11.451 --> 23:23.673 [SPEAKER_09]: So that's, yeah, so that's, and that's why it was a little bit baffling that Enrique Bradford Jr. did not get an opportunity because that's a strength of his, his defense. 23:24.193 --> 23:26.634 [SPEAKER_09]: West and Wilson played 19 games for us. 23:27.154 --> 23:28.414 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, he played 19 games? 23:28.714 --> 23:29.614 [SPEAKER_09]: 19 games. 23:29.894 --> 23:31.774 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry, West, and I disrespect to you. 23:35.704 --> 23:36.785 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, even got a home run. 23:38.127 --> 23:40.669 [SPEAKER_09]: All right, I apologize for the disrespect wasted. 23:42.612 --> 23:43.272 [SPEAKER_09]: Good for you, dude. 23:44.555 --> 23:46.596 [SPEAKER_09]: But clearly, he's not the answer in left field. 23:46.776 --> 23:46.997 [SPEAKER_08]: No. 23:47.597 --> 23:50.018 [SPEAKER_09]: And Taylor Ward was obviously not the answer in left field. 23:50.499 --> 23:54.261 [SPEAKER_09]: So it seems like this is an area again to upgrade. 23:54.721 --> 23:56.422 [SPEAKER_09]: And it doesn't seem outside of Enrique Bradford. 23:56.442 --> 23:58.843 [SPEAKER_09]: Junior, we have some other guys further than the miners. 23:58.863 --> 24:00.384 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, just drafted Eric with Junior. 24:01.925 --> 24:03.726 [SPEAKER_09]: That guy we got for, I'm not gonna as an advocate. 24:03.746 --> 24:06.068 [SPEAKER_09]: We got for Boston, outfielder. 24:06.088 --> 24:07.929 [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe I can't think of his name. 24:10.151 --> 24:20.363 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, anyway, he's been and Andy and the S car or something, he's just added to a bunch of top 100 lists, but again, he's probably a year to a way. 24:20.884 --> 24:25.870 [SPEAKER_09]: And so maybe there's hop coming in two or three years, but for this next year. 24:26.731 --> 24:28.351 [SPEAKER_09]: we're going to need to figure out what to upgrade. 24:28.431 --> 24:33.653 [SPEAKER_09]: And I hope in Ricky Bradford, Jr. is part of the solution, but I don't think he can be the entire solution either. 24:34.233 --> 24:38.974 [SPEAKER_09]: So that's something to, yeah, and he's the space in the outscar. 24:38.994 --> 24:39.214 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 24:39.894 --> 24:40.135 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 24:40.195 --> 24:42.675 [SPEAKER_08]: He was at, he was at, he was at high A. 24:43.135 --> 24:52.278 [SPEAKER_09]: High A, yeah, but he's been added to a bunch of top 100, so I think we'll start next year in double A. Yeah, it is the fastest, but it is interesting when you look at our top 24:53.745 --> 24:56.627 [SPEAKER_08]: Number one, we have Eric Boost Jr. Who's an outfielder? 24:57.128 --> 24:57.788 [SPEAKER_08]: But he's at 18. 24:57.848 --> 24:59.290 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, 18. 24:59.690 --> 25:00.731 [SPEAKER_08]: He was generally an outfielder. 25:01.271 --> 25:03.073 [SPEAKER_08]: Ike Irish outfielder. 25:03.593 --> 25:03.813 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 25:04.053 --> 25:07.236 [SPEAKER_09]: But he, he was hurt most of the, the most last year. 25:07.276 --> 25:07.596 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 25:07.836 --> 25:09.378

[SPEAKER_08]: But now they're 22-year-old kid. 25:09.798 --> 25:14.762 [SPEAKER_08]: Then we got by the, who's 19, then we've got Nate George, who's 20. 25:15.443 --> 25:17.704 [SPEAKER_08]: And those are four of our top. 25:18.505 --> 25:32.160 [SPEAKER_09]: seven prospects are outfielders and the rest of the pitchers right the rest are the rest of the day hunter yeah just if zero yeah we got a short stop in at number nine 25:34.034 --> 25:38.456 [SPEAKER_08]: but then we've got pitchers, pitchers, pitchers, lots of pitchers. 25:38.596 --> 25:44.537 [SPEAKER_09]: And lots of pitchers at Triple A, including Lucy Leon, who they talked about in the press conference, who hopefully we'll have after you start. 25:44.577 --> 25:53.840 [SPEAKER_09]: So, lots of good pitching prospects are very close to the majors, but not very much help coming from other positions outside of pitching. 25:53.860 --> 26:00.623 [SPEAKER_09]: It looks like speaking of pitching, they did talk in the press conference about wanting to re-sign Rogers. 26:00.903 --> 26:01.503 [SPEAKER_09]: You have to. 26:02.760 --> 26:08.743 [SPEAKER_09]: That's, yeah, it feels like Rogers is a necessary piece of that starting pitching staff. 26:09.103 --> 26:10.583 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think you can do better in free agency. 26:10.603 --> 26:12.864 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think you're going to go inside school, right? 26:12.884 --> 26:14.945 [SPEAKER_09]: So I think that's the best you can probably get as Rogers. 26:15.465 --> 26:17.066 [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's good. 26:17.506 --> 26:19.967 [SPEAKER_09]: I think you should return Rogers. 26:20.107 --> 26:30.852 [SPEAKER_09]: And honestly, I know our pitching and we'll get to it wasn't great this year, but I'm okay rolling back with, you know, those with Braddish, you know how to see Rogers. 26:31.953 --> 26:45.027 [SPEAKER_09]: That's young, like that's a pretty decent top four, and then you wait for some of these young kids to develop loose date daily on or kid hunter, a zera, or iron sin, and then you kind of fill that spot from there. 26:45.067 --> 26:48.772 [SPEAKER_09]: So, no, that's the mention we still got as a povitch, and there as well. 26:49.645 --> 26:55.727 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, this is the one off season in a while that I can remember where I don't think pitch and should be the top priority. 26:56.187 --> 26:58.888 [SPEAKER_08]: We've always been a bring us an ace, give us an ace. 26:59.488 --> 27:02.529 [SPEAKER_08]: I think we learned this year, that's not what we need this season. 27:03.789 --> 27:10.511 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, if there was an ace available, but like, of course, it's been, I mean, you watch the playoffs. 27:10.531 --> 27:16.113 [SPEAKER_09]: You got guys like Mr.owski, this guy's Slipler, you got some guys dominating. 27:17.027 --> 27:19.128 [SPEAKER_09]: But like, you can't get those guys. 27:19.188 --> 27:23.969 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you kind of sign schoolable, but I don't think we're able to compete for 600 million, or whatever is not a kind of the kind of the kind of do. 27:24.689 --> 27:31.751 [SPEAKER_09]: And there's so few of those elite guys that you have to hope to draft them and develop that elite guy. 27:32.191 --> 27:34.712 [SPEAKER_09]: And in the meantime, just get the best guys you can get. 27:35.032 --> 27:39.293 [SPEAKER_09]: But I don't think we're gonna get to create and see anyone better than Braddish Baz or Rodgers. 27:39.333 --> 27:42.874 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, that's who we have, and who we're gonna have to roll with. 27:43.154 --> 27:44.955 [SPEAKER_09]: And yeah, go from there. 27:46.741 --> 27:51.567 [SPEAKER_08]: Did they, during that press conference, they talked about the three guys that we have club options for? 27:53.089 --> 27:54.991 [SPEAKER_08]: No, they didn't mention the specific designs. 27:55.152 --> 27:55.913 [SPEAKER_09]: They didn't talk about it really. 27:55.933 --> 27:58.496 [SPEAKER_08]: Do you think we bring back any of these guys? 27:59.157 --> 27:59.838 [SPEAKER_08]: With the obchees. 28:00.278 --> 28:02.341 [SPEAKER_08]: Dietrich Dens, green and a half million. 28:02.982 --> 28:03.162 [SPEAKER_08]: No. 28:04.713 --> 28:33.481 [SPEAKER_08]: uh... Louise Roberts Jr. twenty million no but i do hope we try to renegotiate uh... as a lesser number yeah yeah let them go and maybe you can sign them well right you know who the last one is seven and a half million dollars uh... is he did you play a lot this year he did not it's a long-term oil long- oh i knew it is right my castle it's right my castle yeah unfortunately don't bring him back either 28:33.970 --> 28:39.454 [SPEAKER_08]: Seventh half million is not very expensive, but it's not, but you don't need a backup for a spaceman. 28:40.635 --> 28:42.316 [SPEAKER_08]: And do you trust Ryan Mountcastle as a DH? 28:42.336 --> 28:46.319 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I don't think you want a full-time DH like that. 28:46.619 --> 28:48.481 [SPEAKER_09]: And Alonza doesn't miss very many games I've heard. 28:48.521 --> 28:48.701 [SPEAKER_08]: No. 28:49.562 --> 28:51.923 [SPEAKER_08]: And I miss any. 28:51.983 --> 28:53.404 [SPEAKER_09]: Even he got a day off first. 28:53.845 --> 28:54.925 [SPEAKER_09]: He got a little back to that. 28:55.126 --> 28:56.086 [SPEAKER_09]: But then in the DHS, yeah. 28:57.487 --> 29:02.711 [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, I would be surprised if they brought back Ryan Maccastle. 29:04.632 --> 29:12.677 [SPEAKER_09]: if any team signs right in my castle as is power production dropped off the past couple years and then combined out with injury of care, see might not do it, do it minorly deal. 29:12.937 --> 29:22.283 [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's a my I think I do think it's probably a minorly deal or with a spring invite that he gets to some team or a rebuilding team who hopes to kind of cast like the bottle can trade them. 29:23.852 --> 29:27.235 [SPEAKER_08]: How many games did Peter Lanzo play this year for the Oreos? 29:27.816 --> 29:30.098

[SPEAKER_08]: Play it every 161, every game. 29:30.118 --> 29:30.938 [SPEAKER_08]: 161, you're right. 29:31.279 --> 29:31.599 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 29:32.039 --> 29:32.200 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 29:32.240 --> 29:33.220 [SPEAKER_08]: Don't just kick me, Josh. 29:33.260 --> 29:34.281 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm trying to do it. 29:35.082 --> 29:37.885 [SPEAKER_08]: I honestly, I thought I'd get you with the fact that the Oreos only played 161 games. 29:37.905 --> 29:38.005 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 29:39.586 --> 29:51.035 [SPEAKER_09]: they uh they did talk the press conference also about players were a couple questions asked about players not progressing as you kind of thought they would progress rather older seasons. 29:51.195 --> 29:51.535 [SPEAKER_08]: Gunner. 29:52.356 --> 29:57.239 [SPEAKER_09]: Um yeah, I mean not just Gunner Jackson, Colton, Dillon, Jack. 29:57.259 --> 29:59.881 [SPEAKER_09]: Just name every young player has to. 29:59.901 --> 30:01.242 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah true name every young player. 30:02.263 --> 30:06.146 [SPEAKER_08]: Uh Nathan has to and doesn't this has to count when you don't give him a chance. 30:09.313 --> 30:17.919 [SPEAKER_09]: And so, yeah, and he knowledge it's a problem, he knowledge how they're looking at that and trying to figure out what's going on. 30:17.979 --> 30:26.305 [SPEAKER_09]: But so, at least say, I guess like, at least acknowledge this in a show, but yeah, that's it. 30:26.606 --> 30:30.448 [SPEAKER_09]: Lots of meetings, lots of evaluations happening on the coming one week. 30:30.468 --> 30:31.049 [SPEAKER_09]: It's going to last. 30:35.362 --> 30:39.145 [SPEAKER_09]: They did also mention expanding baseball operations getting more voices in the room. 30:39.525 --> 30:50.174 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and they moved, remember they moved, we had news last month that they moved, sick my doubt, like out of analytics and now to just assist in of something, assist in. 30:50.674 --> 30:51.054 [SPEAKER_08]: T.A.N. 30:51.094 --> 30:51.515 [SPEAKER_08]: or still. 30:51.735 --> 30:53.036 [SPEAKER_08]: I think made up of it. 30:53.056 --> 30:53.636 [SPEAKER_09]: And they fired. 30:53.656 --> 30:54.057 [SPEAKER_08]: And they fired. 30:54.557 --> 30:57.039 [SPEAKER_08]: and they fired matte blood, so they need to request that. 30:57.159 --> 30:59.561 [SPEAKER_09]: He was in charge of overall the player development. 30:59.961 --> 31:05.666 [SPEAKER_09]: They said in terms of player development, they're considering malice, he's considering Jim Palmer for that role, but no finalist. 31:05.726 --> 31:06.246 [SPEAKER_09]: Right. 31:06.326 --> 31:06.526 [SPEAKER_08]: Right. 31:07.147 --> 31:13.432 [SPEAKER_08]: Was it, uh, I found it very interesting after the Red Sox, weren't embarrassed in the playoffs. 31:14.526 --> 31:17.547 [SPEAKER_08]: for the players to speak out about too much analytics. 31:19.028 --> 31:21.389 [SPEAKER_08]: And that team reliant too much on analytics. 31:21.569 --> 31:33.735 [SPEAKER_08]: And I wonder what the defensive struggles I wonder if the Orioles should have went more analytics, but it makes you wonder if maybe we're seeing this backlash of analytics in baseball. 31:33.995 --> 31:38.137 [SPEAKER_08]: If we are overdoing it in Baltimore, the RedSock players spoke out. 31:38.637 --> 31:41.778 [SPEAKER_08]: Our guys are not going to speak out because we had a bad year. 31:44.873 --> 31:50.099 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they did ask about that in the press conference, about the overvaliance of analytics. 31:50.519 --> 31:59.088 [SPEAKER_09]: And my galized game, the right answer is like, you know, it's not, we, it's not 100%, but we also look at other things. 31:59.128 --> 32:00.650 [SPEAKER_09]: We also trust, you know, scouts. 32:00.670 --> 32:02.211 [SPEAKER_09]: We trust this subjective stuff. 32:02.852 --> 32:04.554 [SPEAKER_09]: But we all just want to communicate that. 32:04.794 --> 32:05.395 [SPEAKER_08]: Fire map. 32:06.072 --> 32:06.973 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 32:06.993 --> 32:08.914 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, he's a, Mike is a former scout himself. 32:09.395 --> 32:15.460 [SPEAKER_09]: I think actually, I think Mike Elias, I think that's part of also expanding the baseball operations is to me. 32:15.480 --> 32:20.885 [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe he, I think Mike Elias understands that he can't rely 100% on. 32:20.945 --> 32:23.627 [SPEAKER_09]: And if he didn't understand when he first got here, goodness knows. 32:23.647 --> 32:24.528 [SPEAKER_09]: He's realizing it now. 32:24.688 --> 32:24.848 [SPEAKER_09]: Right. 32:24.888 --> 32:29.272 [SPEAKER_09]: That he can't rely 100% analytics because all the analytics are said that we should be in the playoffs every year. 32:29.772 --> 32:30.233 [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. 32:30.933 --> 32:32.675 [SPEAKER_09]: So certainly he's realized at this point. 32:32.695 --> 32:33.796 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 32:34.417 --> 32:58.270 [SPEAKER_08]: uh... before we get to both predictions you didn't mention cursed dead uh... is it time to just give up on cursed dead they only they only put them in eleven games this year he had a good trip away who had more bats west and wolfson are has to curse that west and well some uh... uh... has to curse that at bats i don't remember what's the most of the bats 32:58.665 --> 33:01.127 [SPEAKER_08]: Kirsten had 11 games, 19 at bats. 33:02.248 --> 33:06.012 [SPEAKER_08]: Weston Wilson, Weston Wilson had, what did I say? 33:06.112 --> 33:08.714 [SPEAKER_08]: 19 games and it was like 43 at bats or something. 33:09.996 --> 33:14.540 [SPEAKER_08]: And he got four hits, two RBIs, who will have a bat in average. 33:16.161 --> 33:20.065 [SPEAKER_08]: But how does you get anyone in any rhythm with 11 games? 33:21.604 --> 33:25.470 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and I don't know, but he played a bunch of game of the monitors this year too. 33:25.530 --> 33:26.211 [SPEAKER_09]: So I did. 33:26.412 --> 33:32.521 [SPEAKER_08]: Miners was in Norfolk, he played 79 games, hit 289, 11 homerons, 44 RPIs. 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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but just like for a guy who's struggle to play, 33:36.532 --> 33:39.053 [SPEAKER_09]: This is, I don't know, is this the most games ever played 90 games? 33:39.113 --> 33:42.233 [SPEAKER_09]: Is this the most he's ever played in in a year? 33:42.313 --> 33:43.134 [SPEAKER_09]: Right, I don't know. 33:43.194 --> 33:43.574 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know. 33:44.114 --> 33:45.294 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, he's not a kid anymore. 33:45.614 --> 33:48.215 [SPEAKER_09]: What is he, is he's going to be, what is going to be like 28? 33:48.295 --> 33:48.775 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 33:49.455 --> 33:50.616 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 33:50.636 --> 33:53.236 [SPEAKER_09]: So coming this year, I'll probably be 28 coming in this season. 33:54.217 --> 33:57.797 [SPEAKER_09]: And, and so I think if I'm like Elias, you don't cut him. 33:57.817 --> 33:59.478 [SPEAKER_09]: You don't, you know, he's not making anything. 34:00.018 --> 34:02.899 [SPEAKER_09]: But I don't think you count on him for anything. 34:02.999 --> 34:06.599 [SPEAKER_09]: I think you look at him as AAA as a dip. 34:07.120 --> 34:08.440 [SPEAKER_09]: And you don't rely on him at all. 34:08.820 --> 34:11.040 [SPEAKER_09]: And then maybe he surprises you and spring training or something. 34:11.060 --> 34:12.481 [SPEAKER_09]: And maybe he earns a spot on the roster. 34:12.821 --> 34:15.281 [SPEAKER_09]: But I don't think you count or rely on him as to not all. 34:15.781 --> 34:17.062 [SPEAKER_08]: At what point do you just cut him? 34:17.702 --> 34:18.342 [SPEAKER_08]: You don't cut him. 34:18.462 --> 34:18.722 [SPEAKER_08]: Why? 34:18.782 --> 34:22.503 [SPEAKER_08]: You don't cut him because I guess you're paying so little in the miners for him. 34:22.963 --> 34:27.664 [SPEAKER_08]: That really you're living off whatever sign and bonus he got me in number two overall. 34:28.389 --> 34:34.115 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and hopefully he's saving all his per DM for his sins and the majors. 34:34.516 --> 34:37.859 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, he got a $5.2 million sign in bonus. 34:38.099 --> 34:39.040 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so he's doing okay. 34:39.401 --> 34:40.642 [SPEAKER_08]: So I think he's doing all right. 34:41.423 --> 34:50.733 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think as long as he can handle the train travel or bus travel, whatever it is, he will be okay. 34:51.680 --> 34:52.641 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 34:52.721 --> 34:54.482 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, so I don't stand in reason to cut him. 34:55.002 --> 35:03.166 [SPEAKER_09]: You just, I mean, if another team is interested in things they can write as a Rex's career and you can package him in part of a trade, I think I'm like Elias would be willing to do that. 35:03.367 --> 35:05.988 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think you were holding on to him purposely. 35:06.008 --> 35:07.829 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think we're planning around him. 35:08.750 --> 35:13.252 [SPEAKER_09]: I think he's just becomes another Western Wilson, another another depth piece. 35:13.372 --> 35:14.193 [SPEAKER_08]: Another depth piece. 35:14.573 --> 35:14.833 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 35:17.195 --> 35:25.861 [SPEAKER_09]: All right, the other stuff that came out is they asked about some injuries, Jordan Westburg is recovering. 35:26.021 --> 35:26.842 [SPEAKER_09]: We mentioned before. 35:27.262 --> 35:27.462 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. 35:27.482 --> 35:35.227 [SPEAKER_09]: Got her said he was dealing with and he, this, this came up because he mentioned this at the end of the season, dealing with a wrist injury for like half the season. 35:35.688 --> 35:37.589 [SPEAKER_08]: I hate bringing this up at the end of the season. 35:37.609 --> 35:38.990 [SPEAKER_08]: It feels very excusey. 35:39.810 --> 35:45.434 [SPEAKER_08]: It feels very much like, all I had a wrist injury, like, well, why didn't we hear about it 35:48.309 --> 35:54.313 [SPEAKER_09]: because it wasn't bad enough to require surgery, even now in the offseason, doesn't require surgery. 35:54.793 --> 36:05.139 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I'm assuming some sort of like, spring rest that happens sometimes, and then it takes long time to heal, especially if you're using all the time, and risk does seem like it's a pretty important to hidden the ball. 36:05.740 --> 36:12.104 [SPEAKER_09]: Now, a couple things, though, it can happen the second half of the season, not the first half, so it's the first half of the season. 36:12.144 --> 36:13.725 [SPEAKER_08]: Second half, that's when we hit the ball better. 36:14.381 --> 36:14.621 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 36:14.801 --> 36:23.266 [SPEAKER_09]: Also, it does feel like it's used in a sense that I bet if you really talk to every single player, they could identify something wrong with their body, right? 36:23.306 --> 36:26.808 [SPEAKER_09]: Like everyone's got something going on by the other season. 36:27.128 --> 36:34.753 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he did say, now he did say that because of the Wiss injury, he switched from a normal not bad to an axe bat. 36:35.211 --> 36:36.653 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they mentioned on the press conference. 36:36.673 --> 36:37.454 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he mentioned that. 36:38.636 --> 36:45.486 [SPEAKER_08]: So maybe he needs to come in the next season using the axe back because he'd started to hit the ball better, even with the wrist injury. 36:46.028 --> 36:46.288 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 36:46.688 --> 36:57.770 [SPEAKER_09]: So, it does, yeah, I don't think it explains everything, but certainly like we know if players, I mean, risk is important to hitting, and that could also cause you to over-convestate in other areas. 36:58.411 --> 36:58.631 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 36:58.691 --> 37:09.673 [SPEAKER_09]: So, I guess if that's what, you know, oil fans want to hear to help them sleep at night to think this is the reason, but this is now back to back under performing seasons for Garner. 37:11.174 --> 37:23.541 [SPEAKER_09]: So, I don't know, I'm really, I mean, so much of our success, Josh, you need, I mean, just watch the playoffs, you need some superstars in some

positions, you can't have good players everywhere. 37:24.241 --> 37:24.621 [SPEAKER_09]: No. 37:24.721 --> 37:32.166 [SPEAKER_09]: And Gunners, even this year, almost every team in the majors would love to have Gunner on their team, even having this year. 37:32.746 --> 37:32.986 [SPEAKER_08]: Right. 37:33.963 --> 37:39.407 [SPEAKER_09]: With that said, though, like we won't gunner to be superstar and we kind of need him to be a superstar for us. 37:39.427 --> 37:45.952 [SPEAKER_08]: We, we have guys that have the potential to be that superstar to lead us to. 37:46.233 --> 37:46.433 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 37:46.453 --> 37:50.776 [SPEAKER_08]: We, Pete Alonso struggled in the, again, early part of the year. 37:51.177 --> 37:53.558 [SPEAKER_08]: But then we saw him become that guy who could count on us. 37:53.598 --> 37:54.719 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, he's a superstar. 37:54.839 --> 37:55.780 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 37:55.940 --> 37:58.602 [SPEAKER_08]: Gunner Henderson has that potential to be a superstar. 37:59.103 --> 37:59.303 [SPEAKER_09]: Yep. 37:59.643 --> 38:01.144 [SPEAKER_08]: We saw glimpses of it. 38:03.007 --> 38:06.869 [SPEAKER_08]: Tamio Bassalo, how's the opportunity to be that superstar? 38:07.589 --> 38:09.450 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 38:09.990 --> 38:17.614 [SPEAKER_08]: Jackson Holiday has either pedigree and the bad, I mean, yeah, I, I, here's what I'd like to see from Jackson Holiday. 38:17.674 --> 38:20.355 [SPEAKER_08]: I'd like to see him become a double machine. 38:21.953 --> 38:25.154 [SPEAKER_08]: We've got the big outfield in Caminoch. 38:25.414 --> 38:28.075 [SPEAKER_08]: I'd like to see him take advantage of that. 38:28.715 --> 38:28.935 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 38:29.555 --> 38:30.636 [SPEAKER_08]: Not swing for the fans. 38:30.656 --> 38:31.576 [SPEAKER_08]: He's a smaller guy. 38:32.496 --> 38:35.477 [SPEAKER_08]: I'd like to see him get on base as much as possible. 38:36.517 --> 38:36.717 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 38:37.598 --> 38:44.640 [SPEAKER_08]: I think even Jordan Westburg, if he can stay healthy, we've seen enough that he's got the potential to change his team and lead this team. 38:45.220 --> 38:46.020 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 38:46.040 --> 38:49.401 [SPEAKER_09]: Would you put after what you've seen in Kobe Mayo and how he just destroyed Lieutenant pitching? 38:49.421 --> 38:51.382 [SPEAKER_09]: Would you put Kobe Mayo in this category as well? 38:53.316 --> 39:19.739 [SPEAKER_08]: Is that real, if that can continue, maybe the problem is, yeah, the problem is Kobe is looking at a 2027 season where he's going to be primarily de-H. And if he can figure out right handed head in, or about right handed pitch in, like he's hand on left handed pitch in, he could be a dominant de-H. 39:20.755 --> 39:23.718 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's hard to say you're super star if you only hit against lefties. 39:24.078 --> 39:25.560 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you got to figure out both sides. 39:26.040 --> 39:26.280 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 39:27.501 --> 39:33.747 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, the other injury that came up is they're talking about British, uh, Cobb Rattish, who had a sports hernia. 39:34.893 --> 39:39.235 [SPEAKER_09]: And they said, it affected his really started last three starts. 39:39.815 --> 39:41.436 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, his last start was a trotchus. 39:42.136 --> 39:48.879 [SPEAKER_09]: He actually would have had a year, a under four outside of his last start, we gave him like eight runs, three and things, and he was put early for that. 39:49.459 --> 39:51.860 [SPEAKER_09]: And he immediately went into and had surgery for his sports or near. 39:51.880 --> 39:59.183 [SPEAKER_09]: So I feel we can, I feel that's, that's one was not excusey, that's like legit injury that impact his last start. 39:59.443 --> 40:00.363 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's a couple of starts. 40:01.463 --> 40:02.544 [SPEAKER_08]: So I want to come back. 40:03.476 --> 40:14.198 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and I want to talk about some of this pitch in When when we get to the bold predictions because I don't agree with that for all for about our predicts about pitch and I think that's one spot. 40:14.218 --> 40:15.758 [SPEAKER_08]: We did okay all right. 40:15.798 --> 40:16.518 [SPEAKER_09]: We're 38 minutes in. 40:16.578 --> 40:17.679 [SPEAKER_09]: Let's get to board predictions down. 40:18.259 --> 40:18.519 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 40:18.779 --> 40:19.659 [SPEAKER_08]: Do I still have the button? 40:19.679 --> 40:20.079 [SPEAKER_08]: Let me see. 40:20.099 --> 40:27.541 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't see it I don't think I had bold predictions anymore. 40:28.481 --> 40:28.901 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh my. 40:29.081 --> 40:29.741 [SPEAKER_09]: What happened to it? 40:32.673 --> 40:57.367 [SPEAKER_08]: oh hold on what is this button it doesn't work doesn't work that's sad I just thought you had a big red button I said bold predictions on your dad and I mean we used to use hundreds of sound effects we don't anymore so that would be when it made sense to have bold predictions one of them I'm not calling you the button lever anymore what if I just insert it after we record it and it's right 41:01.374 --> 41:02.435 [SPEAKER_09]: All right, that's you heard it. 41:02.475 --> 41:03.516 [SPEAKER_09]: You heard the boat predictions. 41:04.177 --> 41:09.683 [SPEAKER_09]: Josh, let's start with wind totals where we were both wrong, but you were more wrong than I was. 41:10.203 --> 41:12.706 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think that's right, but we will get to it and find out. 41:12.846 --> 41:18.111 [SPEAKER_08]: All right, you think you had more right. 41:18.932 --> 41:22.536 [SPEAKER_08]: Let's see who had more right, who had more wrong. 41:23.753 --> 41:24.133 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know. 41:24.473 --> 41:26.914 [SPEAKER_09]: It's just a matter of who had more wrong. 41:27.414 --> 41:27.674 [SPEAKER_09]: All right. 41:27.734 --> 41:28.294 [SPEAKER_09]: That's wrong. 41:28.875 --> 41:29.115 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 41:29.895 --> 41:32.176 [SPEAKER_08]: The Orioles

finished reaffirms in the AL East. 41:32.396 --> 41:33.296 [SPEAKER_08]: We both had that. 41:33.956 --> 41:35.497 [SPEAKER_08]: But I had 97 wins. 41:36.457 --> 41:37.778 [SPEAKER_08]: You had 95 wins. 41:38.158 --> 41:39.058 [SPEAKER_09]: That's a win for me. 41:39.638 --> 41:40.758 [SPEAKER_08]: No, no. 41:41.219 --> 41:42.319 [SPEAKER_08]: We both have a way over. 41:42.339 --> 41:44.400 [SPEAKER_08]: That is that is you two losses. 41:46.180 --> 41:46.440 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 41:47.521 --> 41:48.381 [SPEAKER_08]: AL East finish. 41:50.227 --> 41:52.968 [SPEAKER_08]: You had Yankees, blue jays, red socks, rays, or else, of course, at the top. 41:52.988 --> 41:54.089 [SPEAKER_08]: I had Yankees, red socks, rays, blue jays. 41:54.109 --> 41:55.389 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, both wrong. 41:55.429 --> 41:56.090 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, both wrong. 41:56.110 --> 42:07.015 [SPEAKER_08]: We underestimated the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, 42:07.853 --> 42:36.728 [SPEAKER_08]: and but we but we had we knew that the at least was going to be good and it turned out we were correct on that the at least was good right yet all those teams being being good teams we did the Orioles will make the playoffs both wrong right the Orioles will win the world series both wrong but you said beaten the Philadelphia Phillies I said beaten the Dodgers so that means my way because the Phillies are out all right but the Dodgers could be out in a week so 42:37.730 --> 42:38.050 [SPEAKER_08]: correct. 42:39.111 --> 42:39.391 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 42:40.091 --> 42:41.973 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, all right. 42:42.013 --> 42:42.773 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, let's see. 42:43.474 --> 42:45.135 [SPEAKER_08]: Now, let's give us another one of mine. 42:45.595 --> 42:49.857 [SPEAKER_08]: Tyler Neil does not Homer on open and day and it is open and day streak. 42:49.958 --> 42:50.678 [SPEAKER_09]: I got one right. 42:50.698 --> 42:51.839 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, you got that one right. 42:51.899 --> 42:52.479 [SPEAKER_09]: Ding ding ding. 42:52.779 --> 42:54.560 [SPEAKER_08]: Give me a green mark for that. 42:55.221 --> 42:55.481 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 42:57.622 --> 42:57.942 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 42:58.783 --> 43:05.727 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, Gunner Henderson and Peter Lanzo both Homer on open and day did not happen. 43:06.348 --> 43:06.928 [SPEAKER_08]: I'm wrong there. 43:09.277 --> 43:09.918 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, let's see. 43:09.938 --> 43:12.620 [SPEAKER_08]: All right, let's talk Oriol's pitch in. 43:13.380 --> 43:16.522 [SPEAKER_08]: I said Oriol's have the best start and rotation in the American League. 43:18.044 --> 43:22.367 [SPEAKER_08]: That wasn't true, but our rotation was pretty good. 43:24.808 --> 43:25.529 [SPEAKER_09]: Just as we rank. 43:26.309 --> 43:29.972 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, where we rank in terms of starting pitching. 43:30.352 --> 43:32.114 [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to pitch and just starting pitching. 43:32.434 --> 43:33.194 [SPEAKER_08]: It's not an pitching. 43:33.855 --> 43:36.677 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, where do we, where do we, we, we, we ranked. 43:38.628 --> 43:38.888 [SPEAKER_08]: 12. 43:39.929 --> 43:40.689 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. 43:40.749 --> 43:47.611 [SPEAKER_09]: 17th in the AL in the AL least, you know, we're ranked in the AL least. 43:49.112 --> 43:49.412 [SPEAKER_08]: Third. 43:50.212 --> 43:50.592 [SPEAKER_09]: Last. 43:51.412 --> 43:51.732 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. 43:52.253 --> 43:53.173 [SPEAKER_09]: Last in the AL least. 43:53.933 --> 43:55.574 [SPEAKER_09]: So, ERF of starting area. 43:55.614 --> 43:56.734 [SPEAKER_09]: Hold on, hold on, two, four. 43:57.114 --> 43:58.715 [SPEAKER_08]: But where did we rank in the American League? 44:01.295 --> 44:02.656 [SPEAKER_09]: But okay, 10th. 44:03.096 --> 44:04.216 [SPEAKER_09]: Do you feel better about that? 44:04.376 --> 44:04.516 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. 44:04.536 --> 44:05.457 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I feel better about that. 44:05.517 --> 44:05.917 [SPEAKER_08]: There we go. 44:06.841 --> 44:09.282 [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, 10 out of 15 teams, you feel good about that? 44:09.662 --> 44:12.443 [SPEAKER_09]: You feel like that, you think that's a little bit of a win? 44:12.463 --> 44:15.044 [SPEAKER_09]: 10 out of 15 teams last the at least? 44:15.485 --> 44:16.805 [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, I don't. 44:18.566 --> 44:25.429 [SPEAKER_08]: All right, but T, I said first, but Matt, you said the Orioles starting rotation will be top five, yeah. 44:25.469 --> 44:26.249 [SPEAKER_08]: Majorly baseball. 44:26.269 --> 44:29.370 [SPEAKER_09]: You know the last time we were top five in pitching? 44:30.170 --> 44:31.071 [SPEAKER_08]: Then 96? 44:31.091 --> 44:33.972 [SPEAKER_09]: No, that's what we before, 2024. 44:34.532 --> 44:35.413 [SPEAKER_09]: Last time we made the playoffs. 44:37.653 --> 44:41.536 [SPEAKER_09]: So this year, we weren't even, yeah, we weren't even close seven. 44:41.556 --> 44:41.876 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 44:43.017 --> 44:49.461 [SPEAKER_08]: I have Trevor Rogers, Cobb Rattish, and Shane Bass, all finished with ERA's under three. 44:51.043 --> 44:58.148 [SPEAKER_08]: Now, Trevor Rogers ended 407, Shane Bass, 411, and Cobb Rattish, 412. 44:58.928 --> 45:00.109 [SPEAKER_08]: So that's not under three. 45:00.129 --> 45:00.830 [SPEAKER_09]: Wrong, wrong. 45:01.190 --> 45:02.231 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's not even under four. 45:02.251 --> 45:03.251 [SPEAKER_09]: But here's my argument. 45:08.191 --> 45:09.131 [SPEAKER_08]: the defense killed him. 45:10.072 --> 45:17.495 [SPEAKER_08]: If we had decent defense, if we were not lost in the baseball with defense, we would have had much better ERAs. 45:17.815 --> 45:26.619 [SPEAKER_08]: So my point is

even with the horrible defense, this pitch and staff put up before ERA, which I think is not horrible. 45:27.306 --> 45:27.986 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh my gosh. 45:28.006 --> 45:29.667 [SPEAKER_09]: Talk about putting lipstick on a pig. 45:29.827 --> 45:36.490 [SPEAKER_09]: She's, and Josh, chain baths and Cobb Rattish combined for a record of 13 and 27. 45:36.690 --> 45:37.330 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry, 1329. 45:37.530 --> 45:38.010 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 45:39.051 --> 45:39.871 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm so terrible. 45:40.091 --> 45:41.772 [SPEAKER_08]: How'd that run support go for baths? 45:42.772 --> 45:44.673 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and the defense wasn't great either. 45:45.113 --> 45:52.236 [SPEAKER_09]: But I mean, Cobb Rattish, he was the one guy at that list who would have had a hearing under four if it wasn't for his last start where he was hurt pitching. 45:52.776 --> 45:54.397 [SPEAKER_09]: So you give him a little bit of the foot like, 45:55.444 --> 45:57.885 [SPEAKER_09]: It wasn't bad, bad as Rogers Brattish. 45:58.406 --> 45:59.326 [SPEAKER_09]: They weren't bad. 45:59.646 --> 46:05.990 [SPEAKER_09]: They all very said, as you mentioned, very similar EERs on the low force, which is a little bit of a- All the time. 46:06.050 --> 46:06.470 [SPEAKER_08]: All the time. 46:06.730 --> 46:07.731 [SPEAKER_09]: The team average, yeah. 46:08.351 --> 46:09.972 [SPEAKER_09]: But none of them were great. 46:10.252 --> 46:17.056 [SPEAKER_09]: And I thought both Rogers and Brattish and you would throw bads in there had the potential to be great, right? 46:17.096 --> 46:18.437 [SPEAKER_09]: None of them this year were great. 46:18.577 --> 46:20.858 [SPEAKER_09]: They had, they had to be great, where they were great. 46:21.218 --> 46:21.478 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. 46:21.519 --> 46:24.040 [SPEAKER_09]: But they weren't consistently great throughout the whole season. 46:25.920 --> 46:35.187 [SPEAKER_09]: And so if we want to roll this rotation back next year, which you and I think are both a favor of, one or more of these people, these pictures have to step up and be great. 46:36.168 --> 46:39.631 [SPEAKER_09]: We can't go again with them all through them having an area over four. 46:40.992 --> 46:41.733 [SPEAKER_09]: They need to get better. 46:42.513 --> 46:42.794 [SPEAKER_08]: Right. 46:43.494 --> 46:48.138 [SPEAKER_09]: And yes, the defense can get better and all that stuff is true, but they need to get better as well. 46:51.655 --> 46:52.055 [SPEAKER_08]: I agree. 46:52.696 --> 46:52.936 [SPEAKER_09]: All right. 46:52.956 --> 47:04.082 [SPEAKER_09]: So stop, stop trying this thing where I'm just trying to make my, I'm, if you give me the card fines of coming yards, given the park factor and all this. 47:04.102 --> 47:10.186 [SPEAKER_08]: No, I'm trying to make my, I'm trying to make my ball predictions a little bit better than your bad ball predictions. 47:10.606 --> 47:10.786 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 47:10.806 --> 47:11.787 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, we're both bad. 47:12.027 --> 47:12.267 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 47:12.307 --> 47:16.550 [SPEAKER_08]: Matt, you said that Gunner Henderson will finish top two in MVP vote in. 47:17.590 --> 47:19.071 [SPEAKER_08]: And I said that Gunner Henderson would 47:23.186 --> 47:23.987 [SPEAKER_08]: Cross those out. 47:24.507 --> 47:26.448 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. 47:26.628 --> 47:28.509 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think it's taking place yet, right? 47:28.529 --> 47:29.590 [SPEAKER_09]: That's MVP voting. 47:30.271 --> 47:31.932 [SPEAKER_09]: Taking place yet. 47:32.092 --> 47:32.712 [SPEAKER_09]: Do we know this? 47:32.912 --> 47:33.873 [SPEAKER_09]: So it has not. 47:34.453 --> 47:34.833 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 47:34.913 --> 47:35.534 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 47:35.574 --> 47:37.115 [SPEAKER_08]: I'll put a question mark next to that one. 47:37.135 --> 47:37.335 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. 47:37.495 --> 47:38.656 [SPEAKER_09]: It's still a question mark. 47:38.736 --> 47:44.599 [SPEAKER_09]: Well, Matt, we both does, does Peter Lanzo get it in consideration for MVP votes? 47:46.040 --> 47:47.121 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think so. 47:47.141 --> 47:47.561 [SPEAKER_08]: I think if the 47:51.925 --> 47:56.506 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, we both said that Sammy of a cello will win a al rookie of the year. 47:57.746 --> 48:02.808 [SPEAKER_08]: And you went to a step that he will unanimously win a whole rookie of the year. 48:04.228 --> 48:04.888 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, how's that? 48:04.928 --> 48:06.089 [SPEAKER_09]: How's that looking? 48:06.109 --> 48:06.889 [SPEAKER_08]: That's not going to. 48:06.909 --> 48:08.169 [SPEAKER_08]: I know they haven't announced it yet. 48:08.809 --> 48:09.069 [SPEAKER_09]: Yep. 48:09.309 --> 48:10.010 [SPEAKER_09]: Just possible. 48:10.410 --> 48:10.830 [SPEAKER_08]: That that. 48:10.970 --> 48:14.111 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, that Kevin got to go for Detroit's going to win it. 48:14.191 --> 48:17.531 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 48:17.631 --> 48:19.172 [SPEAKER_08]: You said that Sammy of a cello. 48:20.053 --> 48:24.436 [SPEAKER_08]: will tie the Orioles rookie home run record with 33 home runs. 48:26.057 --> 48:26.817 [SPEAKER_08]: He had 18. 48:28.158 --> 48:29.238 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 48:29.298 --> 48:29.919 [SPEAKER_09]: 18 is not bad. 48:31.119 --> 48:32.020 [SPEAKER_09]: It's not 33. 48:33.041 --> 48:33.281 [SPEAKER_08]: No. 48:34.281 --> 48:35.422 [SPEAKER_08]: You blame Adley Watchman. 48:35.722 --> 48:39.084 [SPEAKER_08]: If we would have traded Adley earlier, he would have gotten more at bats and gotten 33. 48:40.225 --> 48:40.465 [SPEAKER_09]: Sure. 48:40.505 --> 48:43.347 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, he only had what 360 at bats. 48:44.007 --> 48:47.329 [SPEAKER_09]: So if he could have had, let's say, 48:48.744 --> 48:49.604 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's still not getting there. 48:49.624 --> 48:52.045 [SPEAKER_09]: Let's say 500 bats and they're still not getting there. 48:52.605 --> 48:54.906 [SPEAKER_09]: But he might have been in the mid 20s because some more bats.

48:57.147 --> 48:57.467 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 48:57.647 --> 49:01.189 [SPEAKER_09]: I have the Orioles will have four all stars. 49:01.489 --> 49:05.170 [SPEAKER_08]: Gunner Henderson, Trevor Rogers, Peter Lanzo, and Adley Ruchman. 49:06.130 --> 49:07.651 [SPEAKER_09]: Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. 49:08.530 --> 49:09.870 [SPEAKER_09]: One, I got one, right? 49:10.630 --> 49:11.070 [SPEAKER_09]: I had one. 49:11.090 --> 49:11.551 [SPEAKER_08]: He was there. 49:12.531 --> 49:12.771 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 49:13.511 --> 49:16.571 [SPEAKER_08]: You said the Orioles will win more games than they did in 2025. 49:17.051 --> 49:20.492 [SPEAKER_09]: Is it crazy that Peter Lanzo did, didn't he make the All Star game? 49:20.852 --> 49:23.473 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he had a tough, yeah, it's up for the first half. 49:23.953 --> 49:25.393 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, really, first month. 49:25.893 --> 49:27.113 [SPEAKER_09]: And they do the All Star, but I'm so early. 49:27.613 --> 49:27.833 [SPEAKER_08]: Right. 49:28.253 --> 49:31.594 [SPEAKER_08]: And come on, All Star, but I'm in band-based. 49:32.834 --> 49:33.714 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. 49:33.774 --> 49:34.894 [SPEAKER_09]: Peter Lanzo is a popular guy. 49:39.105 --> 49:42.986 [SPEAKER_08]: Matt, did the Orioles win more games in 2025 than they did in 2024? 49:43.046 --> 49:46.968 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, you asked me about history of records here. 49:47.888 --> 49:48.748 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they did, didn't they? 49:49.429 --> 49:50.169 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think they did. 49:50.349 --> 49:51.209 [SPEAKER_08]: So that's when you got. 49:51.970 --> 49:54.010 [SPEAKER_08]: All right, you got one right right there. 49:54.610 --> 49:57.131 [SPEAKER_08]: I think you expected it to be a lot more, but you got it. 49:59.892 --> 50:06.295 [SPEAKER_08]: All right, Orioles and I wrote down Orioles attendance declines from 2025. 50:08.218 --> 50:10.460 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah, by the way, last year was 75 wins. 50:10.560 --> 50:11.581 [SPEAKER_09]: This year's 79 wins. 50:11.921 --> 50:13.602 [SPEAKER_09]: So a big improvement work. 50:13.943 --> 50:15.904 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, would you call this lift off? 50:16.344 --> 50:16.905 [SPEAKER_09]: Is that the right work? 50:16.925 --> 50:18.006 [SPEAKER_09]: That's the right work. 50:18.126 --> 50:19.727 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's this lift off. 50:19.747 --> 50:21.569 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, my gosh, all right. 50:22.089 --> 50:24.931 [SPEAKER_08]: Matt, you said, and I like this both predictions, yours. 50:25.652 --> 50:28.474 [SPEAKER_08]: Band generally love camping yards improvements. 50:28.874 --> 50:29.275 [SPEAKER_09]: Boom. 50:29.595 --> 50:30.496 [SPEAKER_09]: I think I nailed that. 50:30.596 --> 50:31.657 [SPEAKER_09]: I actually thought that. 50:31.937 --> 50:32.197 [SPEAKER_09]: Great. 50:32.217 --> 50:33.098 [SPEAKER_09]: You've had that one. 50:33.358 --> 50:33.938 [SPEAKER_09]: The sound. 50:33.958 --> 50:34.259 [SPEAKER_09]: The sound. 50:34.779 --> 50:35.620 [SPEAKER_08]: Screen looks good. 50:35.780 --> 50:36.781 [SPEAKER_08]: Sound system looks good. 50:39.340 --> 50:46.423 [SPEAKER_08]: And then you made a prediction that despite the improvements, a 10 and still won't be good enough, and people will still complain about it. 50:46.944 --> 50:47.704 [SPEAKER_08]: That's true, too. 50:48.344 --> 50:49.105 [SPEAKER_08]: You got that one. 50:49.325 --> 50:52.286 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know how much of a prediction that is, but you did get that right. 50:54.067 --> 50:57.168 [SPEAKER_09]: I said, or predictions need to be more vague like this than subjective. 50:57.548 --> 50:58.889 [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly, it does much better. 50:59.729 --> 51:03.251 [SPEAKER_08]: I said the Oreos will have seven players hit 20 plus home runs. 51:05.790 --> 51:08.111 [SPEAKER_08]: We had three players hit more than 20. 51:09.132 --> 51:11.393 [SPEAKER_08]: Can you name the three players that hit more than 20? 51:13.194 --> 51:13.975 [SPEAKER_08]: I'll give you a plan. 51:14.035 --> 51:16.336 [SPEAKER_08]: They are all my list of seven players. 51:18.118 --> 51:18.878 [SPEAKER_09]: Peter Lanto. 51:19.618 --> 51:19.879 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. 51:20.939 --> 51:21.700 [SPEAKER_09]: Gunner Henderson. 51:23.061 --> 51:23.281 [SPEAKER_08]: Yep. 51:24.662 --> 51:25.662 [SPEAKER_09]: Did Kobe Mayo hit 20? 51:26.003 --> 51:26.743 [SPEAKER_08]: And Kobe Mayo. 51:27.263 --> 51:27.463 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 51:27.904 --> 51:28.104 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. 51:28.904 --> 51:29.845 [SPEAKER_09]: The salad was almost there. 51:30.500 --> 51:30.720 [SPEAKER_08]: Right. 51:32.281 --> 51:39.306 [SPEAKER_08]: I also said Adley Jackson, Bassalo and Colton Couser to be fair Adley would have if he didn't get traded. 51:40.867 --> 51:41.127 [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe. 51:41.227 --> 51:41.648 [SPEAKER_08]: What do you have? 51:42.328 --> 51:44.289 [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe he really struggled in Boston. 51:45.150 --> 51:46.651 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, he didn't get many in Boston. 51:46.671 --> 51:48.012 [SPEAKER_09]: So I don't think he would have gotten a 20. 51:48.392 --> 51:51.214 [SPEAKER_09]: If you look at Boston or just combine, he didn't get a 20 did he? 51:51.234 --> 51:52.515 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think he did. 51:54.897 --> 51:55.977 [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, no, I guess not. 51:56.017 --> 51:56.378 [SPEAKER_08]: Let's see. 51:56.498 --> 51:56.858 [SPEAKER_08]: Adley. 51:57.845 --> 51:59.886 [SPEAKER_08]: Which men, no ones, maybe not. 52:00.106 --> 52:02.667 [SPEAKER_08]: Colton Calcer had 13 Basalo had 18. 52:03.147 --> 52:06.589 [SPEAKER_09]: You know, who's also surprised, and it wasn't even close that list is Taylor Ward. 52:07.289 --> 52:11.171 [SPEAKER_09]: You actually thought after having 40 with the angels, he would've got an easy gun. 52:11.271 --> 52:12.071 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's true. 52:12.292 --> 52:13.692 [SPEAKER_09]: Taylor Ward's power was just gone. 52:14.733 --> 52:17.294 [SPEAKER_08]: Adley hit 13 homeruns. 52:17.954

--> 52:19.255 [SPEAKER_08]: How many of those were with the Oreos? 52:21.736 --> 52:21.916 [SPEAKER_08]: 10. 52:23.316 --> 52:23.496 [SPEAKER_08]: eight. 52:23.936 --> 52:25.197 [SPEAKER_08]: He didn't get five with the reds. 52:25.257 --> 52:25.617 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. 52:26.278 --> 52:29.700 [SPEAKER_08]: Which is interesting because his experience with the red sauce was so bad. 52:30.680 --> 52:33.742 [SPEAKER_08]: This, but he's still got to balance and get five home runs in there. 52:34.703 --> 52:34.943 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 52:35.743 --> 52:43.348 [SPEAKER_09]: So among that list of people who didn't get 20 Josh, but saw the cow's or O'Neill, he ever had an holiday. 52:43.768 --> 52:44.789 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 52:44.869 --> 52:51.153 [SPEAKER_09]: Who is the most disappointing and who do you like you are that less is like, yeah, the most disappointed for not getting 20. 52:52.186 --> 52:58.429 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I think Jackson Howard, I think I really believed the hype that Jackson Howard would take that next step. 53:00.150 --> 53:07.654 [SPEAKER_08]: And I think that's why early in the episode in this earlier today, I was saying he needs to work on doubles because he only hit seven home runs. 53:08.015 --> 53:12.037 [SPEAKER_08]: He played, he hit 17 home runs in 2025. 53:12.097 --> 53:18.420 [SPEAKER_08]: So I thought he would take that next step and be like a 2530 home run guy and he only got seven this year. 53:18.760 --> 53:20.041 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, even the doubles this year. 53:20.701 --> 53:21.482 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's all down. 53:22.240 --> 53:26.081 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so that's that's my biggest disappointment there. 53:27.082 --> 53:29.563 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that'll be a loss for me. 53:30.023 --> 53:33.564 [SPEAKER_08]: You said that Tyler Wells will lead the Orioles and saves. 53:35.865 --> 53:39.486 [SPEAKER_08]: That's a real, he's doing decent in Tampa though. 53:40.235 --> 53:40.475 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 53:41.135 --> 53:50.997 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, he was he got he got a few saves for the Orders though, if if he was never traded, I think I think I would I think I might have been right on this one, right? 53:51.397 --> 53:54.018 [SPEAKER_09]: Because Hellsley wasn't there at all the second half of the season. 53:54.478 --> 53:55.618 [SPEAKER_09]: Kittred was our closer. 53:55.938 --> 53:59.519 [SPEAKER_09]: I think Wells could have been our closer if Kittred wasn't here. 53:59.779 --> 54:05.601 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, if if if if if if if if if if if if if I here without Leslie, so I think he might have worked out if it wasn't traded. 54:06.241 --> 54:07.021 [SPEAKER_09]: The problem is 54:09.007 --> 54:10.308 [SPEAKER_08]: he would give up the long ball. 54:11.648 --> 54:14.130 [SPEAKER_08]: How many save opportunities do you think Tyler Wells had? 54:15.370 --> 54:15.990 [SPEAKER_08]: In Baltimore. 54:16.891 --> 54:17.491 [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe five. 54:18.352 --> 54:18.872 [SPEAKER_08]: He had four. 54:19.132 --> 54:20.873 [SPEAKER_08]: How many saves do you think he actually got? 54:22.133 --> 54:23.214 [SPEAKER_08]: I would say four. 54:24.054 --> 54:24.294 [SPEAKER_08]: Four. 54:24.715 --> 54:25.715 [SPEAKER_08]: He won't five for four. 54:25.955 --> 54:26.195 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 54:26.215 --> 54:26.696 [SPEAKER_08]: For saves. 54:26.956 --> 54:31.658 [SPEAKER_08]: So yes, if then leaned on him, he has four saves for the Orioles. 54:31.718 --> 54:33.259 [SPEAKER_08]: He's gotten two saves for the race. 54:34.448 --> 54:36.329 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, he had one of the best the Arizona bullpen. 54:36.349 --> 54:37.830 [SPEAKER_09]: He was one of our best bullpen arms. 54:37.990 --> 54:38.771 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he was 267. 54:38.851 --> 54:41.652 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, is that top in the bullpen? 54:41.912 --> 54:42.312 [SPEAKER_09]: Who would I? 54:42.332 --> 54:42.593 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't. 54:43.173 --> 54:45.234 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't have the bullpen stats. 54:46.074 --> 54:47.975 [SPEAKER_09]: All right. 54:47.995 --> 54:50.577 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, I Thropped this up. 54:50.717 --> 54:53.818 [SPEAKER_08]: I had Tyler O'Neill gets injured within roughly three weeks. 54:55.119 --> 54:56.120 [SPEAKER_08]: That did not happen. 54:56.280 --> 54:57.981 [SPEAKER_08]: It took him a lot longer than I expected. 54:59.321 --> 55:01.983 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, he played most of season. 55:02.622 --> 55:09.069 [SPEAKER_08]: I have the Orioles win open in day eight zero no because I didn't realize our offense sucks. 55:09.149 --> 55:11.932 [SPEAKER_08]: We did win, but it was a two to one win. 55:12.393 --> 55:14.135 [SPEAKER_09]: We still, we always win open in day. 55:14.841 --> 55:15.341 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we do. 55:15.781 --> 55:18.263 [SPEAKER_08]: But Matt, all right, here's our final bullet prediction mat. 55:19.083 --> 55:23.805 [SPEAKER_08]: And what's fun is there are four bullet predictions about one player. 55:24.606 --> 55:27.888 [SPEAKER_08]: You tell me that this player, I know, will debut in July. 55:28.148 --> 55:33.250 [SPEAKER_08]: This player will lead the Orioles in stolen bases despite not arriving until July. 55:33.670 --> 55:36.792 [SPEAKER_08]: This player will make the postseason roster. 55:37.792 --> 55:42.555 [SPEAKER_08]: This player will become an important late season, pinch running a weapon. 55:43.498 --> 55:45.479 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that sounds wonderful, Matt. 55:46.240 --> 55:47.201 [SPEAKER_09]: And he wrote a lot of the team. 55:48.402 --> 55:52.945 [SPEAKER_09]: He would have let the team in steals too, because our leading guy had like, what, five steals? 55:53.045 --> 55:56.327 [SPEAKER_09]: Five so much, like, we didn't have any steals in this team, so he would have. 55:56.728 --> 55:58.609 [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, my boy and Ricky Bradford Jr. 55:59.690 --> 56:00.650 [SPEAKER_09]: I'm disappointed. 56:00.670 --> 56:01.731 [SPEAKER_09]: We didn't get to see him this year. 56:02.111 --> 56:07.776 [SPEAKER_09]: He is, you

know, watching who's this guy, like Chandler Simpson or something, wherever this guy is for, 56:08.771 --> 56:16.535 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, the rays who just like slaps the ball over to second base and spat 300 with your home runs like that. 56:16.575 --> 56:19.176 [SPEAKER_09]: That should be in a recap of doing your playing a lead out field. 56:20.037 --> 56:24.299 [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, we, we just need to give this kid a height, a spot on this roster. 56:25.459 --> 56:25.840 [SPEAKER_08]: Agreed. 56:26.240 --> 56:30.162 [SPEAKER_08]: As far as stolen bases to various lead the Orioles and stolen bases with 11. 56:31.716 --> 56:37.661 [SPEAKER_08]: Then we have Gunner with a lot of Gunner Colton in place or had ten in Jackson had eight. 56:38.221 --> 56:39.923 [SPEAKER_08]: So yes, and we came back proud of you. 56:39.963 --> 56:41.424 [SPEAKER_08]: Could it easily ran this? 56:44.166 --> 56:48.790 [SPEAKER_08]: I think watching the race, I like watching the race because they aren't doing the small boss stuff. 56:48.810 --> 56:50.131 [SPEAKER_08]: They're not relying on the home run. 56:51.172 --> 56:55.536 [SPEAKER_08]: And it would be nice to see the Orioles kind of go in that direction. 56:56.236 --> 56:57.617 [SPEAKER_09]: By the way, he played 56:59.452 --> 57:02.034 [SPEAKER_09]: Let's see, he played 88 games at Norfolk this year. 57:02.734 --> 57:05.096 [SPEAKER_09]: Bradfield did deal with some injury stuff at the beginning of the year, especially. 57:05.797 --> 57:10.620 [SPEAKER_09]: And in 88 games, so like half a season, do you know how many seals he had this year at Norfolk? 57:11.901 --> 57:12.422 [SPEAKER_09]: 88 games? 57:12.962 --> 57:14.744 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 57:15.484 --> 57:15.704 [SPEAKER_08]: 30. 57:15.764 --> 57:16.024 [SPEAKER_08]: 36. 57:17.345 --> 57:21.248 [SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, I think we'll do the same thing in marriage as we got up here. 57:22.389 --> 57:24.071 [SPEAKER_08]: And that was with 41 attempts. 57:24.863 --> 57:26.084 [SPEAKER_08]: but it was only five times. 57:26.584 --> 57:29.565 [SPEAKER_09]: Hey, Josh, do you think this is a little travel ball talk? 57:29.805 --> 57:30.866 [SPEAKER_09]: You think this is a travel ball talk? 57:30.926 --> 57:32.986 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, that's a record for Norfolk. 57:33.927 --> 57:34.287 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, did it? 57:34.307 --> 57:34.767 [SPEAKER_08]: 30 secs. 57:34.787 --> 57:36.828 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know, I only played half a season. 57:37.248 --> 57:39.889 [SPEAKER_08]: This single season record before that was 34. 57:40.870 --> 57:41.990 [SPEAKER_08]: What you would know this name? 57:42.790 --> 57:42.991 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 57:43.691 --> 57:45.952 [SPEAKER_08]: Holy of Bourbon. 57:46.912 --> 57:47.512 [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. 57:48.033 --> 57:49.213 [SPEAKER_08]: Now how do he do in the majors? 57:49.893 --> 57:50.074 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 57:50.614 --> 57:51.014 [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly. 57:51.134 --> 57:52.274 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, and Ricky Bradford does better. 57:54.623 --> 57:58.837 [SPEAKER_08]: Across all three minor league levels in 2026 Bradfield had 44 bases in 98 games. 58:01.569 --> 58:03.330 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, cause you have some rehab games out there. 58:03.350 --> 58:16.862 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, we get Brad field up in orange black can we get up now before he gets any orders are slowing down right take advantage of that speed even if it's just like a utility outfield or pinch runner guy right. 58:25.120 --> 58:29.041 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I would give up a bench spot for this for this late-end and guy to go in. 58:29.201 --> 58:34.163 [SPEAKER_08]: You get the extra innings, who cares for a second base, your pinch hit and Bradfield out there. 58:34.483 --> 58:35.103 [SPEAKER_09]: All right, right, right. 58:35.484 --> 58:39.825 [SPEAKER_09]: But if we did that, then what will we do with Western Wilson? 58:40.345 --> 58:41.025 [SPEAKER_08]: That's a good question. 58:41.045 --> 58:41.786 [SPEAKER_08]: Western Wilson. 58:41.906 --> 58:47.068 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, isn't that the irritating part this year is like, this was the down year. 58:47.128 --> 58:48.368 [SPEAKER_08]: We brought up so many people. 58:48.388 --> 58:53.950 [SPEAKER_08]: We kept signing people off waiver wires, but we couldn't get Bradfield and cursed that in opportunity. 58:54.523 --> 58:55.684 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that was frustrating. 58:56.584 --> 59:01.968 [SPEAKER_09]: I feel like it was a good year for our prospects and the miners, I'll set a couple of injuries. 59:02.528 --> 59:06.071 [SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, we really didn't really get to see much in the majors. 59:06.231 --> 59:11.455 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, we got a cup of tea with Louis State Dalyon as a pitcher in the bullpan who hopefully will be starting next year. 59:11.935 --> 59:14.917 [SPEAKER_09]: But in terms of pros, good prospects, that's kind of it, you know? 59:16.918 --> 59:17.679 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, first written. 59:18.269 --> 59:22.652 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, so yeah, I whipped loss on all those board predictions. 59:22.872 --> 59:39.462 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so the only board predictions we got correct is Tyler O'Neill does not hammer on opening day or it was attendance to clients or it was win more games in 2025 fans like the improvements and people still complain about attendance. 59:39.862 --> 59:45.186 [SPEAKER_08]: Those are what we got right and I feel like we could take those same exact predictions you just move them the next year. 59:46.226 --> 59:49.350 [SPEAKER_09]: By the way, do the tendons go up or down from last year to this year? 59:49.450 --> 59:59.580 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, we talked a lot about all the shenanigans with season tickets, some reason prices, and all that stuff, you think your tendons went down? 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:00.461 [SPEAKER_08]: It went down. 01:00:00.941 --> 01:00:01.502 [SPEAKER_09]: It actually went up. 01:00:02.546 --> 01:00:02.926 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, did it? 01:00:03.506 --> 01:00:04.426 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, last year.

01:00:04.786 --> 01:00:06.007 [SPEAKER_09]: No, I'm looking at the numbers right here. 01:00:06.467 --> 01:00:11.108 [SPEAKER_09]: Last year, average attendance, 22,267. 01:00:11.588 --> 01:00:13.588 [SPEAKER_09]: This year, average attendance, 22,583. 01:00:13.708 --> 01:00:17.709 [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I have enough time left. 01:00:19.429 --> 01:00:22.890 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, total attendance went up by, let's see, 26,000. 01:00:23.050 --> 01:00:24.771 [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, good. 01:00:24.851 --> 01:00:25.871 [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I'm glad to see that. 01:00:26.711 --> 01:00:27.011 [SPEAKER_08]: I guess. 01:00:28.843 --> 01:00:42.169 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, still well above ALP average and still down from what it was in 2024, but, but yeah, it's you know, you want the tends to go up with more games. 01:00:42.209 --> 01:00:47.652 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, we saw that I thought it tends to be really good this year except for, I mean, if you turn a game on a September, right? 01:00:47.932 --> 01:00:48.412 [SPEAKER_09]: It was a great one. 01:00:48.472 --> 01:00:48.952 [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly. 01:00:49.452 --> 01:00:52.114 [SPEAKER_08]: And that's like, can you really, that's where it always 01:00:54.065 --> 01:00:55.027 [SPEAKER_08]: Can you blame the fans? 01:00:56.068 --> 01:01:08.849 [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 01:01:09.546 --> 01:01:11.427 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, that's we all know that's true. 01:01:11.467 --> 01:01:23.794 [SPEAKER_09]: Just winning equals better attendance such as how that works in most cities so just win more, but yeah, Josh, you think there should be we have this press conference, make a list and Craig operas. 01:01:24.234 --> 01:01:26.435 [SPEAKER_09]: Do you think there should be press conference for fans. 01:01:26.815 --> 01:01:29.317 [SPEAKER_09]: So they can explain how they can improve and get better for next year. 01:01:29.337 --> 01:01:29.977 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 01:01:31.418 --> 01:01:33.079 [SPEAKER_08]: Um, no, I think we're good. 01:01:33.099 --> 01:01:33.939 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. 01:01:37.839 --> 01:01:43.103 [SPEAKER_09]: Hey, we talked about, we can get out on this, just a little travel ball update. 01:01:43.404 --> 01:01:44.044 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, please. 01:01:44.064 --> 01:01:44.685 [SPEAKER_09]: Question for you. 01:01:45.085 --> 01:01:47.988 [SPEAKER_09]: So, Silas had his first travel ball tournament of the fall. 01:01:49.389 --> 01:01:53.132 [SPEAKER_09]: Against Kid pitching, which is the whole thing as an absolute mess with Kid pitch, Kid's pitching. 01:01:53.432 --> 01:01:55.754 [SPEAKER_09]: But he's got

a new nickname, Josh. 01:01:55.974 --> 01:02:03.020 [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm trying to think, is this nickname, directorate, like is this, but it coached gave it to him. 01:02:06.877 --> 01:02:09.359 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, his nickname is no nicknamed Josh's wheels. 01:02:10.180 --> 01:02:13.382 [SPEAKER_09]: Now, we just, we just, we just, he must know. 01:02:13.402 --> 01:02:14.463 [SPEAKER_09]: No, he's not fast. 01:02:14.523 --> 01:02:15.804 [SPEAKER_09]: He is the biggest guy in the team. 01:02:16.564 --> 01:02:17.925 [SPEAKER_09]: And not the switch of the foot. 01:02:18.205 --> 01:02:19.626 [SPEAKER_09]: But he got the nickname because 01:02:20.499 --> 01:02:25.662 [SPEAKER_09]: He, over the weekend, three games, he pulled an Enrique Bradfield Junior and had 10 steals. 01:02:26.562 --> 01:02:29.584 [SPEAKER_09]: But most because the dude gets on base almost every time. 01:02:30.405 --> 01:02:34.607 [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, it's, it's nine-year-old catchers and bitters and you can steal them pretty easily. 01:02:35.207 --> 01:02:38.249 [SPEAKER_09]: So he got on base a bunch and then he'd just he kept on stealing. 01:02:38.729 --> 01:02:43.472 [SPEAKER_09]: And so he had 10 steals was not caught at all and so he got the new nickname wheels. 01:02:44.132 --> 01:02:44.933 [SPEAKER_09]: Offensive or no? 01:02:48.835 --> 01:02:57.720 [SPEAKER_09]: And there is a little bit of like playing a little bit of your big guy, and here you stand all these bases, you see, there's wheels, there he's not super fast. 01:02:58.301 --> 01:02:59.761 [SPEAKER_08]: Right, right, but it's working. 01:03:00.622 --> 01:03:01.723 [SPEAKER_08]: Does he like that thing? 01:03:02.991 --> 01:03:11.017 [SPEAKER_09]: He likes it and we're talking, yeah, because we've been having a conversation about bass running and he's like into like how big of a lead can I get? 01:03:11.457 --> 01:03:12.838 [SPEAKER_09]: And when do I take off for third? 01:03:12.918 --> 01:03:13.078 [SPEAKER_09]: Right. 01:03:13.098 --> 01:03:20.664 [SPEAKER_09]: Like we've been talking about this stuff and we've been talking about how you get to this age of nine you and up, bass running is about more than speed, right? 01:03:20.684 --> 01:03:23.406 [SPEAKER_09]: And you can get big jobs and you can steal and it's not all about speed. 01:03:23.426 --> 01:03:26.268 [SPEAKER_09]: You can come a really good bass runner and not be the fast guy on the team. 01:03:26.728 --> 01:03:27.168 [SPEAKER_09]: Right. 01:03:27.188 --> 01:03:29.270 [SPEAKER_09]: So in that respect, okay. 01:03:30.291 --> 01:03:32.273 [SPEAKER_08]: But also, is that nine you? 01:03:32.634 --> 01:03:41.304 [SPEAKER_08]: The next three years are when his body starts to stretch and he gets taller and maybe he does pick up an extra speed compared to some of the other kids. 01:03:41.645 --> 01:03:45.790 [SPEAKER_08]: Especially if at this age, he gets the technique down. 01:03:46.416 --> 01:03:53.981 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, yes, he's already much faster than he was at eight, because by the already getting a little bit, you know, like the thing out a little bit. 01:03:54.001 --> 01:03:54.822 [SPEAKER_08]: No, he's a Soroke. 01:03:54.842 --> 01:03:56.063 [SPEAKER_08]: He's going to get the long legs. 01:03:56.743 --> 01:03:56.944 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 01:03:56.984 --> 01:03:59.966 [SPEAKER_09]: So he's got my exact body type when I was his age. 01:04:00.006 --> 01:04:00.666 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 01:04:00.706 --> 01:04:00.886 [SPEAKER_08]: Right. 01:04:00.946 --> 01:04:02.808 [SPEAKER_08]: So he's got to he'll have some speed. 01:04:03.048 --> 01:04:03.348 [SPEAKER_08]: He won't. 01:04:03.909 --> 01:04:07.371 [SPEAKER_08]: You were never as fast as me, but we'll move on to that. 01:04:07.391 --> 01:04:08.512 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't have a gesture. 01:04:08.792 --> 01:04:10.133 [SPEAKER_09]: You had longer legs than me. 01:04:10.213 --> 01:04:11.674 [SPEAKER_09]: So yes, who are faster walker 01:04:14.628 --> 01:04:16.550 [SPEAKER_08]: I believe that I've beaten you in races. 01:04:17.631 --> 01:04:20.593 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't recall that, but I've got to still beat you in a race. 01:04:20.613 --> 01:04:21.594 [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe we can revisit that. 01:04:21.835 --> 01:04:22.115 [SPEAKER_08]: OK. 01:04:22.875 --> 01:04:30.662 [SPEAKER_09]: I think we had a race one time in the street, but I think a car backfired, and you started running before the official kick off of the race. 01:04:30.983 --> 01:04:32.284 [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know about the way you won. 01:04:32.384 --> 01:04:34.866 [SPEAKER_08]: That's, I don't know about that. 01:04:35.367 --> 01:04:35.627 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah. 01:04:35.887 --> 01:04:37.669 [SPEAKER_09]: And then you said you would never race again after that. 01:04:37.689 --> 01:04:38.209 [SPEAKER_09]: No, I think. 01:04:38.810 --> 01:04:40.872 [SPEAKER_08]: And I think we've race on the base paths. 01:04:41.821 --> 01:04:44.423 [SPEAKER_08]: but you had an issue with how I round the bases or something. 01:04:45.243 --> 01:04:45.904 [SPEAKER_09]: That's possible. 01:04:45.924 --> 01:04:47.905 [SPEAKER_09]: You possibly could have skipped a base or something. 01:04:48.125 --> 01:04:48.765 [SPEAKER_09]: That's possible. 01:04:48.825 --> 01:04:49.426 [SPEAKER_08]: Sounds like you. 01:04:50.967 --> 01:04:52.508 [SPEAKER_09]: But, all right, we can settle that at Christmas. 01:04:54.069 --> 01:04:56.610 [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, we had a whole YouTube video with a race, right? 01:04:56.670 --> 01:04:57.751 [SPEAKER_09]: Didn't burp when or something. 01:04:57.871 --> 01:04:59.992 [SPEAKER_08]: I think burp when that one, but there were shenanigans. 01:05:00.252 --> 01:05:02.053 [SPEAKER_09]: There was a lot of shenanigans involved in that one. 01:05:02.114 --> 01:05:02.674 [SPEAKER_09]: That's for sure. 01:05:03.494 --> 01:05:04.395 [SPEAKER_08]: By some super fans. 01:05:04.995 --> 01:05:05.135 [SPEAKER_08]: Yep. 01:05:06.436 --> 01:05:06.816 [SPEAKER_09]: All right. 01:05:07.697 -->

01:05:08.578 [SPEAKER_09]: Let's get out of here. 01:05:08.798 --> 01:05:08.998 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes. 01:05:10.289 --> 01:05:12.931 [SPEAKER_09]: You have any, you had any real serious predictions, Josh? 01:05:13.732 --> 01:05:17.796 [SPEAKER_08]: At this point, I am cheering on the brewers and I am cheering on the race. 01:05:18.877 --> 01:05:19.477 [SPEAKER_08]: All right. 01:05:19.497 --> 01:05:21.139 [SPEAKER_08]: Go on with the fall of machines. 01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:23.380 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I like small market teams. 01:05:23.420 --> 01:05:24.981 [SPEAKER_08]: I like teams who haven't been there before. 01:05:25.722 --> 01:05:26.282 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 01:05:26.582 --> 01:05:29.664 [SPEAKER_09]: We're all encouraging to see all these small market teams. 01:05:30.065 --> 01:05:30.985 [SPEAKER_09]: I gotta say this, Josh. 01:05:31.266 --> 01:05:32.426 [SPEAKER_09]: Me or you want to talk sky? 01:05:32.647 --> 01:05:33.847 [SPEAKER_09]: You pushing the white socks? 01:05:34.308 --> 01:05:35.228 [SPEAKER_09]: I am pushing the white socks. 01:05:35.448 --> 01:05:36.629 [SPEAKER_09]: Because they don't have to be there. 01:05:36.889 --> 01:05:37.490 [SPEAKER_09]: It's hilarious. 01:05:37.510 --> 01:05:40.712 [SPEAKER_09]: Me and socks were watching the white socks and were like, yes, we're just shaking our heads. 01:05:41.052 --> 01:05:43.334 [SPEAKER_09]: How is this team in the playoffs and the orals aren't? 01:05:43.454 --> 01:05:44.595 [SPEAKER_09]: It doesn't make any sense. 01:05:45.075 --> 01:05:45.395 [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. 01:05:45.655 --> 01:05:46.756 [SPEAKER_09]: Just shaking our heads at it. 01:05:48.117 --> 01:05:54.342 [SPEAKER_08]: No, I just, you know, in how close you would against rude against the Yankees, rude against the Dodgers. 01:05:54.922 --> 01:05:57.825 [SPEAKER_08]: I have a soft spot for the Braves, but they've been there many times. 01:05:58.485 --> 01:06:01.047 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, we got a soft spot for the Braves, too, being at Atlanta. 01:06:01.448 --> 01:06:01.928 [SPEAKER_09]: Right. 01:06:02.849 --> 01:06:09.034 [SPEAKER_09]: And I, so yeah, but there's a lot of new things like the, what the race, the Padres, 01:06:09.978 --> 01:06:13.180 [SPEAKER_09]: And the brewers, I feel like I'm missing but never been the real series before everyone wrote. 01:06:13.200 --> 01:06:17.443 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I mean, the white socks are so bad that you're out for the white socks. 01:06:17.463 --> 01:06:18.924 [SPEAKER_09]: That's the white socks everyone on the series. 01:06:19.565 --> 01:06:20.165 [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know. 01:06:23.247 --> 01:06:24.408 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, sure they have it. 01:06:24.428 --> 01:06:25.669 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, they have it. 01:06:25.689 --> 01:06:27.590 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, they want more recently. 01:06:27.610 --> 01:06:28.751 [SPEAKER_09]: They want in 2005. 01:06:29.051 --> 01:06:32.534 [SPEAKER_09]: But before 2005, was that right? 01:06:32.554 --> 01:06:35.316 [SPEAKER_09]: I thought they won in the 90s. 01:06:37.017 --> 01:06:38.258 [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's the Frank Thomas era. 01:06:40.134 --> 01:06:46.256 [SPEAKER_09]: Um, I think before 2005, I don't think they won, yeah, no, I don't think they won it all. 01:06:47.676 --> 01:06:51.138 [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's like back to like the 1900s, they're early 1900s, or something. 01:06:52.138 --> 01:06:53.418 [SPEAKER_08]: The Laxxx talk. 01:06:53.698 --> 01:06:56.059 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, they have, they have appeared. 01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:57.820 [SPEAKER_08]: They won the World Series in 2005. 01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:01.081 [SPEAKER_08]: They appeared in 59, they appeared in 19, they won in 1917, and they won in 1906. 01:07:05.402 --> 01:07:13.703 [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so not not not a rich out of nothing either, but also are they going to continue this Probably not, but yeah, I'll root for the white socks too. 01:07:13.943 --> 01:07:24.625 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, no, they have no business even making it this far so it's kind of not I mean that the series is Yankees and Ray is I don't know it's it's kind of a bad look for baseball, right? 01:07:24.725 --> 01:07:30.706 [SPEAKER_09]: That the Yankees and Ray's first all the Yankees and red socks Yankees and Ray's these are the two best series and these are the 01:07:34.687 --> 01:07:35.987 [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you. 01:07:36.047 --> 01:07:46.929 [SPEAKER_09]: And so the white socks or the guardians have kind of had a joke, trip to the ALCS and the best teams are have already played. 01:07:46.989 --> 01:07:53.331 [SPEAKER_09]: So I don't know if they need to do it in restructuring based on record, but the division this year kind of screwed things up. 01:07:53.571 --> 01:07:53.831 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 01:07:54.331 --> 01:07:58.772 [SPEAKER_08]: And that's something that we talked about in a future episode because I think especially with the whole 01:07:59.792 --> 01:08:01.273 [SPEAKER_08]: Is there going to be a season now? 01:08:01.293 --> 01:08:02.254 [SPEAKER_08]: We're going to have a strike. 01:08:02.514 --> 01:08:04.976 [SPEAKER_08]: I think they're going to look at all different types of things. 01:08:05.136 --> 01:08:22.190 [SPEAKER_08]: Plus they Now that Tampa has a new stadium in the plans and now that the Vegas stadium is like a year out It's enough that baseball is going to start talking expansion again and with our expansion comes Restructuring so that'll be interesting too. 01:08:22.750 --> 01:08:24.131 [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, we'll be all right. 01:08:24.151 --> 01:08:25.052 [SPEAKER_09]: We'll take them on another. 01:08:25.152 --> 01:08:26.473 [SPEAKER_09]: We got the whole off season 01:08:29.290 --> 01:08:40.314 [SPEAKER_09]: Alright, well boys and girls, follow us on our social media platform TV, some Apple podcasts review, wherever you're listening to spotcast, subscribe, tell your friends, you can follow Josh on social media. 01:08:40.874 --> 01:08:41.755 [SPEAKER_08]: At Josh Locke. 01:08:42.455 --> 01:08:45.416 [SPEAKER_08]: And he's involved in like 10 different podcasts now, so I don't know. 01:08:46.036 --> 01:08:48.757 [SPEAKER_08]: I recorded 15, 16 podcasts last week. 01:08:49.438 --> 01:08:50.658 [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, crazy. 01:08:50.898 --> 01:08:55.560 [SPEAKER_09]: Alright boys and girls, thanks for listening and as always, Go Oats and go Ravens. 01:08:59.249 --> 01:09:02.687 [SPEAKER_02]: everybody's down, everybody knows you