Full Transcript for S3E3(M): Marin County Coach Roundtable at The Hub

00:05:06.853 --> 00:05:10.153 And he's also just really fun to listen to and is not short on opinions. 00:05:10.773 --> 00:05:14.473 And this conversation was no exception. Tom was awesome. He brought the energy, 00:05:14.673 --> 00:05:21.173 asked great questions himself, and was a key contributor to the culture of the discussion. 00:05:21.833 --> 00:05:24.893 Next to Tom was Tony Butler, our good friend Tony. 00:05:25.053 --> 00:05:29.853 Tony's an amazing coach and has had a huge impact on Marin Athletics in his 00:05:29.853 --> 00:05:31.593 decades as a teacher and coach. 00:05:31.993 --> 00:05:33.733 Tony has coached multiple sports, 00:05:33.733 --> 00:05:37.493 but last couple decades he's coached basketball, both boys and girls. 00:05:37.633 --> 00:05:41.613 He was a boys coach at San Rafael High for several years where he's still a teacher. 00:05:42.173 --> 00:05:45.533 He also coached at Marin Academy back in the day. But in the last couple of 00:05:45.533 --> 00:05:48.133 years, he's been the head girls varsity coach at San Marin. 00:05:48.693 --> 00:05:52.413 They're always good. They always play hard. They're always a tough team to battle 00:05:52.413 --> 00:05:55.793 against because Tony just gets those kids to buy in and play hard. 00:05:56.333 --> 00:05:59.533 And Tony has actually started his own business. He's an entrepreneur. 00:05:59.733 --> 00:06:02.353 It's called All Net Mindset Training. 00:06:02.613 --> 00:06:05.133 It's a great product that he offers. 00:06:05.473 --> 00:06:09.073 It's essentially tools for athletes and coaches alike to help them. 00:06:09.618 --> 00:06:13.158 To handle the mental aspect of athletics and performance. 00:06:13.638 --> 00:06:18.318 And our Branson Girls team, we are a client of Tony's All Net business, 00:06:18.318 --> 00:06:20.918 and I can't recommend it enough to anybody. 00:06:21.078 --> 00:06:25.718 So we actually talk about some of Tony's ideas and tools and methods in this 00:06:25.718 --> 00:06:27.218 conversation today. It was very fun. 00:06:27.518 --> 00:06:30.318 Tony's great. And then finally, we had Dave Dineen. 00:06:30.638 --> 00:06:34.578 Dave is one of a kind, was one of our first guests on the podcast way back early 00:06:34.578 --> 00:06:38.038 in season one, when we started this run TMC idea. 00:06:38.798 --> 00:06:42.218 Dave was on a short list of people we wanted to get just because he's so entertaining. 00:06:42.658 --> 00:06:47.078 He's absolutely hilarious. He's very thoughtful. And he has a great story. 00:06:47.478 --> 00:06:51.198 You know, Dave was a good, a really good high school basketball player at San 00:06:51.198 --> 00:06:52.498 Rafael High, played for Brett Tavani. 00:06:52.798 --> 00:06:56.698 But Dave will be the first to tell you he's not an athlete. He's not tall. 00:06:56.698 --> 00:06:59.098 He's not strong. He's not fast. He can't jump. 00:06:59.558 --> 00:07:04.718 But he just made himself into a player. And he went from being a skinny kid 00:07:04.718 --> 00:07:09.258 kind of on the end of the bench in CYO to being all league at San Rafael High. 00:07:09.698 --> 00:07:13.498 He played at Santa Rosa Junior College where he had to try out and make the team. 00:07:13.838 --> 00:07:17.838 And then he ended up getting a walk-on role at Cal Poly and earned himself a 00:07:17.838 --> 00:07:20.338 scholarship and was a division one basketball player. 00:07:20.538 --> 00:07:23.178 So Dave is a great observer of the game. 00:07:23.718 --> 00:07:27.998 He's a basketball historian. He's an absolute basketball nerd and one of my 00:07:27.998 --> 00:07:31.618 favorite people to talk hoop with. So he was a great contributor to this discussion. 00:07:31.958 --> 00:07:35.918 And then you had me and Duffy kind of asking questions. Duffy was handing out 00:07:35.918 --> 00:07:38.238 beers and facilitating the proceedings. 00:07:38.338 --> 00:07:41.778 This was Duffy's idea. As I said, he is the lifeblood of this podcast. 00:07:42.338 --> 00:07:46.918 And I was just there kind of throwing out ideas and questions and facilitating the discussion. 00:07:47.138 --> 00:07:51.338 So I hope you enjoy it. We had a great time. We've already discussed doing this 00:07:51.338 --> 00:07:55.138 again, both having some of these people back again or all of them back again, 00:07:55.298 --> 00:07:59.178 maybe in different combinations. But we're going to have current MCAL players 00:07:59.178 --> 00:08:00.878 join us for one of these future ones. 00:08:00.998 --> 00:08:05.238 We're going to have more coaches and more of our friends come and participate 00:08:05.238 --> 00:08:08.118 in these roundtable discussions because we think they're a lot of fun. 00:08:08.598 --> 00:08:12.238 Hope you enjoy it. And Duffy, back to you, my friend. 00:08:13.327 --> 00:08:17.807 Thank you, Dave, and great introduction to our roundtable. It does remain, 00:08:18.067 --> 00:08:21.407 in my mind, somewhat debatable whose idea this was. 00:08:21.707 --> 00:08:26.947 I believe that you might have floated something about a roundtable a couple 00:08:26.947 --> 00:08:32.107 months ago, and I might have taken that idea and run with it. 00:08:32.227 --> 00:08:38.267 And then we got a great group together for our seminal roundtable discussion. 00:08:38.787 --> 00:08:42.367 And as you mentioned, Dave, we are planning more. 00:08:42.907 --> 00:08:48.927 It's a great way to bring together a number of thought leaders in one spot and 00:08:48.927 --> 00:08:51.927 just break down the sport of basketball. 00:08:52.467 --> 00:08:59.487 And also, for me, it's an opportunity to stand in the background and learn a 00:08:59.487 --> 00:09:03.587 lot and then go and grab some beverages for the group. 00:09:03.927 --> 00:09:06.707 So a win across the board, Dave. 00:09:07.207 --> 00:09:12.267 So for this episode, it was a very long interview. We probably could have gone 00:09:12.267 --> 00:09:15.947 for another couple hours or at least until closing time at

the Hub. 00:09:17.007 --> 00:09:20.847 We're going to break it up into two separate episodes. 00:09:21.167 --> 00:09:28.127 So you will get the first 44 minutes or so of the discussion today. 00:09:28.967 --> 00:09:32.447 And one of the reasons we're doing that, Dave, and this is very exciting, 00:09:32.767 --> 00:09:41.807 is for the first time, We are also posting the video of our conversation up on the YouTube. 00:09:42.287 --> 00:09:45.787 So we will put the link in the show notes. 00:09:46.959 --> 00:09:50.499 For youtube and because the 00:09:50.499 --> 00:09:53.519 video posting is a work in progress what i 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:56.619 have discovered dave is that i cannot 00:09:56.619 --> 00:10:01.119 post more than let's say about 47 minutes 00:10:01.119 --> 00:10:09.139 and 46 seconds worth of video up on youtube so we have truncated to about 45 00:10:09.139 --> 00:10:16.459 minutes and then we will edit and re-release the rest of it very soon, 00:10:16.599 --> 00:10:17.639 probably end of the week, Dave, 00:10:17.979 --> 00:10:22.719 and let us know what you think of the YouTube approach. 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:27.119 You'll be able to also connect to the podcast directly. 00:10:28.119 --> 00:10:32.479 And we look forward to maybe not doing this for every episode, 00:10:32.499 --> 00:10:37.659 but at least for ones where we get a group together that we grab some, grab some video. 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:40.939 You can see the minds in action 00:10:40.939 --> 00:10:43.779 and you can see Tom composer being 00:10:43.779 --> 00:10:46.379 slightly distracted some of the time there was a 00:10:46.379 --> 00:10:50.019 little bit of phone time during the interview I'm not gonna lie but 00:10:50.019 --> 00:10:56.419 we'll allow it because otherwise it was a great discussion so Dave before we 00:10:56.419 --> 00:11:03.979 get to the round table just a couple notes Sumitri TT car played his first game 00:11:03.979 --> 00:11:09.939 with Cal last night and we had a couple friends that were there at the game. 00:11:10.987 --> 00:11:14.667 Scott Tachiki, Cheeks as we call him, and also Jeff Skaggs. 00:11:15.027 --> 00:11:19.987 TT played 12 minutes, had a couple boards, and from what we heard, 00:11:20.527 --> 00:11:23.587 looked like he belonged out there. So that's great. 00:11:24.047 --> 00:11:27.487 Maybe had a little bit of a scare with landing awkwardly on the knee. 00:11:27.627 --> 00:11:29.947 So we hope he's okay and gets back out there. 00:11:30.747 --> 00:11:37.607 Scottie Pippen, also in attendance last night for that Cal and Cal State Bakersfield game. 00:11:38.347 --> 00:11:44.367 Also, congratulations to all of those who were honored this past weekend at 00:11:44.367 --> 00:11:52.907 the Marin Athletic Foundation Hall of Fame dinner that was hosted by friend of the podcast, 00:11:53.167 --> 00:12:01.487 Dan Dibley, and in particular to Coach Mike Sia, who we heard gave a quote-unquote 00:12:01.487 --> 00:12:06.867 master class in public speaking in his remarks there. 00:12:06.867 --> 00:12:09.847 So, congrats to Coach Sia. 00:12:10.207 --> 00:12:15.827 Also, congrats to all those who were inducted in the Archie Williams Hall of 00:12:15.827 --> 00:12:19.367 Fame ceremony, which was at the end of September. 00:12:19.927 --> 00:12:27.507 And anyway, it's great to see some of these legends of Marin County recognized in various ways. 00:12:28.407 --> 00:12:32.987 And Dave, who knows, maybe one of these days, maybe just one of these days, 00:12:32.987 --> 00:12:38.467 we'll get an invite for an emcee opportunity at one of these dinners. 00:12:38.947 --> 00:12:43.147 Okay, so Dave, we're going to roll into the roundtable. We're going to have 00:12:43.147 --> 00:12:49.487 a break at some point for some additional words from our sponsors. 00:12:49.827 --> 00:12:57.107 And then we'll have part two of the interview coming your way very soon. 00:12:57.507 --> 00:13:03.887 Thank you all for supporting this podcast and for supporting basketball here 00:13:03.887 --> 00:13:05.487 in Wren County and beyond. 00:13:08.761 --> 00:13:11.721 All right, I'm going to do Duffy's part. 00:13:12.741 --> 00:13:17.821 Welcome to the Run TMC podcast. We are live at the Hub. 00:13:17.961 --> 00:13:25.381 This is a first for us. We are doing a live round table with a esteemed crew of basketball friends. 00:13:25.721 --> 00:13:29.641 None of these people will be new to our listeners because they've all been guests 00:13:29.641 --> 00:13:33.501 on Run TMC at some point, some of them multiple time guests. 00:13:35.932 --> 00:13:41.412 Some just single, so this is their second time. I'm going to have our esteemed 00:13:41.412 --> 00:13:43.652 roundtable go around the table and introduce themselves. 00:13:43.892 --> 00:13:46.792 We're sitting outside at the Hub in San Anselmo, our favorite place, 00:13:46.912 --> 00:13:47.772 one of our first sponsors. 00:13:48.692 --> 00:13:53.252 We're drinking beers, having some cheese fries, or at least Tony Butler's having cheese fries. 00:13:53.892 --> 00:14:00.332 We're going to introduce ourselves briefly, and I'm going to start with let's 00:14:00.332 --> 00:14:02.132 go most recent state champions first. 00:14:02.272 --> 00:14:05.472 So that would be our friend over in the corner. 00:14:06.672 --> 00:14:12.012 Hello, I'm Kaden Korst, most known by KK. Happy to be back on the podcast. 00:14:12.812 --> 00:14:13.992 Oh, should I? I'm at Branson. 00:14:15.472 --> 00:14:18.772 Did you just stop it? No. Oh, I thought I messed up already. No, you didn't mess up. 00:14:19.712 --> 00:14:23.732 I'm now the varsity coach at Branson coaching with Dave, and we're excited for 00:14:23.732 --> 00:14:26.832 tryouts tomorrow. Excellent. All right, Tom, you go next. 00:14:27.972 --> 00:14:33.012 Hello, I am Tom. Excuse me. Nailed it. Nailed it. Crushed it. Tom Poser. 00:14:34.052 --> 00:14:38.612 I went to Archie Williams Drake High School in 94, and I am an assistant coach

00:14:38.612 --> 00:14:40.712 at Redwood Varsity Boys right now. 00:14:41.252 --> 00:14:44.972 And I have three kids in high school, all of which hope to play basketball this year. 00:14:45.972 --> 00:14:48.792 Fantastic. I'd like to make a correction. This is a rectangle, 00:14:49.052 --> 00:14:53.732 not a round table. It's a rectangle table. Yeah. Coach Tony Butler here. 00:14:54.672 --> 00:14:58.152 I am the head varsity girls coach at San Marin High School. 00:14:59.052 --> 00:15:02.732 I was the former coach at San Rafael, coached boys at that time. 00:15:02.732 --> 00:15:05.312 I, too, am a Archie Williams Drake High School graduate. 00:15:06.272 --> 00:15:12.332 I preceded Mr. Poser, paved the way, and I'm looking forward to a good season. Let's do this. 00:15:13.895 --> 00:15:17.355 Hello, David Dineen. I graduated from San Rafael High School in 1990. 00:15:17.815 --> 00:15:20.555 I currently work at the University of Nevada, Reno. 00:15:21.095 --> 00:15:24.315 And as I look to my left here, Dave, there's a very good chance I've known you 00:15:24.315 --> 00:15:28.355 for 40 years. I just realized that Pirate Camp's probably 85, 86. 00:15:28.915 --> 00:15:31.875 That's 40 years. You look exactly the same. Yeah, as do you. 00:15:32.175 --> 00:15:34.735 Yeah. So you looked like you were 56 when you were 14. 00:15:35.855 --> 00:15:39.295 I'm happy to be here. I appreciate the invite. Awesome. 00:15:39.575 --> 00:15:42.295 And then Duffy Ballard is here. Duffy, why 00:15:42.295 --> 00:15:45.315 don't you say a little something wax poetic for 00:15:45.315 --> 00:15:48.155 our listeners duffy if you're in control i'm gonna get beers if 00:15:48.155 --> 00:15:51.055 anyone needs anything fries bacon burger just you 00:15:51.055 --> 00:15:59.175 know wave me down and uh have fun guys and gals and coaches and soon-to-be coaches 00:15:59.175 --> 00:16:05.495 that's right just let it flow awesome thanks duffy so we wanted to have a free-flowing 00:16:05.495 --> 00:16:10.495 discussion at this thank you tony a rectangular table about a variety of topics. 00:16:10.655 --> 00:16:13.175 And we thought it'd be fun to just get some thought leaders, 00:16:13.475 --> 00:16:15.315 some amazing basketball minds together. 00:16:15.515 --> 00:16:19.375 We're going to do this multiple times this season with different groups. 00:16:20.115 --> 00:16:24.355 We're doing this on Sunday, November 2nd. The first day of high school practice 00:16:24.355 --> 00:16:27.555 in the CIF is tomorrow, Monday, November 3rd. 00:16:27.695 --> 00:16:30.055 So we have two head coaches here. We have KK and Tony. 00:16:30.255 --> 00:16:33.155 We have three assistant coaches, me, Duffy, and Tom. And 00:16:33.155 --> 00:16:36.675 then we have dave denean who's just a lifetime of basketball nerddom a 00:16:36.675 --> 00:16:39.755 huge fan of the college game played college basketball 00:16:39.755 --> 00:16:44.795 so i thought it would be fun to start with how do you approach the first week 00:16:44.795 --> 00:16:49.915 of practice tryouts you've been thinking about the season obviously you got 00:16:49.915 --> 00:16:53.535 your kids ready hopefully they're in shape how are we approaching that first 00:16:53.535 --> 00:16:57.755 week of the season and i'm gonna pick on tony butler with his cheese fries go tony. 00:16:58.807 --> 00:17:06.747 Okay. Well, in my program, we don't disconnect a whole lot over a calendar year. 00:17:06.967 --> 00:17:12.247 So the expectation is that we are at least in touch and communicate throughout the year. 00:17:12.387 --> 00:17:15.567 Most of my girls play multiple sports and that's awesome. 00:17:15.727 --> 00:17:21.147 Huge proponent of playing multiple sports, but we do play in the summer. 00:17:21.427 --> 00:17:24.927 Expectation is that girls come back to the program to play 00:17:24.927 --> 00:17:28.127 from June into sometimes early july 00:17:28.127 --> 00:17:31.527 we run a week's worth of camp all my girls volunteered and 00:17:31.527 --> 00:17:34.627 run a camp we get about 80 girls girls camp huge 00:17:34.627 --> 00:17:37.507 resource for our our program not only 00:17:37.507 --> 00:17:41.747 financially but just connecting with our community so that's a big deal for 00:17:41.747 --> 00:17:45.807 us and and so the girls come back for that and then in the fall girls will either 00:17:45.807 --> 00:17:50.227 gravitate towards their fall sports or they will come to open gyms and play 00:17:50.227 --> 00:17:55.827 we do have a all-San Marin club basketball team that plays in the fall, stays connected. 00:17:56.187 --> 00:18:00.747 And so this first week of practice for the varsity girls, I mean, 00:18:00.887 --> 00:18:02.547 we, technically it's tryouts. 00:18:02.907 --> 00:18:07.407 They do have to show up and try out, but we do hit the ground running at a little, 00:18:07.667 --> 00:18:13.587 probably faster pace than some programs because we've been together as a group around the calendar. 00:18:13.807 --> 00:18:16.787 So that was always a goal of mine to make sure that we weren't starting back at, 00:18:16.787 --> 00:18:20.247 you know from scratch every year even 00:18:20.247 --> 00:18:23.027 if we do have new players and we do have new players this year and 00:18:23.027 --> 00:18:26.807 only has have five returners and so how 00:18:26.807 --> 00:18:31.047 are you approaching tryouts are you do you go in thinking all right we want 00:18:31.047 --> 00:18:35.687 to have 12 kids on the roster 15 kids on the roster or like what what's what's 00:18:35.687 --> 00:18:39.247 your mindset as you approach tryouts i know we all have probably a pretty decent 00:18:39.247 --> 00:18:42.247 sense of who the players are but i'm just curious how you're approaching that 00:18:42.247 --> 00:18:44.347 yeah well a lot of that It depends on the numbers. 00:18:45.127 --> 00:18:49.807 Never ideal to cut kids. But I've changed my approach. I used to want to keep 00:18:49.807 --> 00:18:52.127 15 every year,

and I found that. 00:18:53.451 --> 00:18:56.751 It just wasn't really good for the program, good for the, at least at the varsity 00:18:56.751 --> 00:19:00.291 level, the lower level. I think you should keep as many as you can keep. 00:19:00.471 --> 00:19:05.391 And, you know, as you trickle down to each level, I think you want freshmen 00:19:05.391 --> 00:19:08.231 to play as much as possible. You want to share playing time. 00:19:08.331 --> 00:19:12.671 JV, maybe tighten it up a little, but still play a lot of individuals in the varsity. 00:19:13.251 --> 00:19:16.951 That's a different animal. I've kind of settled on the number 12 as a really 00:19:16.951 --> 00:19:19.911 good number I like the even side of it, 00:19:20.451 --> 00:19:23.251 that way if you're doing partner work things like 00:19:23.251 --> 00:19:26.831 that it works out better and then if somebody goes down and inevitably someone 00:19:26.831 --> 00:19:31.171 will get sick or go down during the season usually multiple players you have 00:19:31.171 --> 00:19:34.931 enough to be able to continue going 5-on-5 without having to pick someone off 00:19:34.931 --> 00:19:41.471 your lower level team to play that being said it looks like this year we're lucky to have 11 so, 00:19:41.991 --> 00:19:44.511 we'll get to that we'll get to the state That is a good number. 00:19:44.691 --> 00:19:46.111 Yeah, exactly. It's a good number. Perfect. 00:19:46.511 --> 00:19:52.131 Tom, you're an assistant coach, but you're also, you're, you're happy place 00:19:52.131 --> 00:19:56.391 is being in the gym, working with kids, leading practices. You're amazing at it. Thank you. 00:19:57.025 --> 00:20:01.965 Yeah, that's the last compliment I'm going to give you. So how are you approaching leading up? 00:20:02.045 --> 00:20:04.325 Why don't you talk about leading up to the season? Because you've been running 00:20:04.325 --> 00:20:05.665 some practices along with Jay. 00:20:06.245 --> 00:20:09.365 And now into the first week, what are you doing? Sure, I've been super distracted 00:20:09.365 --> 00:20:11.985 in fall ball because my kids are playing water polo. 00:20:12.105 --> 00:20:14.305 And I'm committed to being in as many of those games as I can. 00:20:14.765 --> 00:20:20.805 So I have not seen a single fall ball basketball game that Redwood Varsity has played. 00:20:21.125 --> 00:20:26.745 But I have been running practices, fall ball practices. and what I gravitate 00:20:26.745 --> 00:20:29.265 towards, it won't surprise you, it's fundamentals. 00:20:29.645 --> 00:20:33.025 And I was just talking about this last night at the Hall of Fame dinner where 00:20:33.025 --> 00:20:38.185 I was an attendee along with Dave Deneen and explaining just how almost everything 00:20:38.185 --> 00:20:42.665 I do started with and comes from Pirate Camp, which is now Falcon Camp, 00:20:42.865 --> 00:20:44.565 which we all went to back in the good old days. 00:20:45.105 --> 00:20:49.165 And the subject matter was important last night because Mike Sine was going 00:20:49.165 --> 00:20:53.205 in and he was a big part of Pirate Camp and then all these guys were there. Pete Hayward was there. 00:20:53.785 --> 00:20:56.145 Mike Fullett was there. Jimmy Sia was there. 00:20:57.005 --> 00:21:00.205 Steve Spencer was there. So all my childhood heroes were in attendance last 00:21:00.205 --> 00:21:01.085 night. It was really fun. 00:21:01.545 --> 00:21:04.525 And so I got time during people's speeches that I didn't know. 00:21:04.665 --> 00:21:09.005 Like there was a super sharp woman who was a softball player who gave a great speech. 00:21:09.405 --> 00:21:11.905 But I was sort of thinking about practice at the time. 00:21:12.345 --> 00:21:16.445 And everything we're doing, V cuts, reverse pivots, jump stops, 00:21:17.105 --> 00:21:22.145 land on two feet, pivot, pivot, land on two feet, one dribble attack, land on two feet, pass. 00:21:22.745 --> 00:21:25.165 That's really what I've been focusing on is skill development. 00:21:25.345 --> 00:21:29.385 I think that's, I'm not great with X's and O's, so I've been really focused on that kind of stuff. 00:21:29.685 --> 00:21:32.525 And then going into the season, I don't know. I will be at Trout's this week, 00:21:32.545 --> 00:21:38.705 but my plan is to stay as far away as possible from making decisions about rosters. That's not my job. 00:21:39.687 --> 00:21:42.147 Thankfully, intentionally not my job. I don't want that job. 00:21:42.267 --> 00:21:43.427 I've done that, of course. 00:21:44.027 --> 00:21:48.327 And so I hope during all these tryouts to be whistle guy and drill guy and run 00:21:48.327 --> 00:21:52.387 them through all the different things and then let Jay and Jeff have conversations 00:21:52.387 --> 00:21:56.087 on the sideline about who should make it, what strengths and weaknesses are. 00:21:56.827 --> 00:22:01.747 Personally, I disagree with a number of people. If I was running a high school 00:22:01.747 --> 00:22:09.267 program, I might take 16 as Tony scoffs. What if you were coaching girls? 00:22:10.247 --> 00:22:13.247 There's so many factors if the focus is 00:22:13.247 --> 00:22:16.227 skill development i like four on 00:22:16.227 --> 00:22:19.847 four on two half courts i like being able to run three 00:22:19.847 --> 00:22:24.327 on two continuous where you have eight on a side yeah i like playing cutthroat 00:22:24.327 --> 00:22:27.967 four four four four uh where i can throw people off quick and get them back 00:22:27.967 --> 00:22:32.647 on but i but i think the counter to that is that you really the point is you're 00:22:32.647 --> 00:22:35.227 improving your best players the players are going to play you want to give everyone 00:22:35.227 --> 00:22:36.767 a shot but the best players are going to play. 00:22:37.027 --> 00:22:41.007 So if the goal is to maximize their development and preparation for the season, 00:22:41.287 --> 00:22:44.587 you want them going against the next best

players as often as possible, 00:22:44.607 --> 00:22:46.627 not like the third next best players. 00:22:47.537 --> 00:22:51.157 So the problem with 16 is often in practice, you have to tell four kids to sit 00:22:51.157 --> 00:22:54.957 down. That becomes a little weird or insulting. So luckily it's not my choice. 00:22:55.457 --> 00:23:01.517 I think that part of those decisions come down to the spectrum of talent within 00:23:01.517 --> 00:23:03.477 the group you're choosing from, right? 00:23:03.617 --> 00:23:09.617 Like keeping 16 just to keep 16 is different than like 16 guys at Redwood looks 00:23:09.617 --> 00:23:12.957 different than 16 guys at some other places, right? 00:23:13.117 --> 00:23:16.957 So that spectrum of talent, so those back four that are coming into practice 00:23:16.957 --> 00:23:20.357 at Redwood, I would argue, are helping your best players get better. 00:23:20.537 --> 00:23:24.757 At some schools, they would not, in fact, be helping you get better. Not additive. 00:23:25.257 --> 00:23:32.437 So to kick, I want to get to you, Tom, talking about playing off two feet, fundamentals, pivots. 00:23:33.177 --> 00:23:38.257 Discuss how you're approaching the first week of practice with a new team, 00:23:38.717 --> 00:23:40.217 with a lot of young players. 00:23:40.557 --> 00:23:43.077 It's a loaded question. Go ahead. Yeah, that is. 00:23:43.477 --> 00:23:47.617 It's been interesting. It's been fun. It's been good. I think you've been around 00:23:47.617 --> 00:23:50.697 so you know, we've got like eight or nine kids that are fully bought in. 00:23:52.637 --> 00:23:56.237 And a couple kids that I'm sure will be they've just got fall sports or whatnot, 00:23:56.257 --> 00:24:01.937 which is great and we support that so this tryout we're really trying to find our, 00:24:03.097 --> 00:24:10.097 12 best kids if the cutoff is 14 then it's 14 if it's 11 it's 11 and I'm not 00:24:10.097 --> 00:24:15.017 against taking 10 so I'm a big believer in that especially for girls. 00:24:15.257 --> 00:24:19.617 There's like often a very weak link and you don't want that I don't want that 00:24:19.617 --> 00:24:23.697 like last year at MCI at 11 and It was just perfect. 00:24:23.837 --> 00:24:26.357 Like everybody knew their role knew their spot. 00:24:26.637 --> 00:24:32.177 It was a small team We could fit into one van we could like we were just so 00:24:32.177 --> 00:24:36.877 Connected and I think that's so valuable for girls because if you get a team 00:24:36.877 --> 00:24:40.857 of 16 These girls will be able to create four or five clubs, 00:24:41.875 --> 00:24:45.555 If you have a team of 10, the most clicks they can have is probably two. 00:24:46.255 --> 00:24:48.995 So least clicks, better. 00:24:50.655 --> 00:24:55.915 It sounds silly, but it's... I mean, 16 guys, I feel like they can all be kind of like a... 00:24:56.495 --> 00:25:01.595 Have this bromance, like big squad, and dab each other up and be bros. 00:25:01.735 --> 00:25:07.455 But girls, if you add more than 11 different personalities, it could get really ugly. 00:25:07.455 --> 00:25:10.815 Well i you sent me the text this week that 00:25:10.815 --> 00:25:17.735 said what was it guys need to play play well to feel good and girls need to 00:25:17.735 --> 00:25:23.415 feel good to play well yep yep and roster construction plays a big part it's 00:25:23.415 --> 00:25:28.415 huge yeah but also i think like what we're gonna go through this week and, 00:25:29.135 --> 00:25:34.995 i think everywhere there's probably five six seven kids that could be on varsity 00:25:34.995 --> 00:25:39.315 niche, probably be on JV, but you want to choose program kids. 00:25:40.355 --> 00:25:44.195 Like again, Redwood boys team, I know the MC boys team, just because I was around 00:25:44.195 --> 00:25:46.375 them last year, they might play 12 kids this year. 00:25:46.795 --> 00:25:50.075 And girls basketball, that just doesn't really happen. Redwood's probably the 00:25:50.075 --> 00:25:54.995 best two in the league, and I would say they're seven or eight deep. Maybe seven. 00:25:56.180 --> 00:25:59.100 So it's really important to fill the back end of the roster with kids that 00:25:59.100 --> 00:26:02.220 just great great kids energy givers 00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:05.140 happy to be there excited to learn 00:26:05.140 --> 00:26:08.300 and they bring something other than minutes because 00:26:08.300 --> 00:26:11.220 they won't bring minutes well it's it's an 00:26:11.220 --> 00:26:14.020 interesting uh balance to strike and 00:26:14.020 --> 00:26:16.860 i'm going to get to you now dave denean um because you 00:26:16.860 --> 00:26:19.680 are a guy who uh you were 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:22.920 used to trying out and earning your spot and 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:26.060 not being given anything right and 00:26:26.060 --> 00:26:28.880 um like i can example my san 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:31.680 domenico team last year we had 11 or 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.620 12 on the roster technically but i had some kids who were injured i had one 00:26:34.620 --> 00:26:39.640 kid who was injured all year so we very seldom had 10 at practice so sometimes 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:44.080 i was needing to drag my at that time 49 year old butt out to the court and 00:26:44.080 --> 00:26:51.440 played so we could play five whatever i was 49 and 49 and 15 13ths um. 00:26:52.804 --> 00:26:57.124 You know, to be able to play five on five is actually really important. 00:26:58.264 --> 00:27:01.864 Yeah. Just like we could do all the greatest two on two, three on three drills. 00:27:01.984 --> 00:27:03.464 I love doing small sided games. 00:27:03.764 --> 00:27:06.804 But at some point, you need to give your kids a simulated five on five environment 00:27:06.804 --> 00:27:09.444 because that's what they're going to play like in the real games. 00:27:09.904 --> 00:27:13.304 So you want to have enough numbers where you can have a good five on five battle 00:27:13.304

--> 00:27:17.444 and the bottom end of your roster playing hard and contributing to practice 00:27:17.444 --> 00:27:18.864 and making the starters better. 00:27:19.924 --> 00:27:22.564 And Dave Dineen, I'm going to hand it off to you. How did you approach, 00:27:23.224 --> 00:27:26.164 you know, for example, you walked on at a division one school, 00:27:26.164 --> 00:27:27.904 you had to earn your spot. 00:27:28.064 --> 00:27:30.304 How did you approach that first week of practice where you're, 00:27:30.464 --> 00:27:31.504 you got to earn your spot? 00:27:32.304 --> 00:27:35.524 Yeah. I mean, I was just a skinny kid from Wren County who wanted to keep playing 00:27:35.524 --> 00:27:37.604 basketball, kind of like everybody at this table. 00:27:37.864 --> 00:27:40.484 And there's a lot of things that go on. If you're a walk on, 00:27:40.584 --> 00:27:44.224 you really can't be late. You can't be sick. You can't be hurt. You can't be injured. 00:27:44.504 --> 00:27:46.904 You're going to get beat up every day in practice. 00:27:47.624 --> 00:27:50.924 Still to this day, both of my coaches in college, Tom Mitchell at Santa Rosa 00:27:50.924 --> 00:27:54.344 Junior college and Steve Beeson at Cal Poly Slow, rest in peace. 00:27:54.504 --> 00:27:58.484 Both of them had every chance to cut me and they probably should have, 00:27:58.504 --> 00:28:03.424 but if you kind of get along with players and you try and you don't screw up 00:28:03.424 --> 00:28:06.644 and you're never an issue off the court, 00:28:07.284 --> 00:28:10.424 you know, you have a chance to make a basketball team. 00:28:10.624 --> 00:28:12.844 So, you know, Tony and Tom are talking about, they don't want to cut people. 00:28:13.084 --> 00:28:16.044 If you kind of just hang around, things can happen over the course of a college 00:28:16.044 --> 00:28:21.544 or any basketball season. People get hurt, They get in the doghouse and things 00:28:21.544 --> 00:28:23.604 can happen where you just might end up playing. 00:28:23.944 --> 00:28:26.464 And that can be in the eighth grade, 12th grade, wherever. 00:28:26.884 --> 00:28:31.444 Yeah. So, but my junior college coach definitely should have cut me. 00:28:32.584 --> 00:28:36.744 I think, I think listening to Dave talk, I think your coach, 00:28:36.904 --> 00:28:40.344 your high school coach, Coach T is by far, he was the master. 00:28:40.684 --> 00:28:43.404 Brett Tavani. Brett Tavani. Shout out to coach. 00:28:45.260 --> 00:28:48.220 He's the master of building kids up. 00:28:48.340 --> 00:28:52.260 When you watch his teams play, he'd play kids in November and December, 00:28:52.260 --> 00:28:55.600 and you'd say, who the hell is that kid? No idea who they are. 00:28:56.140 --> 00:29:02.320 And then in February, they'd be playing major minutes in big-time roles at the end of games. 00:29:02.340 --> 00:29:07.360 And that's really, really hard to do as a coach because we're still human, 00:29:07.360 --> 00:29:09.160 and we want to win on game nights. 00:29:09.300 --> 00:29:13.220 And so taking the risks at that point, that can be tough. And Coach T was a 00:29:13.220 --> 00:29:15.100 master of that, so I'm sure you live some of that. 00:29:15.260 --> 00:29:19.340 Do you have guys on your high school team that were, that you guys were surprised played? 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:24.160 Sure. Yeah. I mean, like you're saying, Coach Devonny was great motivator and 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:28.620 got everybody to get on the same page, which you look at it, that's 35 years ago. 00:29:28.940 --> 00:29:33.780 That's pre-analytics, shot selection, scheduling, all that. 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:39.120 But I spent time with him last night and he's definitely been a mentor for me over the years. 00:29:41.047 --> 00:29:44.707 Sorry, if I could just dive in on that roster construction. I haven't built 00:29:44.707 --> 00:29:47.247 a roster at a high school level, but I imagine it's different. 00:29:47.467 --> 00:29:52.567 You see why you have to take only kids from that grade and you are supposed to take 10. 00:29:52.867 --> 00:29:58.687 In fourth grade with the class as a current senior, I took 12 because I wanted 12 for practice. 00:29:59.247 --> 00:30:03.207 But it backfired a little bit because you added everybody minimum time and nobody 00:30:03.207 --> 00:30:07.507 got enough time. But at the high school level, what I'm seeing is it must be very challenging. 00:30:07.587 --> 00:30:10.887 I'd be interested to hear what kick in and Tony have to say about it in debut as well. 00:30:12.267 --> 00:30:16.707 The 15th kid or the 12th kid or whoever it is, that kid is unlikely to play. 00:30:16.847 --> 00:30:20.047 And if they surprise you, that's a win for everybody. but are 00:30:20.047 --> 00:30:23.047 you taking are you choosing a junior 00:30:23.047 --> 00:30:26.187 who has some potential over a senior who 00:30:26.187 --> 00:30:31.787 has some toughness do you want a guard to pick up full do you want a big boy 00:30:31.787 --> 00:30:35.687 to hit everybody like what how do you even make those decisions do you do you 00:30:35.687 --> 00:30:39.767 just i want i don't care how big they are how small they are what position they 00:30:39.767 --> 00:30:45.047 play a kid that doesn't complain and has parents behind them that will say, 00:30:45.247 --> 00:30:50.107 you're doing what the team needs from you, if that's sitting on the bench or what, and you just... 00:30:52.606 --> 00:30:55.466 Guess Brett Devaney was this way but if kids 00:30:55.466 --> 00:30:58.386 are showing up and giving their max effort and they're good program kids 00:30:58.386 --> 00:31:01.906 they deserve an opportunity like I think I played 10 00:31:01.906 --> 00:31:04.806 kids in the first quarter of the state championship game last year 00:31:04.806 --> 00:31:07.486 out of 11 and the 00:31:07.486 --> 00:31:10.526 11th was a senior who showed up to everything great attitude but 00:31:10.526 --> 00:31:13.306 she just physically

didn't match up 00:31:13.306 --> 00:31:16.266 and she knew that but the other 10 00:31:16.266 --> 00:31:19.026 they all knew like any night could be 00:31:19.026 --> 00:31:22.266 any we had Izzy we had CeCe and 00:31:22.266 --> 00:31:25.366 Brooke they were all pretty solid but any night Bailey 00:31:25.366 --> 00:31:28.146 Brush could just come in and be a force Neela Ryan could 00:31:28.146 --> 00:31:31.006 come in and have 10 rebounds like kid that 00:31:31.006 --> 00:31:34.486 probably scored four points all year four rebounds or eight rebounds 00:31:34.486 --> 00:31:37.486 or whatever and it's huge or Michaela Marston if Santa's 00:31:37.486 --> 00:31:40.426 in foul trouble like those back four or 00:31:40.426 --> 00:31:45.226 five kids on the roster were so huge because I don't think it was me I just 00:31:45.226 --> 00:31:49.066 think anybody watching knew that they deserved the opportunity to get a chance 00:31:49.066 --> 00:31:53.066 and if that game wasn't their chance they were rooting for that that other kid 00:31:53.066 --> 00:31:57.186 because maybe the next game was their chance i don't know i just if you're showing 00:31:57.186 --> 00:31:59.906 up and doing what i ask you deserve an opportunity. 00:32:01.662 --> 00:32:03.702 Well, I was just going to say, Tom, your Redwood team, I mean, 00:32:03.802 --> 00:32:07.322 so KK, your MC team last year was a great example of that, which is just an 00:32:07.322 --> 00:32:12.282 ideal thing for a coach as a coaching example of just always be ready, right? 00:32:12.542 --> 00:32:15.722 It was a masterclass and you would shuttle kids in and out of games, 00:32:16.322 --> 00:32:20.202 critical games, packed gyms, high stress situations, and you're bringing in 00:32:20.202 --> 00:32:22.422 kids who don't get a ton of playing time, but they know, okay, 00:32:22.502 --> 00:32:25.702 I got to get one stop, you know, or I got to, I got to make one play. 00:32:26.342 --> 00:32:27.182 Duffy's delivering beers. 00:32:28.162 --> 00:32:30.862 You know, I got to, I have to make one stop and then i 00:32:30.862 --> 00:32:33.882 can earn you know more minutes on the floor or that's 00:32:33.882 --> 00:32:36.882 just what the team needs right and tom i 00:32:36.882 --> 00:32:39.522 remember some of your redwood games last year you guys 00:32:39.522 --> 00:32:42.662 had a really good team you obviously had one dominant player 00:32:42.662 --> 00:32:47.702 one of the best players in the country but you had guys who would show up okay 00:32:47.702 --> 00:32:53.582 and how are you be given opportunity late in the game we have our first fan 00:32:53.582 --> 00:32:55.202 day yeah i know our first fan we 00:32:55.202 --> 00:32:59.782 had beers delivery it's shockingly it was she'll be an in a couple years. 00:32:59.982 --> 00:33:03.302 So KK has been parted and she has a fan. The rest of us are, 00:33:03.402 --> 00:33:04.122 I don't know why we're here. 00:33:05.362 --> 00:33:08.462 Pretty much. I'm here for cheese fries. Yeah, pretty much. 00:33:08.962 --> 00:33:13.742 Yeah, Dave, I understand what you're saying. Redwood, it's an interesting point I think Tony made. 00:33:14.042 --> 00:33:18.942 Redwood has 2,000 kids, so it changes everything about everything because I 00:33:18.942 --> 00:33:21.682 would assume, I guess I'll just go historically instead of this year. 00:33:23.241 --> 00:33:27.541 Year-round, fantastic kids who excelled at CYO and excelled at all levels. 00:33:28.141 --> 00:33:32.261 You know, there's only so much room. And then once you're on the team, 00:33:32.381 --> 00:33:34.761 there's only so much room to play. 00:33:35.181 --> 00:33:38.161 Last year, you know, when we played Archie and Duffy was coaching there, 00:33:38.561 --> 00:33:42.281 I think our superpower in that game was our bench. We were able to go nine deep. 00:33:42.581 --> 00:33:45.541 And you can go nine, ten deep at Redwood since I've been around. 00:33:45.701 --> 00:33:46.741 Certainly this year you could. 00:33:47.161 --> 00:33:49.821 Now maybe those kids aren't scoring, but they're boxing out. 00:33:49.941 --> 00:33:50.621 They're diving on the floor. 00:33:50.741 --> 00:33:53.821 They're rebounding. they're defensively capable which is 00:33:53.821 --> 00:33:56.501 super important so we put them 00:33:56.501 --> 00:33:59.881 out there and archie you know my my historical 00:33:59.881 --> 00:34:02.741 look at that game which duffy has a better perspective on 00:34:02.741 --> 00:34:05.561 uh was that we had a 00:34:05.561 --> 00:34:09.081 little bit more juice and of course we had tt the top three player in marine 00:34:09.081 --> 00:34:12.421 county history so that that helps quite a bit but there was a point in that 00:34:12.421 --> 00:34:17.401 game where we subbed in uh two kids who had played very very limited minutes 00:34:17.401 --> 00:34:21.341 and it was an immediate run for us and they didn't do anything If you didn't 00:34:21.341 --> 00:34:23.361 notice them, if you watched the tape, you wouldn't know any better. 00:34:24.736 --> 00:34:29.016 The defenders didn't pick up the cuts. The defenders didn't pick up the break. 00:34:29.356 --> 00:34:35.156 They just, 15% reduction in your ability to create output. And it was the difference it felt like. 00:34:36.336 --> 00:34:40.256 Sorry, to cut one more thing there, being ready. I think that's part of my job. 00:34:40.416 --> 00:34:43.096 I'm trying to learn how to be an assistant. But part of my job is making sure 00:34:43.096 --> 00:34:44.136 everyone on the bench is ready. 00:34:44.476 --> 00:34:46.916 So I'll walk down the bench and just slap them on the knees. 00:34:47.016 --> 00:34:48.116 Like, hey, hey, hey, bounce your feet. 00:34:48.296 --> 00:34:50.616 Bounce your feet. You should be sweating. You have to have blood flow. 00:34:50.696 --> 00:34:51.616 You can't go out there cold. 00:34:51.616 --> 00:34:56.976 And when you when you go to sub them in do you say like you might just get one down

and back, 00:34:57.596 --> 00:35:00.436 i don't jay handles so so i don't but 00:35:00.436 --> 00:35:03.276 when i talk to him i say you might not play tonight 00:35:03.276 --> 00:35:08.556 you might play 15 so just be the best version of you and i think that's part 00:35:08.556 --> 00:35:11.896 of my job as an assistant is trying to be the best assistant i can be so i'm 00:35:11.896 --> 00:35:15.716 and i think that's what actually i relate to them on you have a job and i have 00:35:15.716 --> 00:35:20.256 a job i'm not your boss i'm sort of a i'm learning that an assistant is sort 00:35:20.256 --> 00:35:23.096 of a teammate more than a coach. I call it being a cool uncle. 00:35:23.516 --> 00:35:26.036 Wow, yeah. Uncle. Uncle. 00:35:27.056 --> 00:35:32.596 Yeah. Be ready. What's the saying? Be ready so you don't have to get ready. Yeah. That's a skill. 00:35:33.116 --> 00:35:36.516 That's a skill for a player to be ready all the time. 00:35:37.496 --> 00:35:41.876 Just thinking, I've reevaluated how I coach my team based on watching KK coach 00:35:41.876 --> 00:35:45.136 last year and based on the success that her team's had and watching her play 00:35:45.136 --> 00:35:49.116 girls that I probably would have had a hard time playing. Granted, 00:35:49.156 --> 00:35:52.076 I wasn't in her practices every day, so I'd go off the film. 00:35:53.318 --> 00:35:57.458 But just the fact that she got buy-in from everybody, got them into games, 00:35:57.478 --> 00:35:59.358 and still won at a high club. 00:36:00.058 --> 00:36:05.038 And I think the senior you said that didn't play much, I think she took the 00:36:05.038 --> 00:36:07.538 last dribble of the game. I think she had the ball at the end of the game, right? 00:36:07.718 --> 00:36:12.678 Yeah, she ended our season. But I think about that, like what you're saying 00:36:12.678 --> 00:36:18.458 is it's really important to step back and understand, like it is just basketball 00:36:18.458 --> 00:36:22.158 and it is just high school girls' sports. 00:36:22.158 --> 00:36:26.518 Like, what is it giving the number 12 kid 30 seconds? 00:36:27.707 --> 00:36:30.067 You don't need to put them in and yank them, but say, hey, you're going in to 00:36:30.067 --> 00:36:33.567 get one rebound and then you're coming out. You're going in to help Izzy. 00:36:33.707 --> 00:36:35.267 You're going in to help Delaney. 00:36:35.447 --> 00:36:39.847 You're going in to help whoever, like Abby needs a 30 second break. 00:36:40.027 --> 00:36:43.967 You need to go be your best Abby right now and give her 30. 00:36:44.627 --> 00:36:48.567 And when you, when Abby comes back in for you, like you hype her up. 00:36:49.007 --> 00:36:53.127 That's so important. I would always tell my kids, you're going to go in for 00:36:53.127 --> 00:36:55.167 maybe 10 seconds on the clock. 00:36:55.167 --> 00:36:59.567 It might feel like two, it might feel like two hours, but that time you're in 00:36:59.567 --> 00:37:04.447 the game, like just bring energy and positivity and I had kids going and they 00:37:04.447 --> 00:37:05.407 couldn't even catch a basketball. 00:37:05.947 --> 00:37:09.467 I think that was Bailey Rush, NorCal championship game. I saw her, 00:37:09.507 --> 00:37:11.687 I'm like, dude, just give it your best one minute. 00:37:12.407 --> 00:37:16.447 Cece needs a break. She goes in the game, ball goes right through her hands out of bounds. 00:37:16.867 --> 00:37:21.747 But instead of like yanking her, like I was expecting it. She's a freshman playing in a huge game. 00:37:22.207 --> 00:37:24.967 And then she gets an awesome stop and then she comes out and it's like, 00:37:24.967 --> 00:37:26.547 you did exactly what you were supposed to do. 00:37:27.047 --> 00:37:29.027 How do we feel about, how do we 00:37:29.027 --> 00:37:32.667 feel about the kids these days and their willingness to take on that role? 00:37:33.007 --> 00:37:36.307 Because I think that's, I think that's changed. I think it's really hard. 00:37:36.567 --> 00:37:41.247 Kids now have more things to do at their disposal, or at least they think they do. 00:37:41.727 --> 00:37:45.907 So they're not willing to commit the time. I, I, I've found less kids willing 00:37:45.907 --> 00:37:48.347 to commit the time to take on that role. 00:37:48.467 --> 00:37:51.307 And that's a challenge as a coach, being able to make that important. 00:37:51.487 --> 00:37:58.127 Well, they could be like mediocre TikTokers or mediocre e-bikers or mediocre in class. 00:37:58.307 --> 00:38:03.347 You need to convince them that they could be mediocre in basketball and that's really awesome. 00:38:04.661 --> 00:38:10.181 Being mediocre at basketball is hard for a lot of kids. KK, the question I have is, as a coach, 00:38:11.241 --> 00:38:14.541 my college coach used to say misery loves company, so kind of like what Tony 00:38:14.541 --> 00:38:18.761 was saying, how do you keep that 9th, 10th, 11th player who's only going in 00:38:18.761 --> 00:38:23.881 for 30 seconds from not like those three at the end of the bench just complaining the whole time? 00:38:23.881 --> 00:38:25.881 How do you keep them on board for 00:38:25.881 --> 00:38:28.841 four months when they're only playing a minute at a time? I have no idea. 00:38:29.381 --> 00:38:31.901 You must be doing some right. I don't limit them at practice. 00:38:32.441 --> 00:38:36.221 Like I've said earlier every kid deserves an opportunity if they do what you 00:38:36.221 --> 00:38:40.381 ask if they don't do what I ask I tell them you're not doing what I ask like 00:38:40.381 --> 00:38:42.801 we need to fix this am I not being 00:38:42.801 --> 00:38:46.641 clear or do you not want to do it like what's the disconnect and then, 00:38:47.241 --> 00:38:50.961 figure it out you had great leadership at the top of your roster too I think that could. 00:38:51.981 --> 00:38:58.561 Motivate those hits I disagree your best player motivated me it's awesome I 00:38:58.561 --> 00:39:04.621 think

CCB is like I had one so I think first of all, I've talked to Tony about this. 00:39:04.681 --> 00:39:07.321 I don't think I'll ever win State again. I don't think I'm like a genius. 00:39:07.461 --> 00:39:11.841 I don't think, but I think I just had such an awesome roster of kids last year. 00:39:12.361 --> 00:39:16.361 And my leader, CCB, was a JV kid. 00:39:16.941 --> 00:39:21.321 She was, she's a solid basketball player. She's okay, but she does every sport. 00:39:21.601 --> 00:39:27.121 She is just the goofiest, most outgoing, no cool jacket, doesn't care what people 00:39:27.121 --> 00:39:31.781 think of her, plays basketball with her tongue out and giggles the entire time, 00:39:31.881 --> 00:39:34.641 but she works her face off. And that was contagious. 00:39:35.001 --> 00:39:39.621 Well, one observation on CeCe, but your whole team is as coaches, 00:39:39.761 --> 00:39:42.541 we love to talk about body language and how important that is. 00:39:43.041 --> 00:39:47.561 And she's a perfect example of a kid whose body language didn't change whether she had... 00:39:48.358 --> 00:39:53.258 Scoring 25 or was 0 for 15. She was just unfazed. Floor slapper. 00:39:53.558 --> 00:39:56.678 She's a floor slapper. Floor slapper, played defense, did the little things, 00:39:57.178 --> 00:39:59.418 was incredible. I mean, it's funny, we're talking about this. 00:39:59.778 --> 00:40:02.938 Last night, so Tony and I were commiserating about the Dodgers. 00:40:03.418 --> 00:40:06.978 Northern California podcast, we're not Dodger fans, but biggest play of the 00:40:06.978 --> 00:40:09.818 game last night, well, there were many games, but game seven against the Blue 00:40:09.818 --> 00:40:13.178 Jays is the number nine hitter on the Dodgers who hadn't done anything, 00:40:13.758 --> 00:40:17.138 hits a home run in the bottom of the ninth or top of the ninth to tie the game. 00:40:17.518 --> 00:40:21.018 Right? They were overlooking him. They were getting ready to face Otani, 00:40:21.138 --> 00:40:24.358 the best player in the world, and the number nine hitter hits a homer to send 00:40:24.358 --> 00:40:25.098 the game to extra innings. 00:40:25.138 --> 00:40:29.758 And they made a huge play at second base and threw the force out of the plate too. So you never know. 00:40:30.018 --> 00:40:32.198 I mean, this guy wasn't even on the roster for part of the season. 00:40:32.998 --> 00:40:35.758 And I'm thinking about a game that I had last year at San Domenico, 00:40:36.098 --> 00:40:39.558 one of the lower kids on our roster who never played. We had injuries. 00:40:39.738 --> 00:40:44.358 She was put in the game. And I told her, all we need you to do is just move 00:40:44.358 --> 00:40:45.618 the ball. Don't turn it over. 00:40:46.138 --> 00:40:48.738 Be strong with it and move the ball. and get it to our scorers. 00:40:48.838 --> 00:40:50.138 And she did that, and we ended up winning the game. 00:40:50.258 --> 00:40:55.098 And I said at the end of the game in

my post-game speech, you don't think you did a lot? You did a ton. 00:40:55.598 --> 00:40:58.958 Just by facilitating, moving the ball from one side of the floor to the other, that helped our team. 00:40:59.338 --> 00:41:03.738 So your role doesn't have to be score 25 a game. It can be get a stop, 00:41:04.118 --> 00:41:06.338 move the ball, get a rebound, little things. 00:41:06.818 --> 00:41:11.258 And Tom, back to where we started, where you're talking about fundamentals, 00:41:11.518 --> 00:41:15.958 playing off two feet, being strong with the ball, pivot, pivot, those little things. 00:41:15.958 --> 00:41:20.378 If you get buy-in top to bottom on your roster, kids doing that, 00:41:20.998 --> 00:41:24.118 KK, your team last year, everybody's coming to two-foot jumpstops and playing 00:41:24.118 --> 00:41:26.038 strong with the ball. Everybody on your team. 00:41:27.113 --> 00:41:30.593 Well, we did it every day, like till we were blue in the face. They hated it. 00:41:30.913 --> 00:41:36.113 I actually texted the girls returning at MC, all of them. I think there's seven. 00:41:36.693 --> 00:41:40.173 We're in a group chat. And I said, you know, have fun tomorrow. 00:41:40.733 --> 00:41:43.533 You guys are so lucky. You don't have to do jump, stop passing, 00:41:43.993 --> 00:41:47.053 monkey in the middle and two on two passing. That's how we started every day. 00:41:47.573 --> 00:41:53.633 And it was like funny to them. But I hope Rachel does some her own variation of it. 00:41:53.693 --> 00:41:56.553 But it's so we did it every day. So that's why they did it. 00:41:57.593 --> 00:42:00.513 Like they didn't just go out and do it to do 00:42:00.513 --> 00:42:03.633 it like we practiced that well i think there's a list 00:42:03.633 --> 00:42:06.673 of things that everybody has to be good at and then 00:42:06.673 --> 00:42:09.793 and that's a team philosophy that 00:42:09.793 --> 00:42:14.653 you make decisions on roster selection and construction on if you don't work 00:42:14.653 --> 00:42:17.793 hard you don't make the team if you're incapable of sitting in a stance you 00:42:17.793 --> 00:42:21.173 don't make the team i'm not talking about any specific team but those are everybody 00:42:21.173 --> 00:42:25.173 should do these things unless you have some unique skill of it allows you to 00:42:25.173 --> 00:42:27.233 stand out. But even then, it's just a point of frustration. 00:42:27.893 --> 00:42:32.193 But then beyond that, everybody has their own specific individual skills. 00:42:32.533 --> 00:42:35.713 And so I always encourage kids to write down what they're bad at. 00:42:36.093 --> 00:42:39.553 KK and I coached a team together last year. Was that the fall? Spring. 00:42:40.693 --> 00:42:45.133 And a lot of it was like me just talking to Hakeem about whatever. 00:42:45.333 --> 00:42:49.953 And half the girls aren't listening and half are. But I think the takeaway there was go home, 00:42:50.073 --> 00:42:53.253 write down on a piece paper what are your five worst qualities 00:42:53.253 --> 00:42:56.113 and don't do anything else until you fix those five 00:42:56.113 --> 00:42:59.093 so let's give our friend tony 00:42:59.093 --> 00:43:03.373 butler a chance to plug his amazing business 00:43:03.373 --> 00:43:08.153 not a sponsor yet but tony you created all net mindset our branson team was 00:43:08.153 --> 00:43:11.653 a was a client and we we loved it and this is this is what you're what you do 00:43:11.653 --> 00:43:15.893 you're right you're helping kids approach the mental side of the game it's so 00:43:15.893 --> 00:43:20.393 critical discuss because you the things that you preach i love it journaling, 00:43:21.473 --> 00:43:24.253 recovering from adversity, talk about it. 00:43:26.618 --> 00:43:35.418 Yeah, I started the business more as just a mechanism to help our kids because 00:43:35.418 --> 00:43:39.638 what I found is even though the 00:43:39.638 --> 00:43:41.998 girls that I've been coaching were having success, we were winning games, 00:43:42.058 --> 00:43:49.758 they still weren't having as much fun with it, and they weren't seeing the experience 00:43:49.758 --> 00:43:52.098 for what it really is, a lot of what KK's talking about. 00:43:52.098 --> 00:43:59.778 And I committed to coming back to the table this year with just some strategies 00:43:59.778 --> 00:44:06.058 to help these kids balance their life experience mentally, 00:44:06.058 --> 00:44:09.618 but also just empower them to have their best experience when they're playing. 00:44:09.618 --> 00:44:13.678 And so what I learned and what I'm teaching them is to, I'm hearing, 00:44:13.798 --> 00:44:17.798 I've heard a lot of the buzzwords in our conversations, but just like say, 00:44:17.978 --> 00:44:20.638 picking the things that they need to work on and focusing on that. 00:44:20.758 --> 00:44:25.738 But also like the human brain has a negativity bias, right? We always lean towards some negatives. 00:44:25.898 --> 00:44:29.078 So it's really easy to kind of search out for the things you don't do well. 00:44:29.258 --> 00:44:33.518 And it takes a lot of hard work to practice finding the good things that you did well. 00:44:34.318 --> 00:44:38.838 And I just, I wanted to get better at helping them see those things because it's, 00:44:38.898 --> 00:44:42.798 it's, that's a life skill it's not just a basketball skill and i 00:44:42.798 --> 00:44:45.738 i felt i feel like a lot of girls are walking away 00:44:45.738 --> 00:44:50.698 from basketball because maybe it's in this like like ties into maybe some club 00:44:50.698 --> 00:44:56.338 stuff but social media and the spotlight that's put on them you know like you 00:44:56.338 --> 00:44:58.638 hear girls say i don't want to guard her because i don't want to get my ankles 00:44:58.638 --> 00:45:02.838 broken on instagram and you know that's really unfortunate because they're all 00:45:02.838 --> 00:45:05.718 they're thinking about is that one moment they

could go for 20 and eight, 00:45:05.918 --> 00:45:10.538 but all they're going to remember is that video that gets put out on the highlight 00:45:10.538 --> 00:45:13.238 reel of them getting their ankles broken. And I just think it's really unfortunate. 00:45:13.418 --> 00:45:16.838 So I just, you know, the idea is to be able to give them some tools. 00:45:17.018 --> 00:45:20.378 I'm not a, I'm not a doctor. I don't have a degree and all that. 00:45:20.458 --> 00:45:21.778 It's just giving them some tools. 00:45:23.413 --> 00:45:26.233 To have a better experience. And so like, yeah, like with the Branson girls, we 00:45:26.233 --> 00:45:30.473 talked about some visualization and seeing positive positivity and being able 00:45:30.473 --> 00:45:35.453 to kind of get in touch with like what they really want to get out of the experience 00:45:35.453 --> 00:45:39.733 and mistake rituals and being able to bounce back and from mistakes and not 00:45:39.733 --> 00:45:44.973 let that not ruminate and allow that to impact the entire night of their experience. 00:45:45.153 --> 00:45:47.833 So I don't know if they got something out of it. 00:45:48.433 --> 00:45:51.653 The thing that I think you got the Branson girls, 00:45:51.653 --> 00:45:54.373 which I'm sure you taught them a lot but one thing that 00:45:54.373 --> 00:45:57.293 I've recognized is that at least our 00:45:57.293 --> 00:46:00.053 girls I didn't really have this at MC I'm sure it's 00:46:00.053 --> 00:46:03.413 probably not as much anywhere else except for Branson but these kids 00:46:03.413 --> 00:46:08.233 are traveling far they leave at 6 a.m they don't get home till 10 they're doing 00:46:08.233 --> 00:46:12.253 dance they're doing basketball they're doing accounting after school they're 00:46:12.253 --> 00:46:17.333 in the finance club they are non-stop like and what you taught them I think 00:46:17.333 --> 00:46:20.073 was just to take a second it could be three minutes, 00:46:20.353 --> 00:46:24.833 30 seconds just to breathe and appreciate and figure out where you are. 00:46:24.953 --> 00:46:28.733 Like be where your feet are is so important, especially for our girls. 00:46:28.873 --> 00:46:30.533 I mean, they're like they're on the go. 00:46:31.930 --> 00:46:35.410 If we're going from practice to weights or open gym to weights and we've got 00:46:35.410 --> 00:46:37.730 a 15-minute gap, they're sitting down doing homework. 00:46:38.430 --> 00:46:43.090 It blows my mind how incredible they are as just humans. 00:46:43.570 --> 00:46:48.030 Yeah, I mean, they're overloaded. And I think that's it. 00:46:48.110 --> 00:46:50.510 That's a really important skill that we should be teaching our kids, 00:46:50.570 --> 00:46:55.170 even your own sons and daughters, and just how to decipher what's important 00:46:55.170 --> 00:46:59.630 in their life and then kind of decide what they need to be doing when. 00:46:59.630 --> 00:47:04.490 And being okay with some stress and being okay with knowing what that means, 00:47:04.690 --> 00:47:09.190 but then navigating it to a place where they can enjoy actually just their existence. 00:47:09.210 --> 00:47:11.390 Because I see it with my own daughter. 00:47:11.530 --> 00:47:15.550 Sometimes it feels like they are just, they're not smelling the roses at all. 00:47:15.630 --> 00:47:18.090 They're just constantly one place to another. 00:47:18.290 --> 00:47:21.970 And it's hard as a basketball coach to try to get into the gym and try to say, 00:47:22.070 --> 00:47:23.150 let's have fun and have a good time. 00:47:23.290 --> 00:47:26.810 When we know the moment they, before they walked in, they're worried about it. 00:47:28.473 --> 00:47:33.213 An AP history test. And then they got to get on a bus and then they got to get up in the morning. 00:47:33.373 --> 00:47:37.193 And, you know, it's just like, when we're trying to teach the enjoyment of basketball, 00:47:37.353 --> 00:47:39.153 that looks different than it did 20 years ago. 00:47:39.753 --> 00:47:42.773 Tony, the gentleman I played for at San Rosa Junior College, 00:47:42.953 --> 00:47:45.413 his name was Tom Mitchell, and he had a PhD in psychology. 00:47:46.093 --> 00:47:50.253 And I laugh with people to this day. We never ran a play in two years. 00:47:50.493 --> 00:47:53.793 We never lifted a weight. We sat back in two, three zone. 00:47:54.213 --> 00:47:59.113 His whole thing was the power of the mind. Like I got up there and he's all, 00:47:59.213 --> 00:48:01.873 Dave, you will begin to make three pointers. 00:48:02.533 --> 00:48:06.853 I'm all right, man, I guess so. I mean, and he would have us close our eyes 00:48:06.853 --> 00:48:10.033 and we'd kind of just ball at practice. 00:48:10.213 --> 00:48:14.273 Now we had some good players, but his whole thing was, he ended up being the 00:48:14.273 --> 00:48:16.833 head shrink for the Warriors and got to know Phil Jackson. 00:48:17.013 --> 00:48:22.493 And his whole thing was being positive and like, you will, will the ball into 00:48:22.493 --> 00:48:24.253 the basket when you shoot it in transition. 00:48:24.473 --> 00:48:28.673 I'm like, it was just, he was a different guy, but he won games with it. 00:48:28.813 --> 00:48:33.053 And we didn't run a play for two years. For the record, Phil's a listener of the pod, right, Tuffy? 00:48:34.073 --> 00:48:36.953 Hi, Phil. Yeah, hi, Phil. Well, I appreciate that because I'm actually halfway 00:48:36.953 --> 00:48:39.073 through the first two episodes of season three right now. 00:48:39.173 --> 00:48:42.153 I'm halfway through the Kelly Starrett one and halfway through the Tasha Jackson one. 00:48:42.533 --> 00:48:45.853 And I like that you guys re-released those because Kelly's talking, 00:48:46.033 --> 00:48:49.233 I know you brought Kelly on to talk about mobility and strength training and 00:48:49.233 --> 00:48:52.653 all that, but he's actually not. He's talking about mental preparation. And so is Tasha. 00:48:53.860 --> 00:48:58.380

And I just, personal anecdote, when I'm comfortable and happy and prepared, 00:48:58.380 --> 00:49:01.520 I'm significantly better than when I'm nervous, tight, worried. 00:49:01.740 --> 00:49:07.080 So how do you send kids out there in high-pressure situations with fear everywhere 00:49:07.080 --> 00:49:11.160 and 2,000 people in the gym and have them be loose and free and happy? 00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:15.620 And I had a side conversation with Tasha about that very same thing when KK and I were coaching. 00:49:16.240 --> 00:49:18.300 And it's not complicated. 00:49:19.060 --> 00:49:23.060 It's pretty straightforward. Yeah. But when you're screaming and yelling and 00:49:23.060 --> 00:49:26.420 trying to win, it's hard to take a breath and slow down and do it the right way. 00:49:26.560 --> 00:49:30.020 So we talked about this recently, Tom, we were at dinner with some friends and 00:49:30.020 --> 00:49:37.600 we rehashed a great moment was your eighth grade CYO championship game, right? 00:49:37.660 --> 00:49:41.280 Where you had a really good team and you're playing a really good team and you're 00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:44.060 kind of the favor going in and you're getting blitzed. 00:49:44.160 --> 00:49:47.540 You're down 20 in the first half against the team that's making everything. 00:49:48.180 --> 00:49:50.680 And I was sitting right behind the bench and I remember you, 00:49:50.860 --> 00:49:53.800 and by the way, the kids on your team at that time are now some of the best 00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:59.020 players in the MCAL, but you said, you're down 20, their kids are shell-shocked. You said, we're fine. 00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:02.500 We're winning this game. You looked at every kid in the eye and you said, 00:50:02.580 --> 00:50:04.220 we're winning this game. Relax. 00:50:04.780 --> 00:50:09.000 Yeah, there's a few things there. I'll start with hubris and arrogance because 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:13.220 the reason we were down, we're down 15, it was 25 to 10 in a CYL game in the 00:50:13.220 --> 00:50:15.900 first quarter, which you don't win that game, obviously. 00:50:16.020 --> 00:50:18.300 25 points in a quarter yeah we were getting kicked. 00:50:19.300 --> 00:50:22.740 Tom's 1-3-1 trap didn't work. Sorry. Well, that's the arrogance. 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:26.440 The arrogance was in the semifinals, we were up huge at half, 00:50:26.500 --> 00:50:32.560 and we had just put in a 1-3-1 trap those two weeks in practice in preparation for the playoffs. 00:50:32.900 --> 00:50:35.880 In the second half against St. Allen's, I got all cocky and arrogant, 00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:40.680 and I said, let's run the 1-3-1 to prepare for the finals. 00:50:41.820 --> 00:50:46.840 And we got scouted, and they were ready for it. And so five straight corner threes later. 00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:53.380 Chase Williams. He was an MC standout in two sports. I think he hit all five quarter threes. 00:50:53.600 --> 00:50:56.600 And if you're going to beat him 1-3-1, you bring it up the right side, 00:50:56.740 --> 00:50:59.920 wait for the trap, chuck it to the corner, and fire away. They got us. 00:51:00.520 --> 00:51:03.860 But yeah, that day was that, Tachiki and I talk about it, I shoot around that 00:51:03.860 --> 00:51:06.760 day. We said, we will be losing tonight, and we will win. 00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:10.520 And whether you believe it or not, you say it. And then in that huddle, 00:51:10.700 --> 00:51:12.840 it was two things. It was, told you we'd be here. 00:51:13.420 --> 00:51:16.980 And I did the, everyone take a deep breath. I said, everyone take a deep breath 00:51:16.980 --> 00:51:20.120 together. the breathe thing, which I think Kelly or maybe Tasha said. 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.760 And then I did that ridiculous. We're going to climb a mountain, 00:51:24.180 --> 00:51:26.260 you know, Alabama kind of speech. 00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:30.500 And, but, uh, I'll quote Mike Sia last night who quoted Jimmy Sia last night. 00:51:30.580 --> 00:51:32.420 And he said, uh, what's the terms of Nina? 00:51:33.560 --> 00:51:38.720 Jockeys never carry a horse across the finish line. We had Chase Hatch and Gabe. You had good players. 00:51:39.020 --> 00:51:44.300 Yeah. All right. So on to your breathe point. KK, take us back to the state championship game. 00:51:44.740 --> 00:51:49.400 Chaotic moment. You guys were up. They go on a run. I remember watching this. Yeah. 00:51:49.780 --> 00:52:01.420 Okay. So here's a PSA for Tony, for Tom, for Jay, for Zach, for Ed at Archie, for anybody. 00:52:01.420 --> 00:52:04.600 Everybody the kids look up to you like everybody says 00:52:04.600 --> 00:52:07.580 oh you're so young and relatable like they all look up to you like 00:52:07.580 --> 00:52:12.540 they look up to you just from personal like i remember when i was in high school 00:52:12.540 --> 00:52:17.660 and i had zach as my coach or mike fulton as my like mike fulton is a fat old 00:52:17.660 --> 00:52:22.720 dude and i was like we love you mike idol like he is my idol could see like 00:52:22.720 --> 00:52:25.600 it wasn't that he was old or fat Like, yeah, 00:52:25.860 --> 00:52:33.920 whatever he was just a legend in my eyes, my PE teacher, my like everybody has somebody to look up to. 00:52:33.980 --> 00:52:36.600 I don't think it matters that I'm 24 and a. 00:52:38.151 --> 00:52:42.931 People look up to you, and you're leading them. So you need to lead by example. 00:52:43.031 --> 00:52:46.311 So if you're stressed out and frantic, they're going to read that energy. They're going to read. 00:52:46.491 --> 00:52:49.551 They're going to look into it. And so I told the kids, every game's the same. 00:52:50.431 --> 00:52:56.231 Every game's the same. Same court, same hoops, same us against them. Yep. 00:52:56.771 --> 00:53:00.171 And the practice before the state game, well, we won on Tuesday in the NorCal 00:53:00.171 --> 00:53:02.631 final, and then I gave them Wednesday off. 00:53:02.791 -->

00:53:06.271 Because at that point, we're just like, practice just hurts us. 00:53:06.271 --> 00:53:09.071 We watched film on thursday and 00:53:09.071 --> 00:53:11.971 maybe practiced for 45 minutes and then we played on 00:53:11.971 --> 00:53:14.911 in that practice we did some drill 00:53:14.911 --> 00:53:18.091 some double team drill they had a six three really 00:53:18.091 --> 00:53:21.971 tall girl who's just gonna pressure us and kill us and we 00:53:21.971 --> 00:53:27.011 just freaked out it was like all hell broke us for some reason this girl really 00:53:27.011 --> 00:53:30.271 scared us so i said okay we're not gonna practice this we just need to breathe 00:53:30.271 --> 00:53:33.671 right now like we are fine we've made it this far there's no reason we can't 00:53:33.671 --> 00:53:37.351 do one more every game's the same let's let's all breathe so we literally spent 00:53:37.351 --> 00:53:39.571 like maybe it was 30 seconds breathing, 00:53:40.391 --> 00:53:43.131 and then in the championship game i don't 00:53:43.131 --> 00:53:45.911 even remember what quarter it was but we just like went on a run 00:53:45.911 --> 00:53:50.551 of turnover turnover freak out freak out freak out like i couldn't find so my 00:53:50.551 --> 00:53:53.611 idea was subbing kids and giving them opportunity i couldn't find five that 00:53:53.611 --> 00:53:57.931 yeah would just settle us down so after not finding five i called a timeout 00:53:57.931 --> 00:54:01.091 i'm like we all just need to breathe like i literally made them close their 00:54:01.091 --> 00:54:05.051 eyes a couple were laughing a couple were like What the hell is she doing? 00:54:05.331 --> 00:54:07.471 And a couple were seriously sitting there and breathing. 00:54:08.408 --> 00:54:13.508 So it helped two kids and it ended up helping the team. I'm willing to say to 00:54:13.508 --> 00:54:18.368 bet that that moment of practice where things were weird and then you stopped 00:54:18.368 --> 00:54:23.448 and breathed was the moment that you prepared for that point of the game. 00:54:23.528 --> 00:54:27.288 Because they experienced it in practice and you kind of warned them. 00:54:27.448 --> 00:54:31.588 So when they experienced it in the game, they were like, well, there it was. 00:54:31.668 --> 00:54:35.368 We've seen it. We've already know it's going to be there and we're still here and we're fine. 00:54:35.368 --> 00:54:38.568 Because that's a like the video i showed your team michael phelps 00:54:38.568 --> 00:54:41.928 he talks about he he does negative visualization it visualizes 00:54:41.928 --> 00:54:44.868 everything in his experience including like his suit ripping 00:54:44.868 --> 00:54:47.548 and all this weird stuff so that when he gets out there's just me in the 00:54:47.548 --> 00:54:50.568 black line at the bottom of the pool and i just muscle memory right and 00:54:50.568 --> 00:54:53.268 i think that's kind of what you did for them without even really knowing you did it 00:54:53.268 --> 00:54:56.548 like you created this panic at practice and prepared 00:54:56.548 --> 00:54:59.528 them for the panic in the game and then they said oh we're ready we got 00:54:59.528 --> 00:55:02.488 this thank you yeah i i think credit to the kids they 00:55:02.488 --> 00:55:05.828 again they listened so the run 00:55:05.828 --> 00:55:09.248 tmc podcast is brought to you by encore custom 00:55:09.248 --> 00:55:14.488 encore custom from the field to the gym and everywhere in between encore custom 00:55:14.488 --> 00:55:19.468 designs high performance team apparel built for athletes coaches and active 00:55:19.468 --> 00:55:25.688 communities each piece is crafted with technical precision modern fits and customizable 00:55:25.688 --> 00:55:28.348 details that bring your team identity to life. 00:55:28.788 --> 00:55:34.068 You can shop their ready-to-wear performance gear online or in-store or create 00:55:34.068 --> 00:55:37.068 custom designs made exclusively for your team. 00:55:37.448 --> 00:55:43.688 Visit EncoreCustom.com, that is EncoreCustom.com, or stop by their headquarters 00:55:43.688 --> 00:55:51.408 at 891 4th Street in lovely San Rafael, California to see where performance meets design. 00:55:51.908 --> 00:55:58.208 The Run TMC podcast is also brought to you by the Nike basketball camps at San 00:55:58.208 --> 00:56:01.008 Domenico School in lovely Sleepy Hollow, California. 00:56:01.917 --> 00:56:06.277 Director Jeff Skaggs has been bringing you the basketball camps at San Domenico 00:56:06.277 --> 00:56:08.277 School for over a quarter century. 00:56:08.457 --> 00:56:14.117 And they're back this fall for three select dates in November and two in December 00:56:14.117 --> 00:56:19.557 for ages 6 to 14 from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m. You can go to U.S. 00:56:20.997 --> 00:56:28.537 SportsCamps.com. 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