Full Transcript for A Missing Nurse. Three Bags. One Horrifying Discovery. | Ingrid Lyne

and identifies himself as John. 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:17.199 When Jorga explains that Ingrid is missing, John says that he thought Ingrid was with her children. 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:23.839 Um, Jorga asks when he last saw her, and he says that they attended the Mariner's game the night before. 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:29.839 He also claims that they didn't spend the night together, but there's something that he doesn't answer. 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:34.720 The actual time he saw Ingrid, Jorga tries again. 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:40.160 She tells him that the police are involved and that you know they need to speak with him. 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:44.160 She asks whether Ingrid mentioned anyone else seeing her. 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:45.279 Silence. 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:46.560 Oh my gosh. 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:48.000 So what do you make of that? 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:50.000 Well, especially if you were her mom. 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:50.959 Are you kidding? 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:51.360 Right. 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:54.240 I'm like, we're we're engaged in conversation. 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:59.199 I've just told you that she didn't come home, and then you all of a sudden stop answering. 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:01.600 No, that's again another red flag. 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:02.560 Right. 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:03.680 I don't know. 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.160 So there is an important distinction. 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:10.959 So again, not responding to a message doesn't prove someone committed a crime. 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:11.759 Right. 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:16.959 Uh, but for investigators trying to build a timeline, that is a big missing piece of information. 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:17.759 Absolutely. 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:20.480 And it it makes you look guilty immediately. 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:21.120 100%. 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:21.680 Yeah. 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:23.120 Just answer the freaking question, man. 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:23.360 Yeah. 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:25.040 Just answer the freaking question. 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:30.160 Um, so this man may have been the last person known to be with Ingrid. 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:39.439 And he's not given the family any clear answers about when they separated, what police are about to discover makes that unanswered question way more significant. 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.879 Oh, just knowing what's coming makes my stomach turn. 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:43.680 Yes. 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:52.399 So at approximately 4 19 that afternoon, Seattle police receive a call about suspected human remains. 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:58.079 The a homeowner in the central district has discovered three garbage bags inside his recycling bin. 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.879 The man who was like, right, really heavy. 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:01.600 Oh god. 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:07.120 Investigators arrive and confirm that the bet the bags contained parts of a human body. 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:10.480 They recover a head and portions of the limbs. 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:12.879 Oh Lord, portions? 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:14.639 Where is everything else? 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:21.360 I know the bin had been empty the day before, which helps narrow the period when the bags could have been left there. 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:24.240 But police start to identify the victim. 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:28.000 And later that evening, detectives learn about the missing woman in Renton. 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:28.959 Ingrid. 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:32.240 Wait, so just remind me, because maybe I misunderstood. 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:38.959 So the recycling bin wasn't one that was just like right outside her house, it was like somewhere else, or was it right outside her house? 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:40.399 No, this was at someone else. 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:42.800 This is nowhere near the house. 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:44.319 Okay, maybe I missed that part. 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:44.560 Okay. 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:48.800 And this this man was like, oh, this recycling bin's heavy. 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:52.160 And then realized, oh, there's human remains. 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:52.959 Oh Lord. 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:53.439 Okay. 00:06:53.680 --> 00:07:02.879 So now the police are there identifying getting the remains and they are identify and they do find out that the remains belong to Ingrid. 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:04.879 Oh, poor Ingrid. 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:05.759 I know. 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:10.160 Amanda, from a medical standpoint, we always like to put in a little bit of something. 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:10.959 Yeah. 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:18.079 What is are the first challenges when a victim's remains are basically recovered in separate pieces? 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:21.360 You know, like while first identifying them, right? 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:21.600 Yeah. 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:25.920 Like, I mean, that would be the first big challenge is identifying them. 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:30.319 I mean, as you know, her head, I mean, you can look at dental records, right? 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.000 Um, if there's hands, you can look at fingerprints. 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:38.959 But beyond that, like, or maybe tattoos, they look for tattoos, right? 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:39.360 Yep. 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:44.720 Um, but other than that, I mean, that's I think the biggest hurdle for sure. 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:45.680 Yeah. 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.800 Well, detectives have a second challenge though. 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:54.800 So now they need to locate, just because they found the remains there, they need to know where the murder actually occurred. 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:55.199 Right. 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:58.639 So because finding remains in recycling bin doesn't mean the killing happened there. 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:02.560 Investigators turn their attentions back to Ingrid's home. 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:07.360 So inside the house, they find something

that points them toward the crime scene. 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:09.040 Oh, what was it? 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:10.560 The bathroom. 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:12.240 Oh, is it bloody? 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:13.519 What's happening? 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.560 In the early hours of Sunday, April 10th, detectives search Ingrid's house. 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:20.720 They notice suspected blood. 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:28.879 They also find a box of plastic garbage bags that appear identical in color and size to those that were recovered with the remains. 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.360 Then they search the bathroom. 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:37.759 Near the bathtub, they find a pruning saw with a blade approximately 15 inches long. 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:40.720 Dude, a pruning saw? 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:44.879 I don't know what that is exactly, but any saw that you're finding it. 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:46.559 Doesn't belong in the bathroom. 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:50.159 Does not saws don't belong in bathrooms. 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:50.639 No. 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:57.440 So now family members indicated that the saw wasn't normally kept in the bathroom. 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:58.159 Hello. 00:08:58.480 --> 00:08:58.879 Hello. 00:08:59.440 --> 00:08:59.840 Yeah. 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:08.559 Investigators return to examine the plumbing beneath the bathtub and they discover blood and human tissue in the draining system. 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:09.519 No. 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:10.879 Yeah. 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:14.080 So oh, I Amanda woman. 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:16.240 Was she dismembered in the bathtub? 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.000 Let's also say that bathtubs are not meant for dismemberment. 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:20.639 Yeah. 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:21.120 No. 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:22.159 Anyway, continue. 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:22.639 No. 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:36.720 But I want to ask you if investigators find you know biological material inside plumbing, what what are you thinking that thinking that would help forensic testing? 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.120 What are the what is that helping? 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:55.759 I mean, well, first of all for forensic testing, I mean, I guess they're saying the way I would look at it is this person was the tools used were either cleaned in the bathtub or she was dismembered in the bathtub. 00:09:55.840 --> 00:10:01.120 And I would be taking apart those pipes to test for her DNA. 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:01.919 Is that what you mean? 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:02.720 Yes. 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:10.960 Because the evidence that has to be examined and interpretered, not something that detectives should make assumptions about simply because they found it. 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:11.759 But right. 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:14.960 Police combine the findings in the bathroom. 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:19.440 While the remains were recovered in Seattle, they begin to reconstruct what happened. 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:27.200 Oh the investigation indicates that Ingrid was murdered inside her home, and then afterwards her body was dismembered. 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:32.879 Now the killer transported her remains away from the property. 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.440 And that's when the remains were found in the recycling bin. 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:39.840 But then that brings detectives to another question. 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:42.159 What happened to Ingrid's SUV? 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:43.440 Why was it not at the house? 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:44.000 Yeah. 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:45.679 Did he drive it off? 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:47.840 I mean, I'm saying he, just assuming. 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:51.840 I feel like it's always the boyfriend, it's always the ex-husband. 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.159 It's always, you know, anyway, continue. 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:59.360 Well, Ingrid's Toyota Highlander had been missing since her family arrived that Saturday morning. 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:01.519 And then police began looking for it. 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:07.679 On Monday, April 11th, investigators locate the SUV in downtown Seattle. 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.799 And they're detectives closer to where the remains were found. 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:11.360 Yes. 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:13.679 Now detectives have three locations. 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:21.759 So for Pete C inside Ingrid's house, the recycling bin in Seattle, and now the place where her vehicle was abandoned. 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:28.639 Now, the prosecution will later establish that Ingrid's own vehicle was used to transport her remains. 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:32.960 But investigators still need to question the person who was with her Friday night. 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:33.440 Yeah. 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:35.840 Now is he gonna answer the phone? 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:36.480 I don't know. 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:37.519 POS? 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:38.240 Right. 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:41.440 Remember the man that her mother contacted? 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:42.320 Yeah. 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:51.120 Um, the man who confirmed the baseball game wouldn't, you know, answer exactly who he saw or when he saw Ingrid. 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:53.360 Detectives have located him. 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:54.480 Oh, good. 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:55.759 We found you. 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.639 The swift arm of justice is gone. 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:04.720 Now, when they asked him what happened, his explanation actually raised more questions. 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:06.879 This man is 37. 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:13.919 He tells detectives that he and Ingrid met through an online dating service and they had been seeing each other for again about a month. 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:18.559 He confirms they attended the Mariner's game on Friday, which that happened. 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:21.919 We knew he also confirms that they went to the bar afterward. 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:24.639 Now, after that, remember he stopped responding.

00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:29.679 So he also confirmed that they went to the bar and that they returned to Ingrid's house. 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:34.720 But then his memory apparently just, I don't know, he became very unclear. 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:41.600 So he tells police he drank so much alcohol that he can't remember much of what happened afterwards. 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:48.720 He says he doesn't remember what happened inside the house, and he also claimed that he didn't remember how he even left. 00:12:49.326 --> 00:12:54.447 But he says it seems convenient considering his girlfriend was cut into pieces. 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:55.360 Right. 00:12:55.679 --> 00:13:07.919 But he says he believes that Inger drove him back downtown towards Seattle, and then according to his story, he eventually get this, fell asleep on a sidewalk. 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:10.320 Oh, he's a moron. 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:12.000 What do you mean? 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:16.000 I know so nursing perspective. 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:25.120 When someone says that they experienced an alcohol-related blackout, does that automatically mean that they're telling the truth about what they can and can't remember? 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:30.159 You can quite so you can't prove a blackout, right? 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:37.600 Just, I mean, you can listen and hear what they have to say, but you can't prove that you blacked out from alcohol. 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:40.639 So it's like we're just taking his word for that, right? 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:49.120 So that's an important point because he his claimed memory loss is a statement, not independently establishing medical evidence here. 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:49.679 Yeah, right. 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:50.000 Exactly. 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:51.919 So you can't even take it as fact. 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:52.879 Hell no. 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:59.200 But but investigators discover something else during the interview. 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:00.399 Oh no, what? 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.120 So they observe injuries on his body. 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:11.039 I guess he had abrasions to his forehead, his hands, along with injuries to like his lip and chin, and then scratches on his chest. 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:13.120 So she fought for her life. 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:14.240 What a bad thing. 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:14.799 So sad. 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:15.039 I know. 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:15.919 Good for her, though. 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:16.240 I know. 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:17.039 She tried. 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:17.600 She tried. 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:18.320 She tried. 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:24.159 But we don't know from the public record exactly like how they actually happened, but detectives did document them. 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:30.399 And they also learn that he's been staying at a former girlfriend's house in Lake Stevens, north of Seattle. 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:31.759 What a dog. 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:32.960 I know. 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:36.000 Now on April 11th, police take him into custody. 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.960 His name is John uh Charlton. 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:39.759 Okay. 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:44.159 This is a man who Ingra was with the night that she disappeared. 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:50.720 And investigators are about to come uncover a criminal history spanning multiple states. 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:53.279 Are you kidding me? 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:54.080 Wait for it. 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.559 Did these women listen, everyone? 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:04.080 If you are meeting people that is not through mutual friends or whatever, run a background check. 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:05.120 I don't even care. 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:07.919 I just feel like so much of this could be prevented. 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:09.120 Let's make it the norm. 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:10.559 Run a background check. 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:10.960 Yeah. 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:12.720 Run a back. 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:16.639 See, and this happened, this was like a month. 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:18.159 They were dating for a month already. 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:24.000 But I'm like, you know how normally if you go with someone, you're like, all right, well, you have to check in with me now. 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:27.840 Yeah, maybe two hours later, but like they were already dating for a month. 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:29.919 You know, I guess you think things are fine. 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:32.799 But as police and listen to this. 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:38.480 So as police investigate, continue investigating him, they learn that he has prial criminal convictions. 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:43.440 In 2006, he was convicted of aggravated robbery in Utah. 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:48.720 In 2009, he was convicted of felony theft in Montana. 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.320 His criminal record also includes offenses in other states. 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:56.320 But there's another part of this history that investigators and reporters examine. 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:04.080 In 2006, Charlton's parents sought a protective order against him, his own parents. 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:05.840 His parents? 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:07.120 His parents. 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:20.639 Because according to the report about court documents, his parents allegedly thought said that he had made threatening references involving the movie Hannibal and threatening behavior towards other family members. 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:24.480 That's why that they they sought a protective order against him. 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:25.279 Why? 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:25.759 He's right. 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:32.960 What your own parents are filing a restraining order against you. 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.759 I don't know that I've ever actually heard that. 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:37.039 Which is crazy. 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:39.519 And you are just like a bad seed. 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:41.600 You're a bad seed at

that point. 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:45.200 But then that petition was eventually dismissed at his parents' request. 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:51.200 Oh the allegations are part of the record, but they're not, again, proof of his later motives. 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:54.639 So here's something important. 00:16:55.120 --> 00:17:01.360 There's no reliable public evidence establishing exactly what Ingrid knew about Charlton's history. 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:10.240 And we don't have documented evidence of a specific violent uh incident between Ingrid Ingrid and him, but you know, within the month that they were dating. 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:16.480 So again, we can't assume that we knew what he was capable of, or even that she ignored some obvious warning. 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:25.839 But investigators now have physical evidence from her house, her recovered SUV, Charlton's statements, and the connection to Ingrid. 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:29.920 Okay prosecutors arrest him, right? 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:30.640 Yeah, exactly. 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:32.480 They believe that they had enough to charge him. 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:41.759 So on I mean, this is like days later, April 13th, um, he is charged with first-degree murder and theft of a motor vehicle. 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:44.160 He initially pleads not guilty. 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:52.559 And for more than a year, the case moves through the legal system until uh Charlton makes a decision that changes everything. 00:17:53.680 --> 00:18:01.039 What October 2nd, uh, 2017, Charlton appears in the King Court Superior Court. 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:06.480 Instead of continuing to fight for the charges, that he actually pleads guilty. 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:15.839 He admits, he admits to murdering Ingrid, admits to stealing her vehicle, and acknowledges the act that caused her death. 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:17.359 He strangled her. 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:18.880 No, why? 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:27.279 According to the prosecutor's account, Charlton killed Ingrid inside her rented home in the early morning of April 9th. 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:36.079 Afterwards, he placed her body in the bathtub, dismembered it with the pruning saw, and disposed of her remains around Seattle. 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:39.839 Oh and used her SUV to transport them. 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:43.519 Dude. 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:56.160 I so I'm wondering because I don't know every state that has the death penalty, but I wonder if he recanted his originally not guilty plea because he was trying to avoid the death penalty. 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:58.319 Oh, just just just wait. 00:18:58.559 --> 00:18:58.880 Just wait. 00:18:58.960 --> 00:18:59.519 Oh gosh. 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:00.000 Okay. 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:05.680 So now, Amanda, think about what we know now compared to his original story. 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:08.799 So he told investigators he couldn't remember what happened at the end. 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:09.599 I was drunk. 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:13.599 I passed out on a sidewalk, I think, after she drove me downtown. 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:14.319 Right. 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:18.160 Yeah, but through his guilty plea, he admitted killing Ingrid there. 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:24.240 So what still wasn't established publicly was why he did it. 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:24.880 Right. 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:28.000 No clear motive emerged from the legal proceedings. 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:32.079 And that remains one of the unanswered questions in this case. 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:34.000 Still, still. 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:34.960 Why? 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:36.160 Why? 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:51.119 Now, now that we know that Charlton admitted strangling Ingrid, I want I want to talk about like strangulation and what that actually means medically, because people sometimes think uh you would automatically have bruising around the neck. 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:52.960 Now, is that necessarily true? 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:55.279 No, I mean, is it likely? 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:57.440 Yes, but also no. 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:01.119 I mean, strangulation, you're literally just cutting off the windpipe, right? 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:03.599 Like you're you're cutting off the windpipe. 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:12.160 So, I mean, if somebody is strategic about their hand placement, that could be done pretty easily, especially if it's quick without bruising, right? 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:13.039 Like, I don't know. 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:16.720 And we're assessing someone who survives strangulation. 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:21.279 What findings, what findings like are you gonna be concerned about? 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:25.519 Like if we're you know, well, someone who survives strangulation. 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:31.039 So someone that survives strangulation, I mean, they can have broken blood vessels in their eyes, right? 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:37.119 We can have patechii, we can have um voice changes, yeah, voice changes, exactly. 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:46.799 I mean, and depending on how long their brain was deprived of oxygen, there could be cognitive issues, like yeah, those are the things I would be concerned about. 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:47.440 Yeah. 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:56.960 So that's one reason I wanted us to discuss this case from like a nursing perspective because we know what Charlton admitted doing, but we don't have Ingrid's complete autopsy report. 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:02.640 So we're not going to claim that she had specific neck injuries or examine the findings that we haven't really verified. 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:08.960 But one more question in this case, there were acts committed after Ingrid's death. 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:17.519 So, how does a medical examiner distinguish injuries related to the cause of death from injuries that may have happened afterwards? 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:18.880 You know what I'm saying? 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:29.119 So I think, and

again, I'm not a medical examiner, but I think from what I understand, I mean, there would be different levels of bleeding, right? 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:29.519 Yeah. 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:32.319 Um, different levels of blood loss, for instance. 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:42.960 I mean, if if the heart is not pumping anymore and there is a um a severance of a limb, like it's not not, it's going to be a different amount of bleeding. 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:45.039 It's you know, yeah. 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:46.000 I don't know. 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:51.599 And then of course, you have to look to establish the type of wound that it is. 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:53.119 Is it jagged edges? 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:54.319 Is it cut clean? 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:56.319 Like ah, all of it. 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.759 This is because so that's why like forensic medicine is. 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:00.960 So important. 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:01.759 Oh, yeah. 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:09.359 And that they, you know, that they document and interpret what the evidence actually supports, not just what people assumed happened. 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:10.319 You know. 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:11.440 Okay. 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:13.839 So the sentencing. 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:17.200 Let's get back to the you're like, oh, maybe the death penalty. 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:18.640 You know, maybe that's why. 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:19.279 Hmm. 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:25.440 Well, January 5th, 2018, Charlton appears in court for sentencing. 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:33.279 Ingrid's whole family is there, and her former husband, Phil, speaks about the devastating moment that he had to tell their three daughters, that their mother was dead. 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:35.119 I mean, it was a whole thing. 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:41.519 So he describes the grief of his children's experiencing and everything that Ingrid would have missed as they grew up. 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:45.440 He tells the court that even the maximum sentencing is not enough. 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:46.000 Right. 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:53.680 But he makes one statement that captures the family's loss because when he walks, Ingrid won't. 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:56.720 That is oh oh chills. 00:22:57.519 --> 00:22:59.519 No, that's really sad. 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:00.720 It's really sad. 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:04.799 Um like a really difficult statement to hear. 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:10.480 Um now, one of Ingrid's friends, Nancy, also addresses the court. 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:15.039 She speaks about Ingrid's life, her friendships, the devastation caused by her death. 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:18.880 Charlton makes a brief statement expressing remorse. 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:21.759 We don't believe it, John. 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:22.319 Right. 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:23.519 Don't say shit, dude. 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:24.640 We don't buy it. 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:25.519 But back up. 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:27.519 Yep. 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:33.440 But the judge, Julie Spector, makes clear how serious she views this crime. 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:38.240 He says she wished her with a pruning saw. 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:38.480 Yeah. 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:41.759 And then took her body parts and spread them all over Seattle. 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:42.400 What do you think? 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:43.119 You didn't care. 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:45.920 It quite literally can't get worse than this. 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:46.559 No. 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:50.559 She says that she wishes she can impose a life sentence. 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:54.160 Wish wishes. 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:55.680 What does that mean? 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:05.039 Instead, she sentences him to 333 months in prison, which is about 27 years and nine months. 00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:10.160 It's the highest end of the applicable standard sentencing range. 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:11.599 I'm confused. 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:13.359 Why would this not be life? 00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:15.920 He was I think of murder one, right? 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:17.599 Like it was he was guilty. 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:20.000 When doing the research on this, I'm like, no. 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:20.480 What? 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.200 And I like kind of like looked into it further. 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:23.839 No. 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:25.519 No, that's it. 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.680 And he also received a concurrent sentencing for stealing Ingrid's vehicle. 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:34.400 So who so who who gets life then in Washington? 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:35.920 That's what I want to know. 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:43.680 Who who gets life if the man that dismembers a woman and spreads her body parts all over the place and then pleads guilty to it? 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:47.839 If he doesn't get life, who the hell gets life in Washington? 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:48.640 I know. 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.640 And by the time he's sentenced, some of Ingrid's remains have still not been recovered. 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:54.559 Like there's still pieces that are just missing. 00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:54.960 Yeah. 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:55.920 I mean, they're gone. 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:57.119 Oh my God. 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:00.960 That is that is so devastating. 00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:03.599 So this is where the case leaves us. 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:06.480 So we know who murdered Ingrid. 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:09.759 We know that the man responsible pleaded guilty. 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:10.079 Yeah. 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:15.279 We know what the prosecution established about how he killed her and disposed of her remains. 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:17.519 But there's something that we still don't know. 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:19.200 And we talked about it earlier. 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:20.079 Why? 00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:20.880 Right. 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:28.799 He never provided a public like a public reason why he

established the motive. 00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:29.680 I'll tell you why. 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:30.640 He's a dick. 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:31.279 Yeah. 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:32.960 He's more than that. 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:34.319 More than that. 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:34.960 Yeah. 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:41.279 You know, the thing about it is, is I truly just believe that some people are just evil. 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:41.839 Yeah. 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:49.039 And you know, I mean, we've we've read and watched enough cases to know. 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:57.759 And I don't ever like to just throw the word psychopath around, but some people just get these urges to do things. 00:25:57.920 --> 00:25:58.240 Yeah. 00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:03.200 And don't have any concern about the consequences or the repercussions. 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:03.920 No. 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:20.799 And I just, you know what I find really interesting is that he originally pled not guilty and then changed it to guilty, even though the sentencing, like, what would Wild Does Washington State have the death penalty? 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:22.079 Look it up and see. 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:23.599 I mean, I saw the same thing. 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:30.880 I thought, like, you know, after doing this and you know, reading through it, I'm like, oh man, this he's gonna get life. 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.279 I was blown away. 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:35.920 Our justice system is broken. 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.200 27 years. 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:40.240 No, they don't have they don't have the death penalty. 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.240 So I don't understand. 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:48.960 I just don't understand what I don't know what you would have to do to get a life sentence. 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:50.880 What would you have to do? 00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:52.880 Is the ultimate question. 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:54.799 I I don't understand. 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:55.519 Yeah. 00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.079 That's just not nearly long enough. 00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:00.240 You said this was in 2016? 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:00.880 Yeah. 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:03.200 So it's been 10 years. 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:03.680 Yep. 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.160 So another 17 and he's out. 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:07.519 Yeah. 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:13.599 And nothing in the sources I've even reviewed explains why a Friday night at a baseball game ended in murder. 00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:20.559 Like what happened that night that made him want to murder her? 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:22.160 Well, you know what I'm saying? 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:25.359 Like you just his again, we're gonna go back to this. 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:30.240 His own parents had a restraining order on this man. 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:36.079 Well, they didn't actually go through with it, but they they contemplated it. 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:44.400 They brought it, and it was serious enough that they brought it to the police, they brought it to the courts, they just didn't actually they what repealed it or whatever. 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:57.759 Yeah, your own parents and says something, it says something, especially because most parents are like, I will love my children no matter what, right? 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.880 Like no matter what, we'll get through it. 00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:06.880 The fact that they felt threatened enough by him, and then it had to do with the movie Hannibal. 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.960 Hannibal, I just that makes me sick. 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:13.359 I know I I don't even know what else to say about it. 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:15.039 That I mean that just makes me sick. 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:16.400 Yeah, I don't know. 00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:20.559 What's so what stands out to you most about this whole case? 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:24.240 What's my biggest red flag? 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:35.279 I would say that the biggest red flag for me, I mean, ultimately it was them finding the saw in the bathroom. 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:42.160 That's to me, that's and then and then him just stop he stops answering her mom's texts. 00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:45.039 Um, that's another huge red flag. 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:45.599 Yeah. 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:47.440 I I think I don't even know. 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:55.680 This isn't even a red flag, but like, can we wave a red flag on the friggin' judicial system in Washington? 00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:56.880 Because what the hell? 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:16.559 And that boring the family, the family, and I think what because those kids were, I mean, I'm assuming young in 2016, so they're surely going to just be, you know, adults, like young adults, when he's released, or maybe middle-aged, I don't know. 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:17.519 Not fair. 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:29.680 It's just not fair, and I think that there is something so wrong with the justice system if this man got 27 years. 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:31.839 That's insane. 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.160 He should have been life without parole. 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:34.880 Yeah. 00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:36.000 Pands down. 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:36.400 Yeah. 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.599 Especially considering the rest of his history. 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:40.319 Yeah. 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:41.359 Oh, I agree. 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:41.839 I don't know. 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:46.960 Because the part that stays with me is like how quickly Ingrid's family recognized something was wrong. 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:47.519 Yeah. 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:51.119 You know, her daughters were coming home, their mother wasn't there. 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:59.359 Her family immediately started looking for answers, and those unanswered text messages became, you know, one piece of a much larger investigation. 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:00.319 Absolutely. 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:10.720 You know, and detectives ultimately connected the evidence from Ingrid's home, the disposal locations, the vehicle, and then the person who was with her that night. 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.559 Oh, it just makes me sick. 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:16.319 So poor Ingrid, rest in peace and her family. 00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:32.559 I I hope that somehow I don't know how it works, but like it, I just hope that they find some sort of avenue to like uh extend it or have another judge look at it. 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.039 I I don't know if that's even possible, but I'm really bummed out about it. 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:37.759 So yeah. 00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:40.400 I mean, Edrid was 40 years old. 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:45.039 She was a registered nurse, a friend, a daughter, a mother of three. 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:50.400 Um, for the people who knew her, the story doesn't begin or end with the man who murdered her. 00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:53.039 It begins with the life that she was living. 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:53.759 Exactly. 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:55.599 Her work, her friendships, the family. 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.680 I feel like I can relate to this poor woman. 00:30:57.759 --> 00:30:59.759 I mean, a registered nurse, mother of three. 00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:01.599 I just yeah, I don't know. 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.799 And then Charlton received nearly 28 years in prison. 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:10.640 But again, Ingrid's family received a sentence of their own, a lifetime without her. 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.000 Yeah, unfortunately. 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.799 That sentence that he got is a slap in the face. 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:21.839 And I think now is a good time to ask everybody what do you think is the biggest red flag in this case? 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