Full Transcript for Revert Corner 001: Navigating Conversion Privacy and Family Reactions #islam #revert #faithjourney

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WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:06.993 So welcome everyone to the first episode of the Revert Corner. 00:00:06.993 --> 00:00:13.490 Inshallah, and we will be doing these every two weeks. 00:00:13.490 --> 00:00:34.014 They're basically going to be, you know, short episodes that are looking at the challenges, lessons, moments that come with, you know, conversion to Islam, reverting to Islam, and I'm joined today by my co-host, who will be joining me every couple of weeks, matt. 00:00:34.014 --> 00:00:36.347 As-salamu alaykum, matt, how's it going? 00:00:37.109 --> 00:00:39.198 Wa alaykum, as-salam Wa alaykum as-salam. 00:00:40.164 --> 00:00:40.929 And Carl as well. 00:00:40.929 --> 00:00:42.259 As-salamu alaykum, how's it going, carl? 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:44.770 Wa alaykum as-salam, and Carl as well. 00:00:44.770 --> 00:00:45.713 As-salamu alaykum. 00:00:45.713 --> 00:00:47.359 How's it going, carl Wa alaykum as-salam. 00:00:47.359 --> 00:01:03.372 So yeah, just to kick things off, today's episode is going to be about dealing with friends and family when you revert and you know the reactions or how people deal with that, and just to kick things off, we're going to start every session with an ayah or hadith. 00:01:03.372 --> 00:01:09.426 Off, we're going to start every session with the ayah or hadith and Matt is going to bring us the ayah or hadith today. 00:01:09.426 --> 00:01:14.239 That hopefully ties into the topic of the episode and, you know, benefits us as well. 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:15.522 So, inshallah, take it away, matt. 00:01:17.084 --> 00:01:47.483 The verse for today's episode is a general verse which emphasizes the blessing of Islam and Iman, and that is the well-known verse in the Surah Al-Hujurat, the chapter of Al-Hujurat, where Allah says يَمُنُّونَ عَلَيْكَ أَنْ أَسْلَمُوا قُلْ لَا تَمُنُّوا عَلَيَّ إِسْلَامَكُمْ بَلِ اللَّهُ. 00:01:47.483 --> 00:01:59.289 يَمُنُّ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنْ هَدَاكُمْ لِلْإِيمَانِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ صَادِ. 00:01:59.289 --> 00:02:04.611 They regard their acceptance of Islam as a favor to you, o Muhammad. 00:02:04.611 --> 00:02:09.354 Tell them do not regard your Islam as a favor to me. 00:02:09.354 --> 00:02:18.157 Rather, it is Allah who has done you a favor by guiding you to faith, if indeed you are truthful. 00:02:18.157 --> 00:02:26.740 And the great explainer of the Qur'an, al-imam Sa'di rahimahullah. 00:02:26.740 --> 00:03:03.349 He said that, just as Allah has blessed us and bestowed us with sustenance and provisions, and our creation, him creating us, and all of the other blessings he bestows us with, whether those are apparent or hidden, or in public or in private, then the guidance to Islam and the guidance to faith, that is the greatest of all blessings and that is better than anything else that anyone can be blessed with. 00:03:03.349 --> 00:03:06.628 That's the verse of the day. 00:03:09.501 --> 00:03:11.668 Zaka ala khair, Much appreciated. 00:03:11.688 --> 00:03:11.848 Matt. 00:03:13.443 --> 00:03:16.592 And you know definitely, you know, beneficial. 00:03:16.592 --> 00:03:22.012 So this is a thing that we'll try to do every episode where we'll begin with either a hadith or ayah. 00:03:22.012 --> 00:03:43.569 And now to get into the main topic, you know, talking about dealing with family or friends or reactions, I wanted to share, you know, a story, because you know, not a personal story, but actually one whereby I actually came across an individual who embraced Islam. 00:03:43.569 --> 00:03:45.526 I had several conversations with him. 00:03:45.526 --> 00:03:52.149 It was a young Filipino guy in Jeddah and Alhamdulillah, you know, he embraced Islam. 00:03:52.680 --> 00:04:51.180 But one of the things that actually, you know, started to trouble him and started to have issues with was that I think he told his family extremely early on in Islam, before he had even done much, and this was his family back home in the Philippines, and I think something happened, like his wife took his children and, kind of like, ran away and he couldn't get in contact and this, you know, severely affected him in terms of him practicing the religion, having second thoughts about the religion, and so I know this is something that previously you covered about Matt, but maybe you can just give us a bit of an insight in terms of actually it's because at the time sorry to cut back, but at the time we actually asked one of the scholars in Jeddah and he said that you know, actually he doesn't need to proclaim his Islam and to make it apparent to his family. 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:56.951 It's better for him, if he knows that it's going to be an issue for him perhaps, to keep his Islam secret. 00:04:56.951 --> 00:05:04.305 At that point and I know this is something that you spoke about as well on your podcast previously, Right Matt, on your podcast previously. 00:05:04.326 --> 00:05:04.547 Right, matt? 00:05:04.547 --> 00:05:05.189 Yeah, absolutely. 00:05:05.189 --> 00:05:26.105 There seems to be a common misconception that when someone says the shahada, the testimony of faith to enter Islam and then become a Muslim, that they have to announce their faith, whether that is to their family or to their friends or even online. 00:05:26.105 --> 00:05:49.331 Some people do it and there is nothing, allahu a'lam, in the religion which says that someone has to proclaim their faith, or indeed tell anyone at all, because, at the end of the day, the shahada, the testimony of faith that you take, is between you and your Lord, it's between you and Allah Ta'ala and no one else has anything to do with it. 00:05:49.331 --> 00:06:01.449 It's you who's going to meet Allah alone In the hereafter and Allah is going to question you individually and it has nothing to do with anyone else. 00:06:01.449 --> 00:06:08.744 And there's an ayah in the Quran which speaks about the mu'min of al-firaun. 00:06:08.744 --> 00:06:24.110 There was a man who believed in musa and his da'wah believed in

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allah and followed musa in the time of firaun, but out of fear, out of fear of what the, the pharaoh, might do to him, he he hid his faith. 00:06:24.110 --> 00:06:28.776 He hid his faith. 00:06:28.776 --> 00:06:33.447 He would hide his faith, but allah describes him as mu'min. 00:06:33.447 --> 00:06:34.911 Allah describes him as a believer. 00:06:34.911 --> 00:06:42.322 So here we can take that it is allowed for someone to hide their faith, especially if there's going to be some sort of harm which may come from it. 00:06:42.644 --> 00:06:48.233 And also the famous hadith which is in Sahih al-Bukhari Abu Dharr the companion. 00:06:48.233 --> 00:06:56.939 He accepted Islam with the Prophet and then the Prophet said to him يَا أَبَى ذَرْ, أُكْتُمْ هَذَا الْأَمَرُ. 00:06:56.939 --> 00:07:02.153 He said, abu Dharr, keep your conversion to Islam a secret. 00:07:02.153 --> 00:07:03.423 Don't announce it. 00:07:03.423 --> 00:07:18.247 He actually commanded him not to say anything, abu Dharr, he said that he would pronounce it and he went out and he announced it to the polytheists in Mecca who proceeded to beat him severely. 00:07:18.247 --> 00:07:30.809 Point being is that the Prophet and may Allah be pleased with all of the companions of the Prophet the point being is that the Prophet, he told him to hide his faith. 00:07:30.809 --> 00:07:34.870 So it might even be an obligation. 00:07:34.870 --> 00:07:38.665 It might even be something that you have to do in certain instances. 00:07:38.685 --> 00:07:53.226 Yeah, yeah, I think that's an important point and it has to be weighed up in all different circumstances and I think, like you said, it's a common misconception because it's almost like people are pushed that. 00:07:53.226 --> 00:08:12.040 You know, I remember when I was first Muslim and I was working certain jobs, I would just go and like hide and pray, like in the I was working in a restaurant at the time. 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:20.413 I would go, you know, I'd say, oh, I'm going to go fold some napkins, and there was like a little kind of laundry room and I'd go and pray there. 00:08:20.413 --> 00:08:22.841 So, you know, you have to gauge your circumstances. 00:08:22.841 --> 00:08:34.870 In some circumstances, maybe, if you know that you're going to invite uh kind of you know things that are going to throw you off, then maybe it's uh best to to leave it off. 00:08:34.870 --> 00:08:48.466 But on the other hand, I think when people become muslim as well, there's so much that we don't know as reverts, and especially in the first few days, that we kind of, we kind of and also the the kind of joy of embracing islam. 00:08:48.466 --> 00:08:51.782 People might, you know, come up to their family and say you know, I've become muslim. 00:08:52.504 --> 00:09:03.842 And I remember when I actually the the first person I probably told out of my friends and my family was my mother and, um, I remember she said something like oh, you know, she had a bit of a she. 00:09:03.842 --> 00:09:19.826 She's always been a bit of like, you know, a feminist one could say, not like an extreme one, but she said something along the lines of oh, I always thought Christianity was more feminine and Islam was more masculine, and that was like kind of her instant reaction. 00:09:19.826 --> 00:09:28.533 So it wasn't like a bad reaction in a way, but I guess it was kind of just her justifying it to herself and Alana's best. 00:09:28.533 --> 00:09:31.249 But maybe you can share some of your experiences as well. 00:09:31.249 --> 00:09:33.705 Let's bring in Carl. 00:09:33.705 --> 00:09:34.361 Carl. 00:09:34.361 --> 00:09:35.626 Have you got any? 00:09:35.626 --> 00:09:38.548 You know, can you remember any experiences when you first reverted? 00:09:39.400 --> 00:10:02.923 I think one thing as well is like is a tricky thing is that concept of what's too soon, because I think pretty much maybe not now, after 20-odd years, but I think at every major stage of my life I thought, oh yeah, if I knew what I knew now, I'd wait until now, and then a couple of years later. 00:10:02.923 --> 00:10:05.429 If I knew what I knew now, I'd wait until until now, and then, you know, a couple of years later. 00:10:05.429 --> 00:10:09.625 If I knew what I knew now, I'd wait until now, and then maybe even five years later. 00:10:09.625 --> 00:10:12.292 If I knew what I knew now, I'd wait until now. 00:10:12.292 --> 00:10:24.429 And I think, like you, you probably maybe now, in 20, in another 20 years time, I'll say the same thing if I knew what I knew now, I wouldn't wait until I was mus Muslim for 40 years. 00:10:24.490 --> 00:10:29.346 It's, it's, it's challenging, you know to uh, to know when. 00:10:29.346 --> 00:10:30.768 When do you know enough? 00:10:30.768 --> 00:10:42.250 And um uh, and also entering into different conversations and debates and and this sort of thing, and I think maybe yeah it's. 00:10:42.250 --> 00:10:44.174 It's just safer to just. 00:10:44.174 --> 00:10:50.100 If you do want to tell your family, just avoid the debating side of things. 00:10:50.100 --> 00:10:52.871 It's just informing them. 00:10:52.871 --> 00:10:58.168 This is what I know at the moment and just knowing where your limits are. 00:10:59.264 --> 00:11:00.803 I think just on that point. 00:11:00.803 --> 00:11:41.754 I think that's also like it's a kind of double-edged sword in the way that it's that zeal of when people first become Muslim and they've got, like a lot of you know, zeal for the religion and they really want to talk about it, but at the same time they've got a heavy lack of knowledge and therefore they get into situations where, with friends or family, after they just reverted, where they're like, yeah, they want to tell them everything and they want to show them stuff, but then they haven't really spent the time to go over all of the issues and at the end of the day, they may have friends or family who are also, you know, intelligent people who are

going to come with curveballs that they haven't really thought about. 00:11:44.259 --> 00:11:47.172 yeah, maybe a lot of that you only get from experience anyway. 00:11:47.172 --> 00:11:57.677 So it's like, yeah, not just the knowing but but also the wisdom, and perhaps there is some wisdom that just can't be learned, it's experienced. 00:11:57.677 --> 00:12:04.135 And for myself, I didn't have to actually tell my family because they told themselves. 00:12:07.513 --> 00:12:07.934 How did that? 00:12:08.014 --> 00:12:08.235 happen. 00:12:08.235 --> 00:12:22.970 I had a I'm not sure you know, because I had a Quran in my room on top of the bookshelf and I had maybe a book about Islam somewhere in the bookshelf. 00:12:22.970 --> 00:12:31.201 I wasn't like under the bed maybe, but I wasn't having a huge library of Islamic books, it was two. 00:12:31.201 --> 00:12:40.107 And then we're at dinner one day, and I've probably been Muslim by this time at least nine months and the family were taught. 00:12:40.107 --> 00:12:52.033 My grandparents, my parents, were going oh, you know, when Cole goes to university, I never used to drink, even as a non-Muslim drink alcohol, and I can't remember one of my family members said oh, when he goes to university, he'll drink. 00:12:52.033 --> 00:12:53.336 They all drink at university. 00:12:53.336 --> 00:12:55.923 And my dad said no, you won't because he's Muslim. 00:12:55.923 --> 00:13:00.575 And so it was my dad that told everyone without me telling him. 00:13:00.575 --> 00:13:05.322 So he did the job for me. 00:13:07.811 --> 00:13:09.356 That's kind of made it easier in a way. 00:13:11.153 --> 00:13:16.394 Yeah, I guess, because I'm the sort of person that would be embarrassed to open up about anything personal. 00:13:16.394 --> 00:13:18.720 Anyway, that's just my nature. 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:24.774 So, um, given the choice, I wouldn't probably tell him ever um but um. 00:13:24.774 --> 00:13:31.048 But then my dad did it for me okay, so that's interesting. 00:13:31.369 --> 00:13:32.350 What about yourself, matt? 00:13:32.350 --> 00:13:39.624 Is there any like memorable you, memorable person within your family, or maybe even friends, that you kind of had to break it to? 00:13:59.450 --> 00:14:08.071 so when I converted, it wasn't, it wasn't a shock to my, to my, my family, to my mum or anyone else, because I would follow my brother pretty much in anything that he would do, you know, uh, for better or worse. 00:14:08.071 --> 00:14:21.118 So, yeah, he, uh, he converted and about a year later I converted, but I didn't tell my mum, who was really the only family member who was around at the time in my life. 00:14:21.118 --> 00:14:22.302 I didn't tell her. 00:14:22.302 --> 00:14:23.676 I can't remember why I didn't tell her. 00:14:23.676 --> 00:14:33.782 I guess maybe I just didn't want a backlash, I didn't want any questions or anything like that, I just wanted to just, you know, be a Muslim and just carry on with life,

really. 00:14:33.782 --> 00:14:45.576 But I think she put two and two together and one day she was just like you're a Muslim, aren't you, matt? 00:14:45.615 --> 00:14:50.841 yeah, I'm Muslim yeah, so, um, yeah, that was it really. 00:14:52.163 --> 00:14:53.966 It's that parental intuition, isn't it? 00:14:55.130 --> 00:14:56.355 Yeah, I think so. 00:14:56.355 --> 00:14:57.634 My mum. 00:14:57.634 --> 00:14:59.080 She was cool with it. 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:11.177 She has always been of the opinion that whatever makes you happy makes me happy, which is kind of a dangerous way to look at things, but that's her philosophy. 00:15:11.177 --> 00:15:13.578 So as long as I was happy doing it, then she was happy. 00:15:13.578 --> 00:15:17.480 And then I can't remember if I told my dad or my mum told my dad. 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:27.062 I can't remember, but yeah, my dad wasn't too happy about it, he wasn't around too much anyway, so I didn't really feel any of the. 00:15:27.062 --> 00:15:29.316 There wasn't much of a backlash because he just wasn't really around. 00:15:32.333 --> 00:15:38.317 And then after that I would no doubt go around telling all my friends and telling everyone that I know that I'm muslim. 00:15:38.317 --> 00:15:41.609 And you know I would get various reactions. 00:15:41.609 --> 00:15:52.817 Sometimes people would laugh, sometimes people would be you know the person who you think would be quite hostile and maybe rude about it. 00:15:52.817 --> 00:15:53.499 They would. 00:15:53.499 --> 00:15:57.833 They turned out to be some of the most accepting people there was. 00:15:57.833 --> 00:16:11.111 There was a famous guy in my town who was quite, quite an aggressive guy and quite hostile towards us particularly, and when we told him we were muslim, it's like yeah, you know, fair play, mate, fair play, like he had this. 00:16:11.111 --> 00:16:13.417 I don't know, it was kind of strange. 00:16:13.417 --> 00:16:19.212 We were like expecting you know, yeah, something to happen, but nothing did he like turned out to be one of the most accepting people. 00:16:19.352 --> 00:16:52.663 It's kind of strange yeah I think that that's uh, that's one of the interesting things about, you know, becoming muslim and islam in general, that sometimes the people that you really, really don't think of and this is true even if you look at, like the stories of the Salaf and the Sahaba it's like the individuals that you really thought like that individual will never, you know, come to Islam, like, for example, amr ibn Khattab, in comparison to, like the Prophet's uncle. 00:16:52.663 --> 00:16:59.707 You know that you thought would, you know, be more accepting and stuff, and I think you find that as well even in the reality of today. 00:16:59.707 --> 00:17:02.557 Sometimes there's these individuals that you think like. 00:17:02.557 --> 00:17:12.432 You know that you've had numerous members of parliament who are like part of that gert wilders, you know, uh, group,

who are completely like, avidly against islam. 00:17:12.471 --> 00:17:21.759 I'm forgetting what the, the guy's who you know is quite well known now in the space and in Holland, who was like part of Gert Wilder's party. 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:24.538 He converted to Islam. 00:17:24.538 --> 00:17:26.837 But then there's other people that you kind of like. 00:17:26.837 --> 00:17:31.362 They're kind of very friendly with Muslims and very nice to the Muslims and this. 00:17:31.362 --> 00:17:38.898 But if you ever kind of push them and said, well, why don't you just take that step and, you know, become Muslim, they'll kind of like, oh no, I couldn't possibly. 00:17:38.898 --> 00:17:41.791 And you know this and that and make excuses, which is? 00:17:41.791 --> 00:17:44.359 It's kind of an interesting phenomena in a way. 00:17:46.330 --> 00:17:54.521 So almost like what Matt was saying about the you know, as long as you're happy'm happy type of approach. 00:17:54.521 --> 00:18:02.461 I mean, when you're open-minded, then perhaps you don't really concern yourself with finding the truth so much. 00:18:02.461 --> 00:18:05.153 You, everyone's got their own way and that's fine. 00:18:05.153 --> 00:18:12.057 But maybe those people who are more firm in their beliefs, they've alive, they've arrived at them. 00:18:12.057 --> 00:18:33.717 Sometimes because it's because of blind following their ancestors or whatever, but sometimes because they actually have a conviction and believe in something and so they want to actually find something right and they believe that there's a truth and a falsehood and you know they want to arrive at that yeah yeah, um, this I'm gonna, I'm gonna cut short the, the, the main discussion now. 00:18:34.558 --> 00:18:39.877 Um, and I wanted to to bring a a story that I kind of saw recently in the news. 00:18:39.877 --> 00:18:51.555 I don't know if you guys have seen it as well not really necessarily news, but um, uh, there's this guy who's like, uh, he he's known as like some kind of like major hedonist. 00:18:51.555 --> 00:18:56.971 This guy like uh dan, uh, bilzerian or something like that oh the gambler. 00:18:57.953 --> 00:18:59.297 Yeah, the the gambler, exactly. 00:18:59.297 --> 00:19:01.962 So he's like the gambler, the the uh. 00:19:01.962 --> 00:19:15.443 I think they called him like the instagram king or whatever, and he was recently on, you know, an episode of um piers morgan where he's, you know, talking talking about the situation in Palestine, but also talking about his own personal situation. 00:19:15.443 --> 00:19:23.344 It's funny because a lot of the time, whenever he talks about Israel, you know, piers Morgan's always going oh so you hate Jews, do you? 00:19:23.344 --> 00:19:24.792 And like all this kind of stuff. 00:19:24.792 --> 00:19:44.778 But the thing I found interesting and relevant to our discussion today is, you know, he's actually been like looking a lot into islam because of you know, the research that he's been doing and also the fact that he was living this kind of life where he had all of the money he's got, like you know, a business that earns like 200 million dollars. 00:19:45.259 --> 00:19:55.845 He says in this episode of of um uh piers morgan that he sleeping with you know loads of women every single day. 00:19:56.049 --> 00:20:21.794 He was saying something like two to if he slept with two women in a day, it was a bad thing for him or something like this, and and he got to the point where it was like he just didn't feel fulfilled at all, you know by any of these things that he was doing and stuff like this, and so I think the whole situation in Palestine at the moment kind of must have grasped his attention and then he wanted to spread that. 00:20:21.794 --> 00:20:25.623 But then at the same time, he started to look into Islam. 00:20:25.623 --> 00:20:49.864 And the reason I thought this was relevant to now is do you think, if we look at now, there's a lot of people in this social media kind of space, whether it's someone like this, dan um or, for example, andrew tate or sneeko many of these people have kind of, like you know, come to the religion of islam, or islam is almost becoming more, uh, popularized. 00:20:49.864 --> 00:20:59.461 Do you think that, you know, nowadays it's kind of almost easier for people to embrace islam, or how do you think this has an impact on the people? 00:21:03.809 --> 00:21:07.401 I think, there's always been influential people around, I mean, even myself. 00:21:07.401 --> 00:21:22.099 The thing that like dropped as a seed of um about Islam was watching Muhammad Ali on Parkinson, many years before Piers Morgan was around. 00:21:22.099 --> 00:21:27.810 So it's so yeah, so you know maybe would you say it's not really. 00:21:28.952 --> 00:21:32.519 Yeah, so you'd say it's not really like a recent thing. 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:34.343 You think that's always been there. 00:21:36.090 --> 00:21:52.141 Well, when I say always, I mean recent, in terms of, you know, birth of modern media since the 70s and the 60s, this type of sort of time that's fairly recent in the history of the big history of things, isn't it? 00:21:55.150 --> 00:21:57.493 Yeah, that's fairly recent in the history of the big history of things, isn't it? 00:21:57.493 --> 00:21:57.933 Yeah, I think. 00:21:57.933 --> 00:21:59.777 I think I can imagine it would be a lot more. 00:21:59.777 --> 00:22:05.444 Maybe easier in some ways, but also a lot more challenging in this age. 00:22:05.444 --> 00:22:14.955 Easier in the sense that there's a lot more access to information, Social media, everything online. 00:22:16.338 --> 00:22:21.560 When we accepted islam I became muslim in 2005 like people weren't really online like that. 00:22:21.560 --> 00:22:33.845 There wasn't any social media and the only information you got about islam was whatever some muslim told you, whether that was in the form of the book or whatever. 00:22:33.845 --> 00:22:38.119 So access

to information is a lot better now. 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:48.563 So it is a lot easier to access information, look up issues and this and that and get in contact with Muslims and learn the religion as well online. 00:22:48.563 --> 00:22:54.676 So there's definitely a lot more going on, which is a good thing, so it's a lot more easier. 00:22:54.676 --> 00:23:23.064 But I would also say that it's a lot more challenging in that you know, social media has made the world a whole lot smaller and if someone was to announce their faith online, then you would get a huge amount of support from the Muslim community and maybe non-Muslims as well, but you'd also get a huge backlash from non-Muslims and people who are hostile towards Islam. 00:23:24.230 --> 00:23:41.611 So, yeah, I can imagine it must be a lot more challenging, especially for people who are who are prominent on social media, people who have announced their announced their faith to to the world I can imagine it can be like extremely challenging, like dealing with that much, that much feedback on what you've done. 00:23:41.611 --> 00:23:46.027 You know that many comments and you know all that, all the stuff that comes with it. 00:23:46.027 --> 00:23:46.989 It must be extra. 00:23:46.989 --> 00:23:47.309 I can't. 00:23:47.349 --> 00:24:00.161 I can't imagine what it's like yeah and, like you said, that access to information comes with access to misinformation as well, I mean when I when I had to answer things from my family or friends. 00:24:00.161 --> 00:24:04.669 They're pretty fairly basic things like just like why did you become muslim? 00:24:04.669 --> 00:24:07.476 And like whatever was in the news at that time. 00:24:07.476 --> 00:24:20.898 But now someone will come to you pretty fully armed with a load of um misconceptions and with backed up references for their misconceptions as well. 00:24:20.898 --> 00:24:21.859 You know supposedly. 00:24:21.859 --> 00:24:22.500 So it's uh. 00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:25.307 Yeah, like you say, it's a new challenge. 00:24:27.412 --> 00:24:32.951 Yeah definitely, yeah, definitely Okay, um, yeah, thanks for weighing in on that, guys. 00:24:32.951 --> 00:24:37.867 And and now, uh, just a little trial section that I'd like to try with you guys. 00:24:37.867 --> 00:25:01.777 Okay, so, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do like some word association I'm gonna give, I'll, I'll give you individually, I'll go for Matt and then Carl and then, um, again, I'm just going to give you one word and I just think, in terms of this episode, in terms of dealing with friends and family and reversion, just the first thoughts off the top of your head in relation to that word. 00:25:02.076 --> 00:25:25.176 Okay, so the first word for Matt is sabr, or patience not reacting to the things that family members and friends might say to you. 00:25:27.097 --> 00:25:27.939 Okay excellent. 00:25:28.719 --> 00:25:41.990 Take a few breaths, take it in, analyze and internalize what they've said and then think about a suitable response with patience. 00:25:41.990 --> 00:25:44.615 Don't just react to whatever these people have said to you. 00:25:46.338 --> 00:25:49.973 Excellent and call da'wah. 00:25:53.724 --> 00:25:54.008 With knowledge. 00:25:54.008 --> 00:25:54.473 I guess, yeah, excellent. 00:25:54.473 --> 00:25:54.959 With knowledge. 00:25:54.959 --> 00:26:09.332 I guess, yeah, excellent, that we're making sure that you, you know what you're giving that were to and know what you're calling to learn before doing so excellent. 00:26:10.133 --> 00:26:11.994 Uh, matt awkward. 00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:17.741 Matt awkward, wow, okay. 00:26:17.741 --> 00:26:24.729 Yeah, there have been a few awkward situations. 00:26:24.729 --> 00:26:32.680 I would say don't make you, being a Muslim, more awkward than what it needs to be. 00:26:35.310 --> 00:26:38.192 Yeah, you be, yeah Excellent. 00:26:40.605 --> 00:26:45.949 Sorry, maybe we can go into more detail in future episodes, but I would say, don't make things more awkward than what it needs to be. 00:26:47.693 --> 00:26:48.175 Yeah, great. 00:26:48.175 --> 00:26:50.191 What about Carl? 00:26:50.191 --> 00:26:53.430 I'll go for identity. 00:26:55.054 --> 00:26:55.756 Identity. 00:26:55.756 --> 00:26:56.577 That's a big one. 00:26:56.577 --> 00:27:08.757 I've gone blank because in many ways Islam was an identity for me when I didn't have an identity as much. 00:27:08.757 --> 00:27:14.852 So, yeah, it's one of the reasons. 00:27:14.852 --> 00:27:20.740 One of the emptiness that I had before Islam was identity emptiness. 00:27:20.740 --> 00:27:25.115 So Islam can give you an identity. 00:27:25.115 --> 00:27:32.598 But then it doesn't necessarily have to take over your identity, but it does become part of your identity. 00:27:34.210 --> 00:27:35.105 Excellent, excellent. 00:27:35.105 --> 00:27:40.230 And just the last one then I'll give to Matt, or maybe Carl. 00:27:40.230 --> 00:27:42.644 You can think about as well, is mercy. 00:27:48.556 --> 00:27:59.634 Be merciful to yourself as a Muslim, and that is by learning from authentic sources and implementing what you learn as a Muslim, and that is by learning from authentic sources and implementing what you learn. 00:27:59.634 --> 00:28:05.230 Be merciful to your family by not being too harsh with them. 00:28:05.230 --> 00:28:08.549 That's what I would say to your family and friends. 00:28:08.549 --> 00:28:18.771 Have mercy on them by not being harsh with them and dealing with and dealing with them in in the best way excellent, carl. 00:28:18.791 --> 00:28:20.096 Do you want to weigh in on that one quickly? 00:28:20.898 --> 00:28:23.086 I definitely echo the being merciful with others. 00:28:23.086 --> 00:28:31.369 Many times I speak to friends and they're saying um, you know, I spoke to my wife and she doesn't want to do xyz. 00:28:31.369 --> 00:28:34.414 Well, last week you didn't want to do xyz either. 00:28:34.414 --> 00:28:39.130 So you know, show that same mercy to to and time. 00:28:39.130 --> 00:28:43.798 Give them time to to come along excellent, excellent, thanks, guys. 00:28:43.817 --> 00:28:46.510 So, um, yeah, we will, uh, continue. 00:28:46.510 --> 00:28:50.301 Inshallah, not next saturday, but the saturday afterwards. 00:28:50.301 --> 00:28:53.611 Uh, we'll be uploading this definitely to youtube. 00:28:53.611 --> 00:29:00.325 We'll see if we can upload it to Instagram as well, and every time we're going to come up with different topics, different ideas. 00:29:00.325 --> 00:29:27.797 So if there are people watching as well who have any questions for either of my co-hosts, or they have questions about the topics that we're discussing, about converting or reverting to Islam, and they want to weigh in, feel free to always comment and, you know, share any questions you have, whether it's on YouTube or Instagram as well, and we'll be happy to answer any of those questions. 00:29:27.797 --> 00:29:34.432 We'll be doing it the same time in another two weeks, although we're about to go over time. 00:29:34.704 --> 00:29:37.134 We do have Tommy who's got a question. 00:29:37.134 --> 00:29:45.996 He says what advice would you give to someone who is shy of being open about the religion in front of non-Muslim relatives? 00:29:45.996 --> 00:29:57.009 I mean, we've kind of discussed this, tommy, but if you want to just give a quick 10, 20 second advice, guys, maybe Matt first and then Carl, just quick 10 seconds before we close up the episode. 00:29:57.009 --> 00:29:59.575 Inshallah, 10 seconds. 00:29:59.575 --> 00:30:02.279 Yeah, quick advice. 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:07.854 I mean, tommy, we hope you watch the beginning of the episode, because a lot of advice was given already, right. 00:30:10.686 --> 00:30:12.605 Yeah, I have a lot more to say to Tommy. 00:30:12.605 --> 00:30:19.892 Hopefully we can answer that in the next episode or we could somehow get a message to him. 00:30:19.892 --> 00:30:22.537 That would be good, okay excellent. 00:30:23.178 --> 00:30:25.228 All right, it's not enough, tommy. 00:30:25.228 --> 00:30:35.182 We're going to hold your question and and deal with it, maybe at the beginning of the discussion next week, um, after, not next sat, but the Saturday after. 00:30:35.182 --> 00:30:45.914 And I'd also advise Tommy to go back to the beginning of the episode and look, because we did somewhat go into a bit of detail about this topic and so, yeah, that's all from me. 00:30:45.914 --> 00:30:52.451 Here I've been Ed, and with my co-host, matt and Carl. 00:30:52.451 --> 00:30:54.526 Thank you very much for joining us. 00:30:54.526 --> 00:30:57.364 We'll see you again, hopefully in two weeks time. 00:30:57.364 --> 00:30:58.963 Assalamualaikum, warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh. 00:30:59.986 --> 00:31:01.327 Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi. 00:31:01.347 --> 00:31:02.569 Wabarakatuh Assalamualaikum.

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