Full Transcript for Buddy Ebsen’s Daughter Kiki Ebsen

He was on 00:02:27.495 --> 00:02:30.135 television pretty much. I was the last of... 00:02:30.135 --> 00:02:32.395 My brother and I were the, the youngest. 00:02:33.095 --> 00:02:35.735 So I... You know, what sticks out to 00:02:35.735 --> 00:02:38.935 me is this big celebration of when the 00:02:38.935 --> 00:02:40.930 hellbillies first came on, and we all sat 00:02:40.930 --> 00:02:42.849 around this television set, which was still a 00:02:42.849 --> 00:02:45.489 little confusing to me. And just kinda watching 00:02:45.489 --> 00:02:47.569 them on TV and and starting to process 00:02:47.569 --> 00:02:50.209 that and what that meant, you know, what 00:02:50.209 --> 00:02:53.265 that would mean going forward. So I also 00:02:53.265 --> 00:02:55.825 would remember him coming home in makeup, you 00:02:55.825 --> 00:02:57.504 know, with a mustache that he didn't really 00:02:57.504 --> 00:02:58.944 have, and I I was thought... So I 00:02:58.944 --> 00:03:01.265 was kinda curious why he would wear this 00:03:01.265 --> 00:03:03.364 outfit and go to go to work. And, 00:03:04.465 --> 00:03:07.025 but I think, you know, as I got 00:03:07.025 --> 00:03:09.690 older, I started to really appreciate that work 00:03:09.690 --> 00:03:11.930 that he did before the hillbillies and before 00:03:11.930 --> 00:03:14.010 I was born. So I think what sticks 00:03:14.010 --> 00:03:18.250 out for me is just his tenacity, in 00:03:18.250 --> 00:03:22.110 being able to ride the wave of entertainment 00:03:22.330 --> 00:03:24.445 from the twenties to the thirties, forties, fifties, 00:03:24.445 --> 00:03:27.085 sixties. So he saw, like... You know, he 00:03:27.085 --> 00:03:29.245 entered the world as... He entered the entertainment 00:03:29.245 --> 00:03:31.325 world as a dancer, and then he got 00:03:31.325 --> 00:03:34.125 into Broadway. Then he got into movies, you 00:03:34.125 --> 00:03:37.380 know, MGM movies, classic, you know, in the 00:03:37.380 --> 00:03:39.620 thirties. And then he went into World War 00:03:39.620 --> 00:03:42.040 two, and he was able to reinvent himself 00:03:42.420 --> 00:03:45.560 not easily. But through the forties, he invented 00:03:46.020 --> 00:03:49.700 himself through movies again and then eventually television, 00:03:49.700 --> 00:03:51.060 but he was close to fifty. So I 00:03:51.060 --> 00:03:54.775 just think his his stick to itiveness and 00:03:54.775 --> 00:03:58.375 his at work ethic, and his ability to 00:03:58.375 --> 00:04:01.015 survive such negativity in a in a in 00:04:01.015 --> 00:04:04.455 in a business that's just so brutal was, 00:04:05.190 --> 00:04:07.209 very inspiring to watch, but I I honestly 00:04:07.270 --> 00:04:08.950 did not appreciate it till I was much 00:04:08.950 --> 00:04:09.450 older. 00:04:10.069 --> 00:04:12.470 Yeah. I think that a lot of the 00:04:12.470 --> 00:04:14.550 kids of of actors that I've talked to 00:04:14.550 --> 00:04:16.150 have kind of been the same way. It's 00:04:16.150 --> 00:04:19.155 like, well, didn't every dad go to movies 00:04:19.155 --> 00:04:21.635 or or TV? And your dad had a 00:04:21.635 --> 00:04:23.635 really long career here, and you talk about 00:04:23.635 --> 00:04:27.475 that. The... And... Okay. I have to laugh 00:04:27.475 --> 00:04:29.255 because I had no idea that the mustache 00:04:29.315 --> 00:04:29.975 was fake. 00:04:31.220 --> 00:04:33.620 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He... It was always... 00:04:33.620 --> 00:04:35.860 His lip was always so irritated from the 00:04:35.860 --> 00:04:37.940 mustache, and he was always, like, had some 00:04:37.940 --> 00:04:39.940 sort of, like, you know, salve on his 00:04:39.940 --> 00:04:42.440 lip in between shootings because of the glue. 00:04:43.380 --> 00:04:43.700 I think 00:04:43.700 --> 00:04:48.475 that's hilarious. You're... And and we're gonna delve 00:04:48.475 --> 00:04:49.755 into your life here in a second. I 00:04:49.755 --> 00:04:51.995 just wanna really kind of establish this for 00:04:51.995 --> 00:04:54.875 for listeners, especially if we can get some 00:04:54.875 --> 00:04:57.375 younger ones because I love when I can 00:04:57.435 --> 00:05:03.360 introduce older movies and TV shows to younger 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:07.380 audiences. Your dad was gonna be the original 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:10.820 Tin Man Yes. In Wizard of Oz. 00:05:12.104 --> 00:05:13.944 Yes. That was a story actually that we 00:05:13.944 --> 00:05:17.245 didn't know growing up. We watched the movie 00:05:17.465 --> 00:05:19.784 as a family, and they just sort of... 00:05:19.784 --> 00:05:21.384 My dad... It was a traumatic story for 00:05:21.384 --> 00:05:22.905 him, so he never shared it with us 00:05:22.905 --> 00:05:24.124 as a family. He was a contract player 00:05:24.124 --> 00:05:24.275 for MGM. It was in 00:05:24.275 --> 00:05:26.120 the thirties. And, you know, contract players player 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:28.260 for MGM. It was in the thirties. And, 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:31.040 you know, contract players didn't have much choice 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:32.720 about the parts. They were just lucky to 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.040 be cast in whatever movie that was coming 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:37.040 in. And at one point, he was promised 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:40.615 the role of the scarecrow. But Ray Bolger 00:05:40.615 --> 00:05:42.855 had a better dance, had a better, you 00:05:42.855 --> 00:05:45.015 know, way of moving, so they gave dad 00:05:45.015 --> 00:05:47.335 the Tin Man role. And the makeup that 00:05:47.335 --> 00:05:50.455 they used for that role was actually dusting 00:05:50.455 --> 00:05:53.260 his face with aluminum powder. So it was 00:05:53.260 --> 00:05:55.020 flying all over, you know, in the air, 00:05:55.020 --> 00:05:57.820 and he inhaled it. And over about a 00:05:57.820 --> 00:05:59.740 two week period, it coated the inside of 00:05:59.740 --> 00:06:03.419 his lungs, like paint. Right? So he couldn't 00:06:03.419 --> 00:06:06.795 get

oxygen to his blood, and he he 00:06:06.955 --> 00:06:09.275 collapsed and almost died. I mean, he was 00:06:09.275 --> 00:06:11.595 he was in a really bad shape in 00:06:11.595 --> 00:06:14.395 the hospital. It took him several weeks to 00:06:14.395 --> 00:06:17.115 recover, and they recast him, you know, during 00:06:17.115 --> 00:06:19.140 that time. And, you know, so I just 00:06:19.140 --> 00:06:21.480 think... And the studio really didn't take responsibility. 00:06:21.780 --> 00:06:23.780 They said he was allergic to the makeup, 00:06:23.780 --> 00:06:25.720 and it really wasn't that at all. So 00:06:26.020 --> 00:06:30.020 he ended up leaving MGM, refusing a contract 00:06:30.020 --> 00:06:34.765 renewal, by LB mayor personally. And, he went... 00:06:34.765 --> 00:06:36.445 He had a hard time finding work after 00:06:36.445 --> 00:06:38.125 that. So that was one of the tough 00:06:38.125 --> 00:06:38.625 times. 00:06:39.085 --> 00:06:42.685 Wow. Now I know you're a musician. I 00:06:42.685 --> 00:06:44.445 don't think of your dad as a singer, 00:06:44.445 --> 00:06:47.665 but, obviously, singing... A song and dance man. 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:52.820 What really made you think music over acting? 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:57.620 Yeah. Good question. Obviously, the family business is 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:02.005 is acting. Not that was expected, but, it 00:07:02.005 --> 00:07:03.765 was a little crowded. My mother was also 00:07:03.765 --> 00:07:06.645 an actress and and, was born community theater. 00:07:06.645 --> 00:07:08.565 She had a theater in Newport Beach, and 00:07:08.565 --> 00:07:11.525 my sister went into the business. But I 00:07:11.525 --> 00:07:13.845 honestly... I was always drawn to the piano. 00:07:13.845 --> 00:07:16.970 My mother's on my mother's side. All of 00:07:16.970 --> 00:07:19.229 her sisters and my mother as well were 00:07:19.770 --> 00:07:23.610 pianists. My grandmother was a concert pianist. And 00:07:23.610 --> 00:07:26.490 I I gravitated to the piano because I 00:07:26.490 --> 00:07:28.490 heard music in my head, and it was 00:07:28.490 --> 00:07:29.815 the easiest way for me to get the 00:07:29.815 --> 00:07:31.255 music out of out of me... Out of 00:07:31.255 --> 00:07:33.815 my head. And it was comforting to me, 00:07:33.815 --> 00:07:35.975 so I liked that part. So I just 00:07:35.975 --> 00:07:38.855 naturally played all the time. And then, you 00:07:38.855 --> 00:07:41.335 know, as a teenager teenager, like, you know, 00:07:41.335 --> 00:07:46.250 most adolescents, I struggled with my emotions and 00:07:46.250 --> 00:07:48.890 struggled to figure out identity. And it was 00:07:48.890 --> 00:07:50.890 difficult for me to consider an acting career 00:07:50.890 --> 00:07:52.890 with a father that was so famous, and 00:07:52.890 --> 00:07:56.425 I was so deeply sensitive. So I started 00:07:56.425 --> 00:07:58.505 writing songs and just started playing in bands, 00:07:58.505 --> 00:08:00.585 and the music was

just a natural choice 00:08:00.585 --> 00:08:03.145 for me. I tried. I'd... I've done a 00:08:03.145 --> 00:08:05.884 little bit of, like, acting, if you will. 00:08:05.944 --> 00:08:08.745 I definitely went through the ranks of my 00:08:08.745 --> 00:08:11.030 my mother's theater, and I was actually an 00:08:11.030 --> 00:08:12.629 extra in Back to the Future, but I... 00:08:12.629 --> 00:08:15.590 But as a musician. But I never really 00:08:15.590 --> 00:08:17.430 followed that route. I never just went to 00:08:17.430 --> 00:08:19.430 auditions and did that whole thing. I was 00:08:19.430 --> 00:08:21.909 too busy. I really got lucky out of 00:08:21.909 --> 00:08:26.615 college, just to land a touring music gig. 00:08:26.615 --> 00:08:28.375 So I I was out with really big 00:08:28.375 --> 00:08:30.775 name artist. You know, my twenties, I was 00:08:30.775 --> 00:08:33.995 out with Chicago and, you know, Alghero and 00:08:34.055 --> 00:08:36.635 Tracy Chapman and Christopher Cross. I mean, just 00:08:37.095 --> 00:08:39.255 a lot of great artists. And every time 00:08:39.255 --> 00:08:41.560 I thought, I'm gonna try this acting thing, 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:43.620 I'd get called for a tour or I 00:08:43.620 --> 00:08:45.220 got a record deal or something. I thought, 00:08:45.220 --> 00:08:47.380 well, that... Obviously, that's not what I'm I'm 00:08:47.380 --> 00:08:49.220 I'm supposed to be doing. I'm I'm following 00:08:49.220 --> 00:08:51.620 my heart, which is, which is music, which 00:08:51.620 --> 00:08:54.740 is to me performing, acting with... Is just 00:08:54.740 --> 00:08:57.105 with music. You know? You're still emoting. You're 00:08:57.105 --> 00:08:59.825 still, you know, you're still on a stage, 00:08:59.825 --> 00:09:02.084 and you're still communicating through the arts. 00:09:02.625 --> 00:09:04.785 Okay. You mentioned some big names. We're gonna 00:09:04.785 --> 00:09:06.625 get to those in a second, and and 00:09:06.625 --> 00:09:09.540 and more about your music. So you and 00:09:09.540 --> 00:09:10.820 I are gonna get in the car, and 00:09:10.820 --> 00:09:13.640 we're gonna drive from California to San Antonio 00:09:14.740 --> 00:09:17.459 on a little road trip. What's the first 00:09:17.459 --> 00:09:19.079 song you're gonna play for me? 00:09:20.765 --> 00:09:23.805 That's fun. Well, I have to tell you, 00:09:24.205 --> 00:09:26.045 I have a playlist that I put on 00:09:26.045 --> 00:09:27.805 almost every day when I'm working with my 00:09:27.805 --> 00:09:31.745 horses. My all time feel good song is, 00:09:32.685 --> 00:09:35.025 Lionel Richie's All Night Long. 00:09:36.310 --> 00:09:38.490 Love that song. You know, I was at... 00:09:38.550 --> 00:09:40.230 It feels so good when I hear it. 00:09:40.230 --> 00:09:41.029 I love it. 00:09:41.029 --> 00:09:43.829 Yeah. I was a DJ in nightclubs, and 00:09:43.829 --> 00:09:45.430 when that song came on, man, it was 00:09:45.430 --> 00:09:46.870 just... It would pack the dance

floor. It's 00:09:46.870 --> 00:09:49.610 just a great, great song. 00:09:50.185 --> 00:09:52.905 Oh, it feels good. And to me, music 00:09:52.905 --> 00:09:55.005 is all about putting you in a zone, 00:09:55.225 --> 00:09:57.225 you know, where where you feel good to 00:09:57.225 --> 00:09:59.545 me. Or it it it might be something 00:09:59.545 --> 00:10:01.065 you need to hear a song that if 00:10:01.065 --> 00:10:03.225 you're angry or sad as well, but it 00:10:03.225 --> 00:10:05.805 makes you feel. Music really makes you feel. 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:07.460 That's what I love about it. 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:09.520 Yeah. It's funny. I was driving in this 00:10:09.520 --> 00:10:13.060 morning, and there... There's two things they say. 00:10:13.680 --> 00:10:16.560 A sense of smell and music can bring 00:10:16.560 --> 00:10:19.360 memories back quicker than than most anything. And 00:10:19.575 --> 00:10:20.235 I believe 00:10:20.775 --> 00:10:25.095 so. I heard an average white man play 00:10:25.095 --> 00:10:27.095 that funky music today, and I was like, 00:10:27.095 --> 00:10:29.015 all right. I can remember that as a 00:10:29.015 --> 00:10:31.920 kid learning to bump, the dance to bump 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:32.800 to 00:10:32.800 --> 00:10:35.200 that song at the galleon. You know? And 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:38.399 it's like, is there a song that you 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:40.720 hear on the radio while you're driving on 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:42.800 your playlist and it takes you to a 00:10:42.800 --> 00:10:44.660 specific place in your life? 00:10:45.920 --> 00:10:50.785 Oh, yeah. I can hear things like, well, 00:10:50.785 --> 00:10:52.225 there are a lot, so I'm not gonna 00:10:52.225 --> 00:10:54.145 do... Really do it justice. But when I 00:10:54.145 --> 00:10:57.125 think... When I hear, like, Ricky Lee Jones 00:10:57.585 --> 00:11:01.120 sing We Belong Together, I think of... You 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:02.480 know, I just think of a moment in 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:06.080 time, you know, where that was a really 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:09.040 meaningful song, you know, about somebody. And it 00:11:09.040 --> 00:11:11.120 takes me right into the... I feel exactly 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:16.185 what I'm feeling, in that moment. So so, 00:11:16.185 --> 00:11:20.025 yeah, I mean, there's some... You know, like, 00:11:20.025 --> 00:11:23.385 I love Pete Townshend. So my my list 00:11:23.385 --> 00:11:25.625 is pretty eclectic. You know, Pete Townshend from 00:11:25.625 --> 00:11:27.305 the who. I'm kind of a rock and 00:11:27.305 --> 00:11:30.690 roll chick. And I have certain songs in 00:11:30.690 --> 00:11:33.330 his solo records that just bring up certain 00:11:33.330 --> 00:11:35.350 feelings in me. Of course, I'm a huge, 00:11:35.890 --> 00:11:39.010 huge Joni Mitchell fan and a huge Carole 00:11:39.010 --> 00:11:42.230 King fan. And so those songs remind me 00:11:42.450 --> 00:11:44.529 of being about ten or eleven and discovering 00:11:44.529 --> 00:11:48.505 their music and, the era of Laurel Canyon 00:11:48.505 --> 00:11:50.185 because I grew up here in in Los 00:11:50.185 --> 00:11:52.665 Angeles and that... Just that whole vibe was 00:11:52.665 --> 00:11:55.625 just so rich with music and art and 00:11:55.625 --> 00:11:58.584 color and just... It's it's so different now, 00:11:58.584 --> 00:12:00.120 but I can be taken... I can be 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:03.180 transported back there just by hearing those songs. 00:12:03.800 --> 00:12:07.000 Yeah. I had, Matt Axton, who is Hoyt 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:09.800 Axton's son on a while back. And his 00:12:09.800 --> 00:12:12.700 dad was part of that Laurel Canyon sixties, 00:12:12.760 --> 00:12:16.805 seventies and telling stories. And it, been an 00:12:16.805 --> 00:12:19.764 interesting time to... As a teenager to have 00:12:19.764 --> 00:12:21.225 been part of that, I'm sure. 00:12:22.004 --> 00:12:24.745 Well, I was a little young for that. 00:12:24.884 --> 00:12:27.685 My my, sister who's six years older, she 00:12:27.685 --> 00:12:30.290 definitely was on the strip and saw, like, 00:12:30.350 --> 00:12:33.490 she saw cream at the whiskey or or 00:12:33.630 --> 00:12:35.470 something like that. It was something crazy like 00:12:35.470 --> 00:12:38.690 Led Zeppelin. And, I mean, I guess my 00:12:39.150 --> 00:12:41.630 biggest touch with that kind of era was 00:12:41.630 --> 00:12:44.305 I actually bought chocolate chip cookies from famous 00:12:44.305 --> 00:12:46.725 Amos. Do you remember famous Amos? 00:12:46.785 --> 00:12:47.285 Absolutely. 00:12:48.225 --> 00:12:50.165 He he would sell the cookies, 00:12:50.865 --> 00:12:52.625 and I would... We would buy them right 00:12:52.625 --> 00:12:53.105 from him. 00:12:53.105 --> 00:12:55.425 You know? And, you know, it's just so 00:12:55.425 --> 00:12:58.160 cool. It was so great back then. And, 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:00.399 I... I'm lucky enough to be in a 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:02.480 band right now. It's, that pays tribute to 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:06.960 the music for Laurel Canyon. And, it's called 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:10.565 Lookout Mountain. And the band members include David 00:13:10.565 --> 00:13:14.565 Crosby's son, James Raymond, as well as, Kip 00:13:14.565 --> 00:13:16.885 Lennon. And if you're familiar with the Lennon 00:13:16.885 --> 00:13:19.365 sisters, you might know who Kip Lennon is. 00:13:19.365 --> 00:13:22.645 He's the youngest brother of that... Of those 00:13:22.645 --> 00:13:23.465 nine siblings. 00:13:24.810 --> 00:13:26.170 Well, it sounds like to me that I've 00:13:26.170 --> 00:13:27.610 got a couple more guests I can reach 00:13:27.610 --> 00:13:28.089 out to. 00:13:28.089 --> 00:13:28.410 Oh, you 00:13:28.410 --> 00:13:30.970 could get... Yeah. Kip is fantastic. And and 00:13:30.970 --> 00:13:33.529 James is great too. And our band is 00:13:33.529 --> 00:13:35.529 is is gonna be out playing next year 00:13:35.529 --> 00:13:37.925 at the

Performing Arts Center. So kind kind 00:13:37.925 --> 00:13:38.885 of excited because I get to do all 00:13:38.885 --> 00:13:41.464 the Joni Mitchell and the Carole King and, 00:13:41.845 --> 00:13:43.385 you know, I love those songs. 00:13:43.685 --> 00:13:45.445 Carole King. In my... As soon as you 00:13:45.445 --> 00:13:48.005 said her name, the Tapestry album popped in 00:13:48.005 --> 00:13:49.925 my head. I remember that as a kitten... 00:13:49.925 --> 00:13:52.280 I can I could clearly see it as 00:13:52.280 --> 00:13:53.740 soon as you said Carole King? 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:54.860 Yeah. 00:13:55.640 --> 00:13:58.120 Now you you said you went more the 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:00.040 rock and roll era as a as a 00:14:00.040 --> 00:14:04.140 kid and played with some amazing people. What 00:14:05.694 --> 00:14:08.815 what was probably the most fun tour you've 00:14:08.815 --> 00:14:09.475 been on? 00:14:11.134 --> 00:14:16.815 Oh my goodness. You know what's... Actually, what 00:14:16.815 --> 00:14:22.330 a really fun tour, was Belinda Carlisle just 00:14:22.330 --> 00:14:25.370 because the band was so great and, and 00:14:25.370 --> 00:14:27.209 so fun. Everybody was so fun to hang 00:14:27.209 --> 00:14:32.085 out with. But memorable tours also include, like, 00:14:32.165 --> 00:14:34.485 being in Japan with Michael McDonald and Christopher 00:14:34.485 --> 00:14:38.645 Cross because musically, hearing those two together... And, 00:14:38.645 --> 00:14:40.725 I mean, Michael McDonald is truly one of 00:14:40.725 --> 00:14:42.965 my favorite singers in the whole world, and 00:14:42.965 --> 00:14:44.910 he is the nicest guy in show business. 00:14:45.230 --> 00:14:46.910 So every time I'd hear him sing, I 00:14:46.910 --> 00:14:48.910 just would melt. You know? And I got 00:14:48.910 --> 00:14:51.870 to hear him live. You know? I also 00:14:51.870 --> 00:14:54.829 really enjoyed working with Tracy Chapman. She's pretty 00:14:54.829 --> 00:14:57.250 intense as an as an as an artist. 00:14:57.495 --> 00:14:59.255 But, again, the band was great, and we 00:14:59.255 --> 00:15:01.415 were touring some of the most beautiful venues 00:15:01.415 --> 00:15:05.515 in Europe, like like, places in Taormina, Sicily, 00:15:05.575 --> 00:15:08.295 which were, like ruins up at the top 00:15:08.295 --> 00:15:10.935 of mountains that were turned into these outdoor 00:15:10.935 --> 00:15:14.880 venues that were so beautiful. So it's stuff 00:15:14.880 --> 00:15:17.300 like that. I mean, my time in Japan, 00:15:17.520 --> 00:15:20.160 worked with a lot of Japanese artists, and 00:15:20.160 --> 00:15:22.080 I tend to get out in the country 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.000 and... Or on... Out in the city. And 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:25.280 if I... If there is a mountain to 00:15:25.280 --> 00:15:26.960 climb, I'll find it. You know? I love 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:29.175 to hike and do things during the day. 00:15:29.495 --> 00:15:31.975 So just beautiful to be out in Japan 00:15:31.975 --> 00:15:34.055 in places that you don't normally go to 00:15:34.055 --> 00:15:36.295 if you're going into the city and finding 00:15:36.295 --> 00:15:38.695 temples after hiking for three hours. You're at 00:15:38.695 --> 00:15:39.894 the top of a mountain. There's a little 00:15:39.894 --> 00:15:41.815 temple, and you can sit and you can 00:15:41.815 --> 00:15:44.720 meditate and and have these wonderful deep thoughts. 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:47.040 So I feel really lucky that I got 00:15:47.040 --> 00:15:49.199 to spend about thirty years doing that. I 00:15:49.199 --> 00:15:49.939 really do. 00:15:50.160 --> 00:15:53.920 Now had some of those trips inspired songs? 00:15:53.920 --> 00:15:56.800 Because you obviously write and sing your own 00:15:56.800 --> 00:15:58.954 music on... Not just tour with other 00:15:59.574 --> 00:16:01.834 people. Yes. Yeah. I have... I've been inspired 00:16:01.975 --> 00:16:05.095 by surroundings. I've been inspired by by things 00:16:05.095 --> 00:16:06.774 that have happened while I've been on tour 00:16:06.774 --> 00:16:09.334 or things that were happening at home, that 00:16:09.334 --> 00:16:11.095 I I I was able to kind of 00:16:11.095 --> 00:16:14.560 look at from a different perspective. Well, a 00:16:14.560 --> 00:16:16.080 beautiful song I was just talking about the 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:17.360 other day because I'm doing it in a 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:19.120 show that I'm doing, in a couple of 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:22.400 weeks, called take my time. It's about, you 00:16:22.400 --> 00:16:24.400 know, taking the time to notice where you 00:16:24.400 --> 00:16:26.560 are and be grateful and and taking more 00:16:26.560 --> 00:16:30.245 moments in beautiful places that bring peace and 00:16:30.245 --> 00:16:32.165 calm to you. And this one song was 00:16:32.165 --> 00:16:35.444 written while I was in Telluride, actually doing 00:16:35.444 --> 00:16:38.884 a gig during the Telluride Blues Festival. And 00:16:38.884 --> 00:16:40.644 my girlfriend and I were hiking up in 00:16:40.644 --> 00:16:43.870 the rockies above the town at night with 00:16:43.870 --> 00:16:46.430 a full moon, and the mist was all 00:16:46.430 --> 00:16:48.829 around. And the music from the festival was 00:16:48.829 --> 00:16:50.529 coming up, and I think it was, like, 00:16:50.589 --> 00:16:52.510 the nitty gritty dirt band or something. But 00:16:52.510 --> 00:16:54.910 you couldn't really hear exactly what the song 00:16:54.910 --> 00:16:56.430 was, but you could hear the music that 00:16:56.430 --> 00:16:58.865 echoed around the canyon. And the moon was 00:16:58.865 --> 00:17:00.865 rising and the stars were shining, and I 00:17:00.865 --> 00:17:02.465 just wrote this... It was, like, such a 00:17:02.465 --> 00:17:04.545 moment, and I just immediately went home and 00:17:04.545 --> 00:17:06.945 wrote a song about, like, take the time 00:17:06.945 --> 00:17:10.660 to notice. Look around you. Like, take a

00:17:10.660 --> 00:17:13.060 couple of breaths and go, check it out, 00:17:13.060 --> 00:17:15.220 man. We're... This is beautiful. We're in a 00:17:15.220 --> 00:17:17.380 beautiful... You know, we can be mad about 00:17:17.380 --> 00:17:20.260 a lot of stuff, but there's a lot 00:17:20.260 --> 00:17:22.740 of beauty around us and, you know, might 00:17:22.740 --> 00:17:23.880 as well enjoy it. 00:17:24.365 --> 00:17:26.145 Now is that song available somewhere? 00:17:26.685 --> 00:17:28.525 Yeah. It's called Take My Time. It's off 00:17:28.525 --> 00:17:32.925 a record called... Which I've never heard which 00:17:32.925 --> 00:17:38.470 record it's on. Oh, it's on Fill Me 00:17:38.470 --> 00:17:40.390 Up, my... The late... One of my latest 00:17:40.390 --> 00:17:42.810 records. Fill Me Up. And all my musics... 00:17:42.870 --> 00:17:45.670 Music is at kiki ebson dot com, and 00:17:45.670 --> 00:17:47.430 that's it... Really the only place you're gonna 00:17:47.430 --> 00:17:50.475 find it these days. I've, kind of pulled 00:17:50.475 --> 00:17:53.435 off of the streaming networks because it's just 00:17:53.435 --> 00:17:56.555 not... I'd rather bring... Drive people to my 00:17:56.555 --> 00:17:59.295 site and have you really download my music 00:17:59.515 --> 00:18:00.815 or come hear me live. 00:18:01.355 --> 00:18:03.755 Absolutely. Live is always great. My wife is 00:18:03.755 --> 00:18:05.880 a singer songwriter or That's why she was 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.520 in LA to be now. We live in 00:18:08.520 --> 00:18:10.120 Texas, so she doesn't do it as much. 00:18:10.120 --> 00:18:11.500 Hope she'll get back to it. 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:13.580 A lot of music in Texas, though. 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:17.160 Yeah. There's some great music in Texas. Yeah. 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.080 Matter of fact, Chris Cross was born in 00:18:19.080 --> 00:18:19.820 San Antonio. 00:18:20.495 --> 00:18:22.175 He lives in Austin. Yeah. 00:18:22.175 --> 00:18:25.295 That's right. That's right. Now you're very... I'm 00:18:25.295 --> 00:18:27.535 gonna I'm gonna assume visual in in the 00:18:27.535 --> 00:18:30.895 way you described the the... Up the mountain 00:18:30.895 --> 00:18:33.375 in the mist. I'm gonna go back to 00:18:33.375 --> 00:18:37.010 the century of smell. What did your childhood 00:18:37.470 --> 00:18:38.450 smell like? 00:18:40.110 --> 00:18:42.830 Well, I grew up actually in the place 00:18:42.830 --> 00:18:45.149 where I live now, which is a a 00:18:45.149 --> 00:18:48.745 ranch, a family ranch in Southern California. So 00:18:48.745 --> 00:18:51.165 to me, the smell of my childhood was 00:18:51.225 --> 00:18:57.085 the native, the native plants, and specifically sages. 00:18:58.105 --> 00:19:03.610 And the chaparrales are just so aromatic here 00:19:03.610 --> 00:19:06.410 in the canyon. And in fact, when I 00:19:06.410 --> 00:19:08.250 do... You know, because I do work with 00:19:08.250 --> 00:19:10.270 horses and people in a in a wellness 00:19:10.410 --> 00:19:16.225 capacity, I usually pick, California sagebrush, which is 00:19:16.225 --> 00:19:19.905 a beautiful smelling sage, especially when you crumple 00:19:19.905 --> 00:19:21.585 it up in your fingers and you kind 00:19:21.585 --> 00:19:24.544 of smell it like this. And one of 00:19:24.544 --> 00:19:27.505 its properties, it's actually documented in in a 00:19:27.505 --> 00:19:31.299 in a evidence based book about, native American 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.919 plants that it gives you a sense of 00:19:33.919 --> 00:19:37.380 well-being. Just inhaling it is good for respiratory 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:39.039 issues and things like that, but it just 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:41.519 also just brings your nervous system into a 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:42.500 place of calm. 00:19:44.135 --> 00:19:46.554 Now you're talking about horses. A lot of 00:19:46.775 --> 00:19:50.315 musician relatives and people I have talked to 00:19:50.615 --> 00:19:53.735 are big into horses. I grew up on 00:19:53.735 --> 00:19:58.100 ranches. Talk to me about your, it's not 00:19:58.100 --> 00:19:59.620 a charity, but you were saying your wellness 00:19:59.620 --> 00:20:01.720 that you work with people. Talk about horses. 00:20:02.179 --> 00:20:04.899 Well, it's a nonprofit, and, it... It's a 00:20:04.899 --> 00:20:07.700 it's a nonprofit that I created as I 00:20:07.700 --> 00:20:10.919 started to, rescue horses, and that was probably 00:20:11.605 --> 00:20:13.605 twenty years ago or so, twenty five years 00:20:13.605 --> 00:20:18.325 ago. And what it is, it's it's it's 00:20:18.325 --> 00:20:21.205 the Healing Equine Ranch. It resides on my 00:20:21.205 --> 00:20:24.644 ranch, and it takes care of a herd 00:20:24.644 --> 00:20:29.380 of nine horses. And we offer wellness programs. 00:20:29.380 --> 00:20:34.200 It's it's technically equine assisted growth and learning. 00:20:35.539 --> 00:20:39.140 And I work... It... It's it's a way 00:20:39.140 --> 00:20:43.425 to learn about yourself through the lens of 00:20:43.425 --> 00:20:46.945 a horse. So when you're with them, there's 00:20:46.945 --> 00:20:50.325 a lot of emotions and feelings and thoughts 00:20:50.385 --> 00:20:53.265 that come up in their presence. Everything from 00:20:53.265 --> 00:20:55.105 I'm scared of horses, they're big and they're 00:20:55.105 --> 00:20:57.620 unpredictable, to, oh my god. I love horses 00:20:57.620 --> 00:21:00.020 so much, or I grew up with horses 00:21:00.020 --> 00:21:01.880 or I always wanted to have a horse. 00:21:01.940 --> 00:21:04.840 But there's very little understanding about their language 00:21:05.059 --> 00:21:08.179 and what is important to horses. Most of 00:21:08.179 --> 00:21:12.394 our interaction with horses, you know, just over 00:21:12.394 --> 00:21:15.595 the years, historically, has been through dominance and 00:21:15.595 --> 00:21:19.034 control. So now we're work... Moving into an 00:21:19.034 --> 00:21:22.575 area where we're

understanding the language of horses. 00:21:22.794 --> 00:21:26.640 We're understanding their nervous systems, their brains, and 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:28.560 how their brains align with our brains and 00:21:28.560 --> 00:21:30.240 how we can learn about our own nervous 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:33.680 system and our own ability to regulate and 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:38.240 self regulate and coregulate through the understanding and 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:41.195 the experience of interacting with horses. And that's 00:21:41.254 --> 00:21:43.495 what my program is all about. It's called 00:21:43.495 --> 00:21:48.695 natural equine interactive growth and healing. And I 00:21:48.695 --> 00:21:52.775 work with everyone from, residential treatment centers that 00:21:52.775 --> 00:21:56.030 deal with mental health and recovery and and 00:21:56.030 --> 00:21:58.350 addiction. I also work with the, like, the 00:21:58.350 --> 00:22:00.510 four seasons when they they do their wellness 00:22:00.510 --> 00:22:03.950 programs. I have my own workshops almost every 00:22:03.950 --> 00:22:06.670 weekend, and I have private clients sessions as 00:22:06.670 --> 00:22:07.170 well. 00:22:07.550 --> 00:22:08.830 I think I need to do it. My 00:22:08.830 --> 00:22:12.395 wife is a horse girl from Texas, obviously. 00:22:12.855 --> 00:22:13.174 Oh, yeah. 00:22:13.174 --> 00:22:15.414 I like horses. I've ridden horses. I'm not 00:22:15.414 --> 00:22:17.655 really good at it, but I'd like to 00:22:17.655 --> 00:22:19.575 be better because I wanna be in a 00:22:19.575 --> 00:22:20.215 western. But 00:22:20.535 --> 00:22:21.975 You wanna be in a western? Well, you 00:22:21.975 --> 00:22:24.230 know, it's... My my programs are on the 00:22:24.230 --> 00:22:27.910 ground. No. Nobody's riding per se. At some 00:22:27.910 --> 00:22:31.110 point, you could ride, but there's a lot 00:22:31.110 --> 00:22:35.110 of consent based, you know, dialogue going on. 00:22:35.110 --> 00:22:36.310 If the horse doesn't want you to get 00:22:36.310 --> 00:22:37.510 on their back, you know, if you're if 00:22:37.510 --> 00:22:39.030 you're trying to hold them while you jump 00:22:39.030 --> 00:22:41.695 on their back, that's just not safe. So 00:22:41.695 --> 00:22:44.415 there's ways of leading up to it, where 00:22:44.415 --> 00:22:46.095 they feel comfortable with you and you feel 00:22:46.095 --> 00:22:48.415 comfortable with them makes the partnership so much 00:22:48.415 --> 00:22:48.915 safer. 00:22:49.215 --> 00:22:51.695 Yeah. Because I definitely... And sometimes I'm not 00:22:51.695 --> 00:22:54.610 comfortable with that with horses. Yeah. 00:22:54.610 --> 00:22:57.270 And with all good reason too. 00:22:59.809 --> 00:23:02.230 If you could pick one of your songs 00:23:04.049 --> 00:23:07.590 that's probably not your favorite, but you would 00:23:07.730 --> 00:23:11.595 love to see become a billboard number one. 00:23:11.655 --> 00:23:13.115 What song would you choose? 00:23:14.295 --> 00:23:16.615 Oh, I love that question. I think Better 00:23:16.615 --> 00:23:20.135 Friends is a smash. Oh, Candles. I have 00:23:20.135 --> 00:23:21.595 a few. Can I say a few? 00:23:21.655 --> 00:23:22.155 Absolutely. 00:23:23.080 --> 00:23:26.120 Candles is always... People always said that is 00:23:26.120 --> 00:23:30.920 a number one hit. Better Friend... Candles is 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:33.080 on the red CD. Better Friends is on 00:23:33.080 --> 00:23:37.255 my beauty inside CD. And then I think 00:23:37.255 --> 00:23:40.135 off my latest CD, Fill Me Up, Keep 00:23:40.135 --> 00:23:42.375 You On My Mind, to me, is like 00:23:42.375 --> 00:23:46.715 a country... You know, another kinda country hit. 00:23:47.015 --> 00:23:51.380 One more, Loudmouth Girl is also, like, a 00:23:51.380 --> 00:23:53.940 really great girl's anthem, especially for, like, the 00:23:53.940 --> 00:23:56.740 country western, market. So I think I have 00:23:56.740 --> 00:23:59.080 a lot, and I'm still I'm still hopeful 00:23:59.380 --> 00:24:02.164 that I will be discovered as this gem 00:24:02.225 --> 00:24:04.544 that's been hiding out for years. Where's she 00:24:04.544 --> 00:24:05.764 been all of my life? 00:24:06.544 --> 00:24:11.424 Well, hopefully, this will open some doors. Is 00:24:11.424 --> 00:24:15.870 there a question that I haven't asked or 00:24:15.870 --> 00:24:18.110 that you wish other people would ask, but 00:24:18.110 --> 00:24:19.010 they never do? 00:24:20.350 --> 00:24:23.149 I love your questions. Thank you. I really 00:24:23.149 --> 00:24:27.305 do. I think you've been really succinct, and 00:24:27.305 --> 00:24:30.025 it's like not... You haven't asked a lot 00:24:30.025 --> 00:24:32.925 of questions, but you've asked really important questions 00:24:33.385 --> 00:24:37.885 that have illuminated a lot about the complicated 00:24:38.760 --> 00:24:42.760 dynamic of being the relative of somebody famous, 00:24:42.760 --> 00:24:44.840 which is, I believe, sort of the core 00:24:44.840 --> 00:24:47.180 of this interview. Right? 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:48.140 It is. 00:24:48.840 --> 00:24:50.680 And I think maybe if there was anything, 00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:52.089 it'd be how do you find yourself? How 00:24:52.089 --> 00:24:52.286 do you find your identity when the name 00:24:52.286 --> 00:24:55.741 that you carry has so when the name 00:24:55.855 --> 00:24:59.935 that you carry has so much, weight in 00:24:59.935 --> 00:25:04.175 another direction? You know? And I was thinking 00:25:04.175 --> 00:25:09.299 about that this morning because I find find 00:25:09.299 --> 00:25:13.159 fame to be a tremendous... Possibly a tremendous 00:25:13.299 --> 00:25:18.840 burden. I I saw my father navigated... Navigate 00:25:18.899 --> 00:25:22.500 it beautifully. However, as he got older, it 00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:26.005 was harder to keep up the name, you 00:25:26.005 --> 00:25:28.025 know, and keep up the face and and 00:25:28.085 --> 00:25:29.685 the whole

thing. And I think he became 00:25:29.685 --> 00:25:32.965 very attached to his celebrity so that I 00:25:32.965 --> 00:25:34.965 don't know how much peace he found at 00:25:34.965 --> 00:25:36.725 the end of his life, if that makes 00:25:36.725 --> 00:25:37.225 sense. 00:25:37.365 --> 00:25:38.610 That makes great sense. 00:25:39.170 --> 00:25:44.770 Yeah. And that scared me. I never... I 00:25:44.770 --> 00:25:49.270 like being, you know, appreciated. I love getting 00:25:49.730 --> 00:25:51.855 noticed for what I do. But when it 00:25:51.855 --> 00:25:54.495 goes above and beyond what a mere mortal 00:25:54.495 --> 00:25:57.935 can be, it it becomes dangerous in in 00:25:57.935 --> 00:26:00.015 in many different ways. It's dangerous to your 00:26:00.015 --> 00:26:04.610 psyche. It could be dangerous physically. So I 00:26:04.610 --> 00:26:07.649 think finding my identity has been about not 00:26:07.649 --> 00:26:11.330 denying that I'm Buddy Epperson's daughter, but that's 00:26:11.330 --> 00:26:13.250 not all I am. I bring this whole 00:26:13.250 --> 00:26:15.890 other piece. And now maybe I can allow 00:26:15.890 --> 00:26:18.070 other parts to flourish that I've been hiding 00:26:18.575 --> 00:26:21.775 because it's a little frightening to me. You 00:26:21.775 --> 00:26:24.095 know? And now I feel like it can 00:26:24.095 --> 00:26:26.815 really be all. I found an identity. I 00:26:26.815 --> 00:26:29.295 love my music. I love my horses. If 00:26:29.295 --> 00:26:32.710 if it turns into an an acting opportunity, 00:26:33.330 --> 00:26:35.570 I... I'm fine with it all. Whereas before, 00:26:35.570 --> 00:26:37.810 I was, like, strict about it. Like, I'm 00:26:37.810 --> 00:26:39.570 only gonna do this, and I'm only gonna 00:26:39.570 --> 00:26:41.890 do that, or I'm just denying that part 00:26:41.890 --> 00:26:44.610 of my life. I'm proud of everything that 00:26:44.610 --> 00:26:46.705 he's done and what my mother has built 00:26:47.165 --> 00:26:49.245 with her theater. And my sister who was 00:26:49.245 --> 00:26:51.725 an actress moved into... Now she's a writer. 00:26:51.725 --> 00:26:54.125 She lives in Arizona. And my brother is 00:26:54.125 --> 00:26:56.045 a video editor, and my niece is a... 00:26:56.045 --> 00:26:59.610 Directs commercial. So there's been this beautiful sort 00:26:59.610 --> 00:27:03.070 of outpouring of this legacy through our individual 00:27:03.210 --> 00:27:05.530 work. And it takes time to figure that 00:27:05.530 --> 00:27:07.290 out, and some people don't. Some people who 00:27:07.290 --> 00:27:10.430 are living in those environments, I don't think... 00:27:10.730 --> 00:27:12.650 I think they still struggle with, like, who 00:27:12.650 --> 00:27:13.310 am I? 00:27:14.075 --> 00:27:16.715 That's very, very true because I've I've interviewed, 00:27:16.715 --> 00:27:20.475 obviously, a lot of relatives. And, like, I 00:27:20.475 --> 00:27:23.115 was talking to Donny Osmond's son, Brandon, and 00:27:23.115 --> 00:27:25.275 and I was talking to my sister about 00:27:25.275 --> 00:27:29.610 it. You know, when the applause dies, as 00:27:29.610 --> 00:27:31.210 you said, you you didn't think your dad 00:27:31.210 --> 00:27:33.850 was... You think he struggled finding peace with 00:27:33.850 --> 00:27:37.290 that. I love that you found peace. I 00:27:37.290 --> 00:27:38.730 love that most people that on my show, 00:27:38.730 --> 00:27:40.170 we're all trying to find, as I like 00:27:40.170 --> 00:27:42.345 to say, making our own sunshine in the 00:27:42.345 --> 00:27:45.705 shadow of a whatever the name might be. 00:27:45.705 --> 00:27:46.185 Right. 00:27:46.825 --> 00:27:49.085 And you sound like you've got a tremendous 00:27:49.145 --> 00:27:53.520 life. Sound like the family's doing great. I'm 00:27:53.520 --> 00:27:56.320 gonna ask one last question because we're getting 00:27:56.320 --> 00:28:01.700 close. Do you remember, was there a specific 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:07.965 Santa Claus Christmas gift that to this day, 00:28:08.424 --> 00:28:09.725 sparkles in your mind? 00:28:12.345 --> 00:28:13.945 Well, I don't know if it was a 00:28:13.945 --> 00:28:19.310 Christmas gift, but I do remember I... And 00:28:19.310 --> 00:28:20.670 it's such a... It's funny. It's sort of 00:28:20.670 --> 00:28:22.830 a cliche, but not... I remember when I 00:28:22.830 --> 00:28:26.750 got my pony, my first pony when I 00:28:26.750 --> 00:28:30.210 was five years old, and I was so 00:28:31.985 --> 00:28:34.145 excited. I mean, it was just... It was 00:28:34.145 --> 00:28:35.745 like everything you would think of with a 00:28:35.745 --> 00:28:37.265 little girl. Like, when I when I heard 00:28:37.265 --> 00:28:39.105 I was getting my own little... Because my 00:28:39.105 --> 00:28:41.425 sisters had horses, you know, and they were... 00:28:41.425 --> 00:28:43.265 These are backyard horses. These weren't... These were 00:28:43.265 --> 00:28:46.340 not fancy horses. But, oh my god, I 00:28:46.340 --> 00:28:48.679 had a pony, and it was the best 00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:50.820 the best day of my life. I remember 00:28:50.820 --> 00:28:52.980 just jumping for joy, jumping on the day 00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:55.320 bed, just like, ah, this is great. 00:28:55.940 --> 00:28:59.155 So, did you just kind of spend your 00:28:59.155 --> 00:29:01.735 time between Newport and a ranch? Because 00:29:03.075 --> 00:29:06.595 Yeah. We we, started off in Beverly Hills 00:29:06.595 --> 00:29:08.035 when I was three. We moved down to 00:29:08.035 --> 00:29:11.370 Newport Beach, and we we stayed there and 00:29:11.370 --> 00:29:13.610 got the ranch as a summer place or 00:29:13.610 --> 00:29:15.529 a weekend place because my sisters and I 00:29:15.529 --> 00:29:17.450 were into the horses. And my dad, you 00:29:17.450 --> 00:29:19.710 know, he'd done all those westerns for Republic 00:29:19.769 --> 00:29:21.690 films, and it, you know, occurred to me 00:29:21.690 --> 00:29:24.169 later that,

you know, his neighbors were Rex 00:29:24.169 --> 00:29:28.105 Allen, Bob Hope, Ronald Reagan, you know, twentieth 00:29:28.105 --> 00:29:30.185 Century to Paramount Ranch. So we moved into 00:29:30.185 --> 00:29:32.345 this sort of Hollywood ish, you know, even 00:29:32.345 --> 00:29:34.185 though we're way far away from each other, 00:29:34.185 --> 00:29:36.025 the Santa Monica Mountains, we just had so 00:29:36.025 --> 00:29:38.665 much film history. And Edgar Rice Burroughs was 00:29:38.665 --> 00:29:41.650 our neighbor, you know. And neighbors are like 00:29:41.650 --> 00:29:42.610 a mile... Two miles 00:29:42.610 --> 00:29:43.590 away. Yeah. 00:29:43.970 --> 00:29:48.050 But still, I got into showing horses. What... 00:29:48.050 --> 00:29:49.970 That's what happened for me. And when I 00:29:49.970 --> 00:29:52.690 was nine, I started to compete, and I 00:29:52.690 --> 00:29:54.770 needed to be closer to the horses and 00:29:54.770 --> 00:29:57.225 to that vibe. So I moved up here. 00:29:57.225 --> 00:29:59.225 It was weird because our family kinda split 00:29:59.225 --> 00:30:01.545 between the two homes, and I think my 00:30:01.545 --> 00:30:04.585 older sister actually raised me, actually, from the 00:30:04.585 --> 00:30:08.665 age of nine on, which is not unusual 00:30:08.665 --> 00:30:11.300 too. You know? So, but then I moved 00:30:11.300 --> 00:30:14.420 up there permanently, through my teen years. Moved 00:30:14.420 --> 00:30:16.020 out for a while, went to college and 00:30:16.020 --> 00:30:17.480 all that, but then came back. 00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:20.500 Well, sounds like there's a whole lot more 00:30:20.500 --> 00:30:22.260 we can talk about, but I'm definitely running 00:30:22.260 --> 00:30:25.045 out of time. I'm gonna call you Kirsten. 00:30:25.665 --> 00:30:28.565 Kirsten Kiki Ebsen. Well, 00:30:29.265 --> 00:30:33.045 if I were to be truly, full exposure, 00:30:34.545 --> 00:30:38.880 my first name is Nancy. Nancy Kirsten Ebsen, 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:40.640 and I'm named after my mother and my 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:43.120 father. My mother's name is Nancy. My father's 00:30:43.120 --> 00:30:46.500 name is Christian, and Kirsten is the female 00:30:46.560 --> 00:30:47.140 of that. 00:30:47.914 --> 00:30:50.235 Well, I am so grateful to have you 00:30:50.235 --> 00:30:52.335 on, and and thank you for your time. 00:30:53.355 --> 00:30:53.674 Hopefully, 00:30:53.674 --> 00:30:56.575 I'll have your bandmates on, and we will 00:30:56.715 --> 00:30:57.934 chat again, hopefully. 00:30:58.395 --> 00:30:59.835 Alright. Thanks so much, Jeff. Nice to 00:30:59.835 --> 00:31:02.370 meet you. Man, I really enjoyed that. Thank 00:31:02.370 --> 00:31:03.889 you so much, Kiki, for being a part 00:31:03.889 --> 00:31:05.250 of the show. I do hope I get 00:31:05.250 --> 00:31:08.450 your band members on. I wanna thank everyone 00:31:08.450 --> 00:31:11.090 for being a part of our growing success. 00:31:11.090 --> 00:31:14.395 We're Relatively Famous. This is our season four, 00:31:14.535 --> 00:31:17.415 and, we're excited about it. I wanna thank, 00:31:17.735 --> 00:31:22.135 Nelco Media, our production team, and I wanna 00:31:22.135 --> 00:31:24.294 thank Nelco Comics even though we're not there 00:31:24.294 --> 00:31:26.535 today. We're at the Nelco office. It looks 00:31:26.535 --> 00:31:28.130 a little different. But, hey, if you're looking 00:31:28.130 --> 00:31:30.529 for comic books, check out Nelco Comics in 00:31:30.529 --> 00:31:34.450 San Antonio. If you happen to be related 00:31:34.450 --> 00:31:36.769 to someone famous or know someone related to 00:31:36.769 --> 00:31:38.929 someone famous, I'm always looking for guests. So 00:31:38.929 --> 00:31:40.289 you can reach out to me or if 00:31:40.289 --> 00:31:42.595 you just have comments about the podcast. You 00:31:42.595 --> 00:31:45.255 can reach out to me at podcast relatively 00:31:45.395 --> 00:31:47.895 famous at g mail dot com. That's podcast 00:31:47.955 --> 00:31:51.155 relatively famous at g mail dot com. And, 00:31:51.395 --> 00:31:54.595 go check out Kiki's music. We'll put the 00:31:54.595 --> 00:31:57.690 links in our... In the show notes. Appreciate 00:31:57.690 --> 00:31:58.190 it. 00:31:59.929 --> 00:32:03.049 You've been listening to Relatively Famous with Chip 00:32:03.049 --> 00:32:18.475 White. Please like and subscribe to Relatively Famous