Full Transcript for 'Fruit Fly' by Josh Silver (with Victor Alexander)

like, focus us. 03:10.233 --> 03:11.875 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, focus our energies together. 03:11.895 --> 03:12.595 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to focus. 03:12.635 --> 03:13.135 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 03:13.676 --> 03:14.957 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, I should return the book back. 03:15.057 --> 03:15.857 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 03:15.877 --> 03:16.238 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 03:16.358 --> 03:17.539 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 03:17.559 --> 03:18.279 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one book. 03:18.299 --> 03:19.420 [SPEAKER_01]: Can all of a sudden, she's a librarian. 03:19.440 --> 03:20.781 [SPEAKER_01]: Go on. 03:20.821 --> 03:22.382 [SPEAKER_01]: And you hate a little life. 03:23.047 --> 03:24.268 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really hate a little life. 03:24.628 --> 03:37.516 [SPEAKER_00]: And I can see one similarity apart from it being queer, which is that people are quite, people seem to are quite like something being very readable and like, grossing with it being good. 03:37.916 --> 03:38.276 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 03:40.077 --> 03:55.369 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and especially with a little life me and like a bunch of people I know read that book in like a frenzy and like it was Very captivating and it's a bit like I felt like I was like had a fever or something like Being it that's me as good as that 03:55.809 --> 03:56.790 [SPEAKER_01]: I know a challenge that. 03:56.870 --> 03:59.552 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a lot of things aren't enjoyable. 03:59.932 --> 04:01.133 [SPEAKER_00]: So I know life is not enjoyable. 04:01.153 --> 04:01.813 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what I mean? 04:01.833 --> 04:03.054 [SPEAKER_01]: Like aren't engrossing. 04:03.314 --> 04:04.795 [SPEAKER_01]: Aren't they're not able to do that? 04:04.855 --> 04:20.266 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's 04:25.689 --> 04:35.132 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and I think that's like, oh, enjoyability can be good, but I think what worth I get from it is like I think where I'm with you. 04:35.152 --> 04:37.693 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay What now? 04:38.294 --> 04:44.956 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a bit how I feel I kind of feel like my thing with fruit fly at should we talk about just initial thoughts? 04:45.076 --> 04:45.716 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. 04:45.736 --> 04:47.797 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we can do something else with you the most 04:48.277 --> 05:06.459 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess before we even do initial thoughts, we should tell people what this book is because I'm imagining, oh, yeah I guess we will get to spoiler section at some point, but like let's give people a state setting tell people what this book

is about So it's basically the story of an author and the YA author 05:07.060 --> 05:16.447 [SPEAKER_00]: called Mallory, who is a kind of upper middle-class white lady in the UK, and she's in a marriage. 05:16.807 --> 05:18.529 [SPEAKER_01]: She's kind of emotionally abusive. 05:18.729 --> 05:20.350 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God, that's a twist, I feel. 05:20.370 --> 05:21.851 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was it. 05:21.931 --> 05:22.952 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a twist. 05:23.693 --> 05:24.013 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 05:24.413 --> 05:26.115 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cut this one out. 05:26.895 --> 05:27.856 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's that much of a twist. 05:27.896 --> 05:30.258 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's something that really emerges quite early on. 05:30.278 --> 05:32.780 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it emerges about halfway through. 05:33.700 --> 05:35.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Anywhere there's a qualified to me as like a twist. 05:35.923 --> 05:39.567 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, a twist with years last last pages She's like she's a boring life. 05:39.767 --> 05:47.756 [SPEAKER_00]: So she has a boring life in London She hasn't she's had writers block for seven years and she one night gets drunk 05:48.597 --> 05:59.789 [SPEAKER_00]: downloads grinder and starts trying to meet gay guys so that she kind of like write a book about gays and she's like, yeah, although that didn't, that's not how really it started. 05:59.809 --> 06:07.037 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say I think she downloaded grinder because she was kind of having a nervous breakdown because she's that her husband's like celebration thing. 06:07.297 --> 06:08.598 [SPEAKER_00]: Why did she download it? 06:08.698 --> 06:10.218 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she got really drunk. 06:10.358 --> 06:18.622 [SPEAKER_01]: She had a bad night, and then she was kind of unraveling because of perhaps boilers, because of her feelings about her life. 06:19.162 --> 06:21.643 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she, for some reason, decides to download Grinder. 06:21.943 --> 06:25.565 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think there's a different twist as to why she's this way. 06:25.745 --> 06:27.545 [SPEAKER_01]: We find out about a bit more later. 06:27.725 --> 06:28.146 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 06:28.186 --> 06:29.226 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think, yeah. 06:29.246 --> 06:33.608 [SPEAKER_00]: But she meets this gay drug addict, this young gay drug addict called Leo, who's like, 06:34.168 --> 06:44.117 [SPEAKER_00]: Homeless or like on the edge of homelessness and in like high addiction and the groups of addiction and lives and joy. 06:44.297 --> 06:58.890 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think at a certain point he calls himself like an accidental sex worker as well and so she sees him kind of like in in a rough situation where he gets into like an incident with someone and she kind of 06:59.791 --> 07:12.996 [SPEAKER_01]: has a panic response to trying to save him, and that kind of sets up the rest of the story where she kind of becomes obsessed with this boy, and I guess decides to search writing again, based off of her interactions with him. 07:13.236 --> 07:13.516 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 07:13.796 --> 07:15.697 [SPEAKER_01]: And you kind of, it's a dual narrative, right? 07:15.737 --> 07:16.577 [SPEAKER_01]: This book like a jumps. 07:17.737 --> 07:21.499 [SPEAKER_01]: It jumps between perspective, it jumps between perspective. 07:21.539 --> 07:25.680 [SPEAKER_01]: So one chapter is Mallory and the other one is Leo, who is the boy. 07:26.280 --> 07:31.923 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're following the journey of this, I guess, relationship. 07:32.483 --> 07:33.143 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, does that? 07:33.723 --> 07:35.104 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's pretty much it. 07:35.324 --> 07:35.744 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 07:36.024 --> 07:38.465 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think before you can get into it, you think it's worth reading? 07:39.025 --> 07:39.906 [SPEAKER_01]: Classic book club question. 07:41.949 --> 08:00.860 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think I am a bit of a contrarian in general and I just think when you hear nothing but praise for something that you find fundamentally just very flawed, that can be frustrating. 08:06.363 --> 08:25.594 [SPEAKER_00]: hammering is that the phrase I might be pushing this one a bit too hard it's it's my feelings right now I like Like I enjoyed I definitely enjoyed reading most of it until like the very end I think it was literally at the final part that kind of ruined it for me But I did hate that so much that I was a bit like 08:27.033 --> 08:33.458 [SPEAKER_00]: Shiver at this, but I can't say I was very engrossed and really enjoyed the first like three courses or whatever. 08:33.578 --> 08:39.602 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just that that final bit that I really didn't like and I had my issues with with earlier. 08:40.483 --> 08:44.286 [SPEAKER_01]: I, yeah, I guess for my end, I would probably recommend it. 08:44.306 --> 08:46.348 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was like an enjoyable read. 08:47.008 --> 08:49.290 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though I do have like some feelings about the ending as well. 08:49.970 --> 09:01.077 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, yeah, if you want to have like a fun thing to read that will kind of grip you for, I don't know how fast you read, but like for a day at least, then yeah, yeah, pick it up, give this little gase of money. 09:01.097 --> 09:03.838 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I generally feel the same. 09:04.058 --> 09:05.039 [SPEAKER_00]: I generally feel the same. 09:05.059 --> 09:10.842 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think if I'm talking to my past self, who was so excited to first start reading it, then I'm a bit like, 09:12.238 --> 09:13.099 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get too excited. 09:13.519 --> 09:14.260 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd give warning. 09:14.921 --> 09:25.151 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I think it's I think it's mostly just like kind of the media friends here on this So I'm actually it's not it's not I've genuinely really really really think it ended badly But tell me about this media friends here though.

09:25.631 --> 09:29.075 [SPEAKER_00]: There's just a lot of like everybody loving this book all the time 09:29.503 --> 09:35.688 [SPEAKER_01]: I, like, suddenly, this is the book that I will see all over a waterstone that I'm walking past. 09:35.708 --> 09:40.492 [SPEAKER_01]: The book that's going to, that is currently, like, in AA Smith as, like, the gay book that they'll have. 09:40.532 --> 09:41.153 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 09:41.453 --> 09:45.076 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that category, which is, it was just, like, I see that by, I think I didn't really plug in. 09:45.116 --> 09:47.198 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't read any, I didn't do what I usually do. 09:47.518 --> 09:48.559 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't need any reviews. 09:48.579 --> 09:51.382 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't read any people's thoughts, didn't go to the Goodreads or anything like that. 09:51.462 --> 09:52.943 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I had a friend record, man. 09:52.963 --> 09:53.583 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a friend record. 09:53.603 --> 09:53.844 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:54.104 --> 09:54.885 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a friend record, man. 09:55.785 --> 09:58.507 [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, what did your friends say when they recommended it? 09:58.587 --> 09:59.408 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, she hadn't ready yet. 09:59.588 --> 10:01.129 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, so she just told me about it. 10:01.569 --> 10:03.751 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and then we ended up finishing it around the same time. 10:04.351 --> 10:05.672 [SPEAKER_00]: And, touch she feel about it. 10:06.513 --> 10:08.594 [SPEAKER_00]: She felt similar to me. 10:09.075 --> 10:11.136 [SPEAKER_00]: She had some other interesting gripes. 10:11.396 --> 10:15.919 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought they were like, with the first, but then, yeah, the ending kind of ruined it. 10:15.939 --> 10:19.842 [SPEAKER_01]: But actually, I think she came out of it a bit more forgiving than me. 10:21.240 --> 10:25.584 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, she, um, I didn't realize how big it was when she recommended it to me. 10:25.824 --> 10:26.064 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 10:26.184 --> 10:29.787 [SPEAKER_00]: So I, because I'm not on book talk or on a thing. 10:30.228 --> 10:33.691 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I, uh, flipping through publishers weekly. 10:33.711 --> 10:34.571 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. 10:34.912 --> 10:38.254 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so I was, first I was really excited to read it because I was like, oh, this, 10:39.538 --> 10:45.821 [SPEAKER_00]: We had little book because we had little gay book a little long and then it turned out to be like this huge thing Which I realized like as I was reading it. 10:45.901 --> 11:07.030 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so yeah, so I did completely miss it first We became aware of it as I was reading it maybe I think this maybe like bring this to a good point of like Gay fiction gay narratives and queer narratives that the gay books at the moment we kind of like touched on a little life But like how do you feel about that in general because I feel like I'm very torn What are you talking about? 11:08.078 --> 11:16.190 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like every once in a while the publishing industry will gather in a circle and be like this is the token This is the one. 11:16.291 --> 11:22.440 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then there's a bunch of like other really complex and interesting work that you know is also worth 11:23.040 --> 11:24.221 [SPEAKER_01]: A praising worth looking at. 11:24.281 --> 11:25.841 [SPEAKER_01]: I just sort of get shunted to the side. 11:26.101 --> 11:38.586 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just say I'm like I'm kind of regaining my connection to reading now So I can't really sit here and list you off a list of like this is what I think you should read instead Yeah, it's more like I do I do just find myself suspicious. 11:38.606 --> 11:41.547 [SPEAKER_01]: Why was this the book that kind of is rising to the top? 11:42.027 --> 11:58.583 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel a bit like that too and I have the similar thing to your guess we're not a great pair to explain on this because I think I should read a fair bit but I read I don't tend to keep up with what's big and we're like what's out now. 11:59.163 --> 12:02.225 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't read it because of the moment very often. 12:02.265 --> 12:03.266 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I kind of am similar. 12:03.306 --> 12:14.814 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm more of like a little stuff I keep up with if it's like theory, but like more so fiction and stuff like that is kind of like, I'm, I stick to classics or things that are a bit more. 12:15.074 --> 12:16.895 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think of the last few things I've read. 12:16.955 --> 12:20.078 [SPEAKER_00]: I read, it does not count, but 12:21.198 --> 12:30.363 [SPEAKER_00]: reading time was spent reading all of Chris Claremont's X-Men, so 1970s and 80s X-Men. 12:30.803 --> 12:35.466 [SPEAKER_00]: I read breakfast at Tiffany's recently which is Trimacopoity which is from the 50s. 12:36.486 --> 12:37.327 [SPEAKER_00]: I was reading. 12:37.347 --> 12:39.048 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't finished that. 12:39.108 --> 12:43.290 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of mid dipping it out of there, but I was reading this nonfiction book. 12:43.390 --> 12:43.870 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't go. 12:43.890 --> 12:44.471 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me look up here. 12:44.491 --> 12:46.572 [SPEAKER_00]: It's by it's called Some Men in London. 12:46.592 --> 12:47.032 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 12:47.592 --> 12:54.977 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like a collection of letters that were found of like men some men in London. 12:54.997 --> 12:56.357 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me just... 12:57.438 --> 12:59.541 [SPEAKER_01]: It says live, that's the live episode of Referential. 12:59.881 --> 13:02.805 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we're treating some men in London queer life in 1945 to 1959. 13:02.825 --> 13:04.847 [SPEAKER_00]: So who's the buyer? 13:05.928 --> 13:08.351 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's by Peter Parker, actually. 13:08.371 --> 13:09.293 [SPEAKER_00]: I should have remembered that. 13:09.313 --> 13:09.953 [SPEAKER_00]:

Peter Parker. 13:09.973 --> 13:10.674 [SPEAKER_00]: Peter Parker. 13:10.694 --> 13:11.595 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know he was a... 13:11.655 --> 13:12.617 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know he was a... 13:12.717 --> 13:14.559 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know he was a... Yeah, he was a Spider-Man. 13:14.619 --> 13:15.700 [SPEAKER_01]: In the other Spider-Man, yeah. 13:16.501 --> 13:24.912 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, and it's just like this big anthology with loads of letters from around the time for my different gay man. 13:25.313 --> 13:29.759 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, wait, largely white because it's like London and now, okay, grab it up. 13:29.799 --> 13:30.339 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 13:33.923 --> 13:57.559 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't tend to keep up with like the book at the moment, but I do feel as well like this is another thing this is being compared to a lot is yellow face by RF RFquang and I remember that I didn't know much about that until after I read this I saw them read it I didn't know much about it until after I read this yeah 14:00.881 --> 14:07.164 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it has got a very like eye catching title and this eye catching cover. 14:07.224 --> 14:07.544 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 14:07.664 --> 14:07.904 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 14:08.105 --> 14:10.126 [SPEAKER_00]: But and I remember that being like the cover you. 14:10.206 --> 14:10.506 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 14:10.546 --> 14:11.526 [SPEAKER_01]: Plus good for everywhere. 14:11.546 --> 14:11.646 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 14:11.686 --> 14:13.587 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is eye catching, but it also was everywhere. 14:13.807 --> 14:18.249 [SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, the similarities are a little bit wild to me. 14:18.349 --> 14:19.290 [SPEAKER_00]: When I've read the premise of 14:19.750 --> 14:27.336 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember it because I've not read that book on it, but I remember you described the premise of that book. 14:27.496 --> 14:31.399 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, oh, this kind of reminds me of a rager by personal ever, personal ever. 14:31.859 --> 14:36.702 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, which became American fiction, which was like, I think it came out like two years ago. 14:37.063 --> 14:43.047 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was like an Oscar play movie, but like, it's interesting, he's like meta narrative. 14:43.087 --> 14:45.349 [SPEAKER_01]: That's basically about like, what is the publishing of this stream on? 14:45.649 --> 14:46.770 [SPEAKER_01]: Becoming kind of like the big, 14:47.410 --> 14:49.051 [SPEAKER_01]: books of the moment, you know what I mean? 14:49.111 --> 15:14.162 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, it's really like, um, it's a bit of a weird trend I think because I feel like it, I don't know how I should, I was gonna say I feel like it happened in film in like 20, 30 years ago, these kind of meta narratives, but they're still happening now like Bobby Studio, the studio by Apple TV, like that one thing that's not going to think for a while, yeah, Hollywood loves its own sort of soft reflexive. 15:14.462 --> 15:31.366 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I don't tend to be generally films about Hollywood don't tend to be very big outside of like cinephiles and stuff like January that don't tend to perform like amazing that's like a zeitgeist grabbing just like a critical maybe cinephile thing. 15:31.406 --> 15:35.086 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's like one of my favorite things to watch and I guess I'm those things. 15:35.726 --> 15:37.387 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that kind of like studio narrative. 15:37.927 --> 15:38.527 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean too much. 15:38.547 --> 15:39.627 [SPEAKER_00]: I happen to watch that. 15:39.867 --> 15:42.388 [SPEAKER_00]: I just it was the it's the godfather isn't it's making 15:43.588 --> 15:44.249 [SPEAKER_00]: The studio. 15:44.629 --> 15:51.314 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's, it's, the studio is more so about, like, like, confusing with the one I was thinking you're confusing with something else. 15:51.494 --> 15:58.320 [SPEAKER_01]: The studio is an Apple TV show that's basically like, kind of, the sky plays by Seth Rogan, I think. 15:58.640 --> 16:00.501 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think that was, yeah, I don't know. 16:00.521 --> 16:06.646 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he is like the head of a studio and in the industry today and trying to, like, make something happen. 16:06.666 --> 16:10.089 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, like, one of the jokes, the big jokes and it's, I think they're making, like, 16:10.589 --> 16:31.834 [SPEAKER_01]: cool-aid man movie over here just like let's get iced tea to be cool-aid man there's like this that racist and then like that was the whole episode of those like racist how iced tea is cool-aid man the franchise movie about cool-aid man why are we doing this in the first place you know it's it's fun it's a good it's a good show but yeah it's that kind of meta narrative thing that Hollywood really loves to do in general like that's a trope of Hollywood to do movies about like itself 16:32.174 --> 16:55.503 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, can I just say I found what I, I found what I was confusing with, which is the offer which is about the making of the and it's just got kind of similar posters and the similar title like the studio and the offer and then in the studio he's holding up loads of like film reels and the offer they're all sitting on like directors chairs and stuff so I think that's why I got them confused but yeah, it's the self reflexive kind of yeah, I think it's interesting with the publishing one. 16:55.523 --> 16:59.405 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean one thing I feel like I gave an example now like the studio where it's 17:00.265 --> 17:06.690 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess kind of pointed, but like, I feel like what fruit flies doing is probably just slightly bolder. 17:06.930 --> 17:07.571 [SPEAKER_01]: It's more critical. 17:08.311 --> 17:09.693 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a character in this town. 17:09.793 --> 17:11.394 [SPEAKER_01]: The, I think, the agent. 17:11.594 --> 17:11.934 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 17:12.575 -->

17:17.058 [SPEAKER_01]: And the way that he's written I found was really interesting because he's 17:17.859 --> 17:24.384 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of an asshole, you know, and he's kind of like doing that thing where he's like trying to be like, oh, this is a very sad story. 17:24.945 --> 17:27.146 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you make it sad or more fucked up, you know? 17:27.307 --> 17:39.036 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's like kind of like trying to bring out these tropes and like it kind of makes an emblematic what with publishing industry wants and does and then like you're looking at this book in itself, which has like these stuff. 17:39.056 --> 17:40.297 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say it's very graphic. 17:40.437 --> 17:40.977 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it does 17:41.898 --> 17:53.389 [SPEAKER_01]: get rough sometimes, but I feel like, I guess, there's like specifically what I'm thinking about, it's like the relationship between Leo and Mo, where like we see glimpses a bit, we don't like stick with it, and we hear about it afterwards. 17:53.870 --> 18:05.681 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so it doesn't it delves deeply into it instead, just sort of like it gives you the horrors of what Leo's life is, but like that's kind of like, I feel like not the most pointed critique in it. 18:05.821 --> 18:20.436 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is my, might be going off topics and maybe we should be away from this for a little while, but this was kind of my main issue before the ending was that I felt like it was promising one thing and then what we got was another. 18:20.977 --> 18:25.662 [SPEAKER_00]: So I felt like it was, there's a lot of kind of hype around the whole kind of 18:26.202 --> 18:50.932 [SPEAKER_00]: modern gay CD like lifestyle stuff that is like another thing we were talking I was mentioning earlier before we started recording was JT Lee Roy who I Actually, I think I've ever read either, but as a teenager I was obsessed with the well I was aware of the whole narrative which was basically for those who don't know which was there was a 18:52.152 --> 19:16.585 [SPEAKER_00]: a woman in her like mid-30s writing supposedly autobiographical stuff about like a queer kid like gay or trans kid who like and it was you know because it was the 90s and 2000s it's not like really doing me aided what was what their identity was and it was kind of all their experiences of abuse and drug abuse and being in the system and all this stuff. 19:17.405 --> 19:24.727 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it was supposedly also by graphical actually written by woman in her mid 30s or whatever. 19:25.387 --> 19:37.870 [SPEAKER_00]: And so then she got her, I think it was her sibling in law, to go, like 19 year old sibling in law or whatever, to go and pose as this supposed is author for a long time and it became this like weird. 19:38.510 --> 19:53.167 [SPEAKER_00]: and there's a film about it at the Christian Stewart, which I haven't seen, but I was a bit obsessed with the Azio Gento adaptation of one of the books, which was the heart is just heatful above all things, so it was like a bit too young actually, it was a bit obsessed with that. 19:53.828 --> 19:56.591 [SPEAKER_00]: But to me, it kind of 19:57.820 --> 19:59.121 [SPEAKER_00]: almost promised that. 20:00.262 --> 20:06.726 [SPEAKER_00]: And instead it was kind of a comment on that almost, which is great. 20:07.266 --> 20:19.294 [SPEAKER_00]: But then what it really became to me was a domestic thriller kind of in the vein of it to me was giving girl on the train, which is like subpar. 20:19.314 --> 20:20.535 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not even gone girl. 20:20.555 --> 20:23.537 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, subpar, gone by fucking love gone girl. 20:23.557 --> 20:24.197 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the book. 20:24.237 --> 20:24.998 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the film. 20:25.258 --> 20:26.159 [SPEAKER_00]: I love that film. 20:27.239 --> 20:50.805 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think Gillian flammed the curse the public chicken industry for a while with just like a bunch of like watered down domestic thriller with like I know Like the shop okay minimalist ass kind of covers We're just like a sub-black cover, but there's a silver thread Yeah, it's like f**k you It is all about just like some white women with some dramatic issues. 20:50.865 --> 20:51.465 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like fine. 20:51.485 --> 20:53.265 [SPEAKER_01]: We get it Yeah, it is fun. 20:53.345 --> 20:54.806 [SPEAKER_00]: I think sub-eye would say 20:57.046 --> 21:05.751 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't even reach go, I'm a train, I mean I, you know what, girl on the train was really bad though. 21:05.911 --> 21:07.772 [SPEAKER_00]: It was really, I mean I was going to film, I had to read the book. 21:07.872 --> 21:09.993 [SPEAKER_01]: I read the book as well. 21:10.133 --> 21:12.454 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I watched only the trailer of the film, I was like, I can't. 21:12.514 --> 21:13.395 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, me too. 21:13.415 --> 21:13.835 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 21:14.075 --> 21:14.715 [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely blunt. 21:15.476 --> 21:15.996 [SPEAKER_01]: And we blunt. 21:16.176 --> 21:16.896 [SPEAKER_01]: Make better choices. 21:18.117 --> 21:42.278 [SPEAKER_00]: move it to the state so they said it in the state I think so and then it was Emily Blunt like British in the state I don't know that made no sense to me because I thought the good stuff about it was that it was so British and then like and then I don't know the whole thing was really weird but yeah it was kind of ended up in that kind of I think there's a film version of this what's the name of the end of the last lady calling who Verity has just come out there's a hover 21:42.678 --> 21:43.198 [SPEAKER_00]: That's who it goes. 21:43.238 --> 21:43.599 [SPEAKER_00]: I really do. 21:43.619 --> 21:44.999 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, I don't have the way. 21:45.019 --> 21:45.820 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the way. 21:45.840 --> 21:46.700 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the way. 21:46.720 --> 21:47.461 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the way.

21:47.521 --> 21:48.762 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the way. 21:48.802 --> 21:49.482 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the way. 21:49.502 --> 21:50.202 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the way. 21:50.222 --> 21:50.723 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 21:50.743 --> 21:51.323 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 21:51.343 --> 21:52.023 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 21:52.043 --> 21:52.664 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 21:52.724 --> 21:53.644 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 21:53.664 --> 21:54.405 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 21:54.425 --> 21:55.646 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 21:55.726 --> 21:56.506 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 21:56.546 --> 21:57.307 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 21:57.327 --> 21:58.447 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 21:58.507 --> 21:59.188 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 21:59.308 --> 22:00.048 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 22:00.068 --> 22:00.849 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 22:00.869 --> 22:01.509 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 22:01.529 --> 22:02.069 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 22:02.089 --> 22:02.850 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the way. 22:03.350 --> 22:06.772 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it was kind of ended up being that. 22:06.792 --> 22:07.633 [SPEAKER_01]: To domestic thriller. 22:07.873 --> 22:11.575 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which I, and it, and not a good version of that, I don't think. 22:12.095 --> 22:14.557 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was kind of, I was even when it became that to me. 22:14.577 --> 22:16.078 [SPEAKER_00]: When it became a parent, it was going to be that. 22:16.618 --> 22:30.987 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, I kind of like this because, because I liked the idea of like playing with this kind of caricature of a white woman that we've got now of this kind of, I'm so into voting right now, white woman. 22:31.847 --> 22:37.649 [SPEAKER_00]: and I like the idea of kind of digging deep into her fascination with kind of gay culture and stuff. 22:38.069 --> 22:51.052 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did find it really, I just thought it was a bit shallow and I thought, yeah, I thought it was really shallow that specifically what you're talking about there, about like the sort of white womanhood because this is a book that like does something I have very interested in which is basically like deal with tropes. 22:51.272 --> 23:03.815 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're kind of like, like you said, this is the, I'm so into voting right now, woman meets the tragic gay sex worker drug addict man from history skin, you know, them interacting and whatever. 23:04.236 --> 23:11.458 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, I guess us as readers, getting inside at how the different brutalities of their lives, right? 23:11.678 --> 23:13.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Though I wouldn't necessarily compare them, but you know what I mean? 23:14.118 --> 23:15.599 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the brutal and their own specific ways. 23:15.699 --> 23:19.380 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I think that was kind of a missed opportunity for

me. 23:20.500 --> 23:41.820 [SPEAKER_01]: But go on, sorry, you thought, oh, no, I'm just going to say that like it does do all that, but like specifically on the way Mallory is written like I found it I found I didn't find it very believable all the time because like, I remember there was this one point like very early on of the stars she's download is grinder, I was like, you know what grinder is, but you don't know what the word top and bottom mean. 23:42.280 --> 23:56.870 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you watch all of drag race, you understand that gay people don't speak like that, you know, like to meet with it was hard The kind of classical naivety of the tea party stuff, which is also not a thing. 23:57.150 --> 23:59.552 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they made up tea party for that joke 24:00.072 --> 24:04.095 [SPEAKER_00]: Tea party is people to say tea party people said tea party. 24:04.295 --> 24:21.805 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh when I think like Early 2000s I remember seeing that like on grinder and stuff, but like it's not Yeah Early grinder is what I mean it doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be accurate rest house kind of thing Well, I was gonna say it doesn't have to be accurate, but 24:22.907 --> 24:43.716 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it was just a little bit off a little bit in just like the it doesn't have to be accurate No, it's just it's noticeable when it's just kind of held up as and also again Because I'm like two queer people who interact with a lot of white women It's not the white women we know even the form that is kind of like being parodied It's not quite like that and I think that maybe like 24:44.556 --> 25:02.563 [SPEAKER_01]: Confuses us or confuses me because I'm like, I'm a queer person in England, which is what this book is doing right and like I know what that woman is like and she's not quite like that at least But I am in Brighton, so there's a lot of things that might make it not very pure, but yeah, that really wrapped up against me and that made me kind of like 25:03.643 --> 25:29.923 [SPEAKER_01]: I obviously I have had people in my life who can get huge and risky behavior and all of that and I'm not like Yeah, there was something about like the quote unquote tragedy of Leo that felt a bit hackneyed You know like a felt a bit tropey in a way that didn't feel like it was quite full fleshed out I like for me I just I didn't think it was from his perspective and kind of I have this book is in the really about him No, but then he takes up so much of it. 25:29.983 --> 25:32.785 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's like his stuff just came across as 25:33.345 --> 25:43.395 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so kind of surface level too, and especially as that, that being kind of pushed just kind of the main gimmick of the, but that was its kind of main selling point. 25:43.495 --> 25:46.558 [SPEAKER_00]: And then for that to be so shallow, it was really disappointing to me. 25:47.447 --> 25:48.388 [SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of get it. 25:48.468 --> 25:49.990 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even want to say it was shallow. 25:50.531 --> 25:55.196 [SPEAKER_01]: Personally, because I feel like it was, I felt like it was a shallow in terms of... 25:55.637 --> 26:00.082 [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to say that Victor is really stressed out because one day he's going to inevitably release his own best selling book. 26:00.182 --> 26:03.807 [SPEAKER_01]: He's able to be friends with just silver for everything similar to much. 26:04.247 --> 26:07.329 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was just an actual concern that Victor talked to me. 26:07.449 --> 26:09.409 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was a hilarious joke. 26:09.770 --> 26:10.990 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a very hilarious joke. 26:11.050 --> 26:12.251 [SPEAKER_01]: No, laughter in anywhere you. 26:12.431 --> 26:14.292 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because you never laugh on my hilarious jokes. 26:14.412 --> 26:15.732 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have to just keep making noise. 26:15.752 --> 26:16.733 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you should try making funny. 26:16.933 --> 26:20.475 [SPEAKER_00]: So what I was going to say was that it just seemed a bit shall. 26:20.535 --> 26:20.855 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't. 26:21.515 --> 26:23.696 [SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't all that much there there. 26:23.776 --> 26:24.056 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 26:24.256 --> 26:24.937 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there wasn't. 26:25.637 --> 26:29.818 [SPEAKER_00]: much of a twist like the or their much depth to what he was doing. 26:29.838 --> 26:33.139 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there was an interesting aspect to him where he was very manipulative. 26:33.179 --> 26:37.181 [SPEAKER_00]: He was kind of make his life more his you know and life more tragic. 26:37.201 --> 26:40.602 [SPEAKER_00]: He would make up stories when actually he had fairly supportive parents. 26:40.702 --> 26:45.283 [SPEAKER_00]: You know that that was a really interesting not really interesting that was a 26:51.905 --> 26:59.167 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was just a bit of a shame for me that there was nothing, there was no great insight there at all. 26:59.647 --> 27:01.908 [SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of stuff we've seen before. 27:01.928 --> 27:04.029 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen Mysterious Skin, we've seen, yeah. 27:04.149 --> 27:05.889 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like a play on existing trouble. 27:06.029 --> 27:08.350 [SPEAKER_01]: J-T-E-L-E-Roy has been a thing for a day like 27:10.074 --> 27:27.921 [SPEAKER_01]: who's that girl from, you know what I mean at YouTube page where it was like it was like one of the first ever YouTube series where it's like this girl who's like this web coming and then they started adding like narratives and people realize it was like fake you know what I'm just like something lonely girl about all of us. 27:28.641 --> 27:30.682 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of get what you mean actually. 27:30.842 --> 27:32.943 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why my mind is just going. 27:32.963 --> 27:33.663 [SPEAKER_00]: I need to show you 27:37.765 --> 27:42.867 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if it's like enough time

for us, do we need to actually address it? 27:42.887 --> 27:45.027 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Jay-Tili Royan, and when I'm a writer. 27:45.327 --> 27:48.448 [SPEAKER_00]: I love this, this could be the episode cover. 27:48.508 --> 27:49.009 [SPEAKER_00]: That's my screen. 27:49.029 --> 27:52.810 [SPEAKER_01]: This could be the episode cover, just so you guys know what I mean. 27:52.970 --> 27:56.651 [SPEAKER_01]: It will be in the slide show, which you can find on Instagram, which you should follow and join that. 27:56.791 --> 27:58.432 [SPEAKER_01]: But what I was going to say, my love. 27:58.652 --> 28:03.875 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think we've talked enough to actually address the spoiler thoughts that we have? 28:04.576 --> 28:05.936 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're like 30 minutes. 28:06.057 --> 28:08.098 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's been spoilers all the way down, hasn't it? 28:08.258 --> 28:10.699 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think we've directly said. 28:10.839 --> 28:14.181 [SPEAKER_01]: This is why Vixer didn't like the ending. 28:14.542 --> 28:15.822 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, what happened? 28:16.163 --> 28:17.523 [SPEAKER_01]: Should we go to spoiler territory? 28:17.703 --> 28:19.004 [SPEAKER_00]: We could go to spoiler territory. 28:19.064 --> 28:19.985 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I just wanted to... 28:20.910 --> 28:21.651 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything? 28:21.691 --> 28:22.971 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I've said I thought it was a show. 28:23.011 --> 28:24.092 [SPEAKER_01]: I could give it a rating. 28:24.112 --> 28:24.912 [SPEAKER_00]: Really about him. 28:25.132 --> 28:32.355 [SPEAKER_01]: We could give it like a rating out of Let's say ten fruit flies on a melon 28:33.460 --> 28:56.483 [SPEAKER_00]: ten proof points that we can do better than that ten grains of oh ten crystals of meth how many crystals of meth out of ten what do you give this ten crystals I'm trying to find another one because like we're doing the gay thing what ten grains of ketones what would be the white what woman thing that we could go up would be ten bottles of wine you know peanut water yeah shardness 28:56.823 --> 28:57.744 [SPEAKER_01]: Shots on the neck. 28:58.324 --> 29:00.145 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, 10 crystals of math. 29:00.665 --> 29:01.266 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to go first? 29:01.286 --> 29:01.926 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want me to go first? 29:01.946 --> 29:02.506 [SPEAKER_01]: You go first. 29:02.967 --> 29:04.988 [SPEAKER_01]: I would give this a seven. 29:05.008 --> 29:06.869 [SPEAKER_01]: I would give it a six. 29:07.249 --> 29:07.509 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 29:07.949 --> 29:15.373 [SPEAKER_00]: I think my my critiques are quite severe and and kind of like that look on your face. 29:16.014 --> 29:23.238 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my my critiques are quite severe, but the experience of reading most of it was really good. 29:23.298 --> 29:23.518 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 29:23.838 --> 29:31.685 [SPEAKER_00]: And I will also add that I am excited to read more of his stuff in the future. 29:31.905 --> 29:39.572 [SPEAKER_00]: I really didn't like this in a lot of ways, but I think there was like a lot there. 29:39.732 --> 29:43.936 [SPEAKER_00]: It was very like I had a lot of out loud reactions, which I didn't tend to have an 29:48.800 --> 29:50.521 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like this man can write. 29:50.661 --> 29:59.645 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't particularly like think this is the perfect book but I never think of that But like I think that like I'm excited to see how much better he gets I think it will get so much better. 29:59.665 --> 30:00.185 [SPEAKER_01]: Me too. 30:00.285 --> 30:01.706 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's a name on my list now. 30:02.026 --> 30:04.367 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree and I also like 30:05.047 --> 30:20.463 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got this is going off into some weird parasocial territory now, but I've seen interviews with him now, where it's like, he's kind of alluded to having a past similar to, oh sorry, like, to Leo. 30:21.424 --> 30:27.991 [SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of feel like maybe a lot of this was an attempt to kind of, 30:28.743 --> 30:39.692 [SPEAKER_00]: begin to write about those experiences without having to fully delve into it because you've got this other storyline, this domestic thriller storyline to to kind of maybe hide behind a little bit. 30:39.832 --> 30:40.092 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 30:40.112 --> 30:46.678 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm interested to see what he does in the future that could perhaps be more authentic to like contemporary gay life. 30:47.299 --> 31:07.857 [SPEAKER_01]: yeah or like completely nothing to do with gay life because like i said he's an engaging writer so i find myself like you're next book i'm going to um i'm going to look into and i kind of hope that like i want to see you take a crack about something that isn't necessarily about gay is it could feature gay and i'm saying that i don't want that but like you know i think like i like i said you're someone this is why i give them seven 31:08.517 --> 31:35.667 [SPEAKER_01]: because I think I'm usually a generous person but because like I like the book and after I actually want to check out your work I feel like oh that's a seven that's close to like something that I would just outright enjoy and like I would recommend this book to people depending on what I think they like and I think they'd enjoy and yeah I think it's also it's been a good summer book I've been and looking for like my summer book you know to be the book that like I had thought about I think this out of everything that I've read and 31:37.528 --> 31:39.329 [SPEAKER_01]: left me with a little bit more to chew on. 31:39.789 --> 31:42.970 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if it's not necessarily because I thought it was perfect. 31:43.930 --> 31:53.374 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like we've had the book that's nothing about queer people already, which is this? 31:53.974 --> 31:58.476 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, the gays stuff really by the end of it, the gays stuff really really felt like window dressing.

31:58.596 --> 31:59.276 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 31:59.596 --> 32:01.197 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so spoiler territory. 32:01.657 --> 32:07.219 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, before we fully delve into that, I will say, thank you all so much for listening. 32:07.319 --> 32:10.420 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no referential book club, whatever, maybe. 32:11.020 --> 32:18.003 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and, um, leave a fucking rating and review, you stupid bitch, uh, and like our page. 32:18.403 --> 32:20.644 [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, is there anything else that I'm, uh, neglecting? 32:21.104 --> 32:23.965 [SPEAKER_00]: Follow me on Instagram, at Ugly on Disco Nies. 32:24.085 --> 32:26.486 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and follow me on Instagram, at also Perp. 32:26.526 --> 32:29.187 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, um, Zina, video episode. 32:29.567 --> 32:30.687 [SPEAKER_01]: on the way soon. 32:30.807 --> 32:32.107 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll finish it today. 32:33.248 --> 32:39.269 [SPEAKER_00]: See, as Victor's working on that now, as well as like a few exciting things actually that you and I have been Yes, talking about. 32:39.289 --> 32:39.649 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 32:39.789 --> 32:41.229 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, so thank you. 32:41.269 --> 32:42.429 [SPEAKER_01]: You can tune off now. 32:42.709 --> 32:43.189 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 32:43.490 --> 32:44.850 [SPEAKER_01]: And now you spoil the horrors. 32:45.270 --> 32:46.430 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into it. 32:46.930 --> 32:48.150 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, basically. 32:48.170 --> 32:50.811 [SPEAKER_01]: You need to be flying sounds, I think, to love the noise. 32:50.891 --> 32:51.471 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah. 32:51.551 --> 32:52.251 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, buzz buzz. 32:53.011 --> 32:55.532 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so my main issue 32:57.953 --> 32:59.394 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it really falls apart. 32:59.594 --> 33:03.837 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a lot of issues give us the narrative though Like tell people like this is what happens in the end. 33:03.857 --> 33:04.178 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 33:04.198 --> 33:18.009 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where really falls apart is There's a big I think fairly contrived confrontation and obvious Confrontation is where he reads this book and it's all tragic and he gets really angry so he holds her up 33:19.070 --> 33:39.567 [SPEAKER_00]: knife point in her kitchen, he holds a hostage at night point and then her mom and her evil abusive husband are there and they're all there at night point and they have this underwhelming confrontation and then that cuts out we get a chapter from her book 33:40.268 --> 33:47.473 [SPEAKER_00]: which is like a fictionalised version of how that confrontation worked out, which is also the final chapter of the book that she's been trying to figure out. 33:47.633 --> 33:56.319 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it ends with the evil husband stabbing the Leo equivalent, the Leo counterpart in that chapter. 33:57.459 --> 34:12.703 [SPEAKER_00]: But you never find out if that really happened or not, and then it cuts to her, a month and a year and a half later, having left her husband, which is so frustrating, I had to climb out to it, because that's been the whole tension of the book. 34:13.123 --> 34:14.684 [SPEAKER_00]: I was genuinely tense with that. 34:14.884 --> 34:17.444 [SPEAKER_00]: And we don't actually know what happened. 34:17.464 --> 34:18.785 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what happens there. 34:19.905 --> 34:21.386 [SPEAKER_00]: She's very traumatized. 34:21.646 --> 34:24.167 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of her kind of press tour. 34:24.207 --> 34:29.270 [SPEAKER_00]: She's very rich and then Leah, at this point she's finished the book. 34:29.290 --> 34:30.130 [SPEAKER_01]: It's sold. 34:30.790 --> 34:33.212 [SPEAKER_01]: She's at the way she's sold for a hundred thousand pounds. 34:33.292 --> 34:34.352 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in the UK. 34:34.492 --> 34:35.593 [SPEAKER_01]: And then more in the stand. 34:35.613 --> 34:38.634 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I think this had like five to six times more than that. 34:38.814 --> 34:42.816 [SPEAKER_01]: So she's like the speaking of like the authors of the moment, you know, the girl. 34:42.876 --> 34:46.318 [SPEAKER_01]: The girl is, you know, she was a white zedysman. 34:46.358 --> 34:47.979 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, white queer zedysman. 34:49.139 --> 35:02.626 [SPEAKER_01]: and like her career is like really like burgeoning and yeah and so we meet her again in the press tour and it's like the launch of the book yeah yeah the press launch at like the the flagship waterstone yeah 35:04.146 --> 35:06.687 [SPEAKER_00]: Which I love that like, I used to go in that other time. 35:06.707 --> 35:09.167 [SPEAKER_01]: I really wanted to land here. 35:09.187 --> 35:15.569 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like giving this speech and that's when we cut back and see Leo, who's in recovery. 35:15.769 --> 35:16.709 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:16.729 --> 35:21.450 [SPEAKER_01]: And he decides to go to being the audience, not really talk to her, confront her. 35:21.910 --> 35:26.951 [SPEAKER_01]: But then the final chapters are like, and also another thing about Leo is that he's like a poet. 35:27.152 --> 35:29.752 [SPEAKER_01]: And like he loves English and he loves writing, this has been throughout the book. 35:29.872 --> 35:30.112 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 35:33.613 --> 35:36.094 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who says like, okay, I'm interested if he said he said he's something better. 35:36.574 --> 35:36.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:36.834 --> 35:37.474 [SPEAKER_01]: He'll gay man. 35:37.794 --> 35:42.416 [SPEAKER_01]: And then so he sends him another pitch that is after this. 35:42.596 --> 35:45.717 [SPEAKER_01]: After she sees him by the way, and she kind of has it like a breakdown on stage. 35:46.257 --> 35:57.381 [SPEAKER_01]: He sends him another pitch where he tells him, oh, I want to do this book where this gay guy had a therapist who fucked him up or a writer that fucked him up, basically. 35:57.401 --> 36:01.222 [SPEAKER_01]: No, a therapist that fucked him up,

basically he wants to like the sequel of her book. 36:01.342 --> 36:01.562 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 36:01.822 --> 36:08.504 [SPEAKER_01]: where the drug addict queer guy seeks revenge by driving her crazy in her new sort of life and house. 36:08.744 --> 36:10.244 [SPEAKER_00]: But then he does that. 36:10.725 --> 36:13.145 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it ends with him at our front door. 36:13.245 --> 36:18.527 [SPEAKER_01]: I have front door watching her and saying that like, oh, I'm about to start writing my book. 36:18.847 --> 36:24.728 [SPEAKER_01]: As an implying that he's about to start manipulating and harassing her and trying to get her to lose her mind and all that. 36:24.949 --> 36:27.629 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is like where did this rage come from? 36:28.209 --> 36:28.730 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what? 36:28.990 --> 36:29.430 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just 36:30.510 --> 36:33.491 [SPEAKER_00]: He threw out is just so underdeveloped. 36:33.511 --> 36:39.333 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I've already said I might have already said this He came across to me as such window dressing in this thing. 36:39.353 --> 36:51.476 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like a bit of gay Seasoning to sprinkle on this quite sub par not sub par Actually, but somewhat standard domestic thriller. 36:51.676 --> 36:53.597 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm at this point which 36:54.257 --> 37:08.970 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that was very frustrating on the one hand and then the other thing that was very frustrating to me about this ending was how anti-climactic it was I don't want an obvious ending like I don't want that, but when you suddenly sleep in with the enemy of it 37:09.090 --> 37:10.131 [SPEAKER_01]: and I don't know if you ever seen that. 37:10.191 --> 37:11.252 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know if you haven't. 37:11.332 --> 37:16.856 [SPEAKER_01]: But basically she's like an abused wife who decides to run away from a marriage of fake her death. 37:17.337 --> 37:19.919 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think maybe like accidentally trying to her. 37:19.939 --> 37:25.163 [SPEAKER_01]: I was but I don't actually remember the details, but basically she like moves to a small town and then like she starts feeling that he's still around. 37:25.223 --> 37:26.604 [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's going crazy in them. 37:26.844 --> 37:30.587 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he like reemerges to try and like kill her and she kills him again. 37:30.867 --> 37:32.127 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's not a great film. 37:33.147 --> 37:33.808 [SPEAKER_00]: I have heard of it. 37:34.088 --> 37:34.888 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those films. 37:34.928 --> 37:36.588 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I've got one of the details wrong. 37:36.628 --> 37:38.989 [SPEAKER_01]: One of those films, I was always on television. 37:39.009 --> 37:40.669 [SPEAKER_01]: I kept thinking about that when I got to the ending. 37:40.689 --> 37:44.350 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, we're doing sleeping at the end of the movie. 37:44.630 --> 37:56.772 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, I found it, I found, and what really frustrated me about the end of the project ending was that I thought that he had managed to do such a good job building suspense and such a kind of lost 37:57.712 --> 38:01.135 [SPEAKER_01]: Low stakes in quotation marks, press on stakes, like small. 38:01.155 --> 38:01.755 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 38:01.775 --> 38:02.596 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fixed for two people. 38:02.696 --> 38:03.477 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. 38:04.077 --> 38:19.150 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought he'd managed to write a very gripping thriller where it was surrounding this emotional abuse and he managed to make that, as the aspect of it was unfolding, I was very gripped by that. 38:19.570 --> 38:25.555 [SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that it would end so badly was very annoying. 38:25.655 --> 38:35.142 [SPEAKER_00]: It was very annoying, especially because if you think of the girl in the train, it was like all about murder. 38:35.702 --> 38:41.987 [SPEAKER_00]: Gone girls, like about insane murder and you should listen to all that. 38:42.107 --> 38:50.873 [SPEAKER_00]: But it was also so much about a critique of the press of the state of entertainment, not entertainment journalism, but like of media. 38:54.696 --> 38:59.639 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Those have been probably speak your name. 38:59.959 --> 39:09.764 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I hate no, but also Trent Brezmer and Atticus Ross So like that those people in music in that film What race with their spoon you freak that one? 39:09.924 --> 39:13.025 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you did and thank you so much I'm not being so much for not being in it. 39:13.125 --> 39:14.306 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you wanted to so badly. 39:14.386 --> 39:22.210 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you for I don't I still don't forgive you for the AI stuff Or or the morning show I don't 39:22.991 --> 39:23.611 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't forgive you. 39:23.671 --> 39:24.692 [SPEAKER_01]: I forgive the morning show. 39:24.953 --> 39:25.553 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course you do. 39:25.633 --> 39:26.314 [SPEAKER_01]: I forgive the morning show. 39:26.554 --> 39:29.998 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's That in my thing about the morning show. 39:30.058 --> 39:38.787 [SPEAKER_00]: It's 9-1-1, but with more money No, what's so funny about the morning show is how boring season one because I my mom loves it Yeah, sorry everyone about the morning show. 39:39.027 --> 39:44.012 [SPEAKER_00]: My mom loves it and I was like, oh, maybe I could get into this because it's so bad shit and Steve 39:44.693 --> 39:53.576 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I went back to the beginning and I was like, oh, they thought this was prestige television and then it just became like true blood It became like, oh, I get it for Alice's going to space guys. 39:53.736 --> 39:54.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, did she go to space? 39:54.836 --> 39:56.117 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes You told me about this. 39:56.217 --> 39:56.957 [SPEAKER_01]: She went to space. 39:56.997 --> 40:05.080 [SPEAKER_01]: He was literally 9-1-1 When she was, you were, yeah,

literally and then she's fucking like Elon Musk Oh, she went to space like Katy Perry went to space. 40:05.100 --> 40:07.461 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes Oh Okay, that's cool. 40:07.481 --> 40:11.262 [SPEAKER_01]: Angela Bassett actually went to the International Space Station and sold to murder Stop the murder. 40:11.322 --> 40:11.482 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah 40:12.417 --> 40:14.797 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it a murder actually, of a natural event? 40:15.865 --> 40:16.925 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I want my spoilers. 40:16.945 --> 40:19.066 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's been a year, guys. 40:19.146 --> 40:20.206 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on. 40:20.306 --> 40:21.746 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to say the spoiler section. 40:21.786 --> 40:22.827 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't even watch 911. 40:22.887 --> 40:25.647 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, so this is something I've been pitching to Victor. 40:25.947 --> 40:32.129 [SPEAKER_01]: We're literally the past eight months of like, Victor, I need you to just sit down and watch in these nine or one episodes. 40:32.149 --> 40:33.149 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can speak about them on the car. 40:33.169 --> 40:34.309 [SPEAKER_00]: I will do it. 40:34.409 --> 40:37.170 [SPEAKER_01]: I need you guys to mobilize and start pressuring him. 40:37.190 --> 40:39.911 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think that would be my magnum opus. 40:40.131 --> 40:40.431 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes. 40:40.751 --> 40:42.431 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, um, what? 40:42.511 --> 40:43.271 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to the bus. 40:43.472 --> 40:43.852 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing. 40:43.952 --> 40:44.952 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she did do the thing. 40:46.012 --> 40:55.579 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I'm excited to read a bit more of an honest, mm-hmm, well, that's not fair. 40:56.240 --> 40:57.981 [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to go straight romantic next time. 40:58.402 --> 40:59.382 [SPEAKER_01]: I do interested to see him. 40:59.522 --> 41:06.648 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see him try something different because I think there's the other thing that I always worry about with identity writers, right? 41:07.168 --> 41:12.472 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that if you will, they almost will always end up being pigeonholed to writing about the identity, 41:15.554 --> 41:29.610 [SPEAKER_01]: right about and if that's what he wants to do great if he has like a lot of stories and what queerness of the queer experience um great do it but like and i would love to read it but like i think it'd be interested because like i said he's an engaging writer and i didn't particularly love all of the smoke but i want to see what else he does 41:30.467 --> 41:44.792 [SPEAKER_00]: I want a version, not necessarily from him, I want a version of what I want, what they promised to me, what these publishers promised me, I want like some funny, gay. 41:45.652 --> 41:49.833 [SPEAKER_00]: Thriller, you know like I I want that that's not this so much. 41:49.913 --> 41:53.514 [SPEAKER_01]: I wish you wanted to get into this old barossie Sorry, but here. 41:53.734 --> 41:56.595 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wanted to do something else as well. 41:56.775 --> 42:06.638 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh You would indulge me, which is I'm interested in and again We're not the two best people to speak about this because we don't talk about me. 42:06.718 --> 42:09.359 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a doctor a doctor of what me the 42:14.680 --> 42:18.902 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I've got yeah, I've got some yeah I was thinking about how I was gonna. 42:18.962 --> 42:31.087 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I doctor all your pictures to make you look less like shit I was gonna say something like well, I'm I couldn't quite put it together You can stuck and you can work on that one you need to move what I was trying to work on it Okay, milk covered bitch. 42:31.427 --> 42:32.108 [SPEAKER_00]: We're cutting now. 42:32.868 --> 42:39.391 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, yeah, we are We are the ones you're exposed, so what was my point? 42:39.851 --> 42:40.211 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. 42:40.231 --> 42:44.093 [SPEAKER_00]: So I want to talk about, even though we're not the best two people to talk, we need to just get rid of our attention. 42:44.733 --> 42:47.774 [SPEAKER_00]: What I would want to talk about is the kind of current step. 42:47.874 --> 42:54.397 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're not the best people to talk about this because we don't really can talk about what we don't keep up with, like, what's coming out. 42:54.657 --> 42:54.817 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:55.197 --> 43:05.261 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm interested in the kind of current state of authors and how they've been absorbed. 43:05.281 --> 43:08.002 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, everything's been absorbed into the influence for economy. 43:09.743 --> 43:13.064 [SPEAKER_00]: And I hate to say this. 43:13.805 --> 43:19.647 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if he would be this successful if he wasn't hot. 43:20.327 --> 43:20.527 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 43:20.928 --> 43:21.648 [SPEAKER_01]: Why did he say this? 43:21.688 --> 43:22.508 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's important. 43:22.668 --> 43:23.409 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. 43:23.429 --> 43:23.509 [SPEAKER_00]: Why? 43:23.949 --> 43:24.669 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't want to. 43:24.689 --> 43:25.830 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels a bit reductive. 43:25.870 --> 43:27.050 [SPEAKER_00]: It is. 43:27.110 --> 43:27.830 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's in the mix. 43:28.891 --> 43:29.511 [SPEAKER_00]: It is in the mix. 43:29.651 --> 43:30.311 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 43:30.592 --> 43:35.954 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think you were talking to me about like I've been watching a lot of interviews and he's been being pushed out for a lot of interviews. 43:36.014 --> 43:36.954 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 43:40.559 --> 43:41.980 [SPEAKER_01]: Not a lot of people will get those opportunities. 43:42.901 --> 43:53.309 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, they wouldn't, not a lot of people will get, and he's a attractive gay man who looks like conventionally attractive, the way that they're specifically the UK likes their gay boys to look like. 43:53.389 --> 44:06.799

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, and also I think there's an element there where, and I don't mean this is to be harsh, but like there's an element there where he's a gay man who has their own relationship with addiction 44:10.001 --> 44:16.186 [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's an element where he's being pushed out of like a cautionary tail and also like as an educator, you know what I mean? 44:16.466 --> 44:20.249 [SPEAKER_01]: But it also was like a child's like an element of like respectability. 44:20.729 --> 44:21.470 [SPEAKER_01]: Then he happened it. 44:21.510 --> 44:23.771 [SPEAKER_01]: Like so he's you know what I mean? 44:23.831 --> 44:26.933 [SPEAKER_00]: Well he has that past but then he's a sub-emental health. 44:26.953 --> 44:27.954 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly. 44:28.034 --> 44:32.077 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he's like a respectable face that we can push out, you know, or that the... 44:33.718 --> 44:41.242 [SPEAKER_01]: the stakeholders of our media and our society will feel like this someone is an acceptable version of queerness that we can bring into the mainstream. 44:41.262 --> 44:42.703 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that is that is like hasn't a fact. 44:42.803 --> 44:44.083 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm being attractive. 44:44.143 --> 44:45.564 [SPEAKER_01]: I think him being young. 44:45.984 --> 44:47.145 [SPEAKER_01]: I think him being a man. 44:47.165 --> 44:50.106 [SPEAKER_01]: I think and all of that works in concert. 44:50.226 --> 44:54.028 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean that is the, you know, I will say there is always one token of the moment. 44:54.088 --> 44:54.929 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean you're not 44:56.007 --> 44:57.328 [SPEAKER_00]: good writing. 44:57.448 --> 44:57.788 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 44:58.828 --> 45:02.249 [SPEAKER_01]: Or that you don't have anything to contribute a value that is even like worthy of my attention. 45:02.269 --> 45:02.690 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 45:02.710 --> 45:03.410 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think you do. 45:03.810 --> 45:04.290 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:04.350 --> 45:12.393 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that I think those are like all very superficial things that I think the upsetting part is like how the system responds to you because of them. 45:12.574 --> 45:12.814 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:12.914 --> 45:13.374 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not you. 45:13.814 --> 45:14.054 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:14.074 --> 45:14.714 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a ceremony. 45:14.874 --> 45:17.035 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, like I'm this is only what I'm interested in their work. 45:17.575 --> 45:23.758 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, you know, there's a lot of shit around that might mean I pick up next time next book that comes out and it's a little read-up. 45:24.358 --> 45:26.460 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and I hope you wouldn't be over. 45:26.780 --> 45:37.289 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just, it's interesting how the, I mean, to get published often, it seems to be that you have to have a, this kind of very strong social media presence, and, 45:39.115 --> 45:43.819 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or you have to have written something kind of a can build you that. 45:43.979 --> 45:50.544 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that it can kind of lead you to or have some kind of, because he was a West End Star or something apparently. 45:50.584 --> 45:51.325 [SPEAKER_00]: He was a dancer. 45:51.765 --> 45:52.666 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I think now he's a nurse. 45:53.386 --> 45:54.507 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now he's a nurse. 45:54.627 --> 45:55.688 [SPEAKER_00]: Now he's a mental health nurse. 45:56.049 --> 45:57.590 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he was a nurse thing until now. 45:58.270 --> 45:59.031 [SPEAKER_00]: Please stop shaking. 45:59.291 --> 46:00.232 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry. 46:00.773 --> 46:03.597 [SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to do it subtly so we wouldn't have to stop the thing. 46:03.957 --> 46:05.520 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I'm sorry. 46:06.060 --> 46:06.802 [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot where I was. 46:07.302 --> 46:07.563 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. 46:08.284 --> 46:08.824 [SPEAKER_01]: West End Star. 46:09.656 --> 46:11.477 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so he was a west end, so there's something to push. 46:12.358 --> 46:14.659 [SPEAKER_00]: I did actually, saying he was a west end star. 46:14.679 --> 46:15.600 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it might be an exaggeration. 46:15.620 --> 46:18.962 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was a west end character person. 46:19.302 --> 46:20.983 [SPEAKER_00]: He was on stage. 46:21.023 --> 46:25.926 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I said, I think he was, he was, yeah, I think it was chorus or swing. 46:25.946 --> 46:27.847 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like a dancer, like a feature player. 46:28.288 --> 46:29.849 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, actually, anything about him. 46:29.869 --> 46:32.730 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what I remember from when I read of his biography. 46:33.111 --> 46:33.491 [SPEAKER_01]: Really? 46:33.871 --> 46:34.912 [SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah. 46:36.522 --> 47:00.488 [SPEAKER_00]: and it seems to me it's kind of interesting how authors could be these kind of anonymous characters at some point and now there's like people who were knowing there was this one guy who I can't remember I'm not going to look him up now because it's going to take me forever but he turns out there was just this guy that comes up with my TikTok a lot of telling you fun facts about whatever and then it turned out his primary job is as an author 47:01.028 --> 47:03.149 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, not investing in a journalist. 47:03.870 --> 47:15.356 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, um, there was this guy that like his primary job was as an author and he and I had no idea because he's just, he was a Tik Toker to me. 47:15.416 --> 47:18.497 [SPEAKER_00]: But in fact, it was actually he was doing Tik Tok in order to sell books. 47:18.578 --> 47:18.838 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 47:19.218 --> 47:21.159 [SPEAKER_00]: And it kind of became the opposite to me. 47:21.499 --> 47:22.760 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know. 47:22.880 --> 47:27.383 [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting how just everyone gets sucked into the influence of what I mean. 47:27.423 --> 47:32.586 [SPEAKER_01]: This whole full vortex, which is a really rough note to end on. 47:32.646 --> 47:37.950 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think yes, but so that was fruit fly. 47:38.010 --> 47:39.851 [SPEAKER_01]: That was I guess our first referential book club. 47:40.291 --> 47:41.172 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's one. 47:41.232 --> 47:41.873 [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed that. 47:42.133 --> 47:48.377 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to give people who did make it past the spoiler section a reminder about where they can find you online? 47:49.142 --> 47:51.986 [SPEAKER_01]: It's at ugly on the score knees. 47:52.726 --> 47:54.308 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, this episode's going to come out very quickly. 47:54.428 --> 47:56.551 [SPEAKER_01]: So I know you have a debate coming up at the end of the month. 47:56.751 --> 48:00.175 [SPEAKER_01]: So if anybody from London or Brightonians are listening, what are you talking about them? 48:00.195 --> 48:02.377 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm DJing, I have a club night. 48:02.417 --> 48:03.759 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to make a club night. 48:03.879 --> 48:04.259 [SPEAKER_00]: When is it? 48:04.460 --> 48:06.742 [SPEAKER_00]: It's on Halloween, the 31st of October. 48:06.762 --> 48:07.063 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is it? 48:07.703 --> 48:11.466 [SPEAKER_00]: at water bear music bar and what's the call? 48:12.066 --> 48:30.118 [SPEAKER_00]: It's well there's two nights upstairs the night it'll be milk and downstairs the theme is meat right meat slash milk so get your costumes ready yeah a call your picture I've got two costumes for each they just I feel like there's going to be so many lady guards 48:31.219 --> 48:39.208 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you know I hope that we'll see but yes and a reminder Zena episode video episode will be updated on your feet very very soon. 48:39.228 --> 48:46.917 [SPEAKER_01]: I also have a couple of other episodes that will be coming out bass in the meantime over and out from us good bye good that