Full Transcript for Evil Mother Thinks She Got Away With Murder (She Did... Not) - Full Police Interrogation

get into I think what happened is she 78 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:20.560 fell through it a little bit. 79 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.000 It was starting to go. She was. 80 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:29.319 But it was not a good day up and then 81 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:32.519 it was just another piece that she was playing the 82 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:35.600 Thomas matching game at the table with Bennett. I think 83 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.120 that she started to fall through it, but it stopped. 84 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.879 It didn't, she didn't fall, and she freaked. She through 85 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:46.839 the chair, knocked his work bench, broke the chair, then 86 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.240 through the what's left in the chair onto the lawn. 87 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.920 Bennett started crying through it all because his work bench 88 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:54.519 was down. 89 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:01.439 And was that is that common? Was that common behavior? 90 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:06.519 Since she started going the no, no, not the throwing 91 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:11.920 of things, and you know, not too much in front 92 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:16.639 of Benny, she would do different things. She would be 93 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.120 erratic and a little violent with me at times. Knock 94 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:26.399 my coffee out of my hands. Yeah yeah, you know 95 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:30.560 that globe we have just was ready to just bring 96 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:33.920 that down one day, you know the door upstairs, ripped 97 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:36.360 that off, the hinges, the whole thing. 98 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:39.519 How did she do that? She did that? 99 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:43.639 I shoulder, I have no I wasn't home. I wasn't 100 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:44.319 home at the time. 101 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:50.040 I've never ripped the door. I take it back, but 102 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:55.160 you got to use some force. She was strong, you know. 103 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:59.199 But so what day was that when you said it 104 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:00.480 was not a good day? 105 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:02.040 That whole week was not good? 106 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.600 Okay? That one when she has come back from from 107 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:06.519 Tommy is that prior? Okay? 108 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:09.079 I picked her up that Tuesday morning. She missed a 109 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:12.160 dose of the medication and she stayed probably a. 110 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:16.360 Day too long of the circle. Yeah, eight hundred milligrams, 111 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:22.199 all right, And so that Thursday was when the chair 112 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:25.800 throwing anger. What time was it was that during the 113 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:27.800 day or was it now? I'd say it. 114 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:31.279 Was probably in the early evening, before dinner, probably around 115 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:33.879 four five, four

or five. 116 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.079 Okay, Yeah, And then what happened? 117 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:40.639 Benny cried, he's at the table, I said, Ben, and 118 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:45.519 it's okay. Han just just relaxed, it's okay. She got 119 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:47.800 her coat on and walked out to have a cigarette. 120 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:51.519 I think her black and mild, black and mild, so 121 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:54.920 she just smoked black and miles. Did she have any 122 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.759 patches and she nicotine patches or anything like that. 123 00:06:58.120 --> 00:06:59.959 I think she tried it once or twice. I think 124 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:00.879 Tommy gave her one. 125 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:04.120 Maybe how long was that? I don't remember. 126 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:06.800 Oh no, I think. 127 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:13.279 Right, but she still smoked, still on top of the patches. 128 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:20.639 I think so yeah, I think so then she let's see, 129 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:24.160 I think what we were saying. So you said that 130 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:28.879 was Thursday night, that was Thursday evening. So you know, 131 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:29.759 you just kind of. 132 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:33.839 Calm Betty down and breathe. You know, she's out having 133 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:39.319 her smoke, let her be. Do you escalate? She came 134 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:40.879 back in, didn't. 135 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:42.639 Say a word. Gotta kind of wait. 136 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:48.000 Yeah, So that so that, I mean, you you're used 137 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:49.439 to that, you know how to handle. 138 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.560 Yeah, this has been my life. My mother is this way? 139 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:59.240 Your mother was like this like she was. Yes, but 140 00:07:59.360 --> 00:07:59.920 I was raised. 141 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:02.279 I'm merely being my grandmother and my grandfather. 142 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:04.800 I've dealt with. 143 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:07.519 That's my whole life is so. I majored in psychology. 144 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:10.560 I tried to learn more about it. 145 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:15.839 Was in social work for a while. Yeah. 146 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:19.639 But but now Benny seeing it. Now, Benny's ceing this. 147 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.959 So you're just you're trying to break the cycle. 148 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:33.320 H I mean I told the officers, we know what 149 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:36.919 we've been through. When when when Detective West came out 150 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:38.720 at the second time. I let him look through the 151 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:42.200 house with Randall Young. He said, how are your sister's 152 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.879 hand on this? I said, there, you know that honestly, 153 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:49.200 we're trying to make lemon lemonade out of lemons here, 154 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:54.679 and we know that Bennett is better off. So when 155 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.799 you talk about the cycle, if there's anything that positive 156 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:02.480 that has come out of the US, that's it. 157 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:08.799 Well, I mean, okay, well the reason why And remember 158 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:10.559 I told you we were going to go through the 159 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:14.519 computer and the phones and everything and try to you know, 160 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:16.320 try to form a timeline here. 161 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:21.200 Okay, we have reason to believe that Shelley never left 162 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:27.360 the house. Okay, okay, so we know that something happened. 163 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:30.759 We know that something happened at the house. Okay, what 164 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.440 do you think? What do you well believe? 165 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.080 That's remember I told you we do you know, if 166 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:40.519 you watch CSI and all that stuff. I mean, we 167 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:44.559 we do everything possible, you know, and we try to 168 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:48.879 confirm and and we try to check out what people 169 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:52.000 tell us and stuff like that, and uh, you know, 170 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.000 and and as part of that, we, like I said, 171 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:56.960 we do the history, We do the you know, we 172 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:00.480 pull videotape you know, there's there's houses, it's they have 173 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.720 video and they can tell whether you know, if there's 174 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:05.679 activity and stuff like that with businesses. 175 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:08.120 I mean we've been scouting. I mean you have to 176 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:10.720 understand this has been what two weeks. Oh, I know 177 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.919 what you happened, no doubt, and we've come to the 178 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:19.000 conclusion that something happened at the house. Okay, do you have? 179 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:20.639 And that's why do you have? 180 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:22.960 That's why I want to talk to well, And that's 181 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:24.320 why I want to talk to you. 182 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:24.600 You know. 183 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:29.840 I mean we, like I said, and come to understand 184 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:34.840 and come to understand dant is that we do a history. 185 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:37.080 And I told you a profile is what it is. 186 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:40.000 Well, I know I'm probably suspect number one. 187 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:42.120 Well I know it well. 188 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.440 And and like I said, and when you said, and 189 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:49.679 when you tell me, when you say you we want 190 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:52.440 to do what's best for bending and I understand. And 191 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:55.960 I can see that that little boy adores. 192

00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:58.559 You, you know, I mean you are you are his world. 193 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:03.480 And you know when you see him get hurt, that 194 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:08.279 hurts you. You know, when you see him hurt what 195 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:12.320 hurts mom too. She didn't know realize what she's doing when. 196 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:16.159 She's not rational and and and that's the theme I've 197 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:23.639 gotten too, is that a lot of times i'd. 198 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:24.399 It has not been with her, but I didn't, but 199 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:29.039 I had, I didn't do anything to her. I emphatically 200 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:33.000 deny this has been This is nothing new with Shelley. 201 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:37.559 I understand it. But I also understand too that this 202 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:37.919 was not. 203 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:42.559 What happened to Shelley was not a calculated you know 204 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.799 what we say, a premeditated homicide. 205 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.799 You know what we know And like I said, this 206 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.000 is based on the evidence. What we know is that this, 207 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:56.240 whatever happened to Shelley, this was done in either in 208 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:59.799 an anger fit, a rage, or passion what they call 209 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:05.480 her passion, whether it's love, hate, anger and stuff. So 210 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:07.000 we know what. 211 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:10.399 Happened to her where she was placed, you know, after 212 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:13.399 she had died. It was not It was not done 213 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:18.440 by somebody who was cold, calculating, you know, knew what 214 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.679 they were doing. What what the evidence tells us is 215 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:28.399 that what happened to Shelley was one at the house. 216 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.840 There was something at the house that happened that she 217 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:36.440 didn't leave that night. And number two, Number two that 218 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:38.240 it had to be someone that was close to her 219 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:41.600 that knew her. Okay, this wasn't a stranger that she met, 220 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:44.799 because we pulled the internet history, we pulled the websites, 221 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:45.919 we pulled all that stuff. 222 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:47.759 She was not meeting anybody. 223 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:50.720 What if it was planned prior to What if she 224 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:52.600 planned it early when she was on the phone in 225 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:55.159 the internet, who Rochelle? 226 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:57.399 Well, like I said, we would have, we would have, 227 00:12:58.399 --> 00:12:59.279 we would have gotten that. 228 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.840 What evidence are you able to share with me? You're 229 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:05.399 saying you found evidence? 230 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:09.799 What is that evidence? That's what I've been waiting to hear. 231 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.200 The evidence is is that we know something happened at 232 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:17.600 the house, But you can't tell me concretely. Well, like 233 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:22.519 I said, I can't. No, it's not a hunch. Janet. Listen, 234 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:24.759 I know your your your mother. 235 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:28.120 I have a daughter, I have two daughters, okay, And 236 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.200 and you know I wouldn't I wouldn't bring a mother 237 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:35.559 in here that's just lost a daughter and tell them 238 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:39.159 on a hunch that we think something happened at the house. 239 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:39.759 You know what I mean. 240 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:42.840 I wouldn't do that because I wouldn't want to put 241 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:46.120 you through the you know, through the grief, you know. 242 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.519 But like I said, unfortunately, we try, we try to, 243 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:52.799 We try to clear people. We try to, you know, 244 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.600 and that's what the search weren't to do correct, and 245 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.440 that's what we're that's me. 246 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:01.879 I've given you full and I understand that. 247 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:03.879 Look, I haven't even touched it. 248 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:04.879 I appreciate that. 249 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.559 But but like I said, Janet, the problem is is 250 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:10.000 that we can't. 251 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:14.480 We can't prove what you've told us. As far as 252 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:17.600 we're leaving the house, you can't prove it. But that 253 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.639 doesn't mean I killed her in my house. Well, and 254 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:23.600 like I said, I don't know how I know how 255 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:27.879 that went. Well. The problem is is too. You know, 256 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:33.639 when when I first talked to you, you never asked 257 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.320 me what happened. I got it from the news. But 258 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:40.480 the news doesn't give you everything. Once is that she 259 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:45.440 was found, you know, No, they said, I got everything 260 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:46.600 from the news, the. 261 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.480 All that I knew you were just starting, You're thing, 262 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:52.759 How would you know what happened? 263 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:56.600 I would They didn't report any of that on the news. 264 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:03.759 I understand that, but listen, I don't I'm not talking. 265 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.200 To you like like I know you're I'm waiting to 266 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:07.000 hear what happened. 267 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:08.360 I'm waiting to Europe. 268

00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:10.879 I'm waiting to hear what what number one would you 269 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:12.159 be found so far? 270 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:16.159 Well, the issue is too I know she didn't leave 271 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.720 the house. We know she didn't leave the house because 272 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:24.240 she didn't take her purse. She didn't take her medicine exactly. 273 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:26.360 Why would I keep her freaking purse there? 274 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:29.519 Well, I'm just telling you, I'm just telling you, I 275 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:30.799 don't know. I don't know why. 276 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.840 And that's why I said, this isn't this wasn't a 277 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.000 precalculated you know what I mean? Like you, you didn't 278 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:38.919 read all these books on how to get rid of 279 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:41.360 a body and all this stuff. You know what I'm saying. 280 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:45.399 That's what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that people, listen. 281 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:47.279 I've been doing this job for twenty two years. 282 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:50.480 Do you have something Listen? 283 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.519 Listen, Listen. I've been doing this job for twenty two years, 284 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:58.559 and I see and I've seen. I know you probably 285 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:01.200 know what you're doing. And I've seen Listen. 286 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:05.080 I've seen a lot of good people make mistakes. I've 287 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:07.279 seen a lot of good mothers make mistakes. 288 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:09.639 I've seen a lot of good fathers make mistakes that 289 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.720 are completely admarition to what they are and who they are. 290 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:18.000 Now, I know you you are a caring person. You 291 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:23.200 are the caretaker. Am I correct when it comes to Bennett. 292 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:25.799 I mean yeah, pretty much. 293 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:29.320 You're the caretaker. You're the person that keeps You're the glue. 294 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:32.519 You're the glue of the family. You've been the glue 295 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:37.480 in Shelley's life ever since her father passed. 296 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:41.399 Away, since she was born, and since her father passed away. 297 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:43.960 Right, And I know you've had to deal with her 298 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:50.480 lying and her manipulating, and her impulsiveism, and her. 299 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:56.120 Basically caring about Shelley and not caring about Bennett or 300 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:59.799 caring about Janet or Hannah or Meghant. 301 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.720 And I know you're saying any this is not I'm true. 302 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:08.880 Nothing nothing new, right, And listen, Like I said, I've 303 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.240 seen strong people who have been the glue of a

family. 304 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:16.160 And usually it is the mom. Usually it is mom, Mom, Mom. 305 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:19.599 You know, dad's abusive or dad's a drunk, you know, 306 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:22.640 and and but this kind it's the daughter, you know. 307 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.319 Who basically holds a family hostage, you know. And I've 308 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.799 seen you know, Mom's just you know, finally say you 309 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.759 know what, enough is enough. I'm sure you know enough 310 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:35.559 is enough. We've been through this. 311 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:41.599 For me though, well, and then I understand there was 312 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:43.400 some discussion about getting custody abent. 313 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:52.559 That was part of the reason, and she told you what, No, she. 314 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:54.640 Was dead set against it. As a matter of fact. 315 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:57.119 Was she planning on trying to move in with Tommy? 316 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:02.079 And I think that might have been in the works 317 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:06.400 because he had some money from a dead person that 318 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:14.240 he was he had money coming. But she knew, No, 319 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:17.559 I don't. I don't think for sure she was going 320 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:19.920 to move in, and she knew she couldn't take Benny. 321 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:26.079 She knew that, not with Tommy. But who has custody. 322 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:29.519 Well, it's never been taking taken from her, right, I've 323 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:30.359 never taken so. 324 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:32.400 She wanted to she could up and leave and take. 325 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:37.920 I'm sure legally sure of course, but it then I 326 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:41.440 think she knew though she you know, she wouldn't want 327 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:43.599 that responsibility twenty four to seven. 328 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:48.759 Yeah, and neither did Tommy. Tommy didn't want to be bothered. God, no, 329 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:53.279 I mean what he spends maybe a couple hours if that, 330 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:58.079 If that, you know, how many years did he go 331 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:01.799 without even seeing Yeah? A little bit of full four Okay. 332 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:07.920 More so, when when you tell me, like I said, 333 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:13.200 you know, I know, I know you've been cooperative. 334 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:17.319 I know you've you know you've you've been You've been 335 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:18.359 up front. 336 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.559 Let's just cut to the chase here. Dear God, do 337 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:25.880 I need an I think I need an attorney now. 338 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:29.799 If i'm if you're saying I killed Rochelle, I never 339 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:32.519 said you killed Rochelle. Okay, you're saying it. 340 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:34.960 But I'm trying to figure out. I'm trying to figure 341 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:36.079 out what happened. 342 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:38.440 The only one because me and Benny I can guarantee 343 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:40.440 you even't do anything right right. 344 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:44.880 But what I'm telling you and Janet is what I 345 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:48.559 what I want to know is I know that something 346 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:49.480 happened in the house. 347 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:51.079 I know that there was something there. 348 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:54.200 Okay, And then, like I said, if it's just you 349 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:57.720 and and her, I'm trying to figure out what you know. 350 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:00.920 I'm trying to figure out. I know, I know she 351 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:01.960 wasn't meeting anybody. 352 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:07.839 We've gone through We've gone through handbox and Facebook and texts. 353 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:09.720 You know anything? Well you know, then it sounds like 354 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:14.359 you know what you haven't found? What have you found? 355 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:19.160 And like I said, I can't disclose that. But the 356 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:21.319 thing is, let me ask you this, Let me ask 357 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:24.920 you this. When when you packed up her purse and 358 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.599 her makeup kid and her coat. 359 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:31.200 What was the purpose of doing at she? 360 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:35.359 I thought I heard her say, you know, I'm half asleep, 361 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:40.519 I'm going to Tommy's pack one when I thought I 362 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:43.240 heard her say that, But I don't know. So then 363 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:46.480 I saw all this that night, good night, She right. 364 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:47.359 So. 365 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:49.920 But because when I came down I locked the door, 366 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:52.920 I saw the next morning in the kitchen all her 367 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:57.079 stuff on a island where she keeps it. 368 00:20:57.680 --> 00:20:59.920 Jesus Christ, you know, so I packed it in the 369 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:04.880 not bad. I think that they'd be back the next day, 370 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:07.119 or she'd call me to take it over to them. 371 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:13.599 But see, she keeps make up there, she keeps clothes there, 372 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:19.000 she keeps meds there. So I did. We We searched, 373 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:22.519 We searched it on this place. I mean there was nothing. 374 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:25.319 I mean there was a couple of pieces of clothing, 375 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:28.559 but none of her toilet trees were there, none of 376 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:29.359 her makeup stuff. 377 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:37.519 Well listen, yeah, I just we wanted we want we 378 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:40.640 want closure, We want closure. 379

00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:41.640 She says, Christ. 380 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:46.000 So do I I do too. You want to know 381 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:46.799 what happened. 382 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:50.480 I have no idea what happened to Rachelle. 383 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:55.039 Let me ask you this, was there a physical altercation 384 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:59.200 between the two me just the years of verbal yea, 385 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:04.519 because no. But according let me ask I'll tell you 386 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:08.519 this according to the corner. Okay, all right, she was 387 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:09.880 involved in a physical. 388 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:11.680 Altercation, right the blunt forest. 389 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:17.079 Okay, so the back to kill her? Yeah, okay, right, 390 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:17.559 that's what. 391 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:20.079 I said, her blond force trauma to the head. 392 00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:20.759 Yeah. 393 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:24.799 And the issue we have is that you're telling me 394 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:26.599 that there was this big roll up and that she 395 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:28.039 had accused you. 396 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:33.559 Is this right? That she had accused you of watching ism? 397 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:38.720 That was I think your husband had sexually abused her. No, 398 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:41.119 that was her, Tommy. 399 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:44.720 Tommy told me this, Okay, that she had told her 400 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:45.119 friend this. 401 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:48.200 And I said, Jesus Christ, this one again. 402 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:50.920 I've heard this before, Tommy, It's not true. 403 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:53.759 He knows she storytells. Well. 404 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:57.240 I know, remember I told you, we try to build 405 00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:01.480 a profile, and we know that she's known that to storytell. 406 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:07.160 We know she's, you know, prone to being impulsive. We 407 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:11.160 know she's prone to being angry. You know obviously she's 408 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:12.079 attacked you before. 409 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:17.559 Yeah, you know. Yeah, But like I said, we know 410 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:20.000 that there was something that happened that night. You know 411 00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:21.519 that something happened at the house. 412 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:25.720 Okay, more than more than what you want to try 413 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:28.640 to more than what you want to tell me, more 414 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:29.279 than more. 415 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:32.920 Than just your argument. I'm just telling you, but I 416 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:34.200 know evidence. 417 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:36.799 I just know for a fact, and I know you know. 418 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:40.599 What I want to know is why and what happened. 419 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:45.039 I can almost guess why. I know why because she's. 420 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:49.960 You're saying I did something. This is what you're leading to. 421 00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:55.079 So right now I'm ready to do you have to. 422 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:59.119 I cannot talk anymore because you're trying. We could save 423 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:02.480 a lot of time here. You're saying that you what 424 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:04.119 you're leading to say, I did this? 425 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:06.640 If you if you didn't do anything, why would you 426 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:07.880 ask for you know. 427 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:10.759 Because I'm telling you I don't know anything. We're not 428 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:12.079 gonna I want to see what that. 429 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:14.440 We're not going to put an innocent person in jail. 430 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:16.519 You'll know that, I. 431 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:18.880 Hope not, you know, because I know I'm a big 432 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:19.759 person of interest. 433 00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:23.720 Would you see it? And why would that be told? 434 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:27.279 Who told you that? Detective West? He told you you 435 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:29.880 were a person of interest and you were the number 436 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:31.680 one suspect. No, he didn't say suspect. 437 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:37.039 I said to Detective West and Captain Captain the captain, Okay, 438 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:39.960 when I went in for questioning, I said, do I 439 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.519 need an attorney because you He said, you don't want to, right. 440 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:46.920 I didn't sit through that interview. I was busy and. 441 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:48.799 They looked right and said, you're a person of interest. 442 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:50.920 So I've been telling people I'm a person of interest. 443 00:24:51.000 --> 00:25:01.319 Jesus Christ, I've known him a person of interest this 444 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:05.319 whole time. I'm the last I mean, And I said, why, 445 00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:09.480 you're the last known person, known person. 446 00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:09.880 To have seen her. 447 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.480 And you've seen all the TV shows and everything, right, 448 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:17.519 I mean when they show TV shows and that somebody 449 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:19.759 gets killed, and they they I mean, if a wife 450 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:21.640 gets killed, they automatically look at the hospital. 451 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:23.480 Of course, they look at the family first. 452 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:28.559 So I mean, I mean that's it's a natural assumption, right, 453 00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:31.079 And just like you said, you want to see the evidence, and. 454 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.359 So we I want to see what. Right. 455 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:39.799 But you realize too, is that that all the information 456 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:41.599 they're collecting evidence now? 457 00:25:41.799 -->

00:25:42.960 Of course, and. 458 00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:47.799 You'll become aware of that evidence as we do too. Okay, 459 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:52.559 So it's a matter of like Lieutenant p Tech is saying, 460 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:59.279 is that it's going to be found and always when 461 00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:02.200 just like you said that you didn't clean up anything, 462 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:05.279 you know it's going to show that too as well. 463 00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.400 You can never get rid of anything completely, especially when 464 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:11.000 they use the chemicals that they do to find evidence. 465 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:14.119 So you watch the shows or heard the shows and 466 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:17.920 things like that, so you realize that these are things 467 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:22.079 we're going to come to you with. But it's probably 468 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:26.359 a good idea to talk this out and maybe give 469 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:29.039 us more information to help us learn more about Shelley 470 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:29.920 and help us. 471 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:34.000 Learn and beyond what any normal person would. 472 00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:41.119 And we appreciate that. Believe me, we appreciate you're right, 473 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:43.440 and you are You're very matter of fact, and I 474 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.839 enjoy that about you right now and I appreciate it. 475 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:50.680 But now you're saying, you know something happened. 476 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:50.839 In the house. 477 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.200 I think we're trying to figure out there. 478 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:55.960 So I just try to figure out what you know. 479 00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:58.519 Well, sure, we have a why we know, I mean, 480 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:04.119 we know all the I mean, listen, I don't understand 481 00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:04.359 how you. 482 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.559 I mean, she's an adult. You could very well say bye, 483 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:10.799 see you. 484 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:14.920 You could have very well said that, you know, eight 485 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.279 years ago when she turned eighteen, which I. 486 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:20.039 Did actually yeah, then she was with that Mike Santa 487 00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:21.640 on birtwn mm hmm. 488 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:23.359 But you didn't. 489 00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:27.079 I mean you maybe back then, but she came back right, 490 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:31.039 you know, at twenty six years old. She's no longer 491 00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:35.480 your responsibility. Yeah, I don't know how you did it. 492 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:40.400 I don't, honestly. I mean a lot of people say, well, 493 00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:44.359 she's you know, Shelley was a passionate person, but. 494 00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:51.279 She had issues, you know, and for you to continue. 495 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:54.400 To take care

of her and to be there and 496 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:58.319 to be that glub, you know, I commit you. Like 497 00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:01.839 I said, I don't understand and I couldn't do it. 498 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:05.160 There's no way I can do it. I see too 499 00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:06.559 much of you know, I see too. 500 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:10.119 Much stuff, you know, and my own kids, you know. 501 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:13.880 You know, I got a teenage daughter and uh yeah, 502 00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:17.400 I'm learning out, you know, in the hard way. 503 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.920 But fortunately, you know, I don't have the issues that 504 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.279 we had to deal with, you know, with with the 505 00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:31.680 mental health issues. Yes, and just having a normal teenage 506 00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:34.640 daughter is is a lot of hard work, you know. 507 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:38.440 But I can't imagine if that activity carried over from 508 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.279 through the teenage years to adult years and you know, 509 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:45.440 to still be I'll say, there you know, I mean, 510 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.960 do you feel do you feel like an obligation to continue? 511 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:54.079 I loved her, I love her, M always have that girl. 512 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:56.319 That's that's. 513 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.880 Obviously obviously, So you do what you do. But do 514 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.920 you think people hurt each other when they love each other? 515 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:06.240 Sure? 516 00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:10.160 You know, I mean they tell us most most homicides 517 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:13.519 are committed, like probably ninety percent are committed by people 518 00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:17.119 that know each other or in a relationship, right, you know, 519 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:23.359 And so obviously when you know, we look at we 520 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.400 look at a homicide movement, you know, a death of somebody. 521 00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:31.200 You know, we try also we check every aspect. 522 00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:34.559 We look at, you know, the truck drivers that we're 523 00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:36.920 in north Ridgeville at the time of the you know, 524 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.359 we look at dating websites, We look at everything, you know, 525 00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:42.240 to see if there are strangers, there's. 526 00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.960 Something in that. There's that plenty of. 527 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.240 Fish, there's plenty of fish. Did you find stuff? No, 528 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:53.119 not since not since last year, you know, not since 529 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:56.200 last year. But the thing is, like I said, there 530 00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:59.119 was no for the last couple of weeks. There was 531 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.440 no arrangements made for. 532 00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.599 Shelley to get picked up on Friday. 533 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:05.640 Did you check. 534 00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:10.359 That Eric Bowland out and what happened, and that's clean. 535 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:13.279 Well we're still we're still trying to figure out, you know, 536 00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:14.519 where he was that night. 537 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.000 No, I think it's his family that lived behind my house. 538 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.839 Well, we know, we know he's moved back into Lakewood. 539 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:22.799 I mean we listen, Yeah, we know. Okay, you're checking 540 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.519 this out. You're checking everything. I told you, Yeah, we wouldn't. 541 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:29.680 And you know, immediately I didn't come into your house 542 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.680 and say, well, Janet, you know. 543 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.880 I'd suspicious that you have all her stuff packed up 544 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:35.799 in a garbage bag. 545 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.079 I wouldn't get you. 546 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.000 Well, I'm just saying, you know, well, listen, I've been 547 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.240 also done this job long enough to know too that 548 00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:47.599 people people tend to cooperate too when they're suspect, you 549 00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:48.039 know what I. 550 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.160 Mean, they want to find out who did it. 551 00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:53.920 But the thing is, well, like I said that, you know, 552 00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:59.880 we check every aspect, every angle. I'm telling you, I've 553 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:04.880 probably have video from from here to Lakewood to Cleveland 554 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:07.960 to north Ridgeville. 555 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:10.599 Of highways and turnpikes and all this stuff. 556 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.880 And like I said, we scoured, you know, And like 557 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.640 I said, when we first got when we first got 558 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:20.960 to your house, you know, you know, our job was 559 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.160 just to you know, try to build a timeline. 560 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:24.680 You know, like I said, Remember. 561 00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:28.400 We have where Shelley was found and the evidence there, 562 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:31.160 and we have where Shelley was last seen in evidence there, 563 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.519 and then between there's a gap. There's a gap, and 564 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:38.799 somebody knows more than what they're telling us in between there. 565 00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.200 And what we do is we build from this way, 566 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:43.039 and then we build from this way and we try 567 00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:45.480 to put the pieces together. And like I said, when 568 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.599 we build from the opposite, we go backwards and we 569 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:49.119 say who. 570 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:53.240 Was the

last to see Shelley. Okay, there was some issues. 571 00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:58.240 There were some issues, and you I understand that, but 572 00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:03.240 that's you know, what I'm telling you to is that 573 00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:05.240 I said, these guys they check. 574 00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:09.160 Everything, you know, the lab. That's what I have said. 575 00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.279 You know, they're gonna check everything and they'll tell us. 576 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:17.039 They can tell us where a body lay for you know, hours. 577 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:17.720 If not a day. 578 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:19.960 And that was the other thing too that we looked at, 579 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.680 you know the fact that someone did this, they panicked. 580 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.400 They either did something and they panicked and they. 581 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.359 Didn't know what to do. They didn't know what to. 582 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:32.000 Do, and that's usually why we say it's a crime 583 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.160 of passion, and strangers don't do crime of passions. Strangers 584 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:43.039 do cold calculating, planned out homicides. If they were going 585 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.279 to plan, like say someone was trying to get after 586 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.000 you and they would watch you, they would you know, 587 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.680 they would know your routine. They would know, you know, 588 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.599 was it common for you to take this or that 589 00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:57.359 with you and stuff like that. 590 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.839 If they met you online, they would have a plan already. 591 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:01.440 If they were. 592 00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.079 Planning on murdering you or dumping you or something, they 593 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:06.440 would have a plan online. You dig a shallow grave, 594 00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.519 have it prepared, you know what I mean, Just just 595 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:10.359 stuff like that. 596 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:14.359 But when when someone is placed in a location where 597 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:19.599 she can be easily be found or seen from the highway. 598 00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:21.559 To us, it's almost like they do it too, you know, 599 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.920 so that she's found quickly and that she's not there's 600 00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:31.279 some dignity, you know what, and death, you know, And 601 00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:32.319 that's what we have here. 602 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:33.720 This is what we have here. 603 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.599 It's the fact that whoever who did this to her 604 00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:40.000 was someone who cared about. 605 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:43.079 Her, because they didn't just throw her in a shallow grave. 606 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:47.440 For dogs and coyotes to dig up, you know, they 607 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:52.759 basically staged or placed her in a location where she 608 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:58.519 could be found, and that's you know, and that's another issue. 609 00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:01.240 We look at what's found found on her clothing, the 610 00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:01.960 fibers and. 611 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.799 Anything that was left at the scene, and we you know, 612 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:09.519 we placed that, you know, where a scene was, you know, 613 00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:15.119 where she was less late or kept or whatever that is. 614 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:22.000 And we believe that came from my house right so 615 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:27.119 to where she was late. No, she left the house. 616 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:29.760 We know, we know for a fact, we know for 617 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.159 a fact from what was found at the scene. 618 00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.599 Can you tell me what was found at the scene, Janet, 619 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.760 I think you I think you need to come clean. 620 00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:44.000 I need you to need to come straight. No, there 621 00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.760 is nothing Detective p Tech. 622 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:51.840 I think you're great you I don't waste your time here. 623 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:55.000 I think you're great too. I'll sit here, Janet. 624 00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:58.320 But I think I think we need I need we 625 00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:02.559 need to close this. We need to stop because I 626 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:05.400 know you have a conscience. I know you're a good person. 627 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.760 I know you are. I know you are. All of 628 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:11.000 your actions I'm not asking. 629 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:13.119 You to admit to something you didn't do, but all 630 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:15.480 your actions, all your history. 631 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:18.760 Of who you are, show that you're you're a good person. 632 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.199 That you are I feel I'm fairly okay. 633 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:28.679 But what I'm telling you, But but Janet, listen, your 634 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.880 two other girls are college students. 635 00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:34.880 I mean, they're great girls, you know. 636 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:38.800 And Shelley, you know, she has some great attributes about her. 637 00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:43.760 But so I'm telling you it's not you didn't do 638 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.960 anything wrong raising her, you know what I mean. I'm 639 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.559 not saying you're a bad parent, you know. Heck, like 640 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.800 I said, I commend you. I commend you for even 641 00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:55.719 even holding. 642 00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.800 On this this long and helping her this long and 643 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.079 keep taking care of her this long. But when someone 644 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:06.840 accuses you of doing something you didn't do, and

especially 645 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:07.960 when they accuse you of. 646 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:12.719 Because I understand by and I understand you, you think 647 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:18.679 I did it. So I'm just listening. I understand you 648 00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.440 think I did this. So I need to just hear 649 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:27.480 you and take whatever comes. But I'm not I can 650 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:28.639 tell you we could be here for. 651 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:34.639 I'm not gonna listen. I'm not not gonna make up evidence. 652 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.039 I'm not gonna accuse you of doing. 653 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:42.719 Something you didn't do. As law enforcement officers, we can lie, 654 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.119 we can lie to you. That's the courts have ruled dead. 655 00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:48.360 They say, you know what if it. 656 00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:51.119 Means to getting a confession or whatever that cops can line. 657 00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.800 We can say, Janet, we have your vehicle on videotape 658 00:36:55.719 --> 00:37:01.280 in north Ridgeville on Saturday morning. Okay, you know we could. 659 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.079 I could lie to you and say that, right, you know, 660 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.280 but I'm not. I'm not gonna lie. I don't I 661 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.800 don't want to lie because if you, you know, use 662 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:14.480 another vehicle, then what do I look like like? 663 00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:16.719 I don't know what I'm talking about, right, Okay, So 664 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:19.440 I only go with what I know. I don't make stand, 665 00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:21.840 but I don't say, well, you know your your fingerprints 666 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.320 were found on articles that were founded the scene. You know, 667 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.880 I'm not going to say that, Okay, okay, because what 668 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:30.679 if you work loose? 669 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:34.960 You know, So everything that I've told you is fact. 670 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:37.559 I haven't made anything up. 671 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.079 So when I tell you, when you tell me any evidence, 672 00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:43.400 so well, I'm just telling you. When I tell you 673 00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:48.360 that there's something at the scene that places her in 674 00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:51.400 your house, I'm telling you the truth. 675 00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:54.960 Okay, okay, and you can't tell me what that is. Though, 676 00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:57.800 you can't tell me what that is. 677 00:37:58.119 --> 00:37:59.840 No, I'm not going to tell you exactly what it 678 00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:02.320 is because that's part of the case. 679 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:03.840 That's part of the case. But you know. 680 00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:12.079 If she left, see, I don't know something. 681 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:16.920 So you're telling me you have something for sure at 682

00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:20.840 the scene, Jane, I wouldn't have be in here, you know. 683 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.199 I wouldn't haven be in here, and I wouldn't be 684 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:23.679 lying to you. 685 00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.360 Okay, Yeah, you're talking about you're. 686 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:32.039 Talking about if you say you have evidence that you 687 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.639 talk about your mother in law being you know, religious 688 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.159 and stuff like that, she probably wouldn't lie either, right 689 00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:42.719 my mother in law. I don't think so. 690 00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:45.280 Yeah, So I mean we don't And like I said, 691 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:49.599 I'm sure, Detective Glachlin here you know. 692 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.159 So you said you have evidence. 693 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:56.039 I'm telling you that we have evidence shows that I 694 00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.880 murdered her. I never said that. I never said that. 695 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:03.360 What I'm telling you is if it walks like a duck, 696 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.159 and it quacts like a duck, and it flies like 697 00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:09.920 a duck. So when I tell you when when I 698 00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.719 tell you we have we know for sure something happened 699 00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.119 at the house, That's. 700 00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:15.599 What I'm telling you. 701 00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:20.320 I mean, there's a couple of quot there's other stuff 702 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:25.119 that we'd like to maybe share with you please, but 703 00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:30.400 you can't. The thing is is that what we're trying 704 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.239 to say is that a lot of times things happen 705 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:39.840 for reasons you can't really explain, and you almost have 706 00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:43.000 like an outer body experience where you do something that 707 00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.920 you later regret, okay, and that you could say, well, 708 00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:49.599 that really wasn't me. I'm not normally like that. 709 00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:50.199 Okay. 710 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:55.519 Everybody makes mistakes. We don't make mistakes, Okay, you know. 711 00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.400 It's what you do to make things right is how 712 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:05.199 you'll be just Okay, if it's a continual will prove this, 713 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.960 take a step, prove that, take a step. Eventually the 714 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:14.599 information is going to come out, the evidence, and before 715 00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.199 the evidence even comes out. But what I'm saying it 716 00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:20.840 is that before the evidence comes out, it might be 717 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.599 a good idea to get ahead of something. And again, 718 00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:28.199 I'm just saying that if you know something, I have 719 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:32.440 said everything I know, wouldn't you want to share that 720 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:35.159 with us so that we can help solve this crime? 721 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:38.360 Okay? I have said everything, I know. 722 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:45.000 Everything, And like I said, we appreciate your candor, okay, 723 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:48.360 and you've been very open and honest with us, and 724 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:51.000 and I really appreciate that. 725 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:52.440 You know. 726 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.960 It's it's again, it's what we want you to do 727 00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.400 is to get out in front of this. If it 728 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.280 was a spur of the moment thing, it was an accident, 729 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:08.199 then it's easily explained. Shelley was a very violid girl. 730 00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:11.800 She was very violatile with you. We all know that 731 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.880 she did things to you that daughters shouldn't do to 732 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:24.679 their mothers. True things happen, and I know you've been 733 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.159 angry at her many times in the past. A fight 734 00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:31.480 breaks out, she grants hold of you, comes after you, 735 00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:36.079 Maybe some slaps are exchanged, maybe she comes at you 736 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.480 a little bit more violently, some words are exchanged, you know, 737 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:47.360 whatever the case may be. But in this case, let's 738 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.440 just say, for instance, let's just say that, for instance, 739 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:54.880 a fight breaks out at the house and certain things 740 00:41:55.199 --> 00:42:02.199 might be used to help fend her off. Evidence of 741 00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.760 that is going to be cast off into the house. 742 00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:07.280 That's going to be stuff that's going to be found. 743 00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:11.199 And again, it's always better, I guess put maybe to 744 00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:15.000 put a in a theory or maybe a story that 745 00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:18.599 you could understand is that don't you think that it's 746 00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:22.639 better to be honest about something versus Well, tell me 747 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.679 what you got and then I'll be honest about it. 748 00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:31.239 You see, what I'm saying, because well that that let's 749 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.639 just say that. Okay, well let's just say, but what 750 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:37.039 what if eventually they do find something at the house 751 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:42.079 and then here you are going, oh, if that's the case. 752 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.239 I'm just saying, if that's the case, don't you think 753 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.199 it would be better to be honest about something up 754 00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.679 front and say, look, I made a mistake, like we 755

00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:54.519 all do versus versus. Look, show me what you got 756 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:56.679 and then I'll be honest about it or show me 757 00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:57.000 what you. 758 00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:58.199 That's not what I'm trying to do. 759 00:42:58.360 --> 00:42:59.920 Okay, No, I'm not trying. 760 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:03.519 I'm saying I'm being honest. Well, I mean you first, 761 00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:10.159 I know, but Chili, you look like you know. But Janet, 762 00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:14.199 you have to understand that a lot of times the 763 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:21.000 cover up is worse than what happens. You know, the 764 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:23.239 cover up is a lot of times worse what happens. 765 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:25.280 Do you ever have a rocket in your shoe? Sure, 766 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:29.000 and the more you walk, the bigger it feels. 767 00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:32.159 By after a couple you know, if you don't have 768 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:34.599 a chance to get it out after several minutes or 769 00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.599 several hours, it almost feels like a boulder in your 770 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.519 in your shoe and then when you take your shoe off, 771 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.119 it's a slow pebble, you know. And a lot of 772 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.719 times what I see, you know, like I said, I've 773 00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:48.840 been doing it for twenty two years, is people will think. 774 00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:51.880 That they have to hold on to this. They have 775 00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:56.280 to you know, protect you know, shield shield shield. The 776 00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.400 whole time I got a shield. They gotta protect myself. 777 00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:00.480 I don't know what's going to happen, you know, I 778 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:02.119 know what's gonna happen with Benn and I don't, you 779 00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:05.039 know what I mean, And they and they hang on 780 00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.840 to this, and when the truth comes out, it makes 781 00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:10.079 it look a whole lot worse. 782 00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:10.719 It makes it. 783 00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:13.880 Look like they were calculating that they were that they 784 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:17.119 were heartless, that they you know, we're just looking out 785 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:19.360 for their best interest, you know what I mean? 786 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:21.039 Do you understand when I understand? 787 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:22.800 And I know you're trying to juice me right now, 788 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:27.559 but we could save a lot. I got nothing else, 789 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.599 and I respect you and you, but I'm not going 790 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:34.280 to talk anymore because you're you're accusing me of of 791 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:35.480 of killing Shelly. 792 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.159 So I'm done. I'm done. 793 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.840 That this can't go anymore than it has because I've 794 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:48.920 got nothing else to tell you, and honestly, I know 795 00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.079 you'll find out who did this. I believe you will. 796 00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:57.599 I know the FBI is involved. You guys are great. 797 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.280 I have no doubt you will find out who did this. 798 00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:07.199 But I'm I can't talk if that means my dear 799 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:09.320 little Benny can't come home with me. 800 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:12.400 I'm not going to say said that. 801 00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:16.840 Nobody said I said, no, no, no, I'm not. 802 00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:21.199 I've been so cooperative with you guys, and I appreciate that, 803 00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:22.119 you know. 804 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:26.239 From the yeah, but I have to not say anything 805 00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:28.719 else because you're going to keep juicing and juice and 806 00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:30.440 juice in juice. 807 00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:31.599 I'm sorry. 808 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:38.320 I would say, trying to juice me for more, squeezing me. 809 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:40.039 I can't. 810 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:42.519 There is no more that I know. 811 00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:45.800 I had nothing else. 812 00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:48.880 Can I ask you questions about? Can we ask you 813 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:53.280 questions about maybe like her? 814 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:57.239 Of course, anything that helps any investigation. 815 00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.400 Is she ever acted out with anyone else? Did you know? 816 00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:07.639 Oh God, oh Jesus Christ. 817 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:11.599 Yeah, yeah, they've they've been over the years, they've been subject. 818 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:20.800 Yeah, they've been subject like wow, well the guitar incidents. 819 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.519 I know they were hiding one time in my room 820 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:25.039 from her. 821 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:27.960 Just a lot of yelling and they've seen her acting 822 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:37.440 out threatening behavior. It's more threatening. Yeah, Anna, she had 823 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:42.400 to buy her hair. How long it was? Probably? Jeez? 824 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:51.159 Oh that was on Nicholson eight years eight ten years ago. 825 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:52.880 Yeah. 826 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.360 Do you guys by chance have it like a SERTs 827 00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:59.719 or a breath mint or a coffee? I just it's 828 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:04.360 called and I just yeah, thank you. 829 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:13.039 So you talk about drug usage and what kind of 830 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:16.119 I know you mentioned marijuana before that I know for sure. 831 00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:23.039 What else? Okay? Yeah? And how do you know this? 832 00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:28.480 She would tell me that spice or K two or 833

00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:29.199 whatever you said. 834 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:33.599 Well, she said that these last three days, that the 835 00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:36.639 bad three days in our home, that he was no 836 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:42.119 dipping into the that with another guy that lives in 837 00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:43.079 the building or something. 838 00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:49.079 Okay, So what about it the house? Like any did 839 00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:54.559 she ever use like needles? Did she use I would say, no, King. 840 00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:58.360 Yes, she didn't use me what Tommy the first time okay? 841 00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:01.920 But ever since in studio okay, but after that she 842 00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:03.239 never mentioned anything. 843 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:05.760 About I think she did it one time leaving the 844 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:09.119 Magnoia house. She used to go over there Magnoia clubhouse. 845 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.400 She said she met someone at Tower City and did 846 00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:19.280 some I think that was it and she oh, three 847 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:20.480 years ago, two years ago? 848 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:25.039 What about you were here for like fetanyl or heroin? 849 00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:29.480 I would say, no, okay, not to my knowledge. 850 00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:31.599 Right now. 851 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.239 What was she wearing when last time she left the house. 852 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.280 See I see her last time? What was she wearing? 853 00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:43.119 Well, she always sleeps in sweats or her PJ bottoms, 854 00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:47.239 and she sleeps in a hoodie. So that makes me think. 855 00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:51.360 You know, I didn't see her leave, but it makes 856 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:54.360 me think that's what she was wearing when she left. 857 00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:57.400 If this was quick, you know. And then I determined 858 00:48:57.480 --> 00:48:59.199 the shoes. I didn't know what shoes, but I saw 859 00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:03.679 the shoes that born. There were the white high top 860 00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:10.119 sketcher style shoes with pink plaid. But they're old. But 861 00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:13.159 they were not in the home. Okay, so I think 862 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.599 that's what I think. See, I don't know. I didn't 863 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:19.440 see her leave, but I would have heard her getting dresses. 864 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:22.320 This is I think she was just out of bed 865 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:23.199 and gone. 866 00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.679 It was quick. But you said you went down afterwards 867 00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:29.639 and shut the door or locked the door. 868 00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.599 Right, It occurred to me it was probably open for 869 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:35.280 a little while. I didn't see her at all, I 870 00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:42.719 thought I heard. Oh, I think she pulled it. She

871 00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.719 had pulled shot, so I think it was just unlocked. 872 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:56.360 Okay, Yeah, had she ever been violent with Benny? Point 873 00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:59.880 where you said, she's gone too far, that's too much. 874 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:07.400 Just yeah, yeah, and see when I would work. I 875 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.840 don't know really what happened what you had? 876 00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:13.880 One time she was doing the airplane in her room. 877 00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:17.519 This is what happened. One time she did an airplane 878 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:20.639 with him on her feet. Yeah, and the window, the 879 00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:24.079 whole window brought there in the bedroom. 880 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:26.679 Oh, like she he fell off her. 881 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:31.159 Right, Yeah, so that kind of sad. And then the 882 00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:34.960 cat got in the glass and had when Charles Benny, 883 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.519 I think i'd have cut I think I could be wrong. 884 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:42.199 This is when I was doing caregiving. This would have 885 00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:48.000 been that's been September octoberish of this past year, yeah, 886 00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:52.760 of fourteenth. Yeah, so so she you know, it's just 887 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:58.639 that stuff that the not thinking irrational, irrational, it's just 888 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:03.480 unsafe and meeting people at the playgrounds and stuff. When 889 00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:06.320 he's running around and you just connect with whoever in 890 00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:07.239 your best buddies. 891 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.000 I mean, like I said, we gone through the computer. 892 00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:14.559 We know she friends strangers and because they look cool, 893 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:15.400 you know what I mean? 894 00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:17.440 They connect somehow. 895 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:22.400 Very very dangerous, very dangerous what I mean. And then 896 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.079 you said, did you tell Detective Wes that you did 897 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:28.280 take a life insurance policy on him? Yes, okay, yes 898 00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:29.159 we both did. 899 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:35.360 She she was, you know, she and I took it 900 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:37.199 out almost two years ago. 901 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:39.119 And what was the purpose of that. 902 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.320 Well, I, you know, because I didn't have life insurance 903 00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:42.639 on there. 904 00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:43.400 I knew I was. 905 00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:46.000 You know, I'm the one that got the thought in 906 00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:49.480 my head that Jesus Christ, I'm the primary caregiver here there. 907 00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:53.199 What if something happens to her, which it could very 908 00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:58.360 well do, because she's accident prone and and just careless 909 00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:04.800 and meeting whoever, and and you know, I'm thinking, we 910 00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:05.760 got to get something. 911 00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:08.679 So I convinced her we got to do this together 912 00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:09.400 and got it or. 913 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:11.360 It was one of those things that just come in 914 00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:15.400 the mail a globe life. So I'm like, Shelly, this 915 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:22.599 is a good idea to have. Let's do this for Benny. 916 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:25.480 You know. So she never she never used drugs at 917 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:28.199 the house, she said, never smoke, no pot or anything 918 00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:30.519 at the house. No, not in a room or anything 919 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:30.920 like that. 920 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:36.280 No, no way about strange men at the house. 921 00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:41.119 I would say no, No, would Benny know this. One 922 00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.280 time when I took Hanna to a volleyball thing, she 923 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.639 had a guy in Hannah did no. When I took 924 00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:51.039 Hanny down to Kentucky for a volleyball tournament. 925 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.039 She had a guy in the house when I wasn't there. 926 00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:01.679 Was that a rule that she wasn't on the Yeah, no, 927 00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:02.400 she I. 928 00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:04.000 Would say, no, she was. 929 00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:06.840 She pretty good about that with Benny, like not seeing 930 00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:09.480 a parade of guys coming into her life or parade 931 00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:11.239 guys or no, it didn't. 932 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:14.360 Really see had I care about came up because I 933 00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:17.159 would always pick them up. So one time at Lakewood Park, 934 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:20.400 there she is, he's playing, you know, and there she 935 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:24.880 is with some kind She just freaking meant her capris. 936 00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:28.079 You know, you could see her the crack and everything, 937 00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:30.840 and her shirt was up. I don't think that she 938 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:31.519 was just kind. 939 00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:33.280 Of hanging on, you know. 940 00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:37.239 Honestly, this was probably a year ago. Last summer. 941 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:42.159 Were about hanging phone calls at the house, Hang up, 942 00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:45.079 phone calls at the house, hang up? Did you do 943 00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:46.119 you have a landline? 944 00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:49.480 How disconnected? Because we never used it? Probably about four 945 00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:49.960 years ago. 946 00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.480 So you get shared a phone, right, we shared a 947 00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:56.480 phone for the last three months hang up calls to you? 948 00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:59.079 Oh

yeah, oh god, I got all the credit cards. 949 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.159 Those are my credit card calls. If you're looking at calls. 950 00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:06.960 No, no, no, no no. I'm saying like someone some strange 951 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.400 guys call in the house and you answer the phone click. 952 00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:11.920 Oh. 953 00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:15.480 Or so were coming in. There's been some weird ones 954 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.760 coming in lately. Well where he's like has beat there? 955 00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:21.800 It could have just been a wrong number. It could 956 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:22.760 have just been wrong number. 957 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:25.599 Well, did Shellie ever hide the fact that she. 958 00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:30.320 Was meeting other guys or anything like that from you? 959 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:33.280 See, I don't really know what well I mean, did 960 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:36.480 she I mean if if she asked you for a 961 00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:39.559 right because serious. The other thing too is obviously Shelley 962 00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.639 was dependent on you. 963 00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:45.119 Oh yeah, sure? 964 00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.960 Or she get picked up, picked up? Sure? 965 00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:51.559 Now have you ever taken her to a guy that 966 00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.440 she's met or a place it's like other than Tommy? 967 00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:59.039 Oh yeah, oh god yeah, over the years? Sure? What about? Sure? 968 00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:06.440 Brandon would be the most recent, probably, And then there's 969 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:12.199 stuff where she just walks places where he was her 970 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:16.159 last boyfriend, long term, longer term avon. 971 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:23.159 Brandon Smith that lives Chester. I don't know in those. 972 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I would take her there all 973 00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:32.320 the time, So I would take her out there. 974 00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:34.119 When was last time you took her out there? 975 00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:40.559 Probably going on a year? Okay, well, what were we 976 00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:43.280 marsh by nine months? I think they last saw each other. 977 00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:43.800 In the summer. 978 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.039 But I'm asking like recently, like within the last couple 979 00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:48.280 of months. 980 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:50.960 Last there was Tommy. It was just Tommy. 981 00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:51.639 So she. 982 00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.559 See she comes home Jesus. 983 00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:59.119 She'd talked to other people when she'd come home from him. 984 00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:02.880 But never took anybody. 985 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:07.920 I think no, No, didn't tell me think that they 986 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:08.800 were exclusive. 987 00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:11.920 I don't know what he thought. 988 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.400 But was he a jealous guy? 989 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:19.760 He told me once that she would tell him that 990 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:21.480 she has other boyfriends and stuff. 991 00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:25.159 Did you get him jealous? Or I don't know the truth? 992 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:29.599 I think he I don't know how he felt. I 993 00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:33.519 don't really know. I think he would still stay with her, 994 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:36.239 you know, I don't know if he had other when 995 00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:38.400 she wasn't there, if he had other people. 996 00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:40.840 There's a huge age difference between the two. 997 00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:43.960 She always well usually went for the older guys. 998 00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:48.559 So what what would she tell you about her feelings 999 00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:51.679 for Tommy? 1000 00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:53.320 It just. 1001 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:58.639 It would go like this, did she ever confide in 1002 00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:04.880 you that she might be there with him? I always 1003 00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.360 overheard her say love you, love you, love you. 1004 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:10.360 She never told you like mom, I think I'm in 1005 00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:13.320 love with this guy, or I think I just want 1006 00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:14.039 to be with him. 1007 00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:18.519 And no, no, in fact, she would say, Jesus, I 1008 00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:21.199 don't know, so you always go back. 1009 00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:23.440 I just ask you real quick again about the putting 1010 00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:28.159 the her stuff in that bag, and how did you 1011 00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:30.239 what what prompted you. 1012 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:30.639 To do that? 1013 00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:35.880 Well, when I went downstairs in the morning, I saw 1014 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:40.400 all her stuff there, her purse and then on the 1015 00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:43.440 you know, in my kitchen, how that one part comes out, 1016 00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:45.280 That's where she always put her purse. 1017 00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:47.760 Okay, so it was in the kitchen. What about her 1018 00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:51.039 makeup bag? And then her pillow was in there too. 1019 00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.360 It was right next to her purse, which was odd. 1020 00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:57.599 But the pillow wasn't in the bag. No, I didn't 1021 00:57:57.599 --> 00:57:59.239 take her she would. 1022 00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:01.760 I don't know she would have walked downstairs with a pillow. 1023 00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:05.320 Well, where's the pillow that's up in her room. I 1024 00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.239 took it back up to her room. Yeah, I was 1025 00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:10.840 sitting right by her purse. The pillow. She sleeps with 1026 00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:12.480 the purse. 1027 00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:20.800 So I put the purse in the

makeup bag, her 1028 00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:27.280 coat the latest coach she came home, which. 1029 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.159 Wasn't her usual coat, and when did she tell you 1030 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:30.599 to do that? And her hat? 1031 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.400 Well, when she said Tommy's picking me up. When I 1032 00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:39.519 heard that, I thought I heard her stage just just 1033 00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:43.519 pack my stuff. I think I think she said it 1034 00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:46.000 because in my mind I heard heard it because I 1035 00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:48.360 saw the stuff, all her stuff there the next day. 1036 00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:50.920 So then I packed it in. 1037 00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.639 That bag, thinking that, Okay, well, I'll probably be back 1038 00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:58.280 today tomorrow because she's never without a purse at his house. 1039 00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:04.920 That's that's very rare. So I fail, Okay, they'll be 1040 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:06.119 back or she'll be calling me. 1041 00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:06.559 To take it. 1042 00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:10.440 And then I put it to the side. I forgot 1043 00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:13.760 about it. I honestly forgot, you know. 1044 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:14.400 I would. 1045 00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:20.440 Right there by the makeup, you know, in that by 1046 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:24.360 back door. And then when the detective said that she 1047 00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:26.840 had a wallet or a purse, I said, oh, yeah, 1048 00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:28.440 you know, so I got it. 1049 00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:37.199 So can you understand Yeah, I know, I know, I 1050 00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:37.639 know what. 1051 00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:44.880 It looks like if you put your I'm just. 1052 00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:48.199 Just just arrest you know, just arrest me. Now, it 1053 00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:49.719 doesn't it doesn't make sense. 1054 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:50.599 Just arrest me. 1055 00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:53.400 Now, I know, if you don't have anything anon else 1056 00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:56.280 that you can't then I know. 1057 00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:57.239 I look like it. 1058 00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:00.519 I know I do, but you know what I mean, 1059 01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:03.039 like she doesn't it didn't have her stuff. 1060 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:08.239 Her pillows, pillars, pillows downstairs so she would walk down. 1061 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:15.480 It wasn't I have been. I have no idea. I 1062 01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:19.519 can't explain it. I mean, I can't explain it. 1063 01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:22.599 When when you look at you know, uh, you know 1064 01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:26.519 what we do for a living. We're very analytical, you know, 1065 01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:27.199 It's what we do. 1066 01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.440 We try to We look at things and say what 1067 01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:32.679 makes sense. And anytime you know, we've had female officers 1068 01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:35.960 that are involved in and they'll say, she didn't bring 1069 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.440 her purse. She was leaving the house and she didn't. 1070 01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:38.760 Bring her purse. 1071 01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:41.880 Here's the thing, something happened at that house. 1072 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.480 What I told you, if you would have done something 1073 01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:51.079 to rachelle okay at that house, and the hell would 1074 01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:51.840 I have left all? 1075 01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:53.719 Hear there? Well? 1076 01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:56.960 The thing the thing is who would be whould be 1077 01:00:56.960 --> 01:01:01.320 the last person that you know, police would talk to, 1078 01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:05.280 you know, or immediately think or or suspect something was wrong. 1079 01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:10.320 You know, who's the last person? No? Well not I 1080 01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:11.519 wouldn't say the last person. 1081 01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:15.880 But at the time, you know, you police aren't saying, well, 1082 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:20.840 you know, mom called called in and identified you know, Rachelle, 1083 01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:23.199 and you know, I said, our job was over. 1084 01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:25.719 There to try to get some information and piece together 1085 01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:28.239 where she was at and stuff like that. So you know, 1086 01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:32.199 we don't think anything of you know, until we start 1087 01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:37.119 looking and saying, okay, wait a second here. You know, 1088 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:42.559 something's not something's not right, you know, not say that 1089 01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:44.679 you're not you know what I mean, like you're great, 1090 01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:48.360 you know, you're just great, and not to say like 1091 01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:52.719 something was wrong with you. But we say, well why, 1092 01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:57.000 you know, why why is her stuff packed up? 1093 01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:01.079 And you say, okay, well she you thought you heard 1094 01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:09.280 her say, you know, pecked myself, you know, moving around right. 1095 01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:14.360 But then we say, well, we also have to look 1096 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:15.400 at the body of evidence. 1097 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:19.800 You know, body evidence is that everything's telling us that 1098 01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:22.639 she was at the house, you know, from the scene, 1099 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:28.079 everything's telling us that you know, there's there's stuff. And 1100 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:31.639 I think Detective West told you this. You know, whenever 1101 01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:36.039 you go somewhere, you leave something, yeah, and you take 1102 01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:38.039 something with you, you know what I mean. 1103 01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:43.239 So wherever

you're at, you know, like, for instance here, Yeah, 1104 01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:46.079 you know, they're going to find my DNA and this sure, 1105 01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:48.119 you know what I mean. They're going to find you know, 1106 01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:51.159 maybe my thinning hair is falling out, you know as 1107 01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:54.440 we speak, you know, and uh, they're going to find 1108 01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:54.960 my hair. 1109 01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:55.760 In here, you know what I mean. 1110 01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:58.599 But I'm also going to take probably some stuff that 1111 01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.480 other people were in here with me. When I go somewhere, 1112 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.960 I'm gonna take evidence that I was here, you know. 1113 01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:06.440 And so when we look at. 1114 01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:09.400 What we gathered at the scene, we say, okay, is 1115 01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:11.559 there evidence that she was somewhere else? Is there evidence 1116 01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:14.159 that she was taking somewhere else? Well, we know she 1117 01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:14.880 was wrapped. 1118 01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:15.480 In a sheet. 1119 01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:18.639 Oh okay, we know she was wrapped in the sheet. Okay. 1120 01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:21.639 And then we come to your house and what do 1121 01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:26.199 we find Yeah, in a room, Okay, what do we 1122 01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:28.519 find Jesus Christ? No sheets? 1123 01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:32.480 No sheets, Christ, Let's see what you mean. 1124 01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:35.679 We know that there was blood foe from her from 1125 01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:38.960 her head, Okay, and what do we find in a room? 1126 01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:49.360 No? No pillow? Okay, Okay, do you understand? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 1127 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:51.559 So you know I'm trying to I'm trying to give 1128 01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:53.639 you no I mean this is kind of a two 1129 01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:54.360 way street here. 1130 01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:57.400 You know, I'm trying to I'm trying to be upfront 1131 01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:59.599 with you, and I'm asking you Jesus, you know what 1132 01:03:59.639 --> 01:03:59.960 I mean. 1133 01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:01.679 I'm asking you to be upfront with me. 1134 01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:05.320 I'm you didn't always have sheets on that bed. 1135 01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:09.559 But we know she but we know she was wrapped 1136 01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:12.719 in a sheet. We know it, and we know she 1137 01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:17.920 laid there for a while. You know, there's science. There's science. 1138 01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:23.159 We know she was wrapped in the sheet. Okay, yeah, 1139 01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:27.199 so where do we Where do we look for a sheep? 1140 01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:28.400 Where look for a sheep? 1141 01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:28.840 You know? 1142 01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:39.119 We say, okay, let's look. You know there's no sheep. Now. Yeah, Well, 1143 01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:41.719 I'm telling you I've told you something. You know what 1144 01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:46.760 I mean, Like I need you know what I mean. 1145 01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:49.360 That's why I'm telling you. I'm not lying. I'm not 1146 01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:50.360 making this stuff up. 1147 01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:54.000 I'm not attacking you based on just you know what 1148 01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:57.559 I have a hunch. I'm not, as you said, squeezing 1149 01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:04.039 you right. I'm not juicing. Okay, I'm not juicing. I'm 1150 01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:06.760 telling you the truth. As sure as God made little 1151 01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:12.480 green apples. I know for a fact that now we 1152 01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:15.840 look at the house and we know something happened there 1153 01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:20.840 and we look at who who's home, you know, and 1154 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:21.760 like you said. 1155 01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:24.840 You know Bennett, No, Bennett didn't do anything, you know. 1156 01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:32.719 You know, Like I said, I mean, I wish, I 1157 01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:36.000 wish we dealt with more people like you. 1158 01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:38.679 You know what I mean. I'm serious, I wish we 1159 01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:40.960 dealt with the more people like you. And it pains 1160 01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:45.559 me to have to talk to you about an incident 1161 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:50.679 like this. You know what I mean, because I care, 1162 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:52.840 and I know you care. You know what I mean. 1163 01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:53.679 I know you care. 1164 01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:57.760 I know you care, and I know that deep down inside. 1165 01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:01.559 I mean, you are just a great person. There's no 1166 01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:02.199 doubt about it. 1167 01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:04.960 Yeah, I think you are too. Oh thank you. I 1168 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:08.159 know that right when you came in. But I know 1169 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:11.280 you care, you know. But I also know, and I 1170 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:13.639 told you this before, whether or not. 1171 01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:19.880 I've seen I've seen priests, I've seen pastors, I've seen 1172 01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:23.599 good family men. I saw a guy one time. He 1173 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:26.599 was married for forty. 1174 01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.559 Or fifty some years. Guy was in the seventies. It's 1175 01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:30.239 a long marriage. 1176 01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:33.960 And yeah, yes, in my canion, he was in his 1177 01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:39.239 marriage for a long time and one day he ended 1178 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:43.360 up killing his wife. Yeah, and you talk to they 1179 01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:47.199 talked to the neighbors and they said, Wow, that guy 1180 01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:48.320 was such a sweet guy. 1181

01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:53.079 Yeah, and his wife nagged him and nagged him, and she. 1182 01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:55.199 Was the kind of lady that would still take the 1183 01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:57.320 ball when the neighborhood kids were playing in a ball 1184 01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:58.039 in your yard. 1185 01:06:57.880 --> 01:06:58.440 She would take it. 1186 01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:01.480 And you know, she was just she was just a 1187 01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:07.159 bad person, you know. And so he snapped, he made 1188 01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:10.400 a mistake, and the neighbor's like, you know what, he's 1189 01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:13.159 a sweet guy, and what should. 1190 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:13.599 Happen to him? 1191 01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:18.880 Well, the very minimum, whatever the very minimum is. 1192 01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:19.599 Is what they gave them, you know. 1193 01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:23.280 And I think a lot of times and like I said, 1194 01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:26.559 when people do things, they're worried about the consequences. They're 1195 01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:29.239 worried about what's going to happen to them. Oh my gosh, 1196 01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:31.480 am I going to go to prison for my life, 1197 01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:34.239 you know, a whole life. But what happens is we 1198 01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:37.000 allow them to tell their story, you know, we allow 1199 01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:40.639 them to tell their side of what happens, you know, 1200 01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:43.639 and we get to see it because we are investigating it. 1201 01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:47.320 We get to see, you know, the bad side of 1202 01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:50.960 what they say a victim, you know, they call them victims, 1203 01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:53.960 and we get to see you know, some of the 1204 01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:55.360 worst parts of them. 1205 01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:58.920 And you hear people say, well, I knew something was 1206 01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:02.400 going to happen to him because they constantly cracked on 1207 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:03.039 other people. 1208 01:08:03.079 --> 01:08:07.480 They constantly treated people like crap, and you know. And so, 1209 01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:11.960 like I said, you know, I'm trying to I'm trying 1210 01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:16.399 to give you somewhat of the information without giving the 1211 01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:18.399 case away, you know what I mean, so to speak, 1212 01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:20.079 you know, And I'm not. 1213 01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:25.319 Juicing juice in I'm not trying to juice you. I'm 1214 01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:28.399 trying to tell you the facts. I'm trying to be 1215 01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:31.800 up up front with you. So, like I said, when 1216 01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.039 I say, we you know, we know she was wrapped 1217 01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:39.520 in a sheet, are you able to tell me? Because well, listen, 1218 01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:40.159 here's the thing. 1219 01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:43.720 If we find the fibers and they come from the house, 1220 01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:47.760 it's best that we know ahead of time would happen, you. 1221 01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:50.560 Know what I mean? Yeah, are you able to tell 1222 01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:52.800 me what it looked like? Pas? 1223 01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:54.600 And I can tell you if that came from. 1224 01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:58.039 My house, Well, we don't have said we don't have 1225 01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:02.039 the sheet. We just know what sheet, you know, but 1226 01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:05.239 we'll have the vibers. And so if there's fibers in the. 1227 01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:08.760 Room, we can say that you know they came from there. 1228 01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:13.000 We also could tell you know, animal hairs. Of course, 1229 01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:16.960 Charles is everywhere, you know what I'm saying, So everywhere 1230 01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:19.960 you go get something up, yeah, and you take it with. 1231 01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:25.600 He's everywhere. But like the technive Vlachlin said is that 1232 01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:31.720 it's always best to tell your sided story first, you know, 1233 01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:36.880 of the evidence, before the evidence would before the evidence 1234 01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:39.119 speaks for itself. You know what I mean, before it 1235 01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:42.479 speaks for itself. If we go to if we go 1236 01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:46.640 to a prosecutor and me say, listen, this is what 1237 01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:50.079 this is what happened. This is the story. You know. 1238 01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:53.640 Janet was cooperative, Janet was up front. 1239 01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:57.479 Janet's kind of like a saint when it comes to 1240 01:09:57.520 --> 01:09:59.600 hand to endure what she had to endure. 1241 01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:02.640 Jesus, there's a crown. There's a crown for you up 1242 01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:07.279 in heaven. There is no I'm not all that good. 1243 01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:10.199 Listen to me. Listen, I'm not that good. 1244 01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:12.840 You're a better person than I am, because I don't 1245 01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:14.840 think I could hack. I don't think I could hack. 1246 01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:17.800 Well, we do what we have to do. We all do. 1247 01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:21.199 We all have something you can tell you in social work. 1248 01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:24.520 So I teach you what we all do with our 1249 01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:26.319 own things. Oh, we all have her own cross the bear, 1250 01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:27.439 I understand it. 1251 01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:30.760 But if we're able to go to the prosecutor and say, look, 1252 01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:32.760 she came clean. 1253 01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:35.760 She told us what happened. You know, this was a 1254 01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:39.720 spur of the moment. This wasn't precalculated homicide. This is 1255

01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:42.680 what they call, you know, crime of passion, you know, 1256 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:46.039 and she was up front, and she obviously is remorseful 1257 01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:46.720 for what she did. 1258 01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:51.199 She didn't intend on hurry, you know, anybody. 1259 01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:54.319 You know, that's what That's what we'd like, I know, 1260 01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:55.800 I mean, you'd like me to just. 1261 01:10:57.279 --> 01:11:00.920 Please, I didn't do anything here. 1262 01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:02.720 I know, we can sit here another. 1263 01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:05.520 Have you ever taken if you actually taking later or 1264 01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:08.680 anybody taking like a polygraph or anything like that, You 1265 01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:09.399 never take those? 1266 01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:15.640 No, And I would maybe, But if I'm doing that, 1267 01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:18.399 I would want to definitely have an attorney to advise 1268 01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:18.920 me on that. 1269 01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:21.600 Because my late husband. 1270 01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:25.560 Said, don't you if there's ever anything. Yeah, he was 1271 01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:31.279 a criminal defense attorney. Your husband was, yeah, don't the 1272 01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:40.800 polygraphs false? Darryl Tayberski, Yeah, I remember, Yeah, how NGO 1273 01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:41.399 did he pass? 1274 01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:47.199 He passed in Bingo? Yeah, it was fifteen years August 1275 01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:52.279 twenty fourth, ninety nine. Are you kidding? No, it's my 1276 01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:56.560 daughter's birthday. Oh God, lover, wow August twenty four, ninety nine. 1277 01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:04.399 Jesus Christ, what that is? Just yeah? Yeah? Do you 1278 01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:05.640 remember what time she was born? 1279 01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:07.119 Uh? 1280 01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:12.279 Sometime, I'm wife. I can't remember. That's okay. 1281 01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:15.279 He passed away at just at just after the twenty 1282 01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:17.159 third or twelve fifteen, okay. 1283 01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:19.600 Now she was born like maybe six or seven in 1284 01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:20.000 the morning. 1285 01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:26.279 Oh okay, yeah, wow, yeah, Well, I just want I 1286 01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:27.079 know you're a good man. 1287 01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:31.359 That's something wrong, Jane, And I think you. I think 1288 01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:33.159 you were a good Tell her he walked in like, 1289 01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:34.680 I like that guy. 1290 01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:39.640 I think Darrel would agree with us that everybody makes 1291 01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:40.880 mistakes and. 1292 01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:44.800 That oh absolutely he made plenty, and the man. 1293 01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:49.600 Upstairs he made plenty, and so have I. Yeah, I 1294 01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:53.800 agree with me or not that you would be judged 1295 01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:56.039 on what you do to make things right versus what 1296 01:12:56.119 --> 01:13:02.479 you do that made things wrong. And it goes along 1297 01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:05.319 with what we're saying as far as will you show 1298 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:09.239 me your cards and I'll show your mine, Because when 1299 01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:17.520 you're reactive to evidence versus being proactive and getting out 1300 01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:21.920 in front of it and admitting the mistakes. It looks 1301 01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:26.079 better for you, or it looks better for whomever versus 1302 01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:29.760 waiting for things to come in. And then you know, 1303 01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:36.079 like phone records and DNA and that stuff, and that's 1304 01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:40.319 like concrete stuff. That stuff you can't can't dispute it. 1305 01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:41.800 You can't dispute that stuff. 1306 01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:43.039 I mean. 1307 01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:50.880 And again, like you said, you want to help out 1308 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:53.079 as much as you can in order to find a 1309 01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:56.079 person that did this. You want very much to find 1310 01:13:56.119 --> 01:14:01.239 out who did this to show it. Yeah, and we're 1311 01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:02.279 not going to stop. 1312 01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:05.920 Until I don't think you would would ever stop. I 1313 01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:08.079 know you won't get to the bottom of this. 1314 01:14:08.279 --> 01:14:12.399 I know it in Forensica doesn't lie. But it's you know, 1315 01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:14.800 just like just like you know, when you look into 1316 01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:16.720 a car and you look with the naked eye, you 1317 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:19.399 really don't see much, especially if somebody's had a chance 1318 01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:22.319 to clean things up. But when you start throwing around 1319 01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:25.760 years and years of proven chemicals and stuff like that, 1320 01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:30.239 you start to see stuff, especially that I mean, you 1321 01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:33.840 see it all the time that it starts to prove theory. 1322 01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:39.239 It starts to show the path that someone takes. And 1323 01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:44.039 I can understand the defensive position where you're like, look, man, 1324 01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:46.199 I didn't do it anything. You know, you got everything 1325 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:48.520 bottled up and like I didn't do anything. I just 1326 01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:52.600 isn't you know, prove your case. But in the end, 1327 01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:58.039 if the case is proven, it's going to be a 1328 01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:02.680 whole lot different versus someone being completely honest and admitting mistakes. 1329 01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:06.520 Because you know, there's been times in my

life where 1330 01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:07.920 I've said things out of anger. 1331 01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:10.279 I've done things out of plenty of times. 1332 01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:12.680 And when we all do, when we all do, and 1333 01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:18.079 we make mistakes, and that is something undisputable. 1334 01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:20.479 I'm not disagreeing with anything. 1335 01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:22.880 Somebody's perfect. The last one they held on across. 1336 01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:29.239 Okay, So and right now we're in we're in your corner, 1337 01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:31.560 I know, you know what I mean, Like I know 1338 01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:34.359 we would say we know. 1339 01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:36.920 The situation, you know, and I know you're doing your job. 1340 01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:39.319 But what happens is, you know, I know. 1341 01:15:39.319 --> 01:15:42.319 I'm doing it someone when someone doesn't, you know, when 1342 01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:45.760 someone doesn't come clean and someone doesn't tell us the truth, 1343 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.720 or if someone doesn't give us all the facts, then 1344 01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:50.159 we say that's it. 1345 01:15:50.319 --> 01:15:52.359 You know what I mean? I believe that, like right now. 1346 01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:56.159 I'm ready to care now right here seriously, because I 1347 01:15:57.199 --> 01:15:59.720 know you're going to keep doing just might as well 1348 01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:02.279 just just bring me my rights and put me in 1349 01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:05.479 take me and then I gotta I gotta make my 1350 01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:09.920 attorney phone call and then seriously. 1351 01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:11.479 I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I 1352 01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:12.039 don't know. 1353 01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:14.399 We don't want to do that. That's the thing is 1354 01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:16.960 that we want the truth, and we want it to 1355 01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:18.079 be I. 1356 01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:22.119 Said, here and confess to murdering my dom. 1357 01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:24.720 No, No, that's not what we're saying. 1358 01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:27.880 I mean, we have the we have the procedures we 1359 01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:31.279 have to go through, but we can also but we 1360 01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:35.960 also say she's not a flight risk, she's not a 1361 01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:39.760 danger to anybody else, you know, And that's the kind 1362 01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:43.399 of stuff that we would advocate, you know, Like I said, Yeah, 1363 01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:47.239 I mean obviously you know there's consequences for actions. 1364 01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:50.319 Of course, I would never say to you, you know, 1365 01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:53.199 just tell me what you did and and you won't 1366 01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:54.760 go to jail. I'm not going to tell you that. 1367 01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:57.760 And I don't make promises, you know,

I told you 1368 01:16:57.840 --> 01:16:59.960 from the get go. I don't lie. I don't lie. 1369 01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:03.239 I had the right to lie as a police officer, 1370 01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:04.159 but I don't. 1371 01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:11.279 I don't because you can come back to to bite you. 1372 01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:14.720 You lose all credibility and you're no good. 1373 01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:16.439 You know. I appreciate everything. 1374 01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:18.920 So so like I said, for me to for me 1375 01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:21.479 to sit here and say, Janet, if you told me, 1376 01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:23.199 you know, if you told. 1377 01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:25.880 Me what happened, you know, you're gonna walk right out 1378 01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:27.000 of the station here. 1379 01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:27.600 Yeah. 1380 01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:30.279 No, I mean you know there's consequences, you know, and 1381 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:32.039 you've probably taught Betted that and then it. 1382 01:17:32.079 --> 01:17:37.319 No, there's consequences, honey, you know. And so like I said, 1383 01:17:37.319 --> 01:17:41.520 I don't want you to, you know, I think that well, 1384 01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:43.359 if I, you know, tell them, they'll leave me alone 1385 01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:45.600 and I'll walk out of here. I know. You have 1386 01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:48.920 to do your job exactly, and I wouldn't enjoy it. 1387 01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:52.199 Believe I wouldn't enjoy it. It would not be something 1388 01:17:52.199 --> 01:17:53.279 that I get pleasure. 1389 01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:56.119 Out of it, you know, especially a person like you. 1390 01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:58.840 We thank you, you know, but we also have to 1391 01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:02.159 do the right thing for Shelling to of course. And 1392 01:18:02.399 --> 01:18:05.439 and just like like Lieutenant pe Teko says, as far 1393 01:18:05.439 --> 01:18:08.079 as you can't make promises or anything like that, is 1394 01:18:08.079 --> 01:18:10.520 that you understand that there's certain and I'm sure Daryl 1395 01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:15.239 would have probably told you this is that there's areas 1396 01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:20.239 that a judge looks at it when he goes to 1397 01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:27.399 the punishment phase. Will you agree with me when a 1398 01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:33.119 detective or a prosecutor goes to a judge or even 1399 01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:37.800 people come up and they'll say, look, so and so 1400 01:18:37.960 --> 01:18:41.800 was honest with us. So and so told us, you know, 1401 01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:45.439 it was remorseful for the things that they did. We'd 1402 01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:48.520 like we would be okay with so and so be 1403 01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:53.920 in charge with this instead of that. We're not looking 1404 01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:55.279 for and that's. 1405 01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:57.760 Something that my attorney will get into. 1406 01:18:57.920 --> 01:18:59.960 Right and that's true. 1407 01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:01.920 Arrest me, none of right now. 1408 01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:08.439 But then the question would be still is that if 1409 01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:14.359 someone's honest, the defense or what we would do is 1410 01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:19.720 a lot of our way to make sure that someone's 1411 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:23.079 honesty was very present, or that they knew about this, 1412 01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:27.000 that they helped through the investigation, they admitted their mistakes, 1413 01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:32.159 and they helped with the continuing investigation versus Look, every 1414 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:34.680 time this was brought up, the door got slammed in 1415 01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:37.399 our face. There was no help, there was no cooperation. 1416 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:43.760 This type of thing. You know, it's we wouldn't be 1417 01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:46.439 looking for any type of deals or breaks or anything 1418 01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:50.079 like that, Okay, And that the judge would only have 1419 01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:53.279 one choice to charge with, and that would probably be 1420 01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:56.760 the most extreme versus the other, where that someone was 1421 01:19:56.840 --> 01:20:00.479 cooperative and helped out the investigation and answered questions or 1422 01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:03.720 putting themselves trying to pieces to the puzzle together. 1423 01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:07.119 To let you through twice without a search. Warm you know, 1424 01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:13.600 the thing is, well, the thing is is that representation? Well? 1425 01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:16.199 The thing well, the thing is listen right now. You 1426 01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:18.560 know what people are thinking. People are thinking. 1427 01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:20.520 That there's this monster on the loose, you know what 1428 01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:24.640 I mean, Like, you know, like they see you know 1429 01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:26.680 that Shelley was founded. 1430 01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:30.319 And uh you know, you know, we don't know who 1431 01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:30.600 did this. 1432 01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:33.000 You know, it's like, oh, I'm sure you're getting pressure 1433 01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:34.600 from the public. 1434 01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:37.560 I'm yeah, you know, I I the dude need to 1435 01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:40.800 protect the citizens in north Ridgeville, you know. And when 1436 01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:42.840 the people in north ridgevild are thinking the head there's 1437 01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:47.920 there's a there's a killer on the loose, you know. Yeah, 1438 01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:50.520 there is a lot of pressure. But you know what, 1439 01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:54.000 I'm not gonna I'm not going to cave into that pressure, 1440 01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:58.159 you know, just put somebody in jail, just to put 1441 01:20:58.159

--> 01:21:00.680 somebody in jail, you know what I mean. And I'm 1442 01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:03.359 not going to make things up. I'm not gonna you know, 1443 01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:07.159 I'm not gonna lie and and do whatever I have to, 1444 01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:10.439 you know. And unfortunately, you know that happens in the past. 1445 01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:12.680 It's happened a long time ago. We don't do we 1446 01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:15.720 don't operate that right What we want to do is 1447 01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:18.279 we want to share people that hey, you know, this 1448 01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:21.319 wasn't you know, And I can't unfortunately, I can't release 1449 01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:23.720 that evidence to the public. I can't say, well, this 1450 01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:26.920 is what we found, you know. And you know, really 1451 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:28.680 some of the stuff that I've told you is a 1452 01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:30.199 lot of stuff that's. 1453 01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:34.399 You know, really shouldn't be sure. But I'm just telling 1454 01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:40.920 you is that we know, we know what happened happened 1455 01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:45.560 to Shelley at the house. And right now, like I said, 1456 01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:48.800 you've been you've been cooperated with us, and I want 1457 01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:51.159 you to continue to be cooperative with us all the 1458 01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:52.520 way to the end. You know what I mean. 1459 01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:56.159 You ever, you know, like they cooperate people, You know, 1460 01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:58.760 people cooperate, co operate quipery. They get to that, you know, 1461 01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:00.760 and they don't hurtle. They don't know if they want 1462 01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:03.159 to cross it because they know there's you know, this 1463 01:22:03.319 --> 01:22:05.640 is it you know, we're gonna go plunge full in. 1464 01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:06.680 You know, this is it. 1465 01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:08.640 I got to go all the way. It's now or never, 1466 01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:11.520 you know. And that's what we're trying to tell you, 1467 01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:12.680 is that you. 1468 01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:14.880 Know you you you know, when you make that plunge, 1469 01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:19.479 it's scary, it's scary. It's scary. It's scary. I don't 1470 01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:22.319 have any more for you. It's scary. You know. Yeah, 1471 01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:25.079 I got scary. It's scary. To what do you think 1472 01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:26.560 that take that jump? 1473 01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:28.239 What do I think happened to him? 1474 01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:28.560 No? 1475 01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:29.960 No, what I what I was gonna say is do 1476 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:33.920 you think that that you'd be willing to take that 1477 01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:36.039 that polygraph to help give us a listen, a little 1478 01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:38.520 bit more to give us And you had a chance 1479 01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:40.000 to speak with your attorney. 1480 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:42.560 Right, I have to have a representation. Could you do that? 1481 01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:44.960 Could you do that today? Could you speak with that 1482 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:45.640 person today? 1483 01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:48.439 I don't know who I pick as my attorney. I 1484 01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:50.159 don't know if I can afford one. 1485 01:22:50.640 --> 01:22:51.800 I don't know who. 1486 01:22:52.119 --> 01:22:54.119 Do you have someone in mind that or maybe that 1487 01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:56.119 you that your husband do that? 1488 01:22:56.199 --> 01:22:59.319 Darryl new Yeah, but I'm not sure about those guys. 1489 01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:04.760 I'm not sure they'd be on my side, Yeah, I 1490 01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:05.560 don't know about that. 1491 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:08.840 Well, you say that you don't have any more, but 1492 01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:09.479 there is more. 1493 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:15.279 So maybe in more what the polygraph. 1494 01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:18.319 You say, you say that you don't have any more 1495 01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:18.680 to give. 1496 01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:20.399 I've got what. 1497 01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:22.479 I'm saying, but I'm saying is that there is one 1498 01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:23.319 more thing to give. 1499 01:23:23.640 --> 01:23:27.520 What's up? I'd like to I want to. 1500 01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:30.119 Write and I know you just said, but I guess 1501 01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:36.720 my question is, would you be willing two maybe at 1502 01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:43.840 least talk about speak to an attorney when in order 1503 01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:48.119 to maybe facilitate that today in order to take the 1504 01:23:48.199 --> 01:23:50.920 polygraph today, like with the next couple of. 1505 01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:55.039 My attorney can't be some guy you're connected to Lake Water. 1506 01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:57.560 You can't dress the guy up in a suit and 1507 01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:01.640 here's your attourney. 1508 01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:04.239 I mean, I'd like to see it happen today, But 1509 01:24:04.359 --> 01:24:06.640 I'm not trying to violate your rights or anything. To 1510 01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:07.520 what I'm trying to say. 1511 01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:09.279 I would say, no, I'm not going to do a 1512 01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:12.680 polygraph because I just know that they can give false 1513 01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:16.560 reads and it sounds like I'm suspect number one. 1514 01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:20.039 It's not the case. It's it's us trying to use If. 1515 01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:22.159 I'm not going to do a polygraph, I'm not going 1516 01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:22.600 to do that. 1517 01:24:24.079 --> 01:24:24.119 No. 1518 01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:33.439 The other thing too. 1519 01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:37.359 Is you know, yeah, when we

when we leave here, 1520 01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:40.840 you know, without a conclusion, don't know. 1521 01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:45.800 Yeah, it's it will come to a conclusion. This will 1522 01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:46.720 come to a conclusion. 1523 01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:47.399 I know it. 1524 01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:51.560 And like I said, I was hoping today, you know, 1525 01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:54.239 based on who you are, based on your reputation and 1526 01:24:55.119 --> 01:24:57.680 the kind of person that you were, that we could 1527 01:24:57.680 --> 01:25:00.680 bring this to a conclusion today. Okay, that this would 1528 01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:05.039 be And like I said, and I know, we still 1529 01:25:05.079 --> 01:25:08.479 have to comb through and gather a lot more evidence. 1530 01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:10.479 We have to build it, you know, with what they 1531 01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:14.600 call circumstantial case. You know, because I. 1532 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:18.000 Guarante Jesus Christ, You've got all the circumstances you need. 1533 01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:21.960 Now listen, I say you've got everything. It's a circumstance 1534 01:25:22.079 --> 01:25:23.840 or case. What I'm just saying is you got all 1535 01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:27.840 the stuff there, You've got the history. I know what 1536 01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:32.920 it looks like. But but listen, but listen and again, 1537 01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:33.640 and what. 1538 01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:37.680 We're trying to say is that this is not you know, 1539 01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:41.199 the whole purpose of this is to is to get 1540 01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:45.319 closure for one and second, not only for not only 1541 01:25:45.319 --> 01:25:46.880 for show, but also for. 1542 01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:50.880 You absolutely, you know, absolutely to not be not be 1543 01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:54.960 looking over your shoulder every time or worrying and saying, 1544 01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:57.439 you know, did I do this? I'll go Are they 1545 01:25:57.439 --> 01:25:59.840 going to find this? Are they going to find out 1546 01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:01.880 what happened? Are they gonna you know what I mean? 1547 01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:05.640 Instead of that, you know what I mean, and it 1548 01:26:06.119 --> 01:26:08.640 carries carries with you the whole time. 1549 01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:10.920 I'm not feeling that way, but I know you already 1550 01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:15.159 have stuff that you think makes me look guilty the 1551 01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:18.800 first and get it the sheet. 1552 01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:23.159 Well that's the circumstantial stuff. Well, it sounds like what 1553 01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:27.159 I'm saying is that the next step would be to 1554 01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:28.960 get the physical evidence. 1555 01:26:29.479 --> 01:26:31.560 That's the DNA may or. 1556 01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:36.079 May not already be had. Meaning like we talked about 1557 01:26:37.279 --> 01:26:40.319 the stuff in the car or the stuff in the house, 1558 01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:42.439 And what I mean by that is save blood evidence. 1559 01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:44.880 Let's save blood evidence in the house. Of blood evidence 1560 01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:48.399 in the car stuff you can't I mean that may 1561 01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:51.399 already be had at this point. 1562 01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:56.760 There's bleached spots in the back of the vand I 1563 01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:57.920 spilled a bottle of bleach. 1564 01:26:58.239 --> 01:26:59.039 When did you that? 1565 01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:01.960 They're going to think that new bleaching out blood. 1566 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:08.960 Years years, years, years, so they'll they'll know that. 1567 01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:15.520 Okay, okay, okay, yeah, said it's it's dissipated by. 1568 01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:18.399 The Okay, when's the last time you cleaned your car? 1569 01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:23.640 Um cleaned it like a vacuum. 1570 01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:25.279 Vacuum washed it down inside. 1571 01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:32.039 Oh not lately? 1572 01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:37.119 Six months? Four months? Five months? 1573 01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:49.319 Oh? Why in the last months before winter before winter. 1574 01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:52.840 So roughly October maybe? 1575 01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:53.840 Yeah. 1576 01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:58.760 And when we and when you describe what you did, describe. 1577 01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:02.560 Some I just clean up the mess. 1578 01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:04.920 There's so much like just take garbage. 1579 01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:07.520 Out of it. Yeah, there's a lot of What. 1580 01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:12.840 About taking like windex to the windows or fantastic to 1581 01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:15.600 the interiors. 1582 01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:19.359 I do the lifestyle wipes. Yeah, I just bought them, 1583 01:28:19.600 --> 01:28:20.680 but I haven't used them yet. 1584 01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:24.039 Yeah, So you haven't used anything like that on the 1585 01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:27.199 inside of your car in the last two months. 1586 01:28:28.079 --> 01:28:30.840 Maybe on the steering though, to kind of keep down 1587 01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:34.600 with the flu in the winter, but nothing. No, it's 1588 01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:36.479 so dusty and dirty, it's so gross. 1589 01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:42.359 You know. We have we have license plate readers. I 1590 01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:45.720 don't if you were those, and they're. 1591 01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:49.119 They're set up in various locations throughout Kayla County, Loreene County. 1592 01:28:49.479 --> 01:28:52.680 Would there be any reason that when the license plates 1593 01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:56.159 readers would have picked up your car license plate in 1594 01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:56.960 Loriene County. 1595 01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:02.479 When when around the time of Lley's death. 1596 01:29:05.520 -->

01:29:13.479 Well, let's see, now, Lorraine County, when what day are 1597 01:29:13.520 --> 01:29:14.319 you talking. 1598 01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:17.239 About I'm talking about I would need to know. 1599 01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:23.119 Well, I'm just talking with the Okay, this was the 1600 01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:28.279 day that Shelley's body was don Okay, fifteenth, So anywhere 1601 01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:29.880 from the twelve thirteenth. 1602 01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:32.359 Fourteenth or fifteenth the fourteenth. 1603 01:29:32.840 --> 01:29:38.399 I picked Hannah up at Oberlin and brought Hannah home. 1604 01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:47.600 And how do you go to Oberlin Turnpike turnpike? And 1605 01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:52.680 where do you get on typically the turnpike? And what 1606 01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:54.720 exit do you get off? About the third pike? 1607 01:29:56.119 --> 01:30:00.640 There's no, Yeah, which is I picked her up on 1608 01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:03.359 the fourteenth in the afternoon, Yeah, to. 1609 01:30:03.239 --> 01:30:05.520 Come home to look at an olderline accent. 1610 01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:14.840 On the yeah, off overlines and off the term. 1611 01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:15.119 And then and then which route do you bill down 1612 01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:18.279 that fifty seven? It would be oh, okay, so you 1613 01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:21.560 take the turnpike to fifty seven. Yeah, just that first term, 1614 01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:24.880 first exit okay. Yeah, So there wouldn't be any reason 1615 01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:28.279 that they would the plate coming off of uh under 1616 01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:37.000 the Lorrain Road there Lorraine Road, like north Ridgeville Lorraine Road. 1617 01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:45.520 There's like McDonald's sheets. I don't know. I don't know. 1618 01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:48.159 I don't think so, I don't recall where that is 1619 01:30:49.039 --> 01:30:52.079 McDonald's sheets is where in north Bridgeville? 1620 01:30:54.159 --> 01:31:07.079 No, no, but it's Saturday, Saturday afternoonish, early afternoon, picks Ham. 1621 01:31:07.399 --> 01:31:09.520 And where did you bring her to the house? 1622 01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:18.560 And yeah, she hung out and we did some looking 1623 01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:22.920 for summer internship stuff on the computer. I pretty sure. 1624 01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:28.159 Yeah, I was on the computer or on her laptop. 1625 01:31:28.239 --> 01:31:31.520 I can't remember what she did, but we just. 1626 01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:39.800 Did some, you know, usual stuff, hung out, got are 1627 01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:41.920 some I'm gonna take some clothes back. 1628 01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:47.600 And when did you pick up Shelley stuff? 1629 01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:54.840 That probably would have been on when I came down 1630 01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:58.800 on the thirteenth and saw it there that that morning 1631 01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:00.880 when I was gonna if idy to school. 1632 01:32:01.479 --> 01:32:11.359 What time would have that been? Eight? Eight am? But 1633 01:32:11.439 --> 01:32:11.760 I don't know. 1634 01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:14.199 If I packed it up, then that's when I saw it. 1635 01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:17.920 When I, uh, that would have been around when I 1636 01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:18.399 saw it. 1637 01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:25.359 When did you pack it up? When I packed it up? 1638 01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:33.600 Let's see, probably that afternoon. Okay. Was anybody in the 1639 01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:35.439 house with you when you packed it up? 1640 01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:39.920 Well, Betty would have been there. He might have been 1641 01:32:39.920 --> 01:32:40.560 watching TV. 1642 01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:45.039 Okay, But Hannah Hannah hadn't been home yet. 1643 01:32:45.039 --> 01:32:50.000 Oh, no, so you went and picked up Hannah? 1644 01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:53.079 Yes, she came home that Saturday. 1645 01:32:53.479 --> 01:32:54.760 Yeah, And so. 1646 01:32:57.399 --> 01:33:02.520 That Saturday you were in marine care. Yeah, late afternoon yep, 1647 01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:06.199 about what time? Early afternoon? 1648 01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:21.640 Earlier? About what time? Ah to two thirty ish? Probably? Yeah? 1649 01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:24.520 And so did anybody travel with you out? 1650 01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:26.880 And Hannah would know you, she'll know more. 1651 01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:29.039 About that when you to go pick her up? Yeah? 1652 01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:32.640 Would did you stop anywhere along the way to go 1653 01:33:32.680 --> 01:33:32.920 get her? 1654 01:33:33.039 --> 01:33:35.520 Don't think so. I don't think. So. You've got on 1655 01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:39.680 a turnpike. I think I think that's that's that's well. 1656 01:33:40.439 --> 01:33:43.600 I mean, I mean, I'm trying to think pick up Hannah. 1657 01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:50.319 Where did you go? Yeah, on the turnpike? What all right? 1658 01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:52.600 So you went on a turnpike. You didn't get off 1659 01:33:52.600 --> 01:34:00.720 at any of the other exits? I don't think so. No, Okay, 1660 01:34:01.359 --> 01:34:05.319 So Sady, about two thirty you gotta turnpike and you 1661 01:34:05.359 --> 01:34:08.720 got off at fifty seven exit? I think so? And 1662 01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:11.000 then you were and then you went down fifty seven 1663 01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:17.039 north or south? Where would that be to go into Oberland? There? Yeah? 1664 01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:26.039 Pick her up? Now do you get another highway to get. 1665 01:34:27.680 --> 01:34:30.840 To get to Oberland, like down fifty seven to rout 1666 01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:35.359 ten ten wor's ten it's another highway. If you go 1667 01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:40.439 south on fifty seven and you hit we're for eighty okay, 1668 01:34:40.800 --> 01:34:45.800 you know we're for eighty Route ten or twenty. 1669 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:48.880 Well, just show just

show me how you go, how 1670 01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:52.119 you went to Oberland. That's all I wanted to know. Well, 1671 01:34:54.560 --> 01:35:02.359 go see, yeah, if you go right there where the 1672 01:35:02.359 --> 01:35:07.199 midway mall is, and go right there's the interchange midway 1673 01:35:07.239 --> 01:35:10.760 mall there. Yeah, and then you take fifty seven. Did 1674 01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:11.079 you go? 1675 01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:15.640 Yeah, see the midway malls here where you get off 1676 01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:17.279 on the on the turnpike. 1677 01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:22.640 Yeah, it's right there, yeah, right here. I'm sorry. So 1678 01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:24.920 you go south? Yeah, and then where do you go? 1679 01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:26.600 First exit south of the Oberland? 1680 01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:32.399 Would you go to some thirteen and cut over one thirteen? 1681 01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:36.239 I don't think so. For fifty seven? 1682 01:35:36.359 --> 01:35:38.640 Yeah, down down fifty seven into Oberlin? 1683 01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:42.439 Right, isn't that way the way you go? If you 1684 01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:48.039 go west? Keep going west and you go to fifty eight? 1685 01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:52.560 Yeah, I just take the turn years over right there? 1686 01:35:52.640 --> 01:35:54.680 Fifteen Oh, fifty. 1687 01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:59.199 Eight, I say, fifty seven, yeah, fifty eight, Yeah, there's. 1688 01:35:59.039 --> 01:36:00.000 A fifty seven right. 1689 01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:07.239 Oh, So you get off at you take fifty. 1690 01:36:06.920 --> 01:36:10.479 Eight all the way down from the turnpike. 1691 01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:16.760 Right, yeah, yeah, I know there's a name Hursticks right there. 1692 01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:22.279 That's it. So you get off right there. Okay, so 1693 01:36:22.359 --> 01:36:23.680 you didn't you didn't get off. 1694 01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:24.880 Ye stan Hurst Exit. 1695 01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:30.800 Okay, so you didn't get off before that, I don't think. 1696 01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:33.479 So that's the way I take the oval one. 1697 01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:37.560 I mean when you stopped the gat launch or anything, 1698 01:36:39.159 --> 01:36:45.680 so along over right from your house, so if you 1699 01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:47.960 went door to to or about forty minutes. 1700 01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:49.560 Yeah, about forty minutes. 1701 01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:53.000 Yeah. Yeah. 1702 01:36:53.399 --> 01:36:56.319 How many times have you driven that good bed? 1703 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:58.840 Yeah? I drive that along because you got to pick 1704 01:36:58.840 --> 01:36:59.479 her up quite a bit. 1705 01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:03.479 Well, no, she doesn't come home that often, but but 1706 01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:08.520 you know once a month, once a day, couple, you know, 1707 01:37:08.600 --> 01:37:11.479 to get something to take that just have a little 1708 01:37:11.479 --> 01:37:12.439 away time. 1709 01:37:14.319 --> 01:37:18.119 Now that the day you brought it back home. Yeah yeah, 1710 01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:20.920 you ever drive out there, just spend the day out there, 1711 01:37:21.159 --> 01:37:23.560 time out day sometimes and then just go home yourself, 1712 01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:24.479 like two of her. 1713 01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:28.520 Volleyball games, track and field games. 1714 01:37:28.680 --> 01:37:32.760 Okay, yeah, all right, So there'd been no reason for 1715 01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:37.760 your vehicle to be read and plate reader getting off 1716 01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:38.399 in any other. 1717 01:37:38.279 --> 01:37:43.840 Exits besides rout fifty eight. That's Saturday. Pretty sure. Yeah, 1718 01:37:43.880 --> 01:37:48.000 I'm pretty sure that Sunday. 1719 01:37:49.159 --> 01:37:55.239 Or that Sunday. I drove her back that Sunday morning 1720 01:37:55.359 --> 01:38:00.199 early time. She had a whole bunch of stuff to 1721 01:38:00.239 --> 01:38:04.720 do that day. I would say it was morning morning time, 1722 01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:09.840 about what time, oh. 1723 01:38:09.239 --> 01:38:12.279 Seven ish maybe? And so when you took her back 1724 01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:18.720 six thirty six thirty six thirty seven, Yeah, so she 1725 01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:19.920 went back that Sunday. 1726 01:38:20.079 --> 01:38:24.560 Yeah, okay, So around six thirty seven o'clock was when 1727 01:38:24.560 --> 01:38:25.960 you left or when you got there? 1728 01:38:28.640 --> 01:38:35.560 When I got to Oberlin, you say, probably when I 1729 01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:36.159 got there. 1730 01:38:37.159 --> 01:38:40.359 Yeah, so you got yeah, six day seven. Yeah, all right. 1731 01:38:40.399 --> 01:38:43.600 So at that time, did you guys get off at 1732 01:38:43.640 --> 01:38:47.520 the exit to get breakfast or do anything? 1733 01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:51.439 I don't think so, okay, now, no, we would have. 1734 01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:55.199 Gone back, So you didn't. You never once got off 1735 01:38:55.239 --> 01:38:58.680 the exit onto the rain Road that Friday or that 1736 01:38:58.800 --> 01:38:59.960 Saturday or scene day. 1737 01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:03.319 I'm just trying to figure out any exit Loraine County 1738 01:39:03.680 --> 01:39:05.199 besides the fifty eight exit. 1739 01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:09.479 No, so you never got off any other exit. 1740 01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:14.960 No, you never drove on like Lorraine Road or four 1741 01:39:15.039 --> 01:39:20.359 eighty or rout ten coming back. No, So you went 1742 01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:24.199 you went directly from the Turnpike, got off at fifty eight, 1743 01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:26.399 got back on fifty eight. 1744 01:39:26.920 --> 01:39:29.960 All four times. Yeah, so there would. 1745 01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:33.279 Be any any reason whatsoever that your vehicle would have 1746 01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:36.239 been No, and when you were with her, you didn't 1747 01:39:36.279 -->

01:39:39.600 drive somewhere to go get something to eat or anything 1748 01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:40.000 like that. 1749 01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:47.520 No, okay, all right, so it'd be safe to say, 1750 01:39:47.560 --> 01:39:52.159 if your vehicle is spotted in that area, then you're 1751 01:39:52.159 --> 01:39:57.720 in trouble. Correct. I don't know, I don't know. I 1752 01:39:57.760 --> 01:40:01.760 don't know. If I don't have any reason. 1753 01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:04.720 If your vehicle was spotted in the area where Shelley 1754 01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:07.880 was found, and you can't, you don't have. 1755 01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:13.720 Any reason whatsoever, way it would be that way. Correct, correct, correct, 1756 01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:15.520 all right. So that's what I'm. 1757 01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:20.000 Saying, Like that, when we go through the hours and 1758 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:21.600 hours of videotapes. 1759 01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:25.520 That we have to and yeah, your vehicle shows up, 1760 01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:27.720 Yeah you're in trouble. 1761 01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:33.840 Well I'm correct, I mean fair enough, right, I mean, 1762 01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:34.560 that's a fair. 1763 01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:39.000 Question, right, Yeah, And like I said, that's yeah, you know. 1764 01:40:41.119 --> 01:40:41.880 That's what you know. 1765 01:40:42.119 --> 01:40:45.199 That's well, we're gonna do all that, you know what 1766 01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:48.560 I mean. I know that's why like I said, and 1767 01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:52.920 me and the type of McLoughlin say is that you 1768 01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:55.560 know this was always because you know, the more hours 1769 01:40:55.600 --> 01:40:59.479 and hours of antime manpower we put into this, the 1770 01:40:59.520 --> 01:41:03.720 harder gets for for us to to you know, wanted 1771 01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:06.760 to help people out or you know, or not help 1772 01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:11.000 people out, for us to tell the prosecutor, Hey, looks, 1773 01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:15.279 you know, could you know, give her give her some 1774 01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:17.520 you know, some consideration here. 1775 01:41:17.560 --> 01:41:20.319 I mean, she's had to go through all that. Believe you. 1776 01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:22.199 I know that you know. 1777 01:41:23.640 --> 01:41:28.039 So, but h and again, like I said, you know, 1778 01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:30.479 the evidence is going to speak for itself. I know, 1779 01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:33.880 and we just wanted to give you an opportunity to 1780 01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:35.560 speak in that way. 1781 01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:38.880 Well in that way, like I said, but I know, 1782 01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:44.000 I'm suspect number one. I know I am. How do 1783 01:41:44.039 --> 01:41:51.479 you think Shelley Shelley passed away? I don't know. 1784 01:41:52.159 --> 01:41:55.560 I feel she was picked up and I've always said 1785 01:41:56.479 --> 01:42:00.760

I don't think it was Tommy, could will be Tommy? 1786 01:42:02.359 --> 01:42:05.039 Or she was picked up by a stranger, someone she 1787 01:42:05.199 --> 01:42:11.319 just met, or someone she was communicating with online. 1788 01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:14.199 And then what do you think happened? What do you 1789 01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:17.560 think they did to her? I don't. 1790 01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:20.239 When I told the captain it was too soon to 1791 01:42:20.279 --> 01:42:22.880 even think about it, and I don't want to think 1792 01:42:22.920 --> 01:42:27.039 about it. But I don't think she was shot, right, 1793 01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:31.760 there's no gunshot. He would have said that, right. 1794 01:42:33.159 --> 01:42:35.359 Well, I don't know if he would have told you 1795 01:42:35.399 --> 01:42:41.079 any details. If not, she passed, you know, yeah, think again. 1796 01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:46.960 So well, I just know what I can tell you. 1797 01:42:47.039 --> 01:42:48.840 All I can tell you is that we know for 1798 01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:55.079 sure that what happened to her Ah was done by 1799 01:42:55.600 --> 01:43:02.359 someone who wasn't thinking clearly, you know, who wasn't who 1800 01:43:02.439 --> 01:43:03.159 wasn't himself? 1801 01:43:03.439 --> 01:43:09.279 You know what I mean? Because because it just and 1802 01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:11.560 you and like I said, we discussed this before. I 1803 01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:12.119 can tell you. 1804 01:43:12.880 --> 01:43:15.399 I can tell you that it wasn't a stranger. I 1805 01:43:15.399 --> 01:43:18.279 can tell you it wasn't a stranger. It just appears 1806 01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:19.279 that somebody panicked. 1807 01:43:19.960 --> 01:43:24.119 And the fact that you know, the corner will. 1808 01:43:23.920 --> 01:43:30.039 Probably come out here soon with the ruling pending toxicology, 1809 01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:32.800 we're hoping to cause of death. 1810 01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:34.960 Well, I think I think he. I think he does. 1811 01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:39.680 Yeah, like I said, I can't share that with you 1812 01:43:41.039 --> 01:43:43.439 just because we have to wait for confirmation. 1813 01:43:44.439 --> 01:43:46.359 But like I said, I was hoping you could shed 1814 01:43:46.399 --> 01:43:57.319 some light, you know, for us. That's well, I said 1815 01:43:57.880 --> 01:44:00.920 in you know, my experience is that. 1816 01:44:04.319 --> 01:44:09.079 The polygraph, the polygraph is is a pretty much one 1817 01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:13.279 hundred percent accurate. It's it's who operates it, you know, 1818 01:44:13.359 --> 01:44:17.560 it's it's the person that's getting you know, examined. 1819 01:44:18.039 --> 01:44:20.439 You know that they cause when what it is is it. 1820 01:44:20.439 --> 01:44:23.439 Measures stress, you know what I mean. Sure, it doesn't 1821 01:44:23.439 --> 01:44:28.760 say hey she's lying. It says, okay, this is causing stress, 1822 01:44:29.000 --> 01:44:32.359 you know what I mean. And so what happens is 1823 01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:36.520 people people can tell you, you know, they can look 1824 01:44:36.520 --> 01:44:38.600 at you and say no, no, no. 1825 01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:40.199 No, no no, but didn't measure I know, but their 1826 01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:44.439 body is saying. Their body is saying, oh crap. Yes, 1827 01:44:44.920 --> 01:44:49.239 you know, they know, they know, and you know so, 1828 01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:50.760 and and what it also does. 1829 01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:54.720 As much as it, you know, helps detect whether not 1830 01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:57.159 someone's being truthful or lying. 1831 01:44:57.039 --> 01:44:59.560 About something, it also helps us to detect if someone's 1832 01:44:59.600 --> 01:45:04.880 being truth Yeah, you know sure. And and I you know, 1833 01:45:04.920 --> 01:45:06.920 I know a lot of people say, well, I'm nervous, 1834 01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:12.439 and well they know that they they anxiety. 1835 01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:16.119 Well, if nervous counted, no one would ever pass. Yeah, 1836 01:45:17.359 --> 01:45:20.600 everybody's nervous when they take a polegraph, right, everyone. 1837 01:45:20.840 --> 01:45:25.439 But these guys they know that and they they they 1838 01:45:25.920 --> 01:45:28.640 they norm you what's called norman right when they say, well, okay, 1839 01:45:29.039 --> 01:45:30.199 her stress levels here. 1840 01:45:30.439 --> 01:45:34.319 You know, we know she's you know, she's nervous at 1841 01:45:34.319 --> 01:45:34.840 this level. 1842 01:45:35.239 --> 01:45:40.760 But this whole meeting right here is nerve wracking. Sure, sure, 1843 01:45:41.039 --> 01:45:43.000 you know what can you. 1844 01:45:42.439 --> 01:45:42.920 Can you do? 1845 01:45:43.159 --> 01:45:47.239 I understand, I mean, you know, being in your situation, 1846 01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:50.000 I can understand you not knowing what the future is 1847 01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:50.520 going to hold. 1848 01:45:50.800 --> 01:45:52.279 You know, it's nerve wracking. 1849 01:45:54.359 --> 01:45:56.640 It's one great thing that you can't touch upon. And 1850 01:45:56.640 --> 01:45:58.119 I don't know if you heard him when he said that, 1851 01:45:58.199 --> 01:46:00.680 is that a lot of people call it the eye detector, 1852 01:46:00.920 --> 01:46:06.720 and it's also known as the truth the truth detector. Yeah, 1853 01:46:07.199 --> 01:46:11.039 you know, I myself, I'm an examiner, but I can't 1854 01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:15.359 polygraph anybody that's I'm close to the case too, Okay, 1855 01:46:17.479 --> 01:46:20.640 I believe in it. Obviously, no one can force you 1856 01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:24.279 to take a polygraph. It has to be completely voluntary. 1857 01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:28.680 And just like you said, I feel like I'm being 1858 01:46:28.720 --> 01:46:29.680 bombarded right now. 1859 01:46:30.680 --> 01:46:35.560 No, I think with the party words

right, and the 1860 01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:41.560 parting words would be two give it some thought at 1861 01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:48.000 least the other a legitimate effort of giving it some thought. 1862 01:46:49.680 --> 01:46:54.079 Because what happens is during a polygraph is that you 1863 01:46:54.439 --> 01:47:00.520 meet with the examiner and you go over stuff, and 1864 01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:03.680 he gets you to a point where you're comfortable with 1865 01:47:03.800 --> 01:47:06.119 him and that no one's going to be there to 1866 01:47:06.159 --> 01:47:09.079 pull the wool over your eyes and get your relaxed 1867 01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:12.439 enough to talk about everything that's going on in your 1868 01:47:12.479 --> 01:47:15.439 life and talk about everything that happened in regards to 1869 01:47:15.439 --> 01:47:20.640 to Shelley and talk about the case. And then to 1870 01:47:20.720 --> 01:47:24.399 take the polygraph and go over questions that you've already 1871 01:47:24.439 --> 01:47:26.479 gone over and that you know. The great thing about 1872 01:47:26.479 --> 01:47:28.880 a polygraph test is that you know the questions and 1873 01:47:29.039 --> 01:47:32.560 know your answers before you can take the test. It's 1874 01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:35.319 a great test. Think about it, and that's all we 1875 01:47:35.359 --> 01:47:37.880 can ask you. And then I would ask that you 1876 01:47:38.640 --> 01:47:40.000 speak with somebody about it. 1877 01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:43.520 Talk to an attorney about it, Like you said, when 1878 01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:45.279 I can address a gap in a suit and say, 1879 01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:50.399 here's your journey, you trust, which I don't trust anyone 1880 01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:52.359 I don't know to trust. 1881 01:47:52.720 --> 01:47:56.880 Well was an attorney, and he was well liked by 1882 01:47:56.920 --> 01:48:01.239 a lot of people. I should be surprised how many 1883 01:48:01.279 --> 01:48:04.199 people I have talked to ye that know your husband 1884 01:48:04.840 --> 01:48:06.439 and that spoke highly of them. 1885 01:48:06.600 --> 01:48:07.680 Yeah, oh, I know. 1886 01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:11.800 There's a lot of criminal defense attorneys that I like, 1887 01:48:12.279 --> 01:48:14.079 you know, and I know they're just doing their job. 1888 01:48:14.239 --> 01:48:16.439 Just like you said, we have to do our job, 1889 01:48:16.760 --> 01:48:18.720 you know, And I know they're just doing their job. 1890 01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:26.000 But there's others that are you know, there's there's you know, 1891 01:48:26.279 --> 01:48:28.239 but yeah, you need to find somebody you can trust. 1892 01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:32.960 And again, like I said, my hope is that you know, 1893 01:48:33.039 --> 01:48:36.000 before we left here, that we could come to conclusion, 1894 01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:39.039 you know, and I understand my work's cut out for me, 1895 01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:41.319 and that's what I'm

doing and that's what I'm gonna do. 1896 01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:46.119 But be sure this I mean, once you walk out 1897 01:48:46.159 --> 01:48:50.520 this door, you know, everything's off the table, you know 1898 01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:53.000 what I mean, what's on the table right now? Well, 1899 01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:55.600 like I told you before, I mean, we would we 1900 01:48:55.640 --> 01:48:59.239 would advocate. Well what we would do is we would 1901 01:48:59.239 --> 01:48:59.760 advocate with. 1902 01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:03.039 The prosutter and explaining what happened, you know what I mean, 1903 01:49:03.640 --> 01:49:06.600 to show that hey, look, this is the life she 1904 01:49:06.680 --> 01:49:09.319 had to she had to go through. This was the 1905 01:49:09.359 --> 01:49:13.439 glue that held that family together, you know. But then 1906 01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:16.760 that glue, that glue can't hold on forever, you know 1907 01:49:16.800 --> 01:49:21.359 what I mean, every once in a while and it's 1908 01:49:21.399 --> 01:49:25.760 gonna break. You can't put pressure on somebody and constantly 1909 01:49:25.800 --> 01:49:28.640 every day, every day it's a battle every day putting 1910 01:49:28.640 --> 01:49:32.479 pressure on somebody to come through and perform and support. 1911 01:49:32.239 --> 01:49:35.199 And be that glue to hold everyone together. You can't 1912 01:49:35.239 --> 01:49:39.159 do that without There's nothing that's gonna that's gonna stay. 1913 01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:43.319 It's gonna come upon and whether or not, it comes 1914 01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:46.239 right back, you know, and it becomes firm. 1915 01:49:46.520 --> 01:49:49.000 You yourself said this, and I know this pains you 1916 01:49:49.039 --> 01:49:53.479 to say that that right now, the good of what 1917 01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:54.319 happened here. 1918 01:49:55.760 --> 01:50:00.520 Is that then it is better off. You said that, 1919 01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:05.520 right well, you said that when we get here, you 1920 01:50:05.560 --> 01:50:06.960 know this is true, and. 1921 01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:09.760 We're trying to make the positive come out of this. 1922 01:50:11.680 --> 01:50:15.399 And I believe that if there's something that has to 1923 01:50:15.439 --> 01:50:19.319 be positive, is that as hard as it is to 1924 01:50:19.359 --> 01:50:20.279 say it. 1925 01:50:21.079 --> 01:50:23.600 But like I said, and I'm also but if there's 1926 01:50:23.600 --> 01:50:25.239 ever an opportunity. 1927 01:50:24.640 --> 01:50:27.439 Ben is he okay here? 1928 01:50:27.439 --> 01:50:30.560 Where is he that you guys were before? 1929 01:50:31.039 --> 01:50:31.840 He is still here? 1930 01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:33.560 Yeah, if he needs. 1931 01:50:33.319 --> 01:50:36.199 Anything, I'm not gonna lie to you. That's not that's 1932 01:50:36.199 --> 01:50:37.520 one hundred percent honestly got. 1933 01:50:38.119 --> 01:50:40.760 Because he wants to go to that play date. Oh 1934 01:50:40.800 --> 01:50:44.279 and Hannah is going to the airport for her interns. 1935 01:50:44.720 --> 01:50:45.800 Yeah, I know she went over to. 1936 01:50:48.439 --> 01:50:50.600 Hopefully she's gone already. 1937 01:50:50.680 --> 01:50:54.119 Yeah, she left, okay right away. But like I said, 1938 01:50:54.159 --> 01:50:58.520 I mean, I said, walk out here today, we we 1939 01:50:58.520 --> 01:51:03.560 we can't do anything in your corner. Do you understand, yes, 1940 01:51:04.520 --> 01:51:06.039 I mean, I just don't understand. 1941 01:51:06.199 --> 01:51:09.319 I just want you to know that I don't want 1942 01:51:09.359 --> 01:51:12.319 you to you know, now, if you, like I said, 1943 01:51:12.359 --> 01:51:15.840 if if you walk out of here today and you know, 1944 01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:18.039 you talk to an attorney where you talk to somebody 1945 01:51:18.039 --> 01:51:21.479 and you say, they say, well, you know, Janet, They're 1946 01:51:21.560 --> 01:51:23.760 they're gonna you know, this is gonna happen. 1947 01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:27.039 The truth will come out. This is what we should do. 1948 01:51:27.159 --> 01:51:29.439 I mean, I'm I'm olier, you know what I mean. 1949 01:51:30.720 --> 01:51:35.199 But like I said, and you know, before before all 1950 01:51:35.239 --> 01:51:39.439 that happens, if this were like I said, we may 1951 01:51:40.359 --> 01:51:43.600 we come to conclusion today the truth comes out, we 1952 01:51:43.640 --> 01:51:46.560 get you know, we find out all the facts, and 1953 01:51:47.479 --> 01:51:50.560 we present that to the for the prosecutor, you know, 1954 01:51:51.439 --> 01:51:54.520 and like I said, this would this would probably you know, 1955 01:51:54.640 --> 01:52:01.279 being more detective Maclachlin's court because we're in their city. 1956 01:52:01.399 --> 01:52:03.920 You know, we're just I'm this country boy out of 1957 01:52:03.920 --> 01:52:06.640 the city here city. I'm just kid. But but you 1958 01:52:06.640 --> 01:52:07.119 know what I mean. 1959 01:52:07.640 --> 01:52:10.000 But I know from from my experience, and he like 1960 01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:12.039 my prosecutors if. 1961 01:52:11.920 --> 01:52:15.119 I said, hey, look at this this lady. I mean, 1962 01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:20.439 she's forty four years old, forty five, she's forty four 1963 01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:24.239 years old, and she's you know, she's. 1964 01:52:24.079 --> 01:52:29.479 Great, she's great, and this happened. This happened, you know, 1965 01:52:30.399 --> 01:52:35.840 and we know it wasn't. She's not this cold, calculating person. 1966 01:52:36.600 --> 01:52:40.920 She's a caring, warm, loving person and made a mistake. 1967 01:52:41.319 --> 01:52:46.520 Yeah, that's that's what I think. I know, that's what 1968 01:52:46.680 --> 01:52:49.479 I think hampened here. I know you feel that way. 1969 01:52:49.760 --> 01:52:53.479 You know, nobody likes to be lying to either. You know, 1970 01:52:53.760 -->

01:52:55.520 nobody likes to be like to them. Just like these 1971 01:52:55.600 --> 01:52:58.960 lessons that you taught your kids growing up, and you'll 1972 01:52:59.000 --> 01:53:02.800 be teaching Bennett these lessons again, is that honesty is 1973 01:53:02.800 --> 01:53:07.760 always the best policy. Honesty is always the best policy, 1974 01:53:07.920 --> 01:53:11.199 and the lesson. Another lesson that you'll be teaching Bennett 1975 01:53:12.119 --> 01:53:15.359 is that when you lie, you have to lie again, 1976 01:53:16.119 --> 01:53:18.760 and then you have problems keeping track of the lies 1977 01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:23.640 that you told, and that eventually, the old proverbial saying 1978 01:53:23.720 --> 01:53:25.279 is that it comes around and it bites you in 1979 01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:25.800 the ass. 1980 01:53:26.079 --> 01:53:29.560 And much like we've. 1981 01:53:29.399 --> 01:53:32.640 Been trying to stress to you, if this is the case. 1982 01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:36.439 If this is the case, is that when the evidence 1983 01:53:36.479 --> 01:53:39.760 comes back, nobody likes to be lying. 1984 01:53:39.520 --> 01:53:46.960 To Yeah, I understand, ready to hear the truth. 1985 01:53:47.239 --> 01:53:52.319 You too are ready to hear it, and I know 1986 01:53:52.399 --> 01:53:58.920 you will find it out. That's say, I know. 1987 01:54:03.680 --> 01:54:05.000 You want to give me a second, I'm gonna go 1988 01:54:05.039 --> 01:54:07.039 find out where then it's at. 1989 01:54:10.800 --> 01:54:28.159 Kayak h yah. 1990 01:54:30.159 --> 01:54:35.000 Yeah, Okay, they're gonna bring a social worker where you 1991 01:54:35.079 --> 01:54:40.039 talk to you? Oh okay, okay, great, So he's still here. 1992 01:54:41.479 --> 01:54:46.239 He's playing you? Oh good, what's it saying? Said? One 1993 01:54:46.279 --> 01:54:48.600 day of cold, three hundred and sixty four days of fun. 1994 01:54:49.199 --> 01:54:50.279 I'll take my chances. 1995 01:54:53.079 --> 01:54:55.000 So do you think they're done searching right now? 1996 01:54:55.279 --> 01:54:57.920 No, they're still there and you can't go back because 1997 01:54:57.960 --> 01:55:00.479 it's still se right now. 1998 01:55:02.640 --> 01:55:06.600 But I can go back soon, so today I can. 1999 01:55:06.800 --> 01:55:07.159 Yeah. 2000 01:55:07.239 --> 01:55:09.800 Yeah, yeah, No, No, they're not. I mean we're not 2001 01:55:09.880 --> 01:55:11.079 boarding up your house or anything. 2002 01:55:11.680 --> 01:55:15.520 So do you feel then that I should get an attorney? 2003 01:55:15.560 --> 01:55:19.319 At this point, I can't offer you legal advice. Yeah, 2004 01:55:20.119 --> 01:55:23.399 but I always tell people if you think you need attorney, 2005 01:55:23.439 --> 01:55:30.119 get an attorney. Yeah. I guess I'm not underhand. I'm 2006 01:55:30.159 --> 01:55:34.000 not going to backdoor you. I'm not gonna, you know, 2007 01:55:34.159 --> 01:55:35.720 tell y'all, no, No, you don't need it, you know 2008 01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:41.479 what I mean. I'm telling you that if if you've 2009 01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:43.800 done something wrong, and I always tell people that, if 2010 01:55:43.840 --> 01:55:46.159 you've done something wrong and you feel like the attorney, 2011 01:55:46.239 --> 01:55:46.600 I just. 2012 01:55:46.479 --> 01:55:49.880 Feel that an attorney, there's enough that you say you've gotten. 2013 01:55:51.359 --> 01:55:53.800 You know that, you say that sheet you've gotten, you've 2014 01:55:53.800 --> 01:55:59.920 gotten her purse and everything out there in the whole way, 2015 01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:03.319 looks you haven't gotten anything to anyone else. So I'm 2016 01:56:03.359 --> 01:56:06.359 feeling like maybe I should get an attorney. 2017 01:56:07.159 --> 01:56:13.239 Well, and like I said, that's you know, an attorney 2018 01:56:13.319 --> 01:56:15.880 is you know, gonna I'm gonna try to help you 2019 01:56:15.920 --> 01:56:19.319 get the best possible deal or best you know. 2020 01:56:20.239 --> 01:56:24.760 So, yeah, I would say, if that's what. 2021 01:56:24.840 --> 01:56:27.720 You feel, Like I said, again, I can't Unfortunately, I 2022 01:56:27.760 --> 01:56:29.880 can't say, well, here's an attorney. I can you know, 2023 01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:32.439 I can't give you legal advice. I can't say, well 2024 01:56:32.680 --> 01:56:35.000 you need attorney for this or that. 2025 01:56:35.119 --> 01:56:36.159 All I can tell you is. 2026 01:56:38.520 --> 01:56:42.720 That, yeah, and I'm not gonna, like I said, I'm 2027 01:56:42.720 --> 01:56:47.560 not gonna tell you, you know, no, don't get an attorney. 2028 01:56:48.159 --> 01:56:53.800 You know, I don't do that. Yeah, I've been I've 2029 01:56:53.800 --> 01:56:55.439 been in this game long enough to know that. 2030 01:56:56.199 --> 01:56:59.199 You know, just because someone gets an attorney doesn't mean 2031 01:56:59.720 --> 01:57:01.800 that they're not gonna be truthful. 2032 01:57:02.279 --> 01:57:04.520 You know, they're gonna They're gonna, you know. 2033 01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:07.000 Talk to attorney, and the attorney might say, well, you 2034 01:57:07.039 --> 01:57:09.000 know what, Janet, let's get ahead of this. 2035 01:57:09.119 --> 01:57:12.720 Let's yeah, you know, we know it's coming. You know, 2036 01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:16.159 we know the truth's gonna come out, at least most 2037 01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:19.039 of it. Let's you know, let's get ahead of it 2038 01:57:19.079 --> 01:57:20.920 and we'll deal with it. 2039 01:57:21.359 --> 01:57:23.760 You know, there's a big difference between spending your whole 2040 01:57:23.880 --> 01:57:26.920 the rest of your life in prison or spending. 2041 01:57:26.600 --> 01:57:28.520 A few years in prison, you know what I mean 2042 01:57:28.920 --> 01:57:31.760 for a crime and passion. For instance, I'll tell you 2043 01:57:32.920 --> 01:57:35.680 we had a we had a kid. We had a 2044 01:57:35.760 -->

01:57:39.399 kid that stabbed a guy sixty four times and meet 2045 01:57:39.439 --> 01:57:41.720 him in the head with a pickle jar, with a 2046 01:57:41.720 --> 01:57:46.079 lot of pickle jar. Yeah. 2047 01:57:46.119 --> 01:57:52.359 He had ninety days in jail because it was allegedly 2048 01:57:52.439 --> 01:57:55.119 he was a victim of abuse. Yeah, and he got 2049 01:57:55.159 --> 01:57:59.319 fed up and he turned around, and you know, the 2050 01:57:59.439 --> 01:58:02.319 judge so wow, you know, the judge saw that this 2051 01:58:02.520 --> 01:58:09.079 wasn't a precalculated you know what I mean. So when 2052 01:58:09.079 --> 01:58:11.399 I tell you Hey, look, you know what's on the table. 2053 01:58:12.039 --> 01:58:15.319 You know it's I don't make promises. 2054 01:58:15.359 --> 01:58:18.039 I don't make you know because again we're in another county, 2055 01:58:18.199 --> 01:58:20.199 so I can't say, well, Kay of counties, don't give 2056 01:58:20.199 --> 01:58:22.279 you ninety days, you know, because of what you had 2057 01:58:22.279 --> 01:58:25.640 to go through. You know, I can't promise you then, but. 2058 01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:29.039 I can tell you this, And my experience is that 2059 01:58:29.079 --> 01:58:32.560 there's far greater penalty and far greater charges when someone 2060 01:58:32.800 --> 01:58:37.439 covers up and doesn't cooperate then as opposed to remorse. 2061 01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:39.439 You know, and you know that and you know. 2062 01:58:39.399 --> 01:58:40.239 That was your kids. 2063 01:58:40.319 --> 01:58:42.840 You know, if you if your kids did something wrong 2064 01:58:42.880 --> 01:58:45.720 and they covered it up and lie to you, it 2065 01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:49.159 makes you a lot more angrier than if they say, Mom, 2066 01:58:50.159 --> 01:58:53.720 I broke the window, you know what I mean. So 2067 01:58:53.920 --> 01:58:57.880 that's and you know, let your attorney know that too, like, hey, look, 2068 01:58:59.239 --> 01:59:01.199 this is what they have. They won't tell me everything, 2069 01:59:01.840 --> 01:59:04.399 but you know that that news is getting tighter. 2070 01:59:04.960 --> 01:59:10.039 You know it's getting tighter, and you know and plus listen, 2071 01:59:10.079 --> 01:59:16.119 you don't Yeah, I can tell that you have a conscience, 2072 01:59:16.479 --> 01:59:19.800 you know what I mean, Like, you know what's. 2073 01:59:19.680 --> 01:59:23.279 Right, You're caring and feeling person, you know, and for 2074 01:59:23.359 --> 01:59:28.119 you to carry around something. It will destroy your life, absolutely, 2075 01:59:28.159 --> 01:59:31.199 it really will. It will destroy your life. Sure, you 2076 01:59:31.239 --> 01:59:34.399 know it will be that one waking moment that you 2077 01:59:34.439 --> 01:59:35.840 won't think about, you. 2078 01:59:35.800 --> 01:59:41.000 Know, right, tough to know that she's not gonna be there, you. 2079 01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:51.560 Know, then it is a happy kill. He would like 2080 01:59:51.600 --> 01:59:56.720 to speak with you in the room, counselor talk with her, 2081 01:59:57.079 --> 01:59:59.760 talk with mom, oh, grandma, I mean and h. 2082 02:00:01.279 --> 02:00:01.920 It were. 2083 02:00:06.640 --> 02:00:07.159 Particular. 2084 02:00:12.239 --> 02:00:16.279 Janet Tyberski was released, but investigators continued building their case. 2085 02:00:16.800 --> 02:00:20.520 Evidence suggested Janet argued with Rochelle, possibly over custody of 2086 02:00:20.560 --> 02:00:23.560 Rochelle's young son, and then tried to suffocate Rochelle while 2087 02:00:23.600 --> 02:00:27.039 she slept. While Rochelle fought back, Janet smashed her head 2088 02:00:27.039 --> 02:00:30.760 against the floor, killing her. Janet kept Rochelle's body at 2089 02:00:30.760 --> 02:00:33.880 home before enlisting the help of her other daughter, nineteen 2090 02:00:33.960 --> 02:00:36.640 year old college athlete Hannah, to help her move it. 2091 02:00:37.680 --> 02:00:40.760 Traces of blood on Janet's vehicle and surveillance footage of 2092 02:00:40.800 --> 02:00:43.760 her driving with Hannah to the dump site proved conclusive. 2093 02:00:44.319 --> 02:00:47.840 On May fifth, twenty fifteen, Janet Tyberski was arrested at 2094 02:00:47.840 --> 02:00:51.199 her home and charged with her daughter's murder. She later 2095 02:00:51.279 --> 02:00:55.319 pleaded guilty to murder, felonious assault, tampering with evidence, and 2096 02:00:55.439 --> 02:00:58.439 abuse of a corpse. She was sentenced to a minimum 2097 02:00:58.520 --> 02:01:03.119 of nineteen years in prison. Hannah Taibirski pleaded guilty to 2098 02:01:03.159 --> 02:01:06.039 gross abuse of a corpse for helping move Rochelle's body, 2099 02:01:06.159 --> 02:01:07.279 and was given probation