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this at the cinema. speaker-0: How how awkward would it be though if if or ironic if she turned around and went, Can you stop doing that with your nails? You're like speaker-1: Okay. speaker-2: So anyway, should we should we talk prime time? Yes. speaker-0: It's it's about time we talk pride time. speaker-2: It is time. It's time for prime. speaker-1: Tum. speaker-2: go on, Drew. Tell us Mm. 'Cause you were you looking forward to it as much as us? speaker-0: I yeah, I was massively looking forward to it 'cause we were talking about it for ages going, when's it coming to our cinema? When's it coming to our cinema? Yeah, Maria Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: But I do I'm really starting to now see what a lot of the feedback was and I agree that it speaker-2: It has the feedback. I've tried to ignore it. speaker-0: Well I was gonna they're just saying the story, it it's a bit there's an emptiness to it. It it's it doesn't have it it's we it's weird to say this, but it feels like a soulless film. It's got amazing performances, it's got amazing cinematography, it's got fascinating characters, but like we even said in our messages to each other, Kev, that I don't think Chris Hansen's character was the most interesting. Like Andy's character was amazing. the the female producer, like her story, I was like, what's going on with her? Like what the pressure she has, what's going on behind the scenes? Is she gonna portray pri the this like catch a predator and go with a different team? Or was she doing that on purpose to try and, you know? But here's an eerie coincidence, though, right? There's an actor called Matthew Mayer who plays Xavier. And He is one he's the one that basically lures the pedophiles to the locations where actors then kind of act out the scene before Chris Hansen comes along. but he plays an actual pedophile in a film called Gone Baby Gone. speaker-1: Você? speaker-2: okay. speaker-0: Which is amazing. obviously that's not amazing, but I think the link that's terrible. The link is is speaker-2: Best pedos ever. speaker-0: The link is quite interesting 'cause he plays a very small role in that because he just gets shot in the head pretty much by Casey Affleck's character. Spoiler alert. whereas in this one he's got a lot more screen time. speaker-2: Yeah, I thought it really good. the the brief the brief premise, I I guess, just in case people I mean, I'm sure no one's listening to this if they haven't seen it, otherwise, why are you listening to this? Yeah, this speaker-0: Should be spoiler all over this mofo. speaker-2: Yeah. But it it it's it's about two thousand and six and I I like the fact the aesthetic was two thousand and six, you know, a bit grainy, not not not shoop super sharp. So aesthetically I enjoyed the visuals. yeah. Even even though the most You go ins I know what the subject matter is, but you know when you get the warnings at the beginning when it comes up as eighteen and there's violence, nudity, whatever, strong language, and then it comes up strong child abuse and we're like, that really just puts you off like can you sit in there. speaker-0: This is also why it's not a film you'd return to. It's not got much rewatchability. Well speaker-2: It's it's a film about the the T V series To Catch a Predator by host Chris Hansen in America. It was one of the first earlier of reality TV shows because it was like like like in the film says that it's when Lost is out of these massive shows. But I'm watching an a a documentary on Matt Perry, Matthew Perry Friends speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. speaker-2: at the moment on Netflix, it's brand new and Obviously his massive success and friends in ninety four to two thousand four, roughly. And he had a string of failed shows after that. And that wake even they even mention it in the film primetime, going, everyone's finished with friends and finished with something else. Seinfeld. Seinfeld, yeah, yeah. And that's when loads of Matt Perry was talented and couldn't get a show off the ground. Every every pilot he had didn't cut get a second scene. speaker-0: Studio forty two or something that only had two seasons or something. Yeah. speaker-2: One one season. One season. Nothing got r green lit for a second series. And that showed that the fatigue at the time that people had such prime shows as friends that it could not be competing with. So the reality stuff is always evergreen. Yeah. Because there's always a new story and new people. So they they they pushed that and that's why it became so popular and that's why it's called prime time because they managed to even the even the executive for the T V show the T V station says, I don't like your program, but for some reason other people do. Yeah. So it's getting good ratings. We're gonna put it on prime time at nine PM. So speaker-0: It it felt like a dark comedy, didn't it? 'Cause that at one point in the cinema, right, we we were laughing at moments and somebody in the darkness went, You shouldn't be laughing at this subject matter. And it was like, whoa, like dude, it's not like I was like, dude, are we watching the same show? I I I I get I get that the subject matter is really dark and it's obscene, but there is so much humor in this that and it's even aimed at humor. Like there's so many moments like speaker-2: Well yeah, look me me me and Kate literally cracked up. You could you could tell that 'cause 'cause they're out of blue, aren't they? Kate like that spit and spitting scene you mentioned. It was an intense moment prior to that. And straight after speaker-1: No. Spitting. What? What? You know when he's in the in the bathroom, I don't know if he's like like with mouthwash or something and he does that that's he does that spit in the sink, but it's like so dramatic. speaker-2: Yeah yeah yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. He does some weird things man, like the bit where he turns to and goes, What? Ooh? You think got speaker-2: But that may that speaker-0: a massive laugh, but

we're all like, What the fuck is going on? That guy is nuts. speaker-2: I'm curious to see what an American feels about this because w we've never really watched that programme. I I'm aware of it. It wasn't on in UK home, so I don't know how accurate that character is. I was saying to Kate that that Chris Hansen watched the film, he went to the premiere. yeah. I don't think it shows him in a good light. Yeah. speaker-0: I don't think he was a fan of that. speaker-2: He's got a good heart in the sense that I mean, he's an adulterer, he's a bit weird, but he wants to he genuinely thinks he's doing like not God's work, but he's doing a good thing. It's not just T V. He's doing good things. So Yeah. speaker-0: But it's entrapment though, I was chatting to someone about this today, it's entrapment because speaker-2: Legally they've got nothing to stand on, surely. speaker-0: 'Cause that's what I was gonna say. I I get that all of these people shouldn't be on the streets or meeting little kids, of course, but the idea that they're being lured to a location that's been paid for, then they've got actors pretending like there are so many things that would not stand in a in a kind of court or any kind of given scenario. speaker-2: And again it's America and back in two thousand and six and the last bit was like in Texas. It's like Yeah, don't really go by the law over there. speaker-0: But also the fact that isn't isn't it Ted from Bill and Ted that plays the creepy speaker-2: Yeah, I said that to Kate and she went, Bill and Ben speaker-1: It was a flower pot then. speaker-0: Yeah, the flower pot man. No, but it's it's it's it's Ted, I'm pretty sure, that is playing the Senator or something. Is it Bill? speaker-2: Bill, Ted's counter Reeves. speaker-0: man, I didn't realize Ted was gone raining. speaker-2: The Theodore Logan. speaker-0: 'Cause I was like, I recognize that face, man, but to be fair, he looked they made him look really quite quite creepy, like for the character. It was speaker-2: Good. speaker-0: great. It was great. Just a quick message to thank you all for listening to our show, whether it's through Spotify, Apple, or YouTube. If you are enjoying, why not follow? Click to subscribe and leave a five star review. Also, a reminder to follow us on Instagram and TikTok. For fun clips from the show. We love and appreciate your support and thanks for sharing us with friends. This helps us to grow, improve and continue creating. Now, back to the conversation. speaker-2: Kate, what was your your general kind of feeling? 'Cause we it ended and we were both a little bit Yeah speaker-1: I was going in there really excited and I thought it's Robert Pattinson, it's obviously it's a heavy subject matter, so there's gonna be an element of that to it. But literally what you said, Drew, it like a bit of an emptiness to it. I I came out and I was just like, I was just a bit I don't know. I know there's only so much you can feel in those kind of films. the story was there, but it yeah, it's just I wouldn't watch it again and I just wouldn't I just thought it was quite slow. In fact, am I able to say that? speaker-0: Yeah, I ch I think what's sad about it is it's one of Robert Patterson's like absolute kind of transformative roles, but it's one that I'd never return to. Like it's such a shame speaker-1: Pegasus speaker-0: subject matter and the style of it. because it's it's a very uncomfortable watch, I think, even though there's a lot of humour in it, but also speaker-2: I'm glad there was no actual exploitativeness in it for us. It was all pretending speaker-0: We say that. speaker-2: to be young and stuff like that. speaker-0: True. no. The kids involved. Yeah. No, one hundred percent. And that that yeah, saved it in a way. But even them pretending to be kids is so messed up. And and a lot of the things that were discussed, 'cause if you think the way it starts and the way it ends, which I think is really interesting because it it goes full circle, it starts with him saying really obscene things and it's just a voiceover and it's it's horrible the stuff he's talking about. speaker-2: Yeah, he's rehearsing the lines he's gonna say to the people file they they catch going, You masturbate, you undress me, I undress you. speaker-0: You wanted it in your mouth. You said you wanted it in your mouth. And it's like all this kind of stuff that he's talking about is really echoing and kind of creepy and horrendous, especially when you associate it with the fact that what age they think they're talking to on on those computers is frightening. but also I didn't like the idea that it this is a really weird analogy. It reminded me of the team like for Twister, you know, when they're like really excited about trying to find a hurricane. And they're like, Yeah, let's release the balls or let let's get the hurricane and we're gonna catch this one. It had that weird excitement. speaker-1: I know what you mean. Yeah. speaker-2: So inappropriate. speaker-0: Okay, yeah, sorry. No, it's only 'cause they released the balls to to the thingy up the hurrah. speaker-2: I know you're side, don't worry. speaker-0: Anyway, but you know what I mean. But my point is just the idea of their passion towards doing such a dark thing. And I think I think Kev, what you said would have been more interesting that to go down the actor route, it would have been interesting to see those guys, like when they go and cut and then him going back to the hotel room and being a fly on the wall, like what the fuck is that like? And how his friends would be calling him up saying, What's happening with your career? He's like, Well, I'm doing this thing at the moment, I think I saw an episode, w you pretended to be a thirteen year old, w wh why? And the judgment and everything, we didn't get any of that side of it. And I think speaker-1: Didn't we, Kev? Decoy Dan would have been the perfect, like protagonist in that. speaker-0: One hundred percent.

speaker-2: 'Cause e even though it is Robert Patterson's film, he's not actually in it he's in it a lot obviously, but he's not in it on every scene. There's lot of stuff about the producer, yeah. A lot of stuff about the actors. It's mixed, it's even though he's the head honcho, there is more of an ensemble, it's not just a one man show. Yeah, yeah. But but the actor, the glimpses we get of him that Dan, Dan Plum, which is a weird name, I forgot to Google him for real life. I'll do that while we're listening in a minute. But he He was interesting and I wanted to be in his world 'cause it the turmoil of becoming a real actor, be getting the Screen Actors Guild, being in part of the in in the club 'cause he needs certain credits and stuff. He's doing this inappropriate stuff just to become a real in inverted commas actor and speaker-0: And he's watching the actors studio, sorry to interrupt, he's watching De Niro and people and that's what I thought was cool. That was one of my the best bits in the film is the montage of him going, How can I take an actor's attitude to playing a thirteen year old in this weird documentary thing? speaker-2: And at the end he gets his opportunity 'cause he's on the phone one to one with the paedophile and he knows he's being filmed. He's like, Yeah, this isn't gonna end well. I'm gonna use the next few minutes to at least pretend to act and did the did the song that he did in his audition that he wanted to show off 'cause he's into he's into musical theatre and stuff. Yeah. So he gets his chance to do that and then it goes all wrong and he speaker-0: It goes so dark. Yeah. It's like it escalates. It's almost like be careful what you wish for because they pushed it. He keeps pushing it further and further and further. And he's not thinking of the ramifications of any of his actions. That's why I think Chris Hansen doesn't come off very well. Because even when he's got this the young the young lad, decoy Dan, because when he goes, Decoy Dan Like when he loses his mind, you're like, dude. His ego Is huge. It's like a bit like the Craig David thing where Craig David always says his his own name and everything. It's like Chris Hansen. It's like even if you chat to his kids and be like, That's Chris Hanson on TV. I'm Chris Hanson. You're like, Dad, that's you. what are you talking speaker-2: That last pedophile that was the the rabbi, he's like, Who are you? And he's he's speaker-1: A whale. speaker-2: like I'm I'm Chris Hansen. He goes, Yeah. Because I'm cr Chris Hansen. Yeah, yeah. speaker-0: That was a really powerful moment as well, cause that was really good acting from from Rob Patterson being off key. So you see him at the beginning where he's all smooth and it's like really jazzed up and he's o he's hitting the beat every time. He's confident, he's like literally destroying speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: in the moment and catching them and making them feel like shrinking them. And then at that one time with the rabbi, like you're saying, he's he's really not there because of all of the stuff going on in his world with his wife. And the girl he's having an affair with at the restaurant and all this stuff. And his world is spiraling. And I think that was the closest thing to something interesting that then just gets nipped in the bud is the fact that he's tr he wants to play the main character in this documentary. And like you said, about that god complex of saying, I'm gonna catch these monsters and we're gonna put them to justice and all this kind of stuff. But it's like the fact that his world is spiraling out of control and he's trying to stay in control whilst being on camera. But they're seeing all of the stuff isn't quite together. Do you know what I mean? He's falling apart on camera. So speaker-1: Do you what I found the hardest thing to watch was when he got hired for the role and they told him Andy was like, Yeah, this is literally thrown into it straight away, being like, This is what you need to do. You're an actor, you're gonna be doing this, you're gonna be meeting a man. And that man that pulls his pants down and like you see that, and like my heart like dropped for him 'cause I'm thinking like he's just been like sexually harassed. Like he he did not know he was going into that. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Well you see him like speaker-2: He turned up to this thing going y i it's it's what what what's the word? speaker-0: He said it's a dress rehearsal as well. speaker-2: He's like, Can we do can we do a little rehearsal? He goes, We're gonna shoot the rehearsal. Yeah. Yeah. speaker-0: She's like strip off, she's like stripped down and he's he's in boxes like speaker-2: While she takes his trousers off and puts his top off and he's just allowing to happen what's going on. speaker-0: Short stuff. But it's but it's like they see him as almost like a puppet, like he's not human being. speaker-1: He went in there when he was in the kitchen and he stood there and then the man took his pants off and you see the look on Dan's face where it's like What the hell am I doing? Yeah. That was like to for me, that was like that was a ri that for everyone, but that for me really was a really hardcore. speaker-0: Environment, that was something. speaker-2: good conversation with his friend 'cause his friend wasn't wrong. When he phoned up he went, I s I saw you on what's it called? Date date dateline. He he's like, great, what what did you think of my performance? He's like, Well, not really performance, is it? You're on for two seconds. speaker-0: Well yeah, he said it's a nothing. It's a nothing role, isn't it? speaker-2: Yeah, it's not really our thing. It's like, Yeah, but do you know what he did with the rolling he's like, Well yeah, nothing really happened then. Yeah, yeah. Got shot, you know, like a he'd if it was today's world he'd be a meme that shots, you know. But he's not wrong, but he's speaker-0: But his mate does pretty dark things to him

as well 'cause every time he calls up pretending to be a pedo or something as well. Yeah. When he's like calling up and going, it's that thing. Don't worry, it's that speaker-2: From from a friend's perspective, it's funny you're doing this pedo show, so I'm gonna just tease you about being on a pedo show, but yeah, he's in it and Chris Hansen is so intense that he understands the weight on his shoulders. He's not doing acting. Like Chris Hansen says, You're not acting, you're doing important work. Yeah. It really builds him up to make sure he stays in the job. speaker-0: Yeah, but that also that bit's dark when when she says, Could you can you kind of like say congratulations so we can kind of keep him on because we've lost a couple of people in the past and she's like, I think it would be really good coming from you And he's like, Yeah, but I'm busy, I've got a I've got places to do, I've got things to do. She's like, Please, just one evening, like it will really make all the difference coming from you. And they go for that meal and th th this got one of the funny laughs for me when he's like he says, Would you like a wine? And he's like, No, no, I'll have a bud light and he's like He No, it's it's on the NBC's like card. He went, okay, I'll have a Budweiser. That got the biggest laugh in the in the cinema. But such speaker-2: Well that's one percent more alcohol content. speaker-0: Yeah, but it's like 'cause he's so he's so endearing and he's so enamoured by Chris as well. speaker-2: And he's childlike, so he is good at playing a child. Yeah. But he's he's not young. He's he's nineteen ninety six. He's he's thirty. In real life, he's thirty Do you know his name? He's got a very interesting name. speaker-0: I do recognise him from a couple of films, but I couldn't remember speaker-2: Skylar Gin Gizondo is his name. speaker-0: Jizz ondo. speaker-2: I didn't even think about that until I said it. It could be giz gizondo, could be different, I don't know. But speaker-1: Might be your pronunciation. speaker-2: you you'll recognize him from Superman. He was in Superman. He's in the new Fokker in Law with Ariana Group. speaker-0: yes, yes, yes. speaker-2: he's in the new Brothers series with Woody House. speaker-0: yeah, Matthew McConaughey. speaker-2: Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, so he's he's interesting. He's he'll be in some good he was in things like Book Smart and Vacation and stuff like that as well. So he's been in good stuff. And the other interesting thing is the director, Lance Oppenheim. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, this is the I see everything, isn't it? Or they see everything. speaker-2: Yes. So that's I thought that was really interesting as well 'cause i the main song in primetime is by Phoebe Bridgers and he's directed her music video, so he's got a but he's done some weird stuff in the past, but mainly shorts, no major films or anything. Yeah. Apart from with Nathan Fielder, You Can See Everything, which speaker-0: Yeah, that's it. speaker-2: one

of the biggest and Oscar winning films. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, I've heard I I can't wait for that. I I've heard really amazing things about that. speaker-2: I said to Kate, she used to watch the programme in Disney about it. speaker-1: I knew nothing about it. I I'd probably heard about it, but when we were watching a trailer, you were like, This is this is really good and I thought, I don't know what's going on. speaker-0: What I think works well for that though is this felt documentary esque, which is so clever because obviously it is like a film about making a documentary 'cause they're documenting the paedophiles and all that kind of scenario. But I it reminded me a little bit of do you remember speaker-2: Just so Kate can see, that's is the dropout with a man as Siegfried. yeah, that's Mandy Siegfried's amazing. On her speaker-1: It's got a lot of stuff to watch. speaker-2: It's in the stuff I told you, that's just the title. There's more stuff than what I told you. It's mental. As a con woman and a deluded human, it's insane. So this documentary is gonna be wild. Yeah. speaker-0: Three hours. speaker-2: It's yeah, well he's he lives in her house. They invited into her house. And what I heard, speaker-0: It's longer than Doomsday. speaker-2: he's with the two of them, her her and his her husband, and apparently he might be coercive or controlling. Because he goes away for a bit and the documentary changes apparently completely different. Yeah. Because she's allowed to say things she wasn't allowed to say when he's around. Yeah. So I think there's speaker-0: Well, people said it's a psychological it's it's almost got a psychological thriller element within a real life documentary based on the the science of the minds and how we manipulate each other. You're like speaker-2: Well Nathan Field is not a normal documentarian. He is like on the spectrum genius and a mind fuck. So he is he's he's a comedian who does really dark interviews and does experiments of people. He's been doing it for years, does these TV shows where experiments of people, families, scenarios, all this weird stuff and now he's doing doing this. So I think it's it's two people playing mind games against each other. That's the it's gonna be a battle. It that's what's exciting about the conversation. speaker-0: Yeah, I think it's gonna be really fascinating. speaker-2: No of course people trying to catch each other out and you don't see who's the cleverer person. speaker-0: Yeah, who's holding it's like chess but with thoughts and lies and truth. speaker-2: Yeah, so I think if you don't know who the human is, it just looks like a couple of people having a chat in a room. speaker-0: no, but it's it's speaker-1: Pretty much what I thought it was. speaker-0: way deeper though. Yeah. It's way deeper. speaker-1: I need to watch that series and then I'll be able to probably more appreciate it. speaker-2: I didn't know who she was until I watched that series. now speaker-0: Yes. I was

gonna say, the the whole kind of like analogy with the cookies I thought was really interesting throughout. Did you see did you catch on with that? Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah, yeah. speaker-0: So like obviously they're like, we baked you some cookies that that's bad cookies. Help yourself. Yeah, yeah. But then when he's at the meeting to talk about where his where his show's gonna be and the rankings and they've got cookies and he's like, Would you like a cookie? And he's like speaker-2: No he doesn't ask. He doesn't ask it d he doesn't ask, does he? He just he just notices them. speaker-0: Not pretty sure he says Do any of you guys want to help yourself to a cookie? And he just speaker-2: And later on in the film as well, that someone someone go someone offers him some he go he's with the woman that he's cheating on his wife with. speaker-0: in the restaurant. speaker-2: Yeah, and and the the the the waiter comes along and and goes, You like dessert? And he's like, my god, it's you, it's you, hey man, I love your show while she's crying and he's like he's like, Want some dessert? He's like, maybe some cookies. speaker-0: Yeah yeah. But then that same buy I think it goes, Love your show, man. Wouldn't want to be in it though. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: And it was good. Yeah, yeah. And it was like that got a massive laugh in our in our cinema. speaker-2: well with it with this film, again with when me and Kara Chatton, I think the bit that failed was that it did feel like it went from A to B to C. It just went through the motions. Yeah. It was about the story when it should have been about the people. Yes. The people that you know, again, going back to Carrie, the the characters are what you love and it doesn't matter what they do because you love them and hate them and want to see what they do. Yeah. This film, you've got no real passion for any of the characters. Yeah, just following the mad story. Yeah. It would have been better if I cared about any of the people in it. True. speaker-0: And also it's not because it's not even a character study, because like you said, it's the characters are existing in the functional role they have to play in order to maintain the documentary, as opposed to outside and put into any other given scenario, apart from when he's at home. That like the most fascinating point with Chris Hansen, even though it's a it's a drama and it's obviously a movie, is when he's with his children and the kind of weird, egotistical thing of and then when he lies to his partner, when she comes in and goes, speaker-1: What happened to speaker-0: Yeah, I put it on and they came in and sat down. You're like, No, you went in and you fucking put it on. You told them to come in and watch you. So it's this weird speaker-1: I thought this right. speaker-0: Sorry Bay. What about give your kids nightmares? yeah, by the way, there's load of pedophiles and they're into kids like you and they live all around here and I'm trying to capture them at the moment. okay. Do you wanna go to the park next week? No, I don't want to leave the house. speaker-2: It wasn't subtle. There was the they were talking about masturbation and horrible things. speaker-0: Yeah, horrendous things. speaker-2: A four year old and a six year old was watching, he goes, Do you like watch seeing your daddy on T V? I'm gonna be on prime time. Do you know what that means? speaker-0: It it tarnishes Spider Man slightly for me as well, 'cause the thingy character from Spider Man is now a pedo in this world. You know Flash. speaker-2: yeah yeah. speaker-0: Character at that and that's so awkward when he comes in and goes, I'm just gonna have a cookie and speaker-2: But that's what I didn't enjoy about the film. The film started too quickly and didn't give us an intro and I know it might have been there to jolt us and go, shit, we've we're in, we're in the world. Yeah. But it was too lazy and not that exciting and we'd seen it all in the trailer. speaker-0: Yeah, that's I think another problem. We have seen everything in the trailer. speaker-2: There wasn't there was something missing whether it was tense music to build. speaker-1: Isn't it more needed? speaker-0: It's just a I think I got I got really excited when I saw the bit where he was shouting in the trailer and everyone's like, my god, Rob Patton's gonna get Oscars and stuff. I thought it was the decaying of his mind and he's losing it, and the stakes are so high that he's on the camera or he's trying to catch someone, he's like, That guy's escaping and he knows too much, or he's gonna try and get that kid like Fuuck that was like whoa. But it was about that he's just shouting to get the kid to pick up the phone. You're like, that's so weak. Don't you speaker-2: I almost want him to go off the rails and crazy because that's entertaining to watch as opposed to the real thing where he's just a bit quirky and a bit irritating. speaker-0: But I think that's the problem. I think ironically they tried to make it too realistic and have it as a documentary film. It felt like a documentary, but they've just cast Robert Patterson. Literally. They've just done it like that, rather than it being a movie about the documentaries that they did. Like speaker-2: And again funny bits when appropriate funny bits like when at the very end when he has shouted him over, you know, Dan over to do the conversation, he's like Hey he just goes speaker-0: Yeah, and he's like, I get hired really quickly. Do you want to come right out? It's like and then he was like like how he improvises in the moment and it's like, but what they put that kid through, well not that not he's a kid, but it's so abusive. I think that's the one thing that I think is really interesting about the film is that you see that they don't have compassion for what they're doing. It's almost like a flu camp in a weirdly fucked up way. He's getting five grand To lure pedos into a into a trap where Chris Hansen comes down and

has his five, ten minutes of fame and it it it just feels a little bit it it's so it feels so dirty to watch in that sense. Does that make sense? And then when speaker-1: That's how I felt watching it. speaker-0: That Xavier character that's like, I've almost got a big, I've got a a big fucking Moby Dick, no pun intended. and he's like, tr I'm trying to get this guy, but he keeps slipping, he keeps slipping out every time I'm trying things. But it's just, I don't know. It was just so it's so uncomfortable to watch that film. Cause even the girl that's pretending to be, she reminded a bit a little that like the kind of what is it like Bart Simpson, like, hey man, you wanna come around? And and then and then it's like what was creepy was when she went to the decoy Dan's apartment and she was like, yeah, cool, you kinda look you kinda look like me. Like and the and they were trying to like match it so that he's the physical representation of the voice that she is on the phone and the kind of cadence of her messages or whatever. but that just felt so horrible when she's like setting up and they're just talking like it is just a rehearsal, yeah, cool. So you'll see that pedo tomorrow. cool. See you later. You're like, what? What is going on here? And it's interesting though, because your morals are twisted. Because, yes, there's there's technically no villains in this film, obviously, apart from all of the pedos that want to do horrendous things to children. But then you think the whole concept and setup. The people doing it for ratings and money is just as dark in a in a way, do you know what I mean? 'Cause they're orchestrating situations. speaker-1: I just felt h the whole film I I probably didn't like immerse myself enough in it, but I just the whole film watching Dan and like what he had to go through, he was put in this situation because he wants to have this dream of being an actor and he's just thrown into that situation where this man stood there in front of him with like whipped cream in his hand. And then like you see how he progresses where where Robert pass Robert's character is like near the pool and Dan stands there and he's like, I'm Dan Plum and this is this and he's like he's taken that role. I just thought the whole film I know it was about the about, you know, the the paedophiles coming in. But I I think it feel like it should have been focused more on Dan, like what he'd he's going to. speaker-0: The trauma. I I one hundred percent agree. speaker-2: he changed, didn't he? Because at the very end he realized that Robert Patsen was waiting for the whale, the big guy. And he kept saying the whale was like, Rage whale. yeah. But he was waiting for the whale as in a big guy, an important to catch an important guy, not just a scummy guy, like someone in government. They found a big guy, a pedophile. And he he just wanted the the whale. So he wasn't interested in the little guy. So he just went down the floor and kind of collapsed and waited. And that's when That's when Dcoy Dan took upon him to to speak to that disabled pedophile and just go and just go, What do you think of doing here? He he said the lines that speaker-0: Hansen normally says speaker-2: yeah, that Chris Hansen normally says and 'cause the guy couldn't run away exactly, could he? 'Cause he was on crutches. Yeah, yeah. So he had time to say his speech and actually did quite well. Even though he stumbled on a line, he actually said a really good phrase. I thought, that's good. Yeah. That's good. But I thought I thought it I thought there was lots of lots of great moments, lots of clever moments, but yeah, like you say, just failed on that emotion. But what about the scene about the the whole situation going to India? The the way that Chris Hansen started when he went to India and the someone has said, Are you here to investigate the missing girls or the missing children? And he's stuck that's what got him on this crusade of of protecting children. Because those children were going missing in India and he looked into it and they found one girl who witnessed it and she describes a monster and he's been after he thinks the monster is evil in the world that preys on children. So he feels it's his cause that that girl gave him a bracelet and that's his reminder to protect children. So he's going out there to find the bad guy. That's why at the very end when you've got Bill from Bill and Ted, I should probably know his name. speaker-1: He's in the window, isn't he, after he after he shoots himself? Yeah. That monster's there. speaker-2: yeah when he's l so it's Alex Winter playing Bill and and when he looks in the window, yeah, it turns into the monster face. Yeah. There's the monster. Yeah. But yeah, side note, Phoebe Bridgers was the girl. speaker-0: Yeah, from from Walking Dead. She's amazing. speaker-2: She's a singer. Well she turned a singer. speaker-0: Wait, wait, wait, are you talking about the the a the one that plays Andy, the producer? speaker-2: No, no, no. That plays Dell, the one that dresses up like a boy or a girl. yeah. That's speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, no no no. speaker-2: Virginia. I don't know I don't know who she is. I don't know she's the soundtrack at the end. That's her that sings it. Wow. She's a she's a big she's a really big indie musician. speaker-1: Okay, that's cool. speaker-2: So yeah. That's cool. But that but yeah, that scene at the end of the the well I thought that was really good 'cause they just could not catch the guy. And again, back in two thousand six How difficult is to trace IPs and stuff like that probably can be well difficult. Yeah. speaker-0: But I thought it was interesting when he says we're gonna go to him, which which breaks all the rules because now it's like there's no location, it's not a safe space, and it's like the idea of it spiralling out of the studio now, and they're in his fucking lawn and there's blue lights and there's police and guns and he's thinking, What

the hell is going on now? and then the kids try all they want to Yeah, and the kids starting like and speaker-1: That's the priority. speaker-0: they're like that was just When it goes blue, you've got the four screens and it's gradually going blue, blue, blue. That bit reminded me of phone booth, Kev. Do you remember when you see all the different parts of what's happening in the area going on simultaneously live and you see the cameras of the cameras of him in the phone booth and blah blah blah? But I honestly speaker-1: Do you know what you're talking about as well, I've watched that. speaker-0: Nice film. We l we love that film. Blue, speaker-1: Yeah, I like it too. speaker-0: bloom, bloom. I thought it would it it's great that we got the little bit after that with Dan getting his his card. But I w there was something that I would have loved if it just went blue, blue, blue, blue, black credits. Because it just would have had more of a haunting feel because it's like that's the last bit of footage. speaker-1: Mm. speaker-0: 'Cause for me that would have been r really cool if they if they had something like that. but yeah, I just think it it was a lot of interesting ideas. But also I was thinking dialogue wise, like there was no it didn't feel like a film. Like, you know, when you see like, I don't know, like an Aaron Sorkin film or like we were saying, like Mike Flanagan, you've got good scripts. It's not it wasn't like great dialogue. 'Cause I know it's trying to be real. But you can still have a decent film that feels real with good script. Stanley. Do you know do you know what I mean? It just dialogue. speaker-1: No, I I'm in completely agree. speaker-0: Like, I mean I'm thinking you think of a lot of movies where you can quote lines. I mean, obviously, yeah, there's c like little funny ones that we've mentioned in this episode, but it's like a as a as if you're calling it a movie, you've got no memorable lines really, apart from you see how this looks, right? You you see how this looks. but it's like it doesn't i I think one of the interesting scenes actually is when he's on the plane and he's drinking his cocktail and that guy says, Hey man, I love what you do, man. I love what you do. Kill those monsters, these these these guys are terrible and Do you ever want to bleed him? speaker-2: Yeah, do you want everyone to treat them? speaker-0: And he's like, Well, I think what I do is actually a bit worse. And he's like it It speaker-2: He's true as well, I think. speaker-0: is like the idea that he was shaming recording the shame Is is so dark, but then turning it into ratings is dark as well. So it's like speaker-2: Well he's jealous of that newscaster thing that he's competing with who's on the main news and the man because he's not Yeah doing his something is important, so he wants to be doing something important to be treated seriously. Yeah. Yeah. speaker-0: but yeah I just felt there wasn't there just wasn't enough. speaker-2: Did you

guys enjoy? Kate, did you actually enjoy enjoy it, just think it didn't live up to or did you actually speaker-1: I'm gonna be I don't think I can enjoy. speaker-0: Dangerous word for that subject matter. Like toad speaker-2: Go Kate. speaker-1: No, I was gonna say entertainment wise, it was there, like the the concept was there. But I just think how it was like executed, I just if it wasn't for me and it for for someone else, it would be for someone else, but I just think for me it was quite slow. It was just like moving from point to point. There was not like you had Andy's story which got lost, which I would have really liked to know her story a bit more. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-1: I keep going on about Decoy Dam because that that hit me quite emotionally, seeing him go into this this thing and not realising actually what what's actually happened to him. J I just I didn't enjoy it. I just I wouldn't watch it again and I think speaker-2: And Arab Farris, why was she even in the film? Yeah. She was a big actor and she was speaker-0: Yeah, just playing the partner like Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. There speaker-2: Just speaker-1: were so many things. speaker-0: Feet. speaker-1: There was so there was so many speaker-0: 'Cause she's a a very attractive, kind, nice person. Do you know what I mean? It's like speaker-2: But we didn't Who knows? We didn't get to know her at all in the film. speaker-1: There's so many characters introduced that they like picked on their stories just a little bit, but actually they didn't delve into their stories and it's like, Well why are you teasing us with like a little bit of story? Like I would say Andy, I would have loved to have known the whole s like the story behind this. Yeah. speaker-0: Brilliant. I was actually thinking if pe if pe if people are getting nominated for Oscars or just nominated for for performances from prime time, that actor that plays Andy she speaker-1: god, definitely. speaker-2: Merrit Weaver. speaker-0: Yeah, she she's in Walking Dead and a few other things and speaker-2: Christie last year. speaker-0: She's in the speaker-1: god the speaker-0: The one where the people split, the severance. She was in the severance. speaker-2: Severance, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she was she was in Christie, the female boxing film. She's a horrible character on that. She's really good at that. speaker-0: With what's her name? The one that Sydney speaker-1: Sydney Sweeney. speaker-0: Sweeney, yeah. Well I here's here's the thing, right? Imagine this as the premise. So you've got prime time. it's now written by Aaron Sorkin. And it's done in chapters about each character building up to a one record, but based on what happens in that one studio moment, we now know everything about all the people that are going to that set. And all of the their different feelings towards what's going on. And then it's directed by David Fincher. That's a completely different film. that's like, okay, I'm I'm in. I'm in. Do you know what I mean? But then having that as ch as as chapters for each character, that would have been amazing. speaker-1: Yeah. a bit like and I'm I'm bringing away you've watched Weapons, haven't you? speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. speaker-1: That's the that storyline of weapons where it it shows each character's like chapter. And you've got like the homeless man and you've got the aunt and all this and that. That would have been so good to bring together. speaker-0: You're right, that's yeah. Like the Chris Hansen, the producer. speaker-2: We just speaker-0: The pedophile catcher or whatever, that guy and then you've got speaker-2: That would been good. speaker-1: She has so much more screen time. speaker-2: Not that you wanna give a pedophile airtime, but it would have been good to have had they must have known information about the the main bad guy. speaker-0: The sense of sort of speaker-2: If we had a twenty minutes of maybe even the f the whole thing starting with Alex Winter, Bill and Ted, if we started with him and he's an upstanding citizen because he his job was catching bad people and people that abuse children. So We we followed his thing of go he's a judge and he's trying to prosecute bad people and you build him up as a s upstanding citizen and friends with the police and then we cut to the storyline, then we come back to him going, he'll help and the cop being friends with him and then the bombshell hits he he's the one being messaging. There you go, it's the same story. speaker-0: That's amazing. But that's genius. Cause then you could have when the Xavier character sends a message, it then jump cuts to the senator and he's eating a sandwich, it goes and you go, that's what that guy just wrote, and you're like, no, it's him. Yeah. speaker-2: It could be him or is that a red herring? it is. Yeah. Then that then then it's not an A B. speaker-1: So much better. speaker-2: They've actually created a narrative and it's a shock. Yeah. speaker-0: Twelve. speaker-2: I think it was shocking, because we got a shock in the first two minutes, and it wasn't really that shocking. It was quite it was like speaker-1: Just like the same throughout. speaker-2: Yeah, all these evil, evil people never came across as evil. They just came across as little grimy people that are a bit disgusting. Like, yeah, they're evil and they're horrible, but it was never Bad guy. It was just another sicko. another sicko. The world's full of Who gives a shit? It wasn't treated as seriously. It was only Chris Hansen who reacted seriously. Everyone else is just like, it's another bad guy. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. Just so it's just like taking a box to try and get themselves onto that nine PM slot. speaker-0: But you're right, 'cause actually if you did think of it from the breakdown of an actual story or a movie, you've got your protagonist and you've got your antagonist, and you're right, the closest thing to an antagonist was the senator and then it it didn't have

enough and it was in the final little moment, so it didn't really have much speaker-2: would believe you to be a bad guy because it's fucking Bill from Bill and Ted. They cast the lovable goofy guy. Yeah, yeah. He's playing a nice guy who's protecting children. So we would have thought he's gonna be helped he's gonna be used later to help prosecute these people. So that's why he's part of the story. Yeah. We would have never thought. speaker-0: And actually, dude, you just hit the nail on the head. That's the thing I wanted to see as well. So when when they get pinned down and they're like thing and then I want to see the court things like how do they how do they explain that when he goes, Yeah, but I was I was lured to the house and they're Yeah, but you were you were after children, but they were an actor, they had cameras in my face, and it's kind of like that would have been really interesting from a moral standpoint because the paedophile is now fighting for their their human rights. And that's a really interesting kind of bl blurred line 'cause you go, Well, you're you're doing sick things, you need to be put away, but at the same time it's like, Well, hang on a minute, I was lured to that house and speaker-2: Yeah, he didn't break the law. speaker-0: Yeah, it's all under pretense. speaker-2: They would have to have used that as a reason to get a warrant to find him doing it to other people 'cause they couldn't prosecute for doing that. speaker-0: That's the other thing that I thought was weird, because when when the police come and obviously that happens in America anyway, they just throw them to the ground, put the guns in their back and then handcuff them. But like you're saying, you're right. There's nothing all all they've got is really inappropriate sentences on a laptop going back and forth and a guy holding a can of whipped cream like well, I mean that one was pretty fucking speaker-2: Do try and put the words in their mouth at the beginning and with the kid say well, the adult pretending to be a kid saying, I'm fifteen, or I'm thirteen, right? Yeah. Right. Now I c go away and get Chris Hansen. So they they make sure the interpreter is foolproof. Yeah, yeah, fair, fair. but still legally they still weren't talking even where they thought it were or is not, you speaker-0: Because also the the messed up thing about that, especially with shows and even documentaries, you have to sign a waiver and none of these paedophiles have signed waivers. So they're just stepping into a like a a weird thing. speaker-2: This was the this was like the birth of reality. So this wasn't a thing that lawyers were involved in it for years. Yeah. Until they needed things like that. Yeah. And technically they're not being involved, they are repercussion. So they might not need it. speaker-0: True, true. speaker-2: I don't know what the law stands on that. But yeah, we've just found we've just described multiple different variants of saying the same story but better. Yeah. And that's what lacked. It was the the the plot, the editing. Lance Oppenheim was quite clever. He did lots of really cool cinematic flares, like you said, with the multiple cameras. Yeah. With stylization, the the the ratio. speaker-0: It literally did flares as well though, 'cause the way that the lights like like shimmer. It did shimmer straight. speaker-2: The best scenes were were Robert Patterson practicing lines and being hunched up speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: in the mirror. speaker-0: At the end though, what I thought was really powerful was when when it goes so dark and he his face is almost submerged in darkness, so you just see his eyes. And then I think it jump cuts to the senator and it does a similar thing. And it's like they're seeing each other and then it goes back shit. speaker-2: But I just I just think Lance Oppenheim probably is not an experienced he's been doing lots of stuff, but nothing major. He's not speaker-0: Wrote it though. speaker-2: experienced enough to Did he run? speaker-0: Right, prime time, then. speaker-2: I think he's just he's the director, I believe, just the speaker-0: Because I'd be curious who who wrote it because I I genuinely think Robert Patterson came on board because he he loves experimental art and that's one of the things I absolutely adore about Robert Patterson as an actor slash artist because he really takes on art house projects and he really challenges himself as an artist, not just. speaker-2: A bad film by Patterson because he cares and he's trying something new. Yeah. I don't speaker-0: Yeah, one hundred speaker-2: want 100% films from him. I want some shit ones, but wild swings. speaker-0: Well have you seen something the devil all the time? speaker-2: Yeah, that series. speaker-0: Well it's not a series, it's it's it's it's a film. Well Tom speaker-2: Yeah, we're talking about it. speaker-0: Holland as well, yeah. But again, like he was saying, he tried something out and he he he plays a villain character in that. but again amazing. Like like Kev says, he absolutely takes a swing for it every time, and I really respect that as an actor. speaker-2: So guys, just so the two writers haven't really done much. It's a guy called A. John Singh and he's only done prime time and something called Spider Punk, but it hasn't even got a proper credit on IMDb, so I've no idea what that is. And the second guy is Luke. Dittrich and he's only done Primetime and Predators, which is last year there was a documentary on this on Chris Hansen, so he's part of it. And I Googled who Dan is. So it's not Dan Plum, that's a made up name. The real guy's called Dan Shrack. S C H R A C K. And I thought, I wonder if he's I hope he's an actor, I hope he's done it. So he speaker-0: So is that based on speaker-2: he's a real person. Yeah. He's not been an actor, unfortunately. He didn't pursue it. But that ending where he gets the card, he's not happy and he goes, man, are you an actor? And he it ends,

doesn't it? He doesn't speaker-0: Yeah. But the what I loved about it though is it's it's like selling your soul though. That's what is what did it cost to get that card? Because he talks about it all the way through, going, I need one of these cards. speaker-2: Yeah, he's only got four credits and it is in To Catch a Predator to for one year, two thousand six, two thousand seven, Something Small and a documentary on being in to catch a predator. So that's all he's done. I think I think that was the that was the meaning of that shot. It's like I'm done with this shit. I got what I wanted and I don't want it. speaker-0: If that's what you wish for, right? It's that kinda say. speaker-2: Yeah. What I thought lacked at the ending, this sounds like a big bitching session, but i I enjoyed it. I did enjoy it. I did think it was good and it ha has merit. It just didn't work overall. But the ending I said to you vocally as well at the end, there's like wait, wait, th there there's they're gonna show us the real Chris Hansen and a real clip from the film to see how accurate it was, but they didn't. Yeah. That would be speaker-0: They normally do that with Christian Bale ones, don't they? They show you Christian Bale and then they show you the person that they're betraying. So the fighter. speaker-2: True story is good. speaker-0: But have you seen the fighter? Like that film, it's incredible. Like Christian Bale plays the the older brother, and when you see the actual footage of the older brother and you see Christian Bale, you can see why he was nominated. And I I think he won the Oscar that year. I think he did, didn't he? speaker-2: Roofman with Channing Tatum. Yeah. Shows the ending, how he did it. I was like, Wow. Obviously it doesn't make anything like him, but it's not about that. It's the story. Yeah. That when you saw the real footage and the real cops that arrested him in the film. It's like, wow. Yeah. speaker-0: And some of the real neighbours, you you see the real neighbours and the people that worked in the fast food place going, Yeah, and he gave me the jacket, man. Yeah. And it's like speaker-2: Did you see Roof May and Kate? No. speaker-0: Good. But speaker-1: Add it to the list. speaker-0: it's Derek Siri in France. I I told I told Kev like Derek if anything with Derek Siri in France, you cannot go wrong. He's an amazing writer and director. Fair enough. he did Blue Valentine, he did Place Beyond the Pines, he did I Know This Much to Be True with two versions of Mark Ruffalo. And yeah, he did Roofman. Sound speaker-2: Sound and metal. speaker-0: of Metal, yeah. Sound of Metal with Riz Ahmed and god, what's her name? god, the one that's in Yeah, House of the Dragon. speaker-2: Olivia Cook. Yeah, Olivia Cook. Yeah. No. It's good. Roofman, highly recommend. It's about a guy, briefly, it's about a guy who r runs out he's a what is he? He's a he's a veteran. He's like a an army guy. And he runs out of money and he realized how easy it is to steal from a McDonald's. He climbs into the roof and just drops down, steals the money and g and goes. And no one knows how they stole them because they ca they don't know how we got into access because he hides it. So and then after like f he's done forty or fifty across many states, they he he bumps into like people in the store, puts locks them in the freezer, gives him his jacket 'cause he's that nice of a guy, he's not doing bad malice. And they they catch him because of that, he goes to prison and he escapes and he lives in a Toys R Us for like a year to s to stay away from the speaker-1: I don't wanna hear any more. I gotta watch it. speaker-0: It's so speaker-2: That's in the opening minute too. That's in the opening minute and then there's a story. I speaker-1: Okay. speaker-2: I thought it was gonna be a comedy or something mad and it's like a love story, it's a drama, it's a comedy, it's speaker-0: That's I don't think that bit's real though. I think the love bit is added into making it more interesting. speaker-2: No, no, that's got the woman at the end. Talking about the relationship. You're going, Yeah, yeah, he we he was he he loved my daughter and he took all shit and wow. Okay. Yeah, yeah, it's all real. I mean obviously there's artistic licenses. Yeah, yeah. The speaker-0: Yeah, drawing. speaker-2: general thread is real. speaker-0: Please spoke. speaker-2: Which is w when you watch that you go, This is too insane to be true. Yeah. But then speaker-0: That's even one of the things that it says the the insane, truly insane story that's actually true. And you're like, what? Yeah. So it's like, yeah. speaker-2: That's it. True stories are wilder than fiction. That is a speaker-0: I wonder though, going back to Primetime real quick, I wonder if it is the the Patterson look that brings people in. Cause when people are seeing the trailers and they're seeing him nail the accent, I think that's what's bringing people in. And I think he does do a good job, but I just feel that even he can't save this film from its it it's kind of like it Don't get me wrong, like like you said about from an entertainment standpoint, I wasn't looking at my watch and going, like it i i I was glued to the screen. It's just uncomfortable. And I think there's no decent payoff and there was probably more interesting characters that we could have followed. But Patsen speaker-2: But speaker-0: does a great job. And do you think he's gonna be nominated for this? That that's quite an interesting conversation here. speaker-2: I want him to be n I'd rather him be nominated for the drama or something. speaker-0: Yeah. I'd rather be nominated for the Odyssey. I thought he's brilliant in that. For that small section he has, he's absolutely amazing in that. speaker-2: Yeah. He's he's he's gripping. But again when we're when we finished we're talking about even though it was a small role, I love I love he does his wild stuff, but when he was in Die My Love was one of my

the best films last year. Yeah, yeah. With Jennifer Lawrence, that small part so good so uncomfortable. speaker-0: So she's speaker-2: But it was wild, some of the Uncomfortable Films are the best films. speaker-0: Haunting, yeah, yeah. speaker-2: The drama and the invite are still my standout films. Because they're unique. They're not a sequel. They're not a superhero film. You know, I you love Spider Man, but I can't put in the same esteem as I speaker-0: No man, it's a completely different no one speaker-2: Spider Man is a good drama as well. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah, it's a different it's a different world. One, it's fantastical with a guy firing, webs out of his his wrists, man. Of course, it's a completely different speaker-2: And if Tarran's listened to this, apologies for the next sentence, but I'm glad you're not here for this question. What is your like favorite or top couple of Robert Pattons films that's not Twilight, because that's not one of them. It's not loud included. speaker-0: Do you want to go first, Kate? speaker-1: I would probably say well well literally what we've just said, Die My Love, that one was I really, really like that one. And it sounds it sounds so you only had a little part to play in in the Odyssey, but that whole beggar's line I I've got a lot of very. speaker-0: Yeah. It did become like a viral meme, I think that speaker-1: He did. But I think I need to like have on the top of my head I can't think of any other sort of he's probably been in he's been so speaker-2: Yeah yeah yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, but pr I'd probably say Die My Love was my favourite one that I've seen him in recently. Okay. speaker-0: For me, I think he's amazing in the lighthouse. speaker-1: But watch that one. speaker-0: Really speaker-2: Number one. speaker-0: Yeah, his unbelievable, him and William Dafoe, that it's a it's a two hander. It's black and white, Kate. It's a two hander, ninety minutes maybe. They just go it's so good. I think that speaker-2: Horror that you don't know is a horror until it becomes a horror. speaker-0: But but but also, Kev, I think you might you might agree with me. I'd also say he's seventeen. speaker-2: Yeah. Not a highly rated film, but I thought it was speaker-0: Underrated, I think he's fucking brilliant in that man. no, but hang on a minute. Hang on, good times, what are we talking about? Like that is such a performance. speaker-2: Well that was his big film because it was Twilight, he's that kid. Everyone's his speaker-0: Well that was his magnum opus, wasn't it? speaker-2: first boom. Yeah. Blonde hair, scruffy, skinny, scrawny, proper like bad guy. Yeah. But with a heart because he looks after his disabled brother brother. Yeah. Who is one of the what's one of the directors called? speaker-0: yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the Sefti brothers. Ben speaker-2: That's it. speaker-0: Safty I think. Who is actually in the Odyssey so kinda speaker-2: Agamemnon. He's Agamemnon. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: I thought you

would have said tenant, Drew. speaker-0: He is good in tenant though as well, to be fair. He is good in tenant. I'm trying to remember the other one, speaker-2: just look at his list. I thought he'd done more, but he hasn't. I thought he's become prolific recently. He's got loads of projects now, but in the last few years he's already speaker-0: But he he's made some really interesting stuff because even he did some stuff for I think it's David Cronenberg. He did and I can't remember the name of it now, but he's in it's just him in a car, pretty much. Like it's such he's got so much dialogue. it it's a crazy film that people here's the thing people are gonna study Robert Patterson. Let's be honest, like he is a monumental beast of an actor that like when you look at his his career already. If you go backwards and look at how good he is even then, it it's he's speaker-2: Just yeah. Me me and K were talking as well, like June three doesn't excite any of us, but we've seen the first two, so we kind of might as well see it. But Robert Patterson is kind of a big draw for that film. speaker-0: One hundred percent. speaker-2: Boring sci fi, isn't I don't I don't get on with sci fi that much unless there's a hook, you know. speaker-0: But also he wasn't meant to be in it either. It was it wasn't until Zendaya went, I'll see if he's got any parts for you. Yeah, They worked together that you were saying. And then it's like, well, how about we just give him the fucking villain? well, yeah. Yeah. That was stupid not speaker-2: How do I get into a a Denis Villeneuve film? And zundea went, I'll I'll give him a WhatsApp. speaker-1: Mm. speaker-2: And he was like, Yeah, sure. speaker-0: yeah, he's just just one of the one of the best actors on the planet is like, can I can I play a part? That's the other thing I was gonna say about him. He's not about big leads either. Robert Patterson could play any role, whether it be cameo, one scene, supporting, like whatever it speaker-1: No. speaker-0: He's just so enigmatic. You can't take your speaker-2: Like again, Die My Love is an art film. He probably got paid n next to nothing. He would've got scale, which for a multi million dollar earning guy, probably which I think is about thirty grand for film, which is nothing. speaker-0: He's fucking great in Batman as well. I can't believe I didn't even mention Batman. the new Matt Reef Batman is he's absolutely phenomenal in that, to be fair. speaker-2: And isn't he great in all his interviews? All his interviews he's a proper weirdo. In a funny way. speaker-0: He's great in high life. I'm just doing some quick shout-outs here. And I'm trying to see he's great in life. Life is amazing. He plays the photographer that discovered Jimmy Dean. James Dean. speaker-2: James Dean, yeah. speaker-0: Cosmopolis is the one I'm talking about, which is the David Cronenberg one, which is this weird dystopian, but it's a mad ass film. And Robert Patterson has such crazy dialogue that he's

like talking like 10-minute monologues. Like it's insane what he does. speaker-2: yes, I've seen the I think I might have seen that. I've seen the poster, I know the poster. speaker-0: Remember me, that's the one where he he's really good in that and that's got a crazy twist. That's a little bit like the drama, Kev, when you get the twist for Remember Me. and he's he's he's quite young. speaker-2: I've got a few gaps. He's one of those actors that I never liked because he was in Twilight. So it took me a long time. Like I didn't see good time when it came out. So like years later I was like, God, I'll give it a go and it changed my opinion. There's loads of actors like that you don't like and then you see a film you go, Wow, okay. speaker-0: What what's crazy is one of one of my friends from drama school, Jeffrey Breton, he was he was auditioning for a TV series called The Haunted Airmen. And I remember at the time he's like, we he's like, I didn't get it, man. He's some fucking bastard got it. And I remember we were cracking open beers watching it, and I went, Holy shit, that's Robert Patterson. So it's not bad to lose to like probably the best actor on the planet right now. So speaker-2: Yeah. And yeah. And again he's in June as a small part, whereas he should he could be playing that lead much better, I think, than Tim Chandler's good, but he could outperform him. speaker-0: One hundred percent. One hundred percent. speaker-2: Anyway, any any last points? speaker-1: Not really now? speaker-2: Didn't think well, Drew was awful. I don't think we'd have as much to talk about in prime time there, but that was speaker-0: Hey guys, that's that's my job, man. I'm just the concrete between bricks. I just fill fill up. speaker-2: Love that. Love that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you very much for listening for us moaning about prime time. speaker-0: Wait, of starring? Are you doing stars? How many whales or stars are you? speaker-2: Yeah, I'm st I still think it was a really good film and I think a lot of people will enjoy it and I thought it had lots of merit, loads of good stuff. literally Merit, that's the name of the woman. Andy. so I'd give it a solid three because I thought it was really good. I think you guys are gonna be a touch below, I'm guessing. speaker-1: Mm Go on Drew, what you thinkin'? speaker-0: I was thinking three as well, or two seven two point seven. not it's not performances. I think that's what's heartbreaking. I think everyone in it does such a a superb job for how difficult the project is from the point of view of lacking substance. speaker-2: The story and the editing is the failure. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything is good. Yeah. do you know what I I would say three actually to be fair because it's not the acting's five. The acting's five star across the board. It's just the story is like the bit that's like three. Because I've seen people like on Instagram they say story, acting, music, you know, like and they break it all down and then give it like a thing at the end, which I think is a really cool way to do it. It just takes a long time. But but yeah, I I'd I'd say three. Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: A solid three. It's definitely it will grip you while you're While you're in it, it's just when it ends, you're like, speaker-2: And Kate, what would you rate a film with two flaccid penises being shown? speaker-1: I'd be giving it a t two point five. Yeah, nothing to do with the actin. The actin's incredible, but just it's not for me. speaker-0: Meat and two speaker-2: For penis. speaker-0: bed and two beds. speaker-1: much yeah. speaker-2: Fantastic. Well, thank you very much for listening. We'll see you next time. What are we talking about next time? we've got a new guest. hopefully, as long as it happens, we have a new guest called Chelsea who will be joining us to talk about Wild Horse Nine next week, maybe, or maybe the week after. We'll get back to you. Thank you very much. See you soon. Bye. speaker-0: Bye bye. speaker-1: Ha ha ha. speaker-2: This is b speaker-0: Thanks for hanging out with us. We hope you had a whale of a time. speaker-2: Thank you all for your continued support and please check out our back catalogue of fun episodes with many brilliant guests. Just to remind you, Ragewell is on Spotify, Amazon, Apple and YouTube, where you can follow and subscribe so you don't miss our next episode. Also, you can find us on Instagram and TikTok for fun clips from the show. There are links there for Rage Well merch as well as our email address if you want to send us a question or your movie opinion. We always love hearing from you. Thanks again for spending your time with us. See you next time.