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The following may contain offensive language, adult humor, and or
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content that some viewers may find offensive. The views and
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opinions expressed by any one speaker does not explicitly or
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necessarily reflect or represent those of Mark Rattledge or W2M Network.
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Please listen with caution, or don't listen at all.
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Hey!
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A triple feature! Three films up on the screen! One's
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a little heavy, one's a little sleek, and one's.
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Just caught between.
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Laugh and cry and overanalyze. Dig through fiends with wide,
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wild eyes. Grab some popcorn, take your seat. Three times
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the fun, three times the treat.
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The goal for tonight is to review these movies to
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see if their craft is worthy. The goal tonight.
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Is is not to stand on high from the mountaintop
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and point down at all the people who do not
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believe as we do and say they are wrong for
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believing as they do if they take part in the
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kinds of things one or two of these films is
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talking about. We are craft reviewers, Robert. We are here
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to talk about the craft of movie making. We are
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not here To bang books on a pulpit and point
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at the people and say you were wrong. Wrong for
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all that you do. You got ready to punch me
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in the face. How are you tonight? How was the
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carrier review?
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All right. I'm still like... two-thirds... I'm not quite two-thirds
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sick anymore, but... Because I was sick last night.
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I'm sorry to hear that.
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Yeah, I'm... Most... My nose isn't quite running like a
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canyon anymore, but it's still... I still cough up some
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interesting colored stuff.
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Yeah, I got some gum stuff going on. I've been, like,
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every couple of hours, I've been trying to hit this
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medicated mouthwash. It fucking sucks. It's weird. I just went
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to the dentist, too, and I feel like that made
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it worse.
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You always do right afterward with the dentist, and then,
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you know, a few weeks go by and it sort
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of resettles. Yep. All right.
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Well, this is kind of like a damn you Hollywood
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and a half here as we look at some streaming
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movie catch-up deals. Tonight on Triple Feature, we'll be looking
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at Solo Mio, The Invite, and for worse, Kevin James
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co-wrote and stars in Solo Mio, directed by brothers Charles
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and Daniel Kinane, about a jilted groom who decides to
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take his Italian honeymoon alone. Olivia Wilde directs and stars
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alongside Seth Rogen, Edward Norton, and Penelope Cruz in The Invite,
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an adaptation of, I don't know how to pronounce this name, Shaq?
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Shaq?
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Love Shaq? Gay's Spanish film The People Upstairs, in which
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a troubled marriage is tested by an unusual dinner invitation. Finally,
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Amy Landecker, who I have no idea who this woman is,
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writes and directs and stars in For Worse, and it shows.
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A semi-autobiographical comedy inspired by her experiences navigating divorce, dating,
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and a younger gentleman's wedding culture. Shot in just 11 days,
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the film examines the indignities and possibilities of starting over
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in middle age. Three romantic comedies, three very different approaches
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to commitment, and one peculiar reoccurring detail. Therapists becoming romantically
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involved with their patients. What could possibly go wrong?
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I mean, everything.
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Yeah, so that last line is from me. It was
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my note to the chat GPT, who then put it
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into the thing tonight. Like, it's wildly unethical. You can
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lose your license, and it was in all three movies.
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It's prevalent at this point because the general culture, you
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and I have talked about this, we have decided to
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therapize everything with So our language has become more therapy-speak.
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We insist everyone and their dog go to therapy. Preferably
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you go with your dog so that you and your
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dog can work through your emotional problems.
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your dog might be your therapy dog, so....
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No, because... No, you might have... Sorry, my head went
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somewhere else with what you said. I get what you said.
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And with that in mind, as we have so over-glorified
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this profession of occasionally useful utility, but frequently abusive and
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overly utilized. Abusive on both ends. It is overly commercialized.
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It is increasingly an unethical pursuit.
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Well, I was going to say, like.
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Let me finish the point.
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Okay.
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We've decided that because we've decided to do all that,
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those who are practitioners become elevated and are figures of lust.
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Okay. I feel like Boy, you couldn't help yourself. I
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feel like you had a bone to pick there, but
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it wasn't even, like, the specific thing I'm marveling at is, like,
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we're not just elevating therapists the way you described it.
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There's specifically situations like Ted Lasso, all three of these movies.
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I want to say, even going back to The Incredible Hulk,
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I want to say the dude who plays Doc Samson
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and Betty had a therapeutic relationship before they were romantic partners.
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And it's like, I want to be clear about this.
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It's not technically illegal, but it's highly unethical. And I
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think at least the LCSW standard, licensed clinical social worker standard,
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at least for the state of Florida, is you have
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to be out of practice with somebody for five years
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before you can have a social or romantic relationship with them.
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And I've always taken that so seriously that I won't
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even be friends with anyone that I've ever treated until
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I've met that standard, let alone a romantic interest. And
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the fact that it keeps popping up in all of
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these different movies, do people just not know that?
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No, the entire notion of projection has become a thing
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that people think is a joke. No, no, you don't
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project yourself onto your therapist. Like, no, that happens all
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the damn time. And now everyone's writing about it unironically,
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like it's a good thing. And it's a terrible thing for...
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the patients and the therapists.
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The other side of this is that a lot of
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these situations insinuates the therapist is a piece of shit
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who would do such a thing and any therapist worth
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their salt would say what I'm saying is you don't
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do that. You know that going in. Like, it's just
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a weird, it's a weird way to start this whole
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review since it's, you know, it's one element of these things,
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not the whole thing. But it's just so funny to me.
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It was funny to me that it happened. I saw
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it in Solo Meal, then I saw it in The Invite,
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and then I fucking saw it in For Worst. And
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I'm like, Why does this keep happening? No real-life therapist
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does this.
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At least in Solo Mio, it's like the tertiary characters
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that do it as a background joke that everyone understands. Like,
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this is not a good thing. For worse, it gets
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no such. You're written by a childless cat lady in
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her 50s. Of course you overly fetishize therapists.
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Put that out of the way.
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So....
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One of these you asked to do. One of these
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we're doing because inevitably we're going to have to deal
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with this when the Oscar nominations come out. And the
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other one, I needed a third movie. So tell me
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why you want to do Solomio.
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It was just on the list of things that I,
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when you sent your list, like here's all the stuff
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I'm going to see and talk about for TikTok and whatnot.
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And it was like, if there's any that I want
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to talk about with you, we can make shows out of.
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And that one's, I said solo Mio kind of on
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a lark. I'm trying to expand some of my cinematic preferences.
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I have a long history of diminishing the romantic comedy
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because almost nothing about it appeals to me personally.
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So I came out of the gate swinging at you
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and biting at your face. So I'm going to spend
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the rest of this unless I'm provoked. um being nice
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to you you uh so the way i'm going to
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say this i'm going to restructure it than the way
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i was thinking in my head i feel like you've
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had a very narrow diet of uh the cinema you
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know you like a certain genre and as you put
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it other genres you you tend to.
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Denigrate It's not so much a genre. The problem is
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some genres are so inexorably linked with the tropes of
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filmmaking that I'm more opposed to. I don't object to
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romantic comedies conceptually, but when the romantic comedy genre is
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still doing the same crap they were doing with Julia
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Roberts and Richard Gere and Sandra Bullock and Bill Pullman
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40 years ago, I don't care anymore. There's nothing interesting.
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There's nothing worth engaging.
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A couple of it. Hang on, a couple years back, Melissa,
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in one of her drew a line in the sand
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arbitrarily and said, I will stand no more of your
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being the leader of this household. You will do what
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I want to do. And I went, boy, all you
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had to do was ask, but sure, what do you need?
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And she's like, watch these romantic comedies with me. And
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to your what I think is your point, like they
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were fine. They were entertaining enough. I laughed at it.
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I think one of them, but I kind of thought
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to myself how there is cookie cutter. You can find
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cookie cutter in every genre. And I think that's the
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point that I'm trying to get. And it's actually one
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of the things about this trio of movies that I
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think is interesting is that these are not very tropey.
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Not a whole lot. Okay.
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These in many ways go against, especially The Invite. The
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Invite I almost wouldn't classify as a romantic comedy in
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any kind of shape or form. It's a drama.
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With alleged comedic moments.
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That might be the only thing I agree with you on. Yeah,
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I didn't laugh a whole lot with The Invite. I
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didn't laugh at a whole lot of The Invite at
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things I was supposed to laugh at. But we'll get there.
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But yeah, so Amir and for worse actually don't really
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sit in the cookie cutter for romantic comedy is the
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way I have my list here. Some of the other.
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While You Were Sleeping, Pretty Woman.
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I'm thinking about even just the new ones this year.
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Hang on.
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13 Going on 30.
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You were naming, like, 100-year-old movies.
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Yeah, but nothing's changed since then, so I can reference
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Notting Hill or About Time, and it's all the same.
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About Time's a little bit different, actually. I should redact
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that one. Um....
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Oh, I deleted it, duh, because I did a whole
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thing with it. But yeah, there's at least six different
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romantic comedies. I know that because I made them into
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two triple features for myself, where I can almost guarantee
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they follow the same basic romantic comedy tropes. It was
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one of those things that Patton Oswalt kind of made
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fun of. It's like, every romantic comedy is Jennifer Aniston
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trying to fuck. And Courtney Cox trying to fuck. Juliette
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Lewis trying to fuck. Will they fuck? Who knows? You know,
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every romantic comedy for a while. And so you really
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have to dig deep to find something that's interesting and
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outside the norm.
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The fact that the romantic comedy genre has still never
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been able to overcome stuff like It Happened One Night
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or Roman Holidays and Damning and Diamond and everyone who
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tries to dip their toe into this sub-genre.
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I wonder when the last time a romantic comedy won
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a Best Picture.
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Oh, that is a great question. You know what? That
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is a really good question. Hang on.
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Right? Because, like, we tend to, it's like prestige pictures
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and dramas for the most part, the occasional science fiction
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or historical thing. Like, I can't think of a time
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that I've.
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1977.
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Holy shit. It's kind of a damning indictment, don't you think?
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Annie Hall.
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Oh, good old Uncle Woody.
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You could maybe argue Shakespeare in Love, which, first of all,
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shouldn't have been there, but also leans a bit more
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drama than comedy, all things considered.
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All right, let's get into Solo Mio, now that I
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understand that you are trying to extend your boundaries, and
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for that, I applaud you. Why don't you tell the
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people what this movie's about?
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It's about Kevin James going to get married in Italy,
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and his fiancée doesn't show up for the wedding. Predictably....
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She leaves him stranded at the altar. She's in Italy
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with him.
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Yeah. She leaves him a note. She leaves him at
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the altar. He tries to get a refund because he
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bought the whole honeymoon package. Like, this is not on
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an art teacher's salary. This man had been saving for
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this for a while. Yeah.
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This was a romantic gesture, ladies.
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And she decided it wasn't enough. Infer what you will
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from that. And he can't get a refund. He can't.
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And on the advice of the concierge at the hotel,
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fancy hotel where they would be staying, he just decides
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to do all the stuff on the honeymoon package by himself.
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Never mind. This might be the most depressing thing in
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the world, but he's going through with it because he's
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a good.
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He fucking spent money on. He might as well go
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see the sites.
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Indeed. Indeed. So he meets a couple of other couples
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who are doing their thing. There's the aforementioned therapist who
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married a physical therapist, and that's iffy. Then there's my
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favorite couple in this movie, Allison Hannigan and Kim Coates,
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who are on their third marriage to each other. Oh, yeah.
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Have you ever watched Sons of Anarchy?
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Oh, yeah. Okay.
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I couldn't remember where I knew him from, and then
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I looked it up. I'm like, oh, my God, that's
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the guy from Sons of Anarchy, that pervert.
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Yeah. So they go through a lot of the, you know,
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the gag, the tours around Italy. They go see the
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sites and he meets a owner of a coffee shop,
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a cafe. Sort of hits it off with her. They
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go around. They do stuff together. They kind of fall
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for each other. He says, you know, I kind of
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like you, but in the interest of full disclosure, I
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was here in Italy to get married. He mentioned that
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he just got out of a relationship, but he didn't say, like,
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I literally got left at the altar a week, like
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three days ago.
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That comes later.
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So he does confess that says, yeah, she left me
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at the altar. She left me this note. And the
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woman sees the note and sees him and like, oh, no,
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I can't do this anymore. So he gets more depressed.
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stood him up shows up and they get to talk
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and he they have a bit of a heart to heart.
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And he does what every writer of these kinds of
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movies wishes real life men would do and just accepts
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his scolding and realizes that she was right the whole time.
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Wouldn't call it a scolding.
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It's a very good nature of scolding. There's no fighting.
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She says to him, I wasn't satisfied in this relationship.
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There wasn't enough friction for me. You were too accommodating.
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You were... You were smothering in the sense of, like,
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I didn't feel like I had any more sense of self.
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And if I had married you, I would have been perfectly,
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nicely miserable in a marriage
where I would have been
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given everything that I want. And as we all know
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from The Matrix, if you live in a perfect life,
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you'll reject it and demand to be put in a
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miserable life.
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So... And Kevin James kind of just accepts that and
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then she says, yeah, I was trying to figure out
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how to tell you all this. I'm trying to write
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a note in this cafe and the woman who owns
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it came over and helped talk me through it and
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he realized this is the woman that he's now kind
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of fallen for. So he goes to find her and
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he says, yeah.
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This is an important thing because now you have to
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go back a scene or two where he thinks he
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drove her off because he had lied by omission when
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in reality it had dawned on her, oh, fuck, I'm
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the reason this poor fat sap got left at the altar.
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And so she runs away in shame. Part of what
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makes Kevin James, Kevin James in this movie is that
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he's kind of dead inside. Aren't we all? And that's
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part of what his fiance's gripe with him is, is like,
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you're not you. You're, you're, you're half of me. And
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I don't, and you gotta be you. And you died
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somewhere along the way and became me for some strange reason.
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So part of the journey that Kevin James goes on
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is this Italian chick, as all Italian chicks will do
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for you, breathes life back into him. And, you know,
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he's more self-assured. One of the ways this is expressed
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is he sings opera to her at, what is it,
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Botticelli's house?
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I forget the guy's name, but yeah, there's something like that.
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And then at the end, when he goes up to
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her on a motorcycle, all romantic, like, and says, please
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come to this Ed Sheeran concert with me.
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No more romantic words have ever been spoken.
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She says, like, I don't know. I'm still not sure
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about this. And he basically tells her, like, you blew
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up my wedding. Come on, you owe me.
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Well, she's ashamed, you know. She's ashamed that she broke
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up this fucking wedding because, like, she got to know
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the guy. She fell in love with the guy. And
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then she realized he's the... I.
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Know.
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Hang on, hang on, hang on. I'm laughing and I
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can't get the line out. I was the author of
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all your pain, Kevin.
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Unintentionally.
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And she can't take it. And that's why she ran
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off the first time. And then he sings opera at her.
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And she's like, Oh, it's even worse now. I love
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this guy, but I fucked his whole life up. And I,
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and I don't want to tell him cause I'm shamed.
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So he figures that out. He's like, it's fine. I
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fucking forgive you. Let's go hot Italian.
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Yeah. So they go see Ed Sheeran. We then cut forward.
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They get married. Um, Kim Coates and Alison Hannigan then
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get married for their fourth time. He proposes at the
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wedding for Kevin James and the Italian lady. And everyone
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lives happily ever after, as you do.
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I wanted this movie to make my top ten just because.
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It's not going to. I watched this with my kids.
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We all agreed it was lovely. Perfectly nice movie. I
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don't love Kevin James. Most modern comedians from the mid-90s
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on up, from the... Adam Sandler era of SNL um, players,
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I have not liked their comedies. I have more like
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their dramas. I know he wasn't an SNL person. He
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was in living color, but that goes double for James,
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for Jim Carrey. I, I found a lot of SNL
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comedy to be way too broad for my liking. Um,
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But when they do dramas, as Jim Carrey did dramas,
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Adam Sandler did dramas, I tend to like them. Kevin
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James especially. A couple years ago, my son and I
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did an alternative commentary for Paul Blart. And when you're
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watching it with a 10-year-old, sure, it's
fucking hilarious.
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It's 10-year-old humor. I mean, it hits the bullseye that
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it aims for. The fact that it's not a difficult
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bullseye to hit is.
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So he was having a ball with it. I was
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having a ball watching him have a ball. But would
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you get me to watch Paul Blart of my own volition?
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Absolutely not. You know, I think I remember like Chuck
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and Larry's gay wedding or whatever the fuck it's called.
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It's just called Chuck and Larry.
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No, there's a whole long name to it. But it
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doesn't matter. And I don't.
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I don't pronounce you Chuck and Larry. That was.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, it was all right. Like,
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it's not the laugh ride that some people seem to
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think it is. There are other Kevin. Oh, here comes
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the boom. I like that one, but that's more because
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I like UFC. So, you know, and there are some
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really funny jokes in there, like the bit where Selma
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Hayek says to him, like, do you realize that every
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time you try to hit on me, you're sitting? Like,
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right off my own heart. It's behind the wall of fat.
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There's also the gag about Chael Sonnen being submitted by
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Kevin James, which one I think is actually possible because
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Kevin James actually does a lot of MMA training. And
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Chael Sonnen's submission defense is still terrible. But after he
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gets admitted, he's like, wait, no, I didn't mean it.
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To the referee, like, I didn't mean it. We're just
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playing around, right? Which is sort of what he said
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about one of the submissions. Like, I thought that ended
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the round, not the fight.
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Kevin James' really famous stand-up that he got on Comedy Central,
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I enjoyed. The one where every time they cut a commercial,
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he was shadowboxing. So, like, I don't hate Kevin James.
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I just don't like a lot of his comedy movies.
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He's great in this. It was a long way to
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go to get there,
but... He's great in this. I
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think as a kind of middle-aged... I very much identify
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with Kevin James, not because I've necessarily done this. I've
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always had a good, strong sense of self. But I
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can identify with the idea of a guy, or a woman,
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but let's focus on a guy for a second, just
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feeling so adrift in, and this is the part that
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I actually do identify with, being so adrift in your
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middle age, you know, feeling like you're not fulfilled in
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the way that you would like to be fulfilled, and
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then And you've been lonely for a very long time.
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And you finally find this woman who likes hanging out
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with you. And you're like, you will now be my
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personality forever. Everything will be about you. And I will
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spend the rest of my life trying to make you happy.
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Such is the need for me to be attached to you.
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Because without you, I will die. People get there more
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often than they should. And Kevin James portrayed that really well.
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One of my minor criticisms of this movie is I
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wish I'd gotten... more of what their relationship was because
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the movie opens with like basically film footage.
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It's kind of a montage of his proposal and her
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acceptance of it.
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Yeah. So you don't really, so a lot of what
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I'm talking about is either inferred or stated directly later
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in the movie. I wish I got to see some
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of that because I think it would have been important
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to see for people to really identify with his character
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to understand why he is the way he is when he's,
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you know, like again, you can use a lot of
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inference and you can use your big boy brain to
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figure it out, but it would have been nice to
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have seen just how bad things were for the Italian
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ship to breathe life into him and have that be
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even more effective than it already was. It's absence doesn't
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ruin the movie or anything. I'm just like, I got
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to come up with stuff to think about with this movie.
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That's what I came up with.
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I don't disagree with that at all. Like a little
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bit of contrast would have gone a long way there. Yeah.
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But him kind of, you know, kind of being like
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the vulture from the Bugs Bunny cartoon through half the
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movie of, you know, Kevin, sing opera. Kevin, do this. Kevin,
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write about Kevin. Kevin, do the thing. And he's, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
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You know, and slowly but surely, this Italian woman's like,
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there's no reason for you to be this way. And
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you're going to see this with Seth Rogen in The Invite.
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There's no reason for you to be this way. You're fine.
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You're worthy of love. You're worthy of attachment. Why you're...
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And flagellating yourself in the corner thinking you are unworthy
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of these things. I'll never know, but fucking get over
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it already. And she says it a lot nicer than that.
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And so over the course of the movie, he does.
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And like the big thing is when he finally, because
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he says he can sing opera, but he doesn't want
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to because, oh, no, no, no, no, no. And then
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he does. And it's like, Oh my God, the whole
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room is like tears. Like, Oh my God. Yes. Thank you. Yeah.
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There's, there's a lot of things that it's, like you said,
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it's kind of intimated and you have to use a
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little bit of inference, but you know, he's an art teacher.
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So she asked to see his work at one point
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and he says, well, here's all the stuff my kids do.
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Cause he teaches art to like, you know, 12, 12
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year olds or something like that. Like he's yeah. Might've
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been younger than that. I forget exactly, but he teaches
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like grade school students art, not like first graders, but
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you know, young kids.
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Let's go with 9 or 10.
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Yeah, so he's like, yeah, here's what they do. And
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she's like, no, I wanted to see what you do.
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And I'm like, I don't have any pictures of my stuff.
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Because he hasn't actually, like, you know, painted for himself in,
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you know, forever.
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Yeah. You get to a point in life where you're
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just not doing things for yourself anymore and you kind
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of die inside.
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A little bit, yeah. So there's that, there's, you know,
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the opera thing, there's, oh, I forget the other one.
479
00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:40.420
Because I kind of like, the other one was the
480
00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:42.589
one that I thought worked best for me. And I
481
00:25:42.609 --> 00:25:46.640
can't remember what it was for the life of me now. Um,
482
00:25:46.740 --> 00:25:48.400
but yeah, there was one other, there was something else
483
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:50.980
that she was like, Oh, you do this thing. Like, Oh,
484
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.480
he won't dance is the other thing. Like she tries
485
00:25:53.500 --> 00:25:55.180
to get him to dance and he just won't do it,
486
00:25:56.529 --> 00:25:58.049
which is a guy without a lot of rhythm. I
487
00:25:58.089 --> 00:26:01.289
completely understand. But as a, it sort of just compounds
488
00:26:01.309 --> 00:26:02.029
with everything else.
489
00:26:03.009 --> 00:26:04.890
I learned when I was in high school, when someone
490
00:26:04.930 --> 00:26:07.980
invites you to dance, you just dance. You don't, you don't,
491
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.690
you don't do the vulture. Uh, You don't think about it.
492
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.660
You don't worry about how you look because no one's
493
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:16.099
paying attention. It's fucking dark and there's blaring music. Just dance.
494
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:24.940
And that's what he learns. Just dance. So anyway, I
495
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:31.009
really like this movie. It doesn't have the gravitas to
496
00:26:31.049 --> 00:26:34.529
kind of make my top ten. It's not nonnas. And
497
00:26:34.750 --> 00:26:35.210
just because I can.
498
00:26:36.950 --> 00:26:38.880
First of all, sometimes it's very hard to turn my
499
00:26:38.890 --> 00:26:43.059
therapist brain off. So it's not that I see myself necessarily.
500
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.200
Let me walk that back a step or two. I
501
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:46.920
recently said, and I'm going to say something. I don't
502
00:26:46.940 --> 00:26:48.539
want to turn this into one of these podcasts where
503
00:26:49.339 --> 00:26:50.960
some of these guys like to come on here and
504
00:26:50.980 --> 00:26:52.940
think it's a group therapy session. So I'm going to
505
00:26:52.980 --> 00:26:55.079
say this, and I really don't need to explain it
506
00:26:55.180 --> 00:26:57.880
any further than that. But I recently said to somebody
507
00:26:57.940 --> 00:27:01.369
that my life, my family was kind of blown up,
508
00:27:02.380 --> 00:27:05.589
and that part of me died. That's the way I
509
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:07.140
view life now is the way I think about it.
510
00:27:07.470 --> 00:27:10.210
A lot of the rituals and traditions and the things
511
00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:12.230
that I held very, very dear were very much wrapped
512
00:27:12.289 --> 00:27:14.829
up in my family. And yes, I still have kids.
513
00:27:14.869 --> 00:27:17.809
They're still my family. But my family unit of four
514
00:27:17.829 --> 00:27:20.410
of us building and working together and moving through life together,
515
00:27:22.690 --> 00:27:26.859
blown apart like the Death Star. And a lot of
516
00:27:26.900 --> 00:27:31.859
my sense of self went with it. I see that
517
00:27:31.900 --> 00:27:34.799
in Kevin James. And I see that in a lot
518
00:27:34.819 --> 00:27:40.660
of the people that I treat. And that's great. That
519
00:27:40.700 --> 00:27:46.200
makes the film, you know, relatable. That doesn't make it
520
00:27:46.220 --> 00:27:48.160
a Best Picture nominee.
521
00:27:48.289 --> 00:27:50.029
What it does, and this is one of the things that,
522
00:27:50.430 --> 00:27:53.109
to answer sort of the question that you asked earlier, like,
523
00:27:53.349 --> 00:27:55.069
of all the things, I imagine that was, like, the
524
00:27:55.150 --> 00:27:56.690
one that may have, like, blindsided you.
525
00:27:56.750 --> 00:27:58.849
I think we've had to hold a triple feature because
526
00:27:58.890 --> 00:27:59.069
of it.
527
00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:06.579
I think one of the giant things missing in filmmaking,
528
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.660
and it's especially true in the romantic comedy subgenre, where
529
00:28:13.220 --> 00:28:19.269
you absolutely need this, you just need earnestness. You need honesty.
530
00:28:19.289 --> 00:28:20.089
That's a good word.
531
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:25.589
And the entire like culture at the moment is, you know,
532
00:28:25.650 --> 00:28:29.109
everything is irony poisoned. Everything is full of bathos and
533
00:28:29.170 --> 00:28:31.650
Marvel quips. And I don't just mean the movie.
534
00:28:31.410 --> 00:28:33.299
Is a better word. Everything is performative.
535
00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:38.079
Yeah. And because it's all performative, no one takes anything seriously.
536
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:43.220
Everything is viewed through an ironic lens. And everything is
537
00:28:43.259 --> 00:28:45.880
viewed through, well, can I make a joke after this
538
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:46.509
thing comes up?
539
00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:50.339
Right. In worse hands, Kevin James is like falling into
540
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:51.099
the well and shit.
541
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:52.099
Yeah.
542
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:53.359
You know, this is slapstick.
543
00:28:54.619 --> 00:28:56.660
And thankfully they avoid that. And part of the reason
544
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:58.319
that I said I'd
be willing to talk about this
545
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:02.259
one was I watched the trailer and I was struck
546
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:04.119
not by like, oh, this looks like a great movie.
547
00:29:04.460 --> 00:29:08.859
It's fine. But as just, if nothing else, a tonal
548
00:29:09.059 --> 00:29:13.059
contrast to everything else that we've been watching for years
549
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:18.779
at this point, that is just... Again, everything has to
550
00:29:18.819 --> 00:29:21.400
be bathos and everything has to be quippy and everything
551
00:29:21.420 --> 00:29:24.509
has to be surface level because God forbid you actually
552
00:29:24.549 --> 00:29:27.230
express yourself seriously and expect the audience to be serious
553
00:29:27.289 --> 00:29:31.109
along with you. It is the mark of deep insecurity,
554
00:29:31.150 --> 00:29:34.460
the way most writers write things these days, that they
555
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:37.700
make the joke hoping that the audience won't because they're
556
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:40.319
worried someone in the audience would make it. so they
557
00:29:40.339 --> 00:29:42.220
make it first and haha let's all have a laugh
558
00:29:42.299 --> 00:29:45.380
and again it's just insecure if you have faith in
559
00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:47.859
your ability and you have faith in the product the
560
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.859
audience is going to be there not everyone nothing's perfect
561
00:29:51.579 --> 00:29:53.500
but you ignore the outliers you don't can't you don't
562
00:29:53.539 --> 00:29:57.700
cater to them And lamentably, everyone decided to cater to
563
00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:03.880
making everything as shallow and stupid as possible. And this movie,
564
00:30:04.059 --> 00:30:08.819
even in trailer, was like, again, earnest and sincere. And hey,
565
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:10.809
it's different, if nothing else.
566
00:30:11.940 --> 00:30:14.490
So this came out by Angel Studios, who years ago,
567
00:30:14.549 --> 00:30:17.069
when they were like, we're going to do our own studio,
568
00:30:17.130 --> 00:30:19.069
the Christians. We're going to do our own studio with
569
00:30:19.109 --> 00:30:22.769
Blackjack and Hookers, but not that, because we're Christians. And
570
00:30:22.789 --> 00:30:26.220
that became Angel Studios. And at the time, I was like,
571
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.940
this is going to be terrible. When everything is just
572
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:32.220
done by the strict Christians, it tends to not be
573
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:32.640
that great.
574
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.569
Depends on which subset of Christianity, but yeah.
575
00:30:37.690 --> 00:30:39.930
Angel Studios, not that everyone's a winner, but they've had
576
00:30:39.950 --> 00:30:43.390
some real successful movies that have either been made well
577
00:30:44.190 --> 00:30:46.950
or made money or both.
578
00:30:47.890 --> 00:30:51.009
It's kind of funny. Because they've existed for a while now.
579
00:30:51.710 --> 00:30:52.829
This is not a new group.
580
00:30:53.170 --> 00:30:54.990
And what is this? Didn't this come out of like
581
00:30:55.069 --> 00:30:58.329
around the time of the Gina Carano firing? Cause I
582
00:30:58.349 --> 00:31:00.789
feel like that's, that's what kind of started this whole,
583
00:31:00.809 --> 00:31:01.390
that ball rolling.
584
00:31:01.410 --> 00:31:06.059
I'd have, I don't think so. Um, I think there
585
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:07.799
are a little bit, I want to say that angel
586
00:31:07.819 --> 00:31:12.000
studios is actually like the outgrow of what used to be, um,
587
00:31:15.299 --> 00:31:18.069
Oh crap. What's the, what was the name of that thing?
588
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:20.710
Cause they, you'll, you'll remember this. There was the like
589
00:31:20.890 --> 00:31:26.670
a video rental stores that would, re-edit R-rated material into
590
00:31:26.750 --> 00:31:27.880
not R-rated material.
591
00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:29.339
Oh, I don't remember the name of it.
592
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:31.359
But no, but I think it's like the same outgroup
593
00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:32.940
of that same group of people, basically.
594
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:35.380
All right, so your final thoughts on Solo Mio, and
595
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:36.420
then we'll move on to the invite.
596
00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:40.529
It's exactly what you think it is. There's nothing subversive.
597
00:31:40.940 --> 00:31:43.789
There's nothing that's going to come out of left field.
598
00:31:43.829 --> 00:31:45.509
If you watch the trailer and think you'll enjoy it,
599
00:31:45.529 --> 00:31:49.170
you'll enjoy it. And it's just nice to have something
600
00:31:49.190 --> 00:31:52.230
that is, again, just sincere and earnest in the filmmaking
601
00:31:52.609 --> 00:31:55.690
landscape these days when everything is not. Speaking of everything
602
00:31:55.769 --> 00:31:56.569
not being that.
603
00:31:59.009 --> 00:31:59.210
Okay.
604
00:32:02.539 --> 00:32:02.819
Give me.
605
00:32:04.309 --> 00:32:05.160
Two to five minutes.
606
00:32:05.930 --> 00:32:06.130
Okay.
607
00:32:06.910 --> 00:32:11.910
Uninterrupted. What your cultural problem with the invite is so
608
00:32:11.950 --> 00:32:13.369
you get it out of your system and I don't
609
00:32:13.390 --> 00:32:14.849
have to deal with it for the rest of the review.
610
00:32:15.190 --> 00:32:21.309
Go. I don't actually have a cultural problem with the
611
00:32:21.369 --> 00:32:26.019
invite having seen it. If you want my like 50
612
00:32:26.019 --> 00:32:28.680
words or less on why I think open marriages is
613
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.180
a bad idea, I can simply point to the data
614
00:32:31.460 --> 00:32:32.519
on open marriages. Sure.
615
00:32:33.059 --> 00:32:34.220
Get it out of your system because I don't want
616
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:35.019
to deal with it after this.
617
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:39.690
Go. I don't feel the need to, because the movie
618
00:32:39.750 --> 00:32:42.470
doesn't actually deal with that. Like it's the catalyst for
619
00:32:42.509 --> 00:32:44.690
the drama. It's not, they're not actually making a point
620
00:32:44.730 --> 00:32:45.670
about it for the most part.
621
00:32:47.190 --> 00:32:49.819
That's not correct. Penelope Cruz goes out of her way
622
00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:51.740
to defend it, but go ahead.
623
00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:57.079
Yeah, she does, but she's a therapist sleeping with a client.
624
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:58.200
So I don't take her seriously.
625
00:32:58.779 --> 00:32:58.940
Fair.
626
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.509
Look, again, if you want my 50 words or less
627
00:33:03.589 --> 00:33:07.369
on this, I can point to the long tale of
628
00:33:07.430 --> 00:33:10.930
human history. The further away we get from the nuclear
629
00:33:10.990 --> 00:33:14.109
family as the foundational unit of society, the faster things
630
00:33:14.150 --> 00:33:18.819
fall apart. This is true of every society throughout human history.
631
00:33:18.980 --> 00:33:21.349
If you think I'm exaggerating, you're welcome to look into it,
632
00:33:22.579 --> 00:33:26.859
because that's how it goes. Now, whatever you choose to
633
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.670
ascribe the value of, like the reasoning for that to,
634
00:33:30.490 --> 00:33:32.859
I leave up to you. I can tell you I
635
00:33:32.900 --> 00:33:36.220
believe it's because the family is divinely ordered. It is
636
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:43.000
the standard unit of interpersonal relationship stretching back to before
637
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:48.460
creation itself. It is divinely ordained, it is divinely mandated
638
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:50.740
that marriage is to be had between a man and
639
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.980
a woman, lawfully wedded, and children are entitled to be
640
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:56.619
raised in a stable family. And secure an intact home. Now,
641
00:33:56.660 --> 00:33:59.029
that doesn't mean if you're dealing with abusive jack wagons
642
00:33:59.069 --> 00:34:01.329
that you shouldn't get divorced. My parents are divorced. No
643
00:34:01.390 --> 00:34:07.289
one's perfect. But if we're just talking about like, you know,
644
00:34:07.410 --> 00:34:11.530
what does Robert have against people just wanting to have fun? Like,
645
00:34:12.090 --> 00:34:14.739
I don't necessarily I'm not out here trying to preach
646
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.159
at all of you. I'm just going to tell you
647
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.119
as a general rule, this tends to go badly. And
648
00:34:21.380 --> 00:34:25.050
we have for some reason. we as a society have
649
00:34:25.090 --> 00:34:29.150
decided writ large to become that one scene from Arrested Development.
650
00:34:29.789 --> 00:34:30.530
I don't know what that is.
651
00:34:30.550 --> 00:34:32.789
You've never seen Arrested Development?
652
00:34:33.030 --> 00:34:34.869
Never watched a single episode. I'm aware of the show,
653
00:34:34.909 --> 00:34:35.679
but I've never watched it.
654
00:34:35.789 --> 00:34:38.250
Okay. So, one, you should probably watch it. I think
655
00:34:38.269 --> 00:34:42.630
you'd enjoy it. But two, among the cast of characters
656
00:34:43.050 --> 00:34:46.710
is Jason Bateman's sister, his twin sister, actually, played by
657
00:34:46.969 --> 00:34:51.610
Portia de Rossi. She's married to David Cross, who plays
658
00:34:51.670 --> 00:34:56.360
a therapist named Tobias Funke. who is kind of sort
659
00:34:56.400 --> 00:35:00.300
of famous for making a lot of unintentional homoerotic references.
660
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:05.630
His big, like his best-selling book is called The Man
661
00:35:05.690 --> 00:35:10.929
Inside Me. Okay, so you kind of see what we're
662
00:35:10.949 --> 00:35:11.469
dealing with here?
663
00:35:11.869 --> 00:35:12.429
I'm with you.
664
00:35:12.449 --> 00:35:16.130
Okay, so they have a daughter. Their marriage is a
665
00:35:16.170 --> 00:35:20.829
little unhappy. And at one point they're sitting there next
666
00:35:20.849 --> 00:35:24.530
to each other and she brings up, well, what if
667
00:35:24.610 --> 00:35:30.239
we open the marriage? And he goes, well, they're sitting there,
668
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.000
they're expressing like, you know, we're not happy. And again,
669
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:33.900
it's kind of more, this is a comedy. So it's,
670
00:35:34.099 --> 00:35:37.659
you know, not like deep drama, but they're unhappy. Again,
671
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.099
it's sort of intimated that he's gay and doesn't realize
672
00:35:40.139 --> 00:35:42.699
that kind of thing. And Portia de Rossi is, you know,
673
00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:46.239
clumsy and has no sex appeal, which is weird because
674
00:35:46.260 --> 00:35:49.099
she's not an unattractive woman, but there's like no sexual
675
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.730
energy there for the most part with her. Certainly the
676
00:35:52.750 --> 00:35:55.769
way she acts like is presented that way. Anyway, he
677
00:35:55.829 --> 00:36:00.030
says to her, well, you know, I know our marriage
678
00:36:00.070 --> 00:36:03.139
is in trouble. And we've tried a bunch of therapeutic things.
679
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:05.860
Like I can't be our therapist because he actually has ethics,
680
00:36:05.900 --> 00:36:07.699
which is a wild. That's how you know the movies
681
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:11.000
from the shows from the 90s or the early 2000s.
682
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:13.820
And he says, well, I think maybe the only thing
683
00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:17.699
we haven't tried is an open marriage. And she goes,
684
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:23.050
does that ever work? He says, no. I've seen it,
685
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.280
seen it a lot of times. It never works. But
686
00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:30.679
it might for us, because we're aware of the perils
687
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.280
and pitfalls, and that's where we are as a society.
688
00:36:34.320 -->
00:36:36.099
We look at the long history of this. We look
689
00:36:36.139 --> 00:36:39.159
at all the analytical data and just have decided, but
690
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:43.170
maybe we're special. And spoiler alert, people, we're not.
691
00:36:44.110 --> 00:36:48.809
So I'm going to rebut that slightly, and then we're
692
00:36:48.829 --> 00:36:50.989
going to move on to the movie. So I did a,
693
00:36:52.190 --> 00:36:52.989
but not in the way that you think.
694
00:36:54.019 --> 00:36:54.320
I did a.
695
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.940
TikTok last year about ethical non-monogamy and all of that.
696
00:36:58.699 --> 00:37:06.070
And I said, from my standpoint of view, barring human behavior,
697
00:37:06.510 --> 00:37:14.230
just as a divorced from religion, just as a structure
698
00:37:14.269 --> 00:37:25.519
of human dynamics and relationships, non- heteronormal relationship dynamics are
699
00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:30.679
equal in value to heteronormative ones. When you take everything
700
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:33.980
else away from it. Like, if you want to be poly,
701
00:37:34.019 --> 00:37:36.039
if you want to be open, if you want to
702
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:43.099
be swingers, that's all equal to traditional monogamy. The problem
703
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:49.829
is I just described a fantasy. Because... Because much like communism.
704
00:37:49.849 --> 00:37:52.269
That might as well have been you saying from each
705
00:37:52.309 --> 00:37:55.969
according to his effort and to each according to his need.
706
00:37:57.110 --> 00:38:01.070
Much like communism, these are all great ideas that work
707
00:38:01.090 --> 00:38:04.289
poorly with humans. And more to the point in what
708
00:38:04.309 --> 00:38:06.889
I was saying at the time, and really goes to
709
00:38:06.929 --> 00:38:15.269
what happens in The Invite, is it's... The vast majority
710
00:38:15.309 --> 00:38:19.019
of people don't have high enough emotional intelligence. to make
711
00:38:19.059 --> 00:38:25.019
this work. Because if everybody has extremely high emotional intelligence,
712
00:38:25.900 --> 00:38:29.079
then you're able to sort through the uglier parts of
713
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:33.510
ethically non-monogamous relationships. You're able to sort through jealousies. You're
714
00:38:33.530 --> 00:38:37.619
able to sort through other feelings that come up. But
715
00:38:37.820 --> 00:38:41.030
rarely is that the case. And from my experience, more
716
00:38:41.110 --> 00:38:47.090
often than not, people with long histories of trauma, varying
717
00:38:47.150 --> 00:38:52.110
mood disorders, a bit of psychosis and, you know, an
718
00:38:52.150 --> 00:38:54.969
ADHD or two are the ones participating in this. And
719
00:38:54.989 --> 00:38:57.849
guess what? A lot of them don't have high emotional intelligence.
720
00:38:59.710 --> 00:39:01.429
They just want to do what they want to do
721
00:39:01.469 --> 00:39:03.760
when they want to do it without consequence.
722
00:39:06.219 --> 00:39:12.340
Those people have experienced what, you know, heteronormative behavior. It's been,
723
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:14.800
they've been betrayed by it. So they think doing this is,
724
00:39:15.059 --> 00:39:17.429
is better and, And they assign a lot of weight
725
00:39:17.449 --> 00:39:20.179
to it for that reason. And, you know, I've watched
726
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.579
those people crash and burn. And that's the last I'm
727
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.880
going to say about it. So I don't think they're...
728
00:39:25.900 --> 00:39:30.929
I think this is a debate to be had about the...
729
00:39:31.900 --> 00:39:37.110
value of nuclear families and heteronormative behavior based on statistics.
730
00:39:37.650 --> 00:39:40.210
But it's not really relevant to the invite. The invite
731
00:39:40.250 --> 00:39:42.909
is a whole other thing going on. But I wanted
732
00:39:42.929 --> 00:39:44.210
to get this out of the way so we're not
733
00:39:44.269 --> 00:39:45.849
fighting about that instead of the stupid movie.
734
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.420
Well, I was prepared to have that fight, and then
735
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.360
I watched the movie and went, oh, like, none of my...
736
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:57.179
None of the lifestyle discussion is relevant to the movie. Like,
737
00:39:57.260 --> 00:39:59.300
almost none of that is relevant to what's actually taking
738
00:39:59.320 --> 00:39:59.940
place in the movie.
739
00:40:00.030 --> 00:40:01.929
This is less about....
740
00:40:02.909 --> 00:40:03.050
So.
741
00:40:04.010 --> 00:40:06.130
The invite involves swingers.
742
00:40:07.289 --> 00:40:07.469
And.
743
00:40:08.530 --> 00:40:10.489
I'll let Robert do the plot synopsis, but to get
744
00:40:10.530 --> 00:40:14.159
this out of the way, the invite involves a swinging
745
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:19.610
couple who... extend an invitation for swinging to the host couple,
746
00:40:19.989 --> 00:40:25.039
who are Olivia Wilde and Seth Rogen. And that is only...
747
00:40:26.300 --> 00:40:30.119
one-fourth of what's happening in this movie. The other three-fourths
748
00:40:30.219 --> 00:40:32.340
are about this fucking marriage that's falling apart.
749
00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:34.179
And.
750
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:38.989
when marriages tend to fall apart, you tend to look for...
751
00:40:39.329 --> 00:40:42.429
other things that bring you, you know, joy and fulfillment
752
00:40:42.550 --> 00:40:47.630
and satisfaction... generally speaking, outside of the marriage, unfortunately. And
753
00:40:47.710 --> 00:40:51.550
that's where these trains met. And we'll talk about whether
754
00:40:51.659 --> 00:40:53.980
or not how successful that was in just a few minutes.
755
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:59.500
So with all that tortured preamble out of the way, Robert,
756
00:40:59.659 --> 00:41:01.079
what happens in the invite?
757
00:41:01.139 --> 00:41:02.840
There's your clip for TikTok, at least.
758
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.519
I don't do that no more. However, I'm sure it'll
759
00:41:07.539 --> 00:41:08.480
get a mention in the essay.
760
00:41:10.380 --> 00:41:13.820
One would assume. So the invite, again, as Mark mentioned,
761
00:41:13.900 --> 00:41:17.500
it's staged almost entirely within the apartment shared by Seth
762
00:41:17.539 --> 00:41:20.039
Rogen and Olivia Wilde. We meet Seth Rogen as he
763
00:41:20.139 --> 00:41:26.210
is disinterestedly teaching people at a community college, basically, music.
764
00:41:27.090 --> 00:41:28.670
And he goes home and then everything else takes place
765
00:41:28.690 --> 00:41:33.789
in the apartment. He comes home to begin immediately fighting
766
00:41:33.829 --> 00:41:37.920
with his wife, Olivia Wilde. Because he comes in the
767
00:41:37.940 --> 00:41:40.019
door and he lays down on the ground because his
768
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:41.920
back is killing him and laying down on a flat
769
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:48.619
surface helps. And she immediately begins going, well, we have
770
00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:53.179
the neighbors coming over and there's a lot of fighting
771
00:41:53.219 --> 00:41:56.880
about this because he's like, well, you could have told me.
772
00:41:56.889 --> 00:41:58.730
He's like, I told you last week. You didn't tell
773
00:41:58.769 --> 00:42:00.650
me last week. You certainly didn't ask my opinion.
774
00:42:00.670 --> 00:42:03.010
This is every couple I've ever met in couples therapy.
775
00:42:05.769 --> 00:42:08.690
And So they fight for a little bit about that.
776
00:42:08.769 --> 00:42:11.969
And then eventually he says, you know what? Fine. We
777
00:42:11.989 --> 00:42:15.139
can have them over. I'm going to ask him about
778
00:42:15.179 --> 00:42:18.480
the noise they make because every freaking night at around
779
00:42:18.579 --> 00:42:22.539
four in the morning, someone's screaming orgasm wakes us up.
780
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:25.460
And I need to ask about it. I'm kind of
781
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.099
tired of it. And Olivia Wilde says, you will not
782
00:42:28.139 --> 00:42:30.239
bring up. That would make this whole thing socially awkward.
783
00:42:30.260 --> 00:42:31.460
We're not going to do this. We're going to have
784
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:36.489
a perfectly pleasant evening. I have created a charcuterie board. I,
785
00:42:36.610 --> 00:42:38.510
oh crap, I don't have any wine and they're here.
786
00:42:40.150 --> 00:42:42.489
And the other couple is played by Penelope Cruz and
787
00:42:42.530 --> 00:42:47.190
Edward Norton. And they show up and they talk and
788
00:42:47.269 --> 00:42:49.150
Seth Rogen goes out of his way to make everything
789
00:42:49.250 --> 00:42:54.199
awkward by just deciding that the social niceties are out
790
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:56.940
the window tonight. He is going to be as blunt
791
00:42:56.980 --> 00:43:02.360
and honest as possible, which Edward Norton finds delightful. And
792
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.489
so they they then find out that, you know, Penelope
793
00:43:06.530 --> 00:43:11.969
Cruz can't eat meat or cheese or anything. And she's
794
00:43:11.989 --> 00:43:18.849
reduced to eating cocktail olives, basically. And there's a little
795
00:43:18.869 --> 00:43:21.530
bit of, again, sniping, a little bit of banter. They
796
00:43:21.809 --> 00:43:24.710
get to know each other a bit and then. Edward
797
00:43:24.730 --> 00:43:26.130
Norton goes on a bit of a tour of the
798
00:43:26.170 --> 00:43:29.400
house with Olivia Wilde because he kind of cares about
799
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:33.059
certain elements of interior design and decorating. And Penelope Cruz
800
00:43:33.099 --> 00:43:35.639
goes to smoke marijuana with Seth Rogen because it's a
801
00:43:35.659 --> 00:43:38.380
Seth Rogen movie and he is contractually obligated to light
802
00:43:38.420 --> 00:43:44.190
up at least one joint per film he's in. And
803
00:43:44.230 --> 00:43:46.550
they all talk and they kind of hit it off
804
00:43:46.590 --> 00:43:52.230
in various capacities. They reconvene and... At this point, Edward
805
00:43:52.269 --> 00:43:55.130
Norton and Penelope Cruz go, so we really, and it
806
00:43:55.210 --> 00:43:58.469
is revealed that no, this whole thing came together today
807
00:43:58.550 --> 00:44:02.329
when Penelope Cruz met Olivia Wilde in the building. So
808
00:44:02.369 --> 00:44:05.369
there was no prior discussion of this for Seth Rogen's character.
809
00:44:08.389 --> 00:44:11.929
And anyway, they say we came by because we needed
810
00:44:11.949 --> 00:44:14.989
to apologize for all the noise because we know it
811
00:44:15.030 --> 00:44:20.639
gets a little loud. And because Seth Rogen has decided
812
00:44:20.699 --> 00:44:23.559
again that there are no social boundaries tonight, he's, oh yeah,
813
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.639
we talk about the sound in your orgasms all the time.
814
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:28.340
My wife, she never shuts up about them.
815
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:32.119
Penelope Cruz just received the best compliment ever.
816
00:44:34.610 --> 00:44:37.730
And so they ask, so which of you makes this
817
00:44:37.789 --> 00:44:40.829
particular noise? And the two, Edward Norton and Penelope Cruz
818
00:44:40.849 --> 00:44:43.690
look at each other and go, oh, I think that's
819
00:44:43.750 --> 00:44:48.730
Vanessa who makes that noise. And they go, I'm sorry, who?
820
00:44:48.750 --> 00:44:51.869
I'm like, yeah, yeah, we, you know, open marriage. We
821
00:44:51.889 --> 00:44:56.829
have sex parties and the whole nine yards. So they start,
822
00:44:57.329 --> 00:45:00.630
this turns into a bit of a PSA about the
823
00:45:00.670 --> 00:45:03.340
conducting of orgies for a little bit.
824
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:05.699
This is every bunch I've ever been to.
825
00:45:06.539 --> 00:45:07.920
Here's your infomercial segment.
826
00:45:08.260 --> 00:45:08.440
Yes.
827
00:45:09.320 -->
00:45:12.820
And then the swingers say, we'd like to invite you
828
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:14.880
to share a sexual experience with us.
829
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.380
There's a lot of hemming and hawing about it. Because
830
00:45:17.420 --> 00:45:20.719
they've had to sit through these two idiots fighting all night.
831
00:45:20.949 --> 00:45:23.030
And Penelope Cruz is like, yeah, I really don't want
832
00:45:23.050 --> 00:45:24.449
to swing with people if it's going to be a
833
00:45:24.530 --> 00:45:25.809
negative circumstance.
834
00:45:26.909 --> 00:45:29.289
But they kind of decide, yeah, okay, we can try.
835
00:45:29.349 --> 00:45:32.090
So Edward Norton and Olivia Wilde get started. And then
836
00:45:32.269 --> 00:45:34.210
Penelope Cruz and Seth Rogen go dancing.
837
00:45:34.230 --> 00:45:36.719
They do what is called a separate room swap is
838
00:45:36.739 --> 00:45:38.000
what they do. Okay.
839
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:42.039
And then Seth Rogen's back gives out on him because
840
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:43.940
it's previously established it's not great.
841
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:45.840
He fell into his bookshelf is what he did.
842
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:49.659
And his back goes out and none of it's good.
843
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.179
So the whole thing falls apart. They try to fix
844
00:45:52.219 --> 00:45:54.380
his back with mixed results. And then he and Olivia
845
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:57.860
Wilde have another fight. And Penelope Cruz has to is
846
00:45:57.900 --> 00:46:00.739
put in the unfortunate position of now being Mark Radulich, where, OK,
847
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:02.659
I guess I'm hosting a therapy session I did not
848
00:46:02.699 --> 00:46:04.860
sign up for, nor am I getting paid for. Yep.
849
00:46:05.139 --> 00:46:08.360
Welcome to two thirds of my podcast over the last
850
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:08.820
10 years.
851
00:46:09.429 --> 00:46:11.320
You're welcome, by the way, for being the third that
852
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:12.690
do not fall into that category.
853
00:46:13.030 --> 00:46:14.170
Yes, Robert, you're a good boy.
854
00:46:14.190 --> 00:46:15.210
I try.
855
00:46:16.650 --> 00:46:19.030
No, I just had to open up our podcast to
856
00:46:19.070 --> 00:46:21.309
chastise you to please don't attack me tonight for having
857
00:46:21.369 --> 00:46:22.750
opinions or a lifestyle.
858
00:46:25.269 --> 00:46:26.570
Yeah, but I never make you go to therapy. I
859
00:46:26.590 --> 00:46:32.639
never make you therapize me. The fact that you can't
860
00:46:32.659 --> 00:46:34.760
turn it off is a you problem. I never ask
861
00:46:34.820 --> 00:46:35.110
for it.
862
00:46:35.739 --> 00:46:38.239
I am intellectually curious, you bastard.
863
00:46:38.260 --> 00:46:44.269
That's fine. I never dump my trauma into these podcasts.
864
00:46:44.309 --> 00:46:46.679
Anyway. No, I beat it out of you.
865
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:48.320
Yes, with a stick.
866
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:51.820
Hey, remember
our Tomorrowland podcast? Good times, huh?
867
00:46:52.300 --> 00:46:55.860
Yeah. Yeah, when you decided you were a dog with
868
00:46:55.909 --> 00:46:57.969
a bone on that one. Like, no, no, no, come on,
869
00:46:58.030 --> 00:46:58.690
dig with me.
870
00:46:58.650 --> 00:47:00.329
A little bit. No, no, yeah, I reached down into
871
00:47:00.349 --> 00:47:02.289
your fucking throat. I'm like, I'm pulling out all of
872
00:47:02.329 --> 00:47:03.889
your trauma.
873
00:47:04.050 --> 00:47:10.510
Something is getting to here. Yeah, this thing. So she
874
00:47:10.530 --> 00:47:14.989
winds up kind of therapizing them through some of their problems.
875
00:47:15.070 --> 00:47:18.039
And Seth Rogen is a good little boy about the
876
00:47:18.420 --> 00:47:22.599
male humiliation ritual that's become more prevalent. I'm glad you
877
00:47:22.619 --> 00:47:24.579
found a version of this that you enjoy, by the way, Mark.
878
00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:28.949
And ultimately they kind of conclude, yeah, our marriage is
879
00:47:28.969 --> 00:47:31.030
pretty much done. We're only staying together for the kid.
880
00:47:32.539 --> 00:47:35.139
And Penelope Cruz, who should know better as a therapist, says, well,
881
00:47:35.179 --> 00:47:36.860
is it better for a kid to, you know, have
882
00:47:36.900 --> 00:47:38.639
two parents who don't like each other or to have
883
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:41.070
separate parents who are happy? And the statistical data on
884
00:47:41.090 --> 00:47:43.409
that is actually a lot murkier than you might than
885
00:47:43.469 --> 00:47:46.369
the emotional language. Hang on.
886
00:47:46.869 --> 00:47:48.929
No, she says something more important than that. She says
887
00:47:49.289 --> 00:47:52.090
the relationship as you are currently participating in it is dead.
888
00:47:52.250 --> 00:47:55.010
This isn't going to work. Either start a new relationship
889
00:47:55.150 --> 00:47:57.909
with each other or separate. But what you're doing now
890
00:47:58.090 --> 00:48:00.710
is toxic and it's hurting everybody involved, including your kid.
891
00:48:01.210 --> 00:48:07.949
Yeah. So they leave and they sort of, it's left
892
00:48:08.010 --> 00:48:10.230
a little bit ambiguous what's going to happen next, whether
893
00:48:10.250 --> 00:48:12.829
they actually divorce or they actually decide to, you know,
894
00:48:12.849 --> 00:48:13.489
move forward.
895
00:48:13.530 --> 00:48:17.030
Part of what's motivating Seth Rogen is he was in
896
00:48:17.070 --> 00:48:20.159
a band. I couldn't tell in the movie or not,
897
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:22.159
if he says why the band didn't work out, but
898
00:48:22.179 --> 00:48:22.559
it didn't work.
899
00:48:22.579 --> 00:48:25.719
He never said it's never enumerated. He's just a sad
900
00:48:25.739 --> 00:48:27.219
guy whose band didn't go anywhere.
901
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.159
Right. So, you know, so he's another like Kevin James
902
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.449
in the first movie. So, At a certain point in life,
903
00:48:32.489 --> 00:48:36.050
he died. And he's been walking around as a zombie
904
00:48:36.090 --> 00:48:38.650
ever since. And one of the extensions of that, much
905
00:48:38.670 --> 00:48:40.909
like Kevin James with the opera singing, as you can
906
00:48:40.929 --> 00:48:44.429
see some of the accidental parallels here, is he stopped
907
00:48:44.449 --> 00:48:47.449
playing the piano. So at the end of the movie,
908
00:48:47.989 --> 00:48:50.239
and so part of Olivia Wilde's big issue with him is,
909
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:58.559
you Where they don't want to not be married to
910
00:48:58.579 --> 00:49:00.500
the person that they're with, but they'd like that person
911
00:49:00.539 --> 00:49:03.519
to come back to life. That's Olivia Wilde's kind of
912
00:49:03.579 --> 00:49:07.139
whole thing. And why she had eyes for Ed Norton
913
00:49:07.260 --> 00:49:11.010
was because her husband seemed to not have eyes for
914
00:49:11.050 --> 00:49:14.070
her anymore. Though he has a different interpretation, and we'll
915
00:49:14.090 --> 00:49:18.170
get to that momentarily. This is all stuff I've heard before.
916
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:19.119
This is every one of them.
917
00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:22.980
Oh, yeah, this is... They managed to hit just about
918
00:49:23.260 --> 00:49:28.989
every single bullet point for the, like, why marriages break
919
00:49:29.030 --> 00:49:30.869
apart in this one.
920
00:49:30.909 --> 00:49:32.530
I'll say it now. Seth Rogen's like, I ask to
921
00:49:32.550 --> 00:49:33.989
have sex with you all the time. I stopped asking
922
00:49:34.010 --> 00:49:35.489
because you keep saying no, and she was like, who
923
00:49:35.510 --> 00:49:39.170
the fuck wants to have sex with somebody who's fucking dead-eyed?
924
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:44.710
And sad and, like, and doesn't put any effort in.
925
00:49:44.739 --> 00:49:48.039
I'm sorry, rolling over and asking for sex is not intimacy, asshole.
926
00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:51.300
You know, it's a lot of that.
927
00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:54.780
It is, the whole sex argument, it's one of those
928
00:49:54.820 --> 00:49:57.139
weird things where as soon as, like, it starts falling apart,
929
00:49:57.179 --> 00:50:02.590
it falls apart incredibly fast because for women, generally speaking,
930
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:06.780
For women, sex is an expression of the emotional intimacy
931
00:50:06.820 --> 00:50:09.960
that they feel. Men feel emotionally close because of sex.
932
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:14.119
And when that works harmoniously, it's great. As soon as
933
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:18.929
it falls apart, neither person can get started and neither
934
00:50:19.010 --> 00:50:19.630
one wants to.
935
00:50:19.929 --> 00:50:23.289
Well, here's what I tell people in couple therapy. Intimacy
936
00:50:23.349 --> 00:50:27.389
begins with knowing each other's interior world. When you stop
937
00:50:27.429 --> 00:50:30.239
talking to each other, like sex is the end result
938
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:33.119
of intimacy. Not the beginning. And everyone thinks that intimacy
939
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:36.619
is just physical touch. It's not. It's the end, not
940
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.889
the beginning of that journey. If you're talking, if you're communicating,
941
00:50:40.610 --> 00:50:43.190
if you're sharing, if you're experiencing, at the end of that,
942
00:50:44.869 --> 00:50:48.050
your partner will more than likely be very turned on
943
00:50:48.110 --> 00:50:50.449
and very attracted and want to have sex, barring any
944
00:50:50.489 --> 00:50:54.889
unforeseen calamity or outside issues. Anyway, so the point of
945
00:50:54.949 --> 00:50:59.440
all this was, he died... And he doesn't play the
946
00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:02.239
piano anymore. And she brings that up. She was just like,
947
00:51:02.380 --> 00:51:04.239
I have been watching you walk around like a zombie
948
00:51:04.300 --> 00:51:08.219
for upteen years. And it's all because your fucking band
949
00:51:08.260 --> 00:51:10.139
didn't break out as if there was no life after that.
950
00:51:11.940 --> 00:51:13.820
So at the very end of the movie, after they've
951
00:51:14.019 --> 00:51:16.179
like decided they're not going to stay in the same
952
00:51:16.219 --> 00:51:19.969
room tonight, he goes and plays his piano. And, you know,
953
00:51:20.010 --> 00:51:23.110
realizing that I got to pull the plane here out
954
00:51:23.130 --> 00:51:27.139
of the, out of the nosedive. Or, you know, whatever
955
00:51:27.179 --> 00:51:30.360
everyone said about me tonight is absolutely true. I'm basically dead.
956
00:51:30.980 --> 00:51:32.019
So he goes and he sits down and he plays
957
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:35.039
the piano. And she hears him play. And in, like,
958
00:51:35.139 --> 00:51:37.750
a moment of repair, she sits down with him. They
959
00:51:37.789 --> 00:51:39.670
play together a little bit. And then she puts his
960
00:51:39.710 --> 00:51:44.530
head on her shoulder and Finn, curtain down. So that's
961
00:51:44.630 --> 00:51:46.090
the invite. Is there anything else you wanted to say
962
00:51:46.130 --> 00:51:47.530
about it before I jump in?
963
00:51:47.829 --> 00:51:50.960
Again, the plot is fairly straightforward. We just got into
964
00:51:51.019 --> 00:51:54.559
details because that's how we have to talk about it.
965
00:51:55.590 --> 00:51:58.889
So this is right now probably my top five for
966
00:51:58.909 --> 00:52:02.610
the year. No surprise there, I'm sure. I loved it.
967
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:05.440
I got done with this movie and went, I know
968
00:52:05.500 --> 00:52:08.579
exactly why Mark loves this movie. Not a knock. Like,
969
00:52:08.659 --> 00:52:12.519
this is a you movie through and through. Yeah.
970
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:18.630
So the low-hanging fruit is, oh, Mark liked it because
971
00:52:18.650 --> 00:52:22.329
there's a lot of sex and relationship stuff in it. Yeah, sure.
972
00:52:22.429 --> 00:52:22.869
Partially.
973
00:52:23.489 --> 00:52:24.829
You know why I really liked it? Because it stayed
974
00:52:24.849 --> 00:52:27.050
like a play. And I'm realizing just how much I
975
00:52:27.110 --> 00:52:30.329
like a good, dramatic talky play. It's why, like, when you're,
976
00:52:30.429 --> 00:52:33.250
you know, banging a shoe over Aaron Sorkin and I'm
977
00:52:33.269 --> 00:52:35.030
looking at you like, what the fuck with the fire
978
00:52:35.070 --> 00:52:37.920
and brimstone with this guy? Like, part of it for
979
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:42.260
me is, but I like his dialogue. I like his sing-songy...
980
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:46.380
I don't want to re-litigate the social network. I like
981
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:50.909
his sing-songy stage play type dialogue. This is so much
982
00:52:50.949 --> 00:52:54.489
better than Aaron Sorkin. This is, like, miles away better.
983
00:52:55.420 --> 00:52:58.179
And I think that's because it was adapted from a play. Like,
984
00:52:58.199 --> 00:52:59.699
I think it's like a play and then became a
985
00:52:59.739 --> 00:53:03.360
Spanish movie. And then this is a remake of that movie.
986
00:53:03.699 --> 00:53:07.679
So there's a lot of like play theater stage elements
987
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:12.530
to this. It's in this one apartment. So it's a
988
00:53:12.570 --> 00:53:14.670
lot of just watching them walk around this place, but
989
00:53:14.690 --> 00:53:17.090
I never get bored with the scenery because they're always
990
00:53:17.110 --> 00:53:19.050
doing something with it. It's always shot a certain way.
991
00:53:19.429 --> 00:53:22.409
This is, this is very well directed. I hope the
992
00:53:22.449 --> 00:53:25.000
director of this, this is Olivia Wilde, the, I hope
993
00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:28.219
Olivia Wilde gets a nomination for Best Director. She may
994
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:30.780
not win it. Probably shouldn't win it. But I do
995
00:53:30.820 --> 00:53:34.469
hope she's recognized because this is wonderfully directed. The way
996
00:53:34.510 --> 00:53:38.949
that they stage and block the four actors in this, outstanding.
997
00:53:39.050 --> 00:53:42.550
I know you hate Seth Rogen, but other than Kevin James,
998
00:53:43.150 --> 00:53:48.960
if the casting sheet is dead-eyed, middle-aged man who's fat
999
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:54.599
and smokes pot and is basically a zombie....
1000
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:59.679
Seth Rogen, top five actor for that. And here's the thing.
1001
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.519
Everything they asked him to do, he does well. Regardless
1002
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:05.880
of your personal opinion of the guy, regardless of whether
1003
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:08.530
or not he didn't show very much range in the invite,
1004
00:54:08.550 --> 00:54:11.809
I don't know. I bought him as the character he played.
1005
00:54:12.670 --> 00:54:15.429
I thought it was dead on. And I think working
1006
00:54:15.449 --> 00:54:16.769
with Olivia Wilde was perfect.
1007
00:54:17.579 --> 00:54:21.360
Here's my only thing about that. First of all, Seth
1008
00:54:21.389 --> 00:54:23.449
Rogen didn't quite make me want to claw my eyes
1009
00:54:23.550 --> 00:54:27.909
out most of this movie, so there's that. I'm still
1010
00:54:27.989 --> 00:54:31.650
stuck with the reality that literally anyone in his same
1011
00:54:31.690 --> 00:54:33.630
position would have done a better job than Seth Rogen.
1012
00:54:34.250 --> 00:54:36.230
Who do you get for this? And I don't want
1013
00:54:36.250 --> 00:54:38.610
to have a long discussion about this, but who do
1014
00:54:38.630 --> 00:54:41.130
you get? Fucking Ant-Man?
1015
00:54:41.210 --> 00:54:44.429
You could have done Paul Rudd. Chris Evans.
1016
00:54:46.110 --> 00:54:48.619
What the fuck? The Office. Steve Carell.
1017
00:54:49.739 --> 00:54:52.780
You could have done... Steve Carell does dramas quite well, yeah.
1018
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:55.429
Steve Carell....
1019
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:56.579
Who's fat?
1020
00:54:58.380 --> 00:55:01.960
You don't need fat. You just need not superhero shape.
1021
00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:05.840
None of the Chris... Because the cinema... Because the language
1022
00:55:05.860 --> 00:55:07.400
of cinema at this point is if you don't look
1023
00:55:07.420 --> 00:55:10.840
like Chris Hemsworth, you're kind of a schlub. Sure.
1024
00:55:10.860 --> 00:55:16.730
All right. So back to things. Olivia Wilde. I liked
1025
00:55:16.750 --> 00:55:19.639
her in... But she's kind of a villain. And I
1026
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:23.000
want your sex. I loved her in this. I thought
1027
00:55:23.099 --> 00:55:27.239
as a middle-aged and erotic woman... Who feels unloved and unseen...
1028
00:55:28.260 --> 00:55:33.630
Spot fucking on. You have to have a masterful... A
1029
00:55:37.829 --> 00:55:40.550
masterful performance of dialogue... To make this movie work. And
1030
00:55:40.650 --> 00:55:45.039
she does that. Olivia Wilde... I haven't seen her in much.
1031
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:46.920
I know she was in one of the Tron movies...
1032
00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:50.960
But until this year, I couldn't have spotted Olivia Wilde
1033
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.380
in a fucking lineup. And now I've seen two things
1034
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:56.199
with her. What an exceptional actress she is. I don't
1035
00:55:56.219 --> 00:55:58.550
know if she doesn't have a good agent or if
1036
00:55:58.590 --> 00:56:01.050
she's just really picky about her parts considering she's within
1037
00:56:01.110 --> 00:56:03.650
this and I want your sex this year. That's probably
1038
00:56:03.690 --> 00:56:07.130
closer to the truth. I know she's done some directing.
1039
00:56:08.050 --> 00:56:14.460
She's also barely out of... This is Hollywood BS, mind you.
1040
00:56:15.260 --> 00:56:15.480
But.
1041
00:56:16.369 --> 00:56:19.489
for several years she was kind of soft blackballed for
1042
00:56:19.510 --> 00:56:22.690
being incredibly difficult to work with she was on house
1043
00:56:22.750 --> 00:56:26.219
for a handful of seasons and between that and a
1044
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:28.300
couple other things she did she got a really negative
1045
00:56:28.340 --> 00:56:30.699
reputation that she finally seems to be clawing her way.
1046
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.860
Out of well you know when you're allowed to direct
1047
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.019
and act in your own stuff you're less difficult to
1048
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:37.099
work with i would imagine plus this is a really
1049
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:40.400
meaty role like for what this is for as small
1050
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:44.420
as it is this is wildly relatable for most people
1051
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.159
who have any kind of lived life experience.
1052
00:56:47.739 --> 00:56:48.260
It is.
1053
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:51.860
I mean, everything that Seth Rogen and Olivia Wilde said
1054
00:56:51.900 --> 00:56:55.449
to each other, I've heard before a billion times. Which
1055
00:56:55.510 --> 00:56:58.510
means most married couples have said this to each other
1056
00:56:58.530 --> 00:57:01.130
across this country for decades.
1057
00:57:01.170 --> 00:57:04.090
Yeah, as far as the writing goes, it is impeccable.
1058
00:57:04.530 --> 00:57:07.969
Yeah. So I want to talk about Penelope Cruz and
1059
00:57:08.050 --> 00:57:10.050
Ed Norton. I've never been a huge fan of Penelope Cruz.
1060
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:15.099
And when I saw she was in this, the last
1061
00:57:15.139 --> 00:57:19.199
time I remember thinking about Penelope Cruz was the Tom
1062
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:23.300
Cruise movie, Vanilla Sky, where she was this big, and
1063
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:26.239
she had a really thick accent, and I was disinterested
1064
00:57:26.260 --> 00:57:28.059
in her as an actress because I had Selma Hayek.
1065
00:57:31.409 --> 00:57:33.869
So I had no interest in Penelope Cruz.
1066
00:57:34.909 --> 00:57:38.630
For 30 years, you've been just ignoring her? Yes. Yes.
1067
00:57:39.650 --> 00:57:42.969
And I feel sheepish now because she's excellent in this.
1068
00:57:43.610 --> 00:57:46.050
She's actually, I mean, her accent's not as thick as
1069
00:57:46.110 --> 00:57:46.650
it used to be.
1070
00:57:46.670 --> 00:57:48.170
Yeah, that was a big help.
1071
00:57:49.010 --> 00:57:52.239
She's actually a much better actress or actor in her
1072
00:57:52.300 --> 00:57:54.639
native language. If you've ever seen any of her Spanish
1073
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:55.639
language stuff, it's great.
1074
00:57:56.739 --> 00:57:59.159
I have not, but I'll take a note. So this
1075
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:00.920
person wants to know, has anyone seen the new Tom
1076
00:58:00.940 --> 00:58:03.340
Cruise movie yet? Yes, we saw Digger. We've already reviewed it.
1077
00:58:03.340 --> 00:58:08.940
It's in the archives. Thank you. So back to this movie. Yeah,
1078
00:58:08.980 --> 00:58:15.789
she's excellent in this. Ed Norton and her stuff... I
1079
00:58:15.829 --> 00:58:19.190
know this from personal experience. The stuff they're saying about
1080
00:58:19.929 --> 00:58:24.010
the kink and ethically non-monogamous community, spot on. I was
1081
00:58:24.050 --> 00:58:26.880
looking for stuff to criticize. Didn't really find anything.
1082
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.980
They read the correct wikis and copy-pasted the information.
1083
00:58:33.449 --> 00:58:35.130
I'm going to give the people who wrote this more
1084
00:58:35.170 --> 00:58:37.289
credit than that, seeing as it's the third iteration of
1085
00:58:37.329 --> 00:58:39.489
the thing that somebody else did in a different language.
1086
00:58:42.090 --> 00:58:43.710
And I don't know anything about that person, so you
1087
00:58:43.750 --> 00:58:46.070
dismissing him is you, but I'm going to assume this
1088
00:58:46.090 --> 00:58:48.889
guy had some knowledge about this when he wrote the
1089
00:58:48.909 --> 00:58:49.570
fucking play.
1090
00:58:49.989 --> 00:58:52.170
Or hired the right consultant, if you'd rather put it
1091
00:58:52.230 --> 00:58:54.329
that way. Okay.
1092
00:58:54.969 --> 00:58:58.230
So either way, they performed the dialogue well, and what
1093
00:58:58.269 --> 00:59:01.789
was in the dialogue seemed accurate to me from where
1094
00:59:01.849 --> 00:59:04.239
I was sitting. Ed Norton's line at the end of
1095
00:59:04.260 --> 00:59:08.119
the movie, Golly, guys, we just wanted to see the
1096
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:12.989
apartment and fuck a little. I've heard some version of
1097
00:59:13.050 --> 00:59:16.590
that multiple times in my life. Said almost the exact
1098
00:59:16.630 --> 00:59:19.889
same fucking way. I laughed hard at that line just
1099
00:59:19.909 --> 00:59:20.949
because it was so familiar to me.
1100
00:59:22.380 --> 00:59:25.880
I imagine, like, you don't identify with Edward Norton's character
1101
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.079
in every scene, but there's a handful where I feel
1102
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.389
like you were like, oh, my spirit avatar is here
1103
00:59:30.469 --> 00:59:33.349
on screen. Including me while I was almost in a
1104
00:59:33.369 --> 00:59:34.809
threesome against my wishes again.
1105
00:59:36.349 --> 00:59:38.050
Once again, I was in a threesome I didn't want
1106
00:59:38.090 --> 00:59:47.550
to be in. My motto of 2023. Anyway, I mean, like,
1107
00:59:47.650 --> 00:59:50.070
his journey, the stuff that he talks about where he
1108
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:52.989
is talking about like not being there for his wife.
1109
00:59:53.030 --> 00:59:55.849
And by the time he, by the time he figured
1110
00:59:55.869 --> 00:59:58.269
that out, it was well too late, you know, and
1111
00:59:58.309 --> 01:00:02.369
that he was now trying to, he was trying to
1112
01:00:03.210 --> 01:00:06.719
live in a way that there were no regrets and
1113
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:08.360
that
he was there for his partner. And does he
1114
01:00:08.380 --> 01:00:08.980
always get it right?
1115
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:09.059
No.
1116
01:00:09.380 --> 01:00:11.739
And him and Penelope, Penelope Cruz bang heads a couple
1117
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:13.840
of times. So that was good stuff there. They actually
1118
01:00:13.860 --> 01:00:15.659
had really good chemistry, Penelope Cruz and Ed Norton. I
1119
01:00:15.699 --> 01:00:19.860
believe that couple, um, At the end of the movie
1120
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:22.139
where Seth Rogen and Olivia Wilde are basically having a
1121
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:25.679
couple therapy sessions with Penelope Cruz, I actually thought that
1122
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:30.280
was well handled. Because I've been in that position a lot.
1123
01:00:30.940 --> 01:00:34.280
And I think the way they made Penelope Cruz behave
1124
01:00:34.340 --> 01:00:36.539
in that scene was good. Where she was like, I
1125
01:00:36.579 --> 01:00:38.460
want to de-escalate this so that there's not a domestic
1126
01:00:38.500 --> 01:00:43.510
violence while I'm still here. But I'm not your fucking therapist.
1127
01:00:43.550 --> 01:00:45.050
I'm not going to be your therapist. You guys need
1128
01:00:45.070 --> 01:00:49.070
to figure this the fuck out. But she said something
1129
01:00:49.110 --> 01:00:51.739
really specific that I want to focus on. And when
1130
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.780
she said, do you guys hear how you're talking to
1131
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:56.420
each other right now? You're being so cruel to one another.
1132
01:00:57.260 --> 01:01:00.320
I say that all the time. I was like, the
1133
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:02.380
first thing about being in a cup in couples therapy
1134
01:01:02.579 --> 01:01:07.050
is remember you love each other. I say this a lot.
1135
01:01:07.070 --> 01:01:09.349
I said this one couple today. I'm just like, I,
1136
01:01:09.590 --> 01:01:11.730
I'm like, I assume you guys still like each other
1137
01:01:11.789 --> 01:01:13.239
a little bit. Why don't you try acting like it?
1138
01:01:13.409 --> 01:01:16.530
I said it more professional than that, but that was
1139
01:01:16.550 --> 01:01:21.429
the gist of it. Like, Stop assuming the other person's
1140
01:01:21.530 --> 01:01:24.440
acting in bad faith. They're your partner, your romantic partner.
1141
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:26.920
Stop assuming they have it in for you. Trust me,
1142
01:01:26.940 --> 01:01:31.539
I know what that feels like. It's wildly different. When
1143
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:33.420
you're in a situation where your partner is acting in
1144
01:01:33.460 --> 01:01:37.610
bad faith, okay. But if that's your default assumption and
1145
01:01:37.630 --> 01:01:39.510
that may not be the case, you're going to wreck
1146
01:01:39.530 --> 01:01:43.179
your marriage faster than anything else. And she brings that up.
1147
01:01:43.510 --> 01:01:45.570
She's like, stop being cruel to each other. Stop talking
1148
01:01:45.590 --> 01:01:48.199
to each other like you're the enemy. That's something I
1149
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:50.510
have to remind people of on an ongoing basis. Something
1150
01:01:50.530 --> 01:01:52.409
I've had to remind you of with you and me
1151
01:01:52.530 --> 01:01:55.090
on an ongoing basis is we are partners. You're not
1152
01:01:55.110 --> 01:01:57.969
the enemy. Stop treating me like the enemy. Don't treat
1153
01:01:57.989 --> 01:02:01.110
your partner like the enemy. You can disagree. You can negotiate.
1154
01:02:01.150 --> 01:02:05.699
That's healthy. Once you start fighting, once you start attacking,
1155
01:02:06.659 --> 01:02:10.440
once you start calling names and, you know, and trying
1156
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:12.639
to hurt the other person, now it's a UFC fight.
1157
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.730
Now the object is to just kill the opponent. That's
1158
01:02:16.769 --> 01:02:20.269
no good for a romantic relationship. That's unfortunately where a
1159
01:02:20.289 --> 01:02:23.230
lot of people get to. That's the point she brings
1160
01:02:23.269 --> 01:02:25.769
up in The Invite, and it's one of my favorite
1161
01:02:25.789 --> 01:02:28.150
parts of the movie. I'm going to shut up so
1162
01:02:28.170 --> 01:02:30.070
that you can talk about what you want to talk about,
1163
01:02:30.090 --> 01:02:35.730
but I don't want to commit to this being the
1164
01:02:35.750 --> 01:02:37.250
number one movie of the year for me right now,
1165
01:02:37.730 --> 01:02:44.119
but it's in the top five for sure. I can't
1166
01:02:44.139 --> 01:02:49.710
think of a single thing wrong With this movie. If
1167
01:02:49.929 --> 01:02:52.050
I understand. If you don't like the content. Not you Robert.
1168
01:02:52.090 --> 01:02:53.940
But you anyone. If you don't like the content of it.
1169
01:02:53.949 --> 01:02:56.739
Or you don't like this style of movie. And that's
1170
01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.679
a subjective thing. But objectively from a craft point of view.
1171
01:03:01.019 --> 01:03:02.760
Other than maybe it's a little longer than it should be.
1172
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:05.980
Like it could have been tighter. Like I got a
1173
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.099
gun to my fucking head. If I have to quibble
1174
01:03:08.139 --> 01:03:11.719
about something. Yeah this could have done a tighter pass.
1175
01:03:13.139 --> 01:03:15.780
Outside of that. Darn near perfect. Five stars in the
1176
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:17.079
Tokyo Dome. Robert?
1177
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:21.400
I don't have a whole lot to talk about with
1178
01:03:21.420 --> 01:03:23.320
this one, believe it or not.
1179
01:03:23.619 --> 01:03:24.659
Really? After all this buildup?
1180
01:03:26.510 --> 01:03:28.550
Look, I can't control your expectations.
1181
01:03:30.550 --> 01:03:30.849
Okay.
1182
01:03:31.530 --> 01:03:38.070
Sorry. Look, my gripes about it, if I wanted to
1183
01:03:38.409 --> 01:03:40.230
make a few of them for the sake of making
them,
1184
01:03:40.349 --> 01:03:44.190
they kind of go as follows. One, cast anyone other
1185
01:03:44.230 --> 01:03:47.550
than Seth Rogen. That's a blanket bit of advice I
1186
01:03:47.590 --> 01:03:51.710
have for pretty much everything. That's your subjective prejudice against
1187
01:03:51.750 --> 01:03:56.530
the man. I don't find him tragic enough in this role.
1188
01:03:56.670 --> 01:03:58.530
I don't find him sympathetic enough for me to care
1189
01:03:58.590 --> 01:03:59.460
about his tragedy.
1190
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:03.420
If you were casting, who would you have cast? We
1191
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:05.559
don't need to go through the list again of the
1192
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:07.360
people or someone else, but who would you have picked?
1193
01:04:10.619 --> 01:04:13.300
Someone who can do the downtrodden and then like supposed
1194
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:15.469
to kind of come back to light. Robert Downey Jr.
1195
01:04:15.489 --> 01:04:17.969
I mean, this movie didn't have the budget for him,
1196
01:04:18.050 --> 01:04:21.030
but come on. If he wanted to actually act again,
1197
01:04:21.050 --> 01:04:24.320
I mean, like not just wear a mask and cash
1198
01:04:24.420 --> 01:04:27.619
a hundred million dollar check to be to be Victor
1199
01:04:27.659 --> 01:04:28.119
Von Doom.
1200
01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:30.599
Not in a million years would I have thought you
1201
01:04:30.619 --> 01:04:31.610
were going to say Robert Downey Jr.
1202
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:38.440
He can act. People forget this about him. He genuinely can.
1203
01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:40.519
He just doesn't most of the time because everyone just
1204
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:41.500
wants him to be Iron Man.
1205
01:04:41.780 --> 01:04:44.340
Who's Stallone right now? And I don't mean Stallone the body.
1206
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:51.619
I mean Stallone mush mouth. Like early... 70s Rocky era
1207
01:04:51.659 --> 01:04:55.550
mush mouth John Rambo Stallone. Who is that right now?
1208
01:04:59.250 --> 01:05:02.219
The... Yeah, the guy who's like, we all think he
1209
01:05:02.260 --> 01:05:03.940
might be the next Brando kind of deal.
1210
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:07.659
Yeah, an actor whose performances tend to be with marbles
1211
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:08.139
in his mouth.
1212
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:10.710
Why are you fixating on the....
1213
01:05:13.849 --> 01:05:15.590
I'm thinking about somebody who.
1214
01:05:15.829 --> 01:05:18.489
The level of elocution is generally at this point higher
1215
01:05:18.530 --> 01:05:22.289
than what Stallone was giving us at that time.
1216
01:05:22.309 --> 01:05:28.420
Okay, but Stallone also had... kind of an everyman thing
1217
01:05:28.460 --> 01:05:30.159
going for him when he did Rocky and when he
1218
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:30.719
did Rambo.
1219
01:05:31.019 --> 01:05:31.199
Yeah.
1220
01:05:31.219 --> 01:05:34.480
That's what I'm saying. Like, who's Stallone now?
1221
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:38.269
Yeah, that's... Well, you don't just need Stallone now. You
1222
01:05:38.289 --> 01:05:40.030
need someone who can play, you know, the 40s. And
1223
01:05:41.690 --> 01:05:43.929
I know Robert Downey Jr. is closer to 60s, isn't
1224
01:05:43.949 --> 01:05:45.889
like in his 60s, but it's Hollywood. So, you know,
1225
01:05:46.050 --> 01:05:48.320
we kind of fudge that a little bit. But, okay, no,
1226
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:53.119
that's a fair question. So let's... Let's kind of unpack that.
1227
01:05:53.179 --> 01:05:57.389
Who in their, you know, 40s... Would you get to
1228
01:05:57.429 --> 01:06:00.789
be this, you know, downtrodden?
1229
01:06:01.829 --> 01:06:03.750
Like, I don't want to go Robert Pattinson because, A,
1230
01:06:03.789 --> 01:06:07.809
I just saw him in the drama. B, I don't know. Like,
1231
01:06:08.030 --> 01:06:11.429
he doesn't feel like middle-aged and dead-eyed to me. I
1232
01:06:11.449 --> 01:06:14.159
think Robert Pattinson's a good actor, so he'd do fine.
1233
01:06:14.179 --> 01:06:15.980
He could do it, but no, no, I get what
1234
01:06:16.019 --> 01:06:16.440
you're saying.
1235
01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:19.400
I need somebody whose soul has been removed from his body.
1236
01:06:21.780 --> 01:06:27.630
Oh, Johnny Depp. Ugh. No, no, no, bear in mind. Again,
1237
01:06:27.670 --> 01:06:30.150
Johnny Depp's another guy that people forget can act because
1238
01:06:30.170 --> 01:06:31.789
everyone just wants him to do Jack Sparrow.
1239
01:06:33.090 --> 01:06:37.010
Yeah, but isn't Johnny Depp also, like, 60 now? And
1240
01:06:37.030 --> 01:06:39.289
likes to do funny voices? Have you seen the fucking
1241
01:06:39.309 --> 01:06:40.230
Ebeneezer Scrooge?
1242
01:06:40.730 --> 01:06:43.690
I have, and I... Oh, no.
1243
01:06:43.789 --> 01:06:45.769
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. First of all,
1244
01:06:45.949 --> 01:06:47.889
can we stop with a fucking Christmas Carol already?
1245
01:06:48.570 --> 01:06:51.070
No, I'm fine with more versions of a Christmas Carol.
1246
01:06:51.110 --> 01:06:53.510
It's one of those things that I don't mind gets readapted, but.
1247
01:06:54.110 --> 01:06:57.070
Alright, so who's in, like, the Paul Rudd category, but, like, dead-eyed?
1248
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:00.329
Paul Rudd's pretty dead-eyed. There's not a lot going on
1249
01:07:00.349 --> 01:07:00.869
up there.
1250
01:07:00.909 --> 01:07:02.710
But he's already done this. He did it with the
1251
01:07:02.869 --> 01:07:06.269
one cold blonde chick who kind of reminds me of
1252
01:07:06.349 --> 01:07:06.809
Ann Coulter.
1253
01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:11.400
Okay.
1254
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:14.079
We've seen this out of him already.
1255
01:07:14.260 --> 01:07:16.739
Okay, so you want someone that you've never seen this
1256
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:19.079
kind of performance from before, but you think could reasonably
1257
01:07:19.139 --> 01:07:19.449
do it?
1258
01:07:19.820 --> 01:07:22.010
So again, I don't want to reuse Kevin
James, but
1259
01:07:22.050 --> 01:07:24.050
Kevin James in Solo Mia was what I'm kind of
1260
01:07:24.070 --> 01:07:24.409
going for.
1261
01:07:24.550 --> 01:07:27.250
Yeah, yeah, okay. No, no, I get what you're going for. Again,
1262
01:07:27.630 --> 01:07:29.619
looks like the everyman. Mm-hmm.
1263
01:07:30.980 --> 01:07:32.639
I was thinking maybe, like, the guy, I don't know
1264
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:34.260
if he's too old for this, but the guy from maybe,
1265
01:07:35.539 --> 01:07:40.340
who was in Mike and Molly, who's lost a lot
1266
01:07:40.380 --> 01:07:42.659
of weight from what I understood.
1267
01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:46.530
Dude, like, if you were to do this, like, 20,
1268
01:07:46.530 --> 01:07:48.650
I can't quite say 20 years ago, like 15 years ago,
1269
01:07:48.670 --> 01:07:50.329
it would have been John Goodman. And he would have
1270
01:07:50.349 --> 01:07:50.670
been great.
1271
01:07:50.889 --> 01:07:52.750
See, John Goodman was somebody I was thinking of, but
1272
01:07:52.949 --> 01:07:54.429
he looks like Skeletor now, and he's 100.
1273
01:07:54.409 --> 01:07:57.369
Yeah, he's too old now, but John Goodman is, like,
1274
01:07:58.150 --> 01:07:59.530
would have been maybe the right choice.
1275
01:08:00.739 --> 01:08:03.219
Okay, so we have somebody who's participating in the chat
1276
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:07.960
with us here, and they said Shia LaBeouf. And not
1277
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:08.559
a bad call.
1278
01:08:08.900 --> 01:08:11.179
Actually, no, yeah. Very much could work.
1279
01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:15.139
Okay, so two people, both are in the Conners. Johnny
1280
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:19.409
Galecki from The Big Bang Theory. And the guy who
1281
01:08:19.470 --> 01:08:24.689
played whose name I can't remember, but the actor on
1282
01:08:24.729 --> 01:08:28.449
The Conners, who is Sarah Michelle Gilbert's husband.
1283
01:08:29.250 --> 01:08:30.510
I have not seen any of those.
1284
01:08:30.529 --> 01:08:32.800
He is built like Seth Rogen, but he's like a
1285
01:08:32.819 --> 01:08:36.239
better actor. And he's definitely that that that fucking show
1286
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:37.180
what that did to him.
1287
01:08:37.739 --> 01:08:43.520
You could the guy who was the dad in Young Sheldon, maybe.
1288
01:08:43.539 --> 01:08:46.930
Oh, he seems a little old for that, don't you think?
1289
01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:49.079
I don't know.
1290
01:08:49.539 --> 01:08:52.220
Look, I'm reaching here because I've never seen Young Sheldon
1291
01:08:52.260 --> 01:08:55.149
in its entirety. I've caught a few things here and there.
1292
01:08:55.189 --> 01:09:00.300
I would love to see this with Johnny Golucky. Johnny
1293
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:01.819
Galecki now after, you know.
1294
01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:04.720
Why don't you ask for Andrew Dice Clay while you're
1295
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:05.640
at it?
1296
01:09:06.020 --> 01:09:08.729
Okay. Andrew Dice Clay is an octogenarian. God bless him.
1297
01:09:08.750 --> 01:09:10.109
Gilbert Gottfried chiming in.
1298
01:09:10.689 --> 01:09:13.529
Oh, shut up. I don't want to be a swinger.
1299
01:09:13.550 --> 01:09:16.869
All right. Move on. No Seth Rogen.
1300
01:09:17.850 --> 01:09:20.810
Replace Seth Rogen. You're right. Tighten this up. We spend
1301
01:09:20.829 --> 01:09:22.609
a little bit too much time kind of cutting back
1302
01:09:22.649 --> 01:09:25.090
and forth in a few different places. Like, okay, we
1303
01:09:25.109 --> 01:09:28.939
get it. They're bonding individually. We don't need, I don't
1304
01:09:28.949 --> 01:09:32.000
need four different scenes of Penelope Cruz trying to pretend
1305
01:09:32.020 --> 01:09:34.939
she's sexually attracted to Seth Rogen while getting high on marijuana.
1306
01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:40.659
Like let's move this along a little bit. I think
1307
01:09:40.699 --> 01:09:45.369
my biggest gripe is, And this is a sort of
1308
01:09:45.409 --> 01:09:47.850
conceptual level grab, because I wasn't joking when I said
1309
01:09:47.890 --> 01:09:50.979
I'm glad you found the version of the male humiliation
1310
01:09:51.020 --> 01:09:53.800
ritual that you find palatable, because that's what this was
1311
01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:54.060
to me.
1312
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:55.520
Why?
1313
01:09:55.539 --> 01:09:58.500
I don't understand why.
1314
01:09:58.659 --> 01:10:01.840
You're calling this a male humiliation ritual when this is
1315
01:10:02.060 --> 01:10:05.449
real humans having real problems. As I've laid out, I.
1316
01:10:05.630 --> 01:10:09.569
No, no, no. This is not like the extreme example of,
1317
01:10:09.590 --> 01:10:12.010
you know, you're a bumbling idiot with no redeeming qualities.
1318
01:10:12.170 --> 01:10:15.310
Hang on. When you say male humiliation ritual, my first
1319
01:10:15.329 --> 01:10:17.989
thing is I don't want to reignite this fight, but
1320
01:10:18.010 --> 01:10:19.369
you're comparing this to send help.
1321
01:10:19.390 --> 01:10:21.109
A little bit, yeah.
1322
01:10:21.789 --> 01:10:23.670
I don't understand why. Explain it to me and I'll
1323
01:10:23.689 --> 01:10:24.000
shut up.
1324
01:10:24.449 --> 01:10:29.239
Okay. It kind of just... Look, maybe I'm overly sensitive
1325
01:10:29.260 --> 01:10:30.619
to this because reasons.
1326
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.800
Do you like to talk about it?
1327
01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:34.420
No.
1328
01:10:35.420 --> 01:10:36.409
Okay, go on.
1329
01:10:37.140 --> 01:10:40.060
We don't need to talk about my parents' divorce and
1330
01:10:40.100 --> 01:10:43.970
what it did to me and... ancillary things related to that,
1331
01:10:43.979 --> 01:10:46.090
then knock on consequences. We'll be here all day on
1332
01:10:46.149 --> 01:10:48.630
unrelated things. I told you I don't need you to
1333
01:10:48.670 --> 01:10:49.609
therapize me, Mark.
1334
01:10:52.369 --> 01:10:56.609
Incidentally, I shared a little bit of myself. I'm not
1335
01:10:56.630 --> 01:10:58.409
saying you should, and that's not why I said that.
1336
01:10:58.489 --> 01:11:08.789
I'm saying if there's something about this movie that triggered
1337
01:11:08.810 --> 01:11:10.680
something in you, and that's all you want to say
1338
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:13.039
about it, that's fine. I shared what my thing was
1339
01:11:13.260 --> 01:11:16.380
in the first movie. And I'm not saying you should.
1340
01:11:16.979 --> 01:11:19.270
I'm saying, like, I'm not asking of you something I
1341
01:11:19.310 --> 01:11:20.359
wasn't willing to do myself.
1342
01:11:20.670 --> 01:11:22.750
No, no, I got it, and I appreciate that. Okay.
1343
01:11:22.770 --> 01:11:27.090
I had to fight back tears while I was doing it,
1344
01:11:27.090 --> 01:11:27.430
by the way.
1345
01:11:29.489 --> 01:11:32.810
I appreciate that, Mark. You're open and honest and emotionally
1346
01:11:32.930 --> 01:11:35.130
mature in ways that we could all only aspire to be.
1347
01:11:36.189 --> 01:11:38.520
Thanks. Anyway, why is this send help?
1348
01:11:42.100 --> 01:11:46.359
Because I didn't think it was for a lot of
1349
01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:48.640
this movie. There was a lot of it where I
1350
01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:52.140
was kind of like, okay, this seems fairly even-handed. They're
1351
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:56.920
both just kind of... We are living the consequences of
1352
01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:01.619
both of them being deeply deficient and deeply immature in
1353
01:12:01.659 --> 01:12:02.840
some respects.
1354
01:12:03.020 --> 01:12:04.460
One is dead and one is starved.
1355
01:12:05.399 --> 01:12:09.670
Yeah, but we're dealing with the consequences of that. And
1356
01:12:09.710 --> 01:12:12.930
for the most part, I was okay with this. And then,
1357
01:12:12.949 --> 01:12:16.250
of course, there's the scene where they literally have Seth
1358
01:12:16.270 --> 01:12:20.420
Rogen walk into the villain lighting under the lamp. Just
1359
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:25.119
so you know who's the bad guy here. When we
1360
01:12:25.140 --> 01:12:28.079
get to the end where they're actually airing their grievances,
1361
01:12:31.220 --> 01:12:33.670
and her line to him is just like, you know,
1362
01:12:33.850 --> 01:12:41.539
what's your problem? All he does... is he lays out
1363
01:12:41.619 --> 01:12:45.359
why he feels the way he feels. Like, I live
1364
01:12:45.380 --> 01:12:50.319
in my parents' house. I am professionally unfulfilled. I teach
1365
01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:52.649
the oboe to kids at a community college who do
1366
01:12:52.689 --> 01:13:00.750
not care. I'm, you know, 40. I'm out of shape. And, yeah,
1367
01:13:00.810 --> 01:13:01.409
I'm miserable.
1368
01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:03.779
Just let me be miserable.
1369
01:13:04.220 --> 01:13:05.340
That's where it lost me.
1370
01:13:05.899 --> 01:13:06.920
Okay, that line.
1371
01:13:07.539 --> 01:13:10.439
See, everything before that, I was okay. Like, you asked,
1372
01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:14.539
why are you miserable? Fine. Here's my grieving. Here's what
1373
01:13:14.579 --> 01:13:20.609
I think has gone wrong with my life. In strict detail, I,
1374
01:13:22.229 --> 01:13:24.470
you know, I was never able to get out from
1375
01:13:24.550 --> 01:13:27.590
under my parents' shadow. I literally still live in their apartment.
1376
01:13:29.729 --> 01:13:33.909
I had professional ambitions, which failed. And then not only
1377
01:13:33.949 --> 01:13:38.880
did they fail, but what I did to continue to
1378
01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:43.960
make life livable is watch the thing I love be
1379
01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:47.600
bastardized and dismissed by large swaths of people who do
1380
01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:49.819
not care about me or care about my passion for
1381
01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:55.069
what's going on here. Okay. And I come home to
1382
01:13:55.130 --> 01:14:01.090
a wife who... is you and as previously I only
1383
01:14:01.109 --> 01:14:03.350
say that so I don't relitigate everything the movie has
1384
01:14:03.369 --> 01:14:10.470
already litigated and that all seems reasonable but his risk
1385
01:14:10.510 --> 01:14:12.979
but then his response is please just let me be
1386
01:14:13.029 --> 01:14:17.180
miserable and at this point you're you're actively humiliating yourself
1387
01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:18.260
for no good reason.
1388
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.380
The script is you're entitled you're entitled to have your
1389
01:14:23.420 --> 01:14:25.920
read on that anyway you want it but I read
1390
01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:30.020
that as a professional and as somebody who is like
1391
01:14:30.140 --> 01:14:34.930
most males I know, uncomfortable unpacking their emotional stuff.
1392
01:14:36.689 --> 01:14:38.989
I would be fine with that if that was like
1393
01:14:39.449 --> 01:14:41.810
purely the character. I'm talking about like the structure of
1394
01:14:41.829 --> 01:14:42.329
the film.
1395
01:14:42.350 --> 01:14:46.909
You know, I keep yelling out send help. I think
1396
01:14:46.949 --> 01:14:49.229
I now understand New York. I still don't agree with
1397
01:14:49.270 --> 01:14:51.159
it necessarily, but that's fine. Who cares if I agree
1398
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:53.520
with it? But at least now I see the analog.
1399
01:14:54.039 --> 01:14:56.220
He's Harrison Ford on the beach in the last Indiana
1400
01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:56.819
Jones movie.
1401
01:14:57.220 --> 01:14:57.539
Yeah.
1402
01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:00.140
Just let me die. Just let me die. Why won't
1403
01:15:00.180 --> 01:15:01.060
you let me die?
1404
01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:05.789
Yeah. He's that's kind of where he is. And the
1405
01:15:05.829 --> 01:15:11.510
movie then is basically like the next scene is just
1406
01:15:11.550 --> 01:15:14.550
Penelope Cruz and Olivia Wilde kind of heckling him about
1407
01:15:15.350 --> 01:15:18.010
shut up and be a man. Like you have a
1408
01:15:18.029 --> 01:15:21.390
good life. Why are you like this? And it
doesn't
1409
01:15:21.529 --> 01:15:25.590
give the character that he portrays like anything in response.
1410
01:15:25.609 --> 01:15:28.739
He sits there and takes it. Like you're the one
1411
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:31.579
who died inside. You're the one who won't do anything.
1412
01:15:31.619 --> 01:15:35.239
You're the one who won't play the piano. And his
1413
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:38.859
bit about like, yeah, we, she won't sleep with me anymore.
1414
01:15:38.920 --> 01:15:42.739
And the fact that like the last word on that
1415
01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:46.420
is her basically saying, you don't try hard enough. And his,
1416
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:50.699
I'm not saying there's no truth to that. I'm saying
1417
01:15:50.779 --> 01:15:53.539
that the reality is it's a mutual thing. And the
1418
01:15:53.579 --> 01:15:56.359
film treats it like it's just his failing. The characters
1419
01:15:56.380 --> 01:16:00.300
all treat it like it's just his failing. Everything in
1420
01:16:00.340 --> 01:16:03.239
this entire relationship would be fine if Seth Rogen wasn't
1421
01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:08.439
just Seth Rogen. And that is where I consider this
1422
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:11.520
to be just like, hey, let's sit the white guy
1423
01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:15.869
down and yell at him. And 80% of this movie
1424
01:16:15.930 --> 01:16:17.310
is not that.
1425
01:16:17.550 --> 01:16:21.210
Here's the thing. I get your sensitivity to it because
1426
01:16:21.250 --> 01:16:23.050
I've walked this journey with you and I've watched the
1427
01:16:23.090 --> 01:16:25.090
same films as you do and we've had this argument.
1428
01:16:26.109 --> 01:16:30.760
I'll accept that that's what you think this is. Do
1429
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:35.760
you understand why I 100% don't see it that way
1430
01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:41.310
when I see men, real live men, in therapy all
1431
01:16:41.350 --> 01:16:43.630
the time saying what Seth Rogen said?
1432
01:16:43.649 --> 01:16:47.069
Look, again, my gripe is not that this is what
1433
01:16:47.130 --> 01:16:48.750
Seth Rogen is saying as a character.
1434
01:16:48.770 --> 01:16:50.760
Including the let me die part.
1435
01:16:52.359 --> 01:16:56.819
That's all true to life, and I get that. That's
1436
01:16:56.859 --> 01:16:57.479
not my gripe.
1437
01:16:58.619 --> 01:17:00.760
Your gripe is them telling him you must live? Because
1438
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:01.359
I've done that.
1439
01:17:02.180 --> 01:17:06.649
My gripe is the movie and the point of view
1440
01:17:06.710 --> 01:17:09.130
of the author and the director and everyone involved in
1441
01:17:09.149 --> 01:17:11.630
the creation of this being shut the fuck up and
1442
01:17:11.670 --> 01:17:14.750
be a man. You are the cause of all of this.
1443
01:17:14.810 --> 01:17:22.760
Okay. Would you be less acerbic about this if they
1444
01:17:22.779 --> 01:17:25.550
tried to understand why this killed him?
1445
01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:25.779
If they.
1446
01:17:26.729 --> 01:17:28.869
There's a therapist in the room. If Penelope Cruz had
1447
01:17:28.890 --> 01:17:32.010
done a better job of trying to ascertain why this
1448
01:17:32.069 --> 01:17:36.329
is all so much too much for him instead of
1449
01:17:36.390 --> 01:17:40.060
just buck up, you know, little camper.
1450
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:43.260
No, you know, starving children in Africa. What are you
1451
01:17:43.300 --> 01:17:43.979
complaining about?
1452
01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:46.340
I was a buck up little camper. Suicide is never
1453
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:49.800
the answer. That's the line. Would that have been better
1454
01:17:49.819 --> 01:17:50.060
for you?
1455
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:53.409
Yeah. Like that. My gripe is not that Seth Rogen
1456
01:17:53.449 --> 01:17:55.310
says the line like that's fine.
1457
01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:58.090
It's being inappropriately sympathetic after.
1458
01:17:58.930 --> 01:18:03.029
Yeah, like the entire... There's a chunk of this movie
1459
01:18:03.050 --> 01:18:05.229
that feels like an ego trip for Olivia Wilde to
1460
01:18:05.250 --> 01:18:07.770
just be, I am every aggrieved woman and we will
1461
01:18:07.789 --> 01:18:11.069
now hash out our issues with men.
1462
01:18:11.090 --> 01:18:15.670
You're not making the assertion that Olivia Wilde looks good
1463
01:18:15.710 --> 01:18:19.579
in this movie, do you? Are you? Because there's plenty
1464
01:18:19.619 --> 01:18:20.739
of faults in this movie with her.
1465
01:18:21.609 --> 01:18:25.449
I don't think she is given the same treatment as
1466
01:18:25.489 --> 01:18:26.510
Seth Rogen's character.
1467
01:18:26.949 --> 01:18:29.779
Because they committed two different sins.
1468
01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:33.239
I'm aware of that, but at what point does this
1469
01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:35.640
movie castigate her the way it castigates Seth Rogen?
1470
01:18:37.619 --> 01:18:40.699
Okay. At this point, you're now asking for a different
1471
01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:41.310
movie to be made.
1472
01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:43.880
No, you're asking about my problem with it.
1473
01:18:44.069 --> 01:18:46.569
No, no, I understand that. The solution to fix this
1474
01:18:46.630 --> 01:18:47.510
movie is a different movie.
1475
01:18:47.989 --> 01:18:51.979
Yeah. Okay. I'm aware of that. You're asking my problem
1476
01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:54.180
with the movie.
1477
01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:59.060
Yes, but this is one of those things where, again,
1478
01:18:59.100 --> 01:19:01.699
I'm intellectually curious about why you think the way that
1479
01:19:01.739 --> 01:19:03.539
you do, and I'm trying to figure out what the
1480
01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:05.880
solution would have been. I figured out what the solution is.
1481
01:19:05.920 --> 01:19:06.899
I'm ready to move on from this.
1482
01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:11.399
It's that or it's, again, their impromptu therapy session is
1483
01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:16.579
a bit more interrogative of Olivia
Wilde's failings. They're utterly ignored.
1484
01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:19.359
See, I don't even think that you need that. I
1485
01:19:19.399 --> 01:19:19.920
don't need that.
1486
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:24.090
That's fine. I'm not here to say the world needs
1487
01:19:24.109 --> 01:19:24.890
to have my perspective.
1488
01:19:24.909 --> 01:19:29.789
Five minutes ago, you had a very personal moment, and
1489
01:19:29.810 --> 01:19:31.670
this is triggering something very personal with you, and that's
1490
01:19:31.710 --> 01:19:34.489
what I mean. I don't need what you need from
1491
01:19:34.510 --> 01:19:36.550
this movie, and I'll just let it go with that.
1492
01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:39.840
The thing I do agree with you on is I
1493
01:19:39.939 --> 01:19:42.500
wish Penelope Cruz had been– because that's what I would
1494
01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:44.939
have done. If I'm sitting there and I'm listening to
1495
01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:46.340
a– it's what I do do. If I'm sitting there
1496
01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:47.600
and I'm listening to a person who says, just let
1497
01:19:47.619 --> 01:19:52.119
me die, just let me be miserable, there are questions
1498
01:19:52.140 --> 01:19:54.590
I'm asking. What about this band was so important to you?
1499
01:19:54.890 --> 01:19:59.029
Yeah. I think that would be my other major– again,
1500
01:19:59.069 --> 01:20:00.949
if I have another major gripe about this movie.
1501
01:20:00.970 --> 01:20:01.189
Mm-hmm.
1502
01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:06.590
It is heavily implied with the subtext, and in some
1503
01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:09.029
cases the actual text of the movie, that the band
1504
01:20:09.109 --> 01:20:10.369
breaking up was a big deal.
1505
01:20:10.970 --> 01:20:11.149
Right.
1506
01:20:11.649 --> 01:20:13.810
And it's just never actually addressed.
1507
01:20:14.449 --> 01:20:17.369
Yeah, well, none of the stuff with Seth Rogen is addressed.
1508
01:20:18.689 --> 01:20:21.850
And I think that's the thing I agree with you
1509
01:20:21.869 --> 01:20:24.489
most on, is that's the major flaw of this movie,
1510
01:20:24.590 --> 01:20:27.710
is it's not addressed what the importance of the band was.
1511
01:20:27.890 --> 01:20:29.729
It's not addressed why he's in his parents' house.
1512
01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:33.539
Congratulations for not firing your Chekhov's gun, you morons.
1513
01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:37.539
It's not addressed why he teaches at that school. Like,
1514
01:20:37.979 --> 01:20:40.779
it's just these are things that happened to him and
1515
01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:44.220
they're making him miserable. And his misery is making Olivia
1516
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:47.649
Wilde be unseen. And so she's making connections with Ed Norton.
1517
01:20:47.899 --> 01:20:50.130
And now, you know, the answer to this is the
1518
01:20:50.149 --> 01:20:52.149
exact answer we got out of chasing Amy. Why don't
1519
01:20:52.170 --> 01:20:54.590
we all just fuck each other? It all comes back
1520
01:20:54.609 --> 01:20:54.869
to that.
1521
01:20:56.890 --> 01:21:00.720
So, yeah, those would be my big weaknesses with this. Now,
1522
01:21:00.979 --> 01:21:04.439
purely as a production, yeah, it's fine. I understand this
1523
01:21:04.819 --> 01:21:06.840
is not going to be in my top ten, just
1524
01:21:06.899 --> 01:21:10.800
as a general posture here. Well, might make number nine.
1525
01:21:10.819 --> 01:21:15.090
We'll see when it all shakes out. I know why
1526
01:21:15.130 --> 01:21:18.449
you love this. Again, this is... It's not just the
1527
01:21:18.510 --> 01:21:21.430
subject matter which speaks to you. You like this. As
1528
01:21:21.470 --> 01:21:26.390
soon as I heard the way... Not the actual lines,
1529
01:21:26.470 --> 01:21:31.869
but the rhythm of dialogue between Seth Rogen and Olivia Wilderman. Oh, yeah,
1530
01:21:31.909 --> 01:21:35.310
this is why Mark loves this. This is your kind
1531
01:21:35.350 --> 01:21:40.020
of movie. And again, I say that with love. I'm glad.
1532
01:21:40.380 --> 01:21:42.619
But that's the kind of thing that speaks to you.
1533
01:21:42.659 --> 01:21:49.020
You like this kind of rhythmic, rapid-fire dialogue.
1534
01:21:49.579 --> 01:21:51.840
Yes, again, going all the way back, this is why...
1535
01:21:54.380 --> 01:21:56.720
this is why Aaron Sorkin doesn't bother me the way
1536
01:21:56.760 --> 01:21:59.180
he bothers you for a variety of reasons, but we've
1537
01:21:59.399 --> 01:21:59.779
covered that.
1538
01:22:00.699 --> 01:22:03.859
And if Aaron Sorkin were still, you know, one third
1539
01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:06.000
as talented as he was in his prime, then maybe
1540
01:22:06.039 --> 01:22:10.770
I'd feel differently about him contemporarily, but he's where he is.
1541
01:22:10.869 --> 01:22:16.250
And yeah, this is, I understand the buzz this is getting.
1542
01:22:16.369 --> 01:22:19.829
It will get several nominations. It's fine and dandy that
1543
01:22:19.850 --> 01:22:22.550
it does. Like, I don't need to like every movie
1544
01:22:22.569 --> 01:22:22.989
that is good.
1545
01:22:25.909 --> 01:22:27.970
Do you feel about the invite the way you felt
1546
01:22:28.069 --> 01:22:31.770
about Anora? And as far as whether or not it
1547
01:22:31.810 --> 01:22:33.010
deserves to be a best picture?
1548
01:22:36.090 --> 01:22:48.460
No. Anora, I... Maybe similarly. Not as extreme. Like, look,
1549
01:22:48.479 --> 01:22:50.279
you and I, when we talked about those Oscars, we
1550
01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:54.050
mentioned that anora benefited from things other than it being
1551
01:22:54.090 --> 01:22:58.130
a good movie to win it was hey so and
1552
01:22:58.170 --> 01:23:00.470
so said the wrong thing about such and such topic
1553
01:23:00.550 --> 01:23:04.949
and oh no this shocking revelation about this movie like
1554
01:23:05.010 --> 01:23:10.039
in a sane world it's the brutalist but no no
1555
01:23:10.100 --> 01:23:15.399
there was generative technology used we
cannot And, well, maybe
1556
01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:17.680
it should be, it really kind of should be the substance,
1557
01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:19.819
but Demi Moore didn't say the right things about the
1558
01:23:19.859 --> 01:23:22.039
Middle East, and no, no, now she can't win, and
1559
01:23:22.060 --> 01:23:28.239
the movie can't win. And, et cetera, et cetera, until
1560
01:23:28.270 --> 01:23:30.329
it was just kind of, you and I joked about it,
1561
01:23:30.329 --> 01:23:33.369
like it was the conclave problem in real life. It
1562
01:23:33.390 --> 01:23:35.149
was like, well, we can't vote for this one now,
1563
01:23:35.189 --> 01:23:37.289
we can't vote for that one now, what's left?
1564
01:23:37.590 --> 01:23:40.149
Yeah, it was supposed to be Amelia Perez until the
1565
01:23:40.210 --> 01:23:42.819
October surprise of that movie, and then it wasn't anymore.
1566
01:23:43.109 --> 01:23:46.800
Well, Amelia Perez was digger. Like the one everyone wanted
1567
01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:49.479
to be serious and the one we can latch onto.
1568
01:23:49.500 --> 01:23:52.619
And then it played and everyone was ready to anoint
1569
01:23:52.659 --> 01:23:54.500
it until all the people that it actually like is
1570
01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:57.300
supposed to do big representation for came out and said,
1571
01:23:57.399 --> 01:23:58.020
screw this.
1572
01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:01.329
Yeah. All right. And then you move on to, boy,
1573
01:24:01.369 --> 01:24:04.569
we are not going to talk about four worse.
1574
01:24:05.010 --> 01:24:07.390
There's almost nothing to talk about with four worse. It is.
1575
01:24:07.409 --> 01:24:09.710
All right. I don't even have a big introduction. You
1576
01:24:09.729 --> 01:24:10.850
can just go into the plot synopsis.
1577
01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:15.659
So, For Worst is just about a, you know, 50-year-old
1578
01:24:15.739 --> 01:24:19.619
woman after getting divorced. And she takes up an acting
1579
01:24:19.659 --> 01:24:23.710
class like you do. She tries to start an affair
1580
01:24:23.750 --> 01:24:25.970
with a guy 30 years younger than her-ish.
1581
01:24:26.390 --> 01:24:27.869
He starts it with her.
1582
01:24:29.130 --> 01:24:33.670
Fair enough. And they get invited to one of their
1583
01:24:33.710 --> 01:24:36.229
classmates' weddings, and they go there, and it's a big
1584
01:24:36.270 --> 01:24:39.239
Gen Z gay wedding, and she feels awkward because all
1585
01:24:39.260 --> 01:24:41.319
of her friends are now way outside of her age bracket,
1586
01:24:41.380 --> 01:24:43.079
as she should feel awkward for that, by the way.
1587
01:24:43.220 --> 01:24:44.840
Also, she didn't want to go to this thing, but
1588
01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:48.979
the guy that she's been hooking up with said, I
1589
01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:50.500
will be with you. I will hold your hand through
1590
01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:53.890
this whole thing. He gets there and then gets sucked
1591
01:24:54.020 --> 01:24:56.470
into the wedding party, therefore leaving her abandoned.
1592
01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:00.100
And she meets a kind of creepy guy who she
1593
01:25:00.140 --> 01:25:02.310
doesn't really like. And then she makes a mess of
1594
01:25:02.390 --> 01:25:05.550
the wedding reception and she injures Bradley Whitford, who she's
1595
01:25:05.590 --> 01:25:09.609
kind of been flirting with because Bradley Whitford is the biological.
1596
01:25:09.930 --> 01:25:13.109
They have not been flirting. Bradley Whitford. So the other
1597
01:25:13.149 --> 01:25:15.979
side of this is Bradley Whitford is the father of
1598
01:25:16.029 --> 01:25:18.760
the father of one of the wedding participants.
1599
01:25:19.319 --> 01:25:22.000
The same one that they're there to see.
1600
01:25:22.640 --> 01:25:26.189
And his wife left him for her therapist or their
1601
01:25:26.270 --> 01:25:27.489
couple's therapist, whichever it was.
1602
01:25:27.510 --> 01:25:29.489
I think it was their couple's therapist. Yeah.
1603
01:25:29.850 --> 01:25:32.850
And so he has to, like, if you want to
1604
01:25:32.949 --> 01:25:35.829
make the comment about a male humiliation ritual, I would
1605
01:25:35.909 --> 01:25:38.189
accept it for this one. What they do to Bradley
1606
01:25:38.229 --> 01:25:40.039
Whitford in this movie is more of a male humiliation ritual.
1607
01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:43.340
Somewhere between Bradley Whitford just, like, having to be the
1608
01:25:43.380 --> 01:25:47.479
cuck and Chuck, the guy who replaced him in the marriage,
1609
01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:50.699
being just the biggest goober imaginable. Yeah.
1610
01:25:50.779 --> 01:25:53.199
Yeah. Yeah, trust me. I know what it feels like
1611
01:25:53.239 --> 01:25:55.260
to look at the guy you replaced with and be like, me?
1612
01:25:55.300 --> 01:25:58.319
You left me for fucking this piece of shit? Anywho.
1613
01:25:59.479 --> 01:26:01.060
So he has to get.
1614
01:26:01.119 --> 01:26:04.329
Okay, I shouldn't say flirting. Like, they've interacted, and there's... Like.
1615
01:26:04.350 --> 01:26:06.270
He walked in on her when she was in the bathroom,
1616
01:26:06.510 --> 01:26:09.810
and he was, like, snippy with her. Like, they don't
1617
01:26:10.029 --> 01:26:12.850
ever flirt with each other. He's agitated the entire time,
1618
01:26:12.869 --> 01:26:16.710
but she's now thrown a... She's now made a scene...
1619
01:26:17.590 --> 01:26:20.210
And he's like, let's get you out of here. And
1620
01:26:20.250 --> 01:26:22.109
then they like trip over the cake or some shit.
1621
01:26:22.550 --> 01:26:25.609
They trip and they fall and he injures his arm.
1622
01:26:25.649 --> 01:26:28.500
She injures her ankle. Then they're sitting outside of the
1623
01:26:28.579 --> 01:26:31.520
urgent care. They sort of reminisce about being divorced and
1624
01:26:31.819 --> 01:26:38.699
elderly and lament the state of the youth. life, the universe,
1625
01:26:38.739 --> 01:26:42.079
and everything. And then they go
their separate ways, but
1626
01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:44.380
he shows back up because there was a little bit
1627
01:26:44.399 --> 01:26:46.239
of a connection there, and it turns out that he
1628
01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:49.890
actually meets the criteria that her daughter had established for
1629
01:26:49.930 --> 01:26:54.899
her next boyfriend. And they sort of meet back up
1630
01:26:55.029 --> 01:26:57.600
after she books a few commercials, and they're doing a
1631
01:26:57.619 --> 01:26:59.899
thing for the acting class, and he's there for both
1632
01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:03.539
his daughter and for her. And they sort of start
1633
01:27:03.560 --> 01:27:05.520
dating at the end of it. And life is great
1634
01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:08.420
in your autumn years, Mark. That's really the message here,
1635
01:27:08.460 --> 01:27:10.800
that life can go on if you just show up
1636
01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:14.760
to a 20-something's wedding and make a complete jackass out
1637
01:27:14.779 --> 01:27:15.300
of yourself.
1638
01:27:17.100 --> 01:27:17.760
I don't hate this movie.
1639
01:27:17.779 --> 01:27:21.260
This is every 50-year-old single white woman's fantasy writ large.
1640
01:27:22.739 --> 01:27:24.520
So I watched this and I was like, yeah, I'm
1641
01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:27.539
not going to enjoy discussing this. The invite, I was,
1642
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:31.260
it was like, I know we'll have, I know if
1643
01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:36.710
we can get past both of our predilections and particulars,
1644
01:27:37.430 --> 01:27:39.930
we'll have a good conversation with the invite despite we
1645
01:27:39.949 --> 01:27:43.050
set some ground rules. For worse, I was like, oh,
1646
01:27:43.069 --> 01:27:44.850
I don't want to fucking talk about this with Robert.
1647
01:27:45.770 --> 01:27:47.970
This has got nothing for him. Like, oh, this is
1648
01:27:47.989 --> 01:27:48.829
going to suck.
1649
01:27:48.869 --> 01:27:52.170
It's got nothing for almost anyone. Like, it's so shallow
1650
01:27:52.229 --> 01:27:53.010
and stupid.
1651
01:27:53.250 --> 01:27:55.470
Yeah, it's one of those where it feels like an
1652
01:27:55.550 --> 01:27:59.010
episode of a television show, not a full-length movie. And
1653
01:27:59.050 --> 01:28:00.329
it drags in parts.
1654
01:28:00.930 --> 01:28:04.789
Oh, God. This is a movie that stretches runtime by having, like, okay,
1655
01:28:04.810 --> 01:28:08.289
we're going to cut to a musical montage of activities. Yeah.
1656
01:28:08.850 --> 01:28:10.550
First of all, they spent too long on the fucking
1657
01:28:10.810 --> 01:28:16.090
acting class. That goes on interminably. When ChatGPT pitched this
1658
01:28:16.130 --> 01:28:18.270
movie to be part of the trilogy of this, it
1659
01:28:18.310 --> 01:28:19.729
was like, yeah, it kind of deals with the same
1660
01:28:19.850 --> 01:28:23.180
kind of thing. Middle-aged, dealing with relationships. It's a perfect
1661
01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:26.539
fit for the invite in Solo Mio. I'm like, all right, great.
1662
01:28:27.479 --> 01:28:31.399
You need to inform your ChatGPT after the fact now
1663
01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:33.750
that it was wildly enacted.
1664
01:28:33.850 --> 01:28:36.810
It's not as off-base as all that. The problem is,
1665
01:28:37.010 --> 01:28:39.420
I look at the plot of this thing, and it's like, oh,
1666
01:28:39.430 --> 01:28:41.500
50-year old goes to a wedding with a bunch of
1667
01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:45.079
Gen Zers and hilarity ensues that's like by the time
1668
01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:46.859
we get to the wedding we're almost into the third
1669
01:28:47.050 --> 01:28:50.930
act the whole like the first act and a little
1670
01:28:50.949 --> 01:28:53.829
bit after the into the second act is the acting
1671
01:28:53.850 --> 01:28:58.649
class and it's boring as shit there's the acting class
1672
01:28:58.729 --> 01:29:01.899
and then there's her hooking up with the dude, and
1673
01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:05.279
then her being convinced to go to this wedding, and then, like, fighting,
1674
01:29:05.420 --> 01:29:08.619
you know, with her co-parent, and then they're at the wedding,
1675
01:29:09.159 --> 01:29:12.529
and then she's slowly fucking, speaking of humiliation rituals, she's
1676
01:29:12.550 --> 01:29:15.750
slowly fucking, like, abandoned and humiliated, and then she snaps
1677
01:29:15.789 --> 01:29:18.210
at the end. And it's like, alright, we could have
1678
01:29:18.229 --> 01:29:21.270
gotten there in 45 minutes. We didn't need this. This
1679
01:29:21.310 --> 01:29:22.670
didn't need 90 minutes to do this.
1680
01:29:23.229 --> 01:29:23.989
Not even close.
1681
01:29:24.409 --> 01:29:30.100
Um, it's fine. Everyone gives serviceable performances. Amy Landecker, this
1682
01:29:30.140 --> 01:29:33.859
is her... She wrote, directed, and acted in this thing.
1683
01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:36.680
This is definitely her fucking star vehicle.
1684
01:29:37.520 --> 01:29:37.970
Here's the thing.
1685
01:29:38.010 --> 01:29:41.250
There are some movies that are just like someone's editorial
1686
01:29:41.329 --> 01:29:44.960
turned into a drama. That's what this feels like.
1687
01:29:46.180 --> 01:29:49.319
I wrote this big essay on what it means to
1688
01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:52.439
be 50 and divorced.
1689
01:29:52.510 --> 01:29:54.250
She wrote one of my fucking TikToks.
1690
01:29:54.289 --> 01:29:57.449
This was a piece published in the Atlantic and now
1691
01:29:57.489 --> 01:29:59.069
we must turn it into a movie.
1692
01:29:59.409 --> 01:30:03.430
Yeah, might as well have been. I related to what
1693
01:30:03.470 --> 01:30:09.340
she was talking about. I have to say this. For
1694
01:30:09.739 --> 01:30:11.960
all the negative things I have said and will continue
1695
01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:16.560
to say and whatnot where my ex and i do
1696
01:30:16.579 --> 01:30:18.859
well together is we we do co-parent with each other
1697
01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:21.189
we do work with each other um i'm pretty you
1698
01:30:21.210 --> 01:30:23.310
know every time she's called on me for help i've
1699
01:30:23.409 --> 01:30:26.930
been there when the kids were concerned um it's not
1700
01:30:27.010 --> 01:30:29.989
it's not always the easiest thing to navigate and it
1701
01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:33.439
is hard to watch your ex even if you don't
1702
01:30:33.460 --> 01:30:35.439
want to be together and trust me i don't but
1703
01:30:35.739 --> 01:30:37.399
even but it's so hard to watch your ex with
1704
01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:41.090
somebody else And I've had that coming and going, because
1705
01:30:41.109 --> 01:30:42.750
I've had it said to me. It's, like, hard to
1706
01:30:42.789 --> 01:30:45.329
watch you with somebody else. That you was me.
1707
01:30:46.170 --> 01:30:48.689
You were supposed to just die alone pining after me
1708
01:30:48.789 --> 01:30:49.550
after we broke up.
1709
01:30:50.010 --> 01:30:51.949
That was the plan, yes. And as per usual, I
1710
01:30:51.989 --> 01:30:52.449
did not.
1711
01:30:52.869 --> 01:30:56.130
It's a terrible plan. I'm glad you didn't follow it.
1712
01:30:56.369 --> 01:30:59.989
Yeah, I did not cooperate. Anyway, so, like, all that
1713
01:31:00.029 --> 01:31:02.829
stuff was meaningful to me. Like, I got it. You know,
1714
01:31:02.850 --> 01:31:07.010
I am 50. And I have dated in my, you know...
1715
01:31:07.470 --> 01:31:09.850
middle age and it's not easy and it is kind
1716
01:31:09.890 --> 01:31:12.350
of humiliating at times and you deal and when you
1717
01:31:12.390 --> 01:31:15.350
do deal with young people it feels like you're dealing
1718
01:31:15.369 --> 01:31:19.449
with aliens all of that was relatable all of that
1719
01:31:19.689 --> 01:31:21.890
I watched and I enjoyed to the degree that you
1720
01:31:21.909 --> 01:31:25.289
enjoy things that are relatable my problem with this movie
1721
01:31:25.369 --> 01:31:28.550
is it's there's not enough here and they're spending too
1722
01:31:28.590 --> 01:31:32.449
long on things that aren't interesting like her hooking up
1723
01:31:32.479 --> 01:31:35.239
with the guy because the guy's not interesting he's a
1724
01:31:35.420 --> 01:31:38.750
dumb he's a bag of hammers Yeah, the dumb Gen
1725
01:31:38.789 --> 01:31:42.970
Z guy. So he's there to abandon her so that
1726
01:31:43.010 --> 01:31:46.529
she has to, you know, feel alone and freak out
1727
01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:49.859
in the middle of a wedding. And it's like, we
1728
01:31:49.899 --> 01:31:51.920
had to go through this entire journey for her to
1729
01:31:52.020 --> 01:31:54.939
erupt at this wedding. And that's like the big denouement.
1730
01:31:55.000 --> 01:31:57.659
That's the big, you know, high point of this movie.
1731
01:31:57.680 --> 01:32:04.189
And it's like, all right. I could have gotten that
1732
01:32:04.270 --> 01:32:06.250
earlier in the movie. We didn't have to wait this long.
1733
01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:09.100
So I
don't have anything else to say about Fort Worth.
1734
01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:12.970
It's fine. The stuff is relatable. Just too long and
1735
01:32:13.189 --> 01:32:14.670
there's not enough meat in the middle.
1736
01:32:15.970 --> 01:32:19.609
This reeks of someone convinced that their own material is
1737
01:32:19.649 --> 01:32:22.449
good and no one, for whatever reason, nobody else stepped
1738
01:32:22.489 --> 01:32:24.189
in and said, no, you need help here.
1739
01:32:24.409 --> 01:32:26.069
This is a very film festival film.
1740
01:32:27.590 --> 01:32:30.109
In the most negative way possible, yes.
1741
01:32:30.140 --> 01:32:34.239
Yeah. All right. Anything else about Fort Worth?
1742
01:32:35.890 --> 01:32:40.210
No, this is like... Again, there's stuff to say about
1743
01:32:40.270 --> 01:32:43.229
Solo Mio for no other reason than because earnestness in
1744
01:32:43.270 --> 01:32:46.600
filmmaking is dying. There's stuff to talk about with the
1745
01:32:46.659 --> 01:32:51.840
invite on a craft level, certainly on the writing level.
1746
01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:55.359
There's stuff there. There's nothing here. There's just nothing to this.
1747
01:32:57.800 --> 01:32:59.300
Picked it because we needed a third movie.
1748
01:32:59.460 --> 01:33:01.970
I'm glad you got your vanity project out there, lady.
1749
01:33:03.909 --> 01:33:06.090
With these triple features, it's always like that third movie.
1750
01:33:06.250 --> 01:33:08.600
You know, you have to swing for the fences or
1751
01:33:08.659 --> 01:33:09.939
it's crapola.
1752
01:33:10.539 --> 01:33:15.500
It's because we trust the investigative tools that we have.
1753
01:33:15.939 --> 01:33:19.800
Mm-hmm. And they're... Okay, was there another movie that you
1754
01:33:19.819 --> 01:33:20.939
could have replaced For Worst with?
1755
01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:22.399
Oh, me? Off the top of your head? Off the
1756
01:33:22.420 --> 01:33:25.119
top of my head, no. Like, I'm not... Like, I'm
1757
01:33:25.159 --> 01:33:28.250
just tracking the cause. Like, why do we end up here? Well,
1758
01:33:28.289 --> 01:33:30.229
because we have two that we feel good about, like,
1759
01:33:30.289 --> 01:33:33.939
talking about. Mm-hmm. We just feel like we need a third.
1760
01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:38.100
And neither of us really have the time to, like,
1761
01:33:38.220 --> 01:33:39.960
dig into this on our own, so we kind of
1762
01:33:39.979 --> 01:33:41.659
just trust the correlative data.
1763
01:33:42.149 --> 01:33:45.329
So, I actually have Chachi's BT up.
1764
01:33:45.829 --> 01:33:50.649
Um... Yeah, ask him for a third movie.
1765
01:33:50.670 --> 01:33:54.250
No, no, no, but here's my current working list. If
1766
01:33:54.289 --> 01:33:56.390
we were to replace 4 or worse, which one... Because
1767
01:33:56.409 --> 01:33:58.310
I specifically told him, don't pick from this list, because
1768
01:33:58.329 --> 01:33:59.510
I didn't want to have to redo some of these
1769
01:33:59.529 --> 01:34:03.520
triple features myself. So... I'm just going to read through these.
1770
01:34:03.579 --> 01:34:06.159
Not all of these obviously would have been available to us,
1771
01:34:06.220 --> 01:34:11.229
but relationship goals, office romance, ladies first. Yeah, there's no
1772
01:34:11.270 --> 01:34:14.159
fucking way I'm talking to you about ladies first. I'd
1773
01:34:14.189 --> 01:34:21.930
rather do three invites. The love hypothesis. You, me, and Tuscany.
1774
01:34:22.149 --> 01:34:22.949
Maybe that one.
1775
01:34:25.510 --> 01:34:29.550
Come on. We have to sit here and live through
1776
01:34:29.590 --> 01:34:31.270
Halle Bailey acting again?
1777
01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:36.189
The Last Sunrise, Miss You, Love You, Voicemails for Isabel,
1778
01:34:36.229 --> 01:34:43.770
Love of Your Life. I think those were the only... Yeah,
1779
01:34:45.270 --> 01:34:48.100
I think those were the only romantic stuff that I
1780
01:34:48.140 --> 01:34:48.720
had on my list.
1781
01:34:49.439 --> 01:34:52.640
Look, I'd have to go through them and try to
1782
01:34:52.680 --> 01:34:55.619
find something. But again, this is kind of the point is...
1783
01:34:56.880 --> 01:34:59.140
neither of us really have the time or inclination to
1784
01:34:59.739 --> 01:35:02.520
sift through all of this after you've already set some
1785
01:35:02.539 --> 01:35:05.159
stuff up and be like, wait, wait, the minutia of
1786
01:35:05.220 --> 01:35:08.140
this third movie on that triple feature in the middle
1787
01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:11.479
of October should be replaced with this other one. Yeah.
1788
01:35:13.100 --> 01:35:14.340
That neither of us have heard of.
1789
01:35:15.439 --> 01:35:18.479
So I probably should have said this at the beginning,
1790
01:35:18.500 --> 01:35:20.180
but this kind of came to be because I initially
1791
01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:24.439
had solo Mio with like matchbox and animals. And it
1792
01:35:24.460 --> 01:35:27.500
was just a grab bag of like, Those would.
1793
01:35:27.439 --> 01:35:29.439
Be three wildly unrelated topics, yes.
1794
01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:32.100
Yeah, and I didn't want to, and after I thought
1795
01:35:32.140 --> 01:35:33.619
about it, I didn't want to do a grab bag.
1796
01:35:34.220 --> 01:35:36.899
So I was like, okay. Part of it was like, well,
1797
01:35:36.939 --> 01:35:38.689
he only said he wanted to do solo Mio, and
1798
01:35:38.699 --> 01:35:40.609
I don't want to upset Robert, so I got to do,
1799
01:35:40.810 --> 01:35:42.289
I got to make him happy. Let me try to,
1800
01:35:42.289 --> 01:35:44.449
and then I was like, fuck Robert. So I was like,
1801
01:35:44.489 --> 01:35:44.850
let me.
1802
01:35:44.890 --> 01:35:46.430
Probably the more appropriate attitude.
1803
01:35:46.909 --> 01:35:48.890
And then I saw the invite was on the Best
1804
01:35:48.949 --> 01:35:50.449
Picture list. I'm like, okay, well, now I have to
1805
01:35:50.489 --> 01:35:53.149
force him to watch
the movie. He can't argue with
1806
01:35:53.189 --> 01:35:54.310
me about it. He can't be like, why did you
1807
01:35:54.340 --> 01:35:56.890
make me do this? because it's a Best Picture nominee.
1808
01:35:57.130 --> 01:36:00.289
So that solved that problem. And once I had Solomio
1809
01:36:00.329 --> 01:36:01.720
in the invite, I was like, well, now I've got
1810
01:36:01.729 --> 01:36:03.819
to find something that seems like that. And you didn't
1811
01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:07.159
name anything else on the list I just read that
1812
01:36:07.199 --> 01:36:07.989
you were interested in.
1813
01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:14.159
So I dug deep is what I did. I, look, again,
1814
01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:16.119
if you and I both had more time and more
1815
01:36:16.180 --> 01:36:19.550
energy for the minutia of this, yeah, I would have
1816
01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:21.909
found something. I would have found something else, but.
1817
01:36:21.869 --> 01:36:24.329
Life is what it is. Had I not been committed
1818
01:36:24.409 --> 01:36:26.630
to these other movies in the way that I had them,
1819
01:36:26.670 --> 01:36:31.109
I probably would have put you, me, and Tuscany on this. And, yeah,
1820
01:36:31.210 --> 01:36:32.779
who knows how that, I still don't even know what
1821
01:36:32.800 --> 01:36:33.439
that movie's about.
1822
01:36:33.460 --> 01:36:40.430
That is Halle Bailey, you know, Ariel. as a black
1823
01:36:40.470 --> 01:36:42.329
girl going to Tuscany.
1824
01:36:42.390 --> 01:36:44.050
Oh, that's right. I've seen the trailers for that.
1825
01:36:44.250 --> 01:36:46.420
Yeah, if you've seen the trailer, you know the movie.
1826
01:36:46.939 --> 01:36:49.199
The problem is, at that point, the invite doesn't fit
1827
01:36:49.220 --> 01:36:51.859
because it's not a romantic comedy in Italy.
1828
01:36:53.859 --> 01:36:55.930
Now I'm searching for a third movie. The whole thing's fucked.
1829
01:36:56.270 --> 01:36:57.949
Yes. We'd have to reconfigure again.
1830
01:37:01.449 --> 01:37:01.649
All right.
1831
01:37:01.869 --> 01:37:04.550
All right. So that's it. That's our review. We have
1832
01:37:04.590 --> 01:37:07.390
to reconfigure again. The Rattlesnake Broadcasting Network way.
1833
01:37:07.710 --> 01:37:10.960
That does flash across your forehead more than once a week.
1834
01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:13.899
So that is our review of Solo Mio, The Invite,
1835
01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:14.699
and for worse.
1836
01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:18.180
Two movies might be worth your time. One very much not.
1837
01:37:19.659 --> 01:37:24.710
Earlier this week, we did Event Sevenfold Statica. We reviewed
1838
01:37:25.250 --> 01:37:32.140
Street Fighter. Robert, Alexis, and whoever else reviewed Carrie. Next week,
1839
01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:35.390
myself and Alexis, and I will be the one leading
1840
01:37:35.409 --> 01:37:39.569
because I cannot. She can do her own podcast when
1841
01:37:39.609 --> 01:37:42.989
I'm not there, but I can't let her lead discussions
1842
01:37:43.010 --> 01:37:45.090
when I'm on it anymore. Our brains don't work together
1843
01:37:45.210 --> 01:37:49.420
well when that happens. So I will be doing a, well,
1844
01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:52.060
it used to be I would let her do it
1845
01:37:52.119 --> 01:37:53.800
because I didn't want to put the time and energy
1846
01:37:54.439 --> 01:37:57.739
into hosting every single show. I figured I'll just let
1847
01:37:57.779 --> 01:37:59.970
her do it. Plus, I didn't know how it would go.
1848
01:38:00.130 --> 01:38:01.609
Now I know how it would go, and I don't
1849
01:38:01.649 --> 01:38:02.970
do as many shows as I used to, so I
1850
01:38:02.989 --> 01:38:09.020
have the energy again. That's fair. So we'll be doing Monster,
1851
01:38:09.060 --> 01:38:14.340
the Lizzie Borden story. Monday, Clayface. Alan Ng, or whatever
1852
01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:16.479
the hell you pronounce his last name from Film Threat,
1853
01:38:16.739 --> 01:38:18.380
apparently loved Clayface, thought it was great.
1854
01:38:19.239 --> 01:38:23.609
Yeah, there's... Look, there were a few early reviews that
1855
01:38:23.630 --> 01:38:27.520
were comparing it to Morbius. Mm-hmm. And then here's kind
1856
01:38:27.560 --> 01:38:29.670
of the reality of it if you're me. I don't
1857
01:38:29.689 --> 01:38:34.899
know how much. you'll appreciate this, but... I need to
1858
01:38:34.920 --> 01:38:38.329
remember this. Because I looked up the director.
1859
01:38:42.829 --> 01:38:47.170
He said, if you didn't... If you didn't know Clayface
1860
01:38:47.250 --> 01:38:49.609
was a Batman villain and there wasn't the DC logo
1861
01:38:49.649 --> 01:38:51.609
plaster all over it, you wouldn't know this was a
1862
01:38:51.640 --> 01:38:54.279
superhero movie. It looks like a good body horror movie.
1863
01:38:54.340 --> 01:38:54.979
That's what he said.
1864
01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:57.779
Yeah. He, the director in this case has done a
1865
01:38:57.819 --> 01:39:02.020
couple of horror movies that I'm familiar with. And one,
1866
01:39:02.260 --> 01:39:06.970
I absolutely, I loathe his speak no evil for a
1867
01:39:07.010 --> 01:39:11.369
number of reasons, but I really like Eden Lake. It
1868
01:39:11.430 --> 01:39:16.569
is a very, very unhappy movie. And I mean that
1869
01:39:16.609 --> 01:39:20.489
like as a compliment. It's one of the bleaker, darker,
1870
01:39:20.560 --> 01:39:25.399
like British horror movies of the last little bit. So again,
1871
01:39:25.420 --> 01:39:28.260
I hate his Speak No Evil remake because it changes
1872
01:39:28.300 --> 01:39:30.119
the ending and the ending is the point of Speak
1873
01:39:30.140 --> 01:39:30.560
No Evil.
1874
01:39:31.579 --> 01:39:34.020
So next week, you guys, you and Alexis have big
1875
01:39:34.039 --> 01:39:36.340
weeks ahead of you. You got, she's doing a triple
1876
01:39:36.380 --> 01:39:38.710
feature of Iron Lung Obsessions and Back Rooms.
1877
01:39:38.750 --> 01:39:39.630
That
will be Wednesday.
1878
01:39:40.210 --> 01:39:45.890
That's Tuesday. And Wednesday is Camp Crystal Lake. And then
1879
01:39:46.210 --> 01:39:48.470
I'll be back here Thursday for my own triple feature
1880
01:39:48.550 --> 01:39:52.960
with Sean and presumably cat. We're doing a director focus, um,
1881
01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:56.520
on West Craven. You're looking at shocker vampire in Brooklyn
1882
01:39:56.579 --> 01:40:00.079
and my soul to take. That's what I got going
1883
01:40:00.100 --> 01:40:01.739
on over here. What do you got going on over there?
1884
01:40:02.619 --> 01:40:11.109
Yeah. Um, yesterday, uh, we reviewed the 2026 prime mini series, Carrie, uh,
1885
01:40:11.130 --> 01:40:14.449
show run by Mike Flanagan, uh, I got together with
1886
01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:17.800
Alexis Haina and Benjamin J. Cologne, and we tackled the
1887
01:40:17.840 --> 01:40:20.920
highs and lows, the perils and pitfalls, the choices and
1888
01:40:20.979 --> 01:40:23.239
the consequences of said choices.
1889
01:40:23.819 --> 01:40:24.539
Did you bang his shoe?
1890
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I mean, literally, no. Metaphorically, not really. I have my
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issues with it. I have my positives with it. Listen
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to the review if you want to know. Okay.
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How did it compare to Midnight Mass?
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I don't think it was as good. Okay. Again, there's
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ups and downs for it. So you can tune in
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for that. Yeah. As mentioned next week, I will be
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part of a triple feature for movies directed by current
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or former YouTubers. So it will be the iron lung,
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which is directed by Markiplier obsession, which has started up
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another round of controversy. Apparently Because they're putting Nikki in Fortnite.
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Oh, goody.
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Which is normally not a thing that should matter, because
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it's not. But, you know, people. So, that, which is, again,
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directed by a former YouTuber, and The Backrooms, which was
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directed by a YouTuber, in fact, the guy who created
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The Backrooms YouTube videos, so. We will break down all
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of those for better and for worse. And then Wednesday
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will be Camp Crystal Lake, which I am almost done with.
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And I am unsure about. Yeah, next week, Clayface. Oh,
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Ben may not be able to make the Clayface review.
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That's a little up in the air, but seemed unlikely
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when we talked on Tuesday. So there may only be
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four of us instead of five. You're, you know, three,
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only two more to go before we get to Mark's
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ideal number. So, yeah, that I cover mixed martial arts
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and professional wrestling over at 411mania. com. WWE Smackdown on Fridays.
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Last week's Smackdown was not good. Hopefully this week's is
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better as they all gear up to just fly into
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a war zone to do Crown Jewel.
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Money is very important.
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If you're in a boardroom, sure. If you're the one
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who has to fly into Riyadh and go, please don't let.
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It'll be fine. Saudi Arabia's got a mutual protection pact
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with Turkey and Pakistan, so it'll be fine. The Pakistanis
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will protect them.
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The American State Department evacuated the embassies of non-essential personnel
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in Riyadh, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain. Surely nothing
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could go wrong.
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They'll be fine. They'll be protected by Pakistan.
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The Pakistanis are going to stand up to, you know,
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the various insurgent groups that are going to try and
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run roughshod on Saudi Arabia.
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They'll just tell their friends to, you know, stop for
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a day. Take a siesta.
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So, UFC 333 is in the UAE this Saturday.
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Wow.
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So, in a couple of days, I'll be covering that.
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Hang on. In defense of all that, where... Other than
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South America, what part of the world isn't currently on fire?
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Fucking Europe's all on fire. The Middle East is bombing
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itself to smithereens.
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Look, hang on. There's places in Europe you'd be okay.
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Not everywhere in Europe, but there are places. I mean,
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I know France is like rioting right now and the
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government is weak and ineffectual and it's all going to
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go real bad. But, you know, there are places Germany's okay.
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Poland is fine. They absolutely run Poland.
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Send all the events to Poland. Until Russia gets fucking
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uppity again and then starts bombing Poland.
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They've got to deal with Ukraine before they can get
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to Poland. Look, the vast majority of the United States
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is fine. It's where they've been running stuff.
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Oh, no. Here in the great state of Florida, our
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governor said if you protest in the streets, people can
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just run you over with their cars.
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Well, stop obstructing traffic.
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We're all just blocking the street. We're all just blocking
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the street.
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Come on, I've got to deliver this pizza. It's a
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company policy.
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We're all just blocking the street.
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Turning around, still blocking the street.
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I've had that stuck in my head all day today.
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I'm sorry. I'm glad I gave you the opportunity to
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use it.
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Keep going with your plug. Get out of the bathroom.
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So you can, so I will be covering again, SmackDown,
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the UFC event in the UAE. And then if you
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want details on the wide, wacky, wonderful world of mixed
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martial arts, you can find me on the hosting the
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411 Ground and Pound MMA podcast. I have a full
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preview of UFC 333. And this week we'll be, we'll
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be reviewing 333. We'll be previewing the upcoming card. And,
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And remember, if you do want to watch UFC 333,
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it has a start. The early prelims start at 10 a.m.
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Eastern because they're going to be primetime in Abu Dhabi.
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So that's where you can find me. And yeah, three
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more shows next week because I am a glutton.
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Yeah, really. Well, part of that was, you know, she
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left her cake out in the rain and that made
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a delay.
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Jason also had a scheduling conflict. So that one was
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going to get pushed back one way or the other.
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Yeah, a lot of stuff got piled into one week
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because of various things.
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So. Life happens. What do you want me to say?
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It certainly does. Just ask my ex.
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All right.
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So for Robert Winfrey, who was a good sport tonight, Robert,
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you're a good boy, Charlie Brown.
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I do what I can, Lucy.
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And for Mr. Passive Aggressive, this has been Triple Feature.
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Be well, be safe, and behave.
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Got to get, got to get, got to got to
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got to get money.