Full Transcript for Triple Feature: Obsession/Iron Lung/Backrooms

00:05:08.540 --> 00:05:13.829 name of Milk and Cereal. Cereal and Milk. This was 74 00:05:14.250 --> 00:05:17.649 starring both Barker and Cooper Thompson from their YouTube sketch 75 00:05:17.689 --> 00:05:21.350 comedy channel, That's a Bad Idea. The film followed two 76 00:05:21.449 --> 00:05:23.649 pranksters as they attempted to prank each other, only for 77 00:05:23.670 --> 00:05:26.939 the situation to dramatically spiral out of control, and it 78 00:05:26.980 --> 00:05:33.600 was made on a budget of $ 800. That sounds about right. Yeah, 79 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:41.170 Obsession got a slightly higher budget, around $ 600, 000 to $ 750, 000. 80 00:05:39.529 --> 00:05:42.089 And at the time of recording, it was rated in 81 00:05:42.310 --> 00:05:46.230 a little over $ 523 million. I believe it's still sitting 82 00:05:46.269 --> 00:05:47.170 in the top 10. 83 00:05:47.170 --> 00:05:50.500 It's number nine or number 10. 84 00:05:50.500 --> 00:05:52.920 I mean, it's not going to be there too much 85 00:05:52.980 --> 00:05:56.560 longer once, you know, Doomsday and Dune hit. But until then, 86 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.920 it's definitely one of the big success stories of the 87 00:05:59.939 --> 00:06:01.279 year financially, if nothing else. 88 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:08.560 Definitely. The film is about a gentleman named Baron, or Bear, 89 00:06:08.579 --> 00:06:11.939 as he goes by, who has long had feelings for 90 00:06:12.019 --> 00:06:15.180 a girl named Nikki. They work together, and Bear, a 91 00:06:15.220 --> 00:06:21.120 good guy, but just painfully awkwardly shy, has never been 92 00:06:21.180 --> 00:06:23.459 able to find the way to tell Nikki how he 93 00:06:23.500 --> 00:06:29.050 feels about her. He is perpetually friend-zoned. And one day, 94 00:06:29.189 --> 00:06:31.389 while looking, he goes to a store to actually get 95 00:06:31.670 --> 00:06:34.500 a crystal necklace for Nikki to replace one that she lost. 96 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.230 But he instead picks up a one-wish willow. It's a 97 00:06:38.269 --> 00:06:41.000 piece of bark from a willow tree that you break 98 00:06:41.060 --> 00:06:45.339 in half and make a wish. And he buys it 99 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:49.060 originally as a gift for Nikki, but after another botched 100 00:06:49.100 --> 00:06:51.639 attempt at telling her how he feels, in a moment 101 00:06:51.660 --> 00:06:54.399 of frustration, he takes the willow and says, I wish 102 00:06:54.420 --> 00:06:56.379 for Nikki to love me more than anyone else in 103 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:03.110 the world. Snaps, gets his wish, and. 104 00:07:03.129 --> 00:07:07.629 This poor guy never bothered to learn the story of 105 00:07:07.649 --> 00:07:08.509 the monkey's paw. 106 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:12.379 Or in the case of Curry Barker, the second seat, 107 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.500 or the treehouse of horror number two. Because Barker has 108 00:07:15.540 --> 00:07:18.420 gone on record saying that, because there

was like, oh, 109 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.199 this is a monkey's paw story. And he actually said, oh, yeah, 110 00:07:21.220 --> 00:07:23.149 you mean the Simpsons episode. That's what I based this 111 00:07:23.250 --> 00:07:23.470 off of. 112 00:07:23.490 --> 00:07:28.110 Yeah, again, we've lost the source material for so much. 113 00:07:28.129 --> 00:07:30.870 The ancient texts are going away, and it's sad. 114 00:07:32.649 --> 00:07:35.920 Well, you know, we all learn about this story in 115 00:07:36.019 --> 00:07:37.079 our own way. I mean. 116 00:07:39.170 --> 00:07:42.529 Okay, my favorite example actually is Star Wars because my 117 00:07:42.610 --> 00:07:45.589 introduction to Star Wars was not the Star Wars movies. 118 00:07:46.269 --> 00:07:51.129 It was the episode of the Muppet Babies when they 119 00:07:51.209 --> 00:07:54.410 parodied Star Wars. I had never seen it before. I mean, 120 00:07:54.430 --> 00:07:56.529 I think I'd like seen the imagery as a little kid, 121 00:07:57.050 --> 00:08:00.649 but I didn't know what it was. So we all 122 00:08:00.709 --> 00:08:03.629 come into learning these stories in different ways. you think 123 00:08:03.670 --> 00:08:05.949 about how you may have heard a song and it's like, yeah, 124 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:07.939 I heard it at first in a movie. You didn't 125 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:09.920 hear it first on the radio. You didn't just hear 126 00:08:09.939 --> 00:08:12.199 it first at a concert or whatever. It's like, no, I, 127 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:14.040 you hear it in a different way. 128 00:08:14.660 --> 00:08:17.699 So. Oh yeah. 129 00:08:17.779 --> 00:08:22.079 But the, the be careful what you wish for thing 130 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:24.769 is all, it is a classic trope. 131 00:08:27.230 --> 00:08:29.490 That it is. And yeah. 132 00:08:30.509 --> 00:08:30.870 Yeah. 133 00:08:32.070 --> 00:08:33.570 What's the actress's name? 134 00:08:34.450 --> 00:08:35.190 Indy Navarette. 135 00:08:35.669 --> 00:08:42.179 Indy Navarette is absolutely amazing in this role. She is 136 00:08:42.220 --> 00:08:46.960 completely unhinged. She no longer has control over herself. And 137 00:08:46.980 --> 00:08:52.019 she has become completely insane and dependent on whatever Bear wants. 138 00:08:53.779 --> 00:08:56.620 But there's also, unfortunately, been a lot of backlash to this. 139 00:08:56.950 --> 00:09:00.169 Nikki has been ranked right up there with Modern Horror 140 00:09:00.230 --> 00:09:04.899 Movie Monsters. along the likes of, in more recent years, 141 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:10.659 I'd say something like Freddy Fazbear, the first version of 142 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:17.690 the Megan Robot. Oh my God, what was Ethan Hawke's 143 00:09:17.809 --> 00:09:19.669 character's name in the Black Phone movies? 144 00:09:21.409 --> 00:09:22.110 Oh, The Grabber. 145 00:09:22.509 --> 00:09:26.080 The Grabber, thank you. These are all ones we've seen 146 00:09:26.179 --> 00:09:29.399 more prolific in modern movies. Oh, Art the Clown, there's 147 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:29.779 a good one. 148 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:30.480 Oh, yeah. 149 00:09:32.309 --> 00:09:37.440 And yeah, Nikki has left a massive impact on it, 150 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:41.059 especially due to a really successful marketing campaign. One of 151 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.720 my favorite things I found out is that they released 152 00:09:43.779 --> 00:09:46.620 a phone number that you could text. And it was 153 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:51.549 texting Nikki. And a friend of mine actually tried it. 154 00:09:52.710 --> 00:09:57.389 And the more you text, the more unhinged the text becomes. 155 00:09:57.409 --> 00:09:59.970 I mean, eventually you just have to delete and block. 156 00:10:00.149 --> 00:10:03.830 the number. But it's obviously an AI, but it just 157 00:10:03.870 --> 00:10:06.750 gets worse and worse and worse. 158 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:11.240 You know, some of us don't need a reminder of 159 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:14.320 that particular situation in your life. 160 00:10:14.620 --> 00:10:17.720 But if you've never experienced it, I suppose it would 161 00:10:17.740 --> 00:10:18.379 be a novelty. 162 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:23.149 That is true. So Nikki has also been added as 163 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:27.720 a walk-around character at the Universal Halloween Haunts. If you've 164 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:29.240 ever been to this, you know that they do a 165 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:35.330 series of haunted houses based on popular horror movies, video games, 166 00:10:35.370 --> 00:10:37.529 TV shows. We've seen them do The Walking Dead, The 167 00:10:38.350 --> 00:10:44.169 Last of Us. Again, terrifier, things like this. I still 168 00:10:44.190 --> 00:10:47.409 remember Jason telling us about going through The Last of 169 00:10:47.490 --> 00:10:51.070 Us Haunted House and like nearly like sidelining the guy 170 00:10:51.190 --> 00:10:55.409 dressed as the giant, one of the giant monsters. Because 171 00:10:55.769 --> 00:10:57.370 it's like, well, I need to get past you. The 172 00:10:57.389 --> 00:11:03.129 dude wouldn't get out of his way. But this has 173 00:11:03.169 --> 00:11:05.740 caused a lot of feedback because the character of Nikki, 174 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:11.269 she's not really a movie monster anymore. She's kind of possessed. 175 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:15.879 This is sort of where I, having thought about this 176 00:11:15.940 --> 00:11:20.200 particular movie a bit, and sort of the controversy, the 177 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.460 controversy kicked back up because they're adding her to Fortnite. 178 00:11:25.580 --> 00:11:28.909 Fortnite is adding everything. They just added the characters from 179 00:11:28.970 --> 00:11:30.149 Has Been Hotel. 180 00:11:31.470 --> 00:11:35.570 Which is sort of my thing there. The entire underlying 181 00:11:35.649 --> 00:11:41.120 ethos of Fortnite is the very simple... formulation of find 182 00:11:41.179 -->

00:11:43.370 popular thing, put popular thing in game. 183 00:11:44.490 --> 00:11:46.750 You know, it's funny. I sell a lot of geek 184 00:11:46.789 --> 00:11:48.629 based jewelry and I sell a lot of it based 185 00:11:48.669 --> 00:11:50.809 off of various video games that I've had some kids come. 186 00:11:50.830 --> 00:11:53.230 It's like, yeah, Fortnite stuff. And I've just sort of 187 00:11:53.289 --> 00:11:57.879 stared down like nobody plays Fortnite because it's Fortnite. They 188 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:01.700 play it for the pop culture references. Every time I've 189 00:12:01.740 --> 00:12:06.850 seen someone live streaming Fortnite, they're playing as from Amazing 190 00:12:06.870 --> 00:12:11.870 Digital Circus or Scarlet Spider or something. Nobody plays Fortnite. 191 00:12:12.450 --> 00:12:17.029 The value of Fortnite, it's like a Funko Pop. It's 192 00:12:17.049 --> 00:12:19.049 like the value of the Funko Pop is not the pop. 193 00:12:19.190 --> 00:12:21.529 It's the value of what pop culture thing you have 194 00:12:21.629 --> 00:12:22.870 stapled onto it. 195 00:12:25.029 --> 00:12:26.889 Yeah, there was a time when Fortnite, just as a 196 00:12:26.929 --> 00:12:28.990 game on its own, had a fair amount of value, 197 00:12:29.009 --> 00:12:31.610 but it got so much value that crossover events became 198 00:12:31.629 --> 00:12:33.129 the entire business model. 199 00:12:33.210 --> 00:12:35.279 Again, what can we... put in here. 200 00:12:36.220 --> 00:12:38.950 And again, they're just like, find popular thing, put popular 201 00:12:38.990 --> 00:12:41.429 thing in here. It's not really more complicated than that. 202 00:12:41.450 --> 00:12:43.169 I don't think anyone in charge of that game is 203 00:12:43.269 --> 00:12:47.789 capable of more complex thought than that. But to the 204 00:12:47.830 --> 00:12:52.009 point about Nikki, it's the way we've kind of, the 205 00:12:52.049 --> 00:12:55.580 kind of reception here has reminded me that it's been 206 00:12:55.620 --> 00:12:58.879 a minute since horror has done the thing that Obsession 207 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:03.379 is doing, and that's creating a separate movie monster from 208 00:13:03.419 --> 00:13:08.940 a movie villain. Because Nikki is absolutely the horror monster 209 00:13:09.019 --> 00:13:09.620 of the story. 210 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:10.360 She is the. 211 00:13:11.299 --> 00:13:14.080 She's giving the crazy performance. She's the one who brains 212 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:16.019 that poor girl with a brick through a window. 213 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:19.669 She's the one who digs up and makes the cat 214 00:13:19.710 --> 00:13:20.769 into a sandwich. 215 00:13:22.769 --> 00:13:23.370 Yeah. 216 00:13:23.669 --> 00:13:23.870 Yeah. 217 00:13:24.029 --> 00:13:25.429 Hey, food critic, how's it taste? 218 00:13:25.649 --> 00:13:26.029 Cat. 219 00:13:26.529 --> 00:13:29.740 I still remember hearing... I saw this at a packed, 220 00:13:30.250 --> 00:13:34.509 packed theater weeks after it had been released. And I mean, like, 221 00:13:34.710 --> 00:13:38.169 shoulder to shoulder, scrunched in every seat taken. And when 222 00:13:38.590 --> 00:13:40.710 the audience realized what he was eating, you could hear 223 00:13:40.830 --> 00:13:45.090 just this gasp and gag at the same time. Just 224 00:13:45.110 --> 00:13:49.450 this wave of revolt, you know, just rise through the theater. 225 00:13:50.029 --> 00:13:54.049 So she's absolutely the horror monster. 226 00:13:55.610 --> 00:13:57.529 She is unequivocally not the villain. 227 00:13:59.740 --> 00:14:00.980 No, the villain is Bear. 228 00:14:01.860 --> 00:14:02.600 Yeah. 229 00:14:02.620 --> 00:14:05.220 And the distinction between those two points is something that 230 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:09.120 there's a fairly lengthy history and horror of this being 231 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:12.799 the case. I mean, to the, I mean, way back, 232 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:16.990 like the original, you know, Frankenstein, there's a, especially the 233 00:14:17.070 --> 00:14:18.750 universal version of Frankenstein. 234 00:14:20.129 --> 00:14:24.350 The creature is not really the villain. Like it's just 235 00:14:24.409 --> 00:14:25.029 the monster. 236 00:14:27.669 --> 00:14:33.269 Um, There's not really a villain in the werewolf, or 237 00:14:33.289 --> 00:14:36.860 the wolfman, rather, because it's just kind of like the 238 00:14:36.889 --> 00:14:41.120 bad luck in the monster manifest, but. 239 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.659 Larry Talbot is not a villain in the traditional sense. 240 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:46.600 He's just the poor schmuck who got bit. 241 00:14:49.950 --> 00:14:51.970 The creature from the Black Lagoon, again, it's just kind 242 00:14:52.009 --> 00:14:57.440 of a monster. It's not really a villain at We 243 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:00.950 can go on down the list. There's a fairly lengthy... 244 00:15:00.870 --> 00:15:07.809 The first Hellraiser movie. The Cenobites are not the villain. 245 00:15:07.830 --> 00:15:10.899 Yeah, they have a code by which they live by. 246 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:14.659 You open the box. We show up. We take you 247 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:16.740 with us. The villain is Frank. 248 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:18.580 Frank and Julia. 249 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:20.919 Yeah. 250 00:15:21.299 --> 00:15:24.240 Some combination of those two, depending on how... you want 251 00:15:24.259 --> 00:15:27.919 to feel about it. And Julie is absolutely... Julie and, like, 252 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.299 Chardart are the villains of the second one. Again, still 253 00:15:30.340 --> 00:15:31.500 not quite, you know, Pinhead. 254 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:36.090 Pinhead doesn't actually become a villain kind of until the 255 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:40.049 third one, and then you have the concept of Pinhead 256 00:15:40.090 --> 00:15:47.049 being separate from the human host. Yeah. The soul that 257 00:15:47.090 --> 00:15:50.210 was changed by Labyrinth.

258 00:15:51.769 --> 00:15:54.269 The reality is, like, all the best villains uh hellraiser 259 00:15:54.340 --> 00:15:57.139 movies the centibites are not the villains they're just but 260 00:15:57.179 --> 00:16:00.200 they are the monsters like they're the they're the ones 261 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:01.600 that get on the posters they're the. 262 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:05.360 One to get on the you know uh. 263 00:16:04.620 --> 00:16:07.440 Vhs boxes and whatnot so they're the ones that get 264 00:16:07.460 --> 00:16:12.830 all the play no one's putting julia you know as 265 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:14.809 the the big horror icon that came out of the 266 00:16:14.830 --> 00:16:19.139 hellraiser franchise even though she is the most villainous, I think. 267 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:21.659 I mean, Frank's a villain too, but like Julia is 268 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:23.580 really insidious in those. 269 00:16:23.940 --> 00:16:27.600 Well, the plan was for Julia to be the returning villain. 270 00:16:27.700 --> 00:16:30.779 The end of Hellraiser 2 was not supposed to be 271 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:35.240 the pillar rising out of the mattress covered in blood. 272 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:37.720 It was supposed to be Julia wearing that dress, but 273 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.259 it's no longer that kind of ivory blue color. It's black. 274 00:16:41.580 --> 00:16:43.940 The idea that she is now the queen of, she 275 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.879 is now representing Leviathan. She is the queen of the labyrinth. 276 00:16:47.549 --> 00:16:51.690 But in the process, they realized, oh God, no, Pinhead 277 00:16:51.750 --> 00:16:54.450 is the most popular character. We need to focus on him. 278 00:16:54.700 --> 00:16:58.779 Well, that and the actress who plays Julia was like, no, 279 00:16:58.820 --> 00:17:03.480 two's enough. The combination of those two things led to 280 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:05.680 them going in the direction they did. Depending on which 281 00:17:05.809 --> 00:17:09.609 version of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre we're talking about, Leatherface is. 282 00:17:09.630 --> 00:17:12.069 Not a villain. He is the movie monster. 283 00:17:13.259 --> 00:17:15.059 Again, that sort of gets into which version and which 284 00:17:15.130 --> 00:17:18.019 reading of which version you're going after. And that whole 285 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:19.920 franchise is its own kettle of fish. 286 00:17:19.940 --> 00:17:23.740 Going back to Obsession. 287 00:17:25.180 --> 00:17:28.859 My point there was, it actually has been a little 288 00:17:28.900 --> 00:17:31.779 bit since we've played with. 289 00:17:31.700 --> 00:17:33.880 The movie monster is not the movie villain. 290 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:39.599 And the language shift in general has been to just 291 00:17:39.619 --> 00:17:45.250 sort of unequivocally conflate monster with villain in sort of 292 00:17:45.289 --> 00:17:47.730 conventional language. That's a distinction that used to be a 293 00:17:47.750 --> 00:17:49.819 bit easier to draw, and it's become a bit more 294 00:17:50.980 --> 00:17:53.480 difficult now because we're just happy to refer to bad 295 00:17:53.539 --> 00:17:54.680 people as monsters. 296 00:17:55.859 --> 00:17:58.359 And the end. 297 00:17:58.299 --> 00:18:01.559 Result is that when you get a situation where the 298 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:08.890 monster is sympathetic or sort of, and again, in some 299 00:18:08.910 --> 00:18:10.930 of these other cases, like not really. 300 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:15.880 Acting according to like malicious agency, but just like forces 301 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:21.960 of nature or aspects of reality. Trying to separate the 302 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:27.369 monster from the villain becomes more complicated. And when it 303 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:31.690 comes to this movie, yeah, Nikki is the monster in 304 00:18:31.730 --> 00:18:33.069 the sense that she is the. 305 00:18:35.410 --> 00:18:37.650 She's the one doing a lot of the crazy stuff. 306 00:18:37.710 --> 00:18:40.269 She's the one that is the source of your fear. 307 00:18:40.329 --> 00:18:45.220 She gets a bunch of very good scares. But do 308 00:18:45.259 --> 00:18:47.339 I think she's the bad guy? Again, is she the 309 00:18:47.420 --> 00:18:52.349 villain of the story? One million percent not. You magically 310 00:18:52.509 --> 00:18:55.549 forced onto this poor person. 311 00:18:57.430 --> 00:18:59.730 The complete loss of agency. 312 00:19:00.849 --> 00:19:03.430 At which point, if you have no agency, you're not 313 00:19:03.609 --> 00:19:05.950 really responsible for what you do. 314 00:19:05.970 --> 00:19:08.089 Like, inherently. So.... 315 00:19:09.369 --> 00:19:11.970 All of it can be chalked up to a scene 316 00:19:12.049 --> 00:19:14.750 in the movie. And, I mean, this is the definitive 317 00:19:14.789 --> 00:19:19.190 scene that spells it all out. Bear leaves. Nikki's in bed. 318 00:19:19.309 --> 00:19:22.309 And Nikki starts talking to him in her sleep. And 319 00:19:22.670 --> 00:19:26.000 she says, no, it's the real Nikki. But she's able 320 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:30.059 to talk to him while the other Nikki is asleep. 321 00:19:30.500 --> 00:19:33.180 And we could go down a rabbit hole of who's 322 00:19:33.339 --> 00:19:35.740 the other Nikki. Because I have heard demon. I have 323 00:19:35.779 --> 00:19:38.160 heard it was the spirit of Bear's dead cat. 324 00:19:38.180 --> 00:19:38.250 Yes. 325 00:19:39.009 --> 00:19:44.000 I have heard so many theories. It's not important. But 326 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.289 the real Nikki manages to break through and she tells Bear, 327 00:19:48.230 --> 00:19:51.890 she implores him, kill me. Because when you have lost 328 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.599 complete control of your body and your choices, for many 329 00:19:56.619 --> 00:19:59.880 of us, there cannot be a worse fate. Nikki is 330 00:19:59.960 --> 00:20:03.720 doomed to just live a life behind the eyes of 331 00:20:03.740

--> 00:20:08.589 the world. acting out whatever this other Nikki tells her 332 00:20:08.609 --> 00:20:12.490 to do. She has no control, and she is beyond 333 00:20:12.549 --> 00:20:16.289 the breaking point. She wants out. She begs Bear to 334 00:20:16.309 --> 00:20:18.730 kill him, and Bear, she says, I'm not the one 335 00:20:18.769 --> 00:20:21.009 who wants to be with you. I'm not the one 336 00:20:21.029 --> 00:20:22.410 who's been doing all of this. 337 00:20:22.470 --> 00:20:22.750 It's her. 338 00:20:23.089 --> 00:20:25.609 And Bear looks at her and goes, is being with 339 00:20:25.650 --> 00:20:32.930 me really so bad? Bear is insulted that Nikki... Yeah. 340 00:20:33.210 --> 00:20:35.490 Again, he's really the one that. 341 00:20:36.980 --> 00:20:38.460 Again, if you want to point to, like, who's the 342 00:20:38.500 --> 00:20:40.339 bad guy, yeah, dude, it's him. 343 00:20:41.059 --> 00:20:41.430 There's a. 344 00:20:42.259 --> 00:20:46.319 Mostly, I could forgive the... You can forgive the moment 345 00:20:46.339 --> 00:20:49.599 of weakness. Like, you're playing with a novelty toy. Yeah, 346 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:52.460 make a wish. Like, sure, here's a pie-in-the-sky wish that 347 00:20:52.509 --> 00:20:55.829 I worried improperly. Because, no, I don't take this seriously. 348 00:20:55.869 --> 00:20:56.450 Why would you? 349 00:20:56.470 --> 00:20:59.670 Well, I mean, at the end, he gives another one-wish-well 350 00:20:59.690 --> 00:21:02.430 to his friend, who we find out has been kind 351 00:21:02.470 --> 00:21:06.420 of sleeping on and off with Nikki, so... little shock 352 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:08.799 that Nikki suddenly thrown herself at bear and he gives 353 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:11.220 him the will and says, I need you to undo 354 00:21:11.339 --> 00:21:14.220 my wish. And what does he do? He, he has 355 00:21:14.259 --> 00:21:15.839 what he thinks is just this toy and his friend 356 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:18.200 having an emotional breakdown. It goes, Oh, I don't know. 357 00:21:18.299 --> 00:21:21.900 I wish I had a billion dollars and all that. 358 00:21:21.460 --> 00:21:23.420 Money starts raining from the roof. 359 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:27.920 Yeah. And I love when he shows up like, no, dude, 360 00:21:28.009 --> 00:21:30.769 this is real money. I have like a billion dollars. 361 00:21:30.809 --> 00:21:34.049 Just what else do you say in that situation? 362 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:43.670 So I could forgive that. I mean, that's understandable. Bear's 363 00:21:43.690 --> 00:21:51.089 villainy becomes significantly more insidious and significantly more reprehensible as 364 00:21:51.150 --> 00:21:57.900 he just deliberately ignores off-ramp after off-ramp after off-ramp. You 365 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:00.349 can make a mistake, and then you could have tried 366 00:22:00.390 --> 00:22:02.609 to fix this a lot sooner than you did, buddy. 367 00:22:02.869 --> 00:22:06.289 And then you just make everything worse, and you just 368 00:22:06.329 --> 00:22:09.230 keep making bad decision after bad decision after bad decision. 369 00:22:11.059 --> 00:22:12.240 And in the end, when he. 370 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:16.500 He tries to kill himself, because that's the only way 371 00:22:16.539 --> 00:22:20.900 to really end the wish at that point. Then around 372 00:22:20.940 --> 00:22:23.990 the same time as he's ingesting a bunch of poison to... 373 00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:27.880 kill himself nikki breaks a one wish willow and wishes 374 00:22:27.900 --> 00:22:30.319 that he loved her as much as she loves him 375 00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:34.630 so they spend a couple of a little bit together 376 00:22:34.670 --> 00:22:39.490 before the poison kicks in then she distraught almost commits 377 00:22:39.549 --> 00:22:44.490 suicide romeo and juliet style but potentially in a crueler 378 00:22:44.569 --> 00:22:47.180 twist of fate the wish ends and poor nikki is 379 00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:49.279 just left with the aftermath of all of this. 380 00:22:49.990 --> 00:22:53.390 Don't forget, in addition to bludgeoning Sarah's brains out, she 381 00:22:53.410 --> 00:22:55.630 also killed the friend who wished for the billion dollars 382 00:22:55.670 --> 00:22:58.079 when he tried to just come into the house and 383 00:22:58.099 --> 00:23:00.430 she was just like, no, bad timing. 384 00:23:02.930 --> 00:23:03.500 Yep. 385 00:23:04.220 --> 00:23:06.480 So now poor Nikki is going to wind up in 386 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.160 jail for the rest of her life for killing two people. 387 00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:13.680 Apparently the original ending did have her killing herself, but 388 00:23:13.700 --> 00:23:17.279 they decided at the last minute, no, this is far worse. And, Again, 389 00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:20.920 it's that ending, that the moment, you know, she drops 390 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:22.759 the gun, you know, she's about to put, you know, 391 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:26.200 pull the trigger and suddenly, it's like, you almost hear 392 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:28.049 kind of like a, like a needle drop, like a 393 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:28.980 record scratch. 394 00:23:29.210 --> 00:23:31.990 There's a sound key that goes off. Yeah. 395 00:23:32.069 --> 00:23:35.029 There's a different sound that's like escalating quietly in the 396 00:23:35.069 --> 00:23:38.470 background as she raised the gun, then, you know, drop 397 00:23:39.390 --> 00:23:40.859 and it's gone. 398 00:23:40.890 --> 00:23:42.299 And it's just like, oh no. 399 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:48.349 And, and, and, and, The shock that comes over her 400 00:23:48.369 --> 00:23:51.109 as she realizes she's back in control. And she's like, oh, God, 401 00:23:51.450 --> 00:23:56.269 Bear's dead. Ian is dead. Sarah is dead. Just the 402 00:23:56.309 --> 00:24:00.819 way her screams get louder and louder. She's just freaking out. 403 00:24:00.900 --> 00:24:04.779 It is so well done. It is a brilliant ending. Again, 404 00:24:04.799 -->

00:24:08.509 Indy Navarrete is so good in this. she has just 405 00:24:08.589 --> 00:24:11.250 recently been cast in the X-Men reboot. She's going to 406 00:24:11.269 --> 00:24:13.829 play Rogue. And I think that was a great choice. 407 00:24:14.190 --> 00:24:16.859 This is an actress that I am thrilled we are 408 00:24:16.910 --> 00:24:17.730 seeing more of. 409 00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:21.200 One of the great things about what she does in 410 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:26.180 this movie is there's a bit of a lost art. 411 00:24:26.740 --> 00:24:30.339 It's not lost. It just really dropped out of popularity. 412 00:24:31.329 --> 00:24:36.140 The notion of when you're acting, performing. Because for a 413 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:39.569 long time, everyone kind of got sucked down the rabbit 414 00:24:39.609 --> 00:24:41.390 hole of, well, we need to be as subtle and 415 00:24:41.410 --> 00:24:43.710 realistic as possible in our acting. And the more subtle 416 00:24:43.730 --> 00:24:48.829 and realistic you are, the better you are, which I 417 00:24:48.869 --> 00:24:51.130 appreciate that style of acting, but the notion that's the 418 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:54.519 only way you can go about things. That's kind of 419 00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:59.859 where I have an issue. Um, And the last little bit, 420 00:24:59.980 --> 00:25:02.000 and God bless Nicolas Cage for being like one of 421 00:25:02.019 --> 00:25:04.460 the few guys out there still performing for like the 422 00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:07.519 entirety of his career instead of just, you know, getting 423 00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:11.980 deep into acting. I mean, if you want another example 424 00:25:12.029 --> 00:25:13.450 of this, I mean, if you watch like the best 425 00:25:13.490 --> 00:25:15.589 of Jack Nicholson, the man is performing. 426 00:25:16.130 --> 00:25:18.089 He's not just, well. 427 00:25:18.150 --> 00:25:20.549 How deep into my motivation can I get and how 428 00:25:20.589 --> 00:25:22.849 much brooding can I do and how much interest, like 429 00:25:23.170 --> 00:25:27.750 there's an element of honest to goodness, like performance to 430 00:25:27.789 --> 00:25:29.710 what He was doing. 431 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:32.359 Like with his face. And with his line delivery. It's 432 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:34.099 not just realism. 433 00:25:34.819 --> 00:25:41.019 It's performance. Nicolas Cage gives a performance. Indy Navarrete here. 434 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:46.750 Gives a performance. And it's great. One of the other 435 00:25:46.769 --> 00:25:50.069 things that her. What she does in this movie. Really 436 00:25:50.170 --> 00:25:52.869 kind of. Laid bare to me. At least as a 437 00:25:52.930 --> 00:25:53.930 visual thing. 438 00:25:55.750 --> 00:26:01.289 For the last. 20 years give or take. There's been 439 00:26:01.349 --> 00:26:07.529 a lot of... Let me preface what I'm about to 440 00:26:07.569 --> 00:26:10.210 say with I am not. 441 00:26:10.109 --> 00:26:13.589 Saying this is a mistake.

I'm saying these are choices 442 00:26:13.609 --> 00:26:17.079 that were made and here's the consequence. We have dealt 443 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:23.460 with a lot of actors and actresses basically nuking their 444 00:26:23.500 --> 00:26:28.119 faces with Botox and other materials to the point where 445 00:26:28.420 --> 00:26:37.880 this doesn't move. And there's still, you can still have very, again, 446 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:40.799 I'm not saying, this is not a judgment. This is 447 00:26:40.819 --> 00:26:43.920 just a statement. That became a big thing for quite 448 00:26:43.940 --> 00:26:48.109 a while. Because, well, if nothing moves, then I don't 449 00:26:48.140 --> 00:26:51.089 get wrinkles as easily. Okay, look, that's a choice. I 450 00:26:51.150 --> 00:26:53.569 am not shaming anyone for it. I'm saying the consequence 451 00:26:53.710 --> 00:26:56.410 is you kind of kill a bunch of the muscles 452 00:26:56.490 --> 00:26:58.809 up there. You paralyze them so they don't move all 453 00:26:58.829 --> 00:26:59.190 that much. 454 00:27:00.349 --> 00:27:04.950 Don't have to tell me twice. Again, Bell's palsy, nerve damage. 455 00:27:05.109 --> 00:27:07.369 I'm barely going to get wrinkles up here just because 456 00:27:07.390 --> 00:27:08.430 those nerves are dead. 457 00:27:08.450 --> 00:27:10.700 Yeah, and. 458 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.839 So we've been dealing with a lot of actors and 459 00:27:15.940 --> 00:27:21.240 actresses who have done that. And it just, when you 460 00:27:21.299 --> 00:27:24.799 see the contrast, and again, no judgment. I'm not saying 461 00:27:24.819 --> 00:27:29.019 anyone's bad for doing that. But looking at the contrast 462 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:33.140 between someone who can't really move the top part of 463 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:36.480 their face and someone who has the full range of 464 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:40.069 motion still is night and day. 465 00:27:42.490 --> 00:27:43.170 There was another one. 466 00:27:43.190 --> 00:27:46.730 I don't know the show that it's from, but there 467 00:27:46.750 --> 00:27:48.730 was a clip that circulated kind of further. 468 00:27:48.509 --> 00:27:52.799 Emphasizing this point. It was... I want to say it's 469 00:27:52.819 --> 00:27:56.839 from Euphoria, but don't quote me. Because it's a very... 470 00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:00.160 It's an actress who's clearly. 471 00:27:59.859 --> 00:28:04.000 Had work done being very angry, but there's no sign 472 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.539 of her anger in her face because there's no movement 473 00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:11.819 in her face. Like opposite, I think it was Sydney Sweeney, 474 00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:15.440 who has not had a lot of work done on 475 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:16.509 her face at this point. 476 00:28:16.940 --> 00:28:18.420 Well, she's really young, so. 477 00:28:18.589 --> 00:28:18.849 Yeah. 478 00:28:20.309 --> 00:28:24.250 So she's able to like give good facial reactions to 479 00:28:24.309 --> 00:28:26.309 everything that's going on. And then you cut back to 480 00:28:26.349 --> 00:28:30.460 this other person who's got no movement like in any 481 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:35.579 of this and the the contrast is incredibly stark and 482 00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:40.359 so watching indeed navarette get to like i mean this 483 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.329 comparison is a compliment she's almost got like jim carrey 484 00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:45.650 rubber face going on for a lot of this. 485 00:28:46.430 --> 00:28:49.230 Being able to say especially that scene in the party 486 00:28:49.289 --> 00:28:52.450 when she has to do that frown oh. 487 00:28:52.190 --> 00:28:56.539 God that that looks like a if I didn't know better, 488 00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:59.700 like I would have sworn they'd enhanced that. Like suddenly 489 00:28:59.740 --> 00:29:02.259 her mouth is like the size of her face as 490 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:03.160 she's frowning. 491 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:05.279 It's, it's, it's kind of crazy. 492 00:29:08.269 --> 00:29:10.769 So, but seeing her be able, giving just such a 493 00:29:10.950 --> 00:29:15.549 great performance, like going through the whole range of what 494 00:29:15.589 --> 00:29:20.430 you can do, showing off the mobility of your facial configuration, 495 00:29:20.450 --> 00:29:23.390 your facial muscles, a tremendous job. 496 00:29:23.430 --> 00:29:26.069 Yeah. I'm, Very happy to see what she might do 497 00:29:26.150 --> 00:29:36.789 as Rogue. She's definitely the standout performance in this movie. 498 00:29:38.329 --> 00:29:39.269 Very happy to see. 499 00:29:39.170 --> 00:29:42.480 Her keep moving on to bigger and better things because 500 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:48.769 this was really good stuff. And it's, again, to her 501 00:29:48.829 --> 00:29:51.829 credit that you can still feel deep sympathy for the 502 00:29:51.869 --> 00:29:55.630 character while also, as she does more and more unhinged stuff, 503 00:29:55.670 --> 00:29:59.150 kind of go, you know... I do feel bad for you, 504 00:29:59.250 --> 00:30:06.369 but we're going to have to, you're feeding me my 505 00:30:06.430 --> 00:30:09.410 own cat at this point. Like that's been dead for weeks. 506 00:30:09.430 --> 00:30:10.329 Yeah. 507 00:30:10.490 --> 00:30:12.250 Well, like I said, there's unfortunately has been a really 508 00:30:12.289 --> 00:30:16.390 nasty reaction to people associating her as a movie monster, 509 00:30:16.470 --> 00:30:18.849 very much of what they're doing with the Halloween horror haunt. 510 00:30:20.170 --> 00:30:25.119 And I mean, to them, they're basically saying you're making 511 00:30:25.190 --> 00:30:28.779 fun of a rape victim in a way. Because, I mean, 512 00:30:28.819 --> 00:30:31.559 there is no way around it. She is being sexually 513 00:30:31.619 --> 00:30:33.900 assaulted when she and Bear sleep together and she has 514 00:30:33.940 --> 00:30:39.140 no control over her body. That's unpleasant, but that's the 515

00:30:39.180 --> 00:30:39.740 way it is. 516 00:30:41.569 --> 00:30:46.369 I think my, to the extent that there's sort of 517 00:30:46.390 --> 00:30:48.349 something to say about this, it kind of just goes 518 00:30:48.410 --> 00:30:51.250 as follows. Like, yes, she's a victim of sexual assault. 519 00:30:51.430 --> 00:30:54.710 One million percent, not going to even remotely pretend otherwise. 520 00:30:58.759 --> 00:31:01.279 I don't know why that has to be all. Why 521 00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:03.960 are we locking her character at that point? Is that 522 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.299 all she ever gets to be? And so we freeze 523 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.599 her in Lucite as rape victim and this is all 524 00:31:09.619 --> 00:31:15.420 she is? The other sort of thing about this, and 525 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:22.670 I do understand that these aren't the strictest of one-to-one comparisons, 526 00:31:22.789 --> 00:31:26.220 but If we want to go down the long list 527 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.650 of popular characters that were victims of some form, especially 528 00:31:30.670 --> 00:31:36.650 some very explicit forms of sexual assault, then we would 529 00:31:36.750 --> 00:31:40.579 never do anything with the bride. We would never do 530 00:31:40.690 --> 00:31:43.339 anything with Mark from Invincible, who gets raped by one 531 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:45.579 of the female Viltrumites. 532 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:50.519 We would never do anything with Regan from The Exorcist. 533 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:55.000 We'd never do anything with Batgirl. Barbara Gordon would be 534 00:31:55.079 --> 00:32:01.480 just frozen over there. Like I'm, I understand that. Like, 535 00:32:03.089 --> 00:32:04.609 I know why it's a sensitive topic. 536 00:32:04.849 --> 00:32:05.549 I really do. 537 00:32:05.589 --> 00:32:10.109 And I'm not telling anyone that being sensitive around this 538 00:32:10.470 --> 00:32:18.240 is a bad reaction. I'm that, Part of what also 539 00:32:18.289 --> 00:32:20.089 has gone on is people have started to, like, again, 540 00:32:20.170 --> 00:32:24.769 impugn motives. Like, you put the right victim in the 541 00:32:24.809 --> 00:32:26.549 game where she's just going to get shot over and 542 00:32:26.630 --> 00:32:27.630 over again in Fortnite. 543 00:32:27.650 --> 00:32:30.920 Like, again, the Fortnite. 544 00:32:30.460 --> 00:32:33.920 Model is very simple and has nothing to do with 545 00:32:34.299 --> 00:32:38.000 anything other than popular thing. Put popular thing in game. 546 00:32:39.019 --> 00:32:43.269 Nikki is a popular character. Okay, put popular character into game. 547 00:32:44.150 --> 00:32:46.539 It's not popular. it's not complicated. 548 00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:52.259 And that's really all that's going on there. And so again, 549 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:56.259 I am fine with, if you're, if you want to 550 00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.940 designate her as the, like, again, the monster of the movie, 551 00:33:00.269 --> 00:33:01.289 I'm okay with that. 552 00:33:01.369 --> 00:33:03.170 As long as you in the same breath go, but 553 00:33:03.230 --> 00:33:09.269 she's very much not the villain because she's not, she's 554 00:33:09.329 --> 00:33:16.910 just not that she's, it's a weird distinction to draw. 555 00:33:17.029 --> 00:33:17.430 I know. 556 00:33:17.630 --> 00:33:21.599 And I completely understand if other people, you know, don't 557 00:33:21.779 --> 00:33:24.220 draw that same one that I do, but if you 558 00:33:24.259 --> 00:33:25.900 want to know like why I've landed on this, where 559 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.619 I've landed on this, it's just that it's because I 560 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:34.400 can look at what her character does and go, Oh boy, that, yeah, 561 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:36.559 that's really creepy. 562 00:33:36.579 --> 00:33:41.309 And that's really monstrous. But, you know, again, the Frankenstein 563 00:33:41.349 --> 00:33:42.609 creature drowns a little girl. 564 00:33:43.579 --> 00:33:46.380 In the universal movies. He does much more worse things 565 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.309 in the book, but in the book he's, he has, 566 00:33:48.349 --> 00:33:50.549 he has agency and that's a whole other conversation. 567 00:33:52.009 --> 00:33:55.349 Frankly, he's still in the novel. 568 00:33:55.410 --> 00:33:58.890 He and Victor occupy co-villains depending on which part of 569 00:33:58.910 --> 00:34:00.509 the book you're discussing. 570 00:34:01.829 --> 00:34:02.089 Yeah. 571 00:34:02.630 --> 00:34:02.849 Yeah. 572 00:34:02.869 --> 00:34:04.829 I've read the book. I've got a copy of the book. 573 00:34:04.930 --> 00:34:05.519 I love it. 574 00:34:06.380 --> 00:34:08.199 If you want more discussion on that, listen to our 575 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.320 review of Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein from last year. 576 00:34:13.030 --> 00:34:17.880 I think about the characterization of Nikki. Again, I brought 577 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.159 up Reagan for a reason because I kind of compare 578 00:34:20.219 --> 00:34:23.900 them as the same. Someone, a friend of mine on 579 00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:27.159 Facebook posted about the Halloween horror haunts and having Nikki 580 00:34:27.179 --> 00:34:31.539 as a walk around character. And I compared it to 581 00:34:31.659 --> 00:34:37.170 Reagan because there isn't, that is another horror icon who 582 00:34:37.269 --> 00:34:40.730 lost complete agency and control over herself and her body. 583 00:34:41.789 --> 00:34:45.170 She is possessed by the devil, Pazuzu, whatever you want 584 00:34:45.210 --> 00:34:45.489 to say. 585 00:34:45.510 --> 00:34:47.269 Some demon, yeah. Yeah. 586 00:34:47.849 --> 00:34:51.280 I don't know. I'm the demon of the southwest wind. 587 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.019 I used to be important. Google it! 588 00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.519 Depends on which version of Pazuzu you want to look up, 589 00:34:57.539 --> 00:34:58.920 because if you get, like. 590 00:34:58.960

--> 00:35:00.579 That was a Treehouse of Horror reference. 591 00:35:00.619 --> 00:35:02.019 Oh, no, I remember that one. 592 00:35:02.380 --> 00:35:04.920 That's one of my... I'm sorry, that's one of my favorites, like, 593 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.469 demon me out that's all you do well i say 594 00:35:07.510 --> 00:35:09.929 it too many times i'm sorry that that's one of 595 00:35:09.969 --> 00:35:15.610 my favorite episodes but i i compared it in a 596 00:35:15.670 --> 00:35:19.469 similar way it's like reagan is a movie monster but 597 00:35:19.510 --> 00:35:22.570 again she is not the villain she's possessed she loses 598 00:35:22.610 --> 00:35:26.050 her control but we also think just about how amazing 599 00:35:26.090 --> 00:35:29.130 that portrayal was i mean uh tatum o'neill won a 600 00:35:29.170 --> 00:35:33.219 freaking oscar And there is talk about Indy Navarrete getting 601 00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:36.360 nominated for this, which I don't know. I don't know 602 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.659 who else is up would be potential nominations. 603 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:42.260 I haven't thought about that one too heavily at the moment, 604 00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:44.139 but she could absolutely get nominated. 605 00:35:44.539 --> 00:35:47.139 Yeah. Again, I'm not going to say she should win 606 00:35:47.179 --> 00:35:48.280 because I don't know who else. 607 00:35:48.300 --> 00:35:51.239 There's a bunch of other stuff we got to look. 608 00:35:51.139 --> 00:35:51.519 At, but. 609 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.280 Well, we're coming up on the holidays and Oscar season, so. 610 00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:57.340 No, I just mean like there's a bunch of other 611 00:35:57.380 --> 00:35:59.239 performances we have to kind of look at to make 612 00:35:59.260 --> 00:36:03.300 like final judgment about something maybe about who maybe we 613 00:36:03.340 --> 00:36:03.960 think should win. 614 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:09.559 But yeah, well, if she got nominated, I like, yes, well-deserved. 615 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:11.849 Wouldn't have a single problem with it. 616 00:36:12.739 --> 00:36:14.489 You know, she's going to get nominated for a Golden 617 00:36:14.530 --> 00:36:18.269 Globe in comedy section because just like to be more though, right? 618 00:36:18.289 --> 00:36:18.469 Yeah. 619 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:24.699 Because the Golden Globes don't know what to do with 620 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:26.340 the comedy-drama divide anymore. 621 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:33.590 No, they really don't. But I think of it more 622 00:36:33.610 --> 00:36:36.070 as a celebration of her acting in the portrayal than 623 00:36:36.150 --> 00:36:40.530 anything else. Think about if the role of Nikki was 624 00:36:40.590 --> 00:36:46.190 played by a mediocre performer. This would be nowhere near... 625 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:49.940 not saying anything, this could have been so much worse 626 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.510 and nowhere near as scary, but it's her performance that 627

00:36:53.630 --> 00:36:57.389 elevates this into a new horror icon. 628 00:36:57.849 --> 00:36:58.030 Yep. 629 00:36:59.429 --> 00:37:01.650 And I'm just going to say it right now, Obsession, 630 00:37:02.130 --> 00:37:04.929 number three on my top 10 best films of 2026. 631 00:37:04.929 --> 00:37:11.420 It will probably wind up somewhere on mine, but I'm 632 00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:12.780 not sure exactly where yet. 633 00:37:12.980 --> 00:37:15.900 I've, my list has expanded a little bit recently, so. 634 00:37:18.030 --> 00:37:20.690 We'll see how that plays out, but yeah, this could easily, 635 00:37:20.710 --> 00:37:23.320 a lot of people are going to rank it very highly. 636 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.099 It's one of the better horror, if we limit it 637 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.219 to the horror genre, it's probably the best horror movie 638 00:37:30.260 --> 00:37:31.119 that's come out this year. 639 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:31.900 It's certainly like, I. 640 00:37:33.420 --> 00:37:36.960 Think it's certainly the most effective in the sense that 641 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:40.710 it has an impact on the audience more than most 642 00:37:40.730 --> 00:37:41.170 of the others. 643 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:44.920 I am looking forward to what Barker is doing with 644 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:47.590 his next movie. He said that everyone was like, are 645 00:37:47.610 --> 00:37:49.269 you doing a sequel? And he just kind of looked, 646 00:37:49.309 --> 00:37:53.409 it's like, my God, people chill out. He's apparently doing 647 00:37:53.429 --> 00:37:56.889 a movie that is, it's a horror, it's another horror film. 648 00:37:57.530 --> 00:37:58.780 And he said, it's going to take place in the 649 00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.199 same universe as obsession. And apparently there's going to be 650 00:38:02.260 --> 00:38:05.559 something mentioning what happened in obsession. I'm assuming there's going 651 00:38:05.579 --> 00:38:08.360 to be like a TV report or a newspaper. It says, 652 00:38:08.380 --> 00:38:11.750 you know, it's like, you know, unhinged girl, you know, 653 00:38:11.829 --> 00:38:15.880 commits massacre or something like that. Uh, kind of a thing, 654 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:17.739 or maybe who knows, maybe we'll see an ad for 655 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:18.719 the one wish willows. 656 00:38:19.420 --> 00:38:20.420 Something to that effect. 657 00:38:21.739 --> 00:38:23.159 I think the last thing I wanted to touch on 658 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:29.570 with obsession and it's sort of a sub theme that, um, 659 00:38:29.750 --> 00:38:32.969 it doesn't get, it gets mentioned briefly what, uh, near 660 00:38:32.989 --> 00:38:36.900 the end. When he goes to buy more of the 661 00:38:36.980 --> 00:38:38.960 one wish willows and he's like talking with the owner 662 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:44.480 of the hippie shop and bear winds up like yelling 663 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:46.820 at the guy about how could you sell these to people? 664 00:38:46.860 --> 00:38:51.440 Don't you understand what these are? And the dude just says. 665 00:38:51.460 --> 00:38:55.739 Man, did you read the box? It's covered in warning labels. 666 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:57.510 I don't know what you want me to do here. 667 00:38:59.510 --> 00:39:02.050 And how could you sell cigarettes? Did you not read 668 00:39:02.090 --> 00:39:02.750 the packaging? 669 00:39:02.769 --> 00:39:11.239 Yeah. Yeah, there is a bit of an interesting... It's 670 00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:12.000 not really. 671 00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:14.599 The movie touches on a bunch of other thematic elements, 672 00:39:14.619 --> 00:39:15.420 so this one gets kind of. 673 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:23.590 Underplayed, but there really is a sort of underlying theme 674 00:39:23.849 --> 00:39:32.920 of you know, ignorance in the buyer. 675 00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:39.329 Like, it says what it is on the tin. Like, 676 00:39:39.369 --> 00:39:42.050 there's no double talk. There's no ambiguity. 677 00:39:43.429 --> 00:39:45.610 The creepy old guy warned you the doll was cursed. 678 00:39:46.269 --> 00:39:47.449 But it comes to the free Frogerd. 679 00:39:47.980 --> 00:39:48.380 That's good. 680 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:51.119 The Froggert is also cursed. 681 00:39:51.489 --> 00:39:52.030 That's bad. 682 00:39:52.630 --> 00:39:53.929 But it comes with your choice of toppings. 683 00:39:54.409 --> 00:39:54.949 That's good. 684 00:39:55.530 --> 00:39:58.170 The toppings contain potassium. I can't actually remember what the. 685 00:39:58.349 --> 00:39:59.889 Potassium benzoate. 686 00:40:00.550 --> 00:40:01.070 That's bad. 687 00:40:01.090 --> 00:40:02.389 Can I go now? 688 00:40:06.500 --> 00:40:09.219 It's the week before Halloween, folks. We're breaking out Treehouse 689 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:10.320 of Horror references. 690 00:40:10.619 --> 00:40:13.320 I'm marathoning through them again because, of course, I am. 691 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:14.980 I've been marathoning them all month. 692 00:40:17.260 --> 00:40:22.789 But there is an interesting little sub-theme of maybe take 693 00:40:22.829 --> 00:40:31.619 the warning label at its word and the way that 694 00:40:32.460 --> 00:40:35.699 advertising has desensitized us and made us believe that everything's 695 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:36.280 a lie. 696 00:40:38.219 --> 00:40:42.780 And that everything's exaggerated. And, you know, something of a 697 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.780 question of, like, boy, would, in fact, Bear have done 698 00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:49.409 that if he thought it was legit? Because my hunch 699 00:40:49.469 --> 00:40:50.010 is no. 700 00:40:50.110 --> 00:40:55.809 Like, he's... It's the fact that he, like, accidentally falls 701 00:40:55.849 --> 00:40:58.269 into villainy and then chooses to stay there instead of 702 00:40:58.289 --> 00:40:59.530 get out that makes him a villain. 703 00:40:59.550 --> 00:41:02.309 Well, it comes down to, again, be careful what you 704 00:41:02.349 --> 00:41:05.780

wish for. Yeah. You know, I mean, how many. 705 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.460 You think about something that you want more than anything 706 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:13.500 else in the world and think just what would happen 707 00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:21.309 if it actually came true and just, I mean, I'm sorry. 708 00:41:22.250 --> 00:41:25.070 There's a reason that a wishmaker is one of my 709 00:41:25.170 --> 00:41:29.949 absolute favorite underrated horror movies. Cause you have to think 710 00:41:29.989 --> 00:41:30.369 about this. 711 00:41:30.389 --> 00:41:31.730 Wishmaster is definitely. 712 00:41:31.769 --> 00:41:32.730 Wishmaster. Thank you. 713 00:41:32.750 --> 00:41:34.699 Sorry. I was, That's all right. 714 00:41:34.739 --> 00:41:37.940 There's also the old joke like, well, I wish to 715 00:41:37.980 --> 00:41:39.610 be rich and that I don't have to work anymore. 716 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.630 And then you get a phone call saying you're fired 717 00:41:42.650 --> 00:41:47.369 and your name has legally been changed to Richard. Now 718 00:41:47.389 --> 00:41:48.670 you're rich and you don't have to work anymore. 719 00:41:51.250 --> 00:41:51.650 It is. 720 00:41:51.909 --> 00:41:55.050 And again, it's a real cautionary tale about if you 721 00:41:55.210 --> 00:41:57.550 ever happen to find yourself in a position like Bear 722 00:41:57.630 --> 00:42:04.840 where you accidentally screwed something up real bad. Don't double down. 723 00:42:04.860 --> 00:42:09.679 For the love of all that's holy, don't double down 724 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:15.460 on it. Like, if he had immediately tried to, like, 725 00:42:15.739 --> 00:42:18.440 fix things, he probably would have been able to make it. 726 00:42:19.650 --> 00:42:21.690 If he'd gone, like, you know, the next day back 727 00:42:21.730 --> 00:42:27.849 there and, like, got more one-wish willows to try and, like, okay, please, 728 00:42:28.250 --> 00:42:31.360 let's make this not have happened, he wouldn't have only had, like, 729 00:42:31.570 --> 00:42:34.550 three willows. and had to try and convince one moronic 730 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.500 friend of the insanity of like, hey, this thing will 731 00:42:37.539 --> 00:42:38.460 actually grant you a wish. 732 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.659 No, he waits until after Sarah's dead before finally doing that. 733 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:46.739 Yeah, and it's, there's so many chances that this dude 734 00:42:46.780 --> 00:42:51.769 has to at least not. 735 00:42:51.530 --> 00:42:59.980 Make everything worse, and he just always makes everything worse. And, yeah, 736 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:03.599 it is absolutely, again, one of the best horror movies 737 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:09.260 all year. Indy Navarette does a really, really good job. 738 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:13.750 And it is nice to get new horror icons added 739 00:43:13.769 --> 00:43:14.510 to the lexicon. 740 00:43:14.530 --> 00:43:16.469 It's been a minute. I think we talked about this 741 00:43:16.489 --> 00:43:18.429 a while ago. Like, Art the Clown was the last 742 00:43:18.469 --> 00:43:20.530 thing that kind of got added to the pantheon. 743 00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.079 I think I mentioned the Megan Robot and the Grabber 744 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:28.360 because I believe it was either last Halloween or the 745 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.360 Halloween before that they started a series of advertisements with 746 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:34.019 horror icons and those were the ones that they were 747 00:43:34.179 --> 00:43:38.619 adding onto them. And honestly, I think the Grabber could 748 00:43:38.659 --> 00:43:40.619 have been a lot better had the Black Phone 2 749 00:43:40.619 --> 00:43:42.099 not sucked as badly as it did. 750 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:46.039 Yeah. We don't talk about the sequel. 751 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:49.940 And that goes double for Megan 2.0 because God, they 752 00:43:49.980 --> 00:43:51.099 missed the point of that. 753 00:43:51.659 --> 00:43:53.500 We really don't talk about that one. 754 00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:56.900 At least Freddy Fazbear is still around. 755 00:43:56.920 --> 00:44:01.820 Until Five Nights at Freddy's 3. 756 00:44:01.820 --> 00:44:04.559 Did you go to Spirit Halloween this year? One of 757 00:44:04.579 --> 00:44:09.320 the animatronics was a full-size Freddy Fazbear. You press the 758 00:44:09.380 --> 00:44:13.489 button and he actually sings into a microphone and moves 759 00:44:13.530 --> 00:44:17.969 around like a classic Chuck E. Cheese era animatronic. It's 760 00:44:18.210 --> 00:44:18.809 really good. 761 00:44:18.829 --> 00:44:23.360 It is. All right. So I think that's everything for Obsession. 762 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:29.340 Probably by not a giant margin, but I think probably 763 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.179 the best of the three overall. 764 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:34.429 I would definitely agree. Now let's go ahead and move 765 00:44:34.550 --> 00:44:42.329 on to Iron Lung, again directed by Markiplier Fischbach. How 766 00:44:42.349 --> 00:44:46.099 familiar were you with Markiplier's work before this movie came out? 767 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:50.400 A little. Not super. I mean, it's almost impossible to.... 768 00:44:51.659 --> 00:44:55.869 I've been around the YouTube sort of space as much 769 00:44:55.909 --> 00:44:57.530 as I tend to hang out there. 770 00:44:58.329 --> 00:45:00.369 And not at least be peripherally aware of him. 771 00:45:02.389 --> 00:45:06.030 If you've been living under a rock, Markiplier, I would argue, 772 00:45:06.070 --> 00:45:09.329 is one of the most prolific YouTube gamers out there. 773 00:45:09.349 --> 00:45:10.650 He's up there for sure. 774 00:45:10.670 --> 00:45:13.449 A lot of that actually crediting to his work with 775 00:45:13.489 --> 00:45:15.489 Five Nights at Freddy's. He was one of the first 776 00:45:16.409 --> 00:45:20.010 Let's Players to review. His channel specialized in horror games. 777 00:45:20.929 --> 00:45:27.250

And many people actually credit both his involvement with the 778 00:45:27.309 --> 00:45:34.230 skyrocketing popularity of the game and also his work with 779 00:45:34.250 --> 00:45:39.849 the game was skyrocketing his popularity. Markiplier is known now 780 00:45:40.070 --> 00:45:43.880 as the gamer who is most associated with Five Nights 781 00:45:43.929 --> 00:45:46.940 at Freddy's. When the first Five Nights at Freddy's game, 782 00:45:47.099 --> 00:45:48.960 I'm just going to say the first FNAF game came out, 783 00:45:49.289 --> 00:45:52.650 He was supposed to have a cameo. Unfortunately, it was 784 00:45:53.429 --> 00:45:56.179 literally being filmed at the same time he was making 785 00:45:56.199 --> 00:45:59.980 this movie. And he simply said, there is absolutely no 786 00:46:00.059 --> 00:46:04.579 way I can take time off from that. And I 787 00:46:04.619 --> 00:46:06.760 know a lot of fans were really upset because then 788 00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:09.969 all we got to do was MatPat and I don't 789 00:46:09.989 --> 00:46:13.510 even remember the name of the taxi driver who was 790 00:46:13.550 --> 00:46:14.269 also a gamer. 791 00:46:14.289 --> 00:46:18.619 Oh, I forget his name too, but Look, if you 792 00:46:18.659 --> 00:46:21.510 had good reactions to getting jump-scared, you kind of got 793 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:24.829 pigeonholed with Five Nights at Freddy's for a period of time. 794 00:46:25.409 --> 00:46:29.670 Because your reactions to getting jump-scared to death were what 795 00:46:29.730 --> 00:46:35.590 made you kind of popular. And Markiplier has a very 796 00:46:35.769 --> 00:46:37.489 funny reaction to getting jump-scared. 797 00:46:37.670 --> 00:46:43.559 He's very animated. Yep. His reaction to Five Nights at 798 00:46:43.579 --> 00:46:48.230 Freddy's security breach to the map robot... It's still fun. 799 00:46:48.670 --> 00:46:51.289 If you have, if you've played security breach, you know 800 00:46:51.329 --> 00:46:54.429 that there's a point there, there are these autonomous robots 801 00:46:54.610 --> 00:46:58.579 around that are just cleaning and, you know, checking security. 802 00:46:58.619 --> 00:47:00.219 And as long as you stay out of the way 803 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:01.760 of them, they won't harm you. But if you get 804 00:47:01.780 --> 00:47:04.639 in their way, they'll launch an alert and that attracts 805 00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.840 the main animatronics to come and get you. So as 806 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:09.449 long as you avoid them, it's fine. But there's at 807 00:47:09.489 --> 00:47:12.880 least one, two, maybe three parts that, where you round 808 00:47:12.940 --> 00:47:15.440 a corner and there is one that is a rope 809 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:17.760 that's its job is to give you a map. This 810 00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:21.880 is to help you navigate the terrain, but it is 811 00:47:21.940 --> 00:47:24.380 a master jump scare. You turn around, it's like, boom, 812 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.480

would you take a map? And there are so many 813 00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:31.719 compilation videos of all these gamers and their reaction to 814 00:47:31.739 --> 00:47:34.980 the map robot. It just freaking out. It's cause we're 815 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:40.739 just like, thank you. I hate you. It's hilarious. That 816 00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:44.849 moment is one of the scariest parts in the game. 817 00:47:46.530 --> 00:47:49.610 So Iron Lung, of course, is a video game. It 818 00:47:51.530 --> 00:47:55.510 came out in 2022. Mark Blair did play it on 819 00:47:55.530 --> 00:47:59.909 his channel. And shortly after, he ended up talking with David. Oh, 820 00:48:00.010 --> 00:48:04.679 I am going to massacre the pronunciation of your last name. Szymanski? Szymanski, 821 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:05.010 I think. 822 00:48:05.780 --> 00:48:08.300 Yeah, I think it's just Szymanski. Yeah. 823 00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.460 Sorry, there's another Z in there you're not sure what 824 00:48:10.539 --> 00:48:16.760 to do with. About doing a theatrical adaptation of the game. 825 00:48:17.460 --> 00:48:19.840 And what's fun about this one is that this is 826 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:24.559 the only one that wasn't studio-backed. Obsession and Backrooms had 827 00:48:24.659 --> 00:48:28.280 full-fledged studios pumping in the money, taking care of the budget. 828 00:48:29.289 --> 00:48:35.429 Markiplier self-proclaimed. funded all of this he did patreons and 829 00:48:35.650 --> 00:48:38.809 kickstarters he got his fans involved he wrote you know 830 00:48:38.829 --> 00:48:42.679 did fundraisers for it he raised all the money himself 831 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:46.079 to make this they did behind the scenes footage this 832 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:54.079 was almost like 99 practical film i think the cgi 833 00:48:54.179 --> 00:48:57.099 is limited to a few scenes with the monster near. 834 00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:58.900 The end generally speaking yeah. 835 00:48:59.110 --> 00:49:02.750 Yeah, he did this great video showing the rig for 836 00:49:02.829 --> 00:49:06.929 the submersible, the iron lung, as it were, and how 837 00:49:06.949 --> 00:49:10.070 it was constructed, how they put it on gimbals, I 838 00:49:10.110 --> 00:49:12.750 believe is what they're called, to help to shake, how 839 00:49:12.829 --> 00:49:14.510 you could take it apart so you could see where 840 00:49:14.530 --> 00:49:19.769 they would put the camera in it. And it's amazing. Yeah. 841 00:49:20.500 --> 00:49:22.559 apparently Mark player, just, this is how good of a 842 00:49:22.579 --> 00:49:24.800 guy is. I was telling Robert this before we started 843 00:49:24.820 --> 00:49:28.260 the show, when the movie ended up making as high 844 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:32.329 of a profit as it did, he doubled the pay rate. 845 00:49:32.349 --> 00:49:34.849 He doubled the pay of all of his staff members. 846 00:49:35.769 --> 00:49:39.250 he just gave all that money back. And he actually said, 847 00:49:39.429 --> 00:49:41.280 what do you mean that's not what studios do? I 848 00:49:41.300 --> 00:49:44.880 thought that's what studios did. He honestly was saying, it's like, no, 849 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.079 if studios make that much money, they should give it 850 00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:49.960 back to the crew. And it's like, oh my God, 851 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.639 you are so adorably naive. And we love you even 852 00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:54.269 more for it. 853 00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:56.719 We deeply appreciate that. 854 00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:00.590 And this is why you will never make more than A, 855 00:50:00.699 --> 00:50:01.630 one movie at a time. 856 00:50:01.690 --> 00:50:08.800 And B, like, It's heartwarming. It really is. But at 857 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:10.400 the same time, like. 858 00:50:11.900 --> 00:50:15.280 The movie, the machinery of the movie business operates the 859 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:19.550 way it does for a reason. And occasionally it's gross. 860 00:50:19.789 --> 00:50:23.309 Most of the time it's just because everything is so expensive. 861 00:50:25.980 --> 00:50:28.900 You weren't counting on some of the profits from this 862 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.699 movie to help offset the losses from two others. 863 00:50:32.110 --> 00:50:34.809 So you could give out bonuses. And God bless you 864 00:50:34.849 --> 00:50:37.429 for doing so, man. Yeah. 865 00:50:37.949 --> 00:50:41.050 Well, Markiplier's gone already. He does this little speech in 866 00:50:41.090 --> 00:50:43.929 his Cuphead playthrough. I should say, I've been a big 867 00:50:43.969 --> 00:50:46.530 fan of his. I've watched his Five Nights at Freddy's, 868 00:50:46.610 --> 00:50:49.570 all the Five Nights at Freddy's games, playthroughs multiple times. 869 00:50:49.590 --> 00:50:53.619 I also love his playthroughs of Untitled Goose Game, Cuphead. 870 00:50:54.070 --> 00:50:58.639 getting over it. He's really fun. He's very charming. He's 871 00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:02.880 very witty and funny. He's got a beautiful, beautiful voice. 872 00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:07.199 And he's a lot of fun to listen to. So, 873 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.010 you know, there's a reason he's as popular as he is. 874 00:51:10.030 --> 00:51:14.130 And he does a speech in the Cuphead playthrough where 875 00:51:14.170 --> 00:51:17.730 he talks about how he does what he does because 876 00:51:17.789 --> 00:51:20.730 he loves it. He talks about all the money he 877 00:51:20.789 --> 00:51:24.510 lost on some of his other projects. And he did 878 00:51:24.610 --> 00:51:27.909 a ton of not theatrical projects, but film projects like 879 00:51:27.989 --> 00:51:31.840 Markiplier in Space and Win a Date with Markiplier, which 880 00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:36.519 was entirely like a you choose adventure that they filmed. 881 00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:38.699 And I mean, it was so seamless. You know, you choose. 882 00:51:39.099 --> 00:51:40.940 It's like you go to the table. Do you

pick 883 00:51:40.980 --> 00:51:42.780 this or do you pick this? And it's so seamless. 884 00:51:42.900 --> 00:51:46.860 It's really well done. But I believe the one that 885 00:51:46.900 --> 00:51:48.800 he was talking about was called Who Killed Markiplier? It 886 00:51:48.820 --> 00:51:51.820 was a murder mystery walkthrough that he had done. And 887 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.920 it lost a ton of money on it. But he 888 00:51:55.940 --> 00:51:59.010 discussed how he didn't care. He does this because he 889 00:51:59.050 --> 00:52:01.530 loves it. He loves creating content. He loves doing stuff 890 00:52:01.550 --> 00:52:04.909 for his fans. And that's really admirable. 891 00:52:04.969 --> 00:52:05.269 You know? 892 00:52:05.289 --> 00:52:08.670 I mean, we need more creators in our world that 893 00:52:09.050 --> 00:52:11.730 are like this. That the idea is not... I mean, 894 00:52:11.769 --> 00:52:14.409 making money is good and it's important because we live 895 00:52:14.449 --> 00:52:17.739 in a capitalist world and you should get paid for 896 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:21.239 working hard, but we need more people who say at 897 00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:23.539 the end of the day, they love what they do 898 00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:25.980 and they just love do it for the love of it. 899 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.719 Yeah. There's, there's a lot to be said for that. 900 00:52:30.739 --> 00:52:34.980 Uh, did you ever play the iron lung game? No, 901 00:52:36.389 --> 00:52:39.539 me neither. Um, Not my kind of thing. The concept 902 00:52:39.579 --> 00:52:42.280 of the game is that our world has gone through 903 00:52:42.340 --> 00:52:45.639 what they call in the game the Quiet Rapture. In 904 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:51.019 one fell swoop, all of the stars and livable planets 905 00:52:51.059 --> 00:52:56.329 have just disappeared. Like, Earth is gone. It's like, blink. 906 00:52:56.730 --> 00:53:00.010 There's no Earth. The only survivors are people who've been 907 00:53:00.030 --> 00:53:03.150 living on space stations at the time. And now you 908 00:53:03.170 --> 00:53:07.239 have groups who are trying hard to find something, anything new. 909 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:12.139 that could either say what happened or can show where 910 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:14.909 there could be future life. And one of the areas 911 00:53:14.929 --> 00:53:19.750 they're checking out is a moon that is covered in 912 00:53:19.809 --> 00:53:27.110 a literal ocean of blood. Sam Raimi wishes he had 913 00:53:27.150 --> 00:53:27.969 come up with this. 914 00:53:29.949 --> 00:53:32.550 I imagine it's a dream he has had at least once. 915 00:53:35.090 --> 00:53:37.940 Not he. It's a nightmare that Bruce Campbell has had 916 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.260 after getting covered in copious amounts of fake blood and 917 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.380 just screaming, Damn it, Sam! Stop it! 918 00:53:44.539 --> 00:53:45.159 I do. 919 00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:49.030 Somewhere in my head is the alternate version of this 920 00:53:49.090 --> 00:53:52.269 movie that was done in the mid-90s, directed by Sam 921 00:53:52.309 --> 00:53:53.730 Raimi and starring Bruce Campbell. 922 00:53:54.210 --> 00:53:58.730 Very much so. The idea in the game is that 923 00:53:58.789 --> 00:54:01.940 you are... Well, you're a convict. And you have been 924 00:54:01.980 --> 00:54:05.940 promised freedom if you agree to this trial, in which 925 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:11.590 you are placed into this submersible craft, which is codenamed 926 00:54:11.610 --> 00:54:14.829 the Iron Lung. You are dropped into the ocean of blood. 927 00:54:15.469 --> 00:54:20.269 You are sent to take pictures and look for, well, anything. 928 00:54:22.070 --> 00:54:27.019 As you go deeper, you start hearing weird noises. Uh, 929 00:54:27.210 --> 00:54:29.389 part of the appeal of the game is that because 930 00:54:29.409 --> 00:54:32.110 you're in a notion of blood, you can't look at, 931 00:54:32.150 --> 00:54:34.889 this isn't like one of those deep sea diving games 932 00:54:34.949 --> 00:54:37.630 where you're in a bath sphere and it's like. 933 00:54:37.650 --> 00:54:39.409 Oh, look, fish. Yeah. 934 00:54:41.510 --> 00:54:45.250 The hatch is welded shut the window. There is a porthole, 935 00:54:45.289 --> 00:54:47.969 but it's closed off because you go so deep that 936 00:54:48.070 --> 00:54:51.380 it starts cracking. So it's closed off. The only reference 937 00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.579 you get is the camera, which is actually taking x-ray pictures. 938 00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:01.170 which you shoot off every couple of seconds. I should add, 939 00:55:01.250 --> 00:55:02.250 it's a no-win game. 940 00:55:03.130 --> 00:55:04.969 Oh, no, yeah. You always lose in the end of 941 00:55:05.030 --> 00:55:05.429 this game. 942 00:55:07.289 --> 00:55:11.880 If you play around with areas within the sub, you 943 00:55:11.909 --> 00:55:15.719 can find journal entries from previous people who have been 944 00:55:15.739 --> 00:55:18.619 in it and whatnot, and one of them gives the 945 00:55:18.659 --> 00:55:22.559 line that is the emotional and thematic core of the 946 00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:26.269 game is This is not an expedition, buddy. 947 00:55:26.369 --> 00:55:29.019 This is an execution. Execution. Yeah. 948 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:35.420 So Markiplier wrote, directed, starred, and edited this film. Dude 949 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:39.099 wants to be the next Robert Rodriguez. All he needs 950 00:55:39.139 --> 00:55:40.900 to do is learn to play a musical instrument. He 951 00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:47.429 can do the score. And I watched this earlier today. 952 00:55:47.570 --> 00:55:51.489 And again, I do love Markiplier's work. But this movie 953 00:55:51.530 --> 00:55:54.429 is a bit of a chore to get through. The 954 00:55:54.469 --> 00:55:58.929 first big problem is that in the game, you are 955 00:55:59.030 --> 00:56:02.730 on your own in the sub. You will occasionally hear

956 00:56:02.889 --> 00:56:07.050 some static feedback from the ship that's saying, it's like, okay, 957 00:56:07.070 --> 00:56:09.309 now you need to do this and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 958 00:56:09.349 --> 00:56:11.800 But for the most part, you're on your own. And 959 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:15.380 that's the same it is with the movie. Our convict, 960 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:18.780 who we find out his real name is Simon, has 961 00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:22.630 no one to talk to. I would say 90% of 962 00:56:22.869 --> 00:56:28.610 our lead actor's dialogue is, oh, fuck this. Ah, shit. Ow. Oh, God. 963 00:56:28.849 --> 00:56:33.739 Things like that. Mostly reactionary. It's not until about two-thirds 964 00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:36.300 in that the plot actually starts moving forward a little 965 00:56:36.340 --> 00:56:39.760 bit more with the mystery of what it is that 966 00:56:39.820 --> 00:56:43.039 he's seeing out there. We see, because one of the 967 00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:50.510 pictures shows up just this giant dinosaur-like skeleton that And 968 00:56:50.550 --> 00:56:55.469 it's like, okay, what the hell was out there? So 969 00:56:56.110 --> 00:56:58.590 it takes a while to really get going. This is 970 00:56:58.610 --> 00:57:02.389 a movie that is banking on the atmosphere. It actually 971 00:57:02.409 --> 00:57:05.139 kind of reminds me a little bit of a movie 972 00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:10.199 we reviewed earlier this year, Undertone, in that what makes 973 00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:13.019 the movie stand out is it is the atmosphere. It's 974 00:57:13.059 --> 00:57:15.260 not the acting. It's not the special effects. It is 975 00:57:15.340 --> 00:57:19.409 you are expected to be watching this in a theater, 976 00:57:19.690 --> 00:57:25.869 dark room, no phone, no distractions, watching this. And when 977 00:57:25.889 --> 00:57:30.250 you rent it on YouTube, that's kind of hard. I 978 00:57:30.289 --> 00:57:31.380 didn't see this in theaters. 979 00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.039 Neither did I, but I did what I could to 980 00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.760 try and like appropriately recreate a bit of the atmosphere. 981 00:57:38.059 --> 00:57:42.619 And yeah, as far as the plot goes, Simon is 982 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:46.530 thrown into this thing and He goes down for a bit, 983 00:57:46.570 --> 00:57:48.820 he takes a few pictures, he kind of comes back up, 984 00:57:50.139 --> 00:57:51.260 which is different than in the game. 985 00:57:51.300 --> 00:57:53.280 It's actually one of the better sequences in the film. 986 00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:55.780 Oh, because it's the only time he interacts with other 987 00:57:55.820 --> 00:57:58.599 human beings. Like, physically. 988 00:57:59.260 --> 00:58:01.219 Yeah, they're on the outside of the thing, and he 989 00:58:01.260 --> 00:58:05.639 kind of, there's some words exchanged, and really what comes 990 00:58:05.699 --> 00:58:10.739 across here, to the credit of Markiplier, he acts it well, 991 00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:14.619 and the script gets across just how.... 992 00:58:16.630 --> 00:58:21.449 Thoroughly dehumanized simon has become at this point he is 993 00:58:21.489 --> 00:58:23.969 just part of the machinery of what's going on he's 994 00:58:23.989 --> 00:58:28.429 uh the person that he talks with over the intercom 995 00:58:28.449 --> 00:58:31.360 like won't even call him by his name for the 996 00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:35.139 vast majority of this she does near the end and 997 00:58:35.179 --> 00:58:38.119 it's actually kind of touching a full credit to that 998 00:58:38.219 --> 00:58:40.239 particular actress that was um. 999 00:58:42.099 --> 00:58:43.980 Oh which one was it i think it was uh 1000 00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.360 carolyn kaplan I believe so, yeah. 1001 00:58:48.789 --> 00:58:52.809 The way that she starts out incredibly clipped, harsh, and 1002 00:58:52.849 --> 00:58:55.190 robotic with him and just kind of slowly warms to 1003 00:58:55.250 --> 00:58:58.650 him over time is one of the nice moving, one 1004 00:58:58.670 --> 00:59:04.190 of the nice emotional arcs of the story. There's a 1005 00:59:04.250 --> 00:59:07.849 genuinely kind of chilling moment when he sends back when 1006 00:59:07.889 --> 00:59:10.070 he says like yeah I found this giant skeleton down 1007 00:59:10.110 --> 00:59:11.400 here and it's not where I left it. 1008 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:17.280 And it's not a little bit after that they mentioned 1009 00:59:17.300 --> 00:59:18.099 like yeah you're not. 1010 00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:23.199 Taking pictures buddy it's blood you're taking giant x-rays and 1011 00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:24.980 it's left to you as a viewer to kind of 1012 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:26.739 just take a second. 1013 00:59:27.980 --> 00:59:31.409 Oh that's not a skeleton and I mean, it is, but. 1014 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:34.719 It's kind of still inside a body. 1015 00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:39.800 Yeah, and that's... Because that's never really brought up in 1016 00:59:39.860 --> 00:59:43.119 the movie, but you make that connection as a viewer, 1017 00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:45.239 and it's... Oh, boy. 1018 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:48.420 I hate to say it. The thing that made me 1019 00:59:48.460 --> 00:59:50.960 laugh the hardest through this whole is that when he 1020 00:59:51.019 --> 00:59:53.360 finds out that they're taking X-rays, it's when they bring 1021 00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:55.880 the ship back up, and to get their attention, he 1022 00:59:55.940 --> 00:59:58.559 flashes the camera, and you get a picture of all 1023 00:59:58.579 --> 01:00:02.500 of these skeletons, And Ava just starts yelling at him. 1024 01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:04.860 It's like, you just doused us with a huge amount 1025 01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:08.090 of radiation. You really got. And they say that one 1026 01:00:08.110 --> 01:00:10.170 of their other guys really got hit hard and they're 1027 01:00:10.190 --> 01:00:12.190 taking him to the. 1028 01:00:12.250

--> 01:00:15.170 One of the like engine mechanical engineers that they really 1029 01:00:15.210 --> 01:00:16.150 kind of rely on. 1030 01:00:16.170 --> 01:00:17.050 And he's suddenly. 1031 01:00:17.070 --> 01:00:20.119 Going to die horribly. 1032 01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:26.280 An overdose. Whatever X-ray X-ray radiation poisoning. 1033 01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:34.869 And he's played by Sean McLaughlin. A.K.A. Jacksepticeye. One of 1034 01:00:34.909 --> 01:00:37.550 the other most prolific gamers out there who has done 1035 01:00:38.469 --> 01:00:42.329 many an appearance with Markiplier. So I'm sorry. It just 1036 01:00:42.369 --> 01:00:45.750 kind of gives like Markiplier killed Jacksepticeye. 1037 01:00:48.730 --> 01:00:49.969 One good hope. Anyway. 1038 01:00:49.989 --> 01:00:53.889 Yeah, I like Jacksepticeye. He's cool. His playthrough of Luigi's 1039 01:00:53.929 --> 01:00:55.289 Mansion 3 is one of my favorites. 1040 01:00:56.599 --> 01:00:58.880 Anyway, Simon is sent back down. We get a little 1041 01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:01.039 bit of his backstory. He's actually. 1042 01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:03.900 There's the two major factions kind of going on. The 1043 01:01:03.940 --> 01:01:07.579 big faction is the Iron Order Coalition, I think is 1044 01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:12.880 what it's called. They're the ones responsible for all this. 1045 01:01:13.579 --> 01:01:15.340 Simon comes from one of the. 1046 01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:15.440 A. 1047 01:01:18.300 --> 01:01:21.699 Specific group on a space station called Eden that had 1048 01:01:21.739 --> 01:01:24.949 the last living tree. And as mentioned, like the entire 1049 01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:25.739 world that. 1050 01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:26.559 These people. 1051 01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:32.619 Operate in now is synthetic and metal. And so there's 1052 01:01:32.659 --> 01:01:35.519 a tree and he's actually got one of the seeds 1053 01:01:35.579 --> 01:01:38.079 and whatnot of it on a bracelet that he carries around. 1054 01:01:39.739 --> 01:01:44.659 And he committed a bit of a terrorist act. He 1055 01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:45.760 says it was an accident. 1056 01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:47.519 How much you want to believe him is up to you. 1057 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.559 He gets sort of disconnected from the overhead ship at 1058 01:01:52.659 --> 01:01:59.480 one point. He has to kind of navigate his way. 1059 01:01:59.380 --> 01:02:03.949 Through a series of underground passages. He finds another of 1060 01:02:03.969 --> 01:02:08.909 these iron lung bathyspheres down there, which immediately connects to 1061 01:02:08.949 --> 01:02:13.679 his Bluetooth wirelessly and starts downloading data. And when he 1062 01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:15.230 gets back up to the point where he can make 1063 01:02:15.289 --> 01:02:17.869 contact with everyone, they're kind of like, yeah, we don't 1064 01:02:17.889 --> 01:02:18.309 really want. 1065 01:02:18.230 --> 01:02:21.449 To come find you. That's a lot of work. And 1066

01:02:21.489 --> 01:02:25.829 he says, but I found this thing. And they go, wait, 1067 01:02:25.849 --> 01:02:30.480 you found the thing? Because that thing has a lot 1068 01:02:30.500 --> 01:02:32.860 of information in its black box. That's what tried to 1069 01:02:32.900 --> 01:02:38.039 connect with you. And well, if you can find that again, 1070 01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:41.820 that would absolutely be worth your life and your freedom. 1071 01:02:43.500 --> 01:02:46.480 So he goes back down, he tries to, he's able 1072 01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:51.840 to download the information, but he doesn't actually make it, spoiler, 1073 01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:54.780 he does not make it out of this alive. He 1074 01:02:54.860 --> 01:02:58.110 does attach a couple of flotation devices to the black 1075 01:02:58.170 --> 01:03:01.860 box after he's downloaded all the information and sends it up, 1076 01:03:02.030 --> 01:03:04.849 kind of hopefully, for the other people to find right 1077 01:03:04.889 --> 01:03:08.239 before he rams his sub into the mouth of the 1078 01:03:08.300 --> 01:03:09.800 giant fish monster because. 1079 01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:13.440 I'm going down I'm taking you with me. 1080 01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:17.340 Yeah and there's actually a really cool bit that if 1081 01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:22.150 you pay attention you can see it the um the 1082 01:03:22.610 --> 01:03:23.289 blood that he. 1083 01:03:23.289 --> 01:03:25.889 Is soaked in gets to the seeds for the last 1084 01:03:25.989 --> 01:03:28.469 tree and kind of help it sprout and it sprouts 1085 01:03:28.510 --> 01:03:30.889 very quickly and actually like spears the fish monster and 1086 01:03:30.909 --> 01:03:38.489 kills it um So the movie is actually significantly more 1087 01:03:38.710 --> 01:03:41.489 optimistic and hopeful than the game is when it's all 1088 01:03:41.530 --> 01:03:42.090 said and done. 1089 01:03:42.130 --> 01:03:42.389 Yeah. 1090 01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:49.440 But again, it is very slow paced. You're dealing with 1091 01:03:49.619 --> 01:03:54.320 one person not even really talking to himself, just occasionally mumbling. 1092 01:03:54.340 --> 01:03:56.820 It reminds me a lot. There was a, I want 1093 01:03:57.159 --> 01:03:59.360 to make sure I got the year right here. Come 1094 01:03:59.380 --> 01:04:03.019 to me, Google. A 2013 film called All Is Lost 1095 01:04:03.059 --> 01:04:07.280 starring Robert Redford. Um, he is a man, he's in 1096 01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:10.340 a sailing boat. He's out at sea, just relaxing. And 1097 01:04:10.380 --> 01:04:13.940 his boat hits a, uh, drifting shipping container and he 1098 01:04:13.980 --> 01:04:17.840 starts taking on water. The entire film is this man 1099 01:04:17.940 --> 01:04:22.820 trying to salvage what he can before his ship sinks. Again, 1100 01:04:22.980 --> 01:04:26.840 there is, it's very, it's very minimalistic. There's no talking. 1101 01:04:26.909 --> 01:04:28.849 There is no one else that he talks to. 1102

01:04:29.289 --> 01:04:32.530 It is almost completely without dialogue. You hear a, he 1103 01:04:32.590 --> 01:04:36.980 records a message briefly. near the beginning and that's it. 1104 01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:40.739 And those kind of films are kind of hard sometimes 1105 01:04:40.820 --> 01:04:44.659 to get through you know it's a credit to the 1106 01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:47.840 actor that they're able to hold their own without someone 1107 01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:51.429 else to bounce dialogue off of there are a million 1108 01:04:51.570 --> 01:04:53.949 actors out there i can that i know we can 1109 01:04:53.969 --> 01:04:55.889 both think of that it's like if they just if 1110 01:04:55.929 --> 01:04:59.170 you just put them in front of a camera and 1111 01:04:59.250 --> 01:05:03.300 said go and gave them no incentive, they have no 1112 01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:05.260 one else to talk to, no one to bounce stuff 1113 01:05:05.340 --> 01:05:10.619 off of, they would suck. Johnny Depp is actually my 1114 01:05:10.659 --> 01:05:13.889 prime example. I love Johnny Depp, but that man cannot 1115 01:05:13.969 --> 01:05:16.289 carry a performance by himself. He has to have others 1116 01:05:16.590 --> 01:05:19.929 to bounce things off of. 1117 01:05:20.289 --> 01:05:23.949 It's a skill to be kind of compelling absent another 1118 01:05:24.300 --> 01:05:29.260 person to play with. And in fairness to Markiplier, he 1119 01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:33.300 is not the worst person to just watch under these conditions. 1120 01:05:35.070 --> 01:05:37.369 He's not the best actor in the world by any stretch. 1121 01:05:37.429 --> 01:05:37.869 But. 1122 01:05:39.389 --> 01:05:43.309 This could have gone real sideways real fast if he's 1123 01:05:43.429 --> 01:05:46.110 not actually halfway decent. 1124 01:05:48.510 --> 01:05:51.889 For as demanding a task as he set for himself 1125 01:05:51.989 --> 01:05:57.300 as leading this, He carries it off pretty darn well. 1126 01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:03.900 I love a handful of scenes where he's just yelling 1127 01:06:04.260 --> 01:06:09.059 at the intercom, just like, no, I'm done. Bring me 1128 01:06:09.099 --> 01:06:12.760 back up. Put me in jail. I'm done. You feel 1129 01:06:12.820 --> 01:06:16.619 his anxiety. You feel his frustration. And you understand where 1130 01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:18.000 he's coming from. I think a lot of us have 1131 01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:20.679 been like, deals off. Screw this. I'd rather go rot 1132 01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:22.320 in solitary confinement. 1133 01:06:24.269 --> 01:06:27.469 Um... There's a lot of fun with the ship. 1134 01:06:27.829 --> 01:06:32.519 The ship starts a little bit too clean in some respects, 1135 01:06:32.539 --> 01:06:34.000 especially if you're a fan of the game, where as 1136 01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:37.460 soon as you step into that thing, it's just a rattling, 1137 01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:38.860 rusted hunk. 1138 01:06:41.420 --> 01:06:44.530 Of metal. This one starts a little bit cleaner. 1139 01:06:44.550 --> 01:06:48.289 I think that was a good call because now it 1140 01:06:48.309 --> 01:06:52.570 gets to deteriorate along with his mental state. So it 1141 01:06:52.730 --> 01:06:56.309 gets real ugly and real grimy by the end. 1142 01:06:56.250 --> 01:06:58.949 Of this as he has slowly gone more and more insane. 1143 01:07:02.659 --> 01:07:04.219 I like that it was able to lean a bit 1144 01:07:04.260 --> 01:07:07.059 into the cosmic horror of what's going on in this 1145 01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:13.760 larger world. They lean into... I knew to expect it 1146 01:07:13.780 --> 01:07:17.300 because I'd seen some reviews of the movie, but... They 1147 01:07:17.340 --> 01:07:20.360 do a real nice body horror segment near the end 1148 01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:22.599 of this that needs to be given a ton of 1149 01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:29.210 credit because the ship kind of becomes an extension of Simon, 1150 01:07:29.230 --> 01:07:33.690 so it melds with him in some respects. 1151 01:07:33.710 --> 01:07:36.690 I thought it was the blood kind of melding with him, 1152 01:07:36.949 --> 01:07:39.010 and the blood was just sort of mutating him. 1153 01:07:40.150 --> 01:07:41.030 Yeah, that too. 1154 01:07:41.090 --> 01:07:44.820 But either way, there's some really effective body horror in places, and. 1155 01:07:45.489 --> 01:07:47.280 Either way, there's a moment where you could have probably 1156 01:07:47.300 --> 01:07:49.039 heard him say, damn, I used that hand to write. 1157 01:07:50.780 --> 01:07:52.500 Yep, there's one of those. 1158 01:07:55.960 --> 01:08:00.409 There's also something really, again, not just optimistic, but profoundly 1159 01:08:00.469 --> 01:08:01.610 human in the ending. 1160 01:08:05.269 --> 01:08:07.130 So many, not just. 1161 01:08:07.050 --> 01:08:10.030 Cosmic horror in the sort of general sense, but so 1162 01:08:10.050 --> 01:08:15.719 many horror movies that deal with stuff like this that 1163 01:08:15.739 --> 01:08:18.789 deal with, you know, hopelessness and the doomed expedition, the 1164 01:08:18.829 --> 01:08:19.689 doomed person. 1165 01:08:23.329 --> 01:08:25.409 They choose to end it. 1166 01:08:28.430 --> 01:08:32.430 On not just like the loss, but incredibly down, incredibly 1167 01:08:32.489 --> 01:08:33.909 depressing endings. 1168 01:08:33.930 --> 01:08:36.829 And I'm not saying there's no place for that. There 1169 01:08:36.869 --> 01:08:41.520 absolutely is. But Well, I mean, there better be. 1170 01:08:41.539 --> 01:08:45.340 That's what we talked about with obsession. There's a downer ending. 1171 01:08:45.659 --> 01:08:48.279 Yeah, but there is something. Sorry, one sec. 1172 01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:56.310 Sorry, folks. Robert is just getting over a nasty head cold. 1173 01:08:57.090 --> 01:08:59.010 I should have sent you some chicken noodle soup, man. 1174 01:08:59.109 --> 01:09:02.189 I offered. It would have been cold by the time 1175 01:09:02.229 -->

01:09:02.729 it got here. 1176 01:09:03.090 --> 01:09:04.430 You have a microwave. 1177 01:09:04.670 --> 01:09:07.029 Use it. I do, but it's not the same. Anyway, 1178 01:09:08.149 --> 01:09:14.079 but there is something incredibly compelling and incredibly moving about 1179 01:09:15.819 --> 01:09:22.109 taking kind of the, again, the very humanistic stance of Well, 1180 01:09:22.130 --> 01:09:23.829 if I'm going down, I'm taking you with me. 1181 01:09:23.890 --> 01:09:27.250 Well, you may be a giant cosmic entity and I 1182 01:09:27.289 --> 01:09:29.550 may be nothing but an ant to you. 1183 01:09:29.649 --> 01:09:30.250 But. 1184 01:09:31.510 --> 01:09:36.180 I'm going to do everything I can to make your 1185 01:09:36.220 --> 01:09:37.680 life as miserable as possible. 1186 01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:43.779 I'm trying to think of the best way to phrase this. 1187 01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:46.079 I think there should be a little bit of a move. 1188 01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:50.869 We need a few more cosmic horror movies. that don't 1189 01:09:51.010 --> 01:09:52.069 end with the. 1190 01:09:52.649 --> 01:09:58.930 Protagonist just like succumbing in pitiable silence and despair, but 1191 01:09:59.750 --> 01:10:02.390 going down in a blaze of glory. 1192 01:10:02.409 --> 01:10:08.500 I'm thinking of the scene in The Last Jedi where 1193 01:10:08.619 --> 01:10:14.100 the one, I think she's a senator or something, Laura 1194 01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:16.539 Dern's character stays behind on the ship. 1195 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:17.380 Admiral Holdo. 1196 01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:20.630 Admiral Holdo, thank you. can you tell it's been a 1197 01:10:20.630 --> 01:10:27.409 while since I've watched the sequel trilogy? Basically stays behind, 1198 01:10:27.689 --> 01:10:31.390 lines up the ship and hits the light speed button. 1199 01:10:31.430 --> 01:10:36.170 So it cuts through the empire ship as it goes. 1200 01:10:36.189 --> 01:10:39.770 It's like, she knows that she's not like, at least 1201 01:10:39.789 --> 01:10:42.220 she can take as many down with her as she can. 1202 01:10:43.699 --> 01:10:45.779 The one that has stuck with me, and it's a 1203 01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:48.939 small moment that gets kind of overlooked in the brilliance 1204 01:10:48.970 --> 01:10:51.770 of the rest of the movie, but near the end 1205 01:10:51.810 --> 01:10:56.550 of John Carpenter's The Thing, when MacReady's getting ready to 1206 01:10:56.569 --> 01:11:00.270 blow everything up, and there's the giant pillar that's an 1207 01:11:00.329 --> 01:11:04.510 amalgamation of everything it's created, and it's menacing him, and. 1208 01:11:04.890 --> 01:11:07.640 Kurt Russell with... I mean, he has full of great 1209 01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:11.819 line readings in that one, but lights up the dynamite 1210 01:11:12.100 --> 01:11:18.630 and just... in pure gutsy humanistic fashion. She goes, yeah. 1211 01:11:18.649 --> 01:11:21.300 And fuck you too. And then throws it at him 1212 01:11:21.310 --> 01:11:25.199 before running out. We need a little more of that. 1213 01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:29.479 Like, again, I don't need everyone to end like that, 1214 01:11:29.539 --> 01:11:34.060 but a little bit, letting a few of the cosmic 1215 01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:36.890 horror movies end with that sentiment as well. 1216 01:11:36.899 --> 01:11:40.029 It's like, it's like, I may have to die, but 1217 01:11:40.050 --> 01:11:42.609 I don't have to, I don't have to make it 1218 01:11:42.649 --> 01:11:43.270 easy for you. 1219 01:11:43.770 --> 01:11:48.689 Yeah. And I appreciated his decision to go with that 1220 01:11:48.750 --> 01:11:55.000 ending here instead of a more subdued, just purely fatalistic one. 1221 01:11:55.060 --> 01:12:00.220 There's a bit of quiet optimism that, or at least 1222 01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:04.340 hopefulness that is injected into this story that I was 1223 01:12:04.380 --> 01:12:06.520 a little bit surprised to find, but I think it's 1224 01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:09.289 a very welcome addition to the way the whole thing 1225 01:12:09.350 --> 01:12:14.220 plays out. This could have been trimmed a bit overall. 1226 01:12:14.420 --> 01:12:16.960 There's a big section in the middle when he's trying to, 1227 01:12:17.539 --> 01:12:18.640 you know, escape that. 1228 01:12:21.020 --> 01:12:22.180 I get that. 1229 01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:25.640 The sort of like there's sort of a compelling this 1230 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:28.699 to the tedium of what's going on there during that segment. 1231 01:12:30.020 --> 01:12:33.039 At the same time, you know, there's a little bit 1232 01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:35.359 of Markiplier, I think not quite wanting to kill all 1233 01:12:35.380 --> 01:12:40.430 of his darlings and. Maybe could have used someone else going, 1234 01:12:41.109 --> 01:12:43.210 it's okay if we trim some of this stuff, buddy. 1235 01:12:43.529 --> 01:12:44.409 It's going to be okay. 1236 01:12:48.750 --> 01:12:51.069 I stand by that if you want to watch this movie, 1237 01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:56.100 it's not a bad movie. Far from it. But it 1238 01:12:56.199 --> 01:13:01.260 does take a while to really get interesting. So your 1239 01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:06.520 best bet is to watch this dark room, lights off, 1240 01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:12.069 no distractions, silence your phone, put your phone in another room, actually, 1241 01:13:12.109 --> 01:13:14.550 just like, just get your phone away from you because 1242 01:13:15.109 --> 01:13:19.630 it is very hard to stay focused until things start 1243 01:13:19.649 --> 01:13:20.630 getting a little weird. 1244 01:13:22.949 --> 01:13:25.750 There is a, again, there's kind of a headspace to the, 1245 01:13:25.770 --> 01:13:31.729 the sort of like reduced scope and tedium of what's 1246 01:13:31.770 --> 01:13:35.369 going on that if you're able to access that part 1247 01:13:35.409 --> 01:13:39.109 of your brain and this stuff is boring. Like when 1248 01:13:39.130 -->

01:13:41.329 I say it's boring, it's intentional. This is a deliberate 1249 01:13:41.350 --> 01:13:44.770 artistic choice to kind of show what's going on as 1250 01:13:44.850 --> 01:13:49.630 this oppressive, but also very, very dull. 1251 01:13:51.109 --> 01:13:51.840 Circumstance. 1252 01:13:53.020 --> 01:13:55.979 And there is something like, again, sort of a compelling, 1253 01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:58.979 almost meditative quality to that, that if you can access 1254 01:13:59.020 --> 01:14:02.880 that headspace when you're going through it does really kind 1255 01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:04.399 of pull you along. 1256 01:14:04.020 --> 01:14:08.890 In some very interesting ways. And if you can't, it's really, 1257 01:14:09.210 --> 01:14:13.350 that part gets very, again, very, you kind of like 1258 01:14:13.380 --> 01:14:15.699 want to skip forward. I understand that, but. 1259 01:14:17.060 --> 01:14:18.800 Yeah, this would be the point where Mark just yells 1260 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:20.520 at us both, take your damn Adderall. 1261 01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:26.529 Well, even Mark would be here going, look, man, edit, cut, 1262 01:14:26.609 --> 01:14:27.289 kill your babies. 1263 01:14:29.069 --> 01:14:31.960 I will say there's a lot of, really great uh 1264 01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:35.279 staging a lot of really great work with that and 1265 01:14:35.500 --> 01:14:38.819 i would like to see uh mark fishbach uh tackle 1266 01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:42.779 some more projects maybe he did a um he did. 1267 01:14:42.619 --> 01:14:45.060 A series not long after this one i think um 1268 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:51.020 oh what the heck was that called i watched it 1269 01:14:51.079 --> 01:15:00.789 i should remember oh not the iron lung The Edge 1270 01:15:00.829 --> 01:15:04.630 of Sleep, which is a series. I think it's on 1271 01:15:04.689 --> 01:15:05.649 Amazon Prime, right? 1272 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.420 I think so. 1273 01:15:07.739 --> 01:15:12.140 Yeah. Yeah. He's the lead in that. It's also not bad. 1274 01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:17.020 That's one of those where more I tend to think 1275 01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:19.439 the nature of your premise doesn't quite lend itself to 1276 01:15:19.460 --> 01:15:21.439 the amount of time you've given it, but. 1277 01:15:23.100 --> 01:15:24.149 That one's also pretty good. 1278 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:29.250 So yeah, I'm, I am all for more people being 1279 01:15:29.329 --> 01:15:34.630 able to get sort of high-profile creative projects out into 1280 01:15:34.689 --> 01:15:35.170 the world. 1281 01:15:35.750 --> 01:15:39.010 Heaven knows, the last two years in particular, we've been 1282 01:15:39.170 --> 01:15:43.369 watching just the slow decline of the Hollywood machine and 1283 01:15:44.130 --> 01:15:50.180 the miserable slog of slop that is just thrown into 1284 01:15:50.220 --> 01:15:52.359 the trough for all of us, for the vast majority 1285 01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:52.640 of it. 1286 01:15:53.460 --> 01:15:55.380

You know, it's funny. We talked this time last year 1287 01:15:55.420 --> 01:15:58.859 about how horror has become the saving grace of creativity 1288 01:15:58.899 --> 01:15:59.600 in Hollywood. 1289 01:15:59.619 --> 01:16:03.840 It helps that you can do it for cheap is 1290 01:16:04.220 --> 01:16:06.680 the big saving grace of the horror genre. 1291 01:16:09.699 --> 01:16:11.590 I should also note, just one last thing before we 1292 01:16:11.619 --> 01:16:14.109 move on to our final film. If you're going into 1293 01:16:14.149 --> 01:16:16.930 this as a fan of Markiplier because you love his quips, 1294 01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:20.539 His wit, his comedy, his sense of humor. You are 1295 01:16:20.699 --> 01:16:22.199 so not getting that. 1296 01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:27.789 Yeah, that ain't it. He's to his credit. He's kind 1297 01:16:27.850 --> 01:16:28.569 of showing. 1298 01:16:28.350 --> 01:16:30.149 Off the like, yeah, I can act a little bit 1299 01:16:30.170 --> 01:16:34.449 because everybody sort of knows the persona that I put 1300 01:16:34.510 --> 01:16:36.689 on camera all the time because I'm on camera. 1301 01:16:36.350 --> 01:16:36.869 All the time. 1302 01:16:38.899 --> 01:16:41.069 This is not meant to be. What if we threw 1303 01:16:41.130 --> 01:16:43.949 Markiplier into this situation? It's what if we, it's him 1304 01:16:44.590 --> 01:16:47.109 legitimately trying to be a different character. 1305 01:16:47.130 --> 01:16:52.329 Yeah. And it works. He's, it looks like Markiplier. 1306 01:16:52.350 --> 01:16:56.359 So you kind of know it's Markiplier because, but he 1307 01:16:56.399 --> 01:17:00.619 doesn't act like himself. And that is to his eternal 1308 01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:03.720 credit as a guy who is, you know, sort of 1309 01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:05.600 dipping his toes into what it means to be an 1310 01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:09.729 actor and, And I give him a lot of credit 1311 01:17:09.770 --> 01:17:12.770 for that because it would have been real easy to just, hey, 1312 01:17:12.829 --> 01:17:15.069 be myself like I am in all of my YouTube videos. 1313 01:17:15.109 --> 01:17:17.739 And that's not what was called for here. 1314 01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:19.579 And it's not what he did. And that's a big 1315 01:17:19.619 --> 01:17:21.579 thumbs up because he could have done that. 1316 01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:25.300 I think a lot of people were expecting Simon to 1317 01:17:25.340 --> 01:17:28.649 be a bit more quippy. He's not. I think the 1318 01:17:28.739 --> 01:17:30.670 quippiest thing he says is when he finds out he 1319 01:17:30.729 --> 01:17:33.180 actually should have saved some of the water he found for. 1320 01:17:35.170 --> 01:17:36.529 I think it was like something for a part of 1321 01:17:36.569 --> 01:17:38.909 a life jacket. He looks like he just had to 1322 01:17:39.029 --> 01:17:40.640 chug the whole damn thing. 1323 01:17:40.649 --> 01:17:43.279 That's the closest he gets to it. Yeah. 1324 01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:48.720 So if you want to see Markiplier be quippy, just 1325 01:17:48.739 --> 01:17:51.760 go watch his videos. You know, not in short supply. 1326 01:17:53.020 --> 01:17:55.199 And we're going to move on to our third film, 1327 01:17:55.630 --> 01:18:00.359 Back Rooms, which was originally started by a creepypasta fan. 1328 01:18:01.810 --> 01:18:06.260 This was started in 2019 when an anonymous user started 1329 01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:12.640 a thread on 4chan' s paranormal theme board asking users to 1330 01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:20.069 post disquieting images that just feel off. Another user replied 1331 01:18:20.109 --> 01:18:22.970 to this post providing a name for the fictional location 1332 01:18:23.029 --> 01:18:25.369 and supplying the first description of the back rooms. And 1333 01:18:25.710 --> 01:18:28.750 I really do... loved i i think i brought this 1334 01:18:29.010 --> 01:18:32.149 uh quote up when we were discussing backrooms coming up 1335 01:18:32.189 --> 01:18:34.670 we have we never did a damn new hollywood. 1336 01:18:34.329 --> 01:18:37.239 On it no it got brought up and so that's 1337 01:18:37.319 --> 01:18:39.500 one of the reasons that i kind of because i 1338 01:18:39.539 --> 01:18:42.220 know a little bit about the actual backstory of this 1339 01:18:42.380 --> 01:18:45.899 and i haven't watched all of the youtube videos but 1340 01:18:45.939 --> 01:18:48.289 if you're looking for a basic primer to anyone out 1341 01:18:48.329 --> 01:18:52.310 there who wants to know like if you haven't seen 1342 01:18:52.329 --> 01:18:55.369 the movie yet, you don't need to know any of 1343 01:18:55.390 --> 01:18:56.770 the following information for. 1344 01:18:56.670 --> 01:18:58.989 It to be an effective film. But if you want 1345 01:18:59.029 --> 01:19:00.949 all the backstory, you don't want to watch all the 1346 01:19:00.989 --> 01:19:04.880 individual movies, may I just suggest Wendigo and has a 1347 01:19:04.920 --> 01:19:09.449 really nice summary of them. So check that out if 1348 01:19:09.489 --> 01:19:10.029 you're curious. 1349 01:19:10.449 --> 01:19:13.789 Well, here's the description. If you're not careful and you 1350 01:19:13.890 --> 01:19:16.600 noclip out of reality in the wrong areas, you'll end 1351 01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:19.020 up in the back rooms where it's nothing but the 1352 01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:22.939 stink of old moist carpet, the madness of mono yellow, 1353 01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:27.619 the endless background noise of fluorescent lights at maximum humbuzz, 1354 01:19:28.220 --> 01:19:33.430 and approximately 600 million square miles of randomly segmented empty 1355 01:19:33.590 --> 01:19:36.529 rooms to be trapped in. God save you if you 1356 01:19:36.569 --> 01:19:40.800 hear something wandering around nearby, because it sure as hell 1357 01:19:40.850 --> 01:19:46.239 has heard you. I'll be here all night. Be sure 1358 01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:47.020 to tip your waitress. 1359 01:19:47.979 -->

01:19:51.079 So, in the aftermath of this movie's success, Mark saw 1360 01:19:51.100 --> 01:19:54.859 it with his kids. And they were both very much 1361 01:19:54.939 --> 01:19:55.789 enthralled by it. 1362 01:19:55.840 --> 01:20:03.609 He didn't quite get it, and... Trying to explain the 1363 01:20:03.670 --> 01:20:07.109 appeal of liminal horror is a really tall task. 1364 01:20:08.829 --> 01:20:10.630 You're going to need a dry erase board for that. 1365 01:20:11.510 --> 01:20:15.390 If you don't understand, liminal spaces are.... 1366 01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:23.119 They are spaces that evoke memory in you, like you 1367 01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:27.189 think you've been there before, you've seen that place, and 1368 01:20:27.229 --> 01:20:27.810 they're just. 1369 01:20:29.630 --> 01:20:34.710 Because all hotel hallways kind of look the same, don't they? 1370 01:20:35.750 --> 01:20:38.750 The other idea of liminal space is that it's empty. 1371 01:20:40.670 --> 01:20:45.149 You think about your spaces like bookshelves, tables, desks, TVs, 1372 01:20:45.369 --> 01:20:50.579 posters on the wall. Liminal, it's minimal. That's where part 1373 01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:53.750 of the name comes from. So it feels off as in, 1374 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.279 There's nothing there to give you a sense of who 1375 01:20:57.420 --> 01:21:00.170 else is there, what else is there, what is the 1376 01:21:00.229 --> 01:21:01.390 purpose of this place. 1377 01:21:02.390 --> 01:21:07.430 And there's some really famous ones, images that are generated 1378 01:21:07.449 --> 01:21:08.130 for this. 1379 01:21:09.670 --> 01:21:12.350 Oh God, there are so many Facebook groups dedicated to 1380 01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:14.680 liminal photography. It's ridiculous. 1381 01:21:15.260 --> 01:21:19.930 Yeah, and So just kind of channeling that into repeated 1382 01:21:20.010 --> 01:21:23.949 iterations of things that you know, you remember, you've seen 1383 01:21:23.970 --> 01:21:24.510 this before. 1384 01:21:24.529 --> 01:21:28.310 And each one is a little different, a little more off, 1385 01:21:28.970 --> 01:21:31.229 a little more off, and a little more off. 1386 01:21:33.619 --> 01:21:37.659 And it's a weird sort of headspace that you have 1387 01:21:37.699 --> 01:21:41.539 to be in for that to really work. But it's 1388 01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:45.340 one of those things that especially the younger, if I 1389 01:21:45.380 --> 01:21:49.109 may speak as the old man, it's something that the 1390 01:21:49.149 --> 01:21:54.909 kids really are into. There's another thing about the back 1391 01:21:54.949 --> 01:21:59.229 rooms that part of the way they describe the back 1392 01:21:59.250 --> 01:22:02.829 room space in the movie is that it is a 1393 01:22:02.909 --> 01:22:10.390 bunch of memories and memories of memories. And it sort 1394 01:22:10.430 --> 01:22:13.819 of goes to the theory that you as a human 1395 01:22:13.859 --> 01:22:16.579 being don't actually remember, at a certain point, you don't 1396 01:22:16.619 --> 01:22:21.770 remember things, you remember remembering them. So what you actually, 1397 01:22:21.789 --> 01:22:25.189 if you got asked, you know, hey, what was your first. 1398 01:22:24.970 --> 01:22:26.050 Little League game like? 1399 01:22:26.090 --> 01:22:29.850 You don't remember that necessarily, but you remember remembering it, 1400 01:22:29.869 --> 01:22:31.949 so you can kind of cobble some stuff together. And 1401 01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:37.100 that's sort of what's going on there. And it's a 1402 01:22:37.119 --> 01:22:40.899 bit of a play on that. And Part of the 1403 01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:44.899 reason this sort of jives with like Gen Alpha is, 1404 01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:49.399 and we've talked about this before on Damn You Hollywood 1405 01:22:49.420 --> 01:22:50.479 in a few different respects. 1406 01:22:52.380 --> 01:22:57.619 We're living in a bit of the sort of underlying, 1407 01:22:57.659 --> 01:23:02.609 especially like big, broad appeal creative ethos is not forward looking, 1408 01:23:02.670 --> 01:23:06.310 it's backward looking. Yeah. 1409 01:23:06.939 --> 01:23:09.859 We had the wave of seventies nostalgia. We had, we're 1410 01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:12.810 had the wave of eighties nostalgia. We're still dealing with 1411 01:23:13.710 --> 01:23:17.529 just about being done with the nineties nostalgia. And the 1412 01:23:17.590 --> 01:23:21.460 problem is like, once we get through the, you know, 1413 01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:26.329 early arts nostalgia, by the time you get to like 2010, 1414 01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:31.010 that's when the 70, the eighties nostalgia was at its peak. 1415 01:23:32.869 --> 01:23:38.329 We're like this close to theoretically a post-nostalgia world because 1416 01:23:38.350 --> 01:23:41.310 there's nothing to be nostalgic for other than vague memories 1417 01:23:41.350 --> 01:23:42.369 of memories of memories. 1418 01:23:42.390 --> 01:23:45.100 I was going to say how long it is. It's like, 1419 01:23:45.340 --> 01:23:49.579 you remember the 80s? No, but I remember Andy Muschietti's 1420 01:23:49.779 --> 01:23:51.319 It and I remember Stranger Things. 1421 01:23:51.859 --> 01:23:56.829 Yep. And that's what passes for the 80s. That's kind 1422 01:23:56.930 --> 01:23:57.770 of where we're going. 1423 01:23:57.810 --> 01:23:59.630 That's sort of what the backroom speaks to. 1424 01:23:59.689 --> 01:24:02.409 It's a bunch of other people's memories of what things 1425 01:24:02.609 --> 01:24:10.199 were instead of anything new being generated. And that's not a. 1426 01:24:10.699 --> 01:24:15.590 Again, that's not a horrifying revelation to people of either 1427 01:24:15.619 --> 01:24:18.869 a certain age group or of a certain mindset. But 1428 01:24:19.949 --> 01:24:22.250 if you're Gen... Again, if you're kind of Gen Alpha 1429 01:24:23.350 --> 01:24:27.520 and all of your entertainment is... hey, remember when 30, 1430 01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:33.409 40

years ago, you're not building much of your own 1431 01:24:33.470 --> 01:24:37.210 going forward. It's all remains of a decaying empire. And 1432 01:24:37.250 --> 01:24:39.489 that's sort of what the backroom speaks to on a 1433 01:24:39.550 --> 01:24:44.000 big thematic level is everything's a memory of something else 1434 01:24:44.020 --> 01:24:48.680 that already came through. And boy, that is kind of 1435 01:24:48.739 --> 01:24:50.420 terrifying in its own unique way. 1436 01:24:52.279 --> 01:24:55.119 Well, what's interesting about this is that Cain Parsons, who 1437 01:24:55.140 --> 01:24:59.050 had already kind of built up a name on YouTube 1438 01:24:59.100 --> 01:25:04.630 doing animated short fan films, adapting the style of Attack 1439 01:25:04.710 --> 01:25:07.590 on Titan, presenting the series events in the style of 1440 01:25:07.630 --> 01:25:11.939 historic war photography, he became interested in the Backrooms through 1441 01:25:11.949 --> 01:25:15.840 the Creepypasta and started making short films inspired by them 1442 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:20.020 using Blender under the name Backrooms Found Footage. 1443 01:25:20.930 --> 01:25:23.390 Some of them are really good. Yeah. 1444 01:25:23.649 --> 01:25:29.210 Oh, no question. Which is why, oh God, which studio 1445 01:25:29.430 --> 01:25:37.960 financed this? A24. I almost said Blumhouse and I was like, wait, no, 1446 01:25:37.979 --> 01:25:41.800 it's not Blumhouse, it was A24. A24 reached out to 1447 01:25:41.819 --> 01:25:43.760 him and said, well, you've done such a good job 1448 01:25:43.779 --> 01:25:46.619 with these shorts. You want to come on and make 1449 01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:50.729 a feature film? I think that's what makes this so 1450 01:25:50.750 --> 01:25:53.810 fascinating for tonight's discussion is that all three of these 1451 01:25:53.869 --> 01:25:57.250 films were approached in different ways. These weren't all just 1452 01:25:58.210 --> 01:26:04.420 individual YouTubers seeking, you know, independent backers or self-funding or whatever. 1453 01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:07.840 This isn't always, these are very rarely like YouTuber goes 1454 01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:14.640 to Hollywood, like Markiplier is self-financed. Barker is just kind 1455 01:26:14.699 --> 01:26:18.840 of trying to make his way. And Cain Parsons was 1456 01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:20.039 like scouted. 1457 01:26:20.060 --> 01:26:22.760 Like, hey, you're the one who understands how this works. 1458 01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:25.979 And how many millions of views to your YouTube videos 1459 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:28.100 on this topic have, oh yes, you will come make 1460 01:26:28.140 --> 01:26:29.319 a movie for us now. 1461 01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:32.359 Don't we all wish that was the way when life goes? 1462 01:26:33.939 --> 01:26:36.779 If hard work were universally acknowledged and rewarded, the world 1463 01:26:36.819 --> 01:26:38.079 would look very, very differently. 1464 01:26:39.340 --> 01:26:42.859

No kidding. So our story takes place. We have a 1465 01:26:43.560 --> 01:26:47.130 failed architect named Clark who is running a furniture store 1466 01:26:47.659 --> 01:26:54.489 In the 1990s. He is. No kidding. He's coping with alcoholism. 1467 01:26:54.510 --> 01:26:58.529 He's got a struggling marriage. He's sleeping in the furniture store. 1468 01:26:58.550 --> 01:27:01.939 Because he got kicked out by. His soon to be ex-wife. 1469 01:27:02.939 --> 01:27:03.199 I mean. 1470 01:27:03.899 --> 01:27:06.220 At least the dude's got a bed and a TV. 1471 01:27:06.239 --> 01:27:09.159 You know. There are worse places to have to sleep 1472 01:27:09.260 --> 01:27:09.699 at night. 1473 01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:11.359 And. 1474 01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:15.109 He discovers. He's seeing a therapist. 1475 01:27:16.310 --> 01:27:16.380 Of. 1476 01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:25.380 And, well, he's working through this and he finds a, oh, 1477 01:27:25.460 --> 01:27:29.960 it's kind of like a portal. Just, you can walk 1478 01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:34.899 through a wall and he ends up in the back rooms. Now, 1479 01:27:34.930 --> 01:27:37.189 what I do love is that by making him an architect, 1480 01:27:37.210 --> 01:27:40.010 we actually have, we're given a reason why he's able 1481 01:27:40.050 --> 01:27:42.960 to scout this. He is able to lay out the 1482 01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:45.920 terrain and understand, okay, so this room goes here, this 1483 01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:48.140 room goes here, this room goes here, this room has this, 1484 01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:50.500 this room has that. So it makes a lot more 1485 01:27:50.619 --> 01:27:53.479 sense than just why someone is able to, you know, 1486 01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:56.920 figure out the layout. This is something that he's trained in. 1487 01:27:57.779 --> 01:28:02.050 And he starts bringing in his store assistants to help. 1488 01:28:06.250 --> 01:28:08.970 try to help him with this. And that's where things start. 1489 01:28:09.590 --> 01:28:12.649 He wants evidence. I know initially all he has is 1490 01:28:12.710 --> 01:28:17.069 his word. Like, Hey, I walked through a wall, found 1491 01:28:17.130 --> 01:28:19.310 my way into this weird place. And I don't know 1492 01:28:19.329 --> 01:28:22.670 what to do with that. And he is understandable. People 1493 01:28:22.689 --> 01:28:27.100 are understandably skeptical because would you believe me if I 1494 01:28:27.140 --> 01:28:27.649 said that? 1495 01:28:28.939 --> 01:28:32.520 So he, I would assume Mark finally broke you and 1496 01:28:32.539 --> 01:28:34.319 the tumor is just gained sentience. 1497 01:28:36.250 --> 01:28:38.979 So he gets a couple of people and goes, okay, 1498 01:28:39.010 --> 01:28:39.479 you bring a. 1499 01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:43.100 you bring a, you bring a camera, you bring a 1500 01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:45.279 video recorder and we will record. 1501 01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:49.710 What's going on here. And they do. And of course 1502 01:28:49.750 --> 01:28:52.210 that all goes sideways and the video never sees the 1503 01:28:52.250 --> 01:28:52.649 light of day. 1504 01:28:53.510 --> 01:28:56.109 And admittedly it's found footage, but it is probably one 1505 01:28:56.130 --> 01:28:58.270 of the scariest moments in the whole fricking movie. 1506 01:28:59.430 --> 01:29:00.369 Yep, it's up there. 1507 01:29:02.689 --> 01:29:07.590 And eventually he does get, well, Mary, his therapist, receives 1508 01:29:07.670 --> 01:29:12.380 a cryptic message from him on her answering machine where Clark, 1509 01:29:12.460 --> 01:29:14.079 he says, you know what, I'm just going to go 1510 01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:18.399 to the back rooms and I'm not coming back. So 1511 01:29:18.460 --> 01:29:25.800 Mary goes and she answers the back rooms and yeah, 1512 01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:28.340 Clark's kind of gone just a little cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. 1513 01:29:29.279 --> 01:29:30.829 while he's been down there. 1514 01:29:31.430 --> 01:29:34.130 The phrase used to be, he went native. 1515 01:29:37.789 --> 01:29:42.250 So, my original, I finally saw this when it came 1516 01:29:42.310 --> 01:29:46.369 on HBO Max not too long ago, and I messaged 1517 01:29:46.470 --> 01:29:49.350 Mark after watching it for the first time, and I said, okay, 1518 01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:54.439 here's my take on it. Kane Parsons, awesome director, dude 1519 01:29:54.479 --> 01:30:00.689 has talent, really good scares. But sweet Jesus, did that 1520 01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:02.439 script need a few more passes? 1521 01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:06.539 It definitely could have used a little help. 1522 01:30:09.539 --> 01:30:12.760 Because the scenes of them running through the back rooms 1523 01:30:13.380 --> 01:30:17.390 are great. Again, the scene with the found footage style 1524 01:30:18.069 --> 01:30:19.890 where you have one of the assistants tied to a 1525 01:30:19.949 --> 01:30:23.800 rope and they're trying to pull him up where... Apparently 1526 01:30:23.859 --> 01:30:26.380 the room has shifted and it's like this hallway doesn't 1527 01:30:26.420 --> 01:30:28.899 go straight. It goes down and they're trying to pull 1528 01:30:28.939 --> 01:30:30.850 him up and you hear them screaming, but you can't 1529 01:30:30.890 --> 01:30:35.050 see what is going after him is great. You have 1530 01:30:35.109 --> 01:30:39.130 a scene of Mary coming across this very cryptic mural 1531 01:30:40.069 --> 01:30:43.130 and the lights start dimming and you're waiting for something 1532 01:30:43.170 --> 01:30:45.329 to come out of the darkness as the lights dim, 1533 01:30:46.369 --> 01:30:48.449 but it's not. We cut back to Clark and he 1534 01:30:48.489 --> 01:30:51.420 grabs her again. It's a jump scare, but it is, 1535 01:30:51.699 --> 01:30:52.939 it is a hundred percent effective. 1536 01:30:54.470 --> 01:30:54.670 Yep. 1537 01:30:55.310 --> 01:30:58.800 These are all really good sequences, really good scares. Caden 1538 01:30:58.840 -->

01:31:03.680 Parson knows how to do good horror. But the script 1539 01:31:03.739 --> 01:31:10.840 goes on in so many places. And I'm trying to 1540 01:31:10.939 --> 01:31:15.470 find a term for this. We have discussed many times 1541 01:31:15.510 --> 01:31:17.970 where we have come across a film and we can't 1542 01:31:18.029 --> 01:31:21.229 figure out, are you leaving this up to the audience's 1543 01:31:21.270 --> 01:31:22.210 interpretation or. 1544 01:31:24.130 --> 01:31:28.609 Are you setting up sequels to answer these questions at 1545 01:31:28.649 --> 01:31:32.930 a later date? There are many moments of the back 1546 01:31:32.970 --> 01:31:38.270 rooms that are left very vague and very open-ended. And 1547 01:31:38.289 --> 01:31:43.770 I appreciate a good piece of art that lends itself 1548 01:31:43.789 --> 01:31:48.039 to asking the audience, what do you think? I love art. 1549 01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:51.680 The idea of so many theories. Again, we were just 1550 01:31:51.699 --> 01:31:55.560 talking about with obsessions. Like, what was actually possessing Nikki? 1551 01:31:55.970 --> 01:31:58.949 Was it a demon? Was it something else? I'm not 1552 01:31:59.050 --> 01:32:01.850 joking when I said somebody said it was the soul 1553 01:32:01.890 --> 01:32:08.850 of the dead cat. There is an art to doing 1554 01:32:08.899 --> 01:32:14.119 things like that. To creating something where you're leaving the 1555 01:32:14.300 --> 01:32:20.850 audience wondering and suggesting what has happened. But that also, 1556 01:32:21.550 --> 01:32:24.670 there's a very fun line between what do you think 1557 01:32:25.069 --> 01:32:27.560 and I'm just too damn lazy to write an ending. 1558 01:32:31.220 --> 01:32:34.119 Because at the end of this, we really don't know 1559 01:32:34.220 --> 01:32:37.180 what is going on with the back rooms. We meet 1560 01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:41.779 a team of scientists that are trying to solve this 1561 01:32:42.560 --> 01:32:45.399 and we find out that they used to make MRI machines. 1562 01:32:47.569 --> 01:32:51.329 But we have no idea how an MRI machine is 1563 01:32:51.350 --> 01:32:53.500 associated with this. And, and I've heard some people say, 1564 01:32:53.510 --> 01:32:55.729 it's like, well, this is the way an MRI machine works. 1565 01:32:55.770 --> 01:32:57.510 So it's kind of similar. And I'm like, great. So 1566 01:32:57.829 --> 01:32:59.329 unless you went to med school, you're going to have 1567 01:32:59.369 --> 01:33:03.659 absolutely no idea what the two connecting threads are. Cause 1568 01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:07.680 I don't know anything about MRI machines. So I don't 1569 01:33:07.699 --> 01:33:10.300 know if there's what, if that connection was on purpose 1570 01:33:10.340 --> 01:33:10.739 or not. 1571 01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:17.739 Uh, it is sort of, um, if you want more information, 1572 01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:19.810 I really hate to do this because I think the 1573 01:33:19.850 --> 01:33:21.789 criticism is valid, but I'm just going to throw this 1574 01:33:21.869 --> 01:33:24.909 out there. If you do want more sort of information 1575 01:33:24.989 --> 01:33:28.430 on this, you really do have to like go into 1576 01:33:28.510 --> 01:33:31.029 all of the YouTube videos that Parsons has done. And 1577 01:33:31.050 --> 01:33:34.149 that will actually give you a lot more in some respects, 1578 01:33:34.180 --> 01:33:35.939 a lot more answers in some respects, you know, more 1579 01:33:36.020 --> 01:33:40.140 questions because there's a lot that's meant to be ambiguous. 1580 01:33:42.979 --> 01:33:44.439 And I have heard a couple of people say, we'll 1581 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:47.630 have you watch it. And, No, I didn't watch his 1582 01:33:47.649 --> 01:33:48.449 YouTube videos. 1583 01:33:49.029 --> 01:33:49.800 I get it. 1584 01:33:49.880 --> 01:33:53.140 That's why I say the criticism is very valid. My, 1585 01:33:54.119 --> 01:33:56.300 to the extent that there's a bit of a, if you, 1586 01:33:56.640 --> 01:33:58.539 I can only just say like, if you do want more, 1587 01:34:00.020 --> 01:34:02.609 those videos exist, or again, there's a bunch of different 1588 01:34:02.649 --> 01:34:03.590 people who have. 1589 01:34:03.470 --> 01:34:08.310 A summations of them that you can check out. Again, 1590 01:34:08.609 --> 01:34:10.569 if you want more information about some of this stuff, 1591 01:34:10.609 --> 01:34:16.319 check those out. If not, no big deal. Um, they 1592 01:34:16.359 --> 01:34:18.119 don't talk a whole lot about it, but. 1593 01:34:19.539 --> 01:34:21.859 Yeah, when they say they're trying to figure the place out, 1594 01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:27.430 like it is infinite storage space. 1595 01:34:29.489 --> 01:34:37.789 It's not only that, like there's, there's like, there's something, 1596 01:34:37.850 --> 01:34:39.489 I forget exactly what it has been a minute since 1597 01:34:39.529 --> 01:34:44.100 I've gone into this, but like there is energy generation 1598 01:34:44.220 --> 01:34:45.619 going on in this whole thing too. 1599 01:34:46.350 --> 01:34:49.680 And if you can harness that, then, you know, hey, getting, 1600 01:34:49.689 --> 01:34:54.460 you know, free, potentially unlimited energy is certainly nothing to 1601 01:34:54.500 --> 01:35:00.640 sneeze at. Or at a minimum, moving the power generation 1602 01:35:00.859 --> 01:35:04.090 out of our physical dimension and into the back rooms 1603 01:35:04.119 --> 01:35:07.569 and then just, you know, running it through power lines 1604 01:35:07.630 --> 01:35:10.369 and whatnot out of there into our world is safer. 1605 01:35:10.390 --> 01:35:14.189 If something goes sideways, it's over there, not our problem. 1606 01:35:16.729 --> 01:35:19.909 So there's a lot kind of going on there that 1607 01:35:20.350 --> 01:35:22.810 could maybe be explored further if there are more of these. 1608 01:35:24.569 --> 01:35:28.109 But if not, I do think that ultimately what we 1609

01:35:28.149 --> 01:35:34.800 got here is a fairly nice examination of what liminal 1610 01:35:34.819 --> 01:35:41.840 space horror is. can look like in this format instead 1611 01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:44.260 of the, you know, analog. 1612 01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:48.239 Style YouTube videos, which is where it's largely been confined 1613 01:35:48.260 --> 01:35:49.060 to by this point. 1614 01:35:52.810 --> 01:35:57.609 The acting here is mostly it's Chidwili Ejiofor, who's great. 1615 01:35:57.949 --> 01:36:01.770 Everyone else is acceptable, but not remarkable. 1616 01:36:03.750 --> 01:36:13.659 The female lead, Renee She was previously up for Best 1617 01:36:13.680 --> 01:36:17.520 Supporting Actress for Sentimental Value last year, and she was 1618 01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:20.279 amazing in that. And she does bring her A-game to this. 1619 01:36:22.199 --> 01:36:25.659 I think Sentimental Value was one of the few that 1620 01:36:25.739 --> 01:36:27.579 I never got around to seeing because. 1621 01:36:27.399 --> 01:36:32.189 It was not a big... The Stellan Skarsgård Elle Fanning film? 1622 01:36:32.649 --> 01:36:32.810 Yep. 1623 01:36:33.609 --> 01:36:35.939 I know it because we talked a little bit about it, 1624 01:36:35.949 --> 01:36:37.310 but that was one of the few that. 1625 01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:40.859 When we were reviewing those, it was not available anywhere. 1626 01:36:40.939 --> 01:36:41.539 Oh, okay. 1627 01:36:41.979 --> 01:36:46.369 I gotcha. Like, it literally was like, hey, maybe it 1628 01:36:46.409 --> 01:36:48.630 was in one screen somewhere you have to drive 40 1629 01:36:48.630 --> 01:36:52.890 minutes to get to three weeks ago. And it wasn't 1630 01:36:52.909 --> 01:36:57.529 available digitally anywhere. So you kind of had to make 1631 01:36:57.569 --> 01:37:01.289 do with what you had. But she's not... When I say, like, 1632 01:37:02.520 --> 01:37:04.270 her performance in this is.... 1633 01:37:06.100 --> 01:37:08.659 Not remarkable it's not that she's a bad actress it's 1634 01:37:08.699 --> 01:37:12.220 that for any number of reasons like she's going for 1635 01:37:12.260 --> 01:37:17.880 very like kind of subtle melancholy and say it with 1636 01:37:17.939 --> 01:37:20.500 me everybody unprocessed trauma. 1637 01:37:22.739 --> 01:37:25.500 Whereas i think. 1638 01:37:24.439 --> 01:37:26.159 That's i was gonna say that's like the whole point 1639 01:37:26.199 --> 01:37:28.689 of the back rooms is unprocessed trauma. 1640 01:37:28.670 --> 01:37:31.409 Well even if you've processed it it still exists down 1641 01:37:31.470 --> 01:37:36.279 there is sort of the thing like Ejiofor is ultimately 1642 01:37:36.340 --> 01:37:41.720 consumed by the grotesque manifestation of his repressed anger and impotence. 1643 01:37:44.609 --> 01:37:50.449 It's kind of what kills everyone else around him, too. 1644 01:37:55.090 --> 01:38:03.149 The echo that Mary leaves behind is herself remembering... this 1645 01:38:03.250 --> 01:38:05.869 weird debrief that she has with Phil at the end. 1646 01:38:08.180 --> 01:38:12.619 And it's all... Again, when I say it's unprocessed, it's 1647 01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:15.880 unprocessed trauma. That's sort of. 1648 01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:21.149 Just like everything post-Babadook and the horror landscape has sort 1649 01:38:21.189 --> 01:38:27.010 of become about unprocessed trauma. And there's certainly a space 1650 01:38:27.109 --> 01:38:28.869 for that, but I'm a little. 1651 01:38:28.670 --> 01:38:29.829 Tired of it. Yeah. 1652 01:38:30.189 --> 01:38:33.449 So tired of everything being trauma. 1653 01:38:34.270 --> 01:38:37.109 Yeah, and I'm sorry, unless you're Jennifer Kent, you really 1654 01:38:38.140 --> 01:38:42.600 need to know what you're doing. Because between the Babadook 1655 01:38:42.659 --> 01:38:45.640 and her entry in Guillermo del Toro's Cabinet of Curiosities, 1656 01:38:45.779 --> 01:38:49.840 it's abundantly clear that she is a master of that 1657 01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:50.399 art form. 1658 01:38:51.859 --> 01:38:55.600 There's ways to do it, and per usual, the wrong 1659 01:38:55.640 --> 01:38:56.420 lesson was taken. 1660 01:38:56.439 --> 01:38:59.500 Like, hey, if the movie monster is about your unprocessed trauma, 1661 01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:00.560 that makes it good, right? 1662 01:39:00.579 --> 01:39:04.350 No, not even close. 1663 01:39:06.989 --> 01:39:12.189 Well, credit to Cain Parsons. He actually ended up in 1664 01:39:12.229 --> 01:39:16.720 Guinness now as the youngest director ever To have a 1665 01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:20.439 number one film at the box office. Because he was 1666 01:39:20.479 --> 01:39:26.920 only 20 when Backrooms was released. I'm 42 and I'm 1667 01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:28.460 still trying to figure out what the hell I'm supposed 1668 01:39:28.479 --> 01:39:33.090 to do with my life. So credit. That's pretty freaking amazing. Yeah. 1669 01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:35.989 Like you mentioned, there's a lot of really good direction 1670 01:39:36.029 --> 01:39:37.710 that takes place in this movie. 1671 01:39:38.130 --> 01:39:42.020 Some very good blocking. Some very good... uses of lighting. 1672 01:39:42.039 --> 01:39:45.920 Would definitely be curious to see what he does next 1673 01:39:46.020 --> 01:39:50.220 because there's plenty of space for him to do something 1674 01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:52.079 for sure. 1675 01:39:52.479 --> 01:39:56.380 Apparently A24 has greenlit a sequel and he has signed 1676 01:39:56.479 --> 01:39:58.800 on for it, but part of me wants to see 1677 01:39:58.859 --> 01:40:01.560 him take on something else, not Backrooms. I mean, again, 1678 01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:03.979 he's good at it and he said he wants to 1679 01:40:04.020 --> 01:40:06.420 go back and do more YouTube videos based off of it, 1680 01:40:07.039 --> 01:40:11.829 but that was my takeaway from this was You Cain 1681 01:40:11.850 --> 01:40:17.970 Parsons has massive, massive potential for

other horror projects. I 1682 01:40:18.010 --> 01:40:21.670 would love, love to see his name get attached to 1683 01:40:21.710 --> 01:40:25.710 something a little bit bigger budget. Yeah. I think this 1684 01:40:25.750 --> 01:40:28.229 was kind of like my reaction to finding out that 1685 01:40:28.250 --> 01:40:30.789 the director of weapons got signed on to resident evil. 1686 01:40:30.810 --> 01:40:31.670 I'm like, yes. 1687 01:40:31.850 --> 01:40:33.689 Oh my God. I want to see what someone with 1688 01:40:33.729 --> 01:40:36.470 that kind of talent can bring to something like this. 1689 01:40:36.729 --> 01:40:40.909 Same thing. Cain Parsons is clearly an amazing director. because 1690 01:40:41.489 --> 01:40:43.510 I had no complaints about that. I want to see 1691 01:40:43.609 --> 01:40:46.609 him get signed on to a major studio. I want 1692 01:40:46.649 --> 01:40:49.029 to see them say, okay, you were good with this. 1693 01:40:49.470 --> 01:40:52.069 Let's see what you could do with this. This is 1694 01:40:52.130 --> 01:40:55.729 a director I want to see, I have high expectations for. 1695 01:40:57.270 --> 01:41:00.489 To that end, I'm okay with him doing a sequel 1696 01:41:00.529 --> 01:41:02.550 to this, mostly because I think he will get a 1697 01:41:02.569 --> 01:41:07.649 bigger budget. And before throwing him into the deep end 1698 01:41:07.689 --> 01:41:10.819 of something else like Let's make sure he can actually 1699 01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:15.949 handle all that. But if he can, yeah, I'm with you. 1700 01:41:16.050 --> 01:41:18.850 I would love to see him start branching out, especially 1701 01:41:18.890 --> 01:41:23.250 if the next one is a more effective, more cleaned 1702 01:41:23.310 --> 01:41:24.409 up version of this one. 1703 01:41:24.770 --> 01:41:27.510 Let's see what he can do as things get more refined. 1704 01:41:27.529 --> 01:41:30.329 I would very much like to see him branch out 1705 01:41:30.390 --> 01:41:33.029 and be very curious to see what he's capable of 1706 01:41:33.090 --> 01:41:34.149 in other settings. 1707 01:41:37.369 --> 01:41:40.189 And Yeah, Zack Kreger. I mean, we were all very 1708 01:41:40.250 --> 01:41:41.890 complimentary of his Resident Evil. 1709 01:41:41.909 --> 01:41:47.449 Well, actually, I should not. I haven't seen it yet. 1710 01:41:47.789 --> 01:41:50.090 Oh, you're missing out. I want to. 1711 01:41:50.210 --> 01:41:54.350 I really want to. I just haven't had time. My 1712 01:41:54.430 --> 01:41:58.840 schedule has been so crazy lately since I've started dog walking. 1713 01:41:58.850 --> 01:42:01.720 Because usually I try to go to the matinees during 1714 01:42:01.760 --> 01:42:03.760 the week unless it's a movie I want to go 1715 01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:09.170 see on a big screen opening weekend. And it's like, okay, 1716 01:42:09.189 --> 01:42:11.609 do I even know I need to go walk these 1717 01:42:11.649 --> 01:42:16.989 dogs to make money? Being an adult sucks. 1718 01:42:18.430 --> 01:42:21.489 When you get a chance, it's pretty darn good. 1719 01:42:22.149 --> 01:42:25.149 I think part of me is just hoping it gets 1720 01:42:25.189 --> 01:42:27.510 released on one of the few streaming services I have 1721 01:42:27.529 --> 01:42:30.989 because I plan on watching it. I really do want 1722 01:42:31.010 --> 01:42:31.380 to see it. 1723 01:42:31.390 --> 01:42:32.409 Before it's going to wind up. 1724 01:42:32.689 --> 01:42:35.310 I was going to say, we both have cell phones. 1725 01:42:35.399 --> 01:42:36.229 One of us should.... 1726 01:42:38.060 --> 01:42:42.939 Hang on. It's still in theaters, technically? 1727 01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:44.500 Holy shit, really? 1728 01:42:47.529 --> 01:42:49.529 Again, sort of technically. Hang on, let me see who. 1729 01:42:52.430 --> 01:42:57.930 Sony released it. Columbia Pictures is the production. 1730 01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:03.840 Who owns Columbia? Yeah, Columbia is owned by Sony. Sony 1731 01:43:04.699 --> 01:43:13.779 is happy to rent their things out. What is the 1732 01:43:13.810 --> 01:43:14.810 streaming release date? 1733 01:43:14.890 --> 01:43:16.510 Oh, it's going to stream November 3rd. 1734 01:43:16.670 --> 01:43:19.090 Well, the VOD will be available November 3rd. 1735 01:43:20.489 --> 01:43:21.409 You know what it is? 1736 01:43:22.930 --> 01:43:23.949 Yeah, it'll be on Netflix. 1737 01:43:25.210 --> 01:43:25.689 Thank you. 1738 01:43:26.229 --> 01:43:26.380 Good. 1739 01:43:26.409 --> 01:43:27.439 That's one of the few I have. 1740 01:43:28.159 --> 01:43:29.399 In mid-January. 1741 01:43:30.260 --> 01:43:34.739 You know what? I've got this Friday off. It's at 1742 01:43:34.779 --> 01:43:36.750 the B & B Northland 14 at 4.45. 1743 01:43:36.739 --> 01:43:37.180 Screw it. 1744 01:43:37.300 --> 01:43:39.310 I'm going to go see it. 1745 01:43:42.989 --> 01:43:45.029 And when you do, remember the main character is the 1746 01:43:45.069 --> 01:43:47.289 same one who is the same actor who plays the 1747 01:43:47.350 --> 01:43:49.569 druggie in Weapons because he looks very different in this. 1748 01:43:50.109 --> 01:43:51.930 And also the same one who got swallowed by a 1749 01:43:51.970 --> 01:43:52.949 whale in Whale Fall. 1750 01:43:52.970 --> 01:43:55.729 I need to see that. It's in the near future. 1751 01:43:56.840 --> 01:44:01.180 So anyway, yeah, as far as Backrooms goes, there's definitely 1752 01:44:01.220 --> 01:44:07.159 some scary sequences. It's... It's been a pretty solid year 1753 01:44:07.220 --> 01:44:09.619 for horror again, and I think we're all better off 1754 01:44:09.739 --> 01:44:13.600 for it. When that genre is happily humming along, it 1755 01:44:13.739 --> 01:44:16.159 makes everything else feel like it's actually working, even when 1756 01:44:16.199 --> 01:44:16.659 it's not. 1757 01:44:19.340 --> 01:44:22.899 Like I said, we discussed this last year. Horror will 1758 01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:29.979 save the cinema landscape in the end. It's cheap.

It's creative. 1759 01:44:30.600 --> 01:44:34.159 It opens a lot of doors for original stories. And 1760 01:44:34.220 --> 01:44:42.770 great adaptations. So I think that it is the saving 1761 01:44:42.789 --> 01:44:44.630 grace of Hollywood. 1762 01:44:45.909 --> 01:44:49.630 Especially when there were more studios. Every studio had a 1763 01:44:49.670 --> 01:44:52.289 horror franchise that was kind of like, this is what 1764 01:44:52.329 --> 01:44:54.510 keeps the lights on and what pays the bills around 1765 01:44:54.550 --> 01:44:55.909 here and lets everything else work. 1766 01:44:56.550 --> 01:44:59.699 And now it's all getting merged like some poor soul 1767 01:44:59.739 --> 01:45:00.460 in the back rooms. 1768 01:45:01.670 --> 01:45:02.789 I mean, again, it used to be, you know, New 1769 01:45:02.890 --> 01:45:06.000 Line Cinema was the house that Freddie built very famously. 1770 01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:09.079 And Freddie kept going until they got like Lord of 1771 01:45:09.100 --> 01:45:10.199 the Rings, basically. 1772 01:45:12.100 --> 01:45:12.300 Yeah. 1773 01:45:12.420 --> 01:45:15.100 And now Warner Brothers just got bought out by Paramount. 1774 01:45:17.970 --> 01:45:20.579 Such is the landscape of the world we live in. A24, 1775 01:45:20.569 --> 01:45:20.840 God bless you. 1776 01:45:22.789 --> 01:45:24.010 Stay and help me, A24. You are my only hope. 1777 01:45:30.789 --> 01:45:33.989 They and Neon, A24 and Neon both have weird relationships 1778 01:45:34.029 --> 01:45:35.939 with some other major studio. I forget which one they're 1779 01:45:35.960 --> 01:45:37.800 technically owned by, but it doesn't matter. 1780 01:45:37.819 --> 01:45:40.579 Well, I lost faith in Blumhouse a long time ago. 1781 01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:46.260 Blumhouse will just respectfully to Blumhouse. 1782 01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:50.899 Blumhouse will just throw everything at the wall. And some 1783 01:45:50.939 --> 01:45:52.680 of it will stick and be very good and. 1784 01:45:52.640 --> 01:45:55.939 Some of it will very much not. But their strategy 1785 01:45:56.020 --> 01:45:56.859 is just. 1786 01:45:58.100 --> 01:45:59.939 If we make a lot of money, if we make, 1787 01:45:59.960 --> 01:46:04.630 you know, a surprisingly high number of movies for reasonable budgets. 1788 01:46:05.989 --> 01:46:08.789 Uh, it's like they're playing the numbers game on it 1789 01:46:08.949 --> 01:46:12.449 on the, at the end. It's like more good than bad. 1790 01:46:12.520 --> 01:46:15.159 We only need to, we only need like two hits 1791 01:46:15.239 --> 01:46:17.819 a year and we're still doing well. 1792 01:46:18.460 --> 01:46:22.399 So it means you just have to be discerning with 1793 01:46:22.439 --> 01:46:24.859 what you go see from them, but it's not a 1794 01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:26.619 business strategy. I can fault. Yeah. 1795 01:46:29.430 --> 01:46:33.170 Well, I think that wraps everything up for our triple feature. Again, 1796 01:46:33.289 --> 01:46:38.630 if you're looking for some really good horror this Halloween, 1797 01:46:38.930 --> 01:46:41.510 Obsession is available on Peacock. Backrooms, like I said, is 1798 01:46:41.529 --> 01:46:48.510 available on HBO Max. Iron Lung, interestingly, Markiplier, for what 1799 01:46:48.529 --> 01:46:51.770 I've read, he refused to sign a streaming license for 1800 01:46:51.810 --> 01:46:52.449 his film. 1801 01:46:52.590 --> 01:46:55.510 It does not have an official streaming home at the moment. 1802 01:46:55.909 --> 01:46:59.500 Nope. It is available on YouTube. You can rent it 1803 01:46:59.800 --> 01:47:03.140 for $ 5 for 48 hours. That's what I did. I 1804 01:47:03.180 --> 01:47:05.920 think you can purchase it for $ 10 or $ 20. I 1805 01:47:05.939 --> 01:47:08.050 can't remember if it was $ 9. 99 or $ 19. 1806 01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:07.989 99. 1807 01:47:07.979 --> 01:47:11.520 Could be either. I can't remember if there was a 1808 01:47:11.619 --> 01:47:15.119 one there or not. So again, if you're looking for 1809 01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:19.689 something good that's come out recently for some Halloween viewing, 1810 01:47:20.010 --> 01:47:22.350 we recommend any of these three films. 1811 01:47:22.970 --> 01:47:30.449 Yep. Some. You've got your, you know... atmospheric, oppressive, uh, 1812 01:47:30.449 --> 01:47:35.170 you know, fable. 1813 01:47:35.350 --> 01:47:41.659 Basically you've got claustrophobic cosmic horror and you've got liminal 1814 01:47:42.100 --> 01:47:43.560 psychological found footage. 1815 01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:45.479 Like what more could you ask for as far as 1816 01:47:45.500 --> 01:47:46.260 variety goes? 1817 01:47:46.960 --> 01:47:52.619 Pretty much. I always love doing horror stuff with you, man. 1818 01:47:52.699 --> 01:47:55.680 We really got to get the unholy Trinity going again. 1819 01:47:55.699 --> 01:48:00.949 Yeah. Depending on Jason's schedule. Well, I mean, there will 1820 01:48:00.989 --> 01:48:02.390 be four of us tomorrow when. 1821 01:48:02.289 --> 01:48:06.510 We talk about Crystal Lake and the perils of trying 1822 01:48:06.550 --> 01:48:08.909 to blend human and cockroach DNA. 1823 01:48:09.710 --> 01:48:12.989 You brought that up on the carrier. But also, I 1824 01:48:12.970 --> 01:48:15.720 should add, folks, if you're interested in hearing more about 1825 01:48:15.720 --> 01:48:17.800 what we have to say about horror, last night we 1826 01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:22.279 were we joined Mark Radledge to talk about Clayface which 1827 01:48:22.319 --> 01:48:26.319 we all gave pretty good reviews to the night before 1828 01:48:26.340 --> 01:48:30.170 that Mark and I looked at Monster the Lizzie Borden 1829 01:48:30.229 --> 01:48:33.689 story the latest outing from Ryan Murphy to which we 1830 01:48:33.770 --> 01:48:37.199 said really Ryan could you find no other way to 1831 01:48:37.260 --> 01:48:40.560 tie these stories together other than girls can kill too! 1832 01:48:40.579 --> 01:48:45.960 We're gonna

eventually, eventually everyone will realize the real monster 1833 01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:47.420 all along was Ryan Murphy. 1834 01:48:47.439 --> 01:48:52.359 You're not wrong. Especially since chances are pretty, actually I'd 1835 01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:55.199 love to hear your thoughts on this. I don't think 1836 01:48:55.220 --> 01:48:59.819 we're getting H.H. Holmes yet. Damn it! It'd be too interesting. 1837 01:49:00.460 --> 01:49:01.020 I know, right? 1838 01:49:01.079 --> 01:49:02.579 I'm sorry, how cool would it be to have Ryan 1839 01:49:02.600 --> 01:49:04.180 Murphy do H.H. Holmes' Hotel? 1840 01:49:04.970 --> 01:49:07.670 I'd rather have someone who doesn't suck do it, but, 1841 01:49:07.689 --> 01:49:07.970 you know. 1842 01:49:08.289 --> 01:49:11.289 Well, Martin Scorsese's been in pre-production hell for I don't 1843 01:49:11.329 --> 01:49:13.850 know how many years on Devil in the White City. 1844 01:49:13.869 --> 01:49:17.949 And Scorsese's struggling with it, you know. 1845 01:49:17.979 --> 01:49:22.899 It's like, come on, DiCaprio's ready. And DiCaprio would be 1846 01:49:22.939 --> 01:49:23.800 a good H.H. Holmes. 1847 01:49:25.020 --> 01:49:26.939 A little too close to who he is in real life. 1848 01:49:29.939 --> 01:49:34.310 Just kidding, NSA. But from what I've heard. 1849 01:49:34.329 --> 01:49:36.689 Maybe not. You need to look at him closer. 1850 01:49:37.970 --> 01:49:39.970 From what I've heard, the fifth season of Monster, they're 1851 01:49:39.989 --> 01:49:45.149 looking at possibly John Wayne Gacy, the Green River Killer, 1852 01:49:46.670 --> 01:49:54.609 the BTK Killer, and the Night Stalker. I think the 1853 01:49:54.689 --> 01:49:58.010 Night Stalker would be really good for Monster. 1854 01:49:58.029 --> 01:49:58.109 Sure. 1855 01:50:00.359 --> 01:50:03.100 I have a very weird relationship with the entire Monster 1856 01:50:03.279 --> 01:50:10.619 franchise because Murphy's relationship with the actual history and actual 1857 01:50:10.680 --> 01:50:14.960 facts is so loose that he sort of inadvertently defames 1858 01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:15.979 a bunch of dead people. 1859 01:50:17.279 --> 01:50:19.890 Don't watch the Lizzie Borden episodes. You're going to throw 1860 01:50:19.930 --> 01:50:20.949 something at the TV. 1861 01:50:21.869 --> 01:50:25.250 I gave up after Ed Gein. Charlie Hunnam does a 1862 01:50:25.310 --> 01:50:26.430 great acting job, but. 1863 01:50:28.399 --> 01:50:30.960 He's really good as Andrew Borden in this. 1864 01:50:31.300 --> 01:50:32.340 Yeah, he's a good actor. 1865 01:50:32.659 --> 01:50:35.819 I'm not mad at him for having the job. But 1866 01:50:36.479 --> 01:50:39.979 when you're the showrunner and you decide, hey, this real-life 1867 01:50:40.060 --> 01:50:45.699 woman who was in real life briefly attached with this 1868 01:50:45.779 --> 01:50:48.090 guy in various capacities, how about we just make her 1869 01:50:48.100 --> 01:50:50.010 a much bigger part of his life and make her 1870 01:50:50.050 --> 01:50:51.390 complicit in his crimes? 1871 01:50:51.829 --> 01:50:55.989 When, again, this is a real person. I think he 1872 01:50:56.069 --> 01:51:00.569 is just, like, frankly irresponsible with the history and the 1873 01:51:00.649 --> 01:51:04.520 real people involved. And I find it just too off-putting 1874 01:51:04.560 --> 01:51:07.859 to engage with that franchise anymore in the future. 1875 01:51:08.680 --> 01:51:10.560 I'll just wait till you find out that he made 1876 01:51:10.619 --> 01:51:13.399 Lizzie Borden a suffragette just because he really wanted to 1877 01:51:13.439 --> 01:51:17.010 stick with the theme that girls are better than men 1878 01:51:17.050 --> 01:51:17.729 in this season. 1879 01:51:18.569 --> 01:51:22.800 It doesn't surprise me. Murphy is... I don't think highly 1880 01:51:22.840 --> 01:51:24.760 of anything he does, basically, at this point. 1881 01:51:24.840 --> 01:51:29.199 He has had talented people attached to his projects, but 1882 01:51:29.260 --> 01:51:29.699 none of his. 1883 01:51:29.699 --> 01:51:34.560 Projects are all that good, independent of the people involved. 1884 01:51:35.560 --> 01:51:37.899 Still love what he did with the Jeffrey Dahmer season. 1885 01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:43.869 Still really legit love to that season. Admittedly, a lot 1886 01:51:43.890 --> 01:51:49.510 of that is up to, thanks to Evan Peters, Richard Jenkins, 1887 01:51:49.770 --> 01:51:53.539 and I think it's Niecy Nichols is her name. The 1888 01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:54.890 actress who plays his neighbor. 1889 01:51:55.510 --> 01:51:56.050 Probably. 1890 01:51:56.069 --> 01:51:59.029 Because all three are amazing in that. 1891 01:51:59.630 --> 01:52:03.750 Again, he's good at attracting talented actors to read his crap. 1892 01:52:05.289 --> 01:52:06.430 Sort of how that goes. 1893 01:52:06.890 --> 01:52:09.100 And then he brought in Ashton Kutcher for Beauty. What's 1894 01:52:09.119 --> 01:52:09.960 your excuse there? 1895 01:52:14.039 --> 01:52:17.680 It's the Monster series. Ashton Kutcher is an appropriate name. 1896 01:52:18.319 --> 01:52:21.949 No, no, Beauty wasn't Monster. Beauty was that miniseries about 1897 01:52:22.229 --> 01:52:26.069 get the injections and you turn into this glamorous version 1898 01:52:26.109 --> 01:52:26.569 of yourself. 1899 01:52:26.590 --> 01:52:30.090 Like I said, most of what he does is not 1900 01:52:30.130 --> 01:52:30.590 very good. 1901 01:52:33.010 --> 01:52:35.279 For the record, I didn't see Beauty and I'm refusing 1902 01:52:35.319 --> 01:52:37.300 to do a TV party tonight over that because even 1903 01:52:37.359 --> 01:52:41.800 I have standards, folks. Even though I got to go 1904 01:52:41.939 --> 01:52:44.939 binge Agatha all along so I can watch Vision Quest. 1905 01:52:45.420 --> 01:52:48.640 Don't do it. I'm telling you, don't do it. You 1906 01:52:48.680 --> 01:52:50.739 don't want to watch it. You really don't. 1907 01:52:53.970 -->

01:52:55.869 Mark put me in charge because I got to watch 1908 01:52:55.909 --> 01:52:57.409 the shit that he doesn't want to watch. 1909 01:52:59.210 --> 01:53:02.189 So just watch Vision Quest. That's all I'm saying. Don't 1910 01:53:02.229 --> 01:53:03.489 watch Agatha. It's not good. 1911 01:53:05.300 --> 01:53:07.720 All right. So, yes, Robert and I will be back 1912 01:53:07.760 --> 01:53:10.399 tomorrow night with joined by Sean Comer and Jason Teasley 1913 01:53:10.439 --> 01:53:16.760 to discuss Crystal Lake. The miniseries on Peacock looking at 1914 01:53:16.840 --> 01:53:21.579 Pamela Voorhees and just what drove her to becoming the 1915 01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:25.220 true killer of the Friday the 13th franchise. 1916 01:53:25.500 --> 01:53:28.319 Spoiler alert, she doesn't actually kill the. 1917 01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:32.430 There's so many stupid decisions that show makes around. 1918 01:53:32.189 --> 01:53:36.489 A few key moments. We'll get to it tomorrow. I 1919 01:53:36.529 --> 01:53:38.829 don't want to spoil my opinion when it's all said 1920 01:53:38.850 --> 01:53:39.310 and done yet. 1921 01:53:41.449 --> 01:53:44.350 Robert and I will be back next week on November 3rd. 1922 01:53:44.369 --> 01:53:46.489 We're going to do a Danview Hollywood joined by Zachary 1923 01:53:46.510 --> 01:53:50.260 Strobel to take a look at Wildwood, the latest from 1924 01:53:50.340 --> 01:53:53.380 Leica Studios. And we're going to discuss, my God, people, 1925 01:53:53.439 --> 01:53:55.819 what does it take you to actually go see something 1926 01:53:55.979 --> 01:54:00.890 unique and independently funded and not made with a trace 1927 01:54:00.939 --> 01:54:04.210 of AI? I don't. 1928 01:54:06.250 --> 01:54:11.520 Know. The masses are the masses. And they are unwashed 1929 01:54:11.579 --> 01:54:14.279 and loud. Sorry. 1930 01:54:14.600 --> 01:54:18.279 Wildwood had the low, while it's number three at the 1931 01:54:18.319 --> 01:54:22.600 box office right now, it had the lowest box office 1932 01:54:22.840 --> 01:54:27.640 of all the Leica films. And that just really depresses me. 1933 01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:31.670 It really is a depressing statistic. How is that lower 1934 01:54:31.689 --> 01:54:32.569 than the missing link? 1935 01:54:34.609 --> 01:54:35.409 I have no idea. 1936 01:54:35.430 --> 01:54:38.229 Yeah. 1937 01:54:39.319 --> 01:54:44.140 Well, actually, I think Missing Link had a higher... Didn't 1938 01:54:44.159 --> 01:54:45.920 that premiere first in the UK? 1939 01:54:45.939 --> 01:54:48.579 I don't know. It might have. I'd have to double check. 1940 01:54:49.039 --> 01:54:51.340 Yeah, because I think that's why it did better, because 1941 01:54:51.380 --> 01:54:53.960 it had a higher... Because that was an Aardman production. 1942 01:54:53.979 --> 01:54:57.399 They were attached to it, yeah. Yeah. 1943 01:55:02.590 --> 01:55:05.449 But yeah, we'll discuss more of that next week. 1944 01:55:07.020 --> 01:55:09.100 As for me,

you can also find me next Monday. 1945 01:55:09.140 --> 01:55:11.380 There will be a triple feature. Mark and I will 1946 01:55:11.399 --> 01:55:16.909 be discussing Matchbox, the movie, Sacrifice, and Animals. We are 1947 01:55:16.949 --> 01:55:20.609 doing one of our many streaming catch-ups, so. 1948 01:55:22.750 --> 01:55:26.850 I have to suffer through John Cena and Jessica Biel 1949 01:55:27.289 --> 01:55:31.899 in a Matchbox movie. I don't know what I did 1950 01:55:31.939 --> 01:55:34.520 in a past life to deserve this, but unless I 1951 01:55:34.579 --> 01:55:35.420 was H.H. 1952 01:55:35.460 --> 01:55:37.319 Holmes, I'm not sure this is fair. 1953 01:55:40.739 --> 01:55:42.829 That may single-handedly be one of the most brilliant things 1954 01:55:42.850 --> 01:55:44.369 you've ever said. Bravo. 1955 01:55:48.130 --> 01:55:49.710 I'll take it. Sorry. 1956 01:55:50.109 --> 01:55:52.930 Every time I watch something for the Matchbox movie, I 1957 01:55:52.970 --> 01:55:57.479 just look and I'm like, so it's Fast and the Furious. No, 1958 01:55:57.539 --> 01:56:01.239 it's Matchbox. But it's Fast and the Furious. No, I'm sorry. 1959 01:56:01.319 --> 01:56:04.840 I see no difference at all. 1960 01:56:05.180 --> 01:56:06.039 There really isn't. 1961 01:56:06.739 --> 01:56:09.060 Yeah, you know that meme about, like, tell me the 1962 01:56:09.100 --> 01:56:11.619 difference between these two images. They're the same thing. 1963 01:56:12.380 --> 01:56:15.510 Literally. You could throw in the old Need for Speed 1964 01:56:15.560 --> 01:56:23.090 movie starring... Oh, I'm blanking on the actor. Aaron Paul, 1965 01:56:23.210 --> 01:56:23.609 thank you. 1966 01:56:26.500 --> 01:56:28.680 As another of the, hey, so this is Fast and 1967 01:56:28.699 --> 01:56:30.199 the Furious, right? Yeah, pretty much. 1968 01:56:31.239 --> 01:56:34.699 Sorry, I have blanked out most of anything associated with 1969 01:56:34.760 --> 01:56:37.539 Need for Speed, with the exception of the cover of 1970 01:56:37.699 --> 01:56:42.600 Riders on the Storm featuring Snoop Dogg. Because, damn, that 1971 01:56:42.619 --> 01:56:43.079 was awesome. 1972 01:56:44.439 --> 01:56:48.840 I hate to give Snoop Dogg credit, but yes. All right, 1973 01:56:48.899 --> 01:56:51.260 so that's pretty much going to do it for us here, people. 1974 01:56:51.300 --> 01:56:55.060 So again, for me, later this week, again tomorrow, the 1975 01:56:55.079 --> 01:56:59.000 Crystal Lake TV party, and then my usual spate of 1976 01:56:59.060 --> 01:57:03.039 coverage over at 411mania. com, WWE SmackDown on Fridays, UFC events 1977 01:57:03.119 --> 01:57:06.439 on Saturdays. I host the 411 Ground to Pound MMA 1978 01:57:06.500 --> 01:57:10.079 podcast late Sunday evening slash early Monday morning, depending on 1979 01:57:10.140 --> 01:57:12.399 where you are in the world and what my. 1980 01:57:12.300 --> 01:57:13.979 Life has looked like on that particular Sunday. 1981 01:57:15.859 --> 01:57:19.220

Uh, most recently we reviewed UFC three 33, which was 1982 01:57:19.579 --> 01:57:23.939 a beacon of light in the sloggy storm of what 1983 01:57:23.979 --> 01:57:27.949 the UFC is offering these days. And yeah, next week, 1984 01:57:28.189 --> 01:57:32.409 triple feature on Monday, Wildwood on Tuesday. And I think 1985 01:57:32.449 --> 01:57:34.710 that's it for me next week. 1986 01:57:35.390 --> 01:57:41.350 Double check. Uh, yeah, that is actually it for me 1987 01:57:41.409 --> 01:57:44.180 next week. I think so. Only two shows. That's, uh, 1988 01:57:45.380 --> 01:57:48.409 A little different. Then the week after that, we finally 1989 01:57:48.470 --> 01:57:50.989 get a good movie with Godzilla minus zero. And we're 1990 01:57:51.029 --> 01:57:53.170 all very, very excited. 1991 01:57:53.430 --> 01:57:58.920 Look forward to it. After cramming the good movies before 1992 01:57:58.960 --> 01:58:00.100 I have to go watch Hexed. 1993 01:58:01.300 --> 01:58:03.699 We don't talk about that. It's just our impending doom. 1994 01:58:05.880 --> 01:58:09.529 No, my impending doom, according to Mr. Rattledge, is apparently remain. 1995 01:58:10.420 --> 01:58:12.340 Well, that's your impending doom. 1996 01:58:14.800 --> 01:58:17.020 For those who didn't watch our Clayface review last night, 1997 01:58:17.039 --> 01:58:21.909 apparently Mark is so gleefully looking forward to torturing me. 1998 01:58:22.829 --> 01:58:26.229 by making me review the team-up of M. Night Shyamalan 1999 01:58:26.350 --> 01:58:28.130 and Nicholas Sparks. 2000 01:58:28.479 --> 01:58:31.760 That's your own personal Sinister Six coming together right there 2001 01:58:31.779 --> 01:58:33.039 in the form of two people. 2002 01:58:34.979 --> 01:58:36.119 Yeah, pretty much. 2003 01:58:36.140 --> 01:58:38.680 Actually, no, there's more, because Jake Gyllenhaal's the lead. 2004 01:58:38.859 --> 01:58:40.420 I like Jake Gyllenhaal, though. 2005 01:58:40.439 --> 01:58:41.319 All right, that's me. 2006 01:58:41.539 --> 01:58:43.340 Who knows that he's a terrible leading man, and if 2007 01:58:43.359 --> 01:58:45.060 he's the lead in your movie, it's not a good sign. 2008 01:58:45.579 --> 01:58:49.659 Oh, I know. Wait, were you on the Roadhouse remake 2009 01:58:49.720 --> 01:58:50.699 review from last year? 2010 01:58:51.979 --> 01:58:55.739 I avoided that particular bomb as hard as I could. 2011 01:58:55.760 --> 01:58:56.539 Okay. 2012 01:58:56.739 --> 01:59:00.100 Cause yeah, I think it was Pat on the group 2013 01:59:00.159 --> 01:59:06.090 chat who just would not stop complaining about the fight 2014 01:59:06.109 --> 01:59:07.949 choreography featuring Jill and all. 2015 01:59:08.970 --> 01:59:09.630 It wasn't good. 2016 01:59:09.869 --> 01:59:11.989 They spent, they like had to use a bunch of 2017 01:59:12.069 --> 01:59:13.970 shutter tricks to try and make his hands look like 2018 01:59:13.989 --> 01:59:15.010 they were moving quickly. 2019 01:59:15.510 --> 01:59:16.229 And that's what I heard. 2020 01:59:17.060 --> 01:59:21.510 It's really, really, really obvious, and it's really cheap. 2021 01:59:24.949 --> 01:59:26.949 All right, and now it's on to my personal plugs. 2022 01:59:26.989 --> 01:59:30.210 Honeysuckle Rose Creations. We're fashion meets fandom at the intersection 2023 01:59:30.229 --> 01:59:33.529 of geek and chic. You should be drinking hot tea, 2024 01:59:33.590 --> 01:59:34.069 by the way. 2025 01:59:34.090 --> 01:59:41.859 Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. If tomorrow I come 2026 01:59:41.899 --> 01:59:43.579 back and everyone's slaughtered, I owe you a Coke. 2027 01:59:46.130 --> 01:59:49.100 One more reference. Well done, sir. Well done. 2028 01:59:50.420 --> 01:59:50.680 All right. 2029 01:59:50.859 --> 01:59:54.520 Honeysuckle Rose creations. Our Etsy store is fully stocked and 2030 01:59:54.539 --> 01:59:56.840 ready to go. Our handmade at Amazon shop is currently 2031 01:59:56.899 --> 01:59:59.520 closed due to technical difficulties. I am working my ass 2032 01:59:59.579 --> 02:00:01.159 off to try to get that thing back up and 2033 02:00:01.199 --> 02:00:05.289 running before we get into the holiday season. So fingers 2034 02:00:05.350 --> 02:00:07.510 crossed dealing with an AI bot every time I try 2035 02:00:07.529 --> 02:00:09.329 to call in and ask for help. And I hate it. 2036 02:00:10.369 --> 02:00:13.939 We did just launch our Shopify store. It's a, about 2037 02:00:14.100 --> 02:00:16.289 partway full i need to go ahead and get some 2038 02:00:16.310 --> 02:00:19.109 more items listed on there and as always you can 2039 02:00:19.149 --> 02:00:23.449 follow us on facebook instagram blue sky and tiktok and 2040 02:00:23.489 --> 02:00:26.760 if you're in uh the twin cities area uh we 2041 02:00:26.779 --> 02:00:29.260 are going to be doing twin cities con the weekend 2042 02:00:29.300 --> 02:00:32.640 of november 20th 21st 20 well weekend of the 21st 2043 02:00:32.680 --> 02:00:34.789 i don't remember what dates those exactly are at the 2044 02:00:34.829 --> 02:00:37.979 moment Looking forward to it. Love working in Minneapolis. It's 2045 02:00:38.060 --> 02:00:40.829 one of my favorite places in the country to go to. 2046 02:00:40.890 --> 02:00:43.109 It's a beautiful city. The people there are so kind 2047 02:00:43.149 --> 02:00:45.250 and the food is amazing. So look forward to a 2048 02:00:45.270 --> 02:00:49.060 fun weekend. So thank you for joining us tonight for myself, 2049 02:00:49.100 --> 02:00:53.100 for Mr. Robert Winfrey. Hope you have a happy Halloween. 2050 02:00:53.220 --> 02:00:56.039 I'm going to go force Robert to go watch Shelby Oaks.