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Welcome to the Radical Imagination Podcast, where we dive into the stories and solutions that are fueling change. I'm your host, Angela Glover Blackwell, living in harmony with the Earth has always been a core practice of the Navajo tribe, but more than 150 years after a treaty with the federal government established the Navajo Nation Reservation and promised to support them with agriculture, the Navajo are still fighting for access to a fundamental human right clean running water. The Navajo Reservation spans over 17 million acres across Arizona, Utah, and New Mexico. Yet it's estimated that at least 30% of Navajo households do not have access to running water. A Supreme Court decision in June added another blow to this struggle ruling that the 1868 Treaty did not require the federal government to ensure the Navajo tribe had access to water. The case has been ongoing for 20 years. The Navajo Nation first sued the federal government in 2003, arguing that they failed to protect Navajo water rights to the Colorado River. Today, ongoing droughts worsened by the climate crisis have made access to the Colorado River system even more difficult. In today's episode, we'll hear from Cindy Howell, the director of the Navajo Water Project at Dig Deep, an organization that has been working to increase water access for underserved communities. Cindy has been on the front lines working to close the water gap in her community. Cindy , welcome to Radical Imagination.
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Thank you.
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Before we start talking about the issue of water access in Navajo communities and the work you're doing, I'd love to learn more about you and your background and what brought you to this work?
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When I was younger, well, my parents used to haul water from about seven miles away, so we never had water. When I was younger, they would bring the barrels to a place called Blue Water Lake State Park, where they had a watering point, and that's where we received our water from. So that was done like maybe on the weekends so that we have enough water for us to take a tub bath on Sunday so that we can attend school on Monday. My father used to be a council delegate for the Navajo Nation, so I kind of tagged along every so often to attend his meetings, and I would just sit, you know, there listening to everything. And that kind of pushed me towards getting into a community leadership role. I've learned a lot about people that don't have running water, not only Navajo people, but other communities that surround the Navajo Nation. So that's how I got into working with water, because water is a big need. Everybody has to have water.
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It's so true. And there was a big Supreme Court decision this year dealing with water access in Navajo communities,
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A five four decision in which Justice Kavanaugh wrote for the majority, saying that a 155 year old law regarding water access for the Navajo Nation means that the federal government does not have to ensure water access. That's a blow for the Navajo Nation. It's one of their most important issues.
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The court ruled in June that the federal government was not required to ensure the Navajo tribe had access to water. Can you talk about how this decision impacts Navajo communities and what was the response from your community,
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Even though it was ruled against us as a person, as a community member, as a Navajo person, it is my responsibility to continue to do what I'm doing right now to help those people that don't have running water. They have been promised years after years, and to this point, a lot of people still have not seen water in their communities or their own homes. So we just have to keep on living, even though the decision was made, not in our favor, we have to continue to do the work that we are doing. Mm-Hmm.
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<affirmative> people are determined to make sure that they have access and dig deep states that 30% of Navajo families don't have adequate access to water. Can you share some of the on the ground examples of what this looks like in Navajo communities? What do they do to get access to usable water? You talked about your experiences as a child, but is that how it's continued throughout the years?
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So as Navajo people, you we're used to hauling water for our families, they could be in the 55 gallon drums, and more and more now I see the 275 gallon barrels that they use to retrieve water. So at the first of the month, people get their monthly checks and they go to the shopping, they get their food for the month, and also there's always gonna be a propane cylinder in the back of their truck, and then 2 55 gallon water barrels, and they know they only have maybe 110 gallons of water. So they're gonna have to really be careful how they use the water. And to this day, there's a lot of people that still carry milk jugs, five gallon containers in back of their vehicles. And for myself, I had an aunt when she first got her waterline, she was 72 years old. Now she doesn't have a long period of time to where she's gonna be able to enjoy running water inside her house.
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Can you talk about the work that the Navajo Water Project of Dig Deep has been doing to implement new water and wastewater systems for Navajo households?
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So when Dig Deep actually started, we were doing the home water system, meaning that we put a 1200 gallon tank underground, and then we put a pump on the inside under a sink and actually pulls the water from the tank into the house. So that's what we've been doing for years. And this is led by Navajo people. So the , the people that work will dig deep on a Navajo water project, they're fluent in their own language, which makes it easier for us to talk to our clients in the
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homes on how to take care of their system. Yes, they have water, but what about wastewater? So when an Navajo home is built, usually it doesn't have a bathroom, so that would be a bathroom addition that needs to happen for the family. And after the bathroom addition is set up, then you need to have your septic tank in your leach line in order for them to use your restroom. A lot of families still have the outhouses that's made out out of wood, and it's placed, you know, several feet away from the house, which makes it really impossible for maybe a grandma that's in a wheelchair, especially during the wintertime. So how do we take care of those individuals? How can we provide grandma with something better than what she has right now? And how do we do that? And the best thing to do is train our own people that work on the ground to get this done. And the biggest thing out of this whole project that we're doing is collaboration between a lot of the different departments that we have to work with under the Navajo Nation and also the counties that are around us. So those are some things that we had to put into place. It took a while to get where we're at right now, but I think we're making some progress slowly but surely. How
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Would you describe where you're at right now in terms of how much of the community is being served?
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So Dig Deep works in three different areas. Two on the Arizona side and one in New Mexico. We're gonna continue to expand because there's a lot more communities that surround the Navajo Nation. So we're located in , um, Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah. We're still moving forward. There's a lot more work to do. There's a lot more people that we have to, to help.
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Are there any other projects or initiatives you're working on to increase water access for native communities?
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There's a lot of different things that comes with what we do on the Navajo Nation, and one of the biggest thing that we lack is home site leasing. That is one acre that's given by the Navajo Nation to families where they can , uh, build a home and try to bring all the infrastructures that we all have to some of those places. But that's a tedious process. So we've learned how to go through those processes and how to help these individuals with a piece of paper that's needed for waterline and also for , um, power lines. If we don't have those, we're just kind of like bypassed. We have to wait till that comes into play. So that's something that Dig Deep is really helping with. And the cost of that between the two, I would say, is about maybe a thousand dollars. Again, a lot of people are on fixed incomes and they can't afford that, so they just continue to live the way they live. So that is a really big project that we're doing, and that's one of my biggest stories, you know, that, that I think needs to happen, that we have to have that piece of paper for people to get their infrastructure .
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Cindy , I'd love to know about the thing that you are most excited about. Uh, the thing that would really be a breakthrough in terms of allowing the amazing work that's happening to be able to get to a bigger scale.
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I think for me, what I always tell everybody is that I would love to see every person hooked up to a water line having a flushable toilet toilet, and every time somebody gets hooked up, that's one more person off of our mister that's gonna have running water. It's a grandma, grandpa, or it could be a single mom that finally has water. So that's my biggest thrill of the work that I do here. I really want to see everybody hooked up to the main waterline
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And what more is needed for that to happen.
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There's a lot more that has to happen, and because the work that we're doing, we also had to increase our staff as well. We started off with maybe three or four people couldn't dig deep first started on in, in New Mexico. Now for New Mexico crew, we have a , a huge crew, which is like 14 individuals, and they're out there every single day, you know, either putting in the home water system or maybe delivering water or helping somebody fill out a home sign lease application. Or it could be just somebody that needs, you know, some, some kind of help. I believe we have about 35 to 40 people on the Navajo Water Project right now. And for the two sites in Arizona, we have two sites there. As the director of the Navajo Water Project, I have been going into the Arizona sites and I see the vast amount of land there. It takes me four hours to get to one location. And so between where I'm from and where I'm going, I see a lot of homes that still don't have bloody water. So there's a lot of work that needs to happen still.
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One of the things I'm learning about this project is that it's indigenous led . What's the significance of that?
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We know our own people. We know how we live. We know the conditions of our homes inside and outside. So we're very familiar with all that. And so it's really important for us to be Native Americans on this team to help our people. And I, I always hear a lot of young people, I wanna go off to school, I wanna go to college, and I wanna come back and help my own people, is what I hear during chapter meetings as well.
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Can you give me a couple of stories about what it meant for families to be able to have a waterline? What changed for them? The reactions of a grandmother or children, or a whole family?
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We have some new young people that came onto our group that did not realize that there was actually people that still don't have running water, that don't have a toilet or a bathtub to take a bath in . And so when they put in a home water system, I think a couple times I had a couple guys that became very emotional
because it was a grandma that didn't have anything, but yet she took the time to make them a little sandwich because they actually put a home water system. We've done quite a bit of those. I love to see when somebody turns on their faucet for the first time, especially to see a, a child turning on the faucet and saying, Hey, we have water. You know , families are, they're so happy because now their kiddos can take a bath. They don't have to haul water. They can take a shower every day if need be.
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Many of the people who will hear this podcast will be surprised by what you've said in terms of the effort that people have to take to be able to do the thing that so many people do without even giving it a second thought. As you think about educating people and energizing people to join with you in saying, we have to do something about this, do you think of yourself as being hopeful that the vision that you have, that everybody is hooked up will happen one day
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Day ? Yes. So as Navajo people, you know, we're very persistent people and we want to make sure, even though I live without something, I'm gonna try to do my best to keep my family going, whether it be with or without water. And it's a challenge. But we welcome challenge. We're here, we're gonna always be here no matter what.
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Cindy , thank you for talking with us. You're welcome. Cindy , how is the director of the Navajo Water Project at Dig Deep? The Navajo Water Project is powered by four elements, wells that provide new water sources where water is pumped, treated, and stored transportation that delivers water and food grade trucks to the families that need them. Off grid home water systems that provide families with hot and cold running water and solar power, all guided by the wisdom of the community. This project shows that through the development of indigenous led and community managed utility alternatives, the Navajo people are pushing back against the injustices. They continue to face their endurance and determination as they diligently work. To transform the lives of the most vulnerable in their communities is a reminder of how persistence powers our radical imaginations. Radical Imagination is a Policy Link podcast produced by Fitro Media. The Fitro Media team includes Marlon Bishop, Andreas Caballero , nor Saudi Stephanie Lebo , Julia Caruso, and Andy Bosnick, with help from Roxanna Agiri , Fernanda Santos, Juan Diego Ramirez, and Roxanne Scott. The PolicyLink team includes Glenda Johnson, Lauren Madden, virtual Ramos, Bernice Dunn, Perfecta Ox Home , Eugene Chan and Fran Smith. Our theme music was composed by Taaka Awa and Alex Ra . I'm your host, Angela Glover Blackwell. Join us again next time, and in the meantime, you can find us online at Radical Imagination Us . Remember to subscribe and share Next time on Radical Imagination, reimagining Education through Afrofuturism. What
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Do we need to have a successful society? How do we look at what we're doing now as opposed to what has happened before so that we can say this is going to allow us all to thrive?
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