Full Transcript for HomeView and Apple TV Reviews, Jensen Huang is Out as NVIDIA CEO

the unedited feed, 36 00:01:29,289 --> 00:01:32,001 which is why it's like probably gonna be two and a half hours long this 37 00:01:31,936 --> 00:01:32,277 Because 38 00:01:32,001 --> 00:01:32,296 week. 39 00:01:32,296 --> 00:01:36,893 f five minutes before nine we were still shucking and jiving or whatever and they 40 00:01:36,413 --> 00:01:36,893 Yes. 41 00:01:36,893 --> 00:01:37,893 fired him. 42 00:01:38,044 --> 00:01:41,825 Crazy, crazy. We're gonna get to the whole Jensen Wong saga. 43 00:01:41,825 --> 00:01:43,925 We'll do the Apple stuff first and then we'll talk about Jensen. 44 00:01:43,925 --> 00:01:49,157 But the news is that he is out at NVIDIA with no succession plan in place that 45 00:01:49,157 --> 00:01:51,507 I'm aware of. They're gonna be looking for a new CEO. 46 00:01:51,627 --> 00:01:54,228 There's rumors about that. We'll get into all of it. 47 00:01:54,568 --> 00:01:56,779 Before we get to the home view and Apple TV reviews, 48 00:01:56,779 --> 00:02:00,460 I do wanna say we had no five star reviews this week in Apple Podcasts, 49 00:02:00,460 --> 00:02:01,556 which is a person on the front. 50 00:02:01,736 --> 00:02:03,701 so please leave us a five-star rating review. 51 00:02:03,701 --> 00:02:04,701 That was just getting there, but 52 00:02:04,844 --> 00:02:07,646 We would love if you leave us a five-star rating review in Apple Podcasts. 53 00:02:07,646 --> 00:02:11,158 And if you can help us get to 5,000 subscribers on YouTube by the 54 00:02:11,158 --> 00:02:12,189 end of the year, we're almost there. 55 00:02:12,189 --> 00:02:14,110 We're at like 4,600, which is really cool. 56 00:02:14,741 --> 00:02:15,711 so you can subscribe to YouTube. 57 00:02:15,711 --> 00:02:17,352 But I wanted to pull some YouTube comments. 58 00:02:17,773 --> 00:02:22,586 I basically cherry-picked all the ones that tell me that I'm right in what phone 59 00:02:22,586 --> 00:02:24,297 you use your iPhone and what pocket you use it. 60 00:02:24,937 --> 00:02:26,868 except for the first one. Old Gaffer said he's right-handed, 61 00:02:26,868 --> 00:02:28,540 but he puts his phone in his left pocket. 62 00:02:28,940 --> 00:02:31,802 But Daniel, right hand, right pocket, 63 00:02:32,242 --> 00:02:33,643 and then future one sound. 64 00:02:34,059 --> 00:02:36,451 Charlie Marley and Rylan, all right hand, 65 00:02:36,451 --> 00:02:39,163 right pocket. So if you cherry pick the comments, 66 00:02:39,203 --> 00:02:42,506 I look very right in what hand you use your pocket your iPhone and what pocket 67 00:02:42,506 --> 00:02:43,847 you put it in. I just want to say that. 68 00:02:44,148 --> 00:02:47,330 And one follow-up on Siri recaps. 69 00:02:47,771 --> 00:02:51,914 There was a question on YouTube asking about if the processing is done 70 00:02:51,914 --> 00:02:57,669 on the iPhone, why do you need Apple Watch Ultra 4 or Series 12? 71 00:02:57,669 --> 00:03:00,582 Shouldn't an iPhone be able to do Siri recaps? 72 00:03:01,102 --> 00:03:02,102 And this is a question. 73 00:03:02,697 --> 00:03:04,668 I've heard several people ask Apple. 74 00:03:05,269 --> 00:03:11,894 And basically the answer is it's because the Apple Watch has to be on your 75 00:03:12,074 --> 00:03:18,599 physical body to be unlocked. And because it is unlocked whenever it is on your 76 00:03:18,599 --> 00:03:24,544 wrist, it is the ideal device to have Siri recaps on whenever you want 77 00:03:24,704 --> 00:03:28,937 or all the time. Whereas if your iPhone could just do Siri recaps. 78 00:03:29,823 --> 00:03:32,744 There could be an instance where you have Siri recaps running, 79 00:03:33,625 --> 00:03:36,526 but your iPhone is locked somewhere randomly, 80 00:03:36,886 --> 00:03:41,238 or nefariously, someone could put their iPhone in a boardroom and then get Siri 81 00:03:41,238 --> 00:03:45,030 recaps all day, supposedly, and then go in and grab their iPhone at the 82 00:03:45,030 --> 00:03:47,821 end of the day or whatever. So that's why it's the Apple Watch specifically. 83 00:03:47,821 --> 00:03:49,972 It's not a technical limitation, 84 00:03:49,992 --> 00:03:54,174 it is a philosophical limitation about what device is doing these recaps. 85 00:03:55,094 --> 00:03:57,055 Any thoughts on that, Jason? Are you still publishing your articles? 86 00:03:57,664 --> 00:04:00,996 no, my article's published. I we I think we're gonna are we gonna talk about well, 87 00:04:00,996 --> 00:04:02,356 first of all, you didn't ask me about the movie quote, 88 00:04:02,356 --> 00:04:05,157 that's fine. I was expecting 89 00:04:03,264 --> 00:04:04,702 movie quote, do you know you know what it is? 90 00:04:05,157 --> 00:04:08,469 something from up in the air. Would have been the 91 00:04:06,973 --> 00:04:08,211 Up in the air is great movie. 92 00:04:09,169 --> 00:04:11,770 canonical example of a movie about people getting fired. 93 00:04:11,979 --> 00:04:13,082 True. It's a great movie. 94 00:04:13,111 --> 00:04:16,792 But I do think I don't think George Clooney was in this movie. 95 00:04:17,108 --> 00:04:20,269 No, he was not. It is it is, 96 00:04:18,093 --> 00:04:24,566 Isn't it a Disney movie? The uh Emperor's New Groove or whatever they call that. 97 00:04:20,269 --> 00:04:25,309 yes. Animated. uh Exactly. 98 00:04:25,310 --> 00:04:27,110 It was uh Isma. 99 00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:27,758 Yeah. 100 00:04:27,671 --> 00:04:27,921 She 101 00:04:27,921 --> 00:04:29,359 was just think of it as you're being let go. 102 00:04:29,359 --> 00:04:30,731 Your life's going in a different direction. 103 00:04:30,751 --> 00:04:33,412 So anyway, uh that was the quote from today. 104 00:04:33,872 --> 00:04:35,873 Also, want to do one shout out. 105 00:04:36,233 --> 00:04:41,644 Andy uh listener and sent the he has an app now in the app store and wanted 106 00:04:41,644 --> 00:04:45,195 to give them a shout out. It is called the 107 00:04:45,691 --> 00:04:50,904 Service

station league table. It ranks the top 100 UK motorway service stations with 108 00:04:50,904 --> 00:04:53,135 a routefinder. It's got widget support. 109 00:04:53,295 --> 00:04:54,886 Built it with the help of Claude AI, 110 00:04:54,886 --> 00:04:57,668 which we're going to talk about uh later in the show and some things that I vibe 111 00:04:57,668 --> 00:04:59,699 coded. So thanks for sending that in. 112 00:04:59,699 --> 00:05:01,170 Andy has been a long time listener. 113 00:05:01,170 --> 00:05:03,161 And so I wanted to share uh that thing he made. 114 00:05:03,161 --> 00:05:05,222 Very fun. That app store link will be the show notes. 115 00:05:05,482 --> 00:05:09,605 And something I started vibe coding right as we hit record today, 116 00:05:09,625 --> 00:05:13,547 and it is already live. Just just throwing that out there. 117 00:05:14,141 --> 00:05:16,363 If you want to call in the show and leave us like a voicemail, 118 00:05:16,363 --> 00:05:20,636 you can now do that. And it's totally built into our website. 119 00:05:21,056 --> 00:05:22,797 You can go to primary tech dot fm, 120 00:05:23,318 --> 00:05:25,299 click call in, and a little form. 121 00:05:25,299 --> 00:05:28,751 And then you can start a recording and you can send a voice memo and we will 122 00:05:28,751 --> 00:05:32,731 get the file. And then yeah, maybe we can do some Q and A's with uh audio as we head 123 00:05:32,731 --> 00:05:34,505 into the holiday season and maybe, 124 00:05:34,806 --> 00:05:37,818 maybe tech news will slow down as we go to the holidays, 125 00:05:37,818 --> 00:05:41,701 but maybe not because Sam Altman was it last Thanksgiving or two Thanksgivings 126 00:05:41,701 --> 00:05:42,141 ago that he 127 00:05:41,758 --> 00:05:42,289 It was 128 00:05:42,289 --> 00:05:44,651 like th it was like twenty twenty four, 129 00:05:44,651 --> 00:05:47,624 twenty twenty three? Two or three years ago. 130 00:05:45,301 --> 00:05:46,602 So two years ago. It was two years ago, 131 00:05:46,602 --> 00:05:48,974 I think. He got he got fired over Thanksgiving week. 132 00:05:47,624 --> 00:05:48,805 It might have been twenty twenty three, 133 00:05:48,805 --> 00:05:49,216 but yeah. 134 00:05:48,974 --> 00:05:49,955 Yeah. 135 00:05:49,955 --> 00:05:54,689 And interesting, why is it around this time that we got big CEOs just causing 136 00:05:54,689 --> 00:05:57,641 issues? You know what mean? Something about the holidays? 137 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,924 I don't think the two things are in this case. 138 00:05:58,462 --> 00:05:59,963 No, they're not related. Not related at all. 139 00:06:00,064 --> 00:06:03,098 This just happened. Sure. 140 00:06:00,183 --> 00:06:02,665 Although very related in the AI NVIDIA sense, 141 00:06:02,665 --> 00:06:04,807 but sure, not really related. 142 00:06:03,098 --> 00:06:04,860 Well, 143 00:06:04,860 --> 00:06:06,012 I mean, actually they are related. 144 00:06:06,012 --> 00:06:07,373 The board lost confidence in one, 145 00:06:08,074 --> 00:06:09,546 the board lost confidence in the other. 146 00:06:09,931 --> 00:06:14,104 Just boom. That's it. Okay, let's get to a couple of the quick follow-ups. 147 00:06:14,104 --> 00:06:15,936 We mentioned Siri recaps in the reviews. 148 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:18,778 You have not had a good experience with Siri recaps. 149 00:06:19,478 --> 00:06:22,881 I had had mixed experience. I still have it on all the time. 150 00:06:22,881 --> 00:06:23,881 I still think it's interesting. 151 00:06:23,962 --> 00:06:25,773 I just wanted to share one Siri recap with you, 152 00:06:25,773 --> 00:06:29,766 Jason, because this is supposedly a 10-minute recap. 153 00:06:30,327 --> 00:06:34,149 But the entire recap is Thanksgiving Beverage Shopping. 154 00:06:34,890 --> 00:06:36,031 And it's a reminder. 155 00:06:36,327 --> 00:06:39,651 set for November twenty third to get sparkling water and grape juice three days 156 00:06:39,651 --> 00:06:44,335 before Thanksgiving. That was a reminder that I just was trying to tell the voice 157 00:06:44,335 --> 00:06:46,458 assistant to set the reminder. 158 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:51,564 And somehow Siri recaps thought I needed a whole summary of that reminder 159 00:06:51,665 --> 00:06:53,987 in my phone. So I got a Siri recap of that I saved it. 160 00:06:54,768 --> 00:06:57,351 But you've had not not had a good experience with Siri Recap. 161 00:06:56,626 --> 00:06:57,466 It's not very 162 00:06:57,466 --> 00:07:00,798 smart, Steven. Like I have one that says 163 00:07:00,170 --> 00:07:00,798 Sure. 164 00:07:00,798 --> 00:07:03,039 math competitions and retirement benefits. 165 00:07:03,619 --> 00:07:05,936 Do those two things seem related to you? 166 00:07:05,882 --> 00:07:08,826 I mean retirement. You gotta do math for retirement benefits, 167 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,621 They're they're not. Cheer team 168 00:07:08,826 --> 00:07:09,621 maybe? 169 00:07:09,621 --> 00:07:13,593 and job plans. Uh Buick 170 00:07:11,305 --> 00:07:13,215 Well sure. 171 00:07:13,593 --> 00:07:15,864 repair and in and concert tickets. 172 00:07:15,935 --> 00:07:19,176 But d do the bullet points that it gives you actually have pertinent information? 173 00:07:19,660 --> 00:07:22,252 Hang on, let me check. W well, 174 00:07:21,385 --> 00:07:23,343 While you check, we're gonna talk about this in a second. 175 00:07:22,252 --> 00:07:23,252 I mean 176 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:29,246 I mean, here's the thing. Sometime sometimes it looked like you're holding 177 00:07:29,246 --> 00:07:31,247 up E. T. right there. That's what that just looked like. 178 00:07:31,017 --> 00:07:32,125 I was holding up the home view for 179 00:07:32,125 --> 00:07:34,109 our audio listeners. We're gonna be talking about this shortly, 180 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:34,410 thing is 181 00:07:34,109 --> 00:07:34,410 don't worry. 182 00:07:34,410 --> 00:07:39,445 very, very small. Um it the bullet

points are are I don't think that they're 183 00:07:39,525 --> 00:07:43,058 inaccurate. They are wholly insufficient to be helpful. 184 00:07:44,093 --> 00:07:49,496 If you're used to transcripts and like services like granola or otter, 185 00:07:48,373 --> 00:07:49,373 Otter. 186 00:07:49,496 --> 00:07:52,463 like yeah, it is not that. But how about 187 00:07:51,614 --> 00:07:52,485 I don't so that makes 188 00:07:52,485 --> 00:07:54,386 me wonder what on earth is the point? 189 00:07:54,646 --> 00:07:58,449 No one could depend on these to recap meetings that they were in because it does 190 00:07:58,449 --> 00:08:03,603 seem like each category of thing that gets talked about is limited to four bullet 191 00:08:03,603 --> 00:08:06,345 points and it's like it doesn't 192 00:08:05,375 --> 00:08:06,345 It does seem like that. 193 00:08:06,345 --> 00:08:07,295 seem useful. 194 00:08:07,295 --> 00:08:09,745 Yeah. All right. Well, we'll follow up because it's still in beta. 195 00:08:09,745 --> 00:08:11,456 It's still in beta. We're still in beta one. 196 00:08:11,576 --> 00:08:13,097 We'll see once it gets out there for everybody. 197 00:08:13,257 --> 00:08:15,978 And one other follow-up before we get to the big review is Apple TV four 198 00:08:15,978 --> 00:08:21,949 K and the home view. Uh MKBHD did his full review video of the touch screen MacBook 199 00:08:21,949 --> 00:08:25,300 Pro with ProLid. He's very positive on it, 200 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,781 loves the laptop. The long and short of it is it's a great, 201 00:08:30,141 --> 00:08:33,712 incredible screen. It's fast and it has a touch screen, 202 00:08:33,712 --> 00:08:34,792 but he doesn't really touch it very much. 203 00:08:35,346 --> 00:08:39,439 because that's not how he uses computers and I think how probably most people would 204 00:08:39,439 --> 00:08:41,851 use a computer. But it's a great machine. 205 00:08:42,112 --> 00:08:47,176 And that's the bottom line. And I've been using mine just to kind of keep testing 206 00:08:47,176 --> 00:08:50,899 it. I don't know if I'll do a full review because I'm like I'm not doing benchmarks. 207 00:08:50,899 --> 00:08:51,979 I'm not doing all that kind of stuff. 208 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:57,234 But it's a beautiful display. And you had a whole article saying you were w what 209 00:08:57,234 --> 00:08:59,186 was it? You were wrong about? No, 210 00:08:57,504 --> 00:08:59,376 Yeah, I changed my mind. I didn't say I was wrong. 211 00:08:59,186 --> 00:08:59,996 I didn't say you were wrong. 212 00:08:59,376 --> 00:09:00,016 I said I changed my 213 00:09:00,016 --> 00:09:04,400 mind. I said the text I think that the touch screen is a very Apple feature. 214 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:09,874 And the reason is Apple, the thing Apple has always done best is especially with 215 00:09:09,874 --> 00:09:11,655 a Mac, but also with an iPhone, 216 00:09:11,676 --> 00:09:13,686 that if you think a thing should work, 217 00:09:13,686 --> 00:09:17,840 it probably does. Right? If you think you should be able to do a thing, 218 00:09:18,241 --> 00:09:22,224 drag an icon on your desktop onto an app and have it open in that app. 219 00:09:22,358 --> 00:09:24,399 For example, that's like just an a good example. 220 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:29,092 Or drag an icon across the edge of your screen to another screen of a device. 221 00:09:29,092 --> 00:09:30,993 Like you're like, I wonder if this will work. 222 00:09:31,053 --> 00:09:33,314 Most of the time, it just does. 223 00:09:34,435 --> 00:09:38,998 And we have a whole generation of people who are used to using touch. 224 00:09:39,238 --> 00:09:41,899 And now, if you're like, I should be able to just swipe, 225 00:09:41,980 --> 00:09:46,692 it works. And it works the way there are some limitations to the way that they 226 00:09:46,692 --> 00:09:49,444 did it because it just translates touch into clicks. 227 00:09:50,048 --> 00:09:51,649 So it's not perfect in every way. 228 00:09:51,649 --> 00:09:53,720 We'd already talked about like YouTube on Safari, 229 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,631 that kind of thing. But the reason I actually thought this is very smart. 230 00:09:57,871 --> 00:09:59,192 I don't think anyone should use it. 231 00:09:59,292 --> 00:10:00,812 I'm gonna almost never use it. 232 00:10:00,812 --> 00:10:03,894 But the fact that it just does what you would think would happen if you reach 233 00:10:03,894 --> 00:10:07,075 up to touch your display, I think is a very Apple feature. 234 00:10:07,315 --> 00:10:08,986 And I think it's good that they did that. 235 00:10:08,986 --> 00:10:13,518 I think it'll probably come to I don't think it'll come to like the studio 236 00:10:13,518 --> 00:10:16,389 displays. That seems weird. Like but I think it'll 237 00:10:15,334 --> 00:10:16,334 No, I don't think so. 238 00:10:16,389 --> 00:10:19,200 come to the MacBook Air, probably not the MacBook Neo. 239 00:10:19,768 --> 00:10:22,161 But I bet you within like three years it'll be on everything. 240 00:10:22,161 --> 00:10:24,784 Because it's just like that's what you expect from Apple. 241 00:10:24,784 --> 00:10:26,516 I should if I do this, will this work? 242 00:10:26,516 --> 00:10:29,770 And you reaching up and touching your screen is one of those things that never 243 00:10:29,770 --> 00:10:31,012 worked. And 244 00:10:30,793 --> 00:10:31,163 Right. 245 00:10:31,012 --> 00:10:31,262 now it 246 00:10:31,262 --> 00:10:32,262 just does. 247 00:10:32,324 --> 00:10:38,787 And MKBHD's thesis was like M chips have been so good for so long that it's almost 248 00:10:39,447 --> 00:10:44,000 b like Apple MacBook Pro upgrades are a little boring because it's just like it's 249 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,832 a little faster, but they've been really fast for years because series chips 250 00:10:47,832 --> 00:10:50,153 are great. And so this was also a way to be like, 251 00:10:50,533 --> 00:10:53,004

here's something new. It's not so much about the chip, 252 00:10:53,004 --> 00:10:57,076 it's literally the same chip that was in the MacBook the chips it's 253 00:10:54,261 --> 00:10:56,738 Yeah. Chips are not faster. Spoiler alert. 254 00:10:57,076 --> 00:11:00,038 the exact same chips, but it's an OLED screen and you can touch it. 255 00:11:00,243 --> 00:11:01,484 And it's got a dynamic island. 256 00:11:01,905 --> 00:11:05,548 Eh, you like that? So sure. My and it works. 257 00:11:05,668 --> 00:11:09,731 A lot of people he mentioned the rounded corners in a positive light. 258 00:11:10,172 --> 00:11:12,013 On the display of the OLED MacBook Pro, 259 00:11:12,434 --> 00:11:17,188 all four corners are now rounded where previously the bottom corners were squared 260 00:11:17,188 --> 00:11:20,381 off. John Syracusa is not happy about this. 261 00:11:20,981 --> 00:11:26,566 He feels like you are losing pixels uh because they've rounded the bottom left 262 00:11:26,566 --> 00:11:27,566 and right corners. 263 00:11:27,849 --> 00:11:29,266 You were also pretty negative on it. 264 00:11:29,266 --> 00:11:30,844 Has your opinion changed or you feel like it's 265 00:11:30,737 --> 00:11:30,977 I 266 00:11:30,977 --> 00:11:32,859 I don't like it, but I never notice it. 267 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:35,311 Is that a fair thing to say? Like I think if if I 268 00:11:34,484 --> 00:11:35,311 I think so, yeah. 269 00:11:35,311 --> 00:11:37,063 look at it I'm like that is dumb. 270 00:11:37,604 --> 00:11:39,325 But also I think it's dumb on the top, 271 00:11:39,325 --> 00:11:42,648 to be honest. Like it doesn't make any sense that they're rounded because this 272 00:11:42,648 --> 00:11:43,709 studio display they're not. 273 00:11:44,739 --> 00:11:48,352 Right. And to MG MKBHD's point was, 274 00:11:48,352 --> 00:11:50,363 well, at least now it's symmetrical. 275 00:11:50,823 --> 00:11:54,156 Like because the last couple of years MacBook Pro has been rounded 276 00:11:54,156 --> 00:11:58,469 on the top and I think the MacBook Air two has been rounded on the top but square 277 00:11:58,469 --> 00:12:01,471 on the bottom, which was unsymmetrical. 278 00:11:59,403 --> 00:12:01,556 Right. Which 279 00:12:01,556 --> 00:12:03,999 is what the iPhone Duo does. But it's sideways. 280 00:12:05,181 --> 00:12:08,105 R no, right? Like it's rounded on one side and square on the other side. 281 00:12:05,459 --> 00:12:08,199 But that's exactly right. Yeah, 282 00:12:08,199 --> 00:12:13,231 that's exactly right. And so if you like he has them side by side here, 283 00:12:13,231 --> 00:12:16,882 the you know, MacBook Pro without a touch screen and the one with a touch screen. 284 00:12:17,302 --> 00:12:20,503 If you look at the like where the screen lands, 285 00:12:21,023 --> 00:12:25,324 you do get a few more rows of pixels, 286 00:12:25,404 --> 00:12:29,425 you know what I mean? Like it goes farther down towards the hinge as opposed 287 00:12:29,425 --> 00:12:35,126 to having more bezel there. So maybe you get more compared to it. 288 00:12:35,378 --> 00:12:37,139 I can't I don't know. It's it's fine. 289 00:12:37,339 --> 00:12:40,351 I think it's fine. Some symmet s symmetry. 290 00:12:40,351 --> 00:12:43,704 I couldn't think of the I couldn't think of the noun version of symmetrical. 291 00:12:44,384 --> 00:12:47,556 All right. Two big reviews. Apple TV 4K and HomeView. 292 00:12:47,556 --> 00:12:48,727 I think HomeView is gonna take longer, 293 00:12:48,727 --> 00:12:50,548 so let's hit the Apple TV. Okay. 294 00:12:51,169 --> 00:12:54,451 I did my review. I've had it for over a week. 295 00:12:55,412 --> 00:13:00,505 And the Apple TV four K is a complicated review because some of the best features 296 00:13:00,505 --> 00:13:04,198 are available on on the last two generations of Apple TV also. 297 00:13:04,934 --> 00:13:09,158 So you can get Siri AI on the second and third gen Apple TV 4K, 298 00:13:09,578 --> 00:13:14,803 and you can buy the Siri remote that has the built in FineMai and makes a sound. 299 00:13:15,323 --> 00:13:17,545 That remote is $60, you could just buy it. 300 00:13:17,885 --> 00:13:20,548 The two new features, three ish. 301 00:13:20,548 --> 00:13:22,820 If you count the new faster chip as a feature, 302 00:13:22,820 --> 00:13:24,731 maybe, but I don't really experience a difference. 303 00:13:25,312 --> 00:13:27,874 You can set up four home pods and a surround sound setup. 304 00:13:28,094 --> 00:13:30,236 That is only the new Apple TV model, 305 00:13:30,757 --> 00:13:32,368 and the built in microphone. 306 00:13:33,118 --> 00:13:33,288 That's 307 00:13:33,288 --> 00:13:38,199 really the only two hardware differentiators and the chip, 308 00:13:38,199 --> 00:13:41,280 faster chip, with the new Apple TV versus the old. 309 00:13:41,340 --> 00:13:43,041 And so the only two things you'd have to think: 310 00:13:43,101 --> 00:13:45,461 is that important enough to me to want to upgrade? 311 00:13:45,641 --> 00:13:50,343 Because if you just want a remote that has FineMai and you just want the Siri AI, 312 00:13:50,463 --> 00:13:54,644 you can get that on your last generation Apple TV or even the second generation. 313 00:13:55,464 --> 00:14:01,826 So that's what's new. I have a couple notes about the actual new features. 314 00:14:01,826 --> 00:14:02,826 The remote. 315 00:14:03,999 --> 00:14:06,960 The Find My Remote, you get the, 316 00:14:07,060 --> 00:14:11,582 it's in the Find My App now, as are your last Apple TV remotes. 317 00:14:12,203 --> 00:14:15,004 So those will actually appear in the Find My App as well. 318 00:14:15,784 --> 00:14:19,566 You don't get the arrow on screen like you do with an air tag. 319 00:14:19,866 --> 00:14:21,746 You only get this little green, 320 00:14:21,747 --> 00:14:25,288 the green screen with the circle telling you how many feet away the remote is, 321 00:14:25,528 --> 00:14:28,689

but you don't get the arrow pointing at the remote. 322 00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:30,740 And I thought we were getting that, 323 00:14:30,740 --> 00:14:32,391 and I was a little disappointed by that. 324 00:14:33,496 --> 00:14:34,863 Is that important to you or do you not really care? 325 00:14:36,043 --> 00:14:37,794 I mean none of the old ones have any of this. 326 00:14:38,631 --> 00:14:41,742 I know, but I thought like the new one having the new stuff, 327 00:14:41,742 --> 00:14:45,115 it would have the arrow on screen that would like go there. 328 00:14:45,579 --> 00:14:47,544 I'm gonna save my Apple T V thoughts until you're done. 329 00:14:47,544 --> 00:14:49,802 I'm gonna let you finish. 330 00:14:49,299 --> 00:14:50,639 Okay. Uh 331 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,721 all right. Uh I want just to show you as an example, 332 00:14:54,182 --> 00:14:57,382 what how is this different from the old Apple TV remote? 333 00:14:57,884 --> 00:15:01,796 I have actually like pulled up right here the old Apple TV remote, 334 00:15:01,796 --> 00:15:05,388 which was is now in the Find My app and you can do find, 335 00:15:05,748 --> 00:15:09,970 but it doesn't have the green screen that tells you like how many feet away it is. 336 00:15:09,970 --> 00:15:11,851 It will tell you like it's nearby, 337 00:15:12,452 --> 00:15:14,373 but you can't have it make a sound or anything like that. 338 00:15:14,373 --> 00:15:18,015 So that's the difference. You get the how many feet away the remote is 339 00:15:18,015 --> 00:15:18,889 and you can have it 340 00:15:18,889 --> 00:15:22,628 You can have it make a sound, which is the one feature that you have said in the past 341 00:15:22,628 --> 00:15:23,711 is like the only thing that matters. 342 00:15:23,285 --> 00:15:23,932 Yeah. 343 00:15:23,932 --> 00:15:25,295 And I agree. You can ping the remote. 344 00:15:25,467 --> 00:15:28,601 Also, nearby is the least helpful thing that screen could say. 345 00:15:28,601 --> 00:15:29,692 'Cause I'm in I'm in my 346 00:15:28,988 --> 00:15:29,692 I I know. 347 00:15:29,692 --> 00:15:31,694 house. I know the remote is nearby. 348 00:15:31,694 --> 00:15:33,296 I didn't take it out of the house. 349 00:15:32,008 --> 00:15:34,539 I know. uh 350 00:15:33,296 --> 00:15:34,437 Why are you telling me? 351 00:15:34,539 --> 00:15:37,470 I know. Well, and that's why it's a little more useful on the new remote, 352 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:39,800 because it tells you how many feet away it is. 353 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:41,996 Which couch cushion is it in? Thank you. 354 00:15:41,721 --> 00:15:42,071 Which 355 00:15:42,071 --> 00:15:44,322 cat yes, exactly. And then you can have it ping, 356 00:15:44,402 --> 00:15:46,643 which is the most useful part of the new remote. 357 00:15:46,883 --> 00:15:47,903 So you can buy the new remote, 358 00:15:47,903 --> 00:15:49,784 that's 60 bucks. That's there. 359 00:15:50,664 --> 00:15:54,795 It's nice to have the built-in microphone on the Apple TV if you don't have other 360 00:15:54,795 --> 00:15:58,556 home pods in the room, because then you can just tell the Apple TV, 361 00:15:58,556 --> 00:15:59,887 hey Dingus, where's the remote? 362 00:15:59,887 --> 00:16:00,887 And it will ping the remote. 363 00:16:01,289 --> 00:16:04,159 And it works pretty well. And Siri AI, 364 00:16:04,722 --> 00:16:08,625 which we just talk about now, like it's interesting on the Apple TV. 365 00:16:09,284 --> 00:16:12,888 You can ping the remote. You can ask it for movie suggestions. 366 00:16:13,108 --> 00:16:16,070 You can ask it for where was this movie filmed? 367 00:16:16,651 --> 00:16:21,515 And it does that pretty well. You can ask about actors and actress information. 368 00:16:21,855 --> 00:16:25,738 You can say, recommend some movies or what are some trending TV shows. 369 00:16:26,058 --> 00:16:28,720 You can ask, what was that Apple TV show with Harrison Ford? 370 00:16:29,001 --> 00:16:30,842 And it all the Siri, it does all of that. 371 00:16:31,408 --> 00:16:31,608 And 372 00:16:31,608 --> 00:16:36,040 you can turn on personal content and it can look into your text messages. 373 00:16:36,660 --> 00:16:39,360 So I texted myself Dark Matter, 374 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:40,752 which we talked about in the pre-show, 375 00:16:40,752 --> 00:16:44,293 uh, because I wanted to. You know, 376 00:16:44,293 --> 00:16:46,474 it's a good show. That's all I was wanted to say. 377 00:16:45,202 --> 00:16:46,267 He's trying to get me to watch it. 378 00:16:46,267 --> 00:16:47,108 He's bullying me. 379 00:16:46,474 --> 00:16:47,124 I'm trying to get you to watch 380 00:16:47,124 --> 00:16:48,225 Dark Matter. That's that's the thing. 381 00:16:48,665 --> 00:16:51,346 But you can turn on personal content in the settings, 382 00:16:51,726 --> 00:16:54,332 and then like I asked it, what was the TV show? 383 00:16:54,332 --> 00:16:56,808 I texted myself. And it will show you, 384 00:16:57,469 --> 00:16:58,929 it'll tell you what TV show it is. 385 00:16:59,490 --> 00:17:00,550 Now, unfortunately. 386 00:17:00,968 --> 00:17:05,943 You can't click it. So it told like a little Siri bubble pops up 387 00:17:05,943 --> 00:17:08,806 in the top right corner and it'll say, 388 00:17:09,206 --> 00:17:14,111 You recommended dark matter. But it won't let me actually click and go to the show, 389 00:17:14,151 --> 00:17:17,695 which is kind of weird. So I feel like they should change that. 390 00:17:18,395 --> 00:17:21,639 They should let you actually click to the show if someone texted you a show like 391 00:17:21,639 --> 00:17:25,022 the for you area. But anyway, it's fine. 392 00:17:25,832 --> 00:17:30,544 I compared it to Gemini on the Google Streamer box because I tested that earlier 393 00:17:30,544 --> 00:17:34,215 this year. And the Gemini on the Seerbox look better. 394 00:17:34,215 --> 00:17:35,956 Like if you ask it for a general knowledge question, 395

00:17:35,956 --> 00:17:37,227 like tell me about black holes, 396 00:17:37,887 --> 00:17:40,488 the Gemini on a s on Google TV, 397 00:17:40,848 --> 00:17:44,430 you'll get the explanation and you'll get YouTube videos right underneath. 398 00:17:44,790 --> 00:17:47,471 And because it's all Google, YouTube and Gemini, 399 00:17:47,871 --> 00:17:49,852 it's just a clearer integration. 400 00:17:50,312 --> 00:17:54,644 You can ask Apple TV, show me videos on YouTube about black holes. 401 00:17:55,124 --> 00:17:58,967 And it will open the YouTube app with the search already run and it'll show 402 00:17:58,967 --> 00:18:03,642 you those videos, but it doesn't have those that cohesive like here's one splash 403 00:18:03,642 --> 00:18:06,584 page with the explanation and the videos linked. 404 00:18:07,025 --> 00:18:10,768 So that's a you know an advantage that the Gemini streamer has. 405 00:18:11,809 --> 00:18:14,071 Any questions so far before I talk about home pods around sound? 406 00:18:14,774 --> 00:18:19,075 Okay, thank you. Uh the other feature that is locked, 407 00:18:19,075 --> 00:18:21,397 so the built-in microphone is only on the new hardware, 408 00:18:21,397 --> 00:18:22,397 obviously. 409 00:18:22,603 --> 00:18:25,404 The other big feature is home pod surround. 410 00:18:26,524 --> 00:18:28,425 Now, this is something people have wanted to do for a long time. 411 00:18:28,605 --> 00:18:30,005 They have a bunch of home pods in their house, 412 00:18:30,125 --> 00:18:33,366 or maybe they just prefer the home pods and the simplicity of the Apple ecosystem. 413 00:18:33,366 --> 00:18:38,847 They want to set up a surround sound system with home pods. 414 00:18:38,847 --> 00:18:43,789 A, the surround sound setup on the new Apple TV is one of the coolest experiences 415 00:18:44,089 --> 00:18:46,469 you can have, like on that the thing. 416 00:18:47,010 --> 00:18:48,680 So the sound glow feature, which 417 00:18:48,884 --> 00:18:50,245 Didn't make a whole lot of sense. 418 00:18:50,245 --> 00:18:53,767 I mean it looked cool, but it makes a ton of sense when you're setting 419 00:18:53,767 --> 00:18:55,638 up the surround sound on the Apple TV. 420 00:18:56,019 --> 00:19:00,061 Because when it asks for what speaker is placed where, 421 00:19:00,822 --> 00:19:03,023 well, one, it identifies it pretty much automatically. 422 00:19:03,044 --> 00:19:05,875 So it goes through this setup screen where it will like play sounds through the home 423 00:19:05,875 --> 00:19:08,827 pods and it gets a pretty good idea of where each home pod is. 424 00:19:09,048 --> 00:19:10,749 So you don't really have to do a lot of tweaking. 425 00:19:11,129 --> 00:19:16,973 But once you do that, it will show you on screen four colors and it will 426 00:19:16,973 --> 00:19:18,524 ask you to confirm the placement. 427 00:19:19,068 --> 00:19:19,228 And 428 00:19:19,228 --> 00:19:23,139 when you swipe on the remote to the different color circles on the screen, 429 00:19:23,439 --> 00:19:27,500 the home pod makes a sound and glows that specific color. 430 00:19:28,101 --> 00:19:30,601 So you can say it, is this the front left home pod? 431 00:19:30,881 --> 00:19:32,302 And you can scroll through the colors, 432 00:19:32,302 --> 00:19:35,023 wait till that home pod lights up and makes the sound, 433 00:19:35,343 --> 00:19:37,203 and then you can confirm that that's the home pod. 434 00:19:37,864 --> 00:19:42,405 Very, very cool feature. Great way to distinguish which speaker is which. 435 00:19:42,405 --> 00:19:45,106 So it's to both visual and audible. 436 00:19:45,486 --> 00:19:46,486 That was really cool. 437 00:19:46,962 --> 00:19:49,244 And then once you confirm the placement, 438 00:19:49,744 --> 00:19:54,899 it goes through this super fun setup animation where it plays a bunch 439 00:19:54,899 --> 00:19:59,232 of immersive sounds and it ends with the Mac startup chime. 440 00:19:59,308 --> 00:20:00,033 Mm. 441 00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:02,855 Kudos to whoever it is at Apple that said, 442 00:20:02,855 --> 00:20:04,877 hey, we need to put this in this in the surround sound setup. 443 00:20:05,197 --> 00:20:06,878 It's a great that's that was great. 444 00:20:07,579 --> 00:20:12,863 Now, a couple of data points. You can only have a maximum of four home pods 445 00:20:12,903 --> 00:20:15,976 in a surround setup. You cannot. 446 00:20:16,363 --> 00:20:18,924 Put a fifth in the middle for a center channel. 447 00:20:19,184 --> 00:20:24,045 Doesn't work that way. You have to choose four large second gen home pods, 448 00:20:24,445 --> 00:20:26,946 four home pod mini twos, the new one, 449 00:20:27,386 --> 00:20:28,986 or a combination of two and two. 450 00:20:29,066 --> 00:20:30,547 Two large home pods in the front, 451 00:20:30,687 --> 00:20:32,127 two home pod minis in the back. 452 00:20:32,247 --> 00:20:34,028 And I tested all those configurations. 453 00:20:34,968 --> 00:20:38,029 So y now when you start playing a movie, 454 00:20:38,589 --> 00:20:42,650 you can go up to control center and add additional speakers. 455 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,152 Just to have the audio play through those speakers. 456 00:20:46,392 --> 00:20:50,015 So I go in the video and I'll link my video review for this in the home view. 457 00:20:50,175 --> 00:20:52,477 You can add other home pod minis that might be in the room, 458 00:20:53,418 --> 00:20:56,681 but it's not going to be tuned for surround sound. 459 00:20:57,021 --> 00:21:01,034 It's only going to be sending like the stereo signal to that home pod and just 460 00:21:01,034 --> 00:21:05,548 playing it out of that thing. So I would not try to just add more home pods 461 00:21:06,109 --> 00:21:10,202 for the heck of it. It's not going to be the surround sound tuning with 462 00:21:10,202 --> 00:21:11,613 the all the separate channels. 463 00:21:12,314 --> 00:21:13,314 And 464 00:21:13,406 --> 00:21:15,858

Yeah, so I would not do that unless you're just trying to be loud. 465 00:21:15,858 --> 00:21:20,511 And there's a setting too, once you set up a home pod surround thing, 466 00:21:20,871 --> 00:21:27,556 there's this new area in the control center that shows either whole room audio 467 00:21:27,576 --> 00:21:31,999 or surround sound setup. So if you were doing something like playing music 468 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,542 in the room, let's say this is in your big living room and you have a party, 469 00:21:35,982 --> 00:21:38,344 and you don't want surround sound specifically, 470 00:21:38,344 --> 00:21:41,106 you just want music playing out of all the home pods. 471 00:21:41,544 --> 00:21:43,295 And not be tuned any specific way. 472 00:21:43,575 --> 00:21:47,698 You can change the speaker arrangement to whole room audio, 473 00:21:47,979 --> 00:21:52,181 and then it will treat the four home pods in the surround group as just individual 474 00:21:52,181 --> 00:21:54,783 home pods again without you having to unpair them and everything. 475 00:21:55,264 --> 00:21:57,725 And then you can add other home pods via airplay, 476 00:21:57,925 --> 00:22:02,428 and it's more of like party music style versus the surround sound tuning. 477 00:22:02,469 --> 00:22:04,050 So you actually get that control. 478 00:22:04,330 --> 00:22:07,952 You can also adjust the surround level for the rear home pods. 479 00:22:08,153 --> 00:22:09,543 So in that same control center menu, 480 00:22:09,543 --> 00:22:10,543 you can turn up. 481 00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:14,984 The rear home pods, if you like a little more surround effect behind you. 482 00:22:15,805 --> 00:22:17,406 So that's all the technical stuff. 483 00:22:18,127 --> 00:22:20,870 Bottom line, it sounds very good, 484 00:22:21,210 --> 00:22:23,573 especially if you use four large home pods. 485 00:22:24,374 --> 00:22:28,107 But a large home pod, do you know how much a large home pod is now, 486 00:22:28,107 --> 00:22:29,839 Jason? It actually went up in price and I forgot about it. 487 00:22:29,942 --> 00:22:30,942 Three forty nine? 488 00:22:31,871 --> 00:22:34,533 You nailed it. Yes. I thought it was 300. 489 00:22:34,853 --> 00:22:38,076 It is $350 since all the price increases over the summer. 490 00:22:38,656 --> 00:22:42,919 So if you want if you don't have any large home pods and you wanted to get four 491 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:49,464 for this kind of setup, you're looking at fourteen hundred dollars for four big home 492 00:22:49,464 --> 00:22:52,506 pods. And you can only do this with the newest Apple TV. 493 00:22:52,747 --> 00:22:57,430 So that's a $300 Apple TV. So that's a $1,700 setup. 494 00:22:59,253 --> 00:23:01,824 For just four big home pods and the new Apple TV. 495 00:23:03,104 --> 00:23:06,305 For the same price, if not cheaper, 496 00:23:06,985 --> 00:23:10,726 you can buy a Sonos Beam immersive set, 497 00:23:11,346 --> 00:23:16,688 which the Sonos Beam Ultra is like their latest beam, 498 00:23:16,688 --> 00:23:18,068 which is like their it's not the arc, 499 00:23:18,068 --> 00:23:19,368 which is like the top of the line, 500 00:23:19,709 --> 00:23:22,969 but it's it's really good. Just throwing that out there. 501 00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:28,671 And you can get that with a sub mini. 502 00:23:29,317 --> 00:23:32,308 And two Era 100s as rear speakers, 503 00:23:32,949 --> 00:23:36,430 all for $1,600. And I'll just tell you, 504 00:23:36,430 --> 00:23:41,312 that setup sounds much better than four home pods. 505 00:23:41,953 --> 00:23:45,514 Namely because of the lack of a subwoofer. 506 00:23:46,054 --> 00:23:50,236 The one thing I missed with the four home pod setup is the low end. 507 00:23:50,736 --> 00:23:55,858 And I have nice subwoofers. Like I have a big Clipsh subwoofer for my 7.1 setup. 508 00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:57,279 I have 509 00:23:57,501 --> 00:24:00,432 A Sonos subgen 3 in my big living room, 510 00:24:00,632 --> 00:24:02,532 and I have a sub-mini in my bedroom. 511 00:24:02,532 --> 00:24:04,333 Yes, it's overkill. I still do it. 512 00:24:05,013 --> 00:24:11,475 And it sounds really good. And you can get like the sub-mini is just gonna sound 513 00:24:11,475 --> 00:24:14,216 better. Any of the Sono subs, you're gonna get more low-end. 514 00:24:14,216 --> 00:24:15,993 Anytime I watched an action movie, 515 00:24:15,993 --> 00:24:18,237 you know, I did Interstellar, I did Infinity War, 516 00:24:18,237 --> 00:24:22,858 I did Dune Part 2. You just miss some of the low end and rumbliness without 517 00:24:22,858 --> 00:24:25,679 a subwoofer. And I don't think Apple's gonna make a subwoofer. 518 00:24:26,199 --> 00:24:27,199 So 519 00:24:27,380 --> 00:24:28,563 Again, if that's important to you, 520 00:24:28,563 --> 00:24:33,214 I think that's the that's the trade off of using the four home pod setup. 521 00:24:34,137 --> 00:24:35,137 Any thoughts there, Jason? 522 00:24:37,898 --> 00:24:40,720 I don't think anyone should buy an Apple TV unless you need an Apple TV. 523 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,993 Like I think I no, I'm like uh kudos 524 00:24:43,198 --> 00:24:44,113 Same. 525 00:24:44,113 --> 00:24:47,005 for giving our audience. Next time just tell them to watch your video because 526 00:24:47,005 --> 00:24:49,987 I think you managed to your video that video was short, 527 00:24:49,987 --> 00:24:53,560 right? Okay. We did eighteen minutes. 528 00:24:50,665 --> 00:24:52,776 It was fifteen minutes, so I said more in the video. 529 00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:56,032 No, no, I'm just kidding. No, sorry. 530 00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:56,998 I show it all in the video though. 531 00:24:56,032 --> 00:24:58,984 I'm just picking on Steven. But for real, 532 00:24:56,998 --> 00:24:59,483 I know, I know, I know. Yeah. 533 00:24:59,345 --> 00:24:59,495 I 534 00:24:59,495 --> 00:25:02,627 don't think anyone should ever think about the Apple T V four K unless you

just need 535 00:25:02,627 --> 00:25:03,708 an Apple TV. And then you 536 00:25:04,042 --> 00:25:07,304 Although now three hundred dollars is a lot to spend on an Apple TV four K. 537 00:25:07,304 --> 00:25:12,698 And so I just think I'm I'm glad that Steven thinks about all of this stuff 538 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,320 so that I can just tell people you can watch his video. 539 00:25:15,521 --> 00:25:16,751 But if you're not in the market, 540 00:25:16,751 --> 00:25:20,064 if you don't need an Apple T V and you have an Apple T V four K, 541 00:25:20,312 --> 00:25:22,806 I don't think that you said anything that's worth upgrading, 542 00:25:22,806 --> 00:25:26,458 especially because you'd have to buy a bunch of like we have a Sonos 543 00:25:26,458 --> 00:25:30,251 arc in a sub. Uh I don't know which generation it is, 544 00:25:30,251 --> 00:25:31,262 but it's like a year old. 545 00:25:31,946 --> 00:25:33,737 And it's amazing in our living room. 546 00:25:33,173 --> 00:25:34,194 Sounds great. Yeah. 547 00:25:33,737 --> 00:25:34,417 We had been 548 00:25:34,417 --> 00:25:38,859 using a pair of stereo original home pods and it was amazing. 549 00:25:39,340 --> 00:25:42,191 So buying a three hundred dollar we will not be buying a three hundred dollar Apple 550 00:25:42,191 --> 00:25:45,473 T V and four Gen two home pads. 551 00:25:45,473 --> 00:25:47,484 There's just no way. Like it's just not worth it. 552 00:25:46,451 --> 00:25:47,451 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 553 00:25:47,484 --> 00:25:47,992 So 554 00:25:47,992 --> 00:25:50,512 This is for the nerds like David Sparks, 555 00:25:51,012 --> 00:25:52,913 who already has two big home pods, 556 00:25:53,193 --> 00:25:54,714 and he already has a bunch of Apple TVs, 557 00:25:55,374 --> 00:25:59,055 and he's gonna upgrade one Apple TV and then you pass all down the line. 558 00:25:59,055 --> 00:26:01,076 So the oldest Apple TV falls off a cliff. 559 00:26:01,816 --> 00:26:03,796 And if you already have two big home pods, 560 00:26:04,237 --> 00:26:06,547 then you're talking about a seven hundred dollar investment, 561 00:26:06,547 --> 00:26:10,178 which is not cheap, but you like he wants the simplicity. 562 00:26:10,358 --> 00:26:12,019 He doesn't want to deal with the Sonos app. 563 00:26:12,639 --> 00:26:17,087 Having to run an E Arc HDMI from whatever sound bar to the TV. 564 00:26:17,448 --> 00:26:22,247 Like it is simplicity in Apple ecosystem is what you're buying if you go with this 565 00:26:22,247 --> 00:26:25,040 kind of setup. But you miss you miss the subwoofer. 566 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:25,583 I'll just do that. 567 00:26:25,133 --> 00:26:25,583 Well, we 568 00:26:25,583 --> 00:26:30,017 do basically the same thing. It's just we wait for an Apple TV to die before 569 00:26:30,017 --> 00:26:31,988 we and then we upgrade the we upgrade 570 00:26:31,402 --> 00:26:31,988 Yeah. 571 00:26:31,988 --> 00:26:33,820 it, put that one in the main spot, 572 00:26:33,820 --> 00:26:35,101 and then everything else trickles down. 573 00:26:35,241 --> 00:26:36,852 We don't just look and say, Well, 574 00:26:36,852 --> 00:26:38,924 there's a new one. I should buy that and trickle things down. 575 00:26:38,924 --> 00:26:40,015 It's like, no, no, no, no, no. 576 00:26:40,015 --> 00:26:42,590 These things they last a very long time. 577 00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:47,230 I we definitely have some non four K Apple TVs still dinking around. 578 00:26:47,230 --> 00:26:49,812 We have at least one with the slippery black remote. 579 00:26:49,692 --> 00:26:50,612 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 580 00:26:49,833 --> 00:26:50,833 Like we 581 00:26:50,833 --> 00:26:54,256 even have one that in our basement that has this the old silver remote. 582 00:26:54,358 --> 00:26:55,961 That only has the wheel and 583 00:26:55,229 --> 00:26:55,961 Right. 584 00:26:55,961 --> 00:26:58,125 two buttons. It works it it works amazing. 585 00:26:58,125 --> 00:26:59,819 And it's on a ten eighty p d T V. 586 00:26:59,642 --> 00:27:00,082 I know. 587 00:26:59,819 --> 00:27:00,819 Who cares? 588 00:27:00,923 --> 00:27:03,505 I know. I w so in my situation, 589 00:27:03,505 --> 00:27:07,307 I had one Apple TV that was still the slippery black remote because that 590 00:27:07,307 --> 00:27:09,889 was the f a first generation 4K, 591 00:27:10,229 --> 00:27:12,631 which also does not get TV OS twenty seven. 592 00:27:13,532 --> 00:27:17,324 There's not a ton of features that you would care about about upgrading to TVOS 593 00:27:17,324 --> 00:27:21,057 twenty seven. But for me, who is also huge into the smart home, 594 00:27:21,057 --> 00:27:22,478 which will play into the home view, 595 00:27:22,982 --> 00:27:28,272 I want the newest software on all the home hub devices that I'm running. 596 00:27:28,806 --> 00:27:31,027 And so I'm replacing that old I already have. 597 00:27:31,167 --> 00:27:35,889 That old Apple TV is gone. And it it's off at the farm upstate. 598 00:27:36,309 --> 00:27:40,751 And now it's all the Apple TVs in the house are now TV OS 27. 599 00:27:41,451 --> 00:27:42,892 Uh the only thing I wanted to mention, 600 00:27:42,892 --> 00:27:44,613 this came out after my review, 601 00:27:45,233 --> 00:27:49,205 after I did my review video. But Apple is bringing sign language interpretation 602 00:27:49,205 --> 00:27:51,516 as a built in accessibility feature to Apple TV, 603 00:27:51,776 --> 00:27:54,277 which is wild and so cool that they're doing this. 604 00:27:54,597 --> 00:27:56,598 There's a documentary right now. 605 00:27:57,194 --> 00:28:02,185 uh the being human that you can it's a biopic with disability rights activist 606 00:28:02,185 --> 00:28:04,756 Judy Human. You can watch that right now, 607 00:28:04,756 --> 00:28:08,057 but they are bringing it to Apple's movies like F one, 608 00:28:08,457 --> 00:28:10,958 Greyhound, and other Apple T V content. 609 00:28:11,118 --> 00:28:13,346 And you'll

be able to just turn on sign language interpretation and there'll 610 00:28:13,346 --> 00:28:18,320 be little interpreter like green screened in the corner going through uh which 611 00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:20,360 is really cool. That's awesome that they're doing that. 612 00:28:20,534 --> 00:28:21,861 So that's coming to Apple T V. 613 00:28:22,934 --> 00:28:25,832 All right, Jason. you're gonna grill. 614 00:28:25,365 --> 00:28:26,005 You got you have 615 00:28:26,005 --> 00:28:29,128 seven minutes, Steven. I'm just saying. 616 00:28:27,403 --> 00:28:29,869 I have seven minutes. What happened? 617 00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:33,141 Nothing. I'm just saying you have seven minutes I'm giving you a time limit 618 00:28:33,141 --> 00:28:34,262 to talk about the home view. 619 00:28:33,277 --> 00:28:34,277 I know, I know. 620 00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:36,134 Well my hobie video is forty eight minutes long, 621 00:28:36,134 --> 00:28:37,086 so there's no way 622 00:28:36,330 --> 00:28:37,573 We did a whole 623 00:28:37,573 --> 00:28:40,840 episode about this with uh the the expert. 624 00:28:39,646 --> 00:28:42,067 Jen Tui. She 625 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,840 Yeah, Gentouy, so 626 00:28:42,067 --> 00:28:45,949 is yes, she is awesome. Yes, we uh we will discuss that. 627 00:28:46,086 --> 00:28:48,511 I'm gonna do I'm gonna do our ads before the home view though, 628 00:28:48,531 --> 00:28:52,033 because I'm sure you're gonna grill me on it and I wanna answer your questions. 629 00:28:52,353 --> 00:28:55,254 And so before we get to the home view and my review, 630 00:28:55,635 --> 00:28:57,936 I want to thank our sponsors. And this first one, 631 00:28:58,616 --> 00:29:01,468 updated for iPhone Duo, highly recommend. 632 00:29:01,468 --> 00:29:02,859 I've downloaded it, signed in, 633 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:06,601 is our friends at Coax. So what you do, 634 00:29:06,601 --> 00:29:08,001 and I download the app on my iPhone, 635 00:29:08,302 --> 00:29:09,302 all you gotta do. 636 00:29:09,436 --> 00:29:12,489 Is sign into your Plex account and it works with other servers as well. 637 00:29:12,489 --> 00:29:17,263 I did it with my Plex account and it just immediately sees everything on my Plex 638 00:29:17,263 --> 00:29:22,488 server and it's super cool. If you are ever nostalgic for like the old school 639 00:29:22,488 --> 00:29:25,501 TV guide, I want to show you the Plex app actually like live. 640 00:29:25,821 --> 00:29:27,054 And so I'm gonna stop sharing my screen. 641 00:29:27,054 --> 00:29:29,674 So if you're watching, uh I'm gonna show this to you live, 642 00:29:29,674 --> 00:29:31,766 but if not, just go to the Coax website, 643 00:29:31,766 --> 00:29:33,127 the link will be in the show notes. 644 00:29:33,768 --> 00:29:35,720 After you connect, I connected my Plex account. 645 00:29:36,198 --> 00:29:36,328 I 646 00:29:36,328 --> 00:29:39,860 have like a channel viewer, old school TV guide style, 647 00:29:40,200

--> 00:29:42,001 updated for iPhone Duo. Look at that. 648 00:29:42,101 --> 00:29:45,712 Edge to edge. I get like the little channel surfing here with all the stuff. 649 00:29:45,712 --> 00:29:47,763 And this is just all stuff in my Plex account. 650 00:29:48,103 --> 00:29:50,744 It is so cool to be able to navigate it that way. 651 00:29:51,185 --> 00:29:52,338 And it feels like it's just, you know, 652 00:29:52,338 --> 00:29:54,666 if you just want what is on right now, 653 00:29:54,986 --> 00:29:58,928 but what is on based on my Plex server or my home media server, 654 00:29:59,168 --> 00:30:01,709 you can just do that. And that's the magic of coax, 655 00:30:01,889 --> 00:30:03,590 updated for iPhone Duo. 656 00:30:04,169 --> 00:30:06,230 And you can tinker to your channels to your heart's content. 657 00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:10,471 There's custom video playback built on top of AV player that can play just about 658 00:30:10,471 --> 00:30:15,082 anything. MKVs, 4K HDR, closed caption support, 659 00:30:15,082 --> 00:30:17,422 honors the system setting, which is huge. 660 00:30:17,422 --> 00:30:20,643 That's again, can be really messy depending on your home server. 661 00:30:20,903 --> 00:30:24,534 Coax can handle that. That printed schedule view that lets you flip through 662 00:30:24,534 --> 00:30:26,252 your schedule like a guide in the newspaper. 663 00:30:26,252 --> 00:30:27,685 I didn't show you that, but on the in the app, 664 00:30:27,685 --> 00:30:30,516 you can like look at it like it's a paper uh TV guide, 665 00:30:30,516 --> 00:30:31,516 which is super fun. 666 00:30:31,614 --> 00:30:34,656 Change the channel on your TV from the lap in the remote printed schedule. 667 00:30:34,656 --> 00:30:37,198 Use an IO of this to browse it like I was. 668 00:30:37,539 --> 00:30:38,900 And family sharing is enabled. 669 00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:41,142 Once you purchase it, it works across all your Apple devices. 670 00:30:41,382 --> 00:30:43,253 And there's also parental controls built in. 671 00:30:43,253 --> 00:30:46,566 So you can, you know, restrict certain content depending on the ages of your 672 00:30:46,566 --> 00:30:48,768 kids, things like that. You can pick your theme, 673 00:30:48,788 --> 00:30:52,110 ton of content filters. You can have TV marathon channels. 674 00:30:52,131 --> 00:30:54,112 There's a retro weather channel, 675 00:30:54,232 --> 00:30:55,703 which if you grew up in the 90s like I did, 676 00:30:55,703 --> 00:30:56,974 you might be nostalgic for that. 677 00:30:57,255 --> 00:30:59,777 And there's native implementations across all the platforms: 678 00:30:59,817 --> 00:31:01,298 iOS, Mac OS, TV OS. 679 00:31:01,566 --> 00:31:02,647 Vision OS, and like I mentioned, 680 00:31:02,647 --> 00:31:05,828 updated for iPhone Duo. Pure Swift everywhere, 681 00:31:06,029 --> 00:31:07,830 no shims or shortcuts. And here's you, 682 00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:11,992 you can get a lifetime unlock for $75, 683 00:31:12,552 --> 00:31:17,435 which is wild and unheard of. 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tech all on word for 20% off at clnmy.com 752 00:34:47,445 --> 00:34:49,617 slash primary tech. And the link is in the show notes. 753 00:34:49,617 --> 00:34:51,547 You can click it there. Try seven days free, 754 00:34:51,608 --> 00:34:57,981 primary tech for 20% off. Clean my clnmy dot com slash primary tech. 755 00:34:57,981 --> 00:35:00,662 Thanks to Clean My Mac for sponsoring this episode. 756 00:35:00,662 --> 00:35:03,894 All right, Jason, I have my home view here. 757 00:35:04,174 --> 00:35:08,326 I brought it back into the studio so I can hold it here in the video and show 758 00:35:08,326 --> 00:35:10,047 it to you live. This is me swiping up. 759 00:35:10,347 --> 00:35:10,467 To 760 00:35:10,467 --> 00:35:12,819 the home screen. This is me swapping down. 761 00:35:12,939 --> 00:35:16,482 There you go. I've had this for over a week. 762 00:35:16,618 --> 00:35:17,782 I don't even know what you just did. 763 00:35:17,963 --> 00:35:20,015 That's fine. I will not 764 00:35:20,015 --> 00:35:23,187 recap my video like I did with the Apple TV. 765 00:35:23,868 --> 00:35:27,451 But here I've waited for this device for so long. 766 00:35:27,451 --> 00:35:29,493 I looked back. The one thing I'll say for my video, 767 00:35:29,773 --> 00:35:31,434 the first mention of this device, 768 00:35:31,775 --> 00:35:35,578 me and Andrew O'Hara were talking on at the time was HomeKit Insider. 769 00:35:36,158 --> 00:35:39,591 In March 2021, the first rumor came up. 770 00:35:40,309 --> 00:35:42,833 Because it was after Apple discontinued the original home pod, 771 00:35:43,415 --> 00:35:47,442 and there were then rumors that Apple was working on a home pod with a screen 772 00:35:48,043 --> 00:35:49,065 to be their smart home hub. 773 00:35:49,922 --> 00:35:52,087 Okay, but is that a home pod with a screen? 774 00:35:52,087 --> 00:35:53,470 That's my first question. 775 00:35:55,315 --> 00:35:59,111 It is like a home pod mini with a screen. 776 00:35:59,472 --> 00:35:59,883 I mean 777 00:35:59,655 --> 00:36:00,158 Like. 778 00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:02,324 What it tell what you mean by like at home button. 779 00:36:03,381 --> 00:36:05,242 Well, if you're talking about audio quality, 780 00:36:05,262 --> 00:36:06,742 it's actually very good. I was 781 00:36:06,401 --> 00:36:06,742 Okay. 782 00:36:06,742 --> 00:36:09,764 surprised. And I don't have the wall-mounted version. 783 00:36:09,764 --> 00:36:12,525 I'll be getting that in my order tomorrow as we record. 784 00:36:13,005 --> 00:36:16,266 But Gentui says she had a wall-mounted version, 785 00:36:16,266 --> 00:36:19,248 who was a guest on the show, that even that sounds pretty good. 786 00:36:19,528 --> 00:36:20,808 So even without the little bass. 787 00:36:21,168 --> 00:36:25,830 Obviously you get less bass B A S S without the bass B A S 788 00:36:23,126 --> 00:36:25,274 Bass without the bass. No bass, 789 00:36:25,274 --> 00:36:25,930 no bass. 790 00:36:25,930 -->

00:36:29,332 E. uh but it does sound pretty good even on the wall. 791 00:36:30,072 --> 00:36:31,861 Now I 792 00:36:32,489 --> 00:36:34,149 You know, you just want audio, 793 00:36:34,990 --> 00:36:38,871 I think a home pod mini two, which sounds better than the first version. 794 00:36:38,871 --> 00:36:40,451 I we haven't really talked about it a lot on the show, 795 00:36:40,611 --> 00:36:41,751 and I've not done a video on it. 796 00:36:41,851 --> 00:36:44,192 But HomePod Mini 2 does sound better overall. 797 00:36:44,712 --> 00:36:47,593 You know, I would Home Pod Mini is going to give you a better sound, 798 00:36:47,853 --> 00:36:52,704 but this sounds very good. And then you have a screen that you can then do stuff 799 00:36:52,704 --> 00:36:57,235 with. Home pod screen. I think this is this is the thing. 800 00:36:57,255 --> 00:37:00,836 This is the thing. If you are a smart home nerd, 801 00:37:01,016 --> 00:37:02,016 like I am. 802 00:37:02,782 --> 00:37:05,434 I think you would enjoy this. I have all the controls here. 803 00:37:05,852 --> 00:37:08,517 I have you can have multiple pages of controls, 804 00:37:08,837 --> 00:37:11,559 which was a question when this first was announced. 805 00:37:11,580 --> 00:37:13,781 And in those episodes, early episodes we talked, 806 00:37:14,222 --> 00:37:17,124 it was unclear if you could have multiple smart home control pages, 807 00:37:17,124 --> 00:37:20,357 but you can. So here's one page with nine different controls, 808 00:37:20,357 --> 00:37:23,790 including a camera. Here's another page with different layout, 809 00:37:23,850 --> 00:37:26,032 different controls. You can have that. 810 00:37:26,732 --> 00:37:28,153 One of the best things, honestly, 811 00:37:28,694 --> 00:37:31,056 the speed at which accessories respond. 812 00:37:31,838 --> 00:37:35,050 So if you're watching, I'm gonna turn off the key light and turn it back on. 813 00:37:35,110 --> 00:37:36,390 This is the control right here. 814 00:37:36,791 --> 00:37:39,452 Tapping it, I mean almost immediate response, 815 00:37:39,752 --> 00:37:43,875 which is wild. And now everything in my office is is moving and changing. 816 00:37:43,967 --> 00:37:45,078 This is a great demo. 817 00:37:45,716 --> 00:37:47,056 Look at that, it's a great demo. 818 00:37:47,217 --> 00:37:49,217 Let me go to my other home control page. 819 00:37:49,838 --> 00:37:52,960 And I have video purple here. And so I'll run that scene. 820 00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:55,361 Almost immediate response. So, 821 00:37:55,541 --> 00:38:00,244 you know, one of the biggest things about smart home for the people not nerds 822 00:38:00,244 --> 00:38:01,244 in the house. 823 00:38:01,446 --> 00:38:04,679 Is sometimes it can be annoying if you have to wait for something to respond 824 00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:06,980 or you're not sure how to control something. 825 00:38:07,521 --> 00:38:10,844 And so me and Gentui says this in her review, 826 00:38:11,164 --> 00:38:16,348 just having an obvious tap here to turn on the light for everyone else in the home 827 00:38:16,869 --> 00:38:20,431 is nice. It's use it's a useful part of this device. 828 00:38:21,032 --> 00:38:23,354 Now again, if you don't have smart home controls, 829 00:38:24,155 --> 00:38:26,196 less compelling. Less compelling. 830 00:38:26,537 --> 00:38:28,778 But I want to tell you, I'm not gonna recap my review. 831 00:38:28,778 --> 00:38:30,790 I'm gonna tell you two things w about. 832 00:38:31,061 --> 00:38:33,002 Just weirdness about this device. 833 00:38:33,702 --> 00:38:36,204 And then you can um you can grill me. 834 00:38:36,374 --> 00:38:37,348 No, I just want to ask questions. 835 00:38:37,348 --> 00:38:37,927 Yeah. Good. 836 00:38:37,421 --> 00:38:38,075 Yeah, yeah, 837 00:38:38,075 --> 00:38:41,206 yeah, yeah. Recipes. 838 00:38:41,206 --> 00:38:43,087 A super useful part of this device, 839 00:38:43,107 --> 00:38:45,528 which really feels like it wants to be a kitchen device, 840 00:38:46,009 --> 00:38:48,670 would be reading recipes on this thing. 841 00:38:49,630 --> 00:38:52,072 Now, how do you get recipes on here? 842 00:38:52,752 --> 00:38:57,214 It's a bit convoluted. If you have a recipe in Safari, 843 00:38:58,055 --> 00:38:59,828 and I'm gonna pull up one, I do this in my video, 844 00:38:59,828 --> 00:39:00,786 but I just want to show you. 845 00:39:00,786 --> 00:39:04,078 here as well. I have an almond flour pancake recipe that always comes 846 00:39:04,078 --> 00:39:10,493 up on my on my thing. I can tap my phone to the home view and it will open that 847 00:39:10,493 --> 00:39:15,026 recipe in Safari. I think I need to be actually on the home screen, 848 00:39:15,326 --> 00:39:18,668 which we could talk about navigation in a minute because it's that 849 00:39:18,668 --> 00:39:20,149 is a bit convoluted, I'll be real. 850 00:39:20,549 --> 00:39:23,151 So I'm gonna airdrop this recipe. 851 00:39:23,792 --> 00:39:26,423 Airdrop is very fast. If you ever used handoff on a home pod and 852 00:39:26,423 --> 00:39:28,395 had a bad experience, I think it's way better here. 853 00:39:28,835 --> 00:39:30,366 I can tap the little recipe viewer. 854 00:39:31,028 --> 00:39:35,180 I get a nice little image, I get an ingredients list that I can actually check 855 00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:38,111 off, and I also have these start cooking, 856 00:39:38,251 --> 00:39:41,313 the step-by-step ingredients, and when there's a timer, 857 00:39:41,533 --> 00:39:46,575 I can tap the timer and I get a nice big visual timer on the home view. 858 00:39:47,616 --> 00:39:53,819 All of that is really cool. If the recipes that you are using are not from Safari, 859 00:39:54,379 --> 00:39:56,800 there is no good way to get a recipe on this device. 860 00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:59,553 Now you can ask the voice assistant, 861 00:39:59,553 --> 00:40:02,348 hey, give me a recipe for whatever, 862

00:40:02,889 --> 00:40:04,772 and Siri AI will give you an answer, 863 00:40:05,394 --> 00:40:09,581 but you can't go to that nice recipe view with the ingredient list and swiping over 864 00:40:09,702 --> 00:40:10,964 with the interactive timers. 865 00:40:11,084 --> 00:40:14,340 So hold hold on. So you mean like if you're using the New York Times recipe 866 00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:19,770 app, like the New York Times app with recipes or Apple News recipes? 867 00:40:20,651 --> 00:40:23,562 So that is the biggest miss, and I say this in my video. 868 00:40:23,802 --> 00:40:26,142 The Apple News app, which is on this device, 869 00:40:27,163 --> 00:40:30,863 one, only lets you listen to news shows. 870 00:40:31,424 --> 00:40:34,864 You can't read any, which doesn't make sense because you have a full-on browser 871 00:40:34,864 --> 00:40:39,545 on this thing. And r recipes in News Plus are not on this device. 872 00:40:40,326 --> 00:40:45,567 Huge miss. That was a total new feature that Apple brought like a year or two ago. 873 00:40:46,007 --> 00:40:47,947 Recipes in News Plus look great. 874 00:40:47,988 --> 00:40:49,918 They're formatted nicely. You can 875 00:40:50,324 --> 00:40:53,235 you know, categorized by time and how long they take to cook. 876 00:40:53,597 --> 00:40:56,607 No access to news plus recipes on this device. 877 00:40:56,714 --> 00:40:57,714 You can't even just airdrop 878 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,482 No, because they don't open. Like the news app, 879 00:41:02,502 --> 00:41:04,643 all you can do is listen to news stories. 880 00:41:05,324 --> 00:41:08,786 There's no way to to do it. What it that's a miss, 881 00:41:08,926 --> 00:41:11,468 I'll fully admit. It's not good. 882 00:41:11,788 --> 00:41:16,091 So like I can go to my saved recipes here in the News Plus app on my iPhone. 883 00:41:16,611 --> 00:41:18,572 Again, beautiful, great layout. 884 00:41:19,013 --> 00:41:21,694 If I try to airdrop that to the home view, 885 00:41:22,875 --> 00:41:23,946 like nothing happens. 886 00:41:24,832 --> 00:41:27,634 I mean you got a cool little animation there as it rejected you. 887 00:41:27,604 --> 00:41:30,205 You g as it rejected it. Exactly. 888 00:41:30,285 --> 00:41:33,526 But there's no way to get that on the home view. 889 00:41:34,567 --> 00:41:37,688 Nothing. Nothing happens. No news plus new recipes. 890 00:41:37,948 --> 00:41:39,419 When you ask the voice assistant, 891 00:41:39,419 --> 00:41:42,050 you don't get the nice recipe UI. 892 00:41:42,810 --> 00:41:46,512 And I think another big miss, most people, 893 00:41:46,932 --> 00:41:48,753 you could tell me how you and your wife are, 894 00:41:49,093 --> 00:41:51,494 probably have recipes saved in Apple Notes. 895 00:41:52,154 --> 00:41:53,474 Maybe their notes app of choice. 896 00:41:54,395 --> 00:41:57,036 No Apple Notes on this device. 897 00:41:57,586 --> 00:42:01,278 And no way to get an Apple note onto this device through Airdrop. 898 00:42:01,738 --> 00:42:02,919 If there's not an app to view it, 899 00:42:02,919 --> 00:42:08,041 you can't do it. Now, a solution was suggested to me, 900 00:42:08,522 --> 00:42:10,923 which is text yourself a recipe. 901 00:42:10,294 --> 00:42:12,728 No, this is not a good idea. I mean, 902 00:42:12,584 --> 00:42:12,904 Okay. 903 00:42:12,728 --> 00:42:13,019 I'm not 904 00:42:13,019 --> 00:42:18,137 saying it's not a good idea, but that is not a solution to a problem that only 905 00:42:18,137 --> 00:42:20,221 exists because someone at Apple didn't think like, 906 00:42:20,221 --> 00:42:22,094 you know, we we have a recipe thing. 907 00:42:22,355 --> 00:42:24,108 We we have a thing for recipes. 908 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,001 I don't know if because it's a news plus like under a subscription feature. 909 00:42:28,001 --> 00:42:29,861 I don't know. But like I d I tried it. 910 00:42:30,061 --> 00:42:31,522 I texted myself recipes. I said, 911 00:42:31,742 --> 00:42:34,882 show me my cottage cheese recipe that I texted myself. 912 00:42:36,603 --> 00:42:38,263 And the voice assistant will go to work. 913 00:42:39,003 --> 00:42:42,344 It does find the recipe I texted myself because it has personal content 914 00:42:42,404 --> 00:42:45,482 and it can do all of that. It's searching for my cottage cheese recipe. 915 00:42:45,482 --> 00:42:47,025 Problems reaching your personal device. 916 00:42:47,065 --> 00:42:52,647 Never mind. So the re the recipe part I think is just a miss. 917 00:42:52,867 --> 00:42:53,907 I say it in my video. 918 00:42:54,131 --> 00:42:55,440 There needs to be better ways to do it. 919 00:42:56,328 --> 00:42:56,992 That's all. 920 00:42:56,992 --> 00:43:00,284 And it does seem like that was maybe not a selling point, 921 00:43:00,364 --> 00:43:03,235 but it was a pretty big like if you're gonna stick this on your counter in your 922 00:43:03,235 --> 00:43:06,707 kitchen, seems like this is you know what you can do this on? 923 00:43:07,315 --> 00:43:09,766 What's that? Get out of here. Okay, 924 00:43:07,768 --> 00:43:10,909 An iPad mini. Sorry. 925 00:43:09,766 --> 00:43:11,826 so the other thing, other 926 00:43:11,826 --> 00:43:14,087 two things. The multi-user aspect, 927 00:43:14,087 --> 00:43:16,018 which was a huge part of Apple's promo video. 928 00:43:16,018 --> 00:43:18,028 The whole family spinning this thing around the kitchen, 929 00:43:18,028 --> 00:43:23,500 everybody using it. I put everybody in my family on this device to their chagrin. 930 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,701 I have my I have all five profiles set up on this device. 931 00:43:27,361 --> 00:43:29,621 And it does a decent job of when you walk up, 932 00:43:29,742 --> 00:43:32,102 you swipe up, and it's your profile. 933 00:43:32,902 --> 00:43:34,923 Also, I do wish that 934 00:43:35,163 --> 00:43:37,324 it had the ability to as you approach, 935 00:43:37,684 --> 00:43:39,485 it just unlocks

automatically. 936 00:43:40,226 --> 00:43:45,068 Or that I could set it where it can show me the weather when I'm not near it, 937 00:43:45,288 --> 00:43:48,450 but as I walk up, it shows me my home controls. 938 00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:50,321 There's no option for that. It 939 00:43:50,038 --> 00:43:50,536 But you wouldn't 940 00:43:50,536 --> 00:43:51,561 want it to unlock though. 941 00:43:52,657 --> 00:43:55,794 No, but I would love for it to change to home controls when I approach, 942 00:43:55,875 --> 00:43:57,793 because I like seeing glanceable information. 943 00:43:56,256 --> 00:43:58,008 No, uh the thing you said before 944 00:43:58,008 --> 00:44:01,030 though is when you walk up you wanted it to unlock like the swipe up. 945 00:44:01,030 --> 00:44:03,312 But what if you wanted to touch the home controls? 946 00:44:03,485 --> 00:44:04,637 You're right. That's not what I wanted. 947 00:44:04,637 --> 00:44:05,428 What I want is to 948 00:44:04,653 --> 00:44:05,428 Okay. 949 00:44:05,428 --> 00:44:10,145 be able to have like a face for when it's in like standby and then as someone 950 00:44:10,145 --> 00:44:12,108 approaches to show home controls. 951 00:44:11,892 --> 00:44:14,128 Okay, that's what the Google the Nest Hub 952 00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:14,128 Right. 953 00:44:14,128 --> 00:44:17,868 Max does. It's just shows photos and then if I walk up it'll be like weather, 954 00:44:17,868 --> 00:44:19,001 calendar, whatever. 955 00:44:19,237 --> 00:44:21,218 Exactly. Because the photo face, 956 00:44:21,218 --> 00:44:23,550 which you can connect it to your Apple photos, 957 00:44:23,830 --> 00:44:26,072 and it will show you photos of your family. 958 00:44:26,072 --> 00:44:28,293 You can say just show people, just show collections, 959 00:44:28,453 --> 00:44:31,976 that's great. I actually will probably leave it on the photo face when it's 960 00:44:31,976 --> 00:44:34,658 in the living room. But as I approach, 961 00:44:34,718 --> 00:44:36,419 I want to see my home controls. 962 00:44:36,739 --> 00:44:38,680 Because that's that's what I would actually tap. 963 00:44:37,888 --> 00:44:39,225 That's why I'm walking up to it. 964 00:44:39,181 --> 00:44:39,431 That's 965 00:44:39,431 --> 00:44:41,882 why I'm walking up to it. So that's a a wish. 966 00:44:41,923 --> 00:44:44,925 I wish you could do that. But the multi-user stuff, 967 00:44:45,925 --> 00:44:48,357 if someone is using it, like I'm using it. 968 00:44:48,798 --> 00:44:52,650 And I walk away. Supposedly, one of my kids should be able to walk up, 969 00:44:53,090 --> 00:44:56,842 swipe up, and it should be their profile with their personal content, 970 00:44:56,842 --> 00:44:58,233 including their text messages. 971 00:44:58,518 --> 00:44:59,992 That's what the video promised. 972 00:44:59,994 --> 00:45:01,215 That is what the video promised. 973 00:45:02,516 --> 00:45:06,177 60-ish percent of the time, that's how it works. 974 00:45:07,738 --> 00:45:09,009 If the if 975 00:45:08,716 --> 00:45:09,076 Sixty 976 00:45:09,076 --> 00:45:11,319 is like a d is like a it's like failing, 977 00:45:11,319 --> 00:45:14,453 right? It's a D, right? 978 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,439 I mean if you were making it a test. 979 00:45:14,453 --> 00:45:15,453 Okay D minus. 980 00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:21,962 Yeah, because one, if the other person is still in eye shot of the device, 981 00:45:22,582 --> 00:45:26,393 like there were many times where we tested it where I would swipe up, 982 00:45:26,393 --> 00:45:29,854 swipe down, step to the side, pretty far to the side, 983 00:45:29,854 --> 00:45:32,044 like almost eighty degree angle off the thing, 984 00:45:32,385 --> 00:45:35,445 and my son would swipe up, it would still think it's me. 985 00:45:36,026 --> 00:45:37,806 Even though he's directly in front of the device, 986 00:45:38,266 --> 00:45:40,937 it would still show my profile and he could get into my text messages. 987 00:45:41,289 --> 00:45:43,640 So if you're within eye shot of this camera, 988 00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:46,160 it might still be unlocked for your stuff. 989 00:45:47,321 --> 00:45:49,721 And if you try to do it really fast, 990 00:45:50,102 --> 00:45:52,622 which we're I was intentionally trying to trick it, 991 00:45:52,622 --> 00:45:55,243 but that's also how the video showed. 992 00:45:55,443 --> 00:45:58,604 Like in Apple's promo video, it shows the sister looking at text messages, 993 00:45:58,964 --> 00:46:00,664 she gets up, and then two seconds later, 994 00:46:00,664 --> 00:46:02,255 the brother turns it, swipes it, 995 00:46:02,255 --> 00:46:05,386 and it's locked. Many instances of that not being the case. 996 00:46:05,946 --> 00:46:08,527 So I tested with my wife, she would swipe up, 997 00:46:08,707 --> 00:46:09,757 I see her profile. 998 00:46:10,025 --> 00:46:12,817 She goes to her calendar, which is part of that protected information. 999 00:46:13,158 --> 00:46:15,760 She swipes down, steps to the side. 1000 00:46:15,915 --> 00:46:18,702 I walk up, swipe up, and it's still her. 1001 00:46:19,283 --> 00:46:22,265 And it's still unlocked where I could see the calendar and text messages. 1002 00:46:23,126 --> 00:46:28,470 So A, your teenagers are not going to want their personal content on here because 1003 00:46:28,590 --> 00:46:30,452 there are times where it might be accessed. 1004 00:46:30,784 --> 00:46:35,149 Yeah. The brothers reading the from the videos reading their text messages. 1005 00:46:31,753 --> 00:46:34,915 Yeah. Yeah. This is right. 1006 00:46:35,556 --> 00:46:39,369 And some uh like I can switch to my son here. 1007 00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:42,461 So it'll switch to his profile with him not around. 1008 00:46:43,403 --> 00:46:45,485 And if I go to text messages, it'll be locked. 1009 00:46:45,945 --> 00:46:47,326 But some things are not locked, 1010 00:46:47,326 --> 00:46:50,869 like Apple Music. And so I could just

go into his Apple Music account 1011 00:46:50,869 --> 00:46:53,171 and see all his playlists, see all his songs. 1012 00:46:53,612 --> 00:46:57,095 And that feels like personal content that should probably be locked. 1013 00:46:57,250 --> 00:47:00,470 You're gonna ruin his rewind or whatever they call it. 1014 00:46:59,635 --> 00:47:01,256 Well, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna mess with it. 1015 00:47:01,356 --> 00:47:02,827 But if I try to go into text messages, 1016 00:47:02,827 --> 00:47:06,799 you'll see now it wants facial recognition to unlock his messages. 1017 00:47:06,879 --> 00:47:08,360 It's the same with your calendar. 1018 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,561 But it's we it's a little weird. 1019 00:47:12,182 --> 00:47:16,244 And I feel like they shouldn't have pushed so hard into the multi-user aspect, 1020 00:47:16,564 --> 00:47:20,436 and they should have pushed harder into like the recipe feature and tried 1021 00:47:20,436 --> 00:47:23,688 to do that better. Voice recognition is pretty good. 1022 00:47:23,688 --> 00:47:25,329 My wife and I stood both next to it. 1023 00:47:25,649 --> 00:47:27,930 I would say, show me my calendar events. 1024 00:47:28,231 --> 00:47:29,231 And it would show me mine. 1025 00:47:29,459 --> 00:47:31,061 And that's personal content for the home view. 1026 00:47:31,322 --> 00:47:34,706 My wife would ask immediately after and it would show her hers. 1027 00:47:35,107 --> 00:47:39,052 So it does a decent job at recognizing voice and recognizing face, 1028 00:47:39,392 --> 00:47:43,067 but if you really want to try and confuse it in rapid succession, 1029 00:47:43,067 --> 00:47:44,349 yes, you can confuse it. 1030 00:47:45,110 --> 00:47:47,612 Can you just turn off the personal profiles 1031 00:47:46,953 --> 00:47:47,612 Yes. 1032 00:47:47,612 --> 00:47:50,123 and just use it as just a dumb device? 1033 00:47:50,653 --> 00:47:55,564 You can't turn off profiles because it requires you to set it up with at least 1034 00:47:55,564 --> 00:47:56,492 one profile. 1035 00:47:56,492 --> 00:47:58,326 See that I feel like that's a huge miss. 1036 00:47:58,326 --> 00:48:03,536 I feel like it should just be able to control my devices and then stream Apple 1037 00:48:03,536 --> 00:48:06,522 Music. Like maybe I could just sign into Apple Music or something. 1038 00:48:06,562 --> 00:48:08,526 Like 'cause you can do that on the Google device. 1039 00:48:07,945 --> 00:48:08,536 So 1040 00:48:08,536 --> 00:48:10,158 you I'm sorry, you can do that. 1041 00:48:10,378 --> 00:48:12,220 So if I set it up with my profile, 1042 00:48:12,681 --> 00:48:16,405 I can do that and then set no one else up and then it's guest mode for everybody 1043 00:48:16,405 --> 00:48:21,033 else. And with guest mode, you can still play music and control your smartphone. 1044 00:48:21,452 --> 00:48:23,738 But I don't want any of my stuff connected. 1045 00:48:23,738 --> 00:48:27,186 Like I don't want even the idea that there's

a button that says messages that 1046 00:48:27,186 --> 00:48:29,311 someone's gonna tap and say you can't look at this. 1047 00:48:29,311 --> 00:48:31,026 I just want it to not have any of that. 1048 00:48:31,465 --> 00:48:36,219 So you can turn off personal content in settings for a profile, 1049 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,201 and then it will turn off messages, 1050 00:48:38,201 --> 00:48:39,863 reminders, and calendars. 1051 00:48:40,439 --> 00:48:41,439 Photos? 1052 00:48:42,493 --> 00:48:45,508 Well, here's the thing, photos have to be attached to an iPhone. 1053 00:48:46,270 --> 00:48:46,831 And so 1054 00:48:46,529 --> 00:48:46,861 I'm saying 1055 00:48:46,861 --> 00:48:48,169 turn it off is what I'm saying. 1056 00:48:48,169 --> 00:48:49,169 So it wouldn't have 1057 00:48:49,911 --> 00:48:51,561 You well, there's no photos app, 1058 00:48:51,561 --> 00:48:53,002 so you can't just browse photos, 1059 00:48:53,062 --> 00:48:56,442 but for the face of the home view that's photo driven, 1060 00:48:57,183 --> 00:48:58,963 when you go to edit that face, 1061 00:48:59,063 --> 00:49:03,384 you have to use your iPhone to you choose the photos and collections you want. 1062 00:49:03,664 --> 00:49:08,525 There's no way to like choose photos or like upload a photo to put on the frame. 1063 00:49:08,705 --> 00:49:12,646 It has to be tied to someone's iPhone that's managing the photos face. 1064 00:49:12,701 --> 00:49:13,701 Does that make sense? 1065 00:49:13,792 --> 00:49:20,562 I think so. And so you also you could not set up a way for I mean, 1066 00:49:20,562 --> 00:49:22,244 I guess it wouldn't have any personal content, 1067 00:49:22,244 --> 00:49:25,158 but like if you have a child that doesn't have a phone or an iPad, 1068 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:28,482 they just they just look at this thing sitting on the counter wondering when will 1069 00:49:28,482 --> 00:49:29,865 I be old enough to get to use this? 1070 00:49:30,683 --> 00:49:32,107 Well again, they can use music. 1071 00:49:32,609 --> 00:49:34,404 They can play the Apple TV app. 1072 00:49:34,668 --> 00:49:36,299 But whose music are they using then? 1073 00:49:36,562 --> 00:49:38,243 Well, it'll be the primary user's account. 1074 00:49:39,284 --> 00:49:40,805 And so, you know, you're listening. 1075 00:49:39,958 --> 00:49:40,958 That's a hard no. 1076 00:49:42,927 --> 00:49:46,159 So that's the thing. Now, my daughter was able to set it up with just an iPad. 1077 00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,851 She doesn't have an iPhone. So you can't have iPad profiles. 1078 00:49:50,672 --> 00:49:52,873 But that's where the last weirdness comes in. 1079 00:49:54,455 --> 00:49:57,977 Third party apps only show up if they support CarPlay. 1080 00:49:58,317 --> 00:50:00,039 CarPlay audio or CarPlay Video. 1081 00:50:00,299 --> 00:50:02,560 So I have Sofa, Overcast, Here, 1082 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,722 Here, Tripod, a new podcast app from Ben. 1083 00:50:05,352 --> 00:50:07,303 Pocket cam, like these are all third-party apps, 1084 00:50:07,683 --> 00:50:09,803 but they also function as CarPlay apps. 1085 00:50:10,424 --> 00:50:12,904 So when I play a podcast on any of those apps, 1086 00:50:13,005 --> 00:50:17,786 it starts playing from my phone and it's just casting the screen over here, 1087 00:50:17,926 --> 00:50:20,547 just like CarPlay works. So it takes over your phone. 1088 00:50:20,727 --> 00:50:23,568 These are not like standalone apps on the home view. 1089 00:50:24,348 --> 00:50:27,129 Responsiveness is not great because of that. 1090 00:50:27,509 --> 00:50:29,170 And you get some weird UI behavior. 1091 00:50:29,170 --> 00:50:30,170 I show it in my video. 1092 00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:35,321 And lastly, the other third-party content that you can have are widgets. 1093 00:50:36,201 --> 00:50:40,362 Now I was curious when I started setting it up, 1094 00:50:40,923 --> 00:50:42,783 I could add widgets from so many apps. 1095 00:50:43,164 --> 00:50:45,164 And I was like, how is this possible? 1096 00:50:46,285 --> 00:50:48,446 Like any list, my grocery app, 1097 00:50:48,826 --> 00:50:52,807 I can have a widget here and show the meal plan from my any list app. 1098 00:50:53,548 --> 00:51:00,270 That is because any app that supports macOS widget continuity. 1099 00:51:01,596 --> 00:51:04,088 So as you know, you can add widgets to your Mac desktop. 1100 00:51:04,448 --> 00:51:07,150 A lot of those widgets can be built into apps installed on your Mac, 1101 00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:11,133 but you can also add widgets from your phone onto your Mac desktop. 1102 00:51:11,453 --> 00:51:15,016 So you can put a Flighty widget on your Mac desktop from your iPhone, 1103 00:51:15,156 --> 00:51:17,317 and your iPhone is powering that widget. 1104 00:51:17,717 --> 00:51:19,559 Well, the same is true for the home view. 1105 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,522 Interesting. But what happens is you get a glanceable widget, 1106 00:51:24,522 --> 00:51:26,724 and if you try to tap it to interact with it, 1107 00:51:27,164 --> 00:51:29,646 nothing happens. It will say app is unavailable. 1108 00:51:30,386 --> 00:51:33,188 Because the app is not physically on the home view. 1109 00:51:33,608 --> 00:51:36,740 It is just casting the widget to the home view. 1110 00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:39,772 So if I tap on one, it says app unavailable. 1111 00:51:40,013 --> 00:51:45,406 You can't do anything. I guess it's nice that you have access to those glanceable 1112 00:51:45,406 --> 00:51:49,059 widgets. You can put your Amazon widget with orders on here-ish. 1113 00:51:49,279 --> 00:51:52,121 You can even have widget stacks where you can like slide between them. 1114 00:51:52,721 --> 00:51:54,963 But it's it's just weird behavior. 1115 00:51:55,603 --> 00:51:59,015 And I understand it's because they're they don't want it to be a whole platform like 1116 00:51:59,015 --> 00:52:00,015 with an app store. 1117

00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,815 But then you get weird like it's CarPlay audio and video apps, 1118 00:52:04,256 --> 00:52:08,322 but widget apps for Mac OS and it's all in one. 1119 00:52:08,803 --> 00:52:10,866 And it's a little weird. It's a little weird. 1120 00:52:11,988 --> 00:52:15,634 J J Jason's face is like, okay. 1121 00:52:15,146 --> 00:52:15,827 I just 1122 00:52:15,827 --> 00:52:20,691 yeah, I just I don't I don't think that this is the product this product 1123 00:52:20,691 --> 00:52:23,893 is not fully baked yet. And I don't think they should have released it because it's 1124 00:52:23,893 --> 00:52:28,617 not fully baked. And unlike some of the other things that Apple has started 1125 00:52:28,617 --> 00:52:31,540 rolling out because it had to, 1126 00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:33,741 this doesn't feel like something it had to do. 1127 00:52:33,741 --> 00:52:38,165 It's like I mean, Apple is one of the three major ecosystems for home anyway, 1128 00:52:38,165 --> 00:52:41,888 and they're not going to t they're not going to beat Google and Amazon. 1129 00:52:42,108 --> 00:52:43,570 I mean, they may do really well, 1130 00:52:43,570 --> 00:52:44,570 but like 1131 00:52:44,609 --> 00:52:47,120 Those ecosystems are all so huge. 1132 00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:50,441 And the goal is that they're all supposed just supposed to be interoperable 1133 00:52:50,641 --> 00:52:53,442 interoperable anyway. But if I get a home view, 1134 00:52:54,243 --> 00:52:55,563 which I'm not gonna get a home view, 1135 00:52:55,563 --> 00:53:01,695 but if I get a home view, it's gonna be mostly useless to us because I don't want 1136 00:53:01,695 --> 00:53:02,776 my personal contacts on there. 1137 00:53:02,776 --> 00:53:05,287 And none of no one else in my family is gonna want their personal contacts 1138 00:53:05,287 --> 00:53:11,849 on there. And a lot of the stuff that's in our home that's like smart home stuff, 1139 00:53:12,970 --> 00:53:13,970 it all works. 1140 00:53:14,228 --> 00:53:17,122 really well and we just don't want to touch it. 1141 00:53:17,182 --> 00:53:20,446 I'm not replacing light bulbs and switches and all these things just to make them 1142 00:53:20,446 --> 00:53:21,708 potentially work with the home view. 1143 00:53:21,708 --> 00:53:23,170 Does that I don't know, does that make sense? 1144 00:53:22,742 --> 00:53:23,623 Yeah. 1145 00:53:23,623 --> 00:53:25,585 Yeah, and and again, that's you know, 1146 00:53:25,585 --> 00:53:28,057 the whole reason why Apple launched the home collection is because they want 1147 00:53:28,057 --> 00:53:30,449 to make it so like here's the stuff that goes with your home view. 1148 00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:32,641 And like I said, I think I'd said it at the beginning, 1149 00:53:32,641 --> 00:53:34,733 but if you don't have a video doorbell, 1150 00:53:35,073 --> 00:53:37,295 this device becomes just less compelling. 1151 00:53:37,776 --> 00:53:41,519 You know, for cameras, for someone rings the video doorbell and it shows up on this 1152 00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:44,281 thing, you know, this can be your thermostat control, 1153 00:53:44,281 --> 00:53:48,735 you can run scenes. I love that the intercom is a standalone app on here. 1154 00:53:48,735 --> 00:53:49,735 I love intercom. 1155 00:53:50,332 --> 00:53:53,344 Again, you need a bunch of home pods across your house for that to be useful. 1156 00:53:53,864 --> 00:53:57,186 But now, you know, no one knew where intercom was. 1157 00:53:57,466 --> 00:53:59,447 You know, it's not a very discoverable feature. 1158 00:53:59,728 --> 00:54:01,639 It's in the home app and there's a little waveform in there, 1159 00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:02,709 but most people don't know it's there, 1160 00:54:02,709 --> 00:54:07,232 just like not techie people. So the fact that you can just have a home co intercom 1161 00:54:07,232 --> 00:54:10,514 control on this face, and now someone can just tap that and say, 1162 00:54:10,514 --> 00:54:13,015 Hey, dinner's ready, and that message goes to the whole house, 1163 00:54:13,356 --> 00:54:17,698 that's cool, but you need a lot of other peripherals to make this worthwhile. 1164 00:54:18,448 --> 00:54:20,969 And so, like you said, I think it's still baking. 1165 00:54:20,969 --> 00:54:24,360 Uh thankfully the hardware is nice. 1166 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,761 So it's really just software. And Apple can update the software over time. 1167 00:54:29,121 --> 00:54:32,862 And so, you know, I don't think buying one now is a is a poor decision if you're 1168 00:54:32,862 --> 00:54:36,823 in the smart home ecosystem. But if you're not already super smart home nerd, 1169 00:54:36,938 --> 00:54:38,704 uh to wait and see what Apple does with it. 1170 00:54:39,244 --> 00:54:41,294 Maybe s see if the recipe stuff gets figured out. 1171 00:54:41,294 --> 00:54:44,115 'Cause that that I feel like is the biggest issue with it. 1172 00:54:44,115 --> 00:54:46,856 But I like it. I have I'm gonna have three of them in the house, 1173 00:54:46,856 --> 00:54:47,856 so 1174 00:54:47,981 --> 00:54:49,120 Wait, you bought three of them? 1175 00:54:49,938 --> 00:54:52,902 Well, I bought two and then this is the review unit and depending on how it goes 1176 00:54:52,902 --> 00:54:54,304 I might buy a third. We'll see. 1177 00:54:54,825 --> 00:54:58,269 I'm gonna put one on the wall in my new studio. 1178 00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:01,091 We'll talk about that later. But I mean, 1179 00:54:59,418 --> 00:55:00,743 We're gonna talk about that later. 1180 00:55:00,743 --> 00:55:01,576 That's the b yeah. 1181 00:55:01,091 --> 00:55:01,853 I like 1182 00:55:01,853 --> 00:55:06,886 I the the the things we use the device we currently have, 1183 00:55:06,886 --> 00:55:10,034 and I'm not trying to like I so some of the way we use it is because 1184 00:55:10,034 --> 00:55:11,401 of the limitations of that device. 1185 00:55:11,801 --> 00:55:13,412 But

imagining putting a different device there, 1186 00:55:13,412 --> 00:55:16,435 that's fine. I could put a different device there, 1187 00:55:16,435 --> 00:55:19,407 it shows us pictures from our Google fa photos favorites, 1188 00:55:19,407 --> 00:55:20,218 right? And 1189 00:55:19,591 --> 00:55:20,218 Yeah, yeah. 1190 00:55:20,218 --> 00:55:23,320 we don't we only use Google Photos because we just put the app on our phone 1191 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:24,632 and it just uploads everything from photos. 1192 00:55:24,632 --> 00:55:25,672 It's fine. It's a nice backup, 1193 00:55:25,266 --> 00:55:26,617 Yeah. Yeah. 1194 00:55:25,672 --> 00:55:26,763 and then you can just the favorites, 1195 00:55:26,763 --> 00:55:27,763 it shows them on there. 1196 00:55:27,978 --> 00:55:31,150 Literally the only reason I pick favorites in Google Photos is so that they show 1197 00:55:31,150 --> 00:55:34,401 up on the device. That's it. We do that. 1198 00:55:34,642 --> 00:55:36,242 We will shout at it for timers. 1199 00:55:36,403 --> 00:55:40,515 We will have it sometimes my son will have it look things up for him because it'll 1200 00:55:40,515 --> 00:55:43,787 just show you we can play things in YouTube to our television. 1201 00:55:44,807 --> 00:55:47,148 And it's we could control the temperature. 1202 00:55:47,148 --> 00:55:49,310 Actually we can't because our Nest thermostat's old enough that it's 1203 00:55:49,310 --> 00:55:51,311 not on w the Wi Fi doesn't work anymore. 1204 00:55:51,551 --> 00:55:52,831 Still there, it just don't work. 1205 00:55:51,656 --> 00:55:52,866 See Yeah. 1206 00:55:52,872 --> 00:55:55,293 But it doesn't matter. You know how far away it is from the thermostat? 1207 00:55:55,293 --> 00:55:56,824 It's like s three and a half feet. 1208 00:55:56,824 --> 00:55:57,770 So like 1209 00:55:57,770 --> 00:56:00,601 It would be ridiculous to go like if I put a home view there, 1210 00:56:00,892 --> 00:56:01,787 Yeah. 1211 00:56:01,787 --> 00:56:03,152 I'm not gonna be controlling the temperature, 1212 00:56:03,152 --> 00:56:04,152 is what I'm saying. 1213 00:56:04,434 --> 00:56:07,937 Right, but you could if you have a well, 1214 00:56:06,358 --> 00:56:09,044 Well no I can't because my nest Wi Fi doesn't work anymore. 1215 00:56:07,937 --> 00:56:10,086 not your nose, but if you if if you had a thermostat that works 1216 00:56:10,086 --> 00:56:11,880 with it, you could. So anyway, 1217 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,282 I as a smart home nerd, I love it. 1218 00:56:15,043 --> 00:56:19,486 Uh it's weird, it's odd. I'll probably be the only one in the house that actually 1219 00:56:19,486 --> 00:56:24,591 uses it. But the two features that everybody has liked, 1220 00:56:24,851 --> 00:56:26,292 the memory other members of my family, 1221 00:56:26,292 --> 00:56:30,566 setting a timer and having it be a visual timer so they don't have to keep shouting 1222 00:56:30,566 --> 00:56:32,297 to the home pod mini how much time is left, 1223 00:56:32,797 --> 00:56:33,797 that's nice. 1224 00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:34,332 Sure. 1225 00:56:34,168 --> 00:56:34,578 And 1226 00:56:34,578 --> 00:56:37,921 Siri AI actually being able to answer questions is nice. 1227 00:56:38,462 --> 00:56:41,003 So like my daughter was like, what does Pico de Gallo actually mean? 1228 00:56:41,018 --> 00:56:42,745 I was well, you know what? Ask the home view. 1229 00:56:42,938 --> 00:56:45,047 And she did. And it gave her an answer. 1230 00:56:45,407 --> 00:56:48,329 And then you can read the answer and see it and hear it. 1231 00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:51,512 And that's nice. So smart home nerds unite. 1232 00:56:51,952 --> 00:56:53,733 We finally have the home pod with a screen, 1233 00:56:54,014 --> 00:56:55,575 even if it's like three-quarters baked. 1234 00:56:56,176 --> 00:56:59,218 60% baked. 65% baked. 1235 00:56:58,198 --> 00:57:00,358 Yeah, sixty sixty percent sounds about right. 1236 00:57:00,058 --> 00:57:00,599 All 1237 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:02,741 right, we'll do 60%. All right. 1238 00:57:02,741 --> 00:57:03,683 This 1239 00:57:03,683 --> 00:57:03,873 I 1240 00:57:03,873 --> 00:57:05,214 I wanted to talk about all the Apple stuff, 1241 00:57:05,214 --> 00:57:07,996 but this is probably the actual biggest news of the week. 1242 00:57:08,797 --> 00:57:12,300 Jensen Wong is out as CEO of NVIDIA, 1243 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,342 one of the most valuable companies in the world. 1244 00:57:15,402 --> 00:57:17,143 Second most, second only to Apple, 1245 00:57:17,303 --> 00:57:17,804 I believe. 1246 00:57:17,516 --> 00:57:19,751 Current yeah, well I it's dropping pretty fast right now, 1247 00:57:19,751 --> 00:57:20,751 but yes. 1248 00:57:20,866 --> 00:57:22,007 Dropping pretty fast right now. 1249 00:57:22,487 --> 00:57:26,250 This is not a funny story. Uh the timeline, 1250 00:57:26,250 --> 00:57:29,132 very quickly, if you have not been reading this news all week, 1251 00:57:29,132 --> 00:57:30,132 which it's been everywhere. 1252 00:57:30,887 --> 00:57:32,718 But Jensen Wang, the CEO of NVIDIA, 1253 00:57:32,718 --> 00:57:36,689 also co-founder of NVIDIA, and we're going to talk about the organization of NVIDIA 1254 00:57:36,689 --> 00:57:40,480 and why this is problematic. He is married to Lori Wang. 1255 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:48,422 And it came out last weekend that he had an affair with someone named Alice Wang, 1256 00:57:48,762 --> 00:57:51,263 no relation, a Chinese citizen, 1257 00:57:51,943 --> 00:57:58,065 and was the part of the Mega Speed Chinese company. 1258 00:57:58,442 --> 00:58:00,006 It's a Singapore company, just to be clear. 1259 00:57:59,845 --> 00:58:01,295 Sorry, Singapore based 1260 00:58:00,889 --> 00:58:01,295 Yeah. 1261 00:58:01,295 --> 00:58:03,506 AI infrastructure company called Mega Speed. 1262 00:58:03,906 --> 00:58:06,897 And they purchased four point eight billion dollars in NVIDIA chips over 1263

00:58:06,897 --> 00:58:09,948 the last two years, which NVIDIA is not really supposed to be selling certain 1264 00:58:09,948 --> 00:58:13,239 chips to China. And I think part of the news that came out this week is maybe they 1265 00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:14,869 have been selling some chips they haven't been supposed to. 1266 00:58:15,469 --> 00:58:17,890 But a lot of the reporting was that this woman, 1267 00:58:17,890 --> 00:58:19,751 Alice Wang, who he had been having an affair with, 1268 00:58:19,971 --> 00:58:23,512 was also a a Chinese spy or part of Chinese intelligence. 1269 00:58:24,352 --> 00:58:27,823 That was affair number one, which we thought maybe that was it. 1270 00:58:28,328 --> 00:58:29,919 But then it came out that there was a second affair. 1271 00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:32,801 Kimberly Powell, the company's vice president of healthcare, 1272 00:58:32,981 --> 00:58:34,842 who reports directly to Jensen Huang, 1273 00:58:35,803 --> 00:58:40,238 they were also involved. And there were lots of articles saying he's probably 1274 00:58:40,238 --> 00:58:42,307 going to get fired. Maybe the board's going to push him out. 1275 00:58:42,828 --> 00:58:44,239 And just this morning, as we were recording, 1276 00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:46,170 they announced that he is resigning. 1277 00:58:46,991 --> 00:58:52,724 No succession plan in place. I'll link Jason's article that went up as we started 1278 00:58:52,724 --> 00:58:56,347 recording, but also the Reuters article because the picture they used is so. 1279 00:58:56,605 --> 00:59:01,006 Perfect. It's Jensen Huang walking out of a building carrying a grocery bag, 1280 00:59:01,006 --> 00:59:02,821 it seems like, of his stuff. 1281 00:59:03,178 --> 00:59:06,329 And just to be clear, this picture has existed for a while. 1282 00:59:06,329 --> 00:59:07,549 I don't know when it was taken. 1283 00:59:07,549 --> 00:59:08,820 I don't know if it says the date, 1284 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,521 but it was not taken this morning. 1285 00:59:10,521 --> 00:59:13,682 Like this is not a picture of him leaving the building after resigning. 1286 00:59:13,682 --> 00:59:16,283 Just I wanna like that's not his bag of possessions. 1287 00:59:14,715 --> 00:59:19,587 Yeah. I know, but it's still a perfect perfect picture. 1288 00:59:17,664 --> 00:59:19,398 It is a yes. I 1289 00:59:19,665 --> 00:59:21,166 I understand. That's just yeah. 1290 00:59:21,286 --> 00:59:22,247 So 1291 00:59:22,247 --> 00:59:26,060 So here's uh no plan for succession. 1292 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,302 And part of the problem with this is well, 1293 00:59:29,302 --> 00:59:31,403 several many problems. Number one, 1294 00:59:31,784 --> 00:59:37,687 NVIDIA has been a central part to the AI boom because their chips power everything. 1295 00:59:38,728 --> 00:59:43,351 And the AI bubble that everybody talks about might pop sometime soon. 1296 00:59:43,657 --> 00:59:46,453 A lot of it hinged on NVIDIA and their success. 1297 00:59:46,534 --> 00:59:48,135 And they have been very successful. 1298 00:59:48,695 --> 00:59:51,527 And so there are lots of questions of how is this going to affect 1299 00:59:52,315 --> 00:59:54,026 the market, especially here in the US. 1300 00:59:54,426 --> 00:59:56,607 I'm gonna ask you to talk me off a ledge in a moment. 1301 00:59:57,187 --> 00:59:58,428 That's big problem number one. 1302 00:59:59,188 --> 01:00:03,910 Problem number two, do companies are organized different ways. 1303 01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:07,251 Companies like Apple have a succession plan, 1304 01:00:07,972 --> 01:00:09,912 as we saw in the last few months, 1305 01:00:10,293 --> 01:00:11,573 or last couple of years actually. 1306 01:00:11,893 --> 01:00:16,715 But more so, companies that have a typical organizational structure, 1307 01:00:17,095 --> 01:00:18,776 there will be people in place, 1308 01:00:19,176 --> 01:00:21,147 even if it's not strictly planned, 1309 01:00:21,522 --> 01:00:23,083 That it would be obvious moves. 1310 01:00:23,083 --> 01:00:27,644 This VP becomes the CEO, or these couple people are in line to do it. 1311 01:00:28,565 --> 01:00:33,607 Jensen Wong has organized NVIDIA in a way that he is central to the company. 1312 01:00:34,067 --> 01:00:37,777 He has said in interviews, I've been listening to some Apple News uh podcasts 1313 01:00:37,777 --> 01:00:40,629 this week, he and they talk about this, 1314 01:00:40,929 --> 01:00:45,611 but he has structured the company that he just basically tells the company stuff, 1315 01:00:46,171 --> 01:00:50,013 and there's not really layers between him and a lot of the company. 1316 01:00:50,253 --> 01:00:51,217 Like it's 1317 01:00:51,217 --> 01:00:54,420 Him as a central figure talking to the company. 1318 01:00:54,420 --> 01:00:58,003 And so he is very just a pivotal person, 1319 01:00:58,363 --> 01:01:01,856 not only as the CEO, but just as controlling and running the company. 1320 01:01:01,856 --> 01:01:05,589 There's not been others involved in that decision-making process, 1321 01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:09,472 it seems, for a long time. And so if that is true, 1322 01:01:09,873 --> 01:01:14,156 his decision making over the last few years in the AI boom has made NVIDIA 1323 01:01:14,216 --> 01:01:15,917 the second most valuable company in the world. 1324 01:01:16,258 --> 01:01:19,020 And now he is leaving. The question is, 1325 01:01:19,180 --> 01:01:20,180 what happens? 1326 01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:23,761 And so that is why it is bad. So Jason, 1327 01:01:25,107 --> 01:01:26,542 what do you what what do you say? 1328 01:01:26,036 --> 01:01:26,936 All right, well it's it's 1329 01:01:26,542 --> 01:01:26,936 You want? 1330 01:01:26,936 --> 01:01:30,258 I mean, just to add a little bit of context to some of those things. 1331 01:01:30,258 --> 01:01:35,330 Uh I believe it was uh I cannot think of the guy's name 1332 01:01:35,450 --> 01:01:39,592 who um wrote

the book I think it's called NVIDIA way, 1333 01:01:39,812 --> 01:01:45,374 and t he talked about how basically Jensen Wong has designed the company 1334 01:01:45,972 --> 01:01:48,634 Very similar to the way like an F1 car is designed. 1335 01:01:48,634 --> 01:01:50,445 It's designed for one person to drive it, 1336 01:01:48,795 --> 01:01:51,240 Yes. Yes. 1337 01:01:50,445 --> 01:01:51,276 right? And everything 1338 01:01:51,276 --> 01:01:53,837 about it is designed and shaped for that person, 1339 01:01:53,837 --> 01:01:57,826 at least in terms of the controls and the way that you it's you're sit sitting there 1340 01:01:57,826 --> 01:02:00,692 and that kind of stuff. And that is what Jensen Wang had basically done. 1341 01:02:00,692 --> 01:02:02,643 He had, I think, sixty direct reports, 1342 01:02:02,643 --> 01:02:05,845 which is completely bananas. 1343 01:02:05,845 --> 01:02:06,856 But it I 1344 01:02:06,471 --> 01:02:06,856 Same. 1345 01:02:06,856 --> 01:02:10,338 was like, How does anyone have time for sixty one on one meetings? 1346 01:02:10,619 --> 01:02:11,669 But that's not how that worked. 1347 01:02:11,669 --> 01:02:15,582 He just they he just every he had connection with 1348 01:02:15,784 --> 01:02:17,575 all of the people who were running everything. 1349 01:02:17,715 --> 01:02:19,836 I mean Tim Cook had a lot of direct reports, 1350 01:02:20,076 --> 01:02:22,417 but he did not have sixty direct reports, 1351 01:02:22,477 --> 01:02:26,088 right? Like and this does not mean that there were sixty vice presidents 1352 01:02:26,088 --> 01:02:29,570 or whatever. This just means like there's a lot of people across the entire company 1353 01:02:29,570 --> 01:02:34,072 who are reporting to him. And that is not going to be sustainable for some 1354 01:02:34,072 --> 01:02:35,132 for anyone else. There's no way. 1355 01:02:35,367 --> 01:02:40,991 Tim Cook, just for context, had around 17 to 20 direct reports over the course 1356 01:02:40,991 --> 01:02:42,816 of his tenure until he stepped down. 1357 01:02:43,418 --> 01:02:43,899 So he's talking 1358 01:02:43,777 --> 01:02:45,323 You're saying you're 1359 01:02:43,899 --> 01:02:44,899 three times more. 1360 01:02:45,323 --> 01:02:48,134 but you mean you're saying at one time he had the seventeen to twenty? 1361 01:02:48,134 --> 01:02:49,830 'Cause that's even higher than I would have expected. 1362 01:02:50,961 --> 01:02:54,964 Uh it grew to seventeen people in twenty fifteen and then be 1363 01:02:54,485 --> 01:02:55,186 Okay. 1364 01:02:55,186 --> 01:02:58,619 up until twenty twenty five it would range from eleven to twenty. 1365 01:02:58,816 --> 01:03:04,838 Okay. Most humans cannot manage twenty to six definitely not sixty people. 1366 01:03:03,419 --> 01:03:05,411 No. No. 1367 01:03:04,838 --> 01:03:05,728 Um, 1368 01:03:05,728 --> 01:03:08,669 unless what you're doing is you're just like saying things and then everyone else 1369 01:03:08,669 --> 01:03:10,219 is sort of scurrying around to pick it up. 1370 01:03:10,219 --> 01:03:12,390 Like, you know what I mean? That's not really managing though. 1371 01:03:11,271 --> 01:03:13,172 Yeah. Correct. 1372 01:03:13,090 --> 01:03:13,380 That 1373 01:03:13,380 --> 01:03:17,431 is just again, it is building a a structure just around yourself. 1374 01:03:17,551 --> 01:03:22,012 And that's fine. The problem is there was always going to be a point in time when 1375 01:03:22,012 --> 01:03:24,953 Jensen Wong was not going to be the CEO of NVIDIA, 1376 01:03:25,133 --> 01:03:28,274 right? Like to date the 1377 01:03:28,918 --> 01:03:30,139 Death rate is a hundred percent. 1378 01:03:30,179 --> 01:03:32,941 Like, like everyone eventually is not going to be doing the thing. 1379 01:03:32,145 --> 01:03:32,941 Ha ha ha. 1380 01:03:32,941 --> 01:03:34,374 I mean, I mean, I'm not being flippant. 1381 01:03:34,374 --> 01:03:36,358 I'm just saying like there was always going to be a 1382 01:03:35,245 --> 01:03:36,438 You're Jason, 1383 01:03:36,438 --> 01:03:40,035 you you have forgotten the cryogenically frozen people that are going 1384 01:03:40,035 --> 01:03:41,057 to be reanimated once. 1385 01:03:41,512 --> 01:03:42,797 Well, they're currently dead though. 1386 01:03:42,797 --> 01:03:44,502 So still the death rate is a 1387 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:44,542 Ha ha ha. 1388 01:03:44,542 --> 01:03:47,462 uh death success rate is a hundred percent ins 1389 01:03:46,575 --> 01:03:48,046 Yes, yes. Also, just 1390 01:03:48,227 --> 01:03:51,069 kind of very quick side note. I listened to an omnibus episode about 1391 01:03:51,069 --> 01:03:52,571 the cryogenically frozen people. 1392 01:03:52,711 --> 01:03:56,774 Turns out it doesn't work. A lot of those people have thawed and it's not good. 1393 01:03:56,774 --> 01:04:00,298 So anyway, continue. Do you know wanna know? 1394 01:03:58,303 --> 01:04:00,712 I don't even mind. We're not talking about silo here. 1395 01:04:00,658 --> 01:04:01,199 You don't wanna 1396 01:04:01,199 --> 01:04:03,261 know. I'll link the omnibus episode in the show notes for real. 1397 01:04:03,218 --> 01:04:03,808 Yeah, and 1398 01:04:03,261 --> 01:04:03,808 Okay, go ahead. 1399 01:04:03,808 --> 01:04:06,269 also like there's the what's the guy's name, 1400 01:04:06,269 --> 01:04:10,631 Brian Brian Johnson, who's like trying to live forever and it turns out like he's 1401 01:04:08,303 --> 01:04:11,373 Yeah, he's age maxing or 1402 01:04:10,631 --> 01:04:11,631 actually in 1403 01:04:11,742 --> 01:04:16,884 but he's also like he has some kind of like he co has some kind of situation, 1404 01:04:16,884 --> 01:04:18,654 like medical situation. Like it's not good. 1405 01:04:17,860 --> 01:04:19,553 Yes, yes, yes. 1406 01:04:18,654 --> 01:04:19,654 So anyway. 1407 01:04:20,045 --> 01:04:23,106 Um so the s the current CFO is the interim, 1408 01:04:23,526 --> 01:04:28,118 Colette Cress, maybe I think. I'd

never heard her name before writing an article 1409 01:04:28,118 --> 01:04:29,979 about this, right? So which just 1410 01:04:29,563 --> 01:04:29,979 Yeah. 1411 01:04:29,979 --> 01:04:32,300 tells you everything. Like c I don't think most people could name 1412 01:04:33,121 --> 01:04:34,232 The only other name I knew, I think, 1413 01:04:34,232 --> 01:04:36,813 is Ian Buck, who is like a VP of technology there, 1414 01:04:37,074 --> 01:04:41,457 and is one of the people reported to be potentially a successor, 1415 01:04:41,711 --> 01:04:45,860 uh, to to Jensen Wong. But uh NVIDIA, 1416 01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,461 I think it was like maybe four years ago, 1417 01:04:48,582 --> 01:04:50,663 was roughly a $300 billion company. 1418 01:04:51,203 --> 01:04:53,185 I think that that's true. You can check me on that if you want. 1419 01:04:53,185 --> 01:04:55,646 But it is now a four trillion dollar company. 1420 01:04:55,652 --> 01:04:55,928 Yeah. 1421 01:04:55,807 --> 01:04:56,207 And 1422 01:04:56,207 --> 01:05:00,690 all of that is because the company sells essentially all of the GPUs. 1423 01:05:00,982 --> 01:05:02,433 That power all of the data centers. 1424 01:05:02,433 --> 01:05:05,065 In fact, in their last earnings, 1425 01:05:06,067 --> 01:05:10,520 in NVIDIA's last earnings, their their revenue for the quarter was ninety-six 1426 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,123 billion dollars, and 89 billion of that came from what they call data center, 1427 01:05:14,123 --> 01:05:16,836 which is just AI GPUs. It's like we stopped making 1428 01:05:15,965 --> 01:05:16,965 That's all it is. 1429 01:05:17,356 --> 01:05:22,651 whatever, you know, twenty th thirty four whatever they call the RTX forty eighties 1430 01:05:22,651 --> 01:05:23,121 or I don't even 1431 01:05:22,736 --> 01:05:23,121 Yeah. 1432 01:05:23,121 --> 01:05:24,362 know what the GPUs. It doesn't matter. 1433 01:05:24,362 --> 01:05:25,674 They're irrelevant at this point. 1434 01:05:25,674 --> 01:05:27,865 There's a reason you can't buy GPUs for gaming PCs. 1435 01:05:27,865 --> 01:05:28,684 It's because 1436 01:05:28,684 --> 01:05:31,305 They're building H one hundreds and whatever and stuff and putting them 1437 01:05:31,305 --> 01:05:36,536 in data centers because these are these graphics chips are just in addition 1438 01:05:36,556 --> 01:05:40,247 to so the hardware the the reason NVIDIA is such a important piece is it's not just 1439 01:05:40,247 --> 01:05:43,138 the hardware, but it's CUDA, which is their programming language and 1440 01:05:43,138 --> 01:05:46,389 all of the other infrastructure pieces so you can build these large data centers 1441 01:05:46,389 --> 01:05:49,160 that do all the training and all the inference. 1442 01:05:49,740 --> 01:05:54,401 And NVIDIA's like, what if we give you a billion dollars to invest in your company 1443 01:05:54,841 --> 01:05:57,222 and we think you should use it to buy NVIDIA chips? 1444 01:05:57,492 --> 01:05:59,103 Like that's how this has worked, 1445 01:05:59,103 --> 01:06:05,368 right? Nvidia, the circular financing is the thing that has really propped up what 1446 01:06:05,368 --> 01:06:07,170 a lot of people perceive to be a bubble. 1447 01:06:07,710 --> 01:06:11,653 And all all of that is stuff that Jensen Wong had his hands on. 1448 01:06:11,934 --> 01:06:15,577 And so the fact that he like the the company and the industry just 1449 01:06:15,577 --> 01:06:18,139 did not consider that there would be a time when he might not be. 1450 01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:22,082 And Steven, I don't know if you spend any amount of time on Twitter. 1451 01:06:23,143 --> 01:06:24,094 It's it's a it's a 1452 01:06:23,665 --> 01:06:24,094 A little. 1453 01:06:24,094 --> 01:06:25,255 it's a rough way to live your life. 1454 01:06:25,255 --> 01:06:26,866 But sometimes I have to go on Twitter. 1455 01:06:27,340 --> 01:06:30,581 And just the amount of people who were like, 1456 01:06:30,581 --> 01:06:33,382 well, he's he can't they can't possibly fire him and they definitely can't fire 1457 01:06:33,382 --> 01:06:37,603 him over this, because there's just so much money involved, 1458 01:06:37,823 --> 01:06:39,963 and most of the people who were posting, 1459 01:06:39,983 --> 01:06:42,974 you could just tell that the money makes 1460 01:06:42,556 --> 01:06:42,974 Yeah. 1461 01:06:42,974 --> 01:06:46,095 them think that there's no rules or no boundaries. 1462 01:06:45,957 --> 01:06:47,162 Mm, yeah. 1463 01:06:46,095 --> 01:06:47,185 And here's the thing. 1464 01:06:48,045 --> 01:06:53,187 When it when he admitted he'd had an affair with the executive at a customer 1465 01:06:53,187 --> 01:06:54,187 of NVIDIA. 1466 01:06:54,331 --> 01:06:54,610 Hmm. 1467 01:06:54,573 --> 01:06:54,783 Who 1468 01:06:54,783 --> 01:06:57,244 was suspected of being a Chinese spy, 1469 01:06:57,865 --> 01:06:59,746 that's real bad. Like it's bad. 1470 01:06:59,332 --> 01:07:00,301 That's real bad. 1471 01:07:00,286 --> 01:07:00,576 There's 1472 01:07:00,576 --> 01:07:02,367 a lot of there's a lot of ways it's bad, 1473 01:07:02,407 --> 01:07:05,459 right? Fine. I mean, 1474 01:07:05,459 --> 01:07:06,980 I'm not saying it's fine. That's one thing, 1475 01:07:06,980 --> 01:07:07,890 right? And the board 1476 01:07:07,174 --> 01:07:07,890 That's one thing. 1477 01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:13,574 decided to investigate. And if it if the first thing that Jensen Wong didn't tell 1478 01:07:13,574 --> 01:07:16,485 that like if he if if if he did not immediately tell him, 1479 01:07:16,485 --> 01:07:19,357 also, by the way, here's some other things that could come out, 1480 01:07:19,897 --> 01:07:21,398 there was no way they couldn't fire him. 1481 01:07:21,598 --> 01:07:23,329 That's like I texted you last night. 1482 01:07:23,563 --> 01:07:25,764 And I was like, he's their board is meeting, 1483 01:07:25,764 --> 01:07:26,504 he's definitely getting fired. 1484

01:07:26,504 --> 01:07:28,045 You're like, no, no, no, that's not gonna happen. 1485 01:07:28,045 --> 01:07:31,346 I'm like, there's an the the New York Times is just reporting another affair 1486 01:07:31,346 --> 01:07:32,447 and it's with an employee. 1487 01:07:32,721 --> 01:07:33,067 Yeah. 1488 01:07:33,067 --> 01:07:37,829 And at NVIDIA, that's not like their the policy doesn't strictly say that they're 1489 01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:42,041 forbidden, but you can't be the CEO of a company that's important and have 1490 01:07:42,041 --> 01:07:44,272 an affair with a subordinate. And ke you just can't. 1491 01:07:44,131 --> 01:07:45,091 Uh no. 1492 01:07:44,272 --> 01:07:45,282 They and this is not 1493 01:07:45,282 --> 01:07:46,773 people are like making it all complicated. 1494 01:07:46,773 --> 01:07:48,974 He's too big to fail, he's too important to the industry. 1495 01:07:49,414 --> 01:07:51,625 This is just boring corporate governance stuff. 1496 01:07:51,927 --> 01:07:53,908 Like it just is. It's a tragedy. 1497 01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:59,732 But you don't get to talk your way out of consequences just because there would 1498 01:07:59,732 --> 01:08:02,374 be collateral consequences to other things. 1499 01:08:02,474 --> 01:08:03,475 Like you don't get to like, 1500 01:08:02,972 --> 01:08:03,475 Right. 1501 01:08:03,475 --> 01:08:04,556 I'm too important to this company, 1502 01:08:04,556 --> 01:08:07,958 so you can't punish me. How dare you punish us? 1503 01:08:08,218 --> 01:08:11,040 The board is going to be sued no matter matter what. 1504 01:08:11,164 --> 01:08:11,504 Mm. 1505 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:11,740 If they 1506 01:08:11,740 --> 01:08:14,942 are. Like the board of director they already were being sued for not already 1507 01:08:14,942 --> 01:08:18,205 having in known about what was going on and for firing him. 1508 01:08:18,705 --> 01:08:21,507 They had to do they had to follow the letter of 1509 01:08:22,017 --> 01:08:23,308 policy of corporate governance. 1510 01:08:23,308 --> 01:08:27,112 Like they had to do it exactly by the book because otherwise they're just all gonna 1511 01:08:27,112 --> 01:08:30,375 get sued. And they don't like they they can't make that their problem. 1512 01:08:30,375 --> 01:08:32,187 They had there was just no way last night. 1513 01:08:32,187 --> 01:08:33,132 I read that and I'm like, yeah, 1514 01:08:33,132 --> 01:08:34,399 he's they're definitely gonna fire him. 1515 01:08:34,679 --> 01:08:37,211 Also the fact that they didn't make an announcement last night meant 1516 01:08:37,211 --> 01:08:40,144 it was a hundred percent that they were gonna because if they weren't their stock 1517 01:08:40,144 --> 01:08:41,555 was tanking. If they weren't going 1518 01:08:41,157 --> 01:08:41,555 Yeah. 1519 01:08:41,555 --> 01:08:43,337 to fire him, someone would have said something. 1520 01:08:44,069 --> 01:08:47,911 Right. It is, I want to sh I don't know. 1521 01:08:47,911

--> 01:08:49,211 If you look at the NVIDIA stock, 1522 01:08:49,211 --> 01:08:53,593 it is just wild. The the ride it is on, 1523 01:08:53,993 --> 01:08:56,934 especially if you look at the last five years, 1524 01:08:57,615 --> 01:09:01,846 because as you say, like the value that he has built into that company, 1525 01:09:01,846 --> 01:09:05,398 just shareholder value, from the AI boom, 1526 01:09:05,578 --> 01:09:10,860 like 2023 to today, and now the steep decline. 1527 01:09:12,506 --> 01:09:13,959 I'll just one other rumor about this. 1528 01:09:14,220 --> 01:09:20,013 Uh Mac rumor said people who might be in the running for CEO. 1529 01:09:19,350 --> 01:09:20,699 Yeah, let's we can talk about this. 1530 01:09:20,861 --> 01:09:21,363 Most of them 1531 01:09:21,096 --> 01:09:21,363 Yeah. 1532 01:09:21,363 --> 01:09:22,363 are wrong, but go ahead. 1533 01:09:23,436 --> 01:09:28,081 Most of them are wrong. Mac rumors said I think this is actually German at Bloomberg 1534 01:09:28,081 --> 01:09:32,545 as the source, but it's Johnny Surugi, 1535 01:09:32,906 --> 01:09:36,640 Apple's chip guy. I don't I don't know. 1536 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,702 I don't think so. I mean he was just promoted at Apple. 1537 01:09:38,976 --> 01:09:42,187 I mean, I think there's a reasonable chance Johnny Sarugi would be happy 1538 01:09:42,187 --> 01:09:44,559 to take a different job. That seems like it's the 1539 01:09:44,209 --> 01:09:44,559 Sure. 1540 01:09:44,559 --> 01:09:50,691 case. I don't think that he has the I mean, 1541 01:09:51,212 --> 01:09:55,213 you don't go from running a chip lab to taking over all the hardware at Apple 1542 01:09:55,393 --> 01:09:59,115 to running NVIDIA. You have to have 1543 01:09:58,684 --> 01:09:59,115 Sure. 1544 01:09:59,115 --> 01:10:03,697 a different level of one, an understanding of that particular structure, 1545 01:10:03,877 --> 01:10:04,758 right? So an internal 1546 01:10:04,037 --> 01:10:04,758 Yeah. 1547 01:10:04,758 --> 01:10:05,758 candidate makes sense. 1548 01:10:06,204 --> 01:10:08,815 Or you have to be like people were floating the name of Tim Kirk. 1549 01:10:08,935 --> 01:10:10,086 I even texted you. I like, Well, 1550 01:10:10,086 --> 01:10:13,377 I'm just gonna put my name on the record just in case he sa in case he becomes 1551 01:10:10,276 --> 01:10:13,317 Yeah, you did. Tim Cook. 1552 01:10:13,377 --> 01:10:15,938 the CEO. He's not going to become the CEO. 1553 01:10:16,278 --> 01:10:19,479 John Gruber's point was like, if he wanted to be the CEO of a company that big, 1554 01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,340 he would have just stayed CEO of Apple, 1555 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:22,901 which I agree. That makes sense. 1556 01:10:21,884 --> 01:10:23,341 True. Yeah. 1557 01:10:23,201 --> 01:10:23,421 But 1558 01:10:23,421 --> 01:10:25,392 you you're gonna if you're bringing somebody from the outside, 1559 01:10:25,392 --> 01:10:27,433 it's gonna have to be somebody who like

Eric Schmidt, 1560 01:10:27,433 --> 01:10:29,864 the former CEO of Google, was floated as a possibility. 1561 01:10:30,124 --> 01:10:34,685 The current CEO of ARM was po like you have to be somebody with the gravitas 1562 01:10:34,966 --> 01:10:35,966 in the in the 1563 01:10:35,996 --> 01:10:40,795 the industry wide respect, or you're gonna be somebody who understands NVIDIA. 1564 01:10:40,876 --> 01:10:41,306 I don't think 1565 01:10:40,988 --> 01:10:41,306 Yeah. 1566 01:10:41,306 --> 01:10:44,232 Johnny Suruji is going be the CEO of I'm willing to stake my claim on that. 1567 01:10:44,612 --> 01:10:45,829 Is there someone you think is likely? 1568 01:10:46,391 --> 01:10:48,942 I think Ian Buck is the most likely person. 1569 01:10:48,942 --> 01:10:50,533 He's a he's an internal candidate. 1570 01:10:50,533 --> 01:10:51,204 I think that that's 1571 01:10:50,735 --> 01:10:51,204 Okay. 1572 01:10:51,204 --> 01:10:52,374 the most and they're all you know, 1573 01:10:52,594 --> 01:10:55,776 NVIDIA has also bought some companies, 1574 01:10:56,076 --> 01:10:58,858 and many of those companies come with employees, 1575 01:10:58,978 --> 01:11:00,319 right? Like and so 1576 01:10:59,260 --> 01:11:00,260 Sure, sure. 1577 01:11:00,319 --> 01:11:02,469 I think that there's a decent chance. 1578 01:11:02,469 --> 01:11:05,141 But Ian Buck is the guy who led the creation of CUDA, 1579 01:11:05,362 --> 01:11:11,615 which is really NVIDIA's like their killer uh platform that the yeah, 1580 01:11:10,214 --> 01:11:11,462 Products. Product, yeah. 1581 01:11:11,615 --> 01:11:13,466 that keeps lock-in and it keeps them 1582 01:11:13,926 --> 01:11:17,509 Um, so I think that the he's probably he's a he's a technical person, 1583 01:11:17,529 --> 01:11:21,411 right? He like the Johnny Sarugi kind of of of NVIDIA. 1584 01:11:21,411 --> 01:11:23,233 I think that that's the most likely. 1585 01:11:23,413 --> 01:11:26,895 They have several other people who came in from acquisitions. 1586 01:11:26,895 --> 01:11:28,236 I cannot remember all their names. 1587 01:11:28,556 --> 01:11:30,157 I don't think that the interim, 1588 01:11:30,518 --> 01:11:34,861 the C CFO, the current CFOs would stay because she's not a she she has a good 1589 01:11:34,861 --> 01:11:37,042 tech background. I think she was at Microsoft and Cisco, 1590 01:11:37,563 --> 01:11:41,075 but she's not a technology person and NVIDIA's gonna have to have someone like 1591 01:11:41,075 --> 01:11:42,286 that. But Renee Haas is the 1592 01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:46,378 CEO of ARM, I think that that's also another he's that's probably the strongest 1593 01:11:46,378 --> 01:11:50,709 external candidate because he knows how to make he knows how to like run a chip 1594 01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:51,709 company. 1595 01:11:52,738 --> 01:11:55,510 I it's this has just been wild to process. 1596 01:11:55,591 --> 01:12:00,855 I I was talking to my wife and I'm I thought about explaining this

to my kids 1597 01:12:00,855 --> 01:12:07,441 in a way just to illustrate one apparently no amount of of money and success 1598 01:12:08,001 --> 01:12:12,025 buys contentment 'cause this dude yeah, 1599 01:12:12,165 --> 01:12:17,720 just did that. And B of all I think back to this TED talk, 1600 01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,452 I think it was Rachel Bosman. I watched it years ago. 1601 01:12:21,085 --> 01:12:21,205 But 1602 01:12:21,205 --> 01:12:25,247 she said in the new economy, the biggest currency is trust. 1603 01:12:26,469 --> 01:12:29,831 And I agree. I think in the creator economy, 1604 01:12:30,371 --> 01:12:36,675 it's a hundred percent trust. Like that is what runs the creator economy. 1605 01:12:36,955 --> 01:12:39,417 The trust between creators and their audience, 1606 01:12:39,737 --> 01:12:44,730 the trust to, you know, have the interest of the audience at heart, 1607 01:12:44,730 --> 01:12:48,062 but also to have your standards and integrity. 1608 01:12:48,903 --> 01:12:50,184 But also, number three. 1609 01:12:50,746 --> 01:12:53,889 that even in the most one of the most powerful companies and the most powerful 1610 01:12:53,889 --> 01:12:56,381 positions in the world, you're not immune. 1611 01:12:57,282 --> 01:12:59,184 You are you cannot like you are not that powerful. 1612 01:12:59,184 --> 01:13:02,247 But uh th this was interesting as we were talking about in the pre show. 1613 01:13:02,708 --> 01:13:04,990 You were saying this could not happen to Mark Zuckerberg. 1614 01:13:05,751 --> 01:13:07,141 Can you explain why not? 1615 01:13:07,798 --> 01:13:12,020 Well, Mark Zuckerberg o has controlling he has a controlling stake in the company. 1616 01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,301 So he does not have a majority stake, 1617 01:13:14,661 --> 01:13:16,842 excuse me, majority stake economically, 1618 01:13:17,002 --> 01:13:20,813 right? He does not own fifty-one percent or fifty percent plus one share 1619 01:13:20,813 --> 01:13:25,425 in the company, but they have a multi p multiple class structure. 1620 01:13:25,525 --> 01:13:29,647 So he has a majority of these shares that control voting. 1621 01:13:29,807 --> 01:13:31,748 And that's true at other companies. 1622 01:13:32,518 --> 01:13:36,300 it's the way Anthropic is intending to set up their IPO so that the founders will 1623 01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:37,430 have a controlling stake. 1624 01:13:38,252 --> 01:13:42,596 the Google founders have I don't think they have a majority of the voting, 1625 01:13:42,596 --> 01:13:46,269 but they have a they have a lot a large part of the voting shares. 1626 01:13:46,689 --> 01:13:49,792 But Mark Zuckerberg literally has a majority of the voting shares. 1627 01:13:49,792 --> 01:13:53,284 And in fact he cr they the company was going to I don't know if they did this, 1628 01:13:53,284 --> 01:13:56,697 I but there was the ca the California billionaire tax failed. 1629 01:13:56,697 --> 01:13:57,418 So maybe they 1630 01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:57,418 Right. 1631 01:13:57,418 --> 01:14:02,242 didn't do this. But the company was going to create an entirely new class of shares 1632 01:14:02,562 --> 01:14:07,246 so that Mark Zuckerberg could sell them off to raise enough money to pay the tax. 1633 01:14:07,798 --> 01:14:10,379 without diluting his voting control. 1634 01:14:10,679 --> 01:14:12,299 Which just says everything 1635 01:14:11,644 --> 01:14:12,299 Why? 1636 01:14:12,299 --> 01:14:15,879 you need to know about the like that company because they view him 1637 01:14:15,879 --> 01:14:19,571 as is as irreplaceable. I think that's a real dangerous place. 1638 01:14:19,571 --> 01:14:21,712 You don't want to be in that. Like you do want to be in that situation because 1639 01:14:21,712 --> 01:14:23,372 you have absolute control. But it's a real bad thing. 1640 01:14:23,372 --> 01:14:25,183 And this is why. This is 1641 01:14:23,708 --> 01:14:25,113 For everybody else. Yeah, this is why. 1642 01:14:25,183 --> 01:14:27,893 why that's a terrible idea. And but yeah, 1643 01:14:27,893 --> 01:14:32,965 they the board I think essentially can't fire him because 1644 01:14:32,102 --> 01:14:33,102 Gotcha. 1645 01:14:33,325 --> 01:14:37,006 he control I think they maybe they technically could take a vote. 1646 01:14:37,527 --> 01:14:40,948 But because he owns a majority of the of the voting shares, 1647 01:14:40,988 --> 01:14:42,689 he could just vote out the board, 1648 01:14:43,443 --> 01:14:43,927 Ha ha 1649 01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:44,220 replace 1650 01:14:44,220 --> 01:14:46,571 them with people who would hire him back. 1651 01:14:46,631 --> 01:14:48,802 And that would be so catastrophic to the company, 1652 01:14:48,802 --> 01:14:50,032 right? It happened 1653 01:14:49,478 --> 01:14:50,032 Yeah. 1654 01:14:50,032 --> 01:14:52,393 at OpenAI basically. They fired him and then brought him back. 1655 01:14:52,393 --> 01:14:53,213 But that was a much 1656 01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:53,614 Listen. 1657 01:14:53,614 --> 01:14:54,834 smaller company at the time. 1658 01:14:55,204 --> 01:14:56,576 I've worked for places like that too. 1659 01:14:56,576 --> 01:14:59,069 But anyway, uh not Riverside, to be clear. 1660 01:14:58,252 --> 01:14:59,252 Ha ha ha 1661 01:14:59,410 --> 01:14:59,991 Um 1662 01:14:59,991 --> 01:15:02,274 not Riverside. Last question on this, 1663 01:15:02,274 --> 01:15:03,516 and then we'll do our lightning round. 1664 01:15:04,077 --> 01:15:06,210 Are we cooked as a US economy, 1665 01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:08,614 Jason? Like is this how bad is this? 1666 01:15:08,616 --> 01:15:12,457 I mean, if you're retiring in the next three months and all of your investments 1667 01:15:12,457 --> 01:15:14,718 are in stocks, it's not gonna be may not be great for you. 1668 01:15:14,718 --> 01:15:17,909 But I looked this morning and the DAO is actually up because in some way like 1669 01:15:18,109 --> 01:15:22,070 no this think about it.

Like some of the biggest beneficiaries of this 1670 01:15:22,351 --> 01:15:22,650 Yeah. 1671 01:15:22,650 --> 01:15:27,092 are like anthropic, who would like everyone to just slow down, 1672 01:15:27,092 --> 01:15:29,813 right? For their business prospects they want everyone else to slow down. 1673 01:15:30,191 --> 01:15:30,550 Right. 1674 01:15:30,233 --> 01:15:30,833 And 1675 01:15:30,833 --> 01:15:33,834 some chaos and disorder at a place like NVIDIA would would 1676 01:15:34,006 --> 01:15:36,787 That would be the most likely outcome is things would slow down a little bit. 1677 01:15:36,787 --> 01:15:37,647 And so that's like good 1678 01:15:36,966 --> 01:15:37,647 Right. 1679 01:15:37,647 --> 01:15:42,749 for them. But like everybody else's stock prices were up this morning, 1680 01:15:42,869 --> 01:15:45,139 right? Like Amazon Amazon, Apple, 1681 01:15:43,782 --> 01:15:45,843 Sure. Sure. 1682 01:15:45,139 --> 01:15:45,949 Google, their stock 1683 01:15:45,949 --> 01:15:47,610 prices are up. And in some ways, 1684 01:15:47,610 --> 01:15:50,771 I think it's either people are taking selling off NVIDIA shares and putting them 1685 01:15:50,771 --> 01:15:54,292 in something they think maybe are a better bet right now. 1686 01:15:54,292 --> 01:15:56,132 I'm not, I don't know. I I'm not an investor. 1687 01:15:56,902 --> 01:15:57,238 Sure. 1688 01:15:56,913 --> 01:15:57,433 I'm not. 1689 01:15:57,433 --> 01:16:00,374 But the demand for AI is not going to change, 1690 01:16:00,894 --> 01:16:01,435 right? 1691 01:16:01,435 --> 01:16:01,878 Right. 1692 01:16:01,632 --> 01:16:01,882 So the 1693 01:16:01,882 --> 01:16:04,045 question is will that be filled in other places? 1694 01:16:04,045 --> 01:16:06,688 In in Amazon and Google in particular, 1695 01:16:06,788 --> 01:16:10,492 they they they use TV Us. They're not using necessarily NVIDIA chips. 1696 01:16:10,492 --> 01:16:13,435 So anyway, I don't think we're cooked. 1697 01:16:10,736 --> 01:16:14,378 Right. Apple. Yeah okay. 1698 01:16:13,435 --> 01:16:15,548 At least this not for this. We've survived a lot, 1699 01:16:15,548 --> 01:16:16,219 Steven. 1700 01:16:16,219 --> 01:16:18,500 I know I think we're okay. Uh Apple, 1701 01:16:18,941 --> 01:16:23,763 double Surugi's pay and tell him to build the M seven Extreme Chip. 1702 01:16:23,190 --> 01:16:25,190 I I just don't think I mean, I 1703 01:16:24,664 --> 01:16:25,193 Do it. 1704 01:16:25,193 --> 01:16:27,976 know Saruji is is important to Apple, 1705 01:16:28,379 --> 01:16:29,298 Yes. 1706 01:16:29,298 --> 01:16:32,972 but I don't think he's the he's not I don't think he's NVIDIA's next CEO. 1707 01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:32,990 no. I'm just 1708 01:16:32,990 --> 01:16:35,471 saying build a chip that then AI can all run on that. 1709 01:16:35,732 --> 01:16:38,061 And then I can buy a Mac Studio for eighty thousand dollars. 1710 01:16:38,061 --> 01:16:40,375 No, I'm not gonna do. I 1711 01:16:38,156 --> 01:16:40,262 They're not gonna buy they're not gonna build that kind of chip though. 1712 01:16:40,375 --> 01:16:41,576 know they're not gonna build that kind of chip. 1713 01:16:41,576 --> 01:16:42,616 I just thought it was fun to say. 1714 01:16:42,636 --> 01:16:44,698 All right. Let's do a lightning round. 1715 01:16:44,898 --> 01:16:46,439 Thank you for talking me off the ledge. 1716 01:16:46,859 --> 01:16:50,882 Adobe had their Max conference in Miami actually this week, 1717 01:16:50,882 --> 01:16:53,204 happening as we speak. They announced a bunch of things, 1718 01:16:53,449 --> 01:16:56,506 a bunch of AI stuff that they are building into their apps. 1719 01:16:57,247 --> 01:16:58,458 One of the craziest things 1720 01:16:58,454 --> 01:16:59,235 They just copied 1721 01:16:58,458 --> 01:16:59,235 I saw. 1722 01:16:59,235 --> 01:17:02,419 everything Apple did, except for Apple only put it in numbers and pages. 1723 01:17:02,419 --> 01:17:03,701 I don't even understand. 1724 01:17:04,071 --> 01:17:04,531 No, 1725 01:17:04,531 --> 01:17:06,955 no, it's i it's in logic pro and it's pretty good. 1726 01:17:06,452 --> 01:17:08,367 Not the chat assistant, is it? 1727 01:17:08,137 --> 01:17:09,660 Yes, it is in logic pro. 1728 01:17:09,891 --> 01:17:13,801 it was just the MCP support only came to log or to pages and 1729 01:17:12,246 --> 01:17:13,696 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1730 01:17:13,801 --> 01:17:14,342 numbers. 1731 01:17:14,342 --> 01:17:17,330 If you watch my touch screen MacBook Pro first look video, 1732 01:17:17,330 --> 01:17:20,709 I show the chat in Logic Pro and it's pretty wild what it can do. 1733 01:17:20,894 --> 01:17:22,368 You're gonna have to pay more for that too. 1734 01:17:23,216 --> 01:17:24,927 Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to 1735 01:17:24,609 --> 01:17:24,927 Okay. 1736 01:17:24,927 --> 01:17:26,969 that. Anyway, the Adobe Mac stuff is wild, 1737 01:17:26,969 --> 01:17:30,762 putting a they have a generative fill in Premiere, 1738 01:17:31,243 --> 01:17:36,217 which was wild. They had this clip of a dude talking at the camera and somebody 1739 01:17:36,217 --> 01:17:38,990 like walked past him and out of the frame. 1740 01:17:39,410 --> 01:17:41,404 And in the live event, Adobe was like, 1741 01:17:41,404 --> 01:17:43,473 Let me just highlight this dude that walked through the frame, 1742 01:17:43,874 --> 01:17:46,916 generate everything, and it just removes him from the video. 1743 01:17:47,137 --> 01:17:49,278 So think like clean up in Apple Photos, 1744 01:17:49,399 --> 01:17:51,040 but for any video anywhere. 1745 01:17:51,184 --> 01:17:53,288 Like that's the kind of stuff Adobe was launching. 1746 01:17:53,629 --> 01:17:57,735 Wild model context protocol support so it can work with AI agents. 1747 01:17:58,016 --> 01:18:02,003 And what did you say about the Lightroom stuff that changed in the the app changed 1748 01:18:02,003 --> 01:18:02,620 the name? 1749 01:18:02,620 -->

01:18:05,473 this was this was something totally this had nothing to do with the W Max. 1750 01:18:05,473 --> 01:18:06,433 I just Lightroom 1751 01:18:05,838 --> 01:18:06,433 okay. 1752 01:18:06,433 --> 01:18:11,318 had changed the name of the mobile app to Lightroom AI Photo Editor and they took 1753 01:18:11,318 --> 01:18:12,939 it back because people were not happy about that. 1754 01:18:12,939 --> 01:18:16,362 But I I do th like a a lot of it is similar to what the Creator Studio 1755 01:18:16,362 --> 01:18:18,404 announcement was. You can chat with your apps now, 1756 01:18:17,660 --> 01:18:18,878 Sure. Yeah. 1757 01:18:18,404 --> 01:18:18,914 but in 1758 01:18:18,914 --> 01:18:20,365 some ways you were able to do that before. 1759 01:18:20,365 --> 01:18:22,837 Like you could open Photoshop and you could just tell it what you wanted 1760 01:18:22,837 --> 01:18:27,992 it to do in some ways. But AI like their strategy for getting through 1761 01:18:27,992 --> 01:18:30,492 the AI creative storm is they're just all in. 1762 01:18:31,222 --> 01:18:32,714 Like we're just going to control our 1763 01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:32,606 They're all in. Yeah. 1764 01:18:32,714 --> 01:18:36,858 destiny by putting all of these things in our apps because the only thing that 1765 01:18:36,858 --> 01:18:41,173 we care about is continuing to get you to pay for a subscription that they won't 1766 01:18:41,173 --> 01:18:42,173 let you cancel. 1767 01:18:42,937 --> 01:18:48,014 Right. So there's that. iPhone Duo now has a hundred thousand apps. 1768 01:18:48,014 --> 01:18:49,505 I'll link Jason's article for that. 1769 01:18:49,726 --> 01:18:53,581 And at least one percent of those apps are featured on my website for iPhone 1770 01:18:53,581 --> 01:18:56,465 Duo apps, and I will I'll link that page too. 1771 01:18:56,465 --> 01:18:57,506 There's yeah. 1772 01:18:56,820 --> 01:18:57,771 And I think 1773 01:18:57,771 --> 01:18:59,532 I think if I understand correctly, 1774 01:18:59,552 --> 01:19:01,684 someone can correct me. Happy to have you email me. 1775 01:19:01,684 --> 01:19:06,637 But I think that what Apple is saying is that there are a hundred thousand apps 1776 01:19:06,637 --> 01:19:08,319 where the developers have actually, 1777 01:19:08,319 --> 01:19:09,900 like with the twenty seven point two, 1778 01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,322 gone in and actually optimized them. 1779 01:19:12,442 --> 01:19:14,383 These are not just like so for example, 1780 01:19:14,383 --> 01:19:16,505 contextually, my app is is 1781 01:19:15,899 --> 01:19:16,505 Yes. 1782 01:19:16,505 --> 01:19:21,048 updated for twenty seven. It is not yet updated for the duo because I 1783 01:19:21,048 --> 01:19:22,850 do not yet have my hands on a duo, 1784 01:19:22,850 --> 01:19:23,850 however that 1785 01:19:24,384 --> 01:19:25,285 might be changing in the future. 1786 01:19:24,666 --> 01:19:28,603 Huh? huh. 1787 01:19:25,285 --> 01:19:26,735 We'll see. We'll

talk about that in the future. 1788 01:19:26,956 --> 01:19:28,196 We'll talk about that in the future. 1789 01:19:28,477 --> 01:19:30,318 Only for development work, of course. 1790 01:19:30,318 --> 01:19:31,409 Anyway, but 1791 01:19:30,486 --> 01:19:31,409 Of course. 1792 01:19:31,409 --> 01:19:34,040 I do think if Apple's number is not one of these, 1793 01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,642 there's a hundred thousand apps that have been updated for twenty seven. 1794 01:19:36,642 --> 01:19:39,734 And so therefore they're not the ridiculous apps on the duo. 1795 01:19:39,734 --> 01:19:43,116 I think they're saying they take advantage of the side and 1796 01:19:42,715 --> 01:19:43,116 Yeah. 1797 01:19:43,116 --> 01:19:44,797 like all that stuff. Which that's good. 1798 01:19:44,797 --> 01:19:49,210 That that's a better number because Apple is not always clear about its numbers. 1799 01:19:48,164 --> 01:19:49,164 Yeah, 1800 01:19:49,585 --> 01:19:54,227 exactly. Now I will just say can do stash caption or all my apps. 1801 01:19:54,407 --> 01:19:56,498 Here's can do. If you open it on the duo, 1802 01:19:56,498 --> 01:20:01,350 you get that nice fade. Boom, you can swipe through all your columns, 1803 01:20:01,570 --> 01:20:03,811 full support of the duo. Just just throwing that out there. 1804 01:20:03,944 --> 01:20:07,073 Just throwing that out there. Uh there's that. 1805 01:20:06,690 --> 01:20:07,989 It's beautiful. It's beautiful. 1806 01:20:07,433 --> 01:20:08,214 Thank 1807 01:20:08,214 --> 01:20:11,235 thank you. You wrote about the Gemini email policy. 1808 01:20:11,775 --> 01:20:13,446 What? Tell me about the what? 1809 01:20:13,632 --> 01:20:15,103 Well, okay, a couple years ago, 1810 01:20:15,283 --> 01:20:17,243 I think back when Gemini was called BARD, 1811 01:20:17,882 --> 01:20:19,721 It was. It was. 1812 01:20:18,044 --> 01:20:21,615 they I think this is they they made it so that you could connect 1813 01:20:21,615 --> 01:20:24,196 your different apps to 1814 01:20:23,429 --> 01:20:24,196 Yes. 1815 01:20:24,196 --> 01:20:27,668 the the assistant so that it could have the personal contacts type thing. 1816 01:20:27,668 --> 01:20:29,668 So what that meant is you could connect your Gmail, 1817 01:20:29,668 --> 01:20:32,920 right, and you could use it and and include that in context when you were 1818 01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:33,990 sending props and that kind stuff. 1819 01:20:34,130 --> 01:20:39,312 And Google made a promise that the data from those connected things would 1820 01:20:39,312 --> 01:20:42,724 not be included in human review. 1821 01:20:42,724 --> 01:20:43,305 So they 1822 01:20:43,305 --> 01:20:48,068 All these AI companies are using humans to review to like do quality 1823 01:20:47,556 --> 01:20:48,068 Right. 1824 01:20:48,068 --> 01:20:49,919 check, right? They just have to do that. 1825 01:20:49,919 --> 01:20:53,522 Like that, there's no way to know if they're doing a good job without someone 1826 01:20:53,522 --> 01:20:55,183 looking at it and going, This was the prompt, 1827 01:20:55,403 --> 01:20:57,364 this was the response, thumbs up, 1828 01:20:57,364 --> 01:21:01,467 thumbs down, right? Google promised that your personal information now, 1829 01:21:01,467 --> 01:21:03,528 what you typed into it could be included. 1830 01:21:03,528 --> 01:21:09,742 Like I I'm I you know have this weird rash in my uh I wonder whether like that 1831 01:21:09,742 --> 01:21:11,073 was gonna get you should know. 1832 01:21:11,073 --> 01:21:12,014 Somebody might have read that. 1833 01:21:11,165 --> 01:21:12,165 Sure, sure. 1834 01:21:12,544 --> 01:21:16,476 But the email your doctor sent you with the results from the tests was not going 1835 01:21:16,476 --> 01:21:18,657 to be included in that. They've changed that. 1836 01:21:18,957 --> 01:21:21,348 They're now saying like that stuff is fair game. 1837 01:21:21,348 --> 01:21:24,789 So I would recommend you not have that stuff connected to Gemini unless you're 1838 01:21:24,789 --> 01:21:29,111 cool. Now, again, this doesn't mean that it's giving a human being access to just 1839 01:21:29,111 --> 01:21:33,653 read all your Gmail. It is giving them access if you were to connect it and then 1840 01:21:33,653 --> 01:21:37,585 you use an email as a part of a a query or a prompt or that kind of stuff. 1841 01:21:37,585 --> 01:21:39,035 That information could be passed on. 1842 01:21:39,035 --> 01:21:40,035 And Google does say 1843 01:21:40,758 --> 01:21:43,669 That they will it will be anonymized in a way that it's not like connected. 1844 01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:44,659 It's not like it's gonna be like, 1845 01:21:44,659 --> 01:21:46,680 oh, this email came from Stephen Robles, 1846 01:21:46,821 --> 01:21:47,632 Right, right, right. 1847 01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:47,660 or this 1848 01:21:47,660 --> 01:21:49,180 one is whatever. And they'll try to, 1849 01:21:49,180 --> 01:21:53,401 it'll try to not have personal information and personally identifying information, 1850 01:21:53,622 --> 01:21:56,162 but still, you just have to understand 1851 01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:55,558 Mm. Still. 1852 01:21:56,522 --> 01:21:59,423 there are humans that do review on these things, 1853 01:21:59,910 --> 01:22:00,376 Yeah. 1854 01:22:00,203 --> 01:22:00,683 and 1855 01:22:00,683 --> 01:22:07,445 now Google is no longer s separating out your actual emails when they do that. 1856 01:22:08,549 --> 01:22:09,509 I just want to say 1857 01:22:09,166 --> 01:22:10,246 I don't love that, by the way. 1858 01:22:10,806 --> 01:22:12,623 Case it wasn't clear wh where I stand. 1859 01:22:11,870 --> 01:22:12,870 sure. 1860 01:22:13,831 --> 01:22:17,073 I am so happy with Fastmail, 1861 01:22:17,593 --> 01:22:20,101 my email provider, who I've been using for years. 1862 01:22:20,101 --> 01:22:21,735 I just want to throw out just give them a shout out. 1863 01:22:21,775 --> 01:22:23,495 Fastmail.

They're really good. 1864 01:22:24,276 --> 01:22:24,526 That's 1865 01:22:24,473 --> 01:22:26,453 I do use fast mail for my apps. 1866 01:22:24,526 --> 01:22:25,526 not their tagline. 1867 01:22:26,977 --> 01:22:29,038 See? Just that's good. All right. 1868 01:22:29,648 --> 01:22:33,680 IFixit. They tore down the ProLid touchscreen MacBook Pro. 1869 01:22:33,631 --> 01:22:34,655 The glowy logo. 1870 01:22:34,900 --> 01:22:36,841 The glowy logo. They figured out the glowy logo. 1871 01:22:37,286 --> 01:22:40,168 It's basically a couple LED lights in there. 1872 01:22:40,688 --> 01:22:42,529 That's that's the deal. So. 1873 01:22:42,176 --> 01:22:43,229 And a diffuser, yep. 1874 01:22:43,370 --> 01:22:45,531 And a diffuser, but they got the tear down. 1875 01:22:45,651 --> 01:22:47,763 Listen, I fixed it. They're doing they're doing the Lord's work. 1876 01:22:47,763 --> 01:22:50,865 You know what I mean? Like they're they they tear these things down. 1877 01:22:50,865 --> 01:22:52,816 I I wouldn't I would never. I would never. 1878 01:22:53,236 --> 01:22:56,108 The okay, I'm moving my website over here. 1879 01:22:56,108 --> 01:23:01,231 Last couple things. Anthropic released Fable 5.2, 1880 01:23:01,231 --> 01:23:02,592 which we're gonna talk about in personal tech, 1881 01:23:02,592 --> 01:23:05,524 because I've been using the heck out of it. 1882 01:23:05,904 --> 01:23:06,904 But they also 1883 01:23:07,099 --> 01:23:11,797 Set their IPO price, their stock at a range of seventy to seventy eight dollars 1884 01:23:11,797 --> 01:23:17,847 per share, which is an implied valuation of four one point four trillion dollars. 1885 01:23:18,489 --> 01:23:20,793 Is that insane, Jason? That's insane, 1886 01:23:20,793 --> 01:23:21,292 right? 1887 01:23:21,292 --> 01:23:25,069 mean it's bonkers, yeah. It does it it's I mean, 1888 01:23:25,290 --> 01:23:29,108 are we in a bubble? W one point four trillion feels like a bubble. 1889 01:23:29,807 --> 01:23:30,069 We're 1890 01:23:30,069 --> 01:23:33,279 about to find out. Let's just say let's just say that for 1891 01:23:31,382 --> 01:23:33,405 Yeah. I do 1892 01:23:33,405 --> 01:23:35,488 like that the ver when I I haven't listened to it yet, 1893 01:23:35,488 --> 01:23:37,971 I will, because I like Liz Lapato at the Verge, 1894 01:23:37,971 --> 01:23:38,783 but their episode 1895 01:23:38,130 --> 01:23:38,783 Yes. 1896 01:23:38,783 --> 01:23:41,937 this week, which was like it only takes a prick to pop a bubble or something like 1897 01:23:41,647 --> 01:23:42,197 Yes. 1898 01:23:41,937 --> 01:23:42,798 that. 1899 01:23:42,798 --> 01:23:45,901 They that was a great title. I listened to that episode. 1900 01:23:45,901 --> 01:23:49,483 Liz Lapato has a great breakdown of all the things. 1901 01:23:49,523 --> 01:23:51,045 So that was yes, that was great. 1902 01:23:51,385 --> 01:23:54,287 And lastly, I send off a salute. 1903 01:23:54,688 --> 01:23:58,391 The Apple Community support community. 1904 01:23:58,691 --> 01:24:02,304 If you've ever searched for like a question about an Apple product or you're 1905 01:24:02,304 --> 01:24:03,525 trying to figure something out, 1906 01:24:03,525 --> 01:24:09,220 there's a bug, sometimes you would get the Apple support community results, 1907 01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:10,861 which is basically a forum. 1908 01:24:11,783 --> 01:24:14,525 Where people ask questions and then other random people can answer them. 1909 01:24:14,525 --> 01:24:16,637 Sometimes there were community like experts. 1910 01:24:16,917 --> 01:24:19,710 Sometimes it would almost be like Apple people responding, 1911 01:24:19,710 --> 01:24:20,901 but like anonymously or whatever. 1912 01:24:21,702 --> 01:24:23,243 And they're shutting that down. 1913 01:24:23,463 --> 01:24:25,775 It's going away. The Apple support community is is dead. 1914 01:24:25,987 --> 01:24:29,891 Yeah, I think they've already stopped accepting like replies and stuff, 1915 01:24:29,891 --> 01:24:32,674 and I think it's actually getting shut down for good. 1916 01:24:32,027 --> 01:24:33,615 November twenty. November twenty. 1917 01:24:32,874 --> 01:24:33,865 Yeah, no one they haven't 1918 01:24:33,865 --> 01:24:35,412 exactly said what's gonna happen. 1919 01:24:35,642 --> 01:24:39,681 somebody has to be vibe coding like an app to just scoop it all up and make 1920 01:24:39,681 --> 01:24:43,355 it available somewhere. Like kinda like make us an app like the facades app, 1921 01:24:43,355 --> 01:24:44,076 but for the Apple 1922 01:24:44,076 --> 01:24:46,428 support community. So you can just go through and search through stuff. 1923 01:24:46,525 --> 01:24:48,787 I found good answers. I remember over the years being like, 1924 01:24:48,491 --> 01:24:48,968 yeah. 1925 01:24:48,968 --> 01:24:54,113 how do I, you know, put macOS on a thumb drive or OS ten at the time? 1926 01:24:53,193 --> 01:24:54,761 I absolutely, yeah. 1927 01:24:54,494 --> 01:24:54,868 You know 1928 01:24:54,868 --> 01:24:58,007 what I mean? And like, yeah, there was like official Apple support articles, 1929 01:24:58,007 --> 01:25:00,680 but those are sometimes verbose and hard to find. 1930 01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:02,322 And there would be just some community post be like, 1931 01:25:02,482 --> 01:25:03,894 yeah, you do this, you click this, 1932 01:25:03,894 --> 01:25:04,894 you go here, just do it. 1933 01:25:05,088 --> 01:25:08,339 Yeah, and I wrote about it this morning because there's also times where you would 1934 01:25:08,779 --> 01:25:12,681 where people would post about a thing and then you would see Apple fix the thing 1935 01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:14,551 because Apple didn't even realize 1936 01:25:13,884 --> 01:25:14,551 Yes. 1937 01:25:14,551 --> 01:25:16,622 that this bug existed or that there was this problem, 1938 01:25:16,622 --> 01:25:19,823 but because this existed, enough people are like, 1939 01:25:19,823 -->

01:25:22,474 Why did this update make my phone catch fire? 1940 01:25:22,474 --> 01:25:23,865 It's like mine too. Well, yeah, 1941 01:25:23,865 --> 01:25:26,115 mine too. It's still in the trash can burning right now. 1942 01:25:25,275 --> 01:25:26,775 Right. Right. 1943 01:25:26,115 --> 01:25:26,826 It's like Apple's like, 1944 01:25:26,826 --> 01:25:27,826 Maybe we have a problem. 1945 01:25:28,889 --> 01:25:31,310 It's yeah, so it's it says November twentieth. 1946 01:25:31,310 --> 01:25:33,712 It's it's shutting down. So somebody scoop it up before then, 1947 01:25:33,712 --> 01:25:34,522 I guess. I'm 1948 01:25:34,176 --> 01:25:34,522 Yeah. 1949 01:25:34,522 --> 01:25:36,704 not waste I'm not putting my fable tokens on that. 1950 01:25:36,704 --> 01:25:39,005 I'm not because I wasted all mine on something else, 1951 01:25:39,005 --> 01:25:43,397 which is personal tech. I completely overhauled my website. 1952 01:25:43,397 --> 01:25:44,978 And listen, I'm I'm part of the problem. 1953 01:25:45,299 --> 01:25:49,201 I think we talked about the news last week that Squarespace has laid off, 1954 01:25:49,601 --> 01:25:53,683 you know, a bunch of people because of the vibe coding and all this kind of stuff. 1955 01:25:54,444 --> 01:25:56,425 I've had my website on Squarespace for years. 1956 01:25:56,699 --> 01:25:56,809 I 1957 01:25:56,809 --> 01:25:58,930 still have many websites on Squarespace. 1958 01:25:59,090 --> 01:26:02,672 So I'm still active user. I've built like a hundred sites there for clients 1959 01:26:02,672 --> 01:26:05,094 and I still manage some. But I was like, 1960 01:26:05,514 --> 01:26:10,156 I love being able to just tell Claude do this and my website does it. 1961 01:26:10,537 --> 01:26:13,138 That is how I've been running my app website, 1962 01:26:13,458 --> 01:26:18,411 the Duo apps page. I tell Claude to sweep my mentions on social media and then 1963 01:26:18,411 --> 01:26:20,592 it just adds stuff to the webpage and it's so easy. 1964 01:26:20,592 --> 01:26:24,504 And I'm like, I really want to be able to do that for my main website. 1965 01:26:24,824 --> 01:26:26,065 And then all this traffic 1966 01:26:26,226 --> 01:26:28,267 Because my duo website has had decent traffic. 1967 01:26:28,267 --> 01:26:30,668 I'm like, I want all that traffic on my main website, 1968 01:26:30,668 --> 01:26:34,831 everything just be there. So when I saw that Claybal Claybal, 1969 01:26:34,951 --> 01:26:36,972 Claude Fable five point two. 1970 01:26:36,295 --> 01:26:37,152 I mean 1971 01:26:37,152 --> 01:26:38,403 That's what that's gonna be my nickname for it. 1972 01:26:38,403 --> 01:26:41,640 Hey Claybal. Claude Fable. Listen. 1973 01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,615 I and I told this this is how I talked to him. 1974 01:26:43,615 --> 01:26:45,016 I said, We've talked about this before. 1975 01:26:45,376 --> 01:26:50,489 I've asked you about migrating my whole website to Cloudflare and you just like 1976 01:26:50,489 --> 01:26:54,121 doing the changes. Tell me how feasible is this? 1977 01:26:54,833 --> 01:26:57,855 to move over every blog post that I've ever written, 1978 01:26:57,875 --> 01:27:00,697 which is like about 300, which is not a lot in the grand scheme of things, 1979 01:27:00,697 --> 01:27:02,899 but for me, I want it on my blog post there. 1980 01:27:03,759 --> 01:27:07,462 And I want to be able to post, 1981 01:27:08,002 --> 01:27:10,984 I don't post often, but I want to be able to post a blog without your help. 1982 01:27:11,345 --> 01:27:15,667 I want to be able to go to some admin panel and write something, 1983 01:27:15,808 --> 01:27:18,990 click post, and it goes to the website and I don't have to talk to you. 1984 01:27:19,450 --> 01:27:20,971 But any other change on the website, 1985 01:27:21,372 --> 01:27:23,523 I'm gonna just ask you for it and not do it myself. 1986 01:27:24,209 --> 01:27:28,671 What do you think? And Fable gave me a very ver verbose response as it's wont 1987 01:27:28,671 --> 01:27:30,492 to do. But the bottom line was like, 1988 01:27:30,833 --> 01:27:32,413 yeah, sure, bro. We can do that. 1989 01:27:33,334 --> 01:27:36,776 And so I spent a couple hours and just did it. 1990 01:27:37,656 --> 01:27:39,017 And so this is my new website, 1991 01:27:39,157 --> 01:27:41,979 beard.fm. It's hosted on Cloudflare, 1992 01:27:42,339 --> 01:27:44,720 built completely with Cloud Fable 5.2. 1993 01:27:45,381 --> 01:27:46,441 And honestly, I really like it. 1994 01:27:46,881 --> 01:27:48,682 I told it to model it off my old site, 1995 01:27:48,682 --> 01:27:50,403 but I wanted some new stuff on there. 1996 01:27:51,004 --> 01:27:53,465 Like my latest YouTube video should be at the top. 1997 01:27:54,051 --> 01:27:56,982 And let me refresh it. Boom! It pulled my home view video. 1998 01:27:57,262 --> 01:27:58,443 It's just right there at the top. 1999 01:27:59,223 --> 01:28:03,355 And the latest episodes of all my podcasts are automatically going to get pulled 2000 01:28:03,355 --> 01:28:05,686 for the homepage and they'll be clickable right here. 2001 01:28:06,126 --> 01:28:09,187 Then my other latest videos right here on the homepage. 2002 01:28:09,668 --> 01:28:13,769 My latest Instagram reels, which this was complicated because I was like, 2003 01:28:13,769 --> 01:28:15,530 Claude, can we pull my latest three reels? 2004 01:28:16,010 --> 01:28:20,952 And Claude was like, Well, you gotta deal with the meta API and you have to create 2005 01:28:20,952 --> 01:28:23,053 an app in the business side. And I was like, 2006 01:28:23,166 --> 01:28:24,086 Claude, I'm gonna tell right now, 2007 01:28:24,086 --> 01:28:26,167 I'm not doing any of that. But you know who is? 2008 01:28:26,587 --> 01:28:31,349 You are. And so I logged in into my browser with Claude Control, 2009 01:28:31,489 --> 01:28:32,620 browser control, and I was like, 2010 01:28:32,620 --> 01:28:36,088 Claude, do it

all. And it clicked around for an hour. 2011 01:28:36,088 --> 01:28:38,252 I wasn't even watching it, did all the things, 2012 01:28:38,252 --> 01:28:43,154 and so now I get my latest three reels also embedded on my website homepage. 2013 01:28:43,154 --> 01:28:45,175 My like, I love everything about this. 2014 01:28:45,735 --> 01:28:50,317 My all my blogs carried over, have them all here, 2015 01:28:50,317 --> 01:28:51,357 all at the same links. 2016 01:28:51,867 --> 01:28:55,280 I have my smart home page with all my smart home devices all right there. 2017 01:28:56,100 --> 01:28:58,882 It's great. And my apps page is now built into it, 2018 01:28:59,263 --> 01:29:01,664 including my duo apps page. It's just it's just all there. 2019 01:29:02,025 --> 01:29:06,038 And it built me a blog posting CMS, 2020 01:29:06,038 --> 01:29:10,151 which is totally custom, also hosted on Cloudflare behind the scenes. 2021 01:29:10,691 --> 01:29:13,473 And I can go in here, all my past blog posts are in here, 2022 01:29:13,754 --> 01:29:17,076 so I can edit any of them, but I can create a new post, 2023 01:29:17,456 --> 01:29:18,456 schedule it. 2024 01:29:18,905 --> 01:29:23,377 I can it also added stats for how many people are now following my RSS feeds 2025 01:29:23,377 --> 01:29:28,049 because I have several across the site and it the editor supports Markdown. 2026 01:29:28,289 --> 01:29:31,950 So everything on the CMS is just how I want it to post a blog. 2027 01:29:31,950 --> 01:29:36,172 And I'm like, the fact that I could do this in a few hours' time, 2028 01:29:36,652 --> 01:29:40,544 have everything how I want, build my own little CMS for posting a blog post, 2029 01:29:40,544 --> 01:29:42,935 but then just ask Claude to do everything else, 2030 01:29:43,375 --> 01:29:45,096 it just continues to blow my mind. 2031 01:29:45,476 --> 01:29:47,767 It is wild, and I I'm happy with it. 2032 01:29:48,157 --> 01:29:48,297 That's 2033 01:29:48,297 --> 01:29:49,761 all I wanna say. It's cool. 2034 01:29:48,330 --> 01:29:49,756 Yeah. That's great. 2035 01:29:50,042 --> 01:29:51,907 It's cool. It's cool. So 2036 01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:52,958 Squarespace 2037 01:29:52,958 --> 01:29:54,439 is never gonna sponsor us now, 2038 01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:55,454 but that's that's fine. 2039 01:29:55,811 --> 01:29:57,702 I mean with the layoffs, I was like, 2040 01:29:58,182 --> 01:30:00,574 but listen, I still pay for Squarespace for multiple sites. 2041 01:30:00,574 --> 01:30:02,144 I have a ton of websites on Squarespace. 2042 01:30:02,144 --> 01:30:06,677 I still love Squarespace. If you don't want to deal with the like I have 2043 01:30:06,677 --> 01:30:08,968 a hosting provider like Cloudflare, 2044 01:30:09,128 --> 01:30:11,500 and there's Cloudflare workers doing stuff, 2045 01:30:11,500 --> 01:30:13,290 like there is complexity to it, 2046 01:30:13,571 --> 01:30:15,812 even though Claude set it most of it up by itself. 2047 01:30:16,232 --> 01:30:19,064 There is complexity. And so if you want that simplicity, 2048 01:30:19,064 --> 01:30:20,314 you want a drag and drop editor, 2049 01:30:20,314 --> 01:30:25,077 you want customization. I would not use this for like e-commerce. 2050 01:30:25,627 --> 01:30:28,880 You know, I would use Squarespace or Shopify for like an e-commerce website 2051 01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,082 or something else, but for my use, 2052 01:30:31,623 --> 01:30:33,424 it's pretty fun. It's pretty fun. 2053 01:30:33,495 --> 01:30:34,085 Great. 2054 01:30:34,085 --> 01:30:37,398 So anyway, I'll link I'll link my website down there in the show notes if you want 2055 01:30:37,398 --> 01:30:41,611 to check it out. And yeah, see what kind of website Claude can build for you. 2056 01:30:41,611 --> 01:30:45,935 I it was great. Now, I have some very important questions for Jason, 2057 01:30:46,816 --> 01:30:52,177 because I have I have some news that more will be revealed soon on 2058 01:30:51,777 --> 01:30:52,260 You're the next 2059 01:30:52,260 --> 01:30:53,578 CEO of NVIDIA, aren't you? 2060 01:30:54,915 --> 01:30:56,966 I'm no, no, not at all. I can't 2061 01:30:56,577 --> 01:30:56,966 Okay. 2062 01:30:56,966 --> 01:30:59,087 even think of a joke. Can't even think of a joke. 2063 01:30:59,487 --> 01:31:05,970 Not me. Uh I have a uh a shed now on my property that's going to be transformed 2064 01:31:06,110 --> 01:31:09,211 into something very soon. And I'm very excited about it. 2065 01:31:09,431 --> 01:31:11,912 And I have to ask Jason some questions about what to do with it. 2066 01:31:12,092 --> 01:31:15,793 So if you want to hear that, that's our bonus episode happening right now. 2067 01:31:16,114 --> 01:31:19,275 And you can access our bonus episode in an ad-free version of the show. 2068 01:31:19,435 --> 01:31:24,217 Listen to our pre-show of me and Jason posting our content live on the air. 2069 01:31:24,765 --> 01:31:26,906 Uh, which I think we had a good pre-show before that anyway. 2070 01:31:27,086 --> 01:31:28,747 And all of those benefits, Prime Tech Daily, 2071 01:31:28,747 --> 01:31:31,668 everything. You can support the show by clicking the link down in the show notes. 2072 01:31:31,848 --> 01:31:33,848 Leave us a five star rating and review in Apple Podcasts. 2073 01:31:33,848 --> 01:31:36,029 We'd greatly appreciate that. And yeah, 2074 01:31:36,029 --> 01:31:37,570 thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. 2075 01:31:37,730 --> 01:31:38,730 We'll catch you next time.