For our first episode during Black History Month, we bring to you the story of the founder of The Chicago Defender, an African American newspaper founded in 1905.

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00:00:30welcome to Potter and History X this is a podcast for me bring you very interesting tales of the little-known history with a side of sarcasm and a whole lot of ignorance I am Tom I'm joined by my co-host mr. Austin how are you today Austin I'm ready to learn about history what you've come to the right podcast my friend we are lexylicious I don't like that but I don't have Lexie with us today that is just Austin and myself learning bottoms histories and stuff like that
00:01:09I hope you are ready for an amazing tail this what this month we're going to be focusing on the not so crazy but the more inspirational well focusing on black history month and I have my issues with Black History Month as it is because I don't believe that you shouldn't come find all the black history into one month but I should clarify that but that is the sound really bad at all did it oh I didn't I design to that way you still technically black history month so with that we are myself I'm going to find four of the more Let the lesser-known inspirational figures in black history
00:02:09and starts with this one okay are you ready Austin to a child of History ready story is about a man named Robert Abbott have you ever heard of Robert Abbott
00:02:34but his story was prepared for like a super funny super Like Crazy Character you're not going to get it with Robert Abbott so
00:02:47that is always a great strategy for retaining listeners 68 on Saint Simons Island to Flora and Thomas Abbott his a his upbringing is actually pretty interesting because it's not typical for a black man who was born in 1968 S60 1867 was born a slave in Savannah in 1847 to a Portuguese West African parents her father Jacob Butler was a skilled Craftsmen I purchase his family's Freedom so that's how his mother became free okay have its father
00:03:44was not exactly not exactly as lucky he was a house slave though which apparently in the ranking of slaves was good I think Omar says
00:04:03his father did die when it was just an infant hustle to Flora for her inferior extraction the Abbott Clan sued for custody of the infant John HH send sing stack or sensed a key and it's a s e n g s t a c k e so I don't know how would you pronounce back then a German newly arrived in Savannah hired a lawyer who represented for successfully so thank you to the Germans for helping Florida get her son back in stock in 1868 it was the fact of Savannah native his father Herman was a German immigrant Merchant and his mother and his mother was asleep purchased
00:05:03The Auction Block and Free by her future husband married in 1847 they sent their children to read to be raised in Germany following Herman's deaths in stack sings that album return to Germany in 1869 to settle the estate in Savannah where he met floor up and needed her custody battle they married in 17 or 1874 I'm running all the teams from 1874 and I haven't lived with them for an hour and later Woodville I like would feel better than my crutches which was Dennis swampy remote Savannah supper okay but everything is swampy a remote except for this event yeah I guess I don't know why don't know the history of the land there might have been in Washington DC
00:06:03song since Takis or since tax work as a congressional list Minister teacher Drew criticism and his strongly Baptist area his passion for learning any quality and modest for Ray into journalism deeply shaped young Abbott okay so that's a little bit of us up right after attending Savannah's Beach Institute and chaplain University in Orangeburg South Carolina Abbott studded printing at Hampton is 2 in Hampton Virginia graduating in 1896 he then left for Chicago Illinois where he learned of law degree from Kent College of Law now this is what he becomes most famous for when he's in Chicago is that so much to love but what he did while in Chicago After experiencing difficulty finding employment as a lawyer guess why Asin
00:06:58I would guess because he's black
00:07:00you would be right because of his race seeing as that's still a problem yes really is that's that's a sad part to even think about it because it's just a habit turn to journalism in 1905 he found it the Chicago Defender a weekly newspaper that soon dominated Chicago's already crowded black press within a decade the defender was arguably the most the nation's most important African American newspaper surging on the tide of black migration north and west circulation reach 50000 by 19 1620 5000 or 125000 by 19 18 and more than 200,000 by the early 1920s wow overall readership triple those figures some two-thirds of his National publication sales were Beyond Chicago so it's spread really quickly political social and entertainment report
00:08:00Nissan Brownsville which is black Chicago's nickname email about me mostly Grimm racial news from the south extortions to newcomers for upright conduct in the face of freedoms Temptations personal announcements from readers employment and other classifieds editorials for racial equality in the style of media giant William Randolph Hearst which should be a name for millier tools some people last name for Super Hero Marvel Superhero probably haven't heard blacks if I pre quality ones promoting the slogan if you must die take at least one with you so it's a little bit of a different approach
00:09:00then say like Martin Luther King who comes much later in the term negro and colored and call them undignified instead the defender constantly used the phrase the race the defender considerably influence the Great Migration the. When large numbers of African-Americans moved from the south to urban areas in the north following World War 1 which was 1917 to 1980 with the Northern Communities riding the rails with the Pullman car Porters massive if informal distribution and reported that works the counter posing Southern brutality with Northern opportunity the paper Foster and wrote The Epic migration the paper even said date May 15th 1917 for a great northern Drive
00:09:57white efforts to keep the defender out of the South only raise its standing amongst blacks the black people have a newspaper what Tori we went to white people do that and of course also leave it to them to have those efforts backfire and make it even more popular than it was the seems to be a common Trend even today subscription for the newspapers lifeblood advertising with secondary though I grew as white owned businesses awaken to opportunities for access to the black public and leave a toy people to find a way to profit that makes them okay with it as the money course money is now answer to everything we wouldn't let you be equal
00:10:53unless you pay it sucks we get money out of this fucking years but won't allow it to come South and I was 30s all the way through the sixties and maybe I don't know exactly when it ended but they used to have what they call like colored record companies and they put out like music for all that kind of record yeah for sure for sure it was separate from the white label and they couldn't definitely when they weren't allowed to mix until later most popular types of music especially in the twenties what gentle Jazz and then but it was all the way up through like Motown Motown
00:11:52satisfying black readers desire for aggression or I'm sorry or aggressive racial advocacy a while not alienating white advertisers prove difficult saw a synthesis not always easy a racial militancy and self-help ethos it's an interesting combination this is a time. We're black rights were not existing whatever beginning cuz he's mention drinking out of separate fountains and using separate bathrooms I was like for another hundred years pretty much because you said he was born in 1868 at that time it was a 1970
00:12:51tell the Civil Rights he doesn't he doesn't make it there unfortunately I would have liked to see what he would have done how his attitude might have changed that was the king brought a different perspective important figure in the racial violence in 1919 the Illinois governor name Abbott to the Chicago Commission of race relations which later authored a landmark report in 1922 on African American Urban conditions through publishing he became one of the earliest African American Millionaires and a black folk hero and biting self-help and Entrepreneurship in the mold of fellow him Tony and Booker T Washington contributed to the development of a national African American culture one of the papers long-time contributors
00:13:51choose developed the Beloved character simple in his columns in Chicago on February 29th 1940 of Bright's disease have a designated hits of Savannah born nephew John H sang stack Orson Stuckey his successor the soft-spoken country boy who became a major sharp shaper shaper of Americans have African American culture would have relished Hughes later characterization of his newspaper as the journalistic voice of a largely voices people he's buried at Oakwood Cemetery in Chicago in August 2008 the year where a lot of a lot of things happen the Georgia historical society and the City of Savannah erected historical marker in Savannah at the corner of West Bay and Albion streets were albion's rabbits childhood home is the patronage patronage for pilgrim
00:14:51Congressional Church was once located his Hookah by the way off of the new Georgia encyclopedia because most of the articles that I found on him were very basic information this provided the most in-depth and as you research further into Robert A Pet's life you realize how much of an important figure he actually was there he was one first of all one of the articles I read about him said the only man to both fight white supremacist and Nazis not the article the article was written before the Trump Administration born just after the Civil War but died after World War II
00:15:51All Rights Movement now unfortunately but what his paper did the Chicago Defender what it did was it provided a voice for African Americans that they did not have before and it connected our communities all across the country when you're fighting so when you're still finding the south in the early 1900s and trying to get your paper to be infiltrated into the South you know that your paper is somewhat important and then to win and to spread the paper throughout the entire country becoming one of the most popular newspapers in the world or at least in the country that is absolutely amazing
00:16:28and I have no I have her I have a question for you because like I said it's not it's a crazy story 7s are so he wasn't a crazy person he did advocate for a little more violence then I personally would have but I'm also in a black man in the early nineteen-hundreds late eighteen hundreds or I probably would be in the exact same boat as he would have if you think about it honestly philosophical argument between Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Malcolm X I think
00:17:07was a little more willing to be aggressive way more will it get done what would what was this world what what could this country be if it wasn't for the Chicago Defender
00:17:26show pictures of an alternate universe for just a second by the Chicago. Create this magazine or newspaper what happens sadly I'm not sure I'd be all that different than what 8 years of trying to Administration would look like restaurant
00:17:52no that would be bad I mean
00:17:55the African American Unity would definitely not have that strong voice even if it was like you know one paper I mean all of the white ones are people who believe that the African American Community would have no voice even till today because it was I mean most likely addicted to two step ahead because White America that time was so so racist and it if people think that the north wasn't racist totally racist I mean if you think about it it's a little city right the boss of didn't even segregate their baseball team until every other baseball team had done that like racism was nothing but the schools are more segregated schools are one of them
00:18:55mistreated school districts in the entire country. And I mean specifically Boston Boston I was just in general in general of course private school but definitely there are a lot of people who believe that there would be no voice for the African-American Community because this was the ground breaker this was the one paper that allow black people to come together and say what they want what's an imported out in the public it seems like in history of like these breakthroughs happened I just wondered if it would have taken longer probably like somebody else would want that would have been another definitely because it seems like this happen fairly quickly if you think about in the time that the paper was established in 1905
00:19:5510 by 19 or early 1920s already 200,000 people were subscribing to this magazine of a black man in this country seems unrealistic and what I was reading the story I was just shocked that I never heard of this this is this is a groundbreaking event in American history whether you whether you knew it or not you know I mean it's definitely interesting and it is pretty amazing that one paper that's like such a difference I have a question for you so how long do you think until
00:20:34somebody gets ahold of like his speeches or his writings and then uses it in the Chevy commercial
00:20:43thankfully for him probably never just said that was so bad
00:20:55that that was a Dodge that they would use a probably be most likely singular voice of the Civil Rights happened to sell cars
00:21:05it's like I shut you off there it seemed to me like you can front it a racist and they put their hands up in the nephron just happened to Martin Luther King he's helping me so my car's pickup truck which which a lot of black people drive I don't know who has it was somebody the flat apartment I like using that would be like using Martin Luther King to sell Confederate flags
00:21:38might as well the photo part about that is somebody came up with the idea for sending it to a group of people and that group people looked at each other mostly his fucking fantastic let's get it to work and no one in that office no one down the line was really still says it's like it's like how many years until the like the Rosa Parks toaster looks like this this is ridiculous
00:22:14stop I'm just I really am shopping till somebody like that happening to me to have on Robert Abbott I'm just happy to share this story because I didn't know about it and it hurts cargo Defender Chicago I just like I feel bad when I don't know the stories I feel bad that I don't know these people who are way more inspirational than half the world today so lucky we even learned about the civil rights movement in school cuz if you read the text books and I was looking online and they're not teaching anymore but what doesn't Texas controversial was a hero
00:23:14you have that hat yet even though history shows one he was most likely hiding underneath the desk when the Mexicans actually invade it before and then too he might not even been there a little sneak preview for a possible Alamo episode one-hundred percent the questioner is it going to be here but I think so is it going to be in episode about Davy Crockett are we going to get ahold of you will find out for the event. Because of the stupid fucking movies that get made let's take a break just have her final thoughts on
00:24:14Robert Abbott
00:24:34someone said that is what I have on Robert Abbott what do you think
00:24:44it's incredible that he built an entire newspaper that really affected an entire Community country
00:24:56it actually allowed black communities all across the country in the time where there was not much technology I know it's amazing it's like when I think eventually I want to write and out a blog post for a website but I said the thing enough I want to do nothing like never before volume voiceless Community I'm taking the quote obviously away from I think I'm taking care of him taking the quote directly from Robert habit but they gave a voice-to-voice was Community which is one of the most important things that you can do and even till today regardless of race not having a voice is what destroys people and communities which is why we get to do this podcast
00:25:57not this one not this one
00:26:01but we don't have any other podcasts that we do so this is it this is our soul Focus
00:26:08that's not true otherwise would be really bad at focusing so I hope you enjoyed that short and sweet but important please look him up look up more of the stories you can find article Clips or clippings online it's at its inspiration not really is and yet there are some moments where it's a it's blatantly aggressive but you have to be to remember that when you're reading these newspaper articles but definitely look up Robert Abbott and you'll be entertained with a lot of lot of amazing facts as always you can find us at the apartments reacts where we have our
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00:27:59more different people out you know different dialogue exactly exactly so I think we'll probably have like another maybe 10 to 15 episodes left in the season okay will probably take off season 2 middle-parted season 1 episode 4 mid-season yeah that's why that last episode was the mid-season Premiere Stevie Lynn go there you have it done but in all honesty I do have a lot of awesome stories I'm preparing a head this time so we don't fall into the same kind of trap that I did before hand so sweet for a whole new episode on another important figure in history on Tom Austin and will be back next week
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