Full Transcript for I Will Find You...Sometime, Somewhere... | Chrono Cross (Ep. 177)

lot of folks let on. That is going to become 77 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:52.560 front and center today, center stage, that is, that's where 78 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:56.000 the spotlight's going to be. So I beat Cross beat 79 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:59.520 Cross again, I beat Trigger. I also started Radical Dreamers, 80 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:02.560 didn't finish it, though I'm surprised at how much I 81 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:02.879 like it. 82 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.000 Yeah, we were talking pre show about how I love 83 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:10.199 when a game, especially an older game, surprises me, and 84 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:13.599 I was also very surprised by how much I liked 85 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:17.879 Radical Dreamers. And I've not played the official translation, but 86 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:19.959 even when I was playing the fan translation, which was 87 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.079 quite good, there were a couple of weird things here 88 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:25.959 and there, but it was well done. I guess I 89 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:28.560 would describe my experience with Radical Dreamers as like there's 90 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:30.680 some even though I didn't play when I was a kid, 91 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:31.959 I feel sentimental about it. 92 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:35.040 I think it reminds me a lot of like I 93 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:39.360 wasn't a library kid capital L capital K whenever I 94 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:41.519 was younger, but I did really love checking out books 95 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:43.360 from the library, and I was particularly fond of the 96 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:46.199 Choose your Own Adventure Goosebumps books. It reminds me a 97 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.680 lot of that. I mean, yeah, you do get to 98 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:51.399 choose where you go and everything, but seeing the battles 99 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:55.639 described by Surge instead of you just you know, choosing 100 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:59.319 attack magic item, that's really neat, I admit, though I 101 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:02.720 didn't get far in in the story to actually have 102 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.279 really anything of notes so far. It's just kind of 103 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:08.439 been like an informal D and D session. But my 104 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:12.439 understanding is that it, like most of the Chrono universe, 105 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:16.279 is kind of nebulous insofar as how it ties in 106 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:19.079 and how it is a quote unquote canon. 107 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:21.040 Yeah, I think that's fair. 108 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.439 I think that a lot of the a lot of 109 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:25.079 the plot. 110 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.040 Points that we'll end up discussing in this in this 111 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:31.120 podcast are kind of layered in on the back end 112 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.040 of Radical Dreamers. So a lot of the things, a 113 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.800 lot of the revelations with Kid and I don't remember 114 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:39.639 if the Frozen Flame is part of this, but a 115 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:43.040 lot of the kind of lower reasons that Corona Cross 116 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:45.519 likes to lay on est late in the game are 117 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:47.000 all kind of there at least to seeds of them 118 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:47.399 are there. 119 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:51.839 And speaking of speaking of this podcast, that's what we're doing. 120 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:55.519 Hello before we start, though, we do have one more, 121 00:05:55.680 --> 00:06:00.839 one more piece of community forum correspondence. That's always nice. 122 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:04.120 That's a nice that's one nice thing about spaced out 123 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:06.639 episodes like this, as we can get some more folks contributing. 124 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:09.680 Speaking of somebody that you and I both know, this 125 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.079 is the dude, he's a Biden, and he says this 126 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:17.079 about Crono Trigger. He says, I played Trigger first, but 127 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:19.160 only at a friend's place, so I never finished it. 128 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:22.759 Before playing Cross. I finished Cross, but it never resonated 129 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.120 with me for reasons I'm not even sure of. Honestly, 130 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:27.759 my fondest memory related to the game is actually my 131 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:31.360 friend performing the time Scar on viola for a school 132 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:34.279 talent show. That's pretty cool. I'm not even gonna make 133 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:35.959 fun of the viola. That's a nice memory. 134 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:36.879 That's rocking. 135 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:40.600 Yeah, that's shaken. We're shaken, Okay, I. 136 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.519 Should I should have said shaken. I apologize. 137 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.480 No, man, the Radical Dreamers are moving you. You're hearing 138 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:48.040 that song. I can appreciate it. 139 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:48.759 True. 140 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:54.839 So this back half of this game, back third back half. However, 141 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:58.079 it is sliced up on that pie. It is a 142 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:03.439 lot they This is where almost all of the important 143 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:08.800 narrative setup comes in. It is I mean, okay, so 144 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:14.319 cards on the table. This is a messy, messy, messy game. However, 145 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:19.680 I came away and this is just, you know, relatively 146 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:22.319 soon after beating it, I came away. I would put 147 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:25.120 this in my top five PS one JRPGs. I had 148 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:28.399 a fantastic time. I adore a lot of what it's 149 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:30.439 trying to do. I respect a lot of

what it's 150 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:33.439 trying to do, I think, and I think that's I 151 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:36.959 think your mileage may vary on that. Like, I actually 152 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.399 think it was you that said this at some point, 153 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.480 whether it was on a recording or in this in 154 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.439 the server somewhere, Chris, but I think you had said that. 155 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.480 You found an interview where Masato Kato had said that, 156 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:50.319 Oh yeah, you know, I don't think about the themes 157 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:52.720 whenever I'm going to do a game, you know, I 158 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:55.639 want to make sure it's a good game. And I 159 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.240 think if you're looking at it that way, I can 160 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:02.879 see how Cross would be pretty underwhelming leave you feeling 161 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:06.480 pretty cold, and it's weird that he said that because 162 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:09.079 all of the interesting things, all of the cool risks, 163 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:11.800 the subversions that you had so aptly said, like at 164 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:14.160 the very beginning deconstruction, I think is actually what you 165 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:18.720 said so apt because that's where this game's identity and 166 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.560 risks come in, and that's what makes it shine. I 167 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:23.319 respect a lot of what it does. It doesn't always 168 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:26.560 stick the landing, it fumbles. It is it's a beautiful mess. 169 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:27.480 I love it. 170 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:27.800 Though. 171 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:31.240 I love this game so much. I loved so many 172 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:33.440 things about it. I'm so glad I went through it. 173 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:38.039 I do not agree with a lot of the hate 174 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:42.840 for it from the Krono Trigger Army, Capital CTA. But 175 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.519 you know, everybody has that one special game, so I 176 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.519 can see where they're coming from. That's kind of you know, 177 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:51.559 that's where it all is. Do do you have any thoughts? 178 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:53.799 I know that when when we had started talking about this, 179 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:55.399 I hadn't played it at all. I didn't know what 180 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:58.559 was coming up in retrospect. I said some things that 181 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:02.240 I'm sure you were biting your tongue a pretty pretty 182 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:06.279 sternly intently. Do you have any any thoughts now that 183 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:08.399 you're seeing somebody go through it? For the first time 184 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:10.200 having played it yourself, of course. 185 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:15.480 I think it's interesting to see how one progresses

through 186 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:18.759 this game where it kind of starts off with It 187 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:20.960 starts off with the vibe, and I think it carries 188 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.559 that vibe throughout the wistfulness that we've talked about, the 189 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:29.919 underlying sadness. The humans are the real virus themes that 190 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:34.240 are there too throughout the game, and it feels pretty 191 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:38.639 disconnected from its namesake from Chrono Trigger. For I don't know, 192 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:41.960 probably sixty sixty five percent of the game, there's a 193 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.279 couple of Lord drops here and there, but once you 194 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:47.399 kind of hit this back third of the game, it's 195 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:51.480 like the floodgates open. Yeah, the damn breaks, the levies break, whatever, 196 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:54.720 whatever you want to say, and all of the Chrono 197 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:59.039 Trigger stuff comes rushing through and then some It's interesting 198 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.759 that Kado said is that he doesn't really think about 199 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:04.799 the game, that the themes of the game. He just 200 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.440 makes the game. I think he's a liar. I don't 201 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:09.840 think he believes that when he says that, you know, 202 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:14.200 because the way this game is written, this game is 203 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:17.440 definitely written by somebody who's who's kind of their heart 204 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:19.159 is on their sleeve when they're when they're writting these 205 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:21.679 these things, they would be wistfulness that's out there. 206 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.440 Oh yeah, yeah, there is. There's a bit of a 207 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.600 reductionist argument. I would call it that that you can 208 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:32.840 say that the ending is basically just somebody's personal agenda 209 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:36.559 or personal mantra. Uh, how have manifesto whatever you want 210 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:38.519 to say, and they put it in there, and they said, okay, 211 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:40.440 how do we get there? And they you know, worked 212 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:42.440 from the beginning. They got to a certain point and 213 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:45.960 they said, we need way more time to make this work. 214 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.559 But yeah, we're on a deadline. That part I don't 215 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:52.039 think is reductionist. I think that probably honestly actually happened. 216 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:57.039 Uh yeah. I maybe it's like the whole uh what 217 00:10:57.399 --> 00:10:59.519 do you call it, the HR move that they did, 218 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:01.759 the PR move at the very beginning, where they're like, no, 219 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:04.000 this isn't a

trigger, this isn't a trigger, this isn't 220 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:05.960 a sequel to trigger. It's its own thing. 221 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:08.559 Yeah. That really does feel like marketing speak, doesn't it. 222 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:11.759 Yeah kind of. I'm glad that you mentioned that the 223 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:14.159 humans are the real virus thing. That's I think that's 224 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:17.120 something that we both well, I mean you know the game, 225 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:19.679 but I think that's something that I included in on 226 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:24.679 at some point, and it's interesting because I think, coming 227 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.600 away from it, I think that the game's thesis as 228 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:31.120 a whole use that as a bit of a guiding rail, 229 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:33.840 like holding your hand, leading you by the hand to 230 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:37.000 something bigger that I think this game is getting at, 231 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:40.799 and that's more so the consequences of being alive and 232 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:45.679 the consequences of humanity. V oh, who does I can't 233 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:47.879 remember which philosopher said it might have been Camu, but 234 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.440 said that we're condemned to be free because with all 235 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:53.279 of that freedom comes all the choices and responsibilities and 236 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:55.480 consequences that come with it. That's kind of what this 237 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:59.279 is getting at, which is part of where my trouble 238 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.360 comes in with the criticisms about it. When it concerns Trigger, 239 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.799 a lot of folks will say that it's Trigger was 240 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.720 so optimistic, said that you can do anything, and Cross 241 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:11.960 gets overtly nihilistic. And I don't think that's the message 242 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.919 that it ends on. I think it does want you 243 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.879 to consider that for a long time. But the ending, 244 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:20.480 to me, or actually I should say the good ending, 245 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:26.360 that's a whole Kerfuffle feels significantly more optimistic. But I 246 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.840 do like that they went away from the humans or 247 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:30.480 the real virus kind of thing into more of like 248 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:34.240 a consequences of humanity where it's like, yeah, environmentalism plays 249 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:36.440 a role, you know, how are we harming the planet. 250 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:38.679 But it's not just that. It's the colonialism like you 251 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:42.000 had brought up with Pore, the impact that we have 252 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:44.799 on other species like the dwarfs and the fairies, the 253 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.279 impact on our you know,

our neighbors. You know, whether 254 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:50.600 we encourage somebody to be a poet or stay in 255 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.000 their hometown and think that everything sucks and is hopeless. 256 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:55.440 You know, I do the latter to all of my 257 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:57.879 former high school friends. I berate them, I tell them 258 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.720 to stop chasing their dreams. But chronocrossis saying, no, don't 259 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:03.919 do that, or at least I think there. 260 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:05.559 Is like a little bit of a push and pull 261 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:09.559 between the humans are the real virus thing throughout the game, 262 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.200 because on one hand, you do see the environmentalism. 263 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:15.080 With the dwarves. 264 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:17.919 You see a little bit of that with Marbule, with 265 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:22.440 the like the the ghosts that are invading Marbule, and 266 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.200 the consequences of humanity, as you said, but also like 267 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:28.440 when you think about what's pulling the other direction is 268 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:33.480 the is lavos? And what is lavos if not a virus? 269 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:38.039 So it's like almost a meditation or even a battle 270 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.200 between how do we feel about this? How do we 271 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:46.080 feel about humanity? Are we the virus or can we 272 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:51.840 turn things back and stop the other virus, the lavos virus, 273 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:54.360 the one that is sucking all the energy out of 274 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.440 both the planet and eventually out of space time. 275 00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:58.799 I can see where. 276 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:02.159 You're coming from, you know what, Let's let's hold on 277 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:04.960 to that. Let's get into more of that. I think Lavos. 278 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.000 I don't remember if Lavos played a big role in 279 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:11.879 the previous episodes of this coverages whatever I suppose moving 280 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:14.000 forward as we go through this, obviously a lot of 281 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.039 this is not going to be beat by beat. There's 282 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.399 just there's just way too much freaking lore to do that. 283 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:25.759 It is impressively backloaded into this game. But if you're 284 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:27.399 going through this, if you've just played it for the 285 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:29.799 first time, I guess the question to keep in mind 286 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:33.279 is that if you've played Trigger, keep in mind that 287 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:38.120 idea that Chris had brought up, that of deconstruction everything 288 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:41.720 that Chrono Trigger did, whether it's the optimistic tone, you 289 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:45.360 can save fate, the hero will prevail. This game is 290 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:49.320 asking but what if there are consequences to that? Or 291 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:53.759 maybe but what if not? And I think there's a 292 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:56.519 lot of cool stuff that happens there. And speaking of 293 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:59.519 cool stuff, let's pick up with the mcguellancollie. 294 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:35.559 Yes, we had. 295 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:37.440 Just finished up with Miguel. We had talked to the 296 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.360 Krona Trigger kids. The sky Dragon saves you. It drops 297 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:44.320 you off back at Opassa Beach, kind of basically saying 298 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:46.320 that it wants to see how things play out, and 299 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.919 says that the next destination is the Sea of Eden, 300 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.279 and that you need to speak with the six other Dragons, 301 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.919 or with the six Dragons total. It is one of those. 302 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:00.360 So there's a lot of stuff that happens between this 303 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:04.440 being dropped off and finishing that last six Dragon. I'm 304 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:06.679 gonna lead it up to you, Chris. I don't really 305 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:08.720 have a lot to say about it. The gist is 306 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:11.759 that you're basically going to go through and defeat each 307 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:16.559 one while links in Surge's body is running a muck 308 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:19.759 and causing havoc like the entire village of Arnie is 309 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:24.679 completely deserted, Like they're all holed up in like in 310 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:28.279 the Chief's hut or around there to play it safe, 311 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:32.080 to be safe from links. They're so terrified. Pore has 312 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:35.559 completely invaded Termina. They've got everything on lockdown. The bar 313 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:39.200 is shut down, the shop is open to you anyway. 314 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:41.840 The innkeeper ran away and says, just stay here for free. 315 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.440 We're so terrified. Like things are bad. So you're kind 316 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:49.240 of on at least in the game, you would think diegetically, 317 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:51.720 you're on a bit of a time crunch. You aren't 318 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:54.159 playing the game, but things aren't great. You got to 319 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:57.639 go through get all of these dragons approval through battle. 320 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:00.360 I don't have a lot to say about any of that, 321 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:03.279 but there is quite a bit that happens. Is there 322 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:04.799 anything that you wanted to talk about. 323 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.119 Yeah, I just wanted to kind of make a comment 324 00:17:07.119

--> 00:17:11.200 about how these dragons are introduced from a structural a 325 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:14.960 JRPG structural standpoint. But so I remember when when I 326 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:17.640 first encountered this part of the game, when I played 327 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:19.839 it originally and I was told to go meet the 328 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.640 six dragons, I kind of felt like it was a 329 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.480 bit of a cop out, like I don't. I don't 330 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:29.839 always love RPGs, especially ones that are trying to do 331 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:33.200 something more when they tell me to go find the 332 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:35.519 various pieces of the try force, like, I really want 333 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.119 a little more on the little more meat on the bone. 334 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:40.079 I want to have a more of a. 335 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:43.599 Well crafted story or plot around what I'm doing at 336 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:45.440 all times. And so when I was told to go 337 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.000 find these six different colored dragons, I was like, well, really, 338 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:50.240 this is this how we're Is this how we're doing it? 339 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:55.519 But as the as the fandom wiki calls them that 340 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:57.160 there's a set. I was looking at the fandom wiki 341 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:01.279 just now to remind myself of something and under gender 342 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:05.200 for the for the dragons, it says cybernetic organism and 343 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:10.680 so there's a lot more interesting lore behind the dragons. 344 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:12.279 But I just remember when it was first introduced, I 345 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:14.319 was like, is this the kind of RPG that this 346 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.160 is going to be? Because I don't kron Trigger wasn't 347 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:19.000 like that. You know, every time you went from A 348 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.319 to B you really felt the reason why you were 349 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:24.000 going there, and chasing down dragons felt a little odd 350 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:25.440 to me, but I think. 351 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:26.319 There's a big payoff later. 352 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:27.640 I don't know how well. I don't know if that 353 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:30.680 payoff is positive or negative, but there is a payoff later. 354 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:33.640 I totally agree on all fronts. I felt the same way. 355 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:36.519 It felt like a bit of a time killer, a 356 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:40.240 time filler, time killer, time filler chrono. There's something in there. 357 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:43.480 Imagine the best joke and attribute it to me. I 358 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:48.000 think it's funny that you bring that up, because that's 359 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.440 another part of the backloadedness of this. I also don't 360 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.799 I also don't quite remember when they reveal that. I 361 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:58.319 think it might be in literally one line that I 362 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:01.079 have written down at some point, and they just kind 363 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.799 of don't dwell on it. Games like this fan the 364 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:08.039 fandom wiki, the chronocompendium for games like this, those are 365 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:11.559 total god sends to fill in. Yeah, some of these, 366 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:14.319 some of these gaps. It's it's a really cool world 367 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:16.880 that they've created, a really cool story. And I think 368 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:20.119 if you're not like in that from Cross, but then 369 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:23.799 also from Trigger, especially from Trigger during this last last half, 370 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.519 a lot of this is just going to wash right 371 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:31.720 off of you. You know it too. This isn't this 372 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:34.279 is a little bit tangential, but this reminded me of 373 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:36.640 you had said like when you found that out that 374 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:39.519 they were you know, cybernetic, or when you have to 375 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:41.440 get all six approval whatever, and you're like, I don't 376 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.440 know how this will play out. It reminded me at 377 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:46.799 this point too. Of course, this is the last episode. 378 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:50.559 I think spoilers can kind of freely fly, So I 379 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:53.359 wanted to say I was spoiled on a pretty big 380 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:57.279 point of this pretty early on, like way way way 381 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.880 back in disc one, beginning of it by I don't 382 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.119 remember what he's going by now TC in the retro 383 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:08.440 am discord made a joke, a Xeno Gears esque joke 384 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.880 like my father, you mean my cat dad, and you know, 385 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:14.000 kind of put that together like links is your dad. 386 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.039 I genuinely got so far into this game, like I 387 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:19.680 thought that I had an hour left and I was like, 388 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:21.759 I still haven't hit that reveal. What the hell is 389 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:25.079 going on? It's it's I don't know, it's so bizarre. 390 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.079 So much of this just comes at such a light 391 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:31.480 speed pace. At the end of this it is, you know, 392 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:34.599 it's I cannot deny, like I love it, but I 393 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:38.000 cannot deny that this game it needed a lot more 394 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:38.680 time in the oven. 395 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.960 The yeah, the cat dad thing is a little, a 396 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:47.359

little I guess reductionist, because I don't I never really 397 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:49.079 think of Links as serch as Dad. I think of 398 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:52.759 him more as a an envoy of the of the 399 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:55.720 fate system that happened to use his dad's body at 400 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:58.359 one point. I don't remember how he turned into a cat. 401 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:01.480 I think as thing to do with Surge's deepest fear. 402 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:05.759 Yeah, that's exactly it. And uh, in TC's defense, I 403 00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:08.680 think he was just making a joke. But uh, you know, 404 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:11.599 I also to be fair too, I got spoiled by 405 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:14.200 my own hand because I got a little bit too 406 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:17.440 risky with those character tier lists. Uh, not that I 407 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:19.039 care about them, like I'm not trying to mind Max 408 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:20.720 my team, but I was just, you know, I was 409 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:23.559 just looking just seeing who's where I think at the time, actually, 410 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:25.279 I think at the time I was looking up Skelly 411 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:29.799 and uh, oh, shoot Mickey, Mickey, because I knew you 412 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:31.400 could get her. But at the time I didn't have her, 413 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:34.200 and I got spoiled that Links was a party member potentially, 414 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:37.000 so I I thought that somehow that Links was going 415 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:40.240 to turn onto your side. Uh, but you know, we 416 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:41.279 saw how that turned out. 417 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:43.160 That's right. I thought you were going to say when 418 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:44.759 you when you said that you were spoiled. I thought 419 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.960 that you were going to say that you read about 420 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.160 the the fate the fate system, Uh, because I think 421 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:53.480 I had about it a little bit. 422 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:57.119 Yeah, yeah that too, that too, I did, And it's 423 00:21:57.160 --> 00:21:59.359 because I looked up that quote at the end of 424 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:02.599 the mcguelan Collie. But like, sometimes I love you so 425 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:04.000 much and that's why I want to smash. 426 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:04.359 You to bits. 427 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:04.880 Yeah. 428 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:07.480 Thing, Still have no idea, still have no clue what 429 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:07.960 that's about. 430 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:10.519 I went and reading about that after we had the 431 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:12.480 last podcast so I could come back and say something 432 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:16.559 interesting about it. And no, there's nothing. It's just it's 433 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:16.920 just there. 434 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:17.559 I don't really know. 435 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:43.960 Weird, weird, weird weird. A lot of stuff happens. You 436 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.720 get Grobic, new blue fighting mechanoid. Dude, do you. 437 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:49.440 Find him cool? 438 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:52.759 Because we had a big debate on our podcast on 439 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:54.720 whether or not Grovik was cool. I thought he was cool. 440 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:56.640 Eric Hatson, that. 441 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:57.640 Is a loaded question. 442 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:00.880 He's got a rocket fist, he's got cool hair. 443 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:03.000 I think it's pretty cool that he uses his hair 444 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:04.720 as a literal beam called haircutter. 445 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:09.599 Yes, yes, he's the he's the proto Beyanetta. He also, 446 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:13.799 you know, I'm sure that you recognize this, but we 447 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:17.079 should call it out. But grow big backwards is cyborg? 448 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:20.359 You know. I did not catch that. 449 00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:22.920 Actually, I think that's why Eric hates him, because that's 450 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:25.920 kind of a cop out and naming system. You know, 451 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:27.880 only al cards love to do stuff like that. 452 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.960 Oh sure, No, I didn't catch that. Geez. Yeah, it's 453 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:33.799 right in front of you too. Yeah, I don't know. 454 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:35.759 I I tried to use him a little bit in 455 00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:40.400 my switch playthrough. He's fine. I don't know. He's fine. 456 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:42.519 He's very strong, and I think he might be the 457 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:44.599 strongest physical attacker in the game. 458 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:47.680 Probably pretty close. Yeah, you could do a lot worse 459 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:48.359 than him. 460 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:53.920 Orcha turns into a hell demon hell Orcha. Yeah, before 461 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:56.839 he joined he and then he joins you. That's pretty neat. 462 00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:59.640 There's a sewer level pissed me off to no end. 463 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:04.000 I oh my god, dude, I rage quit once during that. 464 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:06.839 I don't even remember the sewers. Where the sewer's at. 465 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:09.039 It's you know, they're not even that big of a deal. 466 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:12.640 I don't think it's underneath viper manner. 467 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:14.279 Oh okay, I gotcha. 468 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:16.480 Yeah, as you're going to save Redell as she's getting 469 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:21.359 interrogated by Pore by uh, what's his face? Norris. I 470 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:23.319 liked him at first because, like I really liked the 471 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.759 system of turning on and off the water, the pressure 472 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:28.200 and stuff. But there was one

section that just turned 473 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:30.680 me around, and I was going in circles for a 474 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.759 half hour, and it just I was enraged. I couldn't 475 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:35.519 even figure out where I was, where I went wrong 476 00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:37.519 in the walkthrough, so I ended up just going back 477 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:40.880 to the beginning, retracing all of my steps. It was fine. 478 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:42.200 A bit of a pain, though. 479 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:44.559 Did you feel like they left something on the table 480 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:50.440 with the interaction between the Draccoons and Pore and the 481 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:54.559 entire interaction between those two factions and their their entanglement 482 00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:57.440 or do you think that it was there was enough there. 483 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:00.920 I think we could probably safely answer that question. Did 484 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:04.480 they leave anything on the table with just a blanket? Yes, yes, 485 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:08.000 a comma and then choose and or But yeah, no, totally, 486 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:11.160 Especially after playing Chrono Trigger and even what I did 487 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.680 play of Radical Dreamers. They bring up the dragoons. I 488 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:16.559 think they bring up Pore in there at least once. 489 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:20.039 But Krono Trigger obviously Pore is you know, it's a 490 00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:24.480 major town or a town anyway, pretty big part. Yeah, 491 00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:27.039 I really wish that we could have learned more about that. 492 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:31.039 It's interesting that we don't get so much that we 493 00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:33.519 don't get much on that one, because it feels like 494 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:38.079 there were a lot of characters and you know, geopolitical 495 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.279 things that you could explore with Pore and its interactions 496 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.599 with the larger Chrono Trigger world. But at the same time, 497 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.640 we're supposed to be on an isolated island as well, 498 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:50.400 where we're not supposed to know about the outside world, 499 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:55.079 given how this place was constructed by the time fortress 500 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.039 or whatever. We're going to get into soon. So I 501 00:25:58.079 --> 00:25:59.720 guess it kind of makes sense that we don't get 502 00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:01.759 to see much mainland stuff. But I think that if 503 00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:03.319 we could have explored those characters a little bit more, 504 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:05.720 we could have gotten a little bit more deeper into 505 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.200 their relationships and how they perceive. 506 00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:13.480 The ongoings of this of these islands, you know what. 507

00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:16.440 Too. Before I was just looking ahead to where we're 508 00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:19.440 about to go before we do, though, you know where, 509 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:21.400 that would have been cool to learn more about it, 510 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.440 like a whole flashback scenario, like a whole mini portion 511 00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:25.960 of the game. I think it would have been cool 512 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:31.000 is doing this side quest involving Dario, which gets you 513 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.839 the game breakingest weapon I've ever seen. 514 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:36.880 Yeah, do you mean the Master Mune? 515 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:38.400 I mean the Master Mune. 516 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:39.119 Yeah. 517 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.960 The whole Dario thing I thought was awesome because you 518 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.559 do get a little bit of a resolution, at least 519 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.599 a partial resolution of the Dragoon's storyline. 520 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:48.839 And Dario is. 521 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.839 I think they did a good job of larry layering 522 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:55.599 him into the backstory. In the limited amount of time 523 00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.640 we get to see Glenn and Karsh and all those 524 00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:03.000 people interact, we hear about Dario, and when we finally 525 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:04.960 get to meet him, it is it is a pretty 526 00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:08.000 pivotal moment. Maybe not for the larger plot, but I 527 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.119 think for like the way this game wraps up the 528 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:12.839 Dragoon storyline. 529 00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:16.440 I agree it's one of my Well, there aren't many 530 00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:18.319 side quests in this game, so I can't even say 531 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:21.000 it's one of my favorites, but I really liked how 532 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.160 they handled him. It's my favorite fight in the game. 533 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:27.079 I would say by far. It's very difficult, but there's 534 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:28.960 a trick to it, and if you learn the trick. 535 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:31.920 It's it's almost really tough to lose. 536 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:34.519 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the trick 537 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:38.920 is that he's always he often are always counters with 538 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:41.640 a certain element based on what you cast it before. 539 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:42.240 Am I wrong? 540 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.039 No, you're exactly right, And that's okay. That's where the 541 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.599 trick is. Is that he's got an attack pattern. It's 542 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:49.599 I don't know what it is. It's like attack twice 543 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.680 special move and then like a super special move or something, 544 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.400 and he'll just loop that. Oh, and then one of 545 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:59.359 those is also this is a proper turn, by the way, 546 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.440 countering the last element used with the opposite on whoever 547 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:06.559 used it or something. But you can interrupt that cycle 548 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.680 at any point by using any element on him, and 549 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.920 depending on what element you use, he's going to counter 550 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.039 with the opposite. And a nice trick is is if 551 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.200 you have a magic user, for example, you can just 552 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.359 use I think it's green, like something green, and he'll 553 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:27.039 hit that magic user with low res lowers their defense. 554 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:28.839 Actually that was a bad example. I think I meant 555 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.279 whichever one lowers their physical attack, But you know what 556 00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:34.400 I mean. You can choose the system a little bit 557 00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:38.960 by interrupting his turn count forcing those counters that kind 558 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.079 of debuff you, but in a way that doesn't matter, 559 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:43.880 and functionally you can get through the fight just fine. 560 00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:45.599 I didn't know that my first time around, and I 561 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.920 got slaughtered. It just was not even close. He is 562 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.720 a tough, tough cookie. 563 00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:54.640 I have multiple memories of bosses that I got stuck 564 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:57.519 on when I was younger. One of them is the 565 00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.960 Bronze Dogs from Lunar, and the other one. 566 00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:00.759 Is is Dario. 567 00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.519 And it's because I did not recognize this pattern until 568 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:07.400 I was a fully grown adult. I think it's what happened. 569 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:09.400 I may have not even recognized it as a fully 570 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.039 grown adult. I may have just read about it, But 571 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.079 I remember this being extremely difficult and having to just 572 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.720 get by on the teetering on the edge of life 573 00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:18.640 and death, let's put it that way, in order to 574 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:20.920 get through it. But you're right, you can just kind 575 00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:23.240 of breathe through if you know what to do. 576 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.960 Yeah, if the cogs of fate are turning in your noggin, 577 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:27.319 you're gonna get through just fine. 578 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.880 Yes, Now, did you were you able to do this 579 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.559 with Glenn and your party or you took the alternate route? 580 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.799 I think no, I saved kids, so I never got 581 00:29:37.839

--> 00:29:39.880 the chance to get Glenn and for some reason in 582 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:41.839 my switch play through, I did the exact same thing. 583 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:44.559 And I remember I said that it sounded like a 584 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.279 worse game whenever we talked about that at first, with 585 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.039 the option to not save her. I think at the 586 00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.079 time I didn't realize that kid was going to come 587 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:54.039 back no matter what, Like Kid was going to be 588 00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:56.559 saved no matter what. I don't know. I thought that 589 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.359 she would just be gone until the plot needed her, 590 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:00.559 right right. 591 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.160 Well, you were talking about you reminded me and I'm 592 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.240 trying to see if you have to do this with 593 00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:09.160 glennon or for this to occur, and uh, the internet 594 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:10.960 is telling me no. But when you were talking about 595 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.880 broken weapons, first of all, let's can we talk. But 596 00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:15.359 before I get into that, let me talk about the 597 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.000 Master Immune. I think sure that was a cool callback, 598 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.519 even though it was out of nowhere. It was a 599 00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:26.440 cool callback to see the the Masamune become whole again, 600 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:28.599 because I was pretty pissed at it. They turned it 601 00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:30.559 into an evil sword, so it was that that that 602 00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.839 entire section was was nice to see that thing become 603 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.640 hole again, even though it kind of feels like they 604 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:39.559 shoehorned it into the game to be an ultimate weapon. 605 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:41.039 I'm still in. 606 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:44.200 Here for it, right, especially the role that Massa and 607 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:47.799 Muni played in Corono trigger Like, having just replayed it, 608 00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:50.039 they're much more prominent than I remember. 609 00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:52.759 Yeah, yeah, there's it's a whole It's a whole thing. 610 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.160 Let's put it that way. But the other broken weapon 611 00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.519 in this game is the is When you are Glenn, 612 00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:01.359 you can equip the islandser once you get it throughout 613 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:03.960 the story, but then you can go back to I 614 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:08.559 believe the Dario's Grave in the another world or in 615 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:11.000 the homeworld doesn't matter. You go back to the other 616 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.599 world and get the Ininlancer again, and then Glenn can 617 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:18.240 dual wield Islancers and it's it's also one of the 618 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:19.440 most broken things in the game. 619 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:24.839 Oh that's so badass, though, especially with how cool Garai 620 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.240 is it Gray the dual wields them when you fight him. 621 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:31.039 Mm hmm. Yeah, especially and that's Glenn's dad appropriately enough. 622 00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:35.200 Glenn's dad is a great question. I thought Garay was 623 00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:35.839 older than that. 624 00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.200 You got to be older to be his dad, older 625 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:40.920 than his dad would be. 626 00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.839 Hold on, let's find out. I'm gonna look great right now. 627 00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:45.240 Oh did I say his dad. I meant his father. Sorry. 628 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.400 Oh yeah, okay, I needed that point of clarification. Let's 629 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.000 see here. Yes, he was born to Garai in one 630 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:54.599 thousand and eight and raised in a log cabin with 631 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.279 Dario next to Zappa's smithy. 632 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:57.559 There you go, right there. 633 00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:00.720 Hey we did it. Yeah, that is very cool. That 634 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:05.400 whole scene with fighting Gry Badass another really great fight. 635 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:07.160 That's cool to hear that Glenn can do that. So 636 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.799 it's is it just busted in terms of its damage stat. 637 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.519 Yeah, it's really strong. And then one other thing to 638 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:16.319 note here is that Glenn has a dual tech with Serge, 639 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.319 which is the the X Strike, which is a call 640 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.279 back to the Krono and Frog X Strike, and it 641 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:27.880 just becomes supremely broken when one has the Master Mune 642 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:29.960 and the other one has the dual is Lansers. 643 00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:30.680 It's very strong. 644 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.680 So the Master Mune, once you get it, you can 645 00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:38.200 equip it to Serge. It functionally creates pretty much every time, 646 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.519 like eight out of ten times it's gonna quit. You 647 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:43.000 are going to be doing Bookoo damage throughout the rest 648 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.920 of the game. It makes a lot of these battles 649 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.079 pretty inconsequential. I didn't struggle with a single thing after 650 00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:54.160 fighting Dario, even up until the very very final couple 651 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:57.519 of bosses. Just easy, psy And you know, you can 652 00:32:57.559 --> 00:32:59.519 always just do that question and not equip it. But 653 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:10.160 you're not going to do that. We both know it. 654 00:33:20.200 -->

00:33:23.160 Did you ever go back to the destroyed viper manner 655 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:24.200 after doing this quest? 656 00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:26.200 No? I didn't do you get something special? 657 00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.000 You don't get anything special from a mechanical standpoint, but 658 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:34.079 Daria will be there, and he decides to start an 659 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.480 orphanage at the site of the destroyed viper manner. 660 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.440 Oh nice. I kind of like that too. I mean, 661 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:41.920 that's obviously a theme with Luca. 662 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:43.839 Oh yeah, good point. 663 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:46.359 I'm not even gonna say anything just yet because we're 664 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:48.559 going to talk about that, but this game does kind 665 00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:50.519 of have that nested as a theme within there of 666 00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:53.960 they talk about that returning to the scene and then 667 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:58.279 being reborn, like that sort of cyclical idea of eternal recurrence, 668 00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.319 eternal rebirth, things like that. That's sort of nested within here, 669 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.119 and they do that seemingly too in a few different 670 00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:08.320 areas with the next generations, you know, looking after the 671 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:10.440 next generations to make them. And that's kind of a 672 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:13.599 universal theme you could say about just about anything. But 673 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.920 I don't know. They did orphanages twice, so I guess 674 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:21.440 it's I guess it's worth mentioning. So Master Mune, Master Mune. 675 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.159 Once you have that. Once I had that, I went 676 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.639 to Fortragonia. That's after defeating the six Dragons. The six 677 00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:34.280 Toads Toads Worms Dragons, you go to Fortragonia where you 678 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.400 start the game, and it culminates with a fight with 679 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:44.840 Dark Surge aka links in your body. Totally total. It 680 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.679 was over for me at the time. On my PS 681 00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.440 one play through, Ridell's Magic was just insane. I had 682 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.920 Karci's Level seven tech and the Master Mune two turns 683 00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:55.039 and the battle was done. 684 00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.280 Wow, So you. 685 00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.119 Did the You must have done that Dario thing a 686 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.000 lot earlier than I did. 687 00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:03.519 Yeah, I was. 688 00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:04.400 You can get it. 689 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.519 Pretty much anytime, so that's cool. 690 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.119 Yeah, I was. You know, I don't love following guides, 691 00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:12.360 but I was following a guide and it suggested just 692 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.079 doing it. Then kind of glad I did. I mean, 693 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.559 I struggled real bad with Dario at the time, but 694 00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:21.679 you know, I don't know, I'm fine with it. It 695 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.360 does make a lot of these fights pretty simple. Though 696 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:27.199 you beat him, you lose. In the cut scene, he 697 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:29.480 gets away and at the top this is where we're 698 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:32.039 finally going to get our body back in a way. 699 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:36.320 But when you do that, you proceed inside alone and 700 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:41.239 you get some interesting lore. The dragon teer is up here, 701 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:45.840 and you get this whole evolutionary timeline. And here's the text. 702 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.000 Here's what it says. All life is born of the sea. 703 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:51.960 The life forms softly slumbered within the womb of our 704 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.159 mother ocean, until eventually they develop free will and we're 705 00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.000 able to swim out the ocean freely. Then there came 706 00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:00.480 those that not satisfied with life on the water, looked 707 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.039 up from the ocean floor towards the blue skies and 708 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:06.480 dreamed of the feel of the land. Pretty straightforward, so 709 00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.960 far eons passed before the preposterous dream became a reality, 710 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.000 and they rose up from the seas onto the earth. 711 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.840 The land became full of all kinds of creatures. Among 712 00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.559 these the dragon lizards and the more evolved reptites. Thought 713 00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.079 that they would rain over the earth forever, and for 714 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.920 a long while it seemed that they would However, the 715 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.039 unforeseen coming of the mighty One from the heavens suddenly 716 00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:31.639 smashed their kingdom to pieces, the one known as Lavos, 717 00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.760 the great crimson Flame. Wielding absolute power, Lavos buried the 718 00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.760 dinosaurs the kings of the land in the space of 719 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:42.320 a night. However, the timid apes, who had lived hidden 720 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.000 in the forests, came into contact with the Crimson Flame 721 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:48.840 that fell from the sky and evolved into humans. Perhaps 722 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.880 this was not evolution but transformation. Regardless, humans increased in 723 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:56.719 number and filled the Earth, the fearsome progeny of Lavos, 724 00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:00.960 just like their progenitor, began to devour our mother planet. 725

00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:06.119 So the consequences of humanity our consequences on the Earth 726 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.840 and on everything around us, and we being the progeny 727 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.000 of Labos. I think that's very interesting, especially considering, you know, 728 00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.280 the Greek myth of Prometheus is sort of the one 729 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:18.679 at least in you know, in Greek myth of how 730 00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:22.400 humans came to be Prometheus in this game is robo, 731 00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.280 something you might not have even learned in Chrono Trigger. 732 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:28.639 Actually that's optional, so you might that whole section that 733 00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.559 that's coming up might fall totally flat, But here it's 734 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:34.519 less of a divine blessing and more of a sort 735 00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:38.119 of a sort of an artifacting off of a cursed object, 736 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:41.119 nothing but bad things. And I'm kind of glad that 737 00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:44.000 they didn't hone in on that and really make that 738 00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.880 a focus. I don't think it was so cliche at 739 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.199 the time, but you know, humans are the real virus. 740 00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.960 It's it's just been done so many times before, probably 741 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.920 better too. And also I think it would have convoluted 742 00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:58.599 an already pretty convoluted story that they would have had 743 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.920 to cut more and things just wouldn't have flown as 744 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.679 well as they're trying to now. I do think it's neat, though. 745 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.400 I think it's I appreciate that they're bringing Lavos back 746 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.840 to this as often as they can to remind you 747 00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.000 that it is kind of at the center of everything 748 00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.199 and that it's far more powerful than you might have realized, 749 00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:21.840 or at least I realized. 750 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.719 And this is also the first time that well it's 751 00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:27.360 not the first time that we hear about Lavos in 752 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.480 this game, I don't think, but it's the first time 753 00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.320 we hear about the reptites, which was something that kind 754 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:34.960 of took me for a loop the first time I 755 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.239 played this game, I was like, so we're going there too, right? 756 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:41.400 And at first it feels like a reference to like 757 00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:44.360 kind of fill you in on the backstory or the 758 00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:48.880 lore that we're leading up to by just briefly mentioning 759 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.079 the Reptites. But as we'll find out later, the Reptits 760 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:56.480 are much more intertwined with the story than simply just 761 00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:01.280 a history or a prehistory to the the uh, the 762 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:02.719 Frozen Flame and the Dragon Teer. 763 00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:07.159 Yeah, and I can't remember in Chrono Trigger, whenever you 764 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:11.440 go back and fight Azala in that whole timeline, is 765 00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:13.880 that is that a separate timeline or is that like 766 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.559 where the timeline could have split for the Reptits to 767 00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.760 win back then as well against Elis tribe, like that 768 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:20.679 whole battle. 769 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.760 That the the Reptits, as we'll get into, I'm sure 770 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:28.800 the Reptits timeline did not split in my understanding until 771 00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:32.239 the time that Chronopolis was sent back through time. 772 00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:36.800 Okay, okay, man, there's gonna there's gonna be a lot 773 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:37.039 of that. 774 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:37.639 Yeah. 775 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.880 I stopped there so I wouldn't say anything wrong. Yeah. 776 00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:45.280 You, So, after you get this little info dump, history 777 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.840 surge is literally reborn and new. We get a birth 778 00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:52.800 sequence returns to the sea and comes from the sea. 779 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:56.400 He's engulfed in this water. This is a pretty trippy 780 00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.360 between this and like the transformation into Links, this game 781 00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:02.559 isn't afraid to do some pretty whacked out stuff with 782 00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:08.000 its cgs. But you sort of get reborn. You're an 783 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.400 infant and you grow alarmingly fast into a big naked man. 784 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.679 Well not a man, however, Old Serge is sixteen seventeen, 785 00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:20.480 and of course you magically get clothes too, so that's nice. 786 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:24.000 But you're back. This isn't in your front too, This 787 00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:26.960 isn't your real body, This is just a new one. 788 00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.280 Links still has your body, so but you're you're reborn 789 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:36.239 anew and this this, this cracks me up. I'm just 790 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:40.480 gonna read what happens here. The tear cracks, it shatters, 791 00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:43.480 it breaks, which and at the time you're like, oh man, 792 00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.559 this is a big deal. You walk out and Stina, 793 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:53.079 the priestess from the Dragonian shrine in goldof goldof yes, 794 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.719 thank you. Here's what Steina says. Steina says, there's nothing 795 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:58.719 we can do about

the dragon tear. It's shattering does 796 00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.079 not come as a surprise. However, you also carry the 797 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.920 fate of the Dragon Teer from another world, the broken 798 00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.039 pieces of Love and Hate. Although contradictory, there are two 799 00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.360 sides of the same coin. A mysterious force may come 800 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.199 to light when the two pieces are united. Perhaps this 801 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.920 force will be the legendary Chrono Cross. The only problem 802 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:20.800 is the shrine, which is said to give life to 803 00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:23.559 the Cronocross, is nothing but a cavern. She kind of 804 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.199 hints it as to where it's at. I don't know 805 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.800 what the thought process behind this could have been, other 806 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.920 than we've got to get the namesake into the game 807 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.679 as like an object. I really love and hate two 808 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.960 sides like the Dragon Teer. I'm gonna be honest with you, man, 809 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.639 I still don't even really know the import of the 810 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.119 Dragon Teer. I don't know. This all feels this is 811 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.119 sort of the beginning where it feels like they're doing 812 00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.519 stuff just to get to where they knew they wanted 813 00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:59.719 to go, and that's more important than how they got there. Again, 814 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.639 the game, it does feel like they do that quite 815 00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:03.079 a bit, though. 816 00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:06.119 I think you're absolutely right, because the Dragon Teer does 817 00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:10.159 feel kind of shoved in here a little bit because 818 00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:14.039 we've been hearing so much about the existence of the 819 00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.920 Frozen Flame, and then suddenly we are confronted with the 820 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:21.679 importance of the Dragon Teer, with not a whole lot 821 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.119 to go on to understand why it's important, and as 822 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:26.480 far as we can tell, I don't know if we 823 00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:28.079 can tell this now at this point in the game, 824 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:29.519 but by the end of the game, as far as 825 00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.599 we can tell, the Dragon Teer is just some sort 826 00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:37.840 of mystical object that was crafted by the ancient Dragonians 827 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.639 or the Reptits, if you will, and it is important 828 00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:48.079 to create the Chrono Cross. But I don't understand why 829 00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:52.599 the Chrono Cross is intertwined with the existence of the 830 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.800 Dragon Tier, because I always thought the Chronal Cross had 831 00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:59.400 something to do with Belthazar's master plan, And how can 832 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.599 that be part of his master plan if it had 833 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:07.119 to do with the Dragonians from the split timeline that 834 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:12.239 his fortress went to war with during the time crash. 835 00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:14.679 Is that enough proper nouns for you? Like? 836 00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:16.800 It just doesn't You can there's a lot of things 837 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:17.840 in this game you can connect. 838 00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.639 I can connect with my yarn on the on the corkboard, 839 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:21.719 but I cannot connect this one. 840 00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:23.400 It's it's this one's more difficult. 841 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:26.880 Yeah, I got nothing. I got nothing other than you know, 842 00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.599 maybe there's an explanation that Belthazar just foresaw all of this. 843 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:33.119 There's there's a line or two that makes me think 844 00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:36.239 that's probably just an answer and answer to everything, like 845 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.039 he knew it, he knew it was coming, he foresaw it. 846 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.800 Maybe I don't know, but this is really the only 847 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:44.880 hint that you get that this is an item in 848 00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.440 the game that you might want to think about getting 849 00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.719 if you want to get an ending kind of if 850 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.960 you want to get and ending. Really, but that's it. 851 00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.079 That's your hint. I wouldn't have figured it out personally, 852 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:01.199 especially because that part in the map, the Divine Dragon falls, 853 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.480 it's not marked. You just have to know to go 854 00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:05.559 there and press X and get in there. 855 00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:06.440 Yeah. 856 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.679 I think there's a couple of places where you can 857 00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.679 get where you can get a clue here and there. 858 00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:16.840 But this game does a pretty bad job of giving 859 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:20.599 you the grammar, so to speak, to deal with its puzzles, 860 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.079 because not only is this a problem, but the way 861 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:24.800 you have to unlock the final ending is also a 862 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:27.320 problem because while the game does like layer in some 863 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.360 hands here and there, it doesn't actually go all the 864 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.239 way and teach you how to how to solve it. 865 00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:35.119 If you're gonna have a good puzzle in a game, 866 00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:36.599 you need to be taught how to solve it. If 867 00:44:36.599 -->

00:44:40.639 it's not completely intuitive, and the Corona Cross itself is 868 00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:41.880 not intuitive at all. 869 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:46.119 Yeah, completely agree. It's there are a lot of you 870 00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:48.079 could say a lot of JRPGs don't put the trust 871 00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.719 in their players and they kind of spoon feed you stuff. 872 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:53.719 They over corrected with this. I think they put too 873 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.400 much trust into me. I'm dumb and I need some help. 874 00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.719 Yeah, this reminds me of On our p cast recently, 875 00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:04.880 we've been talking a little bit about Rako Kodama who 876 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.559 worked on Fantasy Star four in Skys of Arcadia, and 877 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:12.840 she when they were designing Fantasy Stars, she did not 878 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:16.559 want to put any uh numbers in the game, like 879 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:20.440 weapon values in the game, because there was She didn't 880 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:24.199 want to that level of abstraction, and somebody had to 881 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:26.920 tell her no. I feel like somebody needed to tell 882 00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.639 Kato or whoever made this decision no on some of 883 00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.440 these some of these in game scenario pieces that you've 884 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.280 got to you've got to extrapolate. We need we need 885 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.920 a little bit more on the edge. So like you don't, 886 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:41.039 we don't have. We don't want to. 887 00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:41.880 We don't want to. 888 00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:44.639 Have to be smart to beat Corona Cross. We want 889 00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.920 to have we want to feel smart, and they don't 890 00:45:46.920 --> 00:46:09.320 do a very good job of making you feel smart. 891 00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:14.239 We're getting into this place called Fort Cronopolis. You had 892 00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:18.800 mentioned a little bit about Dinopolis. Fort Kronopolis is sort 893 00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:24.639 of it's one side of that Duopolis. Sure, it is 894 00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.800 a research facility. It's it's pretty clear. It's very clearly 895 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:32.679 that and between talking to some of these ghost apparition figures, 896 00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:35.880 there are like people around between that and I think 897 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.119 there's like a plaque on the wall somewhere. This is 898 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.639 the year twenty four hundred AD, which if you've played 899 00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.880 Chrono Trigger, that's one hundred years after the Ruined Future 900 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:48.480 where you find Robo and Proto Dome or is that 901 00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:49.039 twenty four. 902 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.039 Hundred it's twenty three or twenty four. 903 00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.599 Yeah, yeah, it's the same. It's it's roughly the same time, 904 00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.599 but it's this is advanced enough and clearly not ruined 905 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.280 to indicate this is a branch of the timeline. 906 00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:01.760 I e. 907 00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:06.679 This is the timeline that Chrono and crewe defeated Labos. 908 00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.599 This is the saved timeline, the timeline that shouldn't have 909 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:15.920 been According to mcgallan, cally, you learn so much throughout here, 910 00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:18.840 and actually I'm realizing I didn't write some of it down. 911 00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:24.159 But that's okay, because we're experts, we're smart, so cool, 912 00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:25.760 we feel smart anyway. 913 00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.559 Yeah, let's make ourselves feel smart by talking broadly about what. 914 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:30.079 This thing is. 915 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.039 I don't know if we learn to hear, but we'll 916 00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:34.400 learn it at some point in this game. And I 917 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.639 think all spoilers on the table now, right, mm hmm. Okay, 918 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.239 So throughout the course of the rest of this game, 919 00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:44.199 we learned that Chronopolis is a product or an invention 920 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:48.119 of of Belthazar, who was one of the three Guru 921 00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:51.760 that the time Guru or whatever that we met in 922 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.239 chronol Trigger And is he the same guy we met 923 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:56.039 in the library in fiber manner? Possibly? 924 00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:57.400 I think that's him, right. 925 00:47:57.719 --> 00:47:58.559 Yeah, that's him. 926 00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.599 Okay, I couldn't remember which one if there were two 927 00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:03.440 gurus in this game or not. 928 00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:05.760 Oh, don't do that. Don't throw that variable in there, man. 929 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.199 I'm pretty sure there's nothing I know milkyers not And 930 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.880 I think maybe gas bar was not either. Okay, anyway, 931 00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:16.000 let's go ahead and stop talking about the gold frankensins OFMRR. 932 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.679 The he built. I'm not exactly sure why he built it. 933 00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:21.079 I don't know if it was just like to study 934 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.960 the flow of time or figure out how to change 935 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:27.320 the past before the past got or the future got 936 00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:28.679 fixed by Krono and friends. 937 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:29.079 I don't know. 938 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.039 But what we do know is that this place is 939 00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:34.639 powered by the frozen flame. And that's part of why 940 00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:39.800 the frozen

flame is so important as this like mcguffin 941 00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.920 or lower object, and we will find out, or maybe 942 00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:48.159 we already know that the frozen flame is a a 943 00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:53.920 shard of lavos. It's a fragment of lavos that perhaps 944 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:57.400 maybe transcends time. I'm not quite sure. I do know 945 00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.480 that it is like some sort of energy source. Also, 946 00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:04.239 this place, if I remember correctly, is run by a 947 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.880 computer system or an AI or whatever you want to 948 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.280 call it, called called Fate. Those are the I think 949 00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.639 the overarching facts of what of what Chronopolis is and 950 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:18.760 what it's supposed to do. If you would like to 951 00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:21.440 talk about what happened, we can we I can proceed. 952 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.480 No, yeah, we might as well that's yeah, that's spot 953 00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:28.360 on Fate. When Miguel, Miguel started referring to Fate in 954 00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.960 all caps, and when I saw that, I was like, 955 00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.280 what does that mean. That's when I looked up that 956 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:35.079 quote online. That's when I saw that Fate was a 957 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:40.679 like a thing, a computer program, an entity. This is 958 00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:43.800 the clue as to why he did that. You start 959 00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:48.400 seeing Fate being typed spoken in all caps. It's a 960 00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.719 computer program. It runs this place here. They're all doing 961 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.199 experiments on the frozen flame. I think we learned that 962 00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:55.880 it's part of Lavos, like at the very very tail end. 963 00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:58.960 At the same time, I've also been wiki surfing quite 964 00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.239 a bit, so a lot of this stuff is sort 965 00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:03.000 of muddled up in my noodle. 966 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:04.840 Yeah, yeah, me too. 967 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:10.159 I mentioned earlier the term time crash, and that's capital 968 00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:14.880 T capital C TC TC shout out. I don't remember 969 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.639 what call it the time crash. Maybe you do, but 970 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.599 something call it the time crash, some sort of historical event. 971 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.280 I actually do now that you mention it. I think 972 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:28.440 Kid says that it the flame goes out of control, 973 00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.039 and I think it was due to bellth Azar's testing, 974 00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:34.719 like desperately wanting to have control over this time to 975 00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.679 undo a lot of the shit that Lavos has wrought 976 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:40.440 onto the world. 977 00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:46.519 Right, Yeah, Okay, so the mad Scientists experiment causes this 978 00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:50.280 time crash, which somehow I guess because through the power 979 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:55.000 of Lavos or what have you, throws Chronopolis I think, 980 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:59.360 ten thousand years into the past. M Then the entire 981 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:03.159 thing kind of goes goes wrong. Science goes wrong, science 982 00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:06.559 goes bad. I'm not sure if it's if it's implied 983 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.119 or if this is just something that I've always thought, 984 00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:11.800 but like it feels to me like since it was 985 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:15.440 powered by part of Lavos, Lavos had some sort of 986 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:20.119 of doing some hand in this, some hand in sending 987 00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:25.639 this thing backward in time in order to I guess survive, right, 988 00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:27.559 because we know Lavos is going to be killed by 989 00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:31.559 Chrono and friends. But in twenty four hundred AD, when 990 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:37.199 Lavos has already read havoc on the world, it's also 991 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:40.519 in I guess in current present day or whatever, it's 992 00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:44.400 trying to figure out a way to survive the event 993 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:47.360 of Chrono trigger. So perhaps Lavos is the one who 994 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:51.599 pulled Chronopolis back in time in order to calls whatever 995 00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.920 we're about to talk about and I think. 996 00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:58.639 That's explicitly mused over by somebody else. I can't remember 997 00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:02.639 if its belt is our kid, but let's catch folks 998 00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:05.280 up just in case, real quick. So Lynks is up 999 00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.440 here at the top of Chronopolis. You go through the 1000 00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.320 whole center. I like it quite a bit. It's a 1001 00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.079 nice little dungeon. You get to talk to as many 1002 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:15.559 of these ghosts as you want to get some details 1003 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:18.320 about them. Doing the testing, you get some more info 1004 00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:23.000 about the reptits and their civilization. They mentioned Zeel quite 1005 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:26.039 a few times, the magical city of zeal It's apparently 1006 00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:29.280 seen as a myth. Nobody can find any records that 1007 00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:34.039 it even occurred, so presumably Lavos wiping it out achieved 1008 00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:36.880 whatever it was looking for. Lynx is the very top 1009 00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.119 frozen there. Oh sorry, yeah, sorry, Well I was gonna say. 1010 00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:41.800 One other thing that you can find in here is 1011 00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.039 a

I think you can read on a computer screen. 1012 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:50.599 The first paragraph or two of Radical Dreamers is in 1013 00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:53.800 Oh yes, And I'm not sure what that implies. I'm 1014 00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:55.599 not sure if that's a funny easter egg or if 1015 00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:57.679 that's supposed to imply that that is also one of 1016 00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:02.559 these time shards of or timelines. 1017 00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:05.679 Yeah, it's like a little log, like a digital diary. 1018 00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:09.239 And what's interesting is it's it has kids saying the 1019 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.079 exact thing she says the beginning of Krono Cross say 1020 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:15.320 your prayer's link not like links, not like it'll do 1021 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:18.519 any good, or something to that effect, which then throw 1022 00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:22.119 then throws in a bunch of questions like, Okay, well 1023 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.960 was that an offshoot of something else? Like is Surge 1024 00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.920 some sort of reinc There are so many questions, man, yep, 1025 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.400 And you know what I think at this point, I think, 1026 00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:35.079 I think maybe that's just the point. The point is 1027 00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:37.719 to have the questions. And Kato sits back in his 1028 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.760 chair and says, well, what do you think, and then 1029 00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:45.920 says good, good, you're thinking good. But is it canon? Misato? Kato, hmmm, 1030 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:50.519 is it canon? What do you think? Chrono Cross, that's it. 1031 00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:51.159 That's what it is. 1032 00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:53.960 The Lynx is up here with the frozen flame and 1033 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:58.559 the fake computer. Lynx himself is well human in quotes 1034 00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:02.760 the human incarnation of the computer come to life. When 1035 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.719 Wazuki and Miguel found themselves here during that storm. They 1036 00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:10.719 sort of did a rough landing here. Super stormy Surge 1037 00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:14.280 was injured. He got bitten by that panther demon Surge 1038 00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.800 came into contact with the Frozen Flame. Just so happened 1039 00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:21.119 to during the ten minutes that this research facility was 1040 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:26.239 shut down due to the weather, which surprisingly kind of cool. 1041 00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:30.679 There's a reason behind that this cause not only did heal, Surge, 1042 00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.239 he's totally fine now, it caused the system to recognize 1043 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.519 him as the Arbiter of the Flame. And he's been 1044 00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.719 called that before by links. I think to get in here, 1045 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:44.000 it recognizes you as the arbiter. Question for you, this 1046 00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:47.239 is just purely for me. I can't quite remember the arbiter. 1047 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.119 Do they need to get in there with his credentials 1048 00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:55.199 as the arbiter to mess with the Fate computer? Like, 1049 00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:59.199 is it only the Arbiter and or Luca that can 1050 00:54:59.199 --> 00:54:59.719 mess with that? 1051 00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:03.960 I think you're right, I think that original I'm not 1052 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.440 sure originally what was supposed to be the key to 1053 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:09.320 get into the Frozen Flame or to get into the 1054 00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:14.159 Fate system, But Serge becomes that. And I think that's 1055 00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:16.440 why Linx calls him the Chrono trigger, because he's the 1056 00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:18.199 he's the one that's able to like open. 1057 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.119 This open open these doors in order. 1058 00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:26.559 To control the the Time Fortress. As to why the 1059 00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:30.480 ghost children back when we when we originally confronted Miguel 1060 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:36.559 were angry at Serge for messing everything up, is because 1061 00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.199 of this moment. Is because he lived instead of died 1062 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:44.800 because of of of the frozen flame which locked everyone 1063 00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:50.119 out of the Time Fortress and the then thus giving 1064 00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:54.559 well that part. I'm still unclear on like how that 1065 00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:57.639 messed up Chrono's victory, but I'm I'm I think I'll 1066 00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.960 get there as we continue to discuss this, because like 1067 00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:02.280 every now and then, when you're in the middle of 1068 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.920 talking about this, Lord, you're like, wait a minute, how 1069 00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.039 does this work? I don't know, but I think we're 1070 00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:08.199 getting closer and closer. 1071 00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:11.639 Yeah, only a couple more playthroughs, over a couple more years, 1072 00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:16.000 we'll get there. Here's what Link says. If you're wondering 1073 00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:19.159 whether or not this all sounds too the fuddled based 1074 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.760 on what we're saying, here's what Link says Verbaan. He says, 1075 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.239 it only took ten minutes for the system to power 1076 00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:26.480 back up, but by then the flame had found you. 1077 00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:29.239 Contact with the flame healed your young body. But that's 1078 00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:32.360 not all. Once the security system was rebooted, it would 1079 00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.679 only grant access to you, the arbiter. You can't imagine 1080 00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.880

the trouble this caused the Fate computer in achieving its objective. 1081 00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:42.760 Inside of Fate, there is a standalone circuit that had 1082 00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:47.079 been kept hidden since the old Mother Brain generation. Quick 1083 00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:51.159 editorializing Mother Brain is part of robos side quest. If 1084 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:52.960 you didn't do that side quest, a lot of this 1085 00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:56.719 is going to be meaningless to you. Mother brain was 1086 00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:01.480 responsible for sort of booting the robots into their reality 1087 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:04.679 in twenty three to twenty four hundred where they're sort 1088 00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:09.320 of not dominant, but you know whatever. Anyway, going back 1089 00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:11.960 to links, that circuit was designed to start a malfunction, 1090 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.440 or more precisely, a rebellion. Who would have thought that 1091 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.920 such a small bug where a trader could exist inside 1092 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.920 of Fate. The hidden circuit was based on the initial 1093 00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:25.360 ash tier model circuit board Luca ash here with extra 1094 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.599 logic added by another scientist. Fate itself did not realize 1095 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:32.039 that this circuit was present within the core of its system, 1096 00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.639 or more correctly, the circuit was programmed so the moment 1097 00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:39.079 Fate did detect it, it would erase all record of 1098 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:43.519 its detection. So and then Fate goes on to surmise 1099 00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:48.239 that Luca probably well won, says Luca was an unbelievably 1100 00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:52.960 intelligent mad scientist, but also surmises that Belthazar probably had 1101 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:55.000 a hand in this as well, which turns out to 1102 00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:58.760 be true. Then there's a little emotional scene here, again 1103 00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:01.599 falls totally flat. You didn't play Chrono Trigger and you 1104 00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:06.039 didn't do Roboside Quest where Prometheus, the Prometheus circuit, which 1105 00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:10.519 is the quote unquote bug trader inside of Fate, is 1106 00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:14.119 sort of awakened here and he pleads with Surge, you know, 1107 00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:19.400 to save the world, and Fate kills Prometheus, kills Robo. 1108 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:21.679 It's all inside of the computer, so you don't actually 1109 00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:24.519 see anything happening. He basically just gets dragged to the 1110 00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:29.599 recycle bin and perma deleted. But it's it's another reason 1111 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.559 that a lot of Chronal Trigger diehards don't like this 1112 00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.320 game because they're seeing their characters killed off one by one. 1113 00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:40.559 Yeah, and it happens so quickly and without I mean 1114 00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:42.400 there's no build up. It just happens, right, and so 1115 00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.079 it comes out of nowhere, so you don't even have 1116 00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:47.679 a time to really to really process it because you're 1117 00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:49.679 at the same time, you're trying to process all the 1118 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:51.480 low reasons why this is going on, and it's very 1119 00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.239 difficult to do, even even as we sit here with 1120 00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:55.880 notes in front of us, it's very difficult to do. 1121 00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.199 Yeah. Yeah, you're too busy, you're looking at something else 1122 00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.760 and they're mess about I. Yeah, I don't know. That's 1123 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:05.840 just a criticism that I just fundamentally don't understand it. 1124 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.119 I can, I can get it, like you can be 1125 00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:10.000 bummed that your characters are dying. I just I don't 1126 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:11.199 get how it's a criticism. 1127 00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:14.320 Yeah, And at the same time you can also kind 1128 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.519 of counter that with like, I are they dying? Like 1129 00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:20.639 is this is what we're doing now even going to 1130 00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:22.920 be part of the timeline? And once everything is resolved, 1131 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:24.239 I can't. 1132 00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:26.679 Even tell you that I do not know that's true. 1133 00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:29.039 And the Good Ending sort of does comment on that 1134 00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:33.519 obliquely about the idea of like death and you know, fate, 1135 00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.719 and well we get a big explanation on that later. 1136 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:39.000 Were you about to continue with something? 1137 00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:41.119 No, I was just gonna say, is this the moment 1138 00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:44.280 like that, this moment in which which serves became the arbiter? 1139 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:47.360 Of course, his body became important for unlocking Fate. That's 1140 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.159 why links was that for the whole time. But is 1141 00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:54.159 this moment like when the timelines split that I'm that 1142 00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:57.760 I'm unclear on as I go back and think about it, 1143 00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:00.519 that is this that what created the world with in 1144 01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.159 what created the world without Surge? Because with Surge, with 1145 01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:08.360 Surge like locking out the Fate system, Lavos. 1146 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:09.119 Is no longer in control. 1147 01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:14.440 And so in order for Lavos to continue to do 1148 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:16.880

whatever it's doing with the timeline, it would have to 1149 01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:22.159 create another timeline in order to continue to exist or 1150 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:26.679 to meddle with time, which therein last the reason that 1151 01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:30.559 the Chrono kids were angry at it Surgs is because 1152 01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:35.519 his existence locked locked down Fate. Thus Lavos had to 1153 01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:39.079 create this other timeline in which their victory no longer matters. 1154 01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:40.159 I think that's where we're headed. 1155 01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.639 Waitter, are you asking if that moment was the day 1156 01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:46.239 at sea when Surge got hit with the arbiter thing 1157 01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.800 or this moment right now when we're in that room. 1158 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:51.719 Yeah, that day at sea. 1159 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.239 Yes, Okay, I was going to say, if you meant 1160 01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:56.440 this day in this room, then I guess I'm not 1161 01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:59.400 following this story. Yeah, I think you're right. I'm pretty 1162 01:00:59.440 --> 01:00:59.920 sure that's it. 1163 01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:03.480 Okay, okay, So, but we're I think at this point 1164 01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:05.360 in time, at least in this conversation. I don't know 1165 01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:07.400 about in the game, but in this conversation, I think 1166 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:12.960 we're now clear on when the another World timeline was, 1167 01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:17.239 what was created in the reason why it was created, 1168 01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:22.440 we think has to do with like because Lavos, I think, oh. 1169 01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.800 You know what, I'm glad that you said in another world, 1170 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:27.000 we would be remiss not to bring up the Records 1171 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.280 of Fate. So and you know, I apologize. That's a 1172 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:32.159 lot of this is Oh yeah, by the way, here's 1173 01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:35.320 this lord's headbit. I get it. I know that's going 1174 01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:37.320 to rub a lot of people the wrong way. I 1175 01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:39.480 don't know. I don't know what to say other than 1176 01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:41.679 it's just it's that kind of game. I don't know 1177 01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:44.239 how else we could talk about it without doing forty 1178 01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:48.920 plus episodes, like like some mad scientist, mad lad. But 1179 01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:51.639 the Record of Fate. I never brought this up before. 1180 01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:55.320 This game does something sort of similar to well, I'm 1181 01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:57.480 not going to say because it'd be a spoiler, but 1182 01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:00.480 the Records of Fate. If you talk to this girl 1183 01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:03.280 at the very beginning of the game, she gives you

1184 01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:05.920 an introduction to it, like it's the save point system 1185 01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:07.719 in this world. You can see it, And turns out 1186 01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:09.719 everybody can see it, and they say that if you 1187 01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.400 go up real close to it, it whispers to you 1188 01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:14.599 and it'll tell you what you're gonna do. And then 1189 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:16.840 she says something to the effect of if you don't 1190 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:18.639 hear anything, well, then I guess you might as well 1191 01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:21.480 just go home and go to bed, because what's the point. Yeah, 1192 01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:26.360 it's like, yeah, yeah, same good advice. But here in Chronopolis, 1193 01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:30.519 what you learn is that Fate was monitoring both worlds 1194 01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:36.079 to ensure that the timelines don't get meddled with. And 1195 01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:37.960 this is a point where I might have to put 1196 01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:39.920 in an edit because I'm not one hundred percent sure 1197 01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:43.519 on this. This time stuff really puts me in a tizzy. 1198 01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:48.039 But the record of Fate is how it essentially guided 1199 01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:52.320 everybody's lives. It is, here's a better way to think 1200 01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:55.760 about it. It is a literal manifestation of the idea 1201 01:02:55.840 --> 01:03:00.760 of determinism. Yeah, these records of Fate are telling people 1202 01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:03.480 what to do subconsciously. You don't actually realize it, Like 1203 01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:06.280 nobody realizes they're being controlled, but their life is on 1204 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:10.039 rails because Fate is telling them to do so. And 1205 01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:12.039 when you explain it simply like that, I guess it 1206 01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:14.079 does come off a little heavy handed. I think they 1207 01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.639 do a better job of explaining it and making it 1208 01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:18.880 sound kind of cool. But that is pretty neat to 1209 01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.679 have these save point systems serve an in game purpose. 1210 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:24.360 I always love when games do this. I think it 1211 01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:28.199 is very neat. I think this, I mean, this explains 1212 01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:33.119 a lot of the differences between the two worlds. I'm 1213 01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:36.519 still not one hundred percent sure on why they're so 1214 01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:39.599 different and why that's keeping things in line for Fate 1215 01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:43.440 to keep things on track, I'm not sure. But Fate 1216 01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:46.360 was monitoring everything. It was. I mean, you go into 1217 01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:48.719 one of these rooms here and you see surveillance cameras 1218 01:03:48.760 -->

01:03:52.519 like you can see onto Arnie Village, you can see 1219 01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:55.440 the whole Alnito Peninsula, which is all man made. By 1220 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:57.280 the way, did we mention that it's man made? This 1221 01:03:57.320 --> 01:04:00.840 is all construct It's not real. I'm not being glib, 1222 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:03.199 that's true. Fate is overseeing everything. 1223 01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:06.920 You're exactly right, And I think the the why here, 1224 01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:09.760 which is this is hard to parse, but the why. 1225 01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:15.039 Why is Fate controlling everything because it wants the timeline, 1226 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:21.199 because Fate cannot exist without the creation of Chronopolis. But 1227 01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:23.920 now that Chronopolis is in the past, it has to 1228 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.800 preserve the timeline and so that it will be created 1229 01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:27.480 in the future. 1230 01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:32.639 Oh, thank you you on okay, that thank you. You 1231 01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:38.079 explain that so much better. Oh, my gods and so 1232 01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:38.800 and so. 1233 01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:44.280 That's why the that's why Surge surviving suddenly becomes the 1234 01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:49.639 split point because Surge surviving is what locks out the 1235 01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:52.840 h the Fate system. It can no longer govern the 1236 01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:56.360 ongoings of al Nido and whatever else it is influencing. 1237 01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:00.760 Thus another timeline must be created or in order to 1238 01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:05.599 continue to preserve what is going to come. 1239 01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:07.679 So it's wild, dude. 1240 01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.800 I'm going to section this past like twenty minutes and 1241 01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:14.280 just send it to you and you can use that 1242 01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:17.400 if you feel like applying as a writer to Square, 1243 01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:21.320 because I think I think this is a pretty compelling 1244 01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:24.360 point in your court. That was That was a good explanation. 1245 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:25.519 I think I get it now. 1246 01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:28.039 I think I get it now too, now that I've 1247 01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:30.119 said it out loud. What I still don't get and 1248 01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:32.320 maybe maybe we'll get there. I keep saying that that 1249 01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:34.960 maybe we'll get there. But what I don't get is, 1250 01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:38.159 oh no, I get it now. Wait hold on, So 1251 01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:40.960 the like why did it serves turning? 1252 01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:41.239 Yeah? 1253 01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:43.679 The cogs of yeah, the cogs of whatever the hell 1254 01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:46.280 is in my head are turning right now because in 1255 01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:49.480 order for Surge

to survive, something would have had to 1256 01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:52.360 meddle with a timeline because he was destined to not survive. 1257 01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:57.440 And what that is is kid saving him. My kid 1258 01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:01.599 was involved with saving him that day, and she also 1259 01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:04.039 has the ability to somewhat metal the time. 1260 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:05.119 But I think we're not there. 1261 01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:07.199 Yet, or maybe we are, but I want to be. 1262 01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:10.320 I want to be in some timeline we are. Let's 1263 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:34.000 get to that timeline. You fight Fate here, which sounds 1264 01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:37.239 very sounds about as climact as as can possibly be, 1265 01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:40.159 but it's not the final battle, not by a long shot. 1266 01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:44.320 Pretty cool though, Like Fate is a giant humanoid looking 1267 01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:51.119 black sort of ectoplasmic robotish looking thing just from the 1268 01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:53.119 waste up like coming out of the floor. Not a 1269 01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:56.320 difficult fight at all, especially if you've got the mastermine. 1270 01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:59.840 And also this is where I've got and finally used 1271 01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:03.559 the summon Saints which sends a literal holy army of 1272 01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:07.599 angels to a fully heal and revive your party of 1273 01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:11.760 everything and also do hella damage to the enemy. Pretty cool. 1274 01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:14.760 Yeah, I had completely forgotten about this. I know we 1275 01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:16.920 talked about them, but I had completely forgot about the summons. 1276 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:20.719 And you know, one other thing that's kind of related 1277 01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:22.639 to what we what we were just talking about is 1278 01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:26.400 that when when Fate created El Nido, it also created 1279 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:29.400 the element systems, and I think there's a reason for that. 1280 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.000 I don't remember what it is, but it is also 1281 01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.760 neat that like the not only just the say points, 1282 01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:37.760 but everything that was created like that. That kind of 1283 01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:40.719 gives you your explanation of why Chrono and Friends didn't 1284 01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:42.760 have access to all these cool elements and stuff. 1285 01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.360 And that's part of why I like what this game 1286 01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:50.480 and these games are doing. Everything has a reason and 1287 01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:53.719 a place, and everything is thought out. Whether or not 1288 01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:56.719 they had the time or the budget or whatever to 1289 01:07:56.840 --> 01:07:59.400 implement it and talk about it the way they wanted to, 1290 01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:03.679 that's it's a whole separate issue. But the world that 1291 01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:06.280 they thought out, the lord that they created, that is 1292 01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:09.960 all extremely compelling and cool, at least to me. You 1293 01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:13.199 just have to be willing to buy in to some 1294 01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:16.199 Lord dumps in hand wavings, like what's about to happen here? 1295 01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:20.199 For example, you remember Kid, she's been here, She's been 1296 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:23.239 on the floor unconscious. She wakes up now and she's pissed. 1297 01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:26.000 Karl is pleading with her because Kid's about to raise 1298 01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:30.640 Hell and Praisdale. She does something to the frozen flame. 1299 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:32.920 I'm still not one hundred percent sure what she does, 1300 01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:36.720 but it alerts the six dragons that fate has fallen, 1301 01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:39.159 and one by one they sort of speak about it. 1302 01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:41.119 They're like, oh, fate has fallen finally, and then it 1303 01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:44.720 becomes clear that they're not happy and they're going to 1304 01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:49.239 raise some of their own hail Kid. Okay, this is 1305 01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:52.840 full disclosure. When this first happened, I saved immediately after 1306 01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:55.239 this and I quit and I was actually pretty pissed 1307 01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:59.720 off at the game. But here's what happens. Kid jumps up. 1308 01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:01.399 She does a Lord dum. She says in the year 1309 01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:05.359 twenty four hundred, during a countertime experiment, you talked about this, 1310 01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:08.720 little Chris, the flame goes out of control. This causes 1311 01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:11.319 the dimensions to rip apart. I'm going to read it 1312 01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:14.079 like me not like Kid, resulting in the time crash. 1313 01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:18.279 Engulfed in an enormous dimensional vortex, Chronopolis was hurled ten 1314 01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:21.600 thousand years back in time. Perhaps it was the awakening 1315 01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:25.039 Lavos who pulled the frozen Flame back through time to it, 1316 01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:28.039 maybe so that Lavos, who saw the possibility that some 1317 01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:30.920 young adventurers might destroy it, could create a backup plan. 1318 01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:35.199 But that ain't all I'll do Kid for that. At 1319 01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:39.119 the same time, another city from a different dimensions future 1320 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:43.399 was also thrown back in time, Dinopolis, the future city 1321 01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:47.600 of the reptiles, Azala's descendants, Azala name dropped, who had 1322 01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:51.399 evolved more closely with the planet, just

as Lavos, in 1323 01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:54.039 an attempt to save itself, some in Chronopolis from the 1324 01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:58.840 distant future. Perhaps our planet beckoned Dinopolis into the past, 1325 01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:03.199 maybe as an against Chronopolis and humanity. It wasn't the 1326 01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:06.479 dragon gods who sealed up the frozen Flame. It was Fate, 1327 01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:09.720 which used the flame's power to divide and seal the 1328 01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:13.079 dragons in slumber. And now that Fate has been defeated, 1329 01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:16.399 the dragons will join together again and take their revenge. 1330 01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:19.239 And that's exactly what they do. There's this big cut scene. 1331 01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:22.560 It's a really cool cut scene. I mean, the cut 1332 01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:26.479 scenes and the pre rendered in this game just exquisite. 1333 01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:29.800 Chef's kiss, the Green Dragon, the toad looking thing, the 1334 01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:34.560 stoned Toad attacks the Black Dragon, and at first I'm thinking, Okay, 1335 01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:38.680 somebody's gone rogue. Something's happening, and they all sort of 1336 01:10:38.760 --> 01:10:43.439 join in attacking one another, but they get absorbed into 1337 01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:47.560 the Black Dragon and they turn into this giant dragon 1338 01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:51.199 slash man Ray esque looking thing, Manta Ray, not man 1339 01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:56.960 Ray from SpongeBob. Evil Harrel also has sort of flown 1340 01:10:56.960 --> 01:10:59.600 off and disappeared too. I don't remember if we learned 1341 01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:02.399 this right here right now, but she joins them. We 1342 01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:04.119 definitely don't want to miss. But you know, I'm just 1343 01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:08.479 gonna say it. She is the Seventh Dragon, like a 1344 01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:11.680 sort of illegitimate, sort of offspring of them that is 1345 01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:15.760 not elaborated on. I think even Belthazar says, nobody knows why, 1346 01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.840 like I don't know why, but she's part of that. 1347 01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:22.439 They are joining together now that fate is done. They're pissed. 1348 01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:24.520 They're going to take revenge against humanity, the scourge of 1349 01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:27.119 the planet, the progeny of Lavos. This game is playing 1350 01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:31.279 once again with its duopoly with its uh, two sides 1351 01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:34.880 of two sides of one argument. Now it is dragons 1352 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:38.159 against humans, the Earth against humans. 1353 01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:43.279 And Kit even explicitly said that the the reptites or 1354 01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:45.079 the dragon I don't remember how she referred to them, 1355 01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:49.159 but they they evolved more closely aligned with the planet. 1356 01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.399 I'm not sure the exact terminologies that she but like 1357 01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:55.000 she's really introducing or not introducing. They're reintroducing the idea 1358 01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:58.319 of like this technology that humans built in twenty four 1359 01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:03.279 hundred AD and the the culmination of the society that 1360 01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:08.560 was supposed to evolve until Lavos landed here and calls 1361 01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:11.760 humans to evolve. It is now kind of coming to 1362 01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:14.359 a head, like there was a real ass war between 1363 01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:19.239 these two, these two opolises, let's put that way. 1364 01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:24.600 Yeah, there there is so much I feel like this is. 1365 01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:26.640 I'm glad that they give you the New Game Plus 1366 01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:30.039 and even in PlayStation I'm pretty sure in the PlayStation 1367 01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:32.319 version on New Game Plus you get the time shift 1368 01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:34.399 ability to fast forward and slow down. 1369 01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:36.920 Right, I don't recall, but I think I think you 1370 01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:37.479 might be right. 1371 01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:40.119 I think so. I thought I read somewhere somebody's saying 1372 01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:42.399 that it was kind of useless for I don't know 1373 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.279 unless you wanted to, you know, get onto Chris's level 1374 01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:48.199 and beat the dragon feeding minigame. Not that he needed it. 1375 01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:52.199 That was a good natured rib. The silence is deafening. 1376 01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:57.039 The I was going to chime in about being a 1377 01:12:57.039 --> 01:12:57.840 true gamer, but. 1378 01:12:58.279 --> 01:12:59.319 Oh, believe me, we know. 1379 01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:00.439 I don't know if I can. 1380 01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:01.000 I don't know if I. 1381 01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:04.319 Can call really call myself a true gamer these days. 1382 01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:05.680 I don't know. It takes a true gamer to get 1383 01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:07.680 through Lunar and Mega Man Legends back to back. 1384 01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:09.039 That's true. 1385 01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:12.600 So at this point, you were directed to go to 1386 01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:15.600 this sort of final area, this Tara Tower, this new 1387 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:18.960 thing spawns up. What we learn is that that is 1388 01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:23.640 that is from the Reptile timeline. This thing spawns out 1389 01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:25.680 of the sea. That's a JERRPG trope that I'm not 1390 01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:27.760 crazy about. The tower that just comes out of nowhere. 1391 01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:31.560 But it's here. That's our next destination. Before there, though, 1392 01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:35.119

there is something you can do that you might not 1393 01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:38.840 have even known about had you not done the I'm 1394 01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:40.840 pretty sure you only learn about this if you don't 1395 01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:44.000 save Kid, if you choose that route, I think. But 1396 01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:48.119 there is an optional little question you can do involving 1397 01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:54.039 a flashback that it's just so, it's just so ballsy 1398 01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:57.239 that they chose to do this as an optional thing, 1399 01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:01.840 given that it's it's maybe my favorite scene in the game, 1400 01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:06.560 and it provides so much necessary context to a lot 1401 01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:08.640 of what's going on there. 1402 01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:13.239 There has been in our discussion very little context for 1403 01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:18.680 the existence in the meddling of kid and what she 1404 01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:21.039 has done and who she is, And I think that's 1405 01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:22.159 where you're gone with this, right. 1406 01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:27.000 Yeah, absolutely, the way to get to this kid at 1407 01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:30.640 this point in the game is like knocked out once again. 1408 01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.119 She's totally out. She's resting in Hermit's hideaway. If you 1409 01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:37.199 go there after I read I thought, I read that 1410 01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:39.600 you can do this with either the Master Mooney or 1411 01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:43.319 the Krono Cross. I had both at this point, or 1412 01:14:43.319 --> 01:14:45.720 at least I think I did. Either way, you go 1413 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:48.720 back there, and at least what happened in my play through, 1414 01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:55.479 Massa and Mooney recognize her as the Princess and they 1415 01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.680 say that she's trapped like in the past or something, 1416 01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:01.920 and they send you back. You go back to the 1417 01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:06.920 day that Kid's orphanage burned down. That orphanage is Luca's house. Yes, 1418 01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:11.960 I so you you had played Chrono Trigger before this, I imagine, well, 1419 01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:13.760 first did you get to the scene like as a 1420 01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:17.520 kid when you first played this? Yeah, how did that feel? 1421 01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:19.840 It? Again? 1422 01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:25.239 Like, I'm not I was never like sanctimonious about the 1423 01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:29.640 Chrono Trigger timeline. I just wanted there to be crazy lore. 1424 01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:32.359 You know, I was off. I was coming off Zeno 1425 01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:34.319 Gears and uh, there are probably probably a couple of 1426 01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:37.159 other RPGs that had big ideas and then mean, I 1427 01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:39.119 just wanted a game that

had big ideas that would 1428 01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:42.159 kind of make my brain melt, and this was at 1429 01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:46.560 this this adequately adequately melted my brain, and in a 1430 01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:48.920 good way. I was for it, Like I just I 1431 01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:52.880 love being able to be there. And this is not 1432 01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:55.880 the first time you experience a flashback in uh in 1433 01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:58.520 Luca's house in the entire all, in all the Chrono games, 1434 01:15:58.560 --> 01:16:00.800 because you also had that one where her you can 1435 01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:03.880 rescue her mother from the accident in the original game. 1436 01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:06.960 So I just thought it was it was just apt 1437 01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:08.920 to go back here, and I was excited to learn 1438 01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:11.600 or to see what this game was going to do 1439 01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:14.199 to tie everything back together. And it doesn't really tie 1440 01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:14.960 anything back together. 1441 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:15.760 It just gives you more. 1442 01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:18.840 But yeah, yeah, but I think what it gives you 1443 01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:22.439 is it's so terrific, it's so so what happened. You 1444 01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:25.840 go back, you arrive at Luca's house on the PS one. 1445 01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:28.079 It's incredible. I would have went feral had I been 1446 01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:33.199 a Chronojrigger fan. Positive like positively. It's on fire. You 1447 01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:36.159 go around, Gatto, the robot that you met at the 1448 01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:41.960 Millennium Fare is there, dead and dying basically, But you 1449 01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:45.600 go around putting out the fire and fighting all of 1450 01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:48.159 these you know, monsters, saving the children too. There are 1451 01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:52.119 children hiding like in clocks and underbeds and stuff, orphans 1452 01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:55.520 that you're pulling out from the fire. You save them. 1453 01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:57.359 I don't know if you have this written down or not, 1454 01:16:57.439 --> 01:16:59.600 but there's also if you inspect one of her drawers. 1455 01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:01.520 So that's why note in there did you. 1456 01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:02.159 Did you get that? 1457 01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:04.239 I found some notes? Which note? 1458 01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:07.760 Is it the one that alludes to the fact that 1459 01:17:07.800 --> 01:17:13.000 she was acquiring parts from Pore possibly from what's her name? 1460 01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:14.520 That the Lucia? 1461 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:17.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no I missed that completely. 1462 01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:21.720 Yeah, just just a just another another kind of fun 1463 01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:26.279 fact that ties this to the the community of folks 1464 01:17:26.319

--> 01:17:30.159 that were from Pore Norris Slouches from there. I think 1465 01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:32.199 there were a couple of other ones that I felt 1466 01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:34.840 like could have been expanded upon. 1467 01:17:35.479 --> 01:17:37.920 So I know this is like a really like elementary 1468 01:17:37.920 --> 01:17:41.119 way of looking at it with Coore, the colonialism dudes, 1469 01:17:41.159 --> 01:17:43.960 the quote unquote bad guys. So Luca was in trades 1470 01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:48.159 with them, I think, so, m that has implications. 1471 01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:52.119 I feel like, yeah, and I think that I I 1472 01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:54.720 don't think that she was necessarily doing anything nefarious. 1473 01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:57.000 It was just she had to import certain things that 1474 01:17:57.039 --> 01:17:57.479 she needed. 1475 01:17:58.039 --> 01:17:59.680 And perhaps I'm wrong, and you don't get that that 1476 01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:01.319 content text here, but it is somewhere in the. 1477 01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:05.920 Game another playthrough. Fine with me, I'll understand it twenty 1478 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:08.960 percent more. At the end of this you save kid. 1479 01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:12.039 This is I can't remember where we learn this, might 1480 01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:14.439 as well just say it now. The reason Links and 1481 01:18:14.479 --> 01:18:16.439 Horrl are back here. They set fire to this place. 1482 01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:21.039 It's functionally it's to abduct Luca, to break into the 1483 01:18:21.079 --> 01:18:24.279 Fate system to destroy Prometheus. This is why I was 1484 01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:26.800 a little confused about the Arbiter, also because at some 1485 01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:32.039 point Shala becomes the Arbiter. But at any rate, they 1486 01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:35.199 try to abduct Luca here. It's not shown. You kind 1487 01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:37.399 of learn that a little bit later, but that's why 1488 01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:39.079 they're here. There's a cut scene of them sort of 1489 01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:43.119 looking over their shoulder as you save kid and I 1490 01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:45.920 don't know man like this. It's a very simple setting 1491 01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:48.720 to this scene, but something about the way that it's 1492 01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:52.159 shot and rendered is just like it's some of the 1493 01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:55.760 PlayStation at its best. You pull her out and you're in. 1494 01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:59.239 You know, you're outside. It's nighttime. There are two sources 1495 01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:04.279 of light here, the stars that are pinpointing the sky needlework, 1496 01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:07.359 but the true source of light, the only other source 1497 01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:11.760 of light is the orphanage. It is engulfed in flames, 1498 01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:16.399 rich with black smoke polluting the air. It's not going 1499

01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:19.399 to go well anything, and anyone in there is dead. 1500 01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:22.159 And you pull kid out and she laments about it, 1501 01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:24.279 you know, she as well as a kid. Can you 1502 01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:27.119 know why is this happening? This? You know everybody? This 1503 01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:28.039 is my home? 1504 01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:28.319 Why? 1505 01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:32.720 Why? Why? And she asks Surge you know who she 1506 01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:36.199 doesn't know at this point, by the way, she's a child, kid, kid, 1507 01:19:36.279 --> 01:19:38.880 and you know she's like, you're you're not gonna leave 1508 01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:43.279 me right, which in and of itself just a heartbreaking thing. 1509 01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:47.119 An orphan seeing their home burned down. Her sister just 1510 01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:49.479 got abducted, which we don't know, but I mean, now 1511 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:53.399 we know, being saved by this stranger and just like 1512 01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:56.319 you're not gonna leave me, are you? And you of 1513 01:19:56.319 --> 01:19:58.680 course Surge is gonna say, you know, no, I'm not 1514 01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:02.119 going to leave you, and you hug her. She notices 1515 01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:06.000 you're crying. But at that point, Massa and Muney sort 1516 01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:09.560 of lose some of their grip on their power, and 1517 01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:15.680 Surge fades away, leaving kid alone once again. So not 1518 01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:20.279 only orphaned, brought into a new family, big sister, Luca, abducted, 1519 01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:23.239 orphanage burning down, saved, only to be left alone once 1520 01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:26.920 more nothing in the world. And that's sort of that 1521 01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:30.239 that ends the scene. The camera pulls up the whole time. 1522 01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:35.079 By the way, one of my favorite compositions on this album. 1523 01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:37.640 I think it's titled The Girl Who Stole the Stars. 1524 01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:40.000 It is yeah. 1525 01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:43.039 I always just remember the scene as the scene with 1526 01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:44.880 the Girl who Stole the Stars. 1527 01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:47.720 It's yeah, I now that you mentioned it, and I 1528 01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:51.680 can't remember if or where else it plays. I don't know. 1529 01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:54.159 This is I mean, I mean, it answers a lot 1530 01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:56.239 of questions I mean when it puts things into context. 1531 01:20:56.239 --> 01:20:58.960 You can also see little drawings that Kid made in 1532 01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:03.640 crayon of like and isla frog that's really cute. You 1533 01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:07.439 also see them burn up in the CG cutscene. Not 1534 01:21:07.479 --> 01:21:10.760 so cute, but it answers a lot of questions about 1535 01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:15.119 why Kid is the way she is, this boisterous, obnoxious, peacocking, 1536 01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:21.840 bravado filled smart ass. It's I mean, she's hiding this 1537 01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:29.840 deep seated loneliness and abandonment that is so part of 1538 01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:32.039 her that she'll never get rid of it. And the 1539 01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:34.279 only way she can cope with it, I think this 1540 01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:40.199 is total armchair psychology, is to work in opposition against it. 1541 01:21:40.199 --> 01:22:03.840 It's so sad, it really is. It's one of the few. 1542 01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:08.960 Times in the late game of Corona Cross where the 1543 01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:14.920 game allows something to linger without dumping any lore, because 1544 01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:17.560 it feels like everything every scene, every major scene at 1545 01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:19.840 the end of this game, culminates with some sort of 1546 01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:21.840 of lord dump or reference to Corona trigger. And I 1547 01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:23.760 know that we're in Luca's house, so I mean, I 1548 01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:25.640 guess you could consider that a lord dump, but it's 1549 01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:26.760 a very quiet lord dump. 1550 01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:32.319 Yeah. Yeah, This scene for me became doubly sad too. 1551 01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:35.520 Once you sort of beat the game and learn what 1552 01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:36.359 kids deal is. 1553 01:22:37.359 --> 01:22:40.079 I think that the I don't know regrets. 1554 01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:45.600 One thing that I criticize this game for is not 1555 01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:49.840 introducing the idea of who kid is, where she came from, 1556 01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:54.640 and what she's here to do until way too late. 1557 01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:57.600 Like I know that maybe right now is not the 1558 01:22:57.680 --> 01:22:59.920 right time to do it, because we have to, let think, 1559 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:01.680 we have to let this scene breathe a little bit. 1560 01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:05.399 But I don't think that we even get close to 1561 01:23:05.439 --> 01:23:07.680 that until we talked to the ghost kids on the 1562 01:23:07.680 --> 01:23:08.760 beach at the end of the game. 1563 01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:12.560 No, not at all. And in the hands of another team, 1564 01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:14.239 she would have been the main character, you know, in 1565 01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:16.880 the same way that that Yuna is the main character 1566 01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:20.000 in f F ten or Serie in Witcher three. Like 1567 01:23:20.119 --> 01:23:23.319 in another team, she would have been the sort of 1568 01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:26.079 not player character, but the protagonist. She's very important. 1569 01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:30.600 This could have been kids game, And I understand that 1570 01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:34.960 at this stage in the game,

well at this at this, 1571 01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:37.439 at this moment in time, I should say that you've 1572 01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:40.319 got to have a teenage boy be the protagonist. Just 1573 01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:43.000 that's how games were made, that's how they were marketed. Yeah, 1574 01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:46.920 but I do think that that Nanami. 1575 01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:48.399 Could have Nami Kid. 1576 01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:51.680 I'm thinking about Nanami from Silicotin two right now, because 1577 01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:57.680 she was a a a reflection of the silent protagonist 1578 01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:00.840 because you didn't and so to your main didn't talk, 1579 01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:05.560 and so you could see his feelings reflected off of 1580 01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:08.079 his sister, and that would kind of give you a 1581 01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:10.319 sense about who he was and what he was feeling 1582 01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:12.960 at the time. And although Sergeant Kid don't know each other, 1583 01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:17.600 she could have been that a little bit more. But 1584 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:19.840 she's just not present enough, or she doesn't she's not 1585 01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:22.399 required to be present enough in this game to be 1586 01:24:22.439 --> 01:24:27.439 able to fill that role, fill that role, but and 1587 01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:30.880 unfortunately she just becomes not not to say that she 1588 01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:33.880 doesn't have a personality, but she also becomes a lower 1589 01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:36.479 piece or she's also the chrono trigger. 1590 01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:42.600 I guess, yeah, yeah, I don't want to wish that 1591 01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:44.119 this would have been in the hands of a different 1592 01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:47.239 writing team, because yeah, we might have got a better 1593 01:24:47.239 --> 01:24:49.800 handling of Kid quote unquote better handling of Kid. But 1594 01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:52.359 at the same time, I don't know, it feels like 1595 01:24:52.439 --> 01:24:58.439 so much of these fumbles and imperfections and blemishes, there's 1596 01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:01.520 something about him that just works together in this holistic 1597 01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:08.560 way that is misshapen and lumpy, uh, but still endearing 1598 01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:12.119 and beautiful. And I don't know if like a better 1599 01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:14.560 team could have you know, received better marks by the 1600 01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:17.880 by the gamer journalists or well, no, I don't want 1601 01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:19.600 to make fun of the gamer journalists. There's you know, 1602 01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:23.079 they're they're doing good work by the internet. There you go, 1603 01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:28.079 the Internet gamer forum journalists. Yeah, be rating on game facts. 1604 01:25:28.359 --> 01:25:30.279 You know, they they might have got better marks by them. 1605 01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:33.199 But I don't know. I don't know. We would kill 1606 01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:36.079 we would be killing Chronocross in that way, we'd be 1607 01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:37.159 killing God. 1608 01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:40.119 Indeed, now do we need to talk about I don't 1609 01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:42.279 know if now it's the appropriate time to talk about 1610 01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:45.119 I guess all the kid lore because I have a 1611 01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:48.199 note to myself here that says, don't forget to talk 1612 01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:49.279 about Project Kid. 1613 01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:50.239 Uh. 1614 01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:52.920 If it's just Project kid that I mean that gets 1615 01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:56.319 name checked here pretty soon? I think it does. Okay, 1616 01:25:56.520 --> 01:25:58.840 mm hmm, yeah, it's explicitly name checked. 1617 01:25:58.840 --> 01:25:58.880 It. 1618 01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:02.880 Oh, it gets name checked by Luca on the at 1619 01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:03.479 the very end. 1620 01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:05.520 Gotcha. 1621 01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:09.840 So again, I cannot believe that I really wish that 1622 01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:11.600 would have been in the game. I don't know. I 1623 01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:16.199 respect it I respect how gutsy it is to do that, 1624 01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:20.039 but I guess I don't know. I feel sad if 1625 01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:25.199 people don't do that. Anyway, if you've forgotten that this 1626 01:26:25.319 --> 01:26:27.840 is Chrono Cross and that they were a team of 1627 01:26:27.880 --> 01:26:30.880 goofy weirdos, you're gonna be reminded here because we got 1628 01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:32.720 to get to Tara Tower. We have to fly. It's 1629 01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:38.039 high up. You use Starkey's spaceship. I just wish this. 1630 01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:40.439 I wish they would have left the goofiness like I 1631 01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:42.520 loved it when it was happening. But I don't know, 1632 01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:44.880 it just doesn't. It's not the time I. 1633 01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:45.840 Agree with you. 1634 01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:49.399 I had actually forgotten that fact, but it is because 1635 01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:53.840 I got to this point thinking Starky is an optional character. 1636 01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:54.600 But I guess he's not. 1637 01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:58.720 No, No, I guess not. I tried to go here 1638 01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:01.560 with I forget who I was using. It was in 1639 01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:04.920 my PS one playthrough. I stopped using Starkey and I 1640 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:07.359 tried to go there without him, and somebody was like, yeah, 1641 01:27:07.359 --> 01:27:10.399 we got to bring Starky, and I just couldn't progress otherwise. 1642 01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:13.600 So yeah, I guess. I guess that little little weirdo 1643 01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:15.159 is is not optional. 1644 01:27:15.800 -->

01:27:16.439 He's a good man. 1645 01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:17.039 He's cool. 1646 01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:17.920 Yeah. 1647 01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:19.399 Yeah, you say he's a good man. 1648 01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:22.319 Yeah, man might not be the right word. 1649 01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:27.039 He's a feller. He's a good little feller, little dude. 1650 01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:31.920 You should get him for the Harle scene alone. That's gold. Yep, 1651 01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:35.600 but yeah, you I swear to God not making this up. 1652 01:27:35.640 --> 01:27:38.600 You attach some like Starky makes a big deal out 1653 01:27:38.600 --> 01:27:41.000 of it. Kid was in my party and she was like, oh, yeah, 1654 01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:43.640 so you just attach it and he's like, no, no, 1655 01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:46.439 this is actual where you know he's making it out 1656 01:27:46.439 --> 01:27:48.680 to be a big deal. You attach some sort of 1657 01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:54.119 anti gravitational thing onto like a raft from his spaceship 1658 01:27:54.119 --> 01:27:56.920 because his spaceship only can carry one person, just Starky, 1659 01:27:57.199 --> 01:27:59.760 you know, of course. And so you attach it to 1660 01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:04.520 this raft thing as boat at the at what do 1661 01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:08.880 you call it? Chronopolis? And you fly to fly to 1662 01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:09.680 Tarat Tower. 1663 01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:12.920 Why wouldn't you there's no more dragons to fly on. Yeah, 1664 01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:13.960 the best option we've got. 1665 01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:17.159 Sure, Yep, you're right man. 1666 01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:21.399 It's sunned it out, Yeah, fuck it, send it in. 1667 01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:27.279 We're doing it live this whole section. Don't get me wrong. 1668 01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:31.119 Like I think it's a cool dungeon, but it's you're 1669 01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:35.399 functionally going through and fighting one representation of an element 1670 01:28:36.439 --> 01:28:39.279 at a time, like in these different sections to get 1671 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:42.760 to where you're going. So like, I don't know, like 1672 01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:44.039 I don't have a ton to say about it. I 1673 01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:47.239 got Janis's ultimate weapon here, not that I used her 1674 01:28:47.239 --> 01:28:49.079 in the PS one playthrough because I didn't have that 1675 01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:51.880 kind of time, but you can get that here. It's 1676 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:55.319 a carrot beta caroteene yep. 1677 01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:58.159 I think the only other thing of note here is that, 1678 01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:05.000 as you mentioned, it's full of it's themed around the elements, 1679 01:29:05.319 --> 01:29:08.760 and there is a certain part of this dungeon that 1680 01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:11.159 where I think you're walking across the bridge or you're 1681 01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:15.439 outside or whatever, and you see all of the different 1682 01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:19.239 colored elements in a specific order and then put a 1683 01:29:19.239 --> 01:29:19.720 pin on that. 1684 01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:24.600 Yeah, you do. They are really trusting you. 1685 01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:26.159 Me. 1686 01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:29.000 They were really trusting me. You know What's funny though, 1687 01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:31.560 what I was looking for with that each of these elements, 1688 01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:35.479 and I'm pretty sure I don't know if this happens 1689 01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:37.720 at a certain point in the game or only after 1690 01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:41.479 you get the Chrono cross the item, but either way, 1691 01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:45.680 elements start making a chime like a tone, and each 1692 01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:47.680 has a different tone, And do you know what I 1693 01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:52.000 was thinking Chris. I was thinking, Okay, I need to somehow, 1694 01:29:52.039 --> 01:29:54.239 somehow if I do something with these elements and play 1695 01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:58.199 them from like lowest to highest, then something will happen. 1696 01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:01.520 I wasn't even considering what they were wanting me to do. 1697 01:30:02.439 --> 01:30:07.880 Yeah, it's not signposted at all. In fact, like I 1698 01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:10.880 do remember when those elements, the element chimes start to 1699 01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:15.000 first occur, it's after you you acquire the Chronocross. But 1700 01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:19.079 it's never it's never obvious as to how those are 1701 01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:22.199 linked to the Chronocross and what you're supposed to do 1702 01:30:22.279 --> 01:30:22.600 with it. 1703 01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:28.520 And it's unfortunate, Yeah, especially given the standard the quote 1704 01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:31.560 unquote standard quote unquote bad ending that you get if 1705 01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:35.479 you just fight the last boss, even though I guess 1706 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:39.079 to their credit they do kind of tell you a 1707 01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:42.840 couple of times that fighting or healing, I think is 1708 01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:45.920 how they refer to the Chronocross is like the way. 1709 01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:48.039 So I guess I kind of get it, but that 1710 01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:53.800 ending thematically works narratively works. Had I gotten it, i'd 1711 01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:57.880 been kind of pissed. Yeah, so you're going through this tower. 1712 01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:00.760 At some point you somehow end up on that bridge 1713 01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:04.520 at viper Manor with my favorite pre rentered background of 1714 01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:07.960 the game, the backdrop with the two moons, like, oh yeah, right, 1715 01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:09.880 big there, Oh my god, I love it so much. 1716 01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:13.920 You end up there somehow. And actually,

now that i'm 1717 01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:15.840 thinking of it, you had said that it's themed around 1718 01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:19.720 the elements. Those are themed after the dragons. Arl is 1719 01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:24.159 the seventh Dragon and is referred to by Belthazar, who 1720 01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:26.920 we're about to talk to as the blood Moon Dragon. 1721 01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:31.239 So maybe that's maybe that's why. 1722 01:31:29.960 --> 01:31:31.600 I forgot that we're going to talk to Belthazar here. 1723 01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:35.479 That's another entry point for more lore than I suppose. 1724 01:31:36.119 --> 01:31:39.279 Oh yeah, oh yeah, a text block of lore. I 1725 01:31:39.279 --> 01:31:41.399 think I even shaved this down a little bit too. 1726 01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:44.800 You go back into the library room, you know, where 1727 01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:47.520 you've basically the only place you've talked to Belthazar so 1728 01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:50.560 far in this game. He calls you there. That's that's 1729 01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:53.640 his man cave. He starts explaining to you. This is 1730 01:31:53.680 --> 01:31:56.319 where he introduces himself to He says, in the ancient 1731 01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:59.199 magical Kingdom of zeal I was known as the stage 1732 01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:01.880 of Reason. Well that was up until the Queen of 1733 01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:04.359 zeal attempted to harness the power of Okay, I don't 1734 01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:06.800 know why I'm doing that to harness the power of Lavos. 1735 01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:10.760 Let's just say things got out of control. Now I'm done, 1736 01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:13.479 and Lavos created a dimensional vortex that threw me far 1737 01:32:13.479 --> 01:32:16.880 into the future. There I seize the opportunity to study 1738 01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:19.960 the science of the future. Was then able to apply 1739 01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:23.239 to that the knowledge I brought from my own era, 1740 01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:27.720 including magic which was long lost in the future. Anyway, 1741 01:32:28.159 --> 01:32:30.439 this led me to make huge progress in the research 1742 01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:33.359 of time. Well, that research led to the creation of 1743 01:32:33.399 --> 01:32:36.680 Chronopolis and to the time Crash. You might think I 1744 01:32:36.720 --> 01:32:39.319 really blew it, but perhaps it was my finest hour. 1745 01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:44.399 Ho Ho Ho I screen capped that. By the way, gotta. 1746 01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:45.960 Love the good ho Ho Ho guy. 1747 01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:48.399 He is a ho Ho Ho guy. There has to 1748 01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:50.279 be one in every game, every Jo and. 1749 01:32:50.279 --> 01:32:53.199 Corona Cross has too, because Radius is also one. Is 1750 01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:55.560 he yeah, he says he Ho Ho at least once. 1751 01:32:56.399 --> 01:32:58.560 Oh my god, we've got Ho Ho Hose and Acha 1752 01:32:58.640 -->

01:33:02.000 Chaz and Boija Haas. This game's lousy with him. 1753 01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:03.479 That's why it's such a good game. 1754 01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:07.840 You might be wondering if he's done Lord dumping. He's not. Anyway. 1755 01:33:08.239 --> 01:33:10.840 I created a compact time machine that I dubbed the 1756 01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:14.680 Neo Epoch Chrono Trigger reference. I used it to time 1757 01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:18.119 warp to this age to learn of Chronopolis and Fate's 1758 01:33:18.119 --> 01:33:20.760 plans and see how and to see how things were 1759 01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:23.880 turning out. Tara Tower is really a city of the 1760 01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:29.000 reptites from another dimensions future. Originally Dinopolis, the castle of 1761 01:33:29.039 --> 01:33:33.119 Azala's descendants, who achieved an evolution much more intimate with 1762 01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:37.279 our planet. Dinopolis was drawn into this dimensions past about 1763 01:33:37.279 --> 01:33:40.640 ten thousand years ago. This was done so that it 1764 01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:44.880 would serve as a counterbalance against Chronopolis, which Lavo's pulled here. 1765 01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:49.279 So he goes on, and I summarized a little bit 1766 01:33:49.399 --> 01:33:51.840 going on. He goes on to say that the Reptit's lost, 1767 01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:54.640 which you had mentioned to Chris, they were sealed away 1768 01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:59.680 by Fate. The reptites were Then he talks about the dragons. Originally, 1769 01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:01.960 the whole archipelago of Alnito was known as the Sea 1770 01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:04.159 of Eden. This was because it was where the dragon 1771 01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:07.119 gods resided. But then Fate sealed away the dragon God's 1772 01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:10.560 powers just like kids said, in effect becoming a god itself. 1773 01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:13.800 Thus the islands where the new god had Fate existed 1774 01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:16.760 came to be called the Sea of Eden instead. Perhaps 1775 01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:19.039 you didn't realize it, but you were used by the 1776 01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:22.199 dragon gods to eliminate Fate. It was not true that 1777 01:34:22.239 --> 01:34:24.840 the dragon gods sealed away the frozen flame. Rather, it's 1778 01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:27.680 quite the opposite. It was Fate that used the power 1779 01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:31.760 of the flame to seal up the dragon gods. In reality, 1780 01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:35.119 the dragon gods are in opposition to man, while Fate 1781 01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:42.079 itself was actually the protector of humanity. I so again, 1782 01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:45.920 I love the game. I do, but it really does 1783 01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:48.760 feel like they had pre planned destinations and they said 1784 01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:51.880 we're getting to them no matter what. And so they said, 1785 01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:54.800 Pelthazar

get us there, get us there. In a lord dump, 1786 01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:56.560 he certainly gets us there. 1787 01:34:56.760 --> 01:34:58.399 Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot. 1788 01:34:58.479 --> 01:35:02.720 There's a lot of telling in this back half of 1789 01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:04.800 the game, and it would have been really cool if 1790 01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:08.399 they could have shown us more. But as we know 1791 01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:12.079 from RPGs of this era, like sometimes they got to 1792 01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:14.920 ship them and they get to the point to where 1793 01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:18.000 they can't get all their ideas in. Thus they will 1794 01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:18.560 cram them in. 1795 01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:22.239 That's true. And there's something else too to keep in mind. 1796 01:35:22.399 --> 01:35:24.399 I say this all the time, but you know when 1797 01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:26.560 you hear somebody like me saying that, oh yeah, I 1798 01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:30.439 love this game. The implicit bias in there is that 1799 01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:32.840 if you know who I am and you know my tastes, 1800 01:35:33.239 --> 01:35:35.039 you know that I'm okay with this kind of stuff, 1801 01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:37.800 like more than the average person might be, the sort 1802 01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:40.840 of Lord dumpson, explaining like I can wave that away 1803 01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:45.279 easier than some folks. So like, yeah, you know, I 1804 01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:48.640 love this game, but you shouldn't take that as as gospel, 1805 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:54.800 you know, filter everything, especially what I say. I'm wondering though, Chris, 1806 01:35:54.840 --> 01:35:56.479 if you can help clear this up from me, man, 1807 01:35:56.520 --> 01:35:59.439 because fate did not seem like it was on our 1808 01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:03.239 side at any point throughout here. Was that Was that 1809 01:36:03.359 --> 01:36:07.039 just the corruption from the frozen flame slash lavos like 1810 01:36:07.119 --> 01:36:09.119 messing with it because we see that it messes with 1811 01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:13.920 arguably the purest person that we're going to meet or 1812 01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:16.840 have already met, possibly depending on how you look at it. 1813 01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:21.119 So I mean, I feel like it could be possible, 1814 01:36:21.159 --> 01:36:24.600 Like is that why Fate is so antagonistic towards us? 1815 01:36:25.079 --> 01:36:28.279 I don't think Fate is is on one side or another. 1816 01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:30.920 I think Fate was just in the business of self preservation, 1817 01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:36.279 for the preservation of the timeline, and we happened to 1818 01:36:36.359 --> 01:36:40.560 run into each other. And so yeah, don't. I don't 1819 01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:44.800 think that, or at least it doesn't feel like this 1820 01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:47.159 grand plan of the Dragons to Tricka, Sineqill and Fate

1821 01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:49.560 was actually a real plan. I think we just happened 1822 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:52.119 to run into Fate and fight Fate. You know, it doesn't. 1823 01:36:52.159 --> 01:36:54.039 It doesn't line up to me. 1824 01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:58.000 At least that's a better explanation. It's more sensible too, 1825 01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:01.239 just like it's just happens since that you're there. It's 1826 01:37:01.279 --> 01:37:03.840 not some you know, good versus evil thing. It's just 1827 01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:06.359 you happen to be in the way of Fate. What 1828 01:37:06.399 --> 01:37:06.880 are you doing? 1829 01:37:07.439 --> 01:37:10.840 Yeah, And Fate's goal was to be fair, was literally 1830 01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:14.479 be it be some version of Fate or Predestiny, so 1831 01:37:14.520 --> 01:37:17.840 that it could preserve everything. And when and when the 1832 01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:20.640 Dragon Gods came into conflict with that because of the 1833 01:37:21.439 --> 01:37:25.720 I guess the dragon Gods exist because the Dinopolis was 1834 01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:28.319 pulled in from the other dimensions, so that got in 1835 01:37:28.399 --> 01:37:30.000 Fate's way, so Fate filt them up. 1836 01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:33.279 I think that's maybe the cleanest thing in this game. 1837 01:37:34.439 --> 01:37:37.439 He also explains a bit about the six Dragon Gods 1838 01:37:37.479 --> 01:37:41.239 originally being one being, and that that one being that 1839 01:37:41.279 --> 01:37:44.000 we're seeing outside now is really just a sort of 1840 01:37:44.079 --> 01:37:48.399 avatar for the dragon god because the real dragon god 1841 01:37:48.479 --> 01:37:52.359 was consumed a long time ago. This is something that 1842 01:37:52.359 --> 01:37:55.680 you would mentioned. You would also mention too. And I'm 1843 01:37:55.920 --> 01:38:00.000 not really playing fair tennis here because I somewhat recently 1844 01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:03.199 listen to you. You and Eric talked about this from 1845 01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:06.840 what would it have been twenty twenty two, twenty twenty four, 1846 01:38:07.800 --> 01:38:10.640 twenty twenty Oh my god, even earlier. 1847 01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:12.520 Yeah, you had. 1848 01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:16.000 Said something along the lines of like something major retcond 1849 01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:19.600 in the area of like reptites. I know I'm kind 1850 01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:21.439 of putting you on the spot here, but do you 1851 01:38:22.079 --> 01:38:23.720 do you have any idea what I may or may 1852 01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:24.760 not be referring to. 1853 01:38:25.439 --> 01:38:27.319 Do I have any idea what I was talking about 1854 01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:28.119 six years ago? 1855 01:38:28.680 --> 01:38:29.279 No, I don't. 1856 01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:31.920 Actually, Okay, she. 1857 01:38:34.279 --> 01:38:39.520 Got joy asked no. So when I say something retcond. 1858 01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:41.399 I don't know. I might be misremembering. I thought I 1859 01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:44.800 remember you. You had mentioned you made a big section 1860 01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:48.560 about the reptitle lore, understandably so because they don't give 1861 01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:51.319 you much in here, and about how it retcond something 1862 01:38:51.319 --> 01:38:53.760 from Chrono trigger that seemed to be a big deal. 1863 01:38:54.399 --> 01:38:55.359 Yeah, you got me on that one. 1864 01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:56.039 I don't remember. 1865 01:38:56.640 --> 01:38:58.960 Yeah, me neither. So maybe I'm wrong. 1866 01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:00.439 I don't know. 1867 01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:02.399 What were you going to say? 1868 01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:04.159 As if it comes, I'll shout, But. 1869 01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:04.680 I don't know. 1870 01:39:05.279 --> 01:39:26.239 Please do test those plosives. Yes, the chrono trigger children, 1871 01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:30.039 they're also here. If you have the chronocross on you, 1872 01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:33.960 you have that thing, they will comment on it, which 1873 01:39:34.039 --> 01:39:36.720 kind of gives you a hint towards the strategy for 1874 01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:40.359 this upcoming battle. I think it's chronotechnically, that says the 1875 01:39:40.359 --> 01:39:43.199 melody and harmony. It has the power to cross space 1876 01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:46.520 and time and unify people's thoughts and feeling. It has 1877 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:49.800 the power to transfer memories by using it as an element. 1878 01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:52.319 It has the power to draw on the sounds of 1879 01:39:52.359 --> 01:39:56.279 the six colored elements to produce a healing harmony. It 1880 01:39:56.279 --> 01:39:58.520 has the power to combine the sounds of the world 1881 01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:03.800 into one melody. That's your hint to equip it. Yeah, 1882 01:40:04.199 --> 01:40:06.920 and what they don't tell you, which I picked up 1883 01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:10.000 from the internet. You've been there before. I picked up 1884 01:40:10.039 --> 01:40:14.279 a tip from there, Oh yeah, a hot tip and 1885 01:40:14.319 --> 01:40:16.720 it said, you know, you can just place the chrono 1886 01:40:16.760 --> 01:40:19.239 cross in any part of the element. So I put 1887 01:40:19.279 --> 01:40:21.359 it on the grid that is, so I put it 1888 01:40:21.399 --> 01:40:24.359 in slot one. It said minus seven, but it still 1889 01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:27.359 did the exact same thing, which actually got me to thinking, 1890 01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:30.279 could I have been using things like Purify that heal 1891 01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:34.159 every single status effect in slot one even though it 1892 01:40:34.199 --> 01:40:36.920 said like purify minus five, like, would that still have worked? 1893 01:40:37.720 --> 01:40:41.319 That's a great question. I may be wrong about this, 1894 01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:43.239 but don't

some of them limit you to not being 1895 01:40:43.279 --> 01:40:45.000 able to use the underpowered version. 1896 01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:47.720 Some of them did, like like the healing ones like 1897 01:40:47.720 --> 01:40:51.039 no strom and capsule you can't move those, and the 1898 01:40:51.079 --> 01:40:53.560 innate ones that are like read only you can't move those. 1899 01:40:53.840 --> 01:40:58.119 But Purify I did it, like I moved it down 1900 01:40:58.119 --> 01:41:00.039 to slot one. I just never got a chance to 1901 01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:02.560 use it. So now I'm wondering if, like, is it 1902 01:41:02.600 --> 01:41:05.640 just gonna miss more if it is in a lower slot. 1903 01:41:06.479 --> 01:41:07.920 Maybe? Maybe so. 1904 01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:10.640 At any rate, you can put the chrono cross in 1905 01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:13.399 element grid number one, which is really what you should 1906 01:41:13.439 --> 01:41:15.720 do if you want to not have a bad time 1907 01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:19.800 with this ending boss. Yeah, but it also gives you 1908 01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:23.920 the hint about the chimes and the six colored elements. Right, 1909 01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:27.439 It's not a great hint, but that's what you got. 1910 01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:29.640 And so now are we facing the Dragon God. 1911 01:41:29.560 --> 01:41:30.600 Or are we not there yet? 1912 01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:33.079 I think so? I think so. It's like a two 1913 01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:35.680 tiered little fight. You get to the top of the tower, 1914 01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:38.600 the flame is there, the frozen flame. This is really cool. 1915 01:41:39.279 --> 01:41:41.880 I love this. I love how they characterize the flame 1916 01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:44.560 here because it looks like an organic living thing. It 1917 01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:49.199 sort of opens up, it blooms into the beautiful flame 1918 01:41:49.239 --> 01:41:52.560 that you've seen in like flashbacks before, but there are 1919 01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:56.000 like it's got this eye in the center, or eyes 1920 01:41:56.800 --> 01:42:00.760 or what looked like them. Anyway, it looks alive and 1921 01:42:01.159 --> 01:42:04.840 it is creepy. It's oh man, I wish they I 1922 01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:07.399 almost wish they did more scenes like this because the 1923 01:42:07.399 --> 01:42:11.079 ones that they do, like the transformation scenes, this, they 1924 01:42:11.239 --> 01:42:12.119 just do them so well. 1925 01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:16.079 Do we know explicitly why the frozen flame is here 1926 01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:19.520 on Tara Tower. Is it just because this is from 1927 01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:24.439 the timeline in which the Dragonians or Dragonians or reptits 1928 01:42:24.479 --> 01:42:26.840 or whatever one so that they have possession of the 1929 01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:29.840 frozen flame or is or is it just here for 1930 01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:32.880 thematic reasons? I never quite could figure that out. 1931 01:42:33.479 --> 01:42:36.840 Uh remember earlier when I said I'm okay with more 1932 01:42:36.840 --> 01:42:39.000 than the average person handwaving stuff. I just assumed this 1933 01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:40.840 was here because that's where the final boss is. 1934 01:42:41.119 --> 01:42:41.880 Because it's cool. 1935 01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:44.239 Yeah, Yes, so cool. 1936 01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:46.920 I don't know, your guess is as good as probably 1937 01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:50.359 better than mine. Well, but it's it is here. 1938 01:42:51.079 --> 01:42:55.000 It's here, and you know, this is a place that 1939 01:42:55.079 --> 01:42:58.720 was pulled through time. So perhaps the Dragon God has 1940 01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:00.159 a need for it. You know. 1941 01:43:00.159 --> 01:43:01.159 The Dragon God does. 1942 01:43:01.039 --> 01:43:05.079 Seem to be working in a similar way as Fate was. 1943 01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:08.880 To what ends, we don't really know, maybe just power, 1944 01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:11.319 and so the Frozen Flame, as far as we know, 1945 01:43:11.439 --> 01:43:14.600 is the ultimate power source. So there's probably a reason 1946 01:43:14.600 --> 01:43:17.319 for it to be there. May or maybe Lavos is 1947 01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:20.319 behind the poll mm hmm. I think that for a 1948 01:43:20.319 --> 01:43:22.239 lot of unexplained things in this game, you can say 1949 01:43:22.239 --> 01:43:23.880 because Lavos deemed it such. 1950 01:43:24.520 --> 01:43:28.279 Yeah, honestly, probably, I don't This doesn't directly connect. I 1951 01:43:28.359 --> 01:43:30.520 meant to bring it up earlier, but I just forgot to. 1952 01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:34.760 There is like, you know, we're we're made privy to 1953 01:43:34.800 --> 01:43:37.760 the fact that the Frozen Flame is Lavos, like right 1954 01:43:37.800 --> 01:43:40.520 after this fight. Actually that's when Belthazar tells us. Up 1955 01:43:40.600 --> 01:43:44.960 until now, we didn't know that, Okay, but there is 1956 01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:47.079 like I don't know if it's a fan theory or 1957 01:43:47.159 --> 01:43:50.600 just like an inferring on connecting the dots. But back 1958 01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:55.039 in Chrono, Trigger when the Maman Machine is underwater being 1959 01:43:55.159 --> 01:44:00.560 powered by or wait, the frozen or the Maman Machine 1960 01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:03.680 and Lavos are so far apart in zeal when all 1961 01:44:03.680 --> 01:44:08.079 of that's going down, some folks speculate that the frozen 1962 01:44:08.119 --> 01:44:12.399 flame was powering the Mammon Machine and it could communicate 1963 01:44:12.399 --> 01:44:16.079 with Lavos, and that kind of ties into Chrono Cross. 1964 01:44:16.720 --> 01:44:19.760 I'm probably not explaining that very well, but I don't 1965 01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.359 know if that's a fan theory or or what. 1966 01:44:23.279 --> 01:44:26.800 There's some other lore that kind of crosses

this same 1967 01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:31.159 the same path. If you recall like the all the 1968 01:44:31.359 --> 01:44:34.840 like the Ruby knife and the Chrono Trigger, the Ruby 1969 01:44:34.880 --> 01:44:39.319 knife that somebody uses to destroy the Mammon Machine, it 1970 01:44:39.399 --> 01:44:41.760 is made I believe, of the same material as the 1971 01:44:41.800 --> 01:44:44.520 Moss Immune, because doesn't I think I think when someone 1972 01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:46.319 throws it on there, it transforms into the mass munity, 1973 01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:51.479 thus thus implying that there is a connection between between 1974 01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:52.159 those things. 1975 01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:53.239 And I don't know if it was. 1976 01:44:53.279 --> 01:44:58.079 Chrono Trigger, chronal cross, or something that was added later 1977 01:44:58.199 --> 01:45:01.520 through the anime cut scenes through the Chrono Trigger re releases, 1978 01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:04.359 but there is heavy implication that the Mosca unit is 1979 01:45:04.359 --> 01:45:08.840 made from like the dreamstone from that fell from Lavos 1980 01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:12.560 thus having a frozen flame like property. I don't remember 1981 01:45:12.560 --> 01:45:15.159 what that point is, but like there is like a 1982 01:45:15.199 --> 01:45:19.960 lot of I don't know, shards scales of lavos that 1983 01:45:20.760 --> 01:45:23.199 play a factor in in both games. 1984 01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:45.439 This starts the first of the final the first of 1985 01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:48.039 the two phases of the final boss fight, and the 1986 01:45:48.079 --> 01:45:51.760 first phase actually has six phases. Scott Steiner math time 1987 01:45:52.640 --> 01:45:55.840 he comes up the Dragon, which is referred to now 1988 01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:57.159 as the Time Devourer. 1989 01:45:58.119 --> 01:45:58.359 Yeah. 1990 01:45:58.479 --> 01:46:00.159 Interesting, interesting choice. 1991 01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:03.119 Yeah. I was gonna say more on that in a second, 1992 01:46:03.159 --> 01:46:07.600 but I think Belthazzar just says that that's who it is. 1993 01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:11.000 Is that is that a callback to chrono trigger. There's 1994 01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:12.760 a dream Devour somewhere. 1995 01:46:12.399 --> 01:46:16.880 Right, Dream Devour I don't recall unless it was in 1996 01:46:16.920 --> 01:46:18.239 the DS version or something. 1997 01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:22.439 At any rate, Time Devour, You're gonna it muses a 1998 01:46:22.479 --> 01:46:26.439 little bit around the fimes, like very generally, must one 1999 01:46:26.439 --> 01:46:29.920 destroy the world in order to allow another world to continue. 2000 01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:34.000 The wounded in turn wound and torment those weaker than them. 2001 01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:36.159 What really struck me here is just how good the 2002 01:46:36.159 --> 01:46:38.239 PS one looks with all the lighting effects that it's 2003 01:46:38.279 --> 01:46:41.560 doing throughout here. Yeah, although admittedly it was chug in 2004 01:46:41.600 --> 01:46:47.000 a little bit but still beautiful. This fight again with 2005 01:46:47.079 --> 01:46:50.880 the Master Mooney. I mean, this was just a breeze, 2006 01:46:51.159 --> 01:46:54.439 but it's a very cool gimmick. It's going to cycle 2007 01:46:54.479 --> 01:46:57.920 through each of the elements and you know you've got 2008 01:46:57.920 --> 01:47:00.239 to handle each one appropriately. You've got a demonst that 2009 01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:01.520 you understand the battle system. 2010 01:47:02.319 --> 01:47:05.239 Yeah, and the music here is fantastic. 2011 01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:22.720 This might be one of my favorite songs on the soundtrack. 2012 01:47:23.159 --> 01:47:23.920 It's so epic. 2013 01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:26.520 Oh, tell me about it. I didn't write anything about it. 2014 01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:30.000 Uh, the song is called I think it's just called 2015 01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:34.239 Dragon God. Oh okay, but it has it has vocals. 2016 01:47:34.439 --> 01:47:38.159 They're just chants and in hums. But like, this was 2017 01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:41.640 very much of an era when if there was any 2018 01:47:41.680 --> 01:47:47.439 sort of human vocals in a j RPG song, then 2019 01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:49.479 it meant it was cool. You know what I'm trying 2020 01:47:49.520 --> 01:47:51.439 to get, you know, like one wing an Angel says 2021 01:47:51.439 --> 01:47:56.000 on this path, Oh yeah, Yeah, this was just a 2022 01:47:56.039 --> 01:47:58.279 really great, a really great moment. It is a is 2023 01:47:58.359 --> 01:48:02.560 absolute banger, probably one of my favorite pieces of boss music. 2024 01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:21.640 So you defeat this guy six stages if you have 2025 01:48:21.720 --> 01:48:24.520 diminish and you know how to roughly time it so 2026 01:48:24.640 --> 01:48:27.159 it kind of never goes away A lot of this 2027 01:48:27.279 --> 01:48:31.279 becomes perfunctory. Got I use that word. I don't know. 2028 01:48:31.640 --> 01:48:34.760 This is where beltas are. Afterwards, the Time Devour flies 2029 01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:37.920 away and says, now I can truly awaken. We're doing 2030 01:48:37.960 --> 01:48:42.119 that the true final boss Beltizer explains about the frozen 2031 01:48:42.119 --> 01:48:45.840 flame being Lavos, saying that whoever connects with it essentially 2032 01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:50.760 becomes one with Lavos. Hence the Time Devourer, and this 2033 01:48:50.840 --> 01:48:54.000 new being desires to end everything, return it all to nothing, 2034 01:48:54.399 --> 01:49:00.119 you know that classic jeripg trope. More interestingly, maybe the 2035 01:49:00.159 --> 01:49:03.239 tower sort of falls to the top of the ocean, 2036 01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:09.520 crystallizes in this like window sene and grows wings and 2037 01:49:09.600 --> 01:49:12.840 also like a pre formed head that kind of

turns 2038 01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:13.359 a little bit. 2039 01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:14.880 Yeah, it's weird. 2040 01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:16.960 I've never really quite figured out what this issupposed to 2041 01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:21.640 symbolize other than just like cool labyrinth destruction sequence, please 2042 01:49:21.720 --> 01:49:22.039 thank you. 2043 01:49:22.840 --> 01:49:25.880 Yeah, I don't know either, because directly afterwards there's there's 2044 01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:28.840 a little bit with your party right after. I largely 2045 01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:33.239 thought the first part of this dialogue was just thrown 2046 01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:34.720 in there to kill time, so I just didn't even 2047 01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:37.680 bother writing it. But Kid, or at least in my case, 2048 01:49:37.760 --> 01:49:40.840 Kid said, so this is the Tarra Tower's true final form, 2049 01:49:41.520 --> 01:49:44.239 like it was supposed to mean something, but then Kid 2050 01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:46.319 went on to talk about you know, it's it's we 2051 01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:48.520 can change fate, that kind of little speech, and they 2052 01:49:48.600 --> 01:49:50.439 just never talk about the tower again. And that's not 2053 01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:51.399 the final boss fight. 2054 01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:55.880 So yeah, who knows. I don't think that there's anything 2055 01:49:55.880 --> 01:49:58.920 to expound on there. And I guess, like that's like 2056 01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:01.319 what you you can do that with something that just 2057 01:50:01.359 --> 01:50:04.039 got pulled through ten thousand years of from an alternate 2058 01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:07.880 timeline or whatever and just do whatever. I guess you 2059 01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:08.960 don't have to explain this one. 2060 01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:09.359 I guess. 2061 01:50:09.800 --> 01:50:12.359 Yeah, he's once again Kato is leaning back, saying what 2062 01:50:12.399 --> 01:50:12.960 do you think? 2063 01:50:13.439 --> 01:50:15.359 Hmmm, I don't know what. I think. It looks kind 2064 01:50:15.359 --> 01:50:17.000 of like a giant weird bird. 2065 01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:19.760 Yeah, it kind of does. I thought it was gonna 2066 01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:21.680 have some kind of a tie into, like the rainbow 2067 01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:24.920 stuff that's been a tie in through both games. Yeah, sure, 2068 01:50:25.279 --> 01:50:29.479 not really. So here's here's where things get It's gonna 2069 01:50:29.479 --> 01:50:31.079 say here's where things get crazy, but that would be 2070 01:50:31.079 --> 01:50:34.239 a lie. They've been crazy for a while. You go back, 2071 01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:35.960 you're hinted to go back to where it all began. 2072 01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:38.920 Opassa beach. You know, time is a circle, This game 2073 01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:43.119 is a circle. Appropriate you get their home world and 2074 01:50:43.239 --> 01:50:45.960 all the Chrono kids are there. I remember, like I 2075 01:50:45.960 --> 01:50:48.359 didn't like at first when you first see them, like 2076 01:50:48.399 --> 01:50:51.000 in the factory way back when they're kind of like 2077 01:50:51.079 --> 01:50:53.920 the camera's real far back here. It's very close, so 2078 01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:56.479 you get to see their sprites, like right up close 2079 01:50:56.479 --> 01:50:59.960 in person. Looks so good, looks great, And the three 2080 01:51:00.079 --> 01:51:02.520 of them are going to say a whole lot of stuff. 2081 01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:06.239 Yep, this is the this is the Discs too moment 2082 01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:09.239 for Zeno Gears fans out there. We're gonna tell you 2083 01:51:09.239 --> 01:51:09.880 a lot of stuff. 2084 01:51:10.720 --> 01:51:14.640 Luca. You talk to Luca first, you should, She's the closest, 2085 01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:17.720 and she'll wonder, you know, when did this all start? 2086 01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:20.399 Sixty five million BC twenty three hundred, like when you 2087 01:51:20.479 --> 01:51:23.600 got bit all of this. But she concludes, and this 2088 01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:26.600 is the first time she has name checked, she concludes 2089 01:51:26.640 --> 01:51:32.039 it was with Shala. Yes, Shala is ultimately the crux 2090 01:51:32.680 --> 01:51:35.279 on top of which the Chrono series sort of rests. 2091 01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:38.960 And this is a really bold choice to do, especially 2092 01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:41.960 with how the story has kind of panned out up 2093 01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:44.520 to this point, like at least from the halfway point, 2094 01:51:44.720 --> 01:51:46.920 like they had their destinations in mind. They're kind of 2095 01:51:46.920 --> 01:51:49.279 forcing us into them, shunting us with Lord dumps and stuff. 2096 01:51:49.439 --> 01:51:52.079 It's really bold of them to keep this because Shala, 2097 01:51:52.560 --> 01:51:55.000 I mean largely Shaula has been a background character, an 2098 01:51:55.039 --> 01:51:59.239 important one, and you'd be forgiven if you thought that 2099 01:51:59.239 --> 01:52:02.319 she only existed as a motivation for Megas, like in 2100 01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:06.920 Trigger that is. But she's kind of the lynchpin on 2101 01:52:07.039 --> 01:52:08.479 this whole story. 2102 01:52:09.119 --> 01:52:13.239 That's correct, and I don't like that it's just now 2103 01:52:13.279 --> 01:52:16.520 being introduced, but I do think it is a good 2104 01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:19.720 pull from Croninal Trigger because she was like the one 2105 01:52:19.800 --> 01:52:23.560 character that was unaccounted for in the ending of Crinal Trigger, 2106 01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:26.640 And if you kept Magus through the end of the game, 2107 01:52:27.159 --> 01:52:30.319 then he left. In most of the endings, he leaves 2108 01:52:30.359 --> 01:52:33.720 to go search for her, and that's the one thread 2109 01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:35.800 that's that's left undone. 2110

01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:40.600 And after I think, after these three children speak, uh, 2111 01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:43.960 I want to ask you about a fan theory because 2112 01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:47.479 I okay, let's so Luca. Luca has the most to say. 2113 01:52:48.319 --> 01:52:51.239 Here's what she says. The true beginning was during the 2114 01:52:51.279 --> 01:52:54.720 destruction of the Kingdom of zeal As the palace collapsed 2115 01:52:54.720 --> 01:52:57.960 around her. Shalla was sucked into a dimensional vortex along 2116 01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:02.279 with the Lavos Mammon machine. Shala and Lavos became unified 2117 01:53:02.279 --> 01:53:04.960 into one even more powerful entity that would evolve into 2118 01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:08.520 the Devourer of Time. Filled with the hatred and sadness 2119 01:53:08.520 --> 01:53:11.680 of Lavos, half of Shala's mind became set on destroying 2120 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:14.479 all of existence, yet at the same time, the other 2121 01:53:14.560 --> 01:53:16.760 half of her mind desired to save the universe and 2122 01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:19.920 to be rescued herself. So we're back with that duality 2123 01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:23.479 thing that Chronocross has been playing with, she continues. As 2124 01:53:23.520 --> 01:53:26.000 Shalla fell through the time gate in this condition, she 2125 01:53:26.119 --> 01:53:30.359 heard your crying Surge echoing through time. That is when 2126 01:53:30.399 --> 01:53:33.159 her story in yours began to intertwine. It is also 2127 01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:35.199 when the past in the future began to intersect, and 2128 01:53:35.239 --> 01:53:38.159 when the world became divided into two, led by the 2129 01:53:38.199 --> 01:53:41.239 pitiful crying of the young Surge. It seemed like a 2130 01:53:41.319 --> 01:53:45.000 needless jab to Surge made as the Panther Demon's poison 2131 01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:48.479 took hold of him. Princess Shawa traveled ten thousand years 2132 01:53:48.479 --> 01:53:51.159 in time to try and make contact with this dimension. 2133 01:53:51.520 --> 01:53:54.800 This caused a raging magnetic storm that resulted in Fate's 2134 01:53:54.840 --> 01:53:59.000 system malfunction, which led Surge to the Frozen Flame. Before 2135 01:53:59.039 --> 01:54:02.239 the destructive mindset that could become dominant. She cloned herself, 2136 01:54:02.600 --> 01:54:06.319 Shala did, and sent her copy into this dimension. Shala 2137 01:54:06.399 --> 01:54:10.279 left her baby daughter clone all one thing with her 2138 01:54:10.319 --> 01:54:14.159 ancient pendant, possessing magical powers. This was to safeguard her 2139 01:54:14.239 --> 01:54:18.279 daughter clone in life and death situations. That pendant would 2140 01:54:18.279 --> 01:54:21.159 rewind time a little, sending her daughter clone into a 2141 01:54:21.239 --> 01:54:25.520 safer point in the immediate past. That's right, Kid, is 2142 01:54:25.560 --> 01:54:30.560 Shalla's Daughter's clone.

That explains the whole retrograde amnesia thing. 2143 01:54:31.159 --> 01:54:34.319 Yes, and also explains why she just is always okay, 2144 01:54:35.119 --> 01:54:35.520 m hmm. 2145 01:54:35.600 --> 01:54:38.600 Yeah. And now about Project Kids. So this is where 2146 01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:41.199 she talks about Project Kid. So queue up what you 2147 01:54:41.239 --> 01:54:44.760 were going to say. The Time Control Project Belthazar planned out. 2148 01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:47.840 The whole project existed to lead you to this one 2149 01:54:47.880 --> 01:54:52.279 special point in time. The founding of Chronopolis, the time crash, 2150 01:54:52.319 --> 01:54:55.159 and the battle between Fate and the Dragon Gods. It 2151 01:54:55.239 --> 01:54:58.239 was all coordinated so that you would get your hands 2152 01:54:58.239 --> 01:55:02.239 on the Crono Cross and come to this place. Of course, 2153 01:55:02.319 --> 01:55:04.199 Kid was not to know anything about this plan until 2154 01:55:04.279 --> 01:55:07.920 later when all was finished. Further in the future, Kid 2155 01:55:07.960 --> 01:55:10.479 is meant to travel back ten years in time from 2156 01:55:10.560 --> 01:55:14.760 now to save Surge from drowning. And then Kid was 2157 01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:17.399 also meant to call Surge into the other world as 2158 01:55:17.439 --> 01:55:20.880 he spoke with Lena here on Apassa Beach, and then 2159 01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:23.920 she makes like a final plea to him. See, that's 2160 01:55:24.680 --> 01:55:27.680 all of that is important in giving you like explicit lore. 2161 01:55:28.840 --> 01:55:30.920 They wanted to get here, they didn't have the time, 2162 01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:34.760 so they just said fuck it, tell us. So that's 2163 01:55:35.199 --> 01:55:38.439 that is. That's a lot. That is a lot what 2164 01:55:39.239 --> 01:55:42.199 Project Kid? You said, don't forget to talk about Project Kid. 2165 01:55:42.520 --> 01:55:44.159 Well, one of the reasons I wrote the down is 2166 01:55:44.159 --> 01:55:46.760 because I completely forgot that Luca gives us all of 2167 01:55:46.800 --> 01:55:51.520 the backstory for Project Kid right here. I thought that 2168 01:55:51.560 --> 01:55:53.479 Project Kid was something that you kind of had to 2169 01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:57.600 put together yourself as a player, and I totally forgot 2170 01:55:57.600 --> 01:56:01.760 that she like explicitly tells us what it is, and 2171 01:56:01.840 --> 01:56:05.399 what it is is simply just the thought process and 2172 01:56:05.439 --> 01:56:08.520 the plan of Belthazar, who seems like a guy who 2173 01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:10.279 has way too many plans, and he seems like a 2174 01:56:10.319 --> 01:56:13.760 guy who's messed all this up to begin with. Maybe 2175 01:56:13.800 --> 01:56:15.840 he's the true bad guy, I don't know, or maybe 2176 01:56:15.840 --> 01:56:18.239 he's just, you know, a little bit misguided. 2177 01:56:18.760 --> 01:56:21.399 But the one thing that I've. 2178 01:56:21.239 --> 01:56:25.319 Always found to be a little difficult to grapple with 2179 01:56:26.159 --> 01:56:32.279 is that how how could Belthazar set this in motion? 2180 01:56:33.560 --> 01:56:36.239 Like is Project Kid even a project? 2181 01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:38.680 Or did he? Just like how did like? 2182 01:56:39.039 --> 01:56:41.520 How? How how could he know that that a daughter 2183 01:56:41.600 --> 01:56:45.359 clone was going to be created? And how to orchestrate 2184 01:56:45.960 --> 01:56:49.399 her actions? It all seems very I don't know, off 2185 01:56:49.399 --> 01:56:52.319 the off the rails here. I feel like Project Kid 2186 01:56:52.319 --> 01:56:54.279 gets things going off the rails because I think we 2187 01:56:54.279 --> 01:56:56.079 could just let it play as it as it is, 2188 01:56:56.079 --> 01:56:58.359 where like Charlot's got magical powers, she sends her daughter 2189 01:56:58.439 --> 01:57:00.720 clone in the in the past and that sets off 2190 01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:03.880 these events, I think we'd still land here, like, I 2191 01:57:03.920 --> 01:57:06.800 don't know if this needs to feel orchestrated, and that 2192 01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:08.279 that's just a little bit of a quip or a 2193 01:57:08.319 --> 01:57:09.239 criticism I have with this. 2194 01:57:10.039 --> 01:57:12.439 Yeah, you know, I that's a good point. I hadn't 2195 01:57:12.479 --> 01:57:15.039 thought of that we could have just undone the Belthazar 2196 01:57:15.079 --> 01:57:17.479 bit here. That actually would have been much better. 2197 01:57:18.319 --> 01:57:21.199 Oh shit, because that would be the one, maybe the 2198 01:57:21.239 --> 01:57:23.600 one thing in this in this entire process that is 2199 01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:27.479 not planned or predetermined by either you know, an AI 2200 01:57:27.720 --> 01:57:28.119 or a guy. 2201 01:57:28.920 --> 01:57:33.279 Yeah, I guess, Like I feel like if I were 2202 01:57:33.319 --> 01:57:35.359 asked to defend it, the only thing I could come 2203 01:57:35.439 --> 01:57:38.119 up with is that, you know, he's been traveling through 2204 01:57:38.359 --> 01:57:41.520 time and different dimensions so much you could probably just 2205 01:57:41.600 --> 01:57:44.199 handwave and say, yeah, he went to one where this 2206 01:57:44.319 --> 01:57:48.600 happened and it didn't work. I guess. I mean that 2207 01:57:48.600 --> 01:57:50.920 that feels like such a cop out, But I can't, like, 2208 01:57:51.000 --> 01:57:53.439 I have trouble putting the logic together of how else 2209 01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:55.600 they would have. I don't know. Man. 2210 01:57:56.600 --> 01:57:58.520 So the first thing that Belthazar did was was to 2211 01:57:58.600 --> 01:58:02.479 create the time machine or Chronopolis, I guess, is what 2212 01:58:02.520 --> 01:58:06.159 he created first in this in this process. Yeah, he 2213 01:58:06.239 --> 01:58:09.840 had the frozen flame, he created air, he

installed Fate 2214 01:58:10.479 --> 01:58:15.640 off a floppy drive. Did he trigger the the the 2215 01:58:15.640 --> 01:58:18.439 the time crash thing? Like? Is that was that actually 2216 01:58:18.520 --> 01:58:21.159 part of it? Or was that or was that that 2217 01:58:21.159 --> 01:58:24.199 that a problem because we just learned that the time 2218 01:58:24.239 --> 01:58:27.560 crash or did we No, never mind, we didn't learn 2219 01:58:27.600 --> 01:58:29.800 the time crash was part what was was part of Yeah? 2220 01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:32.039 Yeah, she says, the founding of Chronopolis, the time crash 2221 01:58:32.119 --> 01:58:34.479 and the battle between Fate and the Dragon Gods, it 2222 01:58:34.520 --> 01:58:37.239 was all coordinated, so maybe maybe that was planned. 2223 01:58:38.039 --> 01:58:41.000 Okay, so let's let's just for a minute grant grant 2224 01:58:41.039 --> 01:58:47.479 that that the time crash was predestined by Pelthazar. The 2225 01:58:47.520 --> 01:58:50.239 next thing that happened is Chronopolis when flying back into 2226 01:58:50.319 --> 01:58:54.039 the to the past, and then Fate controlled everyone and 2227 01:58:54.199 --> 01:58:56.399 on El Nido and used the records of Fate to 2228 01:58:57.199 --> 01:59:01.520 uh preserve the timeline. So if beth is, if Belthazar 2229 01:59:01.680 --> 01:59:04.199 was the one that created that or or orchestrated that, 2230 01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:09.640 then he wanted he wanted Chronopolis to be there in 2231 01:59:09.640 --> 01:59:12.960 al Nido, and he wanted the timeline to be preserved. 2232 01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:17.600 So now he's got like this, this sort of predictable 2233 01:59:17.640 --> 01:59:20.399 set of things that are going to occur into the future. 2234 01:59:21.159 --> 01:59:24.560 So what do you do after that? Let me think here, Well, 2235 01:59:24.600 --> 01:59:27.159 I guess the next step would be I was gonna 2236 01:59:27.159 --> 01:59:30.640 say Surge, but Surge's story can't exist without Kid because 2237 01:59:30.720 --> 01:59:35.560 kids the one who saves him from the when he 2238 01:59:35.600 --> 01:59:38.800 was a kid. I guess right, No pun intended. So 2239 01:59:38.880 --> 01:59:41.760 if Kid comes back, well, how did he get how 2240 01:59:41.800 --> 01:59:44.960 did he? How is how is Belthazar able to influence 2241 01:59:45.039 --> 01:59:47.000 Kid to do this? Did he insert her into the 2242 01:59:47.039 --> 01:59:52.319 timeline somehow? Have you seen the add on epilogue for 2243 01:59:52.560 --> 01:59:54.079 the Corono trigger DS. 2244 01:59:54.640 --> 01:59:56.720 Is that the one where Luca finds kid like in 2245 01:59:56.800 --> 01:59:58.000 the in the forest? 2246 01:59:58.600 --> 02:00:02.199 Yeah, h where she finds the baby with the pendant 2247 02:00:02.239 --> 02:00:05.000 in the forest. Like, I don't know if it's possible 2248 02:00:05.000 --> 02:00:06.760 for Beth his art to be responsible for that, but 2249 02:00:06.840 --> 02:00:09.720 if if Project kid is A is a pre programmed 2250 02:00:10.760 --> 02:00:13.119 plan or scenario, then then he would have had to 2251 02:00:13.359 --> 02:00:16.359 and sort of get into the process right there and then, 2252 02:00:16.479 --> 02:00:19.680 and then that would have created the the the splitting 2253 02:00:19.680 --> 02:00:24.600 of the timelines when Surge was saved. So he forced 2254 02:00:24.640 --> 02:00:26.920 the timelines to be split, assuming that he and started 2255 02:00:27.000 --> 02:00:31.119 kid into the into the process, then he let then 2256 02:00:31.159 --> 02:00:33.079 the rest of the gameplay that were Fate and the 2257 02:00:33.159 --> 02:00:36.920 Dragons thought, I mean, is it possible? 2258 02:00:37.680 --> 02:00:40.319 And I'm look, I'm again I'm admitting I am not 2259 02:00:40.399 --> 02:00:42.760 good with time travel stuff. Is it possible that like 2260 02:00:43.600 --> 02:00:47.279 this timeline had already started so he would have been 2261 02:00:47.319 --> 02:00:51.520 able to know that No, because that doesn't work. Well, 2262 02:00:52.439 --> 02:00:55.880 oh my god, I don't know. I was gonna say, like, 2263 02:00:56.239 --> 02:00:59.399 and maybe he saw that in a timeline a Kid 2264 02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:04.800 saving Surge and then said, okay, now if no, that 2265 02:01:04.800 --> 02:01:06.920 doesn't make sense, I. 2266 02:01:06.880 --> 02:01:09.000 Think it can that that can make sense, Like if 2267 02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:11.279 he's if he has the ability through we don't know 2268 02:01:11.279 --> 02:01:13.920 what powers Chronopolis necessarily has, so if he has the 2269 02:01:13.960 --> 02:01:18.800 ability to see the fragments of time, then perhaps he 2270 02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:22.119 could have he could have orchestrated that. I guess all 2271 02:01:22.119 --> 02:01:24.399 this is to say that, like I've always we have 2272 02:01:24.439 --> 02:01:27.760 a little term or fun meme on our podcast where 2273 02:01:27.800 --> 02:01:32.640 we always always call out when people are are scenario guys, 2274 02:01:32.800 --> 02:01:37.119 Like guys who are trying to orchestrate a scenario for 2275 02:01:37.319 --> 02:01:40.199 one reason or another to their own ends, like Willhelm 2276 02:01:40.279 --> 02:01:43.279 from xenosag As one of them. Are the many characters 2277 02:01:43.399 --> 02:01:46.560 in Zeno Gears are scenario guys. I never really thought 2278 02:01:46.600 --> 02:01:50.199 that Bronocrass had a scenario guy, but I now am convinced. 2279 02:01:50.279 --> 02:01:54.319 I've convinced myself that Belthazar is a scenario guy. He's 2280 02:01:54.359 --> 02:01:57.079 the one who orchestrated everything. And I guess it's and 2281 02:01:57.159 --> 02:01:59.800 I guess like just going just thinking through what we 2282 02:01:59.880 --> 02:02:03.960 just thought through, that it's possible that it it actually 2283 02:02:03.960 --> 02:02:06.920 works in terms of understanding things. 2284

02:02:07.560 --> 02:02:11.880 I'm so torn. I really want to just replay Crono 2285 02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:15.319 Trigger and Chronocross again right now. But I also don't 2286 02:02:15.319 --> 02:02:17.479 want to burn myself out on all this and kind 2287 02:02:17.520 --> 02:02:20.720 of resent the series. I like talking about this stuff 2288 02:02:21.439 --> 02:02:23.560 is I mean again, it's where it comes alive. It 2289 02:02:23.560 --> 02:02:25.399 comes live off the page, off of the score, off 2290 02:02:25.399 --> 02:02:28.520 of the screen, whatever, whatever, whatever, And that's what makes 2291 02:02:28.640 --> 02:02:32.199 this stuff good. But it just makes me, especially with 2292 02:02:32.279 --> 02:02:34.880 Cross where a lot of this is so convoluted, like 2293 02:02:34.920 --> 02:02:36.760 I want to go back and replay it to see 2294 02:02:36.840 --> 02:02:38.840 what I missed that they might have put in there 2295 02:02:39.279 --> 02:02:41.319 that you just might not have noticed because so much 2296 02:02:41.319 --> 02:02:44.760 other BS is going on. Who has that time? 2297 02:02:45.920 --> 02:02:46.239 Not me? 2298 02:02:47.479 --> 02:02:48.319 Belthazar does. 2299 02:02:49.079 --> 02:02:50.520 Yeah, certainly. 2300 02:03:18.479 --> 02:03:20.880 Marl gets a little bit of the short stick here. 2301 02:03:21.000 --> 02:03:25.680 She doesn't have a ton of really critical stuff to say, 2302 02:03:26.239 --> 02:03:29.720 essentially saying that only Surge can you know, can can 2303 02:03:29.760 --> 02:03:33.840 do this. If you don't, something even more powerful than 2304 02:03:33.880 --> 02:03:37.720 Lavos is going to come up. Oh and that belth 2305 02:03:37.800 --> 02:03:40.640 Star foresaw all of this, he knew it was gonna happen. 2306 02:03:41.680 --> 02:03:45.600 Chrono and this could be kind of cool too, because 2307 02:03:45.640 --> 02:03:47.840 this is like you could hand wave away I guess 2308 02:03:47.880 --> 02:03:50.880 the other instances of Chrono speaking because like it could 2309 02:03:50.920 --> 02:03:54.279 have been anybody in there. You could say, this is 2310 02:03:54.319 --> 02:03:56.760 explicitly where you talk to him. This is him speaking, 2311 02:03:56.760 --> 02:03:58.800 which I imagine would have been pretty cool. 2312 02:03:58.920 --> 02:03:59.199 Cool. 2313 02:03:59.520 --> 02:04:01.479 He has a lot of good stuff to say, though. 2314 02:04:02.079 --> 02:04:06.279 He says, ten years ago you died at this very spot, Surge. 2315 02:04:06.479 --> 02:04:09.680 There's no mistake you drowned. The truth is this world 2316 02:04:09.920 --> 02:04:13.239 in which you are still alive is the irregularity. This 2317 02:04:13.319 --> 02:04:16.399 is the false reality. Ten years ago. It was Lynx 2318 02:04:16.439 --> 02:04:19.880 who tried to kill you at this beach. After Prometheus 2319 02:04:20.399 --> 02:04:23.960 robo broke the link between Fate and the Flame, Fate 2320 02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:27.159 tried to eliminate any obstacle that stood in its way. 2321 02:04:27.239 --> 02:04:30.920 In the meantime, the Six Dragons had sent Horrel seventh 2322 02:04:31.000 --> 02:04:33.800 Dragon fourth to try to gain possession of the Flame. 2323 02:04:34.199 --> 02:04:38.760 Are all made contact with Fate's biological incarnation links and 2324 02:04:38.960 --> 02:04:44.520 tricked him into tem temporarily joining forces. I missed that 2325 02:04:44.640 --> 02:04:49.119 somehow anyway. The elimination of the Prometheus circuit's lock on 2326 02:04:49.159 --> 02:04:52.760 the frozen Flame was everyone's top priority. Lynx and Horror 2327 02:04:52.800 --> 02:04:56.159 abducted Luca talked about that before, who alone could release 2328 02:04:56.199 --> 02:04:59.199 the Prometheus lock that guarded the flame, But that whole 2329 02:04:59.199 --> 02:05:02.640 attempt only en in failure. Then they just waited for 2330 02:05:02.720 --> 02:05:05.960 you to appear instead. You see Fate calculated that you 2331 02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:08.840 would one day cross the dimensions and try to make 2332 02:05:08.880 --> 02:05:11.359 contact with the flame. I don't know how to break 2333 02:05:11.359 --> 02:05:14.760 this to you, but Lynx was actually your father. Wazuki 2334 02:05:15.720 --> 02:05:18.479 drawing closer to the flame caused him to become unstable, 2335 02:05:18.520 --> 02:05:22.520 and the image of you dying in terror changed him completely. Finally, 2336 02:05:22.800 --> 02:05:25.960 after having his psyche totally eroded, he lost his soul 2337 02:05:26.039 --> 02:05:29.279 and was easily integrated by Fate. Fate turned Wazuki into 2338 02:05:29.279 --> 02:05:32.640 a biological interface, modeling him after your worst fear at 2339 02:05:32.680 --> 02:05:36.439 the time, a panther. Although Wazuki managed to escape from 2340 02:05:36.479 --> 02:05:40.399 Chronopolis with you, he later succumbed to Fate. He goes 2341 02:05:40.439 --> 02:05:44.800 on to news about the state of humans, their fragility. 2342 02:05:46.079 --> 02:05:48.079 That is a lot. I copy and pasted that and 2343 02:05:48.119 --> 02:05:51.000 cut out some stuff like just reading through it earlier, 2344 02:05:51.680 --> 02:05:55.319 I completely missed. What did I say that I missed 2345 02:05:55.359 --> 02:05:55.680 up there? 2346 02:05:56.600 --> 02:06:00.960 The fact that Harley tricked links into oh yes, becoming 2347 02:06:01.439 --> 02:06:03.720 form an alliance, being in with one another. 2348 02:06:04.359 --> 02:06:07.399 They uh, by the way, somebody pointed this out online. 2349 02:06:07.439 --> 02:06:09.600 They never have any interactions in the whole game. They 2350 02:06:09.640 --> 02:06:13.039 never speak to one another. Really, isn't that weird? 2351 02:06:13.560 --> 02:06:16.199 That is weird because she talks to when when you 2352 02:06:16.239 --> 02:06:19.640 are in Lynx's body and she is with you, she 2353 02:06:19.720 --> 02:06:21.399 talks to Surge an awful lot. 2354

02:06:22.279 --> 02:06:24.439 Yeah she like, you know, you see them together like 2355 02:06:24.439 --> 02:06:27.439 in the orphanage scene and stuff, but they never talk 2356 02:06:27.600 --> 02:06:30.920 or he never talks to her anyway. I don't know, man, 2357 02:06:31.000 --> 02:06:33.560 that's a lot. I don't want to keep repeating myself. 2358 02:06:33.600 --> 02:06:35.880 But they they really wanted us to get to where 2359 02:06:35.920 --> 02:06:37.880 they had planned to be. 2360 02:06:38.680 --> 02:06:41.359 Yeah, And I don't know what they could have done 2361 02:06:41.479 --> 02:06:44.319 to get us there other than just telling us. But 2362 02:06:44.359 --> 02:06:45.920 I would have loved to have seen a world where 2363 02:06:45.960 --> 02:06:47.760 they had three more years to figure that out. 2364 02:06:48.760 --> 02:06:52.399 Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. I forget at what point I 2365 02:06:52.439 --> 02:06:54.279 thought this, But at one point I was like, yeah, 2366 02:06:54.279 --> 02:06:57.239 this game reminds me of like Lost Odyssey, where it's 2367 02:06:57.239 --> 02:07:00.119 like it's it's a bit of a mess, but I 2368 02:07:00.119 --> 02:07:01.960 I just you know, it's doing some cool things. It 2369 02:07:02.000 --> 02:07:04.600 also reminds me of Zeno Saga to a bit of 2370 02:07:04.600 --> 02:07:07.279 a less degree. It just needed so much more time 2371 02:07:07.359 --> 02:07:10.960 because the ideas were there, the talent was there. If 2372 02:07:11.000 --> 02:07:13.880 they had more budget, more time, better planning, this could 2373 02:07:13.880 --> 02:07:17.119 have been like a generational thing. And it's just a 2374 02:07:17.159 --> 02:07:20.000 shame you know, I don't know, not a shame. I mean, 2375 02:07:20.039 --> 02:07:23.520 I again, I love the game. There's just so much 2376 02:07:23.680 --> 02:07:25.800 you know what, Let's tie it back to the first 2377 02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:28.560 thing we talked about. It's like the Star Wars prequels. 2378 02:07:29.039 --> 02:07:33.439 There's so much like potential that you can just see 2379 02:07:33.560 --> 02:07:36.600 that was untapped, just went without and we're always wondering, 2380 02:07:36.640 --> 02:07:38.199 like what could have been? We could have had something 2381 02:07:38.319 --> 02:07:38.920 so amazing. 2382 02:07:39.920 --> 02:07:44.520 Yeah, that's a really apt comparison because I mean, why 2383 02:07:44.800 --> 02:07:48.560 was Star Wars so beloved. It was because it was 2384 02:07:48.640 --> 02:07:52.960 a world that any number of people could play around in, 2385 02:07:53.359 --> 02:07:57.720 whether that be in with books or games or just 2386 02:07:57.800 --> 02:08:02.319 your own imagination. And it feels like whenever a new 2387 02:08:02.359 --> 02:08:05.239 Star Wars thing comes out and it sucks, it feels 2388 02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:06.840 it feels wasted. 2389 02:08:06.520 --> 02:08:08.079 Because you can see the potential there. 2390 02:08:08.640

--> 02:08:12.119 And I think, I mean, it's a Chrono Trigger to 2391 02:08:12.600 --> 02:08:15.640 a much much lesser degree. It's not nearly the ip 2392 02:08:15.840 --> 02:08:18.680 that that Star Wars is, but like it is, it 2393 02:08:18.760 --> 02:08:22.880 is beloved in this specific niche that you can see 2394 02:08:22.920 --> 02:08:26.000 so much that that that can come out of that 2395 02:08:26.119 --> 02:08:28.720 and come out of those ideas, and those ideas are 2396 02:08:29.039 --> 02:08:33.199 partially or mostly formed here in Chrono Cross but It's 2397 02:08:33.359 --> 02:08:37.239 just the landing is not necessarily stuck in a way 2398 02:08:37.279 --> 02:08:42.000 that would be appealing enough to make this an everlasting 2399 02:08:42.079 --> 02:08:44.399 kind of series, you know, like we never we never 2400 02:08:44.399 --> 02:08:47.000 see an our croninal game after this, and perhaps the 2401 02:08:47.039 --> 02:08:50.079 things turn out differently we would have for better or worse. 2402 02:08:50.119 --> 02:08:52.079 Who knows, you know they are. 2403 02:08:52.279 --> 02:08:54.479 That rumor of a Chrono Trigger remake has been floating 2404 02:08:54.479 --> 02:08:57.079 around quite a bit the vast couple of months. 2405 02:08:57.640 --> 02:08:59.840 I do believe there was some merchandise or something being 2406 02:09:00.479 --> 02:09:03.119 so whenever that kind of happens, people kind of ramp up, 2407 02:09:03.119 --> 02:09:05.800 being like, oh, they're getting ready to announce something for 2408 02:09:06.319 --> 02:09:08.319 Corona Trigger, but who knows? 2409 02:09:08.399 --> 02:09:09.479 Man. Yeah. 2410 02:09:09.520 --> 02:09:11.960 You also you also have like some of those posts 2411 02:09:12.000 --> 02:09:14.399 on like four Chan, where admittedly a lot of them 2412 02:09:14.399 --> 02:09:16.159 are right, but just as many, if not more, are 2413 02:09:16.199 --> 02:09:19.000 wrong saying that like yeah, someone's you know, they're working 2414 02:09:19.000 --> 02:09:21.560 on it. On one hand, I want to think, like, 2415 02:09:21.600 --> 02:09:24.960 I don't know if they would have the gall to 2416 02:09:25.199 --> 02:09:27.000 like change it up, But then again, they did that 2417 02:09:27.079 --> 02:09:29.920 with seven, you know, and I would say seven is 2418 02:09:30.479 --> 02:09:34.279 both more important and beloved than Chrono Trigger, right or wrong. 2419 02:09:34.359 --> 02:09:39.359 I culturally I think that's probably accurate. Who knows, maybe 2420 02:09:39.399 --> 02:09:42.039 they'll remake this and like retouch stuff up even more 2421 02:09:42.800 --> 02:09:44.920 trigger I mean trigger, But then you know, on a 2422 02:09:44.960 --> 02:09:46.520 long enough timeline, maybe cross. 2423 02:09:46.640 --> 02:09:49.760 I don't know, right right right, it will be I 2424 02:09:49.760 --> 02:09:55.239 don't know, like it. My sort of perception of square 2425 02:09:55.479 --> 02:09:57.600 X as a corporation is like the people that are 2426 02:09:57.680 --> 02:09:58.640 calling the shots have no. 2427 02:09:58.640 --> 02:09:59.800 Idea what's actually going on. 2428 02:10:00.359 --> 02:10:02.560 But that's just the way. That's the way the way 2429 02:10:02.600 --> 02:10:03.960 I see it. I don't I don't have anything to 2430 02:10:04.000 --> 02:10:05.479 go off of. It's just kind of the way the 2431 02:10:05.520 --> 02:10:06.520 way it seems. 2432 02:10:06.760 --> 02:10:08.960 No, Yeah, I agree with you. I think most people 2433 02:10:08.960 --> 02:10:24.399 would final battle. This is it. It's against the same boss. 2434 02:10:25.199 --> 02:10:28.920 No music this time. It's just like ambient vortex swirl 2435 02:10:29.039 --> 02:10:32.760 sounds pretty cool and you're kind of out of time. 2436 02:10:33.439 --> 02:10:37.039 It's just sort of vortex space. And there are two 2437 02:10:37.039 --> 02:10:40.840 ways you can go about this. Oh sorry, actually it 2438 02:10:40.920 --> 02:10:42.439 is Uh, it is not. I don't know why I 2439 02:10:42.439 --> 02:10:45.079 said that. It is not the same thing, the same boss. 2440 02:10:45.159 --> 02:10:49.520 It is very clearly Lavos. Actually it is a Lavos spawn, 2441 02:10:49.920 --> 02:10:54.520 but Shala is like encased at the top like a 2442 02:10:54.680 --> 02:10:58.359 like a crown sort of correct. Yeah, it's and I 2443 02:10:58.399 --> 02:11:01.800 mean we understand it to be heard now, I don't know. 2444 02:11:01.800 --> 02:11:03.720 I thought I read somewhere that blue hair was important 2445 02:11:03.920 --> 02:11:07.159 to that family in Crono Trigger, but that might have 2446 02:11:07.239 --> 02:11:09.279 just been a fan theory or like a coincidence thing. 2447 02:11:10.279 --> 02:11:10.920 I think it was. 2448 02:11:11.119 --> 02:11:13.880 Yeah, I think it was just a I think there 2449 02:11:13.960 --> 02:11:16.520 was a fan theory or a coincidence. I think the 2450 02:11:16.560 --> 02:11:19.279 reason they changed her hair color was that she would 2451 02:11:19.279 --> 02:11:23.319 match the kid design. And I guess if kids showed 2452 02:11:23.359 --> 02:11:25.119 up with blue hair then people then that might have 2453 02:11:25.399 --> 02:11:27.000 given away a little bit too much too early. 2454 02:11:27.039 --> 02:11:29.279 Maybe Oh yeah. 2455 02:11:28.640 --> 02:11:30.199 But yeah, that's it. And I think the reason that 2456 02:11:30.239 --> 02:11:30.920 you thought maybe. 2457 02:11:30.800 --> 02:11:32.439 It was the same the same bosses. 2458 02:11:32.680 --> 02:11:36.000 I think this thing's also called the Time Devour it is, yeah, 2459 02:11:36.039 --> 02:11:38.359 but in this case it is fully fused with lavos. 2460 02:11:38.399 --> 02:11:41.119 And I don't know if the Dragon God has anything 2461 02:11:41.159 --> 02:11:43.119 to do with this one or if it's just alternate 2462 02:11:43.199 --> 02:11:44.560 version of it, But you're right, it is a lava 2463 02:11:44.640 --> 02:11:48.479 spawn

with with her sort of embedded into it. And 2464 02:11:48.520 --> 02:11:50.600 as we as we will come to understand, or as 2465 02:11:50.600 --> 02:11:54.920 we already understand, when she fell into that portal in 2466 02:11:55.880 --> 02:11:58.840 Coronel Trigger, she fell into this this darkness beyond time 2467 02:11:59.399 --> 02:12:03.880 and then became fused with this thing that thus creating everything. 2468 02:12:04.560 --> 02:12:06.159 And now there are two ways you can go about this. 2469 02:12:06.920 --> 02:12:09.760 So the ending that I reckon most folks will get 2470 02:12:09.760 --> 02:12:12.359 without a guide, and probably most folks back then Got 2471 02:12:12.359 --> 02:12:15.720 Too is the typical final boss way. You know, you 2472 02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:19.359 fight it and you win. And I'm not one hundred 2473 02:12:19.359 --> 02:12:22.840 percent sure I'm clear on this, Chris, so please correct 2474 02:12:22.880 --> 02:12:25.960 me if I'm wrong. But when you fight it and 2475 02:12:26.039 --> 02:12:28.840 if you beat it, it's sort of you know, it 2476 02:12:30.119 --> 02:12:34.039 phases out of existence, you know, it disappears, you kill it, 2477 02:12:34.640 --> 02:12:37.720 and then the game ends. It's credits. I admit I 2478 02:12:37.720 --> 02:12:39.399 didn't get this one. I played through on PS one. 2479 02:12:39.439 --> 02:12:41.359 I got the good ending. I watched this on YouTube 2480 02:12:41.359 --> 02:12:43.960 and a compilation, so they might have cut out a 2481 02:12:44.079 --> 02:12:47.239 post credits scene, but I don't remember seeing one. So 2482 02:12:47.359 --> 02:12:51.079 I took that to mean you just ended everything. You 2483 02:12:51.479 --> 02:12:57.439 destroyed the timeline the universe. Is that? Oh? Is it? Okay? 2484 02:12:57.680 --> 02:13:01.000 Yeah? Read it is that? Like you did not free 2485 02:13:01.640 --> 02:13:05.800 Shala from Lavos or the time devour, and thus time 2486 02:13:05.920 --> 02:13:08.359 was devoured, and now we are just in the infinite 2487 02:13:08.399 --> 02:13:11.399 darkness and there is nothing. There is no ending to 2488 02:13:11.399 --> 02:13:13.359 show because there is no ending that exists. 2489 02:13:13.800 --> 02:13:16.800 Okay, all right, the game it's making me doubt myself 2490 02:13:16.840 --> 02:13:19.079 a lot because I don't feel like I understand half 2491 02:13:19.119 --> 02:13:23.840 of it. Sometimes, Okay, cool, So that's thematically, that's appropriate. 2492 02:13:24.239 --> 02:13:29.079 Narratively that's appropriate. You were given hints that fighting is 2493 02:13:29.119 --> 02:13:32.239 not the way to go. So the way to get 2494 02:13:32.239 --> 02:13:34.760 the good ending, the quote unquote good ending, is you 2495 02:13:34.840 --> 02:13:38.600 have to use the chronocross after you use the other 2496 02:13:38.680 --> 02:13:46.279 six elements in a specific order, that order being yellow, red, green, blue, black, white, 2497 02:13:46.880 --> 02:13:51.960 and then chronocross. Obviously, the problem is the time devour. 2498 02:13:52.119 --> 02:13:55.600 Can you use attacks too. What I found though, and 2499 02:13:55.640 --> 02:13:57.600 this was through trial and error because I did the 2500 02:13:57.760 --> 02:14:01.479 order wrong the first time, it will always use the 2501 02:14:01.600 --> 02:14:06.119 opposite color of what is next in the cycle. And 2502 02:14:06.119 --> 02:14:08.119 I think I read somewhere online. I didn't test this, 2503 02:14:08.159 --> 02:14:09.760 but I think I read somewhere online that if you 2504 02:14:09.840 --> 02:14:12.880 do fight it till it gets weaker, it'll start using 2505 02:14:13.079 --> 02:14:16.760 the right color in the cycle, which is interpreted as 2506 02:14:16.920 --> 02:14:22.000 shala like her will becoming dominant, like forcing, like trying 2507 02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:25.600 to help you, which I think is pretty damn cool. 2508 02:14:26.319 --> 02:14:28.000 But you have to do it in that order. I 2509 02:14:28.039 --> 02:14:31.000 spent forever just defending waiting for it to use yellow, 2510 02:14:31.079 --> 02:14:33.920 and it just kept using green, and I was like, oh, okay, 2511 02:14:34.079 --> 02:14:36.560 it's using the opposite, and then I trial an error. 2512 02:14:36.960 --> 02:14:39.960 It used black whenever it was supposed to be white. 2513 02:14:40.239 --> 02:14:42.279 So you can as long as you have the stamina 2514 02:14:42.399 --> 02:14:45.079 and the elements built up. You're using just level ones 2515 02:14:45.119 --> 02:14:47.359 and twos. You can do this like all in a row. 2516 02:14:48.000 --> 02:14:52.239 If you end on white and chronocross is next, it 2517 02:14:52.319 --> 02:14:55.720 won't attack because there is no opposite to cronocross, so 2518 02:14:55.760 --> 02:14:58.039 you get another free turn. Then you use it. The 2519 02:14:58.079 --> 02:15:03.279 battle ends, Shala is freed in a very like uh 2520 02:15:03.359 --> 02:15:05.239 I don't want to say dramatic, that's not the right word, 2521 02:15:06.039 --> 02:15:09.159 but it is also it is the right word. 2522 02:15:31.760 --> 02:15:36.640 It is like a crescendo of like magical space time bullshit, 2523 02:15:36.760 --> 02:15:39.279 and then like the melody of the Crono Cross. 2524 02:15:39.399 --> 02:15:42.800 Yes, the melody of the Chrono Cross. I am ninety 2525 02:15:42.800 --> 02:15:46.119 five percent certain that it is either a direct quote 2526 02:15:46.279 --> 02:15:50.600 or a very close reference to a Chrono trigger tune. 2527 02:15:51.079 --> 02:15:53.920 And I don't know which one, but I'm so certain 2528 02:15:53.960 --> 02:15:55.760 it is. I know I've heard it. 2529 02:15:56.479 --> 02:16:00.720 Now, how many how many knights have you woken up 2530 02:16:00.720 --> 02:16:04.000 in the middle of the night and just wonder like, Okay, 2531 02:16:04.600 --> 02:16:06.960 I know how I know how to make the chronal 2532 02:16:07.039 -->

02:16:10.199 cross work. But why does the chronal cross work? Like, 2533 02:16:10.319 --> 02:16:12.600 why is it that the chronal cross is able to 2534 02:16:12.640 --> 02:16:16.119 pull her out of lavos? Like from a lore perspective, 2535 02:16:16.600 --> 02:16:18.399 because this is something I've always grappled with. 2536 02:16:19.640 --> 02:16:21.840 Well tonight, I guess this can be the first time. 2537 02:16:22.880 --> 02:16:25.720 I yeah, I don't know. I mean, what did Stina say. 2538 02:16:25.720 --> 02:16:29.079 Stina said it was the dragon teer. I said, I 2539 02:16:29.119 --> 02:16:31.800 didn't understand that, So I don't know. 2540 02:16:32.360 --> 02:16:35.719 It does contain all that it does contain, Like I 2541 02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:37.200 don't know if it contained the right word, but it 2542 02:16:37.200 --> 02:16:41.520 does like interact with all six of the of the elements, 2543 02:16:41.959 --> 02:16:44.200 and the elements were created by Fate as part of 2544 02:16:44.239 --> 02:16:49.159 its protocols to like control society and preserve the timeline, 2545 02:16:49.360 --> 02:16:50.600 so it had to make sure. 2546 02:16:50.440 --> 02:16:54.399 That no one could leave the island. But how do that? 2547 02:16:54.440 --> 02:16:57.680 How that like is able to change. 2548 02:16:57.399 --> 02:17:00.639 The structure of of reality or what ever it's doing 2549 02:17:01.479 --> 02:17:04.399 has always been a mystery to me because it's the 2550 02:17:04.440 --> 02:17:08.479 same as the Chrono trigger. From Chrono Trigger, it was 2551 02:17:08.559 --> 02:17:11.079 just a fucking egg that some guy gave you. How 2552 02:17:11.120 --> 02:17:11.559 does it work? 2553 02:17:11.600 --> 02:17:15.639 I don't know, you need a replica dummy doll? Yeah, 2554 02:17:15.760 --> 02:17:17.120 whoever you're bringing back to life. 2555 02:17:17.479 --> 02:17:19.079 That was all very weird, but we accept it. And 2556 02:17:19.120 --> 02:17:22.879 I think of the as much as Corona Cross the 2557 02:17:22.920 --> 02:17:26.440 game tries to explain itself. I don't know if this 2558 02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:30.120 is explainable other than the fact that like this thing 2559 02:17:30.239 --> 02:17:34.559 is somehow intertwined with the elements. Yeah, and that create 2560 02:17:34.639 --> 02:17:37.120 and that's able to create this harmony that you know, 2561 02:17:37.440 --> 02:17:39.479 brings the timelines back together and frees her. 2562 02:17:40.159 --> 02:17:43.040 And I think harmony is maybe an operative word in there. 2563 02:17:43.280 --> 02:17:47.159 They're dealing with those dualities a lot throughout here, nature 2564 02:17:47.239 --> 02:17:49.680 versus man, the tear of love and the tear of hate, 2565 02:17:49.719 --> 02:17:54.200 making the Chrono Cross, bringing the six Dragon gods into harmony, 2566 02:17:55.079 --> 02:17:59.479 and not choosing violence against the violent force. All of 2567 02:17:59.479 --> 02:18:03.120 it kind of playing into the ending theme of like 2568 02:18:03.239 --> 02:18:08.399 Shala's final little speech that is sort of kind of 2569 02:18:08.440 --> 02:18:13.159 both acceptance and also free will. I guess, for lack 2570 02:18:13.200 --> 02:18:15.680 of a better term, you could probably read this faster 2571 02:18:15.760 --> 02:18:18.760 than I could speak it, or are already familiar I 2572 02:18:18.799 --> 02:18:21.600 could read it. I was just trying to save time. 2573 02:18:21.680 --> 02:18:23.040 You're welcome to read it if I want to. 2574 02:18:23.120 --> 02:18:25.680 Yeah, I'll read it. I'll give you a break here. Okay, 2575 02:18:25.680 --> 02:18:29.440 Shala's ending speech. And this is just like text over 2576 02:18:30.120 --> 02:18:31.239 a black background, isn't it? 2577 02:18:31.280 --> 02:18:33.079 For the most part, it. 2578 02:18:33.000 --> 02:18:35.680 Is over the back over a background of the world 2579 02:18:36.079 --> 02:18:38.440 playing That's while a song that I can't remember the 2580 02:18:38.479 --> 02:18:42.399 name of, but it is very much a you have 2581 02:18:42.440 --> 02:18:45.639 made the right decision. We are rejoining harmony to the 2582 02:18:45.680 --> 02:18:48.479 world kind of ending theme. It's not it's not gallant 2583 02:18:48.520 --> 02:18:51.239 and triumphant. It is it is reverent. 2584 02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:55.040 And peaceful, she says. I have been waiting an eternity 2585 02:18:55.120 --> 02:18:59.360 just for this very moment, meaninglessly hurting one another. The 2586 02:18:59.440 --> 02:19:03.959 disappearing life forms, the words that become deleted, the thoughts 2587 02:19:04.000 --> 02:19:07.799 that become buried, the pool of cells that slowly evaporate, 2588 02:19:08.360 --> 02:19:11.680 the echoes of consciousness that slowly fade. Love to hate, 2589 02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:12.639 hate to love? 2590 02:19:12.959 --> 02:19:15.079 Why are we born? Why do we die? 2591 02:19:15.440 --> 02:19:17.680 Evolution the survival of the fittest. 2592 02:19:18.200 --> 02:19:20.520 What is there to be achieved from harming one another? 2593 02:19:20.959 --> 02:19:21.760 Killing one another? 2594 02:19:22.239 --> 02:19:26.799 The eggs that we all call planets, And the innumerable spermazoa, 2595 02:19:26.959 --> 02:19:32.559 so you say it, spermatozoa close spur tomato which gather 2596 02:19:32.680 --> 02:19:34.000 around these that. 2597 02:19:34.000 --> 02:19:35.239 We call life forms. 2598 02:19:35.600 --> 02:19:39.040 When one of those countless seeds in seminates a planet, 2599 02:19:39.200 --> 02:19:40.760 I did not expect my japid you just say in 2600 02:19:40.760 --> 02:19:43.479 the semin eight, But it did. A new universe is born. 2601 02:19:43.879 --> 02:19:47.159 But until that occurs, hundreds of millions of years will pass, 2602 02:19:47.200 --> 02:19:50.559 and innumerable life forms will be born then die. That 2603 02:19:50.680 --> 02:19:54.000 is the be all and end all. Everything exists

for 2604 02:19:54.079 --> 02:19:57.159 that one moment. Also that the universe can evolve into 2605 02:19:57.159 --> 02:19:59.920 the next dimension. Does that make us all just pawns. 2606 02:20:00.719 --> 02:20:03.360 Are each of our short lives nothing but a cheap 2607 02:20:03.399 --> 02:20:06.879 sacrifice just so the one chosen life. 2608 02:20:06.719 --> 02:20:10.040 Form can be born? No, that is not the case. 2609 02:20:10.440 --> 02:20:13.000 Each and every one of us has a chance of 2610 02:20:13.040 --> 02:20:17.760 becoming that one chosen life form which insiminates a planet. Yes, 2611 02:20:18.239 --> 02:20:21.520 it could be you, genes and environment. Each of us 2612 02:20:21.559 --> 02:20:24.239 tries to do his best under limited conditions which we 2613 02:20:24.280 --> 02:20:26.959 are all dealt. Each life form that attempts to eke 2614 02:20:27.040 --> 02:20:29.719 out a decent life for itself forms a link in 2615 02:20:29.760 --> 02:20:32.879 the golden chain that leads to the creation of a 2616 02:20:32.959 --> 02:20:35.959 new universe. If one link is missing, there will be 2617 02:20:36.000 --> 02:20:39.000 no future. There is no such thing as a useless 2618 02:20:39.040 --> 02:20:42.399 life form, no such thing as upawn. Every single thing 2619 02:20:42.760 --> 02:20:46.760 in the whole of nature is perhaps just dreaming of life. 2620 02:20:46.799 --> 02:20:50.600 All of them are also perhaps nothing more than a 2621 02:20:50.680 --> 02:20:54.360 dream dreamt by a planet before it is born. Oh 2622 02:20:54.959 --> 02:20:58.600 but yes, eventually all dreams will return to zervon the 2623 02:20:58.680 --> 02:21:02.920 Sea of Dreams. Surge, don't go yet, Surge. It's all right, 2624 02:21:03.520 --> 02:21:06.360 Everything is all right now, time, which has been divided, 2625 02:21:06.479 --> 02:21:09.479 will be unified again. Now time for farewells has come. 2626 02:21:10.200 --> 02:21:12.280 You will lose all memory of this whole adventure in 2627 02:21:12.319 --> 02:21:15.079 return to your own time, but this time you will 2628 02:21:15.079 --> 02:21:18.360 be able to live your own life. That's some shit. 2629 02:21:19.239 --> 02:21:22.440 Yeah, this is what I sort of referred to at 2630 02:21:22.440 --> 02:21:25.440 the beginning. I think. I do think it's a bit reductive, 2631 02:21:25.440 --> 02:21:28.239 but I don't think it is unwarranted to look at 2632 02:21:28.239 --> 02:21:32.000 this and say that somebody started with this and said 2633 02:21:32.000 --> 02:21:34.000 this is what I believe, let's put it into a 2634 02:21:34.079 --> 02:21:34.600 video game. 2635 02:21:35.399 --> 02:21:38.079 I totally agree with you. I feel like that's kind 2636 02:21:38.079 --> 02:21:42.639 of that's Kado's MO, and he's not really been involved 2637 02:21:42.639 --> 02:21:45.079 in a ton of games that I've played where he's 2638 02:21:45.120 --> 02:21:45.879 been in charge. 2639 02:21:45.920 --> 02:21:47.799 But like when I did tinker around. 2640 02:21:47.559 --> 02:21:48.920 I think I mentioned this before. When I take it 2641 02:21:48.959 --> 02:21:53.239 around with another eden like this kind of writing is 2642 02:21:53.239 --> 02:21:57.559 all over it. Oh really, Yeah, this kind of wistful 2643 02:21:58.319 --> 02:22:00.239 style I think is all all. 2644 02:22:00.319 --> 02:22:03.799 That game yeah, and again, I mean different people are 2645 02:22:03.799 --> 02:22:05.840 going to have different tolerances for this sort of thing, 2646 02:22:06.399 --> 02:22:08.959 and even you know, your tolerance might very if you're 2647 02:22:09.239 --> 02:22:11.920 just kind of fed up with this world too. I 2648 02:22:12.360 --> 02:22:15.399 became very invested in it, playing like triggering this right 2649 02:22:15.440 --> 02:22:19.360 back to back. Also, I mean not doing any small 2650 02:22:19.399 --> 02:22:23.319 part to playing this through twice. I mean straight up 2651 02:22:23.360 --> 02:22:25.360 that I think had I only played through it once, 2652 02:22:25.360 --> 02:22:26.920 I would have been a little more fed up than 2653 02:22:26.959 --> 02:22:29.799 I ended up being, rather than having some time to 2654 02:22:29.840 --> 02:22:35.920 think on it the ending excluded. I think, you know, folks, 2655 02:22:36.200 --> 02:22:37.799 I mean a lot of folks will say that this 2656 02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:40.799 undoes Chrono Trigger, and they mean a variety of different 2657 02:22:40.799 --> 02:22:43.159 things on that I'm trying to think. I don't want 2658 02:22:43.200 --> 02:22:46.479 to call the person out on, you know, on air, 2659 02:22:46.520 --> 02:22:51.479 but somebody quote tweeted the first thing that I posted 2660 02:22:51.479 --> 02:22:56.760 about Chronocross episode one and said like, oh, yeah, you know, 2661 02:22:56.799 --> 02:23:00.319 we love being told that we're dumb for believing what 2662 02:23:00.360 --> 02:23:02.159 happened in Crono Trigger. And I didn't know what they 2663 02:23:02.239 --> 02:23:05.440 meant at the time, but I don't know. I get 2664 02:23:05.479 --> 02:23:07.959 through this ending and whether or not you think they 2665 02:23:08.040 --> 02:23:09.840 said it as well as they could have a side, 2666 02:23:10.200 --> 02:23:12.719 I think that this is saying the exact opposite. I mean, 2667 02:23:12.959 --> 02:23:15.120 to me, what I'm taking from what they're saying here, 2668 02:23:16.040 --> 02:23:18.760 And I guess we should also say there's a little 2669 02:23:18.799 --> 02:23:22.280 like epilogue with the book. There's like a book cut 2670 02:23:22.319 --> 02:23:25.319 scene if you let the title screen sit like that 2671 02:23:25.399 --> 02:23:27.840 kind of thing. When the game boots up rather and 2672 02:23:27.879 --> 02:23:32.639 it's kid Shala kid Zeal. That's how she signs off, 2673 02:23:33.639 --> 02:23:36.000 essentially saying goodbye to Surge, and she says something to 2674 02:23:36.040 --> 02:23:39.639 the effect of

we'll meet again. I might not know 2675 02:23:39.680 --> 02:23:41.959 it's me and you might not know you're you, but 2676 02:23:42.079 --> 02:23:44.520 in another life will meet again. And all of this together, 2677 02:23:45.200 --> 02:23:49.959 this to me seems to suggest that the theme that 2678 02:23:50.079 --> 02:23:52.559 Kato and his team were trying to get across is 2679 02:23:52.600 --> 02:23:58.879 that fate. If you consider fate from a universal like 2680 02:23:58.920 --> 02:24:03.159 a universe y time wide spanning view, like from antiquity 2681 02:24:03.200 --> 02:24:05.600 to today to the future until the heat death of 2682 02:24:05.600 --> 02:24:11.280 the universe, it can seem overwhelming and impossible and you 2683 02:24:11.319 --> 02:24:14.440 can't change that. You can't change that level of fate, 2684 02:24:15.360 --> 02:24:17.959 and that leads to the sort of nihilistic tendencies like 2685 02:24:18.000 --> 02:24:21.520 this game was suggesting throughout its duration of you know, 2686 02:24:21.559 --> 02:24:24.360 we can't change fate. Just let fate control us. It's 2687 02:24:24.399 --> 02:24:27.959 all you know, why bother Miguel went into that whole 2688 02:24:28.000 --> 02:24:31.399 Miguelancholi over this exact thing. Why not be in a 2689 02:24:31.440 --> 02:24:34.079 timeline that's frozen. You never have to worry about that again. 2690 02:24:34.159 --> 02:24:36.879 You can just stay in this one exact moment, just peaceful. 2691 02:24:37.079 --> 02:24:40.000 But the problem is is that that takes you away 2692 02:24:40.360 --> 02:24:44.280 from your lived experience, from your life. And it seems 2693 02:24:44.319 --> 02:24:46.719 to me that Kanto and his team are suggesting that 2694 02:24:46.719 --> 02:24:49.319 that is the fate that you can change. It's that 2695 02:24:49.440 --> 02:24:52.959 trite thing, you know, the friends that we made along 2696 02:24:52.959 --> 02:24:55.840 the way, that's the important part. And it's trite and 2697 02:24:55.840 --> 02:24:58.440 it's cliche, but it doesn't make it less true. I 2698 02:24:58.440 --> 02:25:01.559 think they're saying, yeah, you, you will slip into nihilism 2699 02:25:01.959 --> 02:25:05.680 if you ponder about how you can't change the universe 2700 02:25:05.760 --> 02:25:10.280 at large, but your fate, your life, you can change, 2701 02:25:10.319 --> 02:25:13.879 and that will affect so much beyond you that it 2702 02:25:13.959 --> 02:25:16.840 is worth taking control over. And I don't think that 2703 02:25:16.959 --> 02:25:19.799 undoes chrono Trigger at all. I think it strengthens it. 2704 02:25:20.120 --> 02:25:23.479 I think it examines the opposition of Chrono Trigger saying 2705 02:25:23.559 --> 02:25:26.559 what if you can't, and then the counter to that 2706 02:25:26.559 --> 02:25:31.200 that Kato lands on is you can't. But that's okay 2707 02:25:31.559 --> 02:25:37.000 because in the ways that matter, you can and end soapbox. 2708 02:25:37.879 --> 02:25:41.040 No, I love the way you said that. I think 2709 02:25:41.079 --> 02:25:45.239 that you're You're right one hundred percent. And I think 2710 02:25:45.520 --> 02:25:50.799 Chrono Cross presents that sort of nihilistic viewpoint through the 2711 02:25:50.799 --> 02:25:54.120 majority of its text, especially up through the Miguel part 2712 02:25:54.200 --> 02:25:56.879 and maybe even further because we're still dealing with all 2713 02:25:56.920 --> 02:25:59.959 these like date based systems up until the very very 2714 02:26:00.120 --> 02:26:03.559 end of the game. You have to you have to 2715 02:26:03.639 --> 02:26:06.639 figure out how to use the goddamn Chrono Cross in 2716 02:26:06.719 --> 02:26:09.239 order to complete the thought exercise that Kato is trying 2717 02:26:09.239 --> 02:26:11.719 to take us on, and that is can be a 2718 02:26:11.760 --> 02:26:15.000 little bit I don't know, frustrating in how that was designed. 2719 02:26:15.239 --> 02:26:16.879 But if you put in the work, or you look 2720 02:26:16.920 --> 02:26:19.239 up these solutions on the internet, just like in real life. 2721 02:26:19.719 --> 02:26:22.479 Then you you can complete the. 2722 02:26:23.280 --> 02:26:25.559 Thought exercise as I just called it a second ago, 2723 02:26:25.959 --> 02:26:31.959 and and maybe maybe dwell with Coddo on these concepts 2724 02:26:32.159 --> 02:26:37.799 and then sort of dwell with him on on this 2725 02:26:37.799 --> 02:26:40.280 this particular worldview. And I think they if you get 2726 02:26:40.280 --> 02:26:41.920 that far, if you do the work, if you put 2727 02:26:41.959 --> 02:26:47.200 the thought into it, then this game can can adequately, 2728 02:26:47.239 --> 02:26:50.319 adequately be like, you know, a bit of a deconstruction 2729 02:26:50.360 --> 02:26:53.920 of Chrono trigger and a bit of a pushback on 2730 02:26:54.079 --> 02:26:56.280 the hopefulness. But then you can kind of get back 2731 02:26:56.280 --> 02:26:56.959 to where. 2732 02:26:57.360 --> 02:26:58.000 Yeah, I might. 2733 02:26:58.040 --> 02:27:01.600 I may not be part of this this I'm not 2734 02:27:01.639 --> 02:27:04.719 the main character of the universe, but I can. I 2735 02:27:04.760 --> 02:27:08.719 can't have an impact in how I approach my life 2736 02:27:08.920 --> 02:27:11.040 and approach others in it. And I think that's what 2737 02:27:11.079 --> 02:27:12.000 he's getting at. 2738 02:27:12.280 --> 02:27:14.799 Yeah, if you want to keep up with the like, 2739 02:27:15.159 --> 02:27:16.799 I think I think you and I both mentioned this. 2740 02:27:16.920 --> 02:27:20.000 I think Eric mentioned it. I think no, the game 2741 02:27:20.040 --> 02:27:25.000 definitely didn't the idea of determinism, like that idea that 2742 02:27:25.040 --> 02:27:27.799 fate controls everything. I mean, the game does it, but 2743 02:27:27.840 --> 02:27:30.399 they don't say that word. But you and I have 2744 02:27:30.559 --> 02:27:32.559 and I think Eric has

too. If you want to 2745 02:27:32.639 --> 02:27:34.680 keep on that, this game is suggesting something like a 2746 02:27:34.680 --> 02:27:40.559 sort of compatibilism, which is believing that you well, it's 2747 02:27:40.639 --> 02:27:43.920 essentially this, I'm believing that you can't that you can't 2748 02:27:43.959 --> 02:27:46.360 change fate, but you can. You have free will in 2749 02:27:46.399 --> 02:27:48.719 all the ways that matter, whether or not you put 2750 02:27:48.719 --> 02:27:50.520 on a pair of shoes A or B, whether or 2751 02:27:50.600 --> 02:27:55.600 not you know, you marry person a or c that 2752 02:27:55.680 --> 02:28:00.360 kind of thing. And I think too, like this game 2753 02:28:00.479 --> 02:28:03.840 necessarily do it in a way, explain all of this 2754 02:28:03.879 --> 02:28:05.520 in a way and lay it out in a way 2755 02:28:05.520 --> 02:28:11.200 that's coherent and in a way that is good writing 2756 02:28:11.360 --> 02:28:14.959 a technique a lot of the times know. But I 2757 02:28:15.000 --> 02:28:18.040 do think it's admirable that they stuck to their guns 2758 02:28:18.879 --> 02:28:21.680 and didn't compromise on anything and turn out something that 2759 02:28:21.719 --> 02:28:26.120 was fundamentally against what their messaging was. The result, don't 2760 02:28:26.159 --> 02:28:30.479 get me wrong. The result is lopsided and lumpy, but 2761 02:28:30.680 --> 02:28:34.920 there's I think there's something admirable there. Oh, speaking of Admiral, 2762 02:28:35.120 --> 02:28:37.120 I want to call this out too. There's some ending 2763 02:28:37.200 --> 02:28:40.760 little scenes. You get a scene of Kid as Shala 2764 02:28:40.879 --> 02:28:45.040 on the beach looking on sort of a nod to 2765 02:28:45.280 --> 02:28:48.639 the idea that life is going to continue. You also 2766 02:28:48.799 --> 02:28:52.680 get this is so cool that they did this. In 2767 02:28:52.719 --> 02:28:57.000 the credits, there is like a thirty second scene of 2768 02:28:57.000 --> 02:29:00.479 like real life people, like a Japanese street, and I 2769 02:29:00.479 --> 02:29:02.399 can't remember if it's black and white or if it's 2770 02:29:02.479 --> 02:29:05.200 just very muted. For some reason, I'm imagining the person 2771 02:29:05.239 --> 02:29:06.879 with blonde hair, but I might just be thinking of 2772 02:29:06.959 --> 02:29:10.159 Kid and their back is to the camera, and it's 2773 02:29:10.200 --> 02:29:13.440 sort of suggesting like this isn't just an ideology in 2774 02:29:13.479 --> 02:29:16.520 a video game, Like we're talking about real life here. 2775 02:29:16.959 --> 02:29:19.319 That's like, this stuff matters. It's not just about like 2776 02:29:19.479 --> 02:29:21.840 you know, the game ends with Lena with Surge waking 2777 02:29:21.920 --> 02:29:24.559 up on the beach and Lina does the whole cliche 2778 02:29:24.600 --> 02:29:29.079 like what Tara Tower, frozen flame, what are you talking about? 2779 02:29:29.120 --> 02:29:31.840 You just passed out getting the Komodos scales. Our summer 2780 02:29:32.040 --> 02:29:35.959 is just starting, which as a kid would have rocked 2781 02:29:36.000 --> 02:29:38.120 my fucking world to see that in the video game. 2782 02:29:39.440 --> 02:29:42.799 But they're putting that real life scene at the very 2783 02:29:42.920 --> 02:29:44.600 end in sort of a way to say like no, 2784 02:29:44.639 --> 02:29:47.799 this Like yeah, it seems very video gaming, but this 2785 02:29:47.920 --> 02:29:51.280 is like, this is life. You can't fall into that nihilism. 2786 02:29:51.719 --> 02:29:55.760 That's death. You have to take control of your life. Otherwise, 2787 02:29:56.040 --> 02:29:59.200 you know, we are going to hurt people, We're gonna 2788 02:29:59.239 --> 02:30:04.440 colonialize people, kill the earth. All the things that Uamatsu 2789 02:30:04.440 --> 02:30:07.079 and Soaka Gucci liked Umatsu, all the things that Soka 2790 02:30:07.079 --> 02:30:09.879 Gucci likes to talk about too. I don't know that's 2791 02:30:09.879 --> 02:30:12.120 how it That's how it rang to me. They take 2792 02:30:12.280 --> 02:30:17.200 so many goddamn risks that at some point you're just thinking, like, 2793 02:30:17.760 --> 02:30:19.959 you shouldn't have done that. Man, you tried so many 2794 02:30:20.000 --> 02:30:23.799 other things, but at the end, it's like you did 2795 02:30:23.840 --> 02:30:26.639 exactly what you wanted to do. I respect it. 2796 02:30:27.520 --> 02:30:31.680 Yeah, it makes me sort of yearn for the days 2797 02:30:31.760 --> 02:30:34.239 of of of risk taking in games like this. I 2798 02:30:34.239 --> 02:30:35.840 know there are a lot of games that take risks 2799 02:30:35.959 --> 02:30:40.200 still today, but coming out of like the Square Inex Corporation, 2800 02:30:40.399 --> 02:30:43.559 that's not really going to happen as cleanly as it 2801 02:30:44.120 --> 02:30:48.520 as it did, particularly in this era with this Tenal 2802 02:30:48.600 --> 02:30:51.760 Gears and several other games, I just felt like they 2803 02:30:51.760 --> 02:30:56.200 were going in directions that were or that were more experimental, 2804 02:30:56.600 --> 02:31:00.000 and maybe it didn't land cleanly, But I think that's 2805 02:31:00.040 --> 02:31:03.719 why we can appreciate them so much more today than 2806 02:31:04.280 --> 02:31:05.280 maybe we could at the time. 2807 02:31:06.120 --> 02:31:08.399 Yeah. Yeah, when folks talk about the golden age of 2808 02:31:08.440 --> 02:31:11.239 JRPGs sort of being around this time, like Chrono trigger 2809 02:31:11.799 --> 02:31:14.159 FF somewhere between f F four and six all the 2810 02:31:14.200 --> 02:31:18.200 way up to what do you call it ten, I 2811 02:31:18.239 --> 02:31:20.319 think that's a big part of it, Like they're taking 2812 02:31:20.360 --> 02:31:23.879 these risks in these games, and yeah, you know, the 2813 02:31:23.959 --> 02:31:26.440 big risks that really pay off, like f F seven

2814 02:31:27.319 --> 02:31:31.040 that also coincide with the technology that's big, and they 2815 02:31:31.079 --> 02:31:33.920 get remembered. But I don't know. Chrono Cross I think 2816 02:31:33.959 --> 02:31:36.559 deserves a seat at that table. I was gonna say, 2817 02:31:36.600 --> 02:31:38.879 if for no other reason than sort of a cautionary tale, 2818 02:31:38.879 --> 02:31:41.200 but that's I don't want to be that derisive towards it. 2819 02:31:41.360 --> 02:31:43.719 I think it's successful in what it tries to do. 2820 02:31:44.319 --> 02:31:51.440 I don't necessarily think it's successful in implementing it. But yeah, 2821 02:31:51.479 --> 02:31:54.120 I don't know. I think I don't want to keep 2822 02:31:54.120 --> 02:31:56.719 going on as a deconstruction of Chrono Trigger as an 2823 02:31:56.760 --> 02:32:00.879 observation of the themes. I really like it, though I 2824 02:32:00.920 --> 02:32:04.319 can acknowledge that it is a it's a mess. I 2825 02:32:04.360 --> 02:32:05.200 think it's great though. 2826 02:32:05.840 --> 02:32:06.920 Gotta love a good mess. 2827 02:32:07.440 --> 02:32:34.000 Bless this mess yep Man, that was a lot. I'm 2828 02:32:34.040 --> 02:32:38.079 sure we missed more than a handful of things. But 2829 02:32:38.559 --> 02:32:41.440 you know, like we've both said, I think this sort 2830 02:32:41.479 --> 02:32:45.040 of lives on in the conversations like any good story 2831 02:32:45.159 --> 02:32:49.000 or symphony or whatever play. It lives in the conversations. 2832 02:32:49.040 --> 02:32:51.879 That's how it keeps it alive. That's how these conversations matter. 2833 02:32:52.920 --> 02:32:56.000 So to that end, if you want to, you can 2834 02:32:56.040 --> 02:32:58.360 always talk to us about this sort of thing at 2835 02:32:58.360 --> 02:33:02.920 the very least in the PPR discord, or you can 2836 02:33:02.959 --> 02:33:06.120 at me on Blue Sky. I don't want to. I 2837 02:33:06.120 --> 02:33:09.280 don't want to suggest out adding Chris. You then might 2838 02:33:09.319 --> 02:33:12.959 get Eric and be forced to talk about retro to 2839 02:33:13.000 --> 02:33:16.239 Sega Dreamcast games. And can you imagine a worse fate? 2840 02:33:16.559 --> 02:33:22.399 I can't not. I just kidding Eric, But now, seriously, 2841 02:33:22.440 --> 02:33:25.120 I would love to keep this conversation going. I know, 2842 02:33:25.520 --> 02:33:29.239 I know I messed a lot of stuff personally, but 2843 02:33:30.239 --> 02:33:33.159 at any rate, I don't think that conversation could keep 2844 02:33:33.159 --> 02:33:35.360 going without this taking place. And I don't think I 2845 02:33:35.399 --> 02:33:38.000 could have asked a better fella to talk to you 2846 02:33:38.040 --> 02:33:41.520 about it. Thank you, Thank you, Chris. This was Thank 2847 02:33:41.559 --> 02:33:44.680 you for so much of your time. This was so fun. 2848 02:33:45.360 --> 02:33:46.879 Yeah, thank you so much for having me on. 2849 02:33:47.159 --> 02:33:50.840 As I mentioned in one of the previous episodes, I 2850 02:33:50.959 --> 02:33:53.479 for some reason, this game has been has been bubbling 2851 02:33:53.520 --> 02:33:55.840 back up in my in my psyche for the past 2852 02:33:55.879 --> 02:34:00.040 few few months, or maybe even for a year, and 2853 02:34:00.120 --> 02:34:02.200 I'm glad to be able to get all this back out. 2854 02:34:02.520 --> 02:34:07.159 And you know, as we learned, even though six years 2855 02:34:07.200 --> 02:34:09.239 ago I said that I'd never wanted to talk about 2856 02:34:09.280 --> 02:34:14.159 Miguel again, I do appreciate the opportunity to talk about 2857 02:34:14.319 --> 02:34:18.440 Miguel with you, because you know, my fate was not 2858 02:34:18.520 --> 02:34:21.040 predetermined to never talk about Miguel again. I will talk 2859 02:34:21.079 --> 02:34:25.360 about Miguel once again. Maybe not in the next year, 2860 02:34:25.440 --> 02:34:28.639 but once again I will discuss Miguel, and I appreciate 2861 02:34:28.680 --> 02:34:29.600 the opportunity to do so. 2862 02:34:29.719 --> 02:34:30.000 Thank you. 2863 02:34:30.600 --> 02:34:32.639 There's a small part of me that was like, is 2864 02:34:32.719 --> 02:34:34.559 Chris kinna think this is a little mean to like 2865 02:34:34.639 --> 02:34:36.319 call him out like this? And I was like, it's 2866 02:34:36.360 --> 02:34:41.319 not money, not too I love it so incredible. This 2867 02:34:41.479 --> 02:34:44.920 was great Top five PS one JRPG for me. Mess 2868 02:34:44.959 --> 02:34:49.360 and all. It is messy, but I love it. Thank 2869 02:34:49.399 --> 02:34:52.399 you again, Chris, Chris, you talked. We both mentioned a 2870 02:34:52.440 --> 02:34:56.840 little something something. We mentioned Mega Man. We mentioned Mega Man, 2871 02:34:56.920 --> 02:35:00.120 We mentioned Skys of Arcadia. You mentioned it's been in 2872 02:35:00.639 --> 02:35:04.000 a hot minute, So fill us in, what are you 2873 02:35:04.040 --> 02:35:06.399 talking about with those games right now? 2874 02:35:06.440 --> 02:35:09.639 Over at Retrograde A Media We are about to by 2875 02:35:09.680 --> 02:35:13.520 the time this comes out, probably pretty close to starting 2876 02:35:13.559 --> 02:35:18.799 our ninth season on Skies of Arcadia, which I neither 2877 02:35:18.840 --> 02:35:20.479 one of us have played. So we were on a 2878 02:35:20.479 --> 02:35:22.399 streak of games that neither one of us have played, 2879 02:35:22.479 --> 02:35:26.239 and the back to back Sega after finishing Fantasy Star 2880 02:35:26.280 --> 02:35:29.799 four recently, so check that out. In our Patreon, we 2881 02:35:29.840 --> 02:35:34.200 are covering Mega Man Legends, which I did not know 2882 02:35:34.600 --> 02:35:42.079 was even remotely adjacent to the JRPG, but it is 2883 02:35:42.319 --> 02:35:45.440 indeed pretty close. Does share a lot of DNA with 2884 02:35:45.520 --> 02:35:48.760 the JRPG, although we are still not calling it. 2885

02:35:48.840 --> 02:35:50.079 A Japanese role playing game. 2886 02:35:50.120 --> 02:35:54.040 We are calling it a Japanese robot person game until 2887 02:35:54.040 --> 02:35:56.520 we can finally answer whether or not it is truly 2888 02:35:56.559 --> 02:35:58.959 a j RPG. But nonetheless, it is a very very 2889 02:35:58.959 --> 02:36:01.760 interesting game that shares a lot of DNA with with 2890 02:36:01.959 --> 02:36:05.159 games that I love, like, how does Mega Man Legends 2891 02:36:05.159 --> 02:36:10.600 compare or contrast or inspire Metal Gear Solid. 2892 02:36:10.680 --> 02:36:12.639 We'll find out a Patreon dot com slash retro. 2893 02:36:12.719 --> 02:36:15.840 I am, I didn't reveal Skys of Arcadia. That is 2894 02:36:15.840 --> 02:36:16.399 that public? 2895 02:36:18.239 --> 02:36:20.920 I don't know, Maybe it is now? 2896 02:36:20.959 --> 02:36:23.200 Sorry, no, no, I don't know. 2897 02:36:23.239 --> 02:36:27.079 I don't remember what episode we announced that on, and 2898 02:36:27.159 --> 02:36:29.479 as we speak, we've only got about four or five 2899 02:36:29.520 --> 02:36:32.879 episodes of Fantasy Star to release, so it's probably out 2900 02:36:32.879 --> 02:36:33.440 there by now. 2901 02:36:33.520 --> 02:36:35.120 So I'm I'm I'm happy to share. 2902 02:36:34.920 --> 02:36:39.319 That, Okay, as long as you're sure, yes, I think 2903 02:36:39.360 --> 02:36:40.959 you should all check it out. It's very good. The 2904 02:36:40.959 --> 02:36:44.840 Fantasy Star season was a lot of fun. I have 2905 02:36:44.959 --> 02:36:48.159 never played any Fantasy Star, but it was fun listening 2906 02:36:48.200 --> 02:36:53.600 to listening and hearing all about that himbo. I can't 2907 02:36:53.600 --> 02:36:55.719 remember his name. Chazz, is it Chazz? 2908 02:36:56.079 --> 02:36:59.719 It is, indeed, Chazz. What a great protagonist. He constantly 2909 02:36:59.760 --> 02:37:01.879 com on the fact that he has no idea what's 2910 02:37:01.920 --> 02:37:04.200 going on, and I love it. Perhaps we could have 2911 02:37:04.200 --> 02:37:07.079 gotten more out of that of Serves so that we 2912 02:37:07.120 --> 02:37:09.719 could commiserate with the idea that we have no idea 2913 02:37:09.760 --> 02:37:11.479 what's going on in Cronal Cross until we get to the. 2914 02:37:11.559 --> 02:37:13.799 End, until we get to the end. Okay, so you're 2915 02:37:13.840 --> 02:37:16.680 ahead of me, so good good. I did pick the 2916 02:37:16.719 --> 02:37:19.959 right person. Yeah, you can check that out. All of 2917 02:37:19.959 --> 02:37:21.639 that will be right where you think it is in 2918 02:37:21.680 --> 02:37:24.399 the episode description, all those links. You can find him there, 2919 02:37:24.840 --> 02:37:27.079 check out retrograde Amnesia. You can find him on Blue 2920 02:37:27.079 --> 02:37:30.079 Sky on You're not on Instagram, are you? 2921 02:37:30.719 --> 02:37:33.600 We have an Instagram account, but it's not really been 2922 02:37:34.200 --> 02:37:34.719 used yet. 2923 02:37:34.760 --> 02:37:38.360 So no, okay, fair enough Blue Sky at the very 2924 02:37:38.440 --> 02:37:42.639 least that's where that's where they're posting. And the Patrion. 2925 02:37:42.719 --> 02:37:45.639 Of course, you can find that there same for our 2926 02:37:45.719 --> 02:37:49.239 stuff too. You know that, though if you're here, you've 2927 02:37:49.280 --> 02:37:52.760 already heard the other two and we're approaching three hours, 2928 02:37:53.239 --> 02:37:56.399 so I think with that, one final round of thank 2929 02:37:56.440 --> 02:38:01.239 yous to everybody, to listeners, to Chris, to Chronocross's team. Sure, 2930 02:38:01.280 --> 02:38:04.959 why not? Everybody? Thank you. This has been so much fun, 2931 02:38:05.600 --> 02:38:09.680 loved it, and until next time, check out retrogred Amnesia, 2932 02:38:09.879 --> 02:38:14.040 check out the rest of our catalog, check out both patreons, 2933 02:38:14.200 --> 02:38:19.200 and give us one hundred dollars each. Yes, and that's it, 2934 02:38:19.840 --> 02:38:22.239 all right. This has been a blast, Thanks so much. 2935 02:38:22.680 --> 02:38:23.440 Talk to you next time. 2936 02:39:04.920 --> 02:39:05.239 Wol