Full Transcript for The Finish Line by Kate Stewart, The Frenchman Gets Outplayed, Pt 2

this guy that he's 40 00:03:08,490 --> 00:03:12,290 basically working for to go back to Triple Falls. When he 41 00:03:12,290 --> 00:03:15,900 hears of all the that's been afoot, what's his. Celia, Sean and 42 00:03:15,900 --> 00:03:19,660 Dom. And in doing so, he pisses 43 00:03:19,660 --> 00:03:23,420 off this guy. This guy wants Tobias back. He wants to buy 44 00:03:23,420 --> 00:03:26,980 us to basically stay under his thumb. And Tobias, sort of his 45 00:03:26,980 --> 00:03:29,740 perspective on the whole thing is like, you've never really had me under your thumb. 46 00:03:29,740 --> 00:03:32,900 I was sort of just doing this because you served a purpose. And now I'm 47 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:36,140 done with that. Right. So there's this struggle of how is Tobias going to actually 48 00:03:36,140 --> 00:03:39,300 free himself from this other character? 49 00:03:40,270 --> 00:03:43,950 And he has been keeping it a secret from Cecilia because 50 00:03:44,750 --> 00:03:47,710 just like before in my point of view, where he 51 00:03:48,270 --> 00:03:51,950 loses control when Cecilia is brought into the Ravenhood by Sean and Dom, 52 00:03:52,350 --> 00:03:55,950 he loses control again, where he's lost the ability 53 00:03:56,030 --> 00:03:59,790 to keep Cecilia safe. Because this 54 00:03:59,790 --> 00:04:02,910 guy's gonna come to Virginia. He sends, like, 55 00:04:03,710 --> 00:04:07,040 I don't know, spy hitman, if you will, to 56 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,840 find Tobias, the weirdo at the. At the diner who's like, can you go on 57 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,520 a date with me? No. So he had 58 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,320 two guys then. So he had Mr. 59 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,080 There was like, some French guy outside that Tobias ends up like, 60 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,120 following. Beats the. Out of this guy, takes his phone, and then Tobias is responding 61 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,920 to this big hitman guy from this. Oh, yeah, the guy who's watching him. 62 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,850 Yeah. So Tobias. He identifies this one dude outside 63 00:04:34,330 --> 00:04:37,050 as being a part of it, beats the shad out of him, grabs his phone, 64 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:40,810 and now Tobias is responding to the hit guy as if he's this other 65 00:04:40,810 --> 00:04:44,650 dude. Right? But what Tobias doesn't see is who Cecilia 66 00:04:44,650 --> 00:04:48,450 had seen from day one, which was like, there's this handsome 67 00:04:48,450 --> 00:04:51,890 guy. He kind of looks like he's out of place. He shows up randomly at 68 00:04:51,890 --> 00:04:55,650 my diner. Yeah, he's there, like, every day for a week, two 69 00:04:55,650 --> 00:04:59,170 weeks, however many weeks. And this is like, at the very beginning of the book, 70 00:04:59,170 --> 00:05:03,010 like, chapter one, like, oh, maybe I'll go out on a date with this guy. 71 00:05:03,010 --> 00:05:05,530 But then I really don't want to go out on a date with anybody. But. 72 00:05:05,930 --> 00:05:09,690 But fuckle nuts there. What's his name? Tobias. To 73 00:05:09,690 --> 00:05:13,050 step back. Tobias finds, like, a to do list, if you will, of Cecilia's, 74 00:05:13,290 --> 00:05:16,730 like, when he's first into Virginia, trying to work his way into her life. 75 00:05:17,370 --> 00:05:20,850 And on the very last thing at the end of that list says, entertain Mr. 76 00:05:20,850 --> 00:05:24,330 Handsome. And so Tobias immediately jealous, like, who the fuck is Mr. Handsome? 77 00:05:24,890 --> 00:05:28,420 At one point in the book, before they have sex, Dom is sitting 78 00:05:28,420 --> 00:05:30,940 at. In the diner and sees Mr. Handsome 79 00:05:32,620 --> 00:05:36,420 Girl. No, but it's. It's hard though, isn't it? You just want 80 00:05:36,420 --> 00:05:40,220 it to be Dom so bad, and you'll take time, Tobias. But 81 00:05:40,460 --> 00:05:44,220 I mean, whatever. Thank you, Toby. Yes, I did that 82 00:05:44,220 --> 00:05:47,660 last recording too. I kept saying dong. I was like, how many edits of this? 83 00:05:48,620 --> 00:05:52,460 I need to just record myself saying Tobias and then put it on top of. 84 00:05:53,180 --> 00:05:56,700 Anyhow, you need. No, no, 85 00:05:56,860 --> 00:06:00,580 you need to record yourself saying Tobias in your sexy phone 86 00:06:00,580 --> 00:06:03,500 voice. Tobias. 87 00:06:04,380 --> 00:06:08,060 And then put that in at every time. And then 88 00:06:08,060 --> 00:06:11,580 everybody knows. Exactly, exactly. 89 00:06:11,980 --> 00:06:15,780 Just do it. Make it a thing, and 90 00:06:15,780 --> 00:06:19,580 then keep it. And then anytime you make a mistake, you could just. Tobias 91 00:06:20,090 --> 00:06:23,610 and everything going forward. We all know we're all on that page. 92 00:06:23,690 --> 00:06:27,530 Yeah. But I loved. I loved that you find out later on that 93 00:06:27,530 --> 00:06:31,170 Cecilia had identified this guy as problematic from the 94 00:06:31,170 --> 00:06:34,610 first time. I think she maybe saw him twice and was like, nah, I need 95 00:06:34,610 --> 00:06:37,250 to know what's up with this guy. Like, who's this handsome guy showing up in 96 00:06:37,250 --> 00:06:40,850 town, eating at my diner, trying to get with me? So 97 00:06:40,850 --> 00:06:43,530 Cecilia does her own investigation of this character. 98 00:06:44,250 --> 00:06:48,090 Tobias never really clocks it, other than there's some guy who wants to 99 00:06:48,090 --> 00:06:51,730 be with my girl. He. He doesn't even put it all 100 00:06:51,730 --> 00:06:55,570 together until the very end, that Mr. Which is when we put it together 101 00:06:55,570 --> 00:06:59,410 too. 100%. Yeah. It's at the last couple of chapters of 102 00:06:59,410 --> 00:07:03,170 the book because we're like, oh. Because it's that dual pov. 103 00:07:03,170 --> 00:07:06,410 We are watching this story from Tobias's 104 00:07:06,410 --> 00:07:10,210 perspective. There you go. So, like, the other 105 00:07:10,210 -->

00:07:12,690 thing we found out in the book, about halfway through, 106 00:07:13,890 --> 00:07:17,360 I think it was either before the sex scene or after it. 107 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,280 But how Tobias knew the. The new president 108 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,600 and how they were going to the White House, and that's how things 109 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,960 started to kind of come together for me. Oh, yeah, because they went to college 110 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,560 together. Yes, yes. In the book, Tobias, earlier 111 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,360 on. I like that we're doing, like, before the sex or after the sex. Before 112 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,440 this. Yes. 113 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,200 You saw the tip versus you took the tip. No, I'm just kidding. So 114 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,430 Tobias and his. He's, 115 00:07:48,430 --> 00:07:51,630 like, sharing parts of his past with us. 116 00:07:55,150 --> 00:07:58,270 We need to have a counter. How many times in an episode we can break 117 00:07:58,430 --> 00:07:59,630 G. Yeah. 118 00:08:02,030 --> 00:08:05,470 In his. In his past that he shares with us as a reader. 119 00:08:05,630 --> 00:08:08,910 He talks about being in college in France. And 120 00:08:09,790 --> 00:08:12,030 I don't know if he just met him or if this guy's his roommate. I 121 00:08:12,030 --> 00:08:15,550 don't remember. No, he's the rich kid. He's the rich kid that 122 00:08:15,630 --> 00:08:18,110 kind of takes him under his wing or whatever. Well, 123 00:08:19,230 --> 00:08:22,790 doesn't, like, hand him down stuff, but, like, somehow always has what pious 124 00:08:22,790 --> 00:08:26,630 needs. They go out. I think it's like their last hurrah as college kids 125 00:08:26,630 --> 00:08:30,470 to a strip club. They have their fun after the 126 00:08:30,470 --> 00:08:34,310 strip club. This guy almost gets schmurdered, basically, like, almost gets 127 00:08:34,310 --> 00:08:38,110 killed. And Tobias takes care of 128 00:08:38,110 --> 00:08:41,940 the situation. Right. And so they're always indebted to each other. Right. 129 00:08:42,340 --> 00:08:45,820 Fast forward to where G is talking about is that this guy is now the 130 00:08:45,820 --> 00:08:49,420 President of the United States. And Tobias has. This 131 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:52,780 really has had A relationship with this guy this entire time. And in 132 00:08:52,780 --> 00:08:56,300 Tobias's mind, you know, if this mobster from France comes, my plan 133 00:08:56,300 --> 00:09:00,140 B is to go to the president for help, right? Like, I'm going to go 134 00:09:00,140 --> 00:09:03,620 to my friend, I'm going to call in that favor. But his plan A, 135 00:09:04,180 --> 00:09:07,460 at least I think, was always that this guy will never come. 136 00:09:07,890 --> 00:09:11,730 Like, it wasn't really to address it. He'll just never know, right? Like, it 137 00:09:11,730 --> 00:09:14,970 was like, plan A, keep the secret. Plan B, let's go to the President for 138 00:09:14,970 --> 00:09:18,130 help. Seemed to be the game plan for. 139 00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:22,370 Oh, you know what else kind of tipped it off, too, is that 140 00:09:22,930 --> 00:09:26,290 Cecilia was watching the President on TV when she was in the 141 00:09:26,290 --> 00:09:29,890 cafe, and she saw Tyler and she got 142 00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:33,810 really, like, she got a little choke. Yeah, that 143 00:09:33,810 --> 00:09:37,530 was her bestie. And she got a little choked up. So then, 144 00:09:37,610 --> 00:09:40,850 like, when I saw that, because now, you know, all the books are starting to 145 00:09:40,850 --> 00:09:44,490 bleed together now, I was able to start tying things together, 146 00:09:44,730 --> 00:09:48,490 right? Because I would go back and read Exodus. Like, 147 00:09:48,490 --> 00:09:52,210 I'd go find that chapter again and read it, and then I'd 148 00:09:52,210 --> 00:09:55,370 fast forward back to the finish line. I'd be like, ah, 149 00:09:56,090 --> 00:09:59,810 now it makes sense. Dang. Next time we read a book 150 00:09:59,810 --> 00:10:02,880 like this, series like this, wink, wink, 151 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:07,440 I need you. When you find a point in a book 152 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,120 that you're like, I'm gonna go back and read that chapter in another book, 153 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,680 I need you to write that down. Okay, I'll put it in our Google 154 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:18,480 spreadsheet. Yeah, because I did not. Did you? 155 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,680 No, I was looking for the sex. This ain't going backwards. 156 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,920 Yes, exactly. G doesn't need to think with their dick. 157 00:10:28,150 --> 00:10:31,910 I need to think with my dick. Follow my penis. If I do 158 00:10:31,910 --> 00:10:33,830 need to, I'm gonna. She follows the tip. 159 00:10:38,550 --> 00:10:42,390 I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Please don't be sorry. 160 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:46,150 This is amazing. No more fucking gin 161 00:10:46,150 --> 00:10:49,790 for you, ever. I like it. No, I will be sending a 162 00:10:49,790 --> 00:10:53,110 bottle of gin. Juniper berries. 163 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaking of juniper berries, got her lotion, 164 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,960 though. Yes. Okay. I loved it. 165 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,720 Although at the end, she's like, no, I've been wearing this since I was, like, 166 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,440 in high school. I was like, no, I love. So Tobias loves gin. 167 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,600 Cecilia's favorite scent is juniper berries. Tobias clocks 168 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,120 it some point during this book is like, this brilliant queen 169 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,200 is smelling like my addiction so well. And the thing is, 170 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,840 too, is that she. Because I was just reading the 171 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,360 words, chapter 27. She lotions 172 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,080 up and the nightgown from 173

00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,760 that he got her, like, a million years ago that she keeps. 174 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,680 Yep. Yeah. I smell like what you want, and 175 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:42,960 I look like what you want. And he says, say some eye contact. 176 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:49,060 Oh, he sees. I just put that in my mouth. He sees, 177 00:11:49,060 --> 00:11:52,780 smells and tastes. Yeah. Oh, he did. Yes, 178 00:11:52,780 --> 00:11:56,340 he did. He got all three senses all taken care of. 179 00:11:57,140 --> 00:12:00,580 Not five senses. Feel. Oh, 180 00:12:00,740 --> 00:12:04,460 there's. Well, I got three of them. Here's. Oh, he 181 00:12:04,460 --> 00:12:07,860 did. Hear, smell, taste, taste. See 182 00:12:08,580 --> 00:12:12,340 here. Oh, yeah. He. He. Yeah, he got all five. You do 183 00:12:12,340 --> 00:12:13,940 all five. He found her. 184 00:12:16,070 --> 00:12:19,670 Sorry, G. No, but I think that's amazing that you were able to put that 185 00:12:19,750 --> 00:12:22,950 together, because I did not. I read it, like, okay, cool. When's the next. 186 00:12:24,870 --> 00:12:28,550 I was like, cool. You know, the president. Great. Moving on. Like, I didn't 187 00:12:28,550 --> 00:12:32,390 hide it at all, but 188 00:12:34,150 --> 00:12:37,990 I love that she clocked that from day one. What 189 00:12:37,990 --> 00:12:41,110 we find out at the end is that not only did she clock it, she 190 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:44,340 researches this guy from. Figures out who he is, 191 00:12:44,820 --> 00:12:48,540 why he's there, and then seeks the help. Because, if y' all remember, she 192 00:12:48,540 --> 00:12:52,180 got branded as part of the Ravenhood. She is now part of the Raven. She 193 00:12:52,180 --> 00:12:55,780 gets to play in the resources. Yeah. 100. And I think she 194 00:12:55,780 --> 00:12:59,420 goes to Sean, right? Yep. Yep, she goes to Sean. She's. 195 00:12:59,420 --> 00:13:02,420 I'm calling in what I need to do here, because this guy 196 00:13:03,540 --> 00:13:07,300 is this person. She finds out. Who is it? Antoine is 197 00:13:07,300 --> 00:13:10,980 the mobster dude from France, I think is his name. Finds out all 198 00:13:10,980 --> 00:13:14,820 about that guy. To knows how it ties into Tobias. So Cecilia has 199 00:13:14,820 --> 00:13:18,140 been planning this shit for a long time, 200 00:13:18,460 --> 00:13:22,140 and Tobias showing up was just, like, a bonus, really. Like, 201 00:13:22,140 --> 00:13:25,820 you know, they. She loved. She's always loved him. They're back in love. 202 00:13:26,379 --> 00:13:30,060 Do we. Okay, do we think that she started clocking Antoine 203 00:13:30,140 --> 00:13:33,980 before finish line. Yes. Oh, yeah. That's 204 00:13:33,980 --> 00:13:36,780 a good question. No, it had to have been when this guy showed up at 205 00:13:36,780 --> 00:13:40,340 the diner, because that's what started it. She was like, who's this guy and what's 206 00:13:40,340 --> 00:13:43,980 he about? It felt like at the beginning that she was actually 207 00:13:43,980 --> 00:13:47,700 considering, like, going on a date. And that's why he was 208 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:50,860 on the list. Right. So it had to have been after 209 00:13:53,339 --> 00:13:57,020 that. Okay. That particular Mr. Handsome guy was creepy because 210 00:13:57,100 --> 00:14:00,740 at first she was like, oh, okay, you're kind of cute. It'd be all 211 00:14:00,740 --> 00:14:03,660 right for just a second. But wait a minute. I'm still in love with dick 212 00:14:03,660 --> 00:14:07,340 face over here, so. But okay, so I'm trying to figure 213 00:14:07,340 --> 00:14:10,600 out, was that before or after 214 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:14,520 Tobias killed Mr. Handsome's 215 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,080 dad? I hadn't been 216 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,840 after. Yeah, okay. 217 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,800 Because that's why he started showing up Past. Yeah, that was a. 218 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,640 That was a. A rewind on that one. Okay. 219 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,950 Yeah, but that's what. But that's why he's coming at him to your 220 00:14:33,950 --> 00:14:36,750 point. He's like, okay, I'll do it. Like, oh, you need help getting rid of 221 00:14:36,750 --> 00:14:40,390 this guy? Sign me up, because this guy fucked over my family. Yeah, but. 222 00:14:40,390 --> 00:14:44,230 But I love that she had already started clocking 223 00:14:44,230 --> 00:14:47,310 that, because I think her mission in that moment, 224 00:14:48,270 --> 00:14:51,750 once she started unraveling, I think. I think Cecilia always has wanted to know what 225 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:55,230 has been troubling Tobias. Right. So I think. I don't think it, 226 00:14:55,550 --> 00:14:59,350 like, she was shying away from it, because, again, 227 00:14:59,350 --> 00:15:02,590 we end up finding out towards the end of the book that once Cecilia starts 228 00:15:02,590 --> 00:15:06,400 putting all the pieces together in real time was when her parents showed 229 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,240 up in the camper. Yeah. And she was already in a bad mood, 230 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,120 and Tobias couldn't figure it out. He just thought it was because the mom was 231 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,520 there. But Cecilia was in a bad mood because she knew then what the secret 232 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,359 was, and she was pissed that after you're trying to work your way into my 233 00:15:20,359 --> 00:15:24,200 life, you still have this huge, massive secret. And I think Cecilia is 234 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,920 like, if you would just tell me, let me help you. And Tobias 235 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,160 never saw, I think, honestly, her capable of. 236 00:15:31,710 --> 00:15:35,470 Of helping him until she forces her way in there. 237 00:15:35,630 --> 00:15:38,670 Yeah. And she was. She. At the end of the book, man, she was a 238 00:15:38,830 --> 00:15:42,030 badass, total mic drop moment. 239 00:15:42,590 --> 00:15:46,430

Hell, yes. That, to me, was attractive. I was like, this said, 240 00:15:46,430 --> 00:15:49,710 let me figure this out. Let me call in some 241 00:15:49,710 --> 00:15:53,470 favors. I am gonna 242 00:15:53,470 --> 00:15:57,230 handle this. I wish. Honestly, though, if Kate Stewart 243 00:15:57,230 --> 00:16:00,990 ever hears this, I wish we could just get, like, a little mini chapter 244 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,760 of what happens when, okay, 245 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,440 Tobias shows up after kind of putting the 246 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,920 pieces together. There's a brawl in the front yard with Mr. 247 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,600 Handsome when Tobias gets in the house, because he's like, holy 248 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,400 Cecilia. She's not okay. She's like, if they've killed her, I'm ending 249 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,640 the world. Right? Like, he's freaking out. He gets in the house and he sees 250 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,490 Cecilia. A gun, she's armed, a 251 00:16:27,490 --> 00:16:31,210 man who had been shot. And then this Antoine character, right? Like, 252 00:16:31,210 --> 00:16:34,290 I just want a mini chapter. I want to know what happened, right? Like, Cecilia's 253 00:16:34,290 --> 00:16:37,890 in there. She clearly shot a guy. She just got out of the shower. She's 254 00:16:37,890 --> 00:16:41,490 not afraid. Like, how did that. How did it happen? What happened? 255 00:16:42,370 --> 00:16:45,650 See? Okay, I feel like 256 00:16:46,130 --> 00:16:49,970 homegirl knew a lot more than what she let. 257 00:16:50,050 --> 00:16:52,530 Like, a fuckload more 258 00:16:54,030 --> 00:16:57,790 than what she let on for, like, the longest time. I think she's pissed 259 00:16:57,790 --> 00:17:01,590 at Tobias because she knows all this and she's just waiting 260 00:17:01,590 --> 00:17:04,670 for him. I think from like the beginning of the book, she knows. 261 00:17:06,190 --> 00:17:09,950 I feel like in those months that she was gone, I feel like 262 00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:13,070 she did some research. She did her homework, 263 00:17:13,790 --> 00:17:14,990 right? And like 264 00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:20,990 she knew before he even stepped foot in that diner 265 00:17:22,829 --> 00:17:26,429 about Antoine or whatever his name is, the gangster. 266 00:17:27,389 --> 00:17:30,589 I feel like she knew all that in this whole time. She's like, no, you 267 00:17:32,669 --> 00:17:36,269 not gonna tell me? Not gonna tell me. Really? Still not gonna tell me? 268 00:17:36,269 --> 00:17:39,989 Really? Yeah, yeah. She might not have known about Mr. 269 00:17:39,989 --> 00:17:43,629 Handsome specifically, but I absolutely believe that 270 00:17:43,789 --> 00:17:47,429 she knew way more. And I think that's 271 00:17:47,429 --> 00:17:50,580 why. I also believe that's why we get all of 272 00:17:51,460 --> 00:17:55,140 Tobias first. Because she's busy. 273 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:58,740 This is busy. She's out researching. They're not a hundred. 274 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:03,260 That's what I'm saying. Kate Stewart, you are a 275 00:18:03,260 --> 00:18:05,860 goddess. That's a valid point because 276 00:18:07,140 --> 00:18:10,820 you're so right. You're so right. Because we don't get 277 00:18:10,820 --> 00:18:14,060 to see what she's up to, because we are. Can I just tell you how 278 00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:17,300 turned I on I am right now? Because you just said I was right like 279 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:20,900 multiple times in the row. I might as well have just had an emotional or. 280 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:24,040 Yeah. Oh, my life. I'm gonna need that on repeat 281 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,600 for my prior times. It. It's such. Oh, God damn. 282 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,760 God damn. You're so. I think. I think she's just 283 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,520 waiting for him. Like, she knows she's gonna do the thing. She knows she's 284 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,960 going back, but she needs him to know that 285 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,120 you ain't gonna play with me no more. Because I am not some 19 year 286 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:46,800 old little. That you're gonna. Yeah. Do dumb to 287 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,080 me. What's tickling my brain, Nacho, is. 288 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,280 Is. Do you think she doesn't 289 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,200 show her cards sooner? Because she's still planning it out. 290 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:03,720 Because it definitely. She doesn't show her cards until literally he's 291 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,880 about to be shot. And she's the one calming him. Like, 292 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:10,760 hey, remember the fireflies? And she's like talking in code. 293 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,530 She's like you. We've never been alone. Like, she's. She's having to 294 00:19:14,530 --> 00:19:17,970 communicate to Tobias in this moment. Like, calm the down, bro. Because 295 00:19:17,970 --> 00:19:20,010 Tobias trigger warning. 296 00:19:21,610 --> 00:19:25,210 Essentially realizes he's right. He 297 00:19:25,210 --> 00:19:28,250 thinks he is the one with all the cards in his hand and that he's 298 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:31,850 protecting Cecilia. And so he realizes he's fudged there. 299 00:19:32,010 --> 00:19:35,850 She's either going to shoot off around and get killed or 300 00:19:35,850 --> 00:19:38,530 there or I'm going to try to do something. They're Going to kill me. Like 301 00:19:38,530 --> 00:19:42,010 one of us is going to die. How do I save this? And decides he's 302 00:19:42,010 --> 00:19:45,850 going to take his own life. That's his mind. Like, well, if I'm 303 00:19:45,850 --> 00:19:49,610 gone, then they won't want her because I'm the prize. This 304 00:19:49,610 --> 00:19:53,250 Antoine guy wants me back in. In France. So if I just take 305 00:19:53,250 --> 00:19:57,090 myself out, she'll be okay. Completely unhinged. And so Cecilia is 306 00:19:57,090 --> 00:20:00,810 having to talk him off that ledge in code so that 307

00:20:00,810 --> 00:20:04,570 this gangster. Because there's guns. I imagine that Spider man meme where they're 308 00:20:04,570 --> 00:20:08,330 pointing at each other. Like there's guns pointed at everyone. Right? Yeah. 309 00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:11,890 Yeah. And so she is trying to calm him down to say, dude, 310 00:20:11,890 --> 00:20:14,650 don't do anything stupid. I got. 311 00:20:15,730 --> 00:20:19,490 And so she uses fireflies, which has been their thing. There's fireflies. 312 00:20:19,490 --> 00:20:23,210 We've never been alone. Open your eyes. And at that moment, 313 00:20:23,210 --> 00:20:26,570 Tobias looks over at Mr. I don't remember if it's Mr. Handsome. It's 314 00:20:26,570 --> 00:20:30,290 somebody who has lasers pointed everywhere. Yes. 315 00:20:30,290 --> 00:20:34,090 And that's when Tyler. Because they did call in a little 316 00:20:34,090 --> 00:20:37,770 favor from the President and Tyler sent all the FBI 317 00:20:37,770 --> 00:20:41,570 dudes down and there were lasers all like pointed 318 00:20:41,570 --> 00:20:45,150 at the bad dudes. So let's actually. Can we talk about that? Do you 319 00:20:45,150 --> 00:20:48,830 think that Tyler showed up because Tobias 320 00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:52,630 called in the favor? Right. Okay. I'm 321 00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:55,910 happy. No, because he's. He wasn't going to get there in time if when 322 00:20:55,910 --> 00:20:59,189 Tobias called, he wasn't gonna get there. He was already on his 323 00:20:59,670 --> 00:21:03,070 way. Sean calling into 324 00:21:03,070 --> 00:21:06,750 Tyler. Yes, that's how it happened. The way it happened. Okay, I'm. I'm 325 00:21:06,750 --> 00:21:09,120 fully on board. They. That Tyler 326 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,800 and Cecilia have always been tight like a tiger. Yeah. 327 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,320 And tight like Sean and Cecilia were right. As 328 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,080 up as the storyline was and how, you know. Yeah. Not really 329 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,880 taking advantage of a 19 year old, but sort of kind of taking advantage of 330 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,720 a 19 year old. But, you know, as we get to that third 331 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,570 book, this is where Cecilia finally grew up. Right. It 332 00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:39,210 was several years later. She. She knew what she 333 00:21:39,210 --> 00:21:41,850 wanted and she knew she wanted to bias, 334 00:21:42,730 --> 00:21:46,330 but she wasn't sure how to get it. And when 335 00:21:46,330 --> 00:21:50,170 she finally had him in her court, it's my 336 00:21:50,170 --> 00:21:53,610 way or no way, and I'm going to protect your ass 337 00:21:53,690 --> 00:21:57,450 because they, they really, you know, they're actually 338 00:21:57,530 --> 00:22:01,090 that whole like, fucking push me, pull me action. Really actually 339 00:22:01,090 --> 00:22:04,700 pull them closer together because that, that whole sex scene, like, 340 00:22:05,660 --> 00:22:08,700 did it for me. Told you. I think 341 00:22:10,140 --> 00:22:13,900 part of me thinks that Cecilia, Cecilia even 342 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:17,380 goes through this much trouble because she feels like this is the One thing in 343 00:22:17,380 --> 00:22:20,860 their way of happiness is whatever secret, secret. 344 00:22:24,220 --> 00:22:27,900 When I start slurring my words, secret. We're 345 00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:28,780 gathered here. 346 00:22:34,290 --> 00:22:34,690 Sorry, 347 00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:41,330 God bless. God bless. 348 00:22:42,290 --> 00:22:46,090 But I think that's what it was, is like her driving force is like, 349 00:22:46,090 --> 00:22:49,930 whatever's. Whatever's in our way, I'm going to rectify it 350 00:22:49,930 --> 00:22:53,610 because I want my man. And so she does. She goes into 351 00:22:53,610 --> 00:22:55,970 this planning. She's the one that saves them. 352 00:22:59,180 --> 00:23:02,980 And I loved it. I. I loved that she did it. 353 00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:06,820 And she didn't need his input or his help. She was like, 354 00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:10,500 I got this. And I don't remember what part it 355 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:14,180 was. Where at the end, she tells Tobias, 356 00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:17,820 like, you almost this up. Like you almost up this plan. 357 00:23:18,220 --> 00:23:21,980 Because I don't remember if he got mad or like, whatever happened 358 00:23:22,450 --> 00:23:25,490 that. She was like, we. This almost didn't happen because you wouldn't. 359 00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:29,770 You wouldn't leave well enough alone. So she had 360 00:23:29,770 --> 00:23:33,490 this in motion for a minute and I loved that. I was like, God damn 361 00:23:33,490 --> 00:23:37,130 it, boss ass bitch. I think she had like a structure, like 362 00:23:37,130 --> 00:23:40,690 a. Like a 363 00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:44,530 big picture, and that it was 364 00:23:44,530 --> 00:23:48,290 put in place in between Exodus and 365 00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:50,290 finish line, and then 366 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,840 it just sort of unraveled and it kind of happened that 367 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,680 way. And I think that's. I really believe that that's why we have so much 368 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,400 Tobias also, because there 369 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,240 was way more development on Tobias part, like 370 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,040 character development on Tyler's part or Tobias part. 371 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,280 And she not drinking. I'm not. 372 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,370 But yeah, there's just like so 373 00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:23,090 much more. Yeah, so 374 00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:26,890 many more layers. So much more character development on behalf 375 00:24:26,890 --> 00:24:29,570 of Tobias in this book that I was. 376 00:24:33,810 --> 00:24:36,530 Disappointed because I like my 377 00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:41,050 fantasy men to be impenetrable. Like, I'm just a 378 00:24:41,050 --> 00:24:44,660 cold, miserable, hard ass bastard.

And you're my one sweet 379 00:24:44,660 --> 00:24:48,300 spot. You're my one piece of sunshine that I get to keep. Whether 380 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:52,140 it's, you know, under my thumb or whatever that looks 381 00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:55,860 like for whatever book you're reading. But I like 382 00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:59,580 my problematic men in my books. Did it force you. Did 383 00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:03,260 it force you to see him in a human way? Like, I was. 384 00:25:03,260 --> 00:25:05,580 I was really upset about it because I. 385 00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:12,230 I didn't want to know that much about him. I found myself, 386 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:16,030 like, skimming some of the chapters or some of the pages 387 00:25:16,030 --> 00:25:19,790 or whatever that I was like, God, more about the childhood, 388 00:25:19,790 --> 00:25:22,710 more about the. It was until. It was until 389 00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:27,149 the. The scene with the 390 00:25:27,149 --> 00:25:30,390 mom in the car and the sick Dom, the baby Dom, 391 00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:34,270 that I was like, oh, I've been missing some pieces. So then I went back 392 00:25:34,270 --> 00:25:38,110 and I reread the beginning of every Chapter and all 393 00:25:38,110 --> 00:25:41,320 those little memories, and I was like, oh. 394 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,600 And then I saw these, like. Like, actually problematic 395 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,600 things. Yeah. With the character. Like, 396 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,960 I mean, some. Some depend. Some dependencies. 397 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,320 Right. Yeah. Like, a lot of alcohol to 398 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,960 numb the pain. Deal with a lot of things. 399 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,610 Yeah. Yeah. It just made him really human 400 00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:13,690 for me. This leads to some of the questions I had for you both 401 00:26:15,210 --> 00:26:18,890 in and around Tobias. Do you think Tobias was worth the 402 00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:19,930 wait for Cecilia? 403 00:26:22,890 --> 00:26:26,730 Yes. Because I think if you just read through all the three 404 00:26:26,730 --> 00:26:30,570 books, you could tell that they really loved each other and 405 00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:34,300 that, you know, love is hard. You know, it doesn't 406 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:38,060 come. Come, you know, in a nice package wrapped in a 407 00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:41,700 bow, like you had to work for it. And so I think. 408 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:44,100 Yes. That they were. They were meant to be together. 409 00:26:46,580 --> 00:26:50,260 I don't know. Okay. 410 00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:53,220 I don't know. I think, like, 411 00:26:54,260 --> 00:26:57,940 irl. Absolutely not. But for the book's sake and 412 00:26:57,940 --> 00:27:01,460 for the storyline and for all the things. One million percent. Thank you, 413 00:27:01,610 --> 00:27:04,890 fantasy. A billion percent. There's no way. 414 00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:06,090 There's no. 415 00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:12,330 No way I would live through that and still be like, yeah, 416 00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:14,970 let's. Let's be in love. No, you, dude. 417 00:27:16,330 --> 00:27:19,290 And it was great and all, but still. You don't get to treat me like 418 00:27:19,290 --> 00:27:23,010 that when we're not. Yeah. Do you? My next 419 00:27:23,010 --> 00:27:26,250 question is. Kind of. Might be. I don't know if I'm gonna word this right. 420 00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:29,690 Do you think a lot of what he puts himself through or, like, 421 00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:33,540 when I. When I say that, I mean, like, he sees himself as, 422 00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:37,260 like, the father figure? Yeah. Do you think that 423 00:27:37,260 --> 00:27:40,500 that's him being selfish or selfless? 424 00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:46,180 Like, does he. Do you think he needs to be that character because 425 00:27:47,620 --> 00:27:51,060 he's so insecure? Or do you think he really is putting himself on the line 426 00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:54,740 to protect everybody else? At the beginning of the book, I would have said 427 00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:59,230 that it was selfless. And when 428 00:27:59,470 --> 00:28:03,070 I started, like, middle, I guess, of the book, I was, like, 429 00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:06,590 insecure. I think insecure is, like, a really 430 00:28:07,390 --> 00:28:11,070 appropriate way. A really appropriate word for 431 00:28:11,070 --> 00:28:14,910 that is. Yeah. I saw him as insecure, 432 00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:18,550 as unable to, like. Well, because he's going through all these 433 00:28:18,550 --> 00:28:21,550 changes, trying to implement all these changes in his life anyways. 434 00:28:24,010 --> 00:28:27,850 But, yeah, I think at first he just doesn't. I 435 00:28:27,850 --> 00:28:31,530 think he just does it because it needs to be done. Yeah. 436 00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:35,930 That's how I see it. So I actually have a question. 437 00:28:36,170 --> 00:28:39,890 One question for you, Dirty Skittles. And one for you, Nacho. So, 438 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:43,730 Dirty Skittles. At what point do you feel that Tobias stopped 439 00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:47,370 being romantically tortured and started needing real 440 00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:51,240 Consequences. Did he. Did he actually earn 441 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,880 Cecilia back? Or did Kate Stewart just make us emotionally 442 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,160 vulnerable enough to forgive him? Oh, 443 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,720 that's fucking brutal. 444 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:04,960 I think 445 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,000 I. Okay, this might be more of a reflection of me than 446 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,840 anything else. That's what this whole podcast is, baby. Let it go. 447 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,300 I think, think that he did earn her back. 448 00:29:20,020 --> 00:29:23,540 Here's why he did things 449 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:26,100 that were so fish out of water 450 00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:30,820 to make

her happy. I think a 451 00:29:31,220 --> 00:29:34,900 side effect or a consequence of that was he learned about himself, 452 00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:38,980 but he would have never willingly, I think, done any of that 453 00:29:40,020 --> 00:29:43,540 on his own. I think he does it because he wants to be with her 454 00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:47,370 to. And as, like, Hallmark movie as it was when 455 00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:50,970 they were, like, bobbing for apples, when they were celebrating 456 00:29:50,970 --> 00:29:53,170 holidays together, the two of them, 457 00:29:55,170 --> 00:29:58,850 he wanted those memories with her, and 458 00:29:59,729 --> 00:30:03,090 he wouldn't have done that on his own. He ain't gonna make a snowman, just 459 00:30:03,090 --> 00:30:06,290 Tobias solo doo outside, you know what I mean? Like, 460 00:30:06,770 --> 00:30:10,330 and it meant so much to her that I think, little 461 00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:14,330 like that he was willing to do it. So I think 462 00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:17,690 he earned her back. Okay, I see. I like that. 463 00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:18,890 Okay, Nacho, 464 00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:25,650 I'm afraid, did Cecilia. Okay. Did Cecilia 465 00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:29,290 finally standing up for herself make the romance hotter for you? 466 00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:32,890 Or were you more invested in the Tobias emotional damage 467 00:30:33,290 --> 00:30:34,490 redemption to her? 468 00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:43,540 Okay, 469 00:30:47,380 --> 00:30:49,460 I like. I liked a lot of both of it. 470 00:30:51,059 --> 00:30:54,900 Did that come out right? No, I don't think that was the 471 00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:58,100 right words. Hold on. I. Okay, I. 472 00:31:01,470 --> 00:31:05,310 I liked watching in my brain. It's watching, right? So I read it and 473 00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:08,830 then I see it in my brain, right? So there's a whole, like, screenplay happening 474 00:31:08,830 --> 00:31:12,670 in my brain. I enjoyed reading and watching 475 00:31:13,550 --> 00:31:16,909 the dumpster fire that 476 00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:20,990 Tobias was willing to be 477 00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:27,630 to satisfy or attempt to satisfy 478 00:31:27,790 --> 00:31:29,390 the. The boundaries that 479 00:31:32,030 --> 00:31:35,870 that Cecilia had set for herself. 480 00:31:37,790 --> 00:31:39,710 I liked both sides of it. 481 00:31:42,190 --> 00:31:45,870 Do I enjoy watching people grovel? 482 00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:49,390 No. Do I enjoy watching people 483 00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:52,670 or knowing, reading, whatever. People 484 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,000 willing to make themselves vulnerable for the ones that they love. 485 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,720 God, yes. God, yes. I think more 486 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,200 people should be vulnerable and be willing to say dumb 487 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,440 shit and be willing to, like, be wrong. 488 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,280 And I think in the same 489 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,000 vein, it's important 490 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,380 for not just women, but anybody who, 491 00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:30,340 If you're. Okay, so if your best friend is telling you, or your 492 00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:33,260 sister, your brother, 493 00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:37,260 cousin, whoever's, your. Your person, your whatever 494 00:32:37,980 --> 00:32:41,020 is telling you you're being taken advantage of, 495 00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:45,660 or your brain or your heart is telling you you're being taken advantage of, 496 00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:51,670 I think it's important and hot for you to be like, 497 00:32:51,670 --> 00:32:55,030 okay, I don't want to be. And taken Advantage of. 498 00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:59,230 What does that look like for me? What boundaries can I put? So it's all. 499 00:32:59,230 --> 00:33:02,309 I mean, it's all sexy to me, but you can't tell me 500 00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:04,870 an emotional roller coaster of feelings 501 00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:11,310 isn't hot. Yeah. Especially when it 502 00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:14,730 keeps me reading through that many pages in a book. A series of books. 503 00:33:15,770 --> 00:33:19,330 It was a long book. But I will say, for me, like, the hottest thing 504 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:23,050 in the book is not, you know, broding. Tobias. 505 00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:26,930 It was Cecilia filing saying, you know what? You 506 00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:30,770 don't get access to me without accountability. And, you know, for me, 507 00:33:30,770 --> 00:33:34,250 it's all about accountability. And the older I get, it's about 508 00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:38,050 accountability. Like, you know what? You've kicked me over in 509 00:33:38,050 --> 00:33:41,690 the past. Unless you're willing to, like, show me the fuck that you've 510 00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:45,470 grown up, you don't get to touch this. Yeah. And 511 00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:49,230 so, I mean, that. It was a. It was a good reminder for me, but 512 00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:52,990 I'm in a stable relationship, too, so. Yeah, but that doesn't mean that 513 00:33:52,990 --> 00:33:55,270 it can't apply to, like, other relationships. 514 00:33:56,470 --> 00:34:00,150 True. In your life. Right. Because we 515 00:34:00,310 --> 00:34:03,990 all have at least one person in our life that 516 00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:07,990 refuses to be honest. 517 00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:11,980 Well, okay. I imagine in my brain that we all have 518 00:34:11,980 --> 00:34:15,660 at least a person in our life that wants to be close to us, 519 00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:19,220 but refuses to respect boundaries and 520 00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:21,940 refuses to be honest and refuses 521 00:34:23,140 --> 00:34:26,420 for what they perceive to be great, 522 00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:31,060 solid ideas and. And 523 00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:34,020 feelings. Right. Like, not to say that they're not 524 00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:38,430 valid, but if that's a boundary that you 525

00:34:38,430 --> 00:34:41,510 set for yourself, not just in a physical or 526 00:34:42,390 --> 00:34:45,990 romantic relationship, but in any relationship. 527 00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:52,110 Sorry, I got really. I'm awake now. Can 528 00:34:52,110 --> 00:34:55,950 you tell? I have a question for both 529 00:34:55,950 --> 00:34:59,670 of you. Who. Who do you think sacrifice the most 530 00:34:59,670 --> 00:35:03,250 out of these three series, out of the entire trilogy, which character 531 00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:05,490 sacrificed the most? Dom. 532 00:35:06,850 --> 00:35:10,490 His actual life. Yeah. Dom. His actual 533 00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:14,250 life. His actual brother. His. The love 534 00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:17,330 of his life. He 535 00:35:19,330 --> 00:35:22,450 sacrificed everything for the Raven Hood. He 536 00:35:22,450 --> 00:35:25,890 sacrificed happiness 537 00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:29,550 in many, many levels. 538 00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:32,350 Right. He knew he wasn't going to last till. Live till 30, 539 00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:35,070 so. Right. Like, he. 540 00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:42,630 Did all these things knowing that I don't know that. 541 00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:46,430 Dom. Dom's the one. Dom's the answer for me, G. Yeah. Do 542 00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:49,870 you agree? I agree. Yeah. Because, you know, Dom 543 00:35:50,350 --> 00:35:53,920 kind of brings it all together, but, like. And 544 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,760 he. He's the kind of guy 545 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,240 I would have hung around with if I was. 546 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,800 If I was that much into guys, which I'm not. So it's 547 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,440 okay. I would 548 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,040 agree. My. My last question is, 549 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,200 in this book, the finish line having finished it, is there 550 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,580 anything you didn't get closure on the characters or the story. 551 00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:24,940 No, there were so many pro. Like, the. The chapters, the 552 00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:28,620 ending. There were so many chapters afterwards, I was 553 00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:32,100 just like, there's only so much happiness I can handle. It was great. 554 00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:36,460 But, like, at that point, I was like, are still on an emotional 555 00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:40,300 overlook. I was still feeling my feelings, but it was great. Like, there 556 00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:43,700 was a lot of happy ending. And I like a happy ending. I 557 00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:47,860 call me old fashion, call me pretentious, whatever. 558 00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:51,060 I don't care. Call me whatever you want. I like a happy ending. I like 559 00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:54,660 a nice, neat little bow. Everybody lived happily 560 00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:58,500 ever after. Yeah, I loved it because at the 561 00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:02,220 end of the book, love. Love actually did win. And, you know, 562 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:06,060 just looking at it from, like, my, you know, my 563 00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:09,580 standpoint as a lesbian, you know, whenever, 564 00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:13,580 like, couples can get together and actually marry, and I 565 00:37:13,580 --> 00:37:17,180 don't care, you know, what gender you are at the end, love 566 00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:20,900 wins. And to me, that. That made my heart sing. So, 567 00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:25,860 okay, what about you? Yeah. Yeah, 568 00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:29,780 I think so. I think. I think so. 569 00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:33,700 I definitely got closure on the characters. The only thing I 570 00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:37,220 wish I could remember better was. 571 00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:39,460 I know at one point the topic of 572 00:37:40,580 --> 00:37:44,340 Tobias being afraid that he would suffer the same 573 00:37:44,340 --> 00:37:47,900 illness as his dad. I don't remember us 574 00:37:48,860 --> 00:37:51,500 finding closure there. Yeah. I don't remember 575 00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:56,380 whether or not we know. Yeah. Because didn't his dad. 576 00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:59,940 His dad had schizophrenia? Like, I remember there's a conversation where 577 00:37:59,940 --> 00:38:03,580 Cecilia is reassuring him like, no, you don't have it. But I don't remember. 578 00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,620 I just remember him still kind of fearing that that 579 00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:11,340 would be something he would battle. How many. How many chapters at the end of 580 00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:15,000 the book do you have in. Because you read 581 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,840 the paper, right? I think it's just the. 582 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,160 Because there's a bonus chapter. Yeah, there was a bonus chapter 583 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,000 with Sean. Or is there something else? 584 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,880 Hold on. In this book, there is a chapter 585 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:36,560 with Sean. Let me go past this. 586 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,120 Yep. Two years later, Sean. My phone buzzes again on the nightstand. I 587 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,750 silence it to sit stretching my neck. Yeah, no, I don't have anything 588 00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:47,310 after Sean's prologue or 589 00:38:47,310 --> 00:38:50,950 epilogue or whatever the it's called. Yeah, well, I have 590 00:38:51,590 --> 00:38:55,190 bonus chapter Tobias. Oh, is that on my 591 00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:58,990 arms? Is that compelling my arms? Yep. Against the incoming wave, I tunnel through 592 00:38:58,990 --> 00:39:02,830 the and emerge. I turn in time to watch it roll towards the shore toward 593 00:39:02,830 --> 00:39:06,590 where my life now begins and ends. Just ahead sits a mansion perched 594 00:39:06,590 --> 00:39:09,570 on a cliff rock, which was once 595 00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:14,090 a time capsule, a home that was once a destination but 596 00:39:14,090 --> 00:39:17,850 is now a dream realized. Turning back towards the sea, I measured

against 597 00:39:17,850 --> 00:39:20,770 the Clear blue summer sky. Knowing the relentlessness, 598 00:39:21,330 --> 00:39:25,130 Restlessness is not quite exhausted for me. Yeah, it goes, it 599 00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:28,970 goes on for. Yeah. Is that where it ends with him talking to 600 00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:32,530 Dom and he's like, I'm tired, Dom. And he, like, has the 601 00:39:32,530 --> 00:39:33,890 car in the ocean or some. 602 00:39:37,890 --> 00:39:41,250 That's how it ends for me, at least in the book is Tobias, you know, 603 00:39:41,250 --> 00:39:44,290 at some point, Tobias tells Cecilia throughout the birth control, I want to be a 604 00:39:44,290 --> 00:39:48,050 dad. Then he, like, goes to say his final farewells to Dom at the 605 00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:51,170 beach. He's got, like, a toy car in his hand. He kneels by the water, 606 00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:54,890 and he's just talking to his brother. And he basically is like, I'm 607 00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:57,730 tired, Dom, so help me watch over us, okay? 608 00:39:58,850 --> 00:40:02,070 And then he says, we did it, brother. And that's Tobias's last line. 609 00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:07,110 And so I'm like, I hope he's okay. I'm scrolling right now. I, 610 00:40:07,110 --> 00:40:10,790 I, I will tell you, this book, like, on the emotional damage 611 00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:14,550 rating was a five out of five for me. Yeah, Yeah, I agree. 612 00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:18,590 I'm still fucking mourning Dom's loss. It like, me 613 00:40:18,590 --> 00:40:21,670 up. I won't read. Side note, listeners, there is 614 00:40:22,070 --> 00:40:24,470 what, what Kate Stewart calls the Raven Hood 615 00:40:25,350 --> 00:40:29,080 universe or something like that. And there is a book 616 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,720 written from Dom's POV called One 617 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,520 Last Rainy Day or something like that. Might have to check me on that. But 618 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,360 I will not read it. Yeah, because I'm so emotionally, like, 619 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,360 I can't. No, I can't. And like, and then, like, my 620 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,000 final, like, spice rating is 4 out of 5. Not for the sex scenes, 621 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,640 but because Cecilia, being a woman, finally 622 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,460 brought agency into the room. Right. She finally stood up 623 00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:59,900 for herself. She grew a set of balls. And 624 00:41:00,220 --> 00:41:03,580 for me, when women do that, when they, when they 625 00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:07,540 are tired, you know, being driven by narcissistic and 626 00:41:07,540 --> 00:41:11,220 misogynistic men, she grew a set of balls. And for 627 00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:14,220 me, when any woman can do that, good for you. 628 00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:18,380 Yeah. This for me was a two. This is like a halo without the angel 629 00:41:18,380 --> 00:41:22,110 wings. It was sweet, it was sexy, but it was 630 00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:25,950 more focused on love and less about three ways on a lake. Yes. 631 00:41:28,270 --> 00:41:31,550 Yeah, I'm gonna stick with my PG, PG 13 rating. 632 00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:35,790 Yeah. Isn't even a 13. Yeah, yeah, 13 633 00:41:35,950 --> 00:41:39,790 probably because you'd have to really be as a, a little bit older to get 634 00:41:39,790 --> 00:41:43,630 some of the. I'm 635 00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:46,030 sorry, no more, 636 00:41:47,550 --> 00:41:51,310 no more gin for you. No, we won't be sending gin to the house. 637 00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:56,630 You are feral and I'm here for it. Yeah. 638 00:41:57,270 --> 00:42:00,750 How long are you going to be there for? Can we just have Total Wine 639 00:42:00,750 --> 00:42:04,150 send you a. Like, a whole case. Sponsorship. 640 00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:06,550 This episode is sponsored by gin. 641 00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:10,150 Gin and herbal tea 642 00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:16,470 and smart water. Yes. This 643 00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:20,310 was. This was so much fun. Ladies, I'm looking forward to the next 644 00:42:20,860 --> 00:42:23,500 book series that we're going to read. Should we get. And 645 00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:27,660 yes. Spoiler. Come on, tell us. All right, 646 00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:31,540 the next series we are going to dive into and 647 00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:35,100 dissect is A Court of thorns and Roses, 648 00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:38,980 Season 2. Go all the way. All the way, 649 00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:42,820 baby. All the way. We're getting deep in that 650 00:42:42,820 --> 00:42:46,140 fairy smut. Yes, bitch. 651 00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:52,080 Do it again. Damn, 652 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:52,360 man.