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probably getting so much flack at school about it. There's also an oral sex reference in there that they've put on a billboard to promote the album. So I mean, I'm sure a lot of men have those sorts of lyrics and everyone's like thinking of their children. It's fine. I just need to keep remembering that all of her audience is now late 30s. It just seems like she's still away from the squeaky clean Disney girl. That's why it's just funny. Well, it actually seems like she's had some control over the lyrics and she's been working with her husband, Matthew Cormer, and I really love her husband because he's her biggest hype girl. Yeah, he seems to be in awe of her, which I completely understand. She has three more shows coming up. The next is over the weekend in Toronto. and then in Brooklyn and LA in the next couple of weeks coming up. So we should be seeing a lot more Hilary content over our TikTok feeds, which I'm a huge fan of. I want to start a petition to get Hilary Duff on the podcast. Oh my God, wouldn't that be absolutely incredible? Because we have met her back in the day when we were 17. I think I barely managed to utter a word to her. Hopefully now I might be able to string a sentence together. Let us know if you want us to share the photo. It is pretty embarrassing. 00:03:59 Speaker 2: No way. 00:04:00 Speaker 1: No, I'm putting it out there. I'm putting it out there. Actually, if listeners rally behind us to get Hilary Duff on the show, we'll get a new photo and put the other one next to it. Yeah, start sliding into her DM saying you have to go on the Outspoken podcast. 00:04:13 Speaker 3: It was pear-shaped before. 00:04:15 Speaker 1: The worst kept secret of 2026 is out. Matt Zukowski has made his way into the I'm a Celeb jungle off the back of his high-profile divorce from Tammy Hembrough. The podcaster didn't wait long to drop his famous ex's name, using his time in the spotlight to share his side of the story. Now, Soph, it's clear that Network 10 sees Matt as a drawcard for viewers. Yeah, they know that young people are going to tune in in the hope of Matt airing his side of this divorce because up until now, both parties have remained pretty tight-lipped. So there is still a lot of intrigue around what actually went down. And the producers ended up leaving Matt and fellow contestant Cyclone Cyrel as the final celebrity reveals. And Matt did not hold back in his teaser clip, painting a very unflattering depiction of his marriage to Tammy Hembrough straight off the bat. Let's take a listen to what he said. 00:05:08 Speaker 3: I would be lying if I said I wasn't nervous about going in there, but I just got out of a pretty scary marriage, so how scary can this actually be? 00:05:17 Speaker 1: The fact he said scary marriage and said that I got out of... That is putting all the blame on Tammy. I think he was very deliberate in his use of the word scary as well. And if I was Tammy, I would be getting very nervous about what he is actually going to reveal on the show because when celebrities get asked to go on the show, and I do use the term celebrities quite loosely because I don't know a lot of these contestants, but usually they are invited on because They give them an opportunity to reshape a narrative that's been built about them or to share a personal story that they've never told before. And in this case, when Tammy and Matt's divorce broke, a lot of Matt's friends were sliding into influencer watchdog accounts, including our own page and shopping around some quite troubling stories about why the couple broke up. And for legal reasons, as we've mentioned before, we aren't going to share Matt's friends' claims, but It seems like Matt is appearing on the show to tell his side of the divorce and to change the public's perception of him. And by using the word scary, there's almost like a threat there that there's a scary situation involved. The thing is, though, Channel 10 wouldn't be able to air the claims that Matt's friends were sliding into our DMs with. But I suppose that's probably why they allowed the word scary, because it paints a picture without actually saying that much. And I think like he has done on his podcast, he will continue speaking in riddles about the relationship, which is probably how Channel 10 can get around it because the state that the network is in, they can't afford to be sued by Tammy Hembrough. It's interesting off the bat that Channel 10 have been referring to him as the reality bad boy, because I know he was on Love Island and he was a bit of a wanker, but I thought that maybe they would have sold it to him as like, this is your big chance to change the way people perceive you. But labelling him as a bad boy, he wouldn't be keen on that. Yeah, but they're providing him a redemption arc by initially referring to him as a bad boy. So they're giving him the opportunity to change the public's opinion on the show. Well, it's pretty funny because on the show, they actually often have a little super that comes up with the contestant's name and who they are essentially under it because everyone's clueless. And during the second episode he was on, it said reality hunk. So they've already changed the narrative there. Well, it's interesting because you know, the narrative about Matt throughout his relationship with Tammy is that he was a bit of a dirty dog and he was talking to other girls behind her back. Is that going to be the next super that pops up, Matt? Dirty dog. But the thing is, it sounds like from all reports that both parties played a pretty big role in this turbulent relationship coming to an end. I think that he is going to have a bit of a redemption arc because months ago, friend of the podcast, Amber from Influencer Updates, She shared a rumor that Matt would be appearing on the show and the anonymous user said that they actually overheard Matt talking at a pub about the show and how he made it into the finale. To me, this indicates

that the show is going to paint him in a favorable way and he's been able to win over his fellow contestants. Well, we saw a similar thing with Sky Wheatley. So she went onto the show as a bit of a controversial influencer with a string of scandals behind her, but the public loved her. Her fellow contestants loved her and she ended up winning the show. It's going to be interesting because It's the first time since COVID that this show has been pre-recorded. So we're only finding out now when the episodes drop how the public are actually going to start perceiving him. According to Women's Day, this season was actually recorded in November and production wrapped before Christmas. So a production insider told the publication, it's a bubble. Phones are gone, they're under strict contracts and they're surrounded by a crew that can swell to several hundreds of people when you include camera operators, medics and security. The insider also said that the pre-recorded format allows 10 to work on the episodes more, adding that the extra time has paid off. What does that mean? Massaging the storylines and obviously creating redemption arcs and, you know, telling the story that they want, essentially. Does this mean if they get a panicked call from the Hembros being like, we're going to fucking sue you if you say anything, they're like, shit, we can edit this out. We can edit it. Probably. Also, do you think it's a chance to play on how the public perceive the contestants? So maybe they're looking at social media reactions and going, oh, we need to put more of this person on because the public are loving them. There's also been a lot of confusion about how the winner is going to be selected because it is by a public vote. And this insider revealed that it is still Australia who chooses the winner, saying that multiple endings have been pre-recorded, which will then match up with whoever the public vote for. How awkward would that be having to pretend that you won? 00:09:50 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:09:51 Speaker 1: Doing the reaction. We That happens every year with MasterChef so the winner doesn't get leaked. That kind of ruins it a little bit. I think we really need to get into the episodes. aired on Tuesday night. A listener suggested that we should have had a watch party for it. And I really liked that idea, but I thought it would be best if we saved our thoughts for now. I would have loved to have done a Gogglebox style reaction to this. We've joked in the past that we should create our own YouTube show called Vlogglebox where we watch vlogs, but I'm excited to talk to you guys now about it at least. I mean, what were your thoughts on Matt? How do you think he came across initially? Well, it seemed like the whole first episode was really centered around Matt and it seemed like all of the contestants had been told to ask him a lot of questions. So contestant Nath Valvo, who is a comedian from the Cheap Seats, was talking about how his life tip is to marry someone who is the complete opposite of you. And this was the perfect segue for Matt to drop that he had an ex-wife. And the conversation quickly turned to children. And Nath asked if Matt wanted a family or kids someday. And he replied very nonchalantly saying, I can't have kids, I shoot blanks, which I shouldn't laugh because it's actually so brave of him to open up about his fertility. But just the way he said it, just off the bat, oh my buddy, I shoot blanks. Like, See, I actually thought he was quite uncomfortable about it. He kind of wriggled around nervously as he said it. I mean, I know he shared it publicly on his podcast before, but this is a whole new level of audience that he is opening himself up to. I almost got the vibe that he almost expected everyone there to already know that about him. As in, you know, how do you not know this about me already? I'm a pretty big deal. Well, Denny Hines clearly had no clue who he was and she was amazing. She did the Lord's work because she fired all these hard hitting questions at him. So She said to Matt that he can always try IVF if he wants to have a baby one day. And this is when Matt dropped Tammy's name. Let's take a listen. 00:11:41 Speaker 2: So my ex-wife, we did like- Ex-wife, excuse me. 00:11:43 Speaker 1: Would you like to rewind on that one? 00:11:45 Speaker 2: So I mean, like we were trying to like, we were figuring it out. Like we had a call on that. 00:11:51 Speaker 1: When I heard this, I was like, oh my gosh, is he dropping a bomb that they were trying for a child? But then I remembered that when Tammy appeared on his podcast ahead of their wedding, she They touched on the fact that they would like to have a child of their own and they were open to investigating every avenue. Well, he also spoke about it on his controversial inherited interview. And it's pretty interesting because that episode dropped in May, but Matt revealed on I'm a Celeb that the couple actually were only married for three months. So potentially he and Tammy were broken up when he recorded that interview. Well, it's interesting because during this segment on I'm a Celeb, he did say, oh, well, publicly it was seven months. that we were married, but in reality, it was only three months. And it was quite funny because Barry Williams, who played Greg Brady in the Brady Bunch, joked that by Hollywood standards, that was quite good to reach three months. I love how there was a bit of confusion around who Tammy Hembrough was and people had to explain. And then Mia Favola was like, nah, I'm all across that. She went and told the camera that she hasn't got a clue a lot of the time the actors and movies from the 90s that a lot of the cast were referencing, but she's like, this, I know. It was clear that Denny Hines had absolutely no idea who Tammy Hembrough was as well. And when she got Matt alone, she asked him to tell her more about this three-month marriage, admitting that she was very intrigued. Do you think the

producers told her to ask more questions? Because you know, it was coming from this person that didn't really know much about him, didn't know who Tammy Hembrough was. It all seemed quite innocent. Oh, 100%. They would have been in her ear saying, hey, could you ask him X, Y, and Z? It was pretty funny because she was like, how did this relationship even start? Like, I got the feeling that she seemed to think that Matt was being scammed on the internet or something because he said, oh yeah, I slid into her DMs. And then I asked if she wanted to attend my podcast live show. And Denny was like, oh, so did you know her before you messaged her on Instagram? And Matt was like, oh no. To be fair, there's a lot of catfish pretending to be Tammy Hembrough. I mean, Tammy Hembrough has referenced them in a podcast interview with Jade Tunchi saying that she's well aware. that this man is getting scammed. Yeah, and they all keep commenting on our posts now. I saw someone, one of the listeners commenting, like, mate, this is the wrong post. Like, this isn't Tammy. Maybe Denny has heard of these scams before because she was like, and what made you think that you were going to have a relationship with someone that you met off the internet? And he was like, oh, Denny, that's sort of how relationships start these days. I mean, has she been living under a rock? Has she never heard of dating apps before? Yeah. Well, she ended up asking him what happened during the marriage for things to end so abruptly. Let's take a listen to what they said. 00:14:24 Speaker 3: It was pear-shaped before. 00:14:26 Speaker 2: I was very much convinced that things would get better once we were married and things would change and it actually got a lot worse. 00:14:37 Speaker 1: It's interesting because from what he says, it seems like he believes that he is the victim in this relationship and he was sort of just going along for the ride and Almost as if, you know, he was this young, impressionable guy that was being misled by this powerful, rich influencer. Well, he's almost alluding that there was bad behavior on Tammy's end and she did a lot of convincing that I won't behave in that way. Once we're married, it's all going to change. I mean, it's very against what came out publicly and what he addressed on his podcast when there was that whole Grand Prix cheating scandal. I mean, I think it's almost worse when you're talking riddles because then people are you know, paint up all these different scenarios that might not be true. But maybe, as you said, he has to talk in riddles because, you know, the rumours that they've been shopping around, you could hardly go on national TV and start saying those as facts. 00:15:25 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:15:25 Speaker 1: It was pretty funny because Denny told Matt that he needs to stop thinking with his dick and start thinking with his head and asked him if he wanted to get married one day. And he said, yeah, I think so. Matt then told the diary room camera this. 00:15:39 Speaker 2: I did love my ex-wife and I did do it out of hope that we could work on things and make it work. I gave it my all to try to make that work. I definitely did. I lost a lot of myself in that relationship. 00:15:54 Speaker 1: I saw this hilarious TikTok that was saying, did you really try and give it your all? I mean, your marriage lasted for three months. I don't think there was much effort going in. I mean, I was the researcher behind our five-part Tammy Hembrough series. And to be fair to Matt, it seems like a lot of the drama went on before the wedding. It wasn't just like, oh, they were so happy before the wedding and suddenly it all crumbled. I mean, clearly they shouldn't have gotten married, but they did. He said it was pear-shaped before the wedding. It's a bit like Olivia Rogers' short marriage to Justin McKean. It almost felt like that wedding went ahead because of the pressure from social media. And I wonder if it was the same with Tammy and Matt. There were probably heaps of times where they could have called it off, but they would have been really embarrassed. Well, it's also because they wanted to prove their family wrong. It was sort of like, we'll show them. Now, I'm a Celeb ended up sharing a snippet of this conversation to their Instagram account, and it went absolutely viral. At the time of recording, it's had over 200,000 views and 1,400 send-ons. One person in the comment section wrote, let's be honest, he wouldn't have even got the spot on I'm a Celebrity if he didn't marry Tammy in the first place. But this is what happens when you meet someone on socials and propose three months later. Another said, his ex is why he's on the show, Denny. Whilst another said, not disrespectful, disclosing their private life with a smile. He's seeking fame. She has young children. Think of them, not you on national TV. Disgusting. Do you think that Channel 10 tried to get Tammy on the show first and she declined or her figure was just too large to appear? Because she is appearing as a contestant on Channel 9's show Shark. which I doubt will be as popular as this show. Well, potentially she could have a multi-deal show with Channel 9, which means that she can't appear on I'm a Celeb. I mean, I think the producers would have way rather had her on there than Matt. Well, there are reports that Rachel Hunter, she's probably the most well-known person in I'm a Celeb. She's apparently getting around $ 140, 000 to $ 170, 000 for her appearance on the show. So Channel 10 probably just didn't have enough in the kitty left to pay Tammy and thought, We could get Matt for cheap and the same viewers will tune in to hear all the goss. Well, they've also got Robert Irwin whose star is just on the absolute rise at the moment as the host and, you know, his paycheck's probably gone up. I think Channel 10 needs to get Tammy on as the next Bachelorette and that's how they'll bring the show back. That would be a good revival but I

feel like the tide is turning on Tammy because this week she posted a story which was really a subtle dig at Matt and and obviously came off the back of his appearance on I'm a Celeb. So on her Instagram stories, she revealed that she was finally getting her wedding date lasered off her as well as her matte tattoo. Let's take a listen to what she said. 00:18:36 Speaker 4: So my tattoos that I'm getting removed are my wedding date. No surprise there that I don't really need that one anymore. And then I have my ex's name down on my hip, which I also don't need that one. 00:18:55 Speaker 1: Now, a lot of people thought it was quite tacky of Tammy to try and piggyback off Matt's appearance on I'm a Celebrity. People were like, why are you doing this now? I mean, we all know Tammy Hembrough is calculated with what she puts out there. My favorite part of this whole story is that this was part of a paid partnership that Tammy had with a numbing cream called Nummit. And that name will sound familiar because Matt also had a brand deal with Nummit ahead of their 2024 wedding. So ironically, in his video, he was using Numbit Cream to get a tattoo to remember their wedding. Let's take a listen. 00:19:27 Speaker 3: I wanted to get a tattoo to dedicate my love to my fiance, but the pain I was not about. I wanted to enjoy this sentimental moment and not think about the sting of the tattoo. So I have partnered with Numbit Numbing Cream, which is number one numbing cream in Australia pharmacies. 00:19:44 Speaker 1: It seems like Tammy and Matt never learn because Matt also used num it to get a tattoo dedicated to his ex-girlfriend Jen removed from his ass. It's so funny because a lot of influencers now have to be really creative in how they weave in ads. I'd love to be a fly on the wall of all the marketing chats with Tammy where they're like, yeah, can you just mention your failed marriage as part of this or just a little snippet about it? And I'm probably already had these ads scheduled into their diary going, yeah, that relationship's going to end. They're going to get shit tattoos. And here we go. More promotion for us. Well, alongside the tattoos dedicated to Matt was this other big tattoo that I didn't even know Tammy had on her side. So I'm guessing that originally it was like, oh, well, you can use the number for that tattoo. But she's sort of gone, oh, actually. I think I'll have a pot shot at Matt at the same time. Well, talking about pot shots, Tammy's bestie, Isabel Laws, went into bat for her. So underneath Matt's I'm a Celeb intro video, she wrote, Confused. I thought you had to be a celeb to go on this show. That speaks absolute volumes. It's clear that Isabel Laws did not have any time for Matt. I mean, she unfollowed Matt before Tammy actually announced that they were no longer together. Before we wrap up about Matt, we have to talk about the challenge that that he did because it raised a few eyebrows and the podcaster was accused of fake crying

and acting during this challenge. So he was asked to face his biggest fear, which he claimed to be heights. And in order to earn food for the camp, Matt was lifted into the air on a beam and had to walk across it to collect stars. That looks so frightening. Like I'm actually legitimately scared of heights. And I was like, there's no way I could do that. So the beam gradually kept moving up higher and higher until it got up to 50 meters. And then Once it reached 50 meters above the air, he then had the option of jumping off to collect one final star. And this is where he broke down in tears. Like it was funny because they had one of those GoPros attached to his helmet and the faces that he was pulling were literally perfect for memes. It was pretty funny. And people have accused him of faking this and saying that actually heights isn't his phobia. We actually had a listener send in a photo of him climbing the Sydney Harbour Bridge and Which is quite ironic because when he was asked about his phobia from Rob Irwin, he said, I don't even go on roller coasters. I don't do anything. I won't even go out on a balcony of a hotel room. Like, I just don't like heights. I don't like them. To be fair, for work, I climbed the Adelaide Oval. And I'm scared of heights. So I don't know. Are we picking on him a bit too much? I mean, it's kind of clever when you think about it. Do you be honest and say what your actual biggest fear is and know that this show is going to put you to the test, particularly when this is a PR exercise for Matt? He has got a lot riding on this. He has to look good. Well, that's the thing. People were saying on Twitter, oh, he's got invisible tears. There's nothing coming out of his eyes. I think he looked legitimately shit scared. I think if anything, he would have been quite embarrassed by how he was reacting to his fear yeah but I think most of the audience would be women watching this or families and I think that they would have a soft spot for Matt for him showing his emotions like that but what I'm saying is for him I think he's got a lot of close mates and those photos would have been doing the rounds in his group chat like paying the shit out of him so I don't think that he's like oh I'm gonna really ham it up I'm gonna cry on this show so that I can look like a legend and come back to camp you know winning all of these meals for everyone I don't think he's actually that calculated. 00:23:14 Speaker 5: Brooklyn's wedding was a very special day and their first dance as a married couple was very, very classy and. 00:23:22 Speaker 2: Be honest. 00:23:23 Speaker 5: I am being honest. 00:23:24 Speaker 1: Be honest. 00:23:25 Speaker 5: I am being honest. What did you do during Brooklyn's first dance at his wedding? So Brooklyn's first dance was... No, one answer. 00:23:32 Speaker 1: All right, well, it's not a simple answer. 00:23:34 Speaker 5: What did you do during Brooklyn's first dance? 00:23:36 Speaker 1: It depends. No, no, no, no. What did you. 00:23:39 Speaker 5: All right, during Brooklyn's first dance at his wedding, I got on the stage and twerked. 00:23:42 Speaker 2: Thank you. 00:23:43 Speaker 1: The long-rumoured family feud between David and Victoria Beckham and their eldest son, Brooklyn, has come to a head. Earlier this week, Brooklyn broke his silence in an 800-word statement shared to Instagram. In it, he confirmed he was estranged from his family and has no intentions of reconciling with them. He also dropped some explosive claims. Now, Kate, before we get into those, let's get listeners up to speed with how the Beckhams got to this point. So rumors of a feud first emerged in the aftermath of Brooklyn's wedding to Nicola Peltz Beckham. That was back in April 2022. For those not familiar with Nicola, she is a 31-year-old American actress who comes from a prominent billionaire family. So her dad, Nelson, is a businessman and investor who is a MAGA supporter. So he actually donated to Donald Trump's campaign in 2020. Now, rumors of a rift first started when Nicola didn't wear a wedding dress designed by Victoria, despite early reports that she would. At the time, Page Six went as far as to report that a Cold War had erupted between Victoria and Nicola in the lead up to the wedding. Now, despite this tabloid speculation, Brooklyn and Nicola continued to appear alongside the rest of the Beckham family at public events. That was until they were a no-show at David's 50th birthday celebrations in May last year. Now, rift rumors intensified further when Brooklyn and Nicola held a vow renewal ceremony in May last year without the Beckham family in attendance. There were then reports that Brooklyn sent his parents a cease and desist style legal letter after Victoria liked one of his cooking videos on Instagram. Then in December came the great unfollowing. So super sleuths noticed that the Beckhams were no longer following Brooklyn and he was no longer following them. Now, the speculation caused Brooklyn's brother, Cruz, to address the rumors a few days out from Christmas, writing on Instagram, Gosh, it's all been brewing for a while now. We need to get into Brooklyn's statement as it was absolutely explosive. So he confirmed longstanding speculation that that the riff was over his relationship with Nicola. He went as far as saying that his parents tried to ruin their relationship and consistently disrespected Nicola. Brooklyn also used this statement to shift the narrative that he's being controlled by his wife. He wrote, I do not want to reconcile with my family. I am not being controlled. I'm standing up for myself for the first time in my life. I feel like it's fair to say that Nicola has received somewhat of a Meghan Markle edit the last couple of years. In fact, this situation seems like a repeat of what happened with Harry and Meghan back in 2020 when they left the royal family. People have always drawn parallels between the Beckhams and the royal family before

this rift. I mean, when you think about it, both families have provided a lot of scandal and entertainment to the UK public and the world for so many years. So it is fascinating when you consider the treatment the women marrying into these British families have received from the press and general public. I mean, the biggest difference between the Beckhams and the Windsors is old money and new money. That's the sort of the vibes. Yeah, I mean, definitely. But still, Nicola has been painted by the press as this fame-hungry American interloper who is intent on splitting the Beckham family up. which is a copy and paste of the Meghan Markle narrative. Well, it tells magazines, doesn't it? It is also interesting when you consider, you know, it's this American marrying into a British family because there is a big difference when it comes to Brits and Americans when you think of, you know, communication style. Americans are very direct. I mean, humour as well, class, self-promotion, the list goes on. So I think that there is a culture clash going on between both of these families that has caused this feud. I find the timing of Brooklyn's statement really interesting because he's doing so at a time when his parents have never been more popular off the back of their recent Netflix documentary series. In comparison, he's gotten a pretty bad rap in the press lately. He's often labelled as this nepo baby who's yet to find career success and pretty much as painted as someone who just leeches off his parents. Yeah, and there's also been accusations that he's hitting out at his parents who have funded his lifestyle. now that he's married into a billionaire family. People are also accusing him of trying to get his own Netflix doco. That's why they think he's released this statement. And it's clear to me that he's put this statement out in an attempt to get public support and to change this narrative. But we will go into that a little bit later because I'm not sure how successful it's been. Coming off the back of Brooklyn's statement, Victoria has been painted as this nightmare mother-in-law. And the most explosive claims from Brooklyn... are centered around his mother. So he claims that she backed out at the last minute of designing Nicola's wedding dress and sabotaged the couple's first dance. So Brooklyn claims that when Mark Anthony called him to the stage for his first dance, which was supposed to be with his wife, his mom was waiting there to dance with him instead. Now, if you cast your minds back to the reports that were coming out in 2022 following the wedding, Mark Anthony supposedly introduced Victoria as the most beautiful woman in the room, which, I mean, what the fuck? God, can you imagine at your wedding if someone introduced your mother-in-law as the most beautiful or anyone, any other woman except you? Like that is just a no-no. As for the dance, Brooklyn wrote, she danced very inappropriately on me in front of everyone. I have never felt more uncomfortable or humiliated in my entire life. He then said the reason that the couple recently renewed their wedding vows was to create new memories of their wedding. Now everyone is asking for the receipts and it seems like it's unlikely they'll be coming as Brooklyn and Nicola reportedly are the only ones who have access to that vision. I wonder if... if they got a Netflix doco, if they would air it. Well, I mean, if you're going to be making outlandish claims, basically referring that your mom has the hots for you. I mean, because that's essentially what he's saying here, isn't it? That this dancing is inappropriate. We're all getting this vision of hers grinding up against him, particularly because he said that It was a very romantic song. I mean, that was the vision that I had in my head when I read this statement. But surely we would have known about that by now if there were 500 guests there. I mean, potentially their phones were taken away. But surely this information would have leaked because so much has been leaked to the press about the wedding. I just can't get over these claims. I think because I now have a son, I'm putting myself in the position of Victoria and how hurtful and upsetting it would be for this child that you have invested so much of your time, energy, love into, to then come out and humiliate you in that way. I mean, who's coming up with these claims? Was it Brooklyn or did Nicola find it weird? Well, I think the public reaction has been interesting because I think there's a divide between boy mums like ourselves and those who have had nightmare mother-in-laws. And I think the boy mums are on Posh and Bex's side, while anyone who has a nightmare in-law is team Brooklyn. And I think people are definitely projecting their own family dynamics onto this situation because as a boy mum myself, I find this whole competition between a mother and daughter-in-law really gross, not to mention this incest element that is being pushed. It's incredibly misogynistic. I also want to point out, and this is not just directed at Nicola, but to be fair, there often is a red flag when someone cuts off their entire family once they're in a new relationship with someone. I also have to say- that quite often when it comes to weddings, it's the bride's family who kind of get the better deal. The mom gets to come and help with the dress and she's usually there in the morning. Whereas The groom's family are sort of playing second fiddle. So for Victoria, they're coming into this situation where Brooklyn is marrying a billionaire. So one, I wonder who funded most of the wedding if it was an equal split. So she's probably thinking, well, of course, I mean, you're acting as if they haven't got much money. They're also close to billionaire status. Like they're not poor. I understand that. But the pelts seem to come from old money. Like they scream old money. So I feel like they were very traditional and they probably were like, no, we're calling

the shots with this wedding. And I feel like Victoria and David felt like they were just invited to the wedding, that they weren't actually part of it. So maybe this is where Victoria thought, hold on a second, I need a moment in this wedding. So I would like a dance with my son. So maybe she did hijack it in that moment, but I kind of get it. I don't know if I can agree with you there, Sophie, because even if you feel like you're on the outer at your son's wedding, I don't think you should hijack the wedding and make it about yourself. I think you could have a private conversation that you were feeling a little bit unloved. But I think you do that after the wedding. I'm not saying that she should have made it all about her, but when you reflect on weddings, there's this really beautiful moment where the dad walks the daughter down the aisle. Quite often the mums get left out of things and maybe she thought, well, I want to have a really nice moment with my son. I mean, yeah, maybe she was passing it off as this surprise and it sort of has backfired on her. We also know that Victoria loves a dance and we have seen that with a lot of the memes that have been coming out. 00:32:59 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:33:00 Speaker 1: Well, the internet has absolutely exploded with memes and parodies of what people imagine this dance was like. And I have just been laughing nonstop. Like they continuously are in my feed. Super Sluice also pulled up an old tweet Victoria posted at the start of last year, which read, never met a dance floor I didn't like. There's also a recent clip from Christmas 2025 of Victoria dancing with her father that has resurfaced. So At the time, there was commentary that the clip made people feel uncomfortable and people were saying, you don't dance with your dad like that. So I just wonder, is this just the way Victoria dances with everyone? Well, Cruz Beckham liked one of the parodies and it was by a UK comedian who put up a video of himself pretending to be the DJ at the wedding. And he's like, the mother of the groom has requested pony. I genuinely think that this might be a class or cultural divide between the Beckhams and the Pelts. I was like, We all have seen that Victoria loves a cheesy dance. I mean, the dance she did with David to Islands in the Street went absolutely viral off the back of the Beckham doco. I think this has just been all taken out of context. Well, while Victoria copped the brunt of this statement, David wasn't let off the hook. So Brooklyn addressed why he wasn't in attendance at his father's birthday. He claims that he and Nicola made the trip to London to spend time with his dad, but they were rejected by David. So Brooklyn alleges that David gave him two options. The first was to meet him at the party with 100 guests and cameras at every corner or in private under the condition that Nicola wasn't invited. Now this led into the other bombshell claim that the Beckhams put brand ahead of family. So Brooklyn said he grew up with overwhelming anxiety and claims that for his entire life his parents have controlled narratives in the press about their family. He went on to write the performative social media posts family events and inauthentic relationships have been a fixture of the life I was born into. Now, Brooklyn also brought up the trademarking of his name. So in his statement, he claimed his parents pressured and bribed him to sign away the rights to his own name's commercial use before his wedding. Now, the trademark was set to expire in 2026. So for people who were confused about this, in 2016, when Brooklyn was just 16, Victoria registered a trademark for his name, So this means that Victoria owns the legal right to use his name for commercial products. And it's pretty typical behavior of celebrities. So the Kardashians have all trademarked their kids' names. It's basically safeguarding their names against other people bringing out products under their names. But what it means now is that Brooklyn can't control how his name is used. And this may be why Brooklyn has been using Brooklyn Pelts Beckham publicly since he got married. I think he would have changed his last name regardless because he really comes across as a wife man. Like he is all in it for Nicola. Doesn't he have a weird tattoo of her face on his arm? I think he has like 15 tattoos of her. He's very devoted to her. I can see why the Beckhams have probably got red flags going. I mean, that's a little bit over the top. The part that got me in Brooklyn's statement was him saying that he and Nicola wanted privacy. I'm like, well, why have you just aired all of this dirty laundry? Like, clearly, you know, this is going to blow up. It's a bit like Harry and Meghan calling for privacy, but then doing every Netflix show. I mean, I think it's been a massive mistake for Brooklyn to go public with this statement because there's no going back after this. And Moving forward, he's going to be defined by this and he's going to be continuously asked by the press about his statement. And he's not working on equal footing because the Beckhams have spent the last 30 years elevating themselves essentially to legendary pop culture status. And I mean, that's only intensified off the back of their Netflix docos. People really feel like they know Posh and Becks. I mean, their dramas have been a constant soap opera in so many of our lives. And all Brooklyn has done is add to the theatrics and cemented his parents further into these pop culture characters. And if you think about the public's perception of Brooklyn, it's that he's a spoiled little brat who doesn't have a job, which whether that's fair or not, that actually is the perception of him at the moment. Also, when it comes to Victoria, it's really difficult for people to see her and Posh Spice as separate entities, even 30 years on from her being in the Spice Girls. And with the reputation that she's gotten from working in the high fashion industry, I

feel like Brooklyn's accusations are really on brand for Victoria. It's sort of what you expect her to be like. It almost plays into that character more because I can imagine Victoria finding it very difficult not to be a main character in her son's wedding. And I think that we kind of take a look at that and think, oh, that's kind of funny. Like that, oh, good on her. That's why we've seen the internet explode with memes because it's kind of like, well, they're all characters in this soap opera and it takes the seriousness away from some of his claims because it's like, we're just like taking the piss out of the Beckhams. Like Victoria Beckham has had the piss taken out of her, her whole career. And, and as you said, Amy, everyone loves poking fun at Brooklyn for being a nepo baby. Can you imagine though, if these claims were reversed and it was actually Harper making them about David saying, oh, he danced with me inappropriately. I feel like that would almost be taken more seriously on the internet. I do remember there was this clip going viral on TikTok of David giving his daughter Harper a kiss on the lips and people were put off by it. I mean, I do think it's true that people wouldn't be taking the piss out of it if that was the case. What do you guys think Victoria and David are going to do next? They have been active on social media. So I saw today that Victoria wished Emma Bunton a happy birthday. What is an interesting twist in this story is that Victoria and David would have had to read Brooklyn's statement in the press. They wouldn't have got a heads up first because they're blocked on his Instagram. So they couldn't have even clicked on it and seen what he said about them. I'm assuming one of their managers had to awkwardly send it to them I mean, everyone's saying, oh, are we going to hear from Victoria and David? But I think it's best that they say nothing. I mean, that's been their long running media strategy. We saw it on the Netflix doco. They didn't talk about David's well-publicized affair with Rebecca Luz. So I think that they're just going to do what they normally do and ignore it. Because if they do comment on it, that opens themselves up to every time they face the media to be asked about it. But if they remain quiet, then they don't have to say anything. Yeah, I don't think they're going to comment on it, but I think their PR team will be working in overdrive, feeding different stories to the media about Nicola. Surely Bram Beckham will also leak the vision of Victoria and Brooklyn dancing at the wedding if it's in her favour. What I find so hypocritical in that statement is Brooklyn being like, all my family do is get their PR team to put out negative stories about me and Nicola. Well, how? did the press have all of the stories which were favoring him and Nicola out originally? Because these stories about the wedding came out in 2022. 00:39:37 Speaker 4: Exactly. 00:39:38 Speaker 1: There's been leaking on both sides of the family. I mean, what can they really do? They're David did speak at a social media conference a day after Brooklyn's statement came out and he kind of had a bit of a smile as he said, oh, you know, kids need to learn by their mistakes and that sort of thing. So I think it's going to be a few offhand comments because in saying not much, they're saying a lot. I mean, the sad reality is the only way I can see the Beckham family, you know, getting over this and reuniting is is if Brooklyn gets divorced. Well, that is where we are going to leave things today. Thank you so much for joining us for this episode. If you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure you are subscribed on Apple Podcasts and also Spotify. And if you do enjoy the podcast and want to hear more from us, we drop a bonus episode of Outspoken every Thursday for Outspoken Plus subscribers. It's only $ 5. 99 a month, so you get four extra episodes a month. All the details to sign up are in the show notes. This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders past and present.