Full Transcript for EVERTON HAVE LOST THE PLOT?! | Outside the Box

00:04:18.944 --> 00:04:20.446 And I think that was the last one that came out. 60 00:04:20.526 --> 00:04:22.568 So, I mean, I may be wrong. 61 00:04:22.588 --> 00:04:29.295 I may be reading the wrong numbers here and the wrong articles, but that doesn't scream to me like, 62 00:04:30.321 --> 00:04:37.864 they've come in and they lost more money than they expected to, then they lost more money, and then the year after they lost more money, and now it's panic stations because it's going the wrong way. 63 00:04:38.504 --> 00:04:40.946 Actually, the numbers, the club's in a better footing. 64 00:04:41.066 --> 00:04:43.206 They're reasonable, yeah. 65 00:04:43.347 --> 00:04:44.807 It seems to be in a better position. 66 00:04:45.027 --> 00:04:53.391 If you've come in and you're only 18 months, two years into owning a football club, like any single business in the world, you'd expect losses in the first year to 18 months. 67 00:04:53.871 --> 00:04:58.833 And they're actually upward trend and losses, if you don't understand what I'm getting at. 68 00:04:59.273 --> 00:05:01.314 So the projection is that we're on the right path. 69 00:05:02.715 --> 00:05:05.116 So that's to start with, which then worries me. 70 00:05:05.136 --> 00:05:19.902 But then you've got all of this financial situation over the transfer window, which is an absolute shambles with regards to how many people we let out regards to bringing in. 71 00:05:20.929 --> 00:05:23.873 But we also, we made a profit. 72 00:05:24.474 --> 00:05:28.939 I mean, we went into transfer window, as you said, saying we need to strengthen the squad and we need to move forward. 73 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:34.827 We need to give the manager every chance to compete and get us back in Europe and move us up the table and big statements. 74 00:05:35.748 --> 00:05:38.431 And then sold our best players and made a profit. 75 00:05:39.070 --> 00:05:42.973 Now, this transfer window, Roma spent £100 million, I think it was. 76 00:05:43.573 --> 00:05:45.955 They brought in seven players, maybe eight players. 77 00:05:45.975 --> 00:05:47.016 They actually brought in a right back. 78 00:05:47.936 --> 00:05:50.218 They brought in some experienced centre midfield players. 79 00:05:50.238 --> 00:05:53.120 They brought in some attack and talent. 80 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:59.545 They've had a net loss, so to speak, a net spend of £100 million. 81 00:06:00.245 --> 00:06:01.867 We've made £20 million. 82 00:06:01.947 --> 00:06:03.528 And we're the club that actually need... 83 00:06:04.753 --> 00:06:14.372 investment more help and more investment at the moment maybe they'll flip that and say oh Roma have got a chance of winning a title so we put all our eggs in that basket but that shows exactly where we are in the basket 84 00:06:15.860 --> 00:06:16.841 if you're owning two clubs. 85 00:06:16.861 --> 00:06:26.346 And I said in the last pod that every parent, regardless of whether you want it or not, will secretly have a favourite,

whether you want to believe it or not. 86 00:06:26.486 --> 00:06:29.107 And I think they've just showed us who the favourite is. 87 00:06:29.928 --> 00:06:36.731 Do you think it's possible for an ownership to own two clubs as big as an Everton and a Roma and be able to do it fairly? 88 00:06:37.011 --> 00:06:38.212 Or is that just an impossible task? 89 00:06:39.758 --> 00:06:41.819 If you've got enough money, you should be able to do it. 90 00:06:42.500 --> 00:06:47.503 I mean, if money is limitless, then yeah, you just keep investing in both equally. 91 00:06:48.003 --> 00:06:49.264 Because again, I'll go back to kids. 92 00:06:49.324 --> 00:06:57.849 If you've got two kids, you don't just, even if one is your favorite, you don't just invest financially in one child and leave the other one out to dry. 93 00:06:58.249 --> 00:06:59.330 You treat your kids equally. 94 00:07:00.170 --> 00:07:03.493 Whereas I think this transfer window doesn't feel like that. 95 00:07:03.513 --> 00:07:07.677 Maybe if we'd have got Balogun over the line, we'd be all thinking it's a little bit different. 96 00:07:08.097 --> 00:07:13.582 But you'd still say that, you know, we let out just as much as we got in. 97 00:07:13.622 --> 00:07:15.584 We were actually hoping to keep our players. 98 00:07:15.624 --> 00:07:19.327 I mean, and I go back again, because we'll sure we'll talk about it. 99 00:07:20.028 --> 00:07:23.371 Illuminant I, 60 to 65 million. 100 00:07:23.891 --> 00:07:25.773 When I'm looking around the rest of the market... 101 00:07:27.230 --> 00:07:28.530 I have no idea. 102 00:07:28.670 --> 00:07:34.491 There must be something behind that deal that I don't know or the situation I don't know about. 103 00:07:34.671 --> 00:07:35.932 But that's not good business, is it? 104 00:07:35.972 --> 00:07:36.852 It's not good business. 105 00:07:36.872 --> 00:07:38.772 Spurs are trying to get him for 60, 65. 106 00:07:38.812 --> 00:07:40.373 But I'm saying there must be something in a clause. 107 00:07:40.393 --> 00:07:49.134 There must be something we're all blinded by and we can't see because he's an £18 million plus player and the only bids we were getting in were 60. 108 00:07:49.274 --> 00:07:50.094 Is it us as a club? 109 00:07:50.114 --> 00:07:52.115 Because Chelsea tried to nick James Garner off us for 65. 110 00:07:53.335 --> 00:07:57.677 And if Elliot Anderson's 110, you're not telling me James Garner's half the player he is. 111 00:07:57.717 --> 00:07:59.577 And that's not even a conversation. 112 00:08:00.298 --> 00:08:01.338 So is it us as a club? 113 00:08:01.518 --> 00:08:04.499 Are we that club that everyone thinks they can shortchange us? 114 00:08:05.140 --> 00:08:07.200 And if so, we've got to figure out a way of stopping that. 115 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:08.081 You know what? 116 00:08:08.101 --> 00:08:12.602 I think when it comes to the Illumina and Daiwan, I genuinely think we've got Jackie. 117 00:08:12.642 --> 00:08:14.063 Listen, we're not paying any of his wages. 118 00:08:15.102 --> 00:08:22.464 I think that's the only reasonable thing I can think of with Deleman and Die Money because he's got two or three years left on his contract. 119 00:08:23.264 --> 00:08:29.426 He might not have been happy to stay, but he would have stayed and we all know that he would have gone on the pitch and give his all every single week. 120 00:08:29.866 --> 00:08:32.607 That's what we do know about him because teams have been after him. 121 00:08:33.667 --> 00:08:35.928 I mean, we knew the moment was going to come at some point that he was going to go. 122 00:08:36.796 --> 00:08:38.658 So I get it with the Illuminati. 123 00:08:38.978 --> 00:08:40.479 The Jimmy Garner one baffles me. 124 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:44.263 Enzo Fernandes goes one way, but it's coming in with 60 odd million. 125 00:08:44.303 --> 00:08:45.144 It's just pathetic. 126 00:08:45.384 --> 00:08:48.747 I mean, these clubs must think that... Do you know what? 127 00:08:48.767 --> 00:08:53.051 Do these clubs... Do they all piss in the same pot and they all know each other's financial position? 128 00:08:53.211 --> 00:08:55.793 That's the only thing I can think of here that makes sense. 129 00:08:55.873 --> 00:09:00.597 Everybody knows each other's financial position and they're going, we know Everton, they're struggling in FFP here. 130 00:09:01.258 --> 00:09:02.600 but boys, we know they need to sell. 131 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:04.121 So let's just truck them a bone. 132 00:09:04.422 --> 00:09:06.965 And that's the reason why they come in low for Harrison Armstrong. 133 00:09:07.005 --> 00:09:09.107 That's the reason we let Illumina and Dago. 134 00:09:09.407 --> 00:09:12.010 And that's the reason they're throwing cheeky bids in for the likes of Jimmy Garner. 135 00:09:12.030 --> 00:09:16.976 Because Jimmy Garner is a £120 million player every single day of the week and twice on a Sunday. 136 00:09:17.376 --> 00:09:18.678 There's just no getting away from that. 137 00:09:18.698 --> 00:09:20.159 That boy is phenomenal. 138 00:09:20.660 --> 00:09:22.102 And keeps the ball as good as anyone. 139 00:09:22.682 --> 00:09:23.863 I hope it's twice this Sunday. 140 00:09:24.363 --> 00:09:28.886 I hope it's ten times this Sunday, to be honest. 141 00:09:29.026 --> 00:09:47.439 I kind of understood Chelsea trying to get a midfielder because they were after, obviously having lost Enzo Fernandes, they were after Lemire Kamara from Monaco and that got wrapped up in they needed to sell one of the players and they'd rather sell Balogun to us and when that looked like it was collapsing, that deal... 142 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:51.281 went up and Chelsea thought they were getting him as a cover and then that collapsed. 143 00:09:51.341 --> 00:09:54.042 And I mean, the whole thing was absolutely crazy. 144 00:09:54.062 --> 00:09:56.284 And I think they just tried to nick Jimmy at the last minute. 145 00:09:56.324 --> 00:09:59.505 But I mean, it's

ridiculous. 146 00:10:00.446 --> 00:10:02.147 That's what worries me about us. 147 00:10:02.647 --> 00:10:04.328 You know the way football works though. 148 00:10:04.428 --> 00:10:09.431 And I think they obviously hadn't planned for Enzo Fernandes going and that bit coming at the last minute. 149 00:10:09.451 --> 00:10:12.512 They obviously gave City the ultimatum. 150 00:10:12.532 --> 00:10:14.033 You better be done by this Friday. 151 00:10:14.433 --> 00:10:15.074 And this is the one. 152 00:10:15.094 --> 00:10:15.774 And they didn't do it. 153 00:10:16.114 --> 00:10:16.815 But ultimately... 154 00:10:17.515 --> 00:10:29.700 Football is so statistically driven now that if you look at the statistics and over the last season, if you look at Jimmy Garner's stats and his rolling numbers and his passing numbers and all of these things, he is a player who fits the criteria. 155 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:33.822 So I understand why the bid come late because I didn't think they'd foreseen Enzo Fernandes going. 156 00:10:34.202 --> 00:10:35.563 But Jimmy Garner fits the bill. 157 00:10:36.203 --> 00:10:38.744 It's like when you look at the statistics around Illman and Jai. 158 00:10:39.264 --> 00:10:41.966 He fits Man City's criteria 100%. 159 00:10:42.246 --> 00:10:43.726 He does the hard miles. 160 00:10:43.746 --> 00:10:44.447 He does the running. 161 00:10:44.467 --> 00:10:45.307 He does the chasing back. 162 00:10:45.647 --> 00:10:46.528 He is creative. 163 00:10:46.728 --> 00:10:47.528 He does score goals. 164 00:10:47.548 --> 00:10:48.228 He wins you three games. 165 00:10:48.588 --> 00:10:52.270 All of these statistics, they get players sold. 166 00:10:52.290 --> 00:10:53.911 I just think that's the world we live in now. 167 00:10:53.951 --> 00:10:55.331 It's so statistically driven. 168 00:10:56.012 --> 00:11:05.476 And these pen pushes and these iPad gurus and these masters of tech, that's where they earn the money because they identify these players. 169 00:11:07.143 --> 00:11:18.589 Yeah, but still, Chelsea knew that Enzo Fernandes was more of an 80% to 90% possibility. 170 00:11:18.989 --> 00:11:22.151 He was going to go, yes, they put an ultimatum out there, but they knew Chelsea wanted him. 171 00:11:22.171 --> 00:11:23.451 They knew Enzo Moresca wanted him. 172 00:11:24.012 --> 00:11:25.612 They knew they didn't really want him. 173 00:11:26.333 --> 00:11:28.334 And he wasn't even in the last matchday squad. 174 00:11:29.154 --> 00:11:32.156 So this is what baffles me about Chelsea, 175 00:11:33.313 --> 00:11:37.578 the window in general, everybody always seems to wait. 176 00:11:37.598 --> 00:11:38.419 They're always haggling. 177 00:11:38.439 --> 00:11:46.567 They're always hoping if they wait till the last minute, they'll get a better deal or someone will pay more or they'll be able to nick something off or whatever reason, you've got the whole summer. 178 00:11:47.128 --> 00:11:51.112 So you've got, you know, two months to do these deals, maybe even three months to do these deals. 179 00:11:51.633 --> 00:11:54.416 And then you see all of this happening on the, on the last minute. 180 00:11:54.456 --> 00:11:54.896 Chelsea, 181 00:11:55.637 --> 00:12:16.862 Enzo Fernandez going up there so now they're trying to nick a player so then they're going to Monaco and the knock on effect that that all has every single transfer window if you do your deals and business like that somebody or more than somebody two or three clubs are going to get burnt and this time it's definitely us it's definitely Monaco 182 00:12:18.085 --> 00:12:40.091 Chelsea a little bit and if you play with fire you end up getting burned so rather than getting stuff done rather than this happening last week it's a last minute job Chelsea being burned out they've got a squad mate I mean there was less people on Noah's Ark than there is in Chelsea's squad I mean it's just it's ridiculous I mean we've been decimated 183 00:12:42.171 --> 00:12:46.615 Do you think our problem is the lack of organisation then? 184 00:12:46.655 --> 00:12:48.517 So that we've left that later. 185 00:12:48.537 --> 00:12:51.279 Is that the bigger issue than saying they weren't willing to spend money? 186 00:12:51.299 --> 00:12:54.262 Because actually, if you look at it, they were trying to get Balogun over the line. 187 00:12:54.602 --> 00:12:58.926 Do you think they've just left themselves in a really bad position to the point where they're scrambling? 188 00:12:58.946 --> 00:13:00.367 And actually, that's where the real issue lies. 189 00:13:03.335 --> 00:13:04.416 It looks like that, doesn't it? 190 00:13:04.496 --> 00:13:14.204 I mean, as I say, if you leave it to the last minute, what you're trying to do is hope that the person you're dealing with's desperation is more than yours. 191 00:13:14.325 --> 00:13:17.067 So we actually tried to deal with Monaco and we knew Monaco needed to sell. 192 00:13:17.747 --> 00:13:20.790 So that makes us think that we can get that done on the cheap. 193 00:13:21.130 --> 00:13:24.493 But then obviously it was the player that ended up dying. 194 00:13:24.613 --> 00:13:26.774 They're starting the dominoes that they're actually ended up. 195 00:13:27.235 --> 00:13:28.335 And we'll get onto that in a minute. 196 00:13:28.375 --> 00:13:40.222 But if you wait till the last minute in the hope that you can get a better deal because of the club you're dealing with or people do that to you, and that's why people come to us because maybe we need to spend, then there's a chance it's not going to happen. 197 00:13:40.342 --> 00:13:45.305 There's a chance that whatever business you want doing is not going to materialise. 198 00:13:45.385 --> 00:13:46.506 And if you're... 199 00:13:49.101 --> 00:13:57.268 If you've got plans and you've got ideas of seeing the way that the transfer window's going, it always makes sense if you get in early and do it. 200 00:13:57.348 --> 00:13:58.809 It might cost you an extra $5

million. 201 00:13:59.029 --> 00:14:00.931 It might cost you an extra little bit of this, but... 202 00:14:01.988 --> 00:14:07.311 In money terms, in Premier League terms, $5 billion isn't that much these days. 203 00:14:07.932 --> 00:14:09.052 It really isn't. 204 00:14:09.112 --> 00:14:11.173 And maybe there's restrictions. 205 00:14:11.233 --> 00:14:12.674 And again, we touched on it before. 206 00:14:12.694 --> 00:14:16.897 There's trying to sell Arnison Armstrong out the blue, sell an element for the price that he went. 207 00:14:16.957 --> 00:14:23.100 Maybe it just seems actually coming out with the way the club's coming and they're actually after investment. 208 00:14:23.140 --> 00:14:29.864 Maybe it seems that we couldn't do any business because we needed money off Peter to feed Paul or whatever it is. 209 00:14:29.924 --> 00:14:30.164 But... 210 00:14:31.507 --> 00:14:33.655 It just doesn't sit right for me, can we not? 211 00:14:34.698 --> 00:14:36.239 we're not all know about this a little bit early. 212 00:14:36.259 --> 00:14:44.202 Maybe they were keeping, I'm thinking out loud now, because maybe they were trying to keep this information quiet so that nobody tried to take advantage of us. 213 00:14:44.222 --> 00:14:48.183 And maybe that's why clubs have took advantage of us in that way. 214 00:14:48.884 --> 00:14:53.765 But it just doesn't sit well for our club when we were saying we've now turned the corner. 215 00:14:53.785 --> 00:14:54.846 We've got this new stadium. 216 00:14:54.866 --> 00:14:55.626 We've got a new manager. 217 00:14:55.646 --> 00:14:58.507 We've got new owners who've got all this money to invest in. 218 00:14:59.348 --> 00:15:01.708 And I just feel like we've not even took a step back. 219 00:15:01.728 --> 00:15:02.749 We've took a leap back. 220 00:15:03.201 --> 00:15:05.243 I think it's just a joke. 221 00:15:05.363 --> 00:15:06.705 I live my life by a motto. 222 00:15:06.845 --> 00:15:08.627 I've even got it tattooed on my arm. 223 00:15:09.708 --> 00:15:12.290 And it's fail to prepare, prepare to fail. 224 00:15:12.511 --> 00:15:15.754 And you live by the five Ps. 225 00:15:16.955 --> 00:15:21.119 Poor preparation prevents poor performance. 226 00:15:22.040 --> 00:15:22.421 Simple. 227 00:15:25.342 --> 00:15:53.690 and that's where we are no one's prepared nobody's prepared the only person who's prepared here for the season ahead is David Moyes and you know why he's been prepared because he's been asking to strengthen a squad he's been asking and asking telling you what he needs to stop the poor prevention of a poor season and he's told you you haven't given me now you've left a manager you're asking for more 228 00:15:54.872 --> 00:15:57.173 than someone's actually got previously. 229 00:15:57.513 --> 00:15:59.313 How can you get more out of them when you've got less? 230 00:15:59.593 --> 00:16:00.473 That doesn't make sense. 231 00:16:01.114 --> 00:16:04.274 If you keep taking away, what are you going to

assume? 232 00:16:04.294 --> 00:16:04.995 Be left with nothing. 233 00:16:05.535 --> 00:16:06.115 Simple as that. 234 00:16:06.895 --> 00:16:08.015 That's just the top and bottom of it. 235 00:16:08.335 --> 00:16:09.816 And that's what they've done. 236 00:16:10.076 --> 00:16:10.816 It's a joke, me. 237 00:16:10.876 --> 00:16:12.877 It's just... 238 00:16:13.497 --> 00:16:14.537 They are good businessmen. 239 00:16:14.877 --> 00:16:15.477 And you just... 240 00:16:16.477 --> 00:16:20.418 So I can't give this one up of, oh, well, they didn't know. 241 00:16:20.538 --> 00:16:21.119 They did know. 242 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:22.499 They had to know. 243 00:16:24.282 --> 00:16:29.543 Because a good businessman is thorough and a good team around and they will have a good team. 244 00:16:30.844 --> 00:16:33.004 And I don't get why they're spending so much money at Roma. 245 00:16:33.164 --> 00:16:38.466 The Premier League is the best and the most financially efficient league in the world. 246 00:16:39.706 --> 00:16:46.428 You're making three times, five times, possibly even ten times more in England than you are in Italy. 247 00:16:46.548 --> 00:16:47.588 Why are you spending more in Italy? 248 00:16:49.589 --> 00:16:52.050 Our league is worth ten times more than the Italian league. 249 00:16:52.310 --> 00:16:53.350 Why are you spending more in Italy? 250 00:16:54.940 --> 00:16:57.363 Our league is ten times more important than the Italian league. 251 00:16:57.383 --> 00:17:03.711 I'm sorry, the Italian league hasn't been great since someone was screaming, Go Lazio on Channel 4. 252 00:17:05.172 --> 00:17:07.315 No one cares anymore. 253 00:17:07.896 --> 00:17:09.117 The Italian league is just irrelevant. 254 00:17:10.453 --> 00:17:14.236 And I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but it's just the way it is. 255 00:17:14.616 --> 00:17:16.517 English football dominates world football. 256 00:17:16.717 --> 00:17:18.218 The Premier League is what it's all about. 257 00:17:18.659 --> 00:17:19.579 Everyone wants to be here. 258 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.361 We've had the best managers ever in this league. 259 00:17:23.362 --> 00:17:24.803 You know, it's financially driven. 260 00:17:26.244 --> 00:17:27.865 Just what are you... What's going on? 261 00:17:28.345 --> 00:17:28.986 But I agree, but... 262 00:17:30.948 --> 00:17:40.554 No matter where the clubs are financially, Roma are in Europe and they're potentially challenging for a title this season, albeit outsiders. 263 00:17:40.894 --> 00:17:45.157 Apparently, if they would have invested right, they could be outsiders to be in a title race. 264 00:17:45.938 --> 00:17:47.499 But financially... 265 00:17:48.796 --> 00:17:55.578 I don't know exactly, but there is more potential in the Premier League for earning money than there is anywhere else. 266 00:17:55.838 --> 00:17:56.678 That's true. 267 00:17:56.958 --> 00:18:00.819 And I don't know this, but I'm sure someone will come in and tell me I'm wrong. 268 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:09.841 But I reckon if you finish second in Serie A, I think you don't get as much money as you might do for finishing fifth in the Premier League. 269 00:18:09.881 --> 00:18:11.741 I would even go as far as staying in the top ten. 270 00:18:12.622 --> 00:18:14.002 I will go as far as staying in the top ten. 271 00:18:15.433 --> 00:18:20.817 So there is potential to earn money for the club by investing in us. 272 00:18:21.878 --> 00:18:27.082 And we haven't, and it just seems straight away now, well, we actually haven't got enough money to do that. 273 00:18:27.122 --> 00:18:30.205 What we've sort of been saying, we can't quite, 274 00:18:30.985 --> 00:18:39.608 make materialise and we need to sell players and then you go and sell... That, Skriona Harrison's your very first option because he's pure profit. 275 00:18:40.188 --> 00:18:41.628 So that's the way they see it, pure profit. 276 00:18:41.688 --> 00:18:47.750 And again, numbers we brought Illy for 15 to 17, something like that, maybe... 277 00:18:48.370 --> 00:18:53.415 And if you think about it, Harrison would have been £40 million, pure profit. 278 00:18:53.755 --> 00:18:56.077 We sold Illiman for £60 million with add-ons. 279 00:18:56.518 --> 00:18:59.781 That's pretty much close to the £40 million profit we were going to get there. 280 00:19:00.121 --> 00:19:02.603 And then James Garner's, I think he was £65 million. 281 00:19:02.643 --> 00:19:02.863 Yeah. 282 00:19:03.524 --> 00:19:10.570 there's pretty much a similar amount there's pretty much a similar amount that's making me start questioning does everyone know we need £40 million? 283 00:19:11.171 --> 00:19:28.507 do we need is there a figure that's out there that everyone knows we are £40 million behind PSR or whatever it's called now once again we need someone from the club £40 million off need someone from the club to come out and say we asked for this on the last episode somebody's got to come out from the club and address this situation 284 00:19:29.107 --> 00:19:30.308 They've got to. 285 00:19:30.368 --> 00:19:30.969 It's got to be done. 286 00:19:31.449 --> 00:19:32.610 There's just no two ways about it. 287 00:19:33.030 --> 00:19:34.352 We need to know what's going on. 288 00:19:35.172 --> 00:19:37.354 Because everyone being silent isn't good. 289 00:19:38.375 --> 00:19:42.098 And now you've got this thing coming out about we need investors. 290 00:19:42.619 --> 00:19:43.800 What do you mean we need investors? 291 00:19:44.220 --> 00:19:45.481 We've only just recently been born. 292 00:19:45.501 --> 00:19:47.743 You've only been in control for five minutes and now you need help. 293 00:19:48.824 --> 00:19:49.445 I mean this... 294 00:19:50.065 --> 00:19:51.847 This feels like a bad nightmare all over again. 295 00:19:52.487 --> 00:19:54.409 I feel like Freddy Krueger's gonna come out of the next door. 296 00:19:56.013 --> 00:19:59.814 It's like a nightmare, it is. 297 00:19:59.895 --> 00:20:02.456

It's not a nightmare now, it's a nightmare coming out of Brown anymore. 298 00:20:04.256 --> 00:20:06.117 It's just frightening. 299 00:20:06.737 --> 00:20:11.879 I'm so happy we've got the right manager back, but ultimately, he can't do anything if his hands are tied. 300 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:15.101 You're taking away the players that he's got, that he's been doing well with. 301 00:20:15.541 --> 00:20:20.263 I mean, we were on for Europe with four games to go, it was in our hands, and it slips. 302 00:20:20.463 --> 00:20:22.243 Could you imagine if we'd have got Europe? 303 00:20:22.844 --> 00:20:23.364 Could you imagine? 304 00:20:23.384 --> 00:20:23.744 Could you imagine? 305 00:20:24.906 --> 00:20:25.787 Well, I think that's what they want. 306 00:20:25.807 --> 00:20:41.957 I think that's why they came out and acted like they were so furious because it would seem now that despite it being a stretch from where we started at the start of the season, it not being a thought process, I think they've got to a position where they thought, wow, if we get in Europe, this will paper over the cracks that we've got. 307 00:20:42.157 --> 00:20:43.218 Suddenly people won't notice. 308 00:20:43.258 --> 00:20:47.220 We'll be in Europe and that'll do it. 309 00:20:47.661 --> 00:20:49.322 And then the reality hits. 310 00:20:49.362 --> 00:20:50.683 We don't get there, although we should. 311 00:20:51.483 --> 00:20:54.265 And then it becomes, oh, then your anger comes out. 312 00:20:54.285 --> 00:20:57.027 We've nearly been able to pay for all the cracks. 313 00:20:57.207 --> 00:20:58.708 You should have been able to do that. 314 00:20:59.889 --> 00:21:04.172 But as you said, how are we going to do that with half a squad? 315 00:21:04.412 --> 00:21:05.052 One striker? 316 00:21:06.954 --> 00:21:08.875 One striker. 317 00:21:09.295 --> 00:21:15.840 We must be the only club in the history of world football to have more stadiums than strikers. 318 00:21:15.860 --> 00:21:16.900 I don't know what you're going to say. 319 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:19.182 We own more stadiums than we do strikers. 320 00:21:20.968 --> 00:21:21.728 Let that sink in. 321 00:21:22.809 --> 00:21:25.050 We've got Goodison Park and Hill Dickinson. 322 00:21:27.310 --> 00:21:28.451 Where does the book lie here then? 323 00:21:29.451 --> 00:21:30.752 Is TFG to blame? 324 00:21:30.932 --> 00:21:35.774 Is it poor planning from the people that they employ in the club who make the football decisions of who Moyes is going to sign? 325 00:21:36.054 --> 00:21:39.215 I think we're all in the clear that this isn't Moyes, this isn't players. 326 00:21:39.235 --> 00:21:41.296 That's obviously completely separate and we're looking good on that side. 327 00:21:42.856 --> 00:21:47.618 But is this a TFG problem or is this a CEO ball problem within the club? 328 00:21:52.642 --> 00:22:14.538 Because CFG could say we were willing to spend And then we've let people do their jobs And then they've made a hash of

it By not bringing in who's meant to come in The honest answer is I don't know right now I mean this is only just all coming out It's yesterday, tonight, this morning Thinking through 329 00:22:16.590 --> 00:22:45.502 with regards to the transfers and with it's alright with regards did you hear me statement about the two stadiums bit I already knew it mate absolutely brilliant you only haven't could do it more stadiums than strikers it's fantastic isn't it unbelievable but anyway we're talking we've got more stadiums than left backs we've got more stadiums than right backs than right backs than left backs we've got more stadiums than forwards it's just it's an embarrassment you know you might as well put the chuckle brothers in charge of us 330 00:22:47.411 --> 00:23:07.388 Sounds like they are Look That's about the third Decent joke you've made But I'm just not in a laughing place At the minute I just can't I can't bring myself I can't bring myself to laugh I'm not laughing I'm going to cry It's that sad It's ruining my life I'm only two weeks into the season It's ruining my life When we're two weeks into the season I'm not 331 00:23:08.089 --> 00:23:14.576 Yeah, so Liam was just asking and I didn't quite know the answer and I was trying to figure it out as I was going. 332 00:23:15.137 --> 00:23:20.643 Is this the hierarchy of the club's fault or is this the ownership's fault? 333 00:23:21.444 --> 00:23:23.967 Yeah, with the point being... Is that the same thing? 334 00:23:24.508 --> 00:23:25.729 Well, no, because TFG could say 335 00:23:26.682 --> 00:23:27.963 that we were willing to spend. 336 00:23:28.123 --> 00:23:33.467 And then there's people who we've got at the club who are paid to make the decisions of who we bring in. 337 00:23:33.787 --> 00:23:40.893 Now, obviously, they're going to be involved in transfer business and in those conversations, but they're not going to be the ones on the phone with Balogun's agents. 338 00:23:41.173 --> 00:23:42.834 I wouldn't think so anyway. 339 00:23:42.994 --> 00:23:47.037 I might be wrong, but I would think that we've got people in the club who are employed to do that. 340 00:23:47.317 --> 00:23:48.038 Definitely. 341 00:23:48.138 --> 00:23:50.940 Could TFGs turn around and say, look, we were willing to spend. 342 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:54.483 You could see that we put the money there to get Balogun. 343 00:23:54.843 --> 00:24:02.965 But the people in charge of bringing in the right players have actually caused that much of a mess and left it that late that actually this is on them. 344 00:24:03.345 --> 00:24:04.725 Right, I think a bit of both. 345 00:24:04.745 --> 00:24:20.869 I just haven't had the time to work it through because as much as your CEOs and your people have got the job to do, they are still doing it within the restrictions and the fines of what the ownership are allowing them to do. 346 00:24:20.969 --> 00:24:23.910 So, for instance, if the ownership said to... 347 00:24:25.270 --> 00:24:34.156 people buying the players, Angus Kinnear, whoever it might be, you've got 150 million, go and get us five players, good luck, report back later, then that's easy. 348 00:24:34.296 --> 00:24:48.806 But if they're saying, right, we need you to get, if their message to him and his working mandate through this situation is, we want you to buy at least five players, a full, right back, a striker, but we've actually only got 349 00:24:49.606 --> 00:24:51.787 In fact, no, you're going to have to make money while you do it. 350 00:24:51.947 --> 00:24:56.168 So you're going to have to sell our players to make that money, but make sure you buy these five players. 351 00:24:56.548 --> 00:25:02.290 If that's the story coming out, then wow, you're hoping you've got Adele boy on your hand who's an amazing wheel and a dealer. 352 00:25:04.431 --> 00:25:08.372 So it depends on the messages from the top, but 353 00:25:09.557 --> 00:25:21.507 when you're going and leaving it all to the last day, when things go against you, when you are the team getting burnt, I mean, this may have happened and Ballingham gets done and we all say, oh, that was great and it all worked out great. 354 00:25:21.527 --> 00:25:25.570 But the fact that we were the team to get burnt, there is obvious uproar. 355 00:25:25.970 --> 00:25:29.133 There is obviously people at fault, at blame. 356 00:25:29.953 --> 00:25:30.674 People didn't get done. 357 00:25:30.694 --> 00:25:34.998 And that's even before we got on to the actual, what the player decided to do. 358 00:25:35.038 --> 00:25:35.258 So... 359 00:25:36.681 --> 00:25:44.484 It depends on the messages from the top, but the messages from the top seem like we need to make money as we're trying to improve our squad, which is for even a CEO. 360 00:25:45.904 --> 00:25:56.408 I'm happy you're liking this to Del Boy and Only Fools because it was Rodney and Dave who've been working and Del Boy was telling them off trying to get them to do what he wanted them to do. 361 00:25:57.128 --> 00:25:59.309 And Rodney and Dave took over the plans. 362 00:25:59.369 --> 00:26:00.509 That's exactly what's happened. 363 00:26:00.809 --> 00:26:02.230 So how many brushes did we sell? 364 00:26:03.523 --> 00:26:10.126 We've had the same brush for 20 years, 14 handles and 16 new heads. 365 00:26:10.987 --> 00:26:12.747 That's it. 366 00:26:12.767 --> 00:26:13.128 That's it. 367 00:26:14.208 --> 00:26:14.548 That's it. 368 00:26:14.568 --> 00:26:15.188 That's what's happened. 369 00:26:16.089 --> 00:26:16.989 It's ridiculous. 370 00:26:17.390 --> 00:26:18.570 And it's worrying. 371 00:26:18.670 --> 00:26:19.731 It's petrifying to me. 372 00:26:20.551 --> 00:26:22.092 It could be the end of the football club. 373 00:26:22.952 --> 00:26:30.916 Because if you keep going with this, like what you're doing is you're taking away our assets slowly but surely and just not replacing them. 374 00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:35.462 And I don't want to hear of like,

oh, well, we've got Illumina and Jai and we've got Jack Eilish. 375 00:26:36.562 --> 00:26:38.363 No, no, no, stop. 376 00:26:38.603 --> 00:26:39.884 Five players have gone out the door. 377 00:26:40.944 --> 00:26:43.146 Five players who were in and amongst the first team. 378 00:26:44.746 --> 00:26:45.627 And what have we got back? 379 00:26:45.987 --> 00:26:50.109 Two, three taps. 380 00:26:50.129 --> 00:26:51.149 The numbers just don't lie. 381 00:26:51.930 --> 00:26:55.592 It feels to me, personal opinion, that it just feels like poor planning. 382 00:26:56.112 --> 00:26:56.292 Yeah. 383 00:26:57.779 --> 00:26:59.821 It looks throughout the window that they were willing to spend. 384 00:26:59.881 --> 00:27:05.407 And the reports that came out across the window, it seemed like they knew what priorities they had. 385 00:27:05.428 --> 00:27:07.209 They just didn't go out and do it. 386 00:27:07.229 --> 00:27:13.697 And I'm not sure whose responsibility it was to get these deals over the line, whether it was CFG, whether it's the board, whether it's whoever. 387 00:27:14.177 --> 00:27:23.043 But I think it's unforgivable that we've got to this point now and we are the club that has been because we should have been a club that was, you know, our goal over the last two years has been stability. 388 00:27:23.123 --> 00:27:24.725 We've all said that a million times. 389 00:27:25.065 --> 00:27:30.769 So now to turn around and be in this position where we actually look a lot more unstable than what we were is not right. 390 00:27:31.209 --> 00:27:41.737 It just shows that, you know, we were quite loud and criticised a little bit for saying, when people were saying, let's change manager now, let's go and get a manager that can make us win, let's go get a manager that... 391 00:27:42.798 --> 00:27:46.702 And we were saying we need at least one more year to actually prove this stability. 392 00:27:47.302 --> 00:27:49.385 And this shows we weren't ready. 393 00:27:49.885 --> 00:27:51.467 We're not ready for that. 394 00:27:51.507 --> 00:27:54.630 We are far from stable at the moment. 395 00:27:54.870 --> 00:28:02.098 So I would say it's good that we've got a manager that, whether you like his football or not, whether you believe him or not, knows how to get Premier League results. 396 00:28:03.487 --> 00:28:17.735 But it also makes me realise, I mean, that press conference last week, and we spoke about it when he basically said, the questions were asked about people coming in and going, money within the club, things working in the background, all of the above. 397 00:28:18.596 --> 00:28:24.039 And he struggled to answer it, David Moyes, but then said, the one message I tell you is his, 398 00:28:25.465 --> 00:28:26.788 I'm an Evertonian. 399 00:28:27.129 --> 00:28:28.271 And we all understood that. 400 00:28:28.872 --> 00:28:30.315 That he's tried his best forever. 401 00:28:30.375 --> 00:28:31.678 And he's got his best interest. 402 00:28:31.738 --> 00:28:36.328 He's trying to maybe let the non-businessman people know. 403 00:28:37.403 --> 00:28:42.305 that there is an Evertonian voice in there somewhere. 404 00:28:43.106 --> 00:28:50.269 And he said it through a bit of anguish, it seemed, a bit of pain, a bit of tiredness even, of maybe having the same fight. 405 00:28:50.909 --> 00:28:55.091 But it shows that the club is far from stable at the moment. 406 00:28:55.671 --> 00:28:59.833 And this transfer window and the players going out, and as Tony said, five players out. 407 00:29:00.153 --> 00:29:02.855 And then three of them might have been fringe, as new. 408 00:29:03.535 --> 00:29:04.476 Yes, he was a left-back. 409 00:29:04.696 --> 00:29:06.277 He didn't play last season. 410 00:29:06.397 --> 00:29:08.398 He accepted like a cup game and something. 411 00:29:08.418 --> 00:29:11.280 So he made a bit of a place. 412 00:29:11.500 --> 00:29:13.802 Probably did need a little bit of loan. 413 00:29:13.862 --> 00:29:16.224 So I kind of understood the Asnew one. 414 00:29:16.304 --> 00:29:17.644 I understood that move. 415 00:29:18.205 --> 00:29:19.686 He needs a bit more physicality. 416 00:29:19.706 --> 00:29:21.167 He needs to go play regular football. 417 00:29:22.127 --> 00:29:29.531 Patterson was never getting a game, and I didn't think he was capable of playing, despite what other people's opinion might be. 418 00:29:29.551 --> 00:29:32.253 Mine is that he wasn't quite to the standard. 419 00:29:32.633 --> 00:29:33.654 So I understood those two. 420 00:29:34.534 --> 00:29:42.459 Irabunum, okay, maybe we had a few midfielders, but I still would have kept him, because he could play either full-back as well. 421 00:29:42.499 --> 00:29:43.319 He's played right back. 422 00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:43.979 He's covered there. 423 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:44.480 He can do... 424 00:29:45.393 --> 00:29:47.194 a good all-round job. 425 00:29:48.835 --> 00:29:51.876 Illiman and Dye, Jesus, didn't want him to go. 426 00:29:52.416 --> 00:29:59.560 If he is forcing his way out the club, which I didn't think he forced his way out, but if he did, it had to be for a lot more money. 427 00:29:59.800 --> 00:30:01.041 It really, really did. 428 00:30:01.541 --> 00:30:03.202 It had to be for a lot more money. 429 00:30:03.602 --> 00:30:05.783 And then Beto, who... 430 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:11.721 We cannot sell until... We can't be that team that sells thinking, it's fine, we've got one coming. 431 00:30:12.021 --> 00:30:18.783 Most of the teams, like... Well, most of the teams, they will let one player go once they get the next one in. 432 00:30:18.803 --> 00:30:19.983 That's the way the dominoes work. 433 00:30:20.583 --> 00:30:21.524 We can't let him go. 434 00:30:22.364 --> 00:30:25.245 until we've got a player. 435 00:30:25.585 --> 00:30:26.685 I didn't think the price was bad. 436 00:30:26.885 --> 00:30:31.107 I didn't think the thought of letting him go if we're getting another striker in was the wrong

idea. 437 00:30:31.747 --> 00:30:34.148 But we cannot let him go until... 438 00:30:34.188 --> 00:30:35.348 So two of them I understood. 439 00:30:35.508 --> 00:30:36.548 Two of them I was against. 440 00:30:36.988 --> 00:30:39.169 And one of them was just poor. 441 00:30:39.189 --> 00:30:41.150 Do you know he was having soft scoring last season? 442 00:30:41.650 --> 00:30:42.610 Yeah, he was. 443 00:30:42.630 --> 00:30:43.090 Beto, yeah. 444 00:30:43.110 --> 00:30:44.791 Do you know we've just lost 17 goals? 445 00:30:44.811 --> 00:30:48.092 I think we scored 47 goals last season we scored. 446 00:30:48.112 --> 00:30:50.913 Do you know between Illiman and Beto, that's 17 gone? 447 00:30:52.293 --> 00:31:19.827 I didn't realise it was as high as that Yeah, because I don't think as much as Jack will bring chances I don't think Jack brings goals He's not a goal scorer Illy didn't score loads last season I loved Illy and wanted him to stay But he didn't actually score a lot of goals Not badly, it's what he gives you It's what he gives you going backwards, going forwards It's what he creates Yeah, I totally agree And that's what Manchester City are going to see in Illy and Menendie 448 00:31:20.667 --> 00:31:26.089 The more Illumina Dye plays at City, the more people go, oh, wow, oh, really, he was that good. 449 00:31:27.469 --> 00:31:30.730 I think he will shine brightly there, but it's just worrying, mate. 450 00:31:31.010 --> 00:31:34.451 If he brings them end product, that's the one thing he didn't do enough. 451 00:31:34.671 --> 00:31:38.292 The worry he's trying to give end product to us, I think. 452 00:31:38.952 --> 00:31:40.013 Yeah, maybe, yeah. 453 00:31:40.193 --> 00:31:43.334 Plays it through to Erling scoring goals, isn't he? 454 00:31:43.694 --> 00:31:45.394 You keep putting in the Viking, it's over. 455 00:31:47.985 --> 00:31:51.287 Trust me, because he's the best number nine I think I've ever seen in my life. 456 00:31:52.568 --> 00:31:54.069 He's frightening. 457 00:31:54.189 --> 00:31:56.471 And Illiman and Dye will just create, create, create. 458 00:31:56.731 --> 00:31:57.752 He will win you free kicks. 459 00:31:57.772 --> 00:31:58.793 He will win you penalties. 460 00:31:59.193 --> 00:32:00.053 Tricky, quick. 461 00:32:01.955 --> 00:32:04.817 I will say he'll enjoy playing there. 462 00:32:04.837 --> 00:32:07.559 Playing in the same team as Foden and Cherky. 463 00:32:08.299 --> 00:32:08.780 Yeah. 464 00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:10.621 Cherky one on each side. 465 00:32:10.821 --> 00:32:12.422 And then you haven't even got Dockle on the picture. 466 00:32:12.442 --> 00:32:12.602 No. 467 00:32:13.223 --> 00:32:13.463 No. 468 00:32:14.618 --> 00:32:18.679 They've just signed a new winger, Alan, from Palmeiras as well. 469 00:32:19.139 --> 00:32:23.700 I mean, they have... How many did he once could he get, as usual? 470 00:32:23.800 --> 00:32:31.561 We were talking about Chelsea being the greatest rivals and City having a drop, especially if Rodri left. 471 00:32:31.581 --> 00:32:32.242 That was my thought. 472 00:32:32.262 --> 00:32:35.562 But, wow, talk about buying your way back into the title race. 473 00:32:36.142 --> 00:32:38.503 And, again, coming back to that, making the point is... 474 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:40.680 We're always up against it. 475 00:32:40.940 --> 00:32:42.101 Us, Villa, Newcastle. 476 00:32:42.521 --> 00:32:43.881 We wouldn't be able to spend that much money. 477 00:32:44.261 --> 00:32:45.561 I don't know how Tottenham still can. 478 00:32:46.141 --> 00:32:55.503 But because they did it at the start, Chelsea, Man City have bought their long-term success. 479 00:32:55.563 --> 00:32:58.544 Now, no one else is in a position to be able to invest and do it. 480 00:32:58.964 --> 00:33:02.465 So owners who see the opportunity to buy in Everton now are thinking, 481 00:33:03.325 --> 00:33:08.967 There's always going to be a limit to what we can do and what we can achieve and what we can spend until they change the rules. 482 00:33:09.367 --> 00:33:11.488 There's always going to be a cap. 483 00:33:12.169 --> 00:33:19.231 And if I can only invest money to a certain point and there's always a cap of where we can go, maybe that's not really worth it. 484 00:33:19.331 --> 00:33:20.192 Maybe that's not for me. 485 00:33:20.772 --> 00:33:25.494 Because the likes of, obviously, Liverpool, City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal... 486 00:33:26.414 --> 00:33:27.715 They can kind of spend what they want. 487 00:33:27.915 --> 00:33:29.935 And I saw the graph of the other day. 488 00:33:29.955 --> 00:33:30.356 I don't know. 489 00:33:30.376 --> 00:33:31.336 Did I take a picture of it? 490 00:33:31.776 --> 00:33:35.878 The other day of how much teams have spent since the Premier League started. 491 00:33:36.638 --> 00:33:39.699 And Chelsea have spent £2 billion. 492 00:33:40.580 --> 00:33:41.300 Yeah, it did, yeah. 493 00:33:41.760 --> 00:33:43.441 Chelsea have spent £3.83 billion on players. 494 00:33:46.822 --> 00:33:47.863 since the Premier League started. 495 00:33:47.883 --> 00:33:49.523 Michael spent a billion on his own and Arsenal. 496 00:33:49.583 --> 00:33:50.364 Michael spent a billion. 497 00:33:50.644 --> 00:33:57.267 Man City have spent 3.21 billion on players since the Premier League started in 92-93. 498 00:33:57.347 --> 00:33:58.388 How much have the side spent? 499 00:33:59.148 --> 00:34:05.291 United have spent 2.66 billion and Liverpool have also, it says here, spent 2.66 billion. 500 00:34:05.511 --> 00:34:07.212 And then numbers might be slightly wrong. 501 00:34:07.232 --> 00:34:12.715 I'm not saying they're exact, but apparently they're the top four spenders in the Premier League era. 502 00:34:12.755 --> 00:34:14.416 Now, Man United and Liverpool are historical... 503 00:34:15.972 --> 00:34:17.353 historical teams in that sense. 504 00:34:17.373 --> 00:34:20.996 But City and Chelsea have bought their way into success. 505 00:34:21.677 -->

00:34:26.120 They don't have the long-term, older success that generated the revenue. 506 00:34:26.621 --> 00:34:28.803 Those two got in and spent their money at the right time. 507 00:34:28.843 --> 00:34:29.803 Maybe Chelsea did it. 508 00:34:30.544 --> 00:34:33.086 Maybe they both did it wrong, but they both did it under the radar. 509 00:34:33.126 --> 00:34:37.770 And now no one else, they've basically cut that loophole off and no one else can do it. 510 00:34:37.830 --> 00:34:39.551 And now that's one of the reasons why we struggle. 511 00:34:40.212 --> 00:34:41.793 It's a big can of worms, though. 512 00:34:41.853 --> 00:34:42.834 It's a can of worms, isn't it? 513 00:34:42.874 --> 00:34:43.254 Because... 514 00:34:44.115 --> 00:34:51.839 I totally think that, I don't know how you would change the rules to make sure that every team has a fighting chance to try and do that based on how much money they bring in and whatnot. 515 00:34:51.859 --> 00:35:01.704 But if football continues to go in this way, where then Aston Villa can spend what they want, Newcastle can spend what they want, Tottenham can spend what they want, Everton can spend what they want, transfer prices then go sky high. 516 00:35:01.864 --> 00:35:04.045 Everyone starts buying people for £120 million. 517 00:35:04.826 --> 00:35:10.549 In sort of financial terms, there's going to be a time when that balloon pops because the amount of money that is being spent... 518 00:35:11.229 --> 00:35:21.222 in football it's not sustainable so is this just the way the football is inevitably going no do you know what the way is do you know what the way do you know the best way to do it is spend what you want take the hit next season you'll be sad 519 00:35:22.147 --> 00:35:25.730 Because if you spend what you want and get the job done, you're not going to get relegated. 520 00:35:25.750 --> 00:35:27.651 You're going to have enough points to be able to take the hit. 521 00:35:28.232 --> 00:35:29.332 I mean, it doesn't matter. 522 00:35:29.372 --> 00:35:31.894 Whoever spends it, they're just going to deduct Everton 10 points anyway. 523 00:35:32.455 --> 00:35:33.796 So we might as well just do it. 524 00:35:34.836 --> 00:35:44.243 Nottingham Forest spent, when they came up, they spent a lot of money, took a points deduction the next season, but got enough points with the players they'd bought to stay up. 525 00:35:44.764 --> 00:35:46.205 Ipswich might be having a go at it now. 526 00:35:46.265 --> 00:35:48.987 I didn't know if they did, but Ipswich has spent well over £100 million. 527 00:35:49.007 --> 00:35:49.627 Should have been? 528 00:35:50.368 --> 00:36:09.305 this year and on one player now brings me back to them I'm glad I remembered that on one player I probably would have had a look at they've just spent £20 million on Zayam Fleming Zayam Fleming from Burnley right he scored 12 goals in the Premier League for them last year I think it was 12 in the Premier League for them last year more than any of our strikers scored and he's played for Burnley 529 00:36:10.560 --> 00:36:12.983 And from what I saw from his game, I thought it was all right. 530 00:36:13.003 --> 00:36:14.584 And that was £20 million. 531 00:36:14.865 --> 00:36:16.426 For a striker, that's a drop of hat. 532 00:36:16.927 --> 00:36:18.908 How old was yours? 533 00:36:19.069 --> 00:36:20.370 20, mid to late 20s. 534 00:36:20.990 --> 00:36:21.411 All day. 535 00:36:22.092 --> 00:36:23.473 All day. 536 00:36:23.593 --> 00:36:26.176 But still got time ahead of him. 537 00:36:26.216 --> 00:36:30.380 So just when we think there's no business out there, I thought that would have been... 538 00:36:31.334 --> 00:36:32.435 I'd have been one to have a look at. 539 00:36:33.156 --> 00:36:35.197 He holds the ball up well. 540 00:36:35.357 --> 00:36:37.940 He's not a top of the Premier League striker by any stretch of the imagination. 541 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:38.680 Checking your goals though. 542 00:36:39.301 --> 00:36:45.226 But he's going to get your goals and he can hold the ball up and he runs the channels and he's technically okay. 543 00:36:45.406 --> 00:36:52.012 What we can all agree on is he's more of a sure thing than Balogun would have been coming into the Premier League. 544 00:36:53.018 --> 00:36:53.658 Because he's proven. 545 00:36:53.678 --> 00:36:54.619 He's Premier League proven. 546 00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:56.300 So that's what you've got to just say. 547 00:36:56.340 --> 00:36:58.622 Quite simply, he's more proven than Balogun. 548 00:36:58.822 --> 00:37:06.206 And if you're willing to take a 50 million risk on someone who hasn't played in the Premier League yet, why aren't you willing to go and throw 20 million quid at this fella? 549 00:37:06.546 --> 00:37:08.107 Who scores, like you said, 12 goals. 550 00:37:08.187 --> 00:37:14.732 That's the exact same way as people listening will get wrapped up in the sense of... That's why... 551 00:37:16.447 --> 00:37:24.174 Johnny, sorry, David Moisinho would be, sounds like a great manager, but David Moyes sounds like a terrible manager. 552 00:37:24.234 --> 00:37:32.242 Just the foreign uncertainty and unknown always makes managers, oh, we've never heard of him. 553 00:37:32.262 --> 00:37:32.883 Who's he manager? 554 00:37:32.943 --> 00:37:33.924 Oh, he must be great. 555 00:37:34.664 --> 00:37:39.369 So, for instance, Pierre Sarge and Marco Roser have come in this year. 556 00:37:41.458 --> 00:37:45.499 And Yassler, Yassler for Newcastle. 557 00:37:46.180 --> 00:37:48.561 They've come in, haven't done well for other clubs. 558 00:37:48.601 --> 00:37:49.681 They better all be brilliant then. 559 00:37:51.622 --> 00:37:52.922 Just worry, I say worries me. 560 00:37:52.942 --> 00:37:56.663 I mean, as soon as he, an American, comes into the Premier League, I'm not going to lie, I'm worried. 561 00:37:57.444 --> 00:38:01.425 Because, you know, who was teaching him to play football? 562 00:38:01.825 -->

00:38:03.426 I mean, what has he learned in high school? 563 00:38:03.866 --> 00:38:05.227 He grew up at Arsenal, though. 564 00:38:05.267 --> 00:38:06.927 Sorry, he came through at Arsenal. 565 00:38:07.247 --> 00:38:08.848 He's classed as a homegrown player. 566 00:38:10.949 --> 00:38:25.915 and we've had some success with Americans down the years we have Brian McBride Joe Max Tim Howard Landon Donovan Tim Howard we've had as much success as anyone Tim Howard's the best one but you've got to understand he's using his hands and he's a goalkeeper 567 00:38:26.615 --> 00:38:28.176 Yeah, he played basketball all his life. 568 00:38:28.196 --> 00:38:29.156 Do you know what I'm saying? 569 00:38:29.256 --> 00:38:31.818 He's not going to drop the ball, is he, at the end of the day? 570 00:38:31.838 --> 00:38:33.219 And he's going to keep it out. 571 00:38:33.659 --> 00:38:37.821 He was too short to play wide receiver, so he became a goalie. 572 00:38:37.841 --> 00:38:38.461 That kind of thing. 573 00:38:39.082 --> 00:38:40.823 It's just worrying, mate, as I said. 574 00:38:41.363 --> 00:38:42.083 This should have been... 575 00:38:42.103 --> 00:38:46.506 There's so many, and then now you're looking at the free market now, and I don't know much about this. 576 00:38:46.546 --> 00:38:48.747 I'm sure you'll know more, but the likes of... 577 00:38:50.188 --> 00:39:05.868 Jamie Vardy are in there Karim Benzema is in there I mean what do you do now because you're in a position where you have to get someone through the door like I'm sorry but you've you've got to like I was no one looking at Callum Wilson 578 00:39:06.988 --> 00:39:10.511 I was no, I mean, they're going on Tammy Abraham and stuff like that. 579 00:39:10.931 --> 00:39:14.434 And Alan Wilson's just signed for... Brentford? 580 00:39:14.754 --> 00:39:15.575 He's at Brentford, yeah. 581 00:39:15.695 --> 00:39:16.455 But he went to the earlier. 582 00:39:16.475 --> 00:39:17.776 He just signed for Brentford this summer. 583 00:39:18.177 --> 00:39:18.397 Yeah. 584 00:39:18.597 --> 00:39:20.498 And why was no one just loving him as a quick fix? 585 00:39:20.518 --> 00:39:20.739 For a free. 586 00:39:20.779 --> 00:39:26.043 I'm not saying he's the permanent thing to do, but, you know, and sign someone who just scores against Defton. 587 00:39:26.563 --> 00:39:30.910 Because if I swear to God, if I see that fella walk on the pitch when we play them, I'm running at him. 588 00:39:31.330 --> 00:39:33.493 I'm tackling him before he gets on the pitch. 589 00:39:33.614 --> 00:39:37.279 Because I can't take any more of him coming to Goodison or coming to Dickinson. 590 00:39:37.640 --> 00:39:39.262 That fella just loves to score against Devon. 591 00:39:39.282 --> 00:39:41.125 So just if you can't beat them, join them. 592 00:39:42.551 --> 00:39:51.633 So what your transfer policy is, basically, is which of the strikers out there that love to score against Everton, let's sign them so they can't do that anymore. 593 00:39:52.153 --> 00:39:52.353 Yeah. 594 00:39:52.573 --> 00:39:53.794 So let's go and get Haaland. 595 00:39:53.854 --> 00:39:54.614 Let's go and get it. 596 00:39:54.634 --> 00:39:56.374 Let's just get them all. 597 00:39:56.734 --> 00:39:58.935 If everyone scores against Everton, I don't know. 598 00:39:58.995 --> 00:40:00.755 I'm just so beaten up by it all. 599 00:40:01.355 --> 00:40:02.595 It's just so disappointing. 600 00:40:02.735 --> 00:40:09.097 And I felt great yesterday, but now I just feel so low thinking about what's ahead. 601 00:40:10.023 --> 00:40:16.409 because I was hoping someone would have come out with an explanation to explain why what's being done has been done. 602 00:40:16.529 --> 00:40:26.237 Before we move into the team ahead of Sunday's game against Manchester United, what do you actually then think is the answer now to see from the club in light of all this? 603 00:40:28.899 --> 00:40:30.481 They've got to let people know what's going on. 604 00:40:30.941 --> 00:40:31.842 You know, you've got people... 605 00:40:32.754 --> 00:40:50.975 who make the flags or the Tfimo whatever the cold going we're not doing it no more we spend a lot of our hard earned time and a lot of our hard earned money trying to provide things that pick the club and lift the spirits to the ground then you've got other people putting in you know we can't spend in the club very few people I'm not going to lie very few are going to listen to them 606 00:40:51.515 --> 00:40:58.098 You know, but there will be a part that does listen to them and they will find a way of getting to them. 607 00:40:58.118 --> 00:41:00.900 But ultimately, this can all be stopped and put to bed. 608 00:41:01.460 --> 00:41:08.984 If someone at the club just comes out and tells us what's going on, because we're all big enough and ugly enough to deal with it and accept it. 609 00:41:09.284 --> 00:41:11.105 But if you give us the facts and say, you know what, guys? 610 00:41:12.351 --> 00:41:33.386 we're adhering to financial fair play, we're behind him, we had to get money in, you know, we thought the best way possible was to sell the youngest player who we didn't think was playing enough, that's why we agreed to sell him, we wanted to keep Illumina and Die, but he's not signed a contract, so we've got to let him go, you know, before we lose more value in him, and I'm just saying things randomly, off the top of my head, he's trying to help people out, I don't know, 611 00:41:34.375 --> 00:41:35.095 I haven't got a clue. 612 00:41:35.335 --> 00:41:36.816 I'm the same person as everyone else. 613 00:41:36.856 --> 00:41:38.736 I'm paying season ticket all day. 614 00:41:39.156 --> 00:41:40.077 I ain't got a clue. 615 00:41:40.697 --> 00:41:47.959 And, you know, so I don't know any more than anyone else and all else I ever get on my social media is abuse going, ah, he's Mr. Freebie, Mr. 616 00:41:47.979 --> 00:41:49.319 Dark, because he's Bill's mate. 617 00:41:50.159

--> 00:41:52.300 I'm sorry to inform you all, but, 618 00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:56.865 couldn't give a shit about any freebie ticket or anything like that. 619 00:41:57.145 --> 00:42:03.713 I turn up at the match, I pay for my season ticket every year, and have done for many years, and I go as a fan. 620 00:42:03.794 --> 00:42:05.696 I don't know anything more, anything less. 621 00:42:06.197 --> 00:42:06.958 It is what it is. 622 00:42:07.418 --> 00:42:07.578 And... 623 00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:27.010 I'm coming out and saying it because I'm a passionate fan because that's all as I am and we need an explanation exactly we're all the same we're all in the same boat whether we're in the media whether we know people at the club we're all still in the same boat because no one's speaking to the owners I mean they haven't even been to the ground yet and I believe this weekend's going to be the first time they've ever been to the ground 624 00:42:28.236 --> 00:42:29.738 I'd be surprised if they still come. 625 00:42:29.778 --> 00:42:32.000 I was going to say, retreat. 626 00:42:32.040 --> 00:42:39.127 So you're here, but it would be fitting if it was this week, because then we can get some of the answers that we just need. 627 00:42:39.588 --> 00:42:45.053 Because if we don't get answers this weekend, it's not going to be a nice atmosphere at the Hill Dickinson. 628 00:42:45.614 --> 00:42:46.595 That's as simple as that. 629 00:42:47.156 --> 00:42:56.406 It'd be a stronger stance if they did come, actually, and say that we're happy to own our mistakes and say what they were or not say what they were and just say, we've made mistakes. 630 00:42:56.706 --> 00:42:58.228 But if they come on and say something. 631 00:42:58.368 --> 00:42:59.910 We still want to invest in this club. 632 00:43:00.323 --> 00:43:02.726 But if they come out and say something, maybe it's not mistakes. 633 00:43:02.786 --> 00:43:05.569 If they come out and just tell us the truth, maybe it's not mistakes. 634 00:43:05.589 --> 00:43:07.431 Maybe there's reasons why they've had to do what they've done. 635 00:43:07.851 --> 00:43:10.134 Ozzy might be spot on with how they've had to balance the books. 636 00:43:10.915 --> 00:43:14.298 But if you're not telling us, it's all cloak and dagger, no one knows. 637 00:43:14.919 --> 00:43:17.102 So just tell us the harsh truth. 638 00:43:17.402 --> 00:43:19.925 Like I've just said before, we're all big enough and ugly enough. 639 00:43:19.945 --> 00:43:21.847 And believe you me, mate, we're all... 640 00:43:23.213 --> 00:43:45.203 mentally strong enough to take whatever you tell us because we've been through that much at our football club we can take anything so just tell us the truth it's not you don't think anymore i don't think they're coming sunday and the reason i'll say that is just this morning uh i got asked if i wouldn't if i would like to sit and watch the game in the boardroom which 641 00:43:47.016 --> 00:43:48.638 They're going to let

you know. 642 00:43:49.178 --> 00:43:53.563 Which, first of all, I was like, oh my God, what an opportunity that is to sit on a boardroom and watch the game. 643 00:43:53.583 --> 00:43:56.746 And then I was like, oh my God. 644 00:43:57.547 --> 00:43:58.248 That's going to be... 645 00:43:58.328 --> 00:44:01.150 I might be so abusive at the boardroom. 646 00:44:01.170 --> 00:44:02.172 I'm going to say, yeah. 647 00:44:02.292 --> 00:44:05.135 I'm not sure I want to... You'll be standing there and they'll be like... 648 00:44:05.715 --> 00:44:07.377 It's Aussies, falsies and cahoots. 649 00:44:08.317 --> 00:44:09.859 Aussie looks great with his flat cap on. 650 00:44:09.999 --> 00:44:12.881 Believe you, he'll have that flat cap on this week. 651 00:44:12.901 --> 00:44:13.882 I'm not turning it down. 652 00:44:13.902 --> 00:44:18.126 I usually use the season tickets when I can go to the game that I have with the kids, as you were just saying. 653 00:44:18.146 --> 00:44:20.868 But I think I'm going to go and see what happens. 654 00:44:20.908 --> 00:44:23.510 But I've only just been asked to be empty. 655 00:44:24.111 --> 00:44:27.513 So that tells me that there are suddenly seats available that... 656 00:44:28.234 --> 00:44:53.900 that weren't supposed to be available that weren't going to be available because I've only just been asked so I'll be going I'll be having a few glasses of wine get me into my very talkative asking questions position and see how I go see how I go from there but just thank you just before we move on to the game now I want to talk quickly about I want to know when you talk about how you want things to come out 657 00:44:54.903 --> 00:45:07.656 I want to know the insides from our club about the Balogun situation and how it materialised and what the club steps were. 658 00:45:07.697 --> 00:45:14.183 Because at the minute, I think the club are getting a bit of criticism because he was in the door and... 659 00:45:15.004 --> 00:45:20.286 And then they said he's not past his medical and they're asking a few questions and the deal was getting renegotiated, whatever. 660 00:45:20.346 --> 00:45:21.426 Personal terms didn't change. 661 00:45:22.087 --> 00:45:23.807 And then the player turned around and walked away. 662 00:45:24.167 --> 00:45:25.548 And everybody's blaming Everton for that. 663 00:45:25.648 --> 00:45:30.750 And the other situation can be, you know, a player's now thinking, do you like me? 664 00:45:30.770 --> 00:45:31.350 Do you not want me? 665 00:45:31.390 --> 00:45:32.370 They went for Xerxes. 666 00:45:32.750 --> 00:45:36.391 They went for Xerxes and the other fella because literally it looked like the Balogun deal's falling down. 667 00:45:37.232 --> 00:45:40.433 If I'm a player and I'm nearly getting this deal done... 668 00:45:43.059 --> 00:45:44.120 no one's blaming the player. 669 00:45:44.520 --> 00:45:45.340 I'm blaming the player. 670 00:45:45.980 --> 00:45:52.322 At the very last minute, once we've actually passed your medical now, we're ready to go, he's now turned around and said, oh, you didn't love me enough. 671 00:45:52.843 --> 00:45:53.883 You didn't show me enough. 672 00:45:54.443 --> 00:45:55.303 I mean, come on. 673 00:45:55.583 --> 00:45:59.345 I know this generation are different from our generation, but come on. 674 00:45:59.365 --> 00:46:01.005 Do you just think that's soft? 675 00:46:01.966 --> 00:46:02.686 Well, I just think that, 676 00:46:03.513 --> 00:46:06.154 A club has every right to go and find out the ins and outs. 677 00:46:06.194 --> 00:46:09.195 Now, I'm hearing rumours that it was... 678 00:46:09.235 --> 00:46:12.616 Some people are trying to say it was just to get the price down. 679 00:46:12.656 --> 00:46:13.457 I don't agree with that. 680 00:46:14.017 --> 00:46:18.398 There's another side I've sort of read somewhere that Balogun... 681 00:46:19.899 --> 00:46:40.613 hasn't actually trained much since the World Cup because Everton were asking for show me I know you're saying he's not quite ready to play but show me his data show me the fitness show me the running that he's been doing to show that he's fit and they've said oh we haven't got any we haven't got any data at all we haven't got any data on any of the fitness work he's doing which now it says to me hang on so he's not done anything so is he is he injured 682 00:46:41.445 --> 00:46:45.249 And it's, oh, no, he's not injured, but he's just not done anything since the World Cup. 683 00:46:45.409 --> 00:46:47.691 And now you're like, oh, well, hang on, that's raising a few alarm bells. 684 00:46:48.291 --> 00:46:50.233 In which case, well, now we need to do more tests. 685 00:46:50.293 --> 00:46:50.714 And hang on. 686 00:46:51.014 --> 00:46:51.615 So he's not fit. 687 00:46:51.675 --> 00:46:52.636 And now we're not sure. 688 00:46:53.016 --> 00:46:56.980 So if someone turns up without all of their data, which this is a world of data these days. 689 00:46:57.040 --> 00:47:00.923 If someone turns up without any data like that, my alarm bells are starting to ring. 690 00:47:01.164 --> 00:47:03.446 So the club have got every right to try and sort all that. 691 00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:09.666 And once they do, and then you're like, okay, they still said, right, we're still prepared to sign the deal. 692 00:47:10.446 --> 00:47:14.871 And he then turned around at the last minute and went, no, you just didn't love me enough. 693 00:47:15.051 --> 00:47:18.295 I'm going back there, which killed Everton, killed Monaco, killed Chelsea. 694 00:47:19.216 --> 00:47:20.997 But I think that is just such... 695 00:47:21.978 --> 00:47:26.579 throwing the toys out the pram situation where you just didn't shower me with love to start with. 696 00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:28.299 You didn't do this, you didn't do that, you didn't do the other. 697 00:47:28.579 --> 00:47:35.021 I expected to be signing for, because after the summer in the World Cup, he expected to be signing for

Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea. 698 00:47:35.041 --> 00:47:40.742 He expected to be getting a... Yeah, he was like the American sweetheart. 699 00:47:40.802 --> 00:47:45.263 His stock was high to the point he thought he was going to sign at one of the big clubs across Europe. 700 00:47:46.462 --> 00:47:49.565 Yeah, so I think his ego's took a hit for that. 701 00:47:49.625 --> 00:47:53.649 Then he's come in and he thinks that we're not loving him as much and he spat his dummy out. 702 00:47:53.729 --> 00:47:54.309 I think it's... 703 00:47:55.895 --> 00:48:00.479 Is he nervous that people were going to find out his medical records and that actually he's got some injuries there? 704 00:48:01.240 --> 00:48:01.701 Exactly. 705 00:48:01.821 --> 00:48:05.684 I don't know, but I would like, we haven't really heard both sides. 706 00:48:05.764 --> 00:48:09.068 I'd like the club to come out and say, look, this is what happened. 707 00:48:09.928 --> 00:48:12.931 And whether the club are then right or wrong, I'll make a new decision off that. 708 00:48:13.051 --> 00:48:15.093 But at the minute, I've not heard enough. 709 00:48:15.153 --> 00:48:15.714 Does it matter? 710 00:48:15.754 --> 00:48:16.855 And I don't like what I've seen. 711 00:48:17.556 --> 00:48:18.396 Does it matter though? 712 00:48:18.577 --> 00:48:19.958 We haven't got them, so does it matter? 713 00:48:21.755 --> 00:48:25.741 Well, the club are under a lot of criticism, scrutiny at the minute. 714 00:48:25.901 --> 00:48:28.525 And if they've done what I've just said, then... 715 00:48:29.338 --> 00:48:32.939 Would the club be wrong for wanting a little bit of more data and a little bit more understanding? 716 00:48:32.979 --> 00:48:36.841 And then still saying, okay, we're okay with that. 717 00:48:36.981 --> 00:48:37.681 Now let's sign. 718 00:48:38.201 --> 00:48:42.903 Not every agreement, not every situation goes smoothly. 719 00:48:43.063 --> 00:48:45.704 I'd still expect a player to go, but I'm fit and I'm fine. 720 00:48:45.724 --> 00:48:47.085 Don't worry, I'm going to have a great time here. 721 00:48:47.105 --> 00:48:48.625 I'm going to come here and score goals here. 722 00:48:48.645 --> 00:48:51.487 Because when I go back to Monaco, I'm not really going to do much. 723 00:48:51.507 --> 00:48:52.387 I'm probably going to sit on a bench. 724 00:48:52.707 --> 00:48:53.747 I'm going to come here and score goals. 725 00:48:53.767 --> 00:48:54.448 I'm in the Premier League. 726 00:48:55.588 --> 00:48:56.889 you'd have that attitude, wouldn't you? 727 00:48:57.169 --> 00:48:57.869 Why would you have that? 728 00:48:57.889 --> 00:49:01.210 Well, if you don't love me, I'm going to go home and sit on my couch on a Saturday. 729 00:49:01.450 --> 00:49:04.612 I get that, but it just comes down to the same thing I said before. 730 00:49:04.992 --> 00:49:05.432 I said it. 731 00:49:06.052 --> 00:49:07.793 Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. 732 00:49:07.813 --> 00:49:09.653 You should have had backups. 733 00:49:09.754 --> 00:49:13.115 All your eggs can't be in one basket, especially when you're dealing at the 12th hour. 734 00:49:13.972 --> 00:49:21.893 I suppose I'm saying that we should have known that data or requested that data a couple of days ago, yeah. 735 00:49:22.233 --> 00:49:22.694 Last week? 736 00:49:22.914 --> 00:49:23.994 If you know he's the target. 737 00:49:24.034 --> 00:49:24.954 A couple of days ago. 738 00:49:24.974 --> 00:49:30.235 But I still think the club should come out and let me know their version of what happened. 739 00:49:30.855 --> 00:49:31.635 I really want to know. 740 00:49:31.655 --> 00:49:33.775 They've got to let us know a lot more than that Balogun deal. 741 00:49:33.795 --> 00:49:35.376 They've got to let us know just what's going on. 742 00:49:35.816 --> 00:49:40.057 We also need to know why he'd accepted 40 million by Harrison Armstrong our best youngster in a decade. 743 00:49:40.077 --> 00:49:42.277 You've got to let us know why. 744 00:49:43.210 --> 00:49:46.571 You've got to let us know why a club's offering 65 million for Jimmy Garner. 745 00:49:46.891 --> 00:49:47.771 Is there a reason? 746 00:49:48.032 --> 00:49:50.152 Because he's a 125 million pound player. 747 00:49:50.572 --> 00:49:54.614 Because whatever Anderson is, that's what Jimmy Garner is. 748 00:49:55.014 --> 00:49:57.435 I don't care what... Because Jimmy Garner's been exceptional. 749 00:49:58.275 --> 00:49:59.115 Jimmy Garner's been brilliant. 750 00:49:59.135 --> 00:50:01.016 Been called up to the England team while playing for Everton. 751 00:50:01.356 --> 00:50:02.676 That tells you everything you need to know. 752 00:50:03.176 --> 00:50:05.337 Look at how powerful and strong the England squad is. 753 00:50:05.677 --> 00:50:07.558 Jimmy Garner got called up to that England squad. 754 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:09.461 The proof is in the pudding. 755 00:50:09.721 --> 00:50:11.563 Why are they offing 65 million? 756 00:50:11.663 --> 00:50:16.387 Thankfully, he plays everywhere for us because he's going to have to play everywhere for us in the next few months. 757 00:50:16.707 --> 00:50:20.751 So what did you think about the actual players we got in, though? 758 00:50:21.372 --> 00:50:25.055 What do you think of Ainsley Maitland-Niles as a right-back? 759 00:50:25.375 --> 00:50:25.936 Proper player. 760 00:50:25.956 --> 00:50:26.616 I'm not sure. 761 00:50:27.557 --> 00:50:31.561 So the stories have been told, and this is from a couple of Arsenal fans who are now is, 762 00:50:33.167 --> 00:50:37.110 He's actually a brilliant right back, but doesn't like playing right back. 763 00:50:37.150 --> 00:50:38.391 He doesn't like playing there. 764 00:50:38.431 --> 00:50:39.692 Have you seen the clip? 765 00:50:40.032 --> 00:50:42.674 I haven't seen the clip. 766 00:50:42.834 --> 00:50:44.456 He's not mates with Jake O'Brien, is he? 767 00:50:46.857 --> 00:50:55.244 But the first thing that comes to mind is, I'm sure, and this is

one thing I will say, there's nobody who's coming into that football club who hasn't spoken to the gaffer. 768 00:50:56.255 --> 00:51:04.317 And I'm pretty sure he will have laid down the rules before getting him into that dressing room and going, listen here, son, I need you to play where I ask you to play. 769 00:51:04.777 --> 00:51:05.657 Can you do it for me? 770 00:51:06.057 --> 00:51:07.838 I'm pretty sure that will have happened. 771 00:51:08.298 --> 00:51:09.598 He knows he's coming as a right back. 772 00:51:10.218 --> 00:51:11.459 So he knows what he's coming for. 773 00:51:11.499 --> 00:51:17.660 And listen, he might be a brilliant fan, whatever it is, but I remember him at Arsenal first coming to the scene and thinking, oh, you're a player. 774 00:51:18.989 --> 00:51:21.793 And if he was going to play there, he's still a player now, in my opinion. 775 00:51:22.374 --> 00:51:24.536 So I'm really hopeful on that one. 776 00:51:25.137 --> 00:51:31.004 I don't know if he's as defensively solid as Moyes would have liked, or we will like, but he's comfortable playing right back. 777 00:51:31.044 --> 00:51:32.266 He knows the positions to covers. 778 00:51:32.546 --> 00:51:33.387 He gets up and down. 779 00:51:33.407 --> 00:51:35.730 His output's decent, going up and down. 780 00:51:37.572 --> 00:51:54.712 so and he can actually play multiple positions which Moisey likes because he could play left back he could go over and play left back if you need him to he'd be comfortable enough doing that so that's especially the price 4.2 million for a player these days Argan 4.2 million poof 781 00:51:55.500 --> 00:51:57.501 Not only what he is, is that they want him out. 782 00:51:57.782 --> 00:51:59.123 How does he fit in the dressing room? 783 00:51:59.143 --> 00:52:01.564 But then it goes back to the original point that I just said. 784 00:52:01.904 --> 00:52:03.526 I'm pretty sure the manager will have spoken. 785 00:52:03.706 --> 00:52:07.428 He'll have spoken to anyone he's bringing into that dressing room. 786 00:52:07.468 --> 00:52:08.709 That's one thing I would guarantee. 787 00:52:09.029 --> 00:52:12.252 He's spoken to the players he's brought in or the players that have been brought in. 788 00:52:12.552 --> 00:52:14.333 He's been able to speak to them first. 789 00:52:15.935 --> 00:52:17.296 Yeah. 790 00:52:17.476 --> 00:52:18.356 And what about Jack? 791 00:52:18.877 --> 00:52:19.417 Jack's back. 792 00:52:19.437 --> 00:52:21.298 Sorry, Liam, do you want us to talk something else first? 793 00:52:21.578 --> 00:52:21.858 Days. 794 00:52:22.218 --> 00:52:31.023 No, I was just going to say, I was going to put Jack in the same conversation actually and say Maitland, Niles and Grealish, do they go straight into the starting XI on Saturday? 795 00:52:31.063 --> 00:52:34.685 Are we in that much of a position now where we don't have to definitely go in and perform? 796 00:52:36.006 --> 00:52:37.327 I think Jack does. 797 00:52:40.455 --> 00:53:08.013 I think Jack probably does because we had Illum in the last game playing off the right and George playing off the left it just worries me about George's Tarek George's sort of limited opportunities if he's now fighting because Jack and him both only play on the left but you need a little bit of experience if we start with we could start with Tarek George on the left and Brennan Johnson on the right potentially because you'd get an uproar if you brought Jack on later in the game 798 00:53:08.987 --> 00:53:11.788 But I just think that a little bit more now, so I think you probably start with them. 799 00:53:11.808 --> 00:53:12.208 Honestly. 800 00:53:12.268 --> 00:53:13.849 I don't think you start with Maitland-Niles. 801 00:53:14.189 --> 00:53:20.252 I think Merlin Roll's done enough in the last few games to not be dropped, so to speak, straight away. 802 00:53:20.852 --> 00:53:22.673 So that's the way I'd do that. 803 00:53:22.713 --> 00:53:23.774 How did you feel? 804 00:53:23.874 --> 00:53:24.674 I'll come back to Jack. 805 00:53:25.494 --> 00:53:30.597 How did you feel about the way the club dropped the donut thing? 806 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:36.863 to announce he was signing right in the middle of everything that was going on. 807 00:53:36.883 --> 00:53:37.564 That was crazy. 808 00:53:37.584 --> 00:53:40.005 So, what on earth are you doing? 809 00:53:40.025 --> 00:53:48.851 Do you know what my cop I made stupid sense was the Everton person who's in charge of social accounts is absolute gold. 810 00:53:48.871 --> 00:53:50.132 He's got to be a Liverpool fan. 811 00:53:51.832 --> 00:54:19.520 he's just brilliant and I just thought and I know the person he's a boss fella he's a mad at a Tony but yeah oh my god you couldn't write it you couldn't write that honestly of all the things to put at the time you put it just the time that gets rough I mean he'll have been thinking he'll have been thinking that up for ages you know and you've got a good idea socially now if everything had gone great that would have been a great post yeah we bought enough doughnuts yeah it would have been a good tongue and cheek joke but 812 00:54:20.240 --> 00:54:26.722 But in the sense of the room, know what's happening, know when you're dropping jokes. 813 00:54:27.142 --> 00:54:31.084 I mean, he could have kept it up his sleeve and dropped it next month when you're doing an interview with Jack. 814 00:54:31.104 --> 00:54:32.324 He could have started an interview with it. 815 00:54:32.865 --> 00:54:35.706 The idea just needed to be put on hold, man. 816 00:54:36.406 --> 00:54:37.526 Yeah, for sure. 817 00:54:37.906 --> 00:54:38.847 Just went too soon. 818 00:54:39.627 --> 00:54:40.467 Story of my life. 819 00:54:41.508 --> 00:54:41.848 Yeah. 820 00:54:43.786 --> 00:54:45.547 Well, behind the donuts was Jack Grealish. 821 00:54:45.767 --> 00:54:46.908 So we're looking at Saturday. 822 00:54:48.309 --> 00:54:49.710 I think I would start him. 823 00:54:49.970

--> 00:54:50.650 Sunday, sorry. 824 00:54:50.830 --> 00:54:51.611 I would start him. 825 00:54:52.371 --> 00:54:53.932 I think the crowd need a bit of a lift. 826 00:54:54.192 --> 00:55:01.136 And I think Jack is that person to give us a. Yeah, he can be. 827 00:55:01.616 --> 00:55:02.777 And he'll certainly take the ball. 828 00:55:02.797 --> 00:55:04.238 And I think it's going to be a tough game. 829 00:55:04.258 --> 00:55:06.759 We need somebody who's going to hold the ball up. 830 00:55:06.799 --> 00:55:07.960 I wonder how long he can play. 831 00:55:10.056 --> 00:55:28.354 he looks in great shape he does and he's had a good pre-season and he's come on he's come on for City in the first game so he's he's fit in terms of preparation needs game time so you wonder how many minutes he can play yeah I might start because it's 832 00:55:29.860 --> 00:55:36.384 there's going to be a lot of anger and animosity within the stadium that could be abated. 833 00:55:36.704 --> 00:55:49.751 If we start the game, well, if we start well and we go a goal up, then does that mean, um, sort of relaxed, chilled out a little bit, sort of avoided, um, you know, sort of that kind of thing. 834 00:55:50.011 --> 00:55:55.454 If we, um, just go start the game quickly and go a goal ahead. 835 00:55:56.214 --> 00:55:57.155 Whereas if we, 836 00:55:58.564 --> 00:56:04.185 play rubbish to start with, go a goal behind, that is going to be a tough place to play. 837 00:56:05.025 --> 00:56:18.108 Whereas if we start the game well, get in the front foot, score a goal, take the game to them, be aggressive, tackles in everywhere, everyone can take their aggression out on tackles, then I think it could be a great game to be honest. 838 00:56:18.429 --> 00:56:19.929 I think one thing we've all got to agree is 839 00:56:21.527 --> 00:56:39.024 we're so lucky we've got this man in charge because if anyone's going to get a tune out of this lot now it's going to be him if anyone's going to box against the walls we've got to fight for each other there's 14 of us here it's him it's David Moyes Are you working on a security job for Moyes at the minute? 840 00:56:39.164 --> 00:56:44.029 I feel like you're trying to build yourself up to be his minder for the next five or ten years I think 841 00:56:45.050 --> 00:56:46.651 He's going to need it. 842 00:56:46.772 --> 00:56:47.712 He's going to need it. 843 00:56:47.752 --> 00:56:51.976 We're going to end up with a mixture of... Keno's going to have to play up front. 844 00:56:52.096 --> 00:56:53.697 Tariq George is going to have to play up front. 845 00:56:54.178 --> 00:56:55.879 Oh, come on, mate. 846 00:56:55.939 --> 00:56:57.981 We can't be from a centre-half up front. 847 00:56:58.061 --> 00:57:00.883 I'll stop it. 848 00:57:01.484 --> 00:57:02.365 What if Barry's injured? 849 00:57:02.525 --> 00:57:04.046 What if he gets injured for a month? 850 00:57:04.226 --> 00:57:05.948 I'm not, because we'd be the laughingstock. 851 00:57:05.968 --> 00:57:07.009 We can't stick a centre-half. 852 00:57:07.429 --> 00:57:11.873 I love Keno, and I'll tell you what... No, I'm not going to say it, but... 853 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:14.701 You can't put a centre-half up front, Os. 854 00:57:14.781 --> 00:57:17.323 Can you imagine what that's going to do for everyone's self-confidence? 855 00:57:17.423 --> 00:57:21.505 Yeah, but everybody knows within the club, this is literally all we've got. 856 00:57:21.946 --> 00:57:28.349 Because you've got, okay, people will say, well, give the young lad Braden Graham a chance because he's banging goals in at your team level and 21's level. 857 00:57:28.369 --> 00:57:28.990 Yeah, I can't do that. 858 00:57:29.010 --> 00:57:30.291 Just get a centre-half up front, Os. 859 00:57:30.411 --> 00:57:31.752 No, but the problem with that... 860 00:57:32.632 --> 00:57:38.056 I get you, but the problem with that, because he's scoring goals, there's an expectation that Braden Green could come in and do it. 861 00:57:38.136 --> 00:57:42.840 And I hope an opportunity comes to see nothing better than a young kid stepping up and scoring goals. 862 00:57:43.300 --> 00:57:46.823 But he doesn't play centre-forward for the team because he's not physically big enough to handle it. 863 00:57:46.963 --> 00:57:47.804 He plays off the left. 864 00:57:48.244 --> 00:57:50.586 And you're now saying that we'll just come in and play him up front. 865 00:57:50.606 --> 00:57:52.287 And Chunkino goes up front and scores a brace. 866 00:57:52.347 --> 00:57:54.649 And then you've got to start him next game against Arsenal. 867 00:57:55.149 --> 00:57:58.371 I mean, you can't do that. 868 00:57:59.011 --> 00:58:02.453 I mean, just can't book him off front and he's up against Gabriel Saliba. 869 00:58:02.953 --> 00:58:04.634 A centre-half up against centre-halves. 870 00:58:05.254 --> 00:58:06.415 Best finisher at the club, mate. 871 00:58:06.655 --> 00:58:07.355 Best finisher at the club. 872 00:58:07.375 --> 00:58:08.336 I know, I agree. 873 00:58:08.356 --> 00:58:09.797 Well, I shouldn't have said that, but yeah, he is. 874 00:58:09.837 --> 00:58:10.597 He's brilliant. 875 00:58:10.637 --> 00:58:11.137 He's finished. 876 00:58:11.177 --> 00:58:11.738 He's gold. 877 00:58:12.238 --> 00:58:13.479 And he's scored some world. 878 00:58:13.499 --> 00:58:15.500 I know, but I thought he does the same. 879 00:58:15.520 --> 00:58:16.120 What are you doing? 880 00:58:16.140 --> 00:58:17.661 Stick him up the top as well. 881 00:58:17.741 --> 00:58:18.281 Flick it on. 882 00:58:18.461 --> 00:58:19.202 Run the channels. 883 00:58:19.382 --> 00:58:20.022 Get in the box. 884 00:58:20.042 --> 00:58:20.963 That's all I'm asking for you, big man. 885 00:58:20.983 --> 00:58:23.344 Run the channels as if he's catching and he left all night back. 886 00:58:23.944 --> 00:58:25.324 Big Fergie made a career of it. 887 00:58:25.664 --> 00:58:26.365 Oh, stop it. 888 00:58:26.425 --> 00:58:27.645 Hold the ball up, lay

it off. 889 00:58:28.125 --> 00:58:29.205 Hold the ball up, lay it off. 890 00:58:29.225 --> 00:58:30.185 Get in the box, big man. 891 00:58:30.686 --> 00:58:31.766 No, yeah, next time I might as well. 892 00:58:31.786 --> 00:58:35.147 We might as well just put Tarky on him up top then and just play Jake and that. 893 00:58:35.227 --> 00:58:36.487 I'll tell you this, though. 894 00:58:36.967 --> 00:58:38.227 I'll tell you this, though, right? 895 00:58:38.928 --> 00:58:44.189 Back in the 90s, and probably even before that, but my proper stint of watching football was late 80s, early 90s. 896 00:58:45.729 --> 00:58:47.710 That was quite a normal thing to do. 897 00:58:47.730 --> 00:58:52.251 Chris Sutton started off as a centre-half, became one of the top-scoring Premier League centre-forwards. 898 00:58:52.271 --> 00:58:52.991 2026, Leon. 899 00:58:54.071 --> 00:58:56.812 Dion Dublin started as a centre-half before he went up front. 900 00:58:56.852 --> 00:58:57.432 Oh, mate, come on. 901 00:58:57.892 --> 00:59:00.673 I'm telling you, it's a thing. 902 00:59:00.693 --> 00:59:01.093 20-26. 903 00:59:01.853 --> 00:59:03.254 Okay, let's just go 4-4-2. 904 00:59:03.534 --> 00:59:08.135 And up top is James Tarkovsky and Michael Keane. 905 00:59:08.255 --> 00:59:10.495 Oh, they'd be tough to deal with, though. 906 00:59:10.576 --> 00:59:14.297 We'd have Brantwight and Jake O'Brien at the back. 907 00:59:14.697 --> 00:59:16.037 Tarky and Keane are up front. 908 00:59:16.477 --> 00:59:17.617 Oh, imagine us set pieces. 909 00:59:18.218 --> 00:59:19.258 Imagine us at set pieces. 910 00:59:19.278 --> 00:59:19.398 Yeah. 911 00:59:20.457 --> 00:59:22.979 This is the misery of being an Everton fan that we've got. 912 00:59:22.999 --> 00:59:24.379 The conversation has led to this. 913 00:59:24.399 --> 00:59:25.400 This is what it's done to us. 914 00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:26.981 Our forwards are Jared Brown. 915 00:59:27.061 --> 00:59:32.264 Our forwards now are James Tarkovsky and Michael Keane. 916 00:59:32.284 --> 00:59:33.085 That's a point for Evan. 917 00:59:33.445 --> 00:59:35.726 What does that do though? 918 00:59:35.766 --> 00:59:39.549 Because Ciano Barry's played 1,050 minutes in a week. 919 00:59:40.109 --> 00:59:42.971 I'm tongue-in-cheek with regards to all that with the front two, but... 920 00:59:43.591 --> 00:59:47.633 We may have to try and go to like a 4-4-2 and play. 921 00:59:47.693 --> 00:59:49.774 Go back to old school, big man, little man. 922 00:59:49.794 --> 00:59:55.257 Because if you played Keanu up front, then you could give the young lad Braden Graham a chance up front. 923 00:59:55.297 --> 00:59:56.898 Big man, little man, just chase the flick-ons. 924 00:59:57.118 --> 00:59:58.319 Old school football. 925 00:59:59.539 --> 01:00:00.400 We can't do that. 926 01:00:01.593 --> 01:00:02.534 We can't do that. 927 01:00:02.554 --> 01:00:02.854 Thanks, Liam. 928 01:00:02.954 --> 01:00:04.996 At least somebody else has talked and seen me.

929 01:00:05.016 --> 01:00:05.696 We can't do that. 930 01:00:06.837 --> 01:00:08.599 All out of us has gone nuts. 931 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:09.439 He's lost his mind. 932 01:00:09.500 --> 01:00:10.380 He's lost the clock. 933 01:00:11.181 --> 01:00:12.302 Watch this space. 934 01:00:12.962 --> 01:00:15.965 If he scores, I'm not coming on the pod. 935 01:00:15.985 --> 01:00:16.225 Keno. 936 01:00:17.066 --> 01:00:18.747 Keno is going to play more. 937 01:00:18.847 --> 01:00:19.888 Yeah, there's a statement for you. 938 01:00:19.928 --> 01:00:22.150 Keno's going to play more games up front for us from this. 939 01:00:22.270 --> 01:00:23.231 Keep track, Liam. 940 01:00:23.531 --> 01:00:29.556 From this moment till the end of the season, Keno's going to play more games or more minutes up front than he's going to play setter half. 941 01:00:30.452 --> 01:00:31.133 Oh, flippity. 942 01:00:31.313 --> 01:00:32.353 I can't wait to see what happens. 943 01:00:32.834 --> 01:00:39.218 Ozzy, one thing I wanted to ask you to leave us off was you know Moyes and you've been in his changing room. 944 01:00:39.538 --> 01:00:46.123 After all the chaos that's happened over the last week, what do you think Moyes' message is going to be to that Everton squad and to us as a fan base? 945 01:00:49.453 --> 01:00:52.634 Well, I think there's a chance he'll be flat. 946 01:00:52.854 --> 01:00:56.716 There was moments, Joe does have a career where he was really upbeat and there was fights in him. 947 01:00:56.736 --> 01:00:58.977 There was moments where he was a little bit flat and he needed help. 948 01:00:59.598 --> 01:01:02.119 And I think getting a result would help him. 949 01:01:02.139 --> 01:01:03.760 But I think it goes into the dressing room. 950 01:01:04.733 --> 01:01:06.695 and probably says, look, look around. 951 01:01:07.295 --> 01:01:08.716 This is it. 952 01:01:08.997 --> 01:01:09.657 This is who we are. 953 01:01:09.677 --> 01:01:14.542 This is every face that's going to be available from now at the end of the season. 954 01:01:15.182 --> 01:01:22.348 How we get success, where we finish, top, bottom, wherever we finish, only these faces in here can affect that. 955 01:01:22.368 --> 01:01:23.289 And there might not be many of us. 956 01:01:23.629 --> 01:01:24.570 We might have to stick together. 957 01:01:24.590 --> 01:01:26.492 We might have to play when we're not all fit. 958 01:01:26.632 --> 01:01:27.753 We might have to play out of position. 959 01:01:28.373 --> 01:01:31.876 But look at each other, demand the best from each other, work hard for each other. 960 01:01:33.277 --> 01:01:38.321 It'll be along them lines in terms of now go out and give everything you've got for each other. 961 01:01:39.301 --> 01:01:40.482 There's no other noise. 962 01:01:40.502 --> 01:01:41.102 Don't listen. 963 01:01:41.142 --> 01:01:44.905 No, not necessarily dogs of war because you can play top football within that. 964 01:01:45.445 --> 01:01:49.367 But Jack Grealish might be there and you're thinking, well, shall I stay in position? 965 01:01:49.407 --> 01:01:52.409 And now you think, no, I'm going to run the extra 10 yards to make a pass for him. 966 01:01:52.709 --> 01:01:53.370 I'm going to run this. 967 01:01:53.410 --> 01:01:54.530 I'm going to do a bit more. 968 01:01:54.991 --> 01:01:55.591 It's just us. 969 01:01:55.771 --> 01:01:58.233 It's basically the mentality like if you've got 10 men. 970 01:01:59.053 --> 01:02:04.141 And it'd be that type of thing I'd be buying into if I was given that speech. 971 01:02:04.161 --> 01:02:05.923 It's not a bad start at 11, is it? 972 01:02:05.963 --> 01:02:09.709 That's probably because I've listened to Moisey make speeches like that before. 973 01:02:10.650 --> 01:02:11.992 So, no, do you know what? 974 01:02:12.212 --> 01:02:13.554 We've not got a bad start at 11. 975 01:02:14.095 --> 01:02:14.676 We really haven't. 976 01:02:15.737 --> 01:02:33.198 We just Yeah Can you imagine Every time we get an injury From now until the end of the season There'll be a massive Oh Yeah Within the stadium So again it's just Everton isn't it It's just Everton for you Yep 977 01:02:34.012 --> 01:02:34.292 It is. 978 01:02:35.013 --> 01:02:37.215 But honestly, I think I fancy us Sunday. 979 01:02:37.895 --> 01:02:38.576 After all that. 980 01:02:39.076 --> 01:02:41.098 Let's try and end on a positive note. 981 01:02:41.278 --> 01:02:42.119 I do think... 982 01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:43.000 I fancy us Sunday. 983 01:02:44.261 --> 01:02:47.564 It'd be the most evident thing ever to go and get a result on Sunday. 984 01:02:48.084 --> 01:02:50.126 Win three nil's here, nobody gets it atterick. 985 01:02:50.706 --> 01:02:51.787 Yeah, fancy us Sunday. 986 01:02:52.028 --> 01:02:54.510 He was the most informed striker in the world last week. 987 01:02:54.930 --> 01:02:56.851 Don't start me off, our cards have been on that. 988 01:02:58.571 --> 01:02:59.491 It's all he ever says. 989 01:03:00.532 --> 01:03:02.352 You know, let's just hope. 990 01:03:02.392 --> 01:03:03.653 Just get the rosary beat out. 991 01:03:03.713 --> 01:03:05.473 Everyone's turning up on Sunday with the rosary. 992 01:03:06.594 --> 01:03:09.435 Speak to your vicar, speak to your priest, speak to your father, pray. 993 01:03:10.035 --> 01:03:17.297 And I tell you what, if we do win, I know what you're saying, but if we do win seven points from three games, that'd be a hell of a start. 994 01:03:18.144 --> 01:03:22.791 Yeah, and it's easy for God or not because of all the chaos that we have actually started the season pretty well. 995 01:03:23.011 --> 01:03:25.875 And that should continue, all this chaos aside. 996 01:03:26.316 --> 01:03:27.357 Hopefully, fingers crossed. 997 01:03:27.377 --> 01:03:29.881 Yeah, there's going to be a lot of us going there with frustration. 998 01:03:29.901 --> 01:03:34.047 My kids and family are very frustrated going to the game on Sunday. 999 01:03:34.127 --> 01:03:40.957 But through it all, we still need to just be, which we are, the best supporters in the country. 1000 01:03:40.977 --> 01:03:42.640 Just get behind the team as much as we can.