Full Transcript for WTWB: Mind Control

is. Finally, they 00:04:26.660 --> 00:04:29.759 were like, OK. Yeah. But she should not have 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:31.759 been in jail for the length of time she was, 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:34.540 if you're looking at other people involved in 00:04:34.540 --> 00:04:37.259 this. Or just what people do on the streets. 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:40.579 Yeah. Because she didn't do any of the killing. 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:43.740 Right. She was there, but so was Linda Kasabian. 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:45.959 She never went to jail. Marion Brunner was involved 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:48.819 in the Hinman murder, way more than Van Houten 00:04:48.819 --> 00:04:51.759 was involved in the other one. uh but she got 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:55.040 immunity yeah and um well the legal system is 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:57.360 clem grogan not just this one doesn't make any 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.879 sense to me clem and uh bruce davis are both 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:03.060 bruce davis is a scientologist by the way yes 00:05:03.060 --> 00:05:05.120 there's a lot of scientologists so is leslie 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:07.800 van helten and so is clem huh so that's three 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:10.180 of the mary brunner was at least at classes and 00:05:10.180 --> 00:05:12.939 the people they hung out with were too weird 00:05:12.939 --> 00:05:18.740 anyway anyway um Clem and Bruce Davis were convicted 00:05:18.740 --> 00:05:21.459 of the same crime of killing Shorter Shay. Clem 00:05:21.459 --> 00:05:23.220 served about ten years, Bruce Davis is still 00:05:23.220 --> 00:05:26.180 in jail. That doesn't make any sense. Now wasn't 00:05:26.180 --> 00:05:29.620 Bruce Davis much more a part of the sinister 00:05:29.620 --> 00:05:32.860 workings than Clem? It doesn't matter if you're 00:05:32.860 --> 00:05:34.199 a part of it, it matters what they get you on. 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:36.699 Sure. It matters on the conviction. Because we're 00:05:36.699 --> 00:05:38.699 not convicting people on like, well you seem 00:05:38.699 --> 00:05:43.519 darker. Yeah. You know what I mean? Can't trust 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:47.199 the justice system. It's almost like it's rigged. 00:05:47.459 --> 00:05:49.819 Yeah, so sorry we're an active store and there's 00:05:49.819 --> 00:05:55.139 people. Crazy how that happens. But that's not 00:05:55.139 --> 00:05:57.879 our topic of discussion today. No, we're gonna 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:00.459 go into MK Ultra and some things like that. Yeah, 00:06:00.459 --> 00:06:03.620 because I want to put a precursor on this. A 00:06:03.620 --> 00:06:07.600 lot of people, once Tom O 'Neill put his book 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:12.230 Chaos out, decided that that was the truth. Yeah, 00:06:12.250 --> 00:06:13.930 that that was all there was to it Yeah, that 00:06:13.930 --> 00:06:16.670 it was MK ultra and Jolly West right and there 00:06:16.670 --> 00:06:18.870 are certainly interesting bits of information. 00:06:18.949 --> 00:06:21.769 They are parts of it

Yeah, sure and like the 00:06:21.769 --> 00:06:24.269 stuff about Roger Smith his parole officer in 00:06:24.269 --> 00:06:27.250 his studies. Yeah, those are definitely interesting 00:06:27.250 --> 00:06:31.329 definitely He mentioned the Scientology twice 00:06:31.329 --> 00:06:35.189 which in the process never which is weird because 00:06:35.189 --> 00:06:37.870 Well, we'll get into how involved they are with 00:06:37.870 --> 00:06:42.360 this And I'm not entirely sure why he left them 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.480 out. Do you think maybe he did it on purpose? 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:48.220 I don't know. We'll find out. I don't want to 00:06:48.220 --> 00:06:49.620 burn it all right now. You know what? I will. 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:53.019 Fuck it. I'm going to burn this part. Fuck it. 00:06:53.019 --> 00:06:56.459 We'll do it live. Do it live. Fuck it. We'll 00:06:56.459 --> 00:07:03.920 do it. Just cut. Yeah. I have three theories 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:08.379 on why this was left out entirely of chaos. One 00:07:08.379 --> 00:07:11.379 is that he was so hyper fixated and obsessed 00:07:11.379 --> 00:07:13.459 with his story and his angle that he ignored 00:07:13.459 --> 00:07:15.939 everything else. Certainly possible, yeah. Two 00:07:15.939 --> 00:07:19.459 is he was threatened. Very likely. And three 00:07:19.459 --> 00:07:22.019 is that Scientology had a thing called Operation 00:07:22.019 --> 00:07:24.459 Rawhide, which started after the Manson murders. 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:27.639 And it was specifically Manson murder disinformation. 00:07:28.459 --> 00:07:32.779 Do with that what you will. Well, yeah. because 00:07:32.779 --> 00:07:35.339 there you can't really you look at stuff from 00:07:35.339 --> 00:07:38.459 the time that it was released before the PR campaign 00:07:38.459 --> 00:07:40.779 of Scientology to get their names off the Manson 00:07:40.779 --> 00:07:42.860 murders and people were actually referring to 00:07:42.860 --> 00:07:44.939 them as the Scientology murders at one point 00:07:44.939 --> 00:07:48.319 yeah and now never ever ever at all and now nobody 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:50.540 and now i tell my fucking boss about it and he's 00:07:50.540 --> 00:07:53.060 like oh you crazy conspiracy theorist shut up 00:07:53.060 --> 00:07:56.699 yeah uh not to mention son of sam we'll mention 00:07:56.699 --> 00:08:00.819 oh geez that's that's when it became apparent 00:08:00.819 --> 00:08:03.100 to me that there was something more to the process 00:08:03.100 --> 00:08:06.879 than just what timothy wiley would have us believe 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:09.680 yeah bummer he's dead we can talk to him and 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.500 confront him anyway So we will be getting into 00:08:13.500 --> 00:08:15.420 today things that relate to the time O 'Neill 00:08:15.420 --> 00:08:17.439 theory because again, it is important It is yeah, 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:19.579 there are like it's an angle on the whole thing. 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:21.459 There's a lot of angles on the whole thing Well, 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.279 it's it's nothing but angles. Yeah, like this 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:27.839 also plays into the Laurel Canyon scene Yeah, 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.860 and the entire revolution which is the point 00:08:31.230 --> 00:08:33.110 Of what we're making right? It's not another 00:08:33.110 --> 00:08:35.570 Manson series. He's just very very related to 00:08:35.570 --> 00:08:38.090 everything Just everything touches on well, that's 00:08:38.090 --> 00:08:39.950 what i'm saying. It's like every it's all angles 00:08:39.950 --> 00:08:42.909 because it doesn't seem like There's any I mean, 00:08:42.909 --> 00:08:46.389 i'm sure there's one that it takes more Than 00:08:46.389 --> 00:08:49.269 the others, but everything is spread thin. You've 00:08:49.269 --> 00:08:53.710 got the the spook thing with all the fucking 00:08:53.710 --> 00:08:56.429 Mk ultra and all that and the people in laurel 00:08:56.429 --> 00:08:59.690 canyon that we'll do an episode on yeah, uh, 00:08:59.809 --> 00:09:02.559 but but it's also like the cults and the mob 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:06.360 and the porn ring and it's everything is is is 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:09.220 overlapping and just like came together in a 00:09:09.220 --> 00:09:11.779 perfect yeah yeah it was just a muddy bunch a 00:09:11.779 --> 00:09:14.779 bunch of currents going on in california yeah 00:09:14.779 --> 00:09:18.580 and i guess new york too uh in our main city 00:09:18.580 --> 00:09:21.840 hubs of america the places of power even in new 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:24.240 york it goes back to california it goes back 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.080 to los angeles like everything we're talking 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:30.649 about has some gravitational pull to Los Angeles. 00:09:30.870 --> 00:09:33.129 Yeah, Los Angeles and to a lesser degree, but 00:09:33.129 --> 00:09:36.110 still a high degree, the Bay Area. Right. I mean, 00:09:36.190 --> 00:09:40.269 the last two chapters of Ultimate Evil about 00:09:40.269 --> 00:09:43.889 some of Sam Murders are about California. Yeah. 00:09:44.070 --> 00:09:46.570 Huh. That happened in New York. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. 00:09:46.570 --> 00:09:54.009 Okay. So, mind control. Yeah. That's a... Interesting 00:09:54.009 --> 00:09:56.429 topic. It is. And we're not going to start at 00:09:56.429 --> 00:09:58.029 the beginning, because people have been doing 00:09:58.029 --> 00:10:01.470 this for a very long time. I believe that a lot 00:10:01.470 --> 00:10:05.470 of what we're talking about going on in the 60s 00:10:05.470 --> 00:10:08.490 and 70s and going on today started at the end 00:10:08.490 --> 00:10:13.789 of World War II. Oh, absolutely. A variety of 00:10:13.789 --> 00:10:18.830 organizations were set up. A lot. A variety of 00:10:18.830 --> 00:10:22.250 operations were started, and a variety of... 00:10:22.299 --> 00:10:27.620 Topics of interest boy a lot we're looking So 00:10:27.620 -->

00:10:32.259 We're not gonna cover all of it, but no, we're 00:10:32.259 --> 00:10:35.159 just gonna pick a few pertinent Examples and 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:38.139 discuss a little bit right so two things that 00:10:38.139 --> 00:10:39.799 are important to note. I believe about what we're 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:44.960 to Are that humanity became aware of exactly 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:48.700 how much destruction it could do to itself? Yes. 00:10:49.019 --> 00:10:51.659 Right. So everything that happens after World 00:10:51.659 --> 00:10:55.120 War I is bad. But A, it's not as known about 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:58.220 because communication is worse. Sure. Yeah. And 00:10:58.220 --> 00:11:01.639 B, it does not end with an atomic bombing. Yeah. 00:11:01.899 --> 00:11:04.179 And people going didn't know that was an option. 00:11:05.139 --> 00:11:08.100 Yeah. Kind of made everybody pause. Yeah. And 00:11:08.100 --> 00:11:13.299 so the bomb and then the Cold War is a shadow. 00:11:13.769 --> 00:11:16.629 over all these events as well because yeah a 00:11:16.629 --> 00:11:18.629 lot of these kids are now growing up in a world 00:11:18.629 --> 00:11:21.389 post that happening right and we're not debating 00:11:21.389 --> 00:11:23.350 if it should have should or should not have been 00:11:23.350 --> 00:11:25.590 done because there's debates of like more people 00:11:25.590 --> 00:11:27.350 would have died if the war continued it's not 00:11:27.350 --> 00:11:32.309 the big yeah the point here is that happened 00:11:32.309 --> 00:11:36.389 and it affected the world psyche sure so and 00:11:36.389 --> 00:11:39.230 also i mean a very fractured fractured psyche 00:11:39.230 --> 00:11:42.500 and once once news of The Holocaust came out 00:11:42.500 --> 00:11:45.480 that also affected the world psyche. Greatly, 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:49.559 yeah. So after World War Two. So this explains 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:51.659 why the 60s is such a fucked up time. Everyone 00:11:51.659 --> 00:11:54.519 grew up in that cloud. Yeah. But also being told 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:57.039 by media that everything was like Mayberry. Yeah. 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:59.340 Well, this is that's not a shot that Andy Griffith 00:11:59.340 --> 00:12:03.019 showed is a good sitcom. No, it's not. Should 00:12:03.019 --> 00:12:05.080 throw in shade on Andy. It's real. It's real 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.080 good. I always like the ones when it got like 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.370 kind of dark and they were real police. You know 00:12:09.370 --> 00:12:11.210 what I mean? Like, it wasn't like, oh, Otis is 00:12:11.210 --> 00:12:13.190 drunk again. It was like, there's a guy who robbed 00:12:13.190 --> 00:12:15.149 a bank at town over and now he's here with a 00:12:15.149 --> 00:12:17.529 gun. Oh, the actual cop shit, yeah. You're like, 00:12:17.649 --> 00:12:21.649 whoa, okay. They're hiding out by the creek. 00:12:25.590 --> 00:12:31.190 Anyway, Mayberry RFD was not as good. No. We're 00:12:31.190 --> 00:12:33.210 actually gonna be an Andy Griffith podcast. Let's 00:12:33.210 --> 00:12:35.230 just stop. talking about this stuff and just 00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:37.549 talk about Andy Griffith. One time I played Andy 00:12:37.549 --> 00:12:40.330 Griffith's Trivial Pursuit with my dad and Hannah, 00:12:40.690 --> 00:12:44.610 and he got every single goddamn question. Good 00:12:44.610 --> 00:12:47.399 job, Darrell. And it was like... It was like 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:50.159 what who was Aunt B's friend in episode, you 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.460 know shit like one person showed up once and 00:12:52.460 --> 00:12:55.159 he'd be like Oh Clarice What the fuck are you 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:59.500 talking about? He remembers watching it I was 00:12:59.500 --> 00:13:01.240 like we got this we've seen the Andrew Griffith 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:03.580 show. We didn't have any fucking ripped us apart 00:13:03.580 --> 00:13:09.279 So after World War two, yes, there's a thing 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.940 that many people are aware of called operation 00:13:11.940 --> 00:13:18.139 paperclip Yes, which is which is an ugly scar 00:13:18.139 --> 00:13:20.860 on our nation's history and every other nation's 00:13:20.860 --> 00:13:23.600 history but that's when we got a bunch of nazi 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:26.340 scientists right after the war and we scooped 00:13:26.340 --> 00:13:30.539 them right up like over 1600 over 1600 yeah that's 00:13:30.539 --> 00:13:32.039 the number yeah that's the numbers they say that 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:34.259 we're aware of it's probably a lot more and they 00:13:34.259 --> 00:13:37.879 weren't just in the space program yeah the story 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:40.139 is often hey we did it that's how we got to them 00:13:40.139 --> 00:13:44.870 yeah no no We did it for a lot of reasons. They 00:13:44.870 --> 00:13:47.309 invented departments for these guys to head. 00:13:50.029 --> 00:13:54.250 They were big in mind control, and they were 00:13:54.250 --> 00:13:56.309 big in human experimentation. And that's from 00:13:56.309 --> 00:13:59.269 the Korean War mostly, right? Oh no, I mean the 00:13:59.269 --> 00:14:01.990 Nazis were. The Nazis had already begun that 00:14:01.990 --> 00:14:05.769 work. And here I would like to point out two 00:14:05.769 --> 00:14:11.210 people that are earlier than this, but are important 00:14:11.210 --> 00:14:18.100 in I gotta scroll down. Okay, there we go. One 00:14:18.100 --> 00:14:22.200 is a man named J .B. Ryan. Yes. Joseph Banks 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:27.419 Ryan, who was a early promoter of parapsychology. 00:14:27.580 --> 00:14:29.860 And a botanist. Yeah, I don't know if that's 00:14:29.860 --> 00:14:31.519 related. I mean, kind of his drugs are used and 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.440 all this shit. It's all holistic. But in the 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.960 20s, he was testing ESP, telepathy, telekinesis. 00:14:40.429 --> 00:14:45.590 at Duke University. He put out

books on it, and 00:14:45.590 --> 00:14:47.909 he was trying to demonstrate measurable psychic 00:14:47.909 --> 00:14:50.889 phenomenon using statistical methods. Yeah, he 00:14:50.889 --> 00:14:53.730 was really exact about his methodology. Like 00:14:53.730 --> 00:14:55.950 trying to be able to replicate it over and over. 00:14:56.230 --> 00:14:59.049 Because he knew it was a fringe thing. Yeah, 00:14:59.169 --> 00:15:05.429 but it could also be very useful. He is not a 00:15:05.429 --> 00:15:10.559 Nazi. No. That's important to note. But he's 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:13.840 on the American side of experimentation, looking 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.159 into things that had previously not been looked 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.120 into. And he's working on all this before the 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:22.639 CIA even starts. So they're using a lot of his 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:24.679 work as a template. And they realize the Nazis 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:26.980 are doing very similar things. And they bring 00:15:26.980 --> 00:15:31.080 those people in. He is also a quasi -founder 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.100 of the concept of remote viewing. Yeah, he gets 00:15:34.100 --> 00:15:37.179 referenced a lot for that. Like, he was not. 00:15:37.470 --> 00:15:40.690 doing what became known as remote viewing, but 00:15:40.690 --> 00:15:43.269 his ideas led to the study of remote viewing. 00:15:43.389 --> 00:15:46.009 Which is something the government really is keen 00:15:46.009 --> 00:15:51.889 on. It still is. Yeah, and remote viewing also 00:15:51.889 --> 00:15:55.110 picked up its steam in like the late 70s through 00:15:55.110 --> 00:15:58.669 the 90s, so it's not super fucking related to 00:15:58.669 --> 00:16:02.169 what we're talking about here, but it is in the 00:16:02.169 --> 00:16:04.850 continuation of the work being done by the government 00:16:04.850 --> 00:16:11.379 for mind control. So a lot of these people that 00:16:11.379 --> 00:16:17.320 are involved in Our mind control programs, yes 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:21.240 also come out of our war offices, right? We'll 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:24.399 get into some of them in a minute We'll get into 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:30.000 one of them now Why not? Yeah So I got him Henry 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:34.519 Beecher, okay was a Harvard professor and He 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:39.090 was doing work just during the end of World War 00:16:39.090 --> 00:16:42.309 II and after World War II with some Nazi scientists 00:16:42.309 --> 00:16:46.330 that was in relation to mind control and psychoactive 00:16:46.330 --> 00:16:51.230 substances. Okay. So he was one of the people 00:16:51.230 --> 00:16:53.029 tasked with investigating the research that the 00:16:53.029 --> 00:16:55.049 Nazis were doing during the war and seeing what 00:16:55.049 --> 00:17:00.210 they could pull from them. Okay. Yeah. His focus 00:17:00.210 --> 00:17:03.980 was initially On mescaline specifically. Yeah, 00:17:03.980 --> 00:17:07.240 it is also important to note that a lot of people's 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:11.059 first Drugs are different than they were now, 00:17:11.059 --> 00:17:15.839 okay Throughout this whole story right like what 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.160 people had access to what was popular what was 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:21.980 being used, right? So like if you look at People 00:17:21.980 --> 00:17:25.240 calling stuff speed. Yeah in the Haight -Ashbury 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:29.079 district in 1967. We call that meth. Yeah, it's 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:32.609 the same thing. Mm -hmm, right um it's referred 00:17:32.609 --> 00:17:34.849 to in different ways sure and different things 00:17:34.849 --> 00:17:36.990 are more popular like mescaline was very popular 00:17:36.990 --> 00:17:39.509 and then they were like well actually lsd can 00:17:39.509 --> 00:17:42.250 be made we don't have to like grow it then it 00:17:42.250 --> 00:17:45.569 got real popular and it's very similar um like 00:17:45.569 --> 00:17:47.730 aldous huxley his his door is a perception is 00:17:47.730 --> 00:17:50.390 all is all mescaline it's common misconception 00:17:50.390 --> 00:17:53.410 that it's an lsd book having experience with 00:17:53.410 --> 00:17:56.390 both drugs they are similar but it's definitely 00:17:56.390 --> 00:17:59.950 a different uh yeah well also i find between 00:17:59.950 --> 00:18:06.500 like any holistic hallucinogen versus acid, the 00:18:06.500 --> 00:18:11.099 holistic ones are way better. I think it just 00:18:11.099 --> 00:18:12.799 depends on the kind of acid you get, but yeah, 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.359 I see your point. Acid fuels clinical is the 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:17.200 way that I've always thought of it. Sure. Like 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:20.700 an acid acid trip, an acid acid trip. Man, this 00:18:20.700 --> 00:18:24.509 acid trip is fucking acid, man. It's acidic. 00:18:24.849 --> 00:18:27.210 I feel like you have less control over the situation. 00:18:28.410 --> 00:18:31.349 If you're someone who does mushrooms a bunch, 00:18:31.849 --> 00:18:33.970 you get to a point where you can pull yourself 00:18:33.970 --> 00:18:37.009 in and out of the actual hallucination part. 00:18:37.490 --> 00:18:39.309 When I lived in San Francisco, I was doing them 00:18:39.309 --> 00:18:41.289 a lot. And I could be in the middle of a trip 00:18:41.289 --> 00:18:43.750 and be like, I should make dinner, not be high 00:18:43.750 --> 00:18:46.619 for an hour. make me fucking dinner, eat it, 00:18:46.779 --> 00:18:48.440 and then go, okay, let's get back to that. And 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:51.500 then access, yes. But on fucking acid, you cannot 00:18:51.500 --> 00:18:53.420 do that. Well, an acid is also a lot easier to 00:18:53.420 --> 00:18:57.039 dose people with. Like, it's less of a, like 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.740 you said, a natural feeling, and it doesn't come 00:18:59.740 --> 00:19:02.119 on quite. So you can be a liquid and no taste 00:19:02.119 -->

00:19:04.000 and smell, and it's impossible to fucking tell 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:05.519 that you've taken it. So it was perfect for testing 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:07.539 on people. Yes, who did not want to be tested 00:19:07.539 --> 00:19:12.440 on. Yes, that's key to remember. Basically, LSD 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:16.690 was... discovered in the late 40s in Switzerland 00:19:16.690 --> 00:19:21.089 by 1943 by early mid 40s. Oh, I can't remember 00:19:21.089 --> 00:19:23.950 his name. The bicycle guy. It's June 19th this 00:19:23.950 --> 00:19:25.750 bicycle day. Yeah. I just can't remember his 00:19:25.750 --> 00:19:26.970 name. You know who we're talking about. You know 00:19:26.970 --> 00:19:28.049 who we're talking about. I didn't mean to say 00:19:28.049 --> 00:19:29.589 late 40s because Nazis wouldn't have been involved, 00:19:29.730 --> 00:19:32.250 but it happened in Switzerland. Switzerland was 00:19:32.250 --> 00:19:35.069 a neutral country that was not neutral. Right, 00:19:35.309 --> 00:19:37.809 exactly. That's also key to point out. They were 00:19:37.809 --> 00:19:40.230 very much a Nazi country. They were hiding all 00:19:40.230 --> 00:19:44.230 of their money and art and giving them LSD to 00:19:44.230 --> 00:19:47.789 do their experiments on so this guy Henry Beecher 00:19:47.789 --> 00:19:51.849 and others okay took what the Nazis were doing 00:19:51.849 --> 00:19:54.650 in their mind control studies yes and implemented 00:19:54.650 --> 00:19:58.569 it into America now they were they got to compare 00:19:58.569 --> 00:20:00.910 notes they got to compare notes they were working 00:20:00.910 --> 00:20:06.009 on really creepy MKUltra officially starts in 00:20:06.009 --> 00:20:09.650 1953. There's other things like MK Naomi, and 00:20:09.650 --> 00:20:12.210 not MK Naomi, Blue, not Blue Bird, Blue Bird, 00:20:12.250 --> 00:20:14.529 yeah, Blue Bird. Blue Bird is a little bit before 00:20:14.529 --> 00:20:16.789 this, but it's very similar, where they're looking 00:20:16.789 --> 00:20:19.109 at mind control, but then everything involved 00:20:19.109 --> 00:20:21.549 in this gets put into the umbrella of MKUltra. 00:20:22.109 --> 00:20:26.450 So MKUltra has a lot of different sub -projects 00:20:26.450 --> 00:20:31.309 and operations under it. Now, one of the big 00:20:31.309 --> 00:20:34.960 things that happened Instantly after World War 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:37.859 two instead we got to test all this shit on yeah 00:20:37.859 --> 00:20:43.460 was Korea so When we're looking at Korea, there's 00:20:43.460 --> 00:20:48.740 two aspects of it one is We're now actively fighting 00:20:48.740 --> 00:20:52.500 the communist the Soviets right who in the Chinese 00:20:52.500 --> 00:20:56.640 who are used to be our allies Four years before 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:00.079 and now are not so everything that is done is 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:04.660 done in Under the guise of a response to what 00:21:04.660 --> 00:21:06.720 they're gonna do it.

So we have to do this Oh, 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:09.180 yeah, it was definitely an imaginary arms race 00:21:09.180 --> 00:21:15.259 I'm actually going to Pull up. I Should have 00:21:15.259 --> 00:21:17.440 had this pulled up before but I want to pull 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:22.480 up an MK ultra Like at the actual documents. 00:21:22.539 --> 00:21:24.359 Yeah, I was just a bunch of pictures of people 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:28.059 around the acala maybe killed Isn't that nice? 00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:34.700 Yeah, this whole fucking thing's a bummer. It 00:21:34.700 --> 00:21:37.099 really is. Do you ever just get sick of abusing 00:21:37.099 --> 00:21:43.420 people of their heroes? Maybe. It can be fun, 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:50.980 but But the the guys who started MKUltra Because 00:21:50.980 --> 00:21:53.759 if you listen to Tom O 'Neil then you're looking 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.119 at... I like how you stopped and stalled at the 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:00.039 point. I want you to see it. We're looking at 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:02.359 Tom O 'Neill's story of the whole thing. Jolly 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:08.559 West is like a main guy. Yeah, he was... He wasn't. 00:22:08.740 --> 00:22:11.759 He was part of a greater system. Just like Manson 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:16.299 was, and Epstein is, and all this. The thing 00:22:16.299 --> 00:22:20.140 with MKUltra was that Alan Dulles, who was a 00:22:20.140 --> 00:22:22.759 former head of the OSS, along with Wild Bill 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.579 Donovan, the OSS became the CIA. The OSS was 00:22:26.579 --> 00:22:30.420 the war version of the CIA. Him and a guy named 00:22:30.420 --> 00:22:35.380 Sidney Gottlieb were the main architects of this 00:22:35.380 --> 00:22:38.680 shit. Of MKUltra? Or just the CIA at this point? 00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:43.460 Dolis was the CIA. Right. And then MKUltra was 00:22:43.460 --> 00:22:48.579 Sidney Gottlieb's, like, baby, essentially. Operation, 00:22:48.619 --> 00:22:51.279 yeah, Project Artichoke and Bluebird were precursors 00:22:51.279 --> 00:23:00.299 to MKUltra. And basically Artichoke was... Overseas 00:23:00.299 --> 00:23:05.319 and Bluebird, I believe, was here. The statement 00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:09.500 of MKUltra that I wanted to find here is essentially 00:23:09.500 --> 00:23:13.460 their argument. Because of reports, this is from 00:23:13.460 --> 00:23:16.079 the approval of MKUltra, by the way, in 1953. 00:23:16.299 --> 00:23:21.019 Because of reports that the Soviet Union may 00:23:21.019 --> 00:23:22.819 have developed the capability to affect human 00:23:22.819 --> 00:23:25.039 behavior through the use of drugs, the agency 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:27.019 initiated a program of research in this area 00:23:27.019 --> 00:23:30.539 called MKUltra. Yeah, because if they can do 00:23:30.539 --> 00:23:34.480 it we have to do it better. Uh -huh. Yeah This 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:37.940 is a there's another This is when the human mind 00:23:37.940 --> 00:23:41.059 becomes the battlefield. It's mind wars. We'll 00:23:41.059 --> 00:23:45.859 get to as well. This is another Interior document 00:23:45.859 --> 00:23:50.079 right on MK ultra so we have scope of MK ultra 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:52.759 charter Over the 10 -year life of the program, 00:23:52.819 --> 00:23:54.619 by the way, 10 years was not as long as it ran. 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:56.940 That was when they got caught the first time. 00:23:57.279 --> 00:23:59.559 The 10 -year life of the program, many additional 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:01.400 avenues to the control of human behavior has 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:04.480 been designated by the TSD management as appropriate 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:07.559 to investigate under the MKUltra charter, including 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.319 radiation, electroshock, various fields of psychology, 00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:14.240 psychiatry, sociology, and anthropology, graphology, 00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:16.599 I don't actually know what that is, harassment 00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:20.140 substances, and paramilitary devices and materials. 00:24:20.670 --> 00:24:23.150 Various projects do not appear to have been sufficiently 00:24:23.150 --> 00:24:26.549 sufficiently sensitive to warrant waiver of normal 00:24:26.549 --> 00:24:29.910 agency procedures for authority authorization 00:24:29.910 --> 00:24:34.309 and control That's them in 1964 being like 64. 00:24:34.549 --> 00:24:37.529 Yes Being like we got caught and we're done. 00:24:37.569 --> 00:24:40.109 Yeah, right again supporting note that Jolly 00:24:40.109 --> 00:24:43.799 West who was Not the architect but was doing 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:47.599 MKUltra work after 1964. Yeah, he was being he 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:50.420 wasn't not doing what O 'Neill says he just wasn't 00:24:50.420 --> 00:24:53.460 the only O 'Neill just makes it sound like these 00:24:53.460 --> 00:24:57.319 are like rare occurrences of just crazy lone 00:24:57.319 --> 00:24:59.220 Gunmen, I guess you could say another thing I 00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:02.460 would like to read. Yeah And this is again from 00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:05.420 the initial days of MKUltra being in existence 00:25:05.420 --> 00:25:08.500 is final phase testing of MKUltra substances 00:25:08.500 --> 00:25:12.619 or devices on unwitting suspects Subjects is 00:25:12.619 --> 00:25:15.019 recognized to be an activity of genuine importance 00:25:15.019 --> 00:25:18.000 in the development of some but not all MKUltra 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:20.819 products. Termination of such testing would have 00:25:20.819 --> 00:25:24.660 some, but it's hard to read a scanned document, 00:25:25.220 --> 00:25:27.640 but an essentially indeterminate effect on the 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:29.880 development of operational capability in this 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:32.579 field. of more critical significance, however, 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:34.940 is the risk of serious damage to the agency. 00:25:34.940 --> 00:25:37.519 Right. In the

event of compromise of the true 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:39.779 natures of this activity. So this is them saying, 00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:42.519 hey, we need to test things on people to find 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:45.039 out we're going to be in such big fucking guys. 00:25:45.779 --> 00:25:48.039 So we can't you can't make a stop and you can't 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:52.460 let anybody know. Yeah. And that's why they've 00:25:52.460 --> 00:25:55.200 been doing it this whole time. I also hear have 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.099 like the actual. Sydney Gottlieb approval document 00:25:58.099 --> 00:26:04.259 happening June 9th, 1953. Okay. And basically, 00:26:04.660 --> 00:26:07.619 there's, there's a number of redactions here, 00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:11.240 a number, but some project eight had to make 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:13.579 sure that was Nate is being set up as a means 00:26:13.579 --> 00:26:15.720 to continue the present work in the general field 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:20.579 of LSD at redacted until 11 September 1954. So 00:26:20.579 --> 00:26:22.740 it's approval for basically a year of MK ultra 00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:26.170 happening. Uh, this project will include a continuation 00:26:26.170 --> 00:26:29.150 of the study of biochemical and neuropsychological, 00:26:29.529 --> 00:26:31.990 sociological, and clinical psychiatric aspects 00:26:31.990 --> 00:26:37.769 of LSD and also a study of LSD and antagonists, 00:26:38.109 --> 00:26:42.309 very small, and drugs related to LSD such as 00:26:42.309 --> 00:26:45.710 LAE. A detailed proposal is attached. The principal 00:26:45.710 --> 00:26:50.019 investigators will continue to be redacted redacted 00:26:50.019 --> 00:26:53.440 all of redacted again the estimated target budget 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:57.920 of the project at redacted is thirty nine thousand 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:01.599 dollars which is not that much money no the redacted 00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:03.819 will serve as cut out and cover for this project 00:27:03.819 --> 00:27:07.460 and will furnish the above funds to the redacted 00:27:07.460 --> 00:27:10.200 as a philanthropic grant for medical research 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:13.079 a service charge of seven hundred ninety dollars 00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:16.160 is to be paid to the redacted for this service 00:27:19.310 --> 00:27:23.089 So also redacted, director of the hospital are 00:27:23.089 --> 00:27:25.369 cleared through top secret and are aware of the 00:27:25.369 --> 00:27:28.190 true purpose of this project. So what that document 00:27:28.190 --> 00:27:30.869 is basically saying is we're going to test unwitting 00:27:30.869 --> 00:27:33.609 people in hospitals specifically, but they also 00:27:33.609 --> 00:27:38.670 move to military bases, et cetera. And we're 00:27:38.670 --> 00:27:41.509 going to funnel this money through a place. that 00:27:41.509 --> 00:27:43.809 looks like a philanthropic organization jolly 00:27:43.809 --> 00:27:45.849 west was paid by sydney gotley through the stanford 00:27:45.849 --> 00:27:49.730 university like science yeah there's always yeah 00:27:49.730 --> 00:27:53.450 there's always shit like that motherfuckers there's 00:27:53.450 --> 00:27:55.950 always possible deniability but let's talk a 00:27:55.950 --> 00:28:00.180 little bit about alan dulles yeah Alan Dulles 00:28:00.180 --> 00:28:02.960 authorized MK ultra on April 13th June 9th was 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:04.720 when Sydney Gottlieb was like we're good to go. 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:08.579 Okay, this is both 1953 Yes, he was interested 00:28:08.579 --> 00:28:11.779 specifically in brainwashing of American prisoners 00:28:11.779 --> 00:28:15.000 of war during the Korean War, right? He wanted 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:16.940 to close what he referred to as the brainwashing 00:28:16.940 --> 00:28:21.259 gap Yeah By developing methods to manipulate 00:28:21.259 --> 00:28:24.319 human behavior. He wanted a truth serum to exist 00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:27.059 and amnesia pills to protect CIA operatives from 00:28:27.059 --> 00:28:31.599 enemy mind control Okay, this is so he sought 00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:35.099 out Sydney Gottlieb the CIA's chief chemist and 00:28:35.099 --> 00:28:37.700 top drug expert and they pretended he was gonna 00:28:37.700 --> 00:28:40.279 poison her in chief Yes, he's also involved in 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:42.779 like assassination packets basically where he 00:28:42.779 --> 00:28:47.119 gave him the operatives to poison people They 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:52.039 a good example of Some shit that they were doing 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.799 that was not sanctioned was Operation Midnight 00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.420 Climax. Oh, yeah, that's a fun one Yeah, you 00:28:57.420 --> 00:29:00.099 want to talk about it? You know better than I 00:29:00.099 --> 00:29:03.279 do because you're from the area They basically 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:05.380 this was San Francisco, right? I'm not from San 00:29:05.380 --> 00:29:07.160 Francisco. Well, you mean you've lived there 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:11.460 Yeah, but that's when they they got John's now 00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:14.700 who were the John's they were using So was it 00:29:14.700 --> 00:29:17.039 just random because I was always curious about 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:20.680 how they got Because it's easy to get... Operation 00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:23.299 Midnight Climax is where they had a brothel set 00:29:23.299 --> 00:29:28.160 up and the guys would get dosed, they'd fuck, 00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.140 and then they'd tell all their secrets essentially. 00:29:30.500 --> 00:29:33.000 In front of two -way mirrors and recording equipment. 00:29:33.180 --> 00:29:35.180 And they were being monitored. But everybody 00:29:35.180 --> 00:29:38.240 was doing this, by the way. The people dosing 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:40.660 people were also dosing themselves and everybody 00:29:40.660 --> 00:29:44.039 was fucking everybody. And it's also important 00:29:44.039 -->

00:29:45.680 to note that they set this up in North Beach, 00:29:45.859 --> 00:29:48.940 San Francisco Okay, which at the time was a very 00:29:48.940 --> 00:29:52.160 normal place to go and try and find a prostitute 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:55.339 Okay, yeah San Francisco originally it's like 00:29:55.339 --> 00:29:58.079 a ship town Prostitution has been rampant there 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.339 for a very long time. Yeah And North Beach is 00:30:01.339 --> 00:30:04.559 right by the wharf. Okay, so this is no one's 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.599 surprised when there's suddenly like a whorehouse 00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:08.359 in North Beach You know what I mean, right? It's 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.140 not gonna raise eyebrows beyond The ones that 00:30:11.140 --> 00:30:14.980 are already raised. No, they were having the 00:30:14.980 --> 00:30:17.599 prostitutes like ask leading questions and they 00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.720 weren't even... Sure, the girls were working 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:23.400 with them. Yes, they weren't trying to get, from 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:25.299 my understanding, I could be wrong, specific 00:30:25.299 --> 00:30:27.869 information out of these people. They're just 00:30:27.869 --> 00:30:29.529 seeing what they were just seeing what they could 00:30:29.529 --> 00:30:32.329 get what they'd spill after they spill To see 00:30:32.329 --> 00:30:35.009 if this would work as as the truth serum, right? 00:30:35.309 --> 00:30:38.470 Yeah, and they were happy enough with the results 00:30:38.470 --> 00:30:41.710 kept going for how long like 10 years a continuation 00:30:41.710 --> 00:30:47.420 of essentially pimping and Truth serum through 00:30:47.420 --> 00:30:50.460 LSD continues throughout and blackmail continues 00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:52.000 throughout this whole thing Well, blackmail is 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.680 a huge part motivation behind a lot of this. 00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:56.480 I also would like to pause to point out that 00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.119 Marianne de Grimston Was very likely involved 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.900 in the British version of this. She was very 00:31:02.900 --> 00:31:05.559 much likely involved in the perfumo scandal Yeah, 00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:08.539 which again is Marianne de Grimston is is the 00:31:08.539 --> 00:31:10.700 true head of the process church of the yes. Yes 00:31:10.700 --> 00:31:13.119 This was before that happened. Robert was the 00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:15.450 spokespiece. She was the yeah, he was Jesus Christ 00:31:15.450 --> 00:31:21.990 but she was the actual yeah so if you see so 00:31:21.990 --> 00:31:25.150 this is all going on the MK ultra this is all 00:31:25.150 --> 00:31:28.150 through the 50s okay right and if you ask the 00:31:28.150 --> 00:31:32.049 official narrative they stopped in 1964 again 00:31:32.049 --> 00:31:33.950 that does not explain the behavior of people 00:31:33.950 --> 00:31:38.670 like Jolly West in 1967 so then they weren't 00:31:38.670 --> 00:31:41.309 just it wasn't just operation paperclip they 00:31:41.309 --> 00:31:44.970 were also climax or climax yeah thank you They 00:31:44.970 --> 00:31:48.190 were testing drugs, they were experimenting with 00:31:48.190 --> 00:31:52.609 hypnosis, torturing people with sensory deprivation, 00:31:52.829 --> 00:31:57.309 electroshock, subliminal messaging. You ever 00:31:57.309 --> 00:32:00.609 seen the parallax view? Yes. Remember that scene? 00:32:00.809 --> 00:32:04.490 Yeah, yeah. But this also leads into some of 00:32:04.490 --> 00:32:07.589 the more... This is all shady, but some of the 00:32:07.589 --> 00:32:10.049 more shady shit about like trying to create a 00:32:10.049 --> 00:32:13.380 super soldier by torture and... Dissociation, 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.440 correct. This is all part of changing the way 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:18.019 people's brains work, right? I also would like 00:32:18.019 --> 00:32:20.500 to talk a little bit about Sydney Gottlieb, okay? 00:32:21.980 --> 00:32:26.839 basically He was again interested in the same 00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:31.079 things that Alan Dulles was interested in his 00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.420 angle I believe was less national security and 00:32:33.420 --> 00:32:35.599 more What can I do sure because when you're looking 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.240 at a lot of these scientists and to this day 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.500 we can tell with like AI bullshit where they're 00:32:39.500 --> 00:32:42.140 like Yeah, it's probably not great Like Sam Altman 00:32:42.140 --> 00:32:43.759 was like, it'll probably be the end of the world, 00:32:44.059 --> 00:32:46.180 but there will be some good companies along the 00:32:46.180 --> 00:32:48.059 way, so we're gonna keep doing it. You're like, 00:32:48.220 --> 00:32:50.079 why don't do it? You don't have to do it. No 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:51.880 one has to do any of this. But these fucking 00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:55.240 people feel like they need to. They just need 00:32:55.240 --> 00:33:00.819 to see what happens. Also, in 1953, Sidney Gottlieb 00:33:00.819 --> 00:33:03.359 arranged for the CIA to purchase the entire global 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.519 supply of LSD for $240 ,000. He got a lot of 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:12.960 it. That's just crazy that CIA bought the world's 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.180 LSD. They also bought the world's cocaine later 00:33:15.180 --> 00:33:17.539 too, didn't they? And they bought a lot of crack. 00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:24.019 Yeah, they sure did. So basically the CIA is 00:33:24.019 --> 00:33:27.240 the drug kingpin for our country. Yeah, oftentimes. 00:33:29.450 --> 00:33:31.170 And they had all those drugs, and they had all 00:33:31.170 --> 00:33:33.650 these people to test them on. Who were unknowing. 00:33:33.730 --> 00:33:35.650 And they were like, will people kill each other 00:33:35.650 --> 00:33:38.789 if you feed them LSD and speed? And will they 00:33:38.789 --> 00:33:41.029 lose the line

between life and death? That's 00:33:41.029 --> 00:33:42.950 a very important angle. People losing the line 00:33:42.950 --> 00:33:44.930 between life and death. Which I think the cult 00:33:44.930 --> 00:33:46.670 stuff comes into play a lot. Yes it does. They 00:33:46.670 --> 00:33:51.980 were utilizing that. Yeah, yeah also a clever 00:33:51.980 --> 00:33:56.039 Same thing. There's a lot of Examples of this 00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.779 but one example of this happening is there was 00:33:58.779 --> 00:34:01.259 a guy named Frank Olson who was in the United 00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:04.940 States Army He was secretly given LSD And then 00:34:04.940 --> 00:34:08.619 later that day fell out of a hotel window. Well, 00:34:08.659 --> 00:34:13.019 yeah, they called it suicide however It's an 00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:16.599 interesting aspect of his Autopsy is that he 00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:19.769 had been beaten Yeah, the Frank Olson story is 00:34:19.769 --> 00:34:21.949 real weird because it wasn't just like he was 00:34:21.949 --> 00:34:24.309 dosed that day and then something happened. Right. 00:34:24.590 --> 00:34:26.610 Because they would have these parties, the CIA 00:34:26.610 --> 00:34:29.329 guys... Where was the place they would have these 00:34:29.329 --> 00:34:31.690 parties at? There's like a certain location. 00:34:32.829 --> 00:34:35.429 But anyway, they would dose each other as pranks. 00:34:35.449 --> 00:34:38.869 Right. And so Frank was dosed and sometimes you 00:34:38.869 --> 00:34:41.030 have a mind that's looser for that sort of thing. 00:34:41.210 --> 00:34:44.340 Frank was uptight. He was not... an acid kind 00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:47.440 of guy so he had something he was traumatized 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.300 by this and his wife he like wouldn't tell his 00:34:50.300 --> 00:34:53.139 wife about it because it was confident it was 00:34:53.139 --> 00:34:56.920 a top secret or whatever but for like a cup i 00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.460 think it was like a couple weeks before he died 00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:02.730 after the main event But it was like so they 00:35:02.730 --> 00:35:05.190 that's the question is like was he having this 00:35:05.190 --> 00:35:07.909 conscious act up and he was gonna talk Was he 00:35:07.909 --> 00:35:09.869 just not into it anymore, but he knew too much. 00:35:09.869 --> 00:35:12.889 We couldn't let him keep going Did he tell somebody 00:35:12.889 --> 00:35:15.050 he wanted there's a lot of questions about Frank 00:35:15.050 --> 00:35:17.369 Olson either way the suicide Continue to look 00:35:17.369 --> 00:35:22.750 like not suicides. They're called suicides And 00:35:22.750 --> 00:35:26.070 you know some just again you can't pour gasoline 00:35:26.070 --> 00:35:28.849 all over your own dead body. No Bobby Fuller 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:35.780 Now, let's move in to the 60s. Okay. Oh, we should 00:35:35.780 --> 00:35:37.800 play like that one song that always plays, the 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.619 Youngblood song. That's what I'm hearing it now. 00:35:41.380 --> 00:35:44.940 Yeah. Just every time they go, it's the 1960s, 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.400 it's just the beginning of get together. Which 00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:50.619 by the way, you guys should listen to Jesse Collin 00:35:50.619 --> 00:35:52.860 Young. He's way better than just the Youngbloods. 00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:55.199 Sure. That's a push for a guy who's unrelated 00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.699 to all of this. All of this. But he's good. Really 00:35:57.699 --> 00:36:00.360 great. Yeah. We hope he's not related to all 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.440 this. I don't think he is. Let's hope. Let's 00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:05.139 just go with that. I don't know. Maybe. Not going 00:36:05.139 --> 00:36:10.579 to look into it. Don't want to know. So now we're 00:36:10.579 --> 00:36:15.380 going to go into. So MKLTRA is doing terrible 00:36:15.380 --> 00:36:17.079 things, but they're getting away with it because 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.460 it's important to national security and all that. 00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:23.300 And it begins to expand. They also have. Academic 00:36:23.300 --> 00:36:26.739 cover. Oh, that's leading. All right. Henry Murray. 00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:31.039 Henry Murray was a psychologist at Harvard University. 00:36:31.179 --> 00:36:34.539 There we go. He conducted a series of experiments 00:36:34.539 --> 00:36:39.059 between 1959, 1962 on 22 Harvard undergraduates. 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:45.380 OK. I'll save that. The study was essentially 00:36:45.380 --> 00:36:48.280 intended to measure how individuals respond to 00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:52.170 extreme stress. They were torture. Yeah. They 00:36:52.170 --> 00:36:54.829 were made to write essays outlining their personal 00:36:54.829 --> 00:36:57.309 beliefs and, you know, entire beings of who they 00:36:57.309 --> 00:36:59.449 were. That's funny. Scientology does that as 00:36:59.449 --> 00:37:03.889 well. They do. And then they were subjected to, 00:37:03.889 --> 00:37:06.530 as Murray put it, vehement, sweeping, and personally 00:37:06.530 --> 00:37:09.489 abusive attacks designed to assault their egos, 00:37:09.809 --> 00:37:11.750 cherished ideas, and beliefs. And of course they 00:37:11.750 --> 00:37:13.449 filmed it. They filmed it and made them watch 00:37:13.449 --> 00:37:17.789 it back to do it again. Now... I don't know. 00:37:18.030 --> 00:37:19.909 Was there anyone important that was in this study? 00:37:20.010 --> 00:37:21.630 One of those 22 undergraduates? Well, I was gonna 00:37:21.630 --> 00:37:23.769 ask if people were involved in the study ever 00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:26.590 went on to do great things. Uh, I mean, he seems 00:37:26.590 --> 00:37:30.670 to be right more and more every day. One of the 00:37:30.670 --> 00:37:33.309 subjects was Ted Kaczynski. Ah, the Unabomber. 00:37:33.550 --> 00:37:36.389 Yeah, who, again, if you just spent 10 minutes 00:37:36.389 --> 00:37:38.170 on fucking

Instagram, you'll be like, he made 00:37:38.170 --> 00:37:44.380 some points. Anyway, so he was in the... So he 00:37:44.380 --> 00:37:48.440 was a victim of MKUltra? Or an MKUltra adjacent 00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:52.219 program. He was in a three -year long study, 00:37:52.340 --> 00:37:55.380 this study, for three years. Okay. And it reports 00:37:55.380 --> 00:37:58.360 over 200 hours spent in these sessions, which 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.199 he described as the worst experience of his life. 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:07.159 No kidding. Yeah. Jesus Christ. So it's almost 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.500 like Murray was also a previous OSS employee 00:38:10.500 --> 00:38:14.360 during World War Two. And he evaluated psychological 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:16.920 assessment techniques for spies and agents who 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.900 were under duress. He also wrote a book on the 00:38:19.900 --> 00:38:23.440 personality of Adolf Hitler. OK, that's interesting. 00:38:23.900 --> 00:38:27.159 Yeah. Again, though, we're going back in the 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:32.909 people. Breaking down. an individual's concept 00:38:32.909 --> 00:38:35.269 of who they are. Yeah, this is a theory behind 00:38:35.269 --> 00:38:37.289 a lot of the terrible things that happen, like, 00:38:37.429 --> 00:38:41.429 say, to kids. And adults. And adults. And dogs. 00:38:41.650 --> 00:38:45.150 And dogs, yeah. But the idea that you can first 00:38:45.150 --> 00:38:48.349 break someone down so thoroughly that you can 00:38:48.349 --> 00:38:50.590 piece them together how you wish. Right. And 00:38:50.590 --> 00:38:53.269 put it under the guise of scientific research 00:38:53.269 --> 00:38:59.309 or a new church. Exactly. You know? Now we'll 00:38:59.309 --> 00:39:02.230 look at Jolly West. Okay. If you've listened 00:39:02.230 --> 00:39:04.010 to Chaos, you've heard a lot of this in more 00:39:04.010 --> 00:39:06.090 detail. And again, I don't think it's wrong. 00:39:06.409 --> 00:39:09.030 No. I think it's not the whole story. It's just, 00:39:09.050 --> 00:39:11.510 it seems like a lot of hand waving about look 00:39:11.510 --> 00:39:13.750 over here, look at this, look over here when 00:39:13.750 --> 00:39:15.889 there's a bunch of shit going on everywhere else 00:39:15.889 --> 00:39:18.949 as well. Right. So, West became a contractor 00:39:18.949 --> 00:39:23.940 for MK Ultra Sub Project 43. He received a all 00:39:23.940 --> 00:39:29.420 -round up $21 ,000 grant from the CIA. And when 00:39:29.420 --> 00:39:32.260 he was a professor of psychiatry at the University 00:39:32.260 --> 00:39:38.130 of Oklahoma, he also in 1953, June 11th, so two 00:39:38.130 --> 00:39:40.349 days after Sydney Gottlieb sent that letter or 00:39:40.349 --> 00:39:43.070 that memo. And that was his handler too, right? 00:39:43.070 --> 00:39:45.210 Yes, Sydney Gottlieb was his handler. He worked 00:39:45.210 --> 00:39:48.949 directly under him. West outlined plans to conduct 00:39:48.949 --> 00:39:52.329 experiments using, again, a combination of drugs 00:39:52.329 --> 00:39:55.710 and hypnosis on human subjects, including airmen, 00:39:55.929 --> 00:39:59.630 hospital patients, and prisoners. In 1956, he 00:39:59.630 --> 00:40:04.130 had a proposal titled Psycho -psychological Studies 00:40:04.130 --> 00:40:07.309 of Hypnosis and Suggestibility. claiming to have 00:40:07.309 --> 00:40:09.150 discovered a method to replace true memories 00:40:09.150 --> 00:40:11.809 with false ones. Why is that important? Because 00:40:11.809 --> 00:40:17.889 he was the guy who was involved in the Korean 00:40:17.889 --> 00:40:21.150 prisoner of war shit, where basically they were 00:40:21.150 --> 00:40:23.409 trying to rewrite these Korean -American prisoners 00:40:23.409 --> 00:40:25.489 of war knowing that they had committed war crimes. 00:40:25.750 --> 00:40:32.840 So that would not get out. He was using both 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:35.719 hypnotic suggestion and drugs to do this, which 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:37.579 is a combination of different angles of study 00:40:37.579 --> 00:40:39.679 that MKUltra was already doing. You know, the 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:42.239 old classical psychophysiological one -two punch. 00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.219 Yeah. Also, he killed an elephant. Oh, that's 00:40:45.219 --> 00:40:50.639 right! Jerk. Yeah, he was stating that he was 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.039 just testing shit on animals. He was. This is 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:54.840 a big part of the book, too. He was trying to. 00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:56.760 There's a thing that elephants do. Yeah. When 00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:59.900 they get into, like, Musk, it's called, where 00:40:59.900 --> 00:41:02.780 they basically go fucking crazy and they'll trample 00:41:02.780 --> 00:41:06.199 African villages and you secrete this liquid. 00:41:06.539 --> 00:41:10.739 And he was seemingly trying to use LSD to make 00:41:10.739 --> 00:41:12.920 them enter Musk to then get the liquid to then 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.239 give it to people. I knew it. People would then 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:18.070 enter that state. Right. But instead he killed 00:41:18.070 --> 00:41:19.590 the elephant everyone laughed at him and he became 00:41:19.590 --> 00:41:22.610 a laughingstock publicly not privately not privately 00:41:22.610 --> 00:41:27.010 He he took out his rage on unsuspecting American. 00:41:27.010 --> 00:41:31.130 Yes, like again in chaos. He brings this up an 00:41:31.130 --> 00:41:37.969 army Soldier I forgot the word soldier an army 00:41:37.969 --> 00:41:42.070 soldier was Convicted of raping and killing a 00:41:42.070 --> 00:41:46.740 very young girl that he had no memory of That 00:41:46.740 --> 00:41:50.139 guy was at a base where Jelly West was actively 00:41:50.139 --> 00:41:55.320 doing these experiments. You do the math. Also 00:41:55.320 --> 00:42:02.079 he interrogated Jack Ruby. You do the math. Getting 00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:04.880 a phone call? I don't want

a phone call. Who 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:09.880 does that? It's crazy. Call somebody. So Wes 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:12.829 Involvement in MKUltra went... through the later 00:42:12.829 --> 00:42:17.909 60s after it was over, he ended up in the Haight 00:42:17.909 --> 00:42:21.289 -Ashbury district and he used the Haight -Ashbury 00:42:21.289 --> 00:42:24.869 Free Medical Clinic as the base of operations. 00:42:24.989 --> 00:42:27.050 That was quite a hub, wasn't it? They had porn 00:42:27.050 --> 00:42:30.030 being made there, they had Folgers working there, 00:42:30.150 --> 00:42:34.670 they had a lot of shit working there. Essentially 00:42:34.670 --> 00:42:37.769 he He also had a crash pad, like a hippie crash 00:42:37.769 --> 00:42:40.130 pad that he laid out. I'm sure it was wired for 00:42:40.130 --> 00:42:41.750 video. Yeah, it was the same fucking shit as 00:42:41.750 --> 00:42:43.730 Midnight Climax but without the prostitutes. 00:42:44.550 --> 00:42:46.329 Which is the same thing they've been doing, celebrities 00:42:46.329 --> 00:42:49.590 have been doing since Errol Flynn. Yeah. It's 00:42:49.590 --> 00:42:51.550 just, it's a common thing. We're watching people. 00:42:51.710 --> 00:42:53.469 Right. It's like, man, they sure like, they're 00:42:53.469 --> 00:42:55.030 a bunch of voyeurs. You're like, no, they were 00:42:55.030 --> 00:42:57.269 collecting information. Yeah. They weren't just 00:42:57.269 --> 00:42:59.369 jacking off. Well, some of them might have been. 00:42:59.369 --> 00:43:01.730 Well, I know. It doesn't always have to be one 00:43:01.730 --> 00:43:05.190 thing. It's never just one thing with this story. 00:43:05.329 --> 00:43:08.510 It's always that and that. I like mind control 00:43:08.510 --> 00:43:14.650 and I do get off on it. Yes! Just a sub note. 00:43:16.690 --> 00:43:19.409 So Jolly West was in Hate Ashbury around the 00:43:19.409 --> 00:43:22.730 Hate Free Clinic in 1967. This is at the time 00:43:22.730 --> 00:43:24.429 where Manson was collecting the beginnings of 00:43:24.429 --> 00:43:28.369 his family, Mary Brunner and so on, Sadie Adkins, 00:43:28.710 --> 00:43:32.940 etc. This group that was with Manson at the time 00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:35.360 were in now the Hate Free Clinic a lot. Well, 00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:37.639 they also took care of your STDs for you. They 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:41.760 did. And Manson and abortions had a parole officer 00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.000 named Roger Smith. Really? Who worked at the 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.019 Hate Free Clinic. Roger Smith had one parolee. 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:50.260 We'll get back to that. I don't think he worked 00:43:50.260 --> 00:43:53.980 for the parole board. Doesn't seem like it. Why 00:43:53.980 --> 00:43:57.000 would he take in some kids, too? Like, you know, 00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.059 when they get arrested? Yeah. And then suddenly 00:43:59.059 --> 00:44:00.920 he's their foster parent? Well, that's a nice 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:06.360 thing for him to do, isn't it? Uh -huh. Anyway. 00:44:06.980 --> 00:44:10.539 These guys are evil, man. Now, I would like to 00:44:10.539 --> 00:44:12.739 note there's another guy named David Smith, who 00:44:12.739 --> 00:44:14.539 was one of the founders of the Hate Ash Periphery 00:44:14.539 --> 00:44:19.619 Clinic, and I don't know what his deal was, but 00:44:19.619 --> 00:44:22.980 I do know that I read probably the most accurate 00:44:23.539 --> 00:44:26.119 Assessment of what happened with the Manson shit 00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:29.960 Through his words. Okay, which were There's a 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.400 lot of them. So we can't I'm not gonna read all 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.920 of it A lot of this shit. I'm writing a book 00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.639 about this. So this will all be in a book Hey, 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:39.539 is that Michael Aquino dressed as a Satanist? 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:41.380 He is a Satanist. What's up with that? That's 00:44:41.380 --> 00:44:45.900 really kooky Michael Aquino wrote a book called 00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:49.059 mind war we'll get to him with another guy who 00:44:49.059 --> 00:44:51.199 you might know from another organization called 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:55.239 turning point USA You just blew the fucking thing 00:44:55.239 --> 00:45:00.179 But basically there was an interview done with 00:45:00.179 --> 00:45:03.400 David Smith Where he was asked a lot about how 00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:09.639 the Manson thing happened? And and it's It's 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:13.860 pretty true He talks about how Charlie was disturbed. 00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:17.650 He was also a very good leader okay that communes 00:45:17.650 --> 00:45:20.210 needed a spiritual leader and he provided one 00:45:20.210 --> 00:45:22.250 there was also a lot of adolescent young girls 00:45:22.250 --> 00:45:23.710 running around who were disillusioned with the 00:45:23.710 --> 00:45:27.090 world needed like a father figure and again Manson 00:45:27.090 --> 00:45:30.070 is older grows 32 when this is going on oh yeah 00:45:30.070 --> 00:45:36.230 and they are not Mary Brenner is old at 21 and 00:45:36.230 --> 00:45:42.420 one of the things he said was There are a lot 00:45:42.420 --> 00:45:44.659 of people like that Charlie and many of them 00:45:44.659 --> 00:45:47.380 are in mental hospitals Any individual who has 00:45:47.380 --> 00:45:50.019 an all -encompassing delusional system that he 00:45:50.019 --> 00:45:53.300 has the answers to is very persuasive to an adolescent 00:45:53.300 --> 00:45:55.300 who is searching for a substitute father figure 00:45:55.300 --> 00:46:01.480 exactly Again, I don't know entirely How good 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.960 of a person David Smith was well, I think he's 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:05.579 a pretty accurate fucking assumption of what's 00:46:05.579 --> 00:46:07.599 going on, right? And I think he knew that from 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.960 experience. I think a lot of

these doctor figures 00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:14.480 these handlers were also like father figures 00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.539 for these young i mean it is important to note 00:46:16.539 --> 00:46:19.699 that i do think the hate ashbury free clinic 00:46:19.699 --> 00:46:23.280 was started for like a real reason well that's 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:25.440 the thing is i when you talk when you first started 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:28.000 telling me all this about manson i was like the 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.519 hate free clinic is a really cool place it was 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.460 a great idea they did a lot of good things for 00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:36.019 people And they were also really easy to exploit, 00:46:36.380 --> 00:46:37.900 because man, there's a lot of stories about the 00:46:37.900 --> 00:46:39.840 hate -free clinic and just like different, like 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:41.960 the porn going out of there, the prostitution 00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.500 going out of there. Oh, also who donated money 00:46:44.500 --> 00:46:49.820 to the hate -free clinic? I know Abigail Folger's 00:46:49.820 --> 00:46:52.179 mom worked there. And her dad gave a bunch of 00:46:52.179 --> 00:46:55.389 money. Yeah, yeah. But there's also, but there's 00:46:55.389 --> 00:46:57.750 a bunch of money from, like, let's find out who 00:46:57.750 --> 00:46:59.909 the hate -free clinic got money from at some 00:46:59.909 --> 00:47:02.250 point, because I bet. Sure that's open. I bet 00:47:02.250 --> 00:47:04.750 there's a lot. I'm sure that's not redacted. 00:47:05.170 --> 00:47:09.550 Redacted, redacted, redacted. Okay, so Jolly 00:47:09.550 --> 00:47:13.610 West. Yes. Ends up, you know, like everyone else, 00:47:14.489 --> 00:47:19.659 stopping MK Ultra in 1973. the church committee 00:47:19.659 --> 00:47:23.159 looks into this because they had been continuing 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.320 to be active way longer than in 1964. And they, 00:47:27.539 --> 00:47:32.460 Jolly West also ended up being involved in Operation 00:47:32.460 --> 00:47:35.980 Stargate. Yeah, tell me about that. Stargate 00:47:35.980 --> 00:47:42.599 is the remote viewing. Okay. And remote viewing 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:47.139 is, for lack of all the scientific terms, taking 00:47:47.139 --> 00:47:51.639 a person putting them into the right conditions, 00:47:52.139 --> 00:47:55.139 and then having them see something that they 00:47:55.139 --> 00:47:57.380 have no previous knowledge of, somewhere very, 00:47:57.380 --> 00:48:01.920 very different. So this was used. So you'd be 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:03.500 like, what's Courtney doing in the other room? 00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:05.139 And you'd draw a picture of her sitting on the 00:48:05.139 --> 00:48:06.280 couch or something. Right, but instead it'd be 00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:09.119 like, well, where is the Soviets' base in this 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:13.780 town? Yeah. Or you're opening a safe. What are 00:48:13.780 --> 00:48:15.800 the files? What's the combination? That was a 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:20.159 big part of it. Report of a remote viewing session 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:21.739 leading to them trying to find the Ark of the 00:48:21.739 --> 00:48:24.000 Covenant To which the person doing the remote 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.219 viewing said it was somewhere buried in the Mideast 00:48:26.219 --> 00:48:28.739 guarded by very dark forces Which you know, I 00:48:28.739 --> 00:48:31.219 mean like I saw that movie. Yeah, also like you 00:48:31.219 --> 00:48:36.840 can just say that Good guessers like I would 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.059 say that too, you know, I remember I remote view 00:48:39.059 --> 00:48:43.980 sometimes but basically Remote viewing was officially 00:48:43.980 --> 00:48:47.179 written off as being better than luck but not 00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.059 consistent enough to continue to be used. Right. 00:48:51.059 --> 00:48:53.460 Which does actually seem like a relatively honest 00:48:53.460 --> 00:48:55.400 assessment because they were like, it did work 00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:58.760 more than just chance. Right. But we can't trust 00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:00.940 it constantly. That was the same with a lot of 00:49:00.940 --> 00:49:03.840 J .B. Ryan's studies. Yeah, like it does do something. 00:49:04.260 --> 00:49:07.199 Right. Like there's as many studies claiming 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.860 for something as against it in this situation. 00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:13.920 Right. Now, another operation, MK Ultra and all 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.880 of its sub -projects are CIA. Was the FBI up 00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:24.179 to go to a thing called cointelpro? Yeah Cointelpro 00:49:24.179 --> 00:49:27.219 was essentially surveillance infiltration and 00:49:27.219 --> 00:49:30.780 psychological warfare being used by the FBI against 00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:34.340 leftist organizations I mean, it wasn't originally 00:49:34.340 --> 00:49:36.739 set out as leftist organizations. It was just 00:49:36.739 --> 00:49:38.880 organizations that might be a threat, but it 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:41.280 turns out they were. It was awesome. Depends 00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:42.960 on where you're coming from, I guess. So if you 00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:46.019 read the declassified FBI files, according to 00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:48.840 them, it's only SDS, which is Students for Democratic 00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:52.059 Societies. It was everybody. But it was, I mean, 00:49:52.139 --> 00:49:53.659 it was just like, we just had to check on the 00:49:53.659 --> 00:49:56.980 Panthers. Who killed Fred Hampton? Either the 00:49:56.980 --> 00:50:02.260 FBI or CIA. Pretty clear. Fred Hampton was a 00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:06.340 Black Panther leader. But he was like a great, 00:50:06.699 --> 00:50:08.199 he was getting everybody together. It wasn't 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:10.940 just a Black Power message, it was just like 00:50:10.940 --> 00:50:16.219 Jesus .2 or 2 .0. So they targeted civil

rights 00:50:16.219 --> 00:50:19.320 organizations, anti -war movements, socialist, 00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:22.219 communist, and feminist movements. And themselves 00:50:22.219 --> 00:50:27.099 and us. They used disinformation. They infiltrated 00:50:27.099 --> 00:50:30.400 agent provocateurs. Right. They ran smear campaigns 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.059 and would sabotage organizations from the inside 00:50:34.059 --> 00:50:36.320 out. I read an FBI document at one point that 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:38.699 was talking about how they completely derailed 00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:44.769 an SDS meeting at UCLA. Yeah. And this was like 00:50:44.769 --> 00:50:54.309 1967 -ish. So this is all going on. After the 00:50:54.309 --> 00:50:55.989 period of time that we're the most interested 00:50:55.989 --> 00:51:00.570 in here, there are other things. We will look 00:51:00.570 --> 00:51:03.929 at right now a man named Michael Aquino. Yeah. 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.639 Who's Michael Aquino Michael Aquino is a name 00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.579 that I he's a man with weird fucking eyebrows 00:51:10.579 --> 00:51:13.719 He's got weird pointy horn eyebrows, and I watched 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.480 him. I watched a clip of him on Oprah earlier 00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:20.400 today This is a headline about Michael Aquino 00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.460 Devil worshiper hold sensitive army post and 00:51:23.460 --> 00:51:27.659 top brass says no problem They're fucking nuts 00:51:27.659 --> 00:51:30.579 Michael Aquino was a army major and former Green 00:51:30.579 --> 00:51:32.940 Beret. Yeah, he was pretty open and honest about 00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:35.329 his And he was the founder of a place called 00:51:35.329 --> 00:51:38.289 the Temple of Set. He was, which was from a branch 00:51:38.289 --> 00:51:41.110 of the, it was branched off from the Church of 00:51:41.110 --> 00:51:44.510 Satan. He thought Anton LaVey was a little too 00:51:44.510 --> 00:51:47.570 showmanship -y. Anton LaVey was very much a showman. 00:51:47.710 --> 00:51:50.110 Yeah. Anton LaVey, by the way, who had the witcher 00:51:50.110 --> 00:51:53.929 Sabbath that Sadie Atkins danced in. Right. But 00:51:53.929 --> 00:51:56.250 Michael Aquino wanted Temple of Set to be more 00:51:56.250 --> 00:51:58.949 serious. Like an actual thing. More spiritual 00:51:58.949 --> 00:52:00.530 and less just fucking... Because if you're looking 00:52:00.530 --> 00:52:03.670 at LaVey, a lot of it is just... He's fine. Like, 00:52:03.730 --> 00:52:05.969 LeVe doesn't seem... Oh, God. What's that interview? 00:52:06.050 --> 00:52:07.650 He's like, how would you describe yourself? He's 00:52:07.650 --> 00:52:11.469 like, a very happy man in a confused world or 00:52:11.469 --> 00:52:13.849 something like that. Like, he says wild shit, 00:52:14.130 --> 00:52:17.530 but... I'd love to have him. I don't have, like, 00:52:18.909 --> 00:52:21.730 any... I don't have anything super negative on 00:52:21.730 --> 00:52:25.070 Anton LeVe. No, I think he was pretty straightforward. 00:52:25.130 --> 00:52:27.909 Who knows? But it doesn't seem like he was one 00:52:27.909 --> 00:52:31.130 of these... Again, he was a showman Satanist 00:52:31.130 --> 00:52:34.489 not a lot like a yeah and a lot of the fun of 00:52:34.489 --> 00:52:38.230 say the the fun kind of Satanism is that like 00:52:38.230 --> 00:52:40.349 just thumbing your nose and pointing pointing 00:52:40.349 --> 00:52:42.250 out hypocrisy Which is a thing that was going 00:52:42.250 --> 00:52:45.070 on anyway at the time. Yeah, so this is just 00:52:45.070 --> 00:52:49.369 to to to go Satanist in the 60s was often very 00:52:49.369 --> 00:52:52.110 much just like and again a Satanist who puts 00:52:52.110 --> 00:52:54.050 on shows at the condor. Yeah, it's more just 00:52:54.050 --> 00:52:57.059 like no I like It's the same today with Magic, 00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:59.800 you know, fat nerdy guys and hot chicks. Yeah. 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:03.000 Now, Michael Aquino on the other hand, who seems 00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:06.019 to be a real Satanist. Yeah, so that was the 00:53:06.019 --> 00:53:08.340 thing, the Templar set, he intentionally wanted 00:53:08.340 --> 00:53:11.280 that to be the real Satanism, not... I would 00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:12.880 like to pause here to point out that Michael 00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.239 Aquino at one point visited a place called Wurlsberg 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:19.539 Castle. okay uh what's that you're wondering 00:53:19.539 --> 00:53:22.239 i'm wondering well did he drink blood there he 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:24.539 did a satanic ritual that has not been completely 00:53:24.539 --> 00:53:27.559 recorded but definitely happened okay uh that 00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:33.000 castle was where himmler Ah. Set up all of the 00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:36.900 fucking SS occult shit. Okay. They believed that 00:53:36.900 --> 00:53:40.440 that castle was going to be essentially the final 00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:42.699 stand location of a battle between the East and 00:53:42.699 --> 00:53:44.400 the West and that they were gonna be victorious. 00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:48.480 Right. They had schools that specifically educated 00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:52.699 people on Aryan mythology and various occult 00:53:52.699 --> 00:53:57.139 practices. They had um... there's a lot of shit 00:53:57.139 --> 00:53:59.980 they had there you can there's rumors of UFO 00:53:59.980 --> 00:54:04.199 talking and going on at this castle etc yeah 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:06.619 but Michael Aquino definitely made sure to visit 00:54:06.619 --> 00:54:11.099 it this is while he was on leave from his post 00:54:11.099 --> 00:54:13.179 as the United States Major yeah did the military 00:54:13.179 --> 00:54:15.739 know about that military knew about it yep military 00:54:15.739 --> 00:54:17.780 didn't give a fuck so is there more of it is 00:54:17.780 --> 00:54:21.579 this tied to Jack Parsons and JPL is this well

00:54:21.579 --> 00:54:23.699 I don't know But there does seem to be people 00:54:23.699 --> 00:54:25.559 interested in this throughout the ranks of the 00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:28.960 military. Yeah, and it sure seems a lot like 00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:32.940 other branches of government. And also, there's 00:54:32.940 --> 00:54:35.340 two other people that were involved in the foundation 00:54:35.340 --> 00:54:40.190 of the Temple of Set. OK. By the last names of 00:54:40.190 --> 00:54:42.750 man and Browning. They're both captains in military 00:54:42.750 --> 00:54:45.849 intelligence What the other the other temple 00:54:45.849 --> 00:54:48.090 set guys were military brass too. They were military 00:54:48.090 --> 00:54:51.590 brass in intelligence in intelligence There's 00:54:51.590 --> 00:54:54.250 also an important and interesting thing to note 00:54:54.250 --> 00:54:56.010 here Well, they also they did wear a lot of war 00:54:56.010 --> 00:54:58.730 work too shit Which is funny because didn't our 00:54:58.730 --> 00:55:01.369 army beat that army the Nazis and then they got 00:55:01.369 --> 00:55:08.829 really into it There is also in Declassified 00:55:08.829 --> 00:55:13.309 documents. Yes I'm gonna find the exact thing. 00:55:13.550 --> 00:55:15.929 That's a great picture. It's Ridiculous. We're 00:55:15.929 --> 00:55:17.369 looking at a picture of him looking like the 00:55:17.369 --> 00:55:21.489 1922 Nosferatu in his fucking goddamn get -up 00:55:21.489 --> 00:55:24.409 in circa 1973 I ripped it. Look at Michael Aquino 00:55:24.409 --> 00:55:25.989 Wikipedia. It's on that fucking page. It's just 00:55:25.989 --> 00:55:29.210 I just took it from there It's not hard to find 00:55:29.210 --> 00:55:32.250 So it's not a secret none of this is secret. 00:55:32.730 --> 00:55:35.309 No So then this document those written in the 00:55:35.309 --> 00:55:38.920 80s It says it is also rumored that the group 00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:41.019 Temple of Set is becoming potentially more and 00:55:41.019 --> 00:55:43.380 more violent as it recruits the less intellectual 00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:46.679 and more undesirable level of people, such as 00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:49.559 some former members of Hell's Angels and similar 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:54.159 motorcycle gangs. Motorcycle gangs come up pretty 00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.179 regularly. It is also rumored that they are starting 00:55:56.179 --> 00:55:58.940 to engage in animal sacrifice. A lot like the 00:55:58.940 --> 00:56:04.500 process. Yeah, so... Now we have a document that 00:56:04.500 --> 00:56:07.099 was never meant to be seen called from Psi -op 00:56:07.099 --> 00:56:10.360 to mind war the psychology of psychology of victory 00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:14.300 and this was written by Aquino and Colonel Paul 00:56:14.300 --> 00:56:17.460 Valley from the lay Valet the Layley the Layley 00:56:17.460 --> 00:56:21.820 the Layley V a L L E L Y and he holds a prominent 00:56:21.820 --> 00:56:26.119 position in another group to doing what? Winning 00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:30.179 people over for Jesus apparently Yeah, that's 00:56:30.179 --> 00:56:36.019 strange. We're gonna Hang on double -checking. 00:56:36.019 --> 00:56:37.500 I just want to make sure you're right because 00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:43.519 that seems crazy. Yeah But while Sam's looking 00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.880 okay, we are looking at a Thing called mind war 00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:49.679 that was written by these guys. See what I'm 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:53.679 saying Right. Yep. Nope. That's all true. Yeah. 00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:57.139 Yep, probably Board of Turning Point USA served 00:56:57.139 --> 00:56:59.059 as a military committee chairman for the Center 00:56:59.059 --> 00:57:02.670 for security policy runs a conservative political 00:57:02.670 --> 00:57:06.170 organization called Stand Up America US, and 00:57:06.170 --> 00:57:09.289 was on the board of Turning Point USA. And he's 00:57:09.289 --> 00:57:12.710 a Satanist. Or at least associated with one, 00:57:12.849 --> 00:57:16.230 pretty heavily. So tell us about this mind war. 00:57:16.230 --> 00:57:18.969 He definitely wrote about mind war. Yeah. Which 00:57:18.969 --> 00:57:24.530 is kind of creepy sounding, to say the least. 00:57:24.929 --> 00:57:28.570 Mind war is essentially a conglomeration. Is 00:57:28.570 --> 00:57:32.400 that the right word? conglomeration, okay. Amalgamation. 00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:35.940 Amalgamation, that's the word I wanted. Amalgamation 00:57:35.940 --> 00:57:38.760 of all of the work that had been being done in 00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:41.619 the Mind Control PsiOp field. Right, right. It 00:57:41.619 --> 00:57:44.739 is a 15 page document that you can find on the 00:57:44.739 --> 00:57:46.460 internet, so please fucking look that up, because 00:57:46.460 --> 00:57:50.820 we're not gonna read the entire thing. But again, 00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:55.119 they are saying that we're not going to win if 00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:59.170 we're out PsiOp. Right. The main point is that 00:57:59.170 --> 00:58:02.829 and then this is how we outside hop This is written 00:58:02.829 --> 00:58:05.250 by Michael Aquino and one of the board members 00:58:05.250 --> 00:58:11.829 of turning point USA Doesn't seem like that's 00:58:11.829 --> 00:58:13.309 true like I was like I can't be fucking true 00:58:13.309 --> 00:58:15.829 It's like when I told my friend that Israel had 00:58:15.829 --> 00:58:17.550 their own operation paperclip and he was like, 00:58:17.550 --> 00:58:20.369 no, no, it didn't happen It was like yeah did 00:58:20.369 --> 00:58:22.610 every country had their own operation paperclip. 00:58:22.909 --> 00:58:26.820 Yeah, just the ones like England had it. Just 00:58:26.820 --> 00:58:29.699 the ones in charge. All of the winners of that 00:58:29.699 --> 00:58:32.500 war had an Operation Paperclip. Including Israel. 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.539 It makes it sound like everything is just a

cynical 00:58:37.539 --> 00:58:51.780 lie. We're looking at post -World War II, there's 00:58:51.780 --> 00:58:56.599 a concentrated effort. Yes to control population. 00:58:56.599 --> 00:58:59.480 It's not a fringe group. Like it's not like certain 00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.699 people in certain words the head of the CIA. 00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:07.420 Yes like These are the head guys. Uh -huh. These 00:59:07.420 --> 00:59:10.820 are the guys who determine policy and It interests 00:59:10.820 --> 00:59:12.500 me as well because like I'll bring this up to 00:59:12.500 --> 00:59:15.179 like my mom and she'll be like, oh that didn't 00:59:15.179 --> 00:59:17.860 happen right and I'll be like, okay Yeah, I mean 00:59:17.860 --> 00:59:20.639 you were alive when it all came out. There were 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:25.510 Senate hearings. There's it did It did happen. 00:59:25.730 --> 00:59:28.030 It's shocking somebody doesn't know everything 00:59:28.030 --> 00:59:30.110 that was going on. But it's hard to believe, 00:59:30.429 --> 00:59:32.070 I think for a lot of people who've looked the 00:59:32.070 --> 00:59:34.050 world in a specific way for a very long time. 00:59:34.289 --> 00:59:38.289 Pre -X files, post -X files. That you are, that 00:59:38.289 --> 00:59:41.269 a lot of things are conditioning. A lot of things 00:59:41.269 --> 00:59:43.929 are psyops, including Jim Morrison. Including 00:59:43.929 --> 00:59:50.230 Jim Morrison? Just teasing shit. You know, and... 00:59:50.230 --> 00:59:56.230 So where do we go from here? Strings, thumbtacks, 00:59:56.710 --> 01:00:05.590 maps. Where do we go from here? This is making 01:00:05.590 --> 01:00:08.090 it seem like a lot of this wasn't just a little 01:00:08.090 --> 01:00:12.750 fringe thing, but a large scale policy, like 01:00:12.750 --> 01:00:17.269 an official policy. Top down. Top down. Yeah. 01:00:17.590 --> 01:00:19.869 And this sounds like stuff that we just made 01:00:19.869 --> 01:00:24.340 up. I always feel like I did. Then you double 01:00:24.340 --> 01:00:26.460 check there's times like looking into the son 01:00:26.460 --> 01:00:29.320 of Sam stuff where I'm going that can't be can't 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:33.739 be that's just You're saying that okay John Wheaties. 01:00:33.739 --> 01:00:37.480 That's a person He does look a lot like one of 01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:45.960 those sketches He did have a dad named Sam Car 01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:51.400 family was trouble. Yeah Should we get into the 01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:56.750 process next Process seems like so let's just 01:00:56.750 --> 01:00:59.309 think about it like what we've just discussed. 01:00:59.309 --> 01:01:01.969 We're doing this long tail Yeah, with them getting 01:01:01.969 --> 01:01:08.130 it up for you with you for you Look at this and 01:01:08.130 --> 01:01:10.590 think how are they gonna get some of these more 01:01:10.590 --> 01:01:13.909 nefarious things through? Yeah, if you had an 01:01:13.909 --> 01:01:16.940 organization that was working with you or organization 01:01:16.940 --> 01:01:20.480 cult yeah say a cult who had their own groups 01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:23.800 of satanic bikers murders and rapists and muscle 01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:27.639 enforcement that's what yeah but like what do 01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:29.880 you do then to get all this done efficiently 01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:33.780 and effectively i think you involve something 01:01:33.780 --> 01:01:35.960 like the process church of the final judgment 01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:41.780 and their overarching church And the big one. 01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:44.480 The big boy. The big one that everybody splintered 01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.920 off of. Because all of these people come from 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:51.019 one organization found by a science fiction writer 01:01:51.019 --> 01:01:54.719 who was sent in to investigate Jack Parsons. 01:01:55.139 --> 01:02:00.000 Isn't that weird? It's real weird. Have you seen... 01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:01.780 No, you haven't seen The Chair Company. The Chair 01:02:01.780 --> 01:02:05.619 Company's a very good show. To Robinson. It's 01:02:05.619 --> 01:02:07.440 like a conspiracy type show based on a chair 01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:10.889 falling apart at his job. I like this premise. 01:02:11.030 --> 01:02:12.670 It's great. But there's a part where he's trying, 01:02:12.750 --> 01:02:15.690 he's on like the helpline with the chair company, 01:02:15.889 --> 01:02:19.130 and he'll be like, don't you think that's really 01:02:19.130 --> 01:02:22.409 quite strange? I mean, I think that's really 01:02:22.409 --> 01:02:25.949 quite strange. All this, don't you think that's 01:02:25.949 --> 01:02:29.309 really quite strange? I think that's really weird. 01:02:30.769 --> 01:02:34.949 Yeah, man. It's really fucking weird. Well, it 01:02:34.949 --> 01:02:37.309 looks like we just created a bunch of problems. 01:02:39.739 --> 01:02:44.460 And saw what was gonna happen. Yeah. Oh Boy now, 01:02:44.460 --> 01:02:50.260 I think we got to get into the big boy next It 01:02:50.260 --> 01:02:52.599 would help point to point a little bit of light 01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:56.480 and all this this confusion. Yeah Yeah, if you 01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:58.199 want to you can we did a Manson series. You can 01:02:58.199 --> 01:02:59.679 go back and check that out But we're gonna get 01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:05.119 back into it. Yeah Well, I mean, you know, I 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:07.400 think The way it was laid out to me, you don't 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:11.159 have like Ronald Reagan without the Manson murders. 01:03:12.300 --> 01:03:14.519 Yeah, it's a hippie book. That's what made Brussels 01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:18.119 thought. And it's also we're trying to drag this 01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:20.860 out until like, I don't know, January of twenty, 01:03:20.940 --> 01:03:23.360 twenty seven and hope that Bobby Bruce will be 01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:26.579 good. Well, because it affects everything that 01:03:26.579 --> 01:03:28.480 we're going that we're seeing today. I know we're 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:32.059 not getting into the current politics, but you 01:03:32.059 --> 01:03:35.860 can kind of see some. correlations oh my words 01:03:35.860 --> 01:03:38.059 guys works for turning point turning point that 01:03:38.059 --> 01:03:40.940 had a fucking martyr recently you know guy I 01:03:40.940 --> 01:03:44.760 mean it's just it's don't you think that's really 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:53.400 quite strange yeah man there's also certain church 01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:55.940 operations that actively infiltrate the US government 01:03:55.940 --> 01:03:59.840 that we'll get into operations no way yeah yeah 01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:03.619 yeah you know that big church has a lot of operations 01:04:03.619 --> 01:04:07.280 and sea org is very much like a paramilitary 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:10.940 is a paramilitary organization and he did claim 01:04:10.940 --> 01:04:15.820 to be working for naval intelligence and again 01:04:15.820 --> 01:04:19.219 it's not all cia no important to know yeah they're 01:04:19.219 --> 01:04:23.440 just a part oh boy uh we're gonna play a song 01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:27.639 next yeah because we're doing that now we're 01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:30.440 gonna take you out on a song that I enjoy. It's 01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:32.300 a good one. You don't know what I'm playing yet. 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:33.800 Oh, I thought we talked about this yesterday. 01:04:33.860 --> 01:04:36.039 What'd I say? I'm not going to say it now. No, 01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:37.940 say it. I'm curious. I can't remember the name 01:04:37.940 --> 01:04:41.880 of it. That one we were listening to. Om Your 01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:45.559 Puppet? Either that or the CCR one. Oh, no. We're 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:46.900 going out on Om Your Puppet today. All right. 01:04:46.900 --> 01:04:52.559 Well, this is not great radio. It's Om Your Puppet 01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:55.860 by James and Bobby Purify. Now see, that just 01:04:55.860 --> 01:04:58.639 makes perfect sense. 1966. Thank you.