Full Transcript for Andy Thomas

be the worst store snowstorm You're not 00:02:05.420 --> 00:02:08.039 gonna have power for some of that. So we're your 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:11.020 energy company So yeah, this is also the energy 00:02:11.020 --> 00:02:13.520 company that undercharged many people and then 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:16.060 made them pay them back. Yeah so like one month 00:02:16.060 --> 00:02:18.659 I had like Almost an a thousand dollar energy 00:02:18.659 --> 00:02:20.599 bill. Yeah monopolies are awesome. Aren't they? 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:23.740 Yeah, and they were just like sorry It's fucking 00:02:23.740 --> 00:02:28.180 stupid. I'm just a corporation Okay, what do 00:02:28.180 --> 00:02:31.500 we have what do I want to talk about? We're about 00:02:31.500 --> 00:02:34.979 to have Some new stuff come out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, 00:02:34.979 --> 00:02:38.280 tell us about that can't yet. Oh shit. You gotta 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:41.520 see it But there are every things that match 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:44.139 We're we're gonna have some cool things coming 00:02:44.139 --> 00:02:45.879 up that I don't want to discuss these things. 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:47.639 You're too far from them Are these things to 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:49.419 wear? Some. Is this what you're talking about? 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:51.020 Some are to wear, some are not. Some are just 00:02:51.020 --> 00:02:52.840 to look at? Some are to have, they're items. 00:02:53.060 --> 00:02:56.659 Some to eat? No, nothing to eat. Okay. But we 00:02:56.659 --> 00:02:59.599 have a couple interesting projects in the works 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:03.060 right now. I'll talk about one, because I ordered 00:03:03.060 --> 00:03:05.479 it, we got a couple skateboard decks. Really? 00:03:05.659 --> 00:03:08.039 Yeah. Alright. With our shit on them. I like 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:10.419 that. Yeah. That sounds cool. They will be cool. 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:12.560 You can use them, you can hang them on a wall, 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:15.060 doesn't matter. We also have some other things. 00:03:15.219 --> 00:03:17.300 I don't want to talk about them because they're 00:03:17.300 --> 00:03:20.319 secret those other things They might not pan 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:21.800 out. So if they don't pan out I don't want to 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:23.479 be like we're gonna have this and then never 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:25.860 do it actually for someone who operates the way 00:03:25.860 --> 00:03:27.780 you do That's probably for the best. What do 00:03:27.780 --> 00:03:30.740 you mean? Because you know, you're a gung -ho 00:03:30.740 --> 00:03:33.180 go fast kind of guy Sometimes if you plan it 00:03:33.180 --> 00:03:35.300 out too much, you're gonna lose stuff in the 00:03:35.300 --> 00:03:37.120 process You know, sometimes, you know, you have 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:39.340 an idea and you just doesn't they can't all be 00:03:39.340 --> 00:03:42.500 winners like There's been a couple things I've 00:03:42.500 --> 00:03:45.020 been like it's a great idea and then I Do the 00:03:45.020 --> 00:03:46.520 first steps then I get to the point where I have 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.240 to make it and I go. Oh, this isn't even possible 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:55.319 Yeah sick Should I checked into that It doesn't 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:58.719 matter. Um, there's you know, it's the middle 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:02.319 of winter, but there's some Bike shows and events 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:04.860 that are coming up. I want to talk a little bit 00:04:04.860 --> 00:04:09.080 of shit. I saw a video From an event in California. 00:04:09.419 --> 00:04:12.479 It's all a lot of familiar faces um and i saw 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:16.180 a lot of people that i just got real annoyed 00:04:16.180 --> 00:04:20.560 at because they pretend these are not the familiar 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:26.319 faces i want to clarify um those people are fine 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:29.600 partially because i know they actually uh know 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:32.879 how to work on a motorcycle you know what i mean 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:34.779 this is a video of a bike show it's video of 00:04:34.779 --> 00:04:37.449 a bike show where none of the bikes run None 00:04:37.449 --> 00:04:39.569 of the bikes probably I don't know California 00:04:39.569 --> 00:04:41.589 bullshit. There's a lot of people dressing up 00:04:41.589 --> 00:04:46.009 for Instagram and Yeah, you know looking like 00:04:46.009 --> 00:04:51.009 they're sub plan sub playing They're cosplaying 00:04:51.009 --> 00:04:53.750 the subculture cosplaying a subculture. Yeah, 00:04:53.910 --> 00:04:57.980 and it's it's very silly. There's There was one 00:04:57.980 --> 00:04:59.800 guy in there that three different people including 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:02.699 myself picked out as being just dogshit. That 00:05:02.699 --> 00:05:05.279 was pretty funny You look that poor guy such 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:08.439 a dick. Sorry if you're out there if you're listening 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:13.819 to this Yeah, I don't know man, but if you want 00:05:13.819 --> 00:05:16.959 to go to some stuff that's not that You should 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:19.180 check out take a shit on one thing and then throw 00:05:19.180 --> 00:05:21.779 you another Yeah, you should check out a party 00:05:21.779 --> 00:05:24.639 at the pen. I enjoy that definitely not dogshit 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:28.360 No, and many of the bikes do run Not all of them 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:30.620 though. Yeah, not all of them. You don't like 00:05:30.620 --> 00:05:33.319 that. I don't like that, but I do like the event. 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:37.660 It's a good time. It also happens in the summer. 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.300 I like that. Yeah, June 6th and 7th. We have 00:05:41.300 --> 00:05:42.819 an episode with Luke Morris from Part of the 00:05:42.819 --> 00:05:45.819 Pen from like two months ago that we get way 00:05:45.819 --> 00:05:48.889 more into that. Do go pretty into that in depth.

00:05:49.009 --> 00:05:52.230 Yeah in July if you're in the Northeast, there's 00:05:52.230 --> 00:05:54.889 a show called idle hands Okay done by the lowlife 00:05:54.889 --> 00:05:57.649 podcast guys. All right, we're gonna have like 00:05:57.649 --> 00:06:00.990 a little episode of them Talking about it coming 00:06:00.990 --> 00:06:08.629 out. Okay and then In October My personal favorite 00:06:08.629 --> 00:06:11.970 is Germantown hoedown. That's really good one 00:06:11.970 --> 00:06:15.110 3 4 5 2 3 4 whatever the weekend of that is. 00:06:15.230 --> 00:06:19.540 Yeah That is in Maysville Germantown, Kentucky 00:06:19.540 --> 00:06:23.139 All of those bikes that are there run. That's 00:06:23.139 --> 00:06:26.360 right every single one because people rode them 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:30.180 there So that's it's a fun time. It's a good 00:06:30.180 --> 00:06:33.139 weekend. It's very old school in terms of bike 00:06:33.139 --> 00:06:36.439 events And how they're set up. It's a great event 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:38.740 That would be going to check out check them out 00:06:38.740 --> 00:06:40.639 on Instagram check out all these on Instagram 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:44.509 And if October seems like it's too far away It 00:06:44.509 --> 00:06:48.370 sneaks up on you. It does. As we learned last 00:06:48.370 --> 00:06:51.870 year. You weren't there for that joke, but it's 00:06:51.870 --> 00:06:55.850 funny. Isn't it great when people tell like inside 00:06:55.850 --> 00:06:59.689 jokes that you were not privy to? I was just 00:06:59.689 --> 00:07:02.430 sharing it with the guests. No, I enjoyed it. 00:07:03.889 --> 00:07:05.970 But there's like four people in the world that 00:07:05.970 --> 00:07:08.949 know what that means. They're bricked up right 00:07:08.949 --> 00:07:12.589 now. Anyway. Yeah, so you know, we got a bunch 00:07:12.589 --> 00:07:14.850 of that. Got a bunch of stuff, man. Stuff and 00:07:14.850 --> 00:07:16.569 things. Once it gets to be warmer, it'll be a 00:07:16.569 --> 00:07:20.850 lot more fun. But anyway, this is an episode 00:07:20.850 --> 00:07:24.970 with Andy Thomas. He just put out his debut record. 00:07:25.649 --> 00:07:28.129 It was produced by Dave Schools from Widespread 00:07:28.129 --> 00:07:34.149 Panic. And he was wearing one of our shirts in 00:07:34.149 --> 00:07:36.170 a picture that they posted for the promo of this 00:07:36.170 --> 00:07:38.220 album. Just want to point that out. Would you 00:07:38.220 --> 00:07:39.980 like everyone to know that Dave schools was wearing 00:07:39.980 --> 00:07:42.779 one of your shirts? I just said it It was a dead 00:07:42.779 --> 00:07:45.879 shirt. I made a while ago But this album by Andy 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.379 Tom is called Highway Junkie. It is out now. 00:07:48.379 --> 00:07:52.000 It is a rock and roll record Would you put it 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:55.540 that way? I say I would say it's a rockin record 00:07:55.540 --> 00:08:00.439 Yeah, awesome He he'll

be you know, you can check 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.410 out his tour dates That'll be a now he's playing 00:08:03.410 --> 00:08:05.389 Florida coming up. So if you're in Florida go 00:08:05.389 --> 00:08:08.449 check that out. Um But you can look into his 00:08:08.449 --> 00:08:11.589 tory dates on his socials and his website Are 00:08:11.589 --> 00:08:14.029 you laughing? I I just forgot all that and you 00:08:14.029 --> 00:08:16.930 remembered it very nicely. Yeah. Yeah, you want 00:08:16.930 --> 00:08:23.290 to know how nope It's on the boss It's a good 00:08:23.290 --> 00:08:25.589 thing you've got them every for it No, this is 00:08:25.589 --> 00:08:27.769 this is my secret before we do an intro for a 00:08:27.769 --> 00:08:30.050 musician I go to their instagram and see if they 00:08:30.050 --> 00:08:32.990 have tory dates published And then I go, oh Florida, 00:08:33.190 --> 00:08:35.549 we'll bring that up. It's a very good move. It's 00:08:35.549 --> 00:08:37.789 a very good move. Yeah, it's fucking classy. 00:08:38.450 --> 00:08:42.110 This is why the PR people reach out to me. This 00:08:42.110 --> 00:08:45.190 and this mess intro. And all the editing. And 00:08:45.190 --> 00:08:47.809 all the editing. But yeah, you can see more of 00:08:47.809 --> 00:08:50.549 him on his socials and his website. You can find 00:08:50.549 --> 00:08:54.470 his website on his Instagram. You can also listen 00:08:54.470 --> 00:08:56.090 to the record wherever you get your records. 00:08:56.230 --> 00:08:59.149 Yeah, do that. Here's the episode. Here it is. 00:09:10.100 --> 00:09:13.039 Okay, so now it's being recorded we have thanks 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:16.779 for moving the day that we did this yeah a bunch 00:09:16.779 --> 00:09:21.480 of snow Yeah, and I don't I do not do snow. I 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:24.200 don't love it. It's still around Where do you 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.720 live? Boyden Beach, Florida, South Florida Okay. 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:32.700 Yeah, you don't do snow No, not anymore. I grew 00:09:32.700 --> 00:09:35.840 up in Virginia and actually my sister just Texted 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.590 our family group chat today first snow and like 00:09:39.590 --> 00:09:44.070 her kittens paws in it, I was just like, I was 00:09:44.070 --> 00:09:46.909 like, no, thank you. Where in Virginia did you 00:09:46.909 --> 00:09:50.210 grow up? Goochland County, just outside of Richmond. 00:09:50.710 --> 00:09:53.289 OK, I grew up in DC and my dad lived in Fredericksburg. 00:09:54.049 --> 00:09:57.269 Oh, cool. So I always have to ask. I went to 00:09:57.269 --> 00:09:59.590 school out in Goochland and then I lived down 00:09:59.590 --> 00:10:01.389 in like, you know, around the fan in Richmond 00:10:01.389 --> 00:10:04.330 for, you know, probably a decade or so after 00:10:04.330 --> 00:10:07.730 that. I've been to Richmond exactly one time. 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:12.179 Even though we were that close. Yeah, only it 00:10:12.179 --> 00:10:14.139 was for a wedding. It seemed cool I don't know. 00:10:14.139 --> 00:10:15.840 I don't know that much about Richmond, Virginia, 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:19.379 honestly Yeah, it is cool. I mean it was a good 00:10:19.379 --> 00:10:23.100 place to grow up. I just had to I just had to 00:10:23.100 --> 00:10:26.259 get south Did you did you start playing music 00:10:26.259 --> 00:10:30.399 there? I did. Yeah Yeah, I started playing music 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:34.080 when I was like 10 Okay, my dad always played 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:38.179 for fun and had a strat around the house and 00:10:38.179 --> 00:10:40.299 you know he'd play along he didn't really have 00:10:40.299 --> 00:10:41.899 a band or anything he just like kind of played 00:10:41.899 --> 00:10:46.080 along with like Eric Clapton and Stevie Ray Vaughan 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:51.539 the best I always thought it was cool so I think 00:10:51.539 --> 00:10:54.039 I think I was in like third grade I like sparked 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.159 the interest I was like man I really want to 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:59.259 play so I saved up some kind of you know whatever 00:10:59.259 --> 00:11:01.879 was coming in at that time birthday money or 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:04.750 I don't know something like that and bought a 00:11:04.750 --> 00:11:08.350 real cheap Yamaha strap. Realized I couldn't 00:11:08.350 --> 00:11:12.750 play the note. I threw that in my little pig 00:11:12.750 --> 00:11:15.289 nose amp in the back of my closet. I was like, 00:11:15.590 --> 00:11:20.269 well, you know, it wasn't for me. And then I 00:11:20.269 --> 00:11:22.929 think like in fifth grade, I saw some buddies 00:11:22.929 --> 00:11:26.330 play like our talent show. And I was like, man, 00:11:26.330 --> 00:11:29.309 I really want to do that. So I pulled it back 00:11:29.309 --> 00:11:34.120 out. And I was like, you know, I Just after school 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:36.820 started, I was like, yeah, let's play guitar, 00:11:36.899 --> 00:11:40.379 let's play guitar. And then basically just like 00:11:40.379 --> 00:11:43.740 stole always like Skinnerd and Stevie Ray Vaughn 00:11:43.740 --> 00:11:47.720 and albums and just like every day after school 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:52.700 was just like huge 90s headphones into the receiver. 00:11:53.779 --> 00:11:58.669 I could hear the record playing back to me. So 00:11:58.669 --> 00:12:00.730 it was like it was fairly quiet, but you know, 00:12:00.730 --> 00:12:03.029 I was just like we're in everything that I could 00:12:03.029 --> 00:12:07.769 So did those your dad's records? I'm always interested 00:12:07.769 --> 00:12:09.769 in like what people grew up listening to because 00:12:09.769 --> 00:12:13.690 it affects them as adults So what your parent 00:12:13.690 --> 00:12:17.330 what were your parents into and is that why you're 00:12:17.330 --> 00:12:21.549 playing what you're playing? Yeah I mean that 00:12:21.549 --> 00:12:23.330 music always stuck with me. I

mean it for the 00:12:23.330 --> 00:12:25.590 most part. It was like it was skinnered one more 00:12:25.590 --> 00:12:28.580 from the road It was, the first Stones I heard 00:12:28.580 --> 00:12:32.159 was Love You Live. So it was like all these live 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:36.179 versions of like my favorite artists. It was 00:12:36.179 --> 00:12:43.960 Stevie Ray Vaughan, Clapton, Frampton. Just like 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:47.059 a lot of the Southern rock and blues stuff. And 00:12:47.059 --> 00:12:50.500 in the car, my parents had two seats, well, maybe 00:12:50.500 --> 00:12:55.440 three CDs. It was Travis Tritt Trouble. Dixie 00:12:55.440 --> 00:13:03.419 Chicks, Wide Open Spaces, and then that was like 00:13:03.419 --> 00:13:07.200 both of their car CDs and then they'd like compromise 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:12.559 on Garth Brooks. Nice. Fantastic. That one more 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:16.639 for the road record is fucking incredible. Dude, 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:20.539 it was the first life -changing record for me, 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:24.959 for sure. I was like going to school. listening 00:13:24.959 --> 00:13:26.980 to that, you know, like Needle and the Spoon 00:13:26.980 --> 00:13:30.120 from that album, and I'm just like, man, this 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.220 song fucks. I gotta tell them. All day at school, 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:35.879 I'm like, I gotta figure this out when I get 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:38.460 home. And I just like, it's such a good building 00:13:38.460 --> 00:13:40.379 block for like a guitar player, because it's 00:13:40.379 --> 00:13:43.840 like, you got the like, three killer guitar players 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:47.000 to learn from. You know, I'm like, picking up 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.480 the strat, learning the Ed King, Steve Gaines 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:52.259 stuff, then I'm like, picking up the Les Paul. 00:13:53.009 --> 00:13:57.629 Learning the Gary stuff and then of course Wasn't 00:13:57.629 --> 00:13:59.769 too long before I was like I was like I needed 00:13:59.769 --> 00:14:04.049 an explorer Learning all the Alan common stuff 00:14:04.049 --> 00:14:06.269 and it's like getting so much education from 00:14:06.269 --> 00:14:08.870 one band, but you know, like three monster players 00:14:08.870 --> 00:14:13.090 It was it was sick. Well, they also like you 00:14:13.090 --> 00:14:15.730 can hear how cool of a band that is through the 00:14:15.730 --> 00:14:17.710 record You know what? I mean, like just let's 00:14:17.710 --> 00:14:20.889 get there saying Just the vibe with like that 00:14:20.889 --> 00:14:24.009 T for Texas when he introduces Steve Gaines and 00:14:24.009 --> 00:14:26.269 he's like we'll show you how an oakey plays or 00:14:26.269 --> 00:14:30.769 something yeah yeah yeah even though there's 00:14:30.769 --> 00:14:32.970 like the stage banner is just like stuck in my 00:14:32.970 --> 00:14:35.990 head it's like let's do some old home and yeah 00:14:35.990 --> 00:14:41.509 yeah dude ronnie van zandt yeah i love i love 00:14:41.509 --> 00:14:45.070 it all well that dude like i get interested by 00:14:45.070 --> 00:14:47.690 certain leading dudes right because like Mick 00:14:47.690 --> 00:14:49.169 Jagger you look at him and you're like perfect 00:14:49.169 --> 00:14:51.950 front man you know but then you look at like 00:14:51.950 --> 00:14:54.889 Ozzy Osbourne or Ronnie Van Zandt and you're 00:14:54.889 --> 00:14:57.789 like how do they do I don't know like on paper 00:14:57.789 --> 00:14:59.909 you're not a particularly great front man you 00:14:59.909 --> 00:15:02.350 know you're not like crazy energy but you're 00:15:02.350 --> 00:15:04.049 amazing you don't have like the best voice in 00:15:04.049 --> 00:15:06.029 the world it's a good voice but it's not the 00:15:06.029 --> 00:15:07.870 best right you know you're not the best looking 00:15:07.870 --> 00:15:11.389 yeah you're not the best looking dude alive but 00:15:11.389 --> 00:15:15.440 for some reason whatever they had going on sold 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:19.139 the entire package of the band. Definitely. You 00:15:19.139 --> 00:15:22.720 know, and that's frontman confused me. I mean, 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:25.419 I think, you know, the songwriting plays a big 00:15:25.419 --> 00:15:29.500 part. And then I mean, some of those guys are 00:15:29.500 --> 00:15:33.879 just like great, like leaders. It's just like, 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:39.860 you know, they're just very, you know, very convincing. 00:15:40.179 --> 00:15:44.440 You know, everything is I don't know that, you 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:47.000 know, obviously like Ronnie Manson had to be, 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:49.899 you know, very convincing of his vision and idea 00:15:49.899 --> 00:15:52.320 to the band, but then it's also to the audience, 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:55.059 you know, so he believes in them and the audience 00:15:55.059 --> 00:15:57.120 believes in them. And it's like, that's powerful. 00:15:58.059 --> 00:16:00.860 Like one of the things we we've been doing polls 00:16:00.860 --> 00:16:03.580 on our Instagram stories. So like we had like 00:16:03.580 --> 00:16:06.039 an actor's one and like a band and musician one 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:10.399 and all that. And the thing that interested me 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:13.059 the most was like the actor was Clint Eastwood. 00:16:13.340 --> 00:16:16.879 and the band or musician in general was Leonard 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:19.240 Skinner and I started thinking about it and I 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:21.980 was like it's like the same thing like they're 00:16:21.980 --> 00:16:25.639 really similar because they appeal to like middle 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:27.980 of like middle America entertainment kick -ass 00:16:27.980 --> 00:16:30.220 guitars Clint Eastwood two guns shooting people 00:16:30.220 --> 00:16:33.419 on the ground but also people like you know high 00:16:33.419 --> 00:16:36.779 art coastal elite people right will be like there's

00:16:36.779 --> 00:16:41.080 subtext to it you know so that shit fascinates 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.460 me because you know they're Acts that like encompass 00:16:44.460 --> 00:16:46.940 the entire range of what people are looking for 00:16:46.940 --> 00:16:52.559 in art, you know Yeah It's a cool. It's also 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:59.019 profoundly American You know, like there's not 00:16:59.019 --> 00:17:01.019 another place so you're growing up in Richmond, 00:17:01.059 --> 00:17:05.299 Virginia, when did you leave there? February 00:17:05.299 --> 00:17:11.180 2021 Oh, so you like started like as an adult 00:17:11.180 --> 00:17:14.240 there, too Oh yeah, yeah, I've been down here 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:17.859 for almost four years. Okay, so what's the scene 00:17:17.859 --> 00:17:19.640 in Richmond, Virginia about? Like what's that 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:25.559 like? Richmond's got a cool scene. I don't know, 00:17:25.579 --> 00:17:29.880 I'm not too hip to what it's like or how it's 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:32.400 become in the past like four years, but I mean 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:36.839 like really trying to make a splash with I had 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.680 a band with my brother like in my 20s. which 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:43.579 actually my old man played bass for when we were 00:17:43.579 --> 00:17:50.000 getting our start. But coming up with that band 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:53.859 around town, the music scene was just thriving. 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:59.960 You could go out and see a kick -ass band seven 00:17:59.960 --> 00:18:03.240 nights a week. People wanted to go see music. 00:18:03.259 --> 00:18:06.740 People were partying. People were out all night. 00:18:08.049 --> 00:18:11.890 It was a cool scene. And a lot of like, I feel 00:18:11.890 --> 00:18:15.990 like a lot of the venues that you could go see 00:18:15.990 --> 00:18:20.109 that at close since like COVID. Yeah, it's the 00:18:20.109 --> 00:18:21.950 same in DC. Yeah, that's the same in Athens, 00:18:22.150 --> 00:18:26.109 Georgia. Yeah, like all the spot like the spots 00:18:26.109 --> 00:18:29.470 like, like aren't there anymore. You know, from 00:18:29.470 --> 00:18:33.430 the 2020 mark. So it's like, you know, that I 00:18:33.430 --> 00:18:36.789 know that has a lot to do with it. And then people's 00:18:36.789 --> 00:18:40.430 people's minds. changed since then too. You know, 00:18:40.569 --> 00:18:44.809 it's like, this has changed how people, I don't 00:18:44.809 --> 00:18:48.089 know, go out, spend money, what's living now. 00:18:48.329 --> 00:18:52.250 I mean, shit. I love getting to bed by nine now. 00:18:52.750 --> 00:18:55.930 It's awesome. Whenever I agree to go do something, 00:18:56.250 --> 00:19:01.230 and then that day comes, I go, fuck! Checking 00:19:01.230 --> 00:19:03.430 the time, like, this was fun, but it's time to 00:19:03.430 --> 00:19:10.880 go! How old are you? 34. Okay, so I'm 29. And 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:14.160 when I grew up, like in

DC, you know, I didn't, 00:19:14.220 --> 00:19:16.559 I was like in the punk thing, we had like a third 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:20.039 wave of it. And we were like, this is the shit 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:22.500 I never heard about Richmond in any capacity. 00:19:22.940 --> 00:19:25.140 But also I wasn't listening to like Southern 00:19:25.140 --> 00:19:27.480 rock or Americana live. It was all punk like 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:32.460 skate shit. Were you guys like traveling to DC 00:19:32.460 --> 00:19:35.440 to see shit? Or was it like a small encompassed 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:39.599 scene in Richmond itself? I definitely drove 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:46.079 up to go see some shows at like 9 .30 and I'm 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:48.099 trying to think where else. Like Black Cat shit? 00:19:49.460 --> 00:19:51.720 What's that? The Black Cat? Have you ever been 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:55.859 there? No, I haven't. Okay. Most of the places 00:19:55.859 --> 00:19:59.460 again are fucking closed. I mean, you see, I've 00:19:59.460 --> 00:20:03.680 played like, you know, Hamilton live, all the 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.440 spots on the wharf, Pearl Street. Union State 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:13.000 Union stage Yeah, so I left DC in 2018. No 2014. 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:16.640 That was a lie And the last time or one of the 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:18.980 last times I was there I went down to that waterfront 00:20:18.980 --> 00:20:21.700 Yeah, I was just like what in the fuck is this 00:20:21.700 --> 00:20:28.720 like? This didn't this was nothing It's dude, 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.799 it's entirely concocted like it didn't exist 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:34.720 Yeah, it was nothing there. And then I'm walking 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:36.960 down and this is a whole fucking town. It just 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.500 came up. Yeah, and like the anthems down there, 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:41.279 which is where a lot like Charlie Crockett whenever 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.039 he goes to DC plays the fucking anthem. All right. 00:20:44.500 --> 00:20:47.900 Yeah, that's why. Yeah. I'm Charlie. We just 00:20:47.900 --> 00:20:50.720 we just saw him on my birthday. I was out in 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:55.859 Idaho and he played the whatever it was called 00:20:55.859 --> 00:20:58.039 Soldier Field or something. It's like an old 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:02.029 prison venue. He played on my birthday and we 00:21:02.029 --> 00:21:05.450 had a day off. I was like, we're gone. He's a 00:21:05.450 --> 00:21:11.549 great show. I mean, shit. I've seen him almost 00:21:11.549 --> 00:21:16.769 every like, kind of step along his path. I saw 00:21:16.769 --> 00:21:20.329 him open for BJ Barham and Richmond from American 00:21:20.329 --> 00:21:25.490 Aquarium solo to like, you know, a few people. 00:21:28.329 --> 00:21:30.670 Better the first time I saw him was like 2018 00:21:30.670 --> 00:21:33.390 and every time I'm like, this is better. This 00:21:33.390 --> 00:21:36.250 is better It

was good before but it's just constantly. 00:21:36.730 --> 00:21:40.329 Yeah evolving, you know, and I think that's I 00:21:40.329 --> 00:21:41.849 don't know I'm not a musician, but I think as 00:21:41.849 --> 00:21:45.509 a musician it's probably Definitely evolving, 00:21:45.710 --> 00:21:48.970 you know the band songs it I mean every time 00:21:48.970 --> 00:21:53.869 I was like blown away even more so do you not 00:21:53.869 --> 00:21:57.920 like steel shit, but like get inspired by seeing 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:00.400 other people play and try and morph it into your 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:05.839 act? Yeah, 100%. It seems, I mean, it's not stealing. 00:22:06.619 --> 00:22:11.200 It's just, yeah. Yeah, I love, I mean, you know, 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:14.759 I love going to see music, but, you know, in 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:16.680 the back of my mind, it's, you know, it's always 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:20.220 like doing some homework, trying to, just trying 00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:23.579 to see what works or like what made me, what 00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:28.960 moved me. And like, how can I, how can I do that? 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:33.059 You know, from my point of view. Right. Yeah, 00:22:33.059 --> 00:22:37.000 to me, like with live shows, I'm a big, like 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:41.839 grateful dead guy. Right. And so, you know, I 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:45.180 went down a rabbit hole when I was like, I think 00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:50.119 it took me until I was like 20 to get to click 00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:53.819 for it to click. And it was it was it was that 00:22:53.880 --> 00:23:00.559 that is it 76 the dead set double disc album 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:05.720 that like did it for me. Oh, no, that's 72. It's 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:07.779 also skull and roses in there and a couple others, 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:12.559 but it's not that one. Okay. Once that shit clicked, 00:23:12.859 --> 00:23:16.500 I went down the fuck. I mean, I was I was full, 00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:19.619 you know, I was couldn't get enough dead learning 00:23:19.619 --> 00:23:22.720 like the whole catalog. I mean, it was all it's 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:26.960 such a good vocabulary to learn as a musician. 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.180 That's a good way of putting it. Yeah. I mean, 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:31.440 it's again, that's like a profoundly American 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.839 band as well. Like everything they're doing is 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.240 a different aspect of American music. Yeah. Often 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:41.039 morphed together. You know, I also always find 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:43.140 it interesting how people get into the dead, 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:44.920 like what makes it click. Like I had heard them 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:47.160 and there was shit I liked. And I was at an open 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.339 mic night with my buddy and he was playing. This 00:23:49.339 --> 00:23:54.150 was like 2019. And this lady who was also his 00:23:54.150 --> 00:23:57.809 drug dealer at the time did sugary. And for some 00:23:57.809 --> 00:24:00.410 reason, this drug dealer hippie lady doing sugary, 00:24:00.730 --> 00:24:04.450 I was like, wait a fucking second. Dude, that 00:24:04.450 --> 00:24:06.430 was one of the songs that did it for me too, 00:24:07.210 --> 00:24:11.009 man. Of course, I knew like, you know, the ones 00:24:11.009 --> 00:24:14.250 like everyone kind of knew, but it was like the 00:24:14.250 --> 00:24:19.250 sugary of that album. I was like, what is this? 00:24:19.289 --> 00:24:22.359 I was like, this is awesome. Don't know. Yeah 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.519 that that that was a monumental song for me I 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:28.519 think that one gets a lot of people for some 00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:30.680 reason, you know, cuz it's not like one of the 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:35.660 main cuts, but it's still around You know, you're 00:24:35.660 --> 00:24:37.420 not listening to like caution. Don't step on 00:24:37.420 --> 00:24:47.420 the tracks being like, oh It's a horrible fucking 00:24:47.420 --> 00:24:52.890 entry point, okay When you left Richmond to move 00:24:52.890 --> 00:24:56.230 to Florida, was that a musical choice or a weather 00:24:56.230 --> 00:25:00.950 choice? Or COVID? It was a life choice, dude. 00:25:01.769 --> 00:25:04.190 I had to get out, get the fuck out of Richmond 00:25:04.190 --> 00:25:10.789 and I just had to, I needed something new to 00:25:10.789 --> 00:25:14.970 spark something new. And I actually, I went down 00:25:14.970 --> 00:25:17.609 to visit my brother and Ended up just staying. 00:25:17.769 --> 00:25:19.630 I just didn't take my flight home and I was like 00:25:19.630 --> 00:25:21.849 I'm gonna figure out a way to make this work 00:25:21.849 --> 00:25:24.950 Did you already love the South like because there's 00:25:24.950 --> 00:25:26.670 something special about the South I fell in love 00:25:26.670 --> 00:25:29.849 with Athens, Georgia when I was 18 And I lived 00:25:29.849 --> 00:25:31.910 I spent about 20 years there and there's just 00:25:31.910 --> 00:25:34.829 nothing like it Specifically Athens, but also 00:25:34.829 --> 00:25:37.150 specifically the South in general just has a 00:25:37.150 --> 00:25:38.730 certain magic to it Did you already love that 00:25:38.730 --> 00:25:40.250 when you moved to Florida or did you discover 00:25:40.250 --> 00:25:43.809 it there? Well, I feel yes, I love the South 00:25:43.809 --> 00:25:48.079 and just I feel like, I feel like I'm so far 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:54.900 south. It's like New York again. That's good. 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:58.440 Yeah. My old Jewish grandma lived down there. 00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:02.480 But, um, I mean, of course the weather's great, 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:05.779 but I was just like, man, I wasn't playing music. 00:26:06.099 --> 00:26:10.359 I was, I was doing tile and bathrooms for a buddy. 00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:13.720 And I was like, I just told my

dad I'd go home 00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:16.670 and like, When I got back, I was going to start 00:26:16.670 --> 00:26:20.950 working for the place he worked for like being 00:26:20.950 --> 00:26:23.670 a lead for like deck builds and stuff. And I 00:26:23.670 --> 00:26:27.230 was just like, I would, the main thing is I wasn't 00:26:27.230 --> 00:26:29.250 doing music. And I was just, you know, it's just 00:26:29.250 --> 00:26:32.670 drinking and doing blow and just the same old 00:26:32.670 --> 00:26:35.450 shit. And I, you know, it had this trip planned. 00:26:35.849 --> 00:26:37.829 Um, I was visiting my brother. We went to go 00:26:37.829 --> 00:26:41.910 see the Eagles and I booked us a little acoustic 00:26:41.910 --> 00:26:45.859 show. Down there and at the end I just like crashed 00:26:45.859 --> 00:26:48.599 with them for a couple of days. I was I was just 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:54.059 like Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna go home I 00:26:54.059 --> 00:26:56.559 Think I'm gonna make this work and his landlord 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:00.819 at the time was was like a big influence on that 00:27:00.819 --> 00:27:04.680 He was an older guy He was like, what are you 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.140 going back up north for it's February breathing 00:27:08.140 --> 00:27:10.880 up there it's like some work i got some stuff 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.099 around the house you know we'll figure it out 00:27:13.099 --> 00:27:17.660 with your bro and oh man i just said fuck it 00:27:17.660 --> 00:27:22.660 yeah i gotta do this i'm just gonna go back home 00:27:22.660 --> 00:27:25.940 and just do the same old shit and it was it was 00:27:25.940 --> 00:27:28.519 the best decision of my life which then led to 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:31.319 the next best decision of my life which was getting 00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.460 sober okay yeah i did i did that too that was 00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:41.339 a big help Yeah, so I didn't move I didn't move 00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:44.720 down to the silver capital of the world to get 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:47.960 sober But I just happened to land right and then 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:53.319 later on Just you know personal choice You gotta 00:27:53.319 --> 00:28:03.119 come by it naturally Yeah, yeah Life I definitely 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.619 love down here and it's an it's I mean I love 00:28:05.619 --> 00:28:10.740 going home to off the road sure I Like flying 00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:13.279 in and driving in and seeing palm trees in the 00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:18.079 Sun out Yeah, I mean it's shit and cold outside 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.619 here right now and it kind of bodes me out for 00:28:20.619 --> 00:28:24.680 six months. Yeah, I'm Coming to Kentucky Which 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.259 is basically Cincinnati. Yeah. Yeah, it's just 00:28:28.259 --> 00:28:32.480 across the river from since II I've definitely 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:36.160 been there. Have you played Southgate House in 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:40.599 Newport? I don't know. I know I've been there. 00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:45.460 I cannot remember why. A lot of people say that. 00:28:45.619 --> 00:28:50.079 Yeah, I think it's my 75. Yeah, there's a certain 00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.119 vortex around here because it's the thing with 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:57.559 the most gas stations for a little while. So 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:01.960 you moved to Florida, then you ended up going 00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:05.980 off and having a solo career, obviously, and 00:29:05.980 --> 00:29:09.099 recording an album. What was that process like 00:29:09.099 --> 00:29:11.880 from deciding to stay there to actually getting 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:19.579 the album done? Well, I say I fucked off for 00:29:19.579 --> 00:29:22.480 like a year. I got a job down here. I was, you 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.319 know, having fun, enjoying the new, you know, 00:29:26.539 --> 00:29:33.930 place, life. Then the day after my 32nd birthday, 00:29:34.029 --> 00:29:38.529 I was like I'm gonna get sober and I'm gonna 00:29:38.529 --> 00:29:42.730 make a record and I'm just gonna go like full 00:29:42.730 --> 00:29:47.930 force with us like just all in So it took me 00:29:47.930 --> 00:29:52.450 from that point. It took me about a year of like 00:29:52.450 --> 00:29:56.009 Getting in a lane blinders on head down writing. 00:29:56.210 --> 00:30:01.039 Yeah every day I basically just started like 00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.039 working as much as I could and writing as much 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:09.480 as I could. And then probably a little over a 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:13.000 year went by and I was sitting on like 30 songs 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.240 trying to figure out my next step. And I just 00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.000 like snapped at work at Buckingham Depot. And 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:22.630 I was just like. Let me see what Dave's school 00:30:22.630 --> 00:30:25.210 is doing if he wants to produce my record. So 00:30:25.210 --> 00:30:27.750 I just like started, I just started making moves. 00:30:27.789 --> 00:30:29.930 I was like, I didn't even think about anything. 00:30:30.190 --> 00:30:33.630 I just, from that point on, I just started like, 00:30:33.910 --> 00:30:37.950 I'm just like, yes, yes, do this, do this. Like, 00:30:38.109 --> 00:30:41.650 and shit just started rolling. How do you know 00:30:41.650 --> 00:30:45.130 Dave? From Richmond, he's a Richmond native as 00:30:45.130 --> 00:30:49.470 well. And we met. We met probably like 12 or 00:30:49.470 --> 00:30:52.849 13 years ago. I was playing with some of his 00:30:52.849 --> 00:30:57.509 high school buddies, like Little River bar gig. 00:30:57.910 --> 00:31:03.029 And he came out and just to see us play. And 00:31:03.029 --> 00:31:05.809 I met him, you know, like set break or after 00:31:05.809 --> 00:31:10.170 something. And so we met then. And then right 00:31:10.170 --> 00:31:14.890 before COVID, my brother and I's band did an 00:31:14.890 --> 00:31:20.259 EP

with him. We like just came back from a European 00:31:20.259 --> 00:31:23.039 tour went and straight in the studio with Dave 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:27.579 cut a few songs and then Basically by the time 00:31:27.579 --> 00:31:30.480 we were ready to like do something with it COVID 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.400 hit the band imploded we had like no money to 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.940 do anything with it. So it kind of was just like 00:31:36.940 --> 00:31:41.940 a Bummer like an unfinished thing So that was 00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:43.940 that was one of the main reasons why I like circled 00:31:43.940 --> 00:31:48.990 back Okay went with Dave I was like, we got some 00:31:48.990 --> 00:31:51.750 unfinished business. Let's go make something 00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:56.890 great. Fuck yeah. I mean, he's also in a pretty 00:31:56.890 --> 00:32:00.329 fucking good rock and roll band. Yeah, this little 00:32:00.329 --> 00:32:03.470 band from Athens, Georgia called Widespread Motherfucking 00:32:03.470 --> 00:32:06.950 Panic. Yeah, that was another one. Oh yeah, I 00:32:06.950 --> 00:32:12.930 forgot. Yeah, he forgot. That's another... I 00:32:12.930 --> 00:32:15.849 like like two jam bands, and it's the Dead and 00:32:15.849 --> 00:32:19.349 Widespread Panic. um really like i think all 00:32:19.349 --> 00:32:21.890 the other ones can fuck off like i tried to like 00:32:21.890 --> 00:32:24.910 fish and i just couldn't uh i went to a show 00:32:24.910 --> 00:32:30.269 and everything just didn't do it um but i mean 00:32:30.269 --> 00:32:33.930 although widespread is like clearly a rock and 00:32:33.930 --> 00:32:36.890 roll band in a lot of ways you know and they 00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:40.190 got the rock and roll they got the swamp they 00:32:40.190 --> 00:32:43.630 got the you know they got the georgia thing it's 00:32:43.630 --> 00:32:48.130 tough let's get you know it's good songs They 00:32:48.130 --> 00:32:50.650 jam, but they you know, they rocked here. It's 00:32:50.650 --> 00:32:53.349 fucking awesome Yeah, I mean there's like the 00:32:53.349 --> 00:32:56.569 panic in the streets tall boy is one of my favorite 00:32:56.569 --> 00:33:00.109 things anyone's ever put on record Just cuz the 00:33:00.109 --> 00:33:01.789 whole time like I'm like, I'll be driving and 00:33:01.789 --> 00:33:07.410 I'll look down. I'll be like I'm going 95 It's 00:33:07.410 --> 00:33:11.970 cuz the song Like rock and roll does you know, 00:33:12.130 --> 00:33:13.849 Sammy Hagar wrote a song called I can't drive 00:33:13.849 --> 00:33:19.680 55 about that exact phenomenon When I was like 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.299 12, I saw that video on VH1 and I was like, oh, 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.039 rock and roll is cool. But so you get in the 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.619 studio with him. I'm always curious about people's 00:33:31.619 --> 00:33:34.960 production style, you know, because some producers 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.059 are like real hands on with it and like help 00:33:37.059 --> 00:33:39.980 craft the songs. Other ones are like just making 00:33:39.980 --> 00:33:43.900 sure it sounds good. What was the process look 00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:47.799 like with Dave at doing the production? Abe's 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:52.960 leans more to the making sure it sounds good. 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:57.440 Making sure Vibe is on. Word for word, he'll 00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:04.339 say, I'm just listening for Hank Nance. Which 00:34:04.339 --> 00:34:11.800 is a big thing. He's listening for Vibe. He's 00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:17.840 a great captain. I'm a construction guy. He's 00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:21.800 like, he's my GC. You know, I get the vision 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.460 how I want to remod, you know, build the house. 00:34:25.820 --> 00:34:28.800 Like he he's my GC and like he he brings it all 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.139 together. Makes it happen. Sees my vision. It 00:34:32.139 --> 00:34:34.960 helps me achieve that. Where did you actually 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:38.559 do the recording? Virginia Richmond space bomb. 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:43.500 OK, so are you doing like a live band thing or 00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:49.650 is it track by track? No, so I put my band together 00:34:49.650 --> 00:34:53.949 Flew everyone in that wasn't already in Richmond 00:34:53.949 --> 00:34:57.369 and we banged the record out in nine straight 00:34:57.369 --> 00:35:02.750 days Done. Okay So like a lot of good rock and 00:35:02.750 --> 00:35:06.610 roll bands record live and fast like we recorded 00:35:06.610 --> 00:35:10.710 So it was court. It was four of us the core for 00:35:10.969 --> 00:35:13.570 The only other folks I brought in were a couple 00:35:13.570 --> 00:35:15.849 background singers and they were all from Richmond 00:35:15.849 --> 00:35:20.409 But yeah, the core four of us which Josh Schilling 00:35:20.409 --> 00:35:25.030 on keys Stephen Campbell on bass and Mark Henderson 00:35:25.030 --> 00:35:29.750 on drums We were all in the same room, you know 00:35:29.750 --> 00:35:34.150 10 feet or less from each other Recorded everything 00:35:34.150 --> 00:35:38.309 on the floor and we got done tracking and we 00:35:38.309 --> 00:35:44.949 did 12 songs We did three songs a day. So in 00:35:44.949 --> 00:35:48.190 four days we were done, like we had our songs. 00:35:49.989 --> 00:35:54.829 And then after that, we just had like some vocal 00:35:54.829 --> 00:35:57.250 days where I did six songs one day, six songs 00:35:57.250 --> 00:36:00.510 another. I was also sick as fuck this whole time. 00:36:01.289 --> 00:36:08.269 Of course. Sick as fuck. But I'll get back to 00:36:08.269 --> 00:36:13.460 that. But yeah, we did like, if I record, you 00:36:13.460 --> 00:36:15.320 know, I record everything on an electric guitar. 00:36:15.380 --> 00:36:17.880 So I went back and did like a couple of acoustic 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.980 things and like some slide. And then if Keys 00:36:20.980 --> 00:36:23.940 did organ on the

floor, he went back and did 00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:27.840 piano and vice versa. And other than that, some 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:29.760 percussion and some background vocals and it 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:36.699 was done. You were sick. You said you'd get back 00:36:36.699 --> 00:36:39.940 to it. I wanted you to get back to it. Before 00:36:39.940 --> 00:36:42.500 I go somewhere else. So right before we went 00:36:42.500 --> 00:36:46.380 into the studio, we went to St. Augustine for 00:36:46.380 --> 00:36:48.460 three nights of panic from my brother's bachelor 00:36:48.460 --> 00:36:53.420 hang. So we went to St. Augustine three nights. 00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.780 We like golfed all day. The three panic shows. 00:36:58.820 --> 00:37:01.929 And I got home. I could feel something coming 00:37:01.929 --> 00:37:05.429 on like the last day and on the ride home, but 00:37:05.429 --> 00:37:09.889 I got home and I got some kind of woke panic 00:37:09.889 --> 00:37:16.489 COVID doom there and my girlfriend had just got 00:37:16.489 --> 00:37:20.690 back from a work trip or something and she got 00:37:20.690 --> 00:37:23.510 home and she thought she had like the flu or 00:37:23.510 --> 00:37:26.369 something and I had some kind of like woke COVID 00:37:26.369 --> 00:37:31.349 flu or some kind of thing. Um, so yeah, you know, 00:37:31.429 --> 00:37:33.949 I wouldn't I wasn't partying, you know, it's 00:37:33.949 --> 00:37:38.929 not like I did a bunch of below and got the Columbia 00:37:38.929 --> 00:37:44.190 flu or something. Um, so like we both got home 00:37:44.190 --> 00:37:50.190 and like gave each other this, like, you know, 00:37:50.349 --> 00:37:54.690 double sick virus, yes, super virus. And I was, 00:37:54.690 --> 00:37:57.429 I was laid out for the next week, couldn't move. 00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.019 So I was like laid out and I'm like, I can't 00:38:02.019 --> 00:38:05.360 believe this before the week before this So I 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:09.260 like literally could not move and like basically 00:38:09.260 --> 00:38:14.639 Until the day I had to Drive it to rich when 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.559 I went up a couple days early to get some shit 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:19.139 together And I like barely had enough energy 00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:21.099 just to you know, get up there and do that. So 00:38:21.099 --> 00:38:25.619 I was like coming off this crazy week I'd like 00:38:25.619 --> 00:38:28.199 not felt like that and by the time we got to 00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.159 the first day You know, I was fine. I wasn't 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.579 gonna get anybody sick by this point, but I was 00:38:34.579 --> 00:38:37.679 still like Coming off of this and like didn't 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.739 take some while to recover Yeah, didn't feel 00:38:39.739 --> 00:38:44.079 100 % right and then we get there and it's March 00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.519 in Richmond and it's literally snowing pollen 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:52.300 It was like oh man

I know it gets bad and like 00:38:52.300 --> 00:38:56.210 I'm you know, she gets covered in Yellow and 00:38:56.210 --> 00:38:59.730 but my allergies are real bad And it was raining. 00:38:59.730 --> 00:39:04.150 I mean it was So on top of coming off of that 00:39:04.150 --> 00:39:08.449 I get like all congested like How am I gonna 00:39:08.449 --> 00:39:12.289 sing at the end of this fucking week? so That 00:39:12.289 --> 00:39:15.889 was just a lot. I got you know, of course we 00:39:15.889 --> 00:39:19.070 kept you kept rolling and you know, I didn't 00:39:19.070 --> 00:39:24.039 But you did it and it sounds good. Yeah Congrats. 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.739 The greatest things come from people who are 00:39:27.739 --> 00:39:30.880 sick and shit like that. I'm like, no, they don't. 00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:35.820 Thanks for the encouragement. You're just trying 00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:42.880 to be nice. So you get that record done and it's 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:46.579 your solo debut record, right? Yeah. Okay. I 00:39:46.579 --> 00:39:52.440 didn't miss something. With a solo debut record, 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.780 what does the plan look like to get it in front 00:39:55.780 --> 00:40:00.079 of people and have it like, make a splash? I 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.019 mean, I've sent it to every industry folks, folk 00:40:04.019 --> 00:40:07.639 I know, and asked them to pass on to everybody 00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:11.079 I know. But I mean, I brought on a great PR team, 00:40:11.860 --> 00:40:15.400 which is why we're doing this. Yeah, that is 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:22.110 how that works. you know, just like kind of put 00:40:22.110 --> 00:40:27.329 every penny I've had, you know, I have into, 00:40:27.329 --> 00:40:29.849 well, one, making the best record I could, but 00:40:29.849 --> 00:40:32.789 also in the release side, as far as, you know, 00:40:33.030 --> 00:40:38.289 radio promoters and PR and making sure I'm on 00:40:38.289 --> 00:40:42.170 top of, you know, the lovely social media. And 00:40:42.170 --> 00:40:45.909 I've got a couple of, you know, industry friends 00:40:45.909 --> 00:40:49.829 that are in my corner and helping out. Yeah, 00:40:49.849 --> 00:40:52.570 just trying to get this thing to go as far as 00:40:52.570 --> 00:40:55.469 it can. Does that aspect come naturally to you 00:40:55.469 --> 00:40:57.929 or is that a big pain in the ass? You're like, 00:40:57.949 --> 00:40:59.590 no, I just wanted to make the art. I don't want 00:40:59.590 --> 00:41:01.889 to have to sell the art. Or is it like, well, 00:41:01.909 --> 00:41:06.070 this is part B of my plan? Well, I've embraced 00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:14.050 it. Yeah. I mean, I used to, you know. You know, 00:41:14.269 --> 00:41:17.599 despise like that that whole. side of it, but 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.260 then, you know, then I, since I was like, well, 00:41:20.380 --> 00:41:23.059 if you want to do anything with this business 00:41:23.059 --> 00:41:28.719 and. You don't

have that luxury. Yeah. No, no, 00:41:28.820 --> 00:41:33.099 no. Are you independent or do you have a label? 00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.380 I'm independent. Okay. So you like, especially 00:41:36.380 --> 00:41:41.500 don't have that luxury. No. Yes. Uh, I mean, 00:41:41.980 --> 00:41:45.980 with, with a PR company, at least like, It's 00:41:45.980 --> 00:41:49.579 not entirely alone. You know because we talked 00:41:49.579 --> 00:41:53.500 to a Lot of people like even like pretty big 00:41:53.500 --> 00:41:56.199 -name people that do like it's like them and 00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:58.599 their wife You know and they're doing all of 00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.079 it and like a good example that is John Moreland, 00:42:01.219 --> 00:42:04.099 right? But like he got to a point where It's 00:42:04.099 --> 00:42:06.300 kind of gonna be alright, you know, he's John 00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:12.400 Moreland people are aware of him But to get there 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:16.260 without having Like label money, even though 00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:19.639 label money is oftentimes smoke and mirrors and 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.679 bunch of strings and shit, right? But they do 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.719 put you in front of stuff sometimes if they care 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:29.000 about you It's hard for musicians to figure out 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.420 how to go about actually telling people that 00:42:31.420 --> 00:42:38.199 they exist You know And I'm just gonna be relentless 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:43.250 Yeah, like in marketing Basically the old the 00:42:43.250 --> 00:42:45.150 old rule which I think doesn't apply anymore 00:42:45.150 --> 00:42:47.210 is someone has to see something three to five 00:42:47.210 --> 00:42:49.869 times before they buy it I think it's more than 00:42:49.869 --> 00:42:51.590 that now because how much shit gets pushed at 00:42:51.590 --> 00:42:54.289 you, you know, but that's the other thing It's 00:42:54.289 --> 00:42:56.610 like I used to really hate social media, you 00:42:56.610 --> 00:42:59.769 know overthink it be like, you know, oh, you 00:42:59.769 --> 00:43:04.130 know This is my post for the day kind of, you 00:43:04.130 --> 00:43:06.590 know kind of like mentality now I'm like shit's 00:43:06.590 --> 00:43:09.050 just fucking news and like who cares if you post 00:43:09.050 --> 00:43:13.519 fucking 15 times a day It's like, people probably 00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.199 still won't even fucking see it. I mean, it's 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:19.940 like, it's just like a new talent now. So I'm 00:43:19.940 --> 00:43:23.039 just like, all right, let me push this out. Let 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:27.980 me push this out. Yeah, like, like, who cares? 00:43:28.099 --> 00:43:30.639 I'm just like, kind of have to let go of any 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:33.800 kind of overthinking. Sure. Oh, yeah, I always 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:37.059 tell people. And this comes up when we deal with 00:43:37.059 --> 00:43:40.119 like, Artists that are on a label, especially 00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:44.480 and have like a label style manager You know 00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.619 where I post a lot doesn't fucking matter, you 00:43:47.619 --> 00:43:50.500 know, we have 250 ,000 followers or whatever 00:43:50.500 --> 00:43:53.000 if I post something I love y 'all's Instagram. 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.139 Oh, thank you. But like literally all I'm doing 00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:58.300 is I'm Every time I open it up. I'm like, I always 00:43:58.300 --> 00:44:01.039 see something cool. It's like fucking I don't 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:03.400 even see it's y 'all yet, but it's like Lord 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:10.610 George Billy J. Shaver or some hot chicks on 00:44:10.610 --> 00:44:14.250 bikes. I'm hitting the like button before I even 00:44:14.250 --> 00:44:18.010 see us y 'all and I'm like, no. That's the thing. 00:44:18.469 --> 00:44:22.710 That's the trick that I post three, four times 00:44:22.710 --> 00:44:25.269 a fucking day, different shit in that category. 00:44:26.309 --> 00:44:28.630 And then if we deal with a musician, like I said, 00:44:28.769 --> 00:44:31.039 with like a... manager, manager and a label, 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:33.300 I'll be like, Hey, I'm gonna do this. And they'll 00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:35.599 be like, No, that's not we have these things 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.460 scheduled for these days. And it's like, Hey, 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:43.039 it doesn't fucking matter, guys. Like, we have 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:44.940 more reach than you do. And we're not doing any 00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:49.500 of that shit. So maybe, maybe just do it my way 00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:52.320 for once, you know. But I don't know, man, I 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.860 think the big thing is, I figured this out. What 00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:58.360 year is it? Okay figured out three and a half 00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:02.199 years ago Because it happened like right around 00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:05.360 my wedding so I can always know but I figured 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:09.380 out how to trick people into Following us and 00:45:09.380 --> 00:45:11.139 like liking our shit on Instagram because if 00:45:11.139 --> 00:45:13.800 you look at big companies that only post ad shoots 00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:17.159 their engagement sucks Like we post ad shoots, 00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.739 but the ad shoots are cool. You know what I mean? 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.179 And like they look really fucking good. But also 00:45:23.179 --> 00:45:25.280 it's like, hey, last night, I posted a video 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.659 of Hoyt Axton and his band. And like the dude 00:45:27.659 --> 00:45:29.519 was playing slide guitar with a fucking bottle 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.960 of Lone Star. Right? That's the shit. People 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.719 just want to see cool stuff. Right. And it applies 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.599 to musicians, too. You know, people just want 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:42.500 to

see cool shit. And then eventually they'll 00:45:42.500 --> 00:45:44.400 be like, hey, this is a lot of cool shit from 00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:47.280 the same source. Maybe I should look into that 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:49.739 source. Right. That seems to be the national 00:45:49.739 --> 00:45:51.599 progression of it, but they got a fucking see 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.000 it so many times now Yeah, you know attention 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.960 span is gone. It's it can be it could be very 00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:04.619 aggravating but As I'm sure you know, yeah Like 00:46:04.619 --> 00:46:08.039 as a musician and this fucking this fucking song 00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:13.239 that probably cost me 20 grand Hey, it's coming 00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:17.130 out, you know two fucking likes Yeah Because 00:46:17.130 --> 00:46:19.769 if you try, people don't care too. That's the 00:46:19.769 --> 00:46:21.670 other thing. Whatever you try the hardest on 00:46:21.670 --> 00:46:23.329 is going to get the worst engagement. I don't 00:46:23.329 --> 00:46:26.610 know what that rule is, but yeah, dude, it fucking 00:46:26.610 --> 00:46:30.630 happens every time. This is brilliant. Everybody's 00:46:30.630 --> 00:46:33.269 going to love this. Yeah. If you put great effort 00:46:33.269 --> 00:46:34.889 into something, no one's going to give a shit. 00:46:34.929 --> 00:46:37.289 If you post a picture of Jerry Reed smoking a 00:46:37.289 --> 00:46:39.369 fucking cigarette and playing cards, they're 00:46:39.369 --> 00:46:43.949 going to fucking love it. You know, so I stopped 00:46:43.949 --> 00:46:47.309 giving a shit like. yeah this but the spontaneous 00:46:47.309 --> 00:46:52.050 shit always seems to like the most natural spontaneous 00:46:52.050 --> 00:46:55.449 shit always seems to go the farthest or work 00:46:55.449 --> 00:46:57.789 the best i think it's subconscious to people 00:46:57.789 --> 00:47:00.010 in a lot of ways you know they can tell that 00:47:00.010 --> 00:47:03.650 it wasn't like it's genuine yeah and a lot of 00:47:03.650 --> 00:47:06.590 the other shit you see on social media is not 00:47:06.590 --> 00:47:10.449 genuine you know it's like whether it's a straight 00:47:10.449 --> 00:47:14.650 -up lie or it's like really concocted for some 00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:19.320 end game, people can subconsciously tell. I don't 00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:24.619 know. But what, as a musician, what ways do you 00:47:24.619 --> 00:47:27.480 utilize social media? What gets the best results 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.760 for you when you're trying to tell people you 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:39.280 exist? Just being straight up honest, like what 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:43.059 I was just saying, any kind of idea that I've 00:47:43.059 --> 00:47:46.639 had or like I should I should do that and just 00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.280 like do it real quick and like post that that 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:53.340 usually ends up being better than like Oh the 00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:58.179 the videographer I paid to get this Show or this 00:47:58.179 --> 00:48:00.679 studio footage and then you know put this song 00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:04.559 behind it all that that you know does it never 00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:09.300 does nearly as good as it's like the you know 00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:14.409 more like either vulnerable or like Just like 00:48:14.409 --> 00:48:18.289 straight -up authentic or you know natural Would 00:48:18.289 --> 00:48:20.869 that be like you talking or like what does that 00:48:20.869 --> 00:48:22.849 look like? I'm trying to help other musicians 00:48:22.849 --> 00:48:24.769 who are trying to figure it out to right now 00:48:24.769 --> 00:48:28.230 Yeah, I mean I think that I think that the talking 00:48:28.230 --> 00:48:31.110 I think you know the face visual talking thing 00:48:31.110 --> 00:48:34.710 can go a long way, but like I mean the the post 00:48:34.710 --> 00:48:39.429 I had Get the most engagement just like in the 00:48:39.429 --> 00:48:42.900 last couple weeks as I I was like at work and 00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:47.039 my day job and I just like went by I was like 00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.380 at the Home Depot where I called Dave and I was 00:48:49.380 --> 00:48:52.639 just like and I thought about it and I was like 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:56.500 oh shit that happened one year ago today I just 00:48:56.500 --> 00:48:58.679 literally I was like well that's that's a cool 00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.059 memory so I just like literally took a fucking 00:49:01.059 --> 00:49:04.019 picture in front of Home Depot I was like year 00:49:04.019 --> 00:49:06.480 ago today I was sitting right here fucking bummed 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.750 out and snapped and like basically got things 00:49:09.750 --> 00:49:13.789 rolling with Dave and like people love that shit. 00:49:14.289 --> 00:49:18.150 That's awesome. Yeah. And then, I mean, I'm like 00:49:18.150 --> 00:49:20.389 in a like fucking work shirt, like covered in 00:49:20.389 --> 00:49:22.829 dust, like fucking hairs pulled back. Like it's 00:49:22.829 --> 00:49:28.530 just like literally this awful picture. Well, 00:49:28.690 --> 00:49:31.190 what a great story. People can also relate to 00:49:31.190 --> 00:49:32.969 that. Like a lot of people that listen to that 00:49:32.969 --> 00:49:36.230 genre of music. Right. Probably are also at Home 00:49:36.230 --> 00:49:41.840 Depot covered in dust. yeah you know it's uh 00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.480 because like at this point there's i think there's 00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.280 two different types of music you know there's 00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.460 like mass market music and there's music that 00:49:49.460 --> 00:49:53.179 people like intensely connect with and unless 00:49:53.179 --> 00:49:56.380 you have the money to be like shoved in every 00:49:56.380 --> 00:49:59.940 tiktok you have to be the fucking other one right 00:49:59.940 --> 00:50:04.340 yeah you know um and a big aspect of that is

00:50:04.340 --> 00:50:07.829 playing live i think too Yeah, what does that 00:50:07.829 --> 00:50:09.969 look like for you? Like what kind of vibe are 00:50:09.969 --> 00:50:15.909 your live shows? I mean it's been pretty pretty 00:50:15.909 --> 00:50:18.590 energetic. I would say like pretty pretty rock 00:50:18.590 --> 00:50:23.409 and roll energetic I've I leaned into some Well, 00:50:23.409 --> 00:50:26.170 I leaned into like just you know all about the 00:50:26.170 --> 00:50:28.230 song with this record anyway, so like I have 00:50:28.230 --> 00:50:33.000 a couple Couple more like singer -songwriter 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.380 like straight -up country soft like there's a 00:50:35.380 --> 00:50:37.679 duet on the album. I've never done that before 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:45.320 in my life, but like So now but you know, I Like 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:49.380 to think it's it's about the you know listening 00:50:49.380 --> 00:50:53.760 experience and You know and all about the song 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.719 but I mean, it's a it's a rowdy fucking time 00:50:56.719 --> 00:51:03.590 overall I like to break it down and stuff. You 00:51:03.590 --> 00:51:06.030 gotta bring it down to bring it back up. But 00:51:06.030 --> 00:51:09.630 I mean, it's a pretty high energy rock show, 00:51:09.869 --> 00:51:12.829 I'd say. I think watching the way people structure 00:51:12.829 --> 00:51:15.550 their sets is always interesting. Because if 00:51:15.550 --> 00:51:17.369 you see enough shows, you can start tracking 00:51:17.369 --> 00:51:20.650 what's going on. And obviously, if you've seen 00:51:20.650 --> 00:51:24.380 Dead in Company, you know that in the... Like, 00:51:24.579 --> 00:51:29.900 I saw him out in Vegas with my dad and like they 00:51:29.900 --> 00:51:34.159 did Darkstar into fucking Drums in Space and 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:36.039 I was like, hey man, this is gonna be a shit 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:42.380 50 minutes for you. Just heads up. Hey, this 00:51:42.380 --> 00:51:45.539 next hour you're not gonna dig. Cause I know 00:51:45.539 --> 00:51:47.820 it's coming. Drums in Space is gonna hurt. But 00:51:47.820 --> 00:51:50.320 you gotta let them do it. Cause that's the order 00:51:50.320 --> 00:52:21.909 of the fucking thing, man. the the the see dead 00:52:21.909 --> 00:52:24.710 and co at the sphere. And then I saw fucking 00:52:24.710 --> 00:52:28.070 Johnny blues guys just playing on the Sunday 00:52:28.070 --> 00:52:32.210 after the dead's last show there was on the Saturday 00:52:32.210 --> 00:52:34.670 and Sturgill was there on the Sunday. I was like, 00:52:34.909 --> 00:52:41.230 we're going for two days. Oh, dude, it's a, this 00:52:41.230 --> 00:52:42.969 is a funny thing that I've been thinking about 00:52:42.969 --> 00:52:46.110 for about two days now. I posted a reel of Sturgill 00:52:46.110 --> 00:52:50.079 from like 11 years ago, right? Um, And someone 00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.139 commented about how they don't like his live 00:52:52.139 --> 00:52:55.599 shows now because he acts like Elvis and shreds 00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.039 like Dicky Betts. And I was like, hey, that seems 00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:00.960 like the best possible for anyone could do. It 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.519 seems like you just described the best possible 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:09.119 entertainer in the world. I want that. Yeah, 00:53:10.460 --> 00:53:13.769 I thought you'd appreciate that. fucking want 00:53:13.769 --> 00:53:17.510 the best shit that could possibly be made. But 00:53:17.510 --> 00:53:19.690 man, man, I still I haven't seen Sturgill yet. 00:53:20.550 --> 00:53:23.650 I was going to at one point, but I ended up being 00:53:23.650 --> 00:53:25.909 in LA when the show was in Nashville. So that 00:53:25.909 --> 00:53:29.570 didn't fucking work. Yeah, it's hard. But I fucking 00:53:29.570 --> 00:53:33.949 want to. You know, back in like the meta modern 00:53:33.949 --> 00:53:38.030 days, like 10 years ago, but I saw I think in 00:53:38.030 --> 00:53:41.590 2020 or 20. Yeah, I guess it was. It was 2020. 00:53:41.769 --> 00:53:45.750 He was on like the Willys road tour with the 00:53:45.750 --> 00:53:49.329 Bluegrass band he just put out. That was sick. 00:53:49.389 --> 00:53:52.070 So I saw the Bluegrass band, I guess was technically 00:53:52.070 --> 00:53:56.730 the first time I saw them live. And then out 00:53:56.730 --> 00:54:01.730 in Vegas was the new old band. It's all the guys 00:54:01.730 --> 00:54:05.550 from that metamodern record era. I mean, they 00:54:05.550 --> 00:54:07.550 seem to be doing a bunch of really cool shit 00:54:07.550 --> 00:54:11.440 right now. You know and like I actually I have 00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:13.659 seen him. I saw him at farm aid. He played with 00:54:13.659 --> 00:54:15.860 Bob Weir and the Wolf Bros as a surprise. That 00:54:15.860 --> 00:54:20.619 was fucking dope Yeah, I love how he's tacked 00:54:20.619 --> 00:54:24.699 into the Dude, it's awesome. Like when they were 00:54:24.699 --> 00:54:29.039 in San Francisco this summer and He came out 00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.559 and did morning do with them. It's like that 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:35.420 was that's fucking incredible That was the shit. 00:54:35.420 --> 00:54:39.480 Yeah, man. I don't know. It's a It's a good it's 00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:41.559 a good crossover, but it's also one that makes 00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:44.159 a lot of sense I think if you're into like both 00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:47.619 of the bands, you know, cuz a lot of people disregard 00:54:47.619 --> 00:54:50.300 the dead as a hippie band and it's like no it's 00:54:50.300 --> 00:54:53.739 an Originally an outlaw biker fucking band, but 00:54:53.739 --> 00:54:57.260 it's all like it's the it's not that really and 00:54:57.260 --> 00:55:01.780 it's also like all the genres you like They're 00:55:01.780 --> 00:55:05.420 playing at once. Yeah, you know, but you're writing 00:55:05.420 --> 00:55:10.159 it off

because of the fans doing acid right really 00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:15.079 um but anyway so now that you got this record 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:20.739 coming out which is january 23rd yeah january 00:55:20.739 --> 00:55:24.639 23rd i'm announcing the record oh okay oh so 00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:28.159 it's not coming out on january 23rd yeah um i 00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.079 knew that we had to put it out after january 00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:32.440 23rd i thought that was a number that was important 00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:37.559 okay January 23rd, I'll be releasing the title 00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:39.659 track and announcing that the records coming 00:55:39.659 --> 00:55:43.300 record droughts March 27th Okay, so it comes 00:55:43.300 --> 00:55:48.059 out March 27th Not January 23rd when you're listening 00:55:48.059 --> 00:55:53.619 to this, right? So What do you have support dates 00:55:53.619 --> 00:55:56.159 for that record coming up as well? Yeah, are 00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:59.019 you touring a lot for it? I will be I'm working 00:55:59.019 --> 00:56:03.210 on those right now actually So there will be 00:56:03.210 --> 00:56:05.510 support dates and by the time this podcast comes 00:56:05.510 --> 00:56:08.329 out, you can probably go to your website I imagine 00:56:08.329 --> 00:56:13.050 and find those dates Yeah, that makes sense I 00:56:13.050 --> 00:56:17.510 Don't know So you'll be supporting the record 00:56:17.510 --> 00:56:20.710 record will come out What are the cool shit you 00:56:20.710 --> 00:56:28.010 got coming up? Trying to think and in the near 00:56:28.010 --> 00:56:31.929 future as of when this will drop Either one, 00:56:31.949 --> 00:56:38.389 it doesn't matter. What's cool? Well, end of 00:56:38.389 --> 00:56:43.030 January. End of January, I'm doing a week in 00:56:43.030 --> 00:56:49.809 South Florida with the boys, which will be right 00:56:49.809 --> 00:56:53.530 after I announce the record and drop the title 00:56:53.530 --> 00:56:57.730 track. So that'll be cool. We're hitting Bonita 00:56:57.730 --> 00:57:28.980 Springs, Boca, Stewart, Key West. the the I have 00:57:28.980 --> 00:57:32.960 no clue what the fuck goes on. If I move again, 00:57:33.260 --> 00:57:35.139 it's definitely going to be farther south and 00:57:35.139 --> 00:57:37.340 it'll probably be the Key West and I'll live 00:57:37.340 --> 00:57:40.820 out my, to quote Johnny Blue Sky as my Scooter 00:57:40.820 --> 00:57:45.840 Blues. Scooter Blues era, where I'm just say 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.119 fuck it all and just live on an island. Have 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:51.840 you ever seen the movie Night Moves with Gene 00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:56.139 Hackman? No. Why have I not seen that? It was 00:57:56.139 --> 00:57:58.260 like, it was... They get the times Arthur Penn 00:57:58.260 --> 00:58:02.880 made it. But he's like an L .A. detective who 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:06.199 ends up in Key West. And it's just like some 00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.000 weird

Key West shit. It's a good movie. I'd recommend 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:13.159 it around tonight. It's a fucking gene hack, 00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:16.599 but it's not going to suck. Right. OK, so you 00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:18.400 got those dates. You have other dates coming 00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.940 up that will be announced by the time this comes 00:58:20.940 --> 00:58:24.739 out. Anything else you want people to know about? 00:58:27.940 --> 00:58:31.900 Tell your friends about Highway Junkie. Give 00:58:31.900 --> 00:58:38.579 me a spin. Come see a live show. Listen to the 00:58:38.579 --> 00:58:41.900 record all the way through. It's definitely a 00:58:41.900 --> 00:58:45.599 story. I like that. Would you call it a concept 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:48.800 album? I wouldn't say it's a concept album, but 00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:52.260 it just naturally became that way. It was all 00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:57.570 the songwriting and basically my life. post sobriety 00:58:57.570 --> 00:59:04.250 and moving to Florida and just, you know, love, 00:59:04.510 --> 00:59:08.650 you know, I found love and my girlfriend when 00:59:08.650 --> 00:59:12.530 we met, you know, she was a single mother and 00:59:12.530 --> 00:59:16.010 had a six month old. So like I became like a 00:59:16.010 --> 00:59:21.349 father figure. Wow. Congrats. Between, you know, 00:59:22.070 --> 00:59:25.969 like, you know, dad and, you know, really working 00:59:25.969 --> 00:59:32.090 my ass off all the time and you know sobriety 00:59:32.090 --> 00:59:35.650 and stuff like all this all this songwriting 00:59:35.650 --> 00:59:39.190 was like it was it was new it was new for me 00:59:39.190 --> 00:59:45.429 to write about you know meaningful and you know 00:59:45.429 --> 00:59:47.389 deeper things i mean i was always just like writing 00:59:47.389 --> 00:59:51.550 about fucking chicks and blow you know not really 00:59:51.550 --> 00:59:54.570 and not thinking about it you know and it was 00:59:54.570 --> 01:00:00.090 like you know that's that's fun but like um you 01:00:00.090 --> 01:00:04.329 know i always you know felt like i had more to 01:00:04.329 --> 01:00:08.489 say and it took took some clearing up to to get 01:00:08.489 --> 01:00:12.610 to that point so not a total concept album but 01:00:12.610 --> 01:00:16.230 it kind of morphed into that i mean records i'm 01:00:16.230 --> 01:00:20.510 a highway junkie baby records repeat people's 01:00:20.510 --> 01:00:23.989 uh Like the songwriter's existence, you know, 01:00:24.230 --> 01:00:27.789 like Everyone we talked to and when I asked them 01:00:27.789 --> 01:00:30.329 about that they give like the same answer like 01:00:30.329 --> 01:00:33.230 it's not a concept album But but it tells but 01:00:33.230 --> 01:00:36.190 it does tell a story of who I was right? It's 01:00:36.190 --> 01:00:39.429 like that's what records are man. There was or 01:00:39.429 --> 01:00:43.550 am or you know Yeah, I mean this this record 01:00:43.550 --> 01:00:48.570 is a hundred percent fucking me that's and I'm 01:00:48.570 --> 01:00:53.400 to put it out Just had it like through that last 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:56.519 question. I had a nuts deja vu moment and I'm 01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:57.820 shocked because I was freaking I was like, I 01:00:57.820 --> 01:01:03.239 think I dreamed this exact fucking thing So, 01:01:03.300 --> 01:01:05.800 I don't know what that was about but thank you 01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:08.480 for coming on talking to us We appreciate your 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:11.800 time, man. Thank you guys for having me and hope 01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:14.940 to connect with you. I'm y 'all's way Yeah, come 01:01:14.940 --> 01:01:16.659 play the Southgate house. It's a great venue. 01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:19.440 Oh Yeah, hang on one second