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Hey everybody, Scott Terry here and you are listening to
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Our Life Up Here, the Scott Terry Show. This is
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a podcast about homesteading, horticulture, permaculture, entrepreneurship, all that kind
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of stuff. Yeah, so today I want to talk a
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little bit about just kind of our general homesteading philosophy
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here and some of the tensions that arise between the
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business end of things and the homesteading end of things. Um,
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and yeah, a little bit of a story about the
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evolution of this homestead, different things that were changing along
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the way and always trying to go back to our, uh,
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general philosophy and not let that get lost in the mix.
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So I guess I want to start with kind of
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our basic homestead philosophy that we try to stay true
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to and have to revisit it every once in a
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while and make sure that all the different pieces of
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the puzzle are working together and not working against what
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our main priority was when we started the whole thing.
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And I was reminded, I came across this probably 10
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years ago, and I had made a note and written
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it down, and I was going through some stuff or
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something that I was writing, and I came across this again,
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and I was like, yeah, I remember when I saw it,
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I was like, this is exactly my philosophy, and it
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was interesting because it was written in 1914. This is
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from a book called Happy Hollow Farm. So keep in
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mind that this was written in 1914. But I think
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this quote really kind of summarizes the way we feel
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about homesteading, and I think it makes a lot of sense.
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A plan was made for the farm. We have stuck
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to that plan. The essence of it is this. First
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of all, the farm must furnish for our own table.
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Not in a roundabout way, mind you, but directly. 90%
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of the farmers in our neighborhood were supplying their tables
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from the store, buying canned stuff, buying flour and meal
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and potatoes and salt
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meat, buying practically everything they ate.
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The only way they had of paying their store bills
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was by selling their corn and wheat, which they did
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for a considerable loss. Only a few of the farmers
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knew how to put up sugar-cured ham or bacon. Gardening
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seemed to be a lost art. We intended to change that.
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No matter how much of our land it would take,
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we meant to make the farm furnish our table directly
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with milk, cream, butter, the best of meat, poultry, eggs, fruits,
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and garden stuff. Our land must do that for us
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in the end, so we argued why not let it
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be done directly. In quality and cost, we could do
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better for ourselves in that way than if we got
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our food second-handed. The largest item in the cost of
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living must be taken care of first, and in a
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way that ensured the greatest possible economy. So in a way,
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what we're trying to do is harken back to, in
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the best way that you can in 2026, back to
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the independent yeoman farmer, who truly was independent because he
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produced all of the basic necessities of life firsthand. And
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to do that today, there obviously are different different challenges
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and things that they obviously didn't have, our ancestors didn't
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have in the 16 and 1700s, but the general philosophy
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that if you want to live that kind of life,
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to produce all of these things firsthand, to actually experience
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what it feels like to be a human, because if
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you think about it, you know, this is a rare
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time right now where so many people don't even know
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the basic things that were required to be a living
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human on this planet. Producing your own food, butchering your
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own meat, all of those things are just foreign to
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like 95% of the population today. But anyway, we, to
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tie that tie this into our place here and some
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of the stuff that we're doing and not doing. When
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this farm came up for sale and we realized the
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potential of it, one of the reasons it had potential
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was because it had a built-in money crop already there. So...
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In 2026... it is important that there's some some type
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of income producing mechanism on a homestead because there are
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property taxes there are school taxes there are insurance payments
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and there's a mortgage payment so This place was unique
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in that all the infrastructure was set up with all
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these greenhouses and stuff that we could move right into production,
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and it actually pays for itself. So that takes the
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stress away in that regard. It pays the taxes. It
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pays the mortgage payment. And so that's taken care of.
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So we had to spend a lot of time in
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the beginning working on that aspect of it. Whereas if
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you read that excerpt there and think about it, you'd
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be like, well, I do all the other stuff first
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and then worry about it. And if you got a
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lot of outside income, that possibly might be a better
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way to go. But the circumstances here was like, well,
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we got to be able to pay for it, make
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it work. Let's get the business end of it straightened out.
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And it took a while. That's why I've had kind
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of a little five-year break from doing podcasts and all
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the other stuff that I used to do. Because we
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had to learn an entire new science and learn an
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entire new type of husbandry. Not that we didn't know
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anything about plants or horticulture, but we certainly didn't know
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anything about commercial scale horticulture at all and so we've
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been we had to learn a lot and learn a
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lot in a hurry and we're finally at the point
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where that end of it's running pretty smoothly and we
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consider ourselves to be horticulturists so implementing and developing the
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homestead side of things we had to start that actually
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slower than usual even though we've done it our whole
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lives but So we started with I think the first
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year we started with the maple sugar
operation. Got that
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working so we could make all of our own maple sugar.
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We moved the laying hens in shortly after that. No,
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first it was hogs. Started raising hogs in the woods
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for meat. Then we added the laying hens. Then we've
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added dairy animals now, the dairy goats, and we're still
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not to the point where we're happy as far as
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being self-sufficient in meat. So we're looking at the operation
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and thinking, all right, well, what if we go back
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to this original vision for how we want things to go,
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what And one of the things is that we realized,
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and we realized this a couple years back, was we
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got all this land, and a whole bunch of it
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is tied up in the nursery tree production. And we've
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slowly began to change the way that that operates. So...
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the guy that had it before us, kind of, it
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was nursery trees to dig and burlap, but it was
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also come and cut your own Christmas tree, wander around
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through the woods and pick your tree out and So
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it was kind of haphazard where everything was planted and
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harvested and everything else. I might have mentioned on an
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earlier episode, I don't know if I did or not,
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but we've changed how that works. And we're growing nursery
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stuff that we plan to dig and burlap and sell
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in rows in places where they're easier to manage, they're
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taking up less space. And we're really cutting back on
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the number of that stuff that we do on a
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per acre basis of what you get out of it.
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If you tie up all of your potential pasture land
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to grow slow-growing trees to dig and sell and then
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take the money from that and have to buy the
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extra meat that you can't produce because you're growing trees
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to sell... That didn't really make a lot of sense
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to us when that land could just as easily produce
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it and produce it right here at a better, higher quality.
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And that was our goal in the
beginning. So a
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couple of years ago, we started phasing out the big
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piece of land on the other side of the road.
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We quit planting in there and we doubled up on
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the harvesting in there. So. We've been taking more and
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more trees out, taking more and more digging orders, and
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then we're to the point now where we're like, yeah,
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we're going to lose a little bit of some of
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the smaller trees that are in there. We'll probably go
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through one more time in the spring and dig some
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nicer looking stuff that I think has potential and move
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it to the other side of the road, or just
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burlap it and stick it out for sale. But Next
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year we've made the decision that by spring we're going
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to be pasturing the big piece across the road. And
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so that's been kind of fun now that we finally
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got to the point where we can do it. Going
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out and planning this out because we're going to... We
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kind of got a blank slate, not really, because of
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all the way the trees are growing in there. But we're...
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going to be developing a silvopasture system for multi-species over
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there so that the laying hens in the summer are
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going to be over there in a mobile coop and
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they'll just have their winter housing on this side of
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the road. And then the other thing is the primary
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ruminants that are going to be over there in the
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beginning are sheep, We're going to start the first year
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with buying feeder lambs and finishing them out there on
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the pasture. And then there's potential to make more land
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that's kind of, woods doesn't have a lot of high
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quality trees in it anyway. And so I'm going to
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be doing some more clearing work. So we're going to
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be using the hogs, which we've been using hogs in
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the woods for clearing purposes already. But we're going to
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be using hogs, laying hens, and lambs over there. And
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then probably next year we're going
to revamp up the
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meat bird production. Which we've been on and off the
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last seven years or so. doing them every other year
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or so. And then we got here and I can't
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remember if we've done a batch since we've moved here
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or not, but that's definitely going to be part of
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the program too. And I mean, we're starting with some
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soil that needs a lot of work. Um, it's going
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to be, it's going to be fun to go in
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there and use all these different species of animals and
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start bringing this pasture back to life, changing things. Um,
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super excited about being able to go in there with
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different livestock food producing trees and get those incorporated into
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that and since we have a greenhouse and nursery business
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that makes it even even a lot easier than it
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would have ever been before because I can propagate and
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start all kinds of stuff here for a fraction of
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the prices it would cost most people to buy it all,
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to buy it all in and do it. So, yeah,
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there's tons of options and opportunities, and I've always wanted to,
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I've always wanted to have Siberian pea shrubs and let
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chickens harvest the 36% protein pods on those things. And
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years ago, I tried starting some from seed, and it
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didn't work out, but now that I'm five years into
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being a commercial horticulturist, I'm pretty sure I'm not going
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to have that problem anymore, so that's on my list
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of things that'll be going on this spring while I'm
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growing all the plants for the neighborhood. We're going to
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be cold stratifying some pea shrub seed, and doing that,
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and But it all comes back to you got to
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keep going back to your core values and your core
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plan for your homestead. And we just were like, you know,
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we're not super passionate about, like we're going to phase
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out the cut your own Christmas tree thing. Will that
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cost us some income? It'll cost us some cash flow.
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I don't know how much income it's going to affect us.
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Because I still have a hard time believing that waiting
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eight years to cut a $ 36 to $ 40 tree... I
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just think I can produce a lot more really good
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food for our family that we don't have to buy.
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By converting that land and doing it that way rather
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than selling a tree. Taking the Federal Reserve notes... everybody's getting,
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paying sales tax on that, and then you're paying income
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tax on the income, and then you take what's left
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over and go buy the food from somebody else, it does,
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just doesn't make, make a lot of sense, so, you know,
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that's one of the, one of the changes we're making,
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it's been slow over the last couple years, phasing it out,
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making decisions along the way to make this easier and
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make it become reality, and now, now we're ready to
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ready to do that next year. And so we're building
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more infrastructure over here as well. Last night, well, we
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started yesterday building a new goat barn. And that's been
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a lot of fun because we just decided on a
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whim we're gonna, well, we had to build, we had
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to build an addition It was going to have a
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milking stand and be a milking area for this winter.
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And then when we got started on the plan, we
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were like, well, why don't we just build a bigger,
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nicer goat barn and then turn the old goat barn
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into the milking room? Because it really wasn't big enough,
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and we're going to build, why don't we build that instead,
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and then retrofit that for the milking room, and there'll
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be room in there for feed storage and other stuff. So,
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we just said, okay. Ran down to the lumber yard.
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They brought home a whole load of lumber yesterday, the
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kids did, and they just went at it. Next thing
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I know, there's a floor, the framing for the walls
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is up, it's coming along good. There'll be a couple...
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couple days and I think
it'll be it'll be finished
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and we'll have have goats running in there but but
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getting back to this general homestead philosophy thing I I
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think that there is such a tension between the business
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end of it and the homesteading end of it and
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I think you need to draw I find I do
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anyway but After doing this kind of stuff for half
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a century, I have learned a few things, although I'm
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a slow learner. Keeping those things separate, there's always the...
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First of all, there's a reason. need for a money
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crop you can go into the other ditch too there's
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a real need for the money crop and the business
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aspect of it is super important but not everything has
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to be a business so selling plants here makes us
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pretty good money it keeps us afloat financially That's great.
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So you go and you start, okay, well, we're going
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to have chickens. Well, why don't we sell eggs? Why
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don't we sell? Once you start turning it into a business,
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a lot of things change. So kind of my philosophy
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is diversify, but not in a business sense. You don't
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have to sell everything that you produce. We've got honeybees.
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I have no intention of selling honey. We just want
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to raise it for ourselves. Maple sugar. I always swore
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we'd never sell any. We do sell some now, but
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it's only because there's such a bounty here and we're
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going to do it anyway. I still don't treat... It's
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such a minuscule amount of money that it produces, but
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the extra sits there by the cash register, and if
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people want to buy it, that's great, and that just
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helps offset the cost of producing it for ourselves. But
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I don't want to be a commercial maple syrup person.
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As far as selling meat, at some point, might we
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sell a few extra hogs or something? It's quite possible
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that that'll happen someday. But that's not why I'm doing it.
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If we keep the plant and the nursery thing its
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own thing, and then food production is so that we
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don't have to buy food, and that we can actually...
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live a life close to creation, close to nature, where
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we can hunt and trap and raise our own meat
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and butcher our own meat and grind our own meat
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and grow our own vegetables and can our own vegetables
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and dry our own vegetables and all of that stuff
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that that's what we want to do. We want to
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live that lifestyle. So I don't want to turn every
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little thing into a business because that's... counterproductive it always
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ends up ruining things so you can do a lot
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of really cool stuff on the homestead scale that makes
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economic sense that once you try to scale it up
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doesn't make economic sense anymore and you know in here
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you see people that were selling corn and wheat in
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that little quote from that happy hollow farm book and
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then having to turn around and buy all their food. Well,
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some other ways that you can look at that too
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is I've known people that started out homesteading, raising like
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meat chickens, for example, and then decided they're going to
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start selling them. And then you talk to them a
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couple years in and they're like, yeah, we can't afford
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to eat our own birds because we have to sell them. So,
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Here they're producing this great product and not even eating
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it because it's worth more to them to sell it.
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Then you've kind of lost the original reason that you
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started raising the meat chickens to begin with. And if
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you do the math on selling meat chickens, unless you're
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going to be selling 10,000 of them, I have a
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hard time believing that it's ever going to affect your...
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annual income that much, um, yeah, just, just thoughts, I'm
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just kind of flying by the seat of my pants
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in this episode, I saw this quote, and, uh, I remembered,
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brought back a lot of memories, brought back reasons why
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we're doing
things, and I just thought that I would
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just kind of discuss it a little bit, because maybe
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somebody is struggling in this area and needs to just
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stop and think about it a little bit. But this
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is such a great way of life, and we really
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have to never take it for granted, be thankful that
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we're blessed that we can do this kind of work
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and live this way, and we Gotta always guard against
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losing sight of what our goals and values are and
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why we ended up starting the whole homesteading journey to
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begin with. Right? Don't want to lose sight of that.
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Because it's just... I don't know, we were talking the
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other day while we were grinding venison and kids are
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all working away at it and I'm like, you know,
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I don't think you realize... What a great thing this is.
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The connection that you have with your food, from it
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living out in the forest there, shooting it, bringing it
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off of our own land, processing it, cutting it up.
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You know, the average modern person They look at food
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completely differently because they haven't had to do all of
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the work. They look at a piece of ground meat
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and it's made out of 15 different animals. It's nothing
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to them except something to eat. Take it out of
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the refrigerator and fry it up and have a hamburger.
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We look at a piece of ground, you know, we
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look at a plop of ground meat We look at
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that and we see all the time it took to
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raise an animal. Or all of the work that went
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into butchering it. And all the work of cutting up
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all those pieces and getting the right blends of fat
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in there. And all of that work, when you sit
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there and eat that piece of meat, it's a whole
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different experience. And again, just the connection to reality that
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Modern people don't have the... Fact that when you eat
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a piece of meat... You participated in everything... From nurturing it...
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When
it was a baby... Raising it... And then taking
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its life. And... Modern people don't... Have any understanding of
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what it's like to take something's life... And the responsibility... Yeah,
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I don't know. I guess I'm just kind of babbling
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on about stuff in general now. But I don't want
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anybody to ever lose sight of why we started it.
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It's a great life. And always stop and take a
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minute every so often and look and say, are we
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headed in the right direction or are we going to
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end up ruining it all? Because we have to make
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conscious decisions to protect the lifestyle that we want to live.
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Because it's so easy to start down a wrong path
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and then next thing you know it's all gone. And
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it's just such a great way to raise children. I
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think that that is also one of the most important
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things about living this lifestyle is just so we can
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raise our children in it and see the satisfaction that
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they have in accomplishing things and being part of the
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family economy and being valuable, useful parts of this family economy. Um,
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I was just talking about that goat barn they're building.
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You know, I just was standing there thinking to myself,
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I don't know, maybe I'm just getting really old and
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sentimental now. But watching, watching them do that, and I thought,
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you know, most people, if they wanted a building, the
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first thing they'd do is go to the Yellow Pages
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and look up a contractor and get a quote and
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pay somebody to come out and build a building for them.
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What did these kids do? They needed a barn. They
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spent a little bit of time thinking. They've got all
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the tools at their disposal. They've learned how to solve problems.
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They've learned how to come up with plans and ideas
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and just execute on them. I mean, I walked out there.
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There was nothing there in the morning. I was working
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on some other stuff. I go back out there a
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little while later, and there's a skeleton of a barn
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up there. I mean, it's, and they're going to, the
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satisfaction that they'll have every time they use that building
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for the rest of their lives here, is, well, I
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remember making that. And all the little side stories that
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were funny, little pop-up about so-and-so whacking his thumb or
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doing all the conversation and laughter that went. on with
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the project. It'll all be there in those boards and
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in that. Yeah. It'll be memories that nobody can ever
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take away from them and they'll be able to sit
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there and look at that building going forward and have
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all those memories and a sense of satisfaction that they
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built it themselves. And that's worth that's worth more than
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any amount of money that you could come up with.
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All right. So I got to actually get out of
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here and go start doing some homesteading myself. So we will, uh,
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catch you guys next week. Remember the website is ourlifeuphere.com.
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