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Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Open Tabs.
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I am your host, Keely.
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Yeah, it's it's been a while, y'all, like since July.
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All I can say is August is a crazy time for my university because that's when school starts.
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Also, gotta be honest, just been kind of depressed, kind of been tired, so I just haven't felt like recording any episodes, but that's okay, because sometimes that happens, but I'm back now.
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So a few weeks ago, we started Heroes all over from the beginning.
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Now it's only four seasons, so it's not that long.
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But I hadn't watched Heroes in so long.
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Okay, so long.
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It was one of those shows that we actually watched as a family.
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We were living in Iowa at the time, and it was my stepdad Brian's like favorite show.
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He loved it.
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So we would watch it together when it first came on.
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This was back before streaming, y'all.
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So it was just a nice moment, and I just hadn't watched it since that time, so I barely remembered pieces of it.
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Like some parts of it were like, whoa, what happened?
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So today we're gonna discuss my feelings about heroes now, like over a decade later.
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Because it's been a fucking minute.
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It's kind of like when you rewatch Game of Thrones, and you're like, okay, yeah, that season eight was actually trash.
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So Heroes.
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I really enjoyed Heroes, and it was one of like the first sort of superhero shows.
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I don't think it was the first one, but like it was the one one of the ones that I feel like they got it and they understood, and it felt a little more real.
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Right?
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Now, we all know, hopefully, y'all know, that there is a writer's strike in the middle of season two.
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Like season two was releasing episodes on the every week.
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I can't remember which it what what channel it was on, but it was releasing episodes, and the writer's strike happened.
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So they cut season two into 11 episodes, okay?
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You can really see like how it devolved because they didn't get those writers back, they just had other people F, I believe.
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So you can really see where that writing devolved, and just wow.
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So we're gonna talk about my my people, my favorite characters.
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First of all, I love Peter Fitrelli.
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Peter Fitrelli is my favorite character ever.
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I love him so much.
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Doesn't help that he's cute.
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Don't don't judge me, I gotta type.
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It's dark hair and cute when it comes to gentlemen.
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He's just a good guy, okay?
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He is.
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He just wants to help people and save the world.
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Yeah, at times it it he is probably a little too obsessed with that and a little fanatic, but he's just a genuine good guy.
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And I love that about him.
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He's just a genuine good guy.
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And then he got the rest of his family, okay?
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Nathan is a fucking asshole.
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I cannot stand Nathan.
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I cannot stand him, okay?
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You are a freaking evolved human yourself, and you are trying to you're you're hunting down others who are like you.
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What the actual hell.
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I cannot stand Nathan.
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There is nothing good about Nathan.
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Every time he tries to fix something, he's actually making it worse in the long run.
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Completely.
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So fuck you, Nathan.
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And their mother, Angela Petrelli, does a lot of shady shit, and you kind of understand why she does the shady shit, but at the same time, you're looking at her and you're like, Angela, can you just not?
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Can you just not?
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Then their father is a freaking asshole too, who steals Peter's powers, and then he's gotta get like synthetic powers.
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That was weird.
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Did not like that, what the hell?
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Nah, guys, nah.
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But I mean, when you think about it, Peter was pretty OP'd.
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Just saying.
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Like if Peter and Skylar are really OP.
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Alright, so Peter's power is like empathic mimicry.
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So like he can copy the powers, but he's gotta learn how to do it, right?
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So he's gotta learn how to do that.
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He can't just, whoo, suddenly I'm a genius, right?
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Now Skyler has like an aptitude.
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He can like figure out how something works.
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So he figures out how powers work, which by the way, does not necessarily mean he's gotta do his little cut the brain, cut the cut the scalp open and see inside the brain, he can probably do it like without being a horrific monster, to say.
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But he immediately knows how to use the powers.
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So he's kind of like a leg up from from Peter that way.
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Either way, both of them are OP.
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There's a reason why Peter was the only one who would really go toe-to-toe with Skylar.
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I forgot how bloody terrifying Zachary Quinto of Skylar was.
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Syler, not Skylar, sorry guys.
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Siler is freaking terrifying.
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You know what I also forgot?
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How he was created?
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Because the freaking company created him.
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More or less, they wanted to know what he could do with his inept aptitude, right?
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So they pushed him through.
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Noah pushed him, Noah been it, we'll get to him.
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They pushed him, and they pushed him.
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Even the electricity girl played by Kirsten Bell was like, This feels wrong.
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Even though she was like a little psychopath herself.
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So they created Siler.
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This all happened because they wanted to know what he could do.
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They created him.
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What the hell?
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Like, come on, guys, you created your problem.
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Which honestly, the company always creates their problem.
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Just saying.
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Now, Noah Bennett.
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I forgot how good of a job they do with making him feel so shady.
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Because he is shady.
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He is so shady.
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The whole time you're watching the series, even me, I haven't watched the series in like 10 years.
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And even though I didn't remember everything, I did realize he was actually trying to help his daughter.
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But still, the whole time you're wondering what he is doing, the whole time.
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And you're like, okay, what's going on?
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And you're like, I don't trust you, the whole time.
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It's it's kind of hilarious.
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I think he really does care and really does love his family and wants to protect Claire.
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Now, Claire, I love Claire.
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Most of the time I don't like teenagers in shows.
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Which legit.
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Because why?
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But I love Claire.
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You know what I mean?
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She's she's just good too.
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She's a lot like her uncle Peter.
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And I really wish we'd have seen more of her and Peter being close, because even before they realized they were a family, he he saved her and he she wanted to know that he was okay.
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And I think we missed out on seeing their relationship together.
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I don't really care that she didn't get to know Nathan, because fuck Nathan.
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Don't like it.
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Whatever.
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He was a terrible father.
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Not that Noah was the best father, but at least Noah actually really did care and really did want to protect her.
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But I love Claire because she's just she's just so done with everything.
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You know what I mean?
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Like she's just like uh seriously was I I was done.
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The highlight, this is a highlight character, is Claire's adoptive mom.
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Um Fudge.
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I can't remember her name.
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I think it's Sandra.
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I think it's Sandra.
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I might be wrong.
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But Claire's adoptive mom is fucking badass, okay?
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So there's an episode and Claire gets shot, and her adoptive mom, Sandra, I think, is like thinking she lost her fucking daughter, okay?
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She is not okay.
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And then there's this dude who's about to go nuclear.
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Obviously, we know that Claire's totally gonna be Gucci because she survives, right?
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So Claire survives, and Claire's there, and the adoptive mom, Sandra's there, and the brother and the dad, and they're like, Leave.
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They drag the brother away, and the and the all of that.
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Sandra's like, I'm not leaving my daughter.
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This woman just found out that her daughter and who she thought okay, first of all, she just saw her daughter get shot and die.
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Then suddenly her daughter is not dead.
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There's a crazy dude who's about to go literally nuclear, and this woman sees her her daughter come back and is alive.
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I mean bloody, but like alive, and she's like, I am not leaving my daughter.
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Uh-huh.
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Uh-uh.
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I freaking love Sandra because she is a badass.
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I hate that she like disappeared towards the last season or so because that that felt that felt wrong.
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But she is a badass without knowing how any how to use a weapon, without having power, she's a badass because she loves her kids.
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And she she's badass.
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She sees Claire that ha that Claire is trying to help this one kid get safe because they're hunting supers, right?
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Yes, Sandra is mad, rightfully so.
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You you brought some random teenage boy into our house.
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But also she understands and she finds a way to save him and get him to safety because she is a badass.
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I really wish we would have seen more of the badass rate that is Sandra, because I love her.
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I love her so much.
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She she never hesitates, but you can see kind of towards like season two, season three, season four, where the writing just got weird, okay.
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You were wondering what the hell was going on.
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They ruined one of my favorite characters, Mohinder, okay?
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He was the scientist who was trying to understand, and he wanted to help those who who were afraid of their powers, but not like control them.
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He just wanted to help them understand, right?
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He frickin' ruined his character where suddenly he was some shady scientist asshole.
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You're like, okay, and it just sucked because he was good.
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I liked that he didn't have powers and he simply wanted to help.
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Also, there's a brief moment where he and Matt, who's the telepath, were raising Molly together, and then Molly disappeared, and it just was like, what what happened to Molly?
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And they were taking care of her.
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It just it was just so then Siler kills Nathan.
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Okay, like dead dead, not like fake dead.
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So Nathan is dead.
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Angela Pat and Nathan have this stupid idea.
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They make Siler shape shift into Nathan.
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Then y'all are gonna be like, wait, what?
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They basically have Siler think that he is Nathan.
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Everyone thinks that Nathan is still alive and Silar is dead.
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Except for them three.
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What the hell?
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That is all sorts of wrong.
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Why did you think this was going to be a good idea, okay?
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Why?
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Why?
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It was never going to be a good idea.
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It is in fact the opposite of a good idea.
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What?
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The fudge but buckets, okay?
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Why?
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Seriously, I do not I do not understand why they think that would be a good idea.
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Now let's get into Silar again.
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Zachary Quinto as Silar is bloody terrifying, okay?
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Like if I saw him walking down the street, if I was in Heroes, I'd be like, I'm good.
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I'm so good.
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I hope I don't have any power that you want.
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Bye.
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So yes, Zachary Quinto, amazing actor.
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Love him.
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Terrifying as Tyler.
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Absolutely terrifying.
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Holy shit.
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The part of you almost feels bad for him.
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No, don't get me wrong.
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He's he's a terrible person.
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He he's awful.
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But it makes you wonder would he have always been like that had had a sort of forced him into it.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like, because he they kind of did.
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They wanted to know what he could do, because again, the government freaking sucks.
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They kept pushing and he he kept doing it.
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Now, mind you, he is an adult.
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He made those choices, so that that's on him.
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But it's still it's still a lot, okay?
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And I wouldn't have been so mad at him.
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I wouldn't have been so mad at him having a redemption arc if it would have been a good redemption arc.
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I do still think that it would have been Peter to kind of make him see the see the light, right?
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Because that's Peter.
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Peter is just good.
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And if anyone was gonna make Siler kind of see humanity and see the importance of empathy, it was gonna be Peter.
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I was okay with that.
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But my issue is it just it felt too scrunched, like they needed more time.
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Siler needed like a whole like season, probably whole two seasons for it to be a believable redemption arc, and even then it would have not always been a redemption arc.
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You know what I mean?
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If not like a full one, like there is no forgiving when he's done.
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He has killed so many people, he hurt Claire, he has done a lot of things that are unforgivable.
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I think he would have been like an anti-hero.
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I think he would have come to terms with the fact that he is never going to be their buddies, okay?
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He's not.
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That's just not gonna happen.
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But I think at the end of the day, he wanted those connections.
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He just didn't know how to get those connections, right?
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He he didn't know how to do it, so then he did shady shit and awful things and just terrible, awful things.
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He's a monster.
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So I think he wanted those connections, and I think Peter could have helped him with that.
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Again, he's never gonna be like a part of the team, they're not gonna be besties, but he would have helped, and they would have been like needed his help, just saying.
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But now we're gonna go backtrack because this is why I got issues with Angela Petrelli.
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So Angela Petrelli makes freaking Siler think that he's a patrelli, right?
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Because he she wants to control him, and it's just what the hell are y'all doing?
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Writers, what were you doing?
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Angela, no, okay, and it just I think that I don't think that helped him.
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You know what I mean?
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I don't I don't I don't think that helped.
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And it's like, y'all, what the fuck?
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We didn't really like Matt towards the end because he just was doing a bunch of shady shit with his telepathy, and there's just a lot of things they do that makes he not like the the characters.
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Peter says mostly true for to himself.
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I think they miss an opportunity because he kind of he copies Siler's power and aptitude.
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It comes with that hunger, that curiosity, that desire, right?
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He copies that.
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I think they kind of miss an opportunity to really dig into Peter struggling with that.
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Because then he's dad just took all his powers, right?
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But I think they missed an opportunity to explore where he's got to explore his darker side.
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Because don't get me wrong, Peter's a great guy and he's good.
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I think it would have been interesting had they explored that that darker side of him.
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Also, they had so many characters that you just dropped, they just
dropped off and never explained what happened to him.
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So you had Claire's friend from the first season, and she had a boyfriend, I guess, the second season, and then she had another boyfriend, I think, who also dropped off, and they never explained where the hell they went.
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Again, I don't remember if they explained what happened to Molly, yeah, but she just disappeared, and Molly was the girl who could find anyone, which is terrifying.
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It's a good thing that Silar never got that power because that would be freaking terrifying.
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Because then he could find anyone he wanted.
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I really liked the artist who drew things and they were came true, which we would have had him a lot longer if that liked him a lot.
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Hero is wonderful.
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I always love Hero.
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Hero is just he's like sunshine, okay?
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He is just sweet and good and happy, and I love him so much.
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And I love his friend Ando.
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Ando is a star.
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Still have issues with him having powers because I like that he didn't have powers.
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They just kept giving everyone powers, y'all.
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Like, stop giving everyone powers.
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I liked Ando because he didn't have powers and he still stuck with Hero and he still believed him.
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Don't get me wrong, Ando was like, dude, uh I'm done.
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Which I get because he was in danger, but I like that Ando was there and he helped.
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I think in a way he kept Hero human.
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You know what I mean?
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He kept him human and kept him on track.
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I liked that.
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And then he got powers and he was still awesome, but it's like, why are we giving everyone powers?
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Can we not?
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You know what I mean?
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Like, dude.
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Can we stop?
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More or less.
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But with heroes, you can tell where the writing got off, and it definitely suffered, which really sucks because the first season of it was so good.
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It was such a great season.
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I don't know if they really explained how people got powers.
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I think they really did kind of go with the evolution kind of thing, which was interesting.
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And they had the carnival dude, he was a bad guy, and I'm like, okay, whatever.
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And then Claire jumps off a Ferris wheel on live television and then comes back.
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And I like that it was a callback to where it started, where she kept doing all those tests.
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Then I don't there was like a reboot, like Heroes Reborn, but it didn't, it didn't follow Claire.
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I think she was already dead through childbirth, it followed her kids, and I felt very disconnected.
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I feel like they retcon things, and it only lasts one season.
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But it would have been interesting to see how everyone reacts to knowing that there are people who are super and who have powers.
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And I think it could have been interesting to see how that evolved.
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How at first people are afraid and then they understand, and it would take some time.
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You know what I mean?
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Take some time, but it would have been very interesting to witness.
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And I think Claire would have been at the forefront and trying to be like, we're just people.
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Yeah, we have powers, but we're just people.
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I just just want to go to college and be with my girlfriend, you know what I mean?
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I think she was just so tired of hiding and always feeling like she has to watch her back, feeling like she has to censor herself.
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That's just not fair to her, it's not fair for anyone who has powers.
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Now I understand Nathan's trepidation, you know what I mean?
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I get that.
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I mean, they were hunted and they were experimented on, and they like I understand, but I also understand where Claire's coming from, that hiding, and that is not a way to live.
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It's not.
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But of course they ended it on season four, and then like I said, the reboot didn't really it kind of the the hero's reborn kind of was like, well, they're hunted and they're all of this, and they have to hide still, so I didn't feel like anything changed.
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I also didn't really understand how Claire died because it said that one of her she had twins and her kid took her powers, but like when he have already taken them when he was in her in her, so when he was born, why did he take them?
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When didn't he have already taken them?
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I don't know, it was weird.
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I don't I don't know how that works, but I think Kiros was great first season and it sort of lagged, and it definitely suffered from writing because of the writer's strike that happened at that time.
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And sometimes I wish that we could get it back, like we can't now, because Hayden Pantier, R.I.P.
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Rest in Peace, has died.
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So I doubt they'll ever redo it or remake it just because she was such a central part of that show.
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I mean, the tagline was Save the Cheerleader, Save the World.
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Fucking iconic.
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But it's interesting, and I liked it a lot.
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And it's kind of funny when you watch shows that you haven't watched in a while.
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Because I have a lot of shows I watch over and over again.
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I watch Supernatural, Charmed, Criminal Minds, Lawn Word, or SVU.
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So I got like shows that I have watched continually.
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And even when you watch them, there are some times where I notice things about charmed.
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That'll be another episode, or sometimes I notice something about supernatural, criminal minds, or SVU.
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But heroes I hadn't watched in so long that it was like kind of watching it again for for the first time.
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And I real and it made me realize, man, I still really love Claire as a character.
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I still really love Peter.
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You know, I'm still mad about what they did to Mahinder and Matt's character.
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I still have so many questions.
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Still don't like the entire Patrelli family other than Peter and Claire since she has Patrelli.
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But it's still a really good show.
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And I really enjoyed it.
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I don't know, maybe I'll watch a show I haven't watched again in a while.
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I don't know what that is, but maybe I'll watch something else that I haven't seen in a while.
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But I love superheroes, so I'm gonna continue watching superhero shows.
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But thank you for listening to me ramble about heroes.
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And uh if you have any comments or your own thoughts about heroes, let me know.
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Until next time.
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Bye.