Full Transcript for OBL 7/11: Best play-by-play pairs; Andrew Brandt on guaranteed contracts in the NFL

on the show. I don't what does it mean for the Bills, What does it mean for McCoy, What does it mean for the future. It doesn't look good. I think you have to acknowledge that. It's hard for It's hard to envision a scenario where Lashawn McCoy comes out of this completely clean and wash free and exonerated. It is a bad look all the way around. And and it's going to be interesting to see how it affects his future. Yeah, And that's and you know all and of course, you know, Bills fans and the Buffalo Bills themselves are interested, you know, highly in that yeah, prepared to entertain discussion about this. I guess I'm reluctant to hear a wild speculation from those of us who don't really have, you know, details on exactly what happened. I think it's still too early for that. Is eager as you may be to move on. But we are going to get a guest down at two o'clock today, one of my favorite guests, Andrew Brant, who deals with the business of the NFL on a regular basis. He is an attorney, He's a director of the more Ad Center for Sports Law at Villanova University in Philadelphia, is a former assistant general manager of the Green Bay Packers. So it seems to me Andrew Brant is well equipped Steve to deal with us at this early, early early stage about what teams might be thinking, what the league might be thinking, what the best possible path forward in this for Lashawn McCoy's agent, Drew Rosenhouse, what that might be. And again, Brant doesn't have any insight into this particular case, but I do think when he joins us at two o'clock today, Andrew Brant can provide us sort of a roadmap of what might be going on both at the bills level, at the league level, and for McCoy's reperation. And one of the things too is we went round and around with this yesterday and you can. And social media is a real tool and a weapon we use to help us prepare for the show. We get kind of a pulse of what the what you the fans are thinking about, what our listeners are thinking about, what the people on MSG watching us think about. Um, it is a social media world we live in, but we're not social media. We're mainstream media. So if you we have to be patient and can't fly off the handle, and a lot of times can't even acknowledge some of the stuff we have on social media that get thrown at us. And you can all imagine, you know what what gets tossed at us through those outlets, because you know, there's there's no accountability here. We have to be more patient, a little bit more measured in what we talk about and how we say it. Now. Certainly Murph and I have opinions about all of the things and all the aspects of this case and this situation and how it's going to unfold, but for the time being, we you know, we don't know enough to even make great conclusions as to how this might play out. So we're if it's sounds like we're being a little bit hesitant to jump into this, we are because there's just too much to take in at this point. And it is a big part of what we're gonna talk about today. We've got a couple of other things. Well, we'll take a break from it and then and talking about Andrew Brand's going to be a great a great resource for us because he's gonna have some interesting things about the process that this is going to go through. He's seen things like this before, or situations of this magnitude before in the NFL, and he'll get us. He'll give us a chance to get some insights to how the process is gonna work, and that to me will be as interesting as anything. You know, it always happens. Even when we get Andrew brant On, I will typically say to our producer Jay Harris, what are we going to talk to him about? There's nothing, and then all of a sudden, Andrew Brand's on the show, and it's boom. He's loaded within for He's one of my favorite guests. Yeah, he really is kind of a thinking man's analyst of what goes on in the NFL, whether it's television ratings sometimes or contract negotiations or the collective bargaining agreement. He can talk about it all, and we are going to lean on a lot of what he has to say coming up a two o'clock today, just about the McCoys situation, but also about the protests, the Ante protests and yesterday's moved by the NFLPA to file a grievance against the league for that. So Andrew Brandon too. We've got a really interesting guest coming up at one o'clock. I might sneeze in the middle of this seave. That's okay, go ahead, Yeah, we're gonna get him on. And we're also we're also going to talk to him about there's a little bit of a Twitter storm that went on yesterday. Russell Okung from the Seattle Seahawks came on and he had a very well thought out series about thirty tweets that came out about NFL players getting guaranteed contracts, and the obvious justification for that is because the players take such a physical risk in the game that they play that you know they need to have some security to go along with that risk on the end, Plus, they play in the league that dwarfs financially and the revenues that that is generated by this league, the NFL dwarfs the NBA, the NHL, the Major League Baseball, And because of that, and because of the role that the players have in that making, I think somewhere between forty seven and forty eight and a half percent of the growth of the revenues of the league just isn't enough. They don't think you like they're a full partner. And it's always and so you always get players like that who have that, and it's you can see the rationalization for it. But by the same token, it billionaires who own the teams are pretty easy targets. You know, they're easy. It's easy to throw darts of those guys because they're rich. And the problem is, um just because they're rich doesn't mean they need to give you their money for for whatever reason. And right now, if you're it's hard to sell when the players start talking about not getting guaranteed money, but they are making seven figures and so there's the other other side of that. I think that the league is moving

towards it. You got it Kurt Cousins with a three year guaranteed contract with the Minnesota Vikings for over eighty million dollars or right out eighty million dollars. So I think it is on the horizon. Like I've said a million times, I think the league gets it right. Sooner or later, there's gonna be some guys with some guaranteed contracts and we'll see how long it takes him to get to that point. And what they ever do is is a question for Andrew Brandt. Maybe up Andrew Brandon two one o'clock guest today, David Halberstam. Now that's a famous name. David Halberstam is deceased though died several years ago. One of the all time great nonfiction writers I think in America, especially in the twentieth century. But that's not the guy we have on the show because he's deceased. A distant relative, same name, David Halberstam's going to join us at one o'clock radio play by play voice of the Miami Heat for about seven years in the nineties, former executive vice president general manager at Westwood One Radio, author of Sports on New York Radio, a play by play history. He wrote a post for the Sports Broadcast General that crossed our desks about the most cherished. This is an interesting concept. I'm gonna ask him when he came up with this, the most cherished all times same market play by play pairs. I think about it just like Gavin Buffalo now right, Rick Jenner at the Sabers, Dan dun Leeby does Sabers, I do bills. You know, a couple of different people doing jobs. And David Halberstam has gone historically and come up with the twelve of the best two broadcasters to ever grace the market, covering different teams at the same time. Right number one on his list, the best broadcast pair two teams won market. Any thoughts on who it is? I saw the list, Okay, I gotta be honest. It's Chick Hearne from Los Angeles who did the Lakers, and Vince Scully of course, who did the Dodgers. How are you gonna argue with that? Right number two on his list? Let me just look it up there because I did look at Oh, this is a great went to Harry Callis who did the Phillies, and Merril Reese who's still on the air. Philadelphia just did the Super Bowl win, but for the Eagles. Number three. This is going back a little bit in the forties and fifties and sixties, Mel Allen doing the Yankees and Marty Glickman, who did the Giants of the Knicks. Number four. This blew us away, and this is why we got David Halberstam on the show. Number four, all time, all time best broadcast pair, same market, two different teams. Are you ready for this? Van Miller doing the Bills and Rick Jennerette doing the Buffalo Sabers. Van of course did Braves as well. That started in the seventies, jenneret and Van Miller, and continued up until two thousand and three Vans last season. We're going to talk with David Halberstam about this about his most cherished all time same market play by play pairs, two admired announcers, same market, the same time, covering two covering at least two, maybe more, different sports. It's a great concept. It's a it's a pretty good post. He put it up on the Sports Broadcast Journal. I spoke with David Halberstam briefly this morning getting him on the show, and I can't wait to talk to him. He's a he's an eager talker. It's a perfect guest we need on a day la perfect. We also have a Twitter question out there and it's you know, we're on the countdown to training camp and we put three guys on this list about um, which is, it's a pretty good question which defensive player will make the Pro Bowl in twenty eighteen and why then? Of course Turdavious White's running away with it. Micah Hyde is also on there in Jordan Poyer, a corner and two safeties. It's interesting too because there's so many question marks about the front seven and so many guys we don't know about that are gonna be new faces up there. It kind of falls to the secondary and the great year they had last year that all three of those guys would have a chance at it. Turdevious White, though, and I think some of the people who've tweeted in I think are right on the money. Did you read the Twitter question? I just did? Oh, okay, it's part of the camp countdown series. Yeah, on Bill's Buffalo Bills dot Com and it's number fifteen. Will Jordan Poyer make the Pro Bowl? But agend. The question is which defensive player is a Pro Bowl candidate? What do you got? And he's one of the things about it is and I just read this. It's actually not on my tweet sheet right here, but it said, you know, Tardavious White running away. But most people think about this like this, Turdavious White had a great year last he's a great player, and he's gonna have ano the great season if he stays out all that stuff. The reason Turdavious White is such a good candidates because he's got even after the great year he had last year, he's highly motivated for being the guy that's always looked over. He's not getting national attention. He had a great year, he had an elite year as a corner last year as a rookie, and yet Lattimore from New Orleans also who also had a great year at cornerback for them, is over has been overshadowed. He was left and Turdavious White was left off a couple of lists as one of the top young quarterbacks or who's gonna have another second great year. He's been overlooked by so many national media outlets that even though he had a great elite year as a corner last year, he's highly motivated, commit to show everybody's wrong. So it's a great answer to that question that White, Turdavious White, will be the guy on our list that will make the Pro Bowl from the defensive side of the Bills. And and and the reason why which Bills defensive player will make the Pro Bowl this year? Maybe it's more than one. Give us a call, love to discuss. Phone line's open the eight oh three fifty the number or outside Buffalo toll free call at one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. And on Twitter, you can vote at one Bills Live on our Twitter site which Bills defensive

player will make the Pro Bowl? Overwhelmingly, seventy eight percent of you say it'll be Turdevious White, fourteen percent say it'll be Micah Hyde, six percent say Jordan poy or three percent have somebody else in mind. Give us a call. I'd like to hear your voice about that or anything else regarding the Bills. Which defensive player will make the Pro Bowl in twenty eighteen From our tweet sheet from Ian Campbell. He says it'll be White. He says, I think he'll thrive in year two with more experience. Plus we have added some nice pieces to the defense. That's pretty good to look at it, right, Steve just said Turdevious seems motivated after being overlooked in some quarters for his tremendous rookie year. And there are some new pieces, particularly attempts to get better upfront defensively, that may make Turdevious even more effective in a second year. That's a good answer. Yeah, it is a good answer. And another tweet from Bobby b and this is the one. This is why we came up for this thing. He says, can I I can't pick more than one question mark hide poor year and Trey and he says he thinks they're all gonna make it. And that's why we were sitting around thinking, Yeah, that's a tough choice, because they all had worthy seasons a year ago, and we put them on the list, thinking, but the most likely as the one the MSG viewers are watching right now Tredevious White, and he just it's unbelieving that. The thing about it is that it was fun to watch him play last year too, and you see some of even some of his highlights. Always you always catch him dancing in the snow against the Colts and other games as well. That was kind of his thing. He it's just a fun guy to have on the team. He played with a lot of happiness, a lot of joy. It was fun watching him play for the Buffalo Bills last year, and it's kind of easy to cheer for him to have another great year. From Wandering Jack, a frequent contributor to the tweet sheet, all three are excellent candidates, he says. Micah Hyde arrived as a top flight safety last season and will now be in consideration every year. Probably right, Trevis White, it should have been Defensive Rookie of the Year and showed he's a future lockdown cornerback. He is my vote. But a Poyer has another year like last year, he will get notice. Those are the three I think most people focus on when it comes to potential Pro Bowl candidates on the Buffalo defense. Those are the top three. If we thought about it, we'd probably come up with others. Well, yeah, and that's the thing about it though. This the secondary last year I think was an enormous surprise. Everybody was brand new back there, ej. Gaines, Tradevious White, Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde. All four guys were brand new last year. They had no idea how they were going to play, and they ended up being the strength not only the defense, but really the entire team. They were the engine that really gave the team a competitive chance every year. There you're in a throwing league in the NFL, and you've got a really good secondary who's doing all kinds of things to get interceptions and getting turnovers. They kept the team in games early in the season. They continue to even deep into the season and into the playoffs. It was up it was. I think the most surprising transformative part of the Bills change over to the Sean McDermott Brandon Bean era last year was the four guys they had starting in the secondary. And this year, kind of the fun part about it is they've upgraded the front seven, or at least signed a lot of new faces on the front seven to try and give those guys in the back end some help. And if they can help those guys in the back end, that's why I'm sitting here jumping up and down. Murphall obviously is saying they're gonna be in a top ten defense, and I can't wait to see him play. I want to see him play. I want to see these other teams come in and score nine points a game, ten points a game, you know. I want to see him struggle to get thirteen points. It'll be fun. Yeah, it'll be fun. There are other candidates. Two on defense. I would think Kyle Williams with what his five Pro bowls would have to be in consideration. And on the tweet sheet from Tiffany Daniels, she tweets him, I like the veteran Jerry Hughes to have a big season. With the additions to the defensive line, teams will not be able to double team him. Predict double digit sacks and a force stopping the run. He had a solid twenty seventeen Pro Bowl bound in twenty eighteen, maybe, I mean, if he gets double digit sacks, you'd have to think Jerry Hughes could get Pro Bowl consideration. He was snubbed in Pro Bowl consideration earlier on when he did have a couple of double digit sacks years back to back. So he's overdue, I would think. But he needs to get the pass rush production up, no question about that. Yeah, And that's that's right. And I think I forgot like Jerry Hughes If the entire defense has a phenomenal year like like the one, I'm you know, trumpeting that they should have a lot of guys are gonna get noticed. A lot of guys are gonna get noticed. And you're right, Kyle Williams will be a rubber stamp to go back to the Pro Bowl again, even if he has a more minor role than he has in the past, if he's a rotational player on the inside. Now that they have a couple three guys that can actually give him some rest, guys that they trust on the front line with Phillips and Lotulele, It'll be interesting to see, but a lot of guys will be if they do. If the entire defense takes a big step forward in year two of this system with some new faces on the front in the front seven, a lot of guys are gonna get noticed, and Hughes Wood could be one of them. So give us a call, let us know what you think. Eight oh three oh five fifty and toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty voting on our Twitter poll or way in you know on Twitter which Bills defensive player or players will make the Pro Bowl in twenty eighteen. We'd love to hear what you have

to say about that. A couple of other things going on today see even at one o'clock the NFL Supplemental Draft, five players eligible. I'm not sure if the Bills are going to be a factor in this. And if they are, or if anybody is, I don't know if we'll have even, you know, an announcement by three o'clock today, the July eleventh Supplemental Draft. It's for players who did not declare for the spring draft but are eligible now to enter the NFL. Have to be three years removed from high school, change in their college circumstances. For the most notable one beal right, Sam Beale. Right. It had to do with now being academically ineligible to play this fall, so he has declared for the draft, a weighted lottery based on the April draft order. UM teams will get the Supplemental Draft order just before it begins. UM starts at one pm today. I'm trying to think what else you need to know? We got that's it, man, we gotta. The Bills have been linked to Sam Beale because they went to his Pro day and they will lead up to this supplemental draft. The Browns have been linked to Sam Beale being interested in him. Uh, you know, and of course snooping around the Bill. It's hard to and nobody's here, I mean, and the guys that are here that can make these decisions, they may be here, but you know, we're they're at the other end of the building. And I didn't feel like walking out, No I didn't. Yeah, we're not. We're not privy to what they're thinking. We don't have conversations with Sean McDermott and Brandon being on a daily basis, and quite frankly, they don't want us talking about it. Probably they're not going to the playing so we don't know what they're gonna do. So, but but there isn't you know. Believe me, they're not setting up a news the news room for a news conference with Sam Beale. So and that's the only tip off I would get. Yeah, it doesn't appear that there's gonna be much. Well, we'll see. I don't want to speak before the thing starts at one o'clock. But I'd be surprised if the Bills were actors in the supplement I don't want to get it crazy either. But I mean, I don't know who knows that. If I mean, I would think that the Bills are probably going to put an offer in on that guy, but one that they can live with, like a fifth rounder. Now, he's supposed to be a second round physical talent, good change direction. You know that, you read the scouting reports. His feet tell you that he's going to be able to cover, he's got the size for it. He could you know, he could stand to gain a little weight, but he's he's got a lot of things that they're looking for physically in a corner. So the Bills would probably say listen, uh, you know, they may like where their roster is right now, and plus after the OTA's and Mini camp, they probably say nine. I don't know. I like these guys too, the guys they've already got signed, so he's just one more body. I don't know that they'd be willing to risk any kind of draft pick for a guy when they liked their roster, because this is different than the regular draft. Now they've got almost their entire roster in place, and they've been able to coach him up, so they've got a good feel for the guys they've got, and if they don't think Sam Beale from a pro day can overshadow the physical abilities the guys they've got on the roster right now, they'll pass. Plus it cost you if you use the third rounders today, you don't have a third rounder next day. Yeah, and that's yeah, so's it's hard for these supplement Now there's been it's been times in the past where they've done it where supplemental guys have come in and kind of splashed and made it. Chris Carter, we mentioned yesterday back in the day he played for thirteen years in the Hall of Fame, was a supplemental draft guy. So you know, there's always that roll of the dice. But it's a blind auction. You just put your bid in. If somebody says, yeah, somebody put a bit in and you didn't get it, you know, somebody put in a higher draft pick than you did. Yeah, So okay that you gotta be willing to live with it. One of our guests yesterday, George Bazeka, talked to us about the biennial Convention of the Pro Football Researchers coming to Buffalo this weekend. Got a really nice note from the president of the Pro Football Researchers Ken Crippen, who said, thanks for having George John. I hope you for and this is the part that intrigued me. See said, I hope that if you are available for part of all of the weekend, you would stop by. We'd love to have you attend. I just might. I'm gonna go back and you can find anyone can go. Um they invite the public and you can go to their website Pro Football Researchers Association dot org. There might be a a lecture or presentation or two that I would like to hear. Now the issue is going to be it's what's the weather doing. They have my yard work done. But I think that I love pro football history. I think that'd be so if you don't have root canal, you're gonna be may go. I might check it out. I'm not going to spend the whole weekend there, but I thank Ken Crippen for the invitation. I know it'll be a room full of interesting pro football researchers and historians, many of them local. And you just might find me there this weekend. Not you. You're gonna imagine that, No, imagine Yeah, that's I'm not a Yeah, I'm not a big history buff, although you know my yeah, so I'm thinking, yeah, I'm ill about you though. You think though there's some great stories in that room. Yes, those guys do nothing but go back and look through and I And it's not just that's the thing. It's not just about the stats. It's not like all the websites we've gotten now like Pro Football Focus and all that, you know, stats grew and Jesus and all the stuff that we use for for our research. It's history. It's stories, it's teams, it's franchises, it's big picture stuff as well as minutia that gets lost in it. And you know, with one small detail that has a ripple effect that affects somebody, you know, all that kind of

stuff. They got books out about it. It's it's pretty interesting that way. And you think about the multitude of stories because I know, I was just I was on one two teams, but one team for eleven and a half years, and there's a gazillion stories coming out of that team. And I know every other team has the same kind of thing. So it's it's pretty fun to think about all the guys in there that have access to that piece. Pro Sports starts Friday, run through a Saturday. They have a tour here of the stadium on Sunday. UM, and you don't have to be a member. Great guest speakers Thurman, Thomas, Edward Kowski, Um, Bob Schmidt who played with the Giants and the Bills and the Patriots, Abe Ed dab Bramowski, Denny Lynch. Great speakers. I might check it out. I'm happy they're coming in and I hope, I know they're gonna have a great weekend. I think it's kind of cool. Yeah, I'd say it really does. And it's happening here in Buffalo. Yeah, and that's something that's it's a group that's been it was formulated at the Pro Football Hall of Fame forty years ago. UM, and it's the researchers of a Pro Football Researchers of America Association and this weekend. Yeah, it's I don't know, though, Man, the last thing you want to do sitting in a conference room a nice week Maybe it were just how we were talking about the weather and how much we appreciate it. You can't appreciate it sitting in you can talk about I mean, I would go say hi to Abe aby Dude. I'd go, hey, say hi to Aby Do there I'm miss Abydu. I see him every once in a while in an event. But still I've heard I've heard all. I've heard all stories. So okay, all right this weekend, that is all right? Which Bills defensive player will make make the Pro Bowl in twenty eighteen. That's the topic we start with today. Love to hear your voice on the air. The phone line's open eighth three five fifty or toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty or on Twitter at one Bills. We were talking about the supplemental draft happens at one o'clock today, which is, you know, half an hour away, and Dylan tweets in, you know, he wants to know what happens to the supplemental draft pick that you spend on a supplemental pick? What happens to the draft selection after that? Does it just disappear and the guys that are in that draft just click up one notch behind you. I think that's how it happens that pick. So you say, for instance, if if you're for instance, I'll use the first round this year is an exnappole. If the Bills use their first round pick a year ago, that number seven pick a year ago on a supplemental pick, that pick just disappears and everybody then the team right behind Buffalo, which ended up being what Miami or somebody Miami would have picked seven. Yeah this year. So I think that's what happens. That pick just goes away. It just disappears, and you take it out of the order and everybody moves up. One click. All right, a break, We're back with more. One Bill's Live is just getting started. We're presented by Kalida Health. We're coming here from One Bill's Live. Or we're coming from One Bill's Drive. One Bill's Live at the show as a dollar. No, I didn't say the old spill name. This is Buffalo Bill's radio show. It's called One Bills Live. It comes here from One Bill's Drive. We're right next door to New Era of Field on a beautiful What's today Wednesday? See a program? Note, we have no show coming up for you Friday. Friday's a couple of Fridays off. What are you laughing about? You can work if you want. All we do is sometimes we the tweet sheet and we take a day off. I know, it's so awesome this Friday off, next Friday off, and then we are a lot of it. There's good reasons for why we are off them because you know, really, let's hear yeah, the instigators one extra this Friday, no show, next Friday, no show. And then it's camp time, ladies and gentlemen. Thursday, August twenty six, which is two weeks from tomorrow Bill's training camp. Last time we talked about the Steve, you were not. I didn't detect a lot of enthusiasm about reporting the camp. How are you doing with that now? Two weeks ago? Whoa man? You come on, No, it's gonna be great, Steve. No, No, didn't you hear the responses? Yeah, I get twitter poll? Yeah, you know what, none of those people who respond on our Twitter poll ever wore a helmet in the NFL training camp, so they weren't out there. You know, so scar tissue left over from you're playing emotional scar tis. Come on, look, you drive, We don't even stay. And I had one of the easiest training camp histories here in Buffalo all time. All the golf too much, right exactly, And I still I still yeah, you know what. Come on, man, look, you hop in a car, you drive to Rochester, you see what's going on. You get a show together. You watch practice early in the morning that most of these practice are gonna be at eight fifteen, eight right, eight forty five am. Practice ends at eleven ten thirty eleven. Jump on the set, do a couple of interviews. The sun is shining. There's people walking around in shorts all over and you're gonna wear you ever where sunscreen is? Yeah? I think I do. There probably don't, but I do. It's great. The fans all over the place, people kind of watching the show. Did you ever do the show with us out of camp last year? No? No, I didn't go to I went to training camp like once last year. You're gonna go more this year. But I love it. I love getting out, I love meeting. Are we gonna Are we gonna car pool? We're gonna drive over together and do that? Will you do that? You want people? Yeah? Come on? Why would we should? Why wouldn't we that way otherwise? Minutes from there? Otherwise you're likely to come up with some excuse why you can't go. I've got caught in traffic in Batavia or something. It's gonna be gonna be late, Murph. I'm gonna got traffic camp in Batavia. It starts the first training camp practice starts two weeks from tomorrow, Thursday, August twenty six. That's our first day there. That's a

five thirty practice. You do need a ticket for that. Go to our website Buffalo Bills dot com if you want to see more information about Bills Training Camp. The twenty eighteen Bills Training Camp coming up, eighteenth year in a row at Saint John Fisher College. Do I have that writers at nineteen It might be nineteen. Anyway, we'll be there doing shows. I think we got eight or ten shows coming up in the months of July and August, getting you ready for the season. Here's the thing, Steve, it'll get you and maybe you don't need this, but it gets me into the total Bills frame of mind. Like by the time training camp is about halfway complete. To be honest with you, I'm like, don't talk to me about anything else. There's nothing else. I lose track of the baseball. He's an I lose track of everything except Bills football. One second, Bill, you do, Burf, you do bills, Live one bills, live year round. How do you mean take this is total immersion. This is total immersion. So in the twenty eighteen bills to the point where by the end of training camp you wreck you don't even know names and numbers. You recognize you know, the eighty seven guy in the roster. Oh that's so and so he's pretty good or a good play in practice the other night. Now that's for me. It's a way to like fill up your storehouse of information to get ready to do these preseason games. You could probably benefit, is what I'm trying to Oh, I'm sure I'll get something out of it, if if nothing but a sunburn, but if the thing about it is I get that what you're saying. That's one of the you know, you're kind of immersed in your team when you don't even you can't read the helmet or you can't read the jersey or anything. You just see a guy walking and think, oh, yeah, there's you know, yep, I remember you know guy. I can remember names of guys back then, but yeah, you see guys saying, oh yeah, there's there's Kyle Williams. You recognize everybody as easy as you recognize Kyle Williams. You know, that's you can tell you'll get there if you go, which I think you will, You'll be able to tell who's who by the way they run exactly, and by the way a receiver runs. You don't need to see the name and number. Oh that's so Joe, because I recognize the way he runs. I can't tell you what a what a what a boost? That is? What an aid? That is? When you get ready to broadcast a preseason game. Oh yeah, you know what I mean. I know the way that guy's running. It's got to be him exactly. Usually is exactly. And that's h and I get that. It's you know, if and you and I, you know, we're neck deep in this thing. So that's that's where you have to be. Yeah, it's where you kind of have to you be, and you go. And I used to go in and talk to the training staff a lot during training camp about you know, and get their their take because I used to while you were playing, well, no, while I was no. When I'm since I've been a broadcast, okay, I go talk to the training staff and get their take on guys, not not like who's gonna

make it, who's not gonna make it? What just what kind of guy he is because they you know, they see him in the locker room. They're taping their ankles, they're hearing conversation, they're in conversations with the players and the team at their position, and they're hearing them interact with each other, and they get a real good feel about, you know, how the kids doing, how the guy's feeling, how he's playing, good days, bad days, how he handles the bad days, how he handles the good days. And it's really insightful because, uh, it's easiest. You know, these guys are hey, they're football player, but these are just young guys trying to make their way in a really, really difficult game. And it's a it's a really pressure packed atmosphere for the players at training and that's why, you know, that's why I carry so much, you know, to carry a grudge against training camps, because it's it is your pressure packed. Yeah, I mean, your your life is on the your livelihood is on the line, your dreams are on the line, and every time you take a rep you feel like it's either you know Nirvana or you know, Hell on Earth, and it's it's you know, it's you ride, you ride the fence between those two things constantly, and it's it's pretty rough. And let me say I I acknowledge that and appreciate that. I'm not saying I welcome that, but I know that it's pressure for those players, and I'm sure there's a lot going out. I think that's part of the appeal of training camp for fans and observers, knowing that what they do out there matters to those guys and their futures. I believe it does anyway I do. And I you know, we uh they live like it, they play like it, they act like it, and they're living it and it's it's it's pretty sobering to think, um about how much these guys have invested into their football career. They then they're they're coming out. This is if you equate this to another industry outside of sports. These guys are all masters degree holders in football. Um they are, you know in some of them, and the veterans are PhDs. I mean, they've got it going on. They know the ins and outs and how it's done. And they're coming out they're like it's like coming out of Princeton. You come out of Alabama after playing Division one football on scholarship for four years or three years or whatever, and it's like coming out of Princeton with a business degree. It really is. You're there are people who want you to play for him, and uh, there's pressure that goes along with it. I've often wondered if other professions might benefit from a training camp style setup where once a year you get away with the candidates for jobs at you're at your organization and people who currently work there, and you kind of rehash, here's what we want to do this year, you know what I mean? It might. I think people have retreats or corporate retreats, but I mean as serious almost um, you know, reality show battle for your job and other people trying to get your job. You know, I think that corporations think about that. I don't know if they might. The corporations might benefit, but you're talking about, you know, wrecking people's careers because they got some guy who impresses you over the two days of a weekend. But yeah, maybe longer than But I mean CBS, when I when for this season a couple of days off, I'm gonna have to take later on in August our first, CBS what Yeah, come on, because they have a semi they call it seminar. We go to CB, we go into New York, we go to the they have a big theater in the Museum of Modern Art. We all and all the everybody's there, from Jim Nance and Tony Romo all the way down to schmucks like me are in the room. Plus the ba's the AD, the broadcast assistance, the assistant directors, the producers, the technical not technical directors, but all the people that are on the crew that you're going to be doing your games with are in the room. And also the studio guys you know that James Browns and Bill Cowers of the World and Boomera assizeins. Those guys, they're they're in the room. Plus you know, and then you get the executive branch of CBS with Leslie Moonvess and somebody's stratospheric like him steps in and says a few words as well. But they give us the uh, the overview of what the broadcasts are going to look like at a network level, and what they're what the foundation's going to look like. Plus you meet all the new talent last year James Lofton was added on to our our roster. So I got a chance to see James again in the in the seminar, we'll go in and do that same thing again. So you're right, I mean train there's different types and they look different. But that would be a two day series of meetings is what a training camp looks like in a different industry. Nobody's job is on the line at that meeting. No, no, nobody, you're there if you're at that meeting, that's correct. You know Ron Wolfley local places with cardinal cardinals. Yeah, I had great conversation with him once interview when he was still playing. He was a special teamer. You're covering him, well yeah, he I consider him a friend, so yeah, he's a good man. He had a he got this. He got me thinking about this, he said once. You know, we talked about I think every person in American business would benefit from covering kicks at one time or another. I don't care if they're dressed up in their suit with a at the shake case in their hands, run down in your suit in your eight hundred dollars loafers and cover a kick. I'm telling you it would be the best thing for American business. And he was dead serious. Listen, I've said the same thing. I said, it's great therapy. It's great therapy. And and wolf is the because he's the he's the radio analyst for the radio broadcast. He's a Mark Kelso of the Arizona Cardinals. And you want to talk about the guy with the best all star wrestling voice of all time, it is Ron Wolfley. He is the he's great, and he's he's hilarious. But I've said this, I said the same thing, and I've been quoted in

articles. I think a lot of people would benefit from being able to cover a kick once a week because you know, you can just cut it loose and run as fast as you can't, hit as hard as you can, dive in and just you know, because you do have that feeling of invincibility kind of when you do it, when you got the helmet pads on and you're the one that's the aggressor. Um, there's a lot to be said for that. Yeah, and I'm with Wolf. I didn't I said you should suit him up. I didn't say anything about going down your in your in your amani suit. M. Yeah, it's it's I gotta be honest with you. And I know, you know, in the in the climate in which we live, it's frowned upon it. They almost did away with him. It is a blast, it is. It's the funnest thing a special teams player gets to do is run down on a kickoff because your team just scored or it's the opening kick of the game and you're trotting down there. And you know when when I was, when I was good for a minute, you know, having that on your shoulders, being able to be the guy you say, I know, you know, you just feel confident, I'm gonna be the guy when this thing's over. I'm gonna be the guy tackling the ball. It's a lot of fun, yea. And it's and it's you know, the the you know, it's like all human comportment is out the window. You know, you could be just be you can just be some guy, you know, and it's it's awesome. Yeah, I know. That's why Wolf like, he's got some of the great radio analogies of all and I can't even get into him now you can. He's he actually said this on the on the radio one and I don't know what it was all I heard was the call. You can gouge your eyes out and throw them away, because you'll never see it done any better than that wolf. He's the best. He's Orchard Park's own, and he hasn't he has never changed. He is the same now as he always has. Man I go on their show once a year. He's great. A breakcare. We're back when we're gonna talk about which defensive players would get in the Pro Bowl for the Bills this year. Give us a call. Eight oh three, five fifty and toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty one Bills Live from One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. We're here today and one Bill's Live from One Bill Drive. Chat Murphy Steve Tasker here until three o'clock today. We got good guests coming up. We're gonna talk with Andrew brant Uh, the sports business expert. We'll talk with him about McCoy's situation. Coming up at two, we talk about play by play tandems in markets different sports with David Halberstam coming up at one o'clock, and the meantime we'll take your phone calls. Eight three fifty and toll free one eight eight five two five fifty Terrence calling from Corfew, New York. Ahead, Terrence, you're on the air, Hi, John, I just had a thought about McCoy's situation, and to me, I mean, another scenario could be if he's really trying to evict her from his property there, that she's got to be mad. So, I mean, she could have had another guy over people. Sure there could be another guy that roughed her up, but if she's so mad at him, Terence, are you Terrence? Are you are you saying that she paid somebody to look to rough her up? Is that what you're saying? No? No, I'm saying that it could have just been somebody that she had over that happens to be that kind of guy. Oh, I see, who knows, Terrence, I don't know. That's the thing. Who knows this is? It's I don't think that at the girl's friends would have pointed the finger to automatically. I don't know. You know, now they start, why would they start accusing other people of doing what obviously happened from somebody else. I mean that's uh, yeah, that you're right. I mean, there's there's really no scenario where this turns out really well. Um, so it's but I get it. I mean, we're we're all Terrence at and that call. Thanks for calling Terrence. That lets you know how much we don't know. Yeah, you can invent anything you want to try and invent anything you want. And there's you know, every you know, Bills fans are trying to invent some scenario where he comes out of this and we don't have to look at him with a suspicious eye anymore. And it's uh, it's it's rough. It's rough. It's a bad situation, and it's gonna we're gonna have to sit patiently and frustratingly sit here and wait. And it's not just us, by the way, I would say that, it's the entire Bills organization. Not to mention Bills fans. We'll get to that, and I'm but the entire org Look, these folks who run this place, the football side, know how critical Leshaun McCoy has been to the operation. So yeah, they're paying attention to this and considering a bunch of stuff. And you can bet too. I mean, he lives, he lived here in Buffalo, He's been in Buffalo for a couple of years. This is not the kind of Leshaun McCoy than anybody in this building probably knows. I mean, this is shocking to them like it is to anybody. So you know, they got to get their mind around that. And they're waiting on They're waiting for more information, There's no question about it. And they're they're waiting more with more on the line than any of us has built fans. Yeah, they are very keenly interested in any information they can get from sources that know, and we're not one of them. I wish we knew more we did, and it's frustrating. That's the frustrating. We're gonna be on for three hours, and it's frustrating how much we don't know and how much we can't say, and because everything we could say or possibly say, it's just speculation and hearsaying guesswork. And it's a little bit of that, like I said at the beginning of the show, with social media reaction rather than facts and reason. So they call on this from Jose and Buffalo go ahead, Jose, Hey, good morning, guys, afternoon. I mean, this whole situation is really messed up, you know what I mean. It's like, on one hand, you got hurt. You got people saying that, you know, he's been trying to vict her for almost a year. You know, there hasn't been no

power on in the house. He's actually tried to get her to move out. But then on the other hand, you got you know, this senseless you know, something that happened. We know something happened. You know. My thing is this, even after the fact that if let's say, let's say the shade he's found innocent, is he's still gonna be uh, you know, suspended like Ezekiel Eliott, like uh, what was the other one? Uh? That was just it was just hearsay, you know. I mean, this is this thing we got to think about, and or like Ruben Foster, I mean, we got to think about, you know what, what's the consequence for these people that are that are making false accusations and these these NFL players are still getting suspended, you know, from false accusations. I mean, you've got to figure the man was in Miami at the time of the attack. I don't under I mean, it's just it's just really bad. I mean, it is really bad. Jose, You're right, You're right, there's I don't know, but is it a false accusation. I think we're all waiting to see the validity or the truth of the accident. And that's the film too, because it has been an acrimonious relationship obviously. But the situation is this, we've all seen somebody cry wolf once or twice or whatever. Now it's like, well, now we've got to wait until is this another one of those? Is this something that isn't what it appears to be or what they're trying to make it look like. So you're right, Jose, it is. Um It gives everybody pause because we've seen athletes be targets in past. It It was that way in the mid eighties here in Buffalo, um so, and it's gonna be that way as long as uh as people think they can be one of those who can get money out of an athlete. But for the time being, you can't. Her interests are real. Something happened, and you feel for her. You don't want to see anybody go through that, and you would like to see whoever it is, be held accountable for those actions. So that's that's where we're at. We're waiting to see and none nobody with more interest than the Buffalo Bills organization and coaching staff and players and the people who live and work with Lashawn McCoy, and I know fans are interested and concerned as well, and you can't do anything about that. I just repeating kind of what I said yesterday. You know, we don't know what happened here. You have to have a certain measure of patients. You can speculate if you want. Steve and I believe me, we talk about it. We talked about it all morning, pretty much, you and I and at the end we decided we don't really know enough about this to say this is what's going to happen or this is what should happen. If you can exercise that restraint, please try. I think, yeah, you just got to wait a little bit. And that's in no way to minimize how serious the situation it is. It's it's tremendously serious. It's a horrible crime committed. I'm that young woman. But we nobody really knows quite yet what happened, and so we all want to jump to conclusions and look at it. Well, who's next we'll play running back? Who should what's gonna happen to Shady? Will he be suspended. Uh, who knows, I don't know. Nobody knows yet. Yeah, and it's yeah, and that's the frustrating part about it for us. I mean, we're you know, we don't quite Frankly, Murph and I don't want to sit here for three hours and talk about what we don't know. And to be honest, I don't want to listen to people speculating. Yeah and yeah. And it's like I said too this we're Murph and I are are mainstream media. We're not social media, so we can't react and just fly off the handle anonymously. UM. I'm not willing to go out on a limb in this case, and at all, I want to sit I want to be patient and find out what happened and um, and let the people who are informed and with the authority to do something about what happened do it and uh and take and then go from there. So it's it's frustrating for Murph and I very frustrating. Uh kind of ruined our day yesterday. I'll tell you that it's because I got this whole thing came down. And I'm not saying like we're the victims here, not at all. But no, man, Oh man, what a day to come to work and have this drop on your lap fifteen minutes before we literally fifteen minutes before we went on the air and find out after about three or four minutes that it was real and uh, and then try and regroup, just like Bills fans are trying to regroup today. So UM, we're gonna muddle through it. Hang in there, and if you want to call us, you can call us, tweet at us. Uh, we're talking about the Bills stuff. We've got Andrew Brant coming on which will get maybe shed some light and be some interesting stuff here at two o'clock about what the process is going to be through this entire scenario, both in the football end of it and in the law into it. And I think that's gonna be interesting coming up next. I think this is gonna be interesting too, coming up after the top of the hour. We're gonna yes, we're gonna change So I're just gonna talk about play by play voices and two cherished voices one market. At the same time, there is an article written on Sports Broadcast Journal from former Miami Heat broadcaster David Halberstam, who says the Bills Buffalo head Van Miller Rick Jenner right at the same time for many years and one of the most cherished play by play combinations ever all time. We'll talk with David Halberstam about that when we come back. It is One Bill's Drive from One Bill's Live. From One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio Hills Radio Network Sports Update Update from One Bill's Drive. As the LaShaun McCoy situation continues without much concrete news yet, the lawyer for the ex girlfriend of McCoy says the Bill's running back it's responsible for orchestrating an attack that left her bloody amid attempts to get her to leave his suburban Atlanta mansion. There is no police report on the incident yet, and no hospital report that we know of. The Bills maintained that they are monitoring the situation, and I've been in

contact with Lashawn McCoy and that's about it. There's not much news on that today. The Baltimore Ravens, Buffalo's opponents, and the season opener, have already had their rookies report to training camp today in Owens Mills, Maryland. Veteran players report next week. Baltimore brought in rookies like tight end Hayden Hurst, quarterback Lamar Jackson, offensive Taco Orlando Brown linebacker Kenny Young. They're going early because the Ravens participated in the Hall of Fame Game, they are eligible to report to training camp earlier than the rest of the league. Ravens rookies reporting for duty today marks the beginning to the end of vacation time around the National Football League Sabers, and now today they've added Steve Smith to their coaching staff as an assistant coach. In nine year NHL coaching veteran, Smith joins the Sabers after spending the last four seasons as an assistant coach with the Carolina Hurricanes, where he was responsible for the team's defenseman and penalty killed tennis an upset at Wimbledon today, Roger Federer lost to Kevin Anderson in a four hour, five set epic. Today. Federer seemed to be heading for a routine victory with match point to complete a straight sets winning the third, but Anderson held his nerve to level up, then produced a remarkable surge to take Federer deep into the fifth set. Roger Federer loses at Wimbledon today to Kevin Anderson and Anderson Stunt's top seeded Roger Federer today. Earlier today, Novak Djokovic reached the Wimbledon semifinals with a win over Keya Nishia Kori and World Cup semifinals today at two o'clock England in Croatia in Moscow today, the winner moves on to play France in Moscow on Sunday. That's the update from One Bill's Drive. John Murphy, Steve Tasker coming here from our one Buffalo studio. This came across our desk today. An extremely interesting note. Really an article posted on the website that deals with broadcasting. Really sports broadcasting, Sports Broadcast Journal. The most chair wish all times, same market, play by play pairs two guys, same city, different sports, loved by the fans. Ranked by our next guest. He is a former radio play by play voice of the Miami Heat, executive vice president general manager at Westwood One for a while, and the author of the book Sports on New York Radio, a play by play history. Happy to have author David Halberstam on with us, David, John Murphy and Steve Tasker here in Buffalo. Thanks for joining us. Hey, Hi, guys, how are you doing. We're doing great. Thank you. I asked you this when we spoke on the phone earlier today. I don't just so there's no confusion. Can you tell me you did mention to me that you are a distant relative of the great Pulitzer Prize winning journalist David Halberstam Right, I sure am. He passed and seas Amazon Sinnamon a wonderful and versivil writer. David was He wrote about sports, and he wrote about politics, and he wrote about business, and he wrote about culture, and he was a big sportsman. Wrote

books on the history of sports. He did a book on Michael Jordan. He did a book about the New England Patriots and Coach Belichick, and stories on the Yankees Cardinals of nineteen sixty four and the nineteen forty nine Red Sox. And all I am is a fellow trying to emulate him to a degree. I could use them on air sales management. Did write a book about sports broadcast history. Yeah. Well, it's a great name to live up to, that's for sure. David, tell me where does this idea come from? To look at different markets, different sports, different play by play guys and ranked them tell me about the inspiration for that. Well. I started a website back in January. It's now called Sports Broadcast Journal dot com. Sports Broadcast Journal dot com, and the idea was to profile various broadcasters. And I write about three times a week. Sometimes I'll have someone substitute to me. I've had guys like Kenne Levine, who's a screenwriter in Hollywood, to do a few articles for me, Tom Hofarth, Rudy Martsky and a whole bunch doing those for me. So the website is really growing, and I've had really lists, profiles, trans patterns and so on. And I've done a lot of stories on the great Vin Scully and on Chick Kerne. And one day I was sitting around and thinking, and I said, it has any market ever in any way compared with two pairs or a pair of announcers in the same city like Chickherne, who did the Lakers for forty s oad years, and of course Vin Scully who did the Dodgers for sixty seven years, and overlap and dominate a marketplace the way Hearne and Scully did. I've done all sorts of lists on the site, and I'll be doing more as the summer goes on. But I started giving it some thought and asked myself, what are some of the two great announcers who have worked together at the same time. And I thought of Harry Callis in Philadelphia who did the Phillies for so many years, and the great Merrill Reeth who does the Eagles, and they overlap of thirty some odd years. And I went back to Marty Luckman and Mel Allen in New York and so on and so forth, and then I thought of Buffalo, and the first name that always comes to mind when I think of Buffalo sports announcers, believe it or not, is the name Bill Maser, who was an absolute legend in Buffalo until we left New York in nineteen sixty four. And in fact, it was Maser who told me that Miller is just a great, great broadcaster. And it was Bill who who really told me about him and started listening to him, and I thought a him, and of course Rick Jennerette and all the years that they've worked in the same market. There are no other pro teams. Yeah, there's a minor league baseball team, but no major league team, and at this point no NBA team, So guys like Miller and Jennarette all those years in the same market. When you think of play by play over the course of years, and I know you do the bills now, but through all those years, you think of those two names, Miller and Jennerette. So they're on the list and they're up there. They're fourth, I think, right, that's right they are. You've got Scully and Hearne at one, and then Callis and Reese and two, Marty Glickman and mill Allen at three, and then you've got Jannerette and you've got Miller. Yeah, David talked to us a little bit about what you're chitteria for. Choosing these guys was like the combination they had to have in the same market at the same time. And also one of the things that in my experience here in Buffalo with Van Miller and Rick Gennerette is they are beloved by the fans who love those teams, and they're almost part of the team. So they kind of gained this at least local notoriety that maybe somebody from Pittsburgh wouldn't even know the play by play guys from Buffalo, but the fans couldn't live without them, and that was also one of your criteria. And also they were also exclusive to those teams, And so I'm surprised that you actually had so many groups of guys to even choose from. You would think, you know, with a particularly in the climate we live in now, the broadcast injuries, there's so much turnover that it's hard to find teams and cities that have had the luxury of having two guys they could depend on season after season. Well, that's just one thing that I'll make a point of it. And I said that I loved, loved, loved Marv Albert doing Knicks and Rangers, but at one point it became a joke because Marv doing the Rangers missed more games than he did. So what I meant there was you must be committed to the team. Hearned at three thousand and three hundred straight games through bad illness and weather delays and whatever, but he'd be at that broadcast table come hell or high water and Scully. Yeah, he did miss some games through his years as a great baseball announcer, but sixty seven years, his body of work tells the story. So that's what I mean by commitments, And in fact, I got some complaints. I had thirteen, a Baker's dozen, that was my list, but somebody said that I omitted in Atlanta Skip Carrie, who did the Atlanta Braves, and Larry Munson, who's a legend, and George Asked, the late voice of the Georgia Bulldogs. So there are a punch, believe me. And there are people who felt that I might have omitted them, and perhaps and other markets. So there are others. So it's not necessarily the best announcer. It's the two at the same time. Where if you woke someone up out of a deep sleep at three in the morning and ask them back ten fifteen years ago, who are the announcers for these two teams? They would tell you immediately. We're with our guest. David Halberstam was written a post for Sports Broadcast Journal the most cherished all time play same market play by play pairs. He's got Van Miller of the Bills and Rick Jenneret of the Sabers as same time play back play announcers. I want to let some of our listeners hear a little bit about from these two. I know they're familiar voices, clearly, but let's just listen to a call from Van Miller. This is a famous Bills game season open in nineteen

eighty nine in Miami, and Jim Kelly takes matters into his own hand. I was there in the booth with Van when this is what it sounded like, Kelly, last play of the game down, David. There's you know, it's just a great simple call, right. There's no poetry really involved there, but a great simple painting of the word picture by the great Van Miller. There, yes, absolutely, and today doing a game on radio and painting the picture. Being a wordsmith, it's an art that that I'm afraid is being lost. Miller had it without a doubt. I had a great command of the language. Um, he paused properly. He built the drama and you can just hear it from the inflection in his voice. Um. What I have. One thing that I've always thought of when I think of Van Miller is there are broadcasts that you look back at, and I'm sure you've heard Sandy Colfax's Perfect Game done by Vince Scully. Then I would tell any budding announcer to memorize it was that good. I poked the unfortunate Scott nor Would miss in that category. I've heard the complete call that was done by Miller, and the way he describes and paints the picture of nor Would getting ready and setting and pantomiming that chick. It was just beautiful. I mean, I'm afraid you know, it didn't work out for the Bills that day, but his call of it was magnificent and I would tell anybudding broadcaster to listen to it. Miller was an standing announcer. Yeah, I appreciate that. It's interesting too because the games were talking about with Van Miller and I was actually on the field for a couple of them, or most of them, and it was And You're right, not all of them are great, but the calls can be great and have to be great, even if if the announcers disappointed. Most of the calls that people remember have to do with great moments for their team, not not Super Bowl missus or or like that. And me as a Buffalo guy, now, the things I'm a fan of now are the Sabers and Rick Jinnerette being one of the all time great hockey announcers. I remember, and this is a great moment that I've heard over and over again I do not remember the game. I was not listening to alive. I only even heard the highlight of it. And and for people in Buffalo, a guy who's actually still calling the game now and again, Rick Jinnerette um calling a goal on the may Day goal. As let's listen to that right now. If we bring up the Rick Jinnarette's call of the Brad may goal, hopping it up to laugh on Kay and he gets tripped up, gets it to me and over the line past me, calling goal. Yeah, that was That was one of the all time great calls off the spur of the moment he and I think you appreciate it. The crescendo in his voice has always been his signature when he rises up for the goal call, and how it started out so low, just at the blue line, and by the time a second and a half later he's at the top of his lungs calling, you know, one of the iconic calls in Buffalo history. Oh that a doubt. And I'm afraid with hockey because unfortunately on radio, the business model today makes it very difficult for radio hockey to be profitable. And we're seeing a situation in Charlotte where they're going to begin to simulcast the games and get rid of a real hockey legend, Chuck Cayton. But Jennarette is magnificent, and I think that Cole tells it all, as you pointed out, Steve, because he used his voice inflections perfectly to build a drama and really put his signature, his stamp on what that goal in With David Halberstam, He's written a post for Sports Business Journal, the most cherished all time same market play by pay pairs in a in a particular market. You know, Steve is right. I believe David that it has something to do with the call, you know, the play that takes place, the caller is remembered, I think, and I'm curious what you think about this. I think it may have also something to do with the market itself. I think some markets, the play by play announcers are valued more, are considered, uh, you know, higher than in other markets. You know, and you have the experience here in Buffalo. I think it's important. I've noticed it's important to Buffalo Bills fans who's calling the game on the radio. I don't know if that's the case in many NFL markets. What do you think. I agree. It's become a very commoditized industry, announcing, play by play, announcing. There are so many announcers today. I put games on and I'm in the business. Whether it's a college basketball game or a hockey game, or even a baseball game, I don't even know who in the world is announcing, and sometimes I don't really care. You're watching the game. And it's become commoditized because they teach it in a way where you follow a certain script, and there are a lot of good announcers, but distinguishing one from the other becomes very difficult. So over a course of time, where you had Miller and you had Rick doing the games, people knew exactly who they are, who they were, and what they sound like. And by now you've done the games, Murph for a very long time, and they're becoming very comfortable with you. You stay anywhere long enough, if you're the best or the worst, it doesn't really matter. They love you. And it's just the way it is. It's like putting It's like putting on a comfortable pair of shoes. And you, I've listened to you, Murph. I listened to all the guys and you do a great job. Thanks. I'm sure it was tough for you following a legend like Miller doing the games. But you see what happens over a course of time. Slowly they forget about Miller and they remember Murphy, and that's just the way of the world. And they forgot about mel Allen. And now you know, they've got other guys. They had Rasuto and now they have John Stirling, and they all sort of become very popular during the course of time that they do it. But that course at time, the time and grade, as they call it, the military has got to be there. So if you do it long enough, you'll be loved equally as your predecessor. That's just the way of the world. Yeah, and I have to

say, people get used to you, David. I've benefited enormously from working with them for sixteen seventeen years, so that worked in my I I want to ask you about a couple of others that at number eight on your list of all times same market played by play pairs. You've got Detroit Ernie Harwell, a voice of the Tigers for decades, and I confess I've never heard of this name. Bob Euffer does who did Michigan football back then. Tell us about those two in particular. I love Ernie Harwell. I loved him so much as a broadcaster. Tell me where you rank him and how you consider him well. I probably agree with Kurt Smith, who wrote the book Voices the Game, ranking these announcers, and he put Harwell as three behind Scully in mel Allen. Harwell was that good. He can really paint the picture, He can turn a word. He put the listener right behind home play. He was as good as they come, and he had a soft way of speaking that people related to him. He was sort of your friend at the game. And he did it for so long, and he was so committed to it. He wrote so many books. He was almost interchangeable with the name Tigers after all those years. So he was loved. And it didn't matter if it was bad times a good times, or there were riots in the city of Detroit or a bad economy. Baseball season rolled around and they heard him for the first time in March, broadcasting from Florida, and they began to believe that that fall will now roll in, and the winter will come to an end, and we'll hear Earlie and the Tigers will be playing and we'll be away from our problems. So that's what made Earnie Now Bob Euffer, You've got to go back to that period of time in the seventies in the sixties when Michigan was so dominant. The Lions were awful, been you know, for years, and you had the Pistons at the time, they were not very good. Yes, he had the Red Wings. But Euffer was not a trained broadcaster. He didn't go to school like or At. He was a fan. He ran track at Michigan, sold insurance to put the meals on his table. But what he really did and loved was doing those Michigan football games and his screen again Michigan, and he was so synonymous with the Wolverines program that in those years it was twenty Simon years at Harwell and Ufur worked at the same time. Those were probably the two best play by play guys then, and that's the way I ranked them. I've never where Michigan come from, Bob Eufur. I never knew that. Yeah, I know, Bob, yeah, yeah, yeah, he did it, you know, all those years that they were playing and they were so good. That's good. One of the now now I don't want to jump in, but I do want to tell you and I when we spoke earlier, UM a great story about Van Miller. If you go ahead, love to hear this. Okay, Well, I did the Heat Games on radio for six years, and the color Man on TV I worked alone on radio. But the color man on TV is a name certainly not strange to those in Buffalo, those of age. Jack Ramsey Jack Cut coached the old Buffalo Braves, and he traveled with Van Miller and he back then they didn't travel on charters, so they would travel commercially. And he said that Miller was a prankster. And I didn't know that. I never really I met Dan maybe once, and he said, one day they're on a commercial flight. Plane lands and now they're taxiing. They arrived at the gate and now they go to the ben pull whatever overhead luggage they may have had, and they're standing waiting for the door to open up, and Miller's they're right in front of Ramsey in the aisle and Miller there's he's got a good looking woman right in front of him. And Van says to this perfectly strange woman to him or a stranger to him. He says to her, man, do you know that you're wearing a pair of shoes that don't match? And the woman just totally, you know, is flushed with with um, being so embarrassed. But what he just said, and she looks down, she's like frightened, and then he sees she sees that he pulled on her, and they all started laughing, and the whole plate started laughing. But I didn't know Miller that way, but Murphy probably did. Yeah, he had the famous trick, you know, hey, why are you only wearing one earring? And then you'd reach her, you know, the one thing. Then did very funny, a lot of pranks, but he did him over and over and over. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. If you if you've heard one, you've heard a million of him. And it was one of the things that he did so well. Was called great great games, and you're right. It was historic game here in Buffalo, the greatest comeback of all time. At the end of the game, the Buffalo Bills had come back from thirty five to three down. Steve Christie lined up to kick the game winning field goal, and this is what it sounded like when legendary broadcaster, and Van Miller called it bis can win it. Here White puts it down, the kick is on the way, great finish for that game, that overtime victory, and David part of it too. And not to minimize any of the work done by any of the people on your list, the great cherished all time, same market played by play pairs. But you need good games, you need drama in order to have memorable good broadcasts, don't you. I think so with maybe one exception and baseball, because there are guys in LA who route when Scully was doing the games for a blowout because they knew that then would regale his audience stories. Now football, you know, when they were down by all those points and they made their comeback at the very beginning of it, people were I'm sure tuning out or their minds would begin wandering. But today, you know, radio becomes very, very difficult because if you're driving in your car, your mind is wandering or you've got some of your mind on the road and the most important thing to do all the time. And I've learned this the hard way, and I've talked to many broadcasters. Marty Glickman told me this when he did the giants and chats all the years. Always gave the time remaining, the score and who has the ball. If you do that and you do it often enough, no

one will complain. He told me that that's great. Hey, David, this is great work. We thank you very much spending a few minutes with us this summer afternoon to talk about it. Hey, good luck to both of you. Enjoy the football season. It's swatting less than a month off. It's coming up. Thanks David. David Halberstan, former radio play by play voice of the NBA Miami Heat, a radio executive at Westwood One, author of the book Sports on New York Radio, a play by play History, and has written this post for Sports Broadcast Journal, the most cherished all times same market play by play pairs and Buffalo's Van Miller and Rick Jennerette ranking fourth. It's great, it's it's a you gotta read this if you get a chance. The one thing I would say, and this is me being an old guy here Steve, ted Darling and Jenner, it would tell you this too. Ted Darling was an outstanding Sabers player and one of the best hockey play by play men around, and he coincided with Van two. So although Rick has you know, Ted had fifteen, I want to say, almost twenty years of Sabers play by play and Rick has covered since then. But I hate, I don't like to see Ted Darling kind of you know, go by the boards there. He was part of that, coinciding with with ten on Sabers Hockey and Van on the Bills Radio those that was an outstanding group. And I'll tell you what it's it's telling as well, and I think smartly most of these franchise, and I hope the Bills and certainly hope what they do with you, and they the Sabers as well. When you get a guy you I love, they stick with them because you've got a whole generation of people who you need to grow up and get to know them. And it makes you fond more fond of the franchise when you've got a voice you trust and love giving you the games. It's just I think it's a great broadcast, um great broadcast rule that I think a lot of clubs adhere to. When you get your guy, keep him. And I think you know you going into what your fifteenth, fifteenth year doing it? You know, I hope you get another thirty, um, because that's you know, you now think about it, because all the kids that are twenty years old, now you're the only voice they know. And that's the way it should be, and and I hope it stays that way. And all these markets, you've got these guys that kind of get these things because they're they're coveted jobs, and uh and they should be because they're they're worth doing, they're important to the fan base. And um, it's a lot of fun. I mean, god, so much, so much fun. Can't even tell you how much what it is. Can't wait August ninth, we got a preseason game. You're are you working that game? Yea, yah, I'm doing the TV game and ninth preseason. I think it's gonna be Andrew Catalan, who's gonna be doing it with me, the guy who didn't who's been doing it. Mike partnered with CBS for a couple of years, um, because he couldn't ever do the first preseason game because the PGA was on and he was doing some internet work for CBS doing that, you know, all the ancilliary platforms they have, he did some of that. But now that's been moved, and they revamped the PGA schedule so that the major's fall once a month throughout the summer. Now he's gonna be with us, excellent, so it'll be done. It'll be good, all right. We think our guests David Halberstam, who wrote that piece and spent a lot of time with us here today he joined us on the subway Fresh Stank, Hotline, Subway Eat Fresh, back up more in a moment, One Bills Live from One Bill's Drive and this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to One Bill's Live here until three o'clock today. Coming up right around two o'clock, we're gonna be live with Andrew Brandt, who covers the business of the NFL for a variety of different platforms. He'll have thoughts on, well, Sehwan McCoy's status, what the Bills do from here, what the NFL does from here. I don't think he has any particular insight into the particulars of the deal of what went on down there in the outside Atlanta, but at least i'll give us an idea of you know, what the landscape looks like. That's coming up at two o'clock Andrew Brandt NFL News today. Yes, there was the there is. We assume it's still going on, right the I want to say expansion draft at a SUN experience, the supplemental DRAF supplemental Draft, thank you and the NFL reports said cornerback Sam Beale of Western Michigan. Regard it as the top available player the five available today has been selected in the third round by the New York Giants. Sam Bill goes to the New York Giants react, Steve, No, you have no reaction. He sounds sounds like the best player available, right, Yeah, he wasn't third round of the Giants. Is that means he was the second player of the third round because the Giants were number two in this last year's draft, that's the order that they use in The Giants were the highest grow Adam Schefter says Giants had the third pick in the third round because round it's waited and they used it on Sam Bill. There you have it, Okay, So that's interesting. But you know, the Giants are starting to put together a roster. We'll see if it if it takes place, but you know, obviously a third nobody thought other than the Giants that he was worth a third rounder, or if they did, they were in the you know, higher than the third pick of the third round. So um. Our Twitter poll today deals with the Bills on defense. We want to talk to you about that. Phone lines open eight oh three h five toll free one eight eight eight by fifty two five fifty, or you can do it on twitter. Our Twitter poll which Bill's defensive player will make the Pro Bowl in two eighteen this upcoming season. We've we put a few suggestions out there. You don't have to stick with them. Overwhelmingly, seventy two percent of you think that it will be Tradevious White in the Pro Bowl this year. Seventeen percent say Micah Hyde, eight percent say Jordan Poyer, three percent have somebody else a minor? You have some comments from Twitter set, Yeah. Postman Pilot says he

likes to dig deep. Edmonds is an easy answer as well as those three guys. But first comes to my mind that he'd love to see take a big step would be Matt Milano with a new front seven. He can see a guy like him taking full advantage. I like a lot of what we've seen from him. And when you're going that deep, you're hoping a lot of guys play well if Matt Melana's going to the Pro Bowl. Also from Alec Demski, Hey, guys, what do you think of Star Lotulele? Former player under McDermott. You could see he could have a solid impact on the D line and as a and the D line has a lot of potential this year. So a couple of people going off the board with Matt Milano and Star Lotulele and loto Lelee, you can see he's a He's a big, strong, dominant defensive lineman. He's gonna be playing with a deep group up there are a deeper group than they the Bills have seen in recent years, and he's had some experience in this defense, so you should you would think he could plug right in, know what's going on, and have a pretty good season. On the tweet sheet from Aaron Yance, he says, I'm going with Micah Hyde as a defensive player making the Pro Bowl. Why, he says, simply because he has He is the highest rated Bill on Madden nineteen. That's one way to look at it. I guess they do their homework at Madden. Yeah, yeah, they do their homework. I don't know if I would go with that. Let's take a few phone calls here, Noel from Phoenix. No, I'll go ahead, and you're on the air with us. Yes, I just want to say it could be one of those years like nineteen ninety eight where AJ mccaron starts and Josh Allen takes over. It takes the bill to the Promised Land. What do you think of that one right in mind? Yeah, I mean think about that. That was the year. Ninety eight was the year of fluty flute job Rob Johnson, and and I said this, you think back, and it's funny where you remember about those things. And no, that's a good call. You're funny where you remember. I remember being in the booth at a different game and they showed the playoff brackets come out, and this when Wade Phillips was coaching the Buffalo Bills and they were headed the playoffs and they were gonna play the Tennessee Titans in the wild card round. And I on the air of a different game. I circled the Buffalo Tennessee game and the wild card with all those teams, you know, the New Englands and the Pittsburgh and all that, we're up above them. And I said, the winner of that game is going to the Super Bowl in the AF and I was. I was dead on and if and if it wasn't for home Run Throwback, that would have been the Bills in that Super Bowl. Bills were going great on defense, they were crushing it and they were really playing well on both sides of the ball. Really saw it had a lot of really good they had great team speed that had had everything. You know, Eric Moles was in his prime. You had some guys and you know, then the home run Throwback comes back and it was the Tennessee Titans that went to twenty Super Bowl against

the Saint Louis Ramshap How do you think we should commemorate the anniversary of home Run Throwback this year? No, we should do. Let's get to Phil Luckett on the show, right, Phil, twenty years later, can you explain what you saw, what you thought you saw, what you saw on the replay? What are you explaining that for us? I'll tell you this is and I've said this a couple of times privately. That was the first year I was retired. And when I retired, Maritoy, I was done, right, Yeah, I was. I was ready to be done. And I went through a whole season in the broadcast booth for CBS, and I was watching at home with the family when the home run throwback occurred. And that is the only time in my entire life after I retired or that I thought, wow, you know what, I might have made a difference. Really, yeah, I guess so, okay covered because in my mind I was ahead of that play. I thought, don't don't chase the fat guy with the ball. He's gonna throw it to somebody who's fast. You know. I was kind of thinking out ahead of it because that's you know, And that's the only time I thought I wish I would have been there, you know you and I wish I would have been there. But that's the only time. It was others and the same thing that but yeah, that I was just like every other every other fan. Then I was like, seriously, uh, twenty years, let's go to Curtis and Niagara falls on the line with us. Hello, Curtis, go ahead, what's come on, guys? How you doing today? Okay? Good? I love you guys. So I just want you guys know that you too, thinking I just some timing on the on the Lesha McCoy thing, which is unfortunate. But like I was telling the producer, the guy who answer phone, I said, the only thing that makes me go about this whole thing is the pile on effect from the girl. You know, it was the before and after pictures, then it was the course of the assault itself. Then oh he's been doing steroids this, he beat his child, he beat the dog. It's like she's snatching headlines from previous uh NFL incidents to pile on. And that just I mean, if you feel that you were wrong, you don't need to do the piling on. That's that that comes up with me about this. Yeah, and I and I get it. Curse. It's an interesting take because you're right. But um, you got to go no too that when you when you saw that post that came out that really what what landed this thing in the headlines? Um, there was a lot of anger there. So there's a lot of frustration over somebody whose friend had just had been the victim of a heinous crime. Um, and she was lashing out at everybody. Now she probably feels justified in her in her accusations and her and her allegations. Um, no question where you know everybody does in that momentum. And uh, but she has taken that she took that Instagram post down, but has stood by it privately, So she's I don't know, but there's a lot of emotion. Yeah, there's a lot of emotion there. And you're right. I mean there's a lot of people are analyzing this from their own point

of view. And Curtis, you did the same thing, just like all of us did. The problem is, you know, there are always questions because we just don't know the the authorities don't know. There's been no arrest, there's been no charges filed. We don't even know what the police report of the hospital report says at this point. We do have the police being summoned there at three twenty three am yesterday morning, and that for a home invasion, and that is where we stand. And all the stuff that came out after it, it was packed with emotion as you would you would expect for a crime that with the horrific result that this one had, and all the things that have happened previous to the crime in the relationship that have come out. Lots of stuff flying around, and he's you're right, we all question everything these days because we've seen so much and heard so much, so until we have answered, I'm just holding my questions inside until I have more information so that answers the questions before I ask them. I mean, that's that's kind of where I sit right now. I'm just there's all kinds of speculation flying around. We've even had a couple of callers on the show with wild speculation, and there are questions that need to be answered. Curtis, you just brought a couple of them up too. But the simple fact of the matter is, and the sad part of it, we may never know now. I mean, who knows. There's a call from Gary in Lancaster. Hello, Gary, go ahead, good, how are you? I'm sure you remember this name when I bring it up. One of the best announcers I even listened to and when I was growing up was man named stand Baron. Oh Yeah, I worked with Stan. I know Stan. He was a friend. Took over for Stan right up, I did, and I worked with him. I'd do news on his uh free form sports show on weeknights at w b N Radio. Yeah play, you know. I used to listen to him back when the Old Bisons had played in the Hockey League, and remember listening to an overtime game where the game got tied up in the last seconds of the game and one the Bison's won and overtime, and it was really interesting. I thought you were going to a story which I know, and we talked about a lot. Thanks for you called Gary. Stan Barron did Bison's hockey, HL hockey, did Bison baseball, and did Bills football for a long time. Doing a hockey game once and I'm I'm I'm certain this is true. And it got going back and forth at the old Auditorium, Oral Auditorium, back and forth, and I thought Gary was going to go there with this. He got so excited. Guy took a shot and he goes. Stan said, oh, he hit the bleeping goalpost. Yeah, yeah, he dropped an explative in there. He did the explotive that you don't want to drop. He apparently dropped he hit the goal post. I'm told that's absolutely in a basketball game or hockey hockey game. Yeah, he hit the post. And he called the bleeping goal the bleeping goal post. See, I gotta tell you, and I got I got to Buffalo nineteen eighty six, November of eighty six and so I don't know who

Stan Baron was. I never heard him call a game or any of that. And because the Bisons were the hockey team was gone by that time, I was yeah, so um, yeah, that's news to me. I've never heard. I'm the wrong. I wasn't a local guy yet, didn't grow up here. Yeah he was. He was unique. I worked with the stant one more. He would come in. He had he wrote, you know, it was a different era. He wrote a one or two minute radio commentary every day for a noontime show and it would be the first thing he come in to work at three. He was on the ear till eleven, you know, sixty seven to eleven, and he come in. He had to have an idea. It was a commentary, right, editorial. My best days and I'd be working there in the news room. Is when Stan was tapped out for ideas and he said, John, I need an idea. And I had like a list of three on my folder on my desk. Okay, Stan, how about little three basketball? Okay Stan, how about the Bills? Need to do this? And when he asked me for an idea and use it, I was like a twenty three year old. I was this is the best Stan baron my idea great man. Look, I had great mentors, Stan and Van and so many people that I worked with and around. And the thing about it too, You've been a Buffalo. You grew up in Lockport. I mean you're a Buffalo guy. Yeah, and you that's I think that how much? Tell me how much has that helped you get a feel for the fan base, for the teams, for the franchises, for the depth of knowledge you have to have about their history. You can throw that in everyone's name. It's almost an unfair advantage over people who come here from out of town. But you're gonna get a guy stuff. I've been there for stuff. Yeah, you think about you mean, you get some you know, because when these jobs come up, I mean, you know, everybody wants to be on a radio for a Major league or NFL football team, or baseball team or hockey team. They want to be that guy because it's you know, and to have a guy like you, who you know fan was a Dunkirk guy. Yeah, you're a Lockpoort guy. And you've got these guys that grew up with the teams and stuff. I think it's hugely important. It's been a huge ben And I think that's a maybe more so than the other market, or like other markets, a size of buffalo. That's I think that's a prerequisite. Yeah, you need a guy, as we said, As I said to David Halberstam, it's a lot about these announcers who are revered, cherished. As he put it, it's a lot about the market, almost more so than the guys themselves. Like what do you want from your play by play announcer? What do you expect? You know? Plus plus it's the fact that you need to do it. You need to be the guy for a while. You need a generation of fans to know your voice and appreciate it. And and and I don't want to say that, but I don't know if I agree with Dave halbert Stamp about that. He said, it doesn't matter how good you are, you just got to be the same guy all the time. And I don't. I don't buy that. I've had worked with too many good announcers and with some guys who struggle. Yeah, and you you don't. Nobody wants to listen to a guy who is doesn't make him comfortable. Yeah, you know, all right. True. We're gonna take a break where you got more talk about well. Sean McCoy coming up at the top of the hour two o'clock. Andrew Brandt a sports business expert from a variety of platforms. He is the director of the More Ads Center for a Sports Law in Villanova University. He's going to join us at two. We'll talk about McCoy. We'll talk about some other issues as well. That's coming up at two. We've got a lot more to come. One Bills Live from One Bill's Drive and this is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to the show. We call it One Bills Live. Where you are Live, which is a good thing where at One Bill's Drive over a new air of field. It looks like they continue to work on the ribbon scoreboard, so those look like they're gonna be bigger, be better. NFL notes today, Sam Beale consider the top talent in this year's Supplemental Draft third round, picked third selection in the third round by the New York Giants. The Western Michigan cornerback Albert Breer reports that Bial is the first player selected in the Supplemental Draft in three years, first to go in the first three rounds since Josh Gordon went in the second in twenty twelve, so it's unusual. Sounds like a pretty good player, like a long rangey guy right six one, not particularly heavy questions about his physicality and run supportability. But what the heck the Giants are? I will give the Giants credit under Dave Gentleman, and I know he's you know, under the weather these days. The Giants have been extremely aggressive this offseason, and the Giants are serious about I think winning now, and you know what's Steve, I would not overlook the New York Giants as a potential challenger for the NFC East title. I think they I think ELI still has something left in the tank, and I think they're going to build the team to be to the Eagles, obviously, and I could see that. Yeah, I don't think Dallas is going to be formidable. I don't. I don't think the Redskins are gonna be formidable. So if if you're looking for somebody to challenge the Eagles, I think the Giants winning that challenger rolled by default. But I don't think anybody's gonna touch the Eagles, so particularly if Wentz comes in Week one and plays like he did at the end of the last season, or up to Week thirteen of the last season. So yeah, I think the Eagles are gonna be there for a while. But we'll see, We'll see the guys back in the control room. We're talking talking up the Giants too. You're not a fan, no, I'm may you know they'll be all right. I don't you know. They're not gonna be I don't think they'll be picking number two in the draft, that's for sure. But I don't think they're gonna be pushing to win that division. I really don't, you know. I mean, I just don't. Speaking of Eli, of course, you know the story right the old four draft, the quarterbacks score early. Eli drafted by the

charts, never signed, eventually wound up with the Giants. It all worked out. Philip Rivers goes to the uh the then San Diego Chargers. But Eli still has the jersey from the two thousand and four NFL Draft, still has it, the one that they gave him when he went up on stage, still owns it. I don't blame him. That's a collective item, right are you listen that there's a little story that went along with it, and he said, yeah, I've still got it. It was laying around my house and it was his mom and dad's house at Archie and Olivia's house, and his mom was like, yeah, he didn't need this anymore, right because he's you know, here's a guy won two super bowls with his team at the jime. Why does he need to charge your jersey. That's a mom, right, I mean. And and so she's gonna like, you know, give it away, put it out the grow, you know, get rid of it. And Archie he said, Eli said, oh, my dad kind of stepped in and kind of wised up, and he said, you know, he will keep hang on to he might save that for a rainy day, you know stuff. And sure enough, I mean, he got it. That's Can you imagine just giving that away? That's like, that's like for some people, that's the holy grail of memorabilia. That's one of those things that might have been kind of pieces of history for pro football. Do you imagine having Eli Manning's charger jersey that he got held up as the number one overall pick and was immediately traded to the Giants, who were who he won two super bowls with. That's a collector's item. You want to hang on to that, right, Hey, not only that he got traded for Philip Rivers. Who's going to the Hall of Fame? Two? Right, there's an interesting tea. We were talking with David Halberstam earlier today about home run throwback or no, I don't know how we got talking about it. You got talking about how it was the time when you thought maybe you shouldn't you wish you would have played. Listen to this tweet and this is I think says a lot about Bills fans. This is Greg Turlone tweets, and and it's almost twenty years, as we said, since the home run throwback. Greg turloone tweets and for me, home run throwback is one of the first examples of nearly twenty years of exponentially worse over analyzation via replay. Forget ball trajectory, use your head, and there's no way a guy in the twenty fourth throws a lateral to a guy in the twenty six. Greg Torlo tweets said, and he's right, you don't need to look at it over and over and over again on replay. It was illegal. It was an illegal forward pass. There's no question about that, folks. I have a smile on my face because it's twenty years ago, and but there was a time when I was angry about that. It was an illegal forward pass. Clearly an illegal forward pass. Yes, Steve would have made a difference if he was playing, but he was not playing that day. But it's a it's a bad a lot of things easy to say twenty years later. Let me just tell you something. I remember thinking, listen, it's not where Dyson caught the ball, it's

where the ball was when he reached back to grab it. That's all I can say. Illegal forward pass. That was should have been the call that day. I admit I saw it. I saw it on the day it happened and thought they don't even need to chase him because that was a forward pass. I remember. I then, you know, when they started looking at it and I started seeing the replays, I was like, I don't know if they're going to be able to overturn it, and certainly they obviously a team goes to the Super Bowl because they didn't. I think this guy who tweeted us in Greg Torlone can can can help me in my push. He calls the home run throwback one of the first examples of twenty years of worse over analyzation on replay. Fall in line here, Greg, we're trying to get rid of replay. No more instant replay used in officiation. Hey, you're throwing around we pretty liberally, me and you and the mouse in your pocket. No more replay use in officiating football, Greg. It sounds like you're right on board with me there. I believe that, and I get ridiculed. Of course, on Twitter, we get ridiculed everything. But people say, oh, come on, Murph, get with the times. I am with the times. I've watched as much football those most people. Replay doesn't work, folks. It does not work. It creates as many problems as it solves. And as Greg Torlan points out, we saw it even twenty years ago for a home run throwback. The replay was did not help officiate that play and actually may have contributed to the wrong call. You're just being silent over there. I am you can't. I'm ridiculous, But I'm telling ridiculous to think that you would go back to a situation that was working better before you changed it. I don't believe it was working better. And number two is I don't think you can. I'm not you know it's in It's like in the in the Disney movie. No matter how the wind howls, the mountain's not gonna bow. It's you can't put that genie back in the bottle. What movie was that? That was in Mulan. I didn't see it, So back in the bottle. You're still gonna have replay. You can still look at it, debate it, talk about it, just don't use it to make calls. Well, here's the thing, Murph. Yeah, you're gonna have You're gonna go back and look at it, and then you're gonna know you could have fixed it, and you can't. Yeah, you could have fixed it, and now you don't replay. In fact, No, here's the thing. Here's the difference, Murph. You're trying to get it right and replay. Agreed, even though they screwed it up. But right right, okay, But listen then with if you don't get repay play out of it, you're not trying to get it right. Yeah. Now we're not trying to get it right because you you're not giving yourself the chance to look at it and say, oh, my gosh, look at that. The guy did bobble it. The ball did come out when he hit the ground. The ball was loose before his hand came forward in the pocket. It was a fumble. It was not a you know, it wasn't an incomplete fact. Now you're you're giving up. You're right to get it right. Well, if you really subscribe to that theory, you would use replay for holding calls on all the other penalties where it's not applicable. Now, why not use it for everything? Then I gotta I gotta way get around that. Listen and we'll get into this too. I you know, Luke, my son plays in Canada. They can challenge anything. Yeah, why not use it like that? In fact, it helped the tie Cats last week when actually it didn't help them. But they got into a spot last week where they gave a big, big plan. They said, wait a minute, we think there was illegal contact on one and you got to pick the guy. Say on this guy right here, there was illegal You can't just throw it and say I think there was a penalty someplace. Look for it. You know there's none of that. But you say, listen on our number, on our number sixteen there was a penalty. We want you to look at it, and they'll go back and look at it, and they and if you got a big play taken away, you could get it back, or vice versa. If that you gave up a big play defensively, you can say, hey, their guy was offside, or there was an illegal formation or what have you. Their guy pushed off. They go back and look at it and say, you're right, they and the big play comes off the board. So you can do that too, have it, he can widen it. Let these coaches and their coaching staffs up in the booth look at it and pick where they want to have a challenge, you know, and you can give him one of those a half or one of those a game. Speaking of Luke, your son, Luke's going to be on the show with us tomorrow, Is that right? Yeah, he's coming on on one o'clock to talk about Tiecatt's football. Yeah. Johnny Manzel and more importantly the real quarterback. Yeah, Jeremiah Azzoli playing up there keeping Johnny Manzel on the bench. He's got a string of nine straight games where he's thrown for three hundred plus yards, tied a couple of really guys. Ken Austin was one of the quarterbacks he tyed and Warren Moon was the other, and I think there's another guy. There's like a tie for fourth and the next game, Jeremiah's only a chance to set a cflrcorways. That league has been in existence for over one hundred and twenty five years. It's been amazing to see the depth of history that he is Canadian football. He has and the quarterback that's keeping Johnny Manzielle on the bench is on the verge of breaking a record for three hundred yard games in a row. So, Luke Tasker tomorrow on the show, what do we say one o'clock tomorrow? Now, he said, you can come on. I asked him if he wanted to come in or he wants to do a phone or I haven't heard yet. Okay, I'm thinking he's gonna do it. Daddy coming up with my dad. Boys, got a good guest coming up next. We will dive into what we can about the LaShaun McCoy situation. Our guests is gonna be Andrew Brandt, sports business analysts from the Mora Ad Law Center Sports Law Center at Middle Ova University. Andrew Brant, saying by to join us when we return. One Bills Live from One

Bills Drive. This is Buffalo Bill's Radios Radio Network Stories update from One Bill's Drive. The details remained scarce on the Lashawn McCoy situation. The lawyer or McCoy's ex girlfriend, says the Bills running back orchestrated an attack that left her bloody amid attempts to get her to leave the suburban Atlanta mansion then came down in a letter issued by the lawyer last night. No police report yet. The Bills maintained that they have been in contact with McCoy and are monitoring the situation, and no other details available today. The NFL Supplemental Draft to taking place this afternoon. The Giants got the top pick in the draft, the top talent anyway. With their third pick in the third round. The Giants got former Western Michigan cornerback Sam Beale six foot one inches tall, ran a four four seven and the forty yard daster in the recent workout, and defensive back Adonis Alexander of Virginia Tech has been selected by Washington in the sixth round of the NFL Supplemental Track. The Baltimore Ravens are going to play in the Hall of Fame Game. They're also going to open the regular season against the Bills. And Ravens rookies reported a training camp today in Owings Mills, Maryland. They get an early week because of their participation in the Hall of Fame Game this year. John Harbaugh's players report earlier than most teams due to the Ravens participation in the Hall of Fame Game. Sabers An ounce today they've added Steve Smith to the club's coaching staff and the role as assistant coach. He is a nine year coaching veteran. Steve Smith joins the Sabers coaching staff. Roger Federer lost in a four hour, five set epic at Wimbledon today, fell to Kevin Anderson, and also today Anderson moves on to the play Novak Djokovic, who won his match today at Wimbledon. World Cup semifinal today with the semifinal England and Croatia in Moscow, and England leads it by a score of one. DA lunting is the game is just getting started, and that is the update from One Bill's Drive. John Murphy and Steve Tasker starting our third and final hour and joining us on the subway fresh Take Highline. Happy to have a free quin guests the acknowledged sports business expert about the NFL and others. He is a host of the Business of Sports podcast, director the more Ed Center for Sports Law at Villanova University. Andrew Brant on the line with us, Hi, Andrew, John Murphy, and Steve Tasker here, Thanks for joining us, Hey, John, busy as always in the NFL. It's interesting the anthem policy, just as brought out by the union with the grievance. It just reminds me of the conduct policy where the NFL ignored the union crafting its policy. They did it again, and here's what happens. The Union falls grievance and says they want in too. But it just shows you the lack of trust between the NFL and NFLPA. One of the things I saw in that statement and issued yesterday by the PA, though, and I don't know how much you make of this, Andrew, the Players Association says they will have

dialogue with the league, right, I mean that's Isn't that a positive sign they're going to talk about it anyway? Yeah? I guess, I mean it's too little, too late. It just seems like the policies crafted, I don't know what. Maybe they'll get some tweets on it, you know. I mean, the NFL is not going to give up much, if any thing. So it's just where was this when they were crafting it? And maybe they were just ignored And now they got around of filing something Andrews it posturing by the NFL to put so much on the play of the NFL Players Association so that in further negotiations a CBA comes to a close. There just one more chip on the table that they can give or take that they really don't care about. Yes, Steve, you know what I don't understand is we've got Demorris Smith and Roger Goodell, both extended now past the CBA dates twenty twenty one. Yet all we hear about is armageddon and strikes and lockouts. It's never gonna work, blah blah blah, will come on any moment of any day in the past few years, and going forward they can start negotiating. And this is where the lack of trust, the animosity between the two sides is not good for anyone because all they seem to do is talk through lawyers. They never talk. I would suggest Roger Goodeal and Demorris Smith with their wives, without their wives, have a beer, have breakfast, have lunch, just do not talk business because there's no relationship and that hurts everyone. I think I agree. Back in the day when Gene Upshaw was the head of the union in Paul Tagliboo, they had a weekly lunch or a regular lunch that they would sit down together and talk things over and really hash out some major issues literally over lunch. That is exactly what could have and should have happened with this anthem policy. Instead, what are we that was in May, We're two months past it and now we see a grievance. I mean, come on, it's like, let's you know. I know Demorris Smith campaigned against the buddy buddy that Jean and Paul had, but these are the kind of things where that really helps these greasing over these issues like this. It's always something right with these two. Andrew brand on the line of the say, Andrew, in your former role as a top club executive with the Green Bay Packers, I'm not sure if you ever had a situation similar to Lashawn McCoy's. But we're interested in your take on what the Bills was, should be now and what they should be looking at moving down the road here with still sketchy reports about what McCoy may or may not be involved in. Yeah, my point of contact always in the position of kind of VP of the Packers, whatever the Bills equivalent is. You have to point of contacts the agent. Agents kind of tell you what they hopefully have a good relationship. You can work through it. Whether a coach or a player personnel guy or a position coach gets in touch with the player, that tends to be the relationship there. But you want to get all the information you can, and Drew and LaShaun may not want to give

you all the information. So it is a bit tense, you know. Then you look down the road a potential discipline. Does it come from the Bills? Does it come from the league? Seems like these teams all defer to Roger right now that he's the one given out all the disciplines. So we'll see what happens. I think we're at this lull in the calendar, which is good and bad. It's good because nothing's really going on. It's bad because these things tend to drag without games or deadlines to make them happen. What do you think the process is going to be for the National Football League? What are they what do they you know? I mean, they've got to have a point of contact too, but they can go outside their player coach team relationship and they look at police reports and they look at they put one of their security guys on it, and I just think that they're going to have to consider everything. And one thing is back in two and fourteen when this conduct policy came out, we talked about exemplest paid leave for situations would seem to be exactly like this where they're trying to find out more doesn't look good. And we remember back in the day we had Peterson with his kid and Greg Hardy with his girlfriend. They were put on that list. This seems to be Taylor made for that. We haven't really seen that since then. I guess that's still an option. Right, Has this move forward? I would think so? And I wonder your thoughts on the timing of it. The bills, I would think probably would like to do something as soon as they can, But there also was a benefit to waiting. Right do you give it a little time to let the facts come out. Basually, they need facts right now. Yeah, they do, and we're seeing bits and pieces and social media, but we don't know. So they're like us. I would think maybe they know more than us, but they're trying to figure out everything and I think it's going to take time. And I you know, tough role for Drew because his loyalties to his client, so I don't know how much he's sharing with the bills and how that's working out. You're talking about Drew Rosenhouse, the representation for Lashawn McCoy, and you're right that the agent. Really you gotta if there's ever a time when you need an agent, this is it. Forget about contract negotiation, navigating these waters. You need somebody who is connected and has some experience with handling forget about the PR but also a law degree. I mean, you've got to have of somebody. These guys got to get that's everybody gets lawyered up, right exactly, and that's what's going to happen. I think Lashawn's not going to say much of anything and saying maybe true beyond that, Andrew, thanks for this, good to talk with you. We hope to talk again. Sometimes always pleasure guys talk soon. Andrew Brant MMQB Weekly Countess handles the business of the NFL the business of sports. He's director of the Moored Center for Sports Law at Villanova. He makes a good point, Steve about McCoy's situation. I believe in that, Uh, we're all eager, we're all, you know, breathless. What's next, what's next? What's it mean? What's it mean? And for the Bills, there's probably a benefit to just saying, let's let's wait a little bit. We don't have a game for seven or eight weeks, we don't have a we don't have camp for two and a half weeks. Let's chill. We'll see what's out there. Let's see what the the official facts are. I think that's a benefit for the Buffalo Bills now. It is because, you know, as Andrew Branch just said, it's kind of it's good that it happened now. Not good because it dominates the storyline of the season. But there are no games and no deadlines, and you do have a chance to sit back because there's nothing that you got to get ready for. You're just kind of waiting for marking time now for training camp to begin anyway, so at least they can take a deep breath and say, Okay, we don't need to rush to any kind of judgment or action for or against or you know, in anything. They can just sit and wait because they're not it's not costing them him anything to make a quick decision, so they can take all the time they want to hopefully get it exactly right. And his point about the I think it was called the Commissioners exempt list when it came out with Great Party. Yeah, it was the exempt list paid leave and they just set it for ins to just setting the guy aside, no consequences for him on the case in the case that he may be innocent, and no consequences for the team in the case that they may get caught by an act that was out of their control. Why not do that right exactly? I mean, if we get close to training camp and if still sorting through facts and sorting through deals on this, uh, you know, Greg Hardy went through it a couple of years ago, as uh Andrew Brant pointed out, it was a two I'm looking it up now. Hardy placed on the exempt Commissioners permission list. They called it now I've lost it here Um the exempt permission list and this the exemp list, the same one that Adrian Peterson went on same day. Yeah, do you remember this. It was the same day back in September of two thy fourteen. Um Hardy arrested on assault for a female. Peterson had the issue with his son. I think both cases at the time, if memory serves, were still in the fact finding stage, and that's why it made sense. I wonder, set at a side basis, was Ruben Foster ever on that list for what he don't know? I think we would know, as Andrew said, as I'm in you since two thy fourteen, and they can come up with whatever loophole they want to set the guy aside, his roster spot, his career, his you know, his presence. Just set it aside from the team from the league until the matters that are out of the league's purview gets settled, and then they can make a decision on whether it'll be allowed to re enter the league or be a part of it anymore. So. Obviously, Adrian Peterson was readmitted off the list and Greg Hardy was not. I mean he was, He's no longer in the league. So you're right. I mean, that's just one

more degree of difficulty you have just sorting through this whole situation is how the league and what their league handles it and what their options are. Hey, we didn't get a chance to ask Andrew Brant about this. He had another engagement and we apologize. We got to him late. We had too much fun at the last hour. I don't know what we're talking about. Replay. Oh yeah, I went off on my replay rant. One of the things though, has come out, and I will always take the aganty to talk bad about replay. One of the things that has come up, and I'd sure Andrew would have had some thoughts on this was Russell Ocome, who somehow got off on a Twitter rant about guaranteed contracts and the fact that they do not exist in the National Football League. What do you know about Stephen? What do you think? Well, I read I read his tweets and and his and his uh justification for him and there, and they make good sense when you sit and look at it objectively. Um NFL play, he'll say, and this we're we've got it up on MSG. I will never understand how billionaire team owners have convinced the public that the players who put their bodies on the line every week and make less than fifty percent of league revenues are the ungrateful ones. Well, nobody says they're ungrateful. Yeah, well yeah, I mean no, nobody says it because most of them are not ungrateful. They appreciate their they appreciate their careers, they appreciate the game, they appreciate the certainly appreciate the paycheck, no question about it. The thing that every player wants, and I you know, in to a certain extent, I've always sought after. This was security. When I sign a contract, I want to I want to get that money. You know, I want to make sure that my family is taken care of and all the people in my life or whoever they may be, that I'm gonna get it. And there's no guarantee of that. There's when you sign a contract you may get unless you get a signing bonus where all of it's up front, you don't You're not guaranteed anything, and you may not see a single dime or dollar of the contract you sign. And that's always been a point of contention for the players. Now for the owners, here's the can you can, and the risk for the owners is obvious if you sign a guy, for instance, let's take Drew Bledsoe. Robert Kraft sign Drew Bledsoe to one hundred and ten million dollar contract two days lay a. Two days later, he's out and injured, and Tom Brady takes over for him. You've got Tom Brady playing and Drew Bledsoe playing one hundred and ten million dollar contract and Drew Bledsoe can't even get on the field because he's physically injured. That is bad business and owners or that's that's there has been has always been their stance and their justification for doing it. Or you've got players like Marcel Darius who a lot of Bills fans in Buffalo thing picture this and you can exaggerate it if you want. This guy signs the deal he signed with the Buffalo Bills, a very lucrative deal, and the Bill subsequently have traded him away. But before that, a lot of Bills fans think once he signed that contract, he was never the same player. Exaggerate that a player who not only is he not the same player, he doesn't show up. He said, I don't want to play anymore. I don't want to risk my knees. I don't want it hurts me when I play. I don't. I'm just I'm done. I'm just gonna sit here on my couch and collect my one hundred million dollars. Thanks, and I'll cash the check when it gets here. That's exaggerating, obviously, you know a player to have a hard time doing it. But that's also the players the owner's stance. You've got guys who mail it in. Now when they sign a big contract, why would you want to guarantee everybody that and have everybody mail it in? And the league goes down the tubes as a result because nobody wants to play. I think Oh King's making some points though he is absolutely you know, And he tweets and writes, considering football's level, the brute, imminent, misspelled physicality, high turnover, as well as the short life cycle of its participants, it would seem to me that NFL players are in the most need of fully guaranteed contracts. He goes on to say that people argue that it's apples and orange is the NFL and other sports, And he said yes, and no league revenues are skyrocketing a monster media rights dealers on the horizon, the business of football will never be the same. He wants players to convince ownership to respect them as partners. And you know, he's talking about redoing the CBA and allow it. And And I think you could do it now, fully guaranteed salary. I don't think there's anything stopping it. But boy, I think owners would go to the wall to prevent that from happening. A fully guaranteed contract for anyone. I don't see that happening unless somebody. I don't either. And the economics, the economics of the of the NFL football are much different than they are for the NBA. Fewer players, fewer roster spots, eighty two game schedule versus sixteen game schedule. But by the same token, the NFL has grown to the point where the revenues dwarf any other pro sports league, and the players right now are making less than half the revenues. And if you want to be considered a full partner, you should make, you know, give them half. You know, that's only you're talking two percent of the growth, but it's still spread among twenty six guys plus the account. And here's some of the more knowledgeable points that Russell Okung made in his Twitter tirade on it. It was the tirade, yeah, is that the accounting techniques that they use to set the salary cap are antiquated and miscast in the present day economics of the National Football League. Those need to be reworked and re looked at so that the revenues that come to the NFL are are all split and handled in a uniform and modern way to set the salary cap. So the salary cap should be different now in Okung's reason, and it's it's really it's really reason quite well, there's no question that you

can look at the dead money that's that's lost on the revenues, and what happens is if a team has a lot of dead money on their cap, the revenues are still there. They just don't have anybody to pay the money. They're not paying the money to anybody's dead. You're not allowed to pay the players that money, and and that O Kunk says that money should still go to the players who are in the league. It was ten percent of the overall cap of five points something billion, the cap number this year for all thirty two teams, so that money that is dead should still go to the players that are actually playing, and that's what the players haven't made. I can see a revision and maybe an I think they can three or four years away. Yeah, I think I think they should start on that right now. And I don't think you need to go guaranteed money, but certainly the dead money that's in the cap space should still go to the pool of players that are played the game. This goes to the point you just made though with Andrew Brant. The relations between the league and the players Association are so streamed and so you know, fouled up. You can't imagine they would ever sit down and say, hey, let's get a jump, maybe we should redo this. And I'm telling you, right, I think you can't agree about Anthles. You can't agree about it. It's an absolute mistake. And I think one of the things that down deep. Maurice Smith, the head of the Players Union, has done some really good things and he has looked out for the players in a lot of ways. And I've never met him, so I don't know, but I think he did make a mistake when he came in. And I know, you gotta do what you gotta do to get elected. We've seen that enough times. But I think it is a mistake for him to go on on the platform with the players Union to say, listen, I won't be buddy buddy with the commissioner, whoever it is. Listen, a lot of great things, groundbreaking deals were cut over the lunch between the commissioner and the head of the union. It is not that to me, it is not that difficult to sit down and have lunch with the guy and talk to him, because I think that's how things get done. And I think if you're talking through litigation, I think it takes an infinite number amount of time longer to get things well. I mean, there's incentive to make it, incentive to make it to drag it out right the feed right, I think. I think when the commissioner and the head of the union can sit down and have lunch and talk things over as partners rather than adversaries, I think things will get done. I think that's the way it should be. And Demouri Smith kind of sabotaged his ability to do that because he would be going against what the union rank and file hired him to do. I would think a former player as yourself might be more open to the concept of guaranteed money, guaranteed salaries. At first, I was not because I've seen because listen, it was hard for me to earn the money that I actually earned. And I saw enough guys take it out of gear and I

had to play with them. They were making, you know, three times the money I was, and they they weren't putting forth the effort. I was, so I have that that, but also I know that was the one thing I always strive for. I would have loved to have it for myself and my family. Guarantee money, Yeah, guarantee money, but but I understand the economics of it, and I know players have always are striving towards it. Now it's Kirk Cousins deal eighty four million or eighty million dollars fully guaranteed over three years. Hey, I tip my hat to him. That's what every player has always strived for. Breakcare, We're back but more One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive and this is Buffalo Bill's Radio back in the show. And One Bill's Lap got about thirty minutes lap thirty minutes lap. Folks, you care to weigh in our Twitter poll. Let's do that now, get a phone call in at eight o three oh five fifty or twelve three one eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Yes, they're busy, man. The Twitter poll has been like completely forgotten and again it was a runaway. It's one of those Twitter polls that I hate. Who's Twitter is this yours? I had nothing to do with this bowl. I completely wash my hands the entire incident. Which Bill's defensive player will make the Pro Bowl in twenty eighteen? That is the question we put before the before the folks here today, and as far as the responses is, Steve said it is a runaway. More than seventy percent say seventy two percent say tred Avious White is the Bill defender who will make the Pro Bowl? And tell us why you think this too? By the way, seventeen percent say Micah Hyde who made it last year, eight percent say Jordan Poyer, four percent have somebody else in mind? Give us a call eight oh three oh five fifty and toll free one eight eight eighty fifty two five fifteen. We'll discuss call here from Mike and Las Vegas not on that topic, but go ahead and Mike, you're on the air with us. Hello Mike and Las Vegas. Good, Thank you good. I had the pleasure of having dinner about fifteen fifteen years ago in Las Vegas. What's Jr? Mkelly Uncle? Well, I'll have our prayers out to him, and were just wondering how he's doing. Steve. You did Kelly's camp last two weeks a couple of weeks ago, took a selfie with him. Plus he's been on Instagram. He went to a wedding that was actually in Scotland this last week, so he's been traveling around the world. He just had a had an operation a couple of weeks ago that was a little bit more of a reconstruct post operative recovery operation had it wasn't about the cancer, it was about reconstruction and cosmetics and so that, and that seems to have gone well. And from my knowledge, he's doing great. He chimes in every once in a while on the five President's tech Sloop and and and uh from what I haven't talked to him lately, but I talked to him when he was at his football camp and he seemed in really good spirits. So thank you for asking Mike I appreciate it. It's great to him. I got some further going out to him and Steve. I enjoyed watching him playing football those years. Well. I appreciated Mike, I was. It was fun while it lasted. Thanks Mike, thanks for calling from all the way in Vegas. You know, I guess it bear saying Steve. Jim has been sick for so long and face so many challenges that Mike reminds us. You know, you cannot ignore what he's been through, what he's going through and how you know, I guess courageous is the word. What he's what he's done. You know, he's he's amazing. He's an amazing, resilient human being who's gone through an awful lot. And yes, of course we all pray for him and wish him well, and I stand in awe of his strength and his ability to continue to bounce back. I do. Yeah, he's a phenomenal The one time, the only time you'll see him kind of. Yeah, he's just sometimes when it's been a bad stretch or whatever, he'll say, Man, I'm just tired of being sore, hurting all the time. Yeah, And that's and that's one of the things that your heart. Yeah, it does. And it also it's one of the common denominators for old football players of whatever vintage you want to pick. They just, you know, they hurt too much all the time, and it kind of starts to wear on him. Although I got to say him when he feels good, he's his old self and it's fun to see. And it said, it's reassuring to see. But you're right, the guy's been an inspiration. Yeah, aration call here from Jerome. Go ahead, Jerome, you're on the air list. Oh thank you that afternoon, gentlemen. I'm a lifelong Bills fan forever. I'm going to be even after the grave. To be honest with you, I just like to see them guys, what are they gonna do too? Had a hunger, hunger in them to win a super Bowl? Go there and win it. I would like to see one. I say it every year, we're gonna win the Super Bowl. So I take in consideration that Tyry helped us along, got us into the playoffs, and then they got rid of him. He knows the deals. I mean, you get rid of a guy, I guess you got a better offer or something. But I'd like to see the deals, go to the Super Bowl, win it. Jim Kelly style, To be honest with you, I love the way he played. He beside Joe Ferguson, I think he was the best quarterback that we ever had, you know, and that's just my personal opinion. Jim is the greatest to me because he's four straight to the Bowls. I've never seen that happen in my lifetime or anybody. I don't think nobody else had. Well, that's not good point. How can we get there in state and win? This is what I would like to see that we all would Well, I appreciate you. You're right, and you're right. I mean that's the idea, And you're Jim Kelly style is right. I mean because Jim, we were really fortunate too. And we've watched him since he retired. He lives here in Buffalo. I mean, he's a guy. He's part of the furniture here. I mean, people know him and if you haven't met him, it is because you just haven't been out to enough places, because that guy is here in Buffalo. And the thing about winning it, like

Jim Kelly, the thing that overrides everything about that team and about Jim and about you know, his personality. He was a reflection of our city. He was blue collar. He wore his heart on his sleeve. When he was mad, you knew it. When he was happy, he celebrated together with him. He never hid anything. And Buffalo Ians are kind of like that. They're hard working people and they wear their heart on the sleeve. And Jim personified that on the football field the way he played and the way he won and the way he lost. Uh. He was a tough competitor, all of that stuff. So when you say you want to win and go to and win the Super Bowl Jim Kelly style, you're right. That's the way Buffalo wants to do it. And we were fortunate to be at a time when we had a chance to do it exactly the way the city would like to do it. Uh. And and I'm telling you it was fun to be a part of. That's why that team was legendary because a guy's like Jim and the way they personified this city and the relationship between the fans and the players. And that's what this group is striving to do. This is what this coaching staff and this front office have tried to formulate here and and I've said this before, this is an easy team to cheer for. I got a lot that guys they drafted this year are phenomenal guys. You can't wait to see him play. And and he said, he said, we're Jerome just called and said we're gonna win the Super Bowl? Murph. Do I need to give him kool Aid? Or is he dispensing? L I think he's got he's got the tap and he's he's just he's just spend seeing the Kolaid. So Jerome, you're on you all, put you in for the person who is on the kool Aid dispensary committee. Time now for NFL True or False, presented by Yancey's Fancy New York's artist and Cheese. A couple of quick items from the NFL wire stuff going on around the league. We want to talk about whether we believe it. NFL True or False. Here we go, Ready to go, Here we go. Randy Moss Hall of Fame wide receiver. You're gonna go in the Hall of Fame this year. He's in Tampa this week helping Bucks quarterback Jamis Winston. He's working with receivers too, helping Buck's quarterback Jamis Winston, who obviously has got that three game suspension coming up at the start of the year after the incident with the uber driver. Randy Moss says Winston can overcome this if he makes the right choices the rest of the way. He says he's pulling for him. It doesn't like to see players fail. Randy Moss will help Jamis Winston get better as a person. I think we're talking about here. True. False. Steve, you want to start, I'm gonna have to say at first, I have to stay off the top. True. Because I was reading the message that Randy Moss purportedly is trying to tell Winston Jamis Winston, and it seems to be the right message. If you're gonna you gotta have people in your life who are willing and able to tell you no, They're able to put in check. You don't want yes people in your life. You don't want people who are enabling you. You don't want to have people in your life who use you for a meal ticket so they never want to make you mad. You've got to have people that you love and respect in your life, who love and respect you enough to tell you know and give you advice that is contrary to your wishes, and that's the message that Randy Moss is giving to Jamis Winston. Now that so if Jamis is willing to listen and enact that stuff, Yeah, Randy Moss can definitely help him. I hope he does. I guess i'd root for him to have a positive impact on him. I worry that Jamis Winston maybe maybe beyond redemption, and so I'm gonna say false. I don't know if he will help make him better. That sounds pretty cool. It's like everything's up to Jamis it is. It's more about Jamison's Randy, It's not Jamis. NFL true or false. This is very interesting. Gil Brandt, you know he is right, long time Cowboys Ncyclopedia. Yes, he has written a post for NFL dot com about the top wide receivers in NFL history. He's got number five Steelers Antonio o'brown. Let me go through the top five here, Jerry Rice number one. I think everybody would agree. Top these are the top receivers all the time in Gil Brand's mine. Don Hudson, Green Bay Packers number two. Okay, never saw him play, but I know he's held in high regard. He's got Randy Moss number three. The fforementioned, he's got Lance Allworth, the fourth best wide receiver all time, and then Antonio o'brown. Brown's had great years, a great year, six time Pro Bowler for the Steelers. But you know what, I'd plug Larry Fitzgerald in there at number five ahead of him. So I'm going false on this. I don't know if he's a top five receiver, top ten. Yeah, you want to hear some other names, Steve, who were Marvin Harris read the list? You saw the list, Larry Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Bob Hayes, Chris Carter, Raymond, Barry, Tim Brown, James Often he's got ranked his number thirteen. Is Antonio Brown the fifth best wide receiver in NFL history? I say false? What do you say? I say? False? Absolutely false? IM he's great, no questions, highly talented. The Steelers are markedly different team with him on the football field. But putting him in that number five all time, I think I think that's being a little bit a prisoner at the moment. I don't. I don't think just because this guy's flashing right now, that he's going to be that He's an all time greade you look back across the course of history. Yeah, I can't put him there. I can't. Calvin Johnson, I mean really, I mean, you're you're talking about guys, and that's and we were gonna get onto this topic. Two great players who were on bad teams. I think uh Antonio Brown would be out of football if he was playing for the Cleveland Browns. No, I'm saying, I'm exaggerating. He wouldn't be out of football, but he wouldn't be that kind of player if he didn't have Ben Rossberger thrown to him, if he was or if he was in Chicago for the Bears with Mitch Trubiski and who ever, the long line of quarterback question marks they had in

Cleveland in some of these towns that didn't have a quarterback like Ben Roethlisberger for his entire career who was an elite, established quarterback that wasn't going anywhere. Yeah, Antonio Brown has put together some phenomenal seasons, but I don't think you could plug him in just anywhere like you could some of the other names on this list and he would be as great good, Yes, but he wouldn't be on this list, So I say false, we both say false. Finally, NFL true or false. This one's kind of funny. Kirk Cousins remarking on the scrambling ability of future Hall of Famer Tom Brady. Kirk Cousins says Tom Brady scrambles like a quote baby giraffe. Says he respects some. Cousins says he respects him. He said, when we were watching video Patriot Saints, some of the plays he made were great. I see some mobility, but he finds a way in the pocket to keep his eyes down field. But he does say. Cousins says, he looks like a baby giraffe when he starts to run around. True or false. Now we've got I'll say true. Yeah, long legs, not extremely fast. Yeah, I would say I'm gonna say false because his nickname on the Raiders is Clydesdale. So when he starts around, they say he looks like a Clydesdale running when when he run, so I'm gonna say yeah, but he's not. Yeah, he's yeah, he's no Tyrod Taylor. Yeah, he's no Tyrod Taylor. And he does you know. It's it's a testament to him that he can't run really well. Um, but I don't know. I would not have picked a baby giraffe. Brady does. And I'm paying him a compliment here. Yeah, he's not Tyrod Taylor mobile. But Brady has pocket awareness, like maybe as good as anybody ever sees where the rush is coming from, fields where it's coming from, knows how to take a step, a step and a half to get away from the rush and make a play den and to wait long enough to make the playdown field. He does that as well as anyone. Oh absolutely, he's That's part of the reason he's maybe the greatest guy to ever takes snaps in the league in league history. Is certainly one of the most six not the most successful guy to ever do it because of his ability to keep his eyes down the field not be bothered by the rush. So yeah, but baby draft, I'm gonna say no. NFL True or False. Brought to you by Yancey's, Fancy New York's Artists and Cheese. All right, a break. Here we're back with more One Bill's Live, presented by Kalata Health. We're coming here from One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Okay, what have we learned from today's show. We'd like to learn every day. This is a learning project. Every day we come here to work three hours weekdays and hope to educate ourselves a little bit. And if you having to catch a little education and consider it a plus. Right? What have we learned? Presented by Advanced Alarm providing Western New York's homes and business is with the finess and security and home theater He preferred Alarm at Home Theater provider of the Buffalo Bills. We've had a good guest on David Halberstam, not that one, but a

distant relative. David Halberstam joined us to talk about a post that he wrote for the Sports Broadcast Journal about great tandems two play by play guys, different sports, same cities. He had Van Miller and Rick Jennerette as his fourth all time great play by play tandem, and David Halberstam talked to us about his take on Van Miller and what made him so great today two in a game on radio and painting the picture being the words, it's an art that I'm afraid as being a lost. Miller had it, without a doubt, had a great command of the language he paused properly. He built the drama and you can just hear it from the inflection in his voice. Have a good conversation with David Halberstam about those two broadcasters, Rink Jenner N and Van Miller. Andrew Brand joined us earlier this hour sports business expert. He is the man behind the more Ad Sports Law Center at Villanova University's NFL business executive and a former executive in the front office of the Green Bay Packers. We talked with Andrew Brand about a variety of topics, including the allegations made by other by people against the Bills, Leshaun McCoy. We asked Andrew Brand to give us an assessment on where he think the Buffalo Bills might be and where they should go in the near future with the McCoy allegations. Here's what he said. You have to point of contact the agent. Agents gonna tell you what they hopefully have a good relationship. You can work through it. Whether a coach or a player personnel guy or a physician coach gets in touch with the player, that tends to be the relationship there. But you want to get all the information you can. And Drew and LaShaun may not want to give you all the information, so it is a bit tense, you know. Then you look down the road a potential discipline, does it come from the Bills, come from the league? Seems like these teams all defer to Roger right now that he's the one given out all the disciplines that we'll see how that works out again. No new details that we can tell today about McCoy's situation. No police report filed. I don't know where it's going. We talked about it at the top of the show, when throughout the show we're just kind of on hold until this thing sorts itself out. The Bills are on hold, The Bill's movement is on hold, as Andrew said, Steve Andrew Brandt said, you know, the Bills have the option to be proactive when it comes to punishment. If there needs to be some sort of punishment here, you don't have to wait for Roger Goodell. You can a team can issue a suspension. Maybe that's the way they go, Maybe that's the best way to go. I don't know, and the Bills don't know. They have yet to say what their plan is or what they know about it. That's right, and his connection. There's no connection been made except that his relationship with the girl and some of the circumstances that surrounded the home invasion. And this is as it ever goes. It's gonna be up to the to the team in the league to decide what that means to his future as a part of the part of the organization and part of the NFL. So we'll stay tuned in on that, right, all of us will, and we'll find out. I'm sure there's gonna be some substantia where I was thinking about this today, Steve Um. If you're an NFL reporter, a national NFL reporter, this is a national NFL figure with Sean McCoy and a big story in a quiet time. I'm sure there's a very many reporters going after details on this, and I don't think it will have to wait too too long to get a sense of what may have gone on here, right, I mean, this is a big story at a time when there's well we want that. We would love to have the answers to all these questions and all the innuendos, innuendo and the Twitter reaction and all of that. We love to have answers to put forth and we just don't. And that's the frustrating point. And we're not going to speculate, and we're gonna wait and see, and um, I'm sure we'll talk more about it. Unfortunately in the days and weeks ahead, tomorrow's show looks like it's shipping up to be pretty good. We've got a young man named Luke Tasker on the show with us Steve soun Luke. He plays for the Hamilton Tiger Cats in the CFL. How many years are the CFL for lucas? This is sixth year they're they're on a bye week? How old is Luke twenty seven? Little panics that in the twenty seven year old Luke Tasker Easter roa a native he would be I would think, Uh, the most notable receiver on the tie Cats roster is that right? Brandon Banks is one of their guys. Terrence Tollifer as another guy. Guys who have had a cup of coffee in the NFL as well, bye week, they're what three and one? They're two and two, two and two and playing better than people playing very much. They're playing really good football right now. They lost to a couple of really tough teams on the road, big road trips out West, and they're they're playing. They lost a couple of close games and have won some really convincing ones, so it's it's been a fun team to watch so far. So Luke will be on with us tomorrow at one o'clock and then coming up at two one of our favorites, Lorenzo Alexander with the lowdown. I believe Lorenzo is going to join us from his offseason and outpost in Scottsdale, Arizona, where I read something on Twitter he has been working out, so I want to ask him about this. Sounds like he's got a new workout partner or maybe a trainer that he's working with on his own out there in Scottsdale. Lorenzo was a is a physical freak in a physical marvel. You were here when I asked him about the break. You know, when minicamp ended before the training camp began, do you slack off a little bit as far as you're in nutrition regiment? He goes, oh, no, oh, no, it's on now. Yeah. I mean he is a freak, and which is why he's still playing at age what thirty five? It's still playing thirty five, and it's at a position that is way different than the one he began. Yeah, I've talked about him at length about how he went from three to fifteen down to two forty and I mean, I don't know how you do that. That's I and go to Pro Bowls and go to Pro Bowls after you make that change, that transformation. It's unbelievable. Lorenzo Beyond with us tomorrow at two o'clock. I want to thank our production assistance. George Blast is not even here. Why is he on my list? Jeff Coltonick, Oh, George, we love you, but you know, show for work. Jeff Coltnick Thomas, Honald Er, Kelly Rude, JJ Turito, Kevin Kargis and James robol Our producer Jay Harris back with another show tomorrow, twelve noon, One Bill's Live, presented by Kalidah Health from One Bill's Drive and This is Buffalo Bill's Radio