Full Transcript for Building a Rock-Solid Foundational Skillset for Firearms Training | On The Range Podcast with Rick Hogg & Mark Kelley

just like 91 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:11,966 it is on the OTR crew.com 92 00:03:11,966 --> 00:03:12,900 the Crew Page 93 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:15,300 you can watch and listen to these episodes on there 94 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:17,200 as well so make sure you check that out 95 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,133 and as always like subscribe 96 00:03:19,333 --> 00:03:21,366 like subscribe and follow comment 97 00:03:21,366 --> 00:03:23,166 it really helps out on the algorithm 98 00:03:23,166 --> 00:03:24,666 and as always Rick 99 00:03:24,766 --> 00:03:26,166 this episode is brought to you by 100 00:03:26,166 --> 00:03:28,466 the Firearms Training Notebook 101 00:03:28,633 --> 00:03:30,300 you know what it's the most revolutionary thing 102 00:03:30,300 --> 00:03:32,866 to come to the firearms industry since gunpowder 103 00:03:32,933 --> 00:03:34,833 and we're we're happy to have it out there 104 00:03:34,833 --> 00:03:36,533 and like we said last week 105 00:03:36,700 --> 00:03:38,100 the coil bound the spiral bound 106 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:39,800 whatever you want to lay it lays flat 107 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,766 it's a great application that is coming out 108 00:03:41,766 --> 00:03:41,800 and 109 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,833 you're going to be able to buy that directly from us 110 00:03:43,833 --> 00:03:44,833 but if you don't want to do that 111 00:03:44,833 --> 00:03:45,700 and you want to get it shipped 112 00:03:45,700 --> 00:03:47,133 especially if you're internationally 113 00:03:47,133 --> 00:03:48,033 you can go to Amazon 114 00:03:48,033 --> 00:03:50,033 but all those links are on those websites 115 00:03:50,366 --> 00:03:51,400 so Rick 116 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:52,500 you know the last week 117 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:54,533 we had some conversations 118 00:03:54,766 --> 00:03:56,633 and I know this is gonna be a little bit shorter than 119 00:03:56,633 --> 00:03:57,966 than normal folks 120 00:03:57,966 --> 00:04:00,700 just bear with us I got some things that are coming up 121 00:04:00,700 --> 00:04:03,000 that Rick and I both have to attend to 122 00:04:03,033 --> 00:04:05,766 but these things are coming out now 123 00:04:05,766 --> 00:04:07,900 we had a lot of good interaction 124 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:08,933 a lot of good attendance 125 00:04:08,933 --> 00:04:12,233 and a lot of good comments coming from these episodes 126 00:04:12,233 --> 00:04:13,766 and these crew cast which is 127 00:04:13,766 --> 00:04:15,100 you can only get on the crew page 128 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:17,233 by the way the audio goes out yes 129 00:04:17,233 --> 00:04:19,700 but this is strictly for the crew members 130 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,300 and the folks who sign up for the OTR crew.com 131 00:04:23,533 --> 00:04:27,766 but some of the stuff that we're talking about is 132 00:04:27,766 --> 00:04:30,400 you know I wouldn't even say it's basic 133 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,966 like we addressed that last time 134 00:04:31,966 --> 00:04:33,600 I wouldn't say it's rudimentary 135 00:04:33,733 --> 00:04:35,600 this is just the way that 136 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,500 most of the stuff that we have been doing for 137 00:04:38,533 --> 00:04:40,133 you know over 30 years 138 00:04:40,133 --> 00:04:43,666 you know including our time after our uniform services 139 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:45,500 this is the way we do things 140 00:04:45,533 --> 00:04:49,600 and you hear the the classic well 141 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,200 I feel like this is a little bit too basic 142 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,733 or I feel like like I need something more advanced 143 00:04:54,166 --> 00:04:56,966 okay someone who's active 144 00:04:56,966 --> 00:05:00,333 and they're required to do other things 145 00:05:00,333 --> 00:05:01,933 or someone who's you know 146 00:05:02,033 --> 00:05:03,933 been in firearms training for a while 147 00:05:03,933 --> 00:05:06,333 and they want to do other things to be able to 148 00:05:06,633 --> 00:05:07,933 you know have better skill set 149 00:05:07,933 --> 00:05:09,533 to protect their family and loved ones 150 00:05:09,533 --> 00:05:11,333 and stuff like that I understand that 151 00:05:11,333 --> 00:05:11,833 so yeah 152 00:05:11,833 --> 00:05:14,100 you do have to sprinkle those things in 153 00:05:14,333 --> 00:05:17,566 but the primary skill set in most of this stuff 154 00:05:17,566 --> 00:05:18,966 and a real game changer 155 00:05:18,966 --> 00:05:20,466 especially if you're getting older 156 00:05:20,533 --> 00:05:22,500 and we really can't rely on our hands 157 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,633 you know speed and strength and quickness anymore 158 00:05:24,766 --> 00:05:29,800 is the firearm and we have to master those things 159 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,066 those foundational skills 160 00:05:32,366 --> 00:05:33,366 before we move on 161 00:05:33,366 --> 00:05:34,933 and I like to touch on that a little bit 162 00:05:34,933 --> 00:05:36,866 because we still hear that stuff 163 00:05:36,966 --> 00:05:38,666 and I wanna get your take on it 164 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,633 it's all verbiage Mark right 165 00:05:40,633 --> 00:05:42,400 and you hit the you hit the keyword 166 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,233 so nobody wants to do basic 167 00:05:44,233 --> 00:05:46,166 you know what I'm basic right 168 00:05:46,166 --> 00:05:47,200 take it for what it's worth 169 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,900 I am a basic shooter novice shooter 170 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:50,800 whatever you want to say 171 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,966 the time that you say that you've hit that Pinnacle 172 00:05:52,966 --> 00:05:54,933 peak you're done right 173 00:05:54,933 --> 00:05:57,500 I'm always looking to hone my craft 174 00:05:57,633 --> 00:05:58,933 but you hit the nail on the head 175 00:05:58,933 --> 00:06:03,700 the key thing is we have to master our fundamentals 176 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,733 some people can call that basic 177 00:06:05,933 --> 00:06:09,500 it's all semantics what makes a

basic course basic 178 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:11,966 and an advanced course advanced right 179 00:06:11,966 --> 00:06:12,600 okay great 180 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:13,766 we're gonna do all this shooting and moving 181 00:06:13,766 --> 00:06:14,633 and all this other stuff 182 00:06:14,633 --> 00:06:17,333 but if you don't have the basic skill sets 183 00:06:17,533 --> 00:06:19,133 to do fires and manipulation 184 00:06:19,133 --> 00:06:20,700 your marksmanship is there 185 00:06:20,700 --> 00:06:22,166 what are you doing okay 186 00:06:22,166 --> 00:06:24,100 you made a bunch of noise right 187 00:06:24,100 --> 00:06:26,933 that's great but it 188 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:30,200 it's mastery of the fundamentals 189 00:06:30,233 --> 00:06:34,333 bottom line where there is no thought process going on 190 00:06:34,333 --> 00:06:37,800 we've worked out all these quirks and you know 191 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,333 crew members you'll see on the uh 192 00:06:40,433 --> 00:06:43,533 the behind the scenes and even for the latest uh 193 00:06:43,533 --> 00:06:44,966 skill builder video dude 194 00:06:44,966 --> 00:06:46,100 I shot a cold right 195 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:47,900 did I have some fumbles did I have some screw UPS 196 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:50,033 absolutely I did but you know what 197 00:06:50,033 --> 00:06:52,566 I made notes in in the fire extinguisher notebook to go 198 00:06:52,566 --> 00:06:54,766 hey this is what I've got to work on this month 199 00:06:54,766 --> 00:06:58,133 this is my my kind of focus set right 200 00:06:58,133 --> 00:07:00,700 I don't have my skills mastered 201 00:07:00,733 --> 00:07:02,233 cause I fumbled some stuff 202 00:07:02,233 --> 00:07:04,533 bottom line so what do I have to do 203 00:07:04,533 --> 00:07:06,733 I have to go back and revisit it 204 00:07:06,833 --> 00:07:07,933 some people go well Rick 205 00:07:07,933 --> 00:07:09,866 that's basic OK 206 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:11,700 well my foundation isn't laid 207 00:07:11,933 --> 00:07:15,900 if yours is great if you're continuing to grow great 208 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,600 but it's all verbiage at the end of the day 209 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,166 in my opinion so I 210 00:07:22,166 --> 00:07:25,666 I think it's if you break it down into this 211 00:07:25,833 --> 00:07:29,433 are you a first time gun owner 212 00:07:29,766 --> 00:07:31,033 that you've never shot 213 00:07:31,033 --> 00:07:32,566 you've never attended a safety class 214 00:07:32,566 --> 00:07:34,333 you've never done that okay 215 00:07:34,333 --> 00:07:36,700 maybe you need to go to a basic 216 00:07:36,700 --> 00:07:39,233 first time handler NRA style course 217 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:40,633 okay I'll give you that 218 00:07:40,966 --> 00:07:42,833 but if you're looking to do more training 219 00:07:43,733 --> 00:07:44,766 somebody tell me what 220 00:07:44,766 --> 00:07:49,500 what defines a basic and advanced intermediate 221 00:07:49,833 --> 00:07:52,266 what's the standard there is none 222 00:07:53,033 --> 00:07:54,433 right so people will go 223 00:07:54,433 --> 00:07:57,233 well this is advanced shooting 8:40 224 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,500 what does that mean we don't have an industry standard 225 00:08:00,966 --> 00:08:03,033 so it's kind of like my analogy 226 00:08:03,033 --> 00:08:06,633 when it comes to line breaks on regular targets 227 00:08:06,633 --> 00:08:08,033 I don't count it 228 00:08:08,033 --> 00:08:11,300 I wanna hold myself more accountable on bulls 229 00:08:11,300 --> 00:08:12,833 it's international standard 230 00:08:12,833 --> 00:08:16,033 if you're shooting a B8 bull internationally 231 00:08:16,033 --> 00:08:18,933 a line break will count for that next higher score 232 00:08:19,333 --> 00:08:20,633 okay Roger that 233 00:08:20,633 --> 00:08:24,633 but until we define these different levels 234 00:08:24,633 --> 00:08:27,233 and some people have tried to define certain things 235 00:08:27,233 --> 00:08:29,733 and put certain pieces in there 236 00:08:29,733 --> 00:08:32,700 but it's one person one person here 237 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:35,233 one person there it's kind of like the 238 00:08:35,233 --> 00:08:38,400 the self eval what's the score for the self eval 239 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,366 it's you right 240 00:08:40,366 --> 00:08:43,766 you you're looking to improve yourself by design 241 00:08:43,766 --> 00:08:46,466 I'm not gonna put an arbitrary time on there 242 00:08:46,566 --> 00:08:46,966 hey man 243 00:08:46,966 --> 00:08:49,333 if you shoot the thing in 20 seconds great 244 00:08:49,433 --> 00:08:51,600 can we clean some stuff off and get you to 18 245 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,200 15 12 246 00:08:53,366 --> 00:08:54,700 sub 10 dude 247 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:56,433 what kind of improvements there 248 00:08:56,633 --> 00:08:59,133 right so if I got the guy that's shooting 249 00:08:59,233 --> 00:09:02,200 you know running it at five okay 250 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,433 can you get down to 4 9 4 8 251 00:09:04,933 --> 00:09:07,400 there's always room for improvement so 252 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:11,100 that you you know 253 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:12,166 it's kind of like that one 254 00:09:12,166 --> 00:09:12,700 that one guy 255 00:09:12,700 --> 00:09:15,033 I told you that we had the conversation with 256 00:09:15,233 --> 00:09:16,100 yeah you know I 257 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:17,200 I don't know man 258 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,933 I'm if you're course the right fit for me 259 00:09:18,933 --> 00:09:20,500 I'm looking for something a little more tactical 260 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:22,200 what's that yeah right 261 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,033 I I don't even know what that means 262 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:26,266 but then you ask him a simple question 263 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,100 hey man 264 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:29,433 draw the first shot seven meters 265 00:09:29,700 --> 00:09:31,500 Ipsy style target a zone hit 266 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:32,600 which time I

don't know 267 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,866 but I'm fast Roger that 268 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,766 so it it and 269 00:09:37,766 --> 00:09:39,166 and Mark 270 00:09:39,166 --> 00:09:42,900 I think it all boils down to the crap we see on social 271 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:47,100 are you watching education or you getting entertained 272 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:49,900 you know at the end of the day 273 00:09:49,966 --> 00:09:51,533 hey man we're here 274 00:09:51,566 --> 00:09:53,633 number one we're not a media production company 275 00:09:53,633 --> 00:09:55,000 so if you're looking for the high wiz 276 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,233 bang productions ain't gonna be there right 277 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,733 you can see it in the behind the scenes 278 00:09:59,733 --> 00:10:00,800 hey man you see the 279 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,600 the cameras in the view right 280 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,933 you got what you got um 281 00:10:05,233 --> 00:10:08,500 but if you're looking for content that's educational 282 00:10:08,500 --> 00:10:11,433 that's gonna help you to become 1% better 283 00:10:11,500 --> 00:10:13,333 with your firearm skills Roger that 284 00:10:13,333 --> 00:10:14,666 will take care of it all day long 285 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:15,733 yeah um 286 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:17,866 you know so 287 00:10:18,166 --> 00:10:20,533 but it's a big turn off I 288 00:10:20,533 --> 00:10:21,633 I don't 289 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:24,800 I don't know what you would consider advanced 290 00:10:25,566 --> 00:10:27,033 you know shooting and moving 291 00:10:27,033 --> 00:10:28,300 is that really an advanced skill 292 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:29,933 no not in my opinion 293 00:10:30,633 --> 00:10:33,566 um Multi Target Index advanced skill 294 00:10:33,566 --> 00:10:35,033 no not in my opinion 295 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,333 you you know CQB 296 00:10:37,733 --> 00:10:39,933 no it's just solving a problem 297 00:10:39,933 --> 00:10:42,500 but you gotta have the the gun handling skills there 298 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:44,500 or else you're just spinning your wheels right 299 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:46,466 so um 300 00:10:46,633 --> 00:10:49,533 I don't know what advanced shooting is 301 00:10:50,233 --> 00:10:52,266 by definition yeah 302 00:10:52,766 --> 00:10:54,633 and the big thing about that too 303 00:10:54,633 --> 00:10:57,600 is anybody that's doing something really 304 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,800 really well or 305 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,666 you know at the top of whatever field that is 306 00:11:01,733 --> 00:11:05,100 they are doing the exact same thing in their field 307 00:11:05,133 --> 00:11:07,833 there's no reason why people would think 308 00:11:07,833 --> 00:11:10,533 that Usain Bolt would practice coming out of the blocks 309 00:11:10,533 --> 00:11:13,400 but he does there's nobody in the world 310 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,200 that would think Steven Curry 311 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,100 or Stephen Curry would be practicing free throws 312 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:20,200 or 3 pointers but he does 313 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:21,900 that's the thing you know 314 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:25,500 we don't train to a point where you're ever thinking 315 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:27,433 and if you're really trying to be 316 00:11:27,966 --> 00:11:31,133 a master of those foundational skills 317 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:32,566 you're never gonna get there 318 00:11:32,566 --> 00:11:34,933 but you're still continuing to do it 319 00:11:34,933 --> 00:11:37,033 if you ever train to something 320 00:11:37,033 --> 00:11:40,400 a level where you are never doing something wrong 321 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,633 you're still gonna continue to practice that skill 322 00:11:43,966 --> 00:11:46,000 you're still gonna do it and that's the thing 323 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:46,900 the whole 324 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,233 all your training cycle is dedicated to those things 325 00:11:50,233 --> 00:11:52,633 practicing those foundational skills 326 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,633 over and over and over until you don't do them wrong 327 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,733 ever but that's never gonna happen 328 00:12:01,033 --> 00:12:02,033 it's never gonna happen it 329 00:12:02,033 --> 00:12:03,233 it's and the 330 00:12:03,233 --> 00:12:03,966 I think 331 00:12:03,966 --> 00:12:06,500 let's say you have someone who really is working it 332 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:07,633 with that mindset 333 00:12:07,933 --> 00:12:09,966 I think there's a lot of people out there too Rick 334 00:12:09,966 --> 00:12:13,033 that just simply don't know how to train 335 00:12:13,533 --> 00:12:16,700 uh huh and we can talk about that too 336 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:18,933 because I think that's a real problem 337 00:12:19,233 --> 00:12:20,166 if they're thinking man 338 00:12:20,166 --> 00:12:21,200 I should be doing something else 339 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,000 well dude are 340 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,433 have you have you mastered that yet 341 00:12:24,533 --> 00:12:25,200 well then you 342 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,233 that needs to be included no matter what you do 343 00:12:27,233 --> 00:12:28,100 additionally 344 00:12:28,966 --> 00:12:29,933 yeah I mean I'll 345 00:12:29,933 --> 00:12:31,833 I'll throw one caviar right 346 00:12:31,833 --> 00:12:32,633 um 347 00:12:33,166 --> 00:12:34,733 let's kind of look at our law enforcement officers 348 00:12:34,733 --> 00:12:36,133 for example all right 349 00:12:36,133 --> 00:12:38,166 if they're a two platform agency 350 00:12:38,166 --> 00:12:39,733 I they've got a patrol rifle 351 00:12:40,033 --> 00:12:42,400 and obviously their duty handgun 352 00:12:43,933 --> 00:12:47,733 are you putting all your time into your duty handgun 353 00:12:47,733 --> 00:12:49,433 and doing nothing with your patrol rifle 354 00:12:49,433 --> 00:12:51,900 because the chance of using that is slim to none 355 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,400 do you have a fifty fifty balance 356 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00:12:55,966 are you 75 25 I 357 00:12:55,966 --> 00:12:57,233 I don't know 358 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:01,833 but let's go back to Mike Neal when he was on the show 359 00:13:02,033 --> 00:13:05,600 so he was a a wildlife officer in Arkansas 360 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:10,700 Medal of Valor recipient and could not reload his rifle 361 00:13:11,366 --> 00:13:13,066 because he was never trained on it 362 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:15,833 so again 363 00:13:16,733 --> 00:13:18,133 dangerous situation 364 00:13:18,633 --> 00:13:20,133 it wasn't that he didn't have the skill 365 00:13:20,133 --> 00:13:22,600 he just didn't never was trained how to do it 366 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,600 so this is the whole point 367 00:13:24,733 --> 00:13:26,400 if you're gonna carry these firearms 368 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,100 for some type of self Protection 369 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,933 what's your balance what are you practicing 370 00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:33,433 uh is my yes 371 00:13:33,433 --> 00:13:35,100 do I focus on 372 00:13:35,966 --> 00:13:37,533 um my duty draw from the holster 373 00:13:37,533 --> 00:13:38,766 absolutely why 374 00:13:38,766 --> 00:13:40,100 cause I'm instructing students right 375 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:41,533 is there new techniques I can do 376 00:13:41,533 --> 00:13:43,133 do I also have to do my concealment 377 00:13:43,133 --> 00:13:44,633 100% I have to do 378 00:13:44,633 --> 00:13:46,366 do I have to check my clothing with that concealment 379 00:13:46,366 --> 00:13:47,400 yes I do 380 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:48,766 hey is this T-shirt different than that 381 00:13:48,766 --> 00:13:49,633 T-shirt different than this 382 00:13:49,633 --> 00:13:50,800 button up it 383 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,066 all these things come into play 384 00:13:53,366 --> 00:13:55,500 and you're not sitting there going well yep 385 00:13:55,500 --> 00:13:56,766 I can draw from concealment 386 00:13:56,766 --> 00:13:57,566 okay 387 00:13:58,233 --> 00:14:01,133 do I have garments that are X marked 100% 388 00:14:01,133 --> 00:14:04,433 hey man this thing is no good for conceal carry 389 00:14:04,533 --> 00:14:05,933 how do I know cause I've 390 00:14:05,933 --> 00:14:09,000 I've tested it out during my dry fire training 391 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:09,600 go yep 392 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,533 this is not even gonna work 393 00:14:11,733 --> 00:14:13,466 boom off to the side it goes 394 00:14:13,566 --> 00:14:17,366 so that's the key part is number one 395 00:14:17,366 --> 00:14:18,400 you gotta have that plan 396 00:14:18,566 --> 00:14:19,766 and the Fireman's training notebook 397 00:14:19,766 --> 00:14:22,833 will give you that plan if you lay it out 398 00:14:22,833 --> 00:14:24,800 and take the time to 399 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,700 kind of figure out what skills you need to work on 400 00:14:27,733 --> 00:14:29,833 so you know 401 00:14:29,833 --> 00:14:31,800 going back to that draw from the holster 402 00:14:32,033 --> 00:14:34,800 OK if you're a law enforcement officer great 403 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,033 do you carry off duty I'm sure you do 404 00:14:37,033 --> 00:14:38,900 how you carrying are you appendix 405 00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:40,800 are you strong side what are you doing 406 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,800 are you putting that time in as well 407 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:44,500 yeah and then 408 00:14:44,500 --> 00:14:44,933 and then oh 409 00:14:44,933 --> 00:14:46,666 by the way you got your patrol rifle 410 00:14:46,966 --> 00:14:48,666 are you putting time in that 411 00:14:48,900 --> 00:14:51,733 cause the biggest thing we see that bite guys uh 412 00:14:51,733 --> 00:14:54,133 in the butt with that patrol rifle is that point of aim 413 00:14:54,133 --> 00:14:55,900 point of impact they 414 00:14:55,900 --> 00:15:01,533 they just haven't mastered that core fundamental skill 415 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:06,000 yeah and whether you have your notes 416 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,366 whether you do whatever it is 417 00:15:07,366 --> 00:15:08,900 before you do that training session 418 00:15:08,933 --> 00:15:09,600 hey point of aim 419 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:10,400 point of impact okay 420 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,866 hey I gotta aim a couple inches above 421 00:15:13,366 --> 00:15:14,333 you know that point of 422 00:15:14,333 --> 00:15:16,133 or that point of impact that I'm looking for 423 00:15:16,133 --> 00:15:17,666 and it becomes second nature 424 00:15:18,166 --> 00:15:20,466 but it's 425 00:15:21,033 --> 00:15:23,800 it's not difficult in my opinion 426 00:15:24,233 --> 00:15:28,600 if you chalk out and have a plan for execution 427 00:15:28,700 --> 00:15:30,666 it's no different when you go to the gym 428 00:15:31,033 --> 00:15:32,900 what are we doing today back and biceps why 429 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:34,033 cause every day is back and biceps 430 00:15:34,033 --> 00:15:35,633 we never do legs well 431 00:15:35,633 --> 00:15:36,933 you can see the guys that 432 00:15:36,933 --> 00:15:37,900 that do that right 433 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:38,700 hahaha 434 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:40,666 I'm just saying 435 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:43,100 yeah but we wanna be 436 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:44,166 we wanna be well rounded 437 00:15:44,166 --> 00:15:47,600 so if you have the concept of working out in the gym 438 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,133 you've got the concept of how to do your drive 439 00:15:49,133 --> 00:15:49,933 fire training 440 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:51,733 you gotta hit all the groups 441 00:15:52,333 --> 00:15:53,733 it it's no different 442 00:15:53,733 --> 00:15:54,533 um 443 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,400 so break it down in a plan that's gonna work for you 444 00:16:00,433 --> 00:16:02,733 I don't know your time I don't know your schedule 445 00:16:03,166 --> 00:16:07,233 but have something where you're hitting whatever it is 446 00:16:07,233 --> 00:16:09,366 platforms you are um 447 00:16:09,366 --> 00:16:10,700 here's a prime example 448 00:16:11,566 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00:16:14,533 I'm in the process right now um 449 00:16:14,933 --> 00:16:20,033 on that US Palm Storm Cap 4 rifle 450 00:16:20,533 --> 00:16:22,700 they've got a unique little feature on there 451 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:25,400 so versus the bolt release 452 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,433 they still have this the standard bolt release 453 00:16:27,533 --> 00:16:28,733 but they also have one 454 00:16:28,733 --> 00:16:31,000 that you can use with a trigger finger 455 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,600 hmm is that gets some 456 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:33,900 does that take some getting used to 457 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:35,700 yep have we mastered that 458 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:36,700 oh far from it 459 00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:40,100 is it something to take a look at 460 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:42,800 to go does one work better than the other 461 00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:45,900 maybe but you have to put the time in 462 00:16:46,166 --> 00:16:48,000 before you totally write it off 463 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,700 and we see it a lot of times 464 00:16:49,700 --> 00:16:51,133 when guys are sitting there 465 00:16:51,433 --> 00:16:52,933 granted there's gonna be some things 466 00:16:52,933 --> 00:16:55,533 some techniques that just slap you in the face and go 467 00:16:55,533 --> 00:16:56,366 yep this is garbage 468 00:16:56,366 --> 00:16:57,333 it's not gonna work for me 469 00:16:57,333 --> 00:16:59,833 Roger that but there's some that man 470 00:16:59,833 --> 00:17:03,733 I'm on that fringe am I truly putting the time in 471 00:17:04,033 --> 00:17:06,000 to give this thing a full shake 472 00:17:06,033 --> 00:17:08,033 to validate it one way or another 473 00:17:08,333 --> 00:17:11,500 is me working that new Bolt release 474 00:17:12,533 --> 00:17:15,000 gonna be the same speed as my regular one 475 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,133 nope not until I've mastered it 476 00:17:17,133 --> 00:17:19,100 not until I've put the time into it 477 00:17:19,133 --> 00:17:21,133 and what does that take repetition 478 00:17:21,133 --> 00:17:23,100 and repetition and repetition 479 00:17:23,533 --> 00:17:24,633 oh by the way 480 00:17:24,633 --> 00:17:27,266 now I've got to change my camera angle 481 00:17:27,566 --> 00:17:30,000 from going from my left side 482 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,700 now I've got to get the right side why 483 00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:33,300 cause I need to see kind of what this 484 00:17:33,300 --> 00:17:35,500 this finger's doing to hit that release 485 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:38,400 get back on and do all my business so 486 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,900 one can say a basic skill of reloading your rifle hmm 487 00:17:43,133 --> 00:17:45,200 now we got to learn a new 488 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:48,700 new kind of technique just on that platform's build 489 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:50,700 does it mean it's the end all 490 00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:52,600 be all and that's where we're gonna go moving forward 491 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:52,933 hey man 492 00:17:52,933 --> 00:17:54,933 we'll shake it out we'll see how it goes 493 00:17:55,500 --> 00:17:56,300 you know 494 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,833 you know also when we're talking about 495 00:17:58,833 --> 00:18:01,300 you know picking up a standard and following that 496 00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:02,333 you know that standard 497 00:18:02,333 --> 00:18:05,133 that scale that's gonna be moving 498 00:18:05,133 --> 00:18:05,566 you know it's gonna be 499 00:18:05,566 --> 00:18:07,666 get quicker and quicker and quicker as you progress 500 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,100 mm hmm and that's something that you pay attention to 501 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:12,133 too you don't just oh 502 00:18:12,133 --> 00:18:13,200 I hit the standard now I'm done 503 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,033 no let's see if we can get that a little quicker 504 00:18:15,033 --> 00:18:16,400 let's see if we can do a few more things 505 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,666 to clean that up I know I can go faster 506 00:18:18,866 --> 00:18:20,733 because I you just know 507 00:18:20,733 --> 00:18:21,700 when you're doing something 508 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:23,200 and it's becoming fairly easy 509 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,933 it's time to open that up a little bit 510 00:18:24,933 --> 00:18:26,333 and you can't do any of that 511 00:18:26,333 --> 00:18:28,733 if you don't take those tangibles down 512 00:18:28,733 --> 00:18:30,300 and you don't know what you're doing 513 00:18:30,366 --> 00:18:30,633 mm hmm 514 00:18:30,633 --> 00:18:33,900 if you don't own a protimer or have access to one 515 00:18:33,900 --> 00:18:35,833 or not using the departments or something 516 00:18:35,966 --> 00:18:39,066 that is a critical error in your training 517 00:18:39,166 --> 00:18:40,100 it really is 518 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:44,000 you are not going to be able to come up with a 519 00:18:44,033 --> 00:18:47,666 as good of a plan for your personal progression 520 00:18:47,766 --> 00:18:49,166 if you're not taking that stuff down 521 00:18:49,166 --> 00:18:50,766 and not following that it 522 00:18:50,766 --> 00:18:51,833 now go ahead buddy 523 00:18:51,833 --> 00:18:53,633 I I don't think it's a plan right 524 00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:56,933 you can have your plan you have no gauge 525 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,466 so so I can have the plan to execute whatever 526 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,833 but how do I know if I'm moving the needle 527 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,400 without having something to let 528 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:08,533 me know yeah 529 00:19:08,533 --> 00:19:09,600 you're not even gonna see it 530 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,700 no you know 531 00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:11,566 so so like 532 00:19:11,566 --> 00:19:12,733 I can sit there 533 00:19:13,233 --> 00:19:15,333 I can do draw from the holster all day long 534 00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:19,100 but how do I know how well I'm progressing 535 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:22,566 or not progressing if I don't have anything to Mark the 536 00:19:22,566 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00:19:24,533 the time or the data 537 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,533 and that's what your pro timer is doing 538 00:19:27,233 --> 00:19:29,433 so I I just think it's a little verbiage deal 539 00:19:29,433 --> 00:19:30,433 yeah right 540 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:34,133 but that's that's your gauge to go 541 00:19:34,133 --> 00:19:35,633 okay can I ramp it up 542 00:19:35,633 --> 00:19:37,133 can I clean it up hey man 543 00:19:37,133 --> 00:19:39,733 I'm hitting well below my part time 544 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,333 hey let's trim two tenths off 545 00:19:41,333 --> 00:19:42,766 let's see what happens oh yeah 546 00:19:42,766 --> 00:19:43,200 now we're getting 547 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,033 now we're getting a little spicy right now 548 00:19:45,033 --> 00:19:46,500 I gotta make sure everything's clean 549 00:19:46,833 --> 00:19:48,800 um but that's 550 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,100 you bring up a great point 551 00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:53,800 it's the push and I think a lot of times 552 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,566 guys don't do the push 553 00:19:56,566 --> 00:19:59,400 or they don't get to that uncomfortable spot 554 00:19:59,900 --> 00:20:00,300 hey man 555 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:01,200 there's times 556 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,466 and I kind of talked about it for this skill builder 557 00:20:04,833 --> 00:20:07,933 um we're gonna do some stuff with the pistol 558 00:20:07,933 --> 00:20:08,933 coming out of the holster 559 00:20:08,933 --> 00:20:09,866 yada yada 560 00:20:10,333 --> 00:20:13,000 I can get away with a lot of slop for one shot 561 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:14,633 two three 562 00:20:14,633 --> 00:20:15,700 four five 563 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,133 that's gonna be a different story 564 00:20:19,333 --> 00:20:20,133 yeah now 565 00:20:20,133 --> 00:20:21,866 now I got it 566 00:20:22,533 --> 00:20:25,733 ammo dollar thing but at some point 567 00:20:25,733 --> 00:20:28,666 you've got to throw those multi shots in there 568 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,733 because that's gonna tell me 569 00:20:30,933 --> 00:20:32,933 is my grip fundamentals there 570 00:20:32,933 --> 00:20:34,666 or is this thing falling apart 571 00:20:34,833 --> 00:20:39,266 I mean I can literally have a garbage grip on that gun 572 00:20:40,133 --> 00:20:42,233 get one shot could I get two 573 00:20:42,233 --> 00:20:42,600 three four 574 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,433 five and things flopping all over right 575 00:20:45,966 --> 00:20:47,500 um so just things to think about 576 00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:50,833 but we should kind of be at that point to go yeah 577 00:20:50,833 --> 00:20:52,866 that grip wasn't there why 578 00:20:53,333 --> 00:20:54,766 cause I've done it enough 579 00:20:54,766 --> 00:20:56,533 I know what good feels like 580 00:20:56,533 --> 00:21:01,133 I know what bad's not and kind of the last point Mark 581 00:21:01,133 --> 00:21:04,333 is if you're running a red dot 582 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,600 to me a red dot is an invaluable training

tool 583 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:10,800 as well as a uh 584 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:12,800 a tool to get your you know 585 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,766 your site on Target mm hmm 586 00:21:14,766 --> 00:21:16,966 you'll see you'll see exactly what it's doing 587 00:21:16,966 --> 00:21:19,166 yeah much easier to track what that thing's doing 588 00:21:19,166 --> 00:21:20,033 yeah yeah 589 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:22,333 you know if you can start getting in tune with that 590 00:21:22,333 --> 00:21:26,433 all the better and then trim some of the fat off 591 00:21:26,433 --> 00:21:30,300 I don't need perfection on that dot to sit there 592 00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:31,600 stop settle 593 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,600 it's right there either on the X of the bull 594 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,166 or right there in the perforated a of the dude 595 00:21:37,166 --> 00:21:39,166 if it's in my acceptable target area 596 00:21:39,166 --> 00:21:41,000 send it send it 597 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:42,500 that will help guys 598 00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:44,333 cause I see a lot of guys just be hesitant 599 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,633 you can see him trying to adjust and get perfection 600 00:21:47,633 --> 00:21:49,833 dude is it on your acceptable target area 601 00:21:49,833 --> 00:21:51,066 yep send the round 602 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,466 send it send it 603 00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:54,000 so yeah 604 00:21:54,233 --> 00:21:55,133 you know 605 00:21:55,166 --> 00:21:57,733 another piece of that too you brought up earlier 606 00:21:57,733 --> 00:21:58,233 you know hey 607 00:21:58,233 --> 00:21:59,100 are you 608 00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:01,866 uh are you carrying your gun off duty 609 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:02,966 are you you know 610 00:22:02,966 --> 00:22:04,833 working with these other platforms 611 00:22:04,833 --> 00:22:07,833 you know we can't forget that several um 612 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:11,100 non lethal or less lethal items are in your 613 00:22:11,133 --> 00:22:12,066 in your uh 614 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:13,100 toolboxes too 615 00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:15,700 if you're a uniformed services person um 616 00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:17,100 as well as do you go to court 617 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:18,200 I mean uh 618 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:18,900 do you 619 00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:21,333 you go through the different variables of weather 620 00:22:21,333 --> 00:22:22,133 for different clothing 621 00:22:22,133 --> 00:22:24,100 I think those are all really important 622 00:22:24,300 --> 00:22:25,000 do you 623 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,066 do you take things like seated in the car and say hey 624 00:22:29,300 --> 00:22:31,833 is this working for me where my gun's at 625 00:22:31,833 --> 00:22:34,566 am I able to get my seatbelt off still while 626 00:22:34,566 --> 00:22:34,800 you know 627 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,100 manipulating or at least having the gun in my hand 628 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:38,633 all these things you can work on 629 00:22:38,633 --> 00:22:41,233 which we have videos for on this page 630 00:22:41,433 --> 00:22:43,000 on the crew the cruise page 631 00:22:43,533 --> 00:22:45,600 so there's plenty of other things to do 632 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,166 and you know 633 00:22:46,166 --> 00:22:46,900 if you want to say 634 00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:49,100 tactical and shake out some of your stuff 635 00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:51,300 train like we fight kind of thing 636 00:22:51,433 --> 00:22:52,833 there's plenty of things you can do 637 00:22:52,833 --> 00:22:55,600 and like you said with Mike's case 638 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,433 the sheriff he just never been shown that 639 00:22:58,433 --> 00:22:59,966 uh huh you don't have to work 640 00:22:59,966 --> 00:23:01,800 you know getting something out of your pocket 641 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:02,800 you just have to practice it 642 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,600 or learn a way to do it once 643 00:23:04,966 --> 00:23:07,166 and it's at least something that you've done before 644 00:23:07,166 --> 00:23:08,600 it shouldn't be the first time 645 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,800 when he was under terrible circumstances yeah 646 00:23:11,833 --> 00:23:13,533 terrible hard stuff 647 00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:14,733 yeah and he was 648 00:23:14,733 --> 00:23:16,200 you know he was still able to fight through it 649 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,500 but it might have been a heck of a lot 650 00:23:18,833 --> 00:23:21,166 um quicker had he 651 00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:22,900 you know been able to do that kind of stuff 652 00:23:22,966 --> 00:23:24,500 but those those are all great points 653 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,133 um did you want to add on that at all 654 00:23:26,133 --> 00:23:29,166 because I know the train 655 00:23:29,166 --> 00:23:30,400 you know the the um 656 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,700 nightstand drills stuff like that 657 00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:33,433 those are all things we talk about 658 00:23:33,433 --> 00:23:34,933 mm hmm yeah 659 00:23:34,933 --> 00:23:36,400 you just have to look at you 660 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,933 and I think that's what it boils down to 661 00:23:39,333 --> 00:23:41,633 we can give you all kinds of ideas 662 00:23:41,733 --> 00:23:45,166 I'm not you and I don't know what you're doing 663 00:23:45,166 --> 00:23:47,233 what you're not doing um 664 00:23:47,233 --> 00:23:48,800 I know hey 665 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,266 if you've got kids in the house 666 00:23:50,333 --> 00:23:52,100 maybe you keep that gun by the nightstand 667 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:55,333 but it's in a lock box how well can you access that 668 00:23:55,333 --> 00:23:57,766 have you tried that does the wife know how to do it 669 00:23:57,766 --> 00:24:01,233 like all these things play into that training piece 670 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,200 and you go oh 671 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:02,600 Rick I 672 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,033 I got it okay 673 00:24:04,433 --> 00:24:05,933 somebody freaking cracks your door in 674 00:24:05,933 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00:24:07,633 at three in the morning do you got it 675 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,533 do you yeah 676 00:24:09,733 --> 00:24:10,900 and and again 677 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:13,833 it's not trying to sound mean 678 00:24:13,833 --> 00:24:15,233 I'm just gonna say hey 679 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:18,100 what can your life handle it 680 00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:19,400 it's nothing personal 681 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:23,633 but I don't ever wanna be caught short 682 00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:26,233 god forbid I'm in that situation 683 00:24:26,233 --> 00:24:27,433 dude they're getting the gas 684 00:24:27,766 --> 00:24:28,966 they're gonna get a bunch of gas 685 00:24:28,966 --> 00:24:31,500 and they're gonna get it fast on them right 686 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:33,933 when that violent switch when it's time to go 687 00:24:33,933 --> 00:24:37,266 it's time to go but I'm also putting the work in 688 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,633 that's the key part 689 00:24:39,633 --> 00:24:42,000 you don't think that you're gonna sit there 690 00:24:42,033 --> 00:24:44,400 that door's gonna get kicked in at three in the morning 691 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,566 and all of a sudden the Superman capes coming on 692 00:24:47,566 --> 00:24:52,333 it's not either you've got it in a super groggy state 693 00:24:52,966 --> 00:24:55,100 get that mind straight and go to work 694 00:24:55,233 --> 00:24:57,800 or you're gonna sit there and 695 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,233 and potentially have a very bad night 696 00:25:00,366 --> 00:25:02,800 yeah and that should be the goal 697 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,533 you know uh 698 00:25:03,533 --> 00:25:05,033 Marcus Torgerson says it all the time 699 00:25:05,033 --> 00:25:06,133 you know be 700 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,300 be the devil 701 00:25:07,566 --> 00:25:11,533 for someone who comes up on you and intends to do harm 702 00:25:11,766 --> 00:25:13,333 you have to you have to be ready to do that 703 00:25:13,333 --> 00:25:14,466 and here's another thing too 704 00:25:14,733 --> 00:25:18,700 um these type of of scenarios 705 00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:23,733 are catastrophic and someone can get the drop on you 706 00:25:23,733 --> 00:25:27,200 it can go bad right out of the gate anyway 707 00:25:27,333 --> 00:25:30,200 why take the chance why take the chance 708 00:25:30,333 --> 00:25:32,100 put as much training as you can in 709 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:34,300 it doesn't have to be life changing 710 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,833 time of day stuff that you don't have time for 711 00:25:36,833 --> 00:25:38,966 you just have to be consistent with it 712 00:25:38,966 --> 00:25:40,200 and you know 713 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,700 I've been shooting all my life 714 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:44,500 I love those I love those 715 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:45,533 I've been a cop for so many years 716 00:25:45,533 --> 00:25:47,500 well okay bro 717 00:25:48,033 --> 00:25:49,500 that self eval looked 718 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:51,533 it didn't look like it

is that's the case 719 00:25:51,533 --> 00:25:52,566 you know what I mean well 720 00:25:52,566 --> 00:25:53,600 I've never I'm not used to it 721 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,433 what do you mean you're not used to it 722 00:25:54,433 --> 00:25:57,333 it's never gonna go the way you think it's gonna go 723 00:25:57,366 --> 00:25:59,700 ever nope never 724 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,166 why why do they say that 725 00:26:01,166 --> 00:26:03,133 you know a plane doesn't survive first contact 726 00:26:03,133 --> 00:26:04,733 because that's absolute truth 727 00:26:04,733 --> 00:26:05,366 Mike uh 728 00:26:05,366 --> 00:26:06,433 Michael Jordan or um 729 00:26:06,533 --> 00:26:07,900 Mike Tyson dude 730 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:08,633 everybody's got a plan 731 00:26:08,633 --> 00:26:09,933 until they get punched in the face 732 00:26:09,933 --> 00:26:12,000 yeah then it all changes 733 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,600 uh huh 734 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,033 then it all comes down to those fundamental and I guess 735 00:26:16,033 --> 00:26:19,100 basic skills that's when it comes down to 736 00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:20,800 it all comes down to those things 737 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,200 yeah yeah 738 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:23,733 oh good topic 739 00:26:23,733 --> 00:26:25,700 I know we're running we're running a little short 740 00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:26,500 but today 741 00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:28,400 but I wanted to get into a couple other things 742 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,166 yeah buddy 743 00:26:29,166 --> 00:26:30,400 and and you 744 00:26:30,433 --> 00:26:33,200 you kind of spark this idea as you were talking 745 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,466 when you said I'm not trying to be mean 746 00:26:35,933 --> 00:26:38,833 but we've said this before 747 00:26:38,833 --> 00:26:44,933 you have had your entire life to do these things 748 00:26:45,033 --> 00:26:45,833 mm hmm 749 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,200 you have had the entire time that your first baby 750 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,200 or your first night being married 751 00:26:54,333 --> 00:26:58,333 you've had since that moment to do something about this 752 00:26:58,333 --> 00:27:00,266 mm hmm you've had that opportunity 753 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,433 now you're here 754 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,700 this isn't a point that I believe that you can't start 755 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,100 you can start right now that's the beautiful thing 756 00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:12,900 about 1% better every day 757 00:27:13,033 --> 00:27:15,400 mm hmm you can do anything 758 00:27:15,833 --> 00:27:17,466 today for the first time 759 00:27:17,966 --> 00:27:21,133 and we try to tell folks this all the time 760 00:27:21,133 --> 00:27:21,766 and you know 761 00:27:21,766 --> 00:27:24,200 a lot of things when they come up and they talk to us 762 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,700 you gotta give them that kind of um 763 00:27:28,333 --> 00:27:29,100 I you know 764 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:30,566 not literal but a smack in the 765 00:27:30,566 --> 00:27:31,400 in the chops but 766 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,200 hey dude 767 00:27:32,433 --> 00:27:33,900 what you been doing up to this point 768 00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:36,000 what can you do can you do anything yet 769 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,733 have you you know 770 00:27:36,733 --> 00:27:38,133 have you started any fitness program 771 00:27:38,133 --> 00:27:40,833 can you run can you push someone out of the room 772 00:27:40,833 --> 00:27:42,366 where your wife and kids are at 773 00:27:42,366 --> 00:27:43,833 can you do any of that stuff 774 00:27:43,833 --> 00:27:45,000 if you can then okay 775 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,933 you're not starting from ground zero then and 776 00:27:46,933 --> 00:27:48,266 but even if you are 777 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,033 you're gonna be better than you were yesterday or today 778 00:27:51,033 --> 00:27:52,766 uh huh so I'd like to hear your thoughts on that 779 00:27:52,766 --> 00:27:57,033 because we are the consummate positive thinkers 780 00:27:57,033 --> 00:28:00,733 that this can get better from here on out 100% 781 00:28:00,733 --> 00:28:03,233 so it goes back to um 782 00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:05,400 our fitness and firearms if you think about it 783 00:28:06,233 --> 00:28:07,033 uh 784 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,000 unfortunately we launched that thing in January 785 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,366 it had nothing to do with New Year's resolutions right 786 00:28:13,366 --> 00:28:14,433 it just had to do with 787 00:28:14,433 --> 00:28:17,933 that happened to be the time when this thing went out 788 00:28:18,033 --> 00:28:19,433 and you bring up a great point 789 00:28:19,433 --> 00:28:21,533 Mark and I harp this all the time 790 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,200 if you're listening to the show 791 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,400 you haven't got your workout in 792 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,100 you haven't done your dry fire 793 00:28:28,166 --> 00:28:28,933 you haven't done 794 00:28:28,933 --> 00:28:31,433 whatever other things are important to you 795 00:28:31,433 --> 00:28:32,033 you know what 796 00:28:32,033 --> 00:28:33,266 you can still get it done 797 00:28:33,533 --> 00:28:35,300 you can go do it right now 798 00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:37,633 I'm fortunate enough hey man 799 00:28:37,633 --> 00:28:39,100 I got the gym down in the garage 800 00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:42,333 because I did not want to have to sit there 801 00:28:42,333 --> 00:28:44,933 and travel to the gym deal with all that 802 00:28:44,933 --> 00:28:45,366 hey man 803 00:28:45,366 --> 00:28:46,966 it's right there you know what 804 00:28:46,966 --> 00:28:49,666 it's open 24 7 3 65 805 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,566 whenever I need to so 806 00:28:51,566 --> 00:28:51,933 hey man 807 00:28:51,933 --> 00:28:54,100 if something happens I didn't get my 808 00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,100 my morning workout in you know what 809 00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:57,733 I'm either gonna grab it at lunch 810 00:28:57,733 -->

00:29:00,600 at dinner time I'm getting it sometime through the day 811 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,100 right that 812 00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:02,900 that's my staple for me 813 00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:05,166 I need that not only for my fitness level 814 00:29:05,166 --> 00:29:06,133 hey uh 815 00:29:06,133 --> 00:29:08,100 fitness helps with my TBI's 816 00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:11,633 and it's just a good thing to have in your repertoire 817 00:29:11,633 --> 00:29:14,866 because we go back to longevity of life 818 00:29:15,033 --> 00:29:17,300 hey when my grandkids are teenagers 819 00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:18,900 I'm chasing them rascals around 820 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:20,633 I'm gonna go be wrestling with them 821 00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:23,166 locking them up they'd be like grandpa 822 00:29:23,166 --> 00:29:24,233 you got some strength you like 823 00:29:24,233 --> 00:29:27,266 uh huh you ain't seen nothing yet there kiddos 824 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,466 um 825 00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:30,833 same thing goes with the firearms right 826 00:29:30,833 --> 00:29:33,900 that's part of my daily routine 827 00:29:34,133 --> 00:29:35,700 fitness firearms 828 00:29:36,333 --> 00:29:37,933 undisputed you you 829 00:29:37,933 --> 00:29:41,466 you know rarities that I don't uh 830 00:29:41,533 --> 00:29:45,433 but that is a staple in the Warthog everyday 831 00:29:45,433 --> 00:29:46,433 daily dealing 832 00:29:46,966 --> 00:29:48,066 just start 833 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,233 get going today don't wait till tomorrow 834 00:29:51,233 --> 00:29:55,366 Tomorrow's an excuse start today go 835 00:29:55,366 --> 00:29:56,733 what do I need to work on 836 00:29:56,733 --> 00:29:59,900 figure something if you haven't shot the self eval 837 00:29:59,933 --> 00:30:03,933 fine just even you just work pistol presentation right 838 00:30:03,933 --> 00:30:06,233 obviously make sure your drive fire area is cleared 839 00:30:06,233 --> 00:30:07,900 clear out your pistol do all your 840 00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:09,733 all your safe handling there 841 00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:11,266 and just have a plan 842 00:30:11,533 --> 00:30:13,500 even if you don't have a pro timer yet 843 00:30:13,566 --> 00:30:16,100 that mere handgun manipulation 844 00:30:16,133 --> 00:30:18,733 is gonna move the needle more for you 845 00:30:18,733 --> 00:30:20,200 start laying that foundation 846 00:30:20,533 --> 00:30:21,766 then when it's time right 847 00:30:21,766 --> 00:30:23,466 when get out to the range 848 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,600 go shoot your eval get a baseline laid 849 00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:30,300 and then we start actually deep diving into this thing 850 00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:32,633 and crushing it um 851 00:30:32,766 --> 00:30:33,300 but man 852 00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:34,900 you start today man 853 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:39,633 I'm not a fan of arbitrarily some date on the calendar 854 00:30:39,766 --> 00:30:40,733 start now 855 00:30:42,366 --> 00:30:43,866 heck be listening to

show 856 00:30:43,966 --> 00:30:45,633 be doing something I'm good with it 857 00:30:45,633 --> 00:30:46,833 right yeah 858 00:30:47,233 --> 00:30:48,300 not yourself out 859 00:30:48,533 --> 00:30:51,966 hey there's a live coming up next week on the crew page 860 00:30:51,966 --> 00:30:55,200 I'm gonna have my I'm gonna scrub all the ammunition 861 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,033 out of this particular room 862 00:30:56,033 --> 00:30:57,500 I'm gonna watch it and while I'm doing that 863 00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:59,300 I'm gonna do some firearms manipulation 864 00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:00,500 that's it or 865 00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:02,366 or even just listening to it right 866 00:31:02,366 --> 00:31:03,233 yeah I 867 00:31:03,233 --> 00:31:05,666 I mean that's right 868 00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:07,733 so I like it I 869 00:31:07,733 --> 00:31:10,266 I noticed there's a lot of chat in the um 870 00:31:10,766 --> 00:31:12,800 a lot of messages going back about the suppressors 871 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,800 Jeff he's in there 872 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,300 Brian's in there Ken's in there 873 00:31:15,366 --> 00:31:17,300 and they were talking about the suppressors 874 00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:18,200 also my 875 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,933 one of my kids called me my oldest boy 876 00:31:20,933 --> 00:31:22,733 super proud of him he said hey 877 00:31:23,133 --> 00:31:25,000 where I'm at I can go down there with the 878 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,633 and he said something about the Gun Owners of America 879 00:31:27,633 --> 00:31:28,633 you had to have a 880 00:31:29,766 --> 00:31:31,333 something because there was an injunction filed 881 00:31:31,333 --> 00:31:32,333 I don't know about that or not 882 00:31:32,333 --> 00:31:35,300 but it may that might have been a sales pitch by Val 883 00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:36,566 no no 884 00:31:36,566 --> 00:31:41,066 so this whole thing nobody knows 885 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:41,500 yeah right 886 00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:45,100 so so we're in very much 887 00:31:45,533 --> 00:31:46,700 some people will say charted 888 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:48,766 I'm gonna say we're still in uncharted waters 889 00:31:48,766 --> 00:31:50,200 because some things make sense 890 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,800 some things don't um 891 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,533 so what he was saying with the Gun Owners of America 892 00:31:53,533 --> 00:31:56,133 so what they're saying is if you're a 893 00:31:56,133 --> 00:31:59,333 a Goa member because they filed the suit 894 00:31:59,433 --> 00:32:01,233 that's right okay 895 00:32:01,233 --> 00:32:05,233 so now where's the Goa card coming hey 896 00:32:05,233 --> 00:32:06,633 I got one of these 897 00:32:07,433 --> 00:32:08,733 the first thing I would have said is 898 00:32:08,733 --> 00:32:10,100 all these guys in the line 899 00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:11,866 they're Goa members no 900 00:32:12,566 --> 00:32:14,733 you know so I don't know how we're gonna do that 901 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:15,900 yeah um 902 00:32:16,333 --> 00:32:18,500 I don't know so like 903 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:20,733 as it sits right now North Carolina 904 00:32:20,733 --> 00:32:23,833 even though we're NFA friendly 905 00:32:24,433 --> 00:32:25,733 North Carolina still saying hey 906 00:32:25,733 --> 00:32:27,100 you gotta go through the form 4 907 00:32:27,133 --> 00:32:27,700 yeah so 908 00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:29,166 I think Ohio is the same way 909 00:32:29,166 --> 00:32:30,100 pretty sure about that so 910 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,500 so it's just it 911 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:32,933 we're in some confusing times 912 00:32:32,933 --> 00:32:36,400 so the form 4 has been there since this thing 913 00:32:36,566 --> 00:32:38,766 how is it some states don't need it 914 00:32:38,766 --> 00:32:40,400 some states do I don't know 915 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,133 if there's something I 916 00:32:42,133 --> 00:32:44,633 I doubt there's anything in the state constitution 917 00:32:44,633 --> 00:32:47,000 I haven't dug that deep uh 918 00:32:47,366 --> 00:32:50,300 to look into it but I don't know 919 00:32:50,333 --> 00:32:51,933 but how was I wouldn't think so 920 00:32:51,933 --> 00:32:52,733 I mean 921 00:32:53,566 --> 00:32:54,800 I don't know they'd have to vote on that 922 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,833 I guess I don't know 923 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:57,333 I don't know yeah 924 00:32:57,333 --> 00:32:57,966 and and 925 00:32:57,966 --> 00:32:58,333 and again I'm 926 00:32:58,333 --> 00:33:00,633 I'm speaking unintelligent on this 927 00:33:00,633 --> 00:33:02,633 because when the ruling came down 928 00:33:02,633 --> 00:33:03,800 I'm like great 929 00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:05,600 we're at NFA friendly state 930 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,233 I'm like there goes the form 4 931 00:33:07,233 --> 00:33:09,366 and then all of a sudden the gun shops like nope 932 00:33:09,366 --> 00:33:10,833 we're still gonna bring the form 4 933 00:33:10,966 --> 00:33:11,800 so hey Jeff 934 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,966 uh sorry Rick 935 00:33:12,966 --> 00:33:13,300 hey Jeff 936 00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:14,600 if you're on there did 937 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,900 is Ohio included in that let me know in the chat 938 00:33:18,366 --> 00:33:19,733 I don't think so go ahead buddy 939 00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:20,200 no but 940 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,666 but I'm just saying I'm 941 00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:23,100 I'm confused 942 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,300 so if I don't have to go to the ATF anymore and go 943 00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:29,633 mother may I have a suppressor 944 00:33:29,766 --> 00:33:31,500 then why am I doing a form four 945 00:33:31,833 --> 00:33:34,100 it's still a ATF form yeah right 946 00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:37,700 so I'm I'm a little confused on the ruling 947 00:33:37,733 --> 00:33:38,733 um yeah 948 00:33:38,733 --> 00:33:42,900 then then you got some states going um 949 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:48,533 OK you can only buy certain ones from like 950

00:33:49,433 --> 00:33:53,033 silencer shop or I'm just like the okay 951 00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:55,200 we're in Bizarro World the bottom line is 952 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,300 nobody really knows what the deal is 953 00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:00,200 yeah I would like to sit there and think 954 00:34:00,766 --> 00:34:04,866 hey that piece of the NFA is gone 955 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,933 and suppressors will now become an item where hey 956 00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:09,533 still do your background check 957 00:34:09,533 --> 00:34:12,433 fill out 44 73 no more ATF mother 958 00:34:12,433 --> 00:34:14,633 may I and out the door you go 959 00:34:14,833 --> 00:34:15,666 um 960 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,233 it it 961 00:34:17,233 --> 00:34:18,800 it's like it is uncharted 962 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,100 because it it's been like this for so long that um 963 00:34:23,333 --> 00:34:26,266 it seems to be moving it seems to be moving 964 00:34:26,933 --> 00:34:27,533 but you dude 965 00:34:27,533 --> 00:34:28,200 that can stop 966 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,533 that can stop with the next administration 967 00:34:29,533 --> 00:34:30,966 it could you could do all kinds of things 968 00:34:30,966 --> 00:34:34,333 but getting these rulings done um 969 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,500 I think it's a good thing 970 00:34:36,700 --> 00:34:38,033 it's just clarity of the law 971 00:34:38,033 --> 00:34:38,833 like exactly 972 00:34:39,033 --> 00:34:40,933 people don't know well 973 00:34:40,933 --> 00:34:45,700 how is it you've got 23 states can do 974 00:34:45,733 --> 00:34:46,533 you know 975 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,533 basically a 44 73 background check throughout the door 976 00:34:50,533 --> 00:34:51,333 yeah 977 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,233 in those states like 978 00:34:53,233 --> 00:34:54,833 for example North Carolina 979 00:34:55,166 --> 00:34:56,600 with your concealed carry 980 00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:58,433 you don't do a background check 981 00:34:58,733 --> 00:35:00,333 you're already covered hmm 982 00:35:00,433 --> 00:35:02,000 so does that still apply 983 00:35:02,633 --> 00:35:03,966 you know for your suppressors 984 00:35:03,966 --> 00:35:04,933 I I don't 985 00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:07,966 I don't know I'd like to have Bill back on 986 00:35:07,966 --> 00:35:09,366 from a Second Amendment Foundation 987 00:35:09,366 --> 00:35:11,766 maybe have Val back on from a gun owners America 988 00:35:11,766 --> 00:35:13,666 have them in um 989 00:35:13,933 --> 00:35:14,900 maybe they can you know 990 00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:17,733 shed some light on it just some clarity 991 00:35:18,033 --> 00:35:19,033 you know and just give 992 00:35:19,033 --> 00:35:20,633 just give us the lowdown man 993 00:35:20,733 --> 00:35:22,900 and and it might be where 994 00:35:23,533 --> 00:35:26,233 again I don't know specifically 995 00:35:26,233 --> 00:35:28,600 does the state have something on the back side 996 00:35:28,833 --> 00:35:30,700 but I wouldn't think the state

would have anything 997 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,966 like that why do you gotta do a form four 998 00:35:33,966 --> 00:35:35,933 I'm still I'm still baffled on that 999 00:35:35,933 --> 00:35:39,533 yeah so my understanding was that there wasn't a ruling 1000 00:35:39,533 --> 00:35:40,933 it was just an injunction filed right 1001 00:35:40,933 --> 00:35:42,233 and then they the courts 1002 00:35:42,233 --> 00:35:43,100 you know accepted it 1003 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:44,366 something like that mm hmm 1004 00:35:44,366 --> 00:35:46,166 um and then they were able to do some 1005 00:35:46,166 --> 00:35:48,500 some things but they had seven 1006 00:35:48,766 --> 00:35:50,200 yeah they had seven days 1007 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:50,800 yeah to 1008 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,300 to put a ruling they 1009 00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:54,000 they did nothing they let it roll 1010 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,000 mm hmm so then in turn 1011 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,700 it's like alright cool 1012 00:35:57,166 --> 00:35:59,100 this thing's done yeah 1013 00:35:59,333 --> 00:36:00,966 but then like you said 1014 00:36:00,966 --> 00:36:01,633 oh well 1015 00:36:01,633 --> 00:36:03,133 it only applies to Goa members 1016 00:36:03,133 --> 00:36:05,466 because Goa was the one that filed 1017 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:07,466 yeah OK 1018 00:36:07,566 --> 00:36:07,800 yeah that 1019 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,800 that's bizarre then it's like alright 1020 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,800 these 23 states don't need a form for OK 1021 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,433 but these guys do that that makes zero sense 1022 00:36:16,566 --> 00:36:17,900 um what are we doing 1023 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:19,100 yeah yeah 1024 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:20,033 so to and 1025 00:36:20,033 --> 00:36:21,300 and to be honest with you Mark 1026 00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:22,266 I haven't 1027 00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:27,266 um I haven't put the time or effort into really knowing 1028 00:36:27,433 --> 00:36:29,366 I got other things going on and 1029 00:36:29,366 --> 00:36:31,733 and not to sound um 1030 00:36:32,033 --> 00:36:33,600 like the the ignorant American 1031 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,433 but I also know it's some 1032 00:36:35,433 --> 00:36:36,733 some uncharted territory 1033 00:36:36,733 --> 00:36:38,800 and there's gonna be some dust that needs to settle 1034 00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:41,400 to figure out what the the full ruling is gonna be 1035 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,300 so yeah 1036 00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:44,133 kind of let that roll and go from there 1037 00:36:44,833 --> 00:36:47,633 for those of you who are listening and not viewing this 1038 00:36:47,633 --> 00:36:49,733 and not realizing that this is a 1039 00:36:50,133 --> 00:36:52,233 this is a live broadcast on the crew page 1040 00:36:52,533 --> 00:36:54,300 even though you're listening to it on 1041 00:36:54,366 --> 00:36:55,700 you know Podbean or 1042 00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:58,100 or Spotify or Apple Podcast 1043 00:36:58,433 --> 00:37:00,233 this is going out live 1044 00:37:00,933 --> 00:37:03,300 and the crew members if you're a crew member 1045 00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:04,900 all you gotta do is go and join up 1046 00:37:05,166 --> 00:37:08,100 you get to join the live broadcast chat room 1047 00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:09,233 that's what we're kind of talking about 1048 00:37:09,233 --> 00:37:10,933 with some of the crew members 1049 00:37:10,933 --> 00:37:12,133 and speaking of crew members 1050 00:37:12,133 --> 00:37:15,000 I got two things I need to get some housekeeping here 1051 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,566 Rick because I think it's important 1052 00:37:16,566 --> 00:37:18,133 and you and I you're gonna love it 1053 00:37:18,133 --> 00:37:18,900 you're gonna love it 1054 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:20,733 you and I have been bringing this up for several weeks 1055 00:37:20,733 --> 00:37:22,866 and in months let's say months 1056 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,200 and someone asked about it today so 1057 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,833 but for the the newest of the new crew members 1058 00:37:28,833 --> 00:37:29,900 we got the HOF 1059 00:37:30,433 --> 00:37:31,533 uh Spencer t 1060 00:37:31,533 --> 00:37:34,233 Jordy Karen Mototech 1061 00:37:34,233 --> 00:37:36,300 I like it Eric s 1062 00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,333 Felipe Timothy V B 1063 00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:41,666 Mickey B Mickey 1064 00:37:43,433 --> 00:37:45,233 you think some of these are made up 1065 00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:47,866 no no 1066 00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:48,700 oh what 1067 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,333 they're some good ones too man 1068 00:37:50,333 --> 00:37:51,800 crew members are freaking smart 1069 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,433 CB Kate L 1070 00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:55,966 Jamison Anthony v Mr 1071 00:37:55,966 --> 00:37:57,000 Biggs with a Z 1072 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,233 I like it uh 1073 00:37:58,233 --> 00:38:00,233 Brunson P Janet 1074 00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:02,300 Greg Gibson video creator 1075 00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:03,800 $1 Bill 1076 00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:05,533 uh he's a high roller 1077 00:38:05,533 --> 00:38:06,966 I guess uh huh uh 1078 00:38:06,966 --> 00:38:08,500 ma maw uh 1079 00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:10,300 classic rock girl 84 1080 00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:11,366 like it uh 1081 00:38:11,366 --> 00:38:12,533 Michael B uh 1082 00:38:12,533 --> 00:38:15,500 Christopher L I think lilane 1083 00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:16,800 I think we got all those folks last week 1084 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,633 but big shout out to you 1085 00:38:18,633 --> 00:38:20,433 none of this could happen without the crew members 1086 00:38:20,433 --> 00:38:23,466 Rick and we like to kick a huge shout out to them 1087 00:38:23,633 --> 00:38:24,233 yeah man 1088 00:38:24,233 --> 00:38:26,300 free the tier levels uh 1089 00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:26,966 like you said you 1090 00:38:26,966 --> 00:38:27,766 you alluded to it 1091 00:38:27,766 --> 00:38:30,333 you put out a little bread crumb this Monday 1092 00:38:30,533

--> 00:38:32,833 all you free members and all you um 1093 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,933 folks who are sitting on the fence who aren't 1094 00:38:34,933 --> 00:38:36,866 are just joining in on the lives 1095 00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:40,433 big news coming so we'll post that up on Monday 1096 00:38:40,433 --> 00:38:42,000 and it's gonna be uh 1097 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,066 your opportunity to take advantage of it 1098 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,733 uh so got a 1099 00:38:45,733 --> 00:38:47,933 a message in the mailbox 1100 00:38:48,766 --> 00:38:49,866 uh let me see here 1101 00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:51,666 do we have the mailbag 1102 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,033 yeah contact on the range at on the range podcast.com 1103 00:38:55,033 --> 00:38:59,366 or mailbag at on the range podcast.com uh 1104 00:38:59,366 --> 00:39:00,800 you can send us questions 1105 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,500 they asked about the range day 1106 00:39:03,033 --> 00:39:04,233 they asked about the range day 1107 00:39:04,233 --> 00:39:04,333 and 1108 00:39:04,333 --> 00:39:05,966 they want to know if we're going to do one this fall 1109 00:39:05,966 --> 00:39:06,766 well 1110 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:08,700 we haven't this is 1111 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:11,166 Rick is just he's being blindsided by this right now 1112 00:39:11,166 --> 00:39:13,500 um he's just hearing this um 1113 00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:15,100 I don't know I don't know 1114 00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:16,800 I mean there's only so many months left 1115 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,433 I know Rick and I have two weeks coming up together uh 1116 00:39:20,433 --> 00:39:21,533 in the Midwest 1117 00:39:21,933 --> 00:39:23,700 and we're doing some collabs and some stuff 1118 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,200 and we talked about that 1119 00:39:25,433 --> 00:39:27,800 make sure you get up here for October 2nd and 3rd 1120 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,300 there's a pistol day and then the third is a rifle day 1121 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,500 and it's open enrollment open enrollment 1122 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:35,166 we'd love to see some crew members there 1123 00:39:35,166 --> 00:39:36,166 but we'd love to see anybody 1124 00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:37,466 who's looking for some training 1125 00:39:37,733 --> 00:39:39,400 we haven't been in Ohio in a couple years 1126 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,800 so this is a perfect opportunity 1127 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,933 go to warhog.com and sign up again October 2nd 1128 00:39:45,333 --> 00:39:47,300 October 2 and October 3rd 1129 00:39:47,766 --> 00:39:48,833 that's when we're gonna do those 1130 00:39:48,833 --> 00:39:50,333 either one if you wanna do them both 1131 00:39:50,333 --> 00:39:51,300 even better 1132 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,200 but you'll get a copy of the Firearms Training Notebook 1133 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,300 and go through the whole um 1134 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,800 markmanship program and it's gonna be great 1135 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,400 but like 1136 00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,566 to hear your thoughts on the 1137 00:39:59,566 --> 00:40:01,400 the crew day initial thoughts 1138 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,066 we'll have to talk about if that's gonna 1139 00:40:03,566 --> 00:40:06,066 so here's the thing crew members 1140 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,733 we've been asking since 1141 00:40:09,733 --> 00:40:11,400 around the beginning of the year 1142 00:40:12,233 --> 00:40:17,633 you guys pick a date you guys let us know 1143 00:40:17,766 --> 00:40:19,500 cause we were even flexible 1144 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:22,000 it doesn't have to be the NC range day 1145 00:40:22,133 --> 00:40:24,533 we can shift it somewhere else 1146 00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:26,300 we were good with that 1147 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,066 but again 1148 00:40:28,633 --> 00:40:31,233 when's the day when do you want it 1149 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,500 where do you want it 1150 00:40:33,166 --> 00:40:33,566 I'm I'm 1151 00:40:33,566 --> 00:40:36,133 I'm gonna put some premise back on you guys 1152 00:40:36,133 --> 00:40:37,266 here's what we got 1153 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,600 pretty much cricket so 1154 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,066 so we're going when's the day 1155 00:40:45,333 --> 00:40:45,800 hey guys 1156 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,500 talk collectively yeah 1157 00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:48,900 that was the whole intent 1158 00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:53,500 was crew members behind the scenes figure out 1159 00:40:53,766 --> 00:40:56,100 because we can sit there and go 1160 00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:56,566 hey man 1161 00:40:56,566 --> 00:40:57,633 let's do it what do we do it 1162 00:40:57,633 --> 00:40:59,433 last year in June whoa 1163 00:40:59,766 --> 00:41:02,966 smoking it was like being on the face of the sun 1164 00:41:02,966 --> 00:41:04,733 great day oh dude 1165 00:41:04,733 --> 00:41:05,933 but but it was just 1166 00:41:05,933 --> 00:41:07,366 they hung in there they hung in 1167 00:41:07,366 --> 00:41:09,066 they hung in there without a doubt 1168 00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:10,600 um and we're like 1169 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,166 hey man 1170 00:41:11,166 --> 00:41:12,100 what are you guys thinking 1171 00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:14,100 so does the summer work better 1172 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:15,966 cause you guys have more time 1173 00:41:15,966 --> 00:41:17,000 got vacation 1174 00:41:17,533 --> 00:41:21,133 we've been asking this question for a while months 1175 00:41:21,166 --> 00:41:23,200 months what a blast that was 1176 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,266 and I tell you what it was so 1177 00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:28,500 it was so hot that second part of the day that 1178 00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:29,700 I mean dude 1179 00:41:29,933 --> 00:41:32,766 we had some great gifts and that's another thing too 1180 00:41:32,766 --> 00:41:35,266 folks we usually have prizes 1181 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,833 mm hmm and this isn't 1182 00:41:36,833 --> 00:41:39,766 this isn't crap this is good stuff 1183 00:41:39,766 -->

00:41:42,666 and we had a couple of really good prizes 1184 00:41:42,966 --> 00:41:44,366 and dude 1185 00:41:44,366 --> 00:41:45,366 they it was a 10 1186 00:41:45,366 --> 00:41:46,300 what was it 10 shots 1187 00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:48,533 and you had 10 minutes to do it or something like that 1188 00:41:48,533 --> 00:41:49,733 mm hmm uh 1189 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,133 countdown clock started you know 1190 00:41:52,133 --> 00:41:53,633 we're kind of keep keeping an eye on the line 1191 00:41:53,633 --> 00:41:56,233 I turned to look at you to say something 1192 00:41:56,233 --> 00:41:59,033 and I look back and five of the guys were already done 1193 00:41:59,033 --> 00:42:01,200 because they were just wanting to get out of the sun 1194 00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:02,100 yeah 1195 00:42:02,733 --> 00:42:04,266 are we good I want that prize 1196 00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:05,733 oh it was 1197 00:42:05,733 --> 00:42:06,366 it was great what 1198 00:42:06,366 --> 00:42:07,966 what a good time that was and 1199 00:42:07,966 --> 00:42:08,433 but yeah 1200 00:42:08,433 --> 00:42:09,800 we'll have to talk about it 1201 00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:11,500 I would love to have a crew day 1202 00:42:11,766 --> 00:42:13,233 here's the thing guys right 1203 00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:16,233 I'm gonna put it as plain as this 1204 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,200 please you guys collectively talk 1205 00:42:20,633 --> 00:42:22,433 whoever posed the question 1206 00:42:22,566 --> 00:42:24,066 Wanna be the ringleader 1207 00:42:24,233 --> 00:42:26,833 if you guys wanna set up a chat somewhere 1208 00:42:27,133 --> 00:42:29,266 and compare dates 1209 00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:30,933 excuse me 1210 00:42:30,933 --> 00:42:33,533 because if we arbitrarily throw the date out there 1211 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,233 and we get you know 1212 00:42:36,233 --> 00:42:38,866 let's say eight crew members interested 1213 00:42:39,133 --> 00:42:41,033 and you go seven of them go well 1214 00:42:41,033 --> 00:42:42,066 that ain't gonna work 1215 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,500 well that's kind of 1216 00:42:44,633 --> 00:42:46,133 you know wasted time there 1217 00:42:46,133 --> 00:42:47,033 so guys 1218 00:42:47,033 --> 00:42:50,133 please do some chatting amongst yourself 1219 00:42:50,833 --> 00:42:53,733 let's figure out a date we would love nothing more 1220 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,433 but like Mark saying um 1221 00:42:56,433 --> 00:42:58,400 the years it's getting squished 1222 00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,833 it's getting short yep 1223 00:42:59,833 --> 00:43:01,700 real quick and 1224 00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:04,833 a G H hats off to you buddy 1225 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,833 hats off for sending that message 1226 00:43:06,833 --> 00:43:09,433 because if this happens it's all because of you pal 1227 00:43:09,733 --> 00:43:11,200 um really appreciate it 1228 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,866 and being on top of that but 1229 00:43:12,933 --> 00:43:13,866 oh man 1230 00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:14,633

yeah maybe 1231 00:43:14,633 --> 00:43:16,633 maybe GH maybe GH takes 1232 00:43:16,633 --> 00:43:18,100 takes the bull by the horns 1233 00:43:18,566 --> 00:43:19,733 go hit the uh 1234 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,300 go hit the page hey man 1235 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,900 say what date works for you 1236 00:43:24,933 --> 00:43:25,566 yeah and then 1237 00:43:25,566 --> 00:43:26,233 and then oh 1238 00:43:26,233 --> 00:43:28,100 by the way are you based in North Carolina 1239 00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:30,200 does North Carolina work for a place 1240 00:43:30,333 --> 00:43:31,266 yeah um 1241 00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:33,633 you know we're flexible 1242 00:43:34,033 --> 00:43:35,100 as far as you know 1243 00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:36,600 hey can we go somewhere else 1244 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,433 sure if they can support 1245 00:43:38,766 --> 00:43:40,100 mm hmm you know 1246 00:43:40,166 --> 00:43:40,533 yeah I 1247 00:43:40,533 --> 00:43:41,566 I think you're right about that 1248 00:43:41,566 --> 00:43:43,766 I think we have a G H and I'll send him an email 1249 00:43:43,766 --> 00:43:45,000 if he's not listening right now 1250 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,100 or listens uh 1251 00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:48,200 tomorrow when this goes out on the page 1252 00:43:48,833 --> 00:43:50,700 and give him some leeway you know what 1253 00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:51,633 you've earned it pal 1254 00:43:51,633 --> 00:43:54,266 if you got some input and you wanna be 1255 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,633 you know throwing the 1256 00:43:55,633 --> 00:43:57,400 the main steaks in the ground 1257 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,600 I'm down with it all 1258 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,366 we gotta do is make sure it works for us 1259 00:44:00,366 --> 00:44:02,700 and we'll be there there's no question about that 1260 00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:03,933 yeah so yeah 1261 00:44:03,933 --> 00:44:04,866 I like it 1262 00:44:05,566 --> 00:44:06,600 another thing too 1263 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,333 go check out the uh 1264 00:44:09,333 --> 00:44:10,200 I had the uh 1265 00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:12,766 the website up there on the range podcast.com 1266 00:44:12,766 --> 00:44:15,600 go check out the shop we got some new shirts on there 1267 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,833 I'm gonna mess around with some other stuff 1268 00:44:18,233 --> 00:44:19,366 and we're gonna get it out there 1269 00:44:19,366 --> 00:44:21,733 but we're gonna start supporting some of the events 1270 00:44:21,733 --> 00:44:23,066 and some of the things 1271 00:44:23,166 --> 00:44:25,000 through the merch and the memberships if 1272 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,300 if we think things are going the way they are 1273 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,166 including the book and uh 1274 00:44:29,166 --> 00:44:29,766 yeah make sure 1275 00:44:29,766 --> 00:44:30,900 you know you want to support the show 1276 00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:32,300 you know join one of the um 1277 00:44:32,766 --> 00:44:36,766 the supporter or the support plus tears to

help us out 1278 00:44:36,766 --> 00:44:39,033 and that's how we pay for all these things 1279 00:44:39,033 --> 00:44:40,400 that's how we pay for the production 1280 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,733 that's how we pay for the 1281 00:44:41,733 --> 00:44:43,000 the events that we go to 1282 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,933 and the places that we record at 1283 00:44:44,933 --> 00:44:45,966 so make sure you check that out 1284 00:44:45,966 --> 00:44:47,366 but go check out the shop on 1285 00:44:47,366 --> 00:44:49,200 on the range podcast dot com 1286 00:44:49,533 --> 00:44:52,433 forward slash shop and go check out some of the merch 1287 00:44:52,433 --> 00:44:54,200 it's some good stuff but good show buddy 1288 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,533 I know you gotta head out 1289 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,400 uh 1290 00:44:56,533 --> 00:44:57,566 tell everybody we said hello 1291 00:44:57,566 --> 00:44:59,333 and be safe but always 1292 00:44:59,333 --> 00:44:59,633 yeah man 1293 00:44:59,633 --> 00:45:01,366 great show today yeah 1294 00:45:01,366 --> 00:45:03,833 and crew members thank you guys 1295 00:45:03,833 --> 00:45:07,666 we couldn't do without your support and give us 1296 00:45:07,766 --> 00:45:09,933 we feed off of your feedback 1297 00:45:09,933 --> 00:45:11,266 so for example 1298 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,000 the behind the scenes little video 1299 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,866 what do you think of it let us know 1300 00:45:15,166 --> 00:45:16,600 trust me we got thick skin 1301 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,800 you're like hey Rick 1302 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:18,966 that was the dumbest thing ever 1303 00:45:18,966 --> 00:45:20,900 Roger that we'll move to something else 1304 00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:22,700 but but just don't tell me it's the dumbest thing ever 1305 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:24,433 go give me something 1306 00:45:24,433 --> 00:45:27,733 give me some type of input to go hey 1307 00:45:27,733 --> 00:45:30,700 I would like to have seen this or that or whatever 1308 00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:32,966 uh we are here for you guys 1309 00:45:32,966 --> 00:45:36,766 yeah and we're happy for anybody that joins in and uh 1310 00:45:36,766 --> 00:45:38,300 listens to it and comments 1311 00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:40,933 you know we had one guy said crap 1312 00:45:43,566 --> 00:45:45,366 just crap uh no 1313 00:45:45,366 --> 00:45:46,333 he didn't elaborate on it 1314 00:45:46,333 --> 00:45:48,400 but I enjoyed that it was a lot of fun and 1315 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,333 and I uh 1316 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:50,533 you know yeah 1317 00:45:50,533 --> 00:45:51,733 of course I just moved on 1318 00:45:51,733 --> 00:45:52,700 but it was funny 1319 00:45:53,233 --> 00:45:54,000 appreciate you pal 1320 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,266 for helping out the the algorithm 1321 00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:57,733 ha ha 1322 00:45:58,900 --> 00:45:59,900 oh man 1323 00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:02,133 so everybody that joined in 1324 00:46:02,133 --> 00:46:05,300 I can see a lot

more people joined in than actually um 1325 00:46:05,733 --> 00:46:08,033 texted on the chat take advantage of the chat 1326 00:46:08,033 --> 00:46:09,633 but you don't have to you can just listen 1327 00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:12,033 uh it's been a real good show and um 1328 00:46:12,033 --> 00:46:13,233 we love doing these lives 1329 00:46:13,233 --> 00:46:14,400 and I think this is gonna be 1330 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,333 if we can make it happen um 1331 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,566 even if we have to do it Singleton 1332 00:46:17,566 --> 00:46:19,433 if someone's you know unavailable 1333 00:46:19,733 --> 00:46:20,300 um I 1334 00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:21,133 if you you know 1335 00:46:21,133 --> 00:46:24,800 crew members let us know if you think tell us yeah 1336 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,333 tell us yeah 1337 00:46:26,333 --> 00:46:30,200 so it at the end of when this gets posted to the page 1338 00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:32,666 leave us some type of comment 1339 00:46:32,766 --> 00:46:33,400 hey man 1340 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,300 like it don't like it 1341 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,333 uh do this 1342 00:46:36,333 --> 00:46:37,400 do that hey 1343 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,400 if you want some topics for us to cover 1344 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,433 this is our crew so again 1345 00:46:43,433 --> 00:46:45,833 we feed off of what you guys tell us 1346 00:46:45,833 --> 00:46:47,766 very similar to NC range or let me 1347 00:46:47,766 --> 00:46:49,100 I want to call it NC Range day 1348 00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:50,433 yeah range day 1349 00:46:50,566 --> 00:46:52,500 uh huh we feed off of you guys 1350 00:46:52,833 --> 00:46:54,333 if you don't tell us anything 1351 00:46:54,633 --> 00:46:56,100 we're gonna run with what we think 1352 00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:57,066 so that's right 1353 00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:58,866 that's right yeah 1354 00:46:59,533 --> 00:47:00,433 oh man 1355 00:47:00,766 --> 00:47:02,533 crew members you make all this possible 1356 00:47:02,533 --> 00:47:05,900 and you make it a blast so thank you for being here 1357 00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:07,600 and make sure that you uh 1358 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,166 tell your friends share these pages and these videos 1359 00:47:11,166 --> 00:47:11,966 when they uh 1360 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,400 go to all the members on the page 1361 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,066 they're public at that point 1362 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,833 but if you guys are just getting the uh 1363 00:47:17,833 --> 00:47:19,166 emails you typically 1364 00:47:19,166 --> 00:47:20,733 that's just gonna be uh 1365 00:47:20,733 --> 00:47:21,633 for you for the 1366 00:47:21,633 --> 00:47:23,333 the crew members yourselves 1367 00:47:23,366 --> 00:47:26,200 you get exclusive access to that stuff first at least 1368 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,833 and the majority of the other content 1369 00:47:27,833 --> 00:47:30,400 but if it goes out on a clip or something like that 1370 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,966 it's a show it's usually free 1371 00:47:31,966 --> 00:47:34,500 so share that put that on pages and 1372 00:47:34,633 --> 00:47:35,833 and send those to your friends 1373 00:47:35,833 --> 00:47:37,533 and if they would enjoy this content 1374 00:47:37,533 --> 00:47:38,900 but we really have a blast 1375 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,633 and like always Rick 1376 00:47:40,633 --> 00:47:42,200 those of you who are listening 1377 00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:45,133 and watching on other platforms uh 1378 00:47:45,133 --> 00:47:46,366 thank you for making this part of your day 1379 00:47:46,366 --> 00:47:48,033 but you know what the crew members 1380 00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:49,633 the show can continues 1381 00:47:49,633 --> 00:47:52,033 for the crew members over on the crew members page 1382 00:47:52,133 --> 00:47:53,166 and for the rest of you guys 1383 00:47:53,166 --> 00:47:54,566 don't forget train hard 1384 00:47:54,566 --> 00:47:57,333 stay safe and we'll see you on the range