Full Transcript for Frogwares' Sherlock Holmes series, the Wishmaster movies and button-bashing sports games (ReBoot s1e8)

there's no there's not really any Sherlock Holmes backstory, so they make up all this backstory where he grew he sort of grew up on this island and something bad happened to his mum and he's blocked it out, so you're kind of like uncovering his memories. 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:07.039 But also, so Watson in that game is an imaginary friend because he's not met Watson yet in the story, but he's got an imaginary friend called John. 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:13.680 So you walk into a room, Watson will just be like standing somewhere weird or doing something weird because he's not really there. 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:14.960 But it's really interesting. 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:18.079 It's uh yeah, that actually might be a massive twist. 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:19.439 I'm sure it's not though. 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:27.199 I'm sure like I'm sure we find out fairly early on that like he's not real, and then it at the end this is a spoiler. 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:31.439 At the end of the game, he sort of goes to London and meets actual Watson. 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:35.519 It's like, oh but then does he go, I had an imaginary friend, it was you. 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:36.879 No, I don't think so. 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:37.600 I don't know. 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:39.680 But I liked the atmosphere of that one. 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:41.920 I found the Cthulhu one. 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:48.720 I think a lot like a lot of Cthulhu things where it's like well, a lot of things where it's like tying into another IP. 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:53.600 I think it was a better idea, it's better as an idea than an execution, I found. 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:57.279 But you're probably still playing it, so maybe you don't think that I'm probably still playing it. 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:10.079 I'm sort of playing with a walkthrough because I don't have time to play it properly because I struggle with these sorts of things because they because this one's very similar, and because it's got it's very similar to Thinking City. 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:12.560 But thinking city had shooting it. 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:23.439 But essentially the way it works is you go around, you talk to a lot of people, you look at a lot of items, and then you have to go to your mind palace and it says, Who kidnapped Kim? 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:27.199 Kim here, yeah, and it basically just lays all your evidence out. 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:32.720 And if you're not paying attention, like I wasn't, you just click on anything until it sticks. 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:35.600 Which is what it was doing. 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:40.959 And then on the next level, I was I spent like an hour just wandering around because I couldn't work out. 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.879 I forgot that you have to pin evidence so you can then go back and talk to someone. 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:46.079 Anyway, it's quite long. 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.360 It's quite the competitive yeah, that it is quite a confusing mechanic. 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:53.360 The way I quite like the bit that in this when you have Cthulhu vision. 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:54.480 Yes. 00:05:55.600 --> 00:06:06.639 And then when you have Cthulhu vision, you sort of imagine maybe he he sort of picks up mannequins and is or maybe he was fighting this man, or maybe the man was just walking away. 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:12.639 It's like when Batman Batman the Orkin games when he used to rebuild crime scenes, and that was always quite fun. 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:16.240 Yes, I always like the quantine bits in Batman. 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:17.279 Looking at the games. 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.279 To tie into last episode, there is a good lockpick level. 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:22.079 What did you do? 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.199 Okay, to remind me, because I was trying to think of the lockpick in Sherlock Holmes. 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:25.839 I can't remember. 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:36.000 What do what do you do in So in this one you see the inside of the lock and you have to bend a bit of wires so that it pushes the tumblers up. 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:37.199 It's not very accurate. 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:40.240 No, but it's more like it was enough, it was fun. 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:41.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:44.160 Yeah, because I think on one of them it was quite hard. 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:45.439 So I just looked at their games. 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:51.519 The one that I remember being my favourite was the one before the Devil's Daughter, Crimes and Punishments. 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:54.639 I think because it's just random cases, but it's got one. 00:06:54.800 --> 00:07:00.959 I think my favourite of all the cases is this one that's set in a little village railway station. 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:10.399 And this is where I find those games impressive, is could because I mean that I I don't know how accurate it is, I wasn't around in sort of late sort of 19th century London. 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:21.680 But like the London always seems quite good, but like the this little village railway station, and we're presumably they're just going, I mean they might have explored little village railway stations, but it feels really authentic, and you're solving this. 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:29.439 I can't remember even what remember what the mystery was, but it's like something that's happened between two stations, so you can travel to the next station along and you have to work it. 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.879 And that's I don't know, it was just a nice little case. 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:38.800 So I think those are the ones they like where it's just and I think that one had more kind of self-contained. 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:44.240 I know Devil's Daughter did as well, but I think a bit but then it had like a weird overarching plot. 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:47.519 But I think that that one had really good sort of self-contained cases. 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:52.000 Yeah, this one

seems to have so it seems so far, like I'm not that far through. 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:57.519 It seems split up into self-contained cases, but it's all just part of one big case. 00:07:57.680 --> 00:07:57.920 Yeah. 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:00.879 It's like I've just gone to the asylum in Switzerland. 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:01.920 But that's weird. 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:05.920 Is that where where where he gets committed and then and then you play as John? 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:07.040 Have I spoiled it? 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.040 I've played as John for like a second. 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:12.959 Oh, okay, and then you sort of Because that was the so I I found it dead boring. 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:13.439 Yeah. 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:17.439 When it was like, Where's why why's this man where's my paper? 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:18.399 That was the one. 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:23.600 The tutorial level is Sherlock gets annoyed that his paper hasn't arrived. 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:25.279 Yes, I remember. 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:25.680 Yeah. 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:30.720 And he's quite annoying because I expect him to be Basil Rathbone, and he's like a little bloke. 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:32.399 It's good that you can put a mustache on him. 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:33.519 You can put mustache on him. 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:36.080 The disguise is always good in those games, yeah. 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.679 It's a bit like contact Sam Cruz if anyone remembers that. 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:41.919 Yes, it's exactly the same as that. 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:44.080 No further explanation required. 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:49.679 So he so he finds his paper, then Watson says, Come visit my mate, and it's just a man who's shouting at you. 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:50.399 Yeah. 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:57.519 Because that's always the problem as well, is when you don't know what you're doing, you just click on a piece of evidence, and someone says, Why are you asking me about that? 00:08:57.679 --> 00:08:58.480 And you go, okay. 00:08:58.720 --> 00:08:59.039 You're right. 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:07.840 That's again the mechanic, is yeah, you because put sometimes you just have to walk around an area and ask people about stuff, and they're constantly just shouting at you, saying, I don't know anything about that. 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:15.120 And then I was getting dead bored, and then I went into a basement and went into Cthulhu Lands, and I was like, Oh, this is quite good now. 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:15.919 Yeah. 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:18.159 Quite liked going to Cthulhu Lands. 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.240 And then I went to Switzerland. 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:21.919 It's alright, and it's fairly short. 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.559 Just I think I preferred some of the others. 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.480 Looking at their games, so the first one they did was The Mystery of the Mummy. 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:29.919 Don't think that's an official story. 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:31.919 The mystery of the mummy. 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:32.879 Maybe it is, don't know. 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:33.200 I don't know. 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:39.519 But they've done so the the case of the silver silver earring, which always sounded like a proper boring one. 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:43.759 Then they did The Awakened, that was 2007, so the original Awakened. 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:56.159 So then the one I've never heard of, because I know they did that they did versus Jack the Ripper, but in between The Awakened and Versus Jack the Ripper, they did, I'm gonna like pronounce this wrong, they did versus Osong Awesome Oscond Dupont. 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:01.519 That sounds I wonder what like if that didn't get released over here or something, because I don't remember seeing ever seeing that one. 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:04.879 But like that's weird, because that's like another just another detect detective, right? 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:08.000 He's not like he's a young French thief with an impressive track record. 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:10.559 Oh, is he well, who's the oh who am I thinking of? 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:13.200 Am I thinking of Pierre Dupont from Doom Red? 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:17.759 Isn't he like a gentleman thief? 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:20.240 Yeah, I'm thinking of the wrong person. 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:22.559 Who am I thinking of? 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.440 Yeah, I'm thinking of I've got this wrong my whole life, I think. 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:26.879 I'm thinking of Auguste Dupont. 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:32.480 Auguste Dupont, that's a Yeah, the from the Murders in the Remorgue, which is the Edgar Allan Poe story. 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:35.279 I thought that was Arsene Dupont, but it's not. 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:36.559 It's Auguste Dupont. 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:38.559 And Pierre Dupont is in that as well. 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:41.120 No, if that's that makes sense now. 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:44.559 I thought I was read that and was like, well, that's like two detectives fighting. 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:45.759 That sounds interesting. 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:47.919 If it's like a gentleman thief, I'm less interested. 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.080 Yeah, because there's like a series and stuff in there. 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:50.559 Yeah. 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.399 I assume the series was about the detective that's not got that name. 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.360 I thought there was one French character, Pierre Dupont, obviously. 00:10:57.600 --> 00:10:59.200 Pierre Dupont, they're obsessed with it. 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:04.159 Oh, did they do that? 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:05.279 I didn't realize that was then. 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:06.080 I don't know what that is. 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:07.679 I think I've got that on Gog. 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:11.360 It's one of those games I've never played because anyway. 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:16.240 Anyway, so that's what I've started playing whilst I play a

million other things. 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:22.639 Yeah, I mean I've been playing odd little other things, but nothing nothing that I've been playing long enough to talk about because I've been trying to finish mouse picking. 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:23.759 Right, what episode is it? 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:24.720 It's episode eight. 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:27.840 Right, so we're back into notes. 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:32.000 We're back into another straight it's back to back enzo episodes, so that's good. 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:33.759 Yep, that was one of my notes. 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:35.519 Another Enzo episode. 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:36.639 There's a game though. 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:39.440 There is a game, so we also start with a game, right? 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:40.000 Don't know. 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:40.879 Where's the mute? 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:42.879 Yes, I wrote a game. 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:44.639 Weird tower cannon game. 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:48.639 Weird tower cannon game reminded me of Hogs of War. 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:52.159 I don't know why. 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:52.879 I don't know. 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:53.679 Reminded me of that. 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:56.960 It is weird that you said that because that's the only game I think I could relate it to. 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:10.080 I don't know, there was something about the style of I mean, obviously it looks like Napoleonic War type era, but like because they had hats and mustaches, but um, which is not hogs of war, but it did that was the only thing that was the closest thing I could think of. 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:14.399 It's interesting the games, because I was thinking this more in the the next episode. 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:17.360 Spoilers we'd watch multiple at the same time. 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:19.120 I don't know how to explain any of this. 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:28.720 I was thinking about this, forgetting that it's 1994, so their reference to what the games could be is actually it's like the PlayStation hadn't come out yet. 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:31.759 No, well, this we will get on to this in the next episode, I think. 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:33.519 Yeah, Hogs of War didn't exist. 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.000 So so it is like, so what are the references? 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:37.919 So they've obviously got to come up with games. 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:46.240 Like that's every time I sort of start getting overcomplicating what reboot is, it gets more interesting because you think, yeah, it is 94. 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:55.200 And we did we never did this, but I know it existed, was people playing Doom. 00:12:55.279 --> 00:13:03.679 Like my closest thing is we we we had an Amiga where you would send off the games through Shareware where people would make games. 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:04.879 Oh yeah, yeah. 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:09.919 Like I think, and like I know PCs existed, but like we weren't downloading games. 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:11.120 Oh, I see what you mean. 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:11.919 Yeah at this point. 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:18.960 So when it's like Yeah, and he has games for fun, and it's like flipping swears, we swear in, I can't remember. 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:19.919 Flipping Inc. 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:21.279 He's got a good PC. 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:22.639 Yeah, that no, that is true. 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:23.360 Yeah, you're right. 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:26.879 Because also PC games were were rubbish then. 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:29.919 Yeah, like it's are we hang on, are we on CD ROM era? 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:31.840 I think we're on C D ROM just about. 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:37.120 Yeah, but it's well I suppose we must be because the graphics are kind of C D ROM era graphics. 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:44.639 It but but but you know there was a point where because in my mind prior to sort of return to Zork, PC games were were like rubbish. 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:49.120 They were just like they were all sort of Commander Keen style graphics. 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:57.519 People, you know, whatever that was, Vic 20 or Tandy, whatever their sort of graphic mode was. 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:05.919 Was where it was just like it was like it was like sort of almost spectrum level where they had like 10 colours and that was it. 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:07.440 Commander Keen, look that up. 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:10.320 Bio Menace, Duke Newcomb, original Duke Newcomb. 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:20.799 Yeah, that that that's what I think when I think of early PC games, that was until you had CD ROM, and then suddenly everything was like what Which is weird because you kind of had NES at this point, surely. 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:28.080 Well, that was always the thing because PC gaming always seemed sort of rubbish compared to everything else. 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:35.039 Because I remember I remember a friend had a PC, and I remember we played the Nightmare and Elm Street game. 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:44.559 It was cool that there was a nightmare in Elm Street game, but it was like this is a bit rubbish though, and then suddenly he got the first Grand Theft Auto on like I think he got a new PC. 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:48.639 Suddenly you went from that to like the first Grand Theft Auto on PC, and I remember that being really impressive. 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:50.720 But I've got I'm going all over the place now. 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.399 But yeah, you're right though, like downloading games wasn't a thing. 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.480 Like now we just relate it to oh, you go on PlayStation Store, download a game. 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:00.879 Or or like go on Steam, download a game. 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:07.360 Whereas it's yeah, it's not that, it's because no one's everything would have been on I mean even the games on PC at that point. 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:12.159 Yes, there were people doing it, but they were proper sort of PC people. 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:14.320 Most people

were just going getting discs. 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:20.240 I think 'cause the only thing I was gonna say, because it reminded me of I don't know why because it didn't wasn't this. 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:25.200 But the closest thing was like I remember like Doom was like you could play this online. 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:30.720 But the only way to play it online was in Fiction Factory where they had four PCs set up. 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:31.360 Yeah. 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:32.879 Linked to each other. 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:35.120 Fiction Factory was a shop in Handley. 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:36.639 It was a shop in Handley. 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:37.759 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:46.480 It was always felt like this thing that we didn't ever have access to, and the idea of it was cool, but it's like we're never gonna be able to do that, and actually it sort of ruined gaming, I think. 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:47.919 That's the thing, it's interesting. 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:48.960 This is a tangent. 00:15:49.120 --> 00:16:17.840 But if you read the book Masters of Doom, there's a bit because they have sort of invented it, there's a bit where John Romero just gets really into playing deat matches on Doom to the point where he's not really working on any new stuff, he's just like doing deat matches all the time, and and the John Carmack, the other guy, just gets really annoyed because John Romero is just not actually doing anything, but he's just doing constant so just going to work and then just playing doing doom all day, which is the game he made. 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:22.399 Like, but but it was all new, it was like sort of this idea that you could play people online. 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.279 It's sort of yeah, it's pretty it is crazy. 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:26.159 So, yeah, you're right. 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:31.039 Yes, the world of reboot is they were kind of looking ahead in a way. 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:39.360 Yeah, maybe that was the so do you think maybe it's sort of the idea of because yeah, because those PCs weren't weren't thought of as gaming machines. 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:43.919 You think that's part of it as well, that like if you're gonna download games on your PC then it's gonna ruin it. 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:45.360 Well the what well that always happened. 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:46.559 It did always happen, yeah. 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:54.080 Because I always remember having the argument that that's why Windows PCs always got viruses, because there weren't other games on Mac. 00:16:54.480 --> 00:17:04.880 I mean, pre I mean I'm now just talking the thinking about the history of PC gaming, but pre-Steam and pre-GOG, it was always you'd buy a game on PC and you'd have no idea if it was going to run or not. 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.039 Because the specs were so confusing. 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:18.480 It was like so you got you always had you still do to you have sort of minimum specs, and you're like, Alright, okay, I've got I think I've got those, I've got a graphics card that's kind of that, I guess, and I've got a sound blaster. 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:28.160 Like sound blaster, and then you put it on, and it would be like it would either sort of sometimes you'd be lucky and it would run. 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:44.960 If it was DOS-based, it would run, but anything else would be like or it kind of runs, but like, oh, it makes a weird noise, or it crashes at a certain point, or I remember you're having the the City of Lost Children game for Christmas, and was so disappointed when it was clicky clicky clicky. 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:46.880 Yeah, that's the thing, the sound would sometimes go. 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:59.119 It wasn't the sound, because it was it was the video couldn't I don't actually know I don't know what it was clicky clicky. 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:07.599 No things like something to do with the foot the foot the FMV couldn't play back possible so it so in anger your computer would click at you. 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:08.079 Yeah. 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:09.359 I just remember quarantine. 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:11.680 Quarantine was my probably my favourite game of all time. 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:22.079 Like I love that game, it was the game I probably played through the most, and I remember the the the the opening because it had an opening FMV like cutscene and I was never able to play it. 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:30.720 I've since watched it on YouTube, like as an adult, but it would always like crash during the opening FMV unless you skipped it and then you could get to the game. 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:35.359 But it's just things like that where it was all whereas whereas consoles it was like oh you just put this thing in and it plays. 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:38.240 So that was I don't know how that relates to reboot. 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:44.240 But may well, no, I'm I'm I'm sort of spinning off this idea of games breaking PCs. 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:47.440 So maybe that uh yeah, I don't know. 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:58.079 Or just the idea that you just because they were dealing with kind of animation and how unreliable it was, uh like not knowing what what it was that you'd actually animated and things. 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:07.200 I wonder if there's something to do with that that actually there's this idea of what you can do with the PC, but in reality it's just gonna break it. 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:08.720 Yeah. 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:14.799 So in this episode, so we start with Hogs of War, which is not that they're firing cannons at each other. 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:29.279 Uh Enzo goes in a mood, this is very relatable having children, because he thinks he's gonna win the game by firing a massive cannon, but then Bob uses his smarts and fires a little cannon at barrels of gunpowder and then wins the game. 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:34.960 And then Enzo really goes in a grump because he didn't think of that and feels really

dumb. 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:38.559 And so I don't know what happens, he's like off on a mission then. 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:40.400 He then goes on a he then goes to see. 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:44.960 See Fong, that's what you do, and he can't even beat Fong, that's the thing. 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:47.119 Uh so because Fong will only help you. 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:52.880 Well, he says it'll only help you if if you can beat him, but then you can't beat Fong at whatever game they're playing. 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:53.759 I sort of missed that bit. 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:55.599 Fong's game is Pong. 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:56.880 Oh, yeah, of course it is. 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:58.079 I I think I just looked away. 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:00.799 It's interesting to make a note to it. 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:05.680 It's clearly there just as a joke, because we did a bit on Fong last episode. 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:09.680 So you have to beat put you have to beat Fong at Pong, otherwise he's not gonna help. 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:19.519 But then he decides he's gonna sort of help Enzo anyway, and gives him access to the archive, which is like oh no, it's the read-only room. 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:21.920 It's the read-only room, yeah. 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:24.640 And then he and then he said lots of computer jargon. 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:26.240 I think he mentioned overclocking. 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:35.519 Well, so then yeah, so uh Enzo, because it's too slow, so he decides he finds his way to an overclocking room, which is a giant pendulum, yeah. 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:36.799 I don't really understand that. 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:39.119 But then he overclocks himself. 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:44.000 But what he actually does, because the pendulum it's like a wishmaster type scenario. 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:47.680 Yes, that's the reference, not like monkeys for Wishmaster. 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:49.200 Yeah, I'll go with it. 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:52.079 They were definitely a wishmaster type scenario. 00:20:55.359 --> 00:21:00.480 And in order to so that the the pendulum says, Do you want to be twice as smart as everyone else? 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:04.400 and he says, Yes, but what all he does is make everyone else dumb. 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:06.960 So he goes out into an eight-bit world. 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:08.400 I thought this was a missed opportunity. 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:17.359 I understand why, but I thought it was a missed opportunity because everyone is kind of the eight-bit world, is everyone is sort of slightly lower resolution. 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:17.759 Yeah. 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.160 I would have been great if it was all pixel pixel art. 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:23.119 It's Wishmaster Andrew Divoff. 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:24.319 It's Andrew Divoff. 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:25.519 I don't really know what else he did. 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:26.480 Mostly Wishmaster. 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:28.559 Four. 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:29.759 I've only seen six. 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:31.119 Have I even seen three? 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:33.039 I've seen two, it's quite good. 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:35.759 Anyway, yes, that would have been yeah. 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:41.839 See, I thought it was quite good until you say that, and now you go, Oh yeah, it wasn't really eight bit, it was just we've got a fuzzy filter. 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:42.799 It was quite good. 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:43.759 It was still quite good. 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:46.640 It was still quite good, and like, oh, this is a bit different. 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:50.480 But um yeah, it was I I thought it was a missed opportunity. 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:56.240 But I understand you can't sort of redesign your whole kind of thing on a whim. 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:59.519 That's to be honest, I didn't really understand much of this episode. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:08.079 didn't understand why everyone went because it's wishmaster because Fong was trying to teach him a lesson. 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:10.079 So he went he wishmastered it. 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:14.079 So in this case, Fong was the Wishmaster. 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:15.599 Fong was the Wishmaster. 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:15.920 Okay. 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:16.480 Fine. 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:21.440 But then Wishmaster is a bit more like sore, because actually you just die. 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:23.519 So he's a bit like he's a bit like Jigsaw. 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:24.559 He jigsawed him. 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:26.000 Not really, doesn't really work. 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:33.279 But in Wishmaster, I think the fine with Wishmaster rather than trying to find it was, but then it was like everyone dies in Wishmaster. 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:35.680 Like you kind of get what you wish for, but it's bad. 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:36.960 But then you also die. 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:41.920 And then it was like, well, Jigsaw sort of teaches you a lesson, but and you've got a chance of getting out of it. 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.920 And this is more like a jigsaw type trick. 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:47.039 I reckon the store was inspired by reboot. 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:48.960 I'm gonna see when Wishmaster came up. 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:57.279 It was I saw it at the cinema, so I must have been allowed, it was probably ninety-seven ninety-seven, that could have been eighteen, and might have snit the side. 00:22:58.000 --> 00:22:59.200 2002 is Wishmaster 4. 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:00.079 Wishmasters. 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:02.799 I'd quite quite like to do a Wishmaster quadruple bill. 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:04.319 Prophecy fulfilled. 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:07.519 Is Andrew Divoff still Wishmaster in Wishmaster 4? 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:08.000 No. 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:10.319 No! Who's Wishmaster? 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:11.839 John John Novak. 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:15.920 Yeah, it must be bad if you couldn't even get Andrew Divoff to be Wishmaster, or he died.

00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:16.799 Maybe he died. 00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:17.200 Dunno. 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:17.920 Is he dead? 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:20.799 I feel like I've now got to go down the Wishmaster Rabbit Hole. 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:21.920 Wishmaster Bagbles. 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:28.799 This is like a classic Wishmaster scenario because then you'll turn off the this and you'll only be able to watch Wishmasters. 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:32.160 Jason Connery turns up in Wishmaster 3. 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:33.599 Jason Connery, yeah. 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:35.920 I thought Jason Connery was in Wishmaster 1. 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:36.319 Oh, it does. 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:38.079 Well maybe I've seen Wishmaster 3 then. 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.640 No, because it's Chris Lemon in in Wishmaster. 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:42.720 It's like sons of famous people. 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:47.599 Because I think Chris Lemon is in Wishmaster 1, son of Jack Lemon. 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:57.920 So yeah, that makes sense that Jason Connery's in Wishmaster 3.000 reported the intended to produce a third Wishmaster film. 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:00.720 I'm saying all this, I'm reading it off Wikipedia, I've only seen the first one. 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:02.240 That's part of their development state. 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:09.759 Andrew Divoff, who played the gin in Wishmaster and Wishmaster 2, had written his own script for a third film titled Wishmaster the Third Millennium. 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:15.680 Which would have incorporated real-life paranoia about the Y2K and would have been much better in scope. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:18.720 That would have been better than that film Y2K, which was disappointing. 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:28.240 That sounds better than. 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:31.680 I don't know, but maybe Wushmaster 3 is better because I haven't seen it. 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:35.200 Well, ultimately I think doesn't say why he wasn't then in Wishmaster 3. 00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:36.960 And the other thing about Wishmaster. 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:40.559 That it was famous. 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:46.880 The first one, the whole thing was it was a lot of horror people being killed. 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:48.400 Like Kane Hodder gets killed. 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:49.920 He's like a security god. 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:51.359 He gets wishmastered. 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:53.519 And I think Robert England gets wishmastered. 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:54.240 That might be it. 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:56.240 And then Chris Lemon, he's not a horror icon. 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:03.359 It's like either you're to be in Wishmaster, you have to be a son of a famous person or a horror icon, and then you can get Wishmasters. 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.839 Was this post Thunder in Paradise? 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.000 We're going down a rabbit hole. 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:10.400 I don't know if it was post-thunder in Paradise. 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:15.440 I mean I reckon

it was probably around the same time because that's the peak of Chris Lemon's career, I would have thought. 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:15.759 Yeah. 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:16.640 He must have done. 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:18.720 Oh though, was he in Grumpy Old Men? 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:19.279 No. 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:23.759 I was thinking no, I've just I've just made that up because I'm like Jack West is Grumpy Old Men. 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:26.000 I was like, did he play his actual son? 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:27.759 Are you looking up the career of Chris Lemon? 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:29.200 I am, but I'm trying to work out. 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:31.359 Thunder in Paradise is 94. 00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:31.839 Right. 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:34.079 Around about the same time that Reboot came up. 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:37.119 Well, I mean it's in the pilot episode. 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:45.599 Because Patrick McNee was in it, and there was a lady in it, like the the the sort of token female character was British. 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:50.799 But then they obviously decided to write her out for some reason where it didn't work and test well or whatever. 00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:56.079 But so in the in the first proper episode, they go, Oh, what happened to you, niece or daughter or whatever? 00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:00.880 And and he's and they're like, She went back to London and and died in the fog. 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:03.920 Would have been better if she just got wishmastered. 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:06.319 She went she got wishmastered. 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:06.640 Right. 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.319 Why did why are we on Wishmaster? 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:11.599 Oh, because because Fung Wishmastered Enzo. 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:12.240 Yeah. 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:12.640 Yeah. 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:14.240 And then So that's what happened. 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:15.359 So everyone's dumb. 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:20.000 So he's like, I am now the smartest one, but I didn't want everyone else to be dumb. 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:25.039 But then so then he's like running away from them because they're being annoying, or he's gonna try and sort it out, or whatever. 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.680 I lost, I lost my bag. 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.640 Similar to when they were playing Pong or wasn't writing a note. 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.279 And then another game, so then we get a second game. 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:36.319 Two games because to make up for the fact of lack of games. 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:41.279 So this game starts like a a typical sports simulator. 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.279 Well, like so you I would reference Daily Thompson's Decathle. 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:46.720 That's what I wrote down. 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:53.359 That was the game that was on the spectrum that we played, but we had it. 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:56.799 That was probably the last last athletics game I've played. 00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:57.519 Yeah. 00:26:57.759 -->

00:27:03.920 Because there were I mean the famous one is track and field, which hadn't that was Nez, I guess, so I don't think we ever had that. 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:05.519 But that's the one everyone references. 00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:07.599 But it's we had David Thompson's decathlon. 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:09.200 We had David Thompson's decathlon. 00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:17.039 But the famously there'd be games where you would have various events and you'd just have to button bash, basically. 00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:18.880 You'd normally have to press two buttons. 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:20.000 Or wiggle the joysticks. 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:20.960 They'd break joysticks. 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:26.799 That was the problem with them, is you'd sort of wiggle the joystick left and right quickly to win, but that would break the joystick. 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.440 So uh yeah, they were bad uh bad games. 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:37.440 I just write down has there ever been a good one because I can't I didn't play any of the reasons when Mario decided to go to the Olympics with Sonic. 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.279 I'd say maybe California Games, is that good? 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:43.200 I remember it being good on the game gear. 00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:44.319 I don't know. 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:45.599 Does that count as one? 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.680 Because that's not just running and throwing a javelin. 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:49.359 I think it can't well, maybe not. 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:50.640 Yeah, I don't know. 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:52.160 Yeah, maybe it doesn't count. 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.200 They did one, the problem is they're always a bit rubbish. 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:57.279 Like I didn't like the Marion Sonic one. 00:27:57.440 --> 00:27:57.759 I think that's a good one. 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.599 Well there was that was that in the realms when you could was that the Wii so you could wear the one. 00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:02.400 That was the Wii one. 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:03.039 Oh well it's different. 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:03.519 I mean again. 00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.599 Wii sports is basically the same idea. 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:16.079 I mean it's except that that's in a way, that's the best version of it because they looked at each of those events and were like, we're using our Wii powers. 00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:19.599 This is oh now you're actually boxing rather than just wiggling a joystick. 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:20.720 So that that was good. 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:26.480 But um there was that the most recent one I can think of was the was it the Tokyo Olympics. 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:27.599 Was it Tokyo Olympics? 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:29.039 Was has there been Olympics in Tokyo? 00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:30.799 No, I'm questioning that, or am I thinking of Beijing? 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:32.319 Or is it in the history of Olympics? 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:33.440 There has been one in Tokyo. 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:35.839 Yeah, I feel like I feel like it was the Tokyo one. 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:37.839 They did a game on the PlayStation. 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.160 I think they gave away because I didn't buy it, but it was terrible. 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:58.720 We always laughed because I remember playing there was a football game on it, and you could if you pressed the kick button fast enough after kickoff, you could literally kick the ball into the goal from the middle, and you could do it pretty much every time. 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:04.079 But it was just that was the thing, was it's it's sort of trying to be 20 different games all in one. 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:10.319 But it was that was the closest sort of recent one because you could design your own character and sort of yeah, so I remember that being pretty good. 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:14.720 But yeah, I guess we're back to Daily Thompson's decathlon, really, for for back in the day. 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:15.759 That's all you needed. 00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:19.359 Yeah two buttons and then press space to jump over the hurdles. 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:19.920 Yeah. 00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.079 So in this enzo doesn't even get to play though. 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:31.039 Well, that also it goes mad, like it starts off like that, and he's doing races and shot puts and things, and then at the end it sort of turns into a a sort of obstacle course. 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:36.640 There's a whole sonic pinball bit where he's going around a giant pinball machine. 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:38.720 Rocket boots, and there was lava. 00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:40.720 There was lava at the end, yeah. 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:42.400 Can't actually remember how it ended. 00:29:42.640 --> 00:30:04.160 Well, so the whole thing is that so it's quite a good I thought it was actually despite being an endo episode, I thought it was quite a good episode because it's the whole thing is that he gets trapped in this game, but then also so all all Bob and Dot and everyone are trapped in the game as well, but they're all terrible because they're they're stupid and and he's the coach, which is not a thing in Daily Toms as the catalog. 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:13.119 I don't remember you being a coach, but like but like but it's ironic because he's the only one who can do anything and he's and he's uh he can't actually play. 00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:21.599 So I thought that was quite a good setup, and then he wins by because the others keep trying to help him and and keep messing him up. 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:26.559 Yeah, because at a certain point he's like, No, fine, I'm gonna race, but then they keep trying to help him, they keep getting in his way. 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:32.559 And then he wins by saying, Oh, actually, I think the the user's team needs help, so then they all go and help a user. 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:35.759 And I thought that was quite a good actually quite a good twist. 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:37.039 You can

call it that. 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:45.279 There's a weird bit where it had a basketball game and it started doing chariots of fire music, and I thought, surely you do that in the running bit. 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:46.640 I don't remember that bit. 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:47.839 I watched it quite late. 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.400 I remember that the the users all had strange masks. 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.880 There was one with a very odd mask. 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:55.440 The users always look weird, they look weird in the next one as well. 00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:58.960 They get normal eventually. 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:04.799 I don't want to keep talking about the later series, but I think they do get more people want of a better description shapely. 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:07.920 There's was one bit I thought we could discuss. 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:09.920 Okay, I feel like I'm in trouble. 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.160 No, that's part of the crazy chase. 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:18.319 There is a minecart section, and then I was like, minecart section in games, that's a thing. 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.079 It's a thing in the Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom games. 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:27.839 There's there's one on the spectrum, well, which was an arcade, I guess that was part of an arcade. 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.920 There's one Raider 2, there's a minecart. 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.359 Team Raider 2, Resident Evil 4 has a minecart section. 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.599 Are we hoping that by the end of this we'll know all the key elements that make a great game? 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:39.759 Yeah, minecart section. 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:40.880 Lockpick. 00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:43.759 We'll get there. 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:45.599 So far, that's that's what you need. 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:47.920 I don't know if you do need a minecart section. 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:48.720 It's always good though. 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:49.440 You need lockpicking. 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.799 It's always disappointing when there's a minecart and you can't get in it. 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:53.839 Yeah, that's true. 00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:54.240 That's true. 00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:54.960 That's check off. 00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:56.960 It's always a checkoff rule, I think. 00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:58.720 Because it's always like a minecart. 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:34.240 I mean, the Resident Evil one is a bit crazy because suddenly I mean that Resident Evil 4 is a crazy game anyway, but I always forget about that game how it's like because I played the remake recently, and it starts so sort of grim and like feels sort of grimy and real, and then by about two-thirds of the way through, you're on like a minecart roller coaster, and there's sort of people with chainsaws jumping onto your minecart, and and like and like I think it's the fact that what makes it seem really silly is there's a bit like an Indian Jones, there's like um sort of the bad guys who are also in a minecart, like riding up next to you. 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:40.720 It's just it's really silly, it's good, but um, yeah. 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.279 So I think the Indiana Jones one is better because it's based on a real sequence. 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.519 I suppose I mean ultimately every minecart section is Temple of Doom. 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:49.920 Yes. 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:51.759 That's I think we can agree on that. 00:32:52.240 --> 00:33:03.839 Unless there's not I mean, yes, there might be a prior old-timey Minecart section that they stole it from, but generally I think that's the greatest minecart sequence in the I don't know. 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.359 I used to think of it as the weakest Indiana Jones film, but I'm not sure it is. 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:08.960 Well, that's they kept going. 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:09.599 Yeah. 00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:13.200 Anyway, let's not do a Wishmaster tangent on Indiana Jones. 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:22.319 No, I think the problem with we are going to the problem with Indiana Jones Template is it's it's borderline problematic. 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.680 In fact, I don't think it's borderline, I think it's full-on problematic. 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:32.960 I think it's problematic for two reasons though, because I think it's like both in terms of its the Yeah, I don't know. 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.920 No, because other cultures eat monkey brains. 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:40.559 Yeah. 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.559 And then and then do evil magic. 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.880 And then also that that would have been fine. 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:46.319 It's the monkey brains that push it. 00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:49.519 If it was just evil magic, we'd be like, yeah, fine. 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:50.319 Yeah. 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:56.240 But then the the way Kate Capture's character is is in the film, like I don't know. 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:58.319 I think I don't even know if it bothered me. 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:04.319 Obviously it didn't bother me much as a kid, but I what the last time I watched it, I was like, she's just unbearable. 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:11.679 And it's so there's not I don't think there's even a point where you're like where she has a sort of redeeming moment or anything. 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:17.519 She's just she's almost like just written there to be annoying and to and to get into trouble. 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:25.360 And it's sort of I don't it's really watching it now, it feels so dated and so sort of and it's so painful to watch. 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:27.760 It's a really sort of thankless character. 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:28.159 I don't know. 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.440 I feel that that's what that's what bothered me most the last time I watched it. 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:39.039 And it's the fact that like Dunno, I did I'd never like I never I magic, I don't like don't like magic. 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:41.760 Unless it's in

Witchmaster. 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:42.960 I don't like magic. 00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.119 I don't like sort of mind control magic. 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.760 I have a bit of a problem with it in Avengers, but you kind of go, well, superheroes it's a bit more okay. 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.840 But like in Indiana Jones, where it's like now he's gone evil. 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:55.840 I mean Superman 3, I'm alright with it. 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.639 It's not really magic in Superman 3, though, is it science? 00:34:58.880 --> 00:34:59.519 Is it though? 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.000 But like I don't know, is it I mean maybe I don't know. 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:06.400 I was always a bit like I don't this is this is sort of gone somewhere else for me. 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.119 I don't I don't really You just don't like mind control. 00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:10.639 It's not really mind control. 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:14.159 No, but it's like gone evil because of the and he's like on the side of your. 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.039 No, I'm talking about Templar Doom still. 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:24.880 I don't know, just that sort of yeah, and then then then Short Round has to become the hero, and that was always annoying. 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:25.360 I don't know. 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:30.159 Short round's cool and stuff, but he's still an annoying kid in an Indiana Jones film. 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.519 Of the annoying kids in the annoying kid films, I do think I always was quite happy with Short Round. 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:36.079 Yeah. 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:38.079 I think he used to annoy me as well. 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.719 I think I was alright with him in Goonies. 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:41.920 I don't know. 00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:42.480 I don't know. 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:54.559 I think that's I mean then you've also got the bit where because he has to have a fight with Pat Roach in every film, and in Temple of Doom, he's basically in black face or brown face, I guess. 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:56.000 That's an issue. 00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:58.400 But I'm surely he was in rage, though, surely. 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.400 No, because wasn't he the German in that? 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:04.320 Or was he just the big German? 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.519 I thought he was the big who was the bloke who got shot as well. 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:11.199 But maybe I'm just gonna just fight is everyone he fights Pat Roach. 00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:18.400 Everyone, anyone, anyone that he punches has a scene where he's always Pat Roach. 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:19.760 What was I watching the other day? 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:20.559 Oh yeah, Willow. 00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:21.599 Pat Roach is in Willow. 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:22.400 Pat Roach is a big room. 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:23.760 We need to pull back to the tangent. 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.079 Willow we can get onto in the next episode. 00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:26.400 Yeah. 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:27.280 Well, okay. 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:31.840 Well that's I thought you know, g given it was an enzo episode, I was like, actually, that was pretty good. 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.360 So I was quite happy with that one. 00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:34.880 I think you preferred it more than I did. 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.760 Yeah, maybe that's the moral reference. 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:38.880 That was the moral as well. 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:40.480 He was he learned to do homework. 00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.960 Well, because shortcuts only lead to dead ends of the wisdom of Fong. 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:46.559 Yeah. 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.880 Fong or Wishmaster, I think that's the game we can we can play. 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:52.719 I don't even know any Wishmaster lines. 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:56.960 Well, watch Wishmaster, and then by the end of this series, we'll we'll play who said what? 00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:58.719 Fong or Wishmaster? 00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.400 This episode of Noobscast was sponsored by my book, Noobs. 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:07.519 Noobs is a middle grade adventure book about three kids who take on an evil AI at an eSports tournament. 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:11.760 There's a link to the book in the podcast description, so please check this out if you're interested.