Full Transcript for Epic October: B.S. Session

03:52.814 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think was going to happen? 03:53.034 --> 03:57.416 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah exactly exactly I can't even pick my room up right you get mad at me when I pick up my room. 03:57.436 --> 04:03.018 [SPEAKER_02]: How am I supposed to do drywall and then I saw a video online today. 04:04.138 --> 04:22.351 [SPEAKER_02]: of some like little five foot tall gal Mexican gal like picking them up by yourself putting like some kind of nail right where it needs to be like using her knee to hold the board up and then and then not drilling it but like with a hammer hammering it in and I'm like how did she do that? 04:22.791 --> 04:23.852 [SPEAKER_02]: Like how did she do that? 04:24.032 --> 04:24.693 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't do that. 04:25.293 --> 04:27.154 [SPEAKER_02]: So what I grow all sucks dude. 04:29.058 --> 04:32.686 [SPEAKER_02]: What, what's your, what is so plumbing and electrical? 04:33.307 --> 04:34.730 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not afraid of a little electrical. 04:35.371 --> 04:36.934 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've just never done it before. 04:36.974 --> 04:38.037 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure if I, 04:39.641 --> 04:43.425 [SPEAKER_01]: watch somebody do it or was around it got like a quick tutorial. 04:43.766 --> 04:53.396 [SPEAKER_01]: I would have more conference than I probably should, but yeah, now the carpentry, drywall, paint, like, all that stuff's easy. 04:53.856 --> 05:00.203 [SPEAKER_01]: I can throw shingles, but beyond that, yeah, the intricate stuff I steer clear of. 05:00.998 --> 05:27.190 [SPEAKER_02]: So we did the we were the first one in our neighborhood to get a 10 roof right and so when we had some hail damage and they're like, would you like shingles I just had flashbacks of me actually tearing a roof off and then nailing shingles in I'm like I never ever ever want to do that again so I'm going with a steel option and now it's becoming a trend in our neighborhood where everybody's going you know everybody's going steel and 05:28.647 --> 05:31.310 [SPEAKER_02]: and now hopefully I die before I have to replace it. 05:31.791 --> 05:32.312 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right? 05:33.093 --> 05:33.253 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 05:34.214 --> 05:34.374 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 05:35.135 --> 05:36.957 [SPEAKER_02]: But I will say the omnisch they work hard. 05:37.178 --> 05:39.981 [SPEAKER_02]: They put my roof on in a snowstorm in December. 05:40.302 --> 05:40.742 [SPEAKER_02]: No joke. 05:42.130 --> 05:42.730 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not joking. 05:43.011 --> 05:44.452 [SPEAKER_02]: So they went away. 05:44.492 --> 05:44.752 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 05:44.872 --> 05:45.072 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 05:45.132 --> 05:51.417 [SPEAKER_02]: And then so they did my house and the neighbor's house across the street in the same day, one thing though, one thing. 05:52.037 --> 05:56.980 [SPEAKER_02]: They drove this boom lift on the side of my house and there's been a rut there ever since. 05:57.421 --> 05:57.601 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 05:57.921 --> 06:03.205 [SPEAKER_02]: And now

my lawnmower when I take my lawnmower off of it, but that's a first world problem that yeah. 06:05.263 --> 06:16.817 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't find anything else to bitch about, so I'm going to bitch about the Oh speaking of Amish. 06:17.178 --> 06:18.439 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is where it's like 06:19.929 --> 06:24.453 [SPEAKER_02]: They, they will take, they, they don't believe in getting their picture taken or some shit like that. 06:24.473 --> 06:25.854 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's omniscient men and night. 06:27.095 --> 06:30.458 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they'll take their hat off and they'll set it next to their crossbow. 06:30.938 --> 06:35.462 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they'll lay it over top of the giant deer that they just shot, you ever seen those pictures? 06:35.782 --> 06:36.643 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I haven't. 06:37.023 --> 06:37.464 [SPEAKER_02]: You haven't. 06:37.544 --> 06:37.724 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 06:37.744 --> 06:39.345 [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to, you've got to have to search that up. 06:40.346 --> 06:43.729 [SPEAKER_02]: So they won't, they don't want to get their picture taken. 06:44.189 --> 06:47.412 [SPEAKER_02]: And so what they'll do is they'll take their hat off and they'll set it down. 06:48.958 --> 06:53.881 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe everybody knows that their hat or something. 06:53.901 --> 06:55.061 [SPEAKER_02]: That's Jeremiah's hat. 06:55.081 --> 06:55.482 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that. 06:55.502 --> 06:56.182 [SPEAKER_02]: I asked you. 06:56.202 --> 06:56.862 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like that. 06:57.363 --> 06:59.564 [SPEAKER_02]: Being known for being known for a hat. 06:59.644 --> 07:00.585 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's Jeremiah. 07:00.645 --> 07:01.645 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at Jeremiah's hat. 07:02.386 --> 07:03.426 [SPEAKER_02]: What's another omnisch name? 07:05.587 --> 07:06.188 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, geez. 07:06.328 --> 07:10.150 [SPEAKER_02]: Abraham Abraham to that's a good omnisch name. 07:11.110 --> 07:16.894 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were omnisch, if you were omnisch, what would your omnisch name be? 07:18.076 --> 07:20.418 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's I don't know enough. 07:20.438 --> 07:22.860 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a name to even jettadaya. 07:23.320 --> 07:24.661 [SPEAKER_01]: Jettadaya, that's a good one. 07:24.881 --> 07:26.162 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, jettadaya, Jeremiah. 07:26.302 --> 07:27.343 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 07:27.363 --> 07:29.525 [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be something a bit from the library. 07:29.625 --> 07:29.945 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't it? 07:29.965 --> 07:30.285 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 07:30.426 --> 07:31.326 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 07:31.466 --> 07:32.847 [SPEAKER_02]: Moses, Abraham. 07:32.887 --> 07:33.248 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 07:34.469 --> 07:34.809 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 07:34.849 --> 07:36.030 [SPEAKER_02]: Moses is a hell of a name. 07:36.290 --> 07:36.830 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a name. 07:37.111 --> 07:37.511 [SPEAKER_02]: Moses. 07:37.831 --> 07:38.292 [SPEAKER_02]: Moses. 07:39.152 --> 07:40.153 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 07:40.894 --> 07:44.116 [SPEAKER_02]: So hypothetically in the future, you're going to have a kid. 07:44.456 --> 07:44.776 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 07:45.257 --> 07:45.457 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 07:47.302 --> 07:55.250 [SPEAKER_02]: What would be a bad ass name for a kid, but you have to use your last name, right? 08:00.575 --> 08:02.917 [SPEAKER_02]: Am I pronouncing it right when I say Nellus, right? 08:02.957 --> 08:04.218 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yep, you're spoken. 08:04.439 --> 08:05.620 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Nellus, Nellus. 08:06.621 --> 08:08.523 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, that's a great question. 08:09.679 --> 08:17.748 [SPEAKER_01]: Like something, it's got to be something kind of like old school, uh, like, uh, I don't know, like a brutis or something like that. 08:17.948 --> 08:18.949 [SPEAKER_02]: What about something simple? 08:19.530 --> 08:20.651 [SPEAKER_02]: This is what popped into my head. 08:21.171 --> 08:21.412 [SPEAKER_02]: Vic. 08:22.543 --> 08:22.884 [SPEAKER_02]: Vick. 08:23.604 --> 08:23.845 [SPEAKER_02]: Vick. 08:23.905 --> 08:24.365 [SPEAKER_02]: Nellys. 08:25.186 --> 08:25.546 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude. 08:25.567 --> 08:26.728 [SPEAKER_02]: That looks like a roll off. 08:26.748 --> 08:27.228 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude. 08:27.649 --> 08:32.875 [SPEAKER_02]: Some about that tells me mechanic tells me works at a tire shop or owns it. 08:33.435 --> 08:33.635 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 08:33.756 --> 08:35.377 [SPEAKER_02]: Vick is a hard worker. 08:35.718 --> 08:35.938 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude. 08:35.978 --> 08:39.482 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you right now or this huge douchebag. 08:41.164 --> 08:44.787 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the other, he's using the coolest guy you've ever met or he's just a prick. 08:45.127 --> 09:04.523 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like divorce three times Got four baby mama's child support on all of them heavy smoker heavy drinker like it could yeah Surasers edge, I guess we're working with here, but I just feel like the name Vic if you have the name Vic You're gonna be really good at public land bohunting 09:05.264 --> 09:06.444 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could see that. 09:06.484 --> 09:07.845 [SPEAKER_02]: I like the name of Bart, too. 09:08.365 --> 09:09.646 [SPEAKER_02]: Bart, no, Bart. 09:10.046 --> 09:11.026 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a classic name. 09:11.966 --> 09:20.009 [SPEAKER_02]: I think like, I think for a while, Bart went out of style because the Simpsons came and no one wants their name yet, you know, their kid after a little asshole. 09:20.229 --> 09:26.732 [SPEAKER_02]: But now that that show is like, been around so long that Bart and those older names like, 09:27.930 --> 09:33.133 [SPEAKER_02]: know about how I feel about Everett and Emmett and like some of those names. 09:33.553 --> 09:33.834 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 09:34.474 --> 09:41.018 [SPEAKER_02]: And the only reason that I I kept my kids names short because I thought they would have my brains and they would be hard to spell. 09:41.678 --> 09:48.022 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all day and if you fuck that up dude

like something wrong with you right. 09:48.922 --> 09:49.203 [SPEAKER_02]: And so 09:50.108 --> 10:15.067 [SPEAKER_02]: did I can remember when I was a kid my mom would be like my mom I get my spelling test back and she'd be like dude how are you not getting this I was an idiot dude I don't know why but my oldest boy he's kind of like me he's he's a slow learner and so I'm just hoping that he blossoms like right around the time that you need to blossom to become a doll or like get help you know what I mean 10:19.471 --> 10:22.754 [SPEAKER_02]: You're on your own, buddy, you don't need a sister's living, so. 10:26.478 --> 10:27.399 [SPEAKER_01]: Good God. 10:27.859 --> 10:29.040 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that's a miracle. 10:29.140 --> 10:35.126 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, well, you know how now there's all these, like, I feel like the last, I don't know, five, 10 years. 10:35.146 --> 10:40.751 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just been, like, people trying to name their kid something unique or, like, like, I, 10:41.552 --> 10:51.476 [SPEAKER_01]: hate when you've got a regular ass name like pronounce something totally normal but they spell it like it's you know they're writing a new language dude. 10:51.496 --> 10:58.539 [SPEAKER_02]: Well this is yeah this is no disrespect what I'm about to say but the black community has been doing that for a very long time. 10:59.019 --> 11:03.161 [SPEAKER_02]: I met a dude in college his name was Kevin and it was spelled with a cue. 11:04.001 --> 11:08.025 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like q u e v o n. That's kind of dope. 11:08.385 --> 11:10.387 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, did that stick. 11:10.407 --> 11:11.728 [SPEAKER_02]: He was fast to shit too. 11:11.908 --> 11:15.872 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're fast to shit, your name's spelled like an idiot, did you can do it, ever you want. 11:15.892 --> 11:17.894 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying that's like, again, notice respect. 11:18.334 --> 11:23.119 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but there's like if you can back it up. 11:24.139 --> 11:50.252 [SPEAKER_02]: right like here's here's what I'll say on the network there's a guy named Courtney right Courtney from uh yeah we do this too they blacked it again notice respect I'm not messing with the dude named Courtney I don't like I'm not messing with that Courtney yeah he'd beat the shit out of me any man who's got a border like you know not traditionally but like because you know how like 11:52.975 --> 12:11.020 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, a century ago, like I'm sure Courtney was a mainstream like men's name and then after a while it like transitioned to or you know, whatever, but like any man who's got a name like that, like Courtney or Carol or like a man named Lindsay or something like that. 12:11.060 --> 12:14.961 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's kind of like like I know you got picked on as a kid. 12:15.021 --> 12:16.701 [SPEAKER_01]: So you've got some grit for sure. 12:16.802 --> 12:17.402 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. 12:17.822 --> 12:18.082 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 12:18.802

--> 12:23.063 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's the old the boy named Sue so you know, but that's right. 12:23.523 --> 12:24.084 [SPEAKER_02]: What's his name. 12:24.644 --> 12:25.524 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm blank in here. 12:25.544 --> 12:27.285 [SPEAKER_02]: What who who made that song. 12:29.725 --> 12:30.966 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can't think of it either. 12:31.626 --> 12:32.186 [SPEAKER_02]: Johnny Cash. 12:32.266 --> 12:32.706 [SPEAKER_02]: There we go. 12:32.826 --> 12:33.767 [SPEAKER_02]: Boy name is Johnny. 12:33.787 --> 12:34.047 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 12:34.747 --> 12:36.968 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, dude. 12:37.308 --> 12:40.449 [SPEAKER_02]: I had to keep my kids name short because I knew that if I named him. 12:42.223 --> 12:50.827 [SPEAKER_02]: If I name my kid, Skylar, and this is no offense to, like what I'm about to say, like, if I name my kid, Skylar, I would make fun of my own kid. 12:50.887 --> 12:52.048 [SPEAKER_02]: So I couldn't do that. 12:52.328 --> 12:55.349 [SPEAKER_02]: This is what it's respect to Skylar's of the world. 12:55.609 --> 13:06.935 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, someday in the future, right now there's a bunch of like 20, 25 year old Skylarers and Dakotas out there, and they're going to be president of the United States someday. 13:07.995 --> 13:08.536 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? 13:08.696 --> 13:08.896 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, 13:09.740 --> 13:12.802 [SPEAKER_02]: Now the next president of the United States, Skyler. 13:15.023 --> 13:16.864 [SPEAKER_02]: Skyler Smith, that's crazy, man. 13:17.324 --> 13:26.469 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't envision, yeah, I can envision a Donald or a Joe, you know, or something a little bit of strength to it. 13:26.589 --> 13:26.869 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 13:26.969 --> 13:27.209 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 13:27.549 --> 13:43.831 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't really envision an up a baroque, but that's my America not Again, no disrespect did so so yeah, um anyway You're like it's it's you 13:44.492 --> 14:02.037 [SPEAKER_02]: there's always times where i just feel like border line i'm going to get canceled it's like okay if you keep going this conversation you're going to get canceled or so we're going to be like how dare you talk about that and on my podcast honestly man uh and i've i've told my wife this i go dude you've got to stop giving a shit 14:02.737 --> 14:10.142 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, it's, it's awesome when you just stop giving a shit. 14:10.542 --> 14:18.527 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, it's so free and then you can go and do it about, you know, like, if I didn't have to do this all day, every day, I'd probably be a little bit more free. 14:19.127 --> 14:22.850 [SPEAKER_02]: I say what I want, but I can't say like some crazy shit on here. 14:22.890 --> 14:23.290 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 14:23.490 --> 14:26.612 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like a like, she's Dan Johnson's lost his mind. 14:26.652 --> 14:28.053 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't listen to nine fingers anymore. 14:28.455 --> 14:52.573 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to

add the Dan Johnson conspiracy experience to the 9-finger or not 9-finger, but 2-finger, 4-finger, 4-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-finger, 10-f 14:55.931 --> 14:57.431 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just talk one out real quick. 14:57.892 --> 14:59.412 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, guys, got it. 14:59.432 --> 15:01.273 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I want you to pick it. 15:01.493 --> 15:06.034 [SPEAKER_02]: I want you to think of the last conspiracy theory that you've thought about. 15:07.955 --> 15:09.095 [SPEAKER_02]: A911 for sure. 15:09.415 --> 15:10.256 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, 911. 15:10.576 --> 15:11.976 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, yeah, I couldn't 911. 15:12.116 --> 15:14.197 [SPEAKER_02]: Did we talk about 911 at all? 15:14.677 --> 15:15.457 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't know. 15:17.878 --> 15:19.239 [SPEAKER_02]: It just doesn't add up. 15:24.207 --> 15:31.948 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not watching the video, Dan just got very serious and leaned forward into the camera. 15:33.109 --> 15:35.569 [SPEAKER_01]: He's about to go, I run. 15:36.149 --> 15:37.529 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't want to. 15:37.549 --> 15:38.990 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to go. 15:39.030 --> 15:45.831 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, by the way, can you hear the background like the bird's chirping or like the airplanes flying overhead or anything like that? 15:45.851 --> 15:48.351 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I can catch like a tiny bit of breeze, but that's a bit. 15:48.691 --> 15:49.151 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, cool. 15:49.811 --> 15:51.692 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll probably go off on editing. 15:54.521 --> 15:56.323 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, I want you to start off. 15:56.903 --> 16:01.807 [SPEAKER_02]: I want you to start off about 9-11 and where this all kind of goes. 16:02.928 --> 16:05.190 [SPEAKER_02]: Rookwick, if we can do it quick. 16:06.011 --> 16:06.871 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the... 16:07.731 --> 16:16.394 [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't take a whole lot of search and to point out that it seems like the way that those towers collapsed the timing of it. 16:17.515 --> 16:30.860 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the parties from other countries who were maybe in the area prior to immediately prior to and immediately following said disasters and then I'll see you've got building seven which just happened to go down. 16:31.120 --> 16:32.581 [SPEAKER_01]: You got the Pentagon where 16:33.904 --> 16:38.286 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a big explosion, but there's no delay in record. 16:38.326 --> 16:39.087 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no. 16:39.447 --> 16:45.650 [SPEAKER_01]: Jet fuel supposedly is supposed to melt or does not melt still pure steel beams. 16:46.030 --> 16:56.736 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was proven

recently by Ole Mr. Bezos trying to launch a rocket that combusted on site and left the steel frame right next to it perfectly intact. 16:57.637 --> 16:58.257 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know a buddy. 16:59.500 --> 17:12.846 [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of holes in that story, dude, dude, was it like 48 hours previous or the day before the federal reserve lost $2 trillion that were unaccounted for? 17:13.467 --> 17:13.747 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 17:17.469 --> 17:22.131 [SPEAKER_02]: What if you know how like right now there's aliens out there? 17:22.851 --> 17:25.573 [SPEAKER_02]: They're saying that, oh yeah, hey, just so you guys 17:29.308 --> 17:29.528 [SPEAKER_02]: right? 17:29.588 --> 17:31.269 [SPEAKER_02]: Because everybody is in their phones. 17:31.709 --> 17:33.150 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's life is so busy. 17:33.430 --> 17:34.551 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what they want from us. 17:34.571 --> 17:39.293 [SPEAKER_02]: They want their lives to be so busy that we don't even have time to question the government. 17:41.074 --> 17:45.537 [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, I feel like right now there's a drone looking at your shoulder. 17:45.597 --> 17:48.938 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like there's a drone like get ready to snipe me. 17:49.319 --> 17:49.879 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know. 17:51.212 --> 17:55.256 [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah, did federal government, they're coming for us. 17:55.517 --> 17:56.418 [SPEAKER_02]: They're in control. 17:56.758 --> 17:57.819 [SPEAKER_02]: Our votes don't count. 17:57.979 --> 17:59.902 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's just, it's poppets. 17:59.942 --> 18:01.323 [SPEAKER_02]: We're all poppets. 18:01.684 --> 18:06.289 [SPEAKER_02]: So, and that's why like, dude, I'm sure you've seen this, okay. 18:07.570 --> 18:11.792 [SPEAKER_02]: how much junk mail for the election have you got in your mailbox. 18:11.912 --> 18:12.753 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not joking. 18:12.873 --> 18:14.854 [SPEAKER_02]: I could side my fucking house with it. 18:15.134 --> 18:15.354 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 18:16.015 --> 18:18.116 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how much on the percent. 18:18.476 --> 18:27.661 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been very impressed with the with the the political advertisements of each candidate just slandering the other 18:33.462 --> 18:37.066 [SPEAKER_01]: But my favorite is the, I don't even know who funds it. 18:37.427 --> 18:39.669 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that it's against Christina Bohannon. 18:40.230 --> 18:48.740 [SPEAKER_01]: And it, it, I laugh every single time they go Christina Bohannon extreme liberal dangerous. 18:49.280 --> 18:49.841 [UNKNOWN]: It's like, 18:51.566 --> 19:07.423 [SPEAKER_01]: Just like what few brain cells are left and like the older demographic that's still voting is just like well I'm not gonna do it like sold Yeah, I could just imagine some like 80-year-old that a coffee shop going did you know she's dangerous 19:09.285 --> 19:10.366 [SPEAKER_02]: What is she what is she do? 19:10.486 --> 19:11.066 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't know. 19:11.446 --> 19:11.807 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 19:11.867 --> 19:12.807 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what I'm staying for. 19:12.967 --> 19:13.528 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the weird thing. 19:13.668 --> 19:32.898 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude all the stuff that comes in the mail It's specifically catered to that generation like nobody like your age or my age is looking at that being like Wow, there's some valuable information here like I better I better give this a thorough one sover just to make sure that I I've got all the information I need headed into voting like yeah 19:34.580 --> 19:48.562 [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy and it's all negative I love how they the edits on those commercials to are like dark and gloomy and scary Like a haunted house commercial exactly like it's like Ashley Henson 19:49.443 --> 19:51.004 [SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't know shit. 19:51.424 --> 19:53.545 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's just like, but you know who does? 19:53.905 --> 19:54.625 [SPEAKER_02]: Just to Rick. 19:54.725 --> 19:58.306 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he's like, talking to a farmer, right? 19:58.927 --> 20:00.267 [SPEAKER_02]: None of these guys are farmers. 20:00.587 --> 20:00.787 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 20:00.887 --> 20:01.788 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't know shit. 20:01.808 --> 20:05.069 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, we're here to support the Iowa farmer bullshit. 20:05.089 --> 20:07.750 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't, you've never lifted a bail a hay in your life. 20:08.170 --> 20:08.390 [SPEAKER_02]: Right? 20:08.630 --> 20:12.452 [SPEAKER_02]: The only guy who's done it is probably Rob Sand and that's because he grew up on a farm. 20:12.872 --> 20:13.132 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 20:13.912 --> 20:15.174 [SPEAKER_02]: But exactly. 20:15.354 --> 20:20.980 [SPEAKER_02]: Even like, like, everything is, uh, this and they have to say it, right? 20:21.000 --> 20:23.562 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if they didn't have to say it, they wouldn't say it. 20:23.923 --> 20:28.067 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, they just talk shit on their opponent for 30 seconds. 20:28.107 --> 20:31.210 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's like, my name drops in and I upward support this. 20:31.851 --> 20:50.286 [SPEAKER_02]: commercial and I approve this message like okay buddy tell me something that you're actually gonna do oh I'm here to fix water okay cool right but instead it's just like I hate my opponent right which is annoying because that's like I don't know in the last two election cycles that's like what the whole 20:51.403 --> 21:10.004 [SPEAKER_02]: like lead into election season is just it's just ripping everybody down nobody talks about they're actually going to do or how they will work yeah yeah or how they'll work with the next person to you know it's like hey how would you work with this guy to help Iowa or home Illinois or Wisconsin or whatever oh yeah we don't I don't I don't give a shit 21:10.504 --> 21:31.615 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm here because I'm like a little bit of him and then and then I'll impose my will I will kill his children like Game of

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they come out they feed in the clover that's sprinkled kind of in there and then they go over this hill into Into the into a destination food source like a ag field and then they work their way through but long story short 24:06.329 --> 24:08.391 [SPEAKER_02]: like it's in it's in the right spot. 24:08.431 --> 24:10.332 [SPEAKER_02]: So as these do stand up come out. 24:10.372 --> 24:15.736 [SPEAKER_02]: They start feeding the bucks come in behind them downwind of them, especially on east or south winds. 24:16.236 --> 24:21.120 [SPEAKER_02]: And they just they can sent check them and they can lay a scrape and then they can go about their business. 24:21.300 --> 24:21.940 [SPEAKER_02]: It's beautiful. 24:22.261 --> 24:22.781 [SPEAKER_02]: It's beautiful. 24:23.522 --> 24:28.685 [SPEAKER_02]: Code blue sense dot com discount code NFC20 vapor trail archery. 24:29.926 --> 24:34.229 [SPEAKER_02]: So I have I have an older model and I don't know about you, but I'm that guy who 24:35.170 --> 24:47.404 [SPEAKER_02]: I really like the, um, I really like the, uh, something if I really like something, I'm going to stick with it like I'm not about like that's why I have a 24:49.126 --> 24:51.007 [SPEAKER_02]: seven year old bow that I'm shooting. 24:51.487 --> 24:52.768 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel very confident with it. 24:52.788 --> 24:53.788 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel good about it. 24:54.668 --> 25:10.215 [SPEAKER_02]: I had to drop down to 65 pounds because of my shoulder, but all the accessories that are on it do I don't change a much unless I have to or they break and I've beat the shit out of that that vapor trail rest on two potentially three different bows now. 25:10.575 --> 25:11.736 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I think it only two bows. 25:12.576 --> 25:22.642 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's multiple years old and I'm just, if it, if it, if it can take the beating that I give it every season, it's gets a five star review for me. 25:22.742 --> 25:27.405 [SPEAKER_02]: So vaporTrailArchery.com, OZONIXCen elimination. 25:27.745 --> 25:30.967 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting ready to do a series here in the next couple of weeks. 25:30.987 --> 25:32.749 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be called OZONIX Week. 25:32.769 --> 25:33.929 [SPEAKER_02]: It might happen in November. 25:33.969 --> 25:35.010 [SPEAKER_02]: It might happen in December. 25:35.030 --> 25:38.032 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, we don't have it scheduled quite yet, but, um, 25:38.888 --> 25:43.236 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm going to be talking with some of the people there on how they use ozone and things like that. 25:43.276 --> 25:45.139 [SPEAKER_02]: But dude, I'm telling you ozone, man, that shit. 25:46.742 --> 25:46.882 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, 25:48.780 --> 25:50.180 [SPEAKER_02]: it's the price that gets people. 25:50.320 --> 25:50.821 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. 25:50.981 --> 26:07.546 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you're only, if you're only able to hunt like five day, like one straight week throughout, maybe that's all you get for PTO or maybe that's all you get for vacation time, get away from the family, you know, busy like me, then 26:12.588 --> 26:14.669 [SPEAKER_02]: When a deer gets downwind you have a little security. 26:14.889 --> 26:16.490 [SPEAKER_02]: That's all I'm saying, right? 26:16.830 --> 26:34.480 [SPEAKER_02]: You got a I had to experience myself you got experience if you have a friend the best thing to do this is how I got into it I had a friend who had one and he's like dude take this into the woods with you Let me know what you think and I had a group that first night I had a group of those get downwind to me They smelled it and they're just 26:36.201 --> 26:43.287 [SPEAKER_02]: oh shit and then they walk they they just kept walking they noticed it and then they just kept walking through it I might do they're gonna bust they're gonna bust they're gonna bust 26:43.969 --> 26:44.710 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't bust. 26:44.950 --> 26:48.473 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what that does is that allows other deer to feel comfortable in the area. 26:49.054 --> 26:51.356 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, and the cycle continues. 26:51.396 --> 26:54.379 [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, Ozonixhunting.com, go check it out. 26:55.800 --> 26:56.641 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I'm missing one. 26:57.562 --> 26:59.163 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, reveal trail cameras, right? 26:59.203 --> 27:00.344 [SPEAKER_02]: So, reveal. 27:00.825 --> 27:07.331 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you follow me on Instagram, just take a look at all the pictures that I'm posting on my, on my stories. 27:07.972 --> 27:08.392 [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, 27:09.493 --> 27:27.506 [SPEAKER_02]: go check out tacticam.com slash cameras, check out their new 4.0, they got the 4.0, the regular 4.0, the 4.0 pro and the X, I got one hooked up to a solar panel right now, it's taking a ton of pictures, but the battery's not going down, so that's awesome. 27:27.886 --> 27:31.788 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a trail camera, then if you get a solar panel on it, you're 27:32.741 --> 27:39.107 [SPEAKER_02]: You're just straight up leaving that thing out all year round and you're not touching it, right? 27:39.187 --> 27:41.229 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's the plan with that trail camera. 27:41.249 --> 27:44.232 [SPEAKER_02]: So tack to cam.com slash cameras. 27:44.252 --> 27:45.573 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I got all six there. 27:45.633 --> 27:51.158 [SPEAKER_02]: So go out and please support the companies that support this podcast. 27:51.299 --> 27:53.861 [SPEAKER_02]: If not, just visit their website, go check them out. 27:54.402 --> 27:56.484 [SPEAKER_02]: And I would really appreciate that. 27:56.584 --> 27:56.844 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 27:58.509 --> 28:21.489 [SPEAKER_02]: We're 30 minutes in roughly and I have a post-it note and I rarely do this, but I want to talk a little bit about a couple things and I want to talk about, let's do this, let's do one real life and one deer hunting related regret that you have in your life. 28:22.769 --> 28:30.253 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, do you feel

comfortable talking about a, a, a Pierce Nellus life regret? 28:30.593 --> 28:31.273 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure. 28:31.774 --> 28:32.974 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, let's hear what is it. 28:33.535 --> 28:43.800 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I would say my, and it's, I'm very like, I don't know, I'm, I'm at peace with it. 28:43.840 --> 28:45.501 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't like fully regret it because without, 28:47.327 --> 28:50.970 [SPEAKER_01]: Without having done this, I wouldn't be sitting here talking with you today. 28:50.990 --> 28:54.293 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't have started hosting the Wisconsin Sports or anything like that. 28:55.213 --> 29:12.767 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that I wish I would have done, though, it was just a regret of mine was when starting my business a number of years ago, like 2021, not simultaneously getting a job doing something else. 29:14.227 --> 29:16.487 [SPEAKER_01]: to an extent, you know, I go back and forth on that. 29:16.787 --> 29:41.492 [SPEAKER_01]: It would have been a lot more stable, would have been able to get a little bit more, a little bit further with some of the, you know, just life goals that have, you know, gotten everything, had I done that, but I wanted to go all in on the business and everything kind of not realizing at the time that there wasn't quite enough there to fully go all in on at the time, you know, like it wasn't, it wasn't 40 29:44.308 --> 29:49.422 [SPEAKER_01]: When I started it, um, yeah, I tried to kind of turn it into that and so I would say the biggest 29:50.788 --> 30:10.846 [SPEAKER_01]: regret I have is not having gone a more traditional route and then done the business on the side and instead focused on the business and then trying to do everything else on the side, which obviously it paned out because like I said that led to me starting hosting a podcast, starting my own guide business and stuff like that. 30:10.866 --> 30:13.468 [SPEAKER_01]: So it all shook out, but in hindsight, 30:16.640 --> 30:20.423 [SPEAKER_01]: working for a oxidative seeds. 30:20.683 --> 30:21.444 [SPEAKER_01]: Marketing manager. 30:21.584 --> 30:24.286 [SPEAKER_01]: They're over in kind of like the pellet area. 30:24.766 --> 30:25.267 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 30:25.487 --> 30:26.287 [SPEAKER_01]: Over that direction. 30:26.648 --> 30:29.930 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I haven't started yet, but I will next week. 30:32.052 --> 30:39.257 [SPEAKER_01]: And that, you know, again, another opportunity that wouldn't have come about had I not done the things that I did. 30:39.678 --> 30:41.619 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, been on the path that I've been on. 30:43.289 --> 30:48.912 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that I've got a paycheck, a consistent paycheck on the horizon, I'm like, damn, I should have done this way sooner. 30:49.613 --> 30:49.793 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 30:50.093 --> 30:56.557 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, you're saying that you feel like you should have had a job while you were growing your other business. 30:56.837 --> 30:57.237 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally. 30:57.757 --> 30:57.998 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 30:58.238 --> 30:58.458 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 30:58.498 --> 30:58.738 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 30:59.258 --> 31:00.259 [SPEAKER_02]: See, dude. 31:00.679 --> 31:07.263 [SPEAKER_02]: But you have no kids, you're not married, like at that age, you're not married. 31:07.923 --> 31:11.907 [SPEAKER_02]: Why not roll the dice dude right, but you know like live in a dumpster. 31:12.427 --> 31:20.154 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what I mean totally totally But you know how like we reach that stage though, it's like you know colleges over everybody's kind of like 31:21.778 --> 31:42.903 [SPEAKER_01]: branching off, doing their own things, starting their own life, and then you get some buddies who are like, get married, start having kids like immediately, and you get other ones who are like hard into like the corporate life or whatever, and you know, living in the city and that sort of stuff, because I went to school by Chicago, so it was like everybody wanted to go to Chicago, and do all that stuff, and then I was like, shit, here I am broke as fuck, like. 31:44.303 --> 31:54.169 [SPEAKER_01]: doing my own thing playing with trout but like I don't know again, I wouldn't change anything for it but that is a recent like a roominating thought that I've had recently. 31:54.670 --> 32:04.416 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah dude, I'm telling you you made the right choices because it's not really about where you were. 32:04.976 --> 32:10.820 [SPEAKER_02]: It's about where you're at because I have a kind of a similar similar 32:11.981 --> 32:34.237 [SPEAKER_02]: regret, but I'm telling you like, if I could have done it over again, right from a business standpoint, I would have, I would have went in earlier on my own, but I can't say that really because I was not honestly at 25, 30 years old, I was not mature enough. 32:34.638 --> 32:36.319 [SPEAKER_02]: I was a fucking idiot dude. 32:36.819 --> 32:39.321 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I look back at that version of myself. 32:39.401 --> 32:40.702 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like do that version 32:42.288 --> 32:51.912 [SPEAKER_02]: was not capable of being consistent in any way, shape, or form to try to grow a business or do something like that. 32:51.952 --> 33:00.295 [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I wanted to do was party and chase girls at all the way up until really I met my wife and then I knew like I did I want to marry this chick. 33:00.975 --> 33:07.779 [SPEAKER_02]: And then that's when things started to change, which is like, if you're going to do something, you have an option, you can go to a factory line, which I didn't want to do. 33:08.040 --> 33:11.542 [SPEAKER_02]: You can go sit in the cubicle, which I did, but then realized it was a trap. 33:12.322 --> 33:14.424 [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't want to, I didn't want to do that either. 33:14.704 --> 33:15.004 [SPEAKER_02]: I like, 33:15.508 --> 33:18.571 [SPEAKER_02]: was I was able to slow down and look

at the future a little bit. 33:19.191 --> 33:23.635 [SPEAKER_02]: But see, I started all of my stuff after being married after having kids. 33:24.035 --> 33:28.499 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is one piece of advice from a business standpoint that I would give somebody. 33:29.040 --> 33:37.147 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're if you're young and you're single or not married or you don't have kids, you don't have a ton of responsibility, man. 33:38.298 --> 33:41.261 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, shoot for the stars right away. 33:42.082 --> 33:43.063 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, why not? 33:43.783 --> 33:46.927 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, if you fail and you blow your money, you'll get it back. 33:47.567 --> 33:47.827 [SPEAKER_02]: Right? 33:48.348 --> 33:49.930 [SPEAKER_02]: You stand up and you keep going. 33:49.950 --> 33:51.131 [SPEAKER_02]: You find something different to do. 33:51.151 --> 33:53.433 [SPEAKER_02]: You find a new angle to approach something that you love. 33:53.733 --> 33:58.959 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, this is me and you talking here is literally the my favorite part. 33:59.679 --> 34:05.583 [SPEAKER_02]: of a day where I get a sit and BS with somebody about life and deer hunting and all of that stuff. 34:06.124 --> 34:16.210 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's due to, I've set myself up, I'm not rich, I'm not making a ton of money, but I get to do this every day and I love it. 34:16.351 --> 34:19.793 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, and I'm making enough money to support my family. 34:20.694 --> 34:34.445 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'll tell you the flexibility there too, see if we go in hunt when you want to, if you need to go, you know, check trail cans or do you have a network you can work the schedule around that you're not having the schedule PTO a month and a half out and all that shit. 34:34.845 --> 34:35.046 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 34:35.666 --> 34:39.549 [SPEAKER_02]: So like if you're a college graduate or you graduate high school or whatever, whatever. 34:40.430 --> 34:41.571 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you decide to go to college. 34:41.611 --> 34:42.231 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you don't. 34:42.752 --> 34:47.496 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you take 10 years after high school and build something. 34:47.856 --> 34:53.781 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you put hard work into anything for 10 years unless you're a complete moron, right? 34:54.181 --> 35:01.407 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, I know guys who I thought were going to die because they were not capable of like I was probably one of them. 35:02.210 --> 35:22.175 [SPEAKER_02]: right like oh god this guy has no value to society Dan Johnson at at 18 1920 okay I should have I should have went to the military to be honest with you so someone else could tell me what to do but but take ten years build something have something built and then guess what you start your family at 35:23.195 --> 35:28.678 [SPEAKER_02]: 28 years old, 25, 28 years old, 30 years old, dude, you're gravy. 35:29.879 --> 35:32.480 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're the boss of your own company, hey, I'm not going to work today. 35:32.500 --> 35:33.621 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go play with my kids. 35:34.081 --> 35:38.483 [SPEAKER_02]: No worries because I've built a foundation that's going to support me the rest of my life. 35:38.863 --> 35:40.864 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you, work hard early. 35:41.405 --> 35:47.268 [SPEAKER_02]: My uncle actually gave me some really good advice several several years ago, and I did not listen to it. 35:47.308 --> 35:47.888 [SPEAKER_02]: I wish I would have. 35:48.708 --> 35:49.529 [SPEAKER_02]: You're either going to work, 35:50.567 --> 35:53.308 [SPEAKER_02]: You're either gonna work while you're young or you're gonna work when you're old. 35:53.468 --> 35:55.488 [SPEAKER_02]: You just gotta make the decision of when you wanna do it. 35:56.368 --> 35:58.549 [SPEAKER_02]: So I took the second route. 35:58.989 --> 36:00.409 [SPEAKER_02]: I wish I would have listened to them, right? 36:00.429 --> 36:02.169 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna have to work for a while. 36:02.449 --> 36:04.170 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah. 36:04.310 --> 36:05.790 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the thing though, man. 36:05.850 --> 36:11.711 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like if you're a high school kid, you're more than likely probably pretty broke. 36:12.091 --> 36:14.312 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're a college kid, you're, 36:15.132 --> 36:18.195 [SPEAKER_01]: definitely broke or in debt more than likely, right? 36:18.456 --> 36:19.497 [SPEAKER_01]: Student loans and all that. 36:19.957 --> 36:35.934 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the the risk at 22 is so low compared to when you're 32 and when you're 42, like every decade you go out like you're not like worst case scenario you try and run a business for eight years, 10 years. 36:36.075 --> 36:36.155 [SPEAKER_01]: And 36:36.895 --> 36:38.436 [SPEAKER_01]: You just have incurred more debt. 36:38.676 --> 36:39.477 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, great. 36:39.577 --> 36:45.381 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same as if you would have gone to grad school to become, you know, whatever, but at least you You tried to build something on your own. 36:45.881 --> 36:47.282 [SPEAKER_01]: You start doing that stuff from your 32. 36:47.422 --> 36:48.783 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, now you got some savings. 36:48.823 --> 36:50.104 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you're trying to buy a house. 36:50.124 --> 36:51.564 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got all this other stuff in the works. 36:51.584 --> 36:54.406 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you do it in your 40s or 50s. 36:54.466 --> 36:55.147 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, shit. 36:55.187 --> 36:56.748 [SPEAKER_01]: Now like the house is collateral. 36:56.808 --> 37:00.510 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got all this stuff that's, you know, you're just your risk is so much higher. 37:00.530 --> 37:02.511 [SPEAKER_01]: You might lose your retirement if this goes south. 37:02.851 --> 37:04.533 [SPEAKER_01]: Like roll the dice early and 37:05.353 --> 37:08.814 [SPEAKER_01]: You can always find a job down the road or start something else. 37:09.495 --> 37:10.775

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll tell you this, man. 37:13.496 --> 37:22.359 [SPEAKER_02]: I wish I made enough money or I kind of did that because I think one of the keys that happiness especially for a man is if your wife can be a stay at home mom. 37:22.959 --> 37:24.480 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying this is for everybody. 37:24.800 --> 37:32.463 [SPEAKER_02]: If you can set your life up to where your wife can take care of the house and take care of the kids, that would be an ultimate goal of mine. 37:33.263 --> 37:39.966 [SPEAKER_02]: Not for me to stop working, but to make enough money to where my wife can stop working, and then she gets the house. 37:39.986 --> 37:42.507 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like, look at everything inside the walls here. 37:42.927 --> 37:51.311 [SPEAKER_02]: You take care of, you take care of the kids getting them back and forth to wherever they need to go, you sign them up, you make their lunches and dinners and breakfasts and all that stuff. 37:51.831 --> 37:55.313 [SPEAKER_02]: And that may sound like not what is, 37:56.306 --> 37:58.628 [SPEAKER_02]: possible these days, but that's the goal, right? 37:58.648 --> 38:11.358 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to make enough money at some point, get rid of some debt at some point to where my wife can stop working, and she can take care of the debt or not the debt, the kids, and then after that, if the kids are gone, then she can help me with a business. 38:11.699 --> 38:15.422 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's, I don't know, that would be one of my goals anyway. 38:16.022 --> 38:18.444 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah, all that could agree more. 38:18.824 --> 38:22.567 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you that, like, from a regret standpoint, 38:26.870 --> 38:27.871 [SPEAKER_02]: I have one regret. 38:28.872 --> 38:29.433 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe two. 38:29.973 --> 38:30.193 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 38:30.654 --> 38:43.247 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the one kind of crosses over into the hunting space, but what I will say is, I left a relationship, and this is not a girl. 38:43.287 --> 38:47.311 [SPEAKER_02]: This was another guy that it was a friend of mine. 38:49.012 --> 38:50.594 [SPEAKER_02]: I left on bad terms with him. 38:51.909 --> 38:56.212 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he died, and there was no reconciliation. 38:56.252 --> 38:58.693 [SPEAKER_02]: There was no, how do I put this? 38:58.713 --> 39:13.662 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 39:14.454 --> 39:21.925 [SPEAKER_02]: that you're never going to have that conversation with that person again, and do that sad for quite a ways because 39:25.477 --> 39:25.857 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 39:26.097 --> 39:31.901 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like, it wasn't me, my style to get mad at someone for certain things. 39:32.301 --> 39:35.343 [SPEAKER_02]: And I felt like I was wrong. 39:36.584 --> 39:40.187 [SPEAKER_02]: And, and I'm sure he felt that same way. 39:40.827 --> 39:42.908 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we were really good friends. 39:42.988 --> 39:46.551 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it was like boom, done. 39:46.751 --> 39:48.152 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a, he made a decision. 39:48.292 --> 39:49.833 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't like the decision that he made. 39:50.353 --> 39:51.494 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt, um, 39:53.118 --> 40:16.285 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt bad about it, and then I resented him for it, and then we were really close, and then boom done, and then he died, and now hopefully someday I'll be able to talk to him again, but as of right now, that's definitely not going to happen, so that's a 40:22.221 --> 40:23.062 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the one regret. 40:23.102 --> 40:32.167 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, my other regret would be me drinking, which led to me not experiencing what I love and that's the outdoors, right? 40:32.368 --> 40:46.096 [SPEAKER_02]: Instead of going out west and hunting elk in those conditions as a 25 year old, 26 year, you know, 25 to 30 year old, I just sat in a bar and drank and party hard, right? 40:46.336 --> 40:48.098 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I wanted to do instead of 40:48.778 --> 41:07.045 [SPEAKER_02]: the the uh that and I regret that because I was 11 years of my life dude I had my first alcoholic drink as a seventh greater that's how my daughter is or like she's right around that age now she's an eighth grader and I first time ever got drunk was an eighth grade so I know times you're a little bit different 41:07.745 --> 41:24.068 [SPEAKER_02]: but I regret spending that much time basically drinking and partying and thinking that that was cool instead of going and accomplishing something or going and being like, yeah dude, I climb that mountain. 41:24.921 --> 41:27.942 [SPEAKER_02]: Instead, I would say, hey, listen, I sat in that bar stool. 41:28.522 --> 41:49.750 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, come on, dude, I wasted 11 years of my life, and the older I get, the more I understand how valuable time is, and life is, and having that awakening where you kind of, you wasted that many years of your life, you're just like, holy shit, dude, and so I regret that a little bit. 41:54.736 --> 42:01.158 [SPEAKER_02]: All of that made me right here right now talking to you, and that is what I enjoy. 42:01.439 --> 42:04.200 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe I regret it, maybe I don't, you know what I mean? 42:04.220 --> 42:06.040 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 42:06.641 --> 42:08.401 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, do you have a hunting regret? 42:09.882 --> 42:11.562 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just thinking about that, man. 42:19.405 --> 42:20.606 [SPEAKER_00]: I think honestly, 42:22.037 --> 42:26.710 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's again, it's not a regret because it wouldn't have the

experiences that I have now wouldn't have the deer. 42:27.863 --> 42:37.045 [SPEAKER_01]: on the wall, that's something that matters to people, that I do now, I wish I were to start a hunting public sooner, honestly. 42:37.405 --> 42:38.566 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that answer, dude. 42:39.006 --> 42:39.926 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that answer. 42:40.166 --> 42:54.609 [SPEAKER_01]: I learned so much shit in the last five years that in the 10 years prior to that, it was hunting the same piece of private ground and following the same rules and stuff like that, oh, this is how you have to hunt an area. 42:58.350 --> 43:07.743 [SPEAKER_01]: You know this time of year and under these conditions you need like need to wait from the cold front and all that sort of stuff when like if I would have just gone in and started actually reading sign and like 43:09.113 --> 43:28.995 [SPEAKER_01]: develop the wood's been shipped at an earlier age to identify like oh okay it's you know the last week of September first week of October like cool there's a big rub line down here and this one scrape is starting to open up I can probably you know make a game plan off of that I can see that up you know on the way maybe not on this oak flat but on the way to it 43:29.905 --> 43:33.887 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of nettles, or a bunch of pokeweeds, or something like that, that's all browsed down. 43:33.907 --> 43:37.049 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh shit, I bet they're browsing on that on their way to there. 43:37.669 --> 43:52.358 [SPEAKER_01]: And just, I wish I would have spent more time honing that, um, yeah, especially like kind of in more immediate hindsight, and I obviously don't have anywhere close to all my shit figured out in that regard, but like it's still, 43:57.100 --> 44:03.563 [SPEAKER_01]: immediately like right now how much I've learned in the last couple of years it's something I just wish I would have done so much sooner. 44:04.144 --> 44:20.252 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man, I cannot tell you how much I feel like the next generation of hunters is let me let me ask you if this is fair to say guys like us, right? 44:21.274 --> 44:22.295 [SPEAKER_02]: were hardcore. 44:22.335 --> 44:23.595 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we went through the ringer. 44:23.615 --> 44:24.636 [SPEAKER_02]: We learned the hard way. 44:24.656 --> 44:26.197 [SPEAKER_02]: We got busted a thousand times. 44:27.197 --> 44:29.158 [SPEAKER_02]: I start to see guys like us. 44:29.258 --> 44:33.941 [SPEAKER_02]: They want success for their kids in the woods so bad that they're willing to coddle them. 44:34.761 --> 44:39.144 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the next thing you know, they become adults and they don't know a shit about deer hunting. 44:39.444 --> 44:40.485 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that fair? 44:40.705 --> 44:43.106 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is that 100% deer hunting? 44:43.806 --> 44:44.307 [SPEAKER_01]: That's funny. 44:44.367 --> 44:48.089 [SPEAKER_01]: I just talked with the guy last week in one of my episodes. 44:48.109 -->

44:49.149 [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually one that came out today. 44:50.610 --> 45:09.902 [SPEAKER_01]: we were I was asking him about this because he's been getting this kids into the outdoors and they're don't call man their age they're sub 10 like they're their younger kids and um i kind of picked his brain on that like how do you balance early success with like and and 45:11.032 --> 45:32.397 [SPEAKER_01]: longevity for lack of a better term right like do you think it's critical or do you think that it's it's gonna just kind of like we all see you know whatever outdoor YouTube channel or you know on the outdoor channel like oh so and so is you know it's his tenth birthday and we're gonna go out and get him a buck and then he shoots this thing off of a food plot and it's 160 inch giant and it's like 45:35.933 --> 45:41.778 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool, but it almost feels like that was more for you than it was for the kid, right? 45:41.918 --> 45:44.521 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and like, is that kid going to be like, okay, great. 45:44.541 --> 45:55.650 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm happy I shot this deer, but more so because it made dad or grandpa or whoever happy rather than, oh my gosh, I just shot the buck of a lifetime. 45:55.670 --> 45:59.854 [SPEAKER_01]: I can also, like, I don't know if you've got as asking a lot of awareness, but like, 46:01.401 --> 46:25.247 [SPEAKER_01]: where do you go from there like you set the bar that high I'm not saying that like every kid should start at a spike or a number and then you know go up from there but we got into a good conversation about that and I think it's it's because I was the complete opposite I didn't have like I basically learned how to hunt with my dad as he was learning as well we had a couple people who would come out and hunt our my folks place and 46:25.927 --> 46:28.450 [SPEAKER_01]: They knew a little bit, but it was always only during the nine day. 46:28.490 --> 46:33.175 [SPEAKER_01]: I was the first bow hunter to ever hunt our property, you know, at least in the time that my parents owned it. 46:33.964 --> 46:38.047 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a lot of just trial and error trying to figure stuff out. 46:38.087 --> 46:47.392 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I remember those early years at the time, you know, minimum age is 12, and then you had to be with an arms length of a parent until you were 14, and then so on and so forth. 46:47.452 --> 46:57.478 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember the first two years gone hunting, did like we'd see a dough, or we'd see, you know, maybe two doughs, and then shit would just be desolate. 46:57.598 --> 46:59.219 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we didn't know what the hell we were doing. 46:59.239 --> 47:00.580 [SPEAKER_01]: And like a hindsight, knowing how. 47:01.300 --> 47:05.025 [SPEAKER_01]: how these deer behave in our property, especially now there's a hell of a lot more pressure for me. 47:06.406 --> 47:08.048 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you learn those things, but 47:09.039 -->

47:16.423 [SPEAKER_01]: For a while there, it was like, I remember going to school and looking at, you know, talking to bodies who went on the youth hunter or something, a shot in eight point. 47:16.463 --> 47:19.824 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, how the fuck did you shoot an eight point or like, where? 47:19.984 --> 47:22.085 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, is it just down to good ground? 47:22.125 --> 47:26.107 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it down to like, having, you know, you had a ladder stand? 47:26.147 --> 47:27.368 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a ladder stand. 47:27.548 --> 47:30.049 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it, you know, what is that factor in? 47:30.109 --> 47:35.052 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, man, I, I always say this, like, I don't want to sound jaded. 47:36.032 --> 47:40.734 [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm confident that I had I had early success. 47:40.974 --> 47:48.337 [SPEAKER_01]: I would not have appreciated nor what I have to drive today to continue figuring this thing out. 47:48.357 --> 47:53.920 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if it's just those early years of that shit just eating at me of like what is going on? 47:54.040 --> 47:55.120 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is it not working? 47:55.160 --> 47:56.441 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to figure this out. 47:56.981 --> 47:58.402 [SPEAKER_01]: That's then just stemmed into. 47:59.502 --> 48:02.003 [SPEAKER_01]: who I am today, or what exactly. 48:02.083 --> 48:08.086 [SPEAKER_01]: So with the the verdict we landed on was you need success, but it's got to be intermittent or it got to be not. 48:08.126 --> 48:08.966 [SPEAKER_02]: It has to be learned. 48:09.626 --> 48:10.727 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it has to be earned. 48:10.807 --> 48:11.387 [SPEAKER_01]: 100%. 48:11.447 --> 48:11.647 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 48:11.687 --> 48:12.028 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 48:12.048 --> 48:12.408 [SPEAKER_01]: 100%. 48:12.488 --> 48:15.309 [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be, or at least you have to know that you're in the game. 48:15.389 --> 48:20.611 [SPEAKER_01]: Something has to, you have to have a close call here or there just to keep them invested. 48:20.631 --> 48:22.192 [SPEAKER_01]: So they know that it can happen. 48:22.232 --> 48:24.053 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't go out into the woods and get scumped. 48:24.673 --> 48:26.195 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here's on and you know what I mean? 48:26.215 --> 48:34.865 [SPEAKER_02]: 100% my my son was watching a video on YouTube this kid He is in a ground blind. 48:35.085 --> 48:36.406 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a hard side of ground blind 48:37.222 --> 48:38.363 [SPEAKER_02]: him and his dad are in there. 48:38.863 --> 48:46.067 [SPEAKER_02]: It is over top of a large property manicured food plots, all that stuff, right? 48:46.728 --> 48:50.410 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, there's 20, 30 deer in this food plot. 48:51.431 --> 48:57.294 [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, you know, he's like, uh, yeah, my son's out here for his personal record. 48:57.314 --> 48:58.815 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're going after his biggest buck. 48:58.835 --> 48:59.916 [SPEAKER_02]: He's ever

shot. 48:59.936 --> 49:03.758 [SPEAKER_02]: And he shoots it and it's like, uh, he shoots it with a, I can't remember if 49:07.920 --> 49:13.302 [SPEAKER_02]: Think of Crossbow and yeah, yeah, and my son goes dude, he's a really good hunter. 49:13.382 --> 49:21.645 [SPEAKER_02]: I go he didn't do anything except show up You probably know more about deer movement than this kid does. 49:22.165 --> 49:22.646 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right? 49:22.866 --> 49:35.831 [SPEAKER_02]: And you've you've shot one doe your whole life Right me while this kid's got pride, you know, he's probably same age as my older boy and he's got a wall full of deer already Right, and so I look at that and I go, but what does he know? 49:37.370 --> 49:37.691 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 49:37.751 --> 49:38.351 [SPEAKER_02]: What does he know? 49:38.371 --> 49:40.532 [SPEAKER_02]: What did he learn from this experience? 49:41.133 --> 49:49.438 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's maybe the goal there is to learn from the experience of getting them excited and joy for joy. 49:49.658 --> 49:52.980 [SPEAKER_02]: But the second you take that hunter outside of that environment. 49:54.021 --> 49:55.002 [SPEAKER_02]: What do they know? 49:55.142 --> 50:00.245 [SPEAKER_02]: How do they know how to have fun in a tree stand without seeing deer? 50:00.625 --> 50:02.547 [SPEAKER_02]: Do they know how to eat a tag? 50:03.568 --> 50:06.369 [SPEAKER_02]: right like so far my my boy ate a tag this year. 50:07.209 --> 50:11.210 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're yeah, we're going to go try to get one done during shotgun season now. 50:11.651 --> 50:13.591 [SPEAKER_02]: But as of right now, he's eating tag soup. 50:14.251 --> 50:25.875 [SPEAKER_02]: And so if if those kids if they if they're just if their dad is just putting him on deer and putting him on deer and don't get me wrong, I'm a guide for my son this youth season. 50:26.215 --> 50:29.136 [SPEAKER_02]: My goal was to put him on deer and we had some 50:31.857 --> 50:51.673 [SPEAKER_02]: At the same time, I don't have the land, I don't have the ability for food plots, I don't have the tower blinds, and this kind of, I'm going to get my posted note here, flew off of my computer, so I'll grab it. 50:53.045 --> 51:07.538 [SPEAKER_02]: right and so that would be um that would be one of the next things that I wanted to talk talk about today was like Instagram pictures and like what the 51:08.965 --> 51:14.728 [SPEAKER_02]: You have no idea what goes into this, and this is a personal thing. 51:15.108 --> 51:16.749 [SPEAKER_02]: This is where I get extremely frustrated. 51:17.269 --> 51:25.274 [SPEAKER_02]: When you see a guy go, oh my god, and then you just fill in the blank, what I'm about to say. 51:26.114 --> 51:29.856 [SPEAKER_02]: Blank is the best deer hunter there is, right? 51:30.256 --> 51:33.098 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, are you out of your fricking mind? 51:33.878 --> 51:35.699 [SPEAKER_02]: This guy is successful because 51:37.950 --> 51:59.546 [SPEAKER_02]: right and that's that may make me sound jaded and let those people do whatever they want with their money right if you want to buy a giant farm plant food plots grow deer to bigger shoot them take your picture and then say hey shit I worked hard for this go do it dude go do it but that's not that is not what made me a good deer hunter 52:00.495 --> 52:01.155 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right? 52:01.516 --> 52:06.459 [SPEAKER_02]: Just because you kill big bucks doesn't make you a good hunter. 52:07.019 --> 52:07.880 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me ask you this. 52:08.160 --> 52:12.823 [SPEAKER_01]: If you had an unlimited budget, what would change about your hunting style? 52:14.160 --> 52:17.361 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'd own the ground is that I would hunt, right? 52:17.501 --> 52:18.562 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 52:18.962 --> 52:21.283 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, to me, that's the only difference I can think of. 52:21.903 --> 52:26.405 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, my style, I feel like I would still be aggressive. 52:27.245 --> 52:33.708 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have the security to know where the pressure, I would be able to control the pressure, which is what these guys are doing. 52:34.168 --> 52:34.368 [SPEAKER_02]: Right? 52:34.769 --> 52:39.712 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not so sure that I wouldn't do the same thing that these guys are doing. 52:40.092 --> 52:50.119 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think most of it comes down to the actual stories that are being told and how they're communicating what the hunt was all about. 52:51.059 --> 52:51.280 [SPEAKER_02]: Right? 52:52.270 --> 52:59.933 [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's so much work by these guys who are growing and growing white tails managing for age class and antler size. 53:00.813 --> 53:05.815 [SPEAKER_02]: The effort that they put in is admirable on the front end, right? 53:05.875 --> 53:08.436 [SPEAKER_02]: They put in the work doing the habitat management. 53:08.636 --> 53:11.297 [SPEAKER_02]: They have excellent trigger control, right? 53:11.377 --> 53:14.518 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to need to have trigger control to pass up a 180 inch. 53:16.739 --> 53:20.542 [SPEAKER_02]: Five-year-old in hopes that the next couple years he turns 200. 53:20.582 --> 53:27.305 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what that's what the top 1% of the 1% are doing Okay, I heard it's statistic the other day. 53:27.325 --> 53:31.428 [SPEAKER_02]: This is only 1% of White-tail bucks grow to 1.60. 53:33.649 --> 53:33.889 [SPEAKER_02]: 1%. 53:33.909 --> 53:36.431 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so 80% of our eight pointers or something like that. 53:36.491 --> 53:39.372 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, something like that That's crazy, right? 53:39.432 --> 53:40.273 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, um 53:42.446 --> 54:08.191 [SPEAKER_02]: that's unrealistic if they're trying to compare that what you're doing and this has been a topic that i've talked about on the podcast since i started the podcast was how unrelatable the content is and i think some of these guys have really had to shift their uh...

how they communicate their hunts to the uh... to their audience because the audience is un as now since the birth of youtube and 54:11.292 --> 54:19.196 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know like people sharing different versions of what success looks like across the country, right? 54:19.416 --> 54:22.897 [SPEAKER_02]: That message is like, well, here's what I do, right? 54:23.597 --> 54:30.981 [SPEAKER_02]: I, and this is, this is almost kind of leading right into the topic, the extra topic. 54:31.441 --> 54:35.943 [SPEAKER_02]: But the, um, here's what I do. 54:37.000 --> 54:40.927 [SPEAKER_02]: I like to hunt deer in October or December when the food is. 54:41.188 --> 54:42.470 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a huge fan of the rut. 54:43.412 --> 54:49.083 [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, 90% of the people out there are going, I get one week of vacation. 54:50.767 --> 55:01.896 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to use it at a hypothetical cold front coming through non-breeding season timeframe on the less I have the food source, unless I have them on cell cam regular basis. 55:02.356 --> 55:10.963 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna hunt the rut because the chaos of the rut and the increased deer movement deer on their feet is actually going to help me if I sit in this pinch point. 55:11.703 --> 55:11.924 [SPEAKER_02]: Right? 55:12.124 --> 55:16.307 [SPEAKER_02]: Because, you know, do you know what statistic I would love to know? 55:17.428 --> 55:18.969 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's out there, but I don't know it. 55:19.528 --> 55:29.362 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be the number of acres, the average bow hunter has access to or the deer hunter. 55:32.650 --> 55:32.870 [SPEAKER_02]: right? 55:33.430 --> 55:35.411 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it is it a hundred acres? 55:36.012 --> 55:37.933 [SPEAKER_02]: My guess is it's much lower than that. 55:38.593 --> 55:38.973 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally. 55:39.173 --> 55:39.433 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 55:40.894 --> 55:44.276 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know that that all depends too. 55:44.876 --> 55:56.802 [SPEAKER_02]: There's so it would be kind of a gray area because if you have if if I if I if I if I threw in the a question like I would say like a 30 minutes from where I live there's a big public chunk of property. 55:58.063 --> 56:00.244 [SPEAKER_02]: And so if I'd brought that into the equation 56:01.405 --> 56:07.890 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, okay, well, that could be skewed, but that's not all Hannibal ground, too. 56:07.930 --> 56:11.353 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of it's farmed and, and so I don't know. 56:12.373 --> 56:14.075 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you digging, are you digging for a number? 56:14.835 --> 56:21.140 [SPEAKER_01]: I tried, yeah, I just didn't, and I, oh, there, I couldn't find anything on it, but yeah, still. 56:21.160 --> 56:28.265 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so, I don't know, it's just, it's one of those things where, the reason I get fired up about this every year 56:31.371 --> 56:31.871 [SPEAKER_02]: every year. 56:32.011 --> 56:33.732 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is including myself. 56:33.772 --> 56:35.073 [SPEAKER_02]: Man, I mean, I'm a podcaster. 56:35.113 --> 56:41.175 [SPEAKER_02]: I give my own advice of what I would do, but my advice would be to go do your own thing. 56:41.676 --> 56:47.538 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen to what you and your knowledge of your properties that you have asked to is, but it's November. 56:47.858 --> 56:50.540 [SPEAKER_02]: And so now, all the bullshit comes out. 56:50.660 --> 56:51.940 [SPEAKER_02]: Or excuse me, it's October. 56:52.280 --> 56:57.223 [SPEAKER_02]: And right about now, I scroll through Instagram, Facebook, you're starting to see all these talking. 56:57.903 --> 57:01.886 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, all the big dogs, they're saying, like, okay, well, here's what I do. 57:02.126 --> 57:02.967 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's what I do. 57:03.147 --> 57:04.788 [SPEAKER_02]: This is what you should try to do this. 57:04.908 --> 57:05.348 [SPEAKER_02]: Do this. 57:05.729 --> 57:09.871 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just like, you know how unrelatable that is, right? 57:10.492 --> 57:17.877 [SPEAKER_02]: Or, or you see the pictures of the big bucks that are getting killed right now on Instagram, look in the background. 57:18.097 --> 57:24.802 [SPEAKER_02]: They're all dead in, like, giant food plots or the trophy picture is in a, giant food plot. 57:25.102 --> 57:25.803 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm now again. 57:26.765 --> 57:40.716 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying all of them, but what I am saying is like, just look, do just look at what's happening there and put the pieces of the puzzle together for yourself. 57:41.396 --> 57:46.620 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's not hard to say like these guys are spending big bucks on big bucks. 57:53.863 --> 58:12.642 [SPEAKER_01]: The best information you're going to get is from somebody who hunts like in a similar area, like the same species, similar terrain, and a similar situation to you, right, like those those things are what's going to give you the most relevant information. 58:12.682 --> 58:13.903 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times too, it's like 58:15.069 --> 58:16.249 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, dude. 58:16.269 --> 58:19.530 [SPEAKER_01]: I love, like, non-hunting resources. 58:20.011 --> 58:25.992 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I love, like, if I see a farmer on the side of the road, like, ask him how harvest is going and like, all you're seeing a big deer around here? 58:27.073 --> 58:30.154 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, talk to them, talk to the male people. 58:30.234 --> 58:32.314 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're, you know, familiar with them, I don't know. 58:32.334 --> 58:32.895 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of weird. 58:32.915 --> 58:33.955 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it seems like, every week. 58:34.895 --> 58:35.475 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 58:35.896 --> 58:40.437 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the male system I feel like is, is... Oh, dude, they're out on the, they're out on the gravel roads every day. 58:40.777 --> 58:41.037 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 58:41.457 --> 58:41.857 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 58:42.018 -->

58:42.758 [SPEAKER_02]: Talk to the guys. 58:43.706 --> 58:49.669 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they were the ones, too, like, I mean, even like an Iowa, I know they, I don't know if they still have the male people do it or not. 58:49.709 --> 58:59.333 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they did like the Fescent Service, and they used to have them basically do like all the pulp counts and everything like that when you're driving on gravels and all that, like most of that information came from 59:00.357 --> 59:03.399 [SPEAKER_01]: male ladies and garbage truck drivers, you know? 59:03.439 --> 59:06.862 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. 59:07.342 --> 59:08.663 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man, so I don't know. 59:08.923 --> 59:21.412 [SPEAKER_02]: That was just one thing that was on my mind as we start to get, you know, because everybody wants to talk to the people who are the most successful at killing the big giant antlerd bucks, right? 59:21.633 --> 59:23.394 [SPEAKER_02]: But those people don't hunt like me and you do. 59:24.014 --> 59:24.655 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 59:25.776 --> 59:27.197 [SPEAKER_02]: And even I feel, 59:28.747 --> 59:29.808 [SPEAKER_02]: guilty saying that. 59:30.229 --> 59:35.074 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you've seen some of the pictures that I've posted and shared with you a big deer that I'm chasing this year. 59:36.636 --> 59:43.023 [SPEAKER_02]: That is also top 10, 5% of the rest of the nation, right? 59:43.083 --> 59:43.623 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, dude. 59:43.643 --> 59:44.885 [SPEAKER_02]: I hunt and Southern Iowa. 59:45.065 --> 59:48.869 [SPEAKER_02]: I have two farms in Southern Iowa that add up to over 1,000 acres. 59:49.310 --> 59:50.151 [SPEAKER_02]: So, like 59:51.763 --> 01:00:14.666 [SPEAKER_02]: people in Vermont right now are going dan johnson you son of a bitch like you have no clue you have no clue what it's like to go and hunt a farm in Vermont and see four deer in entire year right i can i can walk into the woods and really make a lot of mistakes and see four deer yeah every night you know what i mean and so i don't know me and i just 01:00:15.422 --> 01:00:39.235 [SPEAKER_02]: the pressure, all that stuff, so what I ultimately want to say is like just good luck to all the people out there and be as observant as possible when you go into make your decisions and don't get influenced by people like me who are saying, well like, I do this, this and this, I also hunt in Iowa, dude, and dude, I've walked to a tree stand and deer just look at me. 01:00:39.715 --> 01:00:53.223 [SPEAKER_02]: So, and then I've also hunted Michigan, so I do have a little perspective there, some public land where I was in a tree stand I watched a dough and a spike buck pop out and they were just looking right ahead and then the dough went like 01:00:54.338 --> 01:00:55.859 [SPEAKER_02]: and then just look right at me. 01:00:56.499 --> 01:01:00.080 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, Oh, fuck, it is true here. 01:01:00.220 --> 01:01:02.041 [SPEAKER_01]: They walk around with their heads looking up. 01:01:02.361 --> 01:01:03.362 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's not to me. 01:01:04.062 --> 01:01:05.482 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did 100%. 01:01:05.602 --> 01:01:09.784 [SPEAKER_01]: And like the biggest thing to is like as we head into late October, right? 01:01:12.125 --> 01:01:14.786 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no new information necessarily. 01:01:16.767 --> 01:01:17.587 [SPEAKER_01]: We say as we 01:01:22.982 --> 01:01:28.705 [SPEAKER_01]: We all like, like, don't overthink it because scrapes are opening up right now. 01:01:29.285 --> 01:01:33.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Boxes are starting, if they're not already there, they're moving into their fall ranges right now. 01:01:35.007 --> 01:01:41.810 [SPEAKER_01]: As we get closer to the end of October and early November, we will start to see daylight activity from box hitting scrapes. 01:01:41.930 --> 01:01:43.991 [SPEAKER_01]: We know that cold fronts in October. 01:01:44.271 --> 01:01:49.774 [SPEAKER_01]: 10 to Bowdwell as long as you're not, you haven't already overpressured a scrape or an area 01:01:53.975 --> 01:02:06.718 [SPEAKER_01]: As long as you can access it and get in and more important to get out without alerting every deer in the county or in that area, like, I mean, I'm going to throw a set at one tomorrow night that 01:02:07.987 --> 01:02:31.715 [SPEAKER_01]: if I don't get an arrow in him before daylight I'm going to be stuck in that tree for at least an hour before I can get out of there because for the last several nights he's been coming through like within the last 20 minutes either before or after daylight last three nights he's been after daylight and if I don't see him I can't move I won't ruin that spot 01:02:34.438 --> 01:02:34.738 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 01:02:34.758 --> 01:02:42.981 [SPEAKER_01]: Just take all the advice with a grain of salt and if you're seeing deer sign and it's fresh. 01:02:43.021 --> 01:03:02.027 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're seeing freshly kicked open scrapes, not the dry crusty ones that are all like the muds all cracked and everything or not the scrapes or not the rubbs you excuse me and have a bunch of mildew on them already like find some fresh deer sign, find a fresh big track. 01:03:02.538 --> 01:03:05.901 [SPEAKER_01]: in an area that it looks like deer would want to go through, right? 01:03:06.401 --> 01:03:08.643 [SPEAKER_01]: And throw a set at it. 01:03:08.883 --> 01:03:10.985 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't don't overthink it, you know? 01:03:11.005 --> 01:03:12.446 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man. 01:03:12.866 --> 01:03:19.031 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you're capable of that, really, or if your property allows you to do that, maybe only if five acres, don't know. 01:03:19.632 --> 01:03:20.252 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know what I mean? 01:03:21.293 --> 01:03:22.654 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay. 01:03:23.455 --> 01:03:25.296 [SPEAKER_02]: The last thing I want to talk, we've been on an hour. 01:03:25.576 --> 01:03:26.597

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what we've covered. 01:03:27.037 --> 01:03:27.278 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably. 01:03:28.397 --> 01:03:33.919 [SPEAKER_02]: If I do like to spend one of our more productive ones, I like it though, if I like these conversations do. 01:03:34.319 --> 01:03:41.301 [SPEAKER_02]: And like I said, I'm doing this for me, man, okay, mid-October. 01:03:41.441 --> 01:03:43.002 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the 13th. 01:03:43.062 --> 01:03:49.344 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know when people usually say the October low, low happens. 01:03:50.184 --> 01:03:54.746 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't give a shit, honestly, that's me, but I want you to finish this sentence. 01:03:56.247 --> 01:04:05.131 [SPEAKER_02]: the October law is temporary. 01:04:06.712 --> 01:04:10.153 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it is a transitional period, I think. 01:04:11.574 --> 01:04:19.117 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, if you have had, I don't know, it is, it is temporary. 01:04:19.237 --> 01:04:21.438 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a transitional period and it is not worth 01:04:25.067 --> 01:04:29.589 [SPEAKER_01]: Because like I said, we know what's going to happen in two weeks or in three weeks. 01:04:29.649 --> 01:04:31.149 [SPEAKER_01]: We all know what's going to happen. 01:04:32.049 --> 01:04:35.390 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this deer didn't disappear. 01:04:35.491 --> 01:04:36.331 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't leave. 01:04:36.911 --> 01:04:39.792 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't, you know, he, he might be on a different pattern. 01:04:40.232 --> 01:04:43.573 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually, that same, I threw a camera in this one bottom. 01:04:44.734 --> 01:04:45.754 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that I, 01:04:46.533 --> 01:04:48.314 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of on the edge of this big CRP field. 01:04:48.334 --> 01:04:50.115 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been set aside for the last 10 years. 01:04:50.155 --> 01:04:55.457 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, I mean, the big blue stem and like all the prairie grasses are like fully established. 01:04:55.477 --> 01:04:57.178 [SPEAKER_01]: It is like hardcore established prairie. 01:04:57.978 --> 01:05:01.219 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's not a lot of trees except for just on the edge, right? 01:05:01.279 --> 01:05:02.440 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I found some fresh grapes. 01:05:02.980 --> 01:05:13.264 [SPEAKER_01]: And I threw a camera based on the only tree that I could that was kind of pointing towards these two freshly open scrapes that were just ripped up. 01:05:15.447 --> 01:05:39.892 [SPEAKER_01]: What I've learned from having a camera further back and not just direct the on the scrape I've got buck's going through there all hours of the night early you know like around dusk and dawn like you expect them But I've only seen my target buck actually work this scrape that I would have otherwise put a camera over one time in the last five days But he's been there multiple times every single night 01:05:40.623 --> 01:05:46.108 [SPEAKER_01]: So don't trust your cameras entirely during the October law, right? 01:05:46.448 --> 01:05:51.553 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you shouldn't trust your cameras in trust your cameras at all ever, right? 01:05:51.653 --> 01:05:52.534 [SPEAKER_02]: Unless it's 360. 01:05:52.994 --> 01:05:56.437 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you can get a really good idea of whatever's coming through there. 01:05:56.477 --> 01:06:01.241 [SPEAKER_02]: And if it can look up and down and right, and I all that stuff, yeah, that's fair. 01:06:01.882 --> 01:06:02.523 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair, man. 01:06:02.923 --> 01:06:04.865 [SPEAKER_02]: Man, the October law is 01:06:09.502 --> 01:06:15.389 [SPEAKER_02]: trying to think of a, like, I think people should stop believing in it. 01:06:15.489 --> 01:06:16.531 [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like Santa Claus. 01:06:17.091 --> 01:06:19.594 [SPEAKER_02]: I think to me to be honest with you, I'm not joking. 01:06:19.614 --> 01:06:21.337 [SPEAKER_02]: Man, the October law is Santa Claus. 01:06:21.697 --> 01:06:24.180 [SPEAKER_02]: The October law is something that 01:06:25.682 --> 01:06:47.179 [SPEAKER_02]: that is not real man statistics and science scientific data say it's not real um you can say they're loading for the uh they're loading for the rut they're they're it's like oh man well we got to rest this week bullshit that's not what's happening man let me ask you this do you think 01:06:54.155 --> 01:06:56.936 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to go back and maybe do a little research on this. 01:06:57.256 --> 01:07:14.363 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that the lifespan of the October law and the popularity of the October law runs in parallel or synchronously with the onset and the increase in the number of trail cams in the woods? 01:07:16.105 --> 01:07:20.428 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you think it like for me comes from people just being like, well, my camera's dried up, right? 01:07:20.448 --> 01:07:22.970 [SPEAKER_01]: I never get shit on my camera of middle of October. 01:07:23.090 --> 01:07:24.291 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think it's camera driven. 01:07:24.471 --> 01:07:25.812 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think it's camera driven. 01:07:25.892 --> 01:07:36.939 [SPEAKER_02]: My I would have to disagree because my cameras have been ramping up and are continuing to ramp up for the number of deer in a given day that I'm getting captured and sent to me. 01:07:42.444 --> 01:07:55.903 [SPEAKER_02]: This is my guess, a bunch of field-edge hunters that have started to, this is back in the day, field-edge blind box blind hunters who went in there in one day after 01:07:57.185 --> 01:08:14.210 [SPEAKER_02]: It started getting co-cooler that deer have moved off of green or they've moved off of whatever food source that was right in front of them their summer patterns into a false fall shift and then they started going somewhere else and they did not adjust for that movement. 01:08:14.710 --> 01:08:30.792 [SPEAKER_02]: or they overpressure them in a specific area because they've hunted every day and they're just like, well, the deer aren't

here, must be the October Lowell and then the hit-rutt hits and now they're back again because of the chaos of the rut in the buckshin, the doze all over the place. 01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:37.601 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, or they overhunted that that field edge stand in the box caught onto them or like exactly Yes, I'm gonna hang back. 01:08:37.661 --> 01:08:38.462 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. 01:08:38.922 --> 01:08:40.663 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude October lol band. 01:08:40.703 --> 01:08:45.604 [SPEAKER_02]: Come on give me and then and so who's telling you about the October lol and it being real? 01:08:46.285 --> 01:08:47.465 [SPEAKER_02]: How do they hunt oh? 01:08:47.585 --> 01:08:49.566 [SPEAKER_02]: They hunt over food plots and in box blinds? 01:08:50.426 --> 01:08:52.427 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh Coincidence? 01:08:53.307 --> 01:08:54.588 [SPEAKER_02]: Coincidence dude 01:08:56.095 --> 01:09:04.550 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't heard the, uh, I haven't heard the punning public dudes talk about the, uh, October low, much, right? 01:09:05.031 --> 01:09:08.037 [SPEAKER_02]: Those guys, they're, they're killing all types all times a year. 01:09:09.029 --> 01:09:15.592 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and I don't know if that's a good reference or not, but if you go out and make it happen, you can make it happen, right? 01:09:16.913 --> 01:09:26.598 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll put this, the reason that I'm successful in November, early November, or in most of the time, it's been in a pre-right phase, right? 01:09:26.618 --> 01:09:32.921 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna say from November 5th and earlier is when the bucks are ready to breed and the dozer not. 01:09:33.621 --> 01:09:35.762 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the best time to be out in the woods, okay? 01:09:38.155 --> 01:09:38.355 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 01:09:38.375 --> 01:09:46.607 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have a trail camera out or you've seen a deer come out on a certain corner of a field two days in a row and you move there and you shoot them on the third. 01:09:46.767 --> 01:09:47.668 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's really good. 01:09:48.389 --> 01:09:48.529 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 01:09:48.549 --> 01:09:50.352 [SPEAKER_02]: You've made a really good decision there. 01:09:51.013 --> 01:09:52.615 [SPEAKER_02]: And so man. 01:09:53.953 --> 01:10:18.651 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... if i had a t-shirt and i was i wasn't afraid but uh... like all the other parents at the kids sporting events would think of me i would have a t-shirt that says fuck the october law right or the october law is bullshit yeah and then dude i'm just the other kids parents are already scaredy it's who's oh shit it's dead johnson 01:10:19.442 --> 01:10:21.025 [SPEAKER_02]: Here he comes, turn around, walk away real quick. 01:10:21.566 --> 01:10:21.807 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 01:10:22.448 --> 01:10:25.074 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I did it, it's like it's just nonsense. 01:10:25.695 --> 01:10:30.565 [SPEAKER_02]: And the other thing is it's very easy to get on board with the October law. 01:10:31.396

--> 01:10:35.380 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you've haunted already a couple of times this year. 01:10:35.400 --> 01:10:37.742 [SPEAKER_02]: Some people probably have haunted a couple of times this year. 01:10:38.322 --> 01:10:40.444 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm going to take a break because I need to get back home. 01:10:40.464 --> 01:10:42.125 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to get back to work for a couple of weeks. 01:10:42.486 --> 01:10:44.648 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I need to make things at home. 01:10:44.708 --> 01:10:47.270 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's really easy to support Dr. Bilal. 01:10:47.810 --> 01:10:47.991 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 01:10:48.131 --> 01:10:48.251 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 01:10:48.291 --> 01:10:51.734 [SPEAKER_02]: It's easy to be like, Ah, well, I'm going to go to some pumpkin patches. 01:10:51.814 --> 01:10:54.997 [SPEAKER_02]: Make the life happy so that I can burn all those bridges in November. 01:10:56.044 --> 01:10:56.544 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? 01:10:56.564 --> 01:10:57.564 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the gun season's here. 01:10:57.604 --> 01:10:59.305 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go another weekend. 01:10:59.645 --> 01:11:03.085 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's very easy to use the October Lola's an excuse not to hunt. 01:11:04.526 --> 01:11:12.967 [SPEAKER_02]: If I could, and if I lived, if I lived, if behind me here was 100 acres, where I could go hunt or 50, whatever I'd go hunt. 01:11:14.268 --> 01:11:14.468 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 01:11:15.648 --> 01:11:21.189 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, all right, we talked a little bit about the October Lola, but we've been talking quite a bit here. 01:11:21.229 --> 01:11:21.969 [SPEAKER_02]: How much time do you have? 01:11:23.369 --> 01:11:23.690 [SPEAKER_02]: You're good? 01:11:26.675 --> 01:11:39.618 [SPEAKER_02]: There is a cold front coming across the west, okay, you know, and it's happening at a time where I need to ask you a question. 01:11:39.638 --> 01:11:41.498 [SPEAKER_02]: Me and you were lucky, right? 01:11:41.558 --> 01:11:42.859 [SPEAKER_02]: We if we're going to go on it. 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:43.819 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right. 01:11:43.839 --> 01:11:46.099 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be in a tree on Friday night or Thursday night. 01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:46.839 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 01:11:47.980 --> 01:11:49.580 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, however, 01:11:51.339 --> 01:11:59.606 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you wasting PTO on this cold front with it being the 14th and 15th or 16th of October? 01:12:00.167 --> 01:12:07.033 [SPEAKER_02]: And if it takes away from your PTO in the second week in November, or first week in November? 01:12:08.434 --> 01:12:12.498 [SPEAKER_01]: I could see it, if you've got a stand that is bulletproof and you've got 01:12:13.098 --> 01:12:15.159 [SPEAKER_01]: you've been getting consistent camera activity. 01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:21.341 [SPEAKER_01]: There's like a pile of sign down there and you know that you can get in and out quick and clean. 01:12:21.821 --> 01:12:24.542 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I would definitely burn some on Friday. 01:12:24.622 --> 01:12:30.165 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's tough, man, cause like Saturday, I know by us that low is supposed to hit like 31. 01:12:31.589 --> 01:12:34.490 [SPEAKER_01]: and like, dude, I'm, I'm kind of kicking myself. 01:12:34.530 --> 01:12:40.352 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going morning's, you're going to go morning or just after, yeah, dude, I go morning for sure on Saturday. 01:12:40.832 --> 01:12:45.553 [SPEAKER_01]: If I could, if I had it my way, I would get off early Friday, but take off early Friday. 01:12:45.573 --> 01:12:50.015 [SPEAKER_01]: I would go through a Sydney evening, leave my shit in the tree, and then go back on Saturday morning. 01:12:50.575 --> 01:13:03.023 [SPEAKER_01]: And just slip in and out that way as long as you can get in and out, dude, I would throw the old one to punch at it and see what's what because that frosty morning you know all hell is going to break loose like it and if you've got a spot that is bulletproof. 01:13:04.064 --> 01:13:20.029 [SPEAKER_01]: you have to like in my opinion you gotta like I've got it and I say that as I've got what my target book you know consistent in camera and I'm hoping that I can third you know what I mean so I I if I had nothing I'd probably be like I don't know I'd probably just wait so that's just me but 01:13:21.057 --> 01:13:21.317 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 01:13:21.337 --> 01:13:21.758 [SPEAKER_01]: What about you? 01:13:22.759 --> 01:13:25.281 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so this is where it's getting tricky for me. 01:13:25.341 --> 01:13:28.183 [SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be a little bit of rain, but I don't think it's going to be a ton. 01:13:28.684 --> 01:13:28.964 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:13:29.044 --> 01:13:29.605 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a huge. 01:13:29.765 --> 01:13:38.092 [SPEAKER_02]: Now if it rained for 24 to 48 hours and then came with a huge cold dump, then I would then I would a hundred percent be jacked about it. 01:13:38.633 --> 01:13:40.634 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm I'm hunting. 01:13:41.395 --> 01:13:42.376 [SPEAKER_02]: because I want to hunt. 01:13:42.697 --> 01:13:49.446 [SPEAKER_02]: It just so happens that it's going to match up with a cold front, and I don't have any youth activities until Sunday this week. 01:13:50.047 --> 01:13:54.353 [SPEAKER_02]: So what, like, see, Wednesday, night. 01:13:56.464 --> 01:14:07.215 [SPEAKER_02]: Wednesday night, I have youth activities, and then Thursday night, it's supposed to rain, but it's supposed to end around three or four o'clock, which means that I might go do that. 01:14:07.516 --> 01:14:10.579 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, you said something there that got me really fired up. 01:14:11.179 --> 01:14:15.864 [SPEAKER_02]: I think people are afraid to do this, man, leave your shit in the tree. 01:14:16.645 --> 01:14:18.327 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that way in the morning. 01:14:18.527 --> 01:14:19.808 [SPEAKER_02]: I just climb up and buckle up. 01:14:19.828 --> 01:14:20.268 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

01:14:20.288 --> 01:14:20.969 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. 01:14:21.369 --> 01:14:23.311 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you just sit down and you're quiet. 01:14:23.771 --> 01:14:25.413 [SPEAKER_01]: You know exactly what you're getting into. 01:14:25.733 --> 01:14:26.093 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not. 01:14:26.233 --> 01:14:28.956 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have that because we've all done it right. 01:14:28.976 --> 01:14:31.498 [SPEAKER_01]: You go in and maybe you're scouting or something. 01:14:31.518 --> 01:14:32.339 [SPEAKER_01]: You pick out a tree. 01:14:32.959 --> 01:14:55.427 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you go in two weeks later in the dark now and a half before and you're like sitting there like okay I don't want to kick a headlamp on maybe you're maybe I do I don't know But then you're sitting there trying your fumbling around you don't remember what the trees like you can go in at like four o'clock You know well before last light there go in you can be quiet You can map out like use the tracker on your on X so you know it's that they what route you got to take 01:14:56.063 --> 01:15:03.654 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, I mean, if you're somebody who leaves, you know, like, landscape or the surveyors tape or like, you know, cat eyes or something like that, don't do it on the public. 01:15:03.694 --> 01:15:12.146 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll pull them out, but uh, but like, if you're somebody who does that, like, you asshole, you asshole. 01:15:13.088 --> 01:15:16.832 [SPEAKER_02]: You have resulted in people getting lost in the woods, you son of a bitch. 01:15:17.312 --> 01:15:22.197 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's all right, but it's a fair game, hey, technically you're littering, right? 01:15:22.598 --> 01:15:33.209 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be hilarious if you if you moved those cat eyes to a different location where you're following them, but it's like holy shit, I'm like 200 yards from where I... 01:15:34.291 --> 01:15:39.776 [SPEAKER_02]: That's weird, I don't remember being this steep, that's how I'm standing in the river right now. 01:15:39.796 --> 01:15:43.419 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the war mile of marsh and river that, whatever, that's... 01:15:45.361 --> 01:15:46.482 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, do you like... 01:15:48.184 --> 01:15:48.544 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 01:15:49.465 --> 01:15:55.389 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be worth throwing throw in the sit if you can, especially yeah, that's what we're talking about going the, yeah, yeah. 01:15:55.409 --> 01:16:00.073 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I believe it's not a crazy, it's not a crazy, it's not a crazy temperature. 01:16:00.293 --> 01:16:02.915 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like today, I think the highs are supposed to be upper. 01:16:02.935 --> 01:16:06.297 [SPEAKER_02]: We're, we're at any way upper 50s tomorrow. 01:16:06.338 --> 01:16:14.964 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to start to cool down again, excuse me, upper 60s, another day of upper 60s, the cold front is going to come through and I think. 01:16:15.504 --> 01:16:24.750 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it either Thursday or Friday's supposed to be mid-50s so it's gonna be a 10 degree temp drop The Friday's gonna be super windy too. 01:16:25.131 --> 01:16:25.971 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, super windy. 01:16:26.592 --> 01:16:27.352 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the deal though. 01:16:28.233 --> 01:16:40.381 [SPEAKER_02]: The it is one a hundred percent Breeding season right it's the breeding season portion of this that a deer if if he's not ready to get up and start moving 01:16:41.157 --> 01:16:50.808 [SPEAKER_02]: then he's not, I have hunted a ton from 2010 to 2020 or 2006 to 2020ish time frame, um, do I hunted a ton of October cold fronts and they resulted in nothing. 01:17:00.478 --> 01:17:01.839 [SPEAKER_02]: they resulted in nothing. 01:17:02.380 --> 01:17:03.301 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 01:17:03.561 --> 01:17:09.106 [SPEAKER_02]: You bring that, you bring this code from that's coming and you add two weeks to it to the late October. 01:17:09.506 --> 01:17:10.907 [SPEAKER_02]: That's when I start to get fired up. 01:17:11.167 --> 01:17:17.533 [SPEAKER_02]: You add a code front to November, or the first two weeks in November, then I'm starting to get cold fired up. 01:17:17.973 --> 01:17:18.714 [SPEAKER_02]: But right now, 01:17:22.620 --> 01:17:33.311 [SPEAKER_01]: bring in the breeding season right it does it just does that's that's a great point to make we're like just because there's a cold front doesn't mean that everything's all of a sudden going to crack into the rut. 01:17:34.041 --> 01:17:39.887 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're still hunting food, you're still hunting scrapes, you're still hunting, you know, whatever you've been hunting. 01:17:40.047 --> 01:17:42.910 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's still technically like early season, right? 01:17:42.950 --> 01:17:43.130 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:17:43.531 --> 01:17:44.432 [SPEAKER_01]: Or that transition. 01:17:44.612 --> 01:17:44.852 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:17:45.132 --> 01:17:47.615 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's a very, very important distinction. 01:17:47.635 --> 01:17:50.358 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't sit there and blow up your best pinch point or something. 01:17:50.378 --> 01:17:50.918 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:51.879 [SPEAKER_02]: But I will say this. 01:17:53.122 --> 01:17:55.184 [SPEAKER_02]: Friday Northwest wind dude. 01:17:55.264 --> 01:18:04.213 [SPEAKER_02]: It's first one of these Northwest winds higher wind velocities all signs point to deer on their feet a little bit more, right, and based off science. 01:18:04.634 --> 01:18:12.081 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what I'm going to do Northwest wind maybe, you know, and then what's going to happen is Friday night. 01:18:12.462 --> 01:18:13.222 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just going to. 01:18:14.023 --> 01:18:15.284 [SPEAKER_02]: go real fast real fast. 01:18:15.324 --> 01:18:17.645 [SPEAKER_02]: And then that wind's going to die down right at prime time. 01:18:17.665 --> 01:18:21.587 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it always does sun goes down behind

the clouds or behind the horizon. 01:18:21.607 --> 01:18:26.649 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have probably 30 minutes and I feel like that's when the action starts. 01:18:26.849 --> 01:18:28.930 [SPEAKER_02]: We got about 30 minutes get close to betting. 01:18:29.171 --> 01:18:36.534 [SPEAKER_02]: That's I'm going to on it in a very small staging area that's really close to betting and I feel like the deer going to be on their feet. 01:18:36.814 --> 01:18:40.296 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel the wind is going to be strong enough for me to. 01:18:42.497 --> 01:18:43.738 [SPEAKER_02]: get in undetected. 01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:48.363 [SPEAKER_02]: And also in the tree, it's just going to blow my scent a million miles away. 01:18:48.943 --> 01:18:51.626 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm all good, but so we'll see. 01:18:51.806 --> 01:18:52.207 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see. 01:18:52.347 --> 01:18:57.151 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm going to pickle here because I, I, we booked, 01:18:59.538 --> 01:19:09.306 [SPEAKER_01]: guide trip to go over to Michigan, like northern Michigan and fish Sam and Steelhead, which is not unfortunate, but it's booked on Friday as our trip. 01:19:09.627 --> 01:19:16.592 [SPEAKER_01]: And so Thursday we leave so my only opportunity to hunt any portion of this is Wednesday night or Saturday morning. 01:19:17.810 --> 01:19:21.373 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll be I'll be missing the meat of it, but I think Saturday morning. 01:19:21.393 --> 01:19:29.919 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll see what I can do besides from that You know Wednesday night if you're gonna be tagged out you're gonna be tagged out tonight anyway That boys walking by you tonight, dude. 01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:31.139 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping man. 01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:31.980 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:33.781 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping well 01:19:35.082 --> 01:19:35.402 [SPEAKER_02]: Pierce. 01:19:35.542 --> 01:19:38.043 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for an hour and 20 minutes of your time. 01:19:38.103 --> 01:19:39.183 [SPEAKER_02]: I really did appreciate it. 01:19:39.523 --> 01:19:40.343 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for having me. 01:19:40.363 --> 01:19:45.924 [SPEAKER_02]: But I thanks all of the listeners of the nine finger Chronicles podcast. 01:19:45.964 --> 01:19:47.085 [SPEAKER_02]: I really do appreciate it. 01:19:47.685 --> 01:19:48.585 [SPEAKER_02]: Do me a huge favor. 01:19:48.625 --> 01:19:49.845 [SPEAKER_02]: Go to Spotify. 01:19:49.885 --> 01:19:50.926 [SPEAKER_02]: Go to Apple Podcast. 01:19:50.946 --> 01:19:55.927 [SPEAKER_02]: Wherever you download this podcast and give us a five star review. 01:19:55.987 --> 01:19:57.047 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd really appreciate it. 01:19:58.167 --> 01:19:58.507 [SPEAKER_02]: Pierce. 01:19:59.187 --> 01:20:01.508 [SPEAKER_02]: I might have to give you like honorary 01:20:02.388 --> 01:20:26.339 [SPEAKER_02]: honorary co-hosting and there's never been there's never been a co-host for the nine finger chronicles no but I know but you might get honorary mention I'll take it all right you can put that on put that on your resume next time you've got LinkedIn bio yeah for that getcha or you could be you could like put my name as a as a reference and when they call you they're like hey uh yeah 01:20:28.260 --> 01:20:39.949 [SPEAKER_02]: Pierce is the fucking man and you know, I just like I'm your height man Like and so you'll get whatever job you no matter what you're getting a job if you have me as a reference I appreciate that buddy. 01:20:40.089 --> 01:20:47.975 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, throw it on there All right everybody where you're safety harness be safe God bless and we'll talk to you when we talk to you