Full Transcript for Catching Up With Fred Eichler

--> 04:18.113 [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle calling if you will you know to be sometimes that's not hunting so much as is you know managing a predator managing a resource you know to be in sadly here in Colorado you know and you know you know we're having all kinds of barriers issues you know to be so sadly you know sportsman's are 04:18.694 --> 04:42.339 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's forced when I'm taking a lot of these bears a lot of these bears are getting harvested, you know, I say harvested, you know, killed by game horns because there's no other choice there, you know, maybe it's because it's a dry year and they don't have many berries up in the mountains, so, you know, sadly management is super important and most hunters realize that, but a lot of people that aren't, they just can't fathom, you know, they can't fathom those numbers, you know, they don't, they don't understand it, right, 100%. 04:45.558 --> 04:50.860 [SPEAKER_00]: So I have a just kind of a whole bunch of random questions to ask you today. 04:51.240 --> 04:54.021 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to maybe it's in chronological order. 04:54.221 --> 04:55.402 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's not. 04:56.302 --> 05:03.404 [SPEAKER_00]: But before we get into today's episode, I just want to send a huge shout out to the partners of this podcast. 05:03.424 --> 05:05.945 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's wasp week, we'll start off with Wasp. 05:06.706 --> 05:09.587 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, how many years do you think you've been using a Wasp 05:10.861 --> 05:12.122 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, you know what's cool is. 05:12.542 --> 05:14.202 [SPEAKER_01]: I used to sell wasprodheads. 05:14.803 --> 05:22.026 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, this really dates me, but almost 40 years ago, we sold in short wasproddynamics. 05:22.046 --> 05:23.526 [SPEAKER_01]: It was an archery shop that I managed. 05:23.546 --> 05:24.667 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was really cool. 05:25.467 --> 05:32.610 [SPEAKER_01]: Shut a lot of stuff, but wasp has been not only out in the industry, make it broadheads for over 50 years. 05:32.970 --> 05:38.613 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and you, I'm sure know this, but they came out with like the first commercially available replaceable bait bod head. 05:38.933 --> 05:39.694 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not. 05:39.754 --> 05:47.378 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they've been making great broadies for over 50 years and they have the opportunity to tweak one of their designs was a pretty cool deal, you know, as well. 05:47.659 --> 05:47.879 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 05:48.059 --> 05:48.539 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. 05:49.080 --> 05:50.721 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad they're a partner. 05:51.543 --> 06:02.992 [SPEAKER_00]: And I Fred, he works there, and I always talk, I always come back to something that Fred says about Wasp that I found was really cool. 06:03.492 --> 06:09.037 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, we don't need to come out with a brand new broadcast every single year. 06:09.577 --> 06:12.720 [SPEAKER_00]: And I love that because I'm also the type of hunter.

06:13.400 --> 06:16.581 [SPEAKER_00]: who, if it works, I'm going to stick to it. 06:16.701 --> 06:20.702 [SPEAKER_00]: So for me, my go to head is the three blade jackhammer. 06:21.123 --> 06:26.224 [SPEAKER_00]: And I crushed a ton of white tails with that head. 06:26.884 --> 06:28.485 [SPEAKER_00]: And I love it. 06:28.885 --> 06:31.428 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, the setup works and it's cool. 06:31.488 --> 06:35.632 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know why marketing always tries to be sexy around broadheads. 06:36.072 --> 06:46.342 [SPEAKER_00]: I just love the fact that when I hit a deer with a jackhammer, it does a ton of destruction and it's gory and it's bloody and that's what you want at the end of the day. 06:46.362 --> 06:48.344 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to kill the animal so quickly. 06:48.684 --> 06:54.565 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Lauren that works with me is used them for elk and bear and deer and turkeys all kinds of stuff. 06:54.585 --> 07:00.946 [SPEAKER_01]: So it is that's a that's a great head, but like you said, they don't need to come out with one every year because they've been doing it over 50 years. 07:01.026 --> 07:02.886 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, most people can't can't say that. 07:02.946 --> 07:04.847 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's pretty, pretty impressive. 07:04.927 --> 07:11.948 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, you, man, once I find something that works, like whether it's boots or whether it's a truck, I'd rather not change it. 07:11.968 --> 07:15.609 [SPEAKER_01]: Because when you go back to go get another wood there, like, oh, no, we don't have that model anymore. 07:15.669 --> 07:16.149 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 07:22.310 --> 07:25.271 [SPEAKER_00]: Next on the list, we have Ozonix, Sennelimination product. 07:25.311 --> 07:27.412 [SPEAKER_00]: Go check out Ozonixhunting.com. 07:27.432 --> 07:30.053 [SPEAKER_00]: It puts out O3, which is ozone. 07:30.153 --> 07:33.214 [SPEAKER_00]: It distorts your scent profile while in the tree stand. 07:33.234 --> 07:34.174 [SPEAKER_00]: It kills bacteria. 07:34.795 --> 07:36.095 [SPEAKER_00]: Go check out Ozonix. 07:36.515 --> 07:38.356 [SPEAKER_00]: Next on the list, we have vapor trail. 07:38.776 --> 07:43.618 [SPEAKER_00]: One of my personal favorite bow accessories, because I can beat the shit out of my equipment. 07:47.659 --> 07:47.999 [SPEAKER_00]: true. 07:48.420 --> 08:10.037 [SPEAKER_00]: After I drag my bow through the South Dakota Prairie or drop it out of a tree stand or whatever the case is, go check out vapor trail archery, vortex optics, range finders, red dots, rifle scopes, spotting scopes, binoculars, you name it, they have all the optics you need, including all of the accessories mounting accessories for your firearm. 08:10.617 --> 08:17.818 [SPEAKER_00]: reveal trail cameras has has just came out with a new 4.0 version of their of their cameras. 08:17.938 --> 08:23.180 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a badass a ton ton of new functionality in that camera. 08:23.480 --> 08:26.800 [SPEAKER_00]: So go

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and, you know, a lot of the stuff that I wasn't trapping and clawed on. 10:21.195 --> 10:22.716 [SPEAKER_01]: this is this is home. 10:23.076 --> 10:23.277 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 10:23.857 --> 10:28.120 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's always a time, especially in a young man's life. 10:28.240 --> 10:34.925 [SPEAKER_00]: I went through this as well, where I wanted to spread my wings and go check out other places, right? 10:35.005 --> 10:38.307 [SPEAKER_00]: And eventually, for me, I made my way back to Iowa. 10:38.327 --> 10:39.508 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where all my family was. 10:39.888 --> 10:42.970 [SPEAKER_00]: But for you, can you describe 10:43.926 --> 10:50.922 [SPEAKER_00]: the feeling of wanting to get away from where you were and go exploring different places of the U.S. 10:52.279 --> 10:52.679 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, man. 10:52.879 --> 10:56.841 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think a lot of people have that little bit of a, you know, wanderlust, I guess, if you will. 10:57.561 --> 11:00.542 [SPEAKER_01]: And mine was always driven by my passion, you know, to me, which is hunting. 11:01.483 --> 11:09.726 [SPEAKER_01]: The toughest thing about it was, you know, to be in a family, you know, being super close with my family, my dad and me, you know, even now, you know, we talk every other day, probably. 11:10.166 --> 11:11.867 [SPEAKER_01]: But, but it was cool. 11:11.907 --> 11:13.688 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was just I wanted to see. 11:14.768 --> 11:31.452 [SPEAKER_01]: a lot because of Fred Bear, you know, Fred Bear did such a great job as videos inspired me and the people probably more than that, but you know, and I was one of the ones that was inspired as well, to do a lot of things that Fred had done or seen or described in his books, you know, or in his videos. 11:32.052 --> 11:35.953 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's really what I wanted to do and, you know, it was blast. 11:35.993 --> 11:36.673 [SPEAKER_01]: It's still a blast. 11:36.693 --> 11:40.454 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, meeting new people, seeing new places, having new adventures, 11:42.074 --> 11:49.357 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then starting an outputting business and getting my dad involved and, you know, the boys involved as just been an awesome, you know, it's been fun. 11:49.377 --> 11:49.897 [SPEAKER_01]: It was worth it. 11:49.937 --> 11:50.937 [SPEAKER_01]: I still love to go home. 11:51.457 --> 12:06.283 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like you said, you go back to what Midwest, you know, and, and, you know, it's nice to be nice to be home and hang out with family, but for me, it's nice to go run around and, you know, chase all kinds of critters in different places. 12:06.583 --> 12:12.796 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you remember why you decided Colorado was the place for you? 12:13.813 --> 12:14.593 [SPEAKER_01]: got an offer to job. 12:15.074 --> 12:15.514 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 12:15.934 --> 12:21.637 [SPEAKER_01]: I was, yeah, I was working in a pro shop and in Florida, an archery pro shop. 12:21.657 --> 12:31.961 [SPEAKER_01]: So archery literally been my life and, you know, working for Frank Scott, the bear archery pro shop and man walked in and offered me a job managing his archery shop and Fort Collins, Colorado. 12:32.561 --> 12:37.364 [SPEAKER_01]: And I had gone to Colorado when I was 18, driven up there with some buddies, elk hunting. 12:37.764 --> 12:38.244 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, 12:38.784 --> 12:45.791 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man, that sounds pretty interesting, but I'm not sure and so he said, well, come on, check out my shop and he did something kind of dirty. 12:45.811 --> 12:50.075 [SPEAKER_01]: He took me to a place called Estus Park and I don't know if you've ever heard of Estus Park. 12:50.515 --> 12:51.156 [SPEAKER_01]: You ever heard of that? 12:51.316 --> 12:52.457 [SPEAKER_00]: I've heard of Estus Park. 12:52.497 --> 12:54.299 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like there's 12:55.408 --> 13:22.671 [SPEAKER_01]: hundreds of L giant six by six bulls walking around in town in the golf course there's huge big horn sheep a big Thompson king and you know on the rocks there's giant mule deer there's just it's just like you go there and you're like oh my gosh so he showed me that and you know I was ready to pay him to work for him after that so yeah it was pretty funny it was it was I I joked to them a lot I was like man that was that was dirty that was dirty and so you were hooked at that point 13:23.287 --> 13:24.087 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir, Dan. 13:24.147 --> 13:26.268 [SPEAKER_01]: I was, yeah, I was, I was hopelessly lost at that point. 13:26.288 --> 13:26.608 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 13:27.489 --> 13:34.311 [SPEAKER_00]: How did curiosity, what did you learn in your life from spending so much time working at a bow shop? 13:36.072 --> 13:40.574 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, that's a hard one to pin down. 13:40.734 --> 13:42.354 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so many things. 13:42.875 --> 13:50.778 [SPEAKER_01]: Some good, some bad, honestly, you know, camaraderie, which is definitely one of the great ones, you know, to be, you know, 13:51.893 --> 14:10.224 [SPEAKER_01]: like-minded people getting together, you know, it didn't matter whether they were young or old or wealthy or not or, you know, from all walks of life, you know, it didn't matter, you know, religion, anything, it didn't matter, you know, they were brought together because of a common passion, something that, you know, all of them shared. 14:10.604 --> 14:13.506 [SPEAKER_01]: So I really love that about it. 14:14.166 --> 14:19.469 [SPEAKER_01]: The bad thing, I guess, in a way, was the competition with hunting. 14:21.205 --> 14:22.987 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very competitive, but not with hunting. 14:23.647 --> 14:28.412 [SPEAKER_01]: And I say that because I love, you know, if you're shooting a tournament, it's fun to compete. 14:29.252 --> 14:39.662 [SPEAKER_01]: But the bad part of the Bo Schopper things that I learned sometimes to chase for the giant trophy, the biggest one on the,

you know, wall, led people to do things they shouldn't. 14:41.688 --> 14:51.332 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the mind's bigger than yours or somebody trying to push what was a trophy to them off on other people and even kids. 14:51.572 --> 14:55.174 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that was something that, you know, that bothered me. 14:55.214 --> 14:57.875 [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess, you know, an archery shops like a lot of things. 14:57.935 --> 14:59.296 [SPEAKER_01]: You, you know, 15:00.862 --> 15:07.544 [SPEAKER_01]: you watch people, you're around people and you try and learn things and you try to emulate the ones you respect or enjoy being around. 15:07.964 --> 15:13.886 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you don't or actively go against the ones that don't. 15:14.387 --> 15:14.567 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 15:15.087 --> 15:15.287 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 15:16.667 --> 15:18.088 [SPEAKER_00]: Were you active like? 15:19.165 --> 15:22.791 [SPEAKER_00]: You were working in a bow shop in Florida, working for Bear. 15:23.191 --> 15:26.957 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you got pulled to Colorado to a bow shop. 15:27.698 --> 15:34.468 [SPEAKER_00]: In that span of time, were you ever competing in archery competitions throughout the world? 15:34.488 --> 15:34.669 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes sir. 15:34.969 --> 16:02.028 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, you know, yeah, I've competed a lot of different places, but yeah, I was doing a lot of tournaments back then loved it a lot of traditional stuff, you know, shooting it the great Western shoot out the, you know, all kinds of different, you know, local and and state tournaments and loved it had a blast, you know, it's just good time again it was camaraderie and I look at all I looked at it all was hunting practice some people took it super serious, you know, to be but, you know, I was like this is great, you know, I'm going to be really tuned up for season. 16:02.428 --> 16:07.691 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what year, if you can remember what year did you move to Colorado? 16:08.492 --> 16:16.576 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was it was late 80s, Fred Bird passed away, late 80s, so, you know, I want to say it was that 89, 90s, something like that. 16:16.696 --> 16:26.302 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, and so you were right around that time is where you did you also dive into all the western species, 16:31.930 --> 16:32.971 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, no. 16:32.991 --> 16:34.633 [SPEAKER_01]: So I started that even before. 16:34.773 --> 16:41.239 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, at 18 years old, I went to Florida with some buddies drove from Florida. 16:41.619 --> 16:43.261 [SPEAKER_01]: And we just went nuts. 16:43.301 --> 16:47.505 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when Elkund and thought it was an awesome, like cool thing ever. 16:48.246 --> 16:50.688 [SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of started, you know, that addiction when I was 18. 16:51.669 --> 17:01.513 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, as soon as I got to Colorado, I mean, you can imagine the owner of the shop was an avid, not only guide, you know, hunting guide, but he was also an avid hunter. 17:01.973 --> 17:08.456 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was great to benefit from his lifetime of experience, you know, hunting all kinds of big game and call a rado. 17:09.456 --> 17:14.799 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of took it to the next level and then, you know, I was running lions with dogs and 17:18.160 --> 17:29.631 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it was, it was something that just as soon as I got there, it was hit the ground running on, you know, all the different species called rato has to offer, you know, we've got 10 of the 29 species right here in the state. 17:29.871 --> 17:41.242 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's pretty amazing when you've got, you know, basically a third of the super slam if you will in one state most states don't don't have that and that's super unique right. 17:41.882 --> 17:54.652 [SPEAKER_00]: was was that always your plan to get out and try to do some of the, you know, to hunt as many possible species and to go after the North American slam and things like that or is that something that kind of grew on you? 17:55.733 --> 17:59.356 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you know, Dan, and I know, I'll do you. 17:59.956 --> 18:00.176 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm 45. 18:01.326 --> 18:15.246 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you're younger than I am, but I was around and working in the arts industry when not only, you know, Fred Bear had just passed, like I said, when I was, you know, to be, oh, I guess I would have been 19 years old. 18:18.210 --> 18:21.292 [SPEAKER_01]: Fred Bear was the first one I wanted to emulate as far as hunting went. 18:21.332 --> 18:33.481 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, my dad was always my mentor, but I'd say, you know, Fred Bear and some of the other guys and the hunting industry were my archery idols, I guess, you know, or hunting idols, like, wow, man, that's so cool and they've done some amazing things. 18:33.521 --> 18:38.144 [SPEAKER_01]: So it kind of started out down with being one to try and take some of the animals that Fred Bear had harvested. 18:38.405 --> 18:38.585 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 18:38.745 --> 18:45.190 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew I would never take a big ol' tiger elephant and some of those things, but I thought boy, it'd be neat to experience some of the things Fred experience. 18:45.910 --> 18:52.992 [SPEAKER_01]: But then, all I think was late, 80s or early 90s, Chuck Adams finished the super slam. 18:53.592 --> 18:54.572 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's the one that named it. 18:54.612 --> 18:55.552 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody'd ever heard of it. 18:55.672 --> 18:58.533 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, you know, it had taken all the species. 18:59.233 --> 19:02.734 [SPEAKER_01]: At that time, I want to say it was 26, maybe 27 now there's 29. 19:03.214 --> 19:04.574 [SPEAKER_01]: But I was just like, what? 19:04.935 --> 19:06.535 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a coolest thing I've ever heard. 19:06.575 --> 19:12.976 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, it's like the Everest, to me, I was like, that's like the Everest to bow on, and you know, I wonder if I

have what it takes, 19:15.377 --> 19:17.800 [SPEAKER_01]: physically and mentally go after all those species. 19:18.400 --> 19:25.928 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that became my goal then was was to, I didn't know if I'd get it done my whole lifetime, you know, kind of like people aspiring to do different things. 19:26.348 --> 19:28.310 [SPEAKER_01]: But I thought boy, would be neat to chip away. 19:28.430 --> 19:30.252 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's when that started then. 19:30.573 --> 19:30.713 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 19:30.753 --> 19:31.353 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 19:32.515 --> 19:35.418 [SPEAKER_00]: Talk to me a little bit about how 19:37.885 --> 19:43.368 [SPEAKER_00]: Hunting has changed, not necessarily for you, but just the environment. 19:43.909 --> 19:47.351 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you moved to Colorado in 1990. 19:47.931 --> 19:57.717 [SPEAKER_00]: And here we are, all those years later, with technology and digital mapping and digital point applications and things like that. 19:57.757 --> 20:01.379 [SPEAKER_00]: We have units take forever to get in, things like that. 20:01.459 --> 20:05.721 [SPEAKER_00]: Talk to me a little bit about how you've seen hunting change from 1990 to today. 20:08.901 --> 20:22.567 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's made people not as woods-wise or, you know, when I was coming up, you know, there was a term he's woodsy or, you know, he's an outdoorsman or an outdoors woman. 20:23.668 --> 20:34.853 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, whether that was starting a fire, whether that was no one how to find your way back to the truck, whether that was no one how to, you know, use a compass, you know, 20:35.513 --> 20:38.634 [SPEAKER_01]: where to where to place your camp. 20:39.034 --> 20:50.318 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think a lot of the technology, if you will, as made people in general, Dumber, you know, that we rely so much. 20:50.859 --> 20:55.000 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've under with guys where they're, you know, they're their phone dies. 20:55.260 --> 20:57.341 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like, yeah, I know I'd get back. 20:57.401 --> 20:58.802 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't pull up my onix. 20:59.062 --> 20:59.522 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, 21:00.865 --> 21:05.107 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can get this back so yeah, don't give me wrong. 21:05.127 --> 21:22.815 [SPEAKER_01]: There's there's there's a lot of neat things that have come out of it to like You know, I make you know, I since had make fun of it, but sometimes I poo poo or looked at my nose a little bit at some technology But you know some of the trail cameras on the market today and you know, you know with a cell phone, I mean they're handy, right? 21:22.835 --> 21:25.557 [SPEAKER_00]: You know they are handy, but I think we can take them 21:26.397 --> 21:44.247 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, to agree where that's, that's all people rely on, you know, to be united when I was a kid, you know, my dad was, you know, showing me the little intricacies so you could tell the difference between a deer track and a hog track and, you know, a gobler from a hand and, you know, opening up animals even to see what they were eating. 21:44.767 --> 21:47.148 [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't going to some app to learn about animals. 21:47.208 --> 21:48.909 [SPEAKER_01]: I was out in the field, learning about animals. 21:49.009 --> 21:53.392 [SPEAKER_01]: I was skinning on myself and, and I think there's a lack of 21:54.717 --> 21:55.177 [SPEAKER_01]: knowledge. 21:55.237 --> 22:06.424 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think I think technology has in a way taken away a lot of knowledge that people used to have to learn or when they were relying on themselves. 22:06.444 --> 22:07.865 [SPEAKER_01]: So I could go on and on about this. 22:07.925 --> 22:09.626 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there's advantages to it. 22:09.646 --> 22:10.526 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I use some of it? 22:11.227 --> 22:16.430 [SPEAKER_01]: 100% do I think it's the end all the be all or that people should totally rely on it? 22:16.750 --> 22:17.390 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think it's 22:20.601 --> 22:37.514 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of like it's hard to know how to work on your vehicle, you know, my dad needs to be able to change breaks and pull out a thermosat on the Jeep and do all this stuff, you know, but then there were times when he was busy, he would take it into to do it, but you know, there's people now that wouldn't know how to change their oil on their vehicle if they had to, because they just, 22:38.775 --> 22:39.676 [SPEAKER_00]: you didn't get it worked on. 22:39.716 --> 22:53.288 [SPEAKER_01]: So, right, I kind of went all over there, but yeah, there's there's pluses and minuses to technology, and I think it's changed in a bad, and you know, in a little bit of a negative way, I also think the focus on huge animals is hurting the industry. 22:53.509 --> 22:58.873 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we got to go back to like, when I was younger, it was more about, man, we just got, you know, we got some great meat. 22:59.094 --> 23:01.976 [SPEAKER_01]: We filled up our freezer with fish, we filled up our freezer with 23:04.198 --> 23:13.007 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, now it's, I see the focus on, oh, it was a 200 inch white tail and, you know, it was a, you know, 400 inch bull and, and that's great. 23:13.247 --> 23:16.951 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and for people that that's the the reason for you out there, that's awesome. 23:16.971 --> 23:21.856 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know it takes, you know, skill and to go after one certain animal. 23:22.516 --> 23:24.098 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you 23:24.238 --> 23:26.279 [SPEAKER_01]: that doesn't need to be the focus. 23:26.319 --> 23:49.168 [SPEAKER_01]: I think especially for anti-hunners or people that are on the fence, I think we've got to bring it back to what it's really about, which is, you know, it's about being outside with either yourself and being more self-aligned, hanging out with your family, or it's about putting food on the table, and that's

your organic food that, you know, it doesn't have growth hormones or any junk shot in it, and it's really good and healthy to eat. 23:50.197 --> 23:57.564 [SPEAKER_01]: We shouldn't, I think that I'd like to see the focus taken off a little more on the, you know, I got one that's two inches bigger than yours. 23:57.885 --> 24:11.158 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've, I agree 100% with what you're saying, the hunting industry is also the hunting kind of pairs up with the hunting culture of today. 24:11.618 --> 24:13.940 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is the focus on big antlers. 24:14.741 --> 24:26.345 [SPEAKER_00]: My, I always say, whenever I get to talking about this, is the only way to stop the path, keep, you know, we're on a certain path right now. 24:26.626 --> 24:43.212 [SPEAKER_00]: And it is the pay to play the, the, the average Joe isn't going to be able to have the same opportunities that the guys with money have, or, you know, along those lines, inches matter more than experience, all of that stuff. 24:43.792 --> 24:51.418 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you think that we re-center or like course correct the hunting culture to bring it back to more of a more inclusive back like at the beginning like when you were like when I was a kid and when you were in your 20s? 24:51.438 --> 25:06.710 [SPEAKER_00]: So you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don 25:07.630 --> 25:13.033 [SPEAKER_01]: You covered a lot there, but yeah, on my side, I think there's still some amazing opportunities on public land. 25:13.153 --> 25:14.874 [SPEAKER_01]: I take animals on public land every year. 25:15.374 --> 25:23.018 [SPEAKER_01]: Last year, I took my horse and went up into Montana, never been in the area before and you know, got a bear on public land. 25:23.418 --> 25:26.060 [SPEAKER_01]: This year, I went up to Idaho on public land. 25:26.080 --> 25:29.081 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I elkund, you know, a lot of times on public land. 25:29.121 --> 25:29.862 [SPEAKER_01]: I wipedale hunt. 25:30.722 --> 25:33.163 [SPEAKER_01]: I do a Kansas tag this year for public land. 25:33.724 --> 25:35.785 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it kind of goes back to what we were talking about. 25:36.565 --> 25:37.626 [SPEAKER_01]: It takes some work. 25:37.827 --> 25:39.068 [SPEAKER_01]: It takes some dedication. 25:39.128 --> 25:41.030 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not an instant gratification thing. 25:41.050 --> 25:48.058 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you want to hunt public land, yeah, is it is it tougher than some of the big private places or or expensive hunt? 25:49.877 --> 26:05.268 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is

a little tougher in most cases, but doing some scouting, doing your research, you don't need setting up right, learning the win, no one that you can't get away with as much, you know what I mean that you might be able to get away with on a guided hunt. 26:06.009 --> 26:09.511 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, I think it's important that people realize how many opportunities are still there. 26:09.571 --> 26:12.833 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there are still a lot of opportunities for those people that are willing to work on it. 26:13.714 --> 26:15.675 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, I'm an outfit or I'm not bashing 26:19.278 --> 26:36.289 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm just trying to think, I try and I guess one of the little ways that I try and show people how many opportunities are out there is like, I'm going on Kodiak this year, Alaska, this year to, you know, sick or sick of lactale again, hopefully non-guided got a chance to sign public land, non-guided. 26:36.369 --> 26:36.850 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 26:36.890 --> 26:39.772 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I try and do multiple public land hunts every year. 26:40.893 --> 26:44.575 [SPEAKER_01]: Not just for me and to keep me sharp and, you know, to be scouting and no one 26:47.657 --> 26:48.578 [SPEAKER_01]: great opportunities. 26:48.598 --> 26:49.398 [SPEAKER_01]: Just don't be lazy. 26:49.718 --> 26:54.781 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think society is a whole, you know, to mean as, you know, a lot of people are lazy. 26:54.841 --> 27:06.568 [SPEAKER_01]: Hundreds, I think, were very fortunate in the fact that, um, and of course, I'm biased, but I think hundreds have, you know, a good work ethic and, you know, feel a little more grounded to, to mother earth. 27:07.168 --> 27:12.331 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I think not being lazy can help people get out there and have success. 27:12.671 --> 27:13.692 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely. 27:15.245 --> 27:18.026 [SPEAKER_00]: from a resident standpoint, okay? 27:18.046 --> 27:24.170 [SPEAKER_00]: We've had this technology shift and you get, you get to see where all the public land is at. 27:24.550 --> 27:25.970 [SPEAKER_00]: You know where the walk-in is at. 27:26.851 --> 27:35.715 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all there for everybody to see and maybe the honey holes have disappeared over the course of some of the years. 27:36.396 --> 27:40.978 [SPEAKER_00]: How have you seen the public land change 27:43.575 --> 28:07.750 [SPEAKER_00]: People may not know where all the public land is, how animals behave on public land versus today, where it seems, the way some people talk, it seems like the flood of people coming out west now because of the stories, because of the ease of how easy it is to get tags, not from a number of years standpoint, but point and click and now I have my preference points. 28:08.231 --> 28:10.392 [SPEAKER_00]: How have you seen that change? 28:12.110 --> 28:14.131 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, I was killing elk on public land. 28:15.772 --> 28:16.272 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see. 28:19.574 --> 28:23.856 [SPEAKER_01]: Over almost 40 years ago, 30 plus years ago. 28:24.397 --> 28:27.878 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm still killing elk on public land and guiding people on public land. 28:27.918 --> 28:33.862 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, a lot of people wanting to cry, but there's still some great opportunities. 28:33.982 --> 28:35.062 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't give you wrong. 28:35.102 --> 28:38.044 [SPEAKER_01]: Are there a lot of people or a lot of public land areas crowded? 28:38.864 --> 29:04.550 [SPEAKER_01]: 100% but does what I just mentioned a little while ago still hold true there are hard core hunters and there's lazy hunters and you know it's a 5% of the hunters take 95% of the game and you know I I believe that and then call rato you know it's a prime example um you know if you figured out your odds to harvest a you know an elk on on public land it's probably one to 3% 29:05.910 --> 29:18.704 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, they advertise it's 15 to 18%, but what they don't advertise is that that includes guided hunts, that includes private land hunts, that includes limited draw hunts. 29:18.904 --> 29:25.811 [SPEAKER_01]: So when a state like Colorado, or you know, you can pick the western state that you want, advertises, oh, we have a 15% success, success rate. 29:27.493 --> 29:35.755 [SPEAKER_01]: that's not really very accurate because in Colorado at least that only and I'm going to repeat it because a lot of people don't understand this. 29:35.775 --> 29:41.777 [SPEAKER_01]: They come out to public land hunting and they don't get one and they think they're the worst hunter in the world and that's not necessarily the case. 29:41.837 --> 29:43.857 [SPEAKER_01]: The case is it is difficult to hunt public land. 29:43.877 --> 29:44.777 [SPEAKER_01]: You do have to work hard. 29:44.797 --> 29:53.940 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have to scout and you usually have to hike farther and you have to know a little bit about what you're doing just because you have a you know one of the brand new mapping you know deals doesn't that it doesn't 29:55.740 --> 30:15.949 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, when a state like Colorado says we have a 15% success rate on, let's say elk, that includes private land, guided hunts, limited draw hunts where people may put in 25 30 years to draw a place where only two elk tags can give an out and everybody gets one every single year. 30:16.510 --> 30:23.093 [SPEAKER_01]: That also, on almost all the stats includes bulls and cows, including spikes and smaller bulls. 30:24.193 --> 30:25.874 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that a lot of hunters I talk to go. 30:25.974 --> 30:28.255 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, 15% success rate in their head. 30:28.275 --> 30:29.636 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, oh, that's 15%. 30:29.936 --> 30:32.017 [SPEAKER_01]: That's 15% success rate on big bulls. 30:32.317 --> 30:32.477 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 30:32.638 --> 30:32.778 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 30:33.078 --> 30:33.218 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 30:33.318 -->

30:36.600 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, again, public land is absolutely awesome. 30:36.720 --> 30:39.461 [SPEAKER_01]: And I go to public land a lot because I like beating the odds. 30:39.621 --> 30:40.062 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 30:40.102 --> 30:42.063 [SPEAKER_01]: I like taking one where, you know, to be nice. 30:42.403 --> 30:47.065 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think what the odds were in Idaho or, you know, to be not, you know, where I took a bear this year. 30:47.105 --> 30:48.546 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, it's, you know, there's, 30:52.811 --> 30:54.332 [SPEAKER_01]: technology that can help a lot. 30:55.113 --> 30:56.734 [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard people say, oh, public lands horrible. 30:56.754 --> 30:57.775 [SPEAKER_01]: All the great spots are gone. 30:58.235 --> 30:58.795 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not true. 30:58.895 --> 31:03.258 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then you can still go out and harvest some great animals on public land. 31:03.899 --> 31:07.241 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've done a last cup, you know, public land for moves. 31:07.281 --> 31:12.305 [SPEAKER_01]: I've done a last cup, public land non-guided for moves, care, boo, sick a black tail. 31:12.845 --> 31:14.686 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you may have to hike further. 31:14.706 --> 31:15.867 [SPEAKER_01]: You may have to do some research. 31:15.887 --> 31:19.090 [SPEAKER_01]: You may have to call up a couple buddies and say, do you know somebody that's been here? 31:19.730 --> 31:23.511 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, it's not all doomsday at all, you know, in the being, it don't get me wrong. 31:24.411 --> 31:25.192 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you. 31:25.372 --> 31:27.332 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is harder in a lot of areas. 31:27.352 --> 31:28.753 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of states are more difficult. 31:28.813 --> 31:30.273 [SPEAKER_01]: The drawings are more difficult. 31:31.953 --> 31:40.876 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you, if you play the drawing game and try and figure it out when you do get a tag, if you want to go that extra effort, it usually still have some pretty good success. 31:41.276 --> 31:42.096 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 31:43.096 --> 31:45.737 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your favorite species in Justin Colorado? 31:46.617 --> 31:48.478 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your favorite species to hunt in Colorado? 31:49.896 --> 31:51.077 [SPEAKER_00]: whatever I'm hunting at the time. 31:51.777 --> 31:54.059 [SPEAKER_00]: So you are, you are all man. 31:54.159 --> 31:57.862 [SPEAKER_00]: Equal opportunity hunter, anything with a tag is getting it. 31:58.599 --> 32:11.067 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it sounds weird, and I'm not trying to give you a weak answer, but if I'm 100 rabbits, man, I'm 100 percent, you know, I'm in the stoichiw rabbits, you know, to be like that in the last year, you know, we were just stoichiw's jack rabbits and cotton tails. 32:11.087 --> 32:15.570 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I was like rabbits, my favorite thing to hunt, because this is I'm putting everything into rabbits. 32:15.610 --> 32:18.252 [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm hunting deer, man, it's I'm 100 percent into deer. 32:18.272 --> 32:26.717 [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm hunting elk, or big horn sheep, or chyrus moose, or, you know, whatever else I'm after and call rattle at that time, that's my favorite at that time. 32:26.997 --> 32:39.089 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I know it's kind of weird, you know, they all have their pluses minuses and you know, the things that I like most about them, but if I was to say, you know, my most honest answer would be whatever I'm hunting at the time, man, that's my favorite right then. 32:39.290 --> 32:39.710 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair. 32:39.950 --> 32:40.371 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair. 32:42.353 --> 32:44.755 [SPEAKER_00]: You got a lot of heads on your wall behind you. 32:44.815 --> 32:47.818 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's just a small portion I'm assuming. 32:49.540 --> 32:57.394 [SPEAKER_00]: What species has given you the most problems throughout the course of your hunting hunting career? 32:59.647 --> 32:59.907 [SPEAKER_00]: sheet. 33:01.929 --> 33:18.325 [SPEAKER_01]: I love cheap writing, but it's very, especially the way I choose to honor them, which is, you know, with the, you know, with the traditional bow, and I usually think I have an advantage with the traditional bow honestly, because I think in the ranges that we bow on, they give you a huge, they give you a huge cross. 33:19.967 --> 33:33.960 [SPEAKER_01]: You know close range I could shoot fast there's a lot of advantages to a traditional bow and my opinion sheep are just tough animals because it's usually relatively open country it's tough terrain. 33:35.701 --> 33:42.466 [SPEAKER_01]: Drawing tags could be an issue and then just getting close enough, you know, to make a good job with traditional bow. 33:42.506 --> 33:49.692 [SPEAKER_01]: So I absolutely love sheep hunting, but it's also probably one of the ones, you know, doll sheep are really difficult for me. 33:49.812 --> 34:00.361 [SPEAKER_01]: But I've hunted a lot of times where I was competing with rifle guys on the mountain, you know, to me and like, you know, you're out there getting after it, but, you know, they're getting chased by wolves, grizzly bearers, hunters. 34:01.482 --> 34:01.982 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, 34:03.483 --> 34:11.286 [SPEAKER_01]: using a traditional boat for sheep when you say which one gave me the most trouble and I assume you might most trouble you mean the most difficult. 34:11.306 --> 34:11.746 [SPEAKER_01]: Difficult. 34:11.767 --> 34:13.747 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I'd say they're right there. 34:13.907 --> 34:14.508 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 34:14.788 --> 34:16.729 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say they're they're they're they're way up there. 34:17.069 --> 34:29.334 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, is there a species that you've hunted that you thought like I'm in for it like I'm it's gonna be brutal and then it ended up being not as bad as you thought it was gonna be. 34:30.302 -->

34:30.922 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good question. 34:30.942 --> 34:38.404 [SPEAKER_01]: So Dolce was worse because actually I went two times and didn't get one and the third time I went after Dolce Sheep I was like, I'm just never gonna do this. 34:38.444 --> 34:53.989 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how these guys ever young Dolce people with a bow So that was a really tough one, but yeah on on ones that I thought I'm trying to think of ones that I thought were gonna be really tough and ended up being easier I'm just I'm looking around real quick 34:58.348 --> 35:00.320 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess before I'd hunted Mule deer. 35:01.078 --> 35:10.922 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought Mildir were going to be really tough, you know, as a kid from Florida reading about Mildir, I was like, man, 12th of a meal there, freaking, you know, that's what, what a cool animal, that's going to be really tough. 35:10.962 --> 35:16.444 [SPEAKER_01]: But I was used to hunting, you have to understand, we didn't have money for leases and we didn't have any private land growing up. 35:16.484 --> 35:19.005 [SPEAKER_01]: So all my deer I shot were on public lands. 35:19.025 --> 35:28.629 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was used to white tails and thick brush, you know, we're going to be super sneaky, but you know, even big Mildir on public land, you know, or private land was probably the 35:30.630 --> 35:33.211 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, this thing's just going to be grueling or super tough. 35:33.971 --> 35:35.452 [SPEAKER_01]: And man, they weren't that bad. 35:35.512 --> 35:43.595 [SPEAKER_01]: Once you get them dialed in, especially in high desert areas in the West, they're vulnerable to water holes, you know, to being in things like that. 35:43.675 --> 35:46.637 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're early season hanging out in the same spots. 35:46.817 --> 35:48.357 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I guess that's a good question. 35:48.377 --> 35:56.981 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I've ever been asked that damn, but yeah, I would say probably Mildir were one of the ones, especially when I was young, you know, that I thought, boy, this is going to be just a 35:57.781 --> 36:07.169 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be the toughest thing ever, and when I went out, you know, and my first one was shot on public land, like a lot of my animals, I was just like, wow, that was way better than I thought. 36:07.469 --> 36:07.670 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 36:08.010 --> 36:08.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 36:09.111 --> 36:12.694 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, when I was a kid on Sunday nights, 36:14.255 --> 36:38.545 [SPEAKER_00]: My dad would make popcorn and me and my brother and my dad would sit and watch national geographics and it was all over, you know, different animals and different environments and just Africa, India and there's one animal that since I learned about it as a young kid, a carabou and for some reason I said to myself, 36:39.457 --> 36:40.818 [SPEAKER_00]: That is one of my favorite animals. 36:40.878 --> 36:42.819 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why, but I wanna shoot one. 36:43.820 --> 36:48.783 [SPEAKER_00]: And to this day, I have not had the opportunity yet to go on a Caribou hunt. 36:49.144 --> 36:50.224 [SPEAKER_00]: It's on my bucket list. 36:50.264 --> 36:52.986 [SPEAKER_00]: I have my bucket list on permanent marker right here on my desk. 36:53.467 --> 36:54.487 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's awesome, yep. 36:55.108 --> 36:58.950 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I want you, and this is completely selfish. 36:59.191 --> 37:01.012 [SPEAKER_00]: I want you to share a Caribou story with me. 37:04.150 --> 37:06.292 [SPEAKER_00]: or however many stories you want to share. 37:06.793 --> 37:07.654 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of carabou. 37:07.774 --> 37:09.455 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're gigantic by the way. 37:09.936 --> 37:10.336 [SPEAKER_01]: I love. 37:10.456 --> 37:10.877 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, buddy. 37:11.017 --> 37:14.820 [SPEAKER_01]: Carabou, like you said, but you know, it's really as simple as just getting on that. 37:15.561 --> 37:20.105 [SPEAKER_01]: You can drive up to Alaska and hunt the hall road and get an over the counter tag. 37:20.126 --> 37:22.127 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need a guide and you can go hunt them this year. 37:22.468 --> 37:22.628 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 37:22.728 --> 37:23.208 [SPEAKER_01]: So go. 37:23.389 --> 37:24.950 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say go make that dream happen. 37:25.771 --> 37:27.413 [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess that's one of the things that 37:28.133 --> 37:28.533 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know. 37:28.553 --> 37:42.841 [SPEAKER_01]: You could call amateur irresponsible, but you know, I never really, you know, I never really saved a ton of money because I always spend it on hunting, you know, to being gasp on here or whatever, but I don't think anybody's ever been on their deathbed saying, well, I wish I had, I wish I had to work a little more. 37:42.961 --> 37:43.421 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right. 37:43.441 --> 37:49.585 [SPEAKER_01]: It's usually, it's usually, I wish I'd hunted some more, spend more time with my family or done this or done that that I always wanted to. 37:50.405 --> 38:01.374 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you want to care a boost story, um, my first care boo, um, and, you know, you mentioned the things that you're on on your bucket list, um, it was on my bucket list, but I couldn't afford a guided hunt. 38:01.594 --> 38:03.216 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, to me, just be perfectly honest. 38:03.276 --> 38:04.277 [SPEAKER_01]: I just couldn't do it. 38:04.297 --> 38:08.940 [SPEAKER_01]: I was actually, I was renting a small place with a buddy of mine and, you know, we were saving all our money. 38:08.960 --> 38:14.045 [SPEAKER_01]: We were eating ramen and sardines and whatever we could get cheap and while gaming, saving all our money for hunts. 38:14.605 --> 38:20.106 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was self-guided, and it was in Alaska for Carabou. 38:20.646 --> 38:25.307 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was with my recurve, and man, they weren't. 38:26.687 --> 38:29.007 [SPEAKER_01]: I

thought they were going to be in these giant herds. 38:29.027 --> 38:33.828 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were spread out all over the place that I was like, oh, this is going to be a little tougher than I thought. 38:33.868 --> 38:41.070 [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of like giant groups were, you know, National Geographic or something the other videos I had seen, I thought, oh, this is going to be easy. 38:43.650 --> 38:50.214 [SPEAKER_01]: man, I got to get the grass and stalk and creep up and it's not just sitting on a trail and having thousands funnel by. 38:50.574 --> 38:58.739 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is just like a, you know, a deer hunt or, you know, an elk hunt or something you slip up on like a bear hunt trying to spot and stalk it. 38:59.280 --> 39:00.801 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I slipped up. 39:01.021 --> 39:02.422 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a tiny care boo. 39:03.762 --> 39:04.823 [SPEAKER_01]: That's him right there. 39:05.924 --> 39:07.024 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the smallest one there. 39:08.568 --> 39:09.928 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, you'd see that little guy. 39:09.968 --> 39:11.829 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, actually, I don't know. 39:11.929 --> 39:23.172 [SPEAKER_01]: Both people would never mounting, but for, you know, for me, it was a big animal in the world and I was super excited and, you know, got it with my recurve and that just made it super cool. 39:23.212 --> 39:26.593 [SPEAKER_01]: It's still a super special, you know, special animal to me. 39:26.694 --> 39:27.774 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but I hope you'll do it. 39:27.834 --> 39:28.594 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's pretty simple. 39:28.614 --> 39:34.536 [SPEAKER_01]: You can just hop in the truck, drive up there, gas, money, grab a tag, and go hunting by yourself, self-guided. 39:34.936 --> 39:41.174 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, was that a sleep out of your truck hunt or did you did a spike camp? 39:42.051 --> 39:44.192 [SPEAKER_01]: So no, I actually camped out. 39:44.772 --> 39:47.694 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a buddy of mine to fly me out. 39:47.774 --> 39:51.916 [SPEAKER_01]: Just we went out and camped out and then just looked for care booth. 39:52.016 --> 39:54.757 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was pretty dang awesome. 39:55.017 --> 39:57.658 [SPEAKER_01]: But that whole road hunt is awesome. 39:57.698 --> 39:59.879 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been out there and that's a fun hunt. 39:59.899 --> 40:00.920 [SPEAKER_01]: And anybody can do that. 40:01.120 --> 40:02.180 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people don't realize it. 40:02.200 --> 40:04.581 [SPEAKER_01]: They can literally go up there and be hunting. 40:04.621 --> 40:07.863 [SPEAKER_01]: One of my guides that works for the Sierra Full Drive but there's one up. 40:09.265 --> 40:19.354 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I can't remember it was last year in the year before, but yeah, just, you know, drove his truck up there, waited till he spotted Caribou from the road and then went out, snuck up and shot one. 40:19.535 --> 40:20.335 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, awesome. 40:20.355 --> 40:27.121

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't, don't, don't wait, don't, you know, go do it now where you're young enough and you can afford some gas money to get up there and go do it. 40:27.402 --> 40:27.602 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 40:29.801 --> 40:40.607 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever been afraid, whether it's been weather conditions, whether it's been new environments, whether it's been like rock slides or something crazy? 40:41.107 --> 40:44.208 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever gotten the fear on a hunt? 40:45.569 --> 40:46.009 [SPEAKER_01]: All the time. 40:46.330 --> 40:50.011 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all the time, all kinds of random things. 40:52.282 --> 41:03.031 [SPEAKER_01]: Rockslides, animals charging me, blizzards on a polar bear hunt, where you couldn't see two feet in front of your face, and I thought we'd never find the white igloo we were looking for. 41:03.051 --> 41:13.060 [SPEAKER_01]: Andrews, yeah, I bet all kinds of an alligator grab my knee one time, and thought, you know, I was going to lose my leg to infection. 41:14.681 --> 41:18.242 [SPEAKER_01]: charged by brown bear where I thought, well, this is it. 41:18.442 --> 41:19.322 [SPEAKER_01]: It was super quick. 41:19.602 --> 41:22.803 [SPEAKER_01]: Guy shot right in front of it and turned the charge at about eight feet. 41:23.443 --> 41:34.806 [SPEAKER_01]: Guy charged by a leopard and Africa where I shot it with my bow and if it wasn't for Nico shooting it with a shotgun and about, oh, I don't know, eight feet from me. 41:35.567 --> 41:37.427 [SPEAKER_01]: That would have freaking been a bad one. 41:38.407 --> 41:40.248 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been involved in playing crashes. 41:41.188 --> 41:43.508 [SPEAKER_01]: boats flipping horse racks. 41:44.109 --> 41:44.949 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I did. 41:44.969 --> 41:53.770 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been I've been afraid a lot, but yeah, so I mean, you know, I wish I'd tell you, oh, yeah, none of those ever, none of those ever faced me, you know, but that would, that'd be a lot of them did. 41:53.790 --> 41:55.811 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of, a lot of them scared me, a lot of made me nervous. 41:55.871 --> 42:04.012 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, there's been, whether it's weather conditions or boats flipping, yeah, I've been a lot of stuff. 42:04.292 --> 42:08.693 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'm very intrigued about the alligator biting your knee. 42:09.573 --> 42:12.915 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so I want I want you to tell that story to us. 42:13.655 --> 42:19.838 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was a silly one really, you know, out of all about some of the crazy ones, the brown bear charges, grislies, and leopards, and stuff. 42:20.258 --> 42:21.879 [SPEAKER_01]: The alligator one was with a buddy of mine. 42:21.899 --> 42:24.100 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a damaged control trapper down at Florida. 42:24.720 --> 42:25.501 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, great friend. 42:25.521 --> 42:27.122 [SPEAKER_01]: He's actually come out and guided with me too. 42:27.702 --> 42:31.103 [SPEAKER_01]: But we were out there with some buddies and we were shooting 42:35.331 --> 42:44.595 [SPEAKER_01]: We came in at like three four in the morning just exhausted, you know, to be after a night of fun and like two hours later at six in the morning. 42:44.795 --> 42:46.016 [SPEAKER_01]: We're all sleeping on his floor. 42:46.836 --> 42:52.379 [SPEAKER_01]: I hear his phone ran and I hear him answer it and the conversation is like, yes, ma'am. 42:53.219 --> 42:53.860 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, ma'am. 42:55.060 --> 42:56.341 [SPEAKER_01]: I y'all, I'll be there. 42:57.101 --> 42:58.142 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me about 30 minutes. 42:58.522 --> 43:00.103 [SPEAKER_01]: And he hangs up and he's like, hey, guys, uh, 43:00.943 --> 43:17.801 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just got a trouble call, you know, I had some stuff, some alligator hooks and sets out and apparently I got an alligator on a line and this, you know, neighborhood, seeing anybody want to come help me and everybody was just exhausted to be honest like how I'll go help you. 43:18.321 --> 43:19.563 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, we roll out there. 43:20.003 --> 43:20.263 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, 43:21.744 --> 43:31.930 [SPEAKER_01]: The real story is a lot of times where he's at he can just shoot the gators or you know, hit him with an axe behind the head, but we were actually in Gainesville City limits in Florida. 43:32.290 --> 43:34.272 [SPEAKER_01]: So he can't kill the alligator. 43:34.692 --> 43:35.652 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, alright, man. 43:36.293 --> 43:37.854 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to help me grab the salagator. 43:37.874 --> 43:38.334 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what? 43:38.354 --> 43:45.238 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, you're going to have to help me grab it because, you know, we got to take it back whole and you know, probably take him to an alligator farm or something, but you got to help me grab it. 43:45.918 --> 43:53.460 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's all these people out there with video cameras and, you know, they're watching, you know, some ladies are, you know, around in this neighborhood. 43:53.480 --> 44:01.522 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we grab this alligator, jump on it and we tape his mouth, tape his feet, and get him to the shore, and then one of the ladies goes, there's another one. 44:02.042 --> 44:06.763 [SPEAKER_01]: And this other alligator pops up in this little pond, I guess you'd say, surrounded by houses. 44:07.683 --> 44:26.773 [SPEAKER_01]: and he's like running grab my you know grab my rod so I run back grab him is rod out of his truck with a big trouble hook and he throws that out there past Gator hooks it up and he's bringing him up to shore he goes oh you're gonna have to jump on him I'm like why he goes yeah we're gonna both jump on him and we're gonna have to I'm like oh my gosh so I don't know what I'm doing but we manage to jump on him and we tie his mouth and we tie his legs up 44:27.708 --> 44:30.390 [SPEAKER_01]: So now we have two alive, totally alive alligators. 44:31.270 --> 44:35.053

[SPEAKER_01]: And so he says, man, we said, I'm just going to back my truck up so we can load these alligators up. 44:35.633 --> 44:38.595 [SPEAKER_01]: And she said, oh, wait, no way, none of my manicured lawn. 44:38.636 --> 44:40.657 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, on this good Jillian dollar house. 44:40.717 --> 44:42.118 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, no way. 44:42.578 --> 44:46.381 [SPEAKER_01]: My buddy's like, oh my gosh, you know, we're going to have to carry these alligators up. 44:46.461 --> 44:54.907 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we grab them by the tail and the leg and we're dragging these alligators and not really thinking that the alligators dragging on its mouth. 44:55.547 --> 45:11.192 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the tape that we have put out is getting drunk, you know, they like we're wearing the tape off or losing in the tape, but to make a very long story medium We get it back to his place where they all these alligator's out. 45:11.252 --> 45:17.074 [SPEAKER_01]: We have these dead alligator's these live alligator's and I'm walking right next to one of the dead alligator. 45:17.094 --> 45:18.715 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's like a dead alligator here 45:19.415 --> 45:21.556 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like a live alligator over here. 45:22.056 --> 45:27.778 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a full alligator with away from the live alligator, like walking over here. 45:28.718 --> 45:32.539 [SPEAKER_01]: And the only one that knows that tape isn't on the alligator's mouth anymore is the alligator. 45:33.199 --> 45:38.541 [SPEAKER_01]: And he jumps across the dead alligator and grabbed me by the mean and started thrashing me around. 45:39.341 --> 45:44.808 [SPEAKER_01]: And it got it got a little crazy, but it was rushed to the hospital emergency surgery. 45:45.368 --> 45:47.651 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wish I had a picture of it to show you. 45:47.811 --> 45:51.095 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll said you want it if you want it, but it was horrific. 45:51.115 --> 45:51.956 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was pretty bad. 45:52.016 --> 45:54.960 [SPEAKER_01]: So it jacked me up pretty bad and took a little while to recover from. 45:55.000 --> 45:56.402 [SPEAKER_01]: But I've had all kinds of crazy. 45:57.176 --> 45:59.640 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and there was an infection involved with that one. 45:59.720 --> 46:11.577 [SPEAKER_01]: You said, well, Alligators, apparently, according to the doctor, you'd rather get bit by a raccoon, a Bob Cat, a bear, a mountain lion, a grizzly, a black, you'd rather be bitten by any animal. 46:12.298 --> 46:21.483 [SPEAKER_01]: other than an alligator because alligators eat rotten meat, they live in stagnant water, and their mouths are like the most septic. 46:22.063 --> 46:24.664 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the right word like environment ever. 46:24.744 --> 46:30.167 [SPEAKER_01]: So tons of people and it does happen a lot like where people get bitten or finger and they'll lose their arm. 46:31.108 --> 46:33.209 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the infection so literally they were like, 46:33.709 --> 46:43.672 [SPEAKER_01]: what we're worried about since the alligator's teeth have gone into your knee and you know you've got mass bleeding and all this stuff and tendons and all kinds of stuff ripped up is infection. 46:43.912 --> 47:03.057 [SPEAKER_01]: So like we're going to dose you with the heaviest antibiotics quick and we're still going to be watching for infection for you know I was like oh my gosh so yeah that's the part that's that's really bad about an alligator bite I mean no animal bites great right but apparently according to them an alligator bite is one of the most septic it's one of the worst ones to have so 47:03.417 --> 47:05.459 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're interested, I'll send you some gross pictures. 47:05.499 --> 47:06.000 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll make it. 47:06.240 --> 47:07.321 [SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah, I love it. 47:07.381 --> 47:08.703 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll make you laugh a little bit. 47:08.763 --> 47:10.144 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I got this. 47:10.445 --> 47:10.665 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 47:10.865 --> 47:11.346 [SPEAKER_00]: I got that. 47:11.426 --> 47:13.808 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's called the nine figure Chronicles, right? 47:13.828 --> 47:15.150 [SPEAKER_00]: Was that roping or what? 47:15.230 --> 47:17.753 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, that that was me getting sucked into it. 47:18.153 --> 47:20.596 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, getting sucked into a exhaust fan. 47:21.016 --> 47:22.558 [SPEAKER_00]: A giant exhaust fan in a factory. 47:22.618 --> 47:23.278 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah. 47:23.759 --> 47:24.600 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man. 47:24.760 --> 47:27.081 [SPEAKER_00]: But I lie because that's a boring story. 47:27.282 --> 47:28.482 [SPEAKER_00]: So I usually something cool. 47:28.662 --> 47:29.803 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, snapping turtle. 47:29.883 --> 47:32.245 [SPEAKER_00]: Hand fishing for catfish and a snapping turtle bites it. 47:32.285 --> 47:33.485 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I usually tell you. 47:33.685 --> 47:34.346 [SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome. 47:34.646 --> 47:35.246 [SPEAKER_01]: Go with that. 47:35.847 --> 47:36.347 [SPEAKER_01]: Go with that. 47:36.407 --> 47:38.488 [SPEAKER_01]: Fred Barry used to say all the time that it's hunters. 47:38.528 --> 47:39.989 [SPEAKER_01]: We need to come up with better stories. 47:40.049 --> 47:41.210 [SPEAKER_01]: Fishermen lie all the time. 47:41.230 --> 47:41.910 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's hunters. 47:41.950 --> 47:42.651 [SPEAKER_01]: We need to really. 47:43.251 --> 47:44.392 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was watching an old video. 47:44.412 --> 47:45.152 [SPEAKER_00]: It has cracked me up. 47:47.073 --> 47:47.673 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 47:48.193 --> 47:55.076 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, you've hunted predators, grizzly bears, polar bears, some animals that if they got a hold of you, you're toast. 47:55.416 --> 47:55.756 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 47:57.437 --> 48:05.861 [SPEAKER_00]: When you, what's the mindset like when you're going into, are you more cautious on a 48:11.984 --> 48:13.800 [SPEAKER_01]: You

know that's funny, that's a great question then. 48:15.517 --> 48:30.450 [SPEAKER_01]: So I've been nervous on both occasionally, but it's funny, because when you're hunting Caribou or Moose even a lot of times, it's in the back of your mind, there's grizzlies, or even when you see grizzly tracks, but for some reason for me, at least, when I'm hunting at different species, I'm not thinking about them as much. 48:31.050 --> 48:39.657 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm more nervous about them when I'm hunting brown bears or hunting grizzlies or hunting African lion or leopard or something like that, especially with the close range weapon. 48:39.677 --> 48:40.898 [SPEAKER_01]: I think about that stuff a lot. 48:44.993 --> 49:11.805 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll bore you with another quick story, but my attitude was always like I'm nervous about it and I think about it, but it's kind of like between me and the animal, you know, I've always felt like, you know, eh, you know, the animal gets me, you know, it gets me, I'm trying to get it and, you know, that's just, and I know it's like this little game I play with myself to just kind of get it out of my head to where I'm not so nervous, you know, and I'm thinking about it all the time, but I was with a cameraman and one time he cracked 49:13.942 --> 49:23.269 [SPEAKER_01]: going down this beach and we were following some brown bear tracks going after a brown bear and our guide was following following quite a ways behind us. 49:23.289 --> 49:31.636 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he could still see us, but, you know, he had to keep hollering at us and we would stop and he would catch up and we would start going and he would say, hey, you can't keep getting that far ahead of me. 49:31.696 --> 49:34.238 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was kind of driving us crazy to be honest for driving me crazy. 49:34.618 --> 49:40.383 [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently it wasn't driving my cameraman crazy because the guide had the gun and all I had was by recurve and all I had was the camera. 49:41.043 --> 49:46.944 [SPEAKER_01]: But on one of the times that we were stopped waiting for the guy to catch up, I said, man, this just drives me crazy. 49:47.004 --> 49:54.066 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I said, I wish I didn't even have to have a guide on this hunt, you know, but not as non-resistant up the last guy have to have a guide for Grizzly and Brownbear. 49:54.866 --> 49:59.687 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, you know, I wish I could just, you know, go after this bear myself. 50:00.308 --> 50:04.208 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I don't really want to guy with a gun here, you know, if the bear gets me, it gets me. 50:04.609 --> 50:05.889 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just between me and the bear. 50:11.910 --> 50:17.113 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all cool and all, but I want the guy with a gun, you don't really like riding here with this, so that's pretty funny. 50:17.353 --> 50:27.137 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so there's a little start, but yeah, so I try not to think about it because I think that stuff can, and I've gotten in my head before, you know, you can get in your head, especially on Kodiak Alaska, so yeah. 50:27.297 --> 50:48.764 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess the only time I really, really worried about those, like, on Cody Act, there's been quite a few times when, you know, I've hunted Cody Act a lot, or I was after Sikoblactale, and it was like, boy, this bear just hassling me, or, you know, or all of a sudden there's like, you smell them, or, you know, there's a bear real close and the super thick brush, and you're like, oh, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be one of the statistics, and then I think, what are the odds of that, really? 50:48.905 --> 50:52.926 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, even though you're on Cody Act, the odds are pretty dang slammed. 50:56.247 --> 50:59.888 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, that's a lot better than like Fred choked to death on a crispy cream donut. 50:59.988 --> 51:07.429 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I guess I guess at least for, I guess at least for my family to be a cool story. 51:07.489 --> 51:11.130 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, he was trying to see how many crispy cream donuts he could eat. 51:11.190 --> 51:12.670 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's funny. 51:14.570 --> 51:19.711 [SPEAKER_00]: Last, one of the last questions I have for you, um, I got a couple more laughs, but 51:27.547 --> 51:33.813 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, without hoping to hurt anybody's feelings. 51:34.434 --> 51:36.816 [SPEAKER_01]: Rifle hunting's just too easy in a lot of ways. 51:36.876 --> 51:39.038 [SPEAKER_01]: And I still go, I mean, don't get me wrong. 51:39.078 --> 51:39.578 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great. 51:39.719 --> 51:44.863 [SPEAKER_01]: And if I freeze or zimpty, I'm like, I need some meat, you know what I mean? 51:44.964 --> 51:45.904 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I'll grab a rifle. 51:46.345 --> 51:51.510 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you shoot a lot, if you hunt a lot, 51:52.682 --> 51:55.424 [SPEAKER_01]: taking a rifle and shooting an ammo three hundred four hundred yards. 51:55.564 --> 51:56.165 [SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome. 51:56.545 --> 51:57.206 [SPEAKER_01]: And don't give me wrong. 51:57.226 --> 51:58.207 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's a challenge. 51:58.847 --> 52:04.092 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's way cooler to me to get 20 yards or 10 yards. 52:04.272 --> 52:06.514 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, to be like, I like to be as close as I can. 52:06.534 --> 52:08.595 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a beautiful thing about bow hunting. 52:09.676 --> 52:10.097 [SPEAKER_01]: I think 52:11.976 --> 52:13.297 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that challenge. 52:13.537 --> 52:15.579 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that more timeout doors. 52:16.479 --> 52:19.561 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the watching the animal and seeing all the amazing interactions. 52:19.742 --> 52:28.688 [SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's you with that animal, whether that's that animal with other animals, same species or different species, or interactions between that animal and predators. 52:28.848 --> 52:40.677 [SPEAKER_01]: Because what I realized early on is that with my rifle,

you know, when I was, you know, 14, 15, 100 with my dad is a little kid, you know, I'd be like, oh, there's a deer, boom. 52:41.457 --> 52:41.957 [SPEAKER_01]: Dears down. 52:42.578 --> 52:44.739 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't watch that deer feed. 52:45.019 --> 52:46.140 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't watch it breed. 52:46.240 --> 52:46.801 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't watch it. 52:46.841 --> 52:47.441 [SPEAKER_01]: Make this great. 52:47.501 --> 52:48.422 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't hear it, Grant. 52:48.622 --> 52:51.664 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see it, you know, fight another deer. 52:52.084 --> 52:53.645 [SPEAKER_01]: I missed out on all that. 52:53.966 --> 52:55.847 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I would see it once it was in range. 52:55.867 --> 52:57.308 [SPEAKER_01]: I would shoot it, boom, done. 52:58.208 --> 52:58.929 [SPEAKER_01]: With a bow, 53:00.657 --> 53:02.578 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to learn so much more. 53:02.618 --> 53:12.145 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think one bohon is probably worth 10 rifle hunts to be just to be because you're sneaking up and you're watching the animal longer and things like that. 53:12.745 --> 53:15.247 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I'm not best rifle hunter, rightful hunting. 53:15.267 --> 53:16.227 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I still do it. 53:16.247 --> 53:17.028 [SPEAKER_01]: My kids all do it. 53:17.048 --> 53:18.629 [SPEAKER_01]: I brought them up. 53:18.809 --> 53:24.693 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I'm like me, I started with a rifle, started them with a rifle, and then took them to a bow and said, you guys choose, do what you want. 53:29.972 --> 53:37.074 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a challenge, and I enjoyed that challenge, I enjoy getting close, and I enjoy watching the animals more. 53:37.534 --> 53:47.196 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess that would probably, if I was to summon a few things, it's, it's, if I wanted to just run in the woods and run out, yeah, I'd go with the rifle. 53:47.956 --> 53:51.397 [SPEAKER_01]: But if, there you go, have you ever written a book? 53:52.658 --> 53:53.938 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but wanting a Western big game. 53:54.218 --> 53:54.518 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 53:56.409 --> 54:07.638 [SPEAKER_00]: If you write another book and this is not about necessarily, obviously, it's a huge part of your life, but it's more about who you are as opposed to the game that you're chasing. 54:10.260 --> 54:16.024 [SPEAKER_00]: What would you hope that people take away from that book or from your life story? 54:18.246 --> 54:21.048 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though it's not close to over yet, right? 54:21.128 --> 54:22.549 [SPEAKER_00]: It's up up into this point. 54:26.500 --> 54:48.249 [SPEAKER_01]: Like to be that I was a good friend, a good father and cared about the wildlife that I was not only the wildlife that I was chasing but all the other animals too, you know that it's you know a lot of people we tend to focus on the animals that we're after, but like being a conservationists or, you know, even planning food plots or making them water holes, you know, like when I'm working on a water hole, you know, I like. 54:49.275 --> 54:52.038 [SPEAKER_01]: that a bunch of animals are going to benefit from that. 54:52.178 --> 54:56.942 [SPEAKER_01]: And even my farming practices, I try and keep rows for the fescent, you know, to being. 54:56.982 --> 55:00.306 [SPEAKER_01]: So they have, you know, does it cost a little bit? 55:00.406 --> 55:00.726 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 55:00.966 --> 55:09.134 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I think, you know, you've made, I've left more environment for fox and for fescent and for quail and things like that. 55:09.214 --> 55:10.576 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I guess sum it up. 55:10.616 --> 55:12.578 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess just that, you know, I was a good person. 55:13.098 --> 55:19.463 [SPEAKER_01]: That, you know, it was a good friend, you know, a good son, good father, you know, a good brother to my sister, things like that. 55:19.503 --> 55:20.904 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that it that it's summed up. 55:21.304 --> 55:21.484 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 55:21.805 --> 55:22.365 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. 55:23.506 --> 55:30.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, as we close down this podcast, after me and after you, there's 55:31.752 --> 55:40.101 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully for our kids and our grandkids and our grandkids, grandkids, they're still hunting in this country. 55:40.441 --> 55:47.068 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think needs to happen for the hunting tradition in America to continue? 55:48.482 --> 56:13.667 [SPEAKER_01]: We need to focus on the meat, not the alers at all, because it's not the hunters that are going to win this, it's the average, it's the people that are on the fence, it's the people that aren't hardcore advocates of hunting or hardcore anti hunters, the majority of Americans, the majority that aren't hunting and that aren't hardcore anti-hunting. 56:15.762 --> 56:18.444 [SPEAKER_01]: need to know and need to see that it's about the experience. 56:18.464 --> 56:20.225 [SPEAKER_01]: They need to learn more about the hunting culture. 56:20.645 --> 56:28.490 [SPEAKER_01]: But if they think that it is about just a hide or just a big rack, they're going to vote against it every time. 56:29.111 --> 56:35.975 [SPEAKER_01]: But if they realize that it's about family, camaraderie, managing a resource, which is way up there. 56:36.015 --> 56:37.256 [SPEAKER_01]: That's very important as well. 56:37.677 --> 56:39.298 [SPEAKER_01]: But also providing 56:40.018 --> 56:50.421 [SPEAKER_01]: clean organic meat, you know what I mean and that you're utilizing in that, you know, hunters respect animals more than anybody else I know. 56:50.961 --> 57:03.645 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the ultimate form of respect is not only eating, you know, that animals meet, but to put it on the wall or to wear a bear claw or 57:09.228 --> 57:11.168 [SPEAKER_01]: it's in our DNA. 57:11.409 --> 57:26.632 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, cavemen, they weren't, they weren't painting scenes other kids, you know, throwing rocks on cave walls and they were, they were painting hunting scenes because they respected the animals so much and, and, and it their lives revolved around it. 57:27.272 --> 57:35.134 [SPEAKER_01]: And so for those of us that's live still around, you know, revolve around whether it's, you know, livestock, 57:35.922 --> 57:36.602 [SPEAKER_01]: wildlife. 57:36.923 --> 57:37.423 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 57:37.463 --> 57:38.243 [SPEAKER_01]: Things like that. 57:38.744 --> 57:48.810 [SPEAKER_01]: We need to make sure we're educating people and showing them it's about the organic meat, you know, cattle men or cattle producers care about cows. 57:48.850 --> 57:52.852 [SPEAKER_01]: They're providing, you know, organic meat for people, but people are fighting that too. 57:53.333 --> 57:56.555 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's very important that we educate people and it's those people on the fence. 57:56.575 --> 58:00.697 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the the hundreds over here, the anhyeners over here, we're always going to be the same. 58:05.340 --> 58:13.583 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Mr. Eichler, man, I really appreciate you taking time out of your day to hop on and be us with us here on Moss Week. 58:14.123 --> 58:16.944 [SPEAKER_00]: Be safe and good luck this upcoming season, man. 58:17.684 --> 58:18.904 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Dan, thank you so much. 58:18.944 --> 58:21.105 [SPEAKER_01]: I really, really appreciate some great questions. 58:21.305 --> 58:21.865 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe thank you.