Full Transcript for Nightcap Hour 1: Deshaun Watson FLAWLESS at Browns Camp + Browns QB Competition HEATING UP + Executives RANK Shedeur Sanders LAST

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Does DeShawn having a big day completely flipped the strip script? Excuse me the script? 00:04:21 Speaker 3: O Joe? Does it? 00:04:23 Speaker 2: Does this change anything in your mind? Do you believe it changed anything in Todd monk in mind? Seeing how well he did in seven on seven and eleven on eleven drills? 00:04:33 Speaker 4: No, I don't think so, uncle, And I'll say it before I know a lot of people. We love Shador. We want Shador to start. Obviously, he finished the season off extremely strong. Based on the way he played, having commanded the offense, and I'm sure he would pick up exactly where he left it up last year. But again, it comes down to business, Uncle Joe. It comes down the business and the amount of money that they're paying to Shawn watching. He's going to start regardless, the job is his to lose. Now, as a lot of people, they're emotional about it. When I talk about this and I say, DeShawn start, no, I love your door. 00:05:02 Speaker 3: I do. 00:05:02 Speaker 4: I wholeheartedly believe if DeShawn doesn't play well by maybe week four, maybe week five, before it's too late, you know them without them being outside the playoff pitcher. You know changes will be made. But the job is Deshaun Washington lose. 00:05:16 Speaker 2: You know. The thing years on your and I can't say that I disagree. The only thing is about that. And you know how this seels when you start the season. Let's just say for the sake of argument, they start the season h five or they start one and four. Yes, in order to get back to five hundred, oh show you gotta go four and all. 00:05:32 Speaker 3: You gotta go five and oh just to get by. 00:05:34 Speaker 4: You're right right by that, Yeah, you're right. 00:05:37 Speaker 2: So Now basically, at that point in time, half your season is gone. You lose two games, you lose two of those three, or you lose three excuse me, two of those five games, So you lose three of those five games. Now you are three and eight. What the hell you about to do with three and eight? The mere fact tells me, yeah, with eleven games to go, the likelihood and you running off seven six straight eight very good. 00:06:01 Speaker 4: I ain't having it, no, no, but but if you if you look at it right, I don't. I don't statistically and from a percentage percentage standpoint, I don't know exactly what we Most quarterbacks have bench when they're not playing well. But I'm just gonna say a. 00:06:14 Speaker 2: Lot of times has to before you go, Joe. A lot of time it has to do with the bide. When does your bye week? Because guess what I've been in the week to prepare all. Yes, I got a home game because I would have started him at home in forn of favorable crowd at the starting role in a hostile environment. Joe, Hey, listen, I think the shun you know today he was spending that thing. 00:06:35 Speaker 3: He had it going. 00:06:37 Speaker 1: But I still think Ojo Monk and time monkey, he really don't. He still don't know yet. 00:06:43 Speaker 3: Bro. 00:06:43 Speaker 1: You know, I know this was a good day for Deshaun, But at the same time, I still think he has a lot of faith and should do and uh, I think it's gonna be a battle, you know, throughout through our preseason, throughout the preseason games. 00:06:56 Speaker 3: I don't think we really gonna know. 00:06:57 Speaker 1: Who's gonna be the starting quarterback to probably right before week one, if you just want me to be one hundred now, I did say DeShawn took all the first team reps. 00:07:06 Speaker 3: You know, yes, every last one of them. Yeah. 00:07:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know, I don't know what that's about. But I'm with you. I'm with y'all. You know, uh uh, Deshaun makes so much money that ain't you know? It's it's gonna be kind of hard to start should do and have all that sitting on the bench and six million on the bench. Yeah, but then think about it at some point, do you is he ever gonna get a chance to play if you do it starts. I don't really think so, So I'm probably with you. I'm probably with y'all. 00:07:33 Speaker 3: Man. 00:07:34 Speaker 1: I think Watston is probably gonna start the season off as a starting quarterback. But it's still a lot of time left, man, you know, we'll see. 00:07:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, hey Joe. And obviously it's a lot of time too. And training camp isn't really a tall tail on how you're gonna play during the season. In training camp, you're familiar with each other. Everything is scripted. You got players on defense that be cheating. You got players on offense that know exactly in front of them. 00:08:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, they know what they're gonna run the route for Cordy. Yeah, they be cheating their ass. It's the same thing with basketball, man, when we in practice and you playing against the second team and they know all our damn players, we can't work on nothing because they cheating the players already exactly. And I be getting mad. I'll be getting pissed off. I said, But yeah, come game time, you don't know the play. The dude be tearing your hands up.

Anybody thanking you, deon Sam, And now when you get on the field, you getting plucked with a chicken. 00:08:34 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. 00:08:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know, you know what if I was Todd Monkin obviously the Cleveland Browns obviously trying to compete in the a F c AFC North try to get themselves back into the playoff environment and playoff birth in general. If I was to Shawn, I'm just saying, if I was in his position as a quarterback, I'm wanting to play all the preseason games. Sure, I'm wanting to get me Maybe give me a series in the first one, maybe get two or three series in the second. When that in that and I think it's in that third one, I want to play to the half. I want to get as much live in game reps as possible, to get actimated to the speed of game, to get to get get a familiarity with my with my officsive players, whatever it may be. That that's that's just me because I enjoyed the preseason, Joe, I enjoyed that thing. 00:09:19 Speaker 3: I want to get it. Ain't think about it though. 00:09:21 Speaker 1: In the AFC North, Okay, Joe, the Brown's probably got the worst quarterbacks out of all them teams. 00:09:28 Speaker 3: Probably. 00:09:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they got to fix man. I know it's been a while since they really had a setting stone starting quarterback, But man, I want to see I ain't gonna lie. I want to see the Browns do well. I actually want to see d get a shot play. 00:09:48 Speaker 3: Well. 00:09:48 Speaker 1: I mean because if you think about it, he was the best quarterback coming out in that draft last year. You know, he had the highest passing rating, highest completion percentage, and I just felt like he wasn't no day fifth round pick. 00:10:00 Speaker 3: Man. That's just me them. 00:10:02 Speaker 2: No, he definitely I agree, I definitely don't believe he should have been a fifth round pick. But the question is, and Joe, you asked, like, Okay, Deshaun Watson took all the reps. He's seventeen or twenty seven touchdown zero in exceptions. Shader was eleven or sixteen two touchdowns one of exceptions. Dylan Gabriel four six two touchdowns, zero in exceptions. 00:10:21 Speaker 3: Proud of this. 00:10:21 Speaker 2: We had saw, we saw the thing where Deshaun Watson had much more in a many more interceptions. Yeah, than should do her, same thing with Dylan Gabriel. So the question I asked this chat for the This question is for the women and for the men. You gotta treat you like crap for say, the last two weeks. Is there a gift that he can buy you to make you forget everything that he's done to you over those two weeks? Your old lady treats you bad for two weeks? Is there a gift? If there's something, if they're a gesture that she can do, I shouldn't say a gift. 00:10:58 Speaker 3: I should say a gesture. 00:10:59 Speaker 2: So it can be a gift, or it can be take you out to dinner, It could take you on a trip. Is their gesture if after your partner has treated you bad for the last two weeks, is their gesture men or women, that your partner could do to make you forget what she had done? Because that is the question that we're asking Todd Monkey did his did this performance from Deshaun make you forget the previous eight, nine, ten practices. 00:11:22 Speaker 3: On Joe Joe? I think put it like that, Chad, what do you think? No, I ain't going. I ain't going. 00:11:31 Speaker 4: You ain't going. 00:11:32 Speaker 2: Upending on what she doing, what she do or what she said she treated me well, the greatest apology of change behavior. I hear what you say, Miles say anything. 00:11:46 Speaker 4: Hell yeah, but my eyes telling me something else. 00:11:50 Speaker 2: I see better than not here. So I think I think that's the question. Todd monks like, okay, this he was outstanding. He had it on today kind of reminded me of Jashaun twenty twenty. Yeah, we haven't seen that guy in a very long time. Maybe he popped his head out. Maybe he like punks with Tonny Field. So I said, oh damn bring. 00:12:14 Speaker 4: Right, hey, can I say, Can I say something real quick to Uncle Joe and and those in the chat that are listening in order us to see a twenty twenty DeShawn Jackson, Right, I mean, excuse me, Shaun Watson. It's gonna got supporting casts around him to be yeah point and everything that you do. They had Jerry Judy Boston conception on Isaiah for everybody has to be accepted, hold Fanning, everybody has to be phenomenal. Oh bod excuse me, said, oh excuse me, Isaiah Bond. They got to be on point, Joe. A quarterback is only as good as a supportant cast. If we trying to look, if we're trying to see anything like the Deshaun Watson of old, everybody else around him. 00:12:57 Speaker 1: It ain't just the people around him, it's that damn old line. Man, what that old line gonna look like? 00:13:03 Speaker 2: It wasn't like I mean, I think, with the exception of Tunsul, I don't think his old line was that good. And in Houston, Houston ain't really had no old line in America. I don't know if Houston's ever had an old line because they've got they got David, they got a David carrt the league cause they got it asd sax seventy six times. 00:13:19 Speaker 3: In his first year and he's never the same. 00:13:22 Speaker 2: So we go back and study the Houston Texas over the course of their existence, the offensive. 00:13:27 Speaker 3: Line has been terrible. 00:13:28 Speaker 2: And Shadell Ain't had no damn offensive line nigga since he was at Colorado. Hell he had on the offensive line, offensive line since he was in high school. Jack and State was left a lot to be desired. Colorado, damn sure left a lot to be desired. In Cleveland. 00:13:46 Speaker 3: Wasn't much better, if anything, that probably worse. And yes, so I. 00:13:50 Speaker 2: Think the thing, if it's hard, the thing is is that being around the coaches that I've been around, been around the coach and I think Mike Canahan obviously like shit in the hand, and Dan Reeves deserves to be in the Hall of

Fame based on some of the other coaches that's gotten in that being said, it's an evail an evaluation process. 00:14:09 Speaker 3: Every single day. 00:14:10 Speaker 2: And the thing the hardest things to do o Jo and Joe, you know this is to keep it here and not do this. I can't let my emotions do that either, because guy goes out there and stinks it up. He throws five interceptions with ten incompletions. This guy can't play. He comes back the next day, o Jo, Now he throws six touchdowns with three incompletions. 00:14:36 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is our starter. You see how Flip has done changed. 00:14:40 Speaker 2: And we know sports that think, hey, it's gonna be helter skelter, But as it's being held to skelter, you need to be even killed. Your process needs to be even killed. So I don't envy that situation because the expectations I think Jimmy. 00:14:56 Speaker 3: And de has them. Who owned the Cleveland Browns. 00:15:01 Speaker 2: I've said this before, the Browns have some of the best, most loyal fans because ain't nowhere in hell. I'm sticking around for what they're thrown out there on the field for the last three decades. 00:15:11 Speaker 3: Ain't nowhere in hell. I just say, excuse me. 00:15:14 Speaker 1: Since nineteen ninety nine, yeah, ain't no way. Yeah, Hey, that's why that's why you got so many people root for shaduur broy they just want some type of surgeons and for the Browns, bro they just want something to cheer for. Hell, you know, I know we talk about we talk about the Browns making it to the playoffs and that division, Man is gonna be tough. At a five hundred, you tee about five you're about to playoffs, Joe, Damn. Can't they want five hundred where you can't go five hundred anymore? Can that be nine and eight? I'm saying, you know, it's a lot of teams that come into come into the season with expectations, talk about whether it's a championship, this, that and the third man. 00:15:57 Speaker 4: Come on, man, Joe, that's not realistic, Joe. If you look at the landscape of the NFL, Uncle Joe, to be honest with you, you probably got eight teams, maybe got eight teams that are constructed that chance, realistic chance not only making the playoffs, but hoist and that god damn and Bardi Trophy. I mean, I mean being realistic based on you know, how they're structured, what you have on office, what you have. You definitely got to have a defense. You definitely got to have a defense and you got to have an adequate offense that can compete weekend and week out. 00:16:30 Speaker 2: I will say this, expectations leads to disappointment. We've all been there. We don't win out Hey, we don't win out there. Oh yeah, hey, I don't talk. They got this nice I bought flowers. I bought flowers before I came because that's what gentlemen, that's what I saw in the movie. That's what they do. Brought me some flowers. O Joe, Joe got that nice meal. You know what I'm saying. I'm young, I can stay up late. Hey, let's go to the movie. I get to the dope. I had a great time. I thought I was like, I thought I was gonna get you want to come in that what I would open up? Damn, I don't know what I'm his side, you see whateppen. I had expectations based on what I had hell, that it was gonna pay off in something in the end. People think, oh, we had a great training camping. Everybody came in and everybody, I don't guarant you you're gonna win. 00:17:34 Speaker 3: You go with a whole bunch of damn games. 00:17:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't mean nothing. Boy, I don't mean another thing. That don't mean nothing is the. 00:17:41 Speaker 3: Preseason, absolutely not. 00:17:42 Speaker 4: I don't see I didn't see. I don't seen many a team go forward on the preseason. 00:17:47 Speaker 1: And so y'all telling me if a dude come out, let's say he ain't no quarterback, right, but he plays one of the elite positions, And you said he. 00:17:57 Speaker 3: Come out in the preseason. 00:17:58 Speaker 2: He ball? 00:17:59 Speaker 1: You mean, I mean, they ain't gonna put no stain on the coach brain like man, I might need to find find some room from playing. 00:18:05 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but see now you see what you've done, Joe. You put expectations on them. You see what you just did. Joe, you said that man, don't put a stay in your mind that he could do this. Now, you don't put expectations. We did don't meet that expectation. 00:18:19 Speaker 3: There? What what we got on you? Uncle? 00:18:21 Speaker 4: Un Well, hold on, uncle hey, hold on, Uncle Joe, Joe, you gotta think about it. Now we talk about preseason. Let's say not a quarterback, let's say skill position. 00:18:29 Speaker 3: Right. 00:18:30 Speaker 4: You gotta receive out there cutting up in the preseason. 00:18:32 Speaker 3: Was the guy that that that that that showed it? 00:18:36 Speaker 4: He he and he cut a food did Season two he was. He was that boy. But this is the thing, Joe, you gotta remember, preseason you're going against two falls. Now, that's not what you're gonna see on Sunday. 00:18:47 Speaker 2: It's eleven guys gonna get cut, Joe, Damn. Eleven hundred guys gonna get cut a thousand, my man. So they're gonna go. They're gonna go from eighty to uh. They probably got ninety guys in camp at some point in times. You gotta will that thing down and keep willing down, willing down. You might may have had one hundred guys in camp. You're a willing that thing down and willing it down and willing it down. Will it down, Will it down. With that being said, I think the thing is is that you hope I mean could look Oh your correct me if I'm wrong. 00:19:19 Speaker 3: I think with the exception of. 00:19:20 Speaker 2: Maybe five guys, coaches and staff know who their guys are gonna be going into the season. You'll get it big. You'll get a rod Smith, you'll get a to Real Davis. But for the most part, you have a general idea your starters and your backups. 00:19:39 Speaker 3: Now, some guys, sometimes guys gonna flash. 00:19:42 Speaker 2: Is gonna a game,

be like, Oh, I gotta give him this guy, especially if he does it early, because now I gotta give him an ask to look, Joe, I gotta make Okay, let me see what he's like with John, Let me see what he's like with the number one defense. 00:19:54 Speaker 3: Let me see what he's like behind the number one punt punt return team. 00:19:58 Speaker 2: So now I can I I can, I can evaluate them a little better because if I get him constantly going against twos and threes and going against some guys that potentially might not make the team, I don't know if I'm doing a fair evaluation of him and what he's capable of doing. Because I know a lot of the guys that he's making plays against they're not gonna be in the league. 00:20:18 Speaker 3: So now I gotta give him. I gotta give him a better look. 00:20:22 Speaker 2: I gotta give him a more extensive look. O Jo, you said something earlier that like when the guys and in camp, they're looking at plays and then you see these guys and you know the guy can't tee off on you, but that guy across the field, he can tee off on your ass. And he trying to make a club. He trying to make the club. Yeah, so he looked he's looking at you as an opportunity for him to make the club. See, and your own team guys ain't gonna hit you like that. They're gonna walk walk up every once in a while you get a guy you know, and then you're gonna get a lot of pushing and shove. And it's why I don't do that the most, throw the ball and hit you in the head with the hitch in the back. But across that, well, he don't know what you're gonna do, and you don't know what he gonna do. 00:21:08 Speaker 3: He got for you. 00:21:09 Speaker 4: It's a different ball game. You got, you got, you gotta play honest, Joe, ain't ain't no. 00:21:13 Speaker 1: Cheat you and I understand that. But the many years that I've played in the NBA, it's probably been about three to four times oo to where when we invite cast the training camp and you be like, man, you know, coach may tell you, well, look, budd and them ain't gonna make the team, but we need some bodies for camp. But it's been a few times, man, I'm talking about about three four times to where dudes who was supposed to make the team, hell, they made the team just by being relentless, working hard and just out there doing all the threes. 00:21:49 Speaker 3: Huh Austin, Ye, yeah, he one of them. He one of them, Bro, you know what I mean? 00:21:55 Speaker 1: And I just feel like I know, in football is probably a little different obviously, but Man, I've seen guys who weren't supposed to be there, man, just have such a high work ethic to where they just wouldn't take no. 00:22:07 Speaker 2: Bro. 00:22:07 Speaker 3: It's like if you cut this man. 00:22:09 Speaker 1: I remember one time here in Atlanta, Man, we had a guy named Ivan Johnson. 00:22:13 Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all ever heard of it, that's done. Was he a forward? Yeah, he like a power forward. Yeah, but he probably wasn't. 00:22:19 Speaker 1: But

about six four sixty five, Ojo, he played overseas, he got banned from overseas, and he came here to the Atlanta Hawks. Bro, he tried out five team, got a mouthful of goals, Ocho. I'm talking about permanent. Permanent, hear me. Yeah, Man, they didn't think dude was gonna make the team. But when I tell you, Ojo, this dude was so relentless in practice in training camp, like it wasn't no way you could get rid of him. Bro'm like defensively he was causing having he in passing lanes. He you know what I mean, just doing any and everything. Like if you tell a guy like that, no, it's like, damn, bro, that's messed up. So James Harrison, huh, James Harrison got cut like three four times. Oh James Harrison did. 00:22:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ravens cut him, The Steelers cut him, Steelers cut him again. I think the Ravens cut him again. Steelers cut him again. That's why his ass worked so hard. Yepp Alix Caruso rod Smith was an undrafted Friedger. Johnny Randall was an undrafted Friedger, a defensive tack away two hundred and thirty five pounds. Joe had to put waist in his pocket and cut ass every Sunday. Oh he told the ass up and talked. 00:23:34 Speaker 3: The whole game. 00:23:36 Speaker 2: I love hearing stories like that, Oh man, Johnny Randall. Hey, because Johnny Johnny was in my draft. Yeah, oh Joe, you talking about you thought you did? Joker talk the whole hour to get off the rock. 00:23:52 Speaker 3: He talked the whole game, talking trash up, talking trash. 00:23:57 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Johnnyeah, oh yeah, big time. And I haven't seen it. Oh, I played, I played it. I played against him. 00:24:05 Speaker 2: What I played against him in ninety played against him in ninety one, played against him in ninety three, played against him in ninety six, ninety nine. 00:24:16 Speaker 3: Oh my god, like. 00:24:17 Speaker 4: Damn bro, Yeah a Joe, what happened to young bull with a go with he made? 00:24:23 Speaker 3: What you what you mean? What happened that man made the team? Oh Joe? 00:24:27 Speaker 1: He played for the Hawks for like two about two and a half, maybe three years, bro, Yeah, Kurt Warner was an undrafted fridge. 00:24:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, kurk Kirk came from Canada to. 00:24:38 Speaker 3: Un uh he Renal League, our barn Starers Renal League. Really. 00:24:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, But sometimes sometimes guys just need an opportunity and sometimes it might not be where you are. 00:24:54 Speaker 3: That gives you that opportunity. 00:24:56 Speaker 2: But you got I mean, look you and James like because you look you look at James James five level. 00:25:04 Speaker 3: We don't need every five level outside linebackers. Joe and it is he He would not take no for an answer. That's what you want them type of dudes you want to He would not take no for an answer. 00:25:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, and. 00:25:21 Speaker 2: Turned himself into a defensive Player of the Year and one of the great Steelers linebackers. We know Steelers that they're

along for anything there long. They're known for linebacker play Jack Ham, the Lambert to Mike Meriweather to Guilden to a Peasy, they've had them Woodenly, they got them, Andy Russell, you name they they're known for linebackers. 00:25:46 Speaker 3: And he fit that mold. 00:25:50 Speaker 4: And to. 00:25:53 Speaker 3: Fit right in with the seventies Steelers. 00:25:55 Speaker 2: Seventies steel Steelers, James, you've been more perfect for the Raiders. 00:26:02 Speaker 1: You know them hard working dudes. Bro, They gonna beat the talented dude any day. Bro, they gonna beat him any day because you don't have one signature, think that he can live rely on. It wasn't like he's running four four yeah, it wasn't like he was six four. 00:26:19 Speaker 3: Yeah. He was undersized. He said, I gotta be relentless. Yeah. And his leverage. 00:26:26 Speaker 2: He used this leverage because tackles are hot, tall six four six six four to six eight. So guess what they punched He up underneath you. You gotta basically punch down. 00:26:38 Speaker 3: And guess what. 00:26:40 Speaker 4: You don't want somebody as strong as that, A hey want somebody strong as strong and depo get up underneath you cancer. 00:26:47 Speaker 3: Christmas, it's over. 00:26:48 Speaker 4: It's a rap. 00:26:50 Speaker 2: But but that's what you have to do, though, guys, that's why I mean sometimes you like when you have success, Joe. You know, look, you have success in college, and people just automate. Well, he was so good in college. Everybody was good in college. That's how he got to the league. Hey, y'all, you'll make it seem that the guys were bombs. Everybody was good and how the guys got to college because they was good at high school. 00:27:15 Speaker 3: But everybody can't make it. 00:27:18 Speaker 2: There's only Okay, let's just say for Sagamaroon, you got one hundred and twenty guys in college. How many they graduate? They graduate a million damn kids, boys of young men every year. 00:27:30 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:27:31 Speaker 2: Of those million, how many are gonna get an opportnity to play in the NFL. They only got fifty three damn spots? 00:27:37 Speaker 3: Right, So what. 00:27:43 Speaker 2: I just need one of I knew what it was ponssible for me. I don't know about everybody else. I don't need but one. 00:27:47 Speaker 3: Hello, I don't know about everybody else. 00:27:50 Speaker 2: I don't know what they thinking, what they thought process was, Oh, Joe, Joe, I don't know what they were thinking. Yes, yes, sir, I know what I was thinking, and I know I wasn't going back to gliviald oh Man. Mike Mike Garoffolo spoke to the on the Brills Battle Quarterback and he's been hearing about quarterback Battle One is going to bet Deshaun Watson, which is amazing because owner Jimmy has them said it before. They took a swing and miss that DeShawn and made it seem like it was over. 00:28:29 Speaker 3: Look. 00:28:30 Speaker 2: He was like, I gotta get Joe. I gotta get something, Joe. I've given this man the most guaranteed money in NFL history. I gave him a contract. So check this out, Joe. When they signed to Shawn, DeShawn had not already he had not even started on the guaranteed contract. He had just signed an extension. He hadn't started that yet. Cleveland gave him an extension. On top of the extension. Yeah, I am so he had he had like one I think he had one forty one, one hundred and forty one million dollars. Please say, you know what, we like you, We really like you. Let're going to get you another eighty nine on top of. 00:29:13 Speaker 3: That, that's because they had been struggling. Bro. 00:29:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to understand how long they've been struggling, though, Joe to to be able to do that, to be that desperate for a quarterback that was playing extremely well in Houston, you know, and he was able to do it, but but not very many pieces around him. Basically, he hun Yeah, he had. He went crazy, Joe. So I understand why the Browns, who's been looking for a quarterback since Bernie Cozar, someone that could, you know, steer that ship and keep him a flu That's why they That's why they went at him like that with all that money, and you know what, we gonna guarantee. 00:29:50 Speaker 1: To make sure they could get him. Man, we got to keep it one hundred. Oh Joe, it ain't worked out. Yeah, it ain't. 00:30:00 Speaker 2: Everybody has Jimmy and Dick knows that. DeShawn knows that it has not worked out. I guess he said, you know what the likelihood of me was remaining here he said. I mean I heard him talking the other day. He said, yeah, I love to side of another contract with the Cleveland brown I don't know if that's gonna happen. I think he's thinking if I played well, I might not sign a contract here, but yeah, but. 00:30:24 Speaker 3: When I tell people all the. 00:30:25 Speaker 2: Time, hold on the team that you play along are the only team that played their players sometimes? 00:30:33 Speaker 3: Oh told you, I don't know you've seen it. God, get so caught. 00:30:36 Speaker 2: Up, man, bro Let's put in other damn teams they pay money. 00:30:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, o't Joe. 00:30:43 Speaker 4: I got I got a question too. Let's say, let's say if things don't work out now. I don't mean to be looking ahead, not saying that any's going to have a bad season. I'm not sure what's gonna happen, but I'm just very well could be Deshaun Watson's last season in Cleveland. But I have a feelings dure will take over. Take over for the forcible future. Look at the landscape of the NFL in general, and teams that still need a quarterback. If Deshaun Watson does play well this year, what teams are out there that would need According to playing well, O Joe, I mean playing well enough to know we're gonna take a chance on him, because we we got it. 00:31:18 Speaker 2: So okay, let me see you say he throws somewhere between thirty five hundred and four thousand yards he had somewhere between say, twenty two. 00:31:27 Speaker

3: And thirty touchdowns. Yeah, somebody gonna play him. 00:31:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, But I'm just saying, but think about think about what you just said. That brainer, right, it's a no brainer. 00:31:38 Speaker 3: But what ye might be because oh Joe, I give you prime example. Look at tour. 00:31:46 Speaker 2: They paid tour and I just ready to report that tour looked like he's gonna be the start in Atlanta. 00:31:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw, I saw that too. 00:31:54 Speaker 2: So it's hard to get It's hard to find him Joe a good quarterback? 00:32:03 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's hard. Hell if you halfway there, hey, forget forget elite. It's hard to find a good one. 00:32:13 Speaker 3: So I don't know what you think of Joe. You think I mean? 00:32:16 Speaker 2: Garoppolo said that, Okay, executive, let's take a look at this executive and coaches Racier Door Sanders thirty fifth out of thirty five veteran quarterbacks per Mike Sandozi Athletic one DC said I sleep like a baby if I got to play him every week. One executive says he's inaccurate on all three levels. I can't tell if he's going to get better, but there's a huge gap between him and. 00:32:40 Speaker 3: A competent in competent quarterback. 00:32:41 Speaker 2: Play damn and he Knowe came in at thirty five, Deshaun came in at thirty one. How fifty Executive Been coaches ranked the thirty five veteran quarterbacks And you can see the list right there, My homeboy, No surprise number one, Josh Allen, number two, Matthew Stafford number three, Joe Burrow number four, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, Drake May, Jerry Goff, Jordan Love, and then you got Rock Perty, Kayler Williams tied tied for number eleven. And you can read the list. Chatter is on the screen right there, so you can see the list. And when you when you think about Shadua being last on this list, considering the fact that if he if he played in eight games last year, un Joe started in seven, I think he had some like uh what eight eight, nine touchdown but I think he had like ten picks in those in those games played in. Yeah, I think that's why he's he's last on that list, and he does have room for improvement, you know what I mean. 00:33:43 Speaker 1: But it's hard, bro, when you don't get consistent reps. Hell, how do you expect for me to come out here and be and put on the show? 00:33:51 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. 00:33:52 Speaker 1: But at the same time, this is what we talk about when you talk about being a professional, talking about being ready when your number is called. 00:33:59 Speaker 3: So I think due to you know, should do his rookie year. This is this is kind of where he's at. 00:34:06 Speaker 1: But I think he'sn't got better and he just got to show it now, Bro, he gotta show it. So if I if I'm if I'm shure doing I ain't really tripping off this list, Bro. 00:34:16 Speaker 2: JJ, MacArthur and Pindix, I don't believe that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Look and this, this is and these exacts. You guys have evaluated talent a lot longer than I have. But I'll take I'll take your doing over them too all day long. That's just me. Everybody's entitled to the opinion. Obviously, they get paid the Kings ransom to evaluate players on. All they do is watch tape all the time. Upset player. Obviously, Look, hey the top, I mean what we're talking about. Anybody that didn't have Patrick my whole number one, I don't give it that if he did come up injury, if he got legs, he number one. 00:34:56 Speaker 3: I mean, what do we doing, O Joe? You guy with five. 00:35:01 Speaker 2: Fan so I discussing he won three he's a three times a league, a two times league MVP, he's a three times you know, Super Bowl MVP. 00:35:11 Speaker 3: What we what we do with here? 00:35:13 Speaker 4: But mm hmm? 00:35:15 Speaker 2: And I think Michael Penis might have a Joe, your quarterback in Atlanta, might have a great career. But I told you I was skeptical at the time. I said, it don't make sense to me. This pick does not make sense to me. If you took cousins and you take a quarterback. 00:35:33 Speaker 4: Hey, but he had played so well, Uncle, Uncle Joe, you just don't want to You just don't want to leave well knowing you need a quarterback. Penix when he was coming out of college. 00:35:47 Speaker 3: Wasn't that good? 00:35:48 Speaker 2: While he's still in college. I do know that's why he's still in college. Yes, I know exactly. 00:35:57 Speaker 4: Hey, A lot of people, a lot of listening players staying in college, transforming schools, going to other schools. He had an injury towards a c L Yeah, yeah, yes, something something like that. So having a having a state you know, in school to be able to prove yourself so you can get drafted a little higher, which is exactly what that's your question. 00:36:14 Speaker 2: If you didn't have to go to all those us and you could have played, if you could have like your freshman year you played balled out. 00:36:19 Speaker 3: Okay, you red shirted. 00:36:20 Speaker 2: You balled out your fresh red shirt freshman year, you brought out your red shirt red shirt. Sophomore year you stayed in school, or you coming out? 00:36:29 Speaker 4: I'm coming out? 00:36:30 Speaker 3: Why are you coming out? Because you hear. 00:36:33 Speaker 4: Because it was balling Hey listen, and you dubbed that he would he was nice. 00:36:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, I l back then. So now you've got a whole different argument. 00:36:41 Speaker 2: We could have a whole different conversation with the guys making three four, five six million dollars. 00:36:46 Speaker 3: I'm not to fight you on that, but. 00:36:53 Speaker 1: And you know, Penni Pennicks still since he been since he been pro, since he's been in the NFL, Joe, he's still been kind of bogged down with injuries. So it don't surprise me that too is gonna start. 00:37:04 Speaker 3: Uh. 00:37:05 Speaker 1: You know, you hope to see Pennies get back to, you know, being a pretty good QB. 00:37:12 Speaker 2: But Atlanta

got. You know, they got problems because they got weapons. Man, Lanta got all the weapons you could won't bro. I'm talking about every Yes. 00:37:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, tight end, receiver, running back. Listen, all two of all two got to do is don't turn them all over. And two is a very very good quarterback. He's a good system quarterback and a rhythm and timing type quarterback. When when you hit a when you hit that seven step, that ball gonna be right down your face mask. Now, he might not have a strong people might not people might not like his deep ball, but I'm saying just being an adequate quarterback, just being able to run the offense. He can do that because we've seen that. 00:37:54 Speaker 3: Ball Saturday night to get it there on Sunday. That what I'm saying. 00:37:57 Speaker 1: He talking about, Man, we talked about to it last year. He come on, man, come on, Joe. 00:38:04 Speaker 4: Hold on, hey, are we forgetting to see we're forgetting the season two I had with with Reek and uh the back to back to the back season. 00:38:13 Speaker 3: Season. 00:38:14 Speaker 2: Yeah you had seventeen ninety nine, ojo. Yeah, and the year had like seventeen oh three or something. Yeah, that man talking about something that. 00:38:26 Speaker 3: Happened three years ago. 00:38:28 Speaker 2: Look, let me, let me tell you what and then I'm gonna let you all, let you, let you, let you the guys decide. I'm always leary, especially of a quarterback that has an injury history in college. Oh okay, because if he's injured in college, ojo, and they played ten, eleven, twelve games, the physicality in the NFL, now they play seventeen games. 00:38:52 Speaker 3: The likelihood of him avoiding that's all I'm saying. Go ahead, what what you. 00:38:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard, It's hard. It's hardy. 00:38:59 Speaker 3: Listen. 00:38:59 Speaker 4: I'm I'm with you when you're right most most of the time. Listen, if you if you if you're living out of college, you're gonna limten to the pros. It is what it is. Some some people are fortunate some people. I mean, it just it just it is what it is, that injury bug. It hits you at the at the worst times as well, and it happens some players and just it's just unfortunate the way the way the body is. I hate calling people glass. I hate people call calling people brittle, but you just can't avoid them sometimes. 00:39:29 Speaker 1: Man, it's hard when you when when I sit here and listen to some of these guys talk and they say they don't talk to they don't get advice from guys on their team, whether it's coaches or players. Oo, I don't know how to hear you play the game, bro like that, You. 00:39:44 Speaker 3: Know what I mean? 00:39:44 Speaker 1: Like if you ain't, if you ain't lived in the ear, and you ain't being a sponge about the game that you're playing, brow, it's hard to improve. Yeah, you can work till you bluing the damn faith, but man, you got you have to ask for help. You can't be too good the way you feel like you can't ask questions. And that's my only problem. 00:40:04 Speaker 2: I agree. I was not afraid. I was like I would ask John what I'm doing? What can I do better? 00:40:09 Speaker 3: Uh? I was. 00:40:10 Speaker 2: I was very fortunate that some of the veteran receivers I had, Duke Jackson, uh Mark Jackson, had Vance Johnson, Ricky Knat, Michael Young. 00:40:19 Speaker 3: They really really helped me. 00:40:21 Speaker 2: Like, hey, man, you know they ken't inspect a lot of the defensive guys. It was guys like Steve add Water and Dennis Smith's. Like Dennis Smiths used to tell me all the time. He's like hey, He's like, you can be good. Yeah, I said, you think so, Hoona we call him Big Khuna. I said, Hoho, do you think so. He's like, yeah, you're gonna You're gonna be good. Just keep just keep working, just keep doing. And it was just it just to hear him a guy that that had been around for an extended period of time, he had been a multiple time Pro Bowl player, an awesome player for the Broncos either in the Ring of Fame, and he's telling me, this rookie that I'm that I can that I'm will be good, that I can be good if I just keep working, because I think I'm working and I just you know, I always remember my grand to say say, boy, never mistaken have it for hard work. And I was like, I think I'm working hard, and there are a lot of people that think they're working hard that might not be working hard, or Mike could work hard or might not know how to work. And one thing to know, you know, to work, and then there's another thing to know how to work, right, But it did something to hear him tell me that I could be good or you thought I could be good if I just kept working. 00:41:23 Speaker 3: But I ain't never had a problem to asking no questions. 00:41:26 Speaker 1: Because the invention guys on your team, Bro, who you should lean on. I take you back to when I was a rookie. I had Tony battique Ed Williams, and I'm saying Eric Williams because me and him played the same position, Uncle Ojo. But instead of him, you know, going out doing his own thing and leaving me. 00:41:44 Speaker 3: To Bro, he lended every day. 00:41:47 Speaker 2: Bro. 00:41:47 Speaker 1: He was giving me some some wisdom and some advice to be effective in the offense to where I could where I could have opportunities to you know, put my stamp on the game. So it's just little stuff like that, man, that you really appreciate, specially as a young dude when you come in because you so blind and everything, You so oblivious to things you like. Damn, you don't really know how hard. You don't really know how hard you're supposed to work to be a pro coming out of college. You don't know that, man, right, because you so much better than everybody else in college, Joe, So hey, you getting by a pure athleticism. 00:42:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, not even just college, even in high school. 00:42:24 Speaker 1: Like when you good, when you're so good, bro, and then it doesn't you know, uh, you could just

wake up out of bed and do your thing, you know, when the game time comes versus It's almost like somebody who's very smart and then somebody who really has to study a lot for a test. Yeah I knew, I knew people. Yeah, I knew people who didn't have to study for tests in school. Hell, I had to be up all night. 00:42:45 Speaker 2: Okay, oh Joe looking trying to write stuff on my fore arms to have a little cheekol you know what I'm saying. Like it was hard for me, you know, but to some people. Man, they come to class so relaxed, chill, hell, make straight a ease. I'm like, you know, it's a look different. 00:43:00 Speaker 3: For everybody, you know what I mean. It all depends on the class. That was me, Joe, it was math class. 00:43:05 Speaker 2: Man. 00:43:05 Speaker 3: I don't got everything. I don't got nose wrote down on a pencil. I've got that. 00:43:09 Speaker 2: I had to have this young lady write this down on my pencil, A D, D E, A C. But history and stuff like that, I'm good. Hey, Hey, I can do some stuff. But yeah, I just this lisp right here. 00:43:23 Speaker 3: Boy. They got some whu Come on, man, come on man. 00:43:27 Speaker 2: They got basically basically you see that note yoe, they got uh, we done took it down. But they got four tier one guys. They say, mahomes Alx Stafford, they're the only Tier one guys. And then you got a bunch of Tier two guys. So basically five through seventeen it's tier two. But when I tell people that, like, guys, y'all can talk about everybody. Bro, it's always been. They trying to make it seem like now this is a fewer quarterbacks that never know, it's not. You had the same number of quarterbacks. There wasn't a whole to l Wave's Montana, the damn Marinos. Back back then, they weren't. They were not, And just like they tried to elevate people and put them in there. But the only difference I will say now compared to back then is that you had to put multiple, multiple years in OJO before they gave you a tip. Now, a guy to have one good year, Hey, he the best receiving the league. He the best running back in the league. He the best quarterback in the league. He the best after one year. They used to make oh Jo, you know this, They used to make you work. You had to go to multiple pro Bowls. You couldn't go to no run, Hey your first Pro Bowl? You mad' look here, you was observant, you would listen to everything else because more time than not, guys that were over there with you had gone to one, two, three or four had gone to multiple Pro Bowls before you. So you had to Hey you had Hey, you weren't coming up there calling those shots. Now a guy had one good season. Oh that's he the best I ever seen. 00:45:02 Speaker 3: You. 00:45:02 Speaker 2: Boy, you must have been blind up until yesterday. 00:45:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all it's all about matter of fact. That Tier one is all about being consistent. That that tier one, that those top four of the top five are consistent over and over and over and over, and everybody

under that has a chance to be consistent. But it all comes down to them. W's come down to the ws. There's a lot of quarterbacks that's not in that tier one. They got a lot of passages. 00:45:30 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. 00:45:31 Speaker 2: But I do think based on his history and being a two time league MVP could easily be a three time NBC. It's hard for me to say Lamar Jackson's not Tier one, man, he is hard. It's hard for me not to I just It's just hard because I remember the time that used to matter, because it used to matter guys winning an MVP in the regular season on shoe because that's guess what, that's over a seventy sixteen game season. 00:46:01 Speaker 3: Yes, the super Bowl MVP, that's one game. 00:46:04 Speaker 2: We've seen guys, get what when super Bowl MVP and be out of the league the next year. Tell many guys won the league MVP. That's out of the league in the next year. Mm hmm. 00:46:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, Hey, you know, Joe, I'm sure the discourse, the dialogue and the conversations about Lamar not being Tier one. Obviously, executives they have their own opinion, but we got eyes. We've watched it over the years. When you go when you when you when a defense game plans and you're playing the Baltimore Ravens, the game plan to stop one person. Sure, you have Derrick Henry. Yeah, you want to stop the run? You have Zave Flowers. Yes, y is very good. But we got to deal with eight. We have to deal with eight. Can we find a way to stop number eight? That's Tier one? 00:46:53 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:46:54 Speaker 2: And the thing is is that, look, they everybody tried, and people get all here, I'm telling you. If I'm a defensive coordinator, I'm gonna make him throw that ball from the pocket. I'm not lettinghim get outside on yo, I'm not telling Lamar now, I'm at his mercy. Yeah, he can run it, but hell or he throw the ball over my damn head. 00:47:15 Speaker 3: He picked me. 00:47:15 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I wanted to throw because at least when he's in the pocket, I know where he is. 00:47:20 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 00:47:22 Speaker 4: And the funny thing about it, though, Uncle Joe, is he's approved. He's improved so much. 00:47:28 Speaker 3: He's gone from the pocket. 00:47:30 Speaker 4: You know, he's he choosing as when he was younger, younger, Lamar, he look at one read it ain't there. I'm gone, man. He going he reading left or right and coming back left before he take off with the ball. And he got much He's gotten much better as a passer. Man, He's gotten much better as a passer. Now he's really a dual threat, really a dual threat. 00:47:53 Speaker 2: Y'all do realize they listened to thirty five quarterbacks. Y'all keep on talking about Lamar Jackson. Yeah, he won MVP. They got the rings. Only five of these guys got rings. Y'all do realize that? Right my home Boy, Matthew Stafford, Jalen Hurts, Sam Donald, and Aaron Rodgers. M H, I'm confused. Only a handful of probably six of them. Okay, Patrick Mahomes has it MVP, Josh Allen has it MVP, Matthew Stafford has an MVP, Aaron Rodgers has an MVP. 00:48:38 Speaker 3: So basically the same. 00:48:39 Speaker 2: Number of guys that have Super Bowl rings has MVPs. Y'all think that's cheasy. I mean from a from a distance, it does. 00:48:55 Speaker 3: It's not. It's not. And when you get and this. 00:49:02 Speaker 2: Is why I said, once Lamar gets a Super Bowl, he goes into a whole different category because there's not a whole lot of guys that have multiple and multiple means want more than one MVPs. And so now you're talking about Joe Montana. Now you're talking about Tom Brady. Now you're talking about Peyton Manning. Now you're talking about Aaron Rodgers. Now you're talking about I'm a Homeboy. Now you're talking about a Johnny U nine. 00:49:36 Speaker 3: Is you see. 00:49:37 Speaker 2: Now that list? To be in that list? I know everybody wants to court, everybody wants their team, wants their quarterback to win. But if everybody wants, Oh Joe, what what what's so? What's the because of winning, if everybody won, we had no. 00:50:03 Speaker 4: Significant at all, and that that's what. Yeah, that's what. That's that's what's so great too, because a lot of times everybody came won't get it. 00:50:15 Speaker 3: Yeah,