Full Transcript for 269: Hollywood Dynasties

or whatever? Well, he's like a producer on that now. 77 00:04:58.250 --> 00:04:59.069 That's what he does. 78 00:04:59.910 --> 00:05:00.709 Interesting. 79 00:05:00.970 --> 00:05:05.000 So Chris Makepeace and Martin Maul and one of his few... 80 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:08.800 One of his rare non-gay characters, Martin Maul. 81 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:09.180 So. 82 00:05:09.939 --> 00:05:12.819 Most of the time, he's just sort of Martin Maul. 83 00:05:13.939 --> 00:05:19.319 Well, he even got a special guest star, Martin Maul, 84 00:05:19.699 --> 00:05:22.199 in My Bodyguard, which I don't know how you get that. 85 00:05:22.259 --> 00:05:23.689 You must be pretty high up on that. 86 00:05:24.139 --> 00:05:28.810 That was early, too. 87 00:05:29.350 --> 00:05:31.490 He was good in that. I liked it. So, yeah, 88 00:05:31.569 --> 00:05:34.709 I got to relive that. I'm actually working... on my 89 00:05:35.410 --> 00:05:39.050 70s snap zoom techniques, and so I wanted to go 90 00:05:39.069 --> 00:05:43.069 ahead and do some research. I'm really not. That's not 91 00:05:43.089 --> 00:05:43.470 what I'm doing. 92 00:05:43.509 --> 00:05:45.050 Oh, I got really excited for a second. 93 00:05:45.069 --> 00:05:46.000 I kind of want to see these. 94 00:05:46.149 --> 00:05:47.329 I'm into star wipes now. 95 00:05:47.629 --> 00:05:49.279 You've moved into the 80s. 96 00:05:49.389 --> 00:05:50.980 Good for you. 97 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:57.100 Apparently Martin Mull's quite a painter as well. 98 00:05:57.120 --> 00:05:57.199 Yeah. 99 00:05:57.300 --> 00:05:59.879 I think something he became way more passionate about as 100 00:05:59.920 --> 00:06:00.610 the years went on. 101 00:06:01.889 --> 00:06:05.149 They said that about Hitler, too. He was not... His 102 00:06:05.209 --> 00:06:07.769 perspective was all over the place. That guy couldn't paint. 103 00:06:09.209 --> 00:06:10.709 That's what led him. 104 00:06:10.750 --> 00:06:12.930 Well, he had to find something else to do. 105 00:06:12.949 --> 00:06:15.810 Did you guys... Did anybody see Max? 106 00:06:15.970 --> 00:06:16.689 I think that's what it was. 107 00:06:16.709 --> 00:06:20.389 Where John Cusack played his dealer. His art dealer. 108 00:06:20.449 --> 00:06:25.329 Hitler's dealer? Really? It was Noah... Wiley? Wait. 109 00:06:25.350 --> 00:06:27.939 It was the guy that played young Hitler. And it 110 00:06:27.949 --> 00:06:28.860 was up until. 111 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:31.019 He came into power. 112 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:34.639 Is that anything like young Indiana Jones? Young Hitler? That 113 00:06:35.259 --> 00:06:35.980 would not be a good show. 114 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:39.170 They probably crossed paths. I mean, Indy ran into everybody 115 00:06:39.209 --> 00:06:43.750 over the years, including Hitler, actually. Probably so. 116 00:06:43.870 --> 00:06:44.889 Hitler's birthday is coming up. 117 00:06:46.230 --> 00:06:47.509 Are we going to make a cake. 118 00:06:47.290 --> 00:06:48.009 Or something like that? 119 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:50.839 I wasn't sure where you were going with that. 120 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:51.959 It was just more of a statement. 121 00:06:51.980 --> 00:06:53.500 I thought it was going to be a joke. 122 00:06:54.620 --> 00:06:57.319 I do have a Hitler joke. 123 00:06:57.379 --> 00:06:58.079 And tumbleweeds. 124 00:07:00.660 --> 00:07:02.240 I think he'll be surprised with the party. 125 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:05.069 So I couldn't Hitler drink vodka. 126 00:07:06.470 --> 00:07:06.769 Why? 127 00:07:06.790 --> 00:07:07.410 It made him mean. 128 00:07:07.430 --> 00:07:08.930 Oh, jeez. 129 00:07:09.589 --> 00:07:10.230 Oh, God. 130 00:07:10.649 --> 00:07:12.290 All right, and we're done. 131 00:07:12.310 --> 00:07:14.029 The end. I saw Noah. 132 00:07:17.939 --> 00:07:18.540 Did anybody see Noah? 133 00:07:18.620 --> 00:07:19.860 Oh, I wanted to. 134 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:22.620 I made snide comments about it last week. 135 00:07:23.189 --> 00:07:26.889 I will reference that episode. I'd have nothing to say 136 00:07:26.930 --> 00:07:28.730 about it unless anybody else in this room has seen it. 137 00:07:29.269 --> 00:07:30.170 It's a conversation. 138 00:07:30.649 --> 00:07:34.189 It's not a monologue. I need to work through it. 139 00:07:34.410 --> 00:07:36.410 When you say work through it, do you mean like 140 00:07:36.449 --> 00:07:38.430 in a Psychiatric sense? 141 00:07:38.649 --> 00:07:38.990 Possibly. 142 00:07:39.009 --> 00:07:39.949 You need to process the event? 143 00:07:39.970 --> 00:07:40.490 I kind of do. 144 00:07:40.589 --> 00:07:43.389 I mean, it's... Yeah, I don't even know where to 145 00:07:43.430 --> 00:07:43.939 start with this one. 146 00:07:43.949 --> 00:07:45.329 Would you like to lay down before we leave? 147 00:07:45.529 --> 00:07:48.449 Yeah, can I just lay down? I wrote it off until... 148 00:07:48.410 --> 00:07:49.970 I found out a week before it came out that 149 00:07:50.029 --> 00:07:52.389 Aronofsky even directed it. I didn't even know anything about 150 00:07:52.420 --> 00:07:54.339 it until... I didn't even know it was coming out 151 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:56.279 until like a week before. And then I found out 152 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:57.959 he was... That's the only reason I want to see it, 153 00:07:57.980 --> 00:07:58.480 to be honest. 154 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:00.100 And that's the only reason... I mean, I would not 155 00:08:00.139 --> 00:08:02.899 have found myself in a biblical epic with an Aronofsky 156 00:08:02.939 --> 00:08:03.839 name not attached to it. 157 00:08:03.939 --> 00:08:05.240 Come on. 158 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:05.459 Pat. 159 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:06.939 Wait, the one that... Was that. 160 00:08:07.269 --> 00:08:07.750 Coppola? 161 00:08:08.850 --> 00:08:12.779 The one with Willem Dafoe? Last Temptation of Christ. 162 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:14.860 Who's starring Harry Dean Stanton? 163 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:16.000 Who? 164 00:08:16.019 -->

00:08:18.180 Harry Dean Stanton. 165 00:08:19.259 --> 00:08:21.269 Oh, you're not familiar with the work of Harry Dean Stanton? 166 00:08:21.290 --> 00:08:22.259 Why don't we talk about it? 167 00:08:22.290 --> 00:08:22.670 Here he comes. 168 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.620 Wait what about the last definition. 169 00:08:27.060 --> 00:08:29.339 That's the one that's the only one I've actually seen 170 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:31.920 because there's all the others oh right right yeah and 171 00:08:31.939 --> 00:08:32.879 I like that a lot. 172 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.190 Well Noah I hate Aronofsky but I see every movie 173 00:08:37.210 --> 00:08:41.330 that he makes yeah he clearly I mean his agenda 174 00:08:41.370 --> 00:08:44.690 in making the film is so complex like I need 175 00:08:44.730 --> 00:08:47.409 to see it again I don't really understand what he 176 00:08:47.429 --> 00:08:50.399 was going for like all Aronofsky movies it completely falls 177 00:08:50.460 --> 00:08:53.600 apart in the middle because he just is unable to 178 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:57.850 like grapple with the concept of, I don't know, a 179 00:08:57.870 --> 00:09:02.629 subdued narrative or subtlety or anything nuanced. So it just 180 00:09:02.669 --> 00:09:03.669 goes off the rails. 181 00:09:03.870 --> 00:09:08.059 How can a biblical epic fall apart in the second act? 182 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:11.539 How does this happen? Usually when something falls apart in 183 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:14.059 the second act, it's because something is drastically wrong with 184 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.169 the first act. But how can something leak? wrong with 185 00:09:17.190 --> 00:09:19.230 the first act in a biblical epic. 186 00:09:18.950 --> 00:09:21.809 Well because the second act was the act where he 187 00:09:21.870 --> 00:09:25.379 created a new character um as. 188 00:09:25.179 --> 00:09:29.059 He added a chapter in the bible yes actually interesting 189 00:09:29.220 --> 00:09:30.340 well the bible's been heavily. 190 00:09:30.139 --> 00:09:33.279 Edited as played by ray winstone um so just imagine 191 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:33.759 where that. 192 00:09:33.659 --> 00:09:41.269 Goes melvin 316 it's gotta be so there's a whale. 193 00:09:42.970 --> 00:09:46.710 As they're out on the boat suddenly starts chasing a whale. 194 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:49.370 Is Sanonovsky a creationist, I'm wondering? 195 00:09:50.370 --> 00:09:51.149 No, and actually. 196 00:09:51.289 --> 00:09:51.809 Are there. 197 00:09:51.690 --> 00:09:52.470 Dinosaurs in this movie? 198 00:09:52.490 --> 00:09:53.669 That was my comment last week. 199 00:09:53.710 --> 00:09:56.269 That was a really interesting part of the movie, is 200 00:09:56.370 --> 00:10:00.169 that he was actually trying to, I think... again, I 201 00:10:00.470 --> 00:10:02.720 don't understand the man's brain and probably don't want to, 202 00:10:02.750 --> 00:10:04.620 but I think that what he was wanting to do 203 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:11.440 was to sort of give creationists a viewpoint that's not oppositional, 204 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:14.860 but that maybe they could sort of work the possibility 205 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:18.340 of evolution into creationism, I think. So he was sort 206 00:10:18.379 --> 00:10:22.259 of baiting this audience to come see the film and 207 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.029 then say, hey, maybe we're all right. Maybe we're both right. 208 00:10:26.090 --> 00:10:27.470 Maybe there's something in between. 209 00:10:27.870 --> 00:10:31.870 I've got news that is not going to happen. I 210 00:10:31.889 --> 00:10:36.789 went through an exhaustive... I wanted to do a documentary 211 00:10:36.860 --> 00:10:40.899 on the creationist movement in America. Oh, interesting. And so 212 00:10:41.100 --> 00:10:44.799 I had just gotten off, which, by the way, PBS, Frontline, 213 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:53.169 April 29th. Self-promotion here. Please watch. Good morning. It's the 214 00:10:54.669 --> 00:10:57.450 Prison Nation, although I think they've changed the title. But anyway, 215 00:10:57.470 --> 00:10:59.559 so it's a film that I shot with Mongoose Pictures. 216 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:02.639 But anyway, right after coming off that, I wanted to 217 00:11:02.700 --> 00:11:05.379 do something else. I wanted to present something else to Frontline. 218 00:11:05.419 --> 00:11:08.580 And so I wanted to do the creationist movement in America. 219 00:11:08.659 --> 00:11:12.809 And they put me through the ringer. Wow. And it 220 00:11:12.850 --> 00:11:16.330 was like a three-month process to get the permission to 221 00:11:16.389 --> 00:11:18.740 shoot in their museum. And I had to go through 222 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:21.860 their PR firm in Dallas, and they called me up 223 00:11:21.899 --> 00:11:26.299 and they said, seven years ago, you donated $ 10 to 224 00:11:26.340 --> 00:11:30.059 a campaign. And I was like, oh my gosh, what 225 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:33.190 is going on here? You don't want to know about 226 00:11:33.230 --> 00:11:34.850 half the things I've done. They have a file on you. 227 00:11:34.870 --> 00:11:36.029 They have a file on me. 228 00:11:36.049 --> 00:11:36.480 It's really scary. 229 00:11:36.500 --> 00:11:37.860 Do you guys have connections with God? 230 00:11:39.340 --> 00:11:42.649 However, they did ultimately give me the permission to do it, 231 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:48.590 to go ahead and interview their... Dinosaurs? They're a talking dinosaur. 232 00:11:48.769 --> 00:11:50.350 Has anybody been? I assume they do. Have you actually 233 00:11:50.370 --> 00:11:52.269 been there? I have not been there yet. I want 234 00:11:52.309 --> 00:11:53.730 to go. I really want to go. And then all 235 00:11:53.750 --> 00:11:55.730 this Bill Nye business got in the way. Yeah, right. 236 00:11:55.929 --> 00:11:57.529 And so I was kind of, you know, I'm just 237 00:11:57.570 --> 00:12:00.529 a schmuck trying to make a documentary. So they kind 238

00:12:00.549 --> 00:12:01.389 of pushed me to the side. 239 00:12:01.409 --> 00:12:03.529 That seems like you've got your lead in for the 240 00:12:03.870 --> 00:12:05.500 guy doing the commentary. 241 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:08.820 You know, I was really hoping. Bill Nye, get out 242 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:09.039 of here. 243 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:09.200 Yeah. 244 00:12:11.190 --> 00:12:13.389 I wanted to dig deep into those financial records and 245 00:12:13.429 --> 00:12:18.110 see where they're getting all their cash. Interesting. But they're 246 00:12:18.129 --> 00:12:23.230 an interesting group, and they really believe that the book 247 00:12:23.269 --> 00:12:28.789 of Genesis is a historical novel. They truly believe this. 248 00:12:28.850 --> 00:12:33.370 And so while I think they're absolutely insane, I 100% agree. 249 00:12:36.450 --> 00:12:38.950 respect their conviction. I really do. 250 00:12:39.070 --> 00:12:40.549 I hope they don't hear this podcast. 251 00:12:40.809 --> 00:12:43.730 Well, they know I think they're insane. However, you know, 252 00:12:43.769 --> 00:12:46.580 as a documentarian, you have to be unbiased. You have 253 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.379 to be a journalist. As impartial as you can. As 254 00:12:48.419 --> 00:12:51.899 impartial as you can. It's tough sometimes, but it is possible. 255 00:12:52.500 --> 00:12:54.899 That was my question last week when I was talking 256 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:59.000 about Noah. I don't know what his agenda was as 257 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:01.789 a filmmaker. Even if he's not even the artist end 258 00:13:01.830 --> 00:13:03.370 of it, but the like, How are you going to 259 00:13:03.649 --> 00:13:07.379 market this? Like, are you going for the hardcore biblical group? 260 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:08.919 Because that's usually the only people that come out and 261 00:13:08.940 --> 00:13:11.299 support stuff like that. You're going for that Passion of 262 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:14.940 the Christ crowd. But I don't assume that he is that. 263 00:13:15.059 --> 00:13:17.019 So I'm not like, where are you going? Like, how 264 00:13:17.059 --> 00:13:19.559 are you going to come out ahead in this process? 265 00:13:19.620 --> 00:13:20.500 Or does he just not care? 266 00:13:20.850 --> 00:13:22.690 Yeah, well, I mean, it's a straight up, it's an 267 00:13:22.789 --> 00:13:25.159 action film is what it is. And it's actually sort of, 268 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:27.320 I mean, it's sort of tense and exciting. And I 269 00:13:27.340 --> 00:13:29.419 was actually sort of on board for a lot of 270 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:31.039 it until it just totally went off the rails. 271 00:13:31.059 --> 00:13:32.299 On board. 272 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:34.039 Wow. 273 00:13:34.779 --> 00:13:40.409 Coffee's kicking in. But, you know, I do think that 274 00:13:40.509 --> 00:13:43.330 he was, I think that was his agenda, to sort 275 00:13:43.389 --> 00:13:46.909 of mask this alternate viewpoint that he was trying to present. 276 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.610 within something that would seem sort of palatable and exciting 277 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:52.490 to that market. 278 00:13:52.830 --> 00:13:56.350 We have Gladiator and the animals. It starts making them fight. 279 00:13:56.269 --> 00:13:56.710 In the boat. 280 00:13:56.750 --> 00:13:58.840 But it is fun because certain animals don't make it, 281 00:13:58.909 --> 00:14:02.190 and they're all awesome looking. So that was fun. 282 00:14:02.250 --> 00:14:03.909 Unicorns and dragons got screwed over. 283 00:14:03.950 --> 00:14:05.990 It seems like it would have been a really fun 284 00:14:06.029 --> 00:14:06.889 movie to make. 285 00:14:09.350 --> 00:14:11.570 This never comes out of my mouth because I'm not 286 00:14:11.610 --> 00:14:15.889 a sucker for effects. But I wanted to see that 287 00:14:15.950 --> 00:14:18.470 movie just purely because of the effects. I think it 288 00:14:18.509 --> 00:14:20.250 would be just a hell of a ride, a great 289 00:14:20.289 --> 00:14:21.389 way to spend a couple of hours. 290 00:14:21.649 --> 00:14:24.450 Well, and since his movies aren't, to this point, have 291 00:14:24.490 --> 00:14:27.190 relied on... Well, I haven't seen The Fountain, but I've seen... 292 00:14:26.909 --> 00:14:29.919 I think I've seen everything else. But I know the... 293 00:14:29.740 --> 00:14:32.919 I think The Fountain is kind of effects heavy. But otherwise, 294 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.460 his stuff isn't. So that's why I was surprised that 295 00:14:35.500 --> 00:14:36.919 he was doing this. Such an epic. 296 00:14:37.730 --> 00:14:40.009 Yeah, that's why it seemed like such a weird direction 297 00:14:40.070 --> 00:14:41.470 for him. I was like, I don't know what he's 298 00:14:41.669 --> 00:14:43.759 doing here. I assume he's got a plan. He doesn't 299 00:14:43.779 --> 00:14:45.840 seem like somebody who just half-asses things. 300 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:49.539 So has he stated what his stance is with the 301 00:14:49.580 --> 00:14:53.799 whole thing? That's, to me, the most intriguing subtext of it. 302 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:55.039 I don't really feel. 303 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.659 Like it was marketed very well, or if at all. 304 00:14:57.730 --> 00:14:59.110 I feel like I just heard about it maybe a 305 00:14:59.129 --> 00:15:00.710 week and a half ago, and it was just at 306 00:15:00.750 --> 00:15:01.970 the theater randomly. 307 00:15:01.990 --> 00:15:05.690 I remember us talking about it like, several years ago 308 00:15:05.710 --> 00:15:08.120 when they first announced that he'd signed on to do 309 00:15:08.220 --> 00:15:10.500 it and then i really haven't heard anything since then. 310 00:15:10.379 --> 00:15:13.179 Yeah just usually an epic blockbuster like that you get 311 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.200 beat to death with it before it shows up it's 312 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:17.700 strange it also. 313 00:15:17.539 --> 00:15:21.340 Got special timing in the year

oh yeah this is 314 00:15:21.379 --> 00:15:24.519 not really oscar season for him so i don't know 315 00:15:24.539 --> 00:15:26.779 if that means the studio has absolutely no faith in 316 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:27.580 it but. 317 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.399 But it is easter season yes maybe they were planning. 318 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:32.379 That's what i thought you were implying yeah. 319 00:15:32.789 --> 00:15:36.370 Yeah, I think that the most promotion was done by 320 00:15:36.389 --> 00:15:39.110 the people who were boycotting it. I mean, that's how 321 00:15:39.210 --> 00:15:39.610 I heard it. 322 00:15:39.669 --> 00:15:41.909 Well, that's what happened with Passion of the Christ. I mean, 323 00:15:41.929 --> 00:15:44.330 that was the only reason that film succeeded. 324 00:15:44.750 --> 00:15:48.250 Who was primarily boycotting animals? 325 00:15:48.289 --> 00:15:48.710 People who. 326 00:15:49.330 --> 00:15:53.250 Animals with picket signs. It was the cutest thing, really. 327 00:15:53.269 --> 00:15:54.070 People who love the Bible. 328 00:15:55.049 --> 00:15:56.269 Okay, so the Bible. 329 00:15:56.289 --> 00:16:00.429 Because I guess they heard that it didn't stick strictly 330 00:16:00.549 --> 00:16:02.429 to the historical document. 331 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:04.279 Which version of the Bible are we talking about here? 332 00:16:04.299 --> 00:16:05.860 It's the one. 333 00:16:05.820 --> 00:16:09.059 You find in hotels. So it was hotel managers that 334 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:10.700 were picketing most of it. 335 00:16:11.179 --> 00:16:11.559 The Gideons. 336 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:13.279 The Gideons, yeah. 337 00:16:13.299 --> 00:16:14.059 Gideon approved. 338 00:16:14.940 --> 00:16:15.379 No, I'm sorry. 339 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:19.490 But it's because it's been such a heavily edited thing. 340 00:16:20.490 --> 00:16:20.870 Well, anyway. 341 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:25.159 Perhaps it was marketed in Pentecostal circles somewhere. 342 00:16:25.179 --> 00:16:28.159 We're just not aware. I'm not sure. Yeah, I think 343 00:16:28.179 --> 00:16:31.850 that the Christian community got really excited. Like, we have 344 00:16:31.870 --> 00:16:33.429 this Jesus movie, and now there's going to be a 345 00:16:33.450 --> 00:16:35.210 Noah movie. And then somebody was like, you know the 346 00:16:35.250 --> 00:16:37.769 Noah movie was made by an atheist, right? And then 347 00:16:37.809 --> 00:16:40.259 they were all like, no! And then they all sort 348 00:16:40.299 --> 00:16:41.000 of took to the streets. 349 00:16:41.990 --> 00:16:42.710 I think that's how it went down. 350 00:16:42.750 --> 00:16:44.950 I think they did a lot of audio advertising, but 351 00:16:44.970 --> 00:16:48.230 it was all spoken in tongues, so good luck with that. 352 00:16:48.250 --> 00:16:49.740 Well, the Golden Compass, do you remember when that? 353 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:50.360 Oh, yeah. 354 00:16:50.379 --> 00:16:51.940 The books were fantastic. They got in a lot

of trouble, too. 355 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:56.200 Yeah, but then that whole thing is like, oh, he's whatever, yeah. 356 00:16:56.740 --> 00:16:59.240 But they didn't make the second and third, and probably 357 00:16:59.259 --> 00:17:03.019 that might have been part of it. It was actually 358 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:06.990 pretty good, but yeah. 359 00:17:07.450 --> 00:17:07.769 All right. 360 00:17:07.789 --> 00:17:10.890 Do we want to get away from God? Let's take 361 00:17:10.930 --> 00:17:12.730 our break, and then we'll come back and get into 362 00:17:12.750 --> 00:17:16.099 this week's other topic, which I don't think is God-related 363 00:17:16.220 --> 00:17:16.450 at all. 364 00:17:30.900 --> 00:17:38.079 This is a reproduction of one of Michelangelo's greatest works. 365 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.839 If you will be patient with me, I'd like to 366 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:10.920 talk to you about this wonderful soul that Michelangelo caught 367 00:18:10.940 --> 00:18:16.660 so magnificently in marble. For centuries, people have been puzzled 368 00:18:16.730 --> 00:18:21.690 by these horns. Well, in the original book of Exodus, 369 00:18:22.730 --> 00:18:27.369 the Hebrew text tells us that when Moses came down 370 00:18:27.430 --> 00:18:32.869 from the mount, Charon came from his head. Karen is 371 00:18:32.930 --> 00:18:36.720 the Hebrew word for horn, but it also is the 372 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:42.859 Hebrew word for rays of light. Later artists, like Doré, 373 00:18:43.539 --> 00:18:47.589 show Moses with rays of light coming from his head. 374 00:18:48.849 --> 00:18:53.089 Here is a photograph of the original statue in Rome. 375 00:18:54.869 --> 00:18:58.349 Notice the likeness to Charlton Heston, who plays Moses in 376 00:18:58.390 --> 00:19:03.630 the Ten Commandments. These very tablets were actually carved from 377 00:19:03.670 --> 00:19:08.740 the red granite of the holy mountain itself. The Bible 378 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:12.759 omits the first 30 years or so that brought Moses 379 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:17.819 to manhood. To fill in those missing years, we turn 380 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:23.470 to ancient historians, such as Philo and Josephus. These historians 381 00:19:23.869 --> 00:19:28.390 had access to documents long since destroyed, or perhaps lost. 382 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:33.599 like the Dead Sea Scrolls. To film the Ten Commandments, 383 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:39.130 we rolled our cameras on the very ground that Moses walked, 384 00:19:39.410 --> 00:19:43.329 here from the land of Goshen, across the Red Sea, 385 00:19:44.069 --> 00:19:48.869 down through the deserts of Shur and Sin, to Mount Sinai, 386 00:19:48.890 --> 00:19:53.759 the Holy Land. place of God. Moses' life is one 387 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:57.119 of the greatest adventure stories ever put between the covers 388 00:19:57.180 --> 00:19:57.660 of a book. 389 00:19:58.660 --> 00:20:08.460 ¶ ¶ ¶ He was the wizard of a thousand. 390 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:11.539 Kings ¶ ¶ And I chance to meet him one 391 00:20:11.660 --> 00:20:14.319 night wandering. 392 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:18.140 So as I said, we've been to the Chicago Wizard 393 00:20:18.180 --> 00:20:21.549 World before, so they've got quite a few. Since we're 394 00:20:21.569 --> 00:20:22.150 hanging out here. 395 00:20:22.170 --> 00:20:22.519 They've got a lot. 396 00:20:22.529 --> 00:20:23.430 They're all over the country. 397 00:20:23.450 --> 00:20:24.309 That's what I was going to say. 398 00:20:24.349 --> 00:20:27.680 Since they're inviting us to hang around here, I thought 399 00:20:27.700 --> 00:20:30.380 we would go ahead and give the rundown. That's the 400 00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:32.599 difference with this one is it's not just in one city. 401 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:35.660 It's something they've done kind of everywhere now. They've sort 402 00:20:35.700 --> 00:20:39.329 of taken over. So you can go to wizardworld.com and 403 00:20:39.390 --> 00:20:41.809 find out where they are in the near future. The 404 00:20:41.849 --> 00:20:43.309 rundown of the upcoming ones. 405 00:20:44.349 --> 00:20:44.529 St. 406 00:20:44.569 --> 00:20:48.200 Louis will be in April. Minneapolis in May. End of 407 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.740 May into June is Atlanta. You've got Philadelphia after that, 408 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:55.400 San Antonio, back to Chicago, Richmond. So it's like anywhere 409 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:58.460 in this general part of the country, you know, the 410 00:20:58.480 --> 00:20:59.000 United States. 411 00:20:59.180 --> 00:21:01.059 Are you stopping at Richmond because we've got more to go? 412 00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:03.019 Oh, there's plenty. That's what I'm saying. 413 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:07.700 Nashville, Austin, Ohio. I thought Ohio was just generalized. 414 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:08.440 You know, that state. 415 00:21:08.980 --> 00:21:11.529 But anyway, yes, you can go to wizardworld.com and find 416 00:21:11.589 --> 00:21:13.230 out where the next show will be near you. 417 00:21:13.589 --> 00:21:14.369 You should definitely go. 418 00:21:14.910 --> 00:21:16.089 Come hang out. 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And what kind of podcast 439 00:22:42.690 --> 00:22:42.990 is this? 440 00:22:43.630 --> 00:22:46.529 Movie related. You can tell harrowing tales of the film 441 00:22:46.569 --> 00:22:47.309 industry if you'd like. 442 00:22:48.009 --> 00:22:50.829 Harrowing tales of the film industry. We don't have time, man. 443 00:22:50.849 --> 00:22:52.390 We don't have time. I'm on a mission. 444 00:22:53.750 --> 00:22:54.890 You can do a little promo if you want. 445 00:22:55.349 --> 00:22:58.170 Hi, this is Robert Carradine. That's my name. I'm listening 446 00:22:58.190 --> 00:23:00.839 to Movie Meltdown. I'm not actually listening to it because 447 00:23:00.900 --> 00:23:04.039 I'm making the recording that you're listening to, which is 448 00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:05.460 almost live, except it isn't. 449 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:08.069 You can be listening to it. 450 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:09.920 I could be listening to it, but I'll just have 451 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:11.839 to wait until I find it on the Internet. 452 00:23:11.859 --> 00:23:13.960 That's available. 453 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:19.460 I'm sure it is. Go to www.moviemeltdown.com. 454 00:23:19.619 --> 00:23:21.730 All right, guys. 455 00:23:21.750 --> 00:23:22.109 Thank you. 456 00:23:22.130 --> 00:23:22.329 Thank you. 457 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:28.460 It's part of your problem, you know. 458 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:29.680 You haven't seen enough movies. 459 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:33.950 All of life's riddles are answered in the movies. 460 00:23:34.109 --> 00:23:35.269 And now, on with the show. 461 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:06.539 Alright, we are back and it is time for The Grind. 462 00:24:20.829 --> 00:24:23.930 In this segment we discuss a specific topic or question 463 00:24:23.990 --> 00:24:27.589 related to movies and this week our question and or 464 00:24:27.609 --> 00:24:30.650 topic comes from Lucy and she's been sitting on it 465 00:24:30.690 --> 00:24:34.579 for almost a year now. We mentioned sort of this 466 00:24:34.660 --> 00:24:37.400 topic in passing a long time ago as we sat 467 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.529 outside at the flea market. And even then I could 468 00:24:40.589 --> 00:24:43.950 see her just like just raring to go to attack 469 00:24:44.029 --> 00:24:47.650 certain celebrity children. We'll get to those in a minute. 470 00:24:47.750 --> 00:24:52.069 But yeah, so we're supposed to talk about Hollywood dynasties. 471 00:24:52.430 --> 00:24:56.769 And I guess just the general overall families that keep 472 00:24:56.809 --> 00:25:01.079 working within the business. Or some maybe does the kid 473 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:01.569 measure up. 474 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:01.950 To the parents? 475 00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:04.690 So, however you would like to go about this. Do 476 00:25:04.710 --> 00:25:06.230 you want to start with the main one, Lucy? 477 00:25:06.589 --> 00:25:10.990 No, I feel badly now. Like, really, this wasn't orchestrated 478 00:25:11.069 --> 00:25:12.329 as an involved attack. 479 00:25:12.410 --> 00:25:16.309 It's been building up forever. Go ahead. Get into it. 480 00:25:17.289 --> 00:25:18.150 Take the gloves off. 481 00:25:18.170 --> 00:25:18.549 Let's go. 482 00:25:19.529 --> 00:25:21.890 No, I was hoping, like, I didn't think you would 483 00:25:21.930 --> 00:25:25.960 unveil my strategy. You did, a year ago. At the 484 00:25:26.059 --> 00:25:28.339 offset of the show. I thought we could build to that, 485 00:25:28.380 --> 00:25:30.579 and then maybe at some point it would come up. 486 00:25:31.130 --> 00:25:32.369 Do you want me to just start making fun of 487 00:25:32.430 --> 00:25:34.630 Xanadu or whatever her name is? I kept getting it 488 00:25:34.670 --> 00:25:35.470 wrong last time. 489 00:25:35.490 --> 00:25:37.279 I still haven't seen her films because I think it 490 00:25:37.299 --> 00:25:40.039 would be too hurtful to me if they are of 491 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:42.359 quality similar to those of her brother. 492 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:46.039 Again, visually, I think she has talent. I think it 493 00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:50.079 looks good. I think it was mostly the storytelling parts 494 00:25:50.140 --> 00:25:53.789 that I had major issues with. So, yeah, I think 495 00:25:53.849 --> 00:25:57.069 she has more problems with structuring the movie than the 496 00:25:57.150 --> 00:25:59.250 actual visual direction. 497 00:25:59.509 --> 00:25:59.730 Fair enough. 498 00:26:00.309 --> 00:26:02.069 That's all I have on her. I've seen that one 499 00:26:02.109 --> 00:26:02.710 movie of hers. 500 00:26:02.970 --> 00:26:04.509 Which is highly influenced by the DP. 501 00:26:04.589 --> 00:26:07.109 I was about to say, since we have a DP 502 00:26:07.150 --> 00:26:07.569 in the room. 503 00:26:08.210 --> 00:26:09.029 I wasn't blaming him. 504 00:26:09.349 --> 00:26:12.890 Sorry, Xanadu. That's not a name. What is it? 505 00:26:13.059 --> 00:26:13.859 I think it's Xan. 506 00:26:14.299 --> 00:26:14.880 Alexandra. 507 00:26:15.500 -->

00:26:18.839 They were excellent kid actors in the Nick Cassavetes films. Anyway, 508 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.400 for those playing at home, Nick Cassavetes is the offspring 509 00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:26.259 of John Cassavetes and Jenna Rollins, who, by birthright, should 510 00:26:26.299 --> 00:26:29.789 be a perfect human being. and instead has made films 511 00:26:29.809 --> 00:26:30.509 like The Notebook. 512 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:32.880 That's all. 513 00:26:32.930 --> 00:26:34.759 I don't even think I have to say anything beyond that. 514 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.299 You can't see me. I'm yawning right now. 515 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:38.579 Just thinking about The Notebook. 516 00:26:38.660 --> 00:26:40.779 Just thinking about The Notebook. 517 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:46.279 I see Notebook you're down. So, any of his other 518 00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:49.019 films you're not a fan of? I mean, that one 519 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:50.359 kind of takes the cake. 520 00:26:50.539 --> 00:26:53.200 Did you do the one with Halle Berry and the 521 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:54.289 911 thing? 522 00:26:56.170 --> 00:26:58.799 Oh, The Call? That's not him. We talked about that 523 00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:00.099 same episode. 524 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.519 Well, that's an episode I listened to. Maybe he came 525 00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:03.240 up in that episode. 526 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:03.819 He did. 527 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.079 No, that was, what's his name that did Happy Accidents, 528 00:27:07.099 --> 00:27:09.470 which was a great film. I'm forgetting his name right now. 529 00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:10.220 Happy Accidents or Happy Endings? 530 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:14.539 Happy Accidents. Happy Accidents is, and I don't know what 531 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.559 I like. I feel like now we're just launched. 532 00:27:16.579 --> 00:27:17.960 We're just spiraling at this point. 533 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.319 I don't think he's related to anyone else. 534 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.380 But everybody at home should watch Happy Accidents. It stars 535 00:27:23.420 --> 00:27:26.460 Marissa Tomei and Vincent D'Onofrio. And it is the most 536 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:30.740 delightful romantic comedy, and I'm not generally a fan of 537 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.880 that genre. But it's a time travel movie, or maybe 538 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:34.359 it's not. 539 00:27:35.019 --> 00:27:36.500 Another one of those. 540 00:27:36.619 --> 00:27:36.829 Yeah. 541 00:27:38.009 --> 00:27:38.470 All right, then. 542 00:27:38.750 --> 00:27:41.890 If you've said your piece on the Cassavetes offspring. If 543 00:27:41.910 --> 00:27:42.730 I've said my piece. 544 00:27:42.750 --> 00:27:45.390 If I'm on the record. It just hurts, that's all. 545 00:27:46.390 --> 00:27:48.750 For anyone who didn't hear it last time, she's kind 546 00:27:48.789 --> 00:27:49.670 of a fan of John. 547 00:27:50.309 --> 00:27:53.759 And Jenna. And their perfect love. 548 00:27:54.670 -->

00:27:56.259 And all their friends that used to hang out and 549 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.119 make movies. And somehow they made these demon spawn children. 550 00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:02.140 It just doesn't make sense. I mean, I would be 551 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.660 fine if you were a terrible person but a great filmmaker. 552 00:28:06.140 --> 00:28:09.130 I like that criteria. 553 00:28:09.170 --> 00:28:14.849 I fit that. No, wait, no, no. Terrible filmmaker, great, no, 554 00:28:14.930 --> 00:28:15.369 wait a minute. 555 00:28:15.410 --> 00:28:16.410 I don't know about either. 556 00:28:16.430 --> 00:28:18.809 I don't know. Let me rethink it. I'll get back 557 00:28:18.849 --> 00:28:19.049 to you. 558 00:28:20.029 --> 00:28:21.930 I think we all have to make that decision for ourselves. 559 00:28:25.299 --> 00:28:27.440 Although he did make a film called Alpha Dog, which 560 00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:29.569 does have Harry Dean Stanton in it. So I guess 561 00:28:29.589 --> 00:28:30.440 he's done one thing right. 562 00:28:30.589 --> 00:28:31.670 Isn't JT in there, too? 563 00:28:31.950 --> 00:28:33.430 He is, and not terrible. 564 00:28:33.470 --> 00:28:36.230 So there's the crossover. When we're playing the Harry Dean 565 00:28:36.250 --> 00:28:38.450 Stanton game, which we're going to make that. Forget this 566 00:28:38.470 --> 00:28:41.190 Kevin Bacon, right? We can connect Harry Dean Stanton to everybody. 567 00:28:41.210 --> 00:28:43.150 It's much more efficient. You've got one move to JT. 568 00:28:46.539 --> 00:28:48.900 All right, do we want to pick some other families? 569 00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:51.460 Oh, I definitely have one. 570 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:53.660 I'm really excited about this. There's been a teaser. 571 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.170 Okay, I have several... I have several categories here, but 572 00:28:57.569 --> 00:29:00.210 we'll first get into the ones that annoy me. And 573 00:29:01.990 --> 00:29:05.490 this may not be a popular family with all of you, 574 00:29:05.529 --> 00:29:06.089 but the Coppolas. 575 00:29:06.150 --> 00:29:08.029 Oh, I love the Coppola discussion. 576 00:29:08.069 --> 00:29:12.549 Really just bugged the crap out of me. And it's 577 00:29:12.769 --> 00:29:19.720 not necessarily because they lack talent. Lost in Translation, I thought, 578 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:23.220 was a Sofia Coppola film, was a decent film. 579 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:24.619 Again, great DP there. 580 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:30.029 Great DP, great actor. You can't go wrong with Bill Murray. However, 581 00:29:30.089 --> 00:29:33.349 what I do have the issue with, and this is 582 00:29:33.369 --> 00:29:38.890 across the board with Hollywood families, is bypassing the system 583 00:29:39.430 --> 00:29:43.759 to get to jump into the director's seat. And my partner, 584 00:29:44.019 --> 00:29:47.039 Archie Borders, always says it's not enough to make a movie. 585 00:29:47.099 --> 00:29:50.799 You have to make a good movie. And I think 586 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:54.779 that the good part is often overlooked with these dynasties. 587 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:58.559 And Sofia Coppola is a perfect example of that. But 588 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:03.549 she has this is access to all these people. That's 589 00:30:03.569 --> 00:30:07.150 the key word, I think. She surrounds herself with people 590 00:30:07.170 --> 00:30:08.950 who know what they're doing. Now, a good producer will 591 00:30:08.970 --> 00:30:13.190 do that, but they'll admit to doing that. I oftentimes 592 00:30:13.230 --> 00:30:15.930 hire people that are ten times smarter than I am 593 00:30:15.990 --> 00:30:17.750 to go do the jobs that they do very well. 594 00:30:18.289 --> 00:30:22.230 It is just smart filmmaking from your standpoint, from her standpoint. 595 00:30:22.269 --> 00:30:25.509 I understand why she does what she does. But again, 596 00:30:25.549 --> 00:30:27.009 you can kind of call her out. I think it's 597 00:30:27.029 --> 00:30:29.490 just one of those, she is in that position and 598 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.599 she's the only one in that position. So it's like, 599 00:30:33.380 --> 00:30:35.559 either cash in on it or, you know, you gotta 600 00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:37.779 go get a real job. So, I mean, I don't 601 00:30:38.220 --> 00:30:41.519 blame her, but I definitely am kind of on your side. 602 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.829 And it's also the built-in attention you're going to get. Like, 603 00:30:44.890 --> 00:30:47.549 all the accolades that are... It's almost they're there waiting 604 00:30:47.609 --> 00:30:49.630 for you before the movie's even finished. Because what's the 605 00:30:49.650 --> 00:30:52.509 version Suicides Are First? Yeah. Boston Translation is the only 606 00:30:52.569 --> 00:30:53.410 one I've actually seen. 607 00:30:54.450 --> 00:30:58.490 And it's... Virgin Suicide was not, in my opinion, not 608 00:30:58.509 --> 00:31:02.369 a good film. I mean, it was this freshman effort 609 00:31:02.430 --> 00:31:07.200 which was, you know, which was given 100 times more 610 00:31:07.299 --> 00:31:10.380 attention than it should have ever been given. But she 611 00:31:10.420 --> 00:31:12.740 cast it well. That's the thing. She cast it. 612 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:14.519 And the soundtrack. I know the effort. I've had the 613 00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:16.440 soundtrack for years. And the soundtrack is great. 614 00:31:16.460 --> 00:31:18.079 So she does things well, but I think she does 615 00:31:18.099 --> 00:31:22.509 things well by committee. So she should not be in 616 00:31:22.670 --> 00:31:23.210 the director's chair. 617 00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:26.279 She's somebody that I hate watching the same way that 618 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:28.700 I hate watching Aronofsky. I've seen every single one of 619 00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:31.519 her movies. I see them on opening night, generally, and 620 00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:35.150 I cannot stand her. But I watch them because I 621

00:31:35.170 --> 00:31:38.369 feel like they're becoming increasingly... Her entire oeuvre is one 622 00:31:38.450 --> 00:31:41.750 of privilege, and it's one of movies about people who 623 00:31:41.809 --> 00:31:46.329 we're supposed to somehow empathize or pity because they are. 624 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.529 Stuck at a five-star Tokyo hotel, or they're a beautiful 625 00:31:51.569 --> 00:31:56.089 blonde in the suburbs, or they're the queen of France. 626 00:31:56.410 --> 00:32:00.180 I've always had a soft spot for her, the queen 627 00:32:00.220 --> 00:32:02.920 of France. But they're tortured internally, and that's what we're 628 00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:07.440 supposed to connect with. And that's complete bullshit. I can't 629 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:08.039 connect with that. 630 00:32:08.059 --> 00:32:11.009 I will say, though, that I do find something delightful 631 00:32:11.049 --> 00:32:12.569 about her. And I guess this sort of brings in, 632 00:32:12.710 --> 00:32:14.490 had she ever had a child with Spike Jonze, that 633 00:32:14.509 --> 00:32:16.750 would have been interesting to see what happened to that kid. 634 00:32:17.509 --> 00:32:20.450 But I felt like her was very much Spike's movie 635 00:32:20.490 --> 00:32:24.009 about their relationship. And obviously, Lost in Translation, she's pretty 636 00:32:24.029 --> 00:32:26.170 much said, was very much her relationship with Spike. 637 00:32:26.190 --> 00:32:26.390 Yeah. 638 00:32:26.730 --> 00:32:30.460 It's like they're having the most public... It's like a cinema... 639 00:32:30.059 --> 00:32:33.019 Those songs, those callback songs from the 50s were like... 640 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.259 I feel like that's what's happening. And it's sort of 641 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:39.240 interesting to watch something that personal happen on that public level. 642 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:43.220 And what's interesting about her is that... I haven't seen it, but... 643 00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:45.660 What's her name? I'm blanking her name. 644 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:46.380 Who did the voice? 645 00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:48.099 Scarlett? 646 00:32:48.140 --> 00:32:50.950 Yeah, originally it was Samantha Morton or. 647 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:51.900 Yeah, that's what I heard. 648 00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:54.660 Did the whole thing. And so that adds even more 649 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:57.480 to that, that she... They recast her voice as the 650 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.940 final one since she's in it. Yeah, I don't know. 651 00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:02.960 Maybe it's just incidental. 652 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.579 If you go deeper into the Coppola clan. 653 00:33:06.619 --> 00:33:07.849 There are several levels. 654 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.569 There are several levels. The deep tracks. The deep tracks 655 00:33:10.589 --> 00:33:12.130 of the Coppola clan, Talia Shire. 656 00:33:12.150 --> 00:33:12.789 Hidden tracks. 657 00:33:13.150 --> 00:33:13.410 Right? 658 00:33:13.970 --> 00:33:14.890 Jason Schwartzman. 659 00:33:14.910 --> 00:33:15.430 True. 660 00:33:16.150 --> 00:33:20.450 Who actually I enjoy watching. I think he's fun. Talia Shire, 661 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.680 I've never gotten her. I've never, you know. 662 00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:25.799 Again, just latching on to a good situation. 663 00:33:25.859 --> 00:33:26.339 Wow. 664 00:33:28.099 --> 00:33:30.319 I'm not a perfect human being. I would probably do 665 00:33:30.380 --> 00:33:33.660 the same thing. I'm not faulting them for doing what 666 00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:34.940 they do. That's kind of my. 667 00:33:34.900 --> 00:33:37.609 Thing with Sophia, too. I would hop in Dad's. 668 00:33:37.289 --> 00:33:40.450 Car the second he opened the door. I would definitely 669 00:33:40.509 --> 00:33:43.609 do that. But the fact that I'm not doing it 670 00:33:43.650 --> 00:33:44.769 and they aren't makes me bitter. 671 00:33:45.029 --> 00:33:47.690 Because you, as you mentioned, fought through all those years 672 00:33:47.750 --> 00:33:50.230 and PA jobs and all that crap along the way. 673 00:33:50.269 --> 00:33:51.269 You have reason to be bitter. 674 00:33:51.289 --> 00:33:51.799 Absolutely. 675 00:33:51.819 --> 00:33:54.900 So I certainly get your perspective. But, again, if I'm Sophia, 676 00:33:55.180 --> 00:33:55.579 I would get. 677 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:57.559 Right on board with that. Sophia Coppola has never stood 678 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.619 in knee-deep mud holding a reflector while a copperhead ran 679 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.400 through her legs. She has never done that, and I have. 680 00:34:04.930 --> 00:34:09.670 But we're all going that direction. I don't know. I 681 00:34:09.710 --> 00:34:11.449 kind of want to pose this. What are your thoughts 682 00:34:11.530 --> 00:34:17.710 on Francis in recent years? because i've just watched was 683 00:34:17.769 --> 00:34:21.510 it twigs or whatever yeah he's he's and again maybe 684 00:34:21.570 --> 00:34:23.639 it's one of those he became more passionate about making 685 00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:26.639 wine than he did about making films because that last 686 00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:30.179 one i don't know i feel like he's kind of 687 00:34:30.219 --> 00:34:34.219 working backwards as a filmmaker he's like it seemed like 688 00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:36.280 right out of the gate he he started doing these 689 00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:38.739 well again once he started you know getting to the 690 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:40.920 point he's doing the godfather and stuff like that he's 691 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.369 doing like these well polished, well orchestrated pieces that seem 692 00:34:45.389 --> 00:34:47.429 like it would take you much longer than his early 693 00:34:47.469 --> 00:34:50.010 Roger Corman days to get, you know, he pretty quickly 694 00:34:50.070 --> 00:34:52.900 jumps to that, you know, within a few years. And 695 00:34:52.940 --> 00:34:55.000 now you look at him and I swear now watching 696

00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:59.099 that last one, it feels like he's like a freshman filmmaker. 697 00:34:59.139 --> 00:35:03.230 It feels like he's just going with all gut and, and, 698 00:35:03.389 --> 00:35:05.170 you know, he's trying to put his heart on the screen, 699 00:35:05.230 --> 00:35:08.639 but it loses all structure. It loses everything. the basics 700 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.039 of filmmaking and storytelling. And like, so again, it has 701 00:35:12.099 --> 00:35:14.519 that thing like, here, I made this. It has this 702 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:16.760 little kid feeling of, look how cool this part is. 703 00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:19.760 But like, you lose all the, what should be a 704 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.400 polished filmmaker should know how to do all this by now. 705 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.360 And I feel like he's lost that over the years. 706 00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:27.739 He may not have lost it, but I think he's 707 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:28.739 gotten very lazy. 708 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.909 I think he just doesn't care. Like, as far as 709 00:35:32.550 --> 00:35:34.710 interviews with him on that, it was like, he's just like, 710 00:35:35.059 --> 00:35:36.159 You know, this is what I wanted to do. I 711 00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.159 don't care. Like, he's got that, like, I can do 712 00:35:38.179 --> 00:35:41.420 whatever I want system in play now. And, like, so 713 00:35:41.460 --> 00:35:44.019 now he... When nobody's telling you no, it's what most 714 00:35:44.059 --> 00:35:46.420 big filmmakers get to. You make whatever the hell you want, 715 00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:47.280 even if it's terrible. 716 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:50.219 See, I don't... He could do anything and people would 717 00:35:50.260 --> 00:35:52.260 still worship him. It doesn't matter at this point. 718 00:35:52.780 --> 00:35:54.710 But that's probably based on his early work, too. 719 00:35:54.750 --> 00:35:55.250 Yeah. 720 00:35:55.309 --> 00:35:57.610 It's kind of like... Well, anyway, yeah. 721 00:35:57.989 --> 00:36:00.150 Yeah, I don't think that the films that he's made 722 00:36:00.329 --> 00:36:03.250 recently are successes by any stretch of the imagination. But 723 00:36:03.329 --> 00:36:07.239 I do... respect the choice to sort of go in 724 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.449 that sort of really weird art house direction. I mean, 725 00:36:10.929 --> 00:36:12.929 that's kind of what Nicholas Ray did and what John 726 00:36:12.949 --> 00:36:14.730 Houston did and which I love about both of those 727 00:36:14.769 --> 00:36:16.570 directors is that they started out in the studio system. 728 00:36:16.590 --> 00:36:19.539 They're making these like very, these great, but still sort of, 729 00:36:19.570 --> 00:36:21.929 you know, by the book sort of films. And then 730 00:36:22.230 --> 00:36:24.570 as they got older, they just got weird as hell. 731 00:36:25.409 --> 00:36:26.730 And that was the thing watching that. I was like, 732 00:36:26.769 --> 00:36:30.110 I totally respect him for making it. Like I, and I, again, 733 00:36:30.150 --> 00:36:34.440 there's so much visually there. But it's like, why? If 734 00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:36.280 it were a different filmmaker, I'd be like, oh, this 735 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:37.320 guy just doesn't know how to. 736 00:36:37.340 --> 00:36:38.500 But I'm like, I know you can. 737 00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:40.920 Like, I've seen you do it in the past. You 738 00:36:40.980 --> 00:36:43.739 know how to structure a film and make it work 739 00:36:43.900 --> 00:36:46.980 on so many other levels. And it's like, is it 740 00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:49.159 just he doesn't care now? Or is it just, like, 741 00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:51.920 I respect the arthouse way that he's going. He's going 742 00:36:51.940 --> 00:36:55.440 minimal budgets usually. Like, I like what he's doing. I 743 00:36:55.460 --> 00:36:57.639 just wish it was a little more polished. 744 00:36:57.719 --> 00:36:58.840 A little more good. 745 00:36:59.219 --> 00:36:59.960 More gooderer. 746 00:36:59.980 --> 00:37:01.070 A little more gooderer. I. 747 00:37:02.710 --> 00:37:04.590 I think maybe he just has a different vision than 748 00:37:04.630 --> 00:37:05.929 we do. 749 00:37:06.170 --> 00:37:08.760 But even a different vision than the younger version of himself. 750 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.239 He's become a very different filmmaker as the years have 751 00:37:11.260 --> 00:37:12.000 gone on. 752 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.219 I'm trying to recall what are some of the recent. 753 00:37:14.739 --> 00:37:16.860 I can't remember their names because they all have weird names. 754 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:21.780 Twix was that one with Val Kilmer. I haven't seen 755 00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:25.269 that one. That's the one I saw most recently. What 756 00:37:25.289 --> 00:37:27.150 was the one that he was taking on the live 757 00:37:27.210 --> 00:37:30.150 show that he was doing? Because again, I totally respected 758 00:37:30.329 --> 00:37:33.489 the craziness of that. that he was touring around with 759 00:37:33.530 --> 00:37:36.329 that one, and he was actually, this will be interesting 760 00:37:36.369 --> 00:37:39.480 for you as a filmmaker, he had different cuts of 761 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:42.380 the film, and he was doing it as a live performance. 762 00:37:42.420 --> 00:37:45.800 It was almost performance art through film. He had different cuts. 763 00:37:45.980 --> 00:37:49.619 He was reading the audience and putting in a different 764 00:37:49.699 --> 00:37:52.230 cut for how he felt like they were, like, it 765 00:37:52.269 --> 00:37:54.909 really was like a live experience. Wow, I know nothing 766 00:37:54.949 --> 00:37:57.750 about this. That one was awesome, like, as an idea. Again, 767 00:37:57.769 --> 00:37:59.570 I haven't even seen that film, so I don't know 768 00:37:59.610 --> 00:38:02.340 how the Once you edit it and put it on DVD, 769 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.559 it changes that

total experience. But yeah, I don't know. 770 00:38:06.260 --> 00:38:08.489 But that kind of stuff, I totally respect that he's 771 00:38:08.570 --> 00:38:11.449 doing that now as an older filmmaker. But it's just 772 00:38:11.530 --> 00:38:15.210 weird that, again, that's the kind of crazy stuff somebody 773 00:38:15.289 --> 00:38:17.530 in college would be doing. And now he's an old 774 00:38:17.570 --> 00:38:19.969 man that's been making movies his whole life and he decides. 775 00:38:19.989 --> 00:38:22.969 So he just feels like he's reverted to a younger 776 00:38:23.010 --> 00:38:25.760 filmmaker as he's gotten older and maybe just crazier. 777 00:38:26.510 --> 00:38:29.150 And I'm blanking the Coppola thing. But it's not the 778 00:38:29.190 --> 00:38:33.150 last name of the actor that's in... Yes, thank you. 779 00:38:33.190 --> 00:38:34.300 That's what I'm saying. 780 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:35.659 He's the hidden track of this album. 781 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:36.280 Oh, my gosh. 782 00:38:36.940 --> 00:38:38.719 So how do we feel about that? I mean, somebody 783 00:38:38.780 --> 00:38:41.980 who eschews the name. I mean, is that real? Did 784 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:42.500 he really. 785 00:38:42.619 --> 00:38:45.460 I mean, if you're buying that early story, I guess 786 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.480 you have to respect him, right? Because he was doing 787 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:49.469 what Sophia didn't do. He's like, I don't want to 788 00:38:49.489 --> 00:38:51.429 skate by on the name. I want to earn my 789 00:38:51.469 --> 00:38:54.329 way into being an actor or a celebrity or whatever 790 00:38:54.369 --> 00:38:58.070 he planned on being. So... If that were true, whatever 791 00:38:58.150 --> 00:39:00.760 he became, I mean, if that's true, I guess you 792 00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:03.619 would respect him more, right? But again, we don't know, 793 00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:06.079 because very quickly everybody went, oh, you know, he's related 794 00:39:06.139 --> 00:39:06.760 to Coppola. 795 00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:08.519 But if that story was public, and if everyone knew 796 00:39:08.579 --> 00:39:10.239 that he did it, so then it just makes. 797 00:39:10.099 --> 00:39:10.440 It more complex. 798 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:13.500 Is it just him making him seem like he's, yeah. 799 00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:18.840 Well, he had two great films and one mediocre film. 800 00:39:19.420 --> 00:39:22.460 And that was it. That sums up his career. 801 00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:23.300 I can think of one. 802 00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:26.820 Leaving Las Vegas. was an amazing film, I thought. 803 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.360 Yeah. 804 00:39:28.579 --> 00:39:34.019 I thought... Raising Arizona okay there we go his performance 805 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.400 in Raising Arizona his performance in Raising Arizona absolutely he 806 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.800 made that film but that ensemble cast everybody made that 807 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.400 film everybody was great in that film and then I. 808 00:39:43.739 --> 00:39:46.780 And of course the third one Drive Angry 3D Valley 809 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:47.780 Girl sorry. 810 00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:49.920 I apologize. 811 00:39:50.900 --> 00:39:52.280 I figured we were going pretty early. 812 00:39:52.699 --> 00:39:55.940 I would like to nominate Bad Lieutenant 2, Port of Call, 813 00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:57.280 New Orleans, completely unironically. 814 00:39:57.300 --> 00:39:58.130 The Electric Boogaloo? 815 00:39:58.489 --> 00:40:01.230 Bad Lieutenant 2, Electric Boogaloo? 816 00:40:01.250 --> 00:40:03.429 I'm going to see it just on your praise because 817 00:40:03.449 --> 00:40:04.610 I watched the first one recently. 818 00:40:04.630 --> 00:40:07.090 I can't get that time back if I watch it. 819 00:40:07.090 --> 00:40:08.230 I promise. 820 00:40:08.289 --> 00:40:09.710 It's something you want in your life. 821 00:40:09.750 --> 00:40:11.170 Well, it's Herzog, right? 822 00:40:11.190 --> 00:40:12.130 It is Herzog. 823 00:40:12.389 --> 00:40:14.610 That right there is crazy. 824 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:19.110 And then you add extra crazy. I, I, yeah, I 825 00:40:19.150 --> 00:40:20.110 think it's a stunning film. 826 00:40:20.190 --> 00:40:22.250 So it's, it's like, it's a retelling in a way, 827 00:40:22.289 --> 00:40:23.309 but it's also its own. 828 00:40:24.210 --> 00:40:27.730 It has nothing to do with bad Lieutenant, except there 829 00:40:27.809 --> 00:40:30.210 is a Lieutenant in it. Who is that? That is 830 00:40:30.269 --> 00:40:31.329 the only connection. 831 00:40:31.369 --> 00:40:33.769 The first one was able for air, wasn't it? Cause 832 00:40:33.789 --> 00:40:35.489 he was pissed off about that too. 833 00:40:35.530 --> 00:40:39.769 Where did they get the title from then? I, he. 834 00:40:39.130 --> 00:40:42.469 Did not like them not tying it to you. He 835 00:40:42.530 --> 00:40:47.639 was not happy with that title, but, but it's great. It's, 836 00:40:47.980 --> 00:40:48.460 It's great. 837 00:40:48.940 --> 00:40:51.099 And that's all I'm going to say. It's legitimately fantastic. 838 00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:51.400 All right. 839 00:40:51.699 --> 00:40:56.079 I will watch it purely on your recommendation, then. The 840 00:40:56.099 --> 00:40:57.679 Bad Lieutenant 2, The Electric Boogaloo. 841 00:40:57.780 --> 00:40:59.050 Everybody, mark it down. 842 00:40:59.969 --> 00:41:02.389 So I did cheat in IMDb. The other two movies 843 00:41:02.429 --> 00:41:04.750 that I was thinking about were Tetro and Youth Without Youth. 844 00:41:05.050 --> 00:41:08.050 Yeah. Tetro, I heard a lot of that same stuff 845 00:41:08.110 --> 00:41:09.469 about it. It was terrible. 846 00:41:10.250 --> 00:41:12.309 And Youth Without Youth, I actually thought was pretty good. 847 00:41:12.429 --> 00:41:13.550 At least really interesting. 848 00:41:14.210 --> 00:41:16.469 See, but, I mean, he left behind... I mean, if 849 00:41:16.510 --> 00:41:19.920

you go back to, like, jack like during those middle 850 00:41:19.940 --> 00:41:21.400 years i was like what. 851 00:41:21.059 --> 00:41:25.800 Are you doing like jack what are you doing i 852 00:41:25.820 --> 00:41:28.579 had i had blanked that out oh yeah i. 853 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:31.590 Think everybody tried to and even what was the matt 854 00:41:31.610 --> 00:41:35.650 damon the the lawyer when rainmaker yeah like that and 855 00:41:35.670 --> 00:41:37.590 that was just like by the book like it wasn't 856 00:41:38.030 --> 00:41:41.170 bad but i'm just like it's so not a coppola 857 00:41:41.210 --> 00:41:43.309 movie like it's just like could have shoved anybody in 858 00:41:43.349 --> 00:41:45.889 there here's another grisham movie just make one of these. 859 00:41:45.670 --> 00:41:47.690 And I feel like those were the wine financing years. 860 00:41:47.769 --> 00:41:49.510 Probably. Probably. 861 00:41:49.530 --> 00:41:52.210 I think Dracula's the last I've seen of his, actually, 862 00:41:52.250 --> 00:41:52.909 now that I think about it. 863 00:41:53.210 --> 00:41:55.090 And I felt like he gets a bad rap for that. 864 00:41:55.190 --> 00:41:55.510 I like it. 865 00:41:55.530 --> 00:41:57.030 I think that's a very. 866 00:41:57.110 --> 00:41:57.429 I. 867 00:41:57.349 --> 00:41:58.960 Liked how he doesn't belong in it. 868 00:41:59.130 --> 00:41:59.329 Yeah. 869 00:41:59.610 --> 00:42:02.530 Well, everybody likes to badmouth him, but I think... Was 870 00:42:02.610 --> 00:42:06.050 it Sterling that brought up the point? Jonathan is an idiot. 871 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.559 We needed someone to play in it. Like, he lives 872 00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.199 with a vampire for months on end and is like, 873 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.489 something's peculiar around here. So you kind of need an 874 00:42:15.610 --> 00:42:17.570 idiot to play him. So I was like, once he 875 00:42:17.610 --> 00:42:18.849 said that, I was like, all right, maybe it was 876 00:42:18.889 --> 00:42:22.190 good casting, actually. Jonathan Harker's a moron. 877 00:42:22.210 --> 00:42:23.389 Gary Oldman's great in that. 878 00:42:23.550 --> 00:42:24.550 Oh, he's fantastic. 879 00:42:24.789 --> 00:42:26.070 Again, that's great. The blue sunglasses. 880 00:42:26.869 --> 00:42:29.329 His key performance for me. That's kind of where I 881 00:42:29.369 --> 00:42:32.289 go to. I mean, he's got so many, but like, 882 00:42:32.309 --> 00:42:34.780 I don't know, he's just so good at it. 883 00:42:34.789 --> 00:42:36.929 I like his role in the professional... Oh, yeah. 884 00:42:36.969 --> 00:42:38.949 Well, that was that run. 885 00:42:38.989 --> 00:42:41.289 That 90s run. Romeo is Bleeding. 886 00:42:42.610 --> 00:42:46.050 Now, if only he and Uma Thurman or Isabella Rossellini 887 00:42:46.070 --> 00:42:46.840 had ever had kids. 888 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:50.519 Well, see, that goes into one of my other categories, 889 00:42:50.539 --> 00:42:52.400 is people that I wish had

started Dynasty. 890 00:42:52.420 --> 00:42:53.900 Why aren't you having children? 891 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:56.880 People that I wish had started Dynasty. Gary Oldman. Gary 892 00:42:56.920 --> 00:43:00.119 Oldman falls into that category. I so wish he would 893 00:43:00.179 --> 00:43:00.659 have a baby. 894 00:43:01.710 --> 00:43:02.429 With Harrison Ford. 895 00:43:02.469 --> 00:43:03.150 With Harrison Ford. 896 00:43:03.170 --> 00:43:03.969 Based on that last movie. 897 00:43:04.010 --> 00:43:05.010 I do. I really do. 898 00:43:05.909 --> 00:43:08.389 I'll have a baby with Gary Oldman. I'll take one 899 00:43:08.409 --> 00:43:11.250 for the team. 900 00:43:11.909 --> 00:43:16.320 All right, Gary. It's on the table. Quite literally, I suppose. 901 00:43:16.380 --> 00:43:17.980 However you want to go about it. 902 00:43:19.300 --> 00:43:21.940 Well, then. 903 00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:25.199 So, have we finished the Coppola clan? 904 00:43:26.179 --> 00:43:26.780 I think so. 905 00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:29.000 Yeah, did we hit on everybody? We didn't talk about Carmine. 906 00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:32.460 We didn't talk about the patriarch. who did all the music, 907 00:43:33.019 --> 00:43:35.199 who is also an Oscar winner. They're like the other 908 00:43:35.340 --> 00:43:38.219 family other than the Houstons that has three generations of 909 00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:42.119 Oscar winners. So, shout out to Carmine, if that's his name. 910 00:43:42.579 --> 00:43:44.739 We've said a lot of odd things about your family, 911 00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:46.980 but if you'd like to, you know, if the wine 912 00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:49.590 company would like to sponsor the show, or send us 913 00:43:49.610 --> 00:43:52.070 free cases of wine, whatever, we'll take whatever we can. 914 00:43:52.250 --> 00:43:53.630 Goes great with Uncle Matty's pizza. 915 00:43:54.889 --> 00:43:56.789 None of these are working, by the way, you realize that. 916 00:43:56.809 --> 00:43:58.449 I don't care, I'm going to keep going. I had 917 00:43:58.469 --> 00:44:00.639 Uncle Matty's on my way here, just... FYI. 918 00:44:00.699 --> 00:44:01.300 What a shock. 919 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:03.320 Oh, we had that last night. It's really good. 920 00:44:03.340 --> 00:44:03.820 It is good. 921 00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:04.940 They make a really good pizza. 922 00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:05.320 Yeah. 923 00:44:05.340 --> 00:44:05.519 Yeah. 924 00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:07.889 And they have the, oh, because they have the vegan cheese. 925 00:44:07.929 --> 00:44:08.179 Yeah. 926 00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:10.489 They drag their feet on sponsoring, though. 927 00:44:11.289 --> 00:44:12.869 Well, maybe because. 928 00:44:13.510 --> 00:44:18.389 Speaking of sponsoring, Prison State PBS Frontline, April 29th. Please watch. 929 00:44:18.449 --> 00:44:18.829 Thank you. 930 00:44:19.469 --> 00:44:20.730 Where do you find that again? 931 00:44:21.750 --> 00:44:22.829 On PBS? It's only PBS. 932 00:44:22.889 --> 00:44:25.489 Okay. Just getting the right plug out there so we 933 00:44:25.510 --> 00:44:26.050 know where to look for it. 934 00:44:26.070 --> 00:44:27.030 Please check your local listings. 935 00:44:27.130 --> 00:44:29.780 There you go. Do you have other people you want 936 00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:32.110 to move on to? I've got a random list, but 937 00:44:32.150 --> 00:44:35.570 if you've got ones that you're more angry at... Oh, angry? 938 00:44:35.590 --> 00:44:36.829 I was going to say the Fondas, but I don't 939 00:44:36.849 --> 00:44:39.750 think that's... Nah. That one's not... That one doesn't make 940 00:44:39.769 --> 00:44:40.150 me angry. 941 00:44:40.750 --> 00:44:42.280 Well, then you just get to the bottom of it 942 00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:44.920 and go, what the hell happened to Bridget? The ones 943 00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:47.280 that just sort of disappear. She's had some good moments. Yeah, 944 00:44:47.300 --> 00:44:48.420 but where did she go? 945 00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:48.510 She. 946 00:44:49.449 --> 00:44:51.949 Seemed like she left the whole acting thing behind. 947 00:44:52.010 --> 00:44:54.820 Well, she did the right thing then. She took her 948 00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:59.039 own life like a samurai. It's what one must do 949 00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:01.219 when they dishonor the family. 950 00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:06.320 Did she? And yet Jane didn't? Wait, how did this go? 951 00:45:07.420 --> 00:45:10.739 If not for the 60s stuff, how about for Monster-in-Law 952 00:45:10.780 --> 00:45:13.099 or whatever that thing was? 953 00:45:13.139 --> 00:45:16.780 She did start the home exercise craze. 954 00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.840 If not invented it, she certainly perfected it and marketed 955 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:23.900 it better than anyone. 956 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:26.659 You gotta hand it to her on that. With the 957 00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:27.409 help of Ted's money. 958 00:45:29.070 --> 00:45:31.429 Everything works better with Ted's money. Again, if Ted would 959 00:45:31.449 --> 00:45:34.510 like to sponsor this show. We're on some Turner ads 960 00:45:34.570 --> 00:45:34.829 right now. 961 00:45:34.909 --> 00:45:40.010 And with the help of Spandex. Yeah, leg warmers and Spandex. 962 00:45:40.429 --> 00:45:42.800 If nobody else has a new one, I'd like to 963 00:45:42.820 --> 00:45:46.239 bring up the Smiths. As in Will Smith. 964 00:45:51.730 --> 00:45:52.750 Go ahead. 965 00:45:53.110 --> 00:45:55.550 Silly little boy, Jaden. And girl. 966 00:45:56.250 --> 00:45:57.730 Take your pick. 967 00:45:57.750 --> 00:46:00.190 I haven't seen anything with her in it yet. 968 00:46:01.110 --> 00:46:05.730 Mostly her musical career. It's a different road. 969 00:46:05.829 --> 00:46:09.510 I appreciate the trajectory that Will has been on. The 970 00:46:09.550 --> 00:46:12.289 Pursuit of Happiness was in my top ten of all 971 00:46:12.329 --> 00:46:16.179 time greatest films. I thought that from a storytelling perspective 972

00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:20.690 and the adaption of a true event, a real life story, 973 00:46:20.710 --> 00:46:26.289 I mean, it definitely wasn't a Pearl Harbor. Crickets. 974 00:46:26.409 --> 00:46:30.650 Rightful. 975 00:46:30.670 --> 00:46:32.679 But, just the way that story was told and the 976 00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:36.019 way that he transformed himself to play that character, I 977 00:46:36.059 --> 00:46:39.300 just thought was a stunning performance. I really, I thought 978 00:46:39.539 --> 00:46:42.900 he was completely overlooked for what he did in that film. But, 979 00:46:43.730 --> 00:46:48.260 Then he gave us Jaden. And, you know, I mean, 980 00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:49.119 the Karate Kid. 981 00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:52.079 Remake, come on. 982 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:56.639 I didn't even bother. I watched it, and I had 983 00:46:56.659 --> 00:46:59.230 to keep the knife out of my hand because I 984 00:46:59.250 --> 00:47:00.210 was going to take my own life. 985 00:47:00.230 --> 00:47:02.530 Has anybody seen Six Degrees of Separation? 986 00:47:02.550 --> 00:47:03.690 Oh, yeah. 987 00:47:03.730 --> 00:47:04.409 That's early. 988 00:47:04.449 --> 00:47:05.269 Fantastic film. 989 00:47:05.329 --> 00:47:06.829 Well, there's another legacy in there, too. 990 00:47:07.329 --> 00:47:11.510 Sutherland. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And, um... Oh, he's a woman. 991 00:47:11.530 --> 00:47:13.230 That's fantastic. She was in Grease. 992 00:47:13.329 --> 00:47:13.889 Stalker Channing. 993 00:47:13.909 --> 00:47:14.409 Stalker Channing. 994 00:47:14.429 --> 00:47:17.650 Yeah. But with Will, what I don't understand is, like, 995 00:47:17.710 --> 00:47:21.650 he's had what's probably, what, at least 20-year span of, like, 996 00:47:21.750 --> 00:47:24.949 being kind of beloved. Like, not just people like him 997 00:47:24.969 --> 00:47:28.469 a little bit. Like, even when he makes bad movies 998 00:47:28.530 --> 00:47:30.869 or whatever, people just kind of still love him because 999 00:47:30.909 --> 00:47:34.849 he's such a likable guy. How the hell is it that, like, 1000 00:47:34.929 --> 00:47:38.860 I have met no one who likes that Jaden kid. Like, 1001 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.269 how can you, like, love the dad so much? Well, okay, Lucy, 1002 00:47:42.289 --> 00:47:44.250 go ahead then. And hate the son so much. 1003 00:47:44.989 --> 00:47:49.769 I feel badly. And I'll talk trash about Nick Cassavetes 1004 00:47:49.789 --> 00:47:53.199 until the cows come home. But he's a kid. We've 1005 00:47:53.219 --> 00:47:54.860 got to leave this kid alone. It kind of broke 1006 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:56.739 my heart when he got nominated for a Razzie. Or 1007 00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:59.480 did he get the Razzie? Like, it's just mean. 1008 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:01.980 That's what I think is weird, though. Like, not only, like, 1009 00:48:02.590 --> 00:48:07.449 everyone loves Will Smith, but, like, this poor child across 1010 00:48:07.510 --> 00:48:09.610 the board. People just despise him. 1011 00:48:09.989 --> 00:48:13.050 I think despise is a strong word. 1012 00:48:13.070 --> 00:48:15.949 I've heard a lot of bad comments about him. 1013 00:48:16.170 --> 00:48:19.349 I do not appreciate what he is trying to do 1014 00:48:19.510 --> 00:48:21.610 in the industry. Let's put it that way. I think 1015 00:48:21.659 --> 00:48:26.920 he should finish school. He should go to college and 1016 00:48:26.980 --> 00:48:31.460 he should try to be an accountant or something for 1017 00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:32.780 a while. And then maybe. 1018 00:48:33.630 --> 00:48:36.630 Are you saying that because you don't like his performances 1019 00:48:36.710 --> 00:48:38.829 so much? Because there are so many child actors that 1020 00:48:38.889 --> 00:48:40.690 I think are good that I'm like, thank God they 1021 00:48:40.710 --> 00:48:43.789 didn't go to school. School's lame. Look at these amazing. 1022 00:48:43.409 --> 00:48:45.469 Performances we got for years. I think he is an 1023 00:48:45.530 --> 00:48:46.650 extremely weak actor. 1024 00:48:46.690 --> 00:48:46.869 Yeah. 1025 00:48:47.210 --> 00:48:49.010 I wonder if the Smith children have been kind of 1026 00:48:49.070 --> 00:48:52.730 forced into their Hollywood roles as being. 1027 00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:57.940 Whatever the girl does, her horrible music, and I don't 1028 00:48:57.980 --> 00:48:58.320 even know. 1029 00:48:58.380 --> 00:48:58.980 But I don't know. 1030 00:48:59.019 --> 00:49:01.260 I wonder if that's even something they're interested in or 1031 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:03.219 if they're just kind of forced into it because that's 1032 00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:05.739 what they can think. They can make money off of 1033 00:49:05.780 --> 00:49:07.030 them like they're little commodities. 1034 00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.269 I will not believe that Will would do that to 1035 00:49:09.610 --> 00:49:10.309 his daughter. 1036 00:49:10.329 --> 00:49:11.250 See? 1037 00:49:11.289 --> 00:49:14.309 He's still beloved. He is beloved. He is. I don't know. 1038 00:49:14.909 --> 00:49:15.690 So we'll blame Mom. 1039 00:49:15.809 --> 00:49:18.170 I think we can't even really wrap our heads around 1040 00:49:18.210 --> 00:49:18.989 that reality. 1041 00:49:19.010 --> 00:49:19.769 Wrap? I think. 1042 00:49:20.099 --> 00:49:22.519 Where you're going. I was going way back. I was 1043 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:24.199 going deep on the will. Go ahead. 1044 00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:27.320 I mean, if you grow up in that environment and 1045 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.260 it's just sort of the family business and you just, 1046 00:49:30.500 --> 00:49:32.980 I mean, I know there's a certain sense of entitlement. 1047 00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:35.659 I'm sure the kid's a real asshole, but it's not. 1048 00:49:35.909 --> 00:49:38.789 I don't know. He's a kid. He's a kid. And 1049 00:49:38.809 --> 00:49:41.449 he'll grow up and he'll realize that he's not just 1050 00:49:41.530 --> 00:49:44.590

entitled to have a career and you have to work 1051 00:49:44.630 --> 00:49:45.469 for things. 1052 00:49:45.489 --> 00:49:46.889 Oh or maybe he takes some. 1053 00:49:46.769 --> 00:49:49.329 Classes or maybe he won't but let's give him a 1054 00:49:49.369 --> 00:49:50.809 chance we. 1055 00:49:50.469 --> 00:49:54.059 All turn on him right now maybe he'll run away 1056 00:49:54.139 --> 00:49:57.340 we'll all win yay no this is one i wanted 1057 00:49:57.380 --> 00:49:59.599 to bring up because this i think fits almost all 1058 00:49:59.619 --> 00:50:01.840 of this stuff is like i think it's always a 1059 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:05.869 bad idea for the child to go into the same 1060 00:50:05.969 --> 00:50:10.210 business as the parent specifically the same job. Like if 1061 00:50:10.250 --> 00:50:12.349 you can adjust it a little and be like, okay, 1062 00:50:12.389 --> 00:50:14.269 you were an actor. I want to be a director. 1063 00:50:14.630 --> 00:50:16.360 Maybe you can get it. But I mean, does it 1064 00:50:16.429 --> 00:50:20.000 constantly stack the deck so much that like, you're never 1065 00:50:20.019 --> 00:50:22.039 going to get a fair break. Like even if you 1066 00:50:22.579 --> 00:50:25.119 end up going through the right channels and not coasting 1067 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:28.219 on your name and are actually talented and, you're still 1068 00:50:28.340 --> 00:50:31.280 constantly going to be compared to your parents. So is 1069 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:32.880 that just a bad idea? 1070 00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:38.530 Nepotism in any industry is bad. It is bad. I 1071 00:50:38.550 --> 00:50:42.090 don't care if you're a bail bondsman. It's just not 1072 00:50:42.449 --> 00:50:44.289 the right thing to do. You do your children a 1073 00:50:44.409 --> 00:50:48.750 disservice by allowing them to not have to go through 1074 00:50:48.789 --> 00:50:52.840 the system. My daughter wants desperately to be a set designer. 1075 00:50:54.099 --> 00:50:57.000 And given the fact that my career is on such 1076 00:50:57.019 --> 00:51:02.739 a stellar upward trajectory. You don't even know how awesome. 1077 00:51:04.030 --> 00:51:07.639 You were like, come on, honey, let's go. Bring your 1078 00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:09.239 fabrics and get on in here. 1079 00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:15.670 That's right. But no, I would definitely give her jobs 1080 00:51:16.329 --> 00:51:19.929 on sets as a PA. I would allow her to 1081 00:51:19.969 --> 00:51:22.150 hang around the set, and I think that's given her 1082 00:51:22.190 --> 00:51:26.969 a little glimpse inside of what what happens on a 1083 00:51:26.989 --> 00:51:30.179 film set, and you get to know film set etiquette. 1084 00:51:30.219 --> 00:51:33.579 But I would expect my daughter, if my career had 1085 00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:37.260 any sort of upward mobility in all seriousness, I would 1086 00:51:37.300 --> 00:51:41.059 expect my daughter to work from the ground floor and 1087 00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:43.340 to

learn all those things that I had to learn 1088 00:51:43.380 --> 00:51:47.199 starting out, which is you are the bottom of the 1089 00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:48.920 food chain until you aren't. 1090 00:51:48.940 --> 00:51:51.460 Until you can make yourself not. 1091 00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.670 Until you can make yourself not. And the attitude is everything. 1092 00:51:54.969 --> 00:51:57.829 And rolling your eyes at the production coordinator because you 1093 00:51:57.949 --> 00:52:00.250 don't want to go get somebody a salad is the 1094 00:52:00.389 --> 00:52:03.880 wrong thing to do. You don't do those things. And 1095 00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:08.880 I think that whether you're starting out as the first 1096 00:52:08.900 --> 00:52:11.920 person in your family in this industry or you're a 1097 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.619 third generation or a fourth generation, you have to learn 1098 00:52:14.659 --> 00:52:17.539 those things. And parents that don't allow their children to 1099 00:52:17.619 --> 00:52:19.639 learn those things the hard way are doing them a 1100 00:52:20.059 --> 00:52:20.800 major disservice. 1101 00:52:21.710 --> 00:52:23.219 I think when you don't arrive to a point, and 1102 00:52:23.260 --> 00:52:26.059 that's the thing, they're just jumping right in and skipping 1103 00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:29.519 all that. And then also, I wonder how, say Sofia Coppola, 1104 00:52:29.539 --> 00:52:32.860 I wonder how she does treat people in positions that 1105 00:52:32.900 --> 00:52:36.010 she hasn't actually had to do herself. Maybe she does 1106 00:52:36.070 --> 00:52:38.900 have a grace on the set, but I doubt it. 1107 00:52:39.949 --> 00:52:40.909 You know what I'm saying? 1108 00:52:40.929 --> 00:52:41.909 Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. 1109 00:52:41.929 --> 00:52:44.610 Because if you did start out getting coffee, you're not 1110 00:52:44.670 --> 00:52:47.110 going to talk down when you're at that point where 1111 00:52:47.139 --> 00:52:48.559 you're asking someone to get coffee. 1112 00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:52.579 I think if you work as a director... And I've 1113 00:52:52.619 --> 00:52:57.769 never directed a feature. I've only directed documentaries. But if 1114 00:52:57.809 --> 00:53:01.389 you work as a director, I believe that in order 1115 00:53:01.429 --> 00:53:04.289 to be an efficient director, you have to at least 1116 00:53:04.349 --> 00:53:09.809 have empathy. And you have to understand that time takes time. 1117 00:53:09.969 --> 00:53:14.239 It takes a long time for somebody to perform this action, 1118 00:53:15.099 --> 00:53:18.199 to set the lights, and to do all these. You 1119 00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:20.659 have to have some empathy for those other crew positions, 1120 00:53:20.860 --> 00:53:23.579 or else you... you walk onto a set with a 1121 00:53:24.659 --> 00:53:30.250 really warped sense of reality, and it just creates bad bedfellows. 1122 00:53:30.409 --> 00:53:35.170 I mean, the crew is going to, I think, resent 1123 00:53:35.210 --> 00:53:39.739 you the first time you make a mistake. And from 1124 00:53:39.780 --> 00:53:42.519 that point on, that stuff shows up on the screen. 1125 00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.420 And I don't care. You could argue that ten ways 1126 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:47.679 to Sunday. It will show up on the screen in 1127 00:53:47.739 --> 00:53:51.030 some way, shape, or form. when there's not cohesiveness and 1128 00:53:51.050 --> 00:53:56.670 when there's not a real love for the director. Because 1129 00:53:56.690 --> 00:53:58.610 the director is the key. The director is the one 1130 00:53:58.969 --> 00:54:02.230 that's captaining the ship. And you have to follow the director. 1131 00:54:03.349 --> 00:54:06.949 I just feel like it seems like, again, it just 1132 00:54:06.969 --> 00:54:09.730 seems like whatever business you go in, if you're ending 1133 00:54:09.809 --> 00:54:13.340 up going, specifically because the entertainment business is so publicized 1134 00:54:13.380 --> 00:54:15.860 and everything is about the way that you market stuff 1135 00:54:15.889 --> 00:54:18.300 and what people say about, you know, celebrities, whether or 1136 00:54:18.340 --> 00:54:21.320 not it has anything to do with their art. To me, 1137 00:54:21.340 --> 00:54:23.320 it's just like, you are just setting yourself up. And 1138 00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:26.219 so many times it feels like the kid never gets 1139 00:54:26.260 --> 00:54:28.739 out of the shadow of, of who they ever wants 1140 00:54:28.780 --> 00:54:30.820 in a while. There's an example where they will kind 1141 00:54:30.860 --> 00:54:34.019 of surpass, but it just seems like so many, and 1142 00:54:34.059 --> 00:54:36.179 you see so many kids do that. And I guess 1143 00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:39.320 it's just exposure. They're just surrounded by the business and 1144 00:54:39.340 --> 00:54:41.829 they're like, well, that's what I do. But I don't know. 1145 00:54:41.849 --> 00:54:44.110 It just seems like so many times that you see 1146 00:54:44.139 --> 00:54:46.539 them go into the exact same business, and then they're 1147 00:54:46.579 --> 00:54:49.920 just fighting that fight from day one. Maybe they coasted 1148 00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:53.119 in on their name, but then as soon as they 1149 00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:54.880 get there, people just want to rake them over the 1150 00:54:54.940 --> 00:54:57.880 coals because of their name. So it's a double-edged sword 1151 00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.860 in some cases, it seems like. 1152 00:55:00.409 --> 00:55:04.489 Well, but there have been a few families where the 1153 00:55:04.550 --> 00:55:06.769 children have surpassed. Yeah. 1154 00:55:07.250 --> 00:55:10.530 It's the exception, but there are a good amount of them. 1155 00:55:10.550 --> 00:55:18.000 I think the Bridges family. There's Lloyd, but Jeff Bridges is, 1156 00:55:18.460 --> 00:55:23.420 I think, an icon. The guy, not to put too 1157 00:55:23.460 --> 00:55:24.820 fine

of a point on it, but I think the 1158 00:55:24.860 --> 00:55:28.380 guy really sets the bar for a lot of Hollywood 1159 00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:34.389 actors nowadays. He's somebody to look at and aspire to 1160 00:55:34.429 --> 00:55:35.150 be that good. 1161 00:55:36.059 --> 00:55:37.179 And then there's Bo Bridges. 1162 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.599 He's got a sitcom now? Does he? 1163 00:55:40.619 --> 00:55:42.760 I don't know if this is still the case, but 1164 00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:44.610 a few years ago I was walking down Hollywood Boulevard 1165 00:55:44.630 --> 00:55:46.949 and there's the Lloyd Bridges star and then there's the 1166 00:55:46.969 --> 00:55:49.530 Jeff Bridges star and then there's an empty star. They 1167 00:55:49.570 --> 00:55:50.429 really want Bo to like. 1168 00:55:50.449 --> 00:55:52.869 There's a piece of duct tape that says Bo on it. 1169 00:55:52.889 --> 00:55:54.289 He's just not there yet. 1170 00:55:54.329 --> 00:55:55.820 That makes me a little sad. 1171 00:55:56.619 --> 00:55:57.280 He can do it. 1172 00:55:57.360 --> 00:55:59.980 We're collecting money to get it done. There's time. 1173 00:56:03.130 --> 00:56:06.190 And then there's todd bridges i met him. 1174 00:56:06.429 --> 00:56:11.579 The most high caliber he's doing a lot of uh 1175 00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:13.179 i met him in a comic book or i didn't 1176 00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.820 may i saw him in the lobby in a comic 1177 00:56:15.860 --> 00:56:17.500 book convention he's. 1178 00:56:17.300 --> 00:56:19.940 Actually a producer with chris make peace on homes on 1179 00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:22.539 home that's what he's doing. 1180 00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.400 Now we had he had to do his public service 1181 00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:27.630 lecturing at high schools Starting to say, as long as 1182 00:56:27.670 --> 00:56:32.269 he's not knocking over liquor stores, good for him. He 1183 00:56:32.289 --> 00:56:33.309 doesn't look like his dad, though. 1184 00:56:35.250 --> 00:56:37.730 Can we talk about people I wish had had dynasties? 1185 00:56:37.769 --> 00:56:43.949 Some more of those people? Roger Deakins. I would like 1186 00:56:43.989 --> 00:56:45.090 to be Roger Deakins' baby. 1187 00:56:45.590 --> 00:56:46.559 Does he not have children? 1188 00:56:47.420 --> 00:56:49.440 Well, if he does, they're not in the industry. 1189 00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:52.559 They're not you, which is the important part. 1190 00:56:53.139 --> 00:56:55.239 What did you say? I was thinking about me. I 1191 00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:58.260 didn't hear anything you just said. Roger Deakins has such 1192 00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:01.880 a catalog of great films under his belt. Brazil, Sid 1193 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:03.920 and Nancy, Fargo. 1194 00:57:03.940 --> 00:57:05.139 Oh, I didn't realize he'd done Sid and Nancy. 1195 00:57:05.179 --> 00:57:07.639 Oh, yeah, Sid and Nancy, Fargo, Raising Arizona, it was 1196 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.760 DP on that, No Country for Old Men,

which, another dynasty, Brolin. Yeah. 1197 00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:20.099 You know, so he consistently churns out fantastic work. That 1198 00:57:20.139 --> 00:57:22.880 guy is amazing, and I want to be his child. 1199 00:57:23.179 --> 00:57:27.269 I think he just did the, I saw the, Prisoners? 1200 00:57:28.289 --> 00:57:34.150 I think he did that. Yeah, he did. I'm not certain. 1201 00:57:34.710 --> 00:57:36.710 The way that was done, it really made that movie. 1202 00:57:37.909 --> 00:57:39.989 That's worth seeing, specifically for that. 1203 00:57:40.659 --> 00:57:45.500 Shawshank was another one. I actually worked on Shawshank. I'd 1204 00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:52.400 always liked Deacon's films since Brazil. And then watched Sid 1205 00:57:52.420 --> 00:57:56.389 and Nancy and really fell in love. with his work 1206 00:57:56.429 --> 00:57:58.880 there so when I got to I got a job 1207 00:57:59.030 --> 00:58:02.340 on Shawshank just so I could watch him work which 1208 00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:05.780 was really neat so most other kids were dating and 1209 00:58:05.820 --> 00:58:07.860 I was following you know Roger. 1210 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:10.940 Deakins around yeah well. 1211 00:58:13.780 --> 00:58:16.429 Since you were firing off all the Coen Brothers movies 1212 00:58:16.449 --> 00:58:19.269 when's Joel and Francis gonna I mean shouldn't we be 1213 00:58:19.349 --> 00:58:22.510 starting a whole new clan here we need more Coens 1214 00:58:22.570 --> 00:58:23.389 following this up. 1215 00:58:25.309 --> 00:58:26.610 That's dual dynasties. 1216 00:58:27.309 --> 00:58:28.610 Yeah. 1217 00:58:28.630 --> 00:58:33.489 These brother dynasties. Another one is the Brooks family. Mel 1218 00:58:33.550 --> 00:58:33.989 and Max. 1219 00:58:34.409 --> 00:58:37.869 That's true. In a different direction, kind of. But he's 1220 00:58:37.929 --> 00:58:39.800 becoming bigger and bigger. 1221 00:58:39.820 --> 00:58:43.579 It works. So you've got Mel Brooks, who's like. 1222 00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:45.820 One of the funniest men on the planet. 1223 00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:50.519 Funniest man on the planet. He's AFI, Lifetime Achievement, Oscar, Tony. 1224 00:58:50.539 --> 00:58:54.260 And then Max, who I didn't know this until recently... 1225 00:58:54.130 --> 00:58:58.780 was actually a writer on SNL for several years before 1226 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:03.659 he released the Zombie Survival Guide. And then World War Z. 1227 00:59:04.179 --> 00:59:07.670 And then he... See, this is where I really think 1228 00:59:07.690 --> 00:59:10.489 he's done it right. Max Brooks has done it right. 1229 00:59:11.309 --> 00:59:15.150 He was asked to write the screenplay to World War 1230 00:59:15.210 --> 00:59:18.230 Z and turned it down and said he is not 1231 00:59:18.289 --> 00:59:22.150 a good enough screenwriter to do that. And I wish 1232 00:59:22.190 --> 00:59:22.750 he had. 1233 00:59:22.829 --> 00:59:24.610 I wish he had done it. 1234 00:59:24.630 --> 00:59:28.139 But it was like, that's the kind of humility that 1235 00:59:28.889 --> 00:59:32.269 I would hope you would see in more Hollywood dynasties, 1236 00:59:32.329 --> 00:59:33.190 and it doesn't exist. 1237 00:59:33.989 --> 00:59:35.929 I would feel like even if he didn't have that name, 1238 00:59:36.070 --> 00:59:39.070 just as the author of the book, they could have 1239 00:59:39.090 --> 00:59:41.309 at least brought him in with somebody else. It would 1240 00:59:41.329 --> 00:59:44.170 have probably come out a little better. Not last act, 1241 00:59:44.269 --> 00:59:47.710 but anyway. Well, one of the ones I assumed we 1242 00:59:47.750 --> 00:59:51.530 were going to go to pretty early was the Barrymores. 1243 00:59:54.050 --> 00:59:57.449 Everyone's favorite clan? Starting in Reverse? 1244 00:59:57.969 --> 00:59:58.630 Yeah, I don't know. 1245 00:59:58.650 --> 01:00:01.809 That's a tricky one because it's not really diminishing returns. 1246 01:00:02.070 --> 01:00:04.699 I mean, it's sort of a skip generational thing, although 1247 01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:10.400 Hollywood Confidential is great. Or High School Confidential, sorry. I 1248 01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:12.360 don't know. How do we feel about Drew Barrymore? Is 1249 01:00:12.380 --> 01:00:15.000 she talented? Is there a point to her? Okay, no. 1250 01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:17.139 Is there a point to her? 1251 01:00:17.179 --> 01:00:20.389 That's probably the better question. I don't love a lot 1252 01:00:20.429 --> 01:00:23.409 of her performances, but I will say she seems to 1253 01:00:23.469 --> 01:00:26.869 take what she does seriously. I don't think she thinks 1254 01:00:26.949 --> 01:00:29.380 it's all a joke. And especially like now she's gotten 1255 01:00:29.420 --> 01:00:32.380 into directing. So it's like she still kind of takes 1256 01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:35.940 her career seriously. Somehow she gets on screen and she 1257 01:00:35.980 --> 01:00:38.219 usually just kind of acts silly. But like, I don't, 1258 01:00:38.739 --> 01:00:42.139 I don't understand how one doesn't like improve the other. 1259 01:00:42.539 --> 01:00:44.400 You would think if she had just took no interest 1260 01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:46.460 in her career, she would get those performances. But I 1261 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.059 feel like she still takes her career seriously, but her 1262 01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:53.320 acting not so seriously. Because that's like even watching Whip It. 1263 01:00:53.380 --> 01:00:55.599 Like I'm like, as a director, I don't have a 1264 01:00:55.619 --> 01:00:59.179 problem with her. When she's doing her cameo type performance, 1265 01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:01.829 it's horrible. It's like the worst thing in that movie 1266 01:01:02.309 --> 01:01:04.570 is her little bit part in it. So I don't know. 1267 01:01:04.590 --> 01:01:06.590 I'm like, maybe you should just do more directing because 1268 01:01:07.110 --> 01:01:08.590 you just keep doing Adam Sandler movies. 1269 01:01:08.610

--> 01:01:10.550 I don't think she's done anything good since E.T. 1270 01:01:11.050 --> 01:01:12.090 That was her pinnacle. 1271 01:01:12.170 --> 01:01:18.699 Firestarter. Firestarter. You know, okay. I can't believe I'm coming 1272 01:01:18.780 --> 01:01:19.260 out with this. 1273 01:01:19.860 --> 01:01:20.840 You love Charlie's Angels. 1274 01:01:21.099 --> 01:01:23.760 I thought Never Been Kissed was a good movie. I 1275 01:01:23.820 --> 01:01:26.929 enjoyed that movie. I thought she was campy and Fun 1276 01:01:26.969 --> 01:01:30.110 to watch. It's not going on the shelf of all-time favorites. 1277 01:01:30.130 --> 01:01:32.340 There's a level where she can do that stuff, and 1278 01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:33.340 that's the thing. 1279 01:01:33.619 --> 01:01:36.019 She was a comedic presence in that film. She really 1280 01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.719 carried off that, pulled off that character. I thought it 1281 01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:39.219 was good. 1282 01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:43.460 She's got a level where she can work, but I 1283 01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.460 don't know. Again, she just keeps doing Adam Sandler movies. 1284 01:01:47.130 --> 01:01:48.750 There's another new one for God's sakes. 1285 01:01:49.070 --> 01:01:50.949 She's one of those people also that can do anything 1286 01:01:50.989 --> 01:01:53.730 and it just becomes popular. She just released a book 1287 01:01:53.769 --> 01:01:56.199 a few months ago that is photos she took of 1288 01:01:56.570 --> 01:01:57.719 heart-shaped objects. 1289 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:01.139 So it's an Instagram account. 1290 01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:01.409 It is. 1291 01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:04.539 But they gave her a book deal. What the fuck? 1292 01:02:04.900 --> 01:02:06.380 That's exactly my thoughts. 1293 01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:07.719 Oh my god. 1294 01:02:07.739 --> 01:02:09.760 And then it's all about the preface. 1295 01:02:09.860 --> 01:02:12.039 I read the preface and it's all about love. 1296 01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:15.070 I've got to get out of here. We'll take a 1297 01:02:15.110 --> 01:02:17.070 break on that one. 1298 01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:19.269 It's really silly. And I was thinking she's going on 1299 01:02:19.289 --> 01:02:19.809 this big model. 1300 01:02:19.849 --> 01:02:22.210 I'm going to release a book of dick-shaped objects. How 1301 01:02:22.230 --> 01:02:24.210 about that? There's already three of them. 1302 01:02:24.230 --> 01:02:25.610 There's three of them out there. 1303 01:02:25.650 --> 01:02:26.889 It's phallic right here. 1304 01:02:27.210 --> 01:02:30.010 She's been married, like, what, seven times? And she's talking 1305 01:02:30.050 --> 01:02:34.750 about love and how, yeah, I don't know. She loves everyone. Apparently. 1306 01:02:34.769 --> 01:02:35.409 For real. 1307 01:02:35.469 --> 01:02:36.369 For a minute. 1308 01:02:37.309 --> 01:02:38.869 She loves scamming the public. 1309 01:02:39.550 --> 01:02:40.130 That's it. 1310 01:02:40.429 --> 01:02:41.789 I've never been kissed sucked. 1311 01:02:41.809 --> 01:02:43.130 She's mighty. I don't like her. 1312 01:02:43.170 --> 01:02:43.650 I'm sorry. 1313 01:02:43.889 --> 01:02:44.989 When's her album coming out? 1314 01:02:45.289 --> 01:02:45.969 Oh, God. 1315 01:02:46.010 --> 01:02:47.110 Yeah, probably next week. 1316 01:02:47.889 --> 01:02:48.250 Nice. 1317 01:02:48.269 --> 01:02:49.250 I don't like her. 1318 01:02:49.789 --> 01:02:50.130 The end. 1319 01:02:51.829 --> 01:02:53.070 Drew, we love you. 1320 01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:55.039 If you ever want to come. 1321 01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:56.139 On the show. 1322 01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:58.320 She's a nerd. She's almost a non-person. 1323 01:02:58.340 --> 01:03:00.139 Lucy's thinking, I was this close to getting her for 1324 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.320 the Harry Dean Stanton Fest. This close. 1325 01:03:02.340 --> 01:03:03.599 That's only my opinion. 1326 01:03:03.619 --> 01:03:06.280 Thanks, jackasses. 1327 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:09.269 Bring Lionel with you. This will be interesting. 1328 01:03:09.289 --> 01:03:10.750 I don't know. 1329 01:03:10.769 --> 01:03:14.710 I mean, she did come from pretty big names up 1330 01:03:14.769 --> 01:03:17.710 there back in the day. And it's funny that, yeah, 1331 01:03:17.730 --> 01:03:18.780 she went in a totally different direction. 1332 01:03:19.349 --> 01:03:21.150 Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me. 1333 01:03:21.710 --> 01:03:25.610 Well, was she one of the producers for Donnie Darko? 1334 01:03:25.630 --> 01:03:29.570 Because wasn't she kind of influential in that being able 1335 01:03:29.590 --> 01:03:31.159 to happen? You didn't like that? 1336 01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:31.780 Oh, no. 1337 01:03:31.940 --> 01:03:33.320 I can't wait to do that episode. 1338 01:03:33.340 --> 01:03:34.360 We keep putting it on. 1339 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:37.300 Why have we not done that episode? There'll be blood. 1340 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:38.920 It's going to get vicious. 1341 01:03:39.019 --> 01:03:39.880 You didn't like that either? 1342 01:03:39.900 --> 01:03:39.960 No. 1343 01:03:40.989 --> 01:03:44.750 Actually, I didn't, but that was not a reference to that. 1344 01:03:44.809 --> 01:03:46.889 I was just saying it's going to be a bloody episode. 1345 01:03:46.909 --> 01:03:48.329 Nods and Gunny Dark was fantastic. 1346 01:03:49.090 --> 01:03:50.289 Except the things that are great. 1347 01:03:50.309 --> 01:03:51.230 Except the things that you like. 1348 01:03:51.250 --> 01:03:51.869 And those things I love. 1349 01:03:52.250 --> 01:03:52.989 But most things. 1350 01:03:54.889 --> 01:03:57.309 Speaking of things I love, let's get this positive again. 1351 01:03:57.449 --> 01:04:00.449 Let's talk about the Houstons. Because the Houstons are the 1352 01:04:00.489 --> 01:04:02.239 family that I want the Cassavetes to be. 1353 01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:03.460 All right. 1354 01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:07.139 So you start with Walter, who is an amazing actor. 1355 01:04:07.420 -->

01:04:10.260 And then you've got John, who is an amazing writer-director. 1356 01:04:10.739 --> 01:04:13.679 Also actor, maybe not his strong point, but still good. 1357 01:04:13.699 --> 01:04:14.469 But he liked doing it. 1358 01:04:14.610 --> 01:04:17.809 Yeah, you know, he did it for kicks. And then 1359 01:04:17.869 --> 01:04:20.670 you just have like a million Houstons after that. And 1360 01:04:20.710 --> 01:04:23.449 every time I feel like I see a really great performance, 1361 01:04:23.570 --> 01:04:26.050 and I'm like, who is this? Like, the sniper on 1362 01:04:26.090 --> 01:04:28.909 Boardwalk Empire. I was like, who is this guy? He's amazing. 1363 01:04:29.190 --> 01:04:32.739 Jack Houston. Sure enough, it's a Houston. Like, they're all 1364 01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:35.179 over the place. And they're phenomenal. 1365 01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.800 And they keep making them. And they had a. 1366 01:04:37.699 --> 01:04:39.159 City in Texas named after them. 1367 01:04:39.260 --> 01:04:41.300 Because they misspelled it, so that was dumb. 1368 01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:44.019 Texas fucks everything. 1369 01:04:44.059 --> 01:04:46.199 That's not true. We love you, Texas. We have a 1370 01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:47.980 lot of Texas listeners. 1371 01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:50.760 We really do. 1372 01:04:50.780 --> 01:04:52.690 Yeah, like two-thirds of our audience. 1373 01:04:52.750 --> 01:04:55.010 We have three people from Texas. For a long time, 1374 01:04:55.090 --> 01:04:58.690 it was like two-thirds Texas. I don't understand why. But 1375 01:04:58.730 --> 01:05:00.170 they're from Austin, which is a cool. 1376 01:05:00.590 --> 01:05:03.630 Because we love Texas. They teach creationism in the schools 1377 01:05:03.690 --> 01:05:06.769 in Texas. Just a brand full circle here. 1378 01:05:07.510 --> 01:05:08.650 That's a true story, isn't it? 1379 01:05:08.650 --> 01:05:09.050 Yes, it is. 1380 01:05:09.110 --> 01:05:09.309 Wow. 1381 01:05:09.909 --> 01:05:15.480 We love you, Texas. Anyway, so is Angelica knocking out kids? 1382 01:05:15.500 --> 01:05:18.320 It's probably a little late now, but... Yeah, I don't 1383 01:05:18.340 --> 01:05:18.639 think so. 1384 01:05:18.659 --> 01:05:21.940 When you have a relationship with Jack Nicholson for that long, 1385 01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:24.539 I think you just decide that maybe Offspring. 1386 01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:27.969 Isn't the best idea. Speaking of which, she's got a daughter. 1387 01:05:28.909 --> 01:05:29.489 She's a golfer. 1388 01:05:30.699 --> 01:05:31.199 She's well. 1389 01:05:31.260 --> 01:05:32.420 She's in a lot of stuff. 1390 01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:33.840 Was Rebecca Broussard, did they? 1391 01:05:33.860 --> 01:05:37.059 Is that Rebecca Broussard's kid? Add that one to the 1392 01:05:37.099 --> 01:05:38.679 list because it was one of the first ones that 1393 01:05:38.699 --> 01:05:43.480 came up. Lorraine Nicholson. She is in several movies now. 1394 01:05:43.619 --> 01:05:46.119 She's not the lead yet, but she's a Nicholson, so 1395 01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:50.030 they'll probably start giving her some. So I thought that was... 1396 01:05:50.050 --> 01:05:55.389 How old is she? 23. She's in that Soul Surfer movie, 1397 01:05:55.730 --> 01:05:58.070 but she's not the girl. She's like her friend, I guess. 1398 01:05:58.670 --> 01:06:01.289 She's one of the leads, but she's not, like, the girl. 1399 01:06:01.309 --> 01:06:03.530 So she's paying her dues. There you go. Well, I mean, 1400 01:06:03.550 --> 01:06:05.739 she paid her dues. Her dad's Jack Nicholson. 1401 01:06:06.460 --> 01:06:09.000 Who we might actually want for Hades to infest some years. 1402 01:06:09.739 --> 01:06:12.079 Hey, I like the guy, but, I mean, it's got 1403 01:06:12.099 --> 01:06:14.559 to be a rough childhood, right? Your dad's Jack Nicholson? 1404 01:06:14.739 --> 01:06:15.099 Come on. 1405 01:06:16.099 --> 01:06:20.690 I just thought of something. Tatum O'Neil and Ryan O'Neil 1406 01:06:20.869 --> 01:06:23.230 in Paper Moon. Being in the same movie. 1407 01:06:23.590 --> 01:06:24.110 Oh, wow. 1408 01:06:24.250 --> 01:06:25.909 That's so true. And I read... I didn't see it 1409 01:06:26.010 --> 01:06:28.590 until maybe two years ago, and I love... The Last 1410 01:06:28.610 --> 01:06:30.909 Picture Show is one of my favorite movies, and I 1411 01:06:31.250 --> 01:06:34.750 saw that, Paper Moon, and I read about how the 1412 01:06:34.769 --> 01:06:36.949 dynamic with them, too, and that's something that is an 1413 01:06:37.170 --> 01:06:42.170 extra element to this, is how their relationship, actually. Because 1414 01:06:42.210 --> 01:06:46.940 she was the youngest person to win an award, and 1415 01:06:46.980 --> 01:06:48.480 he was really awful to her. 1416 01:06:48.500 --> 01:06:54.780 Just one of the most tragic Hollywood relationships ever. Paternal relationships, yeah. 1417 01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:57.159 And that movie is fantastic. And their relationship in the 1418 01:06:57.199 --> 01:06:59.519 movie is... Yeah, anyway, I just thought of that. 1419 01:06:59.960 --> 01:07:03.119 Was that story about him hitting on her ever validated? 1420 01:07:03.139 --> 01:07:04.679 Do you guys remember that? 1421 01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:06.260 I read something that. 1422 01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:07.739 Go ahead. 1423 01:07:07.820 --> 01:07:13.329 Like in a... Like spanking her? Or like. 1424 01:07:13.590 --> 01:07:16.250 At an event and didn't know who she was and 1425 01:07:16.289 --> 01:07:19.360 hit on her. Like, they had become... Awkward. 1426 01:07:19.500 --> 01:07:20.019 Yeah. 1427 01:07:20.139 --> 01:07:23.699 And she was like, um, it's me, Tatum, you asshole. 1428 01:07:23.780 --> 01:07:25.780 Well, she was married to John McEnroe and all, like, 1429 01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:26.980 had a messed up thing. 1430 01:07:27.019 --> 01:07:29.389 Oh, God, I can't remember. I didn't know she had 1431 01:07:29.409 --> 01:07:30.969 a series of relationships in her

life. 1432 01:07:31.170 --> 01:07:32.409 And I almost want to say that was at Farrah 1433 01:07:32.429 --> 01:07:34.570 Fawcett's funeral, too, but I could be conflating that with 1434 01:07:34.630 --> 01:07:35.769 the Polanski story. 1435 01:07:35.789 --> 01:07:37.230 I don't know. 1436 01:07:37.250 --> 01:07:37.889 Oh, Ryan. 1437 01:07:37.909 --> 01:07:44.460 This is dangerously close to People Magazine territory here. All right, so, 1438 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:45.840 Cruz Kidman. 1439 01:07:46.989 --> 01:07:48.269 Oh, God, Connor. 1440 01:07:48.829 --> 01:07:49.449 Oh, Connor. 1441 01:07:50.989 --> 01:07:56.340 Everyone's new favorite Smith. Is he moving into the Jaden territory? 1442 01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:01.170 Not that the remake of Red Dawn... It wasn't a 1443 01:08:01.170 --> 01:08:03.309 wet blanket to begin with. But he was the wet 1444 01:08:03.329 --> 01:08:05.150 blanket on the wet blanket. 1445 01:08:05.230 --> 01:08:07.489 I love that you actually watch these movies. 1446 01:08:07.239 --> 01:08:09.599 And can weigh in. Oh, I do. I do. 1447 01:08:09.659 --> 01:08:10.820 And tell us what we all suspected. 1448 01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:19.899 But we're afraid to confirm. I am not a student 1449 01:08:20.659 --> 01:08:23.930 of film history. I like what I like and I 1450 01:08:23.970 --> 01:08:26.409 watch what I watch. And the first time that I 1451 01:08:26.470 --> 01:08:30.149 see a film, I do it. purely for the joy 1452 01:08:30.229 --> 01:08:32.649 of watching a film. And then I go back and 1453 01:08:32.710 --> 01:08:36.090 ruin the experience for myself by dissecting it. But the 1454 01:08:36.130 --> 01:08:38.470 first time I watched a film, but Red Dawn was 1455 01:08:38.529 --> 01:08:41.960 one of those films where, you know, as bad as 1456 01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:44.979 it was in the 80s, I loved it. I loved 1457 01:08:45.020 --> 01:08:45.439 everything about it. 1458 01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:47.140 You have to love it, kind of. 1459 01:08:47.220 --> 01:08:53.079 Wolverines! Who doesn't love that? And just the remake of 1460 01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:55.819 that was like a Hitler painting. 1461 01:08:57.350 --> 01:08:58.300 I hear he was pretty good. 1462 01:08:58.319 --> 01:08:59.689 I don't know. 1463 01:08:59.710 --> 01:09:02.800 Red Dawn. i mean it i almost give it credit 1464 01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:05.770 for more like what it did at the time it 1465 01:09:05.810 --> 01:09:09.109 was tapping into a mentality that only existed at that 1466 01:09:09.170 --> 01:09:11.109 time and play and watching it now like if you're 1467 01:09:11.130 --> 01:09:13.779 a kid now watching that movie you don't Get it. 1468 01:09:13.829 --> 01:09:16.329 But like America was in such a weird point at 1469 01:09:16.390 --> 01:09:19.409 that in history that like that movie just sort of 1470 01:09:19.489 --> 01:09:22.039 nails it in a way, in a really cheesy way. 1471 01:09:22.100 --> 01:09:24.319 But like you kind of, I don't know. It's one 1472 01:09:24.340 --> 01:09:27.220 of those like we need to preserve that movie in 1473 01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:32.100 the Smithsonian because it captures a point in America that 1474 01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:33.880 I don't know if any other movie really does. 1475 01:09:33.979 --> 01:09:38.109 When I met my wife in 97 and so we're 1476 01:09:38.130 --> 01:09:40.090 at that getting to know you phase, you know, and 1477 01:09:40.109 --> 01:09:42.329 so I said, you've got to see this movie. And 1478 01:09:42.350 --> 01:09:44.609 I hadn't seen it in 15 years or whatever. I'm like, 1479 01:09:44.649 --> 01:09:46.329 you've got to see this movie. It was the greatest 1480 01:09:46.369 --> 01:09:49.920 movie ever. And I turned it on. And God bless her, 1481 01:09:49.989 --> 01:09:52.060 she watched it. She didn't say a word through the 1482 01:09:52.100 --> 01:09:54.560 entire thing. And afterwards she looked at me and said, 1483 01:09:55.340 --> 01:09:58.880 you had a very bad childhood, didn't you? 1484 01:09:59.460 --> 01:10:00.500 And then you wept for an hour. 1485 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:02.380 And then I wept. I was in the sucking my 1486 01:10:02.420 --> 01:10:04.260 thumb position. 1487 01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:06.859 Well, there is something that differentiates why the first one 1488 01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:08.310 was so good as Harry Dean Stanton. 1489 01:10:08.970 --> 01:10:10.159 I figured we were going to go over there. 1490 01:10:10.189 --> 01:10:11.090 It really all comes back to that. 1491 01:10:11.850 --> 01:10:13.649 The thread that goes through all of fine films. 1492 01:10:13.670 --> 01:10:14.050 That's true. 1493 01:10:14.069 --> 01:10:14.590 And the fence. 1494 01:10:15.109 --> 01:10:15.770 That's true. 1495 01:10:15.789 --> 01:10:18.760 Which is why I love Molly Ringwald. 1496 01:10:21.500 --> 01:10:22.039 That's all you need. 1497 01:10:22.060 --> 01:10:25.000 Because she was in Pretty in Pink with Harry Dean Stanley. 1498 01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:28.350 Which was on TV yesterday. I watched it. That's right. 1499 01:10:28.689 --> 01:10:29.510 He's not in it enough. 1500 01:10:31.050 --> 01:10:39.189 And John Cryer, too much. Don't worry, he's cashing his 1501 01:10:39.229 --> 01:10:42.510 paychecks now. It all came full circle. Nobody cared about 1502 01:10:42.529 --> 01:10:44.949 him that much in the 80s, but I think about 1503 01:10:44.989 --> 01:10:46.939 how much he makes off that damn sitcom now. 1504 01:10:47.270 --> 01:10:49.239 John Cryer's hiding out? He didn't like that one? 1505 01:10:49.300 --> 01:10:52.720 See, that's the Morgan Stewart coming home. These are fine 1506 01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:54.899 films that he made, but didn't really cash the big 1507 01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:58.199 paychecks back in the day. 1508 01:10:58.460 --> 01:11:00.239 What about Bruce and Laura Dern? 1509 01:11:02.149 --> 01:11:02.479 Yeah. 1510 01:11:03.180 --> 01:11:05.779 And Diane Ladd. Don't forget Diane Ladd. 1511 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:06.520 Oh,

yeah. 1512 01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:08.300 Mom's famous, too. 1513 01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:11.960 I don't like the way Laura Dern cries. 1514 01:11:11.979 --> 01:11:14.699 Oh, my God. It's sad that we brought that up 1515 01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:15.479 on this show before. 1516 01:11:16.020 --> 01:11:18.680 The Laura Dern cry face. The Laura Dern cry face. 1517 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:23.520 It's like, well, it's like Jack Nicholson's Joker. That's who 1518 01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:24.640 she looks like when she cries. 1519 01:11:24.739 --> 01:11:25.689 It's horrifying. 1520 01:11:26.090 --> 01:11:27.090 That downturn. 1521 01:11:27.100 --> 01:11:27.189 Yeah. 1522 01:11:28.750 --> 01:11:30.909 I don't think it fits just fine in Blue Velvet 1523 01:11:30.970 --> 01:11:34.850 because it's disturbing. So, I mean, it fits really well 1524 01:11:34.890 --> 01:11:37.470 with Lynch kind of stuff. But trying to work it 1525 01:11:37.510 --> 01:11:38.689 in other movies, I don't know. 1526 01:11:38.869 --> 01:11:43.050 Well, Wild at Heart. Oh, yeah, because what's his name? 1527 01:11:43.649 --> 01:11:44.340 Harry Dean Stanton? 1528 01:11:44.609 --> 01:11:44.770 No. 1529 01:11:46.180 --> 01:11:46.779 Yes. 1530 01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:49.300 Nick Coppola? 1531 01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:49.800 Exactly. 1532 01:11:49.819 --> 01:11:53.479 That movie, I felt nauseous after that film. 1533 01:11:54.300 --> 01:11:54.819 Wild at Heart? 1534 01:11:54.979 --> 01:11:55.260 Yeah. 1535 01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:58.960 I really did. I felt sick. Because anything, the vomit 1536 01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:01.739 scene with her, and you didn't even see her puke, 1537 01:12:02.220 --> 01:12:03.270 but do you know the movie very well? 1538 01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:04.270 Yeah, I know the movie. 1539 01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:04.979 It's good. 1540 01:12:05.020 --> 01:12:05.829 It's been several years. 1541 01:12:05.850 --> 01:12:07.010 But I just can't ever watch it again. 1542 01:12:07.029 --> 01:12:08.479 It's been several years since I've seen it. 1543 01:12:08.649 --> 01:12:11.069 But yeah, that scene with her and Willem Dafoe. 1544 01:12:11.810 --> 01:12:12.949 See, that should make you sick. 1545 01:12:12.970 --> 01:12:13.689 When he was up in her hair. 1546 01:12:13.729 --> 01:12:14.229 Willem Dafoe. 1547 01:12:14.470 --> 01:12:15.569 That was a factor, yeah. 1548 01:12:15.609 --> 01:12:18.210 He's creepy. Yeah, but Willem Dafoe is another one which, 1549 01:12:18.390 --> 01:12:22.170 if he had a child in the industry, I'd probably watch. 1550 01:12:23.329 --> 01:12:24.090 Most definitely. 1551 01:12:24.489 --> 01:12:25.130 Without judgment. 1552 01:12:26.050 --> 01:12:27.909 Well, there's one that I'm rooting for. I mean, to 1553 01:12:28.170 --> 01:12:30.430 get to one that I was like, again, I don't 1554 01:12:30.489 --> 01:12:34.069 think it's broken through yet, but my beloved Leah Thompson 1555 01:12:34.109 --> 01:12:36.840 has a daughter who is now an actress and is 1556 01:12:37.100 --> 01:12:39.319 just kind of now coming through. She was on like 1557 01:12:39.340 --> 01:12:41.779 a Disney show and like now she's... Stop. 1558 01:12:42.060 --> 01:12:42.579 Stop right there. 1559 01:12:42.619 --> 01:12:43.000 No, no. 1560 01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:45.760 Even better. She's going to be on Vampire Academy. 1561 01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:48.800 Too bad she couldn't have been in Red Dawn. 1562 01:12:48.899 --> 01:12:49.020 No. 1563 01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:50.399 Don't you say bad things about Zoe. 1564 01:12:50.430 --> 01:12:51.630 Leah Thompson was in the first one, right? 1565 01:12:51.989 --> 01:12:53.449 Leah Thompson was in the first one. Who was the other? 1566 01:12:53.609 --> 01:12:54.149 Jennifer Grey. 1567 01:12:54.170 --> 01:12:54.569 Jennifer Grey. 1568 01:12:54.590 --> 01:12:56.350 Yes. with original movies. 1569 01:12:56.380 --> 01:12:57.939 And we could do a, you could do an episode 1570 01:12:57.979 --> 01:13:00.960 on reconstructive surgery running careers. 1571 01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:03.859 Or making them. 1572 01:13:03.899 --> 01:13:04.319 Yeah. 1573 01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:06.159 Or ruining them and then making them. 1574 01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:06.899 That's right. 1575 01:13:06.939 --> 01:13:07.180 Yeah. 1576 01:13:07.479 --> 01:13:09.890 What happened with that? Or what's an example of that? 1577 01:13:10.229 --> 01:13:11.890 I think there's only one example of that and that's 1578 01:13:11.930 --> 01:13:12.489 Mickey Rourke. 1579 01:13:13.149 --> 01:13:14.369 Oh, oh yeah, right. 1580 01:13:14.409 --> 01:13:17.130 Yes. They're like, oh no, this face cannot. 1581 01:13:16.890 --> 01:13:17.409 Be in movies. 1582 01:13:17.529 --> 01:13:19.989 Oh wait, this face can be in a very specific 1583 01:13:20.029 --> 01:13:20.770 kind of movie. 1584 01:13:20.989 --> 01:13:23.659 Yeah. And we'll keep making that movie. 1585 01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:26.779 Which was funny because remember that movie Johnny Handsome that 1586 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:27.079 he did? 1587 01:13:27.100 --> 01:13:28.659 I didn't see that. 1588 01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:31.520 It's actually worth seeing. It's really interesting. No, it's Morgan 1589 01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:34.170 Freeman and who's the woman in it? 1590 01:13:34.189 --> 01:13:36.750 It was one of those cable standards. They played that 1591 01:13:36.789 --> 01:13:38.069 thing to death back in the day. 1592 01:13:38.090 --> 01:13:41.810 Because it's all about his he had a reconstructive surgery. 1593 01:13:42.710 --> 01:13:44.850 It was like this experimental thing and it made him 1594 01:13:45.649 --> 01:13:46.270 Mickey Rourke. 1595 01:13:46.350 --> 01:13:47.630 It made him beautiful. 1596 01:13:47.649 --> 01:13:48.829 But he was trying to get out of crime and 1597 01:13:48.850 --> 01:13:50.250 it was like a new life but then he got back. 1598 01:13:50.350 --> 01:13:52.210 But it's And it's interesting because it's kind of a 1599 01:13:52.210 --> 01:13:55.220 little

foreshadowing. Because I think after, I think around that 1600 01:13:55.260 --> 01:13:56.840 time he was starting to get into boxing. 1601 01:13:57.159 --> 01:13:57.500 Yeah. 1602 01:13:57.539 --> 01:13:59.779 Because Rumble was, what was Rumblefish? 1603 01:13:59.859 --> 01:14:03.439 That was 85? Rumblefish was 83 years. A couple of classic. 1604 01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:05.079 I love it. Yeah. 1605 01:14:05.140 --> 01:14:06.979 It might have been 85. 1606 01:14:06.979 --> 01:14:08.979 Yeah, because Outsiders I think was 83. 1607 01:14:08.979 --> 01:14:09.649 Yeah. 1608 01:14:10.550 --> 01:14:15.329 And then Johnny Handsome was late 80s. But then, yeah, 1609 01:14:15.350 --> 01:14:16.609 so anyway, I just thought of that. 1610 01:14:17.289 --> 01:14:19.189 I feel like Mike's having an important thought. 1611 01:14:19.250 --> 01:14:23.770 Yeah, I'm following the chain. Estevez with Swayze with, and 1612 01:14:23.789 --> 01:14:26.029 then you've got the Sheens. Yeah. 1613 01:14:26.050 --> 01:14:28.050 That's what I was going to say. That was on 1614 01:14:28.069 --> 01:14:32.470 my list, too. The Sheen-Estevez clan, as it were. Which 1615 01:14:32.510 --> 01:14:35.399 I will say is the only funny thing, the only 1616 01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:39.659 somewhat clever thing in the most recent Machete film, and yes, 1617 01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:42.699 I watched the most recent Machete film, is the fact 1618 01:14:42.739 --> 01:14:45.500 that they cast Charlie Sheen as the President of the 1619 01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:48.779 United States. That was funny casting, I'm sorry. Like, that 1620 01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:51.319 was pretty damn funny. That's kind of the best joke 1621 01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:51.880 in the movie. 1622 01:14:52.020 --> 01:14:53.560 I was just thinking, I can't believe I didn't see 1623 01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:55.560 that film, and then I remembered, oh yeah, I did. 1624 01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:57.420 And then I completely forgot it. 1625 01:14:57.750 --> 01:14:59.029 Yeah, it's kind of like that. 1626 01:14:59.050 --> 01:15:00.149 It was just gone. 1627 01:15:00.630 --> 01:15:02.770 I'm looking forward to the machete in space. 1628 01:15:03.989 --> 01:15:07.989 I feel that... And there's the other... There's Charlie and Emilio, 1629 01:15:08.029 --> 01:15:09.170 and then there's... Who's the third one? 1630 01:15:09.210 --> 01:15:09.510 Renee. 1631 01:15:10.180 --> 01:15:15.210 Oh, no. It's Estevez. It's another Estevez. It's... I can't 1632 01:15:15.250 --> 01:15:15.930 remember his name. 1633 01:15:15.949 --> 01:15:17.770 There's a Renee Estevez and then Ramon. 1634 01:15:18.109 --> 01:15:18.449 Ramon. 1635 01:15:18.529 --> 01:15:18.930 Ramon. 1636 01:15:19.010 --> 01:15:19.109 Yeah. 1637 01:15:19.170 --> 01:15:20.510 Now, who's Renee? 1638 01:15:20.529 --> 01:15:20.949 What is Renee? 1639 01:15:20.970 --> 01:15:24.649 Renee is the daughter. I'm trying to think. She's younger 1640 01:15:24.729 --> 01:15:26.510 than both of them, I think.

And she's been in 1641 01:15:26.550 --> 01:15:29.329 a couple of things. I've seen her. We'll leave it 1642 01:15:29.369 --> 01:15:29.750 at that. 1643 01:15:30.229 --> 01:15:30.609 Okay. 1644 01:15:31.069 --> 01:15:32.949 But, again, it was just one of those, oh, there's 1645 01:15:33.010 --> 01:15:33.729 another Estevez. 1646 01:15:34.050 --> 01:15:38.239 But it's the mother that's, Charlie's mother is different though, right? 1647 01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:40.319 Or do they all have the same mother? I thought 1648 01:15:40.340 --> 01:15:42.199 they were the same. And he just chose to use 1649 01:15:42.220 --> 01:15:42.819 the name. 1650 01:15:42.859 --> 01:15:43.500 Yeah. 1651 01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:44.420 He was the asshole. 1652 01:15:44.850 --> 01:15:48.029 I don't want to be Esther. That freaking Emilio gets 1653 01:15:48.090 --> 01:15:51.109 on my nerve. Oh wait, we keep making movies together. 1654 01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:54.140 Are you showing, are they going to show Repo Man? 1655 01:15:54.380 --> 01:15:55.420 We've shown it twice now. 1656 01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:56.880 Because I've never seen it and I was thinking that 1657 01:15:56.899 --> 01:15:58.020 would be a great way to see it for the 1658 01:15:58.039 --> 01:15:58.779 first time. 1659 01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:02.340 I would love to show it. I actually, I can't 1660 01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:03.039 see this on. 1661 01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:10.189 The air. 1662 01:16:10.250 --> 01:16:12.930 Yeah, anyway. Oh, now I'm having a sad moment. Wait, 1663 01:16:12.949 --> 01:16:13.270 hold on. 1664 01:16:13.470 --> 01:16:13.859 Moving on. 1665 01:16:14.380 --> 01:16:17.619 Emilio Estevez. Yeah, I would love to show it again. 1666 01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:20.000 I would love Emilio Estevez to come. He's like a 1667 01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:21.659 horse industry kind of person. 1668 01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:22.020 Oh, really? 1669 01:16:22.140 --> 01:16:23.220 I feel like he might be accessible. 1670 01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:27.010 Seems like I'm not doing much these days. But he doesn't... 1671 01:16:27.510 --> 01:16:31.430 He's directing. Last year or so, they did a huge 1672 01:16:31.590 --> 01:16:35.050 Breakfast Club reunion, and everybody was there except Emilio. 1673 01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:35.810 Really? 1674 01:16:35.949 --> 01:16:37.159 And it was like in L.A. 1675 01:16:37.220 --> 01:16:37.720 What? 1676 01:16:37.779 --> 01:16:40.800 Yeah. It was like they had them all on stage. 1677 01:16:40.819 --> 01:16:41.260 They were all. 1678 01:16:42.050 --> 01:16:44.699 Judd Nelson is telling stories. Like, he bothered to show up, 1679 01:16:44.970 --> 01:16:47.649 but Emilio wouldn't come? I was like, what? The Ally 1680 01:16:47.670 --> 01:16:48.850 Sheedy would stop being crazy for a few minutes. 1681 01:16:48.890 --> 01:16:50.390 Was Michael Hall there? Was Anthony Michael Hall there? Yeah. 1682 01:16:50.710 --> 01:16:52.869 Everybody in the cast was there, except Emilio. 1683 01:16:52.909 --> 01:16:55.869 Which, point of no return, by the way. His big 1684 01:16:56.229 --> 01:16:58.760 breakaway movie. If anybody's ever seen that. 1685 01:16:58.800 --> 01:16:59.489 Not Johnny B. Goode? 1686 01:17:00.579 --> 01:17:02.279 No, this was point of no return. 1687 01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:03.640 Not the remake of La Femme Nikita. 1688 01:17:05.390 --> 01:17:08.069 That is blasphemy. I can't even watch that movie. Luc 1689 01:17:08.090 --> 01:17:09.489 Besson is a god. 1690 01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:10.760 I know. 1691 01:17:11.659 --> 01:17:18.140 Please. I almost threw it out. Have you seen his 1692 01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:21.840 recent fantasy movie? I actually almost started it, but I 1693 01:17:21.880 --> 01:17:26.880 wanted to wait. It's a French where this girl finds 1694 01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:30.180 a pterodactyl. It sort of looks like a Terry Gilliam 1695 01:17:30.220 --> 01:17:30.460 type movie. 1696 01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:31.020 Creationism. 1697 01:17:31.300 --> 01:17:32.090 We're back on Creationism. 1698 01:17:32.100 --> 01:17:34.390 This is so exciting. He's remaking Pre-Hysteria? 1699 01:17:34.470 --> 01:17:37.600 I'll look it up. But it's a Lucas Sun movie. 1700 01:17:37.659 --> 01:17:40.340 He comes out with just... He's so under the radar. 1701 01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:42.560 You don't even know that. 1702 01:17:42.380 --> 01:17:46.159 His movies are coming out. The sad thing is he's 1703 01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:46.840 doing Taken 3. 1704 01:17:46.819 --> 01:17:49.460 Oh, wow. 1705 01:17:50.060 --> 01:17:53.319 So he goes from things like The Big Blue and 1706 01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:56.829 then Le Femme Nikita, which is just... I saw that 1707 01:17:56.890 --> 01:18:01.470 movie in the theaters probably 20 times. I went back 1708 01:18:01.649 --> 01:18:04.130 again and again and again. I absolutely love that film. 1709 01:18:05.189 --> 01:18:08.329 And then he goes off and he does the professional 1710 01:18:08.470 --> 01:18:09.789 and then he goes off and does something. 1711 01:18:09.810 --> 01:18:12.529 Fifth Element. I like the Fifth Element. I like the 1712 01:18:12.590 --> 01:18:13.210 Fifth Element. 1713 01:18:13.229 --> 01:18:16.430 I think the Fifth Element is a fun movie. It's 1714 01:18:16.470 --> 01:18:21.270 a fun movie. Chris Tucker. Anytime you can stick Chris 1715 01:18:21.310 --> 01:18:22.010 Tucker in a film. 1716 01:18:22.270 --> 01:18:23.470 I'm going to watch it. 1717 01:18:23.869 --> 01:18:24.479 I'm going to watch it. 1718 01:18:24.489 --> 01:18:27.350 They went 15 years and didn't, so I mean. He's 1719 01:18:27.409 --> 01:18:29.170 just now coming back. 1720 01:18:29.229 --> 01:18:30.880 He's coming back, damn it. 1721 01:18:31.050 --> 01:18:32.850 He's in Lexington right now, I think, as we speak. 1722 01:18:33.380 --> 01:18:33.800 Is he really? 1723 01:18:33.819 --> 01:18:34.939 Yeah, in the comedy off-Broadway. 1724 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:37.159 I think he's fantastic. I love watching that guy. 1725

01:18:38.380 --> 01:18:44.310 He's sort of redeemed himself. Chris Tucker does really good. 1726 01:18:44.369 --> 01:18:47.609 I was amazed at how normal he could be and 1727 01:18:47.649 --> 01:18:49.329 yet still kind of deliver a good performance. 1728 01:18:49.460 --> 01:18:51.899 Chris tucker does what i think a good actor is 1729 01:18:51.939 --> 01:18:54.279 supposed to do which is make you forget what you're 1730 01:18:54.300 --> 01:18:57.420 doing you know i watch that guy and i just 1731 01:18:57.760 --> 01:19:00.979 am so mesmerized you know he just starts going on 1732 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:03.319 and on and it's like you were just a fascinating 1733 01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:05.359 guy i would love to talk to you over dinner 1734 01:19:05.390 --> 01:19:08.159 something he is something else Well. 1735 01:19:08.180 --> 01:19:10.760 The one, it's the Extraordinary Adventures of, it's like 2010, 1736 01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:12.220 Adele something. 1737 01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:13.899 No, I didn't know anything about that. 1738 01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:15.579 It started, and it looks really cool. 1739 01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:18.380 It's like most of his recent movies. What is he 1740 01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:18.859 doing now? 1741 01:19:18.899 --> 01:19:19.760 And most of his movies. 1742 01:19:19.779 --> 01:19:21.100 He's doing Taken 3. 1743 01:19:21.100 --> 01:19:22.600 Lucy is a movie that's coming out. 1744 01:19:23.699 --> 01:19:24.439 Which looks great. 1745 01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:25.279 Is that, what's her name? 1746 01:19:25.300 --> 01:19:26.819 That's the girl with your hands down. 1747 01:19:26.840 --> 01:19:27.880 Yeah, I saw the trailer for it yesterday. I think 1748 01:19:27.899 --> 01:19:28.840 she's like Drew Barrymore. 1749 01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:32.140 She's almost, they're both like inert people. Maybe that's what 1750 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:34.460 works to her benefit. I've come full. 1751 01:19:34.020 --> 01:19:37.470 Circle on her. She's a non-person. I've come totally around. 1752 01:19:37.569 --> 01:19:41.670 I went in with no expectations early on, especially as 1753 01:19:41.710 --> 01:19:44.270 she started becoming the hot chick that they just stuck 1754 01:19:44.310 --> 01:19:47.770 in any movie. These last five or six years, she 1755 01:19:47.810 --> 01:19:52.029 keeps turning in more solid performances. Sometimes in movies that 1756 01:19:52.050 --> 01:19:54.350 you wouldn't even expect her to have a good role. 1757 01:19:54.630 --> 01:19:58.949 I don't know. I think she's turning into a legit actress. 1758 01:19:59.350 --> 01:20:02.909 We're going to see this Oscar nominations thrown at her. 1759 01:20:03.010 --> 01:20:05.699 Maybe it's just Name recognition at this point, I don't know. 1760 01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:07.920 But I think she's turning in good work. 1761 01:20:07.939 --> 01:20:10.619 Well, the first thing I saw her in was Ghost World. 1762 01:20:11.340 --> 01:20:11.920 And she was great. 1763 01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:12.420 She was great. 1764 01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:13.380 Yeah, that was fantastic. 1765 01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:15.050 And what happened to Thor Birch? 1766 01:20:15.090 --> 01:20:19.710 Thor Birch, I actually... I love her. There was a 1767 01:20:19.869 --> 01:20:21.550 film that I was working on not too long ago 1768 01:20:21.590 --> 01:20:25.869 where we contacted Thor's... management oh cool yeah so she 1769 01:20:26.069 --> 01:20:28.550 she ended up she was attached to another project. 1770 01:20:28.229 --> 01:20:30.630 And couldn't do it but i haven't heard anything. 1771 01:20:30.289 --> 01:20:33.850 Yeah she's she's doing i mean she's doing what so 1772 01:20:33.949 --> 01:20:36.670 many actors in hollywood do which is they just take 1773 01:20:36.710 --> 01:20:39.260 work to work they've got to keep their sag car 1774 01:20:39.270 --> 01:20:42.739 they've got to keep their insurance so she's doing she's 1775 01:20:42.779 --> 01:20:45.239 doing as much as she can um you know and 1776 01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:48.039 unfortunately the the project that we threw at her just 1777 01:20:48.079 --> 01:20:51.899 kind of overlapped with something else and so Didn't work out. But, yeah, 1778 01:20:52.029 --> 01:20:54.470 she's game and was really friendly and willing to look 1779 01:20:54.489 --> 01:20:58.229 at the script and great agent. I mean, fantastic agent. 1780 01:20:58.250 --> 01:21:02.210 The guy was, you know, so easy to deal with. So, yeah. 1781 01:21:02.710 --> 01:21:03.170 Dora Birch. 1782 01:21:03.390 --> 01:21:03.810 Dora Birch. 1783 01:21:03.829 --> 01:21:04.489 We're on our set. 1784 01:21:04.529 --> 01:21:04.729 Fun. 1785 01:21:05.369 --> 01:21:05.550 Cool. 1786 01:21:05.569 --> 01:21:06.550 Yeah, fan. I'm a fan. 1787 01:21:06.569 --> 01:21:07.210 All right. 1788 01:21:07.229 --> 01:21:07.649 American Beauty. 1789 01:21:07.850 --> 01:21:09.390 You all like Dora Birch? 1790 01:21:09.430 --> 01:21:11.390 I think I've only seen her in that and Ghost World. 1791 01:21:12.270 --> 01:21:12.930 I don't know what else. 1792 01:21:14.449 --> 01:21:15.489 She's done a lot of good stuff. 1793 01:21:15.529 --> 01:21:17.270 She was in Present Danger when she was a kid. Oh, 1794 01:21:17.300 --> 01:21:17.800 that's right. 1795 01:21:17.810 --> 01:21:17.989 Yeah. 1796 01:21:19.180 --> 01:21:20.039 Boy, I pulled that out. 1797 01:21:20.060 --> 01:21:22.310 It's impressive. 1798 01:21:22.470 --> 01:21:24.130 I do that all the time. 1799 01:21:24.970 --> 01:21:25.470 There you go. 1800 01:21:25.590 --> 01:21:27.109 And it frightens people. Wasn't he in that Dungeons and 1801 01:21:27.130 --> 01:21:30.420 Dragons movie, too? Yeah. I think so. That was like 1802 01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:31.479 their big name. 1803 01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:32.140 Yeah, yeah. 1804 01:21:32.180 --> 01:21:33.600 That was their big name. That was their big name. 1805 01:21:33.619 --> 01:21:34.939 That was right after American Beauty. 1806 01:21:35.020 --> 01:21:35.430

Mm-hmm. 1807 01:21:35.449 --> 01:21:38.979 Yeah. That's like having Michael Madsen as your big name. 1808 01:21:39.579 --> 01:21:42.390 And Michael Madsen as the beaver. 1809 01:21:42.649 --> 01:21:45.390 Alright. 1810 01:21:45.409 --> 01:21:52.369 How about the Paltros with a very popular actress these days. Man, 1811 01:21:52.390 --> 01:21:54.949 she needs to stop talking to the press. She really does. 1812 01:21:54.989 --> 01:21:56.939 She just digs the hole deeper every time. 1813 01:21:57.140 --> 01:21:57.600 What happened? 1814 01:21:59.979 --> 01:22:03.180 Well, she, as a Hollywood mother, has it a little 1815 01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:08.579 harder than most working mothers. Oh, that's I was like, Gwyneth, Gwyneth, really? 1816 01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:10.979 Just go back to uncoupling or whatever it is you're 1817 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:14.159 doing right now because just stop talking to people. You're 1818 01:22:14.180 --> 01:22:14.720 making it worse. 1819 01:22:14.859 --> 01:22:17.270 Oh, that's right. Yeah, she's uncoupling with her. 1820 01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:17.829 She's uncoupling. 1821 01:22:18.329 --> 01:22:23.829 Her other hardworking, famous person, husband thing. Well, didn't they 1822 01:22:23.850 --> 01:22:24.609 name their kid Apple? 1823 01:22:25.250 --> 01:22:27.649 Yeah, there's an Apple. So let's go into this a 1824 01:22:27.649 --> 01:22:31.960 little deeper. Let's get. I haven't read these reports because 1825 01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:35.319 I generally avoid anything that has to do with Gwyneth. 1826 01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:38.649 paltrow so i'd like to learn more about this please go. 1827 01:22:38.909 --> 01:22:41.930 On um details i mean that was the one that 1828 01:22:42.050 --> 01:22:44.270 most recently got her in trouble as she was just 1829 01:22:44.329 --> 01:22:46.850 making some sort of comment on how it's hard when 1830 01:22:46.890 --> 01:22:50.300 you know you have to go off and be gone 1831 01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:52.579 for a couple of weeks from your children for once 1832 01:22:52.659 --> 01:22:56.680 a year you know most working mothers in america were 1833 01:22:56.739 --> 01:22:59.420 kind of outraged by that like every day of our 1834 01:22:59.460 --> 01:23:02.250 lives we do this and we don't make multi-millions of 1835 01:23:02.289 --> 01:23:05.640 dollars for the job that we're doing so yeah She 1836 01:23:05.649 --> 01:23:08.819 kind of probably shouldn't have said that. And that was 1837 01:23:08.920 --> 01:23:09.319 after the end. 1838 01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:11.340 Of the couple. This is in the same category as 1839 01:23:11.420 --> 01:23:13.119 Drew Barrymore's Heart-Shaped Book. 1840 01:23:14.100 --> 01:23:15.119 I think they should say these things. 1841 01:23:15.140 --> 01:23:17.100 Well, she did just do a book, didn't she? 1842 01:23:17.119 --> 01:23:19.520 Some sort of home... Or she's definitely got her website 1843 01:23:19.539 --> 01:23:21.220 that she wants to be Martha Stewart. 1844 01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:23.390 Good, let's send her to jail. 1845 01:23:23.590 --> 01:23:25.270 Appeal to, like, working moms. 1846 01:23:25.289 --> 01:23:28.069 That could be a range, if you have the connection. 1847 01:23:28.090 --> 01:23:29.090 Gwyneth, you're in. 1848 01:23:30.189 --> 01:23:31.109 Hollywood jail. 1849 01:23:31.229 --> 01:23:31.510 Cell C. 1850 01:23:31.529 --> 01:23:31.770 Sorry. 1851 01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:36.380 Nanny can't come. 1852 01:23:37.420 --> 01:23:38.899 But yeah, I mean, we're going to have to contend 1853 01:23:38.939 --> 01:23:42.430 with those children. I mean, we just have to deal 1854 01:23:42.470 --> 01:23:43.270 with the inevitability. 1855 01:23:43.289 --> 01:23:45.569 Something is going to be starring Apple, is what you're saying. 1856 01:23:45.590 --> 01:23:48.470 Yeah, that Apple Martin will be. 1857 01:23:48.489 --> 01:23:53.409 Okay, if we're working backwards, what do we think about Blythe? 1858 01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:57.300 Is she going downhill then? Blythe was actually a good actress, 1859 01:23:57.399 --> 01:24:00.470 and now Gwyneth is not holding up her own. 1860 01:24:02.109 --> 01:24:04.880 Blythe is a working actress and that's and always. 1861 01:24:04.659 --> 01:24:07.359 Kind of and working with osteoporosis bless her heart yeah 1862 01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:11.579 yeah there you go based on those commercials so she's. 1863 01:24:11.460 --> 01:24:17.500 I work with allergies if that means anything to anybody 1864 01:24:17.579 --> 01:24:21.470 I have horrible seasonal allergies but you don't see me 1865 01:24:21.510 --> 01:24:25.729 on a commercial good town no I think Blythe I 1866 01:24:25.770 --> 01:24:29.350 think Blythe is just she's just a working actress who 1867 01:24:29.510 --> 01:24:32.550 fills the role and it's like You know her name, 1868 01:24:32.569 --> 01:24:34.590 I think, because of Gwyneth. 1869 01:24:35.930 --> 01:24:37.770 These days, well, that's what I was going to say. 1870 01:24:37.810 --> 01:24:39.729 That's one of those examples of, like, whether or not 1871 01:24:39.770 --> 01:24:44.170 you think talent-wise, definitely popularity and just money-wise, she became 1872 01:24:44.229 --> 01:24:47.409 a much bigger star than her mother ever was. 1873 01:24:47.449 --> 01:24:48.250 Yeah, yeah. 1874 01:24:49.210 --> 01:24:51.829 So then we can go to Angelina Jolie. 1875 01:24:52.970 --> 01:24:53.569 Oh, my gosh. 1876 01:24:54.090 --> 01:24:57.810 Much bigger star these days because John turns in some 1877 01:24:57.850 --> 01:24:59.279 scary performances now. 1878 01:24:59.500 --> 01:25:00.460 He was great in Anaconda. 1879 01:25:01.069 --> 01:25:05.329 Yeah, see? That's his best work. Then a little down, 1880 01:25:05.350 --> 01:25:07.729 you know, Midnight Cowboy, but mostly Anaconda. 1881 01:25:08.489 --> 01:25:11.329 I just realized something. I'm sorry, I'm totally changing the subject. 1882 01:25:11.350 --> 01:25:14.810 I'm actually going back two steps. I was

thinking about 1883 01:25:14.850 --> 01:25:17.270 Gwyneth Paltrow and the phenomenon of Gwyneth Paltrow, and I 1884 01:25:17.300 --> 01:25:20.500 was thinking about Drew Barrymore and the phenomenon of Drew Barrymore, 1885 01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:25.460 because it's not entirely dissimilar. They come from working parents 1886 01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:28.960 who were in the industry but who didn't experience wild success. 1887 01:25:29.649 --> 01:25:33.520 necessarily in terms of fame um and then i realized 1888 01:25:33.529 --> 01:25:36.680 what the common thread is steven spielberg was both of 1889 01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:41.699 their godfathers that's the trick really yeah. 1890 01:25:41.779 --> 01:25:44.300 Yeah so spielberg is to blame. 1891 01:25:44.079 --> 01:25:47.560 Yeah pretty much way to go steven yeah he just 1892 01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:49.119 cast them both as kids. 1893 01:25:48.859 --> 01:25:51.020 What did what did gwyneth paltrow do young. 1894 01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:56.430 She did hook started it all oh yeah. 1895 01:25:58.029 --> 01:25:59.670 That was like 90. When was that? 1896 01:26:00.510 --> 01:26:01.970 I don't know. 1897 01:26:02.010 --> 01:26:02.550 Back there. 1898 01:26:02.550 --> 01:26:02.829 93? 1899 01:26:02.829 --> 01:26:05.289 Was it 93? How old is she? 1900 01:26:06.770 --> 01:26:08.369 She's like 40 now, right? 1901 01:26:08.810 --> 01:26:09.270 Ancient. 1902 01:26:09.439 --> 01:26:10.569 She's old enough to know better. 1903 01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:12.399 Born in 74, so she was a teenager. 1904 01:26:12.420 --> 01:26:14.819 Old enough to know better. 1905 01:26:15.060 --> 01:26:18.800 But yeah, so I guess the moral of the story 1906 01:26:18.819 --> 01:26:21.000 is if you want your kid to be successful in Hollywood, 1907 01:26:21.020 --> 01:26:23.420 you just make Steven Spielberg the godfather, which I don't 1908 01:26:23.439 --> 01:26:24.739 think is a title you can turn down. 1909 01:26:24.810 --> 01:26:25.710 I'll see what I can do. 1910 01:26:25.729 --> 01:26:29.119 Yeah. What, you mean Steven can't turn down B & S? 1911 01:26:29.500 --> 01:26:31.199 I don't think you can, can you? I mean, you 1912 01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:33.399 just sort of appoint somebody, don't you? I don't know 1913 01:26:33.430 --> 01:26:34.430 how it works. I don't have kids. 1914 01:26:34.710 --> 01:26:35.670 I would think they'd have to agree. 1915 01:26:35.689 --> 01:26:36.869 I'll report back to you. 1916 01:26:37.369 --> 01:26:38.989 I don't know if you can do it at gunpoint 1917 01:26:39.069 --> 01:26:39.590 or anything. 1918 01:26:40.430 --> 01:26:43.000 Did you hear how, was it C. Thomas Howells, is 1919 01:26:43.020 --> 01:26:43.460 that his name? 1920 01:26:43.859 --> 01:26:44.079 Yeah. 1921 01:26:44.159 --> 01:26:46.260 He was an EET, and that's how he got, he 1922 01:26:46.500 --> 01:26:48.680 started his career. He was a stunt kid. 1923 01:26:48.699 --> 01:26:48.899 Yeah. 1924 01:26:49.010 --> 01:26:49.430 Was he really? 1925 01:26:49.449 --> 01:26:50.710 That's how he got into the movie. He was a 1926 01:26:50.729 --> 01:26:53.539 stunt kid for the bikes, for the bike scene. And 1927 01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:55.819 then he liked his presence, apparently, so he's like, why 1928 01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:56.770 don't you just be in the movie? 1929 01:26:57.800 --> 01:26:58.500 He was on the show. 1930 01:26:58.539 --> 01:27:00.159 And that's how he told us that. 1931 01:27:00.340 --> 01:27:01.239 Maybe that's where I heard it. 1932 01:27:01.270 --> 01:27:01.600 Probably. 1933 01:27:01.659 --> 01:27:03.550 So it all comes back around. 1934 01:27:03.609 --> 01:27:06.949 Isn't that crazy? His dad was a stuntman, and he 1935 01:27:07.170 --> 01:27:09.350 started learning from him, and he was the only kid 1936 01:27:09.390 --> 01:27:11.369 who could ride a bike and do the stunts. The 1937 01:27:11.409 --> 01:27:13.850 other kids were all actors, so that's how he ended 1938 01:27:13.899 --> 01:27:15.060 up being one of the kids on the bike, is 1939 01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:17.119 because he could do the jumps or whatever they had 1940 01:27:17.159 --> 01:27:19.340 to do over stuff, because he knew how to do them. 1941 01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:21.079 And he was probably, what, 15 or 16 then? 1942 01:27:21.100 --> 01:27:22.840 Something like that, yeah. He was pretty young. 1943 01:27:23.359 --> 01:27:24.979 What all, he did the hitcher, and then. 1944 01:27:25.609 --> 01:27:27.189 He's done quite a bit. 1945 01:27:27.270 --> 01:27:29.010 He's an outsider. 1946 01:27:29.329 --> 01:27:30.829 Soul man. 1947 01:27:31.850 --> 01:27:36.340 Oh my god. We don't talk about that. The amazing Spider-Man. 1948 01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:41.460 We'll go with something more recent. He has a small 1949 01:27:41.479 --> 01:27:43.659 part in the newer first one. 1950 01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:44.239 I haven't seen that. 1951 01:27:45.140 --> 01:27:47.239 I don't love it. What's that? 1952 01:27:47.380 --> 01:27:49.100 I don't love it. I don't love that guy. 1953 01:27:50.180 --> 01:27:51.039 Is Sam Raimi done then? 1954 01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:53.960 He's no Spidey. He's been done. 1955 01:27:53.979 --> 01:27:55.279 I love Ponyboy. 1956 01:27:55.680 --> 01:27:57.659 No, not Ponyboy. I like him. I was talking about 1957 01:27:57.680 --> 01:27:58.380 the new Spider-Man. 1958 01:27:58.500 --> 01:27:58.840 Oh, okay. 1959 01:27:58.859 --> 01:28:01.359 Yeah, I don't like Andrew Garfield. He seems like a jerk. 1960 01:28:02.260 --> 01:28:05.779 I kind of like him. You like breaking small, sick 1961 01:28:05.850 --> 01:28:07.050 children's hearts, but I mean. 1962 01:28:08.659 --> 01:28:10.090 You heard the Oscars story, right? 1963 01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:10.590 Do tell. 1964 01:28:10.710 --> 01:28:12.529 Let's go ahead and I want to hear this. 1965 01:28:12.590 --> 01:28:15.130 The little kid who's the little kid Batman on YouTube 1966 01:28:15.270 --> 01:28:15.630 that like. 1967 01:28:15.689 --> 01:28:16.270

Oh, I love that. 1968 01:28:16.569 --> 01:28:19.210 Yeah, that kid. They were supposed to bring him out 1969 01:28:19.310 --> 01:28:21.949 at the Oscars and he was going to present with 1970 01:28:22.029 --> 01:28:23.750 the new Spider-Man and they were going to have some 1971 01:28:23.789 --> 01:28:27.090 sort of superhero banter. And it got to the point, like, 1972 01:28:27.109 --> 01:28:30.460 the night of, the kid showed up, and Andrew Garfield 1973 01:28:30.460 --> 01:28:33.449 decided he didn't like the text that they'd given him, 1974 01:28:33.449 --> 01:28:34.390 and he said, I'm. 1975 01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:34.949 Not doing it. 1976 01:28:34.949 --> 01:28:37.369 And he screwed over the Bat Kid, and Bat Kid 1977 01:28:37.369 --> 01:28:38.800 didn't get to do anything. 1978 01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:39.649 Oh, that's awful. 1979 01:28:39.649 --> 01:28:41.979 They brought on some other people at the last minute 1980 01:28:42.020 --> 01:28:44.840 to fill the hole in the show. Way to go, 1981 01:28:44.920 --> 01:28:45.939 Andrew Garfield. 1982 01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:47.720 Okay, I clearly didn't know that story. 1983 01:28:47.739 --> 01:28:50.579 What a jerk. I mean, I didn't like his performance anyway, 1984 01:28:50.619 --> 01:28:52.899 but after that, I'm like, okay. He didn't like the text. 1985 01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:56.159 Whatever stupid banter they'd written for him, he didn't approve 1986 01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:58.060 of it, and so he totally pulled out of the 1987 01:28:58.119 --> 01:28:59.279 entire appearance. 1988 01:28:59.300 --> 01:28:59.460 Wow. 1989 01:29:00.090 --> 01:29:03.369 Is what they were reporting. And I'm like, that's kind 1990 01:29:03.390 --> 01:29:05.810 of a dick move. Like even just to like screw 1991 01:29:05.850 --> 01:29:08.149 them over in the structure of the show. That's uncool. 1992 01:29:08.470 --> 01:29:10.550 Let alone the small child that you're. 1993 01:29:12.010 --> 01:29:15.600 So when, when you're, when you work in, in this 1994 01:29:15.649 --> 01:29:18.659 industry or, or any kind of industry where you put 1995 01:29:18.680 --> 01:29:24.180 yourself out there, your image is, you know, it's a commodity. 1996 01:29:24.279 --> 01:29:26.720 It's what you're, it's what you're selling. It's what you're selling. 1997 01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:29.399 So you always kind of have to temper what you say. 1998 01:29:30.350 --> 01:29:32.720 If you're smart. If you're smart. 1999 01:29:35.119 --> 01:29:40.159 So I can definitely see the need to edit text, 2000 01:29:41.649 --> 01:29:44.369 but you've got to wonder which is worse, saying what 2001 01:29:44.390 --> 01:29:47.409 he's been given or screwing over the crippled kid. 2002 01:29:47.670 --> 01:29:50.649 And, like, it was on the Oscars. All of the 2003 01:29:50.710 --> 01:29:54.579 banter is dumb. It's not like they specifically gave you 2004 01:29:54.619 --> 01:29:56.899 something stupid. It's usually pretty bad. 2005 01:29:56.930 --> 01:29:57.960 I don't think you wrote it. 2006 01:29:58.020 --> 01:30:00.090 Did you see the pizza bit? Like, it went on 2007 01:30:00.170 --> 01:30:03.750 all night. It wasn't funny. Like, they always write stupid stuff. Like, 2008 01:30:03.869 --> 01:30:05.890 just go along with it. That's why you're there. It's 2009 01:30:05.949 --> 01:30:07.350 the Oscars. That's what it does. 2010 01:30:07.369 --> 01:30:09.390 Which I would love to see an Oscar show that 2011 01:30:09.569 --> 01:30:15.300 lasts 46 minutes. Just here, here, here. Take these and 2012 01:30:15.310 --> 01:30:18.819 get out of here. Yeah, yeah. All right. Best supporting actress. 2013 01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:20.840 Best cinematography. 2014 01:30:20.859 --> 01:30:22.420 It would be nice to kind of drill it down. 2015 01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:23.699 To just meat and potatoes. 2016 01:30:23.800 --> 01:30:24.039 Yeah. 2017 01:30:25.210 --> 01:30:26.090 They should be long. 2018 01:30:26.390 --> 01:30:28.350 Yeah, I could watch the 10-hour Oscars. Honestly, I know 2019 01:30:28.569 --> 01:30:30.869 you're kidding, but I really could. I think it's so 2020 01:30:30.909 --> 01:30:31.390 much fun. 2021 01:30:31.409 --> 01:30:31.739 I love it. 2022 01:30:31.770 --> 01:30:32.850 I'm sad when it's over. 2023 01:30:32.909 --> 01:30:35.859 I think they just do it stupid. Because again, they 2024 01:30:35.880 --> 01:30:37.779 put so many stupid bits in there, but they won't 2025 01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:40.840 show us the Lifetime Achievement Awards. That part pisses me 2026 01:30:40.899 --> 01:30:43.039 off every year now. I'm just like, here's these awesome 2027 01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:45.810 people that have been working their entire lives to get 2028 01:30:45.850 --> 01:30:48.489 this award. Here's a shot of them from two weeks 2029 01:30:48.529 --> 01:30:51.590 ago when we did this. And now another stupid, wacky 2030 01:30:51.649 --> 01:30:52.409 skit that we put together. 2031 01:30:52.470 --> 01:30:52.630 I agree. 2032 01:30:52.649 --> 01:30:53.750 I think there's way too much fluff in it. 2033 01:30:54.369 --> 01:30:56.310 I mean, that's not this year. That was every year. 2034 01:30:56.789 --> 01:30:59.270 But they do that every year now. That's not important. 2035 01:30:59.310 --> 01:31:01.729 I'm like, but you're an award show. That is what 2036 01:31:01.770 --> 01:31:02.329 you're here to do. 2037 01:31:02.409 --> 01:31:04.109 I don't know. 2038 01:31:04.130 --> 01:31:06.850 They just go about it wrong in a lot of ways. 2039 01:31:06.970 --> 01:31:09.689 But I still like it in a sick way. 2040 01:31:09.989 --> 01:31:12.550 I love how the Golden Globes are awesome because they're 2041 01:31:12.569 --> 01:31:15.369 still doing that. And I kind of hadn't noticed that 2042 01:31:15.390 --> 01:31:17.989 the Oscars don't do that anymore, the Lifetime Achievements. But 2043 01:31:18.029 --> 01:31:20.149 I guess is that why the Golden Globes are finding 2044 01:31:20.189 --> 01:31:22.920 crazier and crazier people to

put on stage for the 2045 01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:25.350 Lifetime Achievements? Because it's getting really awesome. 2046 01:31:25.649 --> 01:31:26.250 Maybe so. 2047 01:31:26.329 --> 01:31:26.569 Yeah. 2048 01:31:26.949 --> 01:31:28.090 And they're all drunk. Yeah. 2049 01:31:28.689 --> 01:31:31.609 Like, let's see, we had Jodie Foster last time. She 2050 01:31:31.649 --> 01:31:34.710 was crazy. Who can we get that's even crazier? 2051 01:31:36.010 --> 01:31:39.609 Harry Dean Stanley. They should give him an award. 2052 01:31:40.310 --> 01:31:41.689 They should give him an award. I agree. 2053 01:31:42.449 --> 01:31:42.770 They should. 2054 01:31:43.430 --> 01:31:44.770 He's never even been to the Oscars. 2055 01:31:46.210 --> 01:31:48.210 He doesn't leave the house much. 2056 01:31:48.229 --> 01:31:54.260 Well, the whole reason these award shows exist is... it's 2057 01:31:54.300 --> 01:31:57.500 all publicity. It's all getting your name out there. And 2058 01:31:57.520 --> 01:32:00.399 that's what their job is. When they're not acting, in 2059 01:32:00.420 --> 01:32:03.500 between action and cut, their job is to promote their image. 2060 01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:05.359 That's what they have to do. 2061 01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:06.779 To maintain their image. 2062 01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:10.149 To maintain their image. Promote and maintain. Promote and maintain. 2063 01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:16.289 That's their whole life. Gosh, what an awful, awful existence. 2064 01:32:16.310 --> 01:32:18.510 And to be a mother on top of that, just 2065 01:32:18.550 --> 01:32:18.970 has to be rough. 2066 01:32:19.010 --> 01:32:20.430 That's gotta be so hard. 2067 01:32:20.689 --> 01:32:20.909 Man. 2068 01:32:20.970 --> 01:32:21.909 It's gotta be hard. 2069 01:32:22.050 --> 01:32:25.270 If only she had like, A job and a part-time. 2070 01:32:24.850 --> 01:32:25.550 Job on top of that. 2071 01:32:25.569 --> 01:32:28.789 Which summer home do you go to? There isn't a 2072 01:32:28.850 --> 01:32:31.350 coin with enough sides to flip. It's like, okay, I'm 2073 01:32:31.369 --> 01:32:31.770 going to go. 2074 01:32:32.710 --> 01:32:35.069 It's like you're playing D & D with a 20-sided die. 2075 01:32:35.109 --> 01:32:36.220 Which one do I go to? 2076 01:32:36.229 --> 01:32:39.729 Go to 17. Do you remember where 17 is? 2077 01:32:41.050 --> 01:32:45.600 Is that the castle? I don't remember. We do need 2078 01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:46.029 to number them. 2079 01:32:46.060 --> 01:32:51.800 That's the space station. 2080 01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:57.609 How about the Carradines? That's quite a clan. No good feelings. 2081 01:32:57.630 --> 01:32:59.310 So next. 2082 01:33:00.489 --> 01:33:01.880 Not even John? Come on. 2083 01:33:01.899 --> 01:33:04.159 I don't know. 2084 01:33:05.500 --> 01:33:06.479 No, you can't. 2085 01:33:07.539 --> 01:33:10.520 When I think of Carradine, I think of picking up 2086 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:14.100 a hot pot of oil with my forearms. That's what 2087

01:33:14.119 --> 01:33:16.380 I think of when I think of Carradine. It's forever 2088 01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:18.659 emblazoned in my mind. I'll never get rid of that. 2089 01:33:19.359 --> 01:33:22.210 I have to say, Robert Carradine was very nice to us. 2090 01:33:22.970 --> 01:33:25.069 He stopped by of his own free will at some 2091 01:33:25.109 --> 01:33:27.770 point and, like, did a, just randomly came over to 2092 01:33:27.789 --> 01:33:30.529 our table and said, hey, guys, what are you doing? And, like, 2093 01:33:30.569 --> 01:33:32.989 did a promo for us and then wandered off. 2094 01:33:33.390 --> 01:33:37.609 Speaking of promos, April 29th on PBS Frontline, Prison State. 2095 01:33:37.930 --> 01:33:40.789 13th through 15th, Harry Dean's Dance Fest, Lexington, Kentucky. 2096 01:33:40.810 --> 01:33:41.899 You guys are doing the promos now. 2097 01:33:42.270 --> 01:33:45.649 And please to meet me out on iTunes exclusive. 2098 01:33:46.029 --> 01:33:49.609 Neither pitched River Meltdown, which is what he was doing. 2099 01:33:49.710 --> 01:33:51.689 So he's a little cooler, just saying. 2100 01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:55.220 As heard on Movie Meltdown. 2101 01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:56.840 All right. At least as long as we get that 2102 01:33:56.880 --> 01:33:57.140 in there. 2103 01:33:57.760 --> 01:33:59.680 This is random, but I always think Scott Glenn is 2104 01:33:59.739 --> 01:34:02.039 a Carradine brother. I don't know why. 2105 01:34:02.060 --> 01:34:03.659 Because he kind of looks like him? Yeah. 2106 01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:05.470 Whenever I think of the Carradines, I always think of him. 2107 01:34:05.479 --> 01:34:07.550 I was like, oh, he was in some really great movies, 2108 01:34:07.560 --> 01:34:08.100 but he's not a Carradine. 2109 01:34:08.119 --> 01:34:09.279 I can't get over his veins. 2110 01:34:09.970 --> 01:34:10.390 Scott Glenn. 2111 01:34:10.409 --> 01:34:15.390 Guy's got some veins, man. Dude has some major vascular problems. 2112 01:34:16.189 --> 01:34:19.310 Okay, what about the hidden Carradine, Martha Plimpton? 2113 01:34:20.630 --> 01:34:21.250 She's a Carradine? 2114 01:34:22.100 --> 01:34:23.840 I don't think I realized that until recently. 2115 01:34:23.859 --> 01:34:24.060 Oh, wow. 2116 01:34:24.090 --> 01:34:26.289 Somebody was just telling me that, and it's on the 2117 01:34:26.329 --> 01:34:27.350 list here. She's fantastic. 2118 01:34:27.390 --> 01:34:28.170 It makes sense now. 2119 01:34:28.409 --> 01:34:28.630 Yeah. 2120 01:34:30.350 --> 01:34:32.909 Because she also was connected to Steven Spielberg as a child. 2121 01:34:33.170 --> 01:34:33.750 In the Goonies. 2122 01:34:33.909 --> 01:34:36.170 In the Goonies. It's all about Spielberg. 2123 01:34:36.250 --> 01:34:37.229 Apparently. 2124 01:34:37.439 --> 01:34:40.180 That's how you get that sweet sitcom deal she's got now. 2125 01:34:41.220 --> 01:34:47.579 In Parenthood, could you ever picture her with, what's his name? Ted. 2126 01:34:48.300 --> 01:34:48.680 Or Bill. 2127 01:34:48.979 --> 01:34:49.220 Ted. 2128 01:34:49.850 --> 01:34:49.939 Oh. 2129 01:34:50.619 --> 01:34:52.050 Keanu Reeves. 2130 01:34:52.109 --> 01:34:55.810 Our favorite actor, Keanu Reeves. Again, to me, that's one 2131 01:34:55.829 --> 01:34:57.850 of those roles that I'm like, see, every once in 2132 01:34:57.869 --> 01:35:01.590 a while, it's the perfect casting. He is perfect in Parenthood. 2133 01:35:01.630 --> 01:35:02.529 He is perfect in Parenthood. 2134 01:35:02.550 --> 01:35:04.050 He is exactly what you needed in that role. 2135 01:35:04.069 --> 01:35:07.109 But he is that character in Parenthood in every single 2136 01:35:07.149 --> 01:35:07.909 movie he's ever done. 2137 01:35:08.189 --> 01:35:11.350 But sometimes it works. Because River's Edge is a good movie. 2138 01:35:11.399 --> 01:35:11.689 Yeah. 2139 01:35:12.270 --> 01:35:13.180 And that worked. 2140 01:35:13.229 --> 01:35:14.939 Again, he's the same dumb kid. 2141 01:35:15.420 --> 01:35:20.609 But it worked. It's knowing how to play... dumb Keanu Reeves. 2142 01:35:20.649 --> 01:35:21.600 My own private Idaho. 2143 01:35:21.619 --> 01:35:23.460 I think he's just playing himself. 2144 01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:24.239 God bless him. 2145 01:35:24.300 --> 01:35:24.640 Yeah. 2146 01:35:25.180 --> 01:35:27.979 But occasionally, like, I don't know, every once in a while. 2147 01:35:28.159 --> 01:35:32.180 I was amazed when The Gift, he plays a drunken 2148 01:35:32.239 --> 01:35:34.699 redneck really good, which makes me think maybe there's something 2149 01:35:34.720 --> 01:35:35.000 in there. 2150 01:35:35.239 --> 01:35:37.600 That's Sam Raimi, isn't it? Yeah. I actually might see 2151 01:35:37.619 --> 01:35:37.899 that now. 2152 01:35:38.279 --> 01:35:38.539 Okay. 2153 01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:40.319 I saw that he was in that, but that's what 2154 01:35:40.359 --> 01:35:41.069 kept me from watching it. 2155 01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:44.779 It's so not Ted. It is not the normal performance 2156 01:35:44.819 --> 01:35:45.500 you get out of him. 2157 01:35:45.539 --> 01:35:48.819 And then there was the shake, much ado about nothing, right? 2158 01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:49.930 Yeah. 2159 01:35:50.189 --> 01:35:52.029 I heard he was actually, I haven't seen it yet, 2160 01:35:52.069 --> 01:35:55.409 but I've, I was surprised, like, okay, Shakespeare and Counter, 2161 01:35:55.449 --> 01:35:57.890 that's where I really, that's quite a leap, but. 2162 01:35:58.949 --> 01:36:00.409 All right, we mentioned the Brolins. 2163 01:36:00.869 --> 01:36:02.439 How about the Hanks, the Hanks family? 2164 01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:03.279 The Hanks, yeah. 2165 01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:05.039 Colin Hanks. See, that was one I was going with 2166 01:36:05.060 --> 01:36:07.119 my example. They're doing it well. Colin Hanks is a 2167 01:36:07.300 --> 01:36:08.159 good actor. 2168 01:36:08.180 --> 01:36:10.239 But I feel like that's the example of, I don't 2169 01:36:10.279 -->

01:36:13.100 know if you will ever get out of your dad's shadow. Like, 2170 01:36:13.119 --> 01:36:16.640 he's a good actor, but. Especially since Tom's still kind 2171 01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:20.050 of knocking them out and getting Oscar caliber movies. So 2172 01:36:20.090 --> 01:36:21.689 I don't know. It's like I don't know that Colin 2173 01:36:21.710 --> 01:36:24.489 will ever be seen as Colin. He will always be, oh, 2174 01:36:24.510 --> 01:36:27.289 there's Tom Hanks' son for his entire career. 2175 01:36:27.350 --> 01:36:28.590 I never look at him that way. 2176 01:36:28.770 --> 01:36:29.409 Yeah, I don't either. 2177 01:36:29.909 --> 01:36:32.300 Ever. Band of Brothers, totally held his own. 2178 01:36:32.359 --> 01:36:34.939 Two of you. Everyone else at home, think about how 2179 01:36:34.979 --> 01:36:35.699 you feel about him. 2180 01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:37.340 Orange County, totally held his own. 2181 01:36:38.199 --> 01:36:40.819 He's pretty fun in Orange County. Not bad on Dexter. 2182 01:36:40.859 --> 01:36:42.760 That was not a great season, but he was good. 2183 01:36:42.800 --> 01:36:46.539 No, not a great season, but yeah, still very good. Yeah, 2184 01:36:46.560 --> 01:36:51.020 he does. Now, I'd like to see the Rhea Perlman, 2185 01:36:51.100 --> 01:36:52.010 Danny DeVito. 2186 01:36:52.890 --> 01:36:54.569 The super baby that will be. 2187 01:36:54.590 --> 01:36:57.069 That's right. I'd like to see that dynasty. 2188 01:36:57.090 --> 01:36:58.149 Didn't they just get divorced? 2189 01:36:58.949 --> 01:37:00.890 Hopefully not before producing Offspring. 2190 01:37:01.689 --> 01:37:03.750 I think they did. I think they're actually just now. 2191 01:37:03.770 --> 01:37:06.210 They did. But I think her baby-making years are well 2192 01:37:06.250 --> 01:37:07.029 behind her. 2193 01:37:07.090 --> 01:37:07.689 Nuh-uh. 2194 01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:11.720 Medical science. 2195 01:37:11.739 --> 01:37:14.659 There's still hope for me and Rhea Perlman, right? 2196 01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:16.739 I don't think, have we verified if they have or 2197 01:37:16.770 --> 01:37:17.569 have not had children? 2198 01:37:17.590 --> 01:37:18.369 I thought they did. 2199 01:37:18.390 --> 01:37:20.649 I think they did, and their child is Ron Perlman. 2200 01:37:20.850 --> 01:37:25.630 It's the craziest thing. I don't know how that happened. 2201 01:37:25.710 --> 01:37:27.529 It would be Hellboy. It's like Mark. 2202 01:37:27.470 --> 01:37:30.300 And Mindy aging back. 2203 01:37:30.939 --> 01:37:32.779 But he did, you know, he didn't want to go 2204 01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:35.520 with Dad's, you know, name, so he tried to pull 2205 01:37:35.539 --> 01:37:36.340 his sheen, you know. 2206 01:37:41.060 --> 01:37:43.539 Now, he actually, he did not go into acting. He 2207 01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:45.899 went into, he's a gang leader now. 2208 01:37:48.510 --> 01:37:48.890 Alrighty. 2209 01:37:49.010 --> 01:37:49.750 Oh, that's fictional? 2210 01:37:50.289 --> 01:37:51.449 No, that's a documentary. 2211 01:37:51.470 --> 01:37:53.590 Documentary. 2212 01:37:55.529 --> 01:37:58.449 The Baldwins. The beloved Baldwin clan. Too easy. 2213 01:37:58.470 --> 01:38:01.340 There's the Wahlbergs, too. 2214 01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:04.119 Alec came back around. People like him again, even though 2215 01:38:04.140 --> 01:38:04.500 he's a dick. 2216 01:38:04.560 --> 01:38:06.920 I think we dislike him again now, actually. We just 2217 01:38:06.939 --> 01:38:09.199 kind of like him. I think we don't like him anymore. 2218 01:38:09.220 --> 01:38:10.779 Did you see Seduced and Abandoned? 2219 01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:11.500 No. 2220 01:38:11.699 --> 01:38:12.119 What is that? 2221 01:38:12.140 --> 01:38:17.439 Seduced and Abandoned, James Tobeck and Alec Baldwin. It's a documentary. 2222 01:38:17.899 --> 01:38:21.170 I'm never very good at figuring out how much they're 2223 01:38:21.210 --> 01:38:23.250 playing to the camera and how much is real. But 2224 01:38:23.310 --> 01:38:27.479 they go, they visit con and they are trying to 2225 01:38:27.560 --> 01:38:34.079 raise um funds to produce a feature okay and so 2226 01:38:34.159 --> 01:38:37.359 it's about how much trouble they have raising money they 2227 01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:40.210 can't raise the money and god what are they trying 2228 01:38:40.270 --> 01:38:44.090 to remake um i can't remember the it was a 2229 01:38:44.189 --> 01:38:49.689 it was a brando film it was uh streetcars No. 2230 01:38:49.970 --> 01:38:50.890 It's already a bad idea. 2231 01:38:50.930 --> 01:38:52.210 Last Tango in Paris. 2232 01:38:52.409 --> 01:38:53.050 Oh, no. 2233 01:38:53.069 --> 01:38:54.909 They're trying to remake Last Tango in Paris. 2234 01:38:54.930 --> 01:38:56.149 And they can't find the funding. 2235 01:38:56.210 --> 01:38:59.140 I am shocked by that scenario. So Alec Baldwin playing 2236 01:38:59.180 --> 01:39:00.180 that role. 2237 01:39:00.300 --> 01:39:00.760 No. 2238 01:39:01.359 --> 01:39:02.739 And so they're talking. 2239 01:39:03.439 --> 01:39:05.279 Well, that gives me hope in Hollywood, honestly. 2240 01:39:05.300 --> 01:39:06.180 Yeah. 2241 01:39:06.460 --> 01:39:10.340 Well, they're talking to all these folks and these just rich, 2242 01:39:11.140 --> 01:39:14.140 beyond belief rich people that they're talking to. And one 2243 01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:16.979 of them just comes out on camera and says, Alec Baldwin. 2244 01:39:17.380 --> 01:39:18.840 He's a TV actor. It'll never work. 2245 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:19.539 Oh. 2246 01:39:20.260 --> 01:39:24.760 Bam. But I really identified with these guys because if 2247 01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:27.220 you've ever tried to raise money for a film, I 2248 01:39:27.279 --> 01:39:32.510 have these exact same conversations with people with infinitely more 2249 01:39:32.569 --> 01:39:34.710 money than I'll ever have. And I have these exact 2250 01:39:34.750 --> 01:39:39.470 same conversations, just about smaller sums. But

the same exact 2251 01:39:39.529 --> 01:39:40.050 thing goes on. 2252 01:39:40.090 --> 01:39:43.329 I felt so bad. 2253 01:39:42.350 --> 01:39:44.920 Watching these guys trying to raise money. It's like, wow, 2254 01:39:44.979 --> 01:39:47.590 I know how you feel. I wish I could... be 2255 01:39:47.630 --> 01:39:49.789 at con feeling that way but i know how you 2256 01:39:49.810 --> 01:39:54.590 feel um so that if i didn't like alec baldwin 2257 01:39:54.630 --> 01:39:58.770 before i definitely like him now interesting well he showed 2258 01:39:58.810 --> 01:40:00.420 a real human side and he has that. 2259 01:40:00.460 --> 01:40:04.000 Um it's uh you can get it as a podcast 2260 01:40:04.020 --> 01:40:05.500 i think it's is it strictly a podcast or do 2261 01:40:05.539 --> 01:40:07.039 they air it on the radio but he has these 2262 01:40:07.859 --> 01:40:09.880 just discussions and he has a topic and i heard 2263 01:40:09.899 --> 01:40:12.770 they're really great like he's a great interviewer and it's 2264 01:40:12.779 --> 01:40:13.159 just i. 2265 01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:15.579 Have heard that um yeah uh I can't remember the 2266 01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:16.340 name of it either, but yeah. 2267 01:40:16.380 --> 01:40:18.140 It's like Fresh Air, but it's like something else. 2268 01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:18.619 Sure, sure. 2269 01:40:18.760 --> 01:40:20.359 But I've heard a few little things. 2270 01:40:20.239 --> 01:40:20.819 Here and there. 2271 01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:23.300 He's one of those guys where I feel like he's 2272 01:40:23.359 --> 01:40:25.520 not afraid to put himself out there, whether he's drunk 2273 01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:31.689 on an answering machine or whether he's just doing an interview. 2274 01:40:31.710 --> 01:40:34.550 I mean, he's not afraid to tackle things. I don't 2275 01:40:34.590 --> 01:40:37.869 see one Paltrell ever doing a radio interview where she's 2276 01:40:37.909 --> 01:40:39.939 the host. Well, she's a busy mom, too. 2277 01:40:39.989 --> 01:40:45.189 She is. gotta make dinner okay she's gotta set up 2278 01:40:45.319 --> 01:40:47.529 somebody she's yeah. 2279 01:40:47.229 --> 01:40:49.109 I gotta go get diapers i know. 2280 01:40:51.510 --> 01:40:54.670 Could you have him shipped to number 17 when. 2281 01:40:54.569 --> 01:40:56.270 You fly in on your jet honey could you pick 2282 01:40:56.350 --> 01:40:56.789 up some. 2283 01:40:59.670 --> 01:41:02.579 So however he's not afraid to tackle new things and 2284 01:41:02.600 --> 01:41:04.560 i think that's one of the things that's endearing about 2285 01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:05.359 him is he'll just. 2286 01:41:05.770 --> 01:41:06.970 And he can make fun of himself, too. 2287 01:41:07.210 --> 01:41:07.430 Yes. 2288 01:41:07.649 --> 01:41:10.850 That's become his thing now, really. It has sort of 2289 01:41:10.890 --> 01:41:13.350 become his new, like, because he didn't have that. Like, 2290 01:41:13.380 --> 01:41:15.140 you look at him in, like, the 80s and into 2291 01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:18.020 the 90s, he was still trying to be a legit actor. 2292 01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:22.279 And then, like, he got this weird sort of self-aware 2293 01:41:22.340 --> 01:41:25.159 sense of humor and became this sort of, again, and 2294 01:41:25.159 --> 01:41:27.199 30 Rock tapped into it, like, this is what you 2295 01:41:27.220 --> 01:41:29.890 do best now. So it's like, that now has become 2296 01:41:29.930 --> 01:41:31.909 his persona, like, when you see him in commercials, you 2297 01:41:31.930 --> 01:41:34.489 see him on award shows, like, That's just his thing now. 2298 01:41:34.529 --> 01:41:37.510 It's become something that works and he knows it. And 2299 01:41:37.529 --> 01:41:40.260 I don't know. To me, that's the whole new wave 2300 01:41:40.300 --> 01:41:43.659 of his career. He owes to realizing that and finding 2301 01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:46.699 that person inside him that's probably always been there. 2302 01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:48.560 It's kind of like a collective banter that he knows 2303 01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:51.560 everyone is part of, even though he doesn't have a direct... 2304 01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:53.199 You know what I mean? I don't know if that 2305 01:41:53.220 --> 01:41:53.640 makes sense. 2306 01:41:53.739 --> 01:41:54.090 I just.... 2307 01:41:55.500 --> 01:41:57.920 Like, it's a joke that everybody's kind of privy to. 2308 01:41:58.020 --> 01:41:58.800 Yeah, now. 2309 01:41:59.119 --> 01:41:59.699 Now it's the stick. 2310 01:41:59.720 --> 01:42:02.899 Now it's, yeah, a shorthand with his fans. But, I mean, 2311 01:42:02.930 --> 01:42:04.970 it's easy to say good things about him. What about 2312 01:42:04.989 --> 01:42:05.810 the rest of that bunch? 2313 01:42:06.130 --> 01:42:09.250 Have Billy Baldwin and China Phillips had kids? Because that 2314 01:42:09.289 --> 01:42:11.310 would be a whole other dynasty. 2315 01:42:11.430 --> 01:42:11.939 Oh, God. 2316 01:42:11.979 --> 01:42:12.899 The Phillips family. 2317 01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:14.340 There's two other brothers, right? 2318 01:42:14.619 --> 01:42:16.539 Daniel used to be a pretty good actor. 2319 01:42:16.560 --> 01:42:16.960 Oh, Stephen, yeah. 2320 01:42:17.449 --> 01:42:20.250 Daniel was on Homicide for a long time. And he's 2321 01:42:20.270 --> 01:42:22.590 really good on Homicide. 2322 01:42:22.670 --> 01:42:24.470 Which one was Unusual Suspects? 2323 01:42:24.609 --> 01:42:25.029 Steven. 2324 01:42:25.229 --> 01:42:29.649 Oh, really? I didn't know he went that route. He 2325 01:42:29.670 --> 01:42:32.029 was great in that. 2326 01:42:32.109 --> 01:42:34.090 He was a fantastic actor. And then he found God 2327 01:42:34.149 --> 01:42:35.300 and it fucked everything up. 2328 01:42:35.689 --> 01:42:36.449 Way to go, God. 2329 01:42:36.630 --> 01:42:36.890 Wow. 2330 01:42:37.210 --> 01:42:45.039 Good career. I think he's like on the Willie Ames track. 2331 01:42:45.319 --> 01:42:46.840 Oh my gosh, really? 2332 01:42:46.859 -->

01:42:49.460 There's a superhero that Willie Ames is. Yeah, Bible Man. 2333 01:42:50.180 --> 01:42:52.050 And what's his name? Kirk Cameron. 2334 01:42:54.789 --> 01:42:57.890 Everyone's like that. I think that's his own animal. At 2335 01:42:57.909 --> 01:42:59.020 the mention of Kirk Cameron. 2336 01:43:01.869 --> 01:43:06.069 I was thinking the wall birds and that's an interesting 2337 01:43:06.109 --> 01:43:08.239 going from music to end of film which actually like 2338 01:43:08.800 --> 01:43:10.779 Queen Latifah that's not an uncommon thing I. 2339 01:43:10.779 --> 01:43:12.420 Was going to say I was going to ask at 2340 01:43:12.439 --> 01:43:14.920 the beginning do we count within the same generation or 2341 01:43:15.180 --> 01:43:16.859 do we have to have a parent going to the 2342 01:43:16.899 --> 01:43:18.300 kid or are we just doing. 2343 01:43:18.779 --> 01:43:21.770 Siblings yeah I mean they feed off of each other 2344 01:43:22.590 --> 01:43:25.890 it's possible to ride your brother or sister's coattails. 2345 01:43:26.069 --> 01:43:29.119 Now you're just talking to the bald ones I mostly 2346 01:43:29.140 --> 01:43:31.220 just want to talk about how crazy Randy Quaid is. 2347 01:43:31.779 --> 01:43:33.180 Oh, that's true. 2348 01:43:33.220 --> 01:43:33.930 That's true. 2349 01:43:33.939 --> 01:43:38.350 Who was in Last Picture Show? I mean, anyway, that's 2350 01:43:38.390 --> 01:43:39.170 just neither here nor there. 2351 01:43:39.649 --> 01:43:41.430 It's no Independence Day, but all right. 2352 01:43:41.989 --> 01:43:45.390 That might have, well, whatever. Every time I hear Randy. 2353 01:43:45.149 --> 01:43:47.350 Quaid's name, I piss myself and forget my name for 2354 01:43:47.369 --> 01:43:48.050 about a half an hour. 2355 01:43:49.010 --> 01:43:49.630 What was the deal there? 2356 01:43:49.649 --> 01:43:53.479 Oh, I shouldn't have started the microwave, sorry. that's making 2357 01:43:53.500 --> 01:43:58.739 popcorn is that not cool oh and thank you geek 2358 01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:04.300 points all right that's all i get that's. 2359 01:44:03.100 --> 01:44:03.380 All i. 2360 01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:08.840 Get but have you seen the sequel i know it 2361 01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:12.100 exists and i haven't made myself watch it yet there's 2362 01:44:12.430 --> 01:44:17.409 a spin-off christmas on an island somewhere that's just about 2363 01:44:17.489 --> 01:44:19.029 eddie In the family. 2364 01:44:19.109 --> 01:44:23.180 I will buy Drew Barrymore's heart book before I will 2365 01:44:23.220 --> 01:44:23.770 watch that. 2366 01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:26.779 Well, now we definitely have to watch it for an episode. 2367 01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:29.300 They come in a combo pack now. They're big lots, 2368 01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:31.380 so it's crazy and crazy. 2369 01:44:31.399 --> 01:44:32.619 For all the irrelevance. 2370 01:44:32.659 --> 01:44:33.739 That's right. 2371 01:44:43.539 --> 01:44:50.100 Gwyneth Paltrow's babysitting book.

Her parenting handbook. 2372 01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:52.479 Get a nanny. 2373 01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:57.119 It's a pamphlet, really, more than a book. 2374 01:44:57.340 --> 01:44:59.680 It's a fortune in a fortune cookie. Just get a 2375 01:44:59.720 --> 01:45:03.229 fucking nanny. And this is how you say get a 2376 01:45:03.279 --> 01:45:04.189 nanny in Chinese. 2377 01:45:06.609 --> 01:45:11.300 On the back it says, Whatever you do, don't talk 2378 01:45:11.319 --> 01:45:16.479 to the press. So, we should probably start wrapping this 2379 01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:18.779 thing up. Is there anyone we've forgotten that you just 2380 01:45:18.819 --> 01:45:21.270 have to get to? Because there's plenty we've forgotten. 2381 01:45:22.069 --> 01:45:23.649 What are some? Can you just list off? 2382 01:45:23.689 --> 01:45:25.050 We don't have to talk about it. We haven't even 2383 01:45:25.069 --> 01:45:25.989 done the Douglases. 2384 01:45:26.350 --> 01:45:26.890 Oh, jeez. 2385 01:45:27.689 --> 01:45:29.569 Do we have bad things to say about Michael like 2386 01:45:29.630 --> 01:45:30.369 most people do? 2387 01:45:30.489 --> 01:45:34.189 I don't. I used to like Michael. The Child of Spartacus? 2388 01:45:34.350 --> 01:45:35.090 Are you kidding? 2389 01:45:35.729 --> 01:45:36.210 It's great. 2390 01:45:36.689 --> 01:45:36.949 Yeah. 2391 01:45:37.350 --> 01:45:39.590 I think Fred had some negative things to say about Michael, 2392 01:45:39.630 --> 01:45:41.750 and then he couldn't be here this week. So I 2393 01:45:41.789 --> 01:45:43.609 kind of wanted to hear about what horrible things he 2394 01:45:43.689 --> 01:45:44.850 had to say about Michael Douglas. 2395 01:45:45.560 --> 01:45:48.859 I mean, how about the Buseys? There's a legacy. 2396 01:45:49.699 --> 01:45:53.500 That is. That is. 2397 01:45:53.699 --> 01:45:56.810 And they were in a movie together with Harry Dean Stanton. 2398 01:45:56.829 --> 01:45:57.189 What? 2399 01:45:57.510 --> 01:45:57.789 Yeah. 2400 01:45:58.090 --> 01:45:58.409 Which one? 2401 01:45:58.430 --> 01:46:00.770 Straight Time, which is a great film. And Gary Besey's 2402 01:46:00.810 --> 01:46:02.050 great in it. I would love to have him as 2403 01:46:02.090 --> 01:46:03.470 a guest. Why haven't I called. 2404 01:46:03.289 --> 01:46:04.729 Gary Besey yet? Is this pre-motorcycle accident? 2405 01:46:04.789 --> 01:46:07.020 We've run into Jake quite a few times. Have you? 2406 01:46:07.029 --> 01:46:08.359 He's actually very nice. 2407 01:46:08.539 --> 01:46:10.840 Straight Time. He's in the movie as like a, I 2408 01:46:11.359 --> 01:46:12.600 don't know, maybe an eight-year-old kid. 2409 01:46:12.659 --> 01:46:13.939 I don't know how old kids are. 2410 01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:16.979 Jake is, I mean, my brief run-in with him was 2411 01:46:17.060 --> 01:46:18.760 through email, but yeah, very nice. 2412 01:46:18.800 --> 01:46:19.319 He was very nice. 2413 01:46:19.600 --> 01:46:20.279 Very receptive. 2414 01:46:21.119 --> 01:46:23.979 How old is he now? What's his age range? 2415 01:46:24.300 --> 01:46:25.979 He must be, what, 44? 2416 01:46:25.979 --> 01:46:26.680 Probably getting there. 2417 01:46:26.699 --> 01:46:28.539 I know I've seen him in something, I just can't wait. 2418 01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:29.140 Starship Troopers. 2419 01:46:30.220 --> 01:46:30.779 I haven't seen that. 2420 01:46:30.800 --> 01:46:31.390 Starship Troopers. 2421 01:46:31.979 --> 01:46:32.850 You should see Starship Troopers. 2422 01:46:32.869 --> 01:46:35.470 Yeah, no, I know. That's, uh. 2423 01:46:35.489 --> 01:46:38.010 And what, um... Doogie Howser's in that, too, right? 2424 01:46:38.329 --> 01:46:39.590 Oh, yeah. Casper Vandy. 2425 01:46:40.810 --> 01:46:42.460 Well, forget about that one. 2426 01:46:42.470 --> 01:46:43.229 Who directed that again? 2427 01:46:43.260 --> 01:46:43.850 That was, uh. 2428 01:46:44.840 --> 01:46:45.859 Bob Hevin. 2429 01:46:45.979 --> 01:46:46.500 Bob Hevin. 2430 01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:46.880 Oh, yeah. 2431 01:46:47.819 --> 01:46:48.039 Yeah. 2432 01:46:48.619 --> 01:46:51.000 Of showgirl fame! Yeah, right. 2433 01:46:51.199 --> 01:46:51.500 Woo! 2434 01:46:51.859 --> 01:46:57.579 He's an auteur. All right, anybody else? Let's see here. 2435 01:46:57.640 --> 01:47:03.119 The Reynolds Fishers, if we're going somewhat old school there. Oh, interesting. 2436 01:47:03.220 --> 01:47:07.010 Eddie had two famous offspring. The other whose name has 2437 01:47:07.390 --> 01:47:08.510 escaped me completely. 2438 01:47:09.109 --> 01:47:10.270 The one on TV? 2439 01:47:10.369 --> 01:47:15.130 Yeah, the red-headed TV one. And she... Jolie Fisher. Jolie Fisher, 2440 01:47:15.229 --> 01:47:17.329 and she had a famous mom. Was her mom Connie Stevens? 2441 01:47:17.409 --> 01:47:21.359 Was that her mom? Eddie Fisher. Jeez Louise. 2442 01:47:21.399 --> 01:47:22.510 He could not control himself. 2443 01:47:22.550 --> 01:47:25.050 He really couldn't. He loved a famous lady. 2444 01:47:25.350 --> 01:47:25.850 That he did. 2445 01:47:26.189 --> 01:47:27.170 The girl in Almost Famous. 2446 01:47:28.130 --> 01:47:28.810 Kate Hudson. 2447 01:47:28.890 --> 01:47:29.949 Who's her mom again? 2448 01:47:30.270 --> 01:47:31.289 Goldie Hawn. 2449 01:47:31.350 --> 01:47:33.649 And then she has famous brother Oliver Hudson. 2450 01:47:34.029 --> 01:47:36.149 Another sitcom actor. Is he? 2451 01:47:36.350 --> 01:47:37.890 How about Liza Minnelli? 2452 01:47:39.260 --> 01:47:39.659 How about no? 2453 01:47:39.680 --> 01:47:41.239 There you go. 2454 01:47:41.279 --> 01:47:43.579 No? How about can we reject her starting? 2455 01:47:43.640 --> 01:47:45.020 I love a pretty honest Ethel Merman. 2456 01:47:45.039 --> 01:47:47.340 Just from Arrested Development, you have. Yes. 2457 01:47:47.399 --> 01:47:49.600 Well, you have to give her credit. She's gotten to 2458 01:47:49.640 --> 01:47:52.039 a point where she knows it's okay to make fun 2459 01:47:52.060 --> 01:47:52.899 of herself. 2460

01:47:53.039 --> 01:47:57.779 She's a female Alec Baldwin. She's a female Alec Baldwin, absolutely. No, 2461 01:47:57.819 --> 01:48:01.760 she's fantastic. I mean, that whole shtick with Vertigo, gold. 2462 01:48:02.920 --> 01:48:06.729 I like when that's in Arrested Development, right? When what's her, 2463 01:48:06.970 --> 01:48:09.939 the son... when he was talking about the one she 2464 01:48:09.970 --> 01:48:10.779 was dating for a while. 2465 01:48:10.810 --> 01:48:13.810 Oh, God, what's his name? He's on Veep now. 2466 01:48:13.850 --> 01:48:16.270 And they had that, like, codependent relationship, and he said, well, 2467 01:48:16.289 --> 01:48:18.250 she's nauseous. We're calling it our nausea. 2468 01:48:18.630 --> 01:48:18.829 Yeah. 2469 01:48:21.300 --> 01:48:24.899 Oh no she's she um i i don't want to 2470 01:48:24.939 --> 01:48:27.550 listen to her sing but she i love watching her 2471 01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:31.449 because she's just so i love watching her now the 2472 01:48:31.470 --> 01:48:34.750 crazy version well but you know still in in uh 2473 01:48:34.989 --> 01:48:38.069 in um with dudley moore and arthur i mean she 2474 01:48:38.090 --> 01:48:39.810 was I thought she was good in that. Did she 2475 01:48:39.930 --> 01:48:40.189 have kids? 2476 01:48:40.210 --> 01:48:41.369 I think she's pretty fantastic. 2477 01:48:41.939 --> 01:48:43.310 Did she have kids? 2478 01:48:44.140 --> 01:48:46.340 She's at the generation where your gay husband doesn't make 2479 01:48:46.399 --> 01:48:48.159 babies with you. 2480 01:48:48.180 --> 01:48:49.600 Who was her husband? I'm trying to. 2481 01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:52.479 Well, Vincent Pennelly was her dad, and he was gay, 2482 01:48:52.560 --> 01:48:55.960 but he had her. And then she was married to... 2483 01:48:55.819 --> 01:48:59.659 What's his name? I can see his face. Yeah. 2484 01:48:59.739 --> 01:49:01.439 I'm trying to block all of them out. 2485 01:49:01.479 --> 01:49:02.119 Gay, yeah. 2486 01:49:03.279 --> 01:49:04.350 Very much so. 2487 01:49:04.520 --> 01:49:07.590 So there's a number of different family legacies happening. 2488 01:49:07.329 --> 01:49:07.949 In that scenario. 2489 01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:09.439 The Curtis's. 2490 01:49:10.260 --> 01:49:10.600 Tony. 2491 01:49:11.500 --> 01:49:13.020 Jamie Lee. Janet. 2492 01:49:14.659 --> 01:49:16.340 That's a good one. And if we're going to stick 2493 01:49:16.359 --> 01:49:19.739 with Hitchcock, ladies, then Tippi Hedren and Melanie Griffith. 2494 01:49:19.819 --> 01:49:20.739 Oh, yeah. 2495 01:49:20.779 --> 01:49:22.939 Who now has Dakota. Is that her name? She was 2496 01:49:22.970 --> 01:49:24.119 in Miss Golden Globe. 2497 01:49:24.439 --> 01:49:25.829 She's her child with Don Johnson. 2498 01:49:25.850 --> 01:49:28.770 Stop naming your children after states. 2499 01:49:29.750 --> 01:49:31.229 Plus there's already a Dakota. 2500 01:49:31.250 --> 01:49:33.010 Hey, my little West Virginia resents that. 2501 01:49:33.069 --> 01:49:34.449 I could have just named that, by the way. 2502 01:49:34.750 --> 01:49:35.630 I hope that's actually real. 2503 01:49:37.310 --> 01:49:38.289 Oh, how about the moguls? 2504 01:49:38.310 --> 01:49:41.909 I bet you Florida from Good Times is really angry. 2505 01:49:42.479 --> 01:49:44.979 The moguls of the Spelling Clan. 2506 01:49:46.100 --> 01:49:47.199 Oh, yeah. 2507 01:49:47.260 --> 01:49:47.539 Oh, God. 2508 01:49:47.579 --> 01:49:49.420 They're making babies, too, aren't they? 2509 01:49:49.439 --> 01:49:51.779 A lot of them. She's got like six, doesn't she? 2510 01:49:52.079 --> 01:49:52.380 Oh, yeah. 2511 01:49:52.399 --> 01:49:53.520 Tori Spelling has six babies. 2512 01:49:53.539 --> 01:49:55.050 She has. She's got a lot of babies. 2513 01:49:55.069 --> 01:49:56.869 Man, back up the Brinks truck. 2514 01:49:56.930 --> 01:50:01.010 I don't know if there's... Yeah. 2515 01:50:01.989 --> 01:50:03.369 That's somebody I... Emma's not. 2516 01:50:04.670 --> 01:50:05.369 doing too bad. 2517 01:50:05.430 --> 01:50:07.270 My wife, who I love dearly, if I did not 2518 01:50:07.329 --> 01:50:09.229 have her, I could have married Tori Spelling. 2519 01:50:10.250 --> 01:50:12.930 It's not necessarily too late. 2520 01:50:13.189 --> 01:50:17.220 I could have married her. It's like, that's one person where, 2521 01:50:17.239 --> 01:50:19.539 you know, it couldn't have been too bad. 2522 01:50:19.560 --> 01:50:22.960 You could have had your own wrapping paper room. 2523 01:50:24.920 --> 01:50:26.140 You don't have one of those? 2524 01:50:26.180 --> 01:50:28.859 Being in the spelling household. Candy. Candy has a wrapping 2525 01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:30.020 paper room. I don't know if Tori does. 2526 01:50:30.050 --> 01:50:30.479 Of course. 2527 01:50:30.739 --> 01:50:31.090 Candy? 2528 01:50:31.270 --> 01:50:32.090 Candy, her mom. 2529 01:50:32.930 --> 01:50:33.250 Her dog. 2530 01:50:34.090 --> 01:50:35.329 It has its own wrapping paper. 2531 01:50:36.789 --> 01:50:40.189 The things that occupy my mind, it concerns me what 2532 01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:43.880 information could be in that candy has a wrapping paper room. 2533 01:50:43.939 --> 01:50:49.039 This is why we're not doctors. This is why I 2534 01:50:49.060 --> 01:50:50.479 didn't go to dental school. 2535 01:50:51.880 --> 01:50:52.960 What about Klaus Kinski? 2536 01:50:52.979 --> 01:50:54.199 Oh, yeah. 2537 01:50:54.939 --> 01:50:57.359 He should not have had kids. 2538 01:50:57.380 --> 01:50:57.880 Cat people? 2539 01:50:57.899 --> 01:51:00.119 No! You're going to take away Anastasia from us? 2540 01:51:00.439 --> 01:51:03.560 Just saying, really? Do you want him breeding in general? 2541 01:51:03.689 --> 01:51:04.090 I don't know. 2542 01:51:04.170 --> 01:51:07.649 I think she's beautiful. Who knew that the female version 2543 01:51:07.689 --> 01:51:08.829 of him would be so beautiful? 2544 01:51:10.489 --> 01:51:10.850 Anyway. 2545 01:51:11.010 --> 01:51:11.789 What a scary man.

2546 01:51:12.250 --> 01:51:12.930 The Redgraves? 2547 01:51:14.010 --> 01:51:14.510 Oh, yeah. 2548 01:51:14.869 --> 01:51:18.109 They're kind of forgotten about at this point. I don't know. 2549 01:51:18.729 --> 01:51:20.489 But I was thinking... Because they haven't been to enough 2550 01:51:20.529 --> 01:51:24.189 award shows. There you go. Somewhat current, though, the Reitmans... 2551 01:51:24.100 --> 01:51:24.760 But wait, did. 2552 01:51:25.300 --> 01:51:27.659 Sorry, I want to dwell for a second on the 2553 01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:28.180 Red Graves. 2554 01:51:28.340 --> 01:51:28.840 Did. 2555 01:51:29.260 --> 01:51:31.920 What was the daughter who was married to Liam Neeson? 2556 01:51:31.960 --> 01:51:32.619 Did they have. 2557 01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:34.100 Natasha Richardson. Yes. 2558 01:51:34.119 --> 01:51:35.229 Did they have children? 2559 01:51:35.239 --> 01:51:36.770 I was just thinking of her. Oh, and I'm thinking 2560 01:51:36.810 --> 01:51:37.630 of Miranda Richardson. 2561 01:51:37.649 --> 01:51:39.170 I don't know. 2562 01:51:39.590 --> 01:51:39.909 Did they? 2563 01:51:39.930 --> 01:51:40.510 I don't know. 2564 01:51:41.130 --> 01:51:42.710 He seems very upset about something. 2565 01:51:43.390 --> 01:51:44.069 In all of his movies. 2566 01:51:44.090 --> 01:51:45.210 Family members keep getting taken. 2567 01:51:45.229 --> 01:51:47.390 They keep getting taken. Or eaten by wolves. Or kidnapped 2568 01:51:47.409 --> 01:51:48.350 by wolves sometimes. 2569 01:51:48.470 --> 01:51:48.590 But. 2570 01:51:49.340 --> 01:51:51.659 But yeah, The Reitmans. I mean, that's a current one 2571 01:51:51.699 --> 01:51:54.500 that has passed the torch, and I'm sure you love 2572 01:51:54.539 --> 01:51:55.039 his work. 2573 01:51:55.180 --> 01:51:55.699 Oh, God. 2574 01:51:55.819 --> 01:52:01.159 Don't even get me started. All right, then we'll wrap 2575 01:52:01.199 --> 01:52:01.340 it up. 2576 01:52:01.350 --> 01:52:04.069 I did actually, I did see Labor Day. That is 2577 01:52:04.090 --> 01:52:04.909 a movie I did see. 2578 01:52:05.189 --> 01:52:05.369 And? 2579 01:52:05.430 --> 01:52:07.109 And that's Brolin's and Reitman's. 2580 01:52:10.310 --> 01:52:10.930 It was terrible. 2581 01:52:11.270 --> 01:52:12.289 Was that the hostage thing? 2582 01:52:12.949 --> 01:52:14.270 Yes and no. 2583 01:52:14.310 --> 01:52:14.529 Right? 2584 01:52:14.550 --> 01:52:15.050 Kind of? 2585 01:52:15.109 --> 01:52:15.430 Sort of? 2586 01:52:15.529 --> 01:52:19.439 It was a love story based on the book. written 2587 01:52:19.600 --> 01:52:24.100 by uh uh oh god what's her name she was 2588 01:52:24.239 --> 01:52:27.659 the mistress of um what's his name okay the coffee 2589 01:52:27.739 --> 01:52:30.529 i just collapsed the coffee ran its course and now 2590 01:52:30.569 --> 01:52:31.409 i have nothing left i. 2591 01:52:31.369 --> 01:52:33.810 Thought you're saying she's the mistress of the coffee something 2592 01:52:34.170 --> 01:52:39.600 mongol anyway no

catching her eye Salinger. 2593 01:52:39.699 --> 01:52:40.449 Salinger, thank you. 2594 01:52:40.460 --> 01:52:41.920 Jesus tore my brain. Oh, okay, so you're looking for 2595 01:52:41.960 --> 01:52:42.460 the author. 2596 01:52:42.500 --> 01:52:42.800 Yes. 2597 01:52:43.340 --> 01:52:45.020 I was just throwing out names. 2598 01:52:45.039 --> 01:52:47.260 I was like, Holden Caulfield, not a real guy. I 2599 01:52:47.279 --> 01:52:50.239 don't think he had children. 2600 01:52:51.550 --> 01:52:53.970 Anyway, his mistress wrote this book, Labor Day, and then 2601 01:52:54.149 --> 01:52:58.670 it was adapted for film and the movie stars Josh Brolin. 2602 01:52:59.119 --> 01:53:01.359 Who I had gotten to a point where I was 2603 01:53:01.600 --> 01:53:04.119 able to trust in his judgment, and he blew that, 2604 01:53:04.260 --> 01:53:06.460 so I don't know. He can't pick a good movie. 2605 01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:09.380 I don't know. I've been saying pretty good things, and 2606 01:53:09.420 --> 01:53:11.779 everyone's fighting me on it about Oldboy, which I remember 2607 01:53:11.850 --> 01:53:14.239 you were one of the only people who said, see it. 2608 01:53:14.350 --> 01:53:16.890 It's worth seeing. Was it released at all? 2609 01:53:16.909 --> 01:53:17.609 Yeah. 2610 01:53:17.909 --> 01:53:19.130 It's already gone then. 2611 01:53:19.210 --> 01:53:20.529 It's on DVD. Yeah, it's on DVD. 2612 01:53:20.550 --> 01:53:22.409 I remember when it was out, because I just watched 2613 01:53:22.449 --> 01:53:25.210 the original a couple months ago for the first time, 2614 01:53:25.250 --> 01:53:25.670 so that was. 2615 01:53:26.029 --> 01:53:27.600 I mean, there was no reason to remake it, but 2616 01:53:27.640 --> 01:53:30.100 I have so much respect for this strategy in remaking 2617 01:53:30.140 --> 01:53:32.159 a film, which is that he basically took the same 2618 01:53:32.279 --> 01:53:35.359 characters and the same central plot, but then gave it 2619 01:53:35.380 --> 01:53:37.939 a completely different meaning. I mean, it's about something completely 2620 01:53:38.090 --> 01:53:39.640 different conceptually. 2621 01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:39.550 Than the first film. 2622 01:53:39.590 --> 01:53:41.229 By the end, it definitely is. I think you get 2623 01:53:41.289 --> 01:53:43.310 halfway through, and it's sort of similar, and then it 2624 01:53:43.350 --> 01:53:46.350 takes a turn midway, and I'm like, it's made itself 2625 01:53:46.409 --> 01:53:49.199 a different movie and it gives the character a different 2626 01:53:49.220 --> 01:53:53.239 trajectory and like it really does sort of become something different. 2627 01:53:53.079 --> 01:53:55.020 I think it was a really interesting bold way to 2628 01:53:55.039 --> 01:53:55.460 go with it. 2629 01:53:55.399 --> 01:53:57.479 And he's really good and he's great does he cut 2630 01:53:57.500 --> 01:53:59.220 his tongue out and. 2631 01:53:59.180 --> 01:54:01.439 That's a spoiler that scene. 2632 01:54:01.159 --> 01:54:04.840 I guess you just spoiled at least one of the movies. 2633 01:54:04.699 --> 01:54:11.060 Oh sorry and okay okay if if we're not going 2634 01:54:11.100 --> 01:54:14.760 generational we're sticking within the family uh The new Olsen 2635 01:54:14.899 --> 01:54:17.659 is the best Olsen by far. I know the other 2636 01:54:17.699 --> 01:54:18.640 ones have way more money. 2637 01:54:18.819 --> 01:54:22.050 But she's so good. Same with the Colkins. Sometimes it's 2638 01:54:22.109 --> 01:54:25.270 like the deep track younger siblings that. 2639 01:54:25.449 --> 01:54:27.609 Come up out of nowhere. I've seen her in so 2640 01:54:27.630 --> 01:54:29.689 many things now, and every time I'm just like, man, 2641 01:54:29.729 --> 01:54:32.380 I keep expecting her to just phone it in. I'm like, damn, 2642 01:54:32.420 --> 01:54:33.920 she's good in this too. 2643 01:54:33.939 --> 01:54:34.939 She's legitimately talented. 2644 01:54:34.960 --> 01:54:36.560 Elizabeth Olsen is amazing. 2645 01:54:36.579 --> 01:54:37.199 She's amazing. 2646 01:54:37.909 --> 01:54:38.380 Amazing. 2647 01:54:38.399 --> 01:54:40.340 What would you recommend seeing her in? 2648 01:54:40.500 --> 01:54:42.760 Anything she's in. She's an old boy. 2649 01:54:42.779 --> 01:54:45.239 Oh, okay. Daughter of Nellie Olsen from Little House. 2650 01:54:45.539 --> 01:54:51.789 She's good. Marcy, Marcy, Marcy, Marcy, Marcy, Marlene, Marcy. 2651 01:54:51.970 --> 01:54:52.409 Marianne. 2652 01:54:52.550 --> 01:54:55.210 With another Marcy in there. Which is actually really good. 2653 01:54:55.430 --> 01:55:00.029 That was a great movie, and she's amazing in it. So, Olsen. 2654 01:55:00.630 --> 01:55:02.840 But yeah, back on the Brolin. This was one we 2655 01:55:02.880 --> 01:55:07.050 addressed on the car episode. I would say at this point, 2656 01:55:07.090 --> 01:55:08.989 Josh has overshadowed dad. 2657 01:55:09.149 --> 01:55:09.850 Absolutely. 2658 01:55:10.149 --> 01:55:12.750 Which I mean, for a long time, dad was pretty 2659 01:55:12.770 --> 01:55:15.649 well known. He was kind of that household name. Probably again, 2660 01:55:15.689 --> 01:55:18.289 I blame hotel for ruining his career, but because he 2661 01:55:18.310 --> 01:55:21.420 became a TV actor, as we mentioned earlier, he went 2662 01:55:21.460 --> 01:55:24.479 from being a big film actor to a TV actor 2663 01:55:24.520 --> 01:55:27.100 and it killed his career. But I'd say Josh, it 2664 01:55:27.119 --> 01:55:28.880 took him a long time to get there. Like he, 2665 01:55:29.119 --> 01:55:31.760 the kid roles didn't really work out for him, but like, 2666 01:55:32.630 --> 01:55:34.890 way late you know for hollywood terms by the time 2667 01:55:34.930 --> 01:55:37.010 he's in his 30s doing stuff he really kind of 2668 01:55:37.029 --> 01:55:38.409 started knocking stuff out. 2669 01:55:38.210 --> 01:55:40.850 No country seemed to be though yeah. 2670 01:55:40.289 --> 01:55:43.109 It definitely was a

new level for him and the. 2671 01:55:43.090 --> 01:55:44.229 Fact that he died. 2672 01:55:45.369 --> 01:55:49.789 Yeah well that was after he cut someone else's tongue. 2673 01:55:49.609 --> 01:55:55.590 Out which by the way his wife in that oh. 2674 01:55:54.529 --> 01:55:56.930 Yeah she was in train spotting she was. 2675 01:55:56.909 --> 01:55:59.909 In train spotting she was in boardwalk empire She's in 2676 01:56:00.010 --> 01:56:06.069 Boardwalk Empire, but she's in a great film about the 2677 01:56:06.189 --> 01:56:07.270 girl in the window. 2678 01:56:07.289 --> 01:56:07.350 Oh. 2679 01:56:10.180 --> 01:56:12.640 With, what's his name? Oh, God. 2680 01:56:13.340 --> 01:56:14.460 It's about an author. 2681 01:56:14.479 --> 01:56:18.619 Got to go to the Google machine. She's got, obviously 2682 01:56:18.659 --> 01:56:22.979 she's not one of my favorite actresses because I can't remember. However, 2683 01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:27.090 let me see here. Go to IMDb. 2684 01:56:28.220 --> 01:56:29.760 Well, she is Scottish, I think. 2685 01:56:29.779 --> 01:56:30.619 Yeah, she's Scottish. 2686 01:56:30.880 --> 01:56:34.149 But to play that, that's why I was so surprised 2687 01:56:34.189 --> 01:56:35.510 when I find out later. 2688 01:56:36.010 --> 01:56:41.750 So, Kelly MacDonald is her name. And she was in 2689 01:56:42.229 --> 01:56:45.149 The Girl in the Cafe. The Girl in the Cafe, 2690 01:56:45.310 --> 01:56:51.170 which was a TV movie where she starred alongside Bill Niley. 2691 01:56:51.630 --> 01:56:52.329 Great film. 2692 01:56:52.649 --> 01:56:52.930 Okay. 2693 01:56:53.130 --> 01:56:55.300 Highly, highly, highly recommend it. 2694 01:56:55.310 --> 01:56:57.029 I remember seeing her here. 2695 01:56:57.100 --> 01:56:59.279 She was, I absolutely fell in love with her in 2696 01:56:59.300 --> 01:57:01.279 that movie. She was so good. 2697 01:57:01.680 --> 01:57:02.439 Girl in the Cafe. 2698 01:57:02.460 --> 01:57:04.380 I love him. Girl in the Cafe. 2699 01:57:04.399 --> 01:57:06.100 I think he's amazing. 2700 01:57:06.420 --> 01:57:10.020 Yeah, he is. He's great. Kelly McDonald. She's, yeah, she's, 2701 01:57:10.500 --> 01:57:13.300 but she's another one of those working actresses that, you know, 2702 01:57:14.220 --> 01:57:16.539 you know her face. You go, oh, that girl who 2703 01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:19.720 was in that thing, you know, which was actually a 2704 01:57:19.760 --> 01:57:23.239 documentary out called I think it's the guy who was 2705 01:57:23.300 --> 01:57:23.850 in that thing. 2706 01:57:24.319 --> 01:57:26.750 I've seen that. It's actually, it's not bad, but you 2707 01:57:26.770 --> 01:57:28.649 do that the entire time. You're like, I know him. 2708 01:57:28.670 --> 01:57:29.710 Oh yeah. 2709 01:57:29.770 --> 01:57:31.609 Like it's just nothing but recognizing. 2710 01:57:31.630 --> 01:57:33.409 Right. Recognizing these people. Yeah. 2711 01:57:33.529 --> 01:57:33.939 Yeah. 2712 01:57:34.020 --> 01:57:37.920 So, but I think what's, what's so, uh, likable about 2713 01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:40.060 that film is you get to hear that they, you know, 2714 01:57:40.159 --> 01:57:43.270 they're just working stiffs. You know, these are guys who go, 2715 01:57:43.810 --> 01:57:44.729 camera work sucked. 2716 01:57:44.510 --> 01:57:44.779 By the way. 2717 01:57:45.100 --> 01:57:48.100 But uh it's it's just these guys going from one 2718 01:57:48.140 --> 01:57:50.020 job to the next to the next and they don't 2719 01:57:50.060 --> 01:57:51.880 know where they're going to get their next ticket well that. 2720 01:57:51.800 --> 01:57:53.840 Was that was the interesting thing because they're i mean 2721 01:57:53.880 --> 01:57:57.739 most actors becomes pretty self-aware and like they all kind 2722 01:57:57.779 --> 01:58:00.590 of realize they're that's their job like they're not i'm 2723 01:58:00.600 --> 01:58:03.890 you know i'm i've been in a lot of movies 2724 01:58:04.109 --> 01:58:07.250 not really a key character and i'm in my 40s 2725 01:58:07.310 --> 01:58:09.189 now i'm probably not going to turn into a leading 2726 01:58:09.229 --> 01:58:11.369 man like but I want to keep working. 2727 01:58:11.569 --> 01:58:12.890 Let's put him in a Tarantino movie. 2728 01:58:12.930 --> 01:58:14.949 So many of them are just kind of like, yeah, 2729 01:58:15.109 --> 01:58:18.859 I just got to keep my insurance going. They're just 2730 01:58:19.119 --> 01:58:22.260 working actors now, but they realize where they are in 2731 01:58:22.300 --> 01:58:23.399 their career. It's interesting. 2732 01:58:23.420 --> 01:58:27.560 Well, it makes them humble, which I love. One of 2733 01:58:27.579 --> 01:58:29.680 the things that I always enjoyed about working with with 2734 01:58:29.720 --> 01:58:34.619 John was that he, he knows his place in the industry, 2735 01:58:34.840 --> 01:58:38.569 you know, and he, he has the, you know, he 2736 01:58:38.609 --> 01:58:40.310 definitely has the talent to do anything that he wants 2737 01:58:40.329 --> 01:58:44.720 to do, but he's so just, it's like, I'm, I'm 2738 01:58:44.760 --> 01:58:46.779 just a guy who's working, you know, and that's how 2739 01:58:46.819 --> 01:58:50.539 he approaches everything. And it's, it was really refreshing. to 2740 01:58:50.579 --> 01:58:52.680 work with somebody like that who did not, who took 2741 01:58:52.739 --> 01:58:55.850 the job seriously, but did not take themselves too seriously. 2742 01:58:56.149 --> 01:58:57.189 And that was really refreshing. 2743 01:58:57.470 --> 01:58:59.310 Especially who'd done, I mean, even if you want to 2744 01:58:59.350 --> 01:59:01.810 take the acting out of it, like just musically, it's 2745 01:59:01.829 --> 01:59:02.949 kind of legendary. 2746 01:59:02.989 --> 01:59:07.850 Like if somebody could claim to be like, I am important, 2747 01:59:07.890 --> 01:59:09.149 you know, but he does not. 2748 01:59:09.050 --> 01:59:09.560 Come off the way at all. 2749 01:59:09.569 --> 01:59:11.390

He does not do that. He does not do that. 2750 01:59:11.710 --> 01:59:12.369 That's pretty impressive. 2751 01:59:13.189 --> 01:59:13.409 Yeah. 2752 01:59:14.100 --> 01:59:15.680 Great guy. 2753 01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:19.060 And guest of Heritage and Stand Fest 2015. 2754 01:59:19.060 --> 01:59:20.930 Already mapped out. Already locked in? 2755 01:59:20.939 --> 01:59:21.770 Already locked in. 2756 01:59:21.800 --> 01:59:22.699 Wow, sweet. 2757 01:59:22.760 --> 01:59:23.840 I mean, he said he would. 2758 01:59:23.899 --> 01:59:24.779 I don't know. 2759 01:59:24.840 --> 01:59:25.859 I bet you. 2760 01:59:25.880 --> 01:59:28.760 You know what? As long as he doesn't have a conflict, 2761 01:59:29.000 --> 01:59:31.720 he'll probably do it. He'll probably do it. He's that 2762 01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:34.739 kind of guy. He's just up for whatever is fun 2763 01:59:34.800 --> 01:59:36.689 and invigorating and something new. 2764 01:59:38.729 --> 01:59:40.350 John Doe is awesome. I think that's how we need 2765 01:59:40.369 --> 01:59:41.149 to round this thing out. 2766 01:59:42.210 --> 01:59:44.949 And thinking about how awesome the kid of Exine Cervinka 2767 01:59:44.970 --> 01:59:47.149 and Viggo Mortensen probably is. Because I think we need 2768 01:59:47.170 --> 01:59:48.109 to give that some thought as well. 2769 01:59:48.930 --> 01:59:50.199 Do we have a due date for this baby? 2770 01:59:50.470 --> 01:59:51.930 No, he exists. He's in the world. 2771 01:59:52.470 --> 01:59:54.289 You're planning future children. 2772 01:59:54.770 --> 01:59:56.829 He's maturing and growing into the man he will one 2773 01:59:56.850 --> 01:59:57.229 day be. 2774 01:59:57.829 --> 01:59:58.029 What? 2775 01:59:58.569 --> 02:00:01.670 Where he will dazzle us with whatever he decides to do. 2776 02:00:03.289 --> 02:00:04.069 We shall see. 2777 02:00:05.109 --> 02:00:07.489 Unless he disappoints me like that fucking Nick Cassavetes and 2778 02:00:07.510 --> 02:00:08.069 then watch out. 2779 02:00:08.229 --> 02:00:12.109 And it all comes full circle. Alright, thank you for 2780 02:00:12.489 --> 02:00:14.529 hanging out with us this week. Do you now have 2781 02:00:14.569 --> 02:00:16.329 things you'd like to tell people they should go find 2782 02:00:16.350 --> 02:00:16.649 of yours? 2783 02:00:17.420 --> 02:00:20.960 Pleased to meet me on iTunes. iTunes exclusive, April 22nd. 2784 02:00:21.279 --> 02:00:26.119 Please purchase. Please download. And Prison State on PBS Frontline, 2785 02:00:26.180 --> 02:00:28.380 April 29th. Check your local listings. 2786 02:00:29.720 --> 02:00:32.640 All right. HarryDeanSatinFest.org. Do you guys have any plugs you'd 2787 02:00:32.659 --> 02:00:35.520 like to get? Otherwise, that about does it. We will 2788 02:00:35.539 --> 02:00:37.810 return next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks 2789 02:00:37.859 --> 02:00:38.270 for listening. 2790 02:00:38.689 --> 02:00:41.649 May God bless and keep you always. 2791 02:00:42.609 --> 02:00:44.949 May your wishes all come true. 2792 02:00:46.069 --> 02:00:51.010 May you always do for others and let others do 2793 02:00:51.229 --> 02:00:52.449 for you. 2794 02:00:57.800 --> 02:01:03.199 May you build a ladder to the stars and climb 2795 02:01:03.220 --> 02:01:04.739 on every rock. 2796 02:01:04.880 --> 02:01:12.909 May you stay forever young. 2797 02:01:32.119 --> 02:01:40.850 May you stay forever young. 2798 02:01:46.710 --> 02:01:51.119 May you grow up to be righteous. May you grow 2799 02:01:51.340 --> 02:01:52.659 up to be true. 2800 02:01:53.859 --> 02:01:58.159 May you always know the truth and see the lights 2801 02:01:58.319 --> 02:01:59.739 around you. 2802 02:02:05.189 --> 02:02:12.829 May you always be courageous, stand upright and strong. May 2803 02:02:12.869 --> 02:02:20.779 you stay, stay forever young. 2804 02:02:44.289 --> 02:02:49.319 Forever young. 2805 02:03:13.680 --> 02:03:18.920 May your hands always be busy. May your feet always 2806 02:03:19.020 --> 02:03:24.659 be swift. May you have a strong foundation when the 2807 02:03:24.739 --> 02:03:29.909 winds of change. 2808 02:03:29.970 --> 02:03:35.609 May your heart. 2809 02:03:34.050 --> 02:03:35.550 Always be joyful. 2810 02:03:36.489 --> 02:03:39.840 May your soul always be sunny. 2811 02:03:39.880 --> 02:03:41.640 May you stay. 2812 02:03:46.060 --> 02:03:50.119 Forever young Forever young Forever young May you stay Forever 2813 02:03:50.239 --> 02:04:30.300 young May you stay. 2814 02:04:27.899 --> 02:04:49.020 Forever young. 2815 02:04:41.949 --> 02:04:43.529 I have a Tammy Faye Baker's autograph. 2816 02:04:45.310 --> 02:04:46.189 Congratulations. 2817 02:04:46.210 --> 02:04:47.560 Did she sign it with her eyelashes? 2818 02:04:48.109 --> 02:04:49.640 She just shoved her face into it and made a 2819 02:04:49.680 --> 02:04:54.359 shroud of turban. Back to the biblical references. Anyway. 2820 02:04:54.539 --> 02:04:55.319 Oh, fantastic. 2821 02:04:55.619 --> 02:04:56.859 God, I need to find that. 2822 02:04:57.399 --> 02:04:58.100 The Shroud of Turin? 2823 02:04:59.300 --> 02:05:03.100 Yeah, I think I've wrapped her autograph in the Shroud 2824 02:05:03.119 --> 02:05:03.560 of Turin. 2825 02:05:03.600 --> 02:05:03.939 Oh, okay. 2826 02:05:04.239 --> 02:05:04.859 That's cool. 2827 02:05:04.880 --> 02:05:06.739 You've got one of those, too? That's awesome. 2828 02:05:06.960 --> 02:05:09.539 I bought mine on eBay. It's totally legit. It's got 2829 02:05:09.560 --> 02:05:10.100 a certificate. 2830 02:05:10.380 --> 02:05:13.189 This episode is a production of Movie Meltdown, produced and 2831 02:05:13.229 --> 02:05:16.390 edited by the Auditude Studios, with the opening music performed 2832 02:05:16.409 --> 02:05:18.989 by the Empires. 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