Full Transcript for David Grusch’s Explosive New Alien Claims: What Changed Since 2023?

⁓ stop it stop Android (02:39) Boo, ooh, ooh, boo, boo, boo. Jason (02:42) ⁓ man. Yeah. Neo (02:51) yeah, don't go. You know what? I'm not for nothing. I think if I was a ghost hunter, if I was, if I was part of a ghost hunting team, I I'm almost pretty sure I'd fuck with everybody. I think I'd be out things. I'd like, would, I would totally be just staring the shit at everybody the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. Jason (02:52) Yeah, yeah. It would be hard not to, right? Emma G (03:08) No, but like but don't you w it's like it's like here. Like you wanna actually sit back and see, is it gonna like is it gonna happen? You know, I think we all want to know. Jason (03:15) Yeah. Yeah. Neo (03:18) that yeah that is a crazy story by the way yeah Andrew this is Andrew's way of apologizing for singing the song around you Android (03:20) You know what? Yeah. Lemon, if I s if I speak to you in ASMR, it'll probably Emma G (03:28) Why am I too hype? ⁓ you did, yeah. No, you did. You triggered me. That was yeah. Actually, no, it's not making it better. If you could just back up Android (03:29) Think if I No, no, I'm just thinking that I upset you and brought back like tragic things and I'm just trying to Trying to bring around the room. Jason (03:39) All right. Android (03:46) Market full of posies. Yeah. Jason (03:46) I mean, that's wild though. You you couldn't have re I mean, that's like Hollywood script. I mean, it's that's just ridiculous. Wow. Neo (03:51) Yeah. It's definitely the beginning of a horror movie for sure. All right, let's get into it. I'm going to start. I'll do my spiel. My stuff will get into it and then I'm going to intro you Jason and then we'll and then we're off and running. Okay, so ⁓ Emma G (03:51) yeah, it's this is terrible. Yeah, definitely. Jason (04:07) Sounds great. Neo (04:08) We're seriously do it. can't. I was so excited about you coming on here today. I'm calling these guys every day guys. Make sure everything's squared away from Jason. Get ready. Get ready. Let's go. So Jason (04:16) No. Thank you for having me back. It's ⁓ it it it yeah. No, it's great, man. Thank you. Neo (04:22) Alright, awesome. Well, Andrew's leaving. ⁓ Andrew did say he was gonna ask to come work for you though. He's gonna come work with you. Emma G (04:27) Ha ha ha. Jason (04:28) well, you know what I mean. Yeah. Android (04:30) Yeah, Jason, you know, we talked about that the last show and so and you've grown like huge, so I'm thinking you probably need a counterpart. Jason (04:38) Well, you know, we I I know we talked about this offline and this was gonna be a big, you know, reveal here live on show, but w you know Yeah. Yeah, we'll Android (04:45) It's all good. It's all good. Neo (04:45) Ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. That's right. Rock and a roll. Android (04:48) Hallucination hippies, plural. We're not changing the name, it's just gonna put an we're and we're gonna do it with a Z on the end so that we're different than everybody else. Jason (04:50) Yeah,

that's right. That's right. ⁓ Mm-hmm. Android (05:00) ⁓ gosh. Jason (05:01) ⁓ boy. Neo (05:02) All right. Welcome back to Mostly True Alien Stories. I'm Neal Girandola and this is the only podcast where we take a true report of an alien encounter in history. We share the details, then decide whether it is a Mostly True Alien story or not. Today, we're diving into the latest claims from one of the most important UFO whistleblowers to come forward, David Grusch. He is a former US intelligence officer and Air Force veteran who became one of the most prominent UFO whistleblowers in the country after testifying before Congress in 2023 about an alleged secret government crash retrieval program. Before we get into this report, make sure to hit that subscribe button and follow us on Instagram and TikTok and Facebook at Mostly True Alien Stories. We drop new episodes every Wednesday, so follow the show for cool alien news shorts. and true reports of alien encounters. Now let's welcome in my resident alien investigators, Andrew Triana and Lemon G. Hi guys. Hey, ⁓ I'm excited to dive into the crazy claims coming from today's growing group of UFO whistleblowers with a very specific focus on David Grusch, what he is claiming now, what has changed since he first came forward in 2023 and whether any of the other insider speaking publicly actually support Android (06:03) Hey Neal! Emma G (06:03) Hey Mm-hmm. Neo (06:24) what he is saying and even more excited because helping us get down and dirty with all this is a special guest who probably has many of the same questions that we do. He first joined us last season when we investigated project Serpo. He's the host of Hallucination Hippies, where he investigates UFO encounters, consciousness and classified history, separating documented facts from interpretation and focusing on the details others overlook. Jason (06:35) Indeed. Neo (06:53) Please welcome back to the show our friend Jason Rhodes Hey Jason. Jason (06:57) Hey guys. It's great to be here. Thanks for having me. Neo (06:59) Man, it's always nice to see you. I love what you've been doing since we've last got together on this podcast. What has changed for you, Hallucination Hippies, what has changed for you in over a year since we last talked? For you in the UFO world. Jason (07:18) Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ well, you know, I have ⁓ I've continued the research and and digging as deep as you can. ⁓ and I've continued to create more questions than answers, which tends to happen in this subject. So ⁓ no, it's you know, a as you know, it's it's a it's a quest for truth for for many of us at least. ⁓ and separating that noise from the real signal is it gets tricky sometimes. So Neo (07:31) Yeah. Yeah. Jason (07:47) That's that's been the real focus, is really trying to cut through all the kind of the nonsense, you know. Neo (07:52) Yeah, and it seems to be I don't know if you have the same feeling but we you and I Our channels put out try to put out daily news about UFO stuff aside from our own podcasts and It there's different stories almost every day. It's There are moments where I'm frustrated with What we're being told and you know and what you're hearing is do you feel the same? Do you feel like there's days you go? What's the point? Why do we keep delivering this news? What is happening? Jason (08:24) In fact, I I you know, anyone could watch a video I did just a few days ago. There was a moment of of that just ⁓ I would I wouldn't call it venting, but it's just it's it's more about really if you if if someone really wants to get to the bottom of this, if we ever will, hopefully we do, knock on wood. ⁓ you right, in in disclosure, ⁓ you know, there's just so much coming at you. Neo (08:42) Yeah. In the disclosure realm of what we're talking about, Mm-hmm. Jason (08:50) And so it can get absolutely exhausting because so much is nonsense. You know, as as you guys know, it's it's ⁓ there is there I think, you know, it's it's it works best when there's truth sprinkled in with misinformation, disinformation, deception, you know, all that stuff. And so filtering through all that is extremely exhausting sometimes. Neo (09:04) Yes. Well, I think that's what's missing, right? Is proof. And that's what it comes down to. mean, the UFO claims change constantly. There's, you know, more insiders are coming forward all the time. Does your belief because of all of this does Android (09:07) Yeah. Neo (09:27) Does your belief in aliens and extraterrestrials and life on, you know, in other worlds, has that changed at all? Has it slightly changed? Have you seen anything that has made you think that, I mean, we are true. We are believers at heart, but from the information that we're gathering, what's that make you feel like now? Right. Andrew's been planning to do one with you. He's been, Andrew's been planning to. Jason (09:44) Right. Yeah, I I I have never had a an abduction experience or something, you know, myself. ⁓ I have there have been a couple of things. Well Okay, okay. What color? I I'll just so that I know when to nope. shh. Okay. Well Android (09:57) Yeah, it's gonna be Neal and I in a van. Neo (09:59) Yeah. You want... Yeah. That's right. He wants you to be scared of any van that passes by. Yeah. Android (10:02) Nope. No, no. That's all y you're not gonna believe the abduction if you know what color the van is. Jason (10:11) Perfect. well, ⁓ but but I have seen a couple of things, you know, a couple of different instances that that were truly hard to explain. And and ⁓ can I say it's non-human? No, of course I can't, because I just I don't know. ⁓ but you know, I think a lot of people have probably had similar things. ⁓ yeah, it's it's for for me at least. ⁓ there I think that there is a very Neo (10:24) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. you Jason (10:40) There is a small percentage of truth out there. And I think that there is a lot of misidentification. I think there's a lot of deliberate nonsense. I think there's a lot of, you

know, there is psyop stuff going on. ⁓ and so, you know, filtering through all that is tricky. But for me, I've never, you know, I've never been abducted or anything. I I come at this with a I'm open to ideas. Let's put it that way. But I but I try to stay very grounded and and I do believe that there is something to the Neo (11:02) Sure. Yes. Android (11:04) Right. Jason (11:09) Phenomena, whether it is ghosts, whether it is, you know, aliens, whether it is ultraterrestrials, all that stuff. There's something to it, and especially when you mix it in with consciousness. ⁓ but I don't, you know, unfortunately, I don't have absolute firsthand proof. I wish I did. ⁓ I'm continuously looking for that, but there are so many claims, Neal, like you said, and ⁓ those seem to continue to grow, like we're about to talk about. ⁓ you know, they're Neo (11:15) Yes. Yes. Yeah. And, and you've said, but you've said something that's very important and it was the word grounded. We, our channels are, have a responsibility to stay grounded with all of the other nonsense that comes out. And I think, I think you do an amazing job at staying grounded and delivering that information, you know, from that, that Jason (11:36) It just it's it's an interesting snowball effect that seems to happen over and over. And ⁓ so Android (11:40) Yeah. Neo (12:02) standpoint. And I think that's what's important. And even when it gets frustrating and that frustration passes as influencers or as an artist and a deliverer of this type of news, ⁓ the frustration does pass. And then you realize, as long as we stay grounded, stay truthful. And that's what you do. You do so well. ⁓ I think that proof is in the pudding in your channels and the following. Yeah, it's amazing. Jason (12:28) thank you. Well I'm glad it comes across that way. Android (12:28) Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey, Jason, I got a question. Do you find it that I know that we're talking about truth and being grounded and all that, but what I've noticed through all these people that keep coming out, it just seems more like instead of getting to the truth of the matter, it's more like a one up. Like I'm gonna one up that guy's story, and then I'm gonna one up this guy's story. I mean, that's that's what it seems like to me. Is that how you feel as well? I mean Jason (12:45) Mm. Especially with some some of the claims and some of the h dare I say characters that come through. ⁓ it it it really does feel like that sometimes. Yeah. Because ⁓ again, you know, you'll have someone that comes out whether it's ten years ago, whether it's two years ago, and they'll do interviews, they'll do the podcast circuit, they'll do, you know, what all the the the press stuff that they do, ⁓ and ⁓ they'll say certain things and then slowly Android (13:00) Right. Jason (13:22) You know, you'll hear more and more and that builds, and then someone else comes out and like like you're explaining, it's almost like a one-up. They'll they'll well, yeah, there's there's this, but there's you know, my source told me this. And then ⁓ it does seem that there's this kind of constant, you know, struggle for everyone to to to claw their way up to the top, so to speak. And and it's a it's an interesting thing to to see. And you know, look, I hope some of this stuff proves to be true somehow, however that is, you know, however that would play out. ⁓ I know most people want somebody to wheel out an alien in a wheelbarrow on the White House lawn and that'll, you know, that that's it for them. I then I know it's true. I mean, you know, whatever it may be, ⁓ I do think I I there is, I think, enough to this to where historically, ⁓ to where there really is something there, but it has gotten so out of control in so many ways for, you know, money, for for just Neo (13:52) For sure. Well, that's exactly right. Jason (14:20) s silly fame for, you know, all those all those reasons. The incentives are there for people to kind of go, well, I mean, if I say this next time, maybe you know, I'll it's unfortunate, but it does feel like everybody's kind of one upping sometimes. Android (14:22) Yeah. Neo (14:27) Yeah. That's exactly right. You nailed that. It really... Android (14:30) Yeah. Yeah. Well well, we were we were gonna have Grusch on, but we couldn't afford the twenty grand. So Neal said, How much do you have in your savings? And I was like, I've got sixteen dollars and he's like, I think I can get Jason from Hallucination Hippies So Jason (14:45) Yeah. Perfect. Well I you know, I don't know if my vocabulary is as as as deep as as Grush's, but I'll try, you know. He's a s yeah, he's a smart guy. Yeah. It's Neo (14:51) He's very articulate that is for darn sure I Had to look up some of his words that he was using but anyway, yeah, especially his what was the bro the bro or alpha alpha bro? He's an alpha bro All right, we're get into that Jason last time you were You were here Grusch David Grusch had already become one of the biggest names Android (14:54) He's a thesaurus. Thesaurus, he's a thesaurus, yeah. Jason (15:03) ⁓ yeah. That was funny. Emma G (15:04) my god, that scene that really just ⁓ that really got me Neo (15:17) in the disclosure conversation because of what he told Congress in 2023. But now since his return with claims ⁓ that have gone much further, he says that the United States possesses crash non-human craft, recovered bodies, classified videos, biological samples, and knowledge of several different forms of non-human intelligence. All great stuff. And this time, though, he says he personally watched some of that evidence. So before we get into the bodies and the grays and all the reptilians and the alleged conflict and the underwater bases, let's quickly establish who David Grusch is for our listeners and why people took his original claims so seriously. David Grusch isn't somebody that became involved with UFOs because he saw a strange light as a child. He has said that as far as he can remember, he

has never had a personal encounter with the phenomenon. Emma G (16:01) Mm. Jason (16:02) Right. Right. Neo (16:14) like Jason, he's never had that encounter either. But his route into this story came through the United States intelligence community. Grusch served in the United States Air Force and worked as an intelligence officer for approximately 15 years. His public biography includes work with the National Reconnaissance Office, the agency responsible for America's spy satellites, and the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, which analyzes imagery and location based intelligence. In 2019, he became the National Reconnaissance Office's representative to the government's UAP task force, and he later became a co-lead for UAP analysis at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. In other words, his job placed him near these systems and near these agencies, near these classified programs and near the people that would theoretically know if the government had collected extraordinary information about unidentified objects and such. Now, I'm not going to spend time on the circumstances surrounding Gresh's departure from the NRO or his publicly documented mental health crisis. I think those details are part of the public record, but neither one is going to prove nor disprove the claims that we're going to examine today. And you can look it up and find out about it. was unfortunate what he went through. Now Grusch says he did. He entered the assignment that he got. ⁓ It's skeptical, but he was willing to investigate it. And he also expected that if a legitimate classified American program existed, he would eventually be given access to it. But instead he says he encountered blocked access, hidden compartments, retaliation, and people who told him that the United States had been recovering and attempting to reverse engineering non-human craft for decades. So he got frustrated in 2023, Grusch then went public. And he testified under oath before Congress that he had been informed during that time of a multi-decade crash retrieval and reverse engineering program. This is what he told us in 2023. And he said people with the direct knowledge told him that non-human biological material had been recovered with some of the craft. That testimony also made him one of the most recognizable figures in the modern disclosure movement. That's when he popped on my radar. But it also produced the biggest criticism of his story. Because we should note Grusch had not publicly presented a craft or a piece of material, a biological sample, a photograph or a video. His most extraordinary public claims were based largely largely on classified documents and conversations with other people. He said he had interviewed approximately 40 witnesses over several years and provided classified information to inspectors general and members of Congress and the public, however, could not examine. any of that evidence. So here we are. So the argument around David Grusch is simple.

Back then, believers said, look, look at his credentials. Look at the people willing to speak to him. Look at the risks he's taking by going public. He's telling the truth. And then skeptics said, well, he's still telling us what other people are telling him. And now in 2026, he appears on Joe Rogan and He says, and this was on September 30th, 2026, Grusch returns to the Joe Rogan experience for a conversation that lasted more than two and a half hours. And after he says, after his congressional testimony in 2023, Grusch had gone from being a whistleblower speaking to Congress to working for Congress. And in 2025, representative Eric Burlison hired him as a professional staff member. And he worked roughly a year and a half behind the scenes on UAP issues. But The biggest change was not his job. In 2023, his claims came from those classified documents and conversations with other people, as I mentioned. But this time in 2026 on Joe Rogan, he said he personally watched some of the evidence and we're going to dive into some of those claims that he has made right now. In his first claim, he said he personally watched contemporary footage from a UFO retrieval operation. He says he watched operational videos showing approximately three or four bodies lying near a recovered craft. He described them as extremely human looking, unusually beautiful with long grayish hair and what appeared to be form-fitting clothing. His comparison was that they looked like Greek gods. Now, Grusch says he considered whether the footage could have been fabricated or shown to him as part of a Psyop. But he doubled down and he says he used other sources and methods to independently confirm that the event occurred and the video is real. In his second claim, he says the government is aware of more than one type of non-human intelligence. He, now we hear this a lot, but he mentioned small grays, tall grays, human looking or Nordic type beings, several kinds of reptilian looking creatures and what he described as sentient plasma like life. He does add that he personally only saw the human-looking bodied aliens from the crash retrieval video. But the descriptions of living reptilian beings and the other aliens came from people he says participated in retrieval operations and witnessed it firsthand. And he says one source allegedly described creatures more than seven feet tall with scaly skin and a build resembling a gorilla. Again, he made it clear he has not personally seen any of these beings. Android (21:50) videos of me in the shower, basically. my god, that thing looks like a gorilla. Yeah. Sorry Dave, I just we're just gonna we're gonna just tell everybody here he was videoing me in the shower. Neo (21:52) Yes. Yeah, that's right. It's just, it's just not seven feet tall. ⁓ Well, those videos are public. Your videos are public. You do put them out there. That's right. That's right. We found the video. Yeah. All right. Now in his third claim, Grusch talks about an alleged reptilian associated crash site where dead grays were reportedly also recovered. And he said the information he reviewed appeared to show some form of conflict between non-human groups. Android (22:09) They're they're true, yeah. On my OnlyFans page for the most part, so Jason (22:13) All right, I'm calling Burlison and letting him know right now. Neo (22:32) He qualifies this statement. says, said it looked like conflict from a human perspective, but that the government could be interpreting the scene incorrectly. So he's not going to claim to understand an alien war or know why these alleged groups might be fighting. He is saying that government intelligence has documented something that appeared to be non-human intelligence in conflict with other non-human intelligence. Android (23:00) Does it look like they're shooting at the at each other? No, not at all. That looks like a gunshot. No, no, no. I'm not sure. You know, I'm just not sure. ⁓ that guy beside me, his head just exploded. Nah, this he was very he had a bad headache, and that's what happens to them. You just don't understand the species. It's like, yeah. Thanks, Dave. Neo (23:02) Yeah, no, no, Yeah, yeah, they're just just battling up. Yeah, yeah, it'll all come out. It'll all come out. Yeah. All right. In his fourth claim, Grusch says the government knows about what appears to be an active base of operations beneath the ocean. He described it as enormous, possibly spanning several city blocks. Jason (23:05) Ha ha ha. Yeah. Neo (23:32) with unidentified objects coming and going. did not identify its location or provide coordinates or sonar records or any photographs or satellite imagery. He said the methods used to detect and monitor it involve sensitive naval capabilities that cannot be revealed to the public. And in what I'm calling his fifth but foundational claim of all his claims, he says the United States has recovered intact and partially intact non-human craft. They recovered biological material. They preserved bodies for analysis and attempted to reverse engineer the technology. is one that everyone claims that has a whistleblower t-shirt. All the whistleblowers say this. But when Joe Rogan asked if these craft are so advanced, why are they crashing? Grusch referred back to the alleged conflict we just talked about between non-human groups, stating that some of these crafts are being damaged or brought down. Jason (24:00) Covered by a lot of materials, they prefer to analysis editing percent you check out. Everyone clean Neo (24:28) because aliens are fighting one another in the skies above us. I love this claim. He says that operation he says he says that operation has been hidden through extreme compartmentalization through private contractors, the classified programs and just plain restricted access even from the members of Congress responsible for oversight. But yet he knows about it. And he says people attempting to expose it have been threatened. They've been

professionally retaliated against. and possibly targeted physically. Okay. Now, Grusch says the government is approaching a moment when it may finally acknowledge that non-human intelligence exists and that the United States possesses recovered material. That's his sixth claim that we're going to be covering today. He believes that threshold for disclosure will happen before President Trump leaves office. All right. So that is the world David Grusch is describing. It's recovered craft, it's recovered bodies, it's several kinds of non-human intelligence, it's possible conflict. Android (25:00) Mm. Neo (25:26) between them. There's a mass a massive base beneath the ocean and a government that may finally be preparing to admit that at least some of it is real. So Jason, I want to unpack this with you for a minute. What is this doing for disclosure? First off, because this is the reason let's remind our listeners, this is the reason he is speaking out is for disclosure, but his claims have drastically changed with more details. There's different timelines. There's all kinds of ⁓ What he's seen, what others have seen, are people paying attention or are they zoning out on this? What is this doing for us for disclosure? Jason (26:07) ⁓ boy. ⁓ that's a slippery slope. I think so. I think that there was a lull for a bit. I think people were pretty fried. This interview came out and it ignited this whole discussion, especially online. Of course, you know, everyone's just got their everyone's got their own opinions and it's it's there's some wild claims. Neo (26:27) Yep, but do you but yes, that's what I mean. Do you think it's because it's such wild claims and people are just like, what? Jason (26:33) Yeah. And and that's I I think people were looking for people were looking I at least I was. I think overall people were looking forward to seeing what Grusch had to say at this point because he's been fairly quiet, ⁓ overall. And so I think a lot of people tuned right in for that and they're, you know, r following along. Okay, okay. And then all of a sudden they're going, huh? What what you know, I mean, I think that there was that shock moment because he hadn't said any of that stuff before. So Neo (26:44) Yes. Yeah, right. Yeah. Jason (27:00) It you know, there was some wild stuff that he said. now he also you know, he also stuck to his guns on a lot of the foundational things that he had he had already discussed previously and and shared with Congress. But I I would say that it definitely ignited Neo (27:11) Sure. But it was nothing like it's nothing like what he shared on Joe Rogan and what he shared in Congress was completely a different story. Jason (27:20) No. No. And part of me wonders there is a process where Dopser, for example, when you're writing a a memoir or whatever it is, ⁓ there it goes through this process, right? Of being approved. And so there is, you know, those types of processes do take place behind the scenes. And I I wonder if some

of that perhaps he would have talked about, but couldn't at that time. Android (27:23) Yeah. Right. Neo (27:48) Interesting. Okay. Jason (27:49) And perhaps some things maybe went through a certain process and he was able to open up a little more. ⁓ that would be one thought. But you know, the other the flip side of that is is ⁓ you know, like we're discussing discussing a bit earlier, is how how do people come out, especially people that maybe didn't have a top secret clearance like Grusch? ⁓ they'll say one thing and then suddenly Neo (28:02) It's point. Mm-hmm. Jason (28:16) It's this whole, you know, mounting story of all these other crazy wild things and all of a sudden it's like, What? Why didn't you just say that in the first place? So people I think it it definitely it it I think it affected people in both ways. Neo (28:19) Yeah. Yeah, he had it was interesting. ⁓ You bring up a good point. ⁓ You know, maybe he was waiting for permissions, but I also gathered from that interview ⁓ that he has he had been he has been struggling since coming out and being coming in whistleblower it seemed like Android (28:24) Right. Neo (28:46) It's seen, I don't know if he was just me saying that to say it or if it was true. there may, there may be a lot of guarded, ⁓ escalation from him that, know, to come out because, ⁓ you know, the heavy is the crown, right? And, and when you come out and say these things, ⁓ now, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna blow disclosure wide open. It may not be going the way he thought it was going to go. And. Jason (29:02) Mm-hmm. Neo (29:14) Now, you know, there's that hesitation to come out and do it. I, may even have regrets that he went on Joe Rogan at, you know, and said these things. It could have been. Jason (29:22) He may ha yeah, he may. Android (29:23) You know, here here's the thing in all of that. All these guys, every one of these whistleblowers, the one thing that they all have in common is this. With me telling you this, it's putting my life in danger. Right? So my life is in danger, right? So David Grush's life has been in danger since 2023 when he when he spoke first, because they all say the same thing. Greer talks about that every time he speaks about how his life is in danger. But since my life is in such grave danger, Neo (29:44) Right. you Android (29:50) I'm gonna go on one of the top podcasts and disclose all this stuff that I never spoke about before. Why? Doesn't that put your life in immediate danger to do that? I mean Emma G (30:00) Well well also vis visibility is protection. If I'm going out and I'm alive and showing that I'm here, you know, then if I'm suddenly dead, that's you know, very questionable. Neo (30:07) Good point. Yeah, it's true. Well, let me ask you this. It's a good point. It's all both good points. But let me ask David. ⁓ Jason is David is David Grusch here. ⁓ Jason ⁓ is since he testified in 2023, and all the stuff he's come out with has anything in the Android (30:12) Then you'll know that they got me 'cause of my disclosure. Jason (30:14) That was it. Android (30:24) Yeah, I'm right here. Hi Neal Neo (30:33) been independently verified in your opinion as anything anything that he's he's claiming? Yeah. Yeah. Jason (30:40) Well, I mean, again, it ⁓ so much is just claims, and and there's a lot of what we get are just claims, ⁓ or from sources or you know, what have you. But as far as tangible evidence, ⁓ he does talk about he he points out about the 1952 ⁓ you know, that audio. There is video with it, but the audio was released in I think the sixth tranche or whatever. and I believe it's 52, but but it's this discussion, blue book discussion about ⁓ you know, kind of what was going on. And people don't know what it is, but they have an idea of, you know, certain things, but other things they're not sure. And the, you know, it's that that there was that closed door blue book discussion. ⁓ and so, you know, that was released. So I know that, you know, there are certain things that are coming out. I Neo (31:13) Yeah. Jason (31:35) I didn't find any bombshells in that. ⁓ you know, but I think that that's what people are looking for are bombshells. But sometimes you have to dig deeper and read between the lines and you, you know, and you and and you gather more context and and things start to make more sense that way versus, you know, a video of a of a scaly gorilla. You know what I mean? which I'm sure everyone would they they're waiting for something like that, you know. But ⁓ but I mean as far as Neo (31:37) Right. Yeah, right. Love to see. Android (32:00) Yeah. Well, it's here. Jason (32:02) Yeah, yeah. a a lot of what he's said is has remained ⁓ within skiffs and these discussions that take place. And I think that Burlison is truly and there I I do fully believe that there are people in this topic that are truly curious about getting to some sort of the truth and you know, once and for all, so to speak. And I think Burlison is one of those people, and it does sound like he is. He is taking Grush's claims seriously enough. you know, I we get one end of it, but but the skiff, you know, behind those closed doors, they get another end. And it it does make you wonder like what is so compelling that continues to push these people to really try to because if there was nothing there, there I mean they they've got so many other things to do, you know? So it's yeah. So Neo (32:36) Well, let's, Yeah. Yeah. Well, we could dissect that a million different ways. we really could. And you brought up Burlison and I just want to, this, this is kind of in the news that day. did a video on it, ⁓ about Grusch's video claim that he saw, you know, the, the Greek God aliens. ⁓ and then he said it was contemporary video. ⁓ and then Burlison came out and said, he's now looking for that video. So. Grusch worked for him for almost two years. It was a year and a half, 17 months. And if Grusch said on Rogan that he verified that that event

had happened and, you know, made sure that the connection, I guess, to the video was verified or whatever, and etc. I wasn't clear on whether he was verifying the event happened or that the video was authentic. He didn't deny that the video wasn't authentic. Jason (33:49) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Neo (33:52) But he also was skating around. was so fast. went by, the aliens was like, ⁓ that kind of stuff. If you haven't seen this guys, you should jump on Joe Rogan and check it out to our listeners. ⁓ My question would be, what was he doing for those 17 months that he was with Burlison? And he had, he said he had taken years to verify that. So he obviously had been working on that prior to working with Burlison. I'm assuming. And he says contemporary video now, contemporary video dates. I looked it up. I was thinking contemporary meant the last 10 years 15 it goes back to 1945 contemporary video from 1945. That's what's considered contemporary to to today. I think I think I'm interpreting that right. Let me could. Yeah, let me could you confirm that just look that up see what contemporary means in times in terms of years. ⁓ So what what what do you think? Now, when Burlison says now I'm looking for that video that he's talking about that he talked about on Joe, right? You don't think he Android (34:26) Yeah. Yep. Jason (34:28) Mm. Android (34:32) No, you're I think you're right too, yeah. Jason (34:33) Interesting. Neo (34:50) You think he brought this up with Burlison? Don't you think that even if he did, he has all the connections to get to that video? Jason (34:56) Yeah, I he in my opinion, I cannot believe that he would not have brought this up with Burlison during the time that that he was working with him, right? and that then leads me to wonder ⁓ how much information did he give Burlison about it because he was very guarded and for good reason, you know. And I I respect what he was saying about, you know, look, the guy's a patriot. I don't want to out anybody, I don't want to put anyone, you know. Android (35:06) Right. Right. Yeah. Neo (35:11) Right. Mm-hmm. Yep. Jason (35:26) in a in a position like that and and also you know obviously it's highly classified stuff so he had to be very he had to dance very carefully around what he was saying and Rogan pushed a little bit but he was you know he was very resistant to to giving too much information so I you know did he give Burlison exactly who it was? That's that's a good question because you would imagine he definitely gave him a good amount of information about it. Neo (35:35) Yeah. Yeah. you Jason (35:55) How deep did he go with Burlison? ⁓ because then it it it boils down to if he did give Burlison the source, then Burlison probably has to be very careful about, you know, that brings again, it brings up all kinds of other details that certain people probably don't want to surface, you know, the event itself, where that stuff went, ⁓ you know, all the all the things that fall in line with with retrievals and and the you know the whole program legacy. Neo (36:13) Yes, right. Mm-hmm. Jason (36:24) ⁓ program. So ⁓ I I would imagine that he gave Burlison a good amount of detail, if not the source, but who knows? ⁓ Right. Right. Neo (36:30) Yeah. Well, wasn't it wasn't that his job when he's with Burlison wasn't this to investigate these things and and then secondly, did it seem like to you and we can we'll move on from this. I don't want to I don't want to beat this to death. Did it seem like it seemed like from Burleson's press comments that he didn't know about? Emma G (36:36) Mm. Jason (36:53) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It did it it was it was ⁓ almost, you know, Burlison has probably heard ten million things by now. And so maybe it slipped through. Right. It's Andrew. and so you know, I'm sure he's heard it. ⁓ You're not sleeping, are you? ⁓ Android (36:53) Yes. Neo (37:02) Of course, yes. Yeah. He probably gets calls late at night from prank callers. Yeah. Yeah. Android (37:11) Hey mister Burlison. It's me, Andrew again. You're not asleep, are you? Hey listen, I've got a video of some Greys with a scaly gorilla i in the shower. Neo (37:17) I have the video. It's me again. It's me again. It's me again. Hi, Eric. It's me, Andrew. Yeah, Yes. Well, and that's the other thing. The fact that you said that's something that would stick when when Jason (37:23) ⁓ ⁓ so I'm sure he's heard a million things and I'm sure some of it has stuck, some of it hasn't. That to me would be one of those things that would stick, you know, I I would imagine. ⁓ but he did Neo (37:44) Grusch is telling us about the video. Now I like this guy. I just don't know. I don't know how to take them. And I, I'm not, it's not a bash, but he would say, well, I don't recall. Well, that's the only alien video you've probably ever seen in your life. You don't recall what you've seen or how you saw it was so fast. It went so, and then, know, then it was further away. Then it was, know, it was all these things. And he kept saying, I don't recall. was, let me think. I don't know if I remember. What do you mean? I would, that would be emblazoned in my head for the rest of my life. Jason (38:13) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I almost wonder if he he started to backtrack a little bit. He he he maybe divulged he went a little further than he planned or thought he would, and then he was kind of, you know, taking some steps back trying to, yeah, gather himself a bit. So who knows? I don't know. Neo (38:14) I would be drawing pictures of it. I don't know. He might have. Yes. Right. Got caught up. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. He'll take the hit on backtracking on that. All right. Well, let me ask one question. And I do want to, I want to follow up with Andrew on something in a second on the other whistleblowers that I know that Andrew was looking into, but let's just say, well, no, actually I got two thoughts. I got two thoughts. Let's just say that just on Grush's claims, just, yes, I have two thoughts

and that's it. I'm tired. Android (38:29) Mm, mm, mm. Two thoughts? Neo (38:53) it let's just say that on brushes claims only what would be what what what should be released for what would be released that let's just say would be you know would do it what would make you believe his claims or what do you think should come out first of his claims that we would see proof of that would matter Jason (39:19) Boy. yeah. Yeah. Neo (39:19) You know, you got documents, videos, materials, whatever, biological analysis, what would do it? Because AI video is really in the way now. You got, you don't know what to believe anymore, but what do you think would make you believe that all these claims exist? Jason (39:25) You know I Yeah. Well, I I do think and I think it would be very beneficial to get third party, unbiased, scientific minds, tests, you know, perhaps the scientists that ran tests on the the biologics, whatever that is. ⁓ but somehow, and again, you know, you know, in this game, you don't know who's been compromised or who will be compromised. So that's a tough that's that's even tough. Neo (39:49) Yep. you Jason (40:00) with videos, you could say, well, you know, super good AI, or that's been, you know, doctored is this, that, the other documents, the same thing. So then you get to like, okay, could we get somebody scientists, third party, you know, unbiased, or or several parties, you know, perhaps it's not just one group, perhaps it's several, ⁓ and get these results of of these, you know, biologics or whatever it is to them, get their studies fully transparently released, you know. that I think. feel would be pretty beneficial because you could perhaps ⁓ get a scientific view, you know, and and base some stuff on real data that way. Of course a video, you know, of you know, this this little pan video that he saw would be amazing, but ⁓ there could be plenty of arguments with that. And ⁓ so I don't know. I think I think somehow getting ⁓ I think he mentioned ⁓ getting Eric Weinstein involved or something, but you know, get some easy yeah. Neo (40:57) yes you did say that yeah and then yes and then but joe also said he goes why you giving it to him give me the yeah i'll verify yeah Jason (40:59) Get some of these ⁓ scientists that perhaps were involved or have not been yet, and get a few points of of data, you know, and and release that. Perhaps that would that would All right. Give it to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Neo (41:17) That was that was hilarious. All right. So I do believe and I don't know. Here's my thought too on this. All these people that come out with all these different claims. I do think they give us all this details, but they don't give us the names and they'll give us dates and they'll give us all that. think someone is about to do that. I believe that that's the only way disclosure is going to happen is that it's going to come out to the point where it is like WikiLeaks. You know what I mean? It's going to come out and you're going to have those names and you're to have those dates and that's what's going to blow disclosure. completely wide open. It's going to happen. But why haven't they done it? at this point, Grusch, why not come out and say this video was shot on this date and it was at this event and this is guy who told me about it. Good luck, everybody. And you know, walk away because then the doors will open up and that will be that. Why aren't they doing that? You think for their lives, they're feared for their lives or they'll be arrested or what? Because at that point, I don't think anything will happen. Jason (41:57) Yeah. One. Yeah, I you know, ⁓ I know that there are there are definitely people who do not want certain information out. And if in fact some of that does ⁓ fall into treason or certain areas to where it is, you know, I mean that that would be scary, you know, whether whether you're changing the world or not, I mean that would suck changing the world and then having to view it from behind bars for the rest of your life. You know, I mean, that would suck. true. Maybe he can make some calls. ⁓ Neo (42:33) yeah right the aliens will get him out but yeah Jason (42:39) So, you know, I I th yeah, but I give I know what you're saying. ⁓ it's it's almost like that disclosure day thing. Neo (42:44) You've told us enough. Yeah, you told us so many details. You just didn't give us a name and a date. That's going to put you in jail. Jason (42:49) Yeah. Right. That wouldn't, but allegedly he Grusch specifically has given specific names and facility names and very specific allegedly, again, we don't know, but ⁓ if if we take what they're saying, you know, as truth, he has just he has done that behind closed doors, and that's part of what he was doing and working with them over the last seventeen months, ⁓ you know, with Burlison and and other members. You know, did Neo (42:59) Yeah, right. Yes, right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jason (43:20) How much of that really is true, we we don't know, but I mean that is that that is the word on the street. Neo (43:27) Yeah, well, I do know that ⁓ I do know that David Grusch watches mostly true alien stories. And so I'm just going to put it out there right now. ⁓ If you if we could be the first podcast to show that video of the aliens, that would be great. Don't you think that would be awesome? And I think we want the exclusivity. All right, Andrew, I am interested in the superhero team of whistleblowers and the closest connections between Grush's claims and what they or other insiders Jason (43:32) Course he does. Neo (43:54) say about him if you can give us a quick rundown on these to these these other correlations with the other whistleblowers that are going on is there any correlation to the claims that he's making and who in his camp are you know legitimately supporting what he has to say Android (43:57) Yeah. Okay, so the the first person that I uncovered is a gentleman by the name of Carl Nell. And Carl Nell now is a

retired US Army colonel, and he publicly supports Grusch. Nell worked on the UAP task force, and he has publicly endorsed Grush's credibility. However, Nell, through all of this, Nell himself has not publicly released. Neo (44:19) Yep. Right, okay. Android (44:38) verifiable evidence of recovered alien crafts or bodies. So here's a guy that says, yeah, I I I know Grusch and I, I I work with him and yeah, we we knew each other at the UAP parties and stuff, but ⁓ myself, I've never seen anything. and here I'm working on UAP, right? And I've never seen anything. Neo (44:57) Right. what what does it matter that he supports him? Does that just make you're just establishing that it is a credible guy? Android (45:02) I'm just establishing that these guys, these guys are whistleblowers as well. And their tie-in is Grusch. So they all know Grusch. So everybody that I'm gonna mention here has had a relationship with Grusch. And this just solidifies David a little bit more as being a credible person. But yet they have not seen the people that are these have not seen anything either. Neo (45:07) Yeah. Yeah, okay. Sure, they just think he's a respectable dude and, and ⁓ all of those things. You know, he was walked out of the NRO. What'd they say? They said about him, they said that he was Android (45:28) Yeah, yeah. And then our our favorite Neo (45:37) There was something that he did that was non-conforming or I don't know to his duties or something. And they walked him and a handful others out of that. it was before he became a whistleblower. So I don't know. You know, we don't know. Okay. So, yeah. Android (45:47) Did they do that for a dramatic effect? Possibly? To make it more exciting? You're out of order. Get out. Jason (45:54) multiple story beginning. Android (45:57) Right. Right. So then our our other favorite person, of course, is ⁓ Lou Elizond. Right. He was the former Pentagon UAP official. And, you know, at at the November ⁓ twenty twenty four congressional hearing, Elizondo was asked whether he agreed with Grush's allegation of a decades long crash retrieval and reversal engineering program. And he answered yes. Neo (46:05) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. Android (46:26) He also alleged that the secret UAP programs were operating without proper congressional oversight, whatever that means. I don't know what proper congressional oversight is, but he did not publicly identify the programs or produce recoverable alien technology as evidence. Neo (46:45) Right, so far no over two here. Okay. Yeah, who else? Android (46:48) Yeah, we're 0 for two. We're 0 for 2. we've got ⁓ Jake ⁓ Barber, who is a former Air Force ⁓ serviceman and recovery pilot. ⁓ he claims our direct recovery involvement, right? So this guy reported participation, but not the identification of an object as being non human. He just said, Yeah, we retrieved some stuff that was kind of cool looking, you know. I had never seen it before. But there's no public Neo (47:10) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Android (47:17) authentication alien artifacts or anything that he discovered. So all he said was Neo (47:22) Right, right. I don't think we're going to find anything that's authenticated. I don't think we'll find anything verified or authenticated. It's all the same. And I think what I'm looking for is we're getting, we're getting similar claims. I don't think I've heard anything yet unless you have somebody else on the list that is talking about an alien video or how about the underwater bases? Who's who else? There's, there's been a handful of those claims. Android (47:27) Right. Right. There's been a handful of underwater bases people, ⁓ but none of them can produce a video. None of them actually witnessed the underwater base. It's all the stories from somebody else that they got. That's my favorite thing in all of this. I heard from my Uncle Bill that ⁓ this guy that he knows saw this ship underneath the water traveling at he said a seemed like a thousand miles per hour. But there's been Neo (48:11) within that Admiral Gulladad or whatever his name go Gulladad is that how you say ⁓ Android (48:17) Yeah, yeah, they s they they show that remember there is that video of that thing supposedly moving under the water, but we have no idea what that is. We have no idea what that is. Jason (48:19) Sure, that's Neo (48:23) Yeah. Well, no, I know. And I'm not going to be able to figure that out with this. I'm really still just looking for who we got these whistleblowers telling the same stories or not. Are they all telling individually different stories? Android (48:37) Well, they all have different stories. They all have different things. So we've got Christopher Mellon, I mean Melton, sorry, ⁓ a government handling of UAP intelligence and reporting on the oversight's concerns. Then we've got this guy by the name of Dylan Borland, who had a firsthand account of a triangular object at Langley Air Force Base, right? Neo (48:51) yeah moreland yeah ⁓ I believe him I believe his claim about that Android (48:59) Okay. Right. Right. And then you've got David Frevor, ⁓ in 2004. He's the Navy TikTok, ⁓ Tic Tac encounter guy. ⁓ but not crash retrievals. He said he saw this ship, but that was it, right? we've got Ryan Graves, ⁓ who has been seeing encounters of identified objects. Basically, I this guy's gotta be freaking out because he's apparently he's been seeing these things his whole life. So it's not wasn't just one. There's been numerous unidentified objects that this guy has witnessed and has has talked about. So Neo (49:35) What about Matthew Brown because I wanted to talk about him and the Immaculate Constellation is that is that I think it's it's Grusch and Brown at this point. I don't know. I feel like Brown. He's gone silent a little bit, but he's just waiting for more permissions, I believe, and protections. Android (49:57) So if we if we took if we took the the accounts that ⁓ Grusch has said and the accounts of these other people, I kind of broke

it out to linking them all together, right? So secret programs, retrieval crashed and intact UFOs, that would go to Eric Davis. You know, the awards go to Eric Davis, Lou Elizondo, and Jake Barber. We're giving out awards, yeah, to the whistleblowers, right? Neo (50:17) ⁓ we're out awards to whistleblowers. Okay. And the greatest claim goes to Android (50:23) And the private and and the award for private defense contractors possess recovered technology goes to Carl Nell, our friend Carl Nell, ⁓ Lua Lou Elizondo, and Eric Davis. Yeah. Neo (50:36) Okay, yes, give it up for them. They're good. I'd like to thank my mother and my father. I'd also like to thank Android (50:39) So I mean, I put together all these things, right? So witnesses who have experienced retaliation or intimidation, that goes to Lou Elizondo and Dylan ⁓ Borland. So so you've got Neo (50:51) Dylan Borland, yeah. I think Borland's had it rough. I honestly think Borland's had it rough. Well, he was out of work, couldn't get jobs. I don't know. What is he doing now? Who is he working with? Did he get something? think no, no, no. think he started. I think he started a GoFundMe page or something because they needed support in some. I may be I may be speaking out of school. All right. Android (51:03) he's he's a sandwich artist, I heard. Jason (51:09) Mm-hmm. Neo (51:14) So, ⁓ all of these connections of these connections, ⁓ Jason, which one you think strengthens what Grusch is doing or his account for his claims? Is there any connections that we were kind of all over the place with these, guys? But I, point is this, they're all making these claims and not nothing has been verified. So which, which is the closest that you think is telling the truth. Jason (51:26) Anything I can go. But the they're all So I it is. It is. ⁓ because there are there are there are absolutely elements of David Grusch that make complete sense, that check out, you know, credibility wise and and for different reasons. ⁓ and then you can cross reference with similar claims made by Elizondo, which I will say this. Is it not strange that Elizondo calls him Grusch? Have you heard of have you? Neo (51:45) That's a tough question. That's a tough question. It is it is always he always does it that way yeah Yeah, maybe he's correct and a Grusch Grusch hasn't corrected anybody else Jason (52:15) And they worked together. Yeah. That's just very strange. No one else does, you know. ⁓ it's it's very interesting. It's like it makes no sense. Anyway. ⁓ maybe, yeah, that could be the case. I don't know. It's just interesting. ⁓ nonetheless. But but you know, and there are elements of of each of these guys that that check out. And but then then to your point, are have are they drinking from the same water source? Android (52:20) Right, right, yeah. Neo (52:45) Yeah. All right. Right. Jason (52:45) You know, I mean, are these just these kind of same sources who, you know, trickle down and and it just continues these these same stories, ⁓ with with a little bit of things mixed in here and there and some you know, s some outlandish stuff sounding outlandish, but ⁓ but you have to wonder, right? And then you can you can get so deep in this whole thing because you can take things at face value, but then you learn that maybe that's not the best decision in this topic. Neo (53:01) Yeah. Yeah. Jason (53:15) So then when you dig deeper, you go, well, okay, maybe these guys are all sincere. And maybe they are really telling their truth, right? But maybe, for example, Matthew Brown, super credible guy, very believable, comes across as sincere, and he really comes across as believing what he is saying. At least that's the way he comes across. Now, that, but that that's only as good as the Neo (53:26) Yeah? Yes. So. Android (53:37) Right. Yeah. Jason (53:42) the data or what he saw, you know, the source of what he he's relaying, because what if that was planted, which is a, you know, a kind of a common exactly. So it's so hard. Right. Could that be the case? I think it's plausible in some cases, you know? So it's it's hard to say. But the I do I do find credibility in different ways with each of these guys. But you know, like you said, Matthew Brown, ⁓ very compelling and and ⁓ and and certain things, you know, I mean grush. Neo (53:49) Yeah, misleading information. Yeah, they're getting misleading information. Yeah, right. Yeah. Lately, yeah. Jason (54:12) Even Elizondo, I know that he's polarizing a lot of people. ⁓ they're either team team loo or not, ⁓ but but the guy brings a lot of street cred for sure, and brings a lot of street cred on, you know, in questionable ways as well. So it it it it's really this this double edged sword. And I got a chance to to talk to Elizondo ⁓ at an event. It ⁓ he, George Knapp, Korbell were there were several guys, Neo (54:17) Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Android (54:40) wow. Neo (54:40) Yeah. Jason (54:41) And I got to ask them a question, and it was an interesting answer that he gave. So I asked why, in a nutshell quickly here, ⁓ why is the government in these UAP file dumps that they're they're giving us so graciously? Why is it a there was no data, zero context, nothing useful for anyone to really do anything with to get to any truth of what we're looking at? And B Why are they releasing things that have the government itself has already said, this is what it was? For example, this Lake Huron shoot down in 2023, they had already released that the one of these this thing was a a balloon. So so why why are you they didn't say that in the reports, you know, that that were released in the file dump. And his, you know, so I I asked basically that. And he said, ⁓ you know, and I said, Is there a method to this madness? And he said, Yeah, it's on purpose. So that makes you go, Neo (55:16) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jason (55:38) Huh? You know? Why why wh was what what you know, clearly you know more than I do and why do you say that? Like that's

interesting, you know? ⁓ so anyway, back to yeah, I mean Android (55:39) What R Neo (55:47) Do you know, do you know the appro you know the appro bulletin the appro bulletin where they they are in 40 what five they were founded and they would go out and they would have the same investigators and same hit regression if this hypnosis person It would be a handful of the same investigators that would go out and look into these stories, right, or these claims that were going on. And they ran for a long time, I think till 87 or so, and they have these files of all of these documents of the UFO stories. ⁓ And I believe that the government is either borrowing or leasing them or buying them or whatever, so they can do further investigations into these claims all through the years and find correlations, cetera, et cetera. I had a theory that Jason (56:22) Yeah, Mm. Mm-hmm. Neo (56:36) that the appro team were a, and I'm currently looking into this, ⁓ were a, ⁓ a group of very creative people who were sci-fi writers who couldn't get work. And they decided to investigate these, these claims. They may have had an interest in it, you know, where it was becoming a thing during the flaps and all of that. And they would go investigate these stories and then begin to embellish them. Jason (56:52) Hmm. Neo (57:05) So they would sell because they were selling these bulletins, the A.P.R.O. bulletin for I think 10 bucks a month or whatever it was. And then it would drive this membership up. And now they have, they have all these now to this day, then they have all these investigators and these people over. But if you look at that whole, like 30 year span, was the same people that would do the investigation, the same people that were writing up these reports and the same people that were telling these stories and putting them in their bulletins and putting them out there. And you would pay your membership to be a part of this. Jason (57:32) And pay your membership. Neo (57:34) and they grew and grew and grew. Now, it's a wild theory, but what if they're the ones that created the longest running story ever about UFOs and alien encounters? It's interesting, right? It's very interesting. All right, I got one more thing I wanted to look into before ⁓ we wrap it up and weigh in. ⁓ Lemon. Jason (57:38) It's a wild. But ⁓ what if they're the law run? I like that theory. That's interesting. Yes. Neo (58:02) Can you share some info on who David Rush was before this life before his public stuff? I know nothing about him prior to him becoming a whistleblower prior to him being in the military. Is he a brother, sister's mom's dad does easy married kids? Okay. What's the deal? Where's Emma G (58:10) Hm. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, he's got it all. He's got it all. He's got a mom, dad, younger brother. ⁓ he describes himself as growing up in a like a blue-collar household ⁓ in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Go PA. Woo. ⁓ yeah, he attended well, he does he describes his childhood as ⁓ again, blue collar. He said that they didn't have a lot of Neo (58:31) Okay. Yeah, right. Sure. Yep. Emma G (58:41) money for him they didn't have enough money for him to go to college. So he got a scholarship, an ROTC scholarship to the University of Pittsburgh. That's how he actually got into you know military associations. ⁓ but growing up he he played basketball, he played tennis, ⁓ he was Catholic. ⁓ he is married now and he has kids. His wife was a CIA medical officer ⁓ and also was a member of the Air Force. So yeah, yeah. So that's that's pretty much what I found about him. He he doesn't his it he doesn't go too deeply into his childhood and apparently now he's he lives a pretty remote life and in interviews he describes himself as ⁓ hiking a lot. He hikes with his dog a lot, ⁓ outside of these appearances and the work that he's doing with the government, I suppose. ⁓ Android (59:15) Weird. Neo (59:15) Okay. Mm hmm. Okay, I thought I thought it was interesting. Thanks, lemon. I thought it was interesting too that he said he's trying to get reenlisted. Emma G (59:41) So that's pretty much what I what I found about him. Neo (59:52) So he could collect his, he can't get his pension or he can't get it. Yeah. He can't get any of that stuff. So that's a lot of, a lot going on with him in terms of that. Okay. I think it is time to weigh in, but let me clarify what we're going to weigh in on. We're not deciding whether David Grusch is a good person or whether he served honorably or whether he sincerely believes what he is saying. Emma G (59:52) Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Jason (1:00:00) Go up on him. Okay, I think it's kind of clarifying what Neo (1:00:16) I, we're not going to hold, we're not going to also, we're not going to hold six separate trials for the grays and reptilians and the Greek gods and the alien warfare and the alien bases underwater. ⁓ we're going to weigh in on a central claim underneath all of it. Has the United States recovered non-human craft and biological material and concealed that evidence from the public and from meaningful congressional oversight? I think that's a fair way to weigh in. Jason (1:00:16) I and we're not gonna hold we're not gonna also we're not gonna hold seven trials. ⁓ we should ⁓ extend that ⁓ Neo (1:00:43) I know we may stray from that as we're weighing in a bit, but I think that's the central core of this. can't prove any of this and we can't debunk any of it. So we're just weighing in on whether the overall story appears more likely to contain a mostly true report or not. right, based on only what we discussed today through the POV of David Grush's claims. And that's how we're going to do this. All right, so are you ready to weigh in, guys? Android (1:01:11) Yeah, I had I had one thing that I that I left out when I was giving away my awards. And the last award was for non-human biological material has ever been recovered. And the award goes to no one. The no name can be put to it. We we only we only have

alleged witnesses and independently ⁓ identifiable public sources. So Neo (1:01:27) Yes. Should. We're not giving out that award today. huh. All right. All right. Jason (1:01:28) No day. Android (1:01:40) No award will be given out tonight for ⁓ non human biological material has ever been recovered. I'm just I hope so. I hope so. Jason (1:01:43) not human biomethod. Neo (1:01:46) Maybe at next year's event. Next year's event. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, so I think it's time to weigh in then based on that. Lemon we're gonna start with you. Lemon is this a mostly true alien story or not? Android (1:01:55) Okay. Emma G (1:01:59) Gonna say yes, you guys are gonna kill me. But I just I feel that Grusch tends to do himself a disservice, or maybe not himself. Actually, I'm gonna I'm gonna rephrase that. I I I think he's doing a lot of this. He says it's for the people, but I think he he does a lot for himself as well, and that's where it's doing the information a disservice because I think that we can. Jason (1:02:02) Actually, I'm gonna go back. I have I've maybe doing a lot of words for the tool, but I think that's the same information. ⁓ Emma G (1:02:27) We can sense that. He holds information back to also stay involved in the conversation on the other side. So I you know, for the people, we're like, just tell us the information. Just tell us. But you can tell to Jason's point that yeah, that he's holding himself back. Now it I want to bring up the conversation of whistleblowers in other places, like in on other topics. So ⁓ you have Neo (1:02:42) Or show the proof. Emma G (1:02:56) We have John Kiriku, who is the whistleblower for the torture program that the CIA had that came out in 2007. We have Andrew Basiago who came out about Project Pegasus, which is the time travel project that the United States government was doing. And these people, ⁓ you can tell, just sacrificed everything when they came out and blew the whistle on the information that they were giving. ⁓ and they Neo (1:03:00) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Emma G (1:03:25) Did not hold back. Now, John has come on on a lot of podcasts, and he he blatantly states that he is going to hold certain information back because either at certain points he felt that he was in danger, but then also because his life, his personal life, has suffered and he wants to get in the better graces of the government. Neo (1:03:51) Yeah. Jason (1:03:53) He wants to get the idea very transparent person and brush, you know, it's kind of basically happening, right? Like watching it on so I do think I think it's it's but I think Emma G (1:03:56) So and he is very transparent about that versus Grusch, who, you know, is kind of it's he it's happening right at like right now. We're watching it unfold right now. And so I I do think I do think he is saying true things, but I think it's very difficult to Neo (1:04:20) Be the first guy or the mate that guy that's giving the biggest claims. Emma G (1:04:25) Yeah, he's not like he's not totally sacr sacrificing himself on the totem pole, you know, and so it it makes it difficult. That's my thought. Jason (1:04:25) Yeah, they got like that we that's right in the Neo (1:04:35) Okay, very good. Lemon says it is a mostly true alien story. And now I'm going to go to Andrew Andrew. The United States recovered non-human craft and biological material and concealed that evidence from the public and from meaningful congressional oversight. According to the brushes claims. Is this a mostly true alien story or not? Android (1:04:55) ⁓ I say the proof is in the pudding. ⁓ if you're going to truly be a whistleblower, then be a freaking whistleblower. Name names, say it all, or don't say anything at all. So I'm gonna say, no, this is not a mostly true alien story. No true, real evidence has been produced. And therefore, I cannot say that this is a mostly true alien story. I want whistleblowers that say, my life is in danger. But I'm gonna tell you anyway because I know all this and I want the truth to get out. And then if they get killed, they get killed, but they they know they died telling the truth instead of telling a partial story or a possible made up story. So no, it's not a mostly true alien story. Neo (1:05:41) Well, I could have guessed that you were going to say it was not a mostly true alien story and you were very angry about it. So I hope you don't run into any whistleblowers. And so lemon says, Jason (1:05:48) Ha ha ha. Android (1:05:50) No, I shake their hands. I'll shake their hand if they if I do. Neo (1:05:53) I don't. Yeah. They're going to go, Hey, I found the gorilla. There it is. The spiky gorilla. There it is. All right. So, ⁓ lemon says it is a mostly true alien story. Andrew says it is not. And he said it very angrily. I'm now going to hand it over to our special guest, Jason Rose from hallucination hippies. Is this a mostly true alien story or not? can't wait to hear what you say. Android (1:06:00) B Jason (1:06:13) Yeah. ⁓ Well, I, as I've said, I I try to approach this in a balanced, you know, way. ⁓ I try to base whatever we can on data that is tough sometimes. But I think historically there has been enough that points to some sort of program or programs that they have spent an enormous amount of resources, an enormous amount of money, who knows how much really. ⁓ There have, you know, been some very sketchy, ⁓ tragic endings for certain people along the way. Is it directly connected? Who knows? But ⁓ there seems to be something there that's worth protecting. So I am going to say yes in that sense of this program, of some sort of program that has been dedicated to something. that falls within this phenomena, figuring it out in whatever way it is. ⁓ now, a lot of the claims along the way, nonsense, you know, but do I think that there's something to a program, a long standing program to to figure something out about this topic and make sense of it? ⁓ it does seem to point that way for me. Yeah. Neo (1:07:40) All right, very

good. This is awesome. All right. He's got lemon says, yes, it is a mostly true alien story. Andrew says, no, it is not. And Jason says it is a mostly true alien story. Now it's my turn to weigh in. I think that Grusch sincerely believes what he is saying. I do not think because you got to think about what purpose does it serve for him? to come out with these claims. looked like to me, well, yes, besides financially, but that comes with the territory. If you're going to come out as a whistleblower, you have a right to make money. I have no problem with that. I don't think there's anything nefarious behind what he is doing. I do think sometimes claims are exaggerated. And Jason, you brought up a good point. He did backtrack a little bit on the video. I think he was going down a path. He's not allowed to go down. It doesn't mean he was lying to us about that. And I know we're not weighing in on each of his claims. Android (1:08:03) You want eight thousand dollars? Jason (1:08:05) Yeah. Neo (1:08:31) But collectively, this is what we're deciding on. Is the government withholding this information? I think that this is a mostly true alien story. I think the day that Grusch may crack and go, here's the evidence, I had it all along. I'm gonna show it to you guys now. Somebody's gonna do that. I think it's gonna come out that way. But I think this... is a mostly true aliens story. know, David Grusch has moved the story forward for us. One in one important way. He is no longer only saying that people told him bodies exist. He says he watched the footage. Now the question is whether the American public will ever be allowed to watch it too. So Jason, I want to thank you for coming back and helping us sort through this. This is awesome. You got one takeaway from the from the episode today that you want to share with us. Jason (1:09:20) Thanks for having me. ⁓ just ⁓ waiting for the call to have me back the next time. Neo (1:09:30) you're coming back and that's for sure. ⁓ Tell us where we can find hallucination hippies. Android (1:09:33) For sure. Jason (1:09:38) Well, ⁓ TikTok, of course. but yeah, YouTube I do a bit longer format and and I'm continuing to expand that channel and get into deeper and deeper dives. ⁓ I have been a bit restrained in doing that lately, this past six to eight months, ⁓ just because of so much nonsense. It's hard to, you know. yeah. Neo (1:10:02) In the industry, in the industry or the it's keeping you busy and other things or yeah. Yeah. Jason (1:10:06) No, no. I mean life keeps you busy, of course. But ⁓ but no, there's just you know, ⁓ it's what it's it seems to just continuously change. And ⁓ and that's okay. Opinions can change, you know, you people can change their thoughts on things as new data comes in later down the line and all that. So that's all fine. ⁓ but there's just a lot of drama in the space, there's a lot of clear nonsense, there's you know, a lot of frustration. So ⁓ So anyway, with that being said, I am continuing to to develop that YouTube channel. But yeah, Instagram, you know, ⁓ I I've finally started putting stuff on Facebook too. So I don't know, I'm out there somewhere in the ether. Neo (1:10:45) Well, listen, keep doing what you're doing because it's important. And you're an inspiration for us at Mostly True Alien Stories because I love the content you put out. I love how grounded you always stay. ⁓ you know, work through the frustrations of what we hear on a daily basis. It's a lot of work for our listeners. It is a lot of work to constantly stay caught up and put this content out for you. Jason (1:10:50) Thank you. Android (1:10:50) Yeah. Neo (1:11:08) So if you can support us, ⁓ check, you know, go to the Patreons, check out Hallucination Hippies and just, you know, keep supporting us as we go along here. All right. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and follow us on Instagram and TikTok and Facebook at Mostly True Alien Stories. Check out Hallucination Hippies and tell us your verdict in the comments. Andrew's the only one who said no. He does not believe this is a Mostly True Alien Story. Android (1:11:33) Well, I I was basing it off of I didn't go back to the past. See, Jason went back and he's like, Well, with everything that's been said and all of that stuff, though it it's if that's what we were talking about, then that's a different answer. But we're talking about exactly I'm got it's Groosh, actually, it's Groosh. Get it right, Jason. Come on, man. Seriously, you wanna come back? Come on. Neo (1:11:40) ⁓ It's too late, Andrew. It's too late. Too late. No, ⁓ you always get you. Yeah, ⁓ All right. Is is David? Is David Grusch revealing the hidden story of our world or are we still watching a story built almost entirely from claims we will never be able to verify? Jason (1:11:41) No. Mm. he's backtracking like Grusch, see? Neo (1:12:10) We don't know. We're going to find out soon. New episodes drop every Wednesday. Check out all of our other episodes until next time. Be kind to the aliens when they get here. Jason, thank you so much. Andrew Lemon. Awesome job. Awesome. Love this story. chat for a sec, David. I know you gotta go. I mean, Jason, I know you gotta go. It's ⁓ it's 10 44 because I keep thinking he's David Grusch all the time. I know. Yeah. Jason (1:12:22) Thank you guys. Emma G (1:12:23) Mm-hmm. Android (1:12:24) Thanks guys. He's not. He's David Groosh. That's David Groosh. We couldn't get Grusch. We had to settle for Groosh. Jason (1:12:34) That's right. Neo (1:12:39) David Gerrish. ⁓ What's the, did you see ⁓ that new story about the ⁓ pilots that saw that, the private pilots that just saw the at 44,000 feet, the UFO that just went by them. Did you see that story? Just, it was just today. It just popped up on my scan. Here, I'll tell you about it. I'm going to tell you about it. Jason (1:12:39) Ha ha ha. Mm. When did that come out? ⁓ no. Mm-mm. I haven't. Android (1:12:59) The triangular one? Emma G

(1:13:07) Mm. Neo (1:13:07) Real quick, real quick. then I know you got to go. the, ⁓ where it is, where it is, here it is. Let me just get to it. ⁓ yes. I, no, no one, no one, sorry. Stand by everybody. I didn't have it pulled up. ⁓ all right, here we go. Two pilots encountered an untracked metallic cylinder at 41,000 feet. ⁓ Jason (1:13:09) Yeah. No no no. Neo (1:13:36) On October 26th, ⁓ yeah, just three days ago, the national UFO reporting center published its completed investigation of an August 16th aviation encounter near Republic Tiffin, Ohio. Everything happens in Ohio. they, yep. Investigators obtained the cruise ATC communication. ⁓ two private jet pilots reported seeing a reflective vertically oriented cylinder or pill while cruising at 41,000 feet. Android (1:13:50) Ohio. Jason (1:13:50) Mm. Right, Pat. Neo (1:14:03) They estimated the object slightly above them at approximately 43,000 feet, possibly 30 feet tall. And the captain initially estimated the closest distance at five nautical miles, later revising it to approximately two to three miles. The object remained visible for roughly two minutes and appeared to travel on an opposing or parallel track. ⁓ Nothing corresponding appeared on the TCAS, ADS-B or FAA radar. The controller confirmed no known traffic in the area and New Fork found no matching planned balloon launch or FAA launch notification. ⁓ All of this, the ATC recording corroborates that the crew reported something contemporaneously and the flight and radar records establish the circumstances. They do not independently confirm the object's shape, size or altitude. ⁓ And only the pilots are the ones who have reported it. They're saying that the why it matters is because whatever it was, the crew believed and untracked object occupied controlled airspace at private jet altitude while they approach severe weather. And that makes it an aviation safety story, even if the eventual explanation is a balloon. Android (1:15:18) See, you said severe weather, if it's a weather balloon, bruh? Jason (1:15:20) Mm. Mm. Hmm. Neo (1:15:23) But I mean, it becomes a thing, you know, becomes an issue that, ⁓ you know, there is if it is technology that we have and they're sending it up there. ⁓ It is a safety risk. And, know, I don't know. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Jason (1:15:27) Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I it's it it's it's an intri well at least they released some of the, you know, corresponding data around it because that helps, you know, that helps you kind of check boxes and and ⁓ and I think that's the most difficult thing with a lot of these things. It's like, ⁓ could it be something compl a balloon, you know? Could it be? Android (1:15:35) Yes. Yeah. Jason (1:15:58) Could it be just some civilian, you know, launching some random thing up? I mean, who knows? Neo (1:15:58) right can balloons go to 44,000 feet they can yeah yeah yeah right Jason (1:16:06) Certainly, I mean yeah, not like a civilian balloon, but ⁓ but ⁓ yeah, but it's interesting that it it they're saying that nothing came up on radars. So that's interesting. ⁓ because so much of this stuff, especially like Ohio, I mean, you're near right, Pat, you're near these areas where it could be other things, you know. It doesn't right, it doesn't mean it's it's alien, you know, where a lot of people that's a and that's a caution that I try to Neo (1:16:23) technology of some sort, yeah that's right yes Jason (1:16:35) State and st in my videos time, you know, here and there is is just tr there's a lot of landmines, you know. People have to tread cautiously in this in this whole topic because it there are so many people and you can't change their mind ⁓ that will just go straight to it's it's alien, it's not ours, and that's that. And it's like, well, how what are you basing that on? You know, I mean, how are you how are you so conclusive on that? So it's Neo (1:16:56) Yeah, right. Yeah, my favorite comment on the content that I put out is, ⁓ where are the Epstein files? Every time you put something out, how many times have you gotten that comment? Android (1:17:00) Right, right. Jason (1:17:14) my God. my clearly as many as you. Yeah. I mean, it is it on almost every video you see it. I mean, it's and it's like, is ⁓ are those bots? Are those real people? I don't know, but but it is non yeah, that is nonstop. Neo (1:17:16) How many? Yes, yeah. ⁓ yeah, they gotta be. They gotta be. What did you think? What did you think of the movie Disclosure Day? Android (1:17:27) just yeah, I mean as as far as whistleblowers are concerned, we know that the Epstein whistleblowers they disappear. So just say it. That's Jason (1:17:34) Yeah, I mean that's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I enjoyed it. ⁓ I I I definitely yeah, and I there there were I watched I saw it, I watched it twice because you know, that second time g gives you that chance to really try to start to peel back and look for other layers and and there were a lot of layers in there that were that were all kind of in play. And it was interesting to to peel that back a little bit and see so I I I liked it. ⁓ Neo (1:17:45) Yeah, I did too. Yeah. Jason (1:18:11) But I think that a lot of people went into it with different expectations, and that's why they came out of there going, That's the worst movie I've ever seen. ⁓ I tried to keep Neo (1:18:11) With. Yes, of course. I thought it was I thought it was good and I thought it was very Spielberg. It was it was what I expected. ⁓ I love the I love the I love the you know what they thought Disclosure Day would be like that interpretation. ⁓ And I did think I did have another theory that you know with all my theories. Jason (1:18:22) Yeah, yeah. Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Neo (1:18:36) With all of the with all of the whistleblowers, it claims and all of these wild whistleblower claims that are coming out and all, you know, this this legion of superhero whistleblowers claims, et cetera. And then the movie comes out.

It came out quick. Not for nothing. He shot that. He came up with it. They went and shot it. You know how movies take time. It takes three years for this stuff to get together. That was he came up with it. And two months later, the script was written and a month later, they're in New Jersey shooting it. Jason (1:18:50) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Neo (1:19:06) And, you know, and then it's out within the year. My theory behind this is that maybe they are prepping us for disclosure. And that's why there's so much they know, they know because of their scenario rooms that the more we put out, the more we saturate the public, it's not going to be so daunting when we do come out with the true reveal of, you know, of what, what we do have in alien. Jason (1:19:10) That's crazy. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I I don't disagree. Yeah. And and in fact, Grusch, if I recall, kind of spoke on on that a little bit. And he his thought was was very, you know, he he seems to think that there's a potential for this Ghostbuster moment, I think he called it or something, you know, where it's just like this it all hits the fan and it's just, you know, collapse and chaos. And ⁓ and that's interesting, you know, and you've heard Neo (1:19:40) He did, Yes, that's what he Right. Emma G (1:19:49) Yeah, that is what he came. Jason (1:19:58) Other people say similar things of like, ⁓ you know, if people really knew the dark truth of all this or this, that, and the other, every this is gonna crumble, this is gonna crumble. so to your point, that kind of slow drip does have an effect, you know, as far as it people become jaded almost, you know, in a way. But they be there's a potential for a lot less people to become a lot less shocked, you know, the ontological aspect kind of lowers. So I Neo (1:20:18) Yeah. Yes, right. Yeah. Yeah. Jason (1:20:27) I don't disagree with that. I mean, that it sure seems that way. And especially with like the these government UFO file dumps, as lame as a lot of them are. ⁓ there's there's some good stuff sprinkled in there, interesting things I should say, here and there. But overall, it's like, come on, guys, like this that's clearly birds, you know. ⁓ it's it's but again, it's it's giving people this kind of, you know, almost pacifier effect of like, here you go, here you go, and who knows, you know. Neo (1:20:55) Yeah, I'm I am Yeah, I am going to be doing a video short on the best of the seven so it's be this Emma G (1:20:56) Mm-hmm. Jason (1:20:56) There very well could be a disclosure day coming and it's all Neo (1:21:05) the seven best pulled from the seven tranches. So that will just pull out the best video that we think that are alien that that and then I'm gonna tell you what I think it is. I think I think it'll be fun. Hey, let me ask you a side note and this one obviously is just for my the business of what we do. How's how does your patreon is your patreon work for you on YouTube? Is it anybody? you did? Yeah, I have one. I didn't launch it. Emma G (1:21:08) Mm-hmm. Jason (1:21:09) All right. Cool. Mm-hmm. I think that's a good idea. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Emma G (1:21:12) Yeah, that's cool. Jason (1:21:27) You know it's funny. I just launched it yesterday. Yeah. yeah, it's I haven't announced it. I haven't done but I so I I I created a page like a year ago or something, but never did anything with it. ⁓ Neo (1:21:34) But I only, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It seems to me there's a lot more work involved when we have the patron because we got to, we got to give them that behind the scenes. These after conversations, things that are exclusive to the, you know, and you know how much time goes into making what we're doing to make that stuff. Jason (1:21:50) Yeah. Yeah. man. Yeah. And there's no I yeah, no, I know. And and I don't know, you know, I won't get personal, but I don't know about you guys, but I I'm not rolling in Benjamin's here for making these videos. It's like you do this because you want to do it, you know. And so ⁓ it's all a nice bonus, of course, you know. Sure, I'll take it. And that's kind of been my thing, you know, with this Patreon is I I I have hesitated because of Emma G (1:21:57) Mm. Neo (1:22:05) No. yeah. Yeah, that's one more thing. Emma G (1:22:05) Mm, mhm, mhm. ⁓ Jason (1:22:22) Like you just said, there is that extra element of work. And I'm like, I don't, you know, what am I gonna offer here that's appealing, that's gonna take, you know, X amount of time. Can I even do that? Cause I don't wanna promise something and not deliver. That sucks, you know? ⁓ Emma G (1:22:35) Mm-hmm. Neo (1:22:35) Yeah, I saw your wording on your YouTube. You said when when time permits, you said when time permits on the Patreon and I was like, that's the way to word it. I think that's the way to do it. But this is why also now we've I've instituted the we do a pre talk and we do an extra talk at the end. And I think that for starters, like this conversation, these kinds of things, this is this is what you're going to get as the exclusive behind the scenes kind of stuff, you know. Jason (1:22:41) I mean it's like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Neo (1:23:02) I might do when time permits, you know, tours of my studio, but this is it. Take a look, you know, and, ⁓ you know, those kinds of things. And, and maybe, ⁓ lemon mentioned, Hey, we should go out. There's a lot of UFO sites and a lot of things that have happened right here in New Jersey and lemons right across the bridge for me. So we're going to start doing little things like that. And, ⁓ you know, but, but it is a challenge. Now you must, you must do all right. And you don't have to answer me, but Jason (1:23:06) Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Emma G (1:23:07) Hey. Jason (1:23:17) Mm-hmm. Neo (1:23:30) You must do well on Facebook. You must be making some money through that and Instagram doesn't really pay anything, but through that, right? Jason (1:23:39) So Facebook, I just finally again I st I had

I had secured my channel on there ⁓ a year or two ago or something. but I never did anything with it. because I kinda this this whole thing I for me was never part of a plan. It just kind of I just started doing it and then I started ⁓ I've been into the topic for years and years. I mean, I ⁓ but I never, you know, I never ⁓ made videos about anything or or whatever. So Neo (1:23:47) Yeah. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Jason (1:24:08) It it it started out just kind of just as a f fun little thing to do, and then I kind of kept making more. I was like, all right, I actually enjoy talking about this, I like it. Yeah. No, not at first, and then you know, you you can do that in Facebook and then ⁓ sorry, ⁓ in Facebook. ⁓ and then of course when you ⁓ when you're able to do that same thing on TikTok and TikTok for a while there was great. I mean that you know it was like the Neo (1:24:16) Yeah, but you blew up right away you you didn't you didn't think hey, this is great. I can monetize this a little bit Yeah Yeah They're killing me now they're the kill yeah, I don't Jason (1:24:37) it's it's I don't even check mine anymore. I mean I it's not even it's it's not even a cup of coffee a month at this point. It's ridiculous. Neo (1:24:40) ⁓ I'm yeah, I'm glad. Yeah. I'm glad we had this conversation because I'm like, are they not pushing this content? How is that possible? All of sudden you make some money for something and then all of a sudden it, and then nothing. And now it's, I'm just like, this is frustrating. Yeah. I'll give you a call. Jason (1:24:51) I right. Yeah. No, it's it's it's extremely frustrating. We can get into you know w I'm happy to shoot shoot this around with you at any time, but ⁓ but yeah, it's it's it's interesting because there there was a clear change and I know that they were trying to push prom I get all these like this is if you pay this, you'll get this amount of use, you know, the promotional things. I'm like, guys, like come on. Emma G (1:25:18) Mm. Ugh. Neo (1:25:20) Yeah, but you don't get paid you don't get paid for paying for promotional views. Do you know that? So they take your money, you can get 10 20,000 views, you'll get no money for that, because you paid for it. Jason (1:25:25) See, it's that's ridiculous. No, I didn't man. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, you know. Emma G (1:25:32) Yeah, that yeah, it's crazy. Neo (1:25:34) Hey, so what do you what do you do? You know what? I want to call you about it because I often thought of all of all of our creators in the same space. What are people doing? Like, Carl? What's his name? Carl? Russia? UFOs of the world? Who's what's his name? The British guy? Matt, you're gonna weren't you gonna do something with him? Jason (1:25:44) Mm-hmm. Crusher, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Matt. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We talked about it. We haven't ⁓ pulled the trigger on it yet. But ⁓ but yeah, yeah, we're we're still we we connect once in a while online and and we're still gonna do something. You know, it's more just kind of like a you know, a yeah, like once every couple weeks or something we'll do kind of a, you know, a live thing with people and you know. ⁓ but ⁓ but yeah, it's it's Neo (1:26:09) Okay. One officer. Sure. That's our next thing I want to do. Jason (1:26:27) You know, I don't go live often at all, actually never really on my own. ⁓ I know that yeah, I mean, I I know that people do enjoy that. It's nice for the community and and all that. So, ⁓ but it's just balancing time and figuring out what you can really give, you know, an an offer. And that's part of why I hesitated on a promoting a Patreon or anything like that, because ⁓ that puts a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth, you know, which is unfortunate. Yeah, which is unfortunate because it's like, look. Neo (1:26:52) it does, ⁓ you're trying to make money off of this it is, yeah I know my god, yeah Emma G (1:26:52) Mm-hmm. Jason (1:26:56) If you only knew how much time this really does take and and how little we you know, everyone assumes, you guys are probably killing it. No. I mean, you know, it Emma G (1:27:00) Mm, mm. Android (1:27:00) Well. Neo (1:27:05) Well, you know what? It's true, right? I think that is the perception. think the perception is that because this is is enlightening conversation for me because you have such a huge following and yet not translated. And I think we should, ⁓ we'll all text you and then we should, we should, we should get a little group together that can talk once a month because Emma G (1:27:10) Mm-hmm. Jason (1:27:16) Yeah. It doesn't it doesn't translate anymore. Yeah. In the same way. Neo (1:27:28) You may have ideas that will help me I may have ideas that are going to help you, etc, etc. You know, with this, this course of action that we're, you know, this road we've chosen. What do you do in your normal life? What is it? Do you? What do you? You are okay. Yeah. Jason (1:27:31) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Emma G (1:27:32) Mm-hmm. Jason (1:27:42) I've got my hands in different things, entrepreneur kind of stuff. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, yeah. ⁓ so my schedule is flexible enough that allows me to kind of, you know, make videos when time permits. or interest permit. And that's the other thing too, is I ramped I I mean, I was I was cranking pretty regularly before and now I've kind of backed off because I don't I don't ⁓ just it there's no, you know, and and I don't wanna just make something just to make it and there's nothing there. Neo (1:28:05) You're not seeing the value. Right. Yeah. Emma G (1:28:12) Mm-hmm. Jason (1:28:12) I kind of it it kind of just and I'm funny like that though. I get in my own head because I, you know, ⁓ you know, I I I've got people who are like, why don't you ha have a Patreon? People love to support people. And I'm like, 'cause I don't want to come across as a grifter and not offer value. Like, what do I have to offer that's valuable? And they're like, Well, no, but you know, it's like it's Neo (1:28:26) Yeah. And, and

yeah, well, that, well, see, this is, this is, this is the thing. And the person that told you to start the Patreon probably wouldn't pay for the Patreon is what I always run into, you know? And, so, ⁓ but, but, but here's the thing, Jason, and this is my word of advice, because I think I'm, I'm much older than you and I'm to give you some wise, ⁓ wisdom here. ⁓ you do have value. What you're doing is valuable. And, and because we, Emma G (1:28:36) Yeah. Yeah. A thousand percent. Jason (1:28:37) Probably no, no, probably not. Yeah. Neo (1:28:56) We don't come from this woo woo space. We come from a normal space. And if people are starting to look for their news, they're starting to look for their news on in their phones and Tik Toks and their Instagrams and their Facebook pages and their YouTubes. And that's, that's why Instagram's now changed. They're adding the horizontal videos at 90 minutes. So, you know, and that's another key to got to look into because your, Instagram page is growing. Ours is really growing. You put, you put your podcasts on there now and that's an exclusive channel. And so your shorts. Jason (1:29:05) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Neo (1:29:26) Now they click on them, they can click right from that the shorts that are pulled from your podcast, they can go right to your right into your podcast. So you understand that so so you can go into that. So this becomes a big thing. And they're just launching that now. But you but let me get back to my point is what you do is valuable. I rely on it. I go to your channel, I look at that stuff. And so don't don't sell yourself short. Seriously. Jason (1:29:33) Interesting. Yeah. Hmm. ⁓ thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, I know it's Neo (1:29:53) It is of value and you deserve that money. Yes, it's always hard to sell ourselves and, you know, give me money for what I'm telling you, right? Did you give me that money? ⁓ Because... Yes. Right. Jason (1:30:02) Yeah. And I don't have a problem if there's value there. If someone's offering something that is offering, and one person will find value, another person won't, and that's fine because that that one person might be the person who subscribes for a five dollar a month Patreon account or whatever, you know. ⁓ so I have no issue with people making money off things that they're doing, bringing value to other people. I mean, and it comes in different ways, you know. I have no issue with that. And then Neo (1:30:16) Yes, right, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They really do. Jason (1:30:31) But it's a tough space, as you know. I mean I you know, it's it's it's funny 'cause it's ⁓ people will come at you like crazy for the most random, you know, it's like 'cause like give me a break. Neo (1:30:40) They really do it they're they're nuts people are crazy out there for sure. I one time Someone someone wrote. you sound like a jew. I'm like what? Why do you say what what does that even mean? What does that mean? Jason (1:30:45) Yeah. Wha wow. Wow. Yeah. Android (1:30:55) Wow. Emma G (1:30:55) my god. Well, I was gonna say too, you know, sometimes people just want to find their people. So sometimes what I think is really cool about the Patreon is that the people that are gonna pay for that, I think more likely are the people that are going to be the ones who support you. And even if that is a a very small group, that's really cool to then find those and then eventually it grows. Jason (1:31:00) Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Neo (1:31:09) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's true. And I'm gonna put pictures of Andrew on it with his shirt off. So I'm gonna say I took this picture in the woods. I call it, think it's the shower. Yeah. All right, well listen. Jason (1:31:14) Yeah. Yeah, it Emma G (1:31:21) Ha ha ⁓ Android (1:31:24) In the shower Sasquatch. Neo (1:31:29) Jason I appreciate this time and I'll give you a shout. I'll give you a call and I'll send you also clips whatever you want and would you do would you do can you do a real quick promo? Can you do one like I'm with the gang at mostly true alien stories we're going to decide whether David Grush's claims are mostly true or not. Stay tuned. Yeah. Yeah. He's gonna do it right now. All right. Ready. Jason (1:31:30) ⁓ yeah. Yeah. sure. Emma G (1:31:52) Wait, is he saying that right now? Is he saying that right now? okay. All right. Neo (1:31:58) Alright, anytime. Just riff, whatever you got. Just do it. Go ahead. Jason (1:32:01) no, no, no, yeah. Hey everybody, this is Jason. I'm with everyone here at Mostly True Alien Stories, and we are about to go through some of the latest claims with David Grusch, especially speaking on Joe Rogan, and we're gonna decide if it's mostly true or not. Neo (1:32:17) Great. Give me one intro. Just give me one intro, Jason with Hallucination Hippies. No, you can just give me that. Give me a couple of those. Just the opening. Jason (1:32:22) Yeah, sure. You want all the rest too or just Sure. Hey, it's Jason with Hallucination Hippies, and I'm here with Mostly True Alien Stories. And we're about to talk about David Grusch and his latest claims. Are they mostly true or not? Neo (1:32:37) That's perfect. Andrew, now you do it. You say, hey, no, just say, no, hey, it's Andrew with Mostly True Alien Stories and we're with Jason from Hallucination Hippies. Emma G (1:32:41) Yeah, that was so good, Jason. Like what? Jason (1:32:43) Thanks. Android (1:32:44) Hey, that was Yep it's it's six it's I did it in the reptilian language. Would you like it in ⁓ Emma G (1:32:49) Wait, are you being for real? All right, all right. Neo (1:32:57) I love it. Emma G (1:32:57) Mm. Jason (1:32:57) Ha ha. Neo (1:33:00) All right, hold on. No, seriously do it as Andrew with mostly true alien stories. And we're here with Jason. We're going to talk about from hallucination. He's going to talk about David Grusch claims and whether they're mostly true or not. And, and Jason, you can give them a little shit if you want.

Android (1:33:02) Grace. Jason (1:33:14) Ha ha ha. Android (1:33:16) Thanks. You want my radio voice or ASMR? How do you want me to do it? That's what I I All right. Neo (1:33:19) You- No, I want your regular talking voice. Wait, first everybody smile. Look at the camera smile. Okay. Alright, go ahead. And action. Wait! Do it again. And don't sound so gay. Alright, ready and action. Android (1:33:30) Hey, this is Hey, this is Andrew with Mostly True Alien Stories, and we're excited to have Jason from Hallucination Hippies here. We're going to discuss David Grusch and all of his claims, and then we'll decide whether they are mostly true or not. Neo (1:33:52) tell them how we did. All right. Lemon is your turn. Lemon. Yes. Lemon. Just say it's made lemon ghost hunter with mostly true alien stories. We're here with Jason from hallucination hippies and we're going to decide whether David Grush's claims are mostly true or not. Jason (1:33:56) Well done, you're hired. Android (1:33:58) WAAH suck it, Neil! Jason (1:34:02) Ha ha. Emma G (1:34:02) No, I was gonna say please don't make me do it. gosh. Hold on, let me I I this takes me a few takes. I'm not a one-take wonder you guys. All right. All right. Hey guys, it's Lemon, the ghost hunter with mostly true alien stories, and we are here with Jason from Hallucination Hippies. Today we're gonna discuss David Grusch. That's it. Neo (1:34:22) ⁓ Jesus God Almighty. Jason (1:34:30) Here with JP. Today we're gonna discuss David Rudd. Neo (1:34:40) And then we're gonna decide whether it's mostly true or not. Yeah. Emma G (1:34:43) All right, hold on, you can edit it. And we're gonna decide whether it's mostly true or not. Please splice that together. Neo (1:34:49) Perfect. All right. That's good. I will. I'll do it. Hey guys, it's Neil with Mostly True Aliens Stories. We're here with Jason from Hallucination Hippies this week and we're going to be talking about David Grusch and all his greatest claims, his greatest hits, his greatest claims. We're to be talking about David Grusch and his greatest hits that he came out with on the Joe Rogan podcast. So we're going to decide whether it is mostly true or not. Jason. Jason (1:34:53) The Neo (1:35:15) What do you think before we even get into the episode? Are his claims mostly true or not? Jason (1:35:21) We will see. Emma G (1:35:22) Mm-hmm. Neo (1:35:22) Hoo hoo hoo! Android (1:35:25) Yeah. See Neil, that's why Jason wants me on the show because that was terrible. That was really bad. Neo (1:35:26) Alright. Emma G (1:35:26) Thank you. Neo (1:35:30) It was really bad. was really bad. ⁓ What do you got planned for Halloween, Jason? Then I'll let you go. Jason (1:35:36) ⁓ boy. I don't personally do so much anymore, but I've ⁓ I've got kids so they do, you know. Neo (1:35:45) that's nice. How old are they? Wow, twins. Jason (1:35:46) Mm-hmm. Eleven. We'll be taking them out. Emma G (1:35:46) Yeah. Jason (1:35:51) Yeah. Twin boys. Yeah. Yeah. So they're they're you know, they're excited, but but I ⁓ yeah, I don't I don't I don't trick or treat anymore. I gave it up last year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Emma G (1:35:52) Well Neo (1:35:53) That's awesome. Yeah. We have I have two kids too. You did last I was as your last year was good. All right. Awesome. All right, man. I really appreciate you. Yeah. You want to you want to see my costume. Can I show you my costume real quick. We show you mine. Hold on one second. Hold on. Android (1:35:54) That's cool. Jason (1:36:11) Yeah. Yeah, I mean that that did it. Yeah. that's See. Emma G (1:36:24) It is good, it is worth it. Yeah. Jason (1:36:30) nice. Neo (1:36:37) I'm abducted. you Jason (1:36:37) that's great. Wow. Well, hey, you're you're you are definitely good to go if it rains. ⁓ that's great. that's good. Are you guys gonna do a Halloween show? Emma G (1:36:46) Ha ha ha. Yeah. We did. Jason (1:36:56) Mm. cool. Awesome. Okay. Yeah, I wasn't I didn't spend any time online yesterday except ⁓ just I I re watched or listened to the the Grusch interview. So I'll I'll go on and see what you guys put up yesterday. Neo (1:36:59) You can borrow it. can borrow it. All right. Yeah. All right. Awesome. And let me stop. Make sure I got everybody. Emma G (1:37:00) Ecco. ⁓ Mm. Mm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.