Full Transcript for Mornings with Graeme Goodings - 9 December 2025

million dollar premium retirement village at Rose Park and a seventy million dollar day of the Garden's age care home. We'll find out more about that. I think it's fair to say we all look forward to Christmas and look forward to a perfect Christmas. But the idea of a perfect Christmas is a myth that sets us up for disappointment. Family tensions, old grudges, differing expectations. Well, they don't magically disappear on December twenty five, much and all as we'd like them to. So how do you survive and enjoy your Christmas Day. We will take a look at that and se with Amanda Gordon, a psychologist, about that and your calls. Eight double two three, double O double oh is the number to ring from the text line. Steve says it's no coincidence federal government and all labor states in massive debt. Apart from WA Labor supporters claim they are better with the economy. You must be joking. I don't know how anyone would go with the economy at the moment. Of course, we know why Western Australia do so well because of all that uranium that they ship offshore. They are doing it nicely. The rest of Ustrada struggling. Sorry, Gigi, don't know who else to complain to. I'm feeling really sick in the sun, waiting for the doctor. Skin cancer looks like signal health on Montacute Road. Don't care. Sorry about that on not really enough information, So if you'd like to text us or give us a call, we'll see what we can do to help you. Eight double two three, double o double oh is my number. Love to hear film well from you on any of the stories of the day. Back shortly five Double A. 00:06:58 Speaker 2: Mornings with Graham. 00:06:59 Speaker 1: Goodie, seventeen minutes past nine five double A on a Tuesday morning. I hope we find you well. We'll all soon be paying more for power. Well, is that anything new? Another quarter goes by than we are paying more for power. But Treasurer Jim Chalmers has confirmed Labor will not extend its energy rebate relief package into twenty twenty six. It was well, what seventy five dollars a quarter, which was a nice amount of your power bill which was skyrocketing into the future. But now that is going to come to an end. Joining us now is the deputy leader of the Federal Liberal Party, Ted O'Brien. Tedo'brian, good morning to. 00:07:36 Speaker 3: You, Good morning to you, Graham. 00:07:38 Speaker 1: Are you surprised that the government has decided that the bill relief is ending? 00:07:46 Speaker 3: Grahamer, I'm not surprised. I mean, ultimately, the Albaneze government's run out of money is the truth of it. They keep taxing people more. Debt's going to hit one trillion dollars shortly, and so I think just continuing to fork out money for everything they can just has become impossible. I think it's caught up with them. 00:08:07 Speaker 1: Now, what impact is that going to have on the striking Australian. 00:08:12 Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately that does mean Australians are going to be doing it a lot tougher, especially heading into Christmas. Now it's a time when people are very sensitive about their family budgets and for good reason. And now that the subsidies come off every day, Australians are really going to cop the full brunt of a failed energy policy. And that's really where the government has to focus its attention. 00:08:37 Speaker 2: Now. 00:08:39 Speaker 3: About six point eight billion dollars of taxpayer money has been used to paper over this failed energy policy of labors and that won't be used the rebates correct, So now that won't be available. The government just has to start doing what it should have done almost four years ago, and that is fixed the energy system itself. You can't continue to give rebates forever and leave the source of the problem unattended. So now's the time for the government to start tackling the real problem here, which is a broken energy market. 00:09:17 Speaker 1: Well, the government to always say that the reason the power prices are going up is not renewables, but the fact that the qualified power stations are breaking down. 00:09:26 Speaker 3: Well, the government unfortunately, has never told the truth when it comes to energy. This is the same government which promised Australians are two hundred and seventy five dollars reduction and household power bills, and Australians are now paying up to one three hundred dollars more. You know, when they have an energy plan for well over ninety percent of energy to be produced from large renewables, it just means prices will keep going up because those renewable projects get dispersed around the country. You have to build the most enormous transmission lines to connect them all up. And anyone at home you get your electricity bill, if you have a look at it, you'll see that it's almost fifty percent of that bill is the network charge, in other words, the transmission lines. And so the more of that one source of technology they try to build out, the more your network charges go up. And so this is why no other country in the world is doing what Labor is trying to do, because no country wants to see its people thrown into poverty because of energy prices. 00:10:33 Speaker 1: Well, you're not in power, you hope to be at the next election, It's probably unlikely. But if you were in power, what would you do to make sure power bills didn't continue climbing. 00:10:44 Speaker 3: Well. Unlike Labor, the Coalition believes in technology over taxes, and on technology, we believe in being agnostic. We need to use every possible technology there is. The coal plants should not be closed prematurely. We should pour more gas into the market. We should be lifting the moratorium to allow for nuclear energy to be considered. And as we continue to roll out renewables, they have to be done in a sensible way rather than just a renewables only approach. We also have to get away from Labour's got its mindset on government mandates for everything in energy, and that means that affordability comes last. The

Coalition we don't believe in that. We believe in voluntary markets, not mandates. We believe in choice, not picking winners. So we've got a completely different approach. And the thing that gives me confidence great is we've done this before. In the last term of the Coalition government. We got prices down by ten percent. We're still able to get emissions down by the way, but there's nothing more important than affordability. We've done it before with this same approach. We can do it again. But you're right, we've got to win election first. 00:12:07 Speaker 1: Do you see any future for coal fired power stations? 00:12:10 Speaker 3: I certainly see a future for us maintaining what we have. And this is the problem. Labor is planning to close our coal plants prematurely. Now, a lot of those coal plants in the country actually working well. But if the owners are told you need to leave town and shut down, well, of course they won't be investing in maintenance. But what we have these huge, big assets right now in these coal plants. They've served the country. Well, they shouldn't be closed prematurely. We should use those assets as much as we can and we need a system that allows that to happen. And that all comes back to the government. 00:12:53 Speaker 1: We know their quest for net zero, We know that that the hell bent on achieving that. The hypocrisy doesn't escape too many people when they know that Australia has got to reduce our emissions and yet we're still sending huge amounts of coal and gas offshore. What are your thoughts. 00:13:13 Speaker 3: I think that's right, which is why we should be using our own resources for Australia first, whether that's coal, whether that's gas, whether that's uranium for nuclear and yes, we have great sunshine and wind and that can be part of the mix too, But we've already made a decision as a nation to export a lot of these resources. So it is absolute hypocrisy to say we shouldn't use it ourselves, and given that decision leads to higher prices, it's also immoral because I mean, you've got senior citizens now around Christmas time really struggling just to turn on the air conditioner. You've got families who are weighing up can we afford those presents for the kids? Because everyday costs like electricity, which has gone up by forty percent, families are struggling. And so a lot of these things come back to their big policy decisions, but they have a human impact on the ground for everyday Australian's Graham. 00:14:17 Speaker 1: Is nuclear still part of the opposition equation? 00:14:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very much so. And we continue to learn the lessons from overseas that nuclear is an important part of the mix. It's not a silver bullet. It shouldn't be treated as such, especially when you see the big emerging technologies like artificial intelligence coming into play. You know, artificial intelligence is already here in Australia, it's only going to get bigger. But if you look around the world, whether

it be Meta, whether it be Google, Amazon, all of these huge players in the technology space, they are turning to nuclear to power their future. And the longer Australia denies that, the Labor Party denies that, unfortunately, the more we'll be vacating the field of a big digital economy into the future. 00:15:05 Speaker 1: If I could just get your thoughts on another issue, were Federal Minister Anika Wells is in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. What do you make of her use of taxpayer funding to fun Well, we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars for different events for a family, family reunions, traveling overseas, comm cars and the like. 00:15:25 Speaker 3: Oh look, I think the accumulation of all of these things really go to a lapse of judgment on the minister's part. What has surprised me more than anything Graham is the Prime Minister is so happy about it all, and so I think it also speaks to his judgment. I haven't heard any media outlet, I haven't heard anyone actually criticizing the minister for wanting to have family reunions and whatnot. That's all all fair and reasonable, but the question is the enormous price tag it's come at and some of the how it's been used, and it hasn't passed the pub test, and in my view, nor should it. 00:16:12 Speaker 1: Would you like to see the Traveler tightenmentster tightened up. 00:16:17 Speaker 3: I would like to see probably greater transparency and I think anyone who is a parliamentarian and myself included, has to be prepared to answer any question about any of those expenses. Unfortunately, what typically happens is you have an incident like now where a minister has been caught out with just such high expenses that suddenly it becomes an issue. I think every parliamentarian has a duty we're talking about tax payer money here, to ensure they are very happy to be open and transparent and justify their expenses and democracy does the rest. I think, gret. 00:16:55 Speaker 1: Tedder Roan, I'd like to know your thoughts on Just in the last twenty four hours we have had a change of leadership in the Southern Stone Liberal Party. Ashton Herm has taken over. Recently, Kelly Sloan took over the New South Wales Liberal Party Victoria has a new female leader. Of course, Susan Lee is head of the Liberal Party nationally. Is that a design moved by the Liberal Party or is it just the way things have evolved. 00:17:23 Speaker 3: Look, it's certainly not something that's been sort of orchestrated from high if you like. But I do think the likes of Ashton, Kelly Jess are going to do wonderful jobs in their respective jurisdictions. Each of their party rooms have made their own decisions, and I think their predecessors all did wonderful jobs behind you, and they served well. But I think there is really now fresh leadership in each of those states, and now's the time for the Liberal Party to shine. And so you know, we have big hopes for twenty twenty six. 00:18:03 Speaker 1: Ted Obrian, thanks for your time today and I have a. 00:18:05 Speaker 3: Great Christmas and to you, thank you very much, all the best. 00:18:08 Speaker 1: Deputy Leader of the Federal Liberal Party, Ted O'Brien your thoughts. Eight double two three double O double is the number to ring back after news headlines five double A. 00:18:17 Speaker 2: Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:18:22 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, twenty eight minutes to ten. Hopell you find you well well. The power Price Spiral shows little sign of slowing down, largely due to the price of gas. Along the East Coast of Australia, gas has more than doubled over the past decade, leading to industrial closures, higher electricity costs, and inflationary pressures. The Australian Gas Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis has conducted a review. Lead analyst Josh Runchman joins us. Now, Josh, good morning to you, thanks for your time today. 00:18:51 Speaker 4: Good morning. 00:18:52 Speaker 1: Can you tell us, sir, your key findings. 00:18:55 Speaker 4: Yes, so, look, I mean we've done quite a lot of work looking at the East coastcat market in particular, but also the market in Western Australia, and really what we find is that the decision by Santos to build a larger export facility than they had gas or has really had a very serious impact on the market over over the past ten years. You mentioned that prices have gone up. That is absolutely true. This has also then fed into things like your electricity bills, particularly Insouth Australia, because gas is the only backup to renew wolves in the evening peak. When gas is the martial sources supply, it sets the price and so miss this in South Australian electricity markets that electricity prices go up at night. This has been fed into inflation. And also gas is a key put into the production of food in a range of ways, fad lives but also unsterilized in food and stuff like that. And so that all then feeds into inflation. That pushes up interest greats as well and the crash you pay for your mortgage. So gas processes have had a really def sustained the impact across the entire economy in East Australia, and it really traces us back to the decision that Santos made to build a facility that was too large, they didn't have enough reserves, and effectively, since twenty seventeen Santos supported enough gas out of the domestic market for me two years worth. So we are talking very large volumes here. 00:20:35 Speaker 1: So isn't it the case that most of the gas produced on Australia goes offshore it is not retained for Australian US. 00:20:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, so at a national level Australia it's pretty much eighty three percent of the gas that we produce is either exported or it's used used at the lergy export facilities as a source of power and to run comp and things like that. The share is a bit lower on the East coast, it's about seventy five percent, but it is really a very large volution. There is no reason why we can't export a lot of gas and

still have a workable domestic glass market, satans and prices that are favorable. We just need to balance the levels. 00:21:25 Speaker 2: That we export. 00:21:26 Speaker 1: So what means to change to make that possible? 00:21:29 Speaker 4: So look, governments on both sides of the aisle have tried to try to implement new policy measures that don't really shift the market a lot, but try to incentivize the three LG export projects in Queensland to supply more gas domestically. Full disclosure. I worked on some of this policy a few years ago when I was in government, and I can say the policy hasn't worked. 00:21:56 Speaker 5: So what we need to do is. 00:21:57 Speaker 4: Start from scratch. So the government is undertaken a gas market review at the moment. They're expected to sooner out the policy. Reportedly they're considering to options. One is an option that applies only to energy exporters. The second is one that applies across the entire market. Now, the second is likely to be favored by Santos because it would allow them to purchase gas from other domestic project potentially problematic because Santos might by gas that would have been supplied anyway. It won't necessarily increase how much gas there is, and of course it has an impact on everyone else. The first option, in my view, is definitely a better option. If you take those three companies that export and then you require each of them to supply gas into the domestic market, that will clearly increase domestic supply. That will be an increase, is definitely additive. It's also much more simple to implement that kind of approach. It could be done a lot faster, and those three companies already control ninety percent of the reverse so there's a huge amount of market concentration. The gas market is not highly competitive, and so that's that's the kind of approach I. 00:23:15 Speaker 6: Think that we need. 00:23:16 Speaker 1: Is that likely to reduce prices? 00:23:18 Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, yep. 00:23:20 Speaker 4: So look, I mean in short, we need a fundamental reset that really targets the lerg exporters. It's worth noting tools the lergy exports actually support this kind of approach. So origins projects and shells project can clearly see that their social license has been impacted. They see the impact of high gas prices, They see that Santos's project has been a key driver of theirs, and so we have seen this split. Atl G commissioned a consultant, the Energy Edge, to undertake the modeling of the price impact and what they found is that an additional thirty peda dules of gas and this is probably a seven or eight percent increase in domestic as supply, so it's not huge, but thirty pedadals of gas would twitch on gas prices. Buy that two dollars bigigedule. So this is from current process that are around the twelve dollar month down to around ten dollars. So that is the material shift. Material in terms of household energy to builds and electricity classes, but actually much more material

for the industry we have in Australia that can't really afford higher gas plusses. 00:24:31 Speaker 1: So where does the next move come from? Is the government got a step in here and take the bull by the horns and say right, this is what you're doing. 00:24:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think, I mean, look, government faces a choice here and on the one hand, I think they're concerned about the impact on Santos and the impact on investment incentives and making sure that we create an environment where flowing companies want to invest. Santos has some partners in its exports fability of those partners all international companies. But I think government really needs to think very carefully about the options. What we have now is a fairly complicated system of policy measures that just have not worked. Rather than going down the paths of another complicated policy mechanism that also might not work, I think government just needs to grab the bull by the horns, so to speak, and just implement something that will actually work. Will it impact on Santos, Yes, it will will impact on their share price probably, analysts suggested it's a fairly low impact. But ultimately what we've seen is the Santos and the joint venture partners made a commercial decision. They got it wrong, and rather than wearing the cost, those costs have been socialized across everyone who either uses gas, users electricity, eats food, or have the mortgage, and I think that's really unsustainable. 00:25:59 Speaker 1: What concerns other than the high prices a lot of the stadents is the news that a lot of our gas is brought by Japan and they're on selling it at a great profit margin. Is that correct? 00:26:10 Speaker 4: So look, that is correct. We did an analysis zoosing ship tracking data, so this is highly reliable data that the ship has gone from here to here, and you can see who has actually charted the ship. So we know that japan On sells quite a bit. Is it is hard to really narrow in on the profit, but it is pretty clear that there are profits being made. Is this is not the new feature of evalanty markets and commology markets in general. The fact that japan On cells wouldn't really be an issue except for the fact that Australia is facing gas shortages on the East Coast and in West Australia, and actually that the Japanese government. 00:26:57 Speaker 7: Is quite. 00:26:59 Speaker 4: Active in trying to advocate our domestic and as in policy and trying to influence our domestic energy policy. So I think that what a means for government is we need to be really careful. So when we hear lines that Tokyo needs WHI Japan needs Australian gas to keep the lights on the in Tokyo, I think we really need to question that kind of narrative. Do they need some of our gas? 00:27:20 Speaker 8: Yes? 00:27:21 Speaker 4: Absolutely, do they need as much as the take clearly not their unseelling very large volumes. 00:27:27 Speaker 6: Last year. 00:27:28 Speaker 4: Actually Australia was the largest force for l EG that Japanese companies sold in other into other countries. So I think I think that is concerning more so in the in the context of our policy deliberations here in Australia and then to influences Japanese company, Japanese companies and the Japanese government have on those those discussions. 00:27:52 Speaker 1: Josha, thanks so much for your time today. That's Josh run Singman, i e FA's lead analyst on the gas market, a review of our gas reserves and the fact that we sell off so much of it to Japan they on sell it and a profit. Meanwhile we're scratching around trying to get more reserves here. Good morning, GG. If Anika Wells had to pay for her travel expenses out of her own pocket, would the bills still be the same? I think not, Thank you, GG. Anika Wells appears to have difficulties with transparency. One question about the OPT's Sir triple zero failure. She told the Nation she was new to the job and clearly had no idea of the details. When questioned about her use of parliamentary travel expenses. She's fully up to speed on what her entitlements are, clearly her priorities. A self serving, extremely poor communication from a communications minister. Thank you, nick Gg. Could you ask your guest about Japan on selling our gas for massive profits? Yes, we did ask our guests about that, and yes it does happen. Eight double two to three double o double oh is my number. Another text that says Labour's done nothing but destroy all straight and way of life. Climate's Brett says, I support the social media band, but I hope people are actively supporting their kids. Today their last day. So many kids only know this intertwined world and are about to go through the greatest shock of their lives with grief, anger and learnliness. Everyone out there, reach out to your kids and help them on this new journey that for some will take months to adjust to. That is a very good point, Brett, and it was brought home to me yesterday when we talked to somebody from a regional area who had three daughters and the fact that they come to the city for their education and the girls go back home for their holidays and they lose contact with their friends. Now people have said, oh, yes, well there's the phone, and there's text and so forth, but they use social media. It's part of their lives. And then again people say, oh, well we got through our lives and we never had it. Well know, we didn't. And a lot of us went through our lives without television too, or color television. You know, times have changed and people's needs change and people's expectations change. So I think we need to be very aware of our children. They will do it tough. I mean, anyone that's given up smoking or drinking knows that it can be very, very difficult. And social media is a drug, after all. Once you're hooked, it's hard to give up. So be very wary of your children or your grandchildren. Give them some extra time, talk them through it. What difficult is you are having without

social media that you've come to rely on. It's part of your life, and now if you're under sixteen you will have legally no access to it. Your thoughts eight double two three double oh doublow back soon five double. 00:30:38 Speaker 2: A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:30:41 Speaker 1: Had some calls in a minute, Give us a call now, eight double two to three double oh double oh on the stock market, all Olds has started the day in the red, down by twenty one points. The ASX two hundred also done by twenty six points that Darl Jones closed down at the end of trading day by two hundred and fifteen points. The Nasdaq also followed down by thirty two point. It's oil going for fifty eight dollars US a barrel and the Aussie dollar is buying sixty six US cents GG regiving a whale straight and gas for nothing. How do you account the claims that we can't dis on existing contracts or we lose credibility. This is the argument some of my friends hold, Well, Steve, we don't have to cancel the contracts, but we can impose taxes. We can say, well, from now on, this is the taxtual pay. It's an impost. Other countries have done it. We can do it too. Brenton, Good Morning. 00:31:29 Speaker 9: More in Graham House things good. 00:31:31 Speaker 10: Thanks. 00:31:32 Speaker 9: Graham. Just wanted to say, with respect of the gas situation, it's an absurdity that we are selling guests to Japan and China and they have so much of it that can on sell it and make a profit. The government's not addressing this and while that happens, we're paying a premium price for gas. 00:31:50 Speaker 1: It's insanely has. 00:31:51 Speaker 9: A situation where they've got a reservation policy for domestic consumption over there, but anywhere east of the Wa border, it's not entertaining a reservation policy for the rest of the country. 00:32:03 Speaker 1: Well, and they're also building terminals to import gas. Can you believe that. I know, we're one of the biggest gas producers in the world, and yet we're considering building terminals to import gas. 00:32:14 Speaker 9: We have an abundant tier, we're not using it. We're prepared to sell it to other countries, but not for Australians. 00:32:21 Speaker 1: Can you imagine people looking from another country saying, you know, Australia, you're so rich in all your resources, and yet you are struggling. You are really struggling. Good on your Brandon, thanks for your call. Lisa at Manaparak, Good morning, Lisa. How are you today? 00:32:36 Speaker 11: Good morning Graham. I'm well, Thank you. I was just calling in to comment on and it has spending of our money pay money, and I believe it's not it's not only irresponsible, but it's also insulting. At the moment, we have so many vulnerable people being denied disability equipment and having to juggle and navigate such a comp NDAs programs which is preventing so many people from getting the support they need. Or whilst she's spending money on expensive flights and attending extravagant functions.

And you know, it's about time that Australian started speaking up, not after the fact, start taking a bit more notice of who they're voting for and where their taxpast money is going, because we're fairly all just there's much better. 00:33:27 Speaker 1: Do you think, Lisa, that we're pretty complacent in this country and we you know, we vote once every three or four years, depending whether it's state or federal election, and once they're in r well they're doing an okay job. Do you think it's time that we're more proactive? 00:33:40 Speaker 10: Absolutely? 00:33:41 Speaker 11: And and what I've found in supporting and stealing quite a few politicians is that a lot of the communities don't really understand how to vote properly and what happens to their vote. And I guess we're seeing more and more independent and minor party stepping up because people are getting frustlated, which I guess I need not be met funding being cut, and now is the time that everybody start looking at don't complain today if you voted for the special labor government and this is their behavior because we elected some idements, but others be start looking at who we're voting for in US state elections coming up, Start looking at our local candidates and let's vote and get data for all of us. 00:34:21 Speaker 1: Great advice. Good on you, Lisa, thanks for that. Yeah, I think we all have to be more committed. It's pointless down the track after the election saying well, you know, I didn't know that we're going to get this. I didn't vote for this. Be proactive, speak up, speak your mind, Fay says. Course, politicians know that they'll be away from home for extended periods. They also know the entitlements that they get with it. Wells hasn't breached those entitlements approved by the PM's office. Yeah, this is the thing I mean. Anika Wells has said that, Yeah, well it doesn't really pass the pub test, but I am entitled to it. You know what, really, honest fair income person would use entitlements that they're entitled to that they know don't pass the pub test, that they know full well that the average Australian thinks this is unfair, but they've still gone and done it. I mean, doesn't that question you your morals in some way? Well, the rules say that I'm untitled to it. Well, yet the rules are obviously wrong. Speaking of spending our money, I want to ask you if you think this is the best way to spend tax payer money. The Australian Government, via the National Reconstruction Fund, is injecting forty five million dollars into the Arnets Group. They're the makers of the iconic timtams. It's to fuel global expansion. The loan aims to enhance advanced manufacturing for exports, building on the biscuits success in the UK, wherever five million packs have sold since April twenty twenty four. Now Arnot's was once a famous, iconic Australian company. It is no longer. It's owned by overseas interests. In fact, it's owned by kk R and Co, which is just a US based private equity firm.

So they have real no interest in US other than making money. And here we are, the Government of Australia injecting forty five million dollars into their business. Where will the profits go? All right, Yes, I know that Australians are employed by the ARNTS Group in Australia, but surely that forty five million dollars should go to Australian companies, Australian based companies, not to a company like this one, the ARNTS Group, which evidently is facing a bit of financial difficulty at the moment. So, you know, one can only assume will all of that forty five million dollars go into the iconic tim tam and exports worldwide or will that actually go into supporting them and their their financial distress at the moment. So what do you think Australia spending forty five million dollars into an international company to help support them? What do you think? 00:36:50 Speaker 2: Edward? 00:36:50 Speaker 12: Good morning, Good morning Graham. 00:36:52 Speaker 13: How are you? 00:36:53 Speaker 1: I'm very well, thanks, that's good. 00:36:55 Speaker 12: Look, I just try to mention something about you try about this, I think last week or so, about the supply of the exits at clutch on the market. Now, that's right, yeah, Well, according to the law of supply and demand, when the supply increases, the you know, you know, it should be cheapest. So I've looked around in super markets and I find that the price is still very high, so in this case the law of supply does not apply. But the other thing is that I find that this is really quite amazing, is that you know, a bottle of milk in I J and Putney Street costs about six dollars twenty and the Sandwiches sandwich costs about seven dollars twenty. I mean, this is getting ridiculous. That's why I think that eventually they'll get rid of cash, but only when it becomes worthless, and then there'll be no one wanting it because it'll be worthless. 00:37:47 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:37:48 Speaker 1: Well, I think it'll be around for a while, Edwin, because when technology breaks down, the F plus machine can't work, doesn't work, you need cash. And if you're if you're a port period somewhere in your car, you're trying to head home and you go to fill up your cars and get back to Adelaide, only to find out that oh sorry, a f poss machine is done and we don't take cash. Yeah, what can What are you going to do? Graham? I think that once rules guidelines have been reviewed by government re travel expenses, then I suggest that the form of all activities and associated costs be detailed and then signed off by two people within the finance department or other and the cost be authorized, leaving the responsibility on the authorizing personnel. This is what often happens in workplaces that required travel and other cost expenditures. Kind regards, Jenny, thank you for that, Jenny John Good morning. 00:38:35 Speaker 8: Yeah, good morning, Brian. How are you going good? 00:38:37 Speaker 1: Thanks? 00:38:38 Speaker 8: Good this issue, I'll

say that politely with Minister World. 00:38:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. 00:38:46 Speaker 8: I was in Covenant for either fourteen years and I did quite a bit of intra interstate traveling, et cetera. And I had to look after people, host them and all that sort of my daily meals breakfast on to see and what they call incidentally, it is around about eighteen eighty five dollars a day in total. Now they must have somewhat elevated caste studs or something like that, because I had to shop at the supermarket Chata just to get food and stuff like that, and I just don't know where they're getting back come there. They're like, the allowances are so much more elevated. 00:39:32 Speaker 1: Well, because it's not your money, well, I mean it is your money, it's not their money. It's the tax plan money. And that's that's the reason. 00:39:42 Speaker 8: Why don't they get an allowance like every other state and federal employee gets in terms of allocative amounts of breakfast, lunch and twos. They can plays with it whatever they want. I don't understand it. 00:39:56 Speaker 1: No, Look, I can't answer that, John, and thanks for posing that question. But yeah, why aren't they given a set allowance? At the moment it's a blank check? It would appear that it's a blank check. And if you're traveling overseas, those airfairs don't quite ring true to me. About one hundred thousand dollars for Annika Wells and two staff members to go to the United Nations. She didn't address the General Assembly, by the way. It was a sort of a sidebar, a sort of addressing people outside the main assembly, So it wasn't them the big deal. But yeah, one hundred thousand dollars for airfares. Now, you know I don't travel up the point the end of the plane. But what sort of fares is it from Australia to New York? You know, divide by three, that's an excess of thirty thousand dollars. Don't even think first class would charge you? That would they? Surely not. Maybe you can let me know eight double two three double o double oh hi gg. Do they teach Australian politics, government and voting, et cetera and schools these days or is it just an elective topic. I think it should be a compulsory subject, so the future generations actually know how their vote counts. Kristen good point. Do they teach politics at that level in schools? I think the more basic things that you need to know, the things that you actually use in school or in real life. Because I know in my school days when I left, seventy five percent of what I learned at school I never ever used again because I was never going to be a lawyer. I was never going to be a doctor. I was never going to be a mathematician. So a lot of stuff that I did was totally wasted. 00:41:28 Speaker 2: Five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:41:32 Speaker 13: A c. 00:41:32 Speaker 1: H is making a major development in Sarvasto. We'll find out about that in just a moment, but firstly, let's go out to unleas Stephen. 00:41:38 Speaker 2: Good morning,

Good morning, Grime. 00:41:41 Speaker 14: How are you. 00:41:42 Speaker 1: I'm good? 00:41:42 Speaker 2: Thanks, look grim I'm just. 00:41:45 Speaker 15: Listening to these air fairs that the federal minister's been claiming for trips to New York. 00:41:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred thousand dollars in nyon. 00:41:55 Speaker 15: Well, I've just booked a business class to New York. Yeah, the three of us, and it came out to thirty nine thousand. So I'd like to know where one hundred thousand dollars what's that actually used for? Is it just flights or is there something else she's claiming? 00:42:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I think there's a lot we need to know about that. So thirty nine that's a lot of money. Thirty nine thousand, But it's not one hundred thousand, is it? No, it's not good on youa thanks for letting us know that, Steven. 00:42:22 Speaker 14: So there you go. 00:42:23 Speaker 1: Three flights to New York would cost thirty nine thousand. The minister, Annika Wells put in a claim for one hundred thousand dollars for herself and two staffers to attend the United Nations in New York. So we will try to get the breakdown on that. But certainly three business class fairs. Maybe she traveled first class. 00:42:41 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:42:42 Speaker 1: There's a lot of unknowns, isn't there eight double two to three double double if you want to comment well. Leading not for profit age care provider AH is investing one hundred and ninety million dollars into two major developments in metropolitan Adelaide. To find out more about them. AH Group CEO Linda Feldt, Linda, good morning to you, Good morning Graham. This is a major investment. To tell us about it. 00:43:05 Speaker 16: So, AH Group are announcing this morning that we're investing one hundred and ninety million in two major new developments in Metropolitan Adelaide, redefining how South Australians are going to age into the future and where. What we are announcing is that we're delivering one hundred and twenty million dollar premium retirement living development at Rose Park and investing a feather seventy million in a new residential age care precinct at Dover Gardens. 00:43:34 Speaker 1: So tell us about the developments of a high rise, low level what can we look forward to? 00:43:39 Speaker 16: The Rose Park project will comprise of seventy two and three bedroom retirement living apartments across thirteen levels, and at Dover Gardens, we're creating a next generation age care precinct that's supporting one hundred and fifty people in residential care across ten small homes and that will be fifteen people in each house. 00:44:03 Speaker 1: It sounds it sounds very appealing. And when people reach a certain age in life where they're needing something like this, what sort of facilities will be on offer? 00:44:13 Speaker 16: So in the Rose Park development, we'll have a feature a range of smart technology. It's going to meet seven point five star energy rating and it will have

balconies with sweeping views across the parklands and the Adelaide Hills. Shared facilities within that development will include a restaurant, private dining room, cinema room, library and reeftop terrace and include a health and wellness hub with a consultation room and fully equipped gym, pool and spa will also feature. 00:44:44 Speaker 1: So tell us regarding the properties, do you own these already or did you have to acquire them? 00:44:51 Speaker 16: So we have owned the land at Rose Park for a while now and since two thousand and the Dover Garden site we just purchased in May of this year, and that is the site of the old primary school in Dover Gardens. 00:45:09 Speaker 1: When will these sites be up and running? 00:45:14 Speaker 16: So the developments at Dova Gardens, the work is scheduled to begin in the second half of twenty twenty six and be completed by mid twenty twenty eight. And for Dover Gardens, we're looking to start that in June of next year and hopefully can complete that by June twenty twenty eight. 00:45:37 Speaker 1: It's certainly a major investment you're making into age per in South Australia. 00:45:42 Speaker 16: We've listened really deeply to what old Australians and understand what they need and want to deliver all that is possible to support aging well and these investments will bring together technology and thoughtful design with a strong focus on staying active and connected, which we know is vital to well being as we age from the ground up. We're creating places where aging well is encouraged, promoted and really supported, and we're excited to demonstrate what the future can hold for older South Australians. 00:46:14 Speaker 1: Well, Linda, thanks for passing on the news to us. That's sir Linda Feldt, Ach Group CEO about their investment of one hundred ninety million dollars into two major developments in metropolitan Adlaid. My number eight double two three doub doublo is the number to ring. As you well know, the Liberal Party has a new leader, Ashton Hern has a little over one hundred days to make an impact before the state election. She appeared on Breakfast with the Boys this morning and spoke about the Voice and net zero. 00:46:41 Speaker 13: I made our team's position clear on the Voice yesterday, and that is that if her Liberal government was elected, that we would repel the Voice. I think that the people of South Australia spoke really clearly about how they felt about the Voice. That was something that was ignored largely by the Premier and we will take a different approach there. Of course, we need to do a lot more when it comes to improving the lives of Indigenous South Australians, when it comes to health and education, all those things, but yes, we would have a very clear choice there. And when it comes to net zero, I think part of a challenge with this is that it's kind of do you support net zero? Has turned out turn into a proxy question of do you support climate change? And of course I support support climate change and the climate is changing. I see it every day from farmers in my community who are feeling the impact. But we will absolutely be focused on affordability. That will be a key pillar that will take to the next election and people will be under no illusion where we sit that on that matter. 00:47:41 Speaker 1: Ashton Hearn non five double a breakfast this morning, and I don't know if you detected as I believe Ashton Hearn has cut through something vincent Tazia. No matter what subject he was talking on, he didn't get cut through. He didn't make you think, well, that's an alternative to what the government is providing. Ashton Hearn is providing that. Whether she can maintain it is the question. But of course you know this is still the honeymoon period for the new opposition leader. As she admits herself, there's a long way to go. 00:48:12 Speaker 13: Look, there's an absolute mountain to climb in this role. Someone asked me what type of mountain and it seems like Mount Everest at the moment. But bit by bit, my team and I are genuinely looking forward to the next one hundred and two days and making sure that people know that in US they have a choice on a number of issues, including on affordability, including on better health, and obviously something that you guys have been covering this morning, on making sure that we actually have consequences for crime here in South Australia, which is just getting out of control. 00:48:42 Speaker 1: Liberal leader Ashton Hearn. So what are your thoughts, folks, initial thoughts on Ashton Hearn? Do you think it was a good choice by the Liberal Party? Do you think it was too late the move to remove Vincent Tazia? Would you at least consider Ashton Hearn? Do you now consider the Liberals an alternative government or is it so far down the track that labor is so far ahead that you wouldn't even consider what the opposition has to say. I just like to know whether it would make people at least think, because I think up until this point the die was cast even rusted on liberal voters were thinking how can I vote for this party? How can I honestly vote for this party? Those that were marginally swinging voters who were principally Liberals were saying, look, Peter Malan asks, his government is doing a pretty good job. I'll stick with them because the Liberals haven't got their act together. Well have the Libs now got their act together? Let's know what you think? Eight double two to three double Oh hi gg, I've just booked three first class tickets from Sydney to New York like Anika Wells did. The total came to seventy five thousand dollars for three people with Emirates. Fired you Bai wondering where the other twenty five thousand came from? Dan, thank you for that, and lucky you. Three first class tickets first class tickets from SIDS to New York. Now, I thought government ministers were allowed to travel business class, but how she spent one hundred thousand dollars in tickets? 00:50:10 Speaker 4:

There? 00:50:10 Speaker 1: We have an example. We had a caller earlier talking about business class tickets costing way less than that. Now first class tickets seventy five thousand dollars, the equivalent three tickets going from Sydney to New York, where Anika Wells spent one hundred thousand dollars for herself and two staff members. I think we need more information. What are your thoughts? 00:50:32 Speaker 2: Five Double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:50:36 Speaker 1: Twenty past ten. From the text line, maybe Anaka Wells and the staff flew in Concord to New York. Concord tickets were very expensive. Concord hasn't planned for twenty years. But yeah, maybe that was the explanation. Bruce, good morning to you, good thanks, thanks. 00:50:53 Speaker 17: A new opposition Later, I'm not very impressed. I'm not very impressed with her. 00:50:58 Speaker 18: Actually, why is that when she was or. 00:51:01 Speaker 17: When she was in charge of the opposite opposition help all she ever had was criticism of the government's policies, but never ever. 00:51:11 Speaker 18: Had any of her own. 00:51:12 Speaker 3: And and. 00:51:15 Speaker 17: So far I haven't heard anything that that's going to make me change my mind. I think it's just like moving deck chairs on the Titanic, to be perfectly. 00:51:27 Speaker 1: Honest, so that from labor. 00:51:31 Speaker 17: Nope, until she comes out with with with definite policies about what they're going to do, I wouldn't change my mind. 00:51:40 Speaker 1: Good on your Bruce, thanks for call. Aunt to Lewiston, Mark, what are your views on Ashton hern Graham. 00:51:47 Speaker 14: Two points One, it's super super critical for all the sheeple out there that just blatantly blindly vote for this mob. The two the two groups that I want to hear from and I want to hear loud and clear. Is the rest of the ministers that can I mean, it's great to hear the leaders speak in the way she's speaking with very little content, but all the other ministers can outvoter and change the complete direction. They could be totally finet zero and totally for the voice, her appinion. Her view can be outvoted. The other group that I want to hear from is the lobbyists, the people that control the Liberal Party, the people that have got their own agenda no matter what we the people want. So they're the groups I want to hear from. Secondly, on a completely separate subject, I hear in the airwaves that the government have given Woolworths something like twenty three million dollars to assist them with their electric vehicle delivery vans. I don't believe this government can be so treasonous to the people. I mean, Woolworths make a billion dollars a year. Why are we giving them twenty three million dollars to assist them? From two groups, it's just disgraceful that they think that they could do this with no respect to the people of this country. I can't believe it. 00:53:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, good on you, Mark. Look I don't know the thinking behind

it. I had heard that as well, that they're providing, as you said, twenty three million dollars to woolworth so they can equip their vehicles or get evs. But we will find out more about that and pass on the information Ashley. Good morning. 00:53:30 Speaker 19: Yeah, good morning, Brian look owen. I'd like to just make a few points about this, the expenses incurred by politicians going into state and so on. Sure, the thing is that when you think about it, they talk about the entitlements of politicians. Politicians are paid by the public and the Parliament doesn't have any money of their own. It's only what comes in from taxpayers. 00:54:03 Speaker 9: Now. 00:54:04 Speaker 19: For far too long, there's been too many politicians with their snouts in the trough, going on trips and so on, and in particular this lady that. 00:54:14 Speaker 20: Went here, there and everywhere. 00:54:17 Speaker 19: If they oppose that, it's about time that someone says right, politicians only get approved allowances for themselves, not for their partners, maybe their partners, certainly not their kids, and not to go overseas or to go skiing all this sort of thing. If this isn't suitable, well then just stop it. That's all they need to do is just say no. From here on in, there's no more allowances. 00:54:50 Speaker 2: For any. 00:54:52 Speaker 19: Any family to go here and there with them because really speaking, it's number of much shots. And the way to do it is the fiction not talk about it all the time. Tims have changed and they've got to pull their heads in a little bit as well. 00:55:13 Speaker 1: Good on you, Ashley, thanks for your comment. Yeah, this is the thing that galls people. This is this family reunion thing that the government believes. And I'm not talking about this government, but governments believe that if you're going to spend so much time in Canberra twenty four weeks or whatever the year is, and if you're a minister, you're probably serving thirty or forty weeks away from home, that to make the job more palatable you need family reunion time. Now, that's all well and good, but I think when someone goes into politics they are fully aware of what it will require. You don't run for a federal seat in Adelaide and then find out you're going to Canberra. Oops, I didn't know I was going to be away half for half a year. Oh I want some entitlements. I mean, you go into the job with eyes wide open, or do they? But the money that is allocated and that should be set aside. The government should come out and say this is the amount of money that's been spent by politicians farrying their families around the country. Has that figure ever been revealed? I'd like to know it eight double two three double o double o. On the text line, I'm discusted that the government is giving such a massive amount of taxpayer money to a huge company that is making such a massive profit. That's in relation to Woolworth's. Here will take a closer look at that. 00:56:28 Speaker 21:

Kayleen, good morning, good morning, Good morning Graham. Well this is in two sections and I have to choose my words very carefully so I don't get cut off. We have to get serious in Adelaide in South Australia about bushfire clearance. I mean there's twenty three fires burning in New South Wales as we speak. As far as I know is that one or two people have died and they've done no clearing through the hills and the foothills are in Bellevue Heights. Now this goes back when you're going to have to think of your memory bank. It all started back with dam Delut who unfortunately got kicked out, and we were on the wall path a bit back then, and I've been trying to check up recently and of hit brick walls. The federal government gave pensioners and hardship cases money to clear their blocks. So it was cleared by the first in November. Now, when I tackled my local cancil who I'm not allowed to name, but I think everybody can guess who it is, the Lord Mayor got stuck into me and said that was before my time. And I said, well, Heather, it might have been, but you're now in charge. Where's that money? And I got a letter that, oh, look on, yes, minister, remember the old show, Yes minister. They'd be really proud of it. It was googly goop and they did not think now to have our block cleared. I'll give you an idea. The front flat so we can have an ordinary gardener's list, but the back goes into gully. We're looking at three hundred dollars every year, so it's not cheap, right. So it got outsourced and I won't name the company. But I was on the list for just an ordinary gardener to just come in and trim bushes and things, nice things, not the gully since March. I rang up every two to three weeks since March. On the first of November, I was told I was number eighty four on the list. 00:58:44 Speaker 19: Eighty four eighty four after. 00:58:47 Speaker 21: All those months. Anyway, I'd pre booked last year with the same company that this cance was outsourced too, to have my bush fire clearance done. Now, I covered up. I didn't gloss it up. I sent photos in. They did it last year for me this year. The guy that did it last year was off sick, which he can't help. They sent out a team that was a man in his fifties and a woman about the same age. She had on shoes that weren't proper for a backyard like ours. They turned up with a lama. My husband just broke out laughing. They had one whippy snipper between them, so I'm paying her to stand there while he whippy snips, and she took some photos on her iPad. Then the head of this company that it's outsourced to, and I've got all her name and details. About three or four days later rang me up and I'm pretty tough, but I haven't been well lately. She absolutely abused me for sending her stuff into that situation. We'll be a lot of one. 01:00:02 Speaker 8: Excuse me up. 01:00:03 Speaker 21: He went down now and I said, look, i've photos in. I haven't glossed it up. I've told you it's a tough job. I haven't said it's the lawn knowing job. And she was really really nasty, and so. 01:00:16 Speaker 1: Surely it was the council that allocated the job and they knew what was required. 01:00:23 Speaker 21: Well, the cancer was outsourced to this company, Yeah, which out say the name on the radio. 01:00:28 Speaker 1: Look, give us the information, Calene. We'll leave it there at the moment. But I mean it's the case if they're outsourcing it, the council should be sending the people that can do the job. If you've got a sizeable cleanup operation, sending someone out with a whipper snipper and the lawnwer is totally inadequate and that is not your fault. A double two to three double O double is the number to ring after the break. How organized crime could be forcing big tobacco out of Australia five double. 01:00:55 Speaker 2: A Mornings with Gram Goodings twenty. 01:00:58 Speaker 1: Seven minutes, two eleven on this Tuesday morning. Maria, Good morning, Good. 01:01:04 Speaker 22: Morning, Graham Graham. Two points One I've discussed with your programmer, but one I haven't want to comment about astronoon now in regard to Anika Worlds, this is a disgrace the public of placing the Commonwealth, federal, state and local governments on notice, stop wasting our taxpayers money. We've had a gutfull. Australians deserve better, They deserve transparency, they deserve action, not just finger pointing. We want the facts, we want them in real time, and Anika should fall on a sword for all the excesses. We don't want the excuses within the guidelines, within the rules. With entitlements, it's beyond public expectation drawing a line today under all the large esses of travel allowances and entitlements. We want fair and reasonable use of our money, which is not being done. And I don't think it is being fair and reasonable when you can actually charge up spending six thousand dollars for five days for one dinner that reportedly costs six hundred dollars in regards to the airfares to New York, it was ninety five thousand by three and the total costs, because that ninety five thousand was just airfares, the total amounts for that trip, for three seconds of being in the United Nations, was one hundred and ninety thousand. And I could give you fact after fact after fact where she spent one hundred and sixteen thousand on streets to Paris, free tickets to you know, oasis and everything. No, they get very highly paid and no entitlement. Let's draw a line today, no entitlements if you want to go to Canberra. You know, as you said, and I agree with your Graham. You know what you're entied, not entitled what you know. 01:03:35 Speaker 1: What yourself getting yourself in for. Yeah, good on your Maria, thanks for your call. 01:03:38 Speaker 2: Today. 01:03:39 Speaker 1: I'll do another topic that is of causing great concern, a national crisis in the tobacco industry. Anyone that's a smoker knows the price of tobacco, legal tobacco. It's certainly bumped up the black market. The legal tobacco

market is on the brink of collapse. Apparently organized crime poise to seize total control with then three years. That's the warning from leaders within the industry. Australian Association of Convenience Stores CEO Theo Fakari joins us. Now THEO good morning to you. 01:04:09 Speaker 2: Good. 01:04:12 Speaker 1: Do you think that's overstating the case that major tobacco might just abandon on stratia? 01:04:18 Speaker 2: Oh no, not at all. 01:04:19 Speaker 5: So I think if you just look at the simple facts where you have legal retailers ranging from coals and wool wars and matcash own IgA, plus all of the petrol inconvenience retailers that we represent. They're reporting our tobacco sales now are down fifty odd percent versus the same time last year. So if that decline rate actually just stays the same, doesn't get worse, we will within three years basically not have any legal product left for the federal government to tax. It will leave the two and a half million adults Australians that smoke being supplied by crime gangs. And I mean that in Australia in twenty twenty five or twenty twenty eight, if we fast forward is just mind blowing to be frank. 01:05:11 Speaker 1: Is there any concern about the quality of the illegal tobacco? 01:05:15 Speaker 2: Oh? 01:05:15 Speaker 5: Look, so it's an unregulated product, so some of it is About half of the illegal product is loosely. What I mean by that is it's just like raw tobacco and people then roll it up into their own cigarettes. Nobody knows what's in that the product that comes in from overseas. It's reported that some of these crime gangs actually have their own manufacturing facilities. Who knows what they're putting in them? But you know the point with that is there's no regulation whatsoever. No one's checking them. They're not playing by any rules in terms of not only just the packaging from a health warnings perspective, but the ingredients and any additives or anything like that they add. So it's an absolute disaster on so many different fronts. And I think where we're at, Graham and I heard you had the South Australian Treasurer Tom Coots on earlier this morning made some valid points just around the excise and I think the federal government is continuing to be more and more isolated on their policy position regarding tobacco excise. I think we've now got, you know, the South Australian Premier saying excise is part of the problem. We've got the new South Wales Premier. We've had the Queensland Health and Police ministers come out. We've also had the Victorian Minister for tobacco Regulation come out all on this same topic. And that's not to mention we've got very senior leading economists. We've actually had the ex Deputy Chief Medical Officer Nick Coatsworth on a couple of weeks ago talking about that. Look, they've just got this wrong. The excise needs to down. We're in this situation, Graham, where you can buy an illegal pack for ten or fifteen dollars and that same pack for forty five

or fifty from a legitimate retailer. So whilst you've got that gap, unfortunately, I think we're going to see more of this. One of the challenges Graham is, you know, I think like Murray Watt was in the Senate Estimates last week and he was asked point blank if he thinks that the Excise being so large has contributed to this illegal tobacco problem which has brought all of this crime into the community. 01:07:38 Speaker 2: And he said no. 01:07:40 Speaker 5: So you know, he's saying exactly what Mark Butler's saying. And you know, I think they're just living in this little bubble and they're stuck with their ideological views. And look, their policy on excise initially was pretty well intended put the price up people should stop smoking. But unfortunately, when you look at the laws around economics, and there's a few different models that people reference, But when you look at what's happened since twenty eighteen, where excise we now know hit its tipping point, the adult smokers just won't pay the price anymore. And initially it was a small amount that wouldn't be happy to pay the price, But now it's claimed approximately two thirds of the whole tobacco consumption in Australia is actually supplied by these organized crime groups. So we're going to end up in this situation unless we have a policy reset, we might have to go backwards to go forward. We're going to end up in a scenario where there won't be any regulated product being sold for the government to tax, which if we get to that point, it would be a very very sad day in Australia because crime will only continue to get worse from where it is now. 01:08:56 Speaker 1: So what are the other implications if the major tobacco companies out of the Stadia? 01:09:01 Speaker 2: What is this? 01:09:02 Speaker 1: What is the scene then? 01:09:04 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, if I look at it now, the scene that we have in Australia is the regulated companies are still you know, selling a regulated product, playing by all the rules, meeting all the relevant standards, and we've still had more than two hundred and fifty five bombings, We've had three or four murders, we've had ram raids, we've got standover tactics. We've got extortion money being demanded by these crime groups of retailers around the country. We've had insurance premiums for legal retailers go up. And if I talk about the health impacts, I mean we've actually had in Western Australia that's the most recent data over the last two years, the adult smoking rate has grown by twenty percent. It's gone from ten to twelve percent. We don't have the official data from a Commonwealth perspective, that won't come out till later next year, but all reports are and the AMA have called this out and the Health Minister Butler has called this out himself. They are extremely concerned that the smoking rates will go up, in particular with young people because these crime groups that are running these illegal stores don't care who they sell to, including children. 01:10:24 Speaker 1: And the federal government refused to acknowledge any of this. 01:10:28 Speaker 5: Unfortunately, they think they can enforce their way out of this and only use enforcement as the lever. We think enforcement is one of the leavers. You may have heard or for your listeners in Queensland. So Queensland recently introduced similar laws to what South Australia have, but in the first ten days of them having these new laws in place, they actually down with ninety day closure orders one hundred and four gate stores. So we'd love to see every other state ramp up their enforcement. But at the same time they need to be able to strip the demand from the illegal market, and the only way you can do that is to actually bring the price down so it is more moderated. I'm not saying bring it down to the same level as the illegal market, but slightly above that. And the other piece in this mix as well is all of these crime groups that are selling or importing and selling illegal tobacco, they're also importing vaping products. And as you know, vaping products are only technically legal to be purchased via a pharmacist, but nobody in Australia, very very small percentage is actually using that. So we continue back in calls around that vaping products need to be regulated in a way to be sold by licensed retailers with age restriction requirements. Plus you don't include silly flavors like that would be the children, and they can't be displayed, they need to be behind closed doors. No different tobacco. So we think through those three livers together will will be able to help a reduce the crime be actually bring illegal smokers back into the legal market and bring in the vaping market which is completely unregulated and unchecked. Who knows what's in those And you know what will happen if that does eventuate. The federal government will actually start growing their excise because right now their excise is only at seven billion dollars. That's down from a high of sixteen billion dollars, so that's nine billion dollars less perannum. We understand that the excise collections in the first half of this year will be very significant down versus the same time last year. The Treasurer of Jim Chalmers will be outlining that in his my EFO update I think next week. So you know, they just continue to sit on their hands and trying to pull one lever. But the harsh reality is if they don't get their skates on, if they don't actually start listening to people on the ground, if they don't get out of their bubble, we won't have a legal tobacco market in Australia. And if we think that it's bad right now, it's only going to get a lot worse. 01:13:40 Speaker 1: THEO for CARI thanks so much of your time. That's the Australian Association of Convenience Stores CEO, THEO for Kari on the parlor state of Australia's tobacco industry, the fact that the major legal tobacco companies are thinking of pulling out of Ustrata altogether. What a disaster that would be.

But well apparently the government don't. I think there's a real issue. Labor Senator and Cabinet Minister Murray Watt has insisted the tax is not contributing to illicit sales. He claims there's no evidence for it, and he said it at a Senate estimates meeting. He was quizzed by Senator Malcolm Roberts. 01:14:15 Speaker 23: Minister, do you consider that government's very high tobacco duty is the reason otherwise law abiding citizens are prepared to buy illegal tobacco for generally a third of the legal price. No, any reasons. 01:14:28 Speaker 24: There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that argument. 01:14:33 Speaker 1: Are you joking? 01:14:35 Speaker 8: No? 01:14:36 Speaker 25: Okay, minister. 01:14:37 Speaker 23: Is this office designed to make it look like you're doing something to solve a problem. You're greedy tax grab credit and your predecessors No no data, just meetings, just no empowering organized crime, decreasing revenue that taxpayers have to make up, and you're just say no. 01:14:55 Speaker 7: Well, you asked me a question and I said no, and. 01:14:59 Speaker 23: I'm asking you ignoring the data, ignoring the to just put in meetings. You're empowering organized crime and you're decreasing their revenue to the government. 01:15:07 Speaker 2: No, thank you very much. 01:15:10 Speaker 1: So there's the view of Senator Murray Watt, the Minister responsible, and he believes there is particularly no issue. So what hope have you got? 01:15:20 Speaker 2: Eight? 01:15:20 Speaker 1: Double two three double double? Oh is the number? 01:15:23 Speaker 2: Graham. 01:15:23 Speaker 1: A thirty gram pouch of tobacco from smoke Mart is ninety eight dollars. I can get one hundred grams for fifty dollars from my local quarter store. Why would I pay three times the cost? Alcohol is going in this direction. A seven hundred million bottle of Jack Daniels is fifty five dollars at Dan's. I know of a few people who buy alcohol from their local neighborhood backyard distiller. A one lead bottle of Scotch will run you twenty bucks. The government has a serious problem that as spiraling out of control. If you ask me, they have lost total control. I was down at the Henley Foreshore ss Andrew and I saw primary school age kids smoking vapes. You don't need even need to go into shops these days. Anyone, including kids, can buy very cheap vaits online. It's out of control. And one person says, morning, what would happen if you just removed the tax on cigarettes? More points to ponder five double. 01:16:15 Speaker 2: A Mornings with Graham Goodings, Hey. 01:16:18 Speaker 1: Tw eleven and five double A on this Tuesday morning. Hope we find you well, use it or lose it? The countdown is on to cash in on your extras. More than fifteen million Australians have private health extras cover, yet more than half of us don't use it. So use it or lose it is the cry. Matthew cos is the Members Health Funderliance CEO. He joins us now Matthew, good morning to you, Good morning. So so many Australians are spending a lot of money during the year and they're not fully taking advantage of what they've got. 01:16:50 Speaker 24: Yeah, and look, it's a crazy busy time of year in the lead up to Christmas. And what a lot of people lose sight of is the fact that the extras reset on one January. So if you don't use your extras now, you kind of lose it. And we really encourage people to use their extras for things like check up. So get your eyes checked, get your teeth checked. Last thing you'd want is to be spending the Christmas holidays in pain. And we now know our emergency services people are always stretched over the Christmas period as well, so you don't want to put them under extra pressure too. So you know, some of those preventative health initiatives can be a really wise investment of your time. 01:17:30 Speaker 1: Now, there be a lot of people listening would say, look, I've used a few things during the era, I don't know what I've got available, So what do you do to find out what is there and what isn't. 01:17:39 Speaker 24: Look, the health funds have apps, so if you can use the app, use that or just give the health fund a call. Pick up the phone, call a health fund and ask them what's remaining. The most important thing is to get those check ups. So those dental checkups, those optical checkups. Sometimes, you know, getting that early checkup can identify an issue you extremely early before it becomes something more serious. That can save you money in the long run. It can save you a lot of pain. It can save you a lot of disruption as well. So do make the most of those health checks that are available through your insurer. Most insurers are very generous in those in the cover for those health checks. They really want you to use them, So take full advantage of it and don't leave it till till too late. At the moment, you're going to probably find that appointments a dentists and optometrists are feeling fast, So if you're going to make that appointment, just go out and do it today. 01:18:36 Speaker 1: So even if you make the appointment, if it's after January one, you won't get the benefit. I take it. 01:18:42 Speaker 24: Well, Look, your extras will reset, so you'll still have extras in the new year, but it will be a new limit that will apply. That's how most health funds operate. So yeah, if you want to use your extra's limits for this year, go out and make the appointment asap and get that appointment before one January. 01:19:01 Speaker 1: I guess it might be difficult for making some appointments, but I guess if you're needing new glasses or sunglasses, it might be a lot easier. 01:19:08 Speaker 24: Absolutely, And the last thing you want is to spend the Christmas holiday period with a lousy set of glasses. You don't want to risk getting a headache because your prescription lenses are out of date. Likewise, you don't want to be suffering a toothache over Christmas lunch. So go and get those important check

ups. Now, extras a really good value for money. They cover things like physio cairo, speech therapy, psychology, hearing, aids for dietary remedial massage, even dietetic dietics as well. So there are a lot of things covered under your extras and it's a good way to maintain good health. 01:19:47 Speaker 1: So why do you think it is that so many of us just get to this stage of the year and forget that we've still got effectively money in the bank. 01:19:54 Speaker 24: I think we just get distracted. We've all got such busy lives, people are flat out, particularly as we run up to Christmas, and people just lose track of it. So use those extras policies that you've got, Use it for things that you need, particularly those dental and optical checkups. It can make a world of difference if you get it done in a timely way, and you know members health funds are not for profit, member owned. Our community of health insurers are not run for shareholders or overseas investors. They're running entirely for members. They want to pay claims. They want you to get the best possible available care. They want you to get it in a fast, high quality way. So do use your extras. 01:20:40 Speaker 2: Members. 01:20:40 Speaker 24: Health funds are out there to support you and back you all away. 01:20:44 Speaker 1: So once again tell us how we can find out what we've gone available. 01:20:48 Speaker 24: Use your app, call a health fund, have a chat to the helpful staff. 01:20:54 Speaker 1: And give yourself an early Christmas present. 01:20:57 Speaker 24: Absolutely, and you know avoid potentially a something that could be really unpleasant down the track. These preventative health checks, they're fantastic. They can really make a world of difference. 01:21:08 Speaker 1: Matthew, great to chat, Thanks for your time, CEO of the Member's Health Alliance Fund, Matthew Coast. So use it or lose it, folks. And it's amazing that more than fifteen million Australians have private health extras cover, yet more than half of us don't use it. So how silly is that you're paying out really hard earned money, hard to come by, and yet you're totally entitled to some of these benefits. Whether it be a dental check up, whether it be new sunglasses or a physiotherapy visit, and you're not using it and you have only until January the first to do it, So get in and get in quick. Hi Gg, same complaint. Sick of these electrical scooters dumped everywhere and always in pedestrians way if people are on or off them. Still think main streets and CBD area a North Terrace King William Pultney Grenfell gall a place where walkways and narrow, especially when waiting for the bus. They should not be allowed to use the footpath, they should use the road. On that subject of e bikes, there's an interesting move in New South Wales that e bikes be made mandatory to have them registered, and if they are registered, the responsibility goes on the parents. So even if it's a child involved in an accident or causing

an accident or mischief, the parent would be responsible. We'll talk about that later. Eight double two three, double O double oh is my number back after the. 01:22:29 Speaker 2: News five double A Mornings with Graham Goodings. 01:22:33 Speaker 1: As we enter the final hour of the show, Still times you do put forward your point of View'd love to hear At eight double two to three double oh. Regarding Annca Wells and a spending This is the Canbra bubble and the arrogance and complete loss of the reality of everyday life in the real world GGI and other reason gas prices are being high as the regulatory compliance differences from electricity. This industry can can and does underestimate the expected annual use of customers. Once that figure is reached, they can increase the price. We are definitely at the mercy of the gas industry, especially businesses. Thank you, Jenny and Marie Anika Wells. There's only one thing better than a cheapie, and that is a freebee. High Graham after watching the Channel seven spotlight program on the cheap dirty nickel that is mined and processed on an Indonesian island, the environmental disaster it has caused to the local people and the total disregard by the Chinese company that runs the mine. Australia's Chris Bowen needs to answer the question how environmentally friendly are the many electric vehicles that are being manufactured today? Thank you for that, Michelle well Christmas season is pretty much upon us. I think we all in one one another look forward to the perfect Christmas. But the idea of a perfect Christmas Day is a myth that I think sets up a lot of families for disappointment. Joining Minawa is Amanda Gordon is a psychologist. Thanks for being with us today. Look, we all want the perfect Christmas. Why doesn't it always work out that way? 01:24:07 Speaker 3: Well? 01:24:07 Speaker 26: I hope for some people it does, but for others it doesn't. Partly, I suspect because we have expectations. And when you have expectations that things will work in a certain way, they rarely do. So that could be one explanation. Another explanation is people have been holding their breath until Christmas, and as they breathe out, that's when things go wrong. So it's in a way it's the preparation. It's the anxiety and anticipation. It is the anticipation. It's the expectation. And I wonder whether the other thing is this fantasy we all have that we have what we could put in inverted commas, the perfect family. Yeah, and then the perfect family doesn't emerge, and that is the. 01:24:51 Speaker 1: Case, and when it gets to I guess Christmas Day, it's all focusing on that because there are other pressures, you know, buying presents, getting the family altogether, cooking the meal, preparing everything. So pressure builds up from so many different. 01:25:04 Speaker 26: Points, so many different points, Graham. I think in particular about the number of divided families in Australia at the moment, so that it used to be that at least it was mum and Dad and the grandparents and the kids and maybe the aunts and the uncles all coming together. But now there are so many divisions and loyalties and plans about you'll be with Mum in the morning and Dad in the afternoon and Grandma in the evening, whatever it is, that it adds even more stresses. But we can't ignore the really big one, Graham. And that's the alcohol. 01:25:36 Speaker 1: Right well, most people like a little bit of Christmas cheer. You're suggesting we probably have a little bit too much. 01:25:42 Speaker 26: I think there is good evidence that within Australia we have too much. On days when we're feeling a little tense and a little anxious, we have a pre lubrication to get through the lunch and then we have cheers and you know, a celebration that it's the lunch, and then the after lunch drink and then the preparation for dinner and so on. I think people really need to think very carefully about whether the way they are drinking is likely to impact their own behavior and their understanding of other people's behavior. 01:26:15 Speaker 1: So we still have time. There is still time to plan the Christmas Day as near as perfect as possible. So what should we do to make sure it goes as trouble free as possible? 01:26:25 Speaker 26: Begin the communication early. Don't not talk to each other for weeks and weeks and then get together on Christmas Day and assume you're all on the same page with everything, actually talk about it. The better the ongoing communication during the year, the easier Christmas always is. It's when Christmas is an abnormal day because we're expected to talk to each other or even to sit in the same room as each other, that the problem arises. So the more you're sort of talking, engaging, and don't just use social media, actually pick up that phone and talk to them because you're going to ensure that there aren't big disagreements because of misunderstandings. That way, then you've got that's the first chance. The second is opt in rather than opt out. Don't go there just to watch, actually be part of it. Be engaged, be curious, be involved, and you'll find that that's joyful, even if some of the interactions aren't entirely what you'd hoped for. At least if you're part of it, you could be proud of your engagement with other people. You're going to walk away feeling better. 01:27:32 Speaker 1: Do you think we need to set some boundaries ahead of time? You know, no go zone subjects that we don't talk about. 01:27:39 Speaker 26: I think it depends on the family. There are some families that get together and all they do is talk about politics, and others would be shaken to the core if they had to reveal how they voted. So you know, there are a great range of families and for that reason, you have to reflect on what does it mean for my family if I choose not to talk about this, What does it mean for my family if I do choose to talk about this? And think about what's going on in your lives and your

family right now? There is no generic rule that works for every family. 01:28:10 Speaker 1: So what are the trigger points? On Christmas Day, a couple of drinks in and you know the inhibitions are slightly removed. What sort of things trigger dissent and upset? 01:28:22 Speaker 26: Well, sometimes it's political conversation. Sometimes there's disappointment we hear from Generationally, the differences between the generations can be very challenging. Sometimes if the older generation hasn't adjusted to understand that the younger generation are also adults, for instance, and are entitled to both opinions and choices about how they live their lives, then it's likely that after a few drinks, old patterns in old ways could reimpose themselves, and that can be very difficult. I think it's whenever people come together after a long absence from each other, it's going to be both wonderful and difficult, and we have to join looking for the wonder being curious about how to find the wonder rather than looking for the danger signs and the worries because they'll always be there. 01:29:16 Speaker 1: I think a lot of families build it up so much the expectation becomes huge. You know, from part way through the earl, we're going to get together for Christmas. We haven't seen Artie so and say for so long, or you know, the troubled brother is coming back from overseas. But this is just going to be the most perfect day and everything is going to go wonderfully well, so the expectation by the time you get to the day, so many people are expecting so much and invariably they're disappointed. 01:29:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's. 01:29:43 Speaker 26: Very sad for me. The sadness is the separations between people for so long between Christmases. So I always think if there can be connection throughout the year, Christmas will always be easier. As you say, we still have time to do some of that, so that the day isn't the day. It's part of our lives that we live together and we rub shoulders and know something about each other. I think there are dangers when families have separated in a horrible way, you know, when there's been a lot of acrimony, when it's been awful, and then they expect that they can all just sit nicely around the table together because it's Christmas. I think there has to be an acknowledgment that some of these things are difficult, and maybe we should think about the seating, We should think about making things as easy as possible for each of the people who are there, instead of it being all about me. 01:30:40 Speaker 1: And I guess we need to remember why we're gathering because it's Christmas. 01:30:44 Speaker 26: Well, that's right, and whether it's for religious reasons or custom or for whatever reason that you're getting together and it's the Christmas time, try and bring in that idea of family connection, community connection, looking out for people who don't have what you have, sharing, being open and if you can do that within your own family, you're going to find that the day goes better. And if you can think about how to extend those feelings to others as well, then other people's day will go better as well, and that will be very nice. 01:31:18 Speaker 1: That's great advice. Good to chan, Amanda, you have a great Christmas. That's Amanda Gordon, psychologist on tips to surviving family relationships at Christmas time. Tell us your secrets or horror stories of the Christmas Day that was planned to be oh so perfect and just didn't quite go according to plan. I'd love to hear your story. Eight double two three double double oh back shortly. 01:31:42 Speaker 2: Five double A Mornings with Graham. 01:31:44 Speaker 1: Goodings your calls in a moment, But firstly from the text line, Marty says, good morning, Graham. I've recently noticed a tobacco retailer removing display cabinets from my local shopping center. He informed me that illegal tobacco has put him out of business. He also told me the illegal product is identical to the legal product without the health warnings. Apparently they come out of the same overseas production facilities. 01:32:07 Speaker 2: Chairs go ahead, Hi, Graham, No, I. 01:32:11 Speaker 27: Was just wondering you you're up to be with what SA police are doing in the hunts for little Gustin and mont. 01:32:18 Speaker 8: No. 01:32:18 Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything recently because. 01:32:21 Speaker 27: It's always been a mystery in me. Very early on in the search, the police commissioner came out and said that as far as he was concerned, over one hundred percent confident there was no foul play. That always mystified me because as each shirt continued and they couldn't find him, and even after the last in the minds Gary Jubil and the detective that did some work up New South Wales came out and said that the police were perhaps now looking at the fact that there could have been foul play. If you're talking the police pass, you got to ask him question why they thought early on that there would be no our play, because personally, I've always felt that someone could have driven into that property pat and gas and headed back to the answer or even going on one of the dirt roads down to way through it. We never never even considered that. 01:33:25 Speaker 1: I have not got any thoughts on it. But I can tell you that the police Commissioner will be on breakfast with David and will this week, so we will advise them that you would like to know the answer to that question, and hopefully the Commissioner will give you a satisfactory answer. William, good morning. 01:33:42 Speaker 18: Good morning Graham. Good to hear that the prief commission will bey on this week because that was going to be my next question to you. That group of five yesterday before the two young girls and the three young boys attacked the bottle of stuff out at Modbury and the older man got smashed in the face of the bottle. Now this I was. I've heard many stories of your listeners getting

online and letting you know of their version of what happened. I was partd in the Halfway Hotel Bodlow last Friday and a similar scenario had happened. But anyway, I just I can't believe that this is what's what these young fifteen, thirteen, eighteen year old people are doing and the parents are not being hod accountable. Now, the reason why I tell you is, I'm not proud about this at all. I worked with somebody who knows the parents of one of those kids. Now, I don't hang out these types of people. Gram you know, I'll pay kids myself and touch wood. You know, my kids are gon for a union come out quite good. But from what I understand, one of those one of the three young boys in cavern at the moment, he got refused bail because this is his third a third time he's done this. He I don't know if you remember, going back to back a couple of weeks ago, according to the guy I worked with, the same kid bottled a lady in the face and ruptured her eye socket. Do you remember that? 01:35:31 Speaker 1: I don't actually. 01:35:35 Speaker 18: So Anyway, what I'm trying to get to Gray is, you know, I really hope that police commissioner has a you know, a bit of a time to have a bit of a chat about this. What these parents have to be held Some apparently that the parents are on drugs and don't give two hoops about the kid. 01:35:51 Speaker 17: Right, so. 01:35:53 Speaker 18: While that kid is under eighteen, shouldn't he was either one be removed from their care or two they have to be held responsible. Please actually to his eighteenth. 01:36:03 Speaker 8: Surely. 01:36:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, William, I hear exactly what you're saying and the frustration in your voice, and so many of us are frustrated. This is an absolutely horrendous situation. Young teenagers being arrested over violent attacks on bottle shops, not for the first time, not for the second time, some for the second, third, fourth, and fifth time, repeat offenders. You've rightly asked the question, where are the parents? What are the parents doing? Shouldn't they be held responsible? These are all questions I don't know so much just for the police commissioner, but certainly the government needs to intervene and step in. But the Police Commissioner will be on Breakfast with the Boys later this week, so if you're listening, maybe you might like to ring up and put that question to him. Matt, good morning, Yeah, Graham, how are you good? Thanks? 01:36:48 Speaker 6: Yeah, just him like that last caller. These children, the ones, the ones that committed that, you know, we've got atrocious behavior yesterday now bottle shop and every one of them and this is one hundred percent fact, is basically what we're short for what they call gone got eighteen Guardian of the Mint that the guardianship to the minister. So they're all out of home being taken off. Their parents are in the care till they're eighteen. And that goes for this one that done the Thirsty Camel bottle shopper and Takawa a few weeks ago

as well a lot. So that's the bottom line. And by no means and not saying it's acceptable that they're on bail, but there's obviously a lot more to it than I just thought. You know, you know, will your child go out when he was thirty and would have no intention of doing that. There's obviously a lot more behind the saints. By no main to Mark and dining that they should be locked up held accountable for their actions. But these people aren't just random children that are living at home you know, got up in air or somewhere like that, you know, or MIDINDI just done crime for the sake of it. They are children that are in the guardianship of the minister until they're eighteen. 01:38:00 Speaker 1: Well more needs to be done. Good on your mat there, thank you for that. Yes, I mean it is hard to believe that any reasonable parent unless they are under the influence of drugs or there's some issue happening. But if they are under the care of the minister, that is a different story. But then again more action needs to be taken. David, good morning, Good morning. 01:38:20 Speaker 20: Now I find it sad in my onsite part of my business, the number of clients who smoke, which are using illegal tobacco, because it's not obvious. At five hundred paces, we are plugging an entire new cohort of people into illegal activity. And the problem is at risk becoming a wedge where these behaviors become normalized. It can lead to other behaviors becoming normalized. And I'll this touch on your other thing. If the only reason you are going somewhere for Christmas is to outpresent the person sitting across the table from you, if it's all a matter, if you need to show up, really x YZ, please don't go. Donate the money you're going to spend to charity, stay at home, visit at nursing home. You can do something better with your time than sitting across trying to out achieved, because if you're only meeting these people once a year, it's a competition. They're not people you care about. 01:39:20 Speaker 1: Good on ya, David, that's good advice. If you have any Christmas advice, how to make that Christmas Day that's supposed to be special, maintain it's equilibrium, because so many times Christmases Christmas Days fall off the rails. Family feuds that that have, you know, welled up over the previous twelve months, all of a sudden they come out on the big day, which is the last thing you'd want. If you have any advice, give us a call. Eight double two three double o double O to Clemsy David, good. 01:39:48 Speaker 6: Morning, Oh hello Graham. 01:39:50 Speaker 10: Changing the subjects to local Council to development and building regulations. I live in a fairly new subdivision, so I'm still seeing how to be being built around me and yards being landscaped and with the new houses because the unfairly small blocks of land, they're very strict the percentage of the area of the land covered by the building. Once the building covers more than seventy percent of the area, you have to have

special rain water tanks and detention tanks because you don't get much, you're making more run off and there's not much land left for water to soak in, like gardens, lawns, things like that. So my house is a small house, that it's on a small block. So I had to get bigger water tanks and detention tanks because we didn't have much backyards. But I'm just watching the other houses around here. They've got bigger backyards and they've only got tiny little retention tanks and water tanks. But they're filling the whole backyard and concrete paving. And also they're offered filling the front yard and concrete paving. So they've got no. 01:41:00 Speaker 20: Spoken to the soil at all. 01:41:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the. 01:41:03 Speaker 10: Lords and as because they're not it's not working how they want it to work. 01:41:08 Speaker 1: So there should be oversight that you have to if you've got a certain area, I guess what are you going to do with it? Is it going to be exactly garden or. 01:41:16 Speaker 18: Concrete pervious layer. 01:41:18 Speaker 10: You should be impinged for a great big water tank and detention tank because you're you're contributing to all the massive runoff water nothing soaking into the ground. 01:41:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you make a good point. Good on you, David, Thanks for you call. My number is eight double two three double o double oh. In a moment, we're going to talk about how important it is to get enough rest. Do you get enough How many hours a night do you sleep? How many is enough for you? Some people need more, some people need less, some people need very little. Some of us need an amount that's just about right. We'll find out more about that after news headlines. Well, the nominations for the twenty twenty six Golden Globe Awards have been an unced will have a chat with movie analyst Shane A. Bassett about that short. On the text line, Catherine says, just driven through Glen Osmond Cross and Port Roch Roads intersection. What is happening with the upgrade? Last I heard the lights on cross road were being relocated only hearing crickets. Now do we need another accident? Thank you for that, Catherine. If anyone knows what is happening there, give us a call eight double two to three, double do double. 01:42:20 Speaker 2: Oh. 01:42:21 Speaker 1: How are you with your sleep? How are we with you? With your general activity? Well, I'm good with one, not so good with the other. Sleep is not an issue. Staying active well not so good. Well, there're two of the most important things we can do for our health, and the question is asked, are we doing enough? Flinda's University has conducted a study. Tell us about it? Flinder's UNI Professor Danny Eckert, Professor, good morning to you. As I just said, sleep is not an issue with me. I can get plenty of it and I'd drop off to sleep at the drop of a hat. Exercise and physical activity is not so good. So what does your research know. 01:43:01 Speaker 7: Well, you've correctly pointed out that these are you know, two fight and finally important pillars of health for optimal function and well being. And what we did here is we studied a bit of a seventy thousand people from around the planet and we put novel technology in their homes. We've built senses under naturis so that we can quantify their sleep as well as watches to measure their step count throughout the day. And what we found. We monitored these people for a bit over three years and we found indeed, there are those recommendations. Adults are recommended to slip tweeny seven to nine hours per night. And that sounds like that's great, no problems at all for you, their Graham. But the activity recommendations are you know, for optimal health and well being ideally eight thousand plus steps per day. And what we found is actually in the real world when we quantified and measure I have a long period of time, only about thirteen percent of people are able to hit both those targets on a regular basis, and somewhat alarmingly, about seventeen percent of people slept less than seven hours of night regularly and got less than five thousand steps a day. So which we know is you know, this combination is linked to higher rests of current disease wagain and mental health challenges and beyond. 01:44:27 Speaker 1: People when you talk about sleep, have all different ideas. I mean, the old story was, you know, eight hours sleep a night. You talk to some people, Oh six hours is enough for me. Someone will say, look if I don't get nine or ten hours, I'm just a zombie the next day. So is there an optimal time or is everybody different? 01:44:44 Speaker 7: Look, look, it's very true and hence the recommendations. There's quite a wide window. Seven to nine hours for adults is the recommended amount. And that is exactly because as you say, there is inter individual variability in how much people need to function optimally within that range. You know, when we go and ask that question, now that we've got this novel technology, we can actually measure how much people are getting and track it with various health outcomes. We know more and more that if you're inside that range when you answer that question, then your health outcomes are likely to be on average, much better than those that aren't sleeping enough, or indeed, actually those who sleep too much over that nine hour mark is associated with some adverse consequences as well, and that may be related to other health conditions that keep people in bed for longer. 01:45:37 Speaker 1: So you really can have too much sleep. 01:45:39 Speaker 7: Look on average, Yes, it would appear that some of these folks that are spending a long times in bed, and that kind of makes sense if you've got other chronic diseases or issues that are keeping you in bed for a long time, that might be a marker of your health as well. 01:45:54 Speaker 1: When it comes to getting a good night's sleep, and on a regulars, you having the optimal amount of sleep,

that's sleep that's right for you, and you're having the right amount of physical activity. Then you have a night where you have interrupted sleep. Instead of your normal six and a half seven hours, you get four. Is that likely to impact your level of activity the next day? 01:46:17 Speaker 7: Look absolutely, And what we found here is exactly that scenario that you highlighted. We found a very strong relationship. So on the nights that people were getting a good night's sleep, so they're getting enough sleep, and it was of good quality, so they're not restless in bed, having long periods of wake and this kind of thing, they were much more likely to get more steps the next day. Now, now, interestingly, we didn't see quite as a strong association in the other direction, because we know that certain types of activity can help you get deeper sleep and a good night's sleep, But in this global, real world data set, when we're just looking at step count here, we didn't actually see that having many more steps necessarily improved if you sleep on the next night. 01:47:01 Speaker 1: I don't know if your research would have covered it, but is there a sort of a difference between a physical tiredness and a mental tiredness and how it impacts your sleep? 01:47:10 Speaker 3: Yeah? 01:47:10 Speaker 7: Absolutely. And you know you mentioned that scenario of four hours. If you limit yourself to four hours or one night, well, actually, if you stay awake for nineteen hours in a row, then your performance is the equivalent of point zero five blood alcohol concentration. Really and if yeah, and if you stay awake for twenty four hours, it's more like point one, so you're legally intoxicated. So these has a very real next day effect on how we function and feel throughout the day, even just one night of acute sleep, loves. 01:47:45 Speaker 1: Is there any connection between sleep and activity in relation to age and sex? 01:47:52 Speaker 7: Look, there is, and we looked at that a little bit in our sample here, in this bit of a seventy thousand people, and as people aged, there was less step counts with increasing age, particularly over the age of sixty five and seventy and beyond. We also found that days of the week matter. Not surprisingly, people tend to be more active on weekends when they've got more time to do so. And of course, you know daylight saving. Now we've got longer days, people are more active when these longer days are around as well. 01:48:29 Speaker 1: People often say that the cause for their lack of sleep is lots of worries and things that trouble them. Arming them with this information, they're thinking, I don't know if I'm getting enough sleep, and I'm certainly not taking enough steps in the day. It's probably likely to make the problem worse, isn't it. 01:48:45 Speaker 7: Well, Look, and I guess that's part of what we were doing here. You know how realistic are these guidelines because it's you know, people's busy lives trying to you know, three

pillars of health exercise, diet, and sleep, and at any given point we're trying to balance these things to do best we can. And I guess what the message is here that if you want to try and also optimize those other two pillars of health being exercised and diet, what this study is telling us should start with sleep. Make sure you get a good regular sleep, get enough to allow enough time for sleep opportunity, and that will help you be more energized during the day to then be active and also make better food decisions. When we sleep deprived, we craved fattier, heavier food, unhealthy foods. It's actually linked to our biology. So sleep is the kind of fundamental first step to a happy, healthy life. 01:49:43 Speaker 1: I think this is a question that most of us would have experienced at some stage or another. You might be a regular sleeper and then all of a sudden, one night you just can't get to sleep, and you toss and turn and lay on the bed all night. Now, if you can't sleep at all, but just stay in the bed and run, is that of any benefit to you at all. 01:50:03 Speaker 7: Look and we will have stresses that come and go in our lives from time to time, or maybe there's some other physical ailment that makes it difficult to get a good night's sleep at a particular time. And this is not uncommon. So four out of ten Australians regularly have inadequate sleep. Now, this can be caused by a sleep disorder, whether it's insomnia just acutely as you've outlined, or more chronic and somiliar things like sleep apnea or other medical conditions, back pain, cancer, other medical issues that can make it uncomfortable and disrupt your sleep. And then of course we've got lifestyle choices twenty four hour Society. Seventeen percent of Australians are shift workers, which can make it very difficult to get a good night's sleep when your area. In fact, you might be trying to sleep during the day against your natural body clock, which can be difficult. So these are not uncommon challenges in today's busy world. But there are things you can do for many of those things, sleep disorders, lifestyle and so forth to try and optimize. And you know, if you are concerned about your sleep, absolutely reach out to your doctor, have a conversation, and thankfully in this country you've got fantastic sleep commissions that are there to help. 01:51:19 Speaker 1: I can speak personally of a night or two here and there where you lie in bed, looking at the roof, looking in the darkness, and you start to get angry because you can't go to sleep. Is it better do you get some sort of refreshment just lying in bed, or is it better to get up and sit down and start reading a book or do something. 01:51:34 Speaker 7: To occupy you mine The general advice is, and this comes into these concepts. If you might have heard about the concept of sleep hygiene. If you are staying awake in your bedroom, by that scenario that you just just outline, get better off. Actually after twenty minutes, if

you can't get to sleep, get up, do something else. You know, low light, you don't want alerting light, but maybe go and read a book or something that would relax you in another room, sit in the armchair, wait until you feel groggy, then go back into the bedroom and try again. Because what you don't want to do is feed into this pattern where the bedrooms associated with a lack of a sleep, and that can actually feed into this pattern of difficulty sleeping. So yeah, that's the advice to get up, do something in another area, and two you're still tired and go back and shry again. 01:52:23 Speaker 1: Great advice, Professor. 01:52:24 Speaker 7: Great to chat, Thank you so much, and sleep well. 01:52:28 Speaker 1: Professor Danny Eckertt from Flinder's University. How do you sleep? Do you sleep well? 01:52:34 Speaker 8: Oh? 01:52:34 Speaker 1: Dear from the text line, I get two hours sleep three if I'm lucky. It worked for Winston Churchill, Yes it did. He apparently was a very light sleeper. I can sort of get by in about six hours. Seven is pretty good for me. What works for you? 01:52:48 Speaker 2: Eight? 01:52:48 Speaker 1: Double two to three double O double oh is the number to ring. It's about sixteen minutes to twelve on five double A. Well are you interested in the Golden Globes? The nominations are out to tell us of the good news and the bad news, the snubs and surprises. Movie analyst chene A Bassett Chain, good morning to. 01:53:06 Speaker 28: You, Good morning and good morning everyone. 01:53:09 Speaker 1: So how are we looking Australia fearing? 01:53:12 Speaker 28: Well, Yeah, we've done really well and I'm not surprised. Rose Byrne in particular has always been a wonderful actor and I've been talking about this movie that I actually first saw at the Adelaide Film Festival. If I had legs, I'd kick you in the name of it. And she is absolutely magnificent in it. Heartbreaking, and she's been nominated for a Best Actress in a Comedy Musical category Golden Globes, they sort of they change it up a little bit to the Oscars, they have different categories. 01:53:43 Speaker 1: Rose Byrne is a great talent. Would be great to see her rewarded. 01:53:47 Speaker 28: Oh she'll be getting nominated for absolutely everything right through award season, that. 01:53:51 Speaker 2: Is for sure. 01:53:52 Speaker 1: What are the other highlights? 01:53:54 Speaker 28: Joel Egerton This is a little bit controversial because it's a Netflix movie called Train Dreams that he's in. Joel Edgerton is amazing always is another one of our OSSI actors that's done well both here and overseas. And Trained Dreams is a very tragic story but historic drama. And he's up for Best Actor, which is a tough category that he's in, but I'll say that I'm going to cheer for him all the way. 01:54:19 Speaker 1: And Jacob A. 01:54:20 Speaker 28: Laudie another OSSI actor Young Young Actor. He's been nominated for two two Awards, which is really cool actually a supporting award for Frankenstein. He plays the monster in another Netflix movie, Frankenstein. And also It's Got a Narrow Road to the Deep North, which was a series he was in too, So he's been nominated twice because the Golden Globes also put in television shows as part of their award ceremony. 01:54:48 Speaker 1: Any great surprises, I'd say not a surprise to me. 01:54:53 Speaker 28: But a lot of people are talking about Wicked for good, the second part of the Wicked movie not being nominated for anything really other than Cynthia Arrivo who's in the film as an acting award, so just her. I am a little bit surprised that there was a movie called Christie about a boxer, a female boxer true story that was really well acted by Sidney Sweeney in the lead role, and she wasn't nominated. But it's a tough category. I mean, the female category has got some really vigor to it, got some really good fellow competitors in there. So for Sidney Sweeney not to get nominated, I guess that's fair enough. There'll be a special award given to Helen Mirren on the night a Cecil Beta Millward, which is for basically a service to the industry recognition of decades of her work on screen and behind the scenes. So it'd be great to see Helen Mirren get the Special Award for the Night and another Ossie as a director Shannon Murphy. She got nominated too for a TV show called Dying for Sex which she I think she directed about six episodes of that series, which is on Disney Plus if you're interested. Terrific series comedy drama and Shannon Murphy. Ye, another Aussie flying our flag on the Night which is not until January, but I'll be counting down the days. 01:56:14 Speaker 1: Australian's very well represented. So who votes on the Golden Globe Shane. 01:56:19 Speaker 28: Yeah, it's a foreign conglomerate. So they've changed up a little bit lately in the last few years because they were very much scrutinized for not having enough diversity in their ranks. So it's foreign media basically. But it used to be just foreign media that worked out of Hollywood and the US, but now it's foreign media from all around the world, so it's veterans and it's new people, so a lot of different countries and age demographics are represented. So yeah, it's the foreign media, whereas the Academy Awards is different. You've got to be a member of the Academy to vote for them. 01:56:53 Speaker 1: Brilliant, Good on your Shane, thanks for time nowhere is it all? 01:56:56 Speaker 2: Both for now? 01:56:56 Speaker 1: Movie analyst Shane A. Bassett on the upcoming allth not not till January Golden Globe nominations. Australians well represented. Roseburn, I think is just a wonderful talent, as is Joel Egerton. So Ossies have done well. We'll wait and see how the poll come. Golden Globe date in January. Back shortly a twelve five double A coming up after one. It's Leith Forrest to cycle into the studio. Good morning. Are you a fan of e bikes? Of you used above skirters? 01:57:25 Speaker 25: Ridden one? 01:57:25 Speaker 8:

Oh? 01:57:25 Speaker 1: I think i'd like to. 01:57:26 Speaker 25: I've never ridden a scooter either these ones around town? 01:57:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I did. I went to a function and it was near I was what's the restaurant on the on the water on the Jolly's Boathouse? Jolie's Boathouse, And I had to get back here to five double A in a limited time. And I'd never used an e scooter and I thought I'm not going to make it because I'd parked my car. Let my car here, so I looked, Oh, there's an e scooter. 01:57:52 Speaker 2: What do you do? 01:57:52 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, to download the Apple there's going to be a took very little time, and off I went and I reckon It took me. Wow, God, his thought four or five minutes tops, And I thought, this is really good. 01:58:03 Speaker 25: I'm not sure what would be more exciting seeing Oprah Winfrey walk up and down Mount Lufty or Graham Goodings riding an es scooter through the streets of Adelaide. I will take both. 01:58:11 Speaker 1: I got some looks, I got some looks. 01:58:13 Speaker 25: To wear the helmet, of course? 01:58:15 Speaker 2: Will you have to do? 01:58:16 Speaker 8: You have to? 01:58:16 Speaker 1: Nobody does though, Well, it's mandatory, you know, in fact, And that was going to lead me to my question. Do you think that bikes and escooters and e bikes should have number plates so they can identify it? Absolutely, there's a push in New South Wales to do just that because the accidents. I mean there were fourteen thousand people around the state of hospitalized due to e bike and escooter accidents in the past year. 01:58:38 Speaker 25: Even just driving in today to work, there's a couple of cyclists who just pulled the most ridiculous moves you've ever seen on the road, and you have no way of identifying that. 01:58:47 Speaker 1: Pick exactly, and you're sitting at the light. This is what really gets up my nose is sitting at the lights because they're red and when the light goes read on the opposing cross road you can see that, Oh, now I'll go. And they just ride straight across against the red light. 01:59:03 Speaker 25: Yeah, or other side of the road, through roadworks, onto the footpath to get around and then go. 01:59:10 Speaker 1: And as soon as you start talking about that, you get the bike lovers saying, oh, you're just knocking us. We're not polluting the atmosphere, we're not doing this and that and the other. And that's fine for the majority of bike riders are scooters and e bike riders that do the right thing, but there's enough of them out there that really annoying. 01:59:27 Speaker 25: No, I'm with you one hundred percent. I think it should be done. I even think there needs to be a way that we can somehow monitor the scooters too from the city point of view, in terms of the rentals. As I say, most don't wear helmets. Most I saw it during the race wrong side of the road. Two people on the same scooter, there's no way to identify that, and you don't want to be the Karen who dobs on everyone. But it would be nice to say, hey, this person's endangering himself and others. 01:59:51 Speaker 1: But if they had a number plate and the registration plate, then you could see that and just report that. 01:59:56 Speaker 13: Yep. 01:59:57 Speaker 1: And of course they have timing and all of them they know exactly who was riding the bike at that time. 02:00:01 Speaker 8: Ye. 02:00:02 Speaker 1: But I mean English cricketers were correct riding e bikes without helmets. 02:00:06 Speaker 25: And it was possibly the worst apology I've ever heard from. They didn't really come out and say, sorry, we did the wrong thing. You know what, we make a lot of money. Here's one hundred and eighty dollars for us not wearing helmets. It's like, well, you know, during COVID we were stuck in our hotel rooms and that wasn't good for our mental health. So we need to get out and about. 02:00:21 Speaker 1: And it's just not just but it would have been a good pr exercise because they can't play cricket. 02:00:27 Speaker 25: No, well, gee, how good was the last fifteen minutes? 02:00:31 Speaker 19: Though? 02:00:31 Speaker 25: Like if that can be brought into the Adelaide test Imagine session one day one if England bowl Ozzi's lose a couple early and it's Joffra Archer and Steve Smith again here in Adelaide, that would be I've. 02:00:43 Speaker 1: Seen Steve Smith act like that before. 02:00:44 Speaker 25: Now it seems crazy. 02:00:45 Speaker 1: I yeh did something. He must have had drunk the kool aid or something, but he was fired up. He was so good. 02:00:52 Speaker 25: So that's all to come A big show on the way this afternoon. We're going to talk about everything from the wait for medical devices and technologies Australia is lagging behind the rest of the world. Well it's a four and a half year wait for some of these things, so we'll speak to a leading cardiologist about that. Travel. Because it's a Tuesday, I always love to catch up with a team from PhD and we've got two musical specials for you today. Love Actually you're a fan of those. 02:01:18 Speaker 8: Ah. 02:01:18 Speaker 1: Look, I'm not into rom coms and I'm not into Christmas movies at all. Yeah, some sensing Love Actually, I reckon that's great, and that's one I don't watch movies over and over, but I've watched that probably three or four times. 02:01:32 Speaker 25: I'm with you. I think it's the greatest Christmas film there is. So they're doing an orchestrated version of that in Adelaide in a couple of weeks time. So we'll speak to the host of that, and also a very special treat for you. I'm not sure if you're the carooning type. Do you like a nice big voice? 02:01:46 Speaker 1: Oh, Frank Sinatra, there you go, nacking cold global sensation. 02:01:50 Speaker 25: Patrizzio is in town tonight and he's going to be on the show today because he's performing at the Adelaide Entertainment Center. This is a man who sold over twenty million hours. He's France and from Austria, but he can speak about nine different languages. He will croon us tonight, Graham, have a listened to this. Even if you don't understand it, you still like it. 02:02:26 Speaker 1: It's something about something about singing in Italian and well a lot of Spanish and so forth. It really, you know, stirs raises the here on the back of your. 02:02:39 Speaker 25: The exciting, slash terrifying part of Patricio today, though, is he's coming in during the live stream and he and I are two years apart, so it's going to look very bad for me because it's ah, why is that there's the before and there's the after. Here's what happens when you look after yourself, this handsome international global star, and here's what happened when you too many bags. 02:03:00 Speaker 1: You're being very unkind, So I'll be tuning in. 02:03:03 Speaker 25: I'm somehow going to try and work out how to pixelate my own face. So that's going to be a bit of fun. All that more after one brilliant good on you, thanks for that lead. And yeah, that's just about it for us today. Thank you so much for your company. We'll be back tomorrow and do it all again. 02:03:21 Speaker 3: To sosteners