Full Transcript for FIVEAA Mornings with Graeme Goodings - 14 October 2026

infrastructure and the area is growing faster than it can handle? 00:05:57 Speaker 4: It is. It's highlighting that for decades now, that when local areas such as Angervale, Virginia, Andrews Farm, Manapurra West, when they were rezoned, a framework in relation to how tiers of government would fund the necessary upgrades. So going from farming to an urban standard has failed. It's failed across the city of Playford. And the city of Playford is experiencing 10 new people moving in each and every day. So when you look at that over 20 years, we could be transitioning from about 116,000 people to 184,000. I mean, those. 00:06:39 Speaker 2: Numbers are quite stunning. I'm reminded, as you were telling me that, of the growth at Mount Barker that's gone ahead dramatically and the infrastructure is trying to catch up. It seems this sort of thing, it sounds like the government hasn't learned its lesson and they're falling for the same trap. 00:06:55 Speaker 5: Sure. 00:06:56 Speaker 4: Correct. They haven't learned. What's happening in the north is spot on to what has been experienced and probably continues to happen in the south. Infrastructure has not kept pace with population growth. The growth funding has failed to deliver projects on time. Infrastructure timelines have been driven by government priorities rather than the actual population demand. And with delays comes cost increase to when everyone's ready to move forward with projects. You know, we've got government agencies, utility providers and council are often not aligned in their project delivery. And I don't understand why we're still at that point in 2026. And what really happens is residents want infrastructure delivered before growth starts. You know, I do commend that there could be some changes in future growth areas that are being rezoned in the state where we've got infrastructure schemes. But what we are not addressing right now is the growth areas that have been growing for the last 15 to 20 years. We need to make change to how we allocate funding and deliver it. We are at a bottleneck. 00:08:13 Speaker 2: What are the major areas of concern? What areas of infrastructure have lapsed or just haven't even been taken up at all? 00:08:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, so the big one is local roads turning into major arterial roads, so Curtis Road, where now all congestion on an east-west connection is now at bottleneck. We've got local roads that were of a rural setting, so open drainage, who now, with population growth coming in, we've got Heathlip Road in Anglevale that doesn't have stormwater drainage, doesn't have appropriate lighting or footpath connections. We have the off ramps on the Northern Expressway. So where the singular off ramp of 110 kilometre highway was okay 15 years ago, today we are now seeing people queuing the full length of an off ramp and then flowing onto the highway itself at 110 kilometre speed limit. 00:09:14 Speaker 2: And it's only going to get worse. 00:09:16 Speaker 4:

And it's only getting worse. 00:09:17 Speaker 6: It is. 00:09:18 Speaker 4: We've got the new deep maintenance facility off of Wommer Road, which is great for job creation. But what's now happening at the intersection of Heathlip Road and Wommer Road is the state government has put in AI cameras that now hold the flow of traffic that go over the overpass so that the congestion that has been built on the off ramps can freely flow forwards. Now, you will probably ask what happens. Every other local road then connects to the roundabout is then bottlenecked. So as a result of addressing one road, we now have three other roads that come to standstill. 00:10:02 Speaker 2: So you're addressing your concerns with this petition. What would you like to see happen? What would you expect to see happen? 00:10:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I back this because this is historical. We've never had something like this before where the residents have taken it upon themselves to drive a message straight to Parliament. What I want to see in my capacity as a councillor is that there is an address. We address the short-term issues and that we have project alignment from all tiers of government and departments. We have a funding model that is not determined by the parliamentarians today. It's outlined and it's in line with growth. So what I'm asking for is we've got a number of concept plans that are sitting with the Department for Infrastructure and Transport, for Curtis Road, for Heaslip Road. Let's get them to council. Let's get them out to the community. Let's show whole-of-road solutions, not small bites, whole-of-road solutions, and let's tell the community that the three tiers of government are delivering this, and it's okay to have a staged approach, but we need to get those plans out, and we need to get on with funding it. So what am I asking for? Address those off-ramps myself. The petition's obviously asking for Heathlip Road to be urbanised. need to get on. And I think now the appetite of the community right now is it's all right to acknowledge that there are growing pains in the north. It's okay to acknowledge this system has failed. All they want is honesty and pure, raw emotions from people to say, we haven't done this right. Let's get on with delivering the infrastructure and we're going to do it now. 00:11:42 Speaker 2: Good luck with your petition. That's Clint Marsh, City of Playford councillor. If you have a comment, love to hear it. 8223 0000. Back shortly. 00:11:50 Speaker 7: 5AA Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:12:00 Speaker 2: 25 past nine, 5AA. Reminder, we'll be speaking with the new head of SA Health, Dr. Robin Lindsay, after 9.30 this morning. If you have any questions you'd like me to ask the doctor, give us a call now, 8223 0000. I have a question for you. How many rate hikes before Jim Chalmers finally pays the price? Australia stares down a possible fifth rise this year. The cash rate already sits at 4.6%. The November hike is very much on the

table. Core inflation clings at 3.6%. Households are bleeding. Mortgages are climbing. And still, Chalmers shrugs and blames everyone else. The Reserve Bank's September minutes cut through the spin. The RBA says upward surprise in inflation stems from domestic capacity pressures, not the Iran oil spike that Chalmers keeps blaming. It's a fresh dig at Dr Chalmers, whose public spending splurge has jumped 32% since the Albanese government came into power in 2022. Inflation was accelerating in late 2025, long before energy prices jumped. RBA data shows fuel costs barely feed into border prices. The real drivers sit at home. Public spending has surged 32% since Labor took power. The RBA says productivity remains anemic. The bank said it plainly. Supply is choked by our own dysfunction. Chalmers points offshore. The RBA points at Canberra. Now, the IMF numbers sting harder. So it's not just opposition parties and taxpayers pointing the finger at the Treasury. The International Monetary Fund has taken a look at Australia. Doesn't like what it sees. The IMF predicts Australia will suffer the biggest unemployment rise in the developed world next year, jumping to 4.7%, downgrading economic growth to 1.6%, inflation reaching 3.9% before falling back to 3.1%, which is still above the Reserve Bank's target range. So, in light of the IMF figures, does the Treasurer finally admit he's out of control, out of his depth? He's driving up inflation and interest rates? No way. In Parliament yesterday, he said, A lot of our work in the four and a half years we've been in office has been to clean up the mess that Josh Frydenberg and the coalition left behind. So here is a treasurer in denial, not even smart enough to take advice, reassess and do what's best for the country. So just how long will the PM go on with the albatross of Jim Chalmers hanging around his neck? I'd like to know your thoughts. 8223 0000. Let's take a call. Mike, good morning. 00:14:30 Speaker 8: Oh, good morning. 00:14:30 Speaker 9: Gentlemen, regarding the infrastructure to the north. 00:14:33 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:14:34 Speaker 9: I remember when my parents in about 1970 bought a property in Salisbury Downs. And the infrastructure then was power and the sewerage was on. But it wasn't until two or three years after we moved in that they actually put the road system in and the gutters. 00:14:51 Speaker 8: Et cetera. 00:14:51 Speaker 9: So they just sort of watered the roads down and got us in the homes. And, you know, we lived with it. But, you know, now they want all this infrastructure done prior to the move in, which is all well and good if you've got the manpower to do it. The other thing is when they talk about these roads sort of like these big traffic jams, et cetera, they don't forward think in this country. I mean, they build expressways with two lanes each way, and they're already chock-a-block by the time they open them. What they should be doing is building three or four-lane expressways and thinking of the future, which they never do in this country. 00:15:26 Speaker 2: Short-term thinking, Mike. I think all governments, of all persuasions, look to the next election. They don't say, what do we need in 5, 10 years, 15 years into the future? They're thinking, what do we need to do now to get voted next time around? 00:15:39 Speaker 9: You're right on the money. 00:15:41 Speaker 2: Good on you, Mike. Thanks for your call. Sorry, make another point? No, Mike, go on. Barry says, Curtis Road, an absolute shambles, so much so that I now travel to Bunnings at Parrafield rather than Munno Parra because of the congestion. My journey is longer distance, shorter time. Andrew says it's ridiculous funding $ 100 million to put an Australian astronaut into space when we have so many issues that are more of a priority. How about putting it to fixing our deteriorating roads, health, aged care, housing, etc.? It's Albo wanting state governments to fund this. States should push back and keep that money for more important priorities. We're going to take a break for news headlines, then after that, joining me in the studio is Dr Robin Lindsay, the new Health SA Chief. 00:16:28 Speaker 7: 5AA Mornings with Graeme Goodies. 00:16:35 Speaker 2: 28 minutes to 10, 5AA on this Wednesday morning. Well, joining me now in the studio is the new head, the Department for Health and Wellbeing, Robyn Lindsay. Robyn, good morning to you. Thanks for joining us. 00:16:44 Speaker 1: Good morning. 00:16:46 Speaker 2: Congratulations, firstly, on your appointment. 00:16:47 Speaker 10: Thank you very much. 00:16:48 Speaker 2: You've got a big job ahead of you. 00:16:49 Speaker 3: I have. 00:16:50 Speaker 11: I have. 00:16:51 Speaker 10: Looking forward to it. 00:16:51 Speaker 12: I understand it's both a great privilege and comes with a lot of responsibilities. 00:16:55 Speaker 2: Now, before we talk about some of the things that need to be done, background us, what's your history? 00:17:00 Speaker 10: Yeah, thank you, Graeme. 00:17:01 Speaker 12: I've been with SA Health since last May, so 15, 16 months, where I've been a Deputy Chief Executive. My portfolio has been focused on clinical systems. Prior to that, I've spent most of my working life in public health in Victoria. So I've been Chief Operating Officer of large hospitals, so about the size of Lyle Mack and CEO of medium-sized hospitals, so more sort of Mount Gambier size. My clinical background is I'm a physiotherapist by background, so I did 10 or 15 years of clinical work in public hospitals before taking on managerial and leadership jobs. 00:17:36 Speaker 2: All right, down to business then. Chronic ambulance ramping, emergency department overcrowding, aged care bed shortages, hospital infrastructure failures. Where do you start? 00:17:45 Speaker 10: Yeah, thank you. 00:17:47 Speaker 12: There are some really significant challenges and access being right at the top of the list, but I'd like to

start by acknowledging that that Australia in fact has a world-class health system and that includes South Australia. There's many things that go very, very well and particularly our safety and quality outcomes. 00:18:06 Speaker 10: In the main, a vast. 00:18:07 Speaker 12: Majority of patients have a very good experience, but the access challenges are very, very real. And as of this week, we have nearly 500 older South Australians who unfortunately, are living the latter part of their lives in hospital or hospital-like facilities. And that's both not an outcome we would want for them as individuals, but also puts great pressure on the system in reducing the capacity for us to be able to admit in a really timely way people who need emergency care and elective surgery. So we're obviously working with the Commonwealth Government to try and stimulate growth in the residential aged care sector, while at the same time, we need to reform some of our systems to manage that demand. 00:18:51 Speaker 2: So what is your single biggest challenge and what are you going to do about it? 00:18:54 Speaker 12: Yeah, the single biggest challenge is access. As I said, in many other domains, we're performing extremely well. So in terms of what I'm going to do about it, I'm very grateful and acknowledge the capacity that's been put into the system over the past few years. So the additional 700 beds, the additional 4,000 staff has been very much needed, and we will need to continue to add some capacity to the system, but we also need to think about doing things differently. And one of the things at the top of the list is support people to get the right care at the right place at. 00:19:29 Speaker 10: The right time. 00:19:29 Speaker 12: Our health system is quite tricky and complicated, and particularly for people when they're unwell or they've got an unwell family member, where to get care in that moment can often be quite overwhelming. 00:19:41 Speaker 10: And encouraging people to. 00:19:42 Speaker 12: Seek care at a slightly earlier stage before they require an emergency department visit. 00:19:47 Speaker 10: We will never turn anyone away. That's one of the big challenges. of emergency care. 00:19:52 Speaker 12: But we think there are some opportunities for people to be accessing environments such as urgent care centres for mental health support, pharmacies, GPs, virtual care, 1800 Medicare, but they've got to know when to do it. So better supporting them to navigate through the health system. Apart from that, there's a great opportunity for some of our smaller, medium-sized hospitals in the regional and rural areas to increase their capacity and capability to care for their local communities, which they do a great job of now. They're often the real beating heart of the rural and regional communities, but supporting them to take that next step up so people either don't unnecessarily need to come into the city to receive care or can go back more quickly after they've received care in a large hospital area. 00:20:38 Speaker 10: In the city. 00:20:38 Speaker 12: So working with them to try and support them to do that. And in part, that will be supported by emerging digital health technologies, better use of virtual care, and the safe application of AI. 00:20:51 Speaker 2: People will say, you know, talk is cheap. And we've had the minister and the former person in your position saying, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. And nothing has appreciably changed. Can you guarantee that things will get better? 00:21:04 Speaker 12: I can guarantee that we will do our absolute best to try and reduce particularly some of the challenges with access to care. I think some things have got better and certainly the community response times for ambulances have significantly improved. And for those people who ring an ambulance who are our sickest community members, that's been very stable now for a period of time at a good level. So our priority one ambulance response time. So that has improved. Obviously, ramping has deteriorated in alignment with the increase in demand and some of the system pressures we have with aged care. So we're determined to continue to reduce ramping. 00:21:45 Speaker 2: Reducing ramping, this is the area of greatest concern, I think, for people because this government came to power saying, we will fix ramping. And as you've admitted, ramping is worse than it's ever been. So where is the change coming from? Is it more money that needs to be thrown at it? 00:22:00 Speaker 12: No, look, I think there's been a lot of capacity put into the system and we will need some more capacity whilst we still have nearly 500 patients awaiting an aged care home placement. So we are needing to think differently about the way we use other environments to support those people so we can, first of all, free up that capacity for emergency and elective surgery, but also so those people are in a better environment for them to live. So there is some capacity challenges, but it's also about doing things differently. And as I said before, really thinking about how we reform the system, how our regional and rural hospitals play their really important role in supporting the statewide system and how we use emerging technologies to reform some of our care models. 00:22:46 Speaker 2: How will you ensure that decisions made at the executive level translate into tangible improvements for patients, frontline staff and local communities? 00:22:53 Speaker 12: Yeah, look, I think it's extremely important that not only I, but all people in senior leadership roles, both in the department but within the LHN, stay very connected to what's occurring on the ground. We also are very grateful for the collaborative relationship we have with associations and unions who provide some great insights from their members to make sure that what we think is going on is actually going on. 00:23:19 Speaker 2: What about staff burnout? I

mean, we hear, you know, for ED staff and the like that they're working longer hours shorter breaks, you know, they're a breaking point. 00:23:30 Speaker 12: Well, first of all, going back to acknowledge that our teams provide absolutely world-class care. And I do understand that it is part of my role to make sure that they have the resources and the environments that they need to provide the type of care that they want to do. 00:23:45 Speaker 10: I understand it can be very overwhelming. 00:23:48 Speaker 12: For example, if you're a junior clinician and you have a list of patients you need to see on the ward today and you just know you're not going to be able to get to them all, that that takes, you know, that is really tough. But that's our goal is to make sure that we set up systems and we set up an environment in which people can provide the care that they need to and that we also look after those staff while they do that. So making sure they get the breaks that they need, making sure that they feel like they've done a good day's work when they go home at night. 00:24:17 Speaker 2: Emergency department presentations appear to be growing much faster than the population. Why is that and what can you do about it? 00:24:23 Speaker 10: Yeah, look, it is a complex dynamic. 00:24:25 Speaker 12: We obviously have an ageing population across Australia, but also particularly in South Australia. We've got medical technologies, we've got drugs that mean that people are now living a lot longer, but also living with a lot of comorbidity. So that requires that they seek medical attention. I think there's a dynamic that we need to improve with the interface with primary care. So making sure that people can access a GP in a timely way, access 1800 Medicare if they need advice from a registered nurse as to where to go. So that is some of the impact. But most of the people who attend an emergency department do need to be there. And that demand is in part due to the increase in the ageing population, but also the increase in prevalence of mental health. 00:25:12 Speaker 2: There's no question that a lot of the issues with ramping and shortages are caused by aged care issues and the fact that that's a shortage. That is funded by the federal government. I know the state government's quite to do a lot, but is there anything more that can be done in that area? 00:25:27 Speaker 12: Oh, look, we're leaving no stone unturned. I think, as you mentioned, the state government have put in place $ 250 million of interest-free loans to try and stimulate an increase in residential aged care infrastructure, make some changes to planning to make sure that we reduce any speed bumps to that development. We regularly meet with the aged care sector to hear from them directly about what more we could do. 00:25:51 Speaker 10: And I'm personally involved in a. 00:25:54 Speaker 12: Task force of all of the CEs across the states and territories to look at hospital discharge and what we

can do to try and improve that interface. So we will continue to leave no stone unturned to make sure older South Australians are cared for in the right place. 00:26:10 Speaker 2: Just received a text from Gary who says, Hi, Graham. My 89-year-old father, who was totally independent at home before a fall nine weeks ago, spent six weeks in Flinders before being sent to the Pullman. where he has languished waiting for a rehabilitation bed. No communication, and he has gone backward, incredibly frustrating and disappointing. 00:26:28 Speaker 12: Yeah, look, I'm very sorry, first of all, Gary, to hear about your father's fall. We are managing a lot of demand related to older people and levels of fragility, and we want to give older South Australians every opportunity to engage in an active rehabilitation process to make sure that they get back to being as independent as they possibly can be. 00:26:53 Speaker 10: I know he'll be being well cared for at the Pullman, but. 00:26:56 Speaker 12: I also understand that ambiguity of waiting and not knowing what the next step is must be very difficult. 00:27:03 Speaker 2: I think to Tracy, everything you've said, I mean, there has to be a long-term vision for South Australia's health system. We've heard these stories before. I think it's fair to say they haven't delivered. What can you do to ensure us that your vision will be delivered? 00:27:18 Speaker 12: Yeah, look, and I have got two jobs that I need to manage in parallel, and that is keeping an eye on the medium to longer term vision. So we are doing some planning, a 10-year plan for clinical services that will provide us with a roadmap on which we can then plan for the infrastructure and the capacity and the workforce that we need. So we certainly are taking a medium and longer term vision approach. to ensuring we have the resources aligned to meet future demand, as well as very much taking a day-by-day approach and leaving no stone unturned to ensure that we improve right now. 00:27:55 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for dropping by. You've got a huge job ahead of you, and we all wish you well in the future. 00:27:59 Speaker 10: Thank you very much, Graeme. 00:28:00 Speaker 2: Robin Lindsay, SA Health CEO, and answering your questions. 8223 0000 is the number. Back shortly. 00:28:09 Speaker 1: 5AA Mornings with Graeme Goodings. 00:28:11 Speaker 2: 13 to 10, 5AA. Looking at the stock market, the All Ords is down 26 points. ASX down 31. The Dow Jones closed overnight down 180. The NASDAQ down 41. Brent Crude, $ 105. 69 US a barrel. West Texas Crude, $ 97. 53 US a barrel. Gold, currently US $ 4, 161 an ounce. The Aussie dollar, steady on US $ 0. 69. Let's take a call. Barry, good morning. 00:28:46 Speaker 13: Good morning, Graeme. How are you going? 00:28:48 Speaker 2: Good, thanks. 00:28:49 Speaker 13: Mate, I came in on the second half of that conversation you were having with the lady about the health and so on. 00:28:55 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:28:56 Speaker 13: Mate, I'm a veteran and I run a veterans group and we work Australia-wide, but I'm having a real problem at the moment in South Australia with veterans who... more in the outer suburban and country areas, trying to locate a doctor, say a medical centre will close down or something like that, or the doctor will move on. And that means that they're having a real problem with finding a new doctor, having to sort of go further into other towns and areas like that. And it does affect the people trying to sort of get service and support and that sort of thing, And I thought I'd ask this lady about this because not only does it just affect them not being able to find a doctor, but I've had a number of cases lately with blokes who go to a doctor and the doctor says, yeah, well, I'll send you a report and that sort of thing. they ring up and say, look, you know, I haven't got that report. Can you help me? Yeah, you'll have to come in for another appointment. And, you know, when they're sort of using their, say, white card or gold card or whatever, it does mount up. And they do run into sort of problems about saying, how come, you know, they'll get looked at by saying, by the department saying, well, you know, he's using these cards all the time. What's going on? Well, it's lack of support, lack of, excuse me, lack of service and lack of support, being able to find the lack of support that's causing all these things, you know, the distress overall isn't good. 00:30:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I can understand the frustration, but I tell you what, that's borne out by people dealing with the medicos at all levels. I mean, just people trying to find a GP. I mean, a lot of GPs have, you know, ruled the books and said, that's it, unless you're an existing client, we can't see you. 00:30:50 Speaker 13: But more in the, I'm finding it more in the rural areas. 00:30:53 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:30:54 Speaker 13: And having the, you know, Blake's having one in particular is Peterborough. You know, they have to go across to Jamestown or Oru or somewhere like that or even to Pirrie to get some sort of support. You know, that's, no, it's just a concern, mate. And I just thought I'd ask the question while she was there. 00:31:10 Speaker 2: That was all. Yeah, unfortunately, she has gone. Have you approached your local member about it? 00:31:15 Speaker 3: Oh, no, not yet. 00:31:17 Speaker 14: Not yet. 00:31:17 Speaker 13: I just spend my time trying to get support for these blokes. 00:31:23 Speaker 2: I understand your frustration, Barry, and I'm sorry, I don't quite know. 00:31:27 Speaker 13: No, look, there's probably no real answer to it, Graeme. It's just, you know, it's something that's going to have a work on, that's all. 00:31:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good on you, Barry. Look, you need to speak out about it. Approach your local member. Approach the health minister. Approach the new CEO of the health department. I mean, you know, constant knocking, you know, the the

squeaky wheel gets the most oil. But yeah, understand your pain, understand your frustration most definitely. 5AA, good morning to you. Well, the quest is on to raise $ 100 million to send astronaut Catherine Benel Pegg into space. Joining us now, regular guest, Dr. Brad Tucker, a new astrophysicist and cosmologist. Doctor, good morning to you. 00:32:06 Speaker 7: How's it going, Graeme? 00:32:07 Speaker 2: Oh, well, thanks. So what are your thoughts? Should we send an Aussie into space? 00:32:11 Speaker 15: Look, there's a lot of reasons for it. Obviously, I'm in the pro camp. I think there's also good reasons to discuss the value in spending with the money. Those are all valid arguments. I think it's kind of just reality, though, that the federal government just doesn't seem to want to commit. It's good that they've actually said they'll come up with a decision, and that's partially probably because Europe's pushing them to come up with a decision. But this is the reality we kind of face with a lot of federal funding for kind of science and research and development, that it kind of falls by the wayside and is more of an afterthought. And this seems to be, so far, the case. Hopefully I'm proving it wrong, but it's been the case with trying to get Catherine up in space. 00:32:56 Speaker 2: So how do they arrive at the figure? Who's saying it'll cost you $ 100 million to get your person into space? Who decides that? 00:33:03 Speaker 15: Yeah, so this is really the cost that ESA has to pay for the rocket ride, the food. It's pretty much, you know, this is the room and board cost for being an astronaut, right? How these numbers are figured out. And so you have to supply food to the space station. 00:33:25 Speaker 16: You have to supply work. 00:33:25 Speaker 17: To, you know, like, equipment and food. 00:33:33 Speaker 15: You have the rockets that get up there. You have the equipment up there. So there's a lot of different aspects that you have to do in order to operate as an astronaut in space. That's kind of like the cost recovery charge that NASA or Europe or whoever would have to pay. 00:33:54 Speaker 2: Is it because Catherine Benel Pegg isn't part of the US system or European system? where if your country is involved already, you don't pay up front? 00:34:06 Speaker 18: Correct. 00:34:06 Speaker 15: You don't pay up front, but they pay money federally-wise to chip in, right? So the US, the government gives NASA a grant and an allocation of federal budget, and that's how many emissions they can afford. Europe, every country actually chips into the pot annually. And that's how they get that money back. So we are paying that cost because we are not one of those members. And they're not going to use essentially 60 US million of their dollars to cover our costs for free. 00:34:40 Speaker 2: So from your point of view as an astrophysicist, money well spent? 00:34:45 Speaker 15: Yes, because one of the things that gets lost a bit in the discussion, it's not just about Catherine being the first Australian astronaut. Trained astronaut. It's actually all the research and projects she kind of gets to do as an Australian astronaut. When Andy Thomas has gone off or Paul Scully-Tower, they had to be Americans, and then they had to do American work, if that makes sense. The research, the projects, nasty as it sounds. if that's our seat, that's our project, Australia gets to do it. And the International Space Station is our giant space lab. And, you know, otherwise we have to pay for these experiments and that sort of thing. So it does benefit more than just one individual person. 00:35:38 Speaker 19: There's a lot of different things. 00:35:39 Speaker 15: You know, astronauts also spend, you know, an example, a good amount of time, they do the video calls and experiments for school kids, she'll be doing that for Australia, right? You know, she won't be calling American schools, she'll be calling Australian schools. There's a lot of stuff like that which propagates from one single person to thousands, if not more people. 00:35:59 Speaker 2: Well, it'll be interesting to see if the governments and the public stump up the money. We'll just have to wait and see. 00:36:04 Speaker 15: Exactly, we will. And I hope they do, and I know they're trying, and there's been a lot of private push. 00:36:10 Speaker 2: And, you know, I. 00:36:12 Speaker 15: We really don't get another chance at this. With International Space Station retiring in a few years' time and Europe having quite limited seats because Europe is a smaller partner in the International Space Station, it's pretty much a one-time offer. 00:36:27 Speaker 7: It doesn't happen. 00:36:28 Speaker 15: We don't get it again. 00:36:29 Speaker 2: Brad, always great to chat. Thanks for your time today. 00:36:31 Speaker 1: Dr. 00:36:32 Speaker 2: Brad Tucker, ANU astrophysicist and cosmologist, who's very much in favor of sending Catherine Benel-Pegg into space. Your thoughts, love to hear them. Are you happy to see your taxpayer dollars go in that direction? I don't know. I'm not so sure. The more I think about it, as I said, driving through the city the other day and seeing a homeless man in Hyde Street living in a doorway, and he's been there for a couple of weeks, and before him there were others, lots of people doing it really tough. $ 100 million? Could we spend it better? I'd like to know your thoughts. 00:37:05 Speaker 3: 8223 0000. 00:37:05 Speaker 2: Give us a call now. On the text line, Maddy says, nothing urgent about the urgent health clinic. 2pm, two patients ahead of me and I wasn't seen till 5.30. I had no choice but to wait as it was urgent. This was at the Norwood Parade Clinic and the doctor's knowledge for the condition was less than average. This government cannot manage our health system. Thank you for that. And Bell says, hi, Granbury, hospitals admission. A way we can reduce admissions and decrease the ambulance responses is if mental

health patients are not taken to emergency hospitals immediately. They do not belong in mainstream hospitals, but in specialised facilities with special support. Attend emergency on any given day or night. See how many people ambulances have had to transport to hospital. We need to do better. Thank you for that, Bill. And Graham, none of these infrastructure demand issues will be resolved until we fix the migration problem. Thank you for that. Nick, good morning. 00:37:59 Speaker 18: Morning, Graham. Albanese to the Spice on one night ticket. 00:38:04 Speaker 2: Ha ha. You don't think Catherine Benelpig, it should be Albo on the space shuttle? 00:38:10 Speaker 18: Yes, set him up there and talk it over with him. Listen, that lady, the new CEO for health, she's very clever. Very highly educated lady. She'd be good for lying. Next time when you interview her, can you ask her to go and sit at Flitters Medical Center for 10 minutes in the emergency entrance? Yes. 00:38:32 Speaker 2: Well, that's probably a good idea, Nick. I know you're saying you've complained about this before, but I think, I wonder when the last time a senior health official actually experienced what you were talking about, you know, going and actually sitting in an emergency department. It's all well and good sitting in your ivory tower office and getting reports, but I'm not suggesting, and maybe Rob and Lindsay might think that's a good idea and do it, but to see firsthand exactly what what patients are putting up with, what staff are having to put up with, what first responders are having to put up with. I've often told the story that Bob Ansett, who ran Budget Rent-A-Car, demanded of his staff that each and every, at least once a month, they had to be on the front desk. And he did it himself. He was the head of Budget Rent-A-Car Australia. And at least once a month, he would spend the day in the front office seeing and dealing with customers firsthand. He said it was the way to learn the business. Kay says, the money for our astronaut to go into space doesn't seem as much when you remember there's enough money to give another country $ 600 million to play a ball game. Kay, Kay, Kay, you've said it in one. We are paying $ 600 million to Papua New Guinea for a rugby league site. And I know it's been justified as, you know, China is encroaching in our area. We need to maintain relations as best we can. And a great way to do it with Papua New Guinea is to have a rugby league team there. But yeah, it's $ 600 million of taxpayers' money. And at tough times like this, maybe the money could be better spent. Hi, Gigi. The Reserve Bank keeps reminding the electorate to reduce spending, to reduce the interest rates. We need to hold off until the economy is better placed. The flight to space may be a worthwhile adventure. But not now. Gary, thank you very much for that. We're going to take a break for news. Then after the news, some pretty exciting news. The first ever Australian Michelin star restaurants will be here in Adelaide. We're going to find out about them tonight. Good idea? What are your thoughts? Give me a call. Eight minutes past ten, 5AA. Thanks for joining us, if you've just dropped by. An exciting day and night for South Australian foodies. South Australian restaurants are about to become the first in Australia to feature in the world-renowned Michelin Guide. To tell us more about it is SA Food Identity, South Australian Mandy Hall, who joins us now, Woman of the Year for Hospitality, in fact. Mandy, good morning to you. 00:41:09 Speaker 20: Good morning, Graeme. 00:41:10 Speaker 19: How are you? 00:41:11 Speaker 2: I'm well, thanks. An exciting time for foodies. 00:41:14 Speaker 21: Oh, look, exciting time for, yes, for foodies, for the whole state, really. There's so much to be gained after what happens tonight. So, yeah, we're all kind of, I can't remember a time in which everything was so secret, nobody had any idea. 00:41:30 Speaker 18: Yeah, it's quite wild. 00:41:33 Speaker 21: We don't get very many secrets anymore, but this certainly is one. 00:41:36 Speaker 2: So, background, I think we've all heard, you know, if a restaurant's got a Michelin star or two or three, it is something extra special. why has it never been here in Australia before? 00:41:49 Speaker 21: Look, I think that's a really interesting question, one which I probably can't answer that well. I mean, we have a global. 00:41:59 Speaker 21: We have global recognition for our produce in Australia, and it's been really interesting that it hasn't been here before. But now South Australia is about to put the whole of Australia on the global map when it comes to food and producers... you know, our regional areas everywhere. So it's incredibly exciting. I'm just glad it's here. You know, yes, it would be lovely to have had it here long ago, but I'm very excited that it's here. 00:42:23 Speaker 2: So how does Michelin decide what restaurants will get a star or not? 00:42:29 Speaker 21: Well, there's several facets to the awards. So obviously we have the stars that everybody's quite familiar with. But then there's also something called Bib Gourmand, which is, essentially it's like a value guide. So, you know, you might have a hole in the wall in your neighbourhood which does incredible paninis, for example, and, you know, they have potential to be included. So it goes across the board. And there's also then the Michelin Guide, the recommendation. So there's lots of ways in which you will get Michelin recognition and can get recognition, but it's all anonymous, completely anonymous. Nobody knows. The inspectors are employed by Michelin. So it can't be anybody that's familiar with the food industry in this state or in this country. You know, they don't know who they are. They visit several times. They are looking for consistency. So it's not just a one-off visit. You know, it's done really. 00:43:28 Speaker 6: Really well. 00:43:30 Speaker 21:

The due diligence is certainly there. And, yeah, I think that's what makes Michelin so very special. 00:43:36 Speaker 2: So it's not like they rock up saying, look, I'm from Michelin, show me what you've got. You don't get forewarned. 00:43:44 Speaker 18: No, you don't. 00:43:45 Speaker 21: So if anybody's thinking about trying that in the future, looking for a good table, they'll know straight away that you're not from Michelin because it's completely anonymous. 00:43:56 Speaker 20: Nobody has any idea. 00:43:57 Speaker 2: So what do you think it would mean for a restaurant to get a Michelin rating? 00:44:02 Speaker 21: Look, I think in so many ways it's huge. I mean, you know, there is the other side that it's a huge pressure as well, obviously, because of continued performance. But it doesn't just stop at the restaurant. But I guess if we're thinking about chefs and hospitality, you know, they devote their entire life to this. The dedication is huge. While we're all out having 21st and weddings and celebrating Mother's Days and Father's Days and Christmases, they're working and they generally know from a really young age that this is where they want to be and they give it everything. 00:44:35 Speaker 20: That they can. 00:44:36 Speaker 21: But, of course, that filters down through to a sous chef, to back of house, to, you know, somebody doing the dishes. It also goes across the board to all of our producers in South Australia. You know, you might imagine the opportunity for being a citrus grower in the Riverland, for example, and knowing that your orange is going to end up on the plates in a Michelin-star restaurant. You know, winemakers, knife makers, you know, it goes, you know, the local caravan park, it goes everywhere. 00:45:07 Speaker 9: It's huge. 00:45:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no question about that. Look, I think most of us here in South Australia who like eating out from time to time, if we've travelled interstate or overseas, really appreciate what we've got here. I mean, you've talked about the quality of our foods, the products, you know, everything means that it leads towards great food and fine dining. But it'll be nice to see on some restaurants at least that Michelin sign. 00:45:32 Speaker 22: I know. 00:45:33 Speaker 6: I know. 00:45:33 Speaker 21: It's incredibly exciting. You know, I think I was talking about that this morning, that red sign, you know, who would have thought and to find ourselves in that position in South Australia. It's just, yeah, it's really wonderful. And, of course, you're so right about the produce. And another really interesting thing for us in South Australia is We're so close to it all. 00:45:55 Speaker 23: No matter where you. 00:45:56 Speaker 21: Are in South Australia, you're right by the winemaker. Up the road can be the person who has the dairy cows and that dairy is going to end up in your restaurant. And most of our, almost all of them, all of our chefs and restaurants have really close relationships with all those growers and producers. 00:46:16 Speaker 2: So, Amanda, you're close to it. I mean, you've said it's all been a veil of secrecy and that. Can you sort of give us some indication and tips? Who do you reckon is going to pick up a Michelin star? 00:46:28 Speaker 21: I have been asked that question so many times today. And I just, look, I just can't give it to you because I know inevitably I could, we are so lucky here. I could give you 12 names and then I would miss out on 12 that deserving. And also, I want to be welcomed back. 00:46:44 Speaker 20: I don't necessarily want to accidentally leave someone off. But I think the fact that We can all rattle off in South Australia, whether you're a massive foodie or not. People can all rattle off for a few restaurants that mean so much to them or they've eaten there and it's been so good that they think they're in with a chance. And I think what a wonderful position for us all to be in. 00:47:08 Speaker 18: Ah, yes. 00:47:09 Speaker 2: We dare to dream. 00:47:10 Speaker 8: We dare. 00:47:11 Speaker 2: And you'll be there tonight for the glittering ceremony? 00:47:15 Speaker 21: I absolutely will. It's been a very early start today, sorry. I think, you know, we're running off adrenaline today. And look, you know, I'm not up for any Michelin and I'm incredibly excited. Sorry, I can imagine there's some very tense bodies around South Australia today, but can't wait for tonight. Incredibly excited. 00:47:35 Speaker 2: Thanks for your time today. Mandy Hall, SA Food Identity, also SA Woman of the Year for Hospitality. An exciting night. And 5AA' s own Jess Adamson is the emcee. What a great job she will do. We know that. She always does. But what a glittering night. Are you going along? Are you one of the lucky people? I'm not, unfortunately. The Michelin. Do you know the background, the original? Why Michelin? Because Michelin make tyres. What does a company that makes tyres have to do with fine food and fine dining? Well, evidently, they were trying to boost their tyre business. way, way back in the 1800s. And they put out this guide, a driving guide with maps, tips for drivers, and they included places to eat and stay. Then they took it a little further and say, let's rate these places. And it's taken off and it is now huge. And I think most people sort of think Michelin star means, you know, top quality restaurants, high price, but it can be just little eateries, little places. We were in Singapore last year and we were eating in a shopping mall, and there was this little, was it Vietnamese? Thai food? Not sure what it was. And it had a Michelin rating. And mind you, it deserved it. The food was sensational. So it doesn't have to be just top-end restaurants. So what are your thoughts? Why did South Australia get it? Now, that's a different story. Why haven't other states been in the running for Michelin, having Michelin star ratings of their restaurants? Well, you pay for

it. You pay for it. In July, New Zealand became the first place in Oceania to get a Michelin star. They had to pay for it. Now, apparently Michelin has been trying to break into the Australian market. market for years, and no one has taken the bait. Tourism Australia evidently decided against it, but our state government has gone its own way, with the state government footing the bill. Now, we were asked, or they were asked, how much did it cost to get Michelin into South Australia? And they've said, well, it was confidential for commercial reasons. You know, they're Our state government's line always, commercial confidentiality. Well, it's funny, Premier, if you're listening, New Zealand aren't so shy. They've come out and said, well, it's cost us $ 6. 3 million over three years for the privilege. They're not worried about commercial confidentiality. And as I always say, when you're talking commercial confidentiality, I totally understand when you're in negotiations, you don't want other people to get an idea of what you're prepared to pay and they can one-up you. So you keep it quiet. But once the contract's signed, it's set in cement, set in concrete, The deal is done. Then you come out and say, well, we got this deal. It's fantastic. And this is what it's costing us. I think we have a right to know. What are your thoughts? 8223 0000. Do you love your food? Tell us about it. 00:50:21 Speaker 1: 5AA Mornings with Graham Goodings. 00:50:24 Speaker 2: 21 past 10, 5AA. This time tomorrow, we'll know which restaurants in Adelaide have a Michelin star. What is your favorite? Somebody says, Tunky at the Lakes. I tell you what, the texter, ending in 395, I agree with you. Tunky at the Lakes is an exceptionally good restaurant. Among my favourites, I love the Thai awkward at Henley Square. Fugazi's good also. We just spoil for restaurants in South Australia. Let us know your favourite. And who do you think is going to come out with a Michelin star or two? Edward, good morning. 00:51:08 Speaker 16: Good morning, Graeme. 00:51:10 Speaker 24: Look, I'd like to raise another issue, you know, regarding the ramping and everything like that. 00:51:15 Speaker 2: Sure. 00:51:16 Speaker 24: It's not just older people that are there, but I've seen a lot of younger people there when I went there about three days ago. And I was only there for a very short time. In fact, I didn't even get a bed, but it was okay. But look, I want to mention to you that this is interesting. A friend of mine in construction who helped build the hospital, he told me, but the hospital is too small. They should have added an extra story, but they didn't. 00:51:42 Speaker 7: Sorry? 00:51:43 Speaker 24: They should have. My friend in construction who helped build the RA, he told me that they should have built an extra story. 00:51:52 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes. I'm sorry, I'm with you. I thought the line dropped out. Look, I agree entirely. You don't build or you build buildings, future-proof

them, and if they put an extra story on, And left it vacant because it's going to cost an awful lot more now. The cost would have been minimal, you would have thought. But yeah, no, that's certainly a good point, Edwin. And I don't know if they're future-proofing the women's and children's. But if you build it, I mean, the RAA was never big enough to start with the new RAA. Let's face it, when you look at the number of old beds in the old RAA to the new RAA, they increased by less than 100. And Adelaide was always going to grow. We knew that. They knew that. You know, we do censuses all the time. that show that the state, the city is growing, hospital needs will increase, and yet they didn't plan for it. It was very, very poor. Andrea says, my ex-girlfriend is a nurse. She tells me immigrants she works with aren't able to communicate with staff and patients effectively, and they struggle documenting patient records. Nurse colleagues have to check their work, and patients complain they cannot understand them. They need to up the minimum English proficiency score rating that they are employing these staff on. Julia Blake for you. G'day, Julie. 00:53:08 Speaker 23: Good morning, Graeme. I think third time this week, aren't you lucky? 00:53:11 Speaker 2: Oh, very. Thank you. 00:53:14 Speaker 23: Nice. I was just listening to what you were saying earlier, Graeme, about Captain Benel Penn and the Prime Minister wanting the state to contribute to it. 00:53:25 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:53:26 Speaker 23: Well, Under normal circumstances, if the economy were far better than what it is now, I would say yes, because obviously it's progress and it's the future and, you know, I don't have a problem with it. But because of the way the economy is, I would say no. There's just, like you said, there's so many homeless and people with mortgages and people can't pay rent and so on. So definitely not at the moment. But I did have a thought, though. The Prime Minister, I think, needs to keep an eye on his expenses sheet because we know that Minister Annika Wells likes travel. She might put a submission in and claim for $ 100 million travel and she might be off the space frame. 00:54:17 Speaker 2: You reckon she might get away with it? 00:54:19 Speaker 23: Well, she gets away with it if it's enough, Graham, and she obviously does like air travel, so... I just thought that, you know, she might put an invoice in for her travel allowance and. 00:54:32 Speaker 25: We might find her in space. 00:54:33 Speaker 2: Annika Wells in space. 00:54:35 Speaker 12: Yeah. 00:54:36 Speaker 23: What do you think, Graeme? 00:54:38 Speaker 2: It would kill two birds with one stone, wouldn't it? 00:54:40 Speaker 9: It would. 00:54:41 Speaker 23: And hopefully it would maybe be a one-way trip, Graeme, and then she wouldn't be able to put any more expenses in. 00:54:46 Speaker 2: Ah, Julie, Julie, Julie. I love your thoughts. Yeah, look, government's cut back spending. That would be a good idea, wouldn't it? you know, to travel economy class instead of, and public servants have it in their contracts that they can travel business class. 00:55:01 Speaker 11: Why? 00:55:02 Speaker 4: Why? 00:55:03 Speaker 2: Fine when the country is in great state and we're making lots of money and everybody, there's no poor and domestic violence is an issue and we've covered costs for the homeless and everything. Sure, go on a big spending spree. But at the moment, we're doing it tough. This country is really doing it tough. On the text line, I went into the construction site of the Women's and Children's Hospital. They told me that the construction had halted. Did you know about that? No, I didn't. It's interesting, isn't it, that the car park is up and running. Was that a show of, look, gee whiz, we're really doing things. It's going along nicely. So there's the car park, but no cars to put in it at this stage because there's no hospital. So look, I'm not aware of that, that the Women's and Children's Construction has halted. We will make some inquiries to find out, but I was not aware of that. GG, this commercial confidentiality, non-disclosure of how much taxpayers' money is spent, is similar to cabinet confidentiality. This is only for wartime, not to reveal strategic plans. It is not to allow politicians to say one thing in public and have a completely different opinion behind closed doors. Yeah, I really think they hide behind the cloak of commercial confidentiality. And there's no question that once the deal is done, it's taxpayers' money. We have every right to know. Daryl, good morning. 00:56:21 Speaker 8: Good morning, Graeme. 00:56:22 Speaker 11: I haven't called you for a while. I've kept the mouth zip for a while. 00:56:28 Speaker 2: Well, off you go. 00:56:30 Speaker 11: Graeme, we've got all these expansions in the hills with the transport. I said to the local member 10 years ago when I met with him, can I get on your transport advisory, the service to the area? And, you know, 10 years has gone and nothing much has changed. But we had a conversation up here about a few extra services. But, you know, they want to start listening to the real people. But Graeme had an industry function in Adelaide last night. And obviously, you know, I was going to enjoy the night. And got back here to Mount Barker on the. 00:57:11 Speaker 26: Bus, 10.30. 00:57:13 Speaker 11: And I just thought to myself, Got off the bus, rang the local service to get a cab from the stop home and no cars. And this really frees me up, Graeme, because anyone in Mount Barker that works late and wants a service around the town late, you're absolutely stuffed, Graeme. 00:57:37 Speaker 2: And this is 10.30, so it's not really late. 00:57:39 Speaker 11: 10.30 at night, you can't... They have the 12-minute buses going up the freeway, right? Adelaide, Mount Barker. When you get to Mount Barker to go out to your area, you've got to wait an hour. Now, the area needs four designated

circuit buses going into the depots. But I'm just thinking, Graeme, there are people in this area, you just spoke to the last person talking about mortgages, etc., And you're working late. You come back to Mount Barker and it's a big area to get around, Graeme. And you pull up at the depot at 10.30 and you're stuffed. You've got to walk 5km. 00:58:17 Speaker 26: Do you think that's progress? 00:58:19 Speaker 2: No, that's crazy. That's a lack of infrastructure. That's a lack of foresight, lack of planning. 00:58:25 Speaker 11: Graeme, I stopped myself and my private transport service. I stopped off buying service about... four years ago to the community, you know, after a 20-year distinguished taxi, you know, venture, and I have my own service, I still have, because they let all these rideshares into the area. You know, this is the solution. 00:58:50 Speaker 26: But the public bus, we're all taxpayers. 00:58:54 Speaker 11: And we deserve, if we work or come into the area late at night, we deserve something going around the area to get to your home. And this is just crap, Graeme. It's absolutely... I had to wait. The guy, the one cat was out the back of Loban and I had to wait an hour just to get... You know, I couldn't walk for five k's home. 00:59:15 Speaker 2: No, of course not. 00:59:16 Speaker 6: No. This is. 00:59:17 Speaker 11: You know, as I said to Cregan, went in one ear, out the other. Now, the new member up here, he's not made a conversation to a chap that knows the region in this area. And still, we've got things to do. But I've just come back into the town. 00:59:37 Speaker 26: And, you know, the Bloomin' Housing's out to Wistow. The bus pulls up on Alexandrina Road out here at Ashton Hills. 00:59:49 Speaker 11: And guess what? 00:59:51 Speaker 26: You can't get the bus out there. 00:59:53 Speaker 11: You know, you've got to walk. 00:59:54 Speaker 26: There's people with their prams. People can't get to their homes with their family. It's a 5K walk, Graeme. 01:00:03 Speaker 2: Darrell, I understand your pain. It's not good enough. And if you're listening, authorities, if you're listening, people in positions of power, do something. 01:00:14 Speaker 1: 5AA Mornings with Graeme Goodies. 01:00:17 Speaker 2: 25 to 11, 5AA this Wednesday morning. Just what is happening with the AFL's drug policy? Recent issues that we won't go into have highlighted the fact that it seems to be open season, shall we say, without saying too much. Eddie Summerfield is 3AW Sports reporter. He joins us now. Eddie, good morning to you. 01:00:43 Speaker 18: Yeah, good morning to you, Graeme. 01:00:45 Speaker 5: As you say, they're open season. Seems to certainly be the off season. The football club's worst nightmare this time of year of their players not being completely under their control. 01:00:55 Speaker 16: And what we read. 01:00:57 Speaker 5: About being a pretty common issue among young people and young men, and that is the taking of illegal or illicit substances. 01:01:08 Speaker 11: Yeah. 01:01:08 Speaker 2: Now, is it, I mean, the AFL say, you know, toughest, toughest rules in any sport anywhere. And yet the public don't quite see it that way. So both can't be true. 01:01:20 Speaker 1: Correct, correct. 01:01:21 Speaker 5: And some interesting comments today from a former Melbourne player, Sean Smith. You'll remember that hanger that he was playing for the Demons against the Bears, I think it was, in 96, up there at the Gabba. But his son, of course, Joel Smith, he played for Melbourne up until a couple of years ago, and he's currently still serving a four-year ban for... substance-related breaches. And he's gone pretty hard, Sean Smith, in saying that the AFL has got a massive problem and it needs to come down hard with penalties for those who are found guilty of breaching the league's illicit drug policy and for taking illicit, or as he calls them, and how I think it is correctly termed, illegal drugs. Because let's face it, they are illegal, Graeme. Like all drugs, You go and pay however much some drugs cost you. All of that money goes back to organised crime. It doesn't go through the tax man. It doesn't go to a charity. It doesn't go to a. 01:02:21 Speaker 15: Good local small business. 01:02:23 Speaker 5: It all feeds back to local organised crime and probably from their filters overseas. 01:02:29 Speaker 15: So this is, of course, after what happened on the. 01:02:32 Speaker 5: Early hours of Sunday morning. with Carlson duo Lockie Cowan and teammate Will Haywood, who were reportedly on illegal substances. Cowan, he had a seizure, and Will Haywood, well, believe his story, I guess he's had a fall in the shower and had to be taken to hospital, but the reports were they were both consuming illegal substances on that night, and I'm sure that being the demographic and being the AFL's drug policy, Graeme, that they're probably not the only ones in the AFL sphere consuming illicit substances. 01:03:09 Speaker 2: Certainly. So what role does the AFL Players Association have in the drugs policy? 01:03:15 Speaker 5: So the drugs policy was reformed, big reforms, after a long time. And they were announced by the AFL earlier this year. But quite amazingly, News Limit reported at the start of the week that it's yet to implement aspects of that news policy. So under the current policy that will be replaced before the start of the next season, players can be hair-tested over the course of the off-season when they return to training, but receive only counselling and target testing instead of any sanction, only if they admit to public drug use or the drug use is publicly revealed? Are they in any danger of... receiving a suspension likely of two weeks for conduct undercoming. You'll remember his now Hawthorne player, former Collingwood player, Jack Ginnivan, a couple of off-seasons ago. He admitted to using illicit substances, I think it was in late January, early February of the 2024 pre-season, and

he received a two-week ban for coming clean off. So the AFL and the Players Association, their point of view is that the policy, it needs to be educational. It needs to be to help players who seek support to move away from taking these illegal, illicit substances and not bear any penalties. But what we're seeing here is the players have found loopholes and they know their way around it and they know that the penalties, well, they're virtually non-existent. 01:04:51 Speaker 2: What sort of feedback are you getting from the community? Do people accept this as the way it is? I mean, we all love our footballers, we all love our footy teams, but, you know, this apparent open flaunting of drug use in the community, you know, what are the public thinking about this? 01:05:06 Speaker 5: Well, I think they say it's their off-season, leave them alone, which I personally find quite amazing. Like, maybe I'm I'm in my mid to, I stress mid to late 30s, Graham. And the drug culture, that wasn't a thing when I was in my 20s. Maybe at the back end of my 20s, I noticed a few friends starting to go down that path. Surely it's not as widespread as what some people would make it out to be. As I said at the top, all of the money that goes into buying drugs, it all goes to organised crime. So I don't understand why the penalties aren't greater. for that respect and I don't understand why the public sentiment also isn't stronger considering that it is all effectively organised crime that is selling illicit and illegal substances to not only our footballers but young impressionable people in our society, impressionable people that will see stars of the competition, star of footballers, I go, oh, well, they're having drugs, so they must be okay. 01:06:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the thing, isn't it? The role model. I mean, a lot of sports people say, look, we don't want to be role models. We just play football. But hang on, you're earning hundreds of thousands of dollars. You've got lots of discretionary spending. And people look at you and say, well, if it's all right for them to do it. I mean, it's just like the rules on the field. If AFL footballers get away with, you know, jumper punches and different things. It happens at junior football. Kids will follow their idols. And so those idols really need to be set an example. 01:06:40 Speaker 5: That's exactly right. You see people joking that, oh, just have a couple of bags across the course of the weekend. People shouldn't joke about what can happen with illegal substances. In Victoria at the moment, Graeme, the timing of this is a little bit funny. Victoria Health, they put out a health alert either on Friday or Saturday of the week just gone, warning that there is a dodgy batch of, I think, cocaine spreading across Melbourne and Victoria today. at the moment. And just reminding people that these are illegal substances and you can get quite sick and in some cases, hospitalised. 01:07:20 Speaker 2: Yeah. Why would you

want to put something into your body where you don't know where it's come from? 01:07:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, correct. Correct. So what happens from here, Tarleton is investigating and they'll go about that. There's no, I guess, big rush in completing that investigation considering players are in their off-season and then from there the AFL will examine if they feel they need to also make inquiries and if there is any further penalties from there for these two Carlton players across the course of the weekend. 01:07:51 Speaker 2: Watch this space. Eddie, great to chat. Thanks for your time today. Eddie Summerfield, 3AW Sports Reporter. Your thoughts? Love to hear them. Dave says, Hi Graham, are Michelin star restaurants required to prominently display a sculpture of the Michelin Man? 01:08:03 Speaker 15: Ha! 01:08:04 Speaker 2: Dave, no. No, because that would be, if anyone is not aware, the Michelin Man is quite a chubby character or caricature, whatever you call it. So maybe not a good advertisement for a restaurant. No, I think they have little stars or little emblems or something. In fact, we might look into that. Mike says, obviously, Julie is a Liberal member, mentioning Annika Wells again today. Does she not remember Michaelia Cash flying to the Gulf or Gold Coast to purchase a townhouse? Yeah, politicians, they're great, aren't they? Don't you just love them? uh carnivore on port road and hindmarsh is one of my favorites it's a la carte and it has the best meat and seafood ever tasted thank you for that andrew back shortly. 01:08:45 Speaker 1: Five double a mornings with graham goodings. 01:08:54 Speaker 2: Okay let's take some calls out to mudley north raylene good morning good morning how are you good thanks. 01:09:01 Speaker 25: I'm just really frustrated about our medical system at the moment. 01:09:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:09:06 Speaker 25: Malinowski's going on and bragging about we're going to have a $ 2 million Christmas tree and we're going to give money to the girl to go to space. What about the people that are suffering with illness and can't get to see a doctor, can't get any help at the hospital? waiting for hours in ambulances, like my partner has had a problem this week and last week, moving him from room to room to fit in someone else and caused his problem that he went to hospital with to go back to square one on the day he was rushed there and opening up more wounds for him in his last days of life. I'm just really frustrated and angry. And I'd like Peter Malinowski to go to one of our emergency rooms, sit there for 10 hours, 10 hours, and see what happens. It is a disgrace. The hospitals are filthy dirty. The floors and the rooms are not getting done. The toilets aren't getting cleaned. 01:10:14 Speaker 8: And it's a disgrace. 01:10:16 Speaker 2: Raylene, thank you for bringing that to our attention. although I think there are a lot of people who would agree with you. Earlier we had in the studio Robin Lindsay, who's the new head of SA Health and Wellness, and she has a master plan to improve things, but she will be on a time limit. We will want to see some results, and we want to see them pretty soon. Dave, good morning. 01:10:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, g'day. 01:10:38 Speaker 27: I was just thinking about the Michelin star thing, and I'm thinking that the state government is actually at risk of turning this state essentially into a another barley in that we're almost totally reliant on tourism and travel, et cetera, there for our income. Whilst it's really good for our restaurants, I think what they're not doing is taking advantage of all of the resources, et cetera, that we have here in South Australia from both a produce resource to a mineral resource to actually providing regular income for a lot of people here. So what we're actually doing with our tourism is actually providing short-term peaks and troughs, et cetera, there for people. And if people want to get into the housing market, they're going to rely or they're going to need a regular stable income. And festivals and motor racing events and Michelin stars, et cetera, are not going to provide that sort of regular stable income that people actually need in order to get into the housing market. All our hotels, foreign-owned. Where do all the profits go? 01:11:47 Speaker 2: Overseas. 01:11:48 Speaker 27: They don't necessarily stay here in South Australia. So I think Malinowskis needs to look at the small, medium, and large businesses and then look at the resources that we actually have here in South Australia and actually start to actually value-add to a lot of. 01:12:02 Speaker 16: Those sorts of areas. 01:12:04 Speaker 27: If you look at the wine industry, which is collapsing, a lot of the fruit growers in the Riverland are pulling out their grapevines, but they're not planting things like fruit trees and orchards, et cetera, there because there's no money at all in that sort of industry for them either. And yet we could actually value add to those sorts of produce and actually export that overseas. 01:12:24 Speaker 2: Dave, you make some really good points, really good points. Let's hope the Premier's Department was listening. Tourism is all well and good, but as you say, it's seasonal. although it does bring fresh dollars into the country or into the state. But maybe we should be doing more for our local resources and 12-month-of-the-year resources and jobs. Graeme, good morning. 01:12:45 Speaker 19: Yes, good morning, Graeme. Just a moment ago, you mentioned about the new car park at the women's and children's proposed site for the hospital with no cars parking in it. Now, my grandson works in the building industry and and he is to work on that site when it starts building. 01:13:04 Speaker 17: And anyway, it was. 01:13:06 Speaker 19: Told to me by him that the car park has been built because when they start building the major building for the new Women's and Children's Hospital, that there's nowhere for the

building tradesmen to park their cars in the streets. So they built the car park first so the tradesmen can park their cars in the car park. 01:13:26 Speaker 2: Oh, well, that does make sense, Graeme, because it does seem unusual to build a car park first but I drive past it every day, you're probably right. I know the car park is going to be home for about 1,300 cars. There wouldn't be that many tradespeople that need that much, but there would probably be in the realm of a few hundred. So that makes a lot of sense. 01:13:45 Speaker 3: Yes. 01:13:46 Speaker 19: So that can fill in a little bit of a hole for you. 01:13:50 Speaker 2: Good on you, Graeme. Thanks for sharing that information with us. More calls in a moment on 8223 0000. John at Mitchell Park says, Morning. I wonder if my favorite fish and chip shop will get a Michelin star. Well, it's possible, John. I think most of us think that Michelin star means top quality, first class, fine dining restaurants. But no, Michelin covers way more than that. So they look at street food and the like. So maybe your favorite fish and chip shop will get a Guernsey. How would that be, eh? Go to a fish and chip shop with a Michelin ranking. Lou says, France and Belgium are on fire from protests from second and third generation migrants, fuelled by far-left extremist disdain for capitalism. Spain and the rest of Europe seem to be next, yet not one mainstream media outlet, except News 24, want to touch it. Are you aware of what's happening? I don't understand why nobody is talking about it. Thank you for that, Lou. Jim, good morning. 01:14:47 Speaker 3: Good morning, Graeme. I'm sorry I'm not so upbeat today, but I've just riled up about the brave comrades in Canberra making those nasty gas producers keep 20% for the domestic market. 01:15:00 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. 01:15:01 Speaker 3: You think they would have took the easy option and just put 7% or 5% extra on sales, having to make them pump more gas so they can keep 20% for us? Graeme, if I get the crowbar out here in the post hole digger, I reckon I could have my own natural gas well if I dug deep enough. And secondly, talking about the illicit drugs in the AFL and everywhere else and on the street, On a street level, I've watched enough TV shows and known enough of the wrong side of the tracks to know where some people hide their drugs to sell them to you. You wouldn't want to be eating them, Graeme, or taking them or using them. They don't keep them in their pocket or in a nice, clean tin. 01:15:38 Speaker 2: Ah, I'm just imagining, and I think I'm imagining the worst. 01:15:41 Speaker 3: No, you're imagining probably the best. If you're imagining the worst, a clean-cut fellow like you, Graeme, you're probably imagining the best. It's a lot worse than you can imagine. 01:15:48 Speaker 2: Ah, dear. 01:15:49 Speaker 3: And you know another thing? I'll say one more thing. Now, I've got nothing against French people, but really only in the last 100 years they've been nice to us. And who wants a Michelin star? Look what they did to their own people with that guillotine, how crazy they all went and what they did for England for 100 years and started with Spain. 01:16:09 Speaker 2: Jim, that was a long time ago. Don't we forgive and forget? 01:16:12 Speaker 3: I can't forgive it, Graeme. 01:16:15 Speaker 2: You can't? 01:16:16 Speaker 3: Can't forgive. I've got a long memory like an elephant, Graeme. 01:16:19 Speaker 2: Good on you, Jim. Always great to chat. Thanks for your call. You've got to forgive and forget. The Michelin restaurants coming to Adelaide causing a lot of excitement in the food industry, and understandably so, because some will get the nod tonight at a glittering ceremony hosted by our own Jess Adamson. Even she doesn't know at this stage who the winners are because it is one of the best-kept secrets, but it will be very interesting to see. If you had to tip which restaurants would be given Michelin stars, which would they be? What is your favourite restaurant, or which do you think would be the most deserving? 8223 0000. Jay says the guy you had on is incorrect. Ridges South Park and Rockford Adelaide are both locally owned and operated by Adelaide-born guys. Yeah, that's true, but it would be fair to say that the majority of major hotels in this state are foreign-owned. Pauline, good morning. 01:17:15 Speaker 22: Jay, Graham, how are you going? 01:17:17 Speaker 2: Good, thanks. 01:17:18 Speaker 22: I just want to comment on the hospital system. I'll tell you what, something's going to have to change. I was in hospital for four months last year. I was in hospital for six weeks this year. Now, they don't give you the top sheet. You've just got blanket. They don't come and when you press the button, they're not there. Be there before you get to see them. The bathrooms are only cleaned once a week, and the rooms are not cleaned at all, really. 01:17:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is largely because of a lack of staff. There are just not enough people. 01:18:01 Speaker 22: Well, no. The cleaners are through Spotless, so that's the contract. That's a different mob. It's not through the nurses. The cleaning side of things is through Spotless. 01:18:14 Speaker 2: And you're saying they only go through once a week? 01:18:18 Speaker 22: In the bathrooms, yes. 01:18:20 Speaker 26: No idea. 01:18:20 Speaker 22: And with sheets and everything else, unless you saw the bed, yes, they've got a remarked bed. 01:18:28 Speaker 2: I find it surprising that they don't give you a top sheet because a sheet is a lot easier to clean than blankets, obviously. 01:18:35 Speaker 22: They don't give you a top sheet. It's very surprising. 01:18:40 Speaker 6: And when. 01:18:41 Speaker 22: And when this lady was actually saying about emergency, now I've got to go through palliative care now, but when I go through emergency, you're taken in there and you'd be in this room. You don't get any water. You don't get

any food. And that could be up to 24 hours before you actually get anything. 01:19:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, Pauline, there are so many horror stories. 01:19:11 Speaker 22: Yeah, and when you ring the bell to actually go to the toilet, well, with me now, it's a bedpan, but, you know, it's just like you're waiting and waiting and waiting. 01:19:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that is a common story, unfortunately, Pauline, because staff are run off their feet and they can only be in one place at a time. Good morning, Gigi. On Albo's suggestion of sending Dr Catherine Bennell-Pegg out to space, Will Albo come up with some stupid ideas? But this is ridiculous. No, I don't want to contribute money to send Catherine out of space. On the other hand, I would contribute money to send Albo, Wong and Watt, Chalmers and all Labour politicians out to space with no return module. Now that proposal would get funding, I bet. Thank you for that. 8223 0000. More spin heard. Heard it all before. But when the government pulls the private health rebate, it will only get worse. Paul, I'm afraid to say I agree with you. Every bit of it. We're pausing for news back after the news with a story about blood. Are you a blood donor or ever been a blood donor or ever been in need of blood? Well, blood supplies around the nation are at a critically low level. 01:20:21 Speaker 1: 5AA Mornings with Graeme Goodings. 01:20:25 Speaker 2: You're called in a moment on 8223 0000. Don't you just love corrective text? Now, I've got this text from William. It says, Good morning, Graeme. Could you please ask your guest... My partner and myself are both blood donuts. Now, William, I know what you meant. You're blood donors. Came out donuts. We have donated several times, but she gets reminded on a text phone regarding coming to donate blood, but I don't get any reminders. I'm just wondering what could be the reason for that. Well, unfortunately, William, our lifeblood person is no longer with us, but I would suggest that you ring that number. What was it? 1314. Hang on. I'll get it right in a moment. 1314. Or 13 14 95. 13 14 95. And tell them your problem. Tell them the issue, because if you want to be reminded, I'm sure they'll fix it for you. 8223 0000, the number. Roy, good morning. 01:21:20 Speaker 8: Hi, how you doing, mate? 01:21:21 Speaker 2: Good, thanks. 01:21:22 Speaker 8: Yeah, I haven't been listening. I'm over in Woodner, in the Air Peninsula. 01:21:26 Speaker 2: Oh, lucky you. 01:21:27 Speaker 8: Yeah, I know. I've been over here for about a week, and I can't pick yous up here, but... I can get you on the phone, no worries. 01:21:36 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, the radio app, it works beautifully. 01:21:39 Speaker 8: And, yeah, it's not just an app, it's just a phone. I don't have your app either. So, anyway, travelling over here, you know, that surcharge I've taken off. 01:21:53 Speaker 2: Off credit cards, yeah. 01:21:55 Speaker 8: Credit card, yes. Well, I've noticed the government in the Infinity... I was seeing signs on the side of the road. It says petrol, motel, this, coffee. Coffee's been crossed out on a lot of them. Really? Yes, and some service stations. You've got to go slow through towns. Some service stations say, we do not sell coffee. We can't afford it. We don't sell coffee. You can't afford it. 01:22:22 Speaker 2: Is that right? 01:22:24 Speaker 8: That's exactly right. 01:22:26 Speaker 2: Roy, that's the first I've heard of that. 01:22:28 Speaker 8: No, well, yeah, I've seen it, and that's what I thought. I wonder if anyone else has noticed it, but you might have a few people that travel that have noticed the same thing. 01:22:38 Speaker 2: Well, we'll look out for that, Roy, but no, that is the first I've heard. I know that it is having an impact on coffee shops and small businesses, and they're adding, you know, 50 cents to a cup of coffee. I'm wondering why service stations aren't doing the same. 01:22:52 Speaker 8: Well, the servos like Maccas and that, you know, they're all... These are the... Not the... Some of the small servos and the delis and all that. 01:23:04 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:23:05 Speaker 8: But I've seen signs at the front, sorry, we don't sell coffee, you can't afford it. 01:23:11 Speaker 2: And that's just happened since the surcharge has been. 01:23:15 Speaker 8: That's exactly right. I always carry some change with me for things like that. I can't see you pointing, using a card just to pay for five bucks or something. 01:23:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you mean, Roy, but more and more people do. I mean, a lot of younger people don't carry any cash at all. 01:23:31 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm a 70s mate. I've only just got a smartphone. 01:23:37 Speaker 2: Good luck to you. 01:23:38 Speaker 8: I just wanted to let you know. 01:23:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you did. 01:23:41 Speaker 8: Good luck in the conversation, mate. Yeah. 01:23:43 Speaker 2: Thanks for that, Roy, and enjoy Woodner, you lucky beast, you. Yeah, so anyone else out there on the road, notice that. Small service stations and the like, where they offer services, cross out coffee, saying you can't afford it because the price has gone up. The ban was supposed to deliver, as we know, a win for consumers. Instead, Many businesses appear to be turning it into an excuse to hike their prices. Now, I'm not pointing the finger at a lot of businesses here, but it is happening. A survey of more than 1,500 cafes found that 70% had raised prices since the ban began, with increases averaging 50 cents per coffee. That's well above the typical 1.5% card surcharge. It raises an obvious question. Are customers genuinely benefiting or simply paying the same costs or more under a different name? Now, do you go to a regular coffee shop in the city or somewhere? Has the price of coffee changed? Has it gone down as the prime minister suggested it would? Has it stayed the same or has it gone up? Now, I mentioned yesterday, I buy bread at a regular

place, pay by card or tap and go. And there was always this surcharge of around about seven or eight cents, something like that. Now it is 15 cents because the surcharge is gone. I understand small businesses have to recoup their costs because they still have to incur those costs, but are they just going a little bit over and above? The point of the ban was transparency, not a license for creative price inflation. So yeah, maybe back in the government's hands. Although do we really want the government having more involvement? I don't think so. What are your thoughts? 8223 0000 is the number to ring. Uh, Lewis, spot on, says Andrew. It's only News 24 broadcasting the riots in France, Belgium, etc. that are said to be student protests. These protests are more than student protests. They're being funded by extreme religious organisations and are hijacked by them and far-left agitators. Universities are also to blame for the brainwashing of ideology on these students. We're just starting to see this here in Australia. Father Joan, good morning. 01:25:52 Speaker 6: Good morning, Graeme. It's very nice to talk to you again. 01:25:55 Speaker 2: And to you. 01:25:57 Speaker 6: Searching for my phone so I can get it out of my bag. 01:25:59 Speaker 25: And talk to you properly. 01:26:02 Speaker 6: I'm a bit of a coffee capping addict, so I'm a sort of regular coffee person all around the place. 01:26:11 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:26:14 Speaker 6: And I usually go to Chibos, you know, and it's like 570 for a small one. 01:26:20 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:26:20 Speaker 6: But I had just been to Glenelg to meet with my good friend Peter, who bones. At Il Cafe in the shopping centre where Woolworths is next to Brighton Road, $ 4. 20 I paid this morning. 01:26:37 Speaker 2: $ 4. 01:26:37 Speaker 3: 20? 01:26:37 Speaker 6: I promise. Yeah, I mean, I have no association with the place, but let me tell you, there's a lot of people, particularly a lot of people with a few needs that gather there because it's the most affordable place around. 01:26:52 Speaker 2: Is that like a medium-sized coffee? 01:26:55 Speaker 6: No, I do small. 01:26:57 Speaker 2: Small, yeah. 01:26:59 Speaker 6: Some of the ones in North Adelaide. 01:27:02 Speaker 18: Are $ 6. 01:27:02 Speaker 11: 70. 01:27:02 Speaker 26: This is $ 4. 01:27:02 Speaker 1: 20. 01:27:02 Speaker 2: Wow, that's a good price. 01:27:05 Speaker 6: Yeah, so everyone's got a flock there. 01:27:06 Speaker 2: Most importantly, Father Joan, is it good coffee? Does it taste good? 01:27:09 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes it is. I only get it half strength anywhere I go, but yeah, it is good. It's not bitter at all. 01:27:16 Speaker 11: It's excellent. 01:27:17 Speaker 2: Brilliant. Good on you, Father Joan. Thanks for sharing that story. 01:27:20 Speaker 18: Thank you. 01:27:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, so what price are you paying for your coffee? Have you noticed an increase? Stay the same or less, but the fact that Roy was telling us the surcharge in

country hotels, sorry, not country hotels, country service stations, a lot of them have stopped serving coffee because they're saying it's too expensive. My local burger joint, Anto's Deli on Goodwood Road, has gone the other way, re-credit card charges, now offers discount to customers paying with cash. Yeah, and that is a good thing, Tony. I think that if they can do that, You pay cash, you get it cheaper. I know the government don't want that. The banks don't want that. They don't want you using cash. I mean, heck, we can't trace the cash. Hi, Graham. Enjoying the show as always. Read the surcharge. Yesterday, I went to my usual hairdresser who advised the cut has gone up by $ 2. And the reason given was the government surcharge removal. Yet the surcharge was less than $ 2. So go figure. Thanks, Christine. Yeah, look, I think a lot of places are building in an extra increase. Now, the surcharge is something that the businesses have to carry and have to cover. There's no question about that. It's understandable that they don't absorb it. They pass it on to the customer because the customer always pays. But should they be just passing? on the exact amount of the former surcharge or can they build in a buffer? What do you think? David, good morning. 01:28:47 Speaker 11: G'day, Graeme. 01:28:48 Speaker 28: I was sort of sworn not to ring you up anymore by my wife, but I can't resist it. Talking about coffee, seniors get free coffee, cappuccinos at McDonald's and Hungry Jack's if you ask. As long as you buy. 01:29:06 Speaker 25: A $ 4. 01:29:07 Speaker 28: Mini burger or a piece of cake, they give you free cappuccinos. So that's where you should all be having your coffee. 01:29:13 Speaker 2: So that's at McDonald's, you get a free coffee if you're a senior, but you've got to buy something around about $ 4 in value. 01:29:20 Speaker 11: Yeah. 01:29:20 Speaker 28: And same at Hungry Jack's, they match each other. 01:29:24 Speaker 2: Well, that's a good deal. That's a good deal, surely. Yeah, very good deal. 01:29:27 Speaker 28: And the coffee at McDonald's is very good. It's better than half the coffee shops in the northeast suburbs. 01:29:34 Speaker 2: That sounds like you're an experienced coffee drinker. 01:29:36 Speaker 25: Sometimes. 01:29:39 Speaker 2: Good on you, David. Thanks for sharing your story with us. Phil says, I save thousands a year. Don't drink coffee. It's become a big thing, hasn't it? I didn't drink coffee until, as I always say, I've always loved the smell of fresh coffee. Just sensational. But up until a few years ago, never drank it, didn't like it. Have acquired a taste, I must say, for coffee in recent days, recent years. But one a day would be my absolute maximum. I probably have two, maybe three a week. That would be it. But people who, and I don't drink full strength coffee because you have to peel me off the ceiling. But people who drink four or five cups of coffee full strength a day And it happens around this radio station. Early starters need that early morning coffee. You'd have to peel me off the walls if I drank a full-strength coffee in the morning. Graham, majority of issues and shortages in this country has been caused by mass migration, but governments won't admit it. We're going to take a break for news headlines, then we're going to look at the walk for prems on this Sunday. What is that all about? 01:30:45 Speaker 1: 5AA Mornings with Graham Goodings. 01:30:51 Speaker 2: 29 to 12, 5AA, a little bit later on, we'll speak with, well, we hope to speak with Leith Forrest. He was aboard the cruise ship, the Crown Princess, yesterday, the last I heard, and headed off out to sea, off to Albany in Western Australia, late yesterday afternoon. In fact, I took a picture of it, and I'm just wondering if I caught a glimpse of Leith Forrest hanging over the bar rail. We'll find out a little bit later on. Red says, good morning. The price for my recent haircut at Port Adelaide increased by $ 3. Now it will be $ 28. I wonder if that had anything at all to do with the credit card surcharge. And Jane says, Hi, Graham. Could you please put out a call to David from the Hills? I haven't heard him for ages. He's very knowledgeable and interesting. A farmer and tech guy, I think. Well, funny you should say that, Jane. He was, and I was thinking the same thing. I hadn't heard anything from David. He rang yesterday. And as always, he let us know some pearls of wisdom, timely advice. He's always welcome on the show, and no doubt he'll be listening at the moment, but he's always welcome to ring at any time. Well, the annual Walk for Prems returns to Port Malcolm Reserve in Semaphore this weekend. To tell us about it is Madeline, a premmie mum and walker. Madeline, good morning to you. 01:32:12 Speaker 26: Good morning. 01:32:13 Speaker 6: How are you? 01:32:13 Speaker 2: Very well, thank you. Now, firstly, tell us, you're a premmie mum. What constitutes, what is a premmie mum? 01:32:20 Speaker 21: I guess a preemie mum is a mum who has a baby before 37 weeks because 37 weeks is considered full term. 01:32:29 Speaker 2: So it happened to your case as a surprise? Was it out of the blue or you knew it was coming? 01:32:36 Speaker 21: It was kind of a surprise. I was having issues with my pregnancy and then my water broke. And I ended up getting an infection and we welcomed Henry at 26 weeks on Christmas Eve. 01:32:50 Speaker 2: Oh, wow. What a great surprise. But I tell you what, a little bit sooner than you expected. 01:32:55 Speaker 3: Yes, definitely. 01:32:56 Speaker 2: So what issues with Henry being born? Obviously, a full-term baby, you know, they're in your arms and you can go home within two or three days. I guess it wasn't that way with Henry. 01:33:08 Speaker 21: No. So we ended up spending about four months in hospital in the NICU and special care at Women's and Children's. We still have issues and probably will for quite a long time with his health,

unfortunately, especially with his lungs. So the journey doesn't end at the hospital. 01:33:29 Speaker 2: So how old is he now? 01:33:31 Speaker 21: He is about to be 10 months old. 01:33:33 Speaker 3: Oh, lovely. 01:33:34 Speaker 2: Yeah. So as you say, there's a long haul. ahead of you, but I guess it's all been worth it. 01:33:40 Speaker 21: Yes, 100%. He's fantastic. 01:33:44 Speaker 2: One in seven babies in Australia require life-saving neonatal care. So I can understand why you want to take part because it's been vital in Henry's first formative months. 01:33:56 Speaker 21: Yes, definitely. And Life's Little Treasures Foundation have really supported us through our journey in the NICU and special care world. So we're definitely, we want to raise money for them and the support that they offer other NICU families like myself. 01:34:13 Speaker 2: So did you say he was four months in intensive care? 01:34:18 Speaker 18: Yes. 01:34:18 Speaker 21: So we spent, I think it was about two months in intensive care, so NICU, and then the rest of the time was in special care, which is still around the clock care, but not as intense, I guess you could say. 01:34:31 Speaker 2: Yeah. As a parent, what sort of, tension and pressures did that place on you? 01:34:38 Speaker 21: I guess a lot. There was a lot of anxiety, just going to the hospital, not being able to work whilst he was in hospital, a lot of pumping, so breastfeeding around the clock with no baby that was there and having to take that into the hospital. And just, yeah, everyday life looked a lot different and every day was a new day and a lot of struggles along the way. 01:35:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess there was that emotional adjustment too because all of a sudden you're a parent way ahead of when you thought it would be. 01:35:11 Speaker 21: Yes, it was a big shock and yeah, we were parents four months before we were meant to be parents. 01:35:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, so how are you coping now? Are you sort of adjusting to life as it is? 01:35:22 Speaker 21: Yeah, we're doing pretty well. Each day comes with new challenges and we still have a lot of specialist appointments that we need to attend. So we're just kind of definitely taking it day by day and seeing what it brings. 01:35:37 Speaker 2: So tell us the significance of Walk for Prems in your opinion. 01:35:42 Speaker 21: So Walk for Prems is really important because, like I just said, we were raising money for Life's Little Treasures Foundations. And they offer a lot of things for people with premature or sick babies. They offer emotional support. They've got peer support groups. They have a welcome pack that you can get and information and guidebooks and offer help for mental health and self-care resources. 01:36:11 Speaker 2: So what will happen with the funds raised by the preemie walk? 01:36:16 Speaker 21: So that will go back into the foundation and that will go towards helping other families with premature or sick babies like myself

with their welcome packs and all their support that they offer. 01:36:31 Speaker 2: People listening in might want to support you. Maybe they've had a Prem baby themselves. What's the best way they can help? 01:36:39 Speaker 21: If they go onto the Walk for Prems website, you are able to donate through there. You can pick a team or just donate straight to the foundation. 01:36:50 Speaker 2: And what sort of activities are going to be on the day other than the walk? 01:36:54 Speaker 21: There's going to be some speeches and I'm sure there will be lots of people there to speak with and other family members to meet that have had premature and sick babies. 01:37:07 Speaker 2: Well, Madeline, thanks for your time today. Lovely to hear the story of Henry. I'm sure he will have some stories to tell himself when he gets a little bit older. Thanks so much for your time. 01:37:16 Speaker 6: Yes, definitely. 01:37:17 Speaker 21: Thank you so much. 01:37:18 Speaker 2: Madeline, preemie mum and a walker at the event on this weekend. Walk for Prems, if you'd like to take part, go to the website that Madeline suggested. Prem babies, yeah. Will was born, I think he was about four weeks early. I don't know. He didn't qualify, but he was a little bit touch and go there to start with, but he managed to survive. They do a wonderful, wonderful job. There's no question about that. On the text line, hi there, Graham. How are you today? Great show, like always. Thank you for that. Just letting you know, my local pizza shop close to you gives me $ 2 off the order because I pay cash and most of the time slips in a free garlic bread. Well, I tell you what, that's service, isn't it? That's lovely. Let's take a call. Mark, good morning. 01:38:05 Speaker 16: Yeah, g'day, Graeme. Riveting show. 01:38:07 Speaker 2: Two points. 01:38:08 Speaker 16: I was a prim baby. I weighed less than a pound and a half of butter when I was. 01:38:13 Speaker 2: Whoa, really? 01:38:13 Speaker 16: Yep, 70 years ago. And I was saying to your producer that I was born down at the Henley Beach Community Hospital, which I don't know whether it's there anymore. But I got transferred from there to another place called Mareeba in a shoebox line with Coventry. 01:38:30 Speaker 1: Wool. 01:38:30 Speaker 16: You're kidding me. No, and mum and dad didn't actually get to cuddle me until I was four months old. But I'm fighting fit and I'm still here, mate. So back in 1956, that's pretty good. 01:38:43 Speaker 2: Probably they've learned a thing or two, but you survived and, you know, here to tell the story. 01:38:49 Speaker 16: Now, the other quick thing, mate, is the other day you were talking about how houses are encroaching on farmland and things like that. 01:38:56 Speaker 18: Yeah. 01:38:56 Speaker 16: I think about that, Graeme, every time I drive down the Southeastern Freeway to Adelaide and go past Mount Barker, that used to be all produce land. Yeah. And now it's just overrun with houses. 01:39:10 Speaker 2: It's a concern, isn't it? I mean, it's a short-term, it solves a solution, you know, housing for people. but we're losing such valuable land for farming. 01:39:22 Speaker 16: Exactly. And like you said the other day, I hope we don't get to the stage where we start importing our produce because we've got the best produce. 01:39:29 Speaker 2: In the world. Well, that's what scares me, Mark, because Australia is a big country, but when you look at how much arable land, good farming, good quality land there is, it's minuscule. It is absolutely tiny. At the moment, I think we can produce... three times the amount of food we need, which is wonderful. But our population is growing rapidly, 27 million at the moment, be 50 million within half a century or so. So that growing three times the amount of food will become half about that. And where are all those people going to live? And if they're going to live on farming property, and as I alluded to, all of a sudden we'll be looking overseas. We'll be looking to Southeast Asia to buy our food. and veg, fruit and veg. 01:40:13 Speaker 16: I mean, that's scary. It's sad to say, Graeme, but at your age and my age, we've seen probably the best of what Australia has had, and it's just going backwards at the moment. 01:40:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's a sad tale to tell. I think all of us, Mark, think that we had the best of it, but I'm really feeling that is the case, that the future generations are not going to have it as anywhere near As good as we've had it. 01:40:36 Speaker 18: As good as we've had it. 01:40:37 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:40:38 Speaker 16: Anyway, mate, I'll let you go. Once again, thank you very much for what you do. 01:40:41 Speaker 2: It's a pleasure, Mark. 01:40:43 Speaker 16: And it's always a pleasure. 01:40:44 Speaker 2: Talking to you. Good on you. Love to hear from you. 8223 0000 is the number to ring if you want to have a chat on any of the subjects we've been talking about. People should be wary of all small businesses. I stopped at a bakery in the Barossa before the surcharge changed and was charged a surcharge for paying in cash because it was a Sunday. Oh, that's... Well, I... What do they call that? That's because they're paying extra for staff. What do they call that tax? Yeah, often you go into a restaurant or a cafe on a public holiday and you pay a surcharge because they're having to pay extra for their staff. So, yeah, I feel your pain, but sadly it's a fact of life. Morning, Gigi. Nothing beats Macca's coffee, small flat white for $ 4. 85. 50 cents goes to their charity, Ronald McDonald House, and a great cause that is too. How far is too far when it comes to disciplining a child? We were talking about this a little bit earlier. New research reveals a startling tolerance for physical punishment among Australian adults. Two-thirds of those surveyed backing the use of a wooden spoon and half accepting a slap to the face. As the debate over parental rights and child

protection intensifies, the findings expose a troubling question. When does discipline become assault? Now, they talked about it on Breakfast, Will and Stacey, this morning on 5AA, and spoke with an authority on children, Dr Justin Coulson. This is what he had to say regarding consequences of smacking children. 01:42:15 Speaker 4: There's what we call a dose response to smacking. What that means is, you know the standard line, a little tap doesn't hurt, you just need to make sure you're not assaulting the child. Basically, the more a child is hit... and the more aggressively they're hit, the harder they're hit, and the higher up their body they're hit, then the worse the outcomes. And the research on that is quite clear. Now, I'm not using that as an excuse for a little tap now and then because, again, I think that the habit matters and finding better ways to discipline our children really matters. But if I'm going to have some integrity around what the research shows, I have to acknowledge that there is a quote-unquote dose response. So smaller doses... leads to small and negative outcomes. But the negative outcomes do exist. So it ruptures the relationship. It reduces the child's intrinsic motivation for doing the right thing. There is some research evidence that shows that it provokes a fear and anxiety response. And so kids, the more they're smacked, the more they become fearful of the very person that they're supposed to go to for comfort when they're having a hard time. that teaches lousy problem-solving skills. In fact, it just teaches that might is right. Research shows that the more a child is smacked, the more likely it is that they will use their physical capacity to bully and hurt others in terms of their peers in the playground. And one fascinating study about 15 years ago showed that at a nationwide level, the nations that are most likely to endorse physical punishment of children are there's a correlation between that and the likelihood that they're going to be embroiled in war. In other words, when we endorse violence in the family, we tend to endorse violence at all levels of society, including in the international community. The last thing that I'll quickly highlight is that there is some research that indicates thinner brain cortex. In other words, The brain is much more emotional and much less able to do the cognitive thinking. There is a little bit of a relationship, not a strong one, but a little bit of a relationship between smacking and IQ scores. But fundamentally, from my point of view, as much as all that's interesting, the data shows that smacking is not an effective way to change behavior. 01:44:33 Speaker 2: That was Dr. Justin Coulson speaking to Will and Stacey on 5AA Breakfast this morning. So how far do you think it is? How far should you go when disciplining a child? Were you brought up in the era of smack on the bum, smack around the legs? My mother had a way of doing it in public. She didn't smack, she pinched. So it didn't look like anything, but all of a sudden you'd burst into tears. I'm not recommending that or suggesting it, but that's just what happened. We live in a different era. From the text line, it's not just smacking that's happening. I saw an incident yesterday where a mum was screaming at a son who then grabbed him by the arm and wrenched him toward her. It was enough to cause injury. I don't know how she didn't dislocate his shoulder. It was disturbing. Your thoughts? Love to hear them. 8223 0000. Back after the break. 01:45:21 Speaker 7: 5AA Mornings with Graeme Goodings. 01:45:31 Speaker 2: 11 to 12, 5AA on this absolutely delightful Wednesday. Calls in a moment on 8223 0000. Frank says, when a 10-year-old is out at two in the morning, the media go, where are the parents? Why is he not at home? The parent tells the kid, no, you're staying home and hits him. He calls the cops on the parents and they get in trouble by the authorities. Frank, thank you. Gary, good morning. 01:45:55 Speaker 14: Good morning, Graeme. Yeah, we've actually been running a large-scale experiment on the effects of less smacking and physical discipline for decades now. And I think we need to ask ourselves, are we happy with the results? 01:46:07 Speaker 2: You don't think it's working? 01:46:09 Speaker 14: Do we have more respectful society? Do we have more polite young people? Is there less bullying in schools? Do we by any chance have bands of teenagers roaming the streets and, you know, launching attacks on unsuspecting teenagers sitting at the bus stop or something? Because there was a story about that on the news recently. 01:46:28 Speaker 2: I think they're very viable questions to ask, Gary. I do. I mean, I must say, on the surface, I am against, you know. 01:46:37 Speaker 2: Corporal punishment, hitting kids. And I got whacked as a kid, I must say, and I got belted at school with a cane across the backside and the like. But I take your point. Have children got out of control? And is the reason they're not disciplined enough? 01:46:54 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:46:55 Speaker 14: I think we have a huge epidemic of young people not able to control their emotions, regulate themselves. And I think it's got a lot to do with either not being disciplined properly or being disciplined badly. You should never smack a child in anger. It's a judicial sentence. It's not an emotional response. 01:47:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, we're seeing in the classroom that teachers are having, you know, all sorts of trouble trying to keep children under control. And, you know, that sort of discipline surely starts in the home. 01:47:26 Speaker 8: Absolutely. 01:47:28 Speaker 19: Absolutely. 01:47:28 Speaker 2: Good on you, Gary. No, you make some really good points and, you know, food for thought. Jack says... This guy talks rubbish. No, we're not talking about you, Gary. We're talking about Dr. Justin Coulson. I was smacked as a kid and certainly made me know the difference

between right and wrong. Brendan, what are your thoughts? 01:47:48 Speaker 8: Morning, Graeme. 01:47:50 Speaker 17: First up, younger days, my father could never catch me, but I was pretty good. But with our children, Helen and I never touched them, didn't have to. It's just, yeah, just work as a team and just respect them as a kid. But as a Norwood member and a Crow follower, my daughter, when she was about 14, thought she'd be smart. She said it a couple of times, said, oh, look, Dad, I might follow Port Adelaide. Kept it up for a few weeks I said, that's all right. 01:48:17 Speaker 11: I'll let her go. 01:48:18 Speaker 17: And as a farmer, and with livestock in her farm, whatever, I said, oh, she kept it up. And I said, that's all right, Annalise. You can go and live with the chooks. No more mention about joining Port Adelaide. 01:48:31 Speaker 2: That was it. The ultimate punishment. 01:48:35 Speaker 17: Yes, couldn't put it better myself. 01:48:36 Speaker 8: Literally, yeah. 01:48:38 Speaker 17: And I enjoyed the win at Adelaide Oval a couple of weeks ago. 01:48:42 Speaker 4: Magnificent, yes. 01:48:43 Speaker 2: Well done. Good on you, Brendan. 01:48:44 Speaker 4: Good on you. 01:48:45 Speaker 2: Cheers, mate. We all have our ways. How have you disciplined your kids over the years? And as I say, I'm very much against the smack. I can understand it. I'm not 100% one way or the other, but I think handing out, lashing your kid, hitting your kid, If it's done in a moment of anger, it's the wrong reason. It's the way. There's got to be a better way. But the way kids are today, maybe they need a little bit of corporal punishment. I make my coffee every morning black with a dash of almond milk. I brew ground Vittoria coffee beans in the Macaneta. Beautiful taste, a lot cheaper than buying out. Thank you for that. John says, with the bank charges on businesses, are the charges a business expense and can be claimed as a tax deduction? So if the business is charging extra, they are effectively double-dipping, charging the customer, and then claiming a tax deduction. Yeah, there's a very grey area with this area, the price of coffee, and all small businesses are being impacted. David says, I have watched enough television, CSI police shows, to know that the police should be able to identify and catch the main drug dealers in an hour. All things can be solved in an hour. Somebody once said to me, a news director I work with, I was in Eyewitness News seven years, I'm not sure which it was. He said, isn't it amazing that the news of the day always fits just neatly into an hour? Not too much, not too little. It just squeezes neatly into that hour. He's back. I can't believe this. Leith Forrest. Security. You're on board the ship. 01:50:20 Speaker 29: Clearly heard our chat yesterday because as the show finished, we finished up at four o'clock. We had half an hour to pack up and get off the ship. 01:50:30 Speaker 2: You were escorted off the ship. We were

escorted off. 01:50:31 Speaker 29: There was no chance of a stowaway. Madeline did her best. She tried to go incognito. Did not work. So very politely and kindly, but we did have a handler with us to make sure because I think the fine if the ship stays too long in outer harbour is immense. They have to be out at a certain time. So you always see passengers running to the cruise ship because if you are not there, they pull up the bridge and goodbye. 01:50:58 Speaker 2: I tell you what, I see the ships coming and going, and I saw the Crown Princess, and I got out the binoculars, and I'm looking, and that's Leith hanging over the bow rail. 01:51:08 Speaker 29: Who's that whale sitting by the pool with his shirt off? 01:51:11 Speaker 2: No, it wasn't me. So it wasn't you. 01:51:12 Speaker 29: It was not me, but it was such a fun day. Again, hopefully we're able to paint the picture for people, whether they're thinking about cruising or just to get an idea and sense. There might be some people, I was saying this to the boss earlier, and he mentioned that he's never been on a cruise ship. It's interesting for people to see what they're like. The idea of the love boat- It's very different to what a current cruise ship looks like. And you can see it on social media now where they put the Titanic up against a ship of today. 01:51:38 Speaker 1: It just gets dwarfed. 01:51:40 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. 01:51:40 Speaker 29: These things are gigantic. 01:51:42 Speaker 2: They are. They are. You can go on sample cruises, you know. 01:51:46 Speaker 9: Yes. 01:51:46 Speaker 2: You don't have to. I went on one out of Sydney and it was just sort of. A day and a half or three. They cruise around up or down to Newcastle or wherever it was and back again. 01:51:57 Speaker 29: So I think without speaking out of school, they're going to announce it officially, but I got the sense talking to people yesterday, the good news is those shorter cruises that disappear through COVID, I think they'll return. I think you'll be able to get a cruise ship out to, as you say, like to Kangaroo Island. So from Outer Harbour, go down to KI, spend some time on the island, then come back. 01:52:15 Speaker 2: Get a taste for it. Experience everything. 01:52:17 Speaker 29: I think you'll find... places like Port Lincoln also might be a chance to be a location. Not sure if the South East will get it, where they had previously with smaller ships like Robe, but I would think if you put your money on the Peninsula or KI in a year or so's time, you won't go wrong, which would be nice. 01:52:33 Speaker 2: COVID knocked cruising really bad. I mean, there were a couple of horrific stories of, you know, people, the whole people, everyone on board catching COVID. That's right. And some people thought cruising would never recover, but I think it's doing... Better now than it's ever done. 01:52:49 Speaker 29: Peter Williamson, Phil Hoffman will tell you that. I think people, when it was taken away from them, they said, wow, we are never going to experience travel or cruising again. When they got that opportunity post-COVID, they said, right. And I'm not sure if you heard the last couple that we had on yesterday, Graham, but there was a couple there from Port Macquarie who had been on 260 cruises in the last 16 years. 01:53:12 Speaker 2: Hang on. 15 a year. 15 cruises a year. 01:53:15 Speaker 29: And I was doing the maths on the way home. I forgot about the COVID years. So you can take probably one or two years off that. 01:53:22 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:53:22 Speaker 29: And I still squeezed in. So they are Princess Cruising's most cruised couple. They've been in the Pan Am market now like seven times. They're currently on this one around Australia. They've done this five or six times. I tried to get out of him. Did they win a lotto or are they just- It wouldn't be cheap. Mind you, the more you cruise, evidently, the better deals you get. There's 15 cruises a year. So you're doing on average one at least a month. And then coming home for five minutes, feeding the dog, and then going back for another. 01:53:50 Speaker 2: It was crazy. See, I'll be brutally honest with you. I've been on a couple of cruises. Man, it was good. And the one through the Mediterranean was wonderful because, you know. 01:53:58 Speaker 29: You're in the Mediterranean. 01:53:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And there's not days and days of just open ocean. 01:54:04 Speaker 18: Yes. 01:54:05 Speaker 2: And it was good to get off and get around that. But cruising, I've done that. 01:54:09 Speaker 29: No, there's a few people like that. I think I'm a bit like you. I like the port days. I'm not big on the sea days necessarily. But there are others who, there were so many people yesterday who didn't get off. They just stayed there and enjoyed the ship. They're like, well, we've seen Adelaide. We've done this. We don't need to. Bus loads of others. When we left at four, the buses were rolling in. They were coming from Arndorf and the Adelaide Hills. 01:54:28 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:54:28 Speaker 29: Great day all around, lots of money around. Coming up on the big show today, we're going to talk about Anthony Albanese having 59 assistants. So we'll talk about that. 01:54:36 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 01:54:37 Speaker 29: It's like an AFL football team when you see in the coach's box sometimes. 01:54:40 Speaker 2: But is he listening to them? Not sure. 01:54:42 Speaker 29: So we'll talk about that. And Anthony Marris is going to join us, Adelaide's own Hollywood director. He's got a new film called Pressure. He's coming home this weekend. This is the son of Theo Marris. He's coming home this weekend for the Adelaide Film Festival. If you love war and war history, his new film is called Pressure. It is about the meteorologists who helped save World War II with the D-Day landing. 01:55:04 Speaker 4: Oh, really? 01:55:04 Speaker 29: And so it's got Brendan Fraser and some other incredible actors in it, and it's written and directed by an Adelaidean in Anthony Mara. So he's going to join us on the show today. 01:55:13 Speaker 18: Brilliant. 01:55:13 Speaker 1: After one o'clock. 01:55:13 Speaker 2: Good on you, Lee. See you then. We'll see you then. That's it for today. Thanks so much for your company. I'd like to thank Jesse Smith for sitting in the director's chair. Well, I say the director, the boss's chair, doing so well. Sam Dutto will return, as I will, tomorrow. Have a great day.