Full Transcript for Episode 14: #Blessed

and fight a case against 58 00:03:55.110 --> 00:03:59.550 how ridiculous and overblown corn are is, because everybody was in on the joke 59 00:03:59.990 --> 00:04:05.069 definitely. And Yeah, the script is still very weird toy. The action 60 00:04:05.229 --> 00:04:11.900 still completely ridiculous. It does slightly, slightly, go off the rails at 61 00:04:11.900 --> 00:04:15.699 the ends, but for the most part it's just a it's just a great 62 00:04:15.740 --> 00:04:24.569 laugh. It's it's the perfect late night with cold bear and just verge out 63 00:04:24.649 --> 00:04:29.050 and knocks, not have to concentrate on anything. Perfect movie for that to. 64 00:04:29.170 --> 00:04:31.850 Yeah, I'm very, very much enjoyed re visiting that. I remember 65 00:04:31.889 --> 00:04:34.610 when Conn are opened, I think it was like June of that year, 66 00:04:34.649 --> 00:04:38.050 wasn't it? And we got it. funnily enough, we got it the 67 00:04:38.129 --> 00:04:41.120 week before America got it, because I remember America and us we kind of 68 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.079 lays. I think we switched around. They got face off first and we 69 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:48.600 got CONN air first, and I remember on the Friday in the Odeon Chelmsford 70 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:50.759 there the sound system. What they used to do is they used to have 71 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:55.149 issues of their sound system and the Friday night we usually be the night where 72 00:04:55.149 --> 00:04:57.790 they kind of tested the volumes on things. If you saw a film an 73 00:04:57.829 --> 00:05:00.550 opening an opening day at the Odeon Chelpsford, generally the volume is always too 74 00:05:00.589 --> 00:05:04.189 high and I remember literally, while watching Conn are, having to put my 75 00:05:04.350 --> 00:05:09.019 fingers in my ears because it was like being at some kind of like concert, 76 00:05:09.420 --> 00:05:12.620 it was so loud and over the top. But love don't be minute 77 00:05:12.660 --> 00:05:15.860 of it. went to see it the the next Sunday, which I think 78 00:05:15.860 --> 00:05:17.980 might have been a national cinema day, paid my power to go and watch 79 00:05:17.980 --> 00:05:21.569 it again and unfortunately they're all to the sound system. Or either that or 80 00:05:21.610 --> 00:05:30.569 I've gone deare so Keave, I know you mentionally just before we started recording 81 00:05:31.649 --> 00:05:38.079 you also been revisiting some things on on Disney plus star. Indeed, a 82 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:40.600 bit of a bit of a bit of a Qusac link. Yeah, well, 83 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:42.639 like I was saying to you guys earlier, to be very surprised to 84 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:44.920 see there's a lot of the films are popped up on star seems to be 85 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:47.920 kind of late late s early naughties. You can kind of see who was 86 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:51.750 under contract by either touchstone or Hollywood pitches at that time and you get a 87 00:05:51.829 --> 00:05:56.189 lot of films with the same act as in I mentioned earlier. Huh, 88 00:05:56.509 --> 00:05:59.470 there was it hankers area, who POPs up in gross point blank, which 89 00:05:59.470 --> 00:06:01.949 I watched recently with John Cusack, and obviously high fidelity as well. That 90 00:06:02.069 --> 00:06:04.540 was on there. So I've been watching those and it's the first time I 91 00:06:04.540 --> 00:06:09.220 actually I've seen either of them in hd and it was quite good. Actually 92 00:06:09.259 --> 00:06:12.259 seemed to be quite a lot of more effort than you would have thought of 93 00:06:12.300 --> 00:06:14.220 gone into the master end of Theok. So I know they've been released on 94 00:06:14.300 --> 00:06:17.689 Blu Ray and but I've I hadn't actually ever seen them on anything other than 95 00:06:17.810 --> 00:06:20.889 like a standard dvd that was quite impressed with the transfers. They were quite 96 00:06:20.889 --> 00:06:25.410 good. So yeah, connor at the custody, Connor, gross point blank 97 00:06:25.449 --> 00:06:29.129 and high fidelity, with two films that I I'm happy to report, are 98 00:06:29.170 --> 00:06:31.920 still as good today as they were back then. Well, fantastic. So 99 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:35.319 that's one thing, a particularly with high fidelity. I mean I watched gross 100 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:42.120 point blank reasonably recently and still very much enjoyed it, but I've not seen 101 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:46.879 high fidelity since it was released. So how that holds up, it's found 102 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:48.709 over time. You know what sticky with coming some of the sexual politics. 103 00:06:48.750 --> 00:06:51.230 Yes, involved in it, some of the sexual politics. And there is 104 00:06:51.269 --> 00:06:55.550 actually just the the TV show isn't there that's just started, the phip fidelity 105 00:06:55.790 --> 00:06:59.550 with female and the kind of like the the role, the protagonist role, 106 00:06:59.629 --> 00:07:02.699 that's John Hughes outplayed in this one. Still Zoey Crofts, Zoe Kravitz. 107 00:07:02.699 --> 00:07:08.259 Yeah, who's actually Lisa bone was in the high fidelity film. Is a 108 00:07:08.300 --> 00:07:10.939 mom right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so there we go. So 109 00:07:11.100 --> 00:07:13.980 it's all full circle. But yeah, you're right, the sexual politics. 110 00:07:14.180 --> 00:07:15.689 I did watch it with my fiance safe and the first time she'd ever seen 111 00:07:15.730 --> 00:07:18.089 it, and there's a lot of kind of moments in it, but then 112 00:07:18.170 --> 00:07:23.810 you realize that was me argue in this point, that the fact that you 113 00:07:23.889 --> 00:07:26.970 know the point of the film is is that he's obviously not a very mature 114 00:07:27.009 --> 00:07:29.209 guying and he's got to do a lot of growing up and he's got to 115 00:07:29.209 --> 00:07:31.319 come to tales of a lot of things

about himself as well. So initially 116 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:34.279 you look at it and you go, Oh dear, this hasn't aged very 117 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.680 well, and as film goes on you realize that it was supposed to be 118 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:40.480 that way, even though I used to very much identify him, certainly more 119 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:43.199 than I did Martin Blank or grace point blank, because I'm not a hit 120 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:50.069 man indeed. So, Chris Craig, have you been checking out anything of 121 00:07:50.230 --> 00:07:56.350 interested late? Well, I actually got to using start, I got to 122 00:07:56.509 --> 00:08:00.779 watch a Racnophobia, which is I mentioned a couple of podcasts a go as 123 00:08:00.819 --> 00:08:03.620 something I was looking forward to. I had to wait till the rest of 124 00:08:03.740 --> 00:08:07.939 my family were out just because the sheer idea that I'm watching a film about 125 00:08:07.899 --> 00:08:13.689 spiders would probably, you know, Send Them Bananas. And I I thoroughly 126 00:08:13.769 --> 00:08:16.970 enjoyed it and I love the score and I mentioned that a couple of podcasts 127 00:08:18.009 --> 00:08:24.889 ago and it just its sounded wonderful, looked great. It's as creepy as 128 00:08:24.930 --> 00:08:28.360 I remember it being and I don't really have a problem with spiders, but 129 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:33.200 it gives you that kind of Oh, more than eight legged freaks ever did 130 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:35.799 for me, and it was a it was just a wonderful trip down and 131 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.440 we lay not by any stretch at one of my favorite films, but just 132 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.590 just took me right back and absolutely loved it. I say yeah, and 133 00:08:43.710 --> 00:08:46.789 then, obviously, being what we're obviously watching, what we're going to be 134 00:08:48.070 --> 00:08:50.389 reviewing today as well. I didn't think, I don't think I could watch 135 00:08:50.389 --> 00:08:54.950 a rataphobia on my own. Are you Craig in your household, the person 136 00:08:54.070 --> 00:08:58.779 that throws spiders out of the door? Yes, yeah, it was, 137 00:08:58.820 --> 00:09:03.379 but it was just like executes the spider policy, which is usually opening windows 138 00:09:03.419 --> 00:09:07.059 or something like that. But yeah, I put the glass over the top 139 00:09:07.100 --> 00:09:11.970 of it and then piece of cardboard underneath and then, yeah, text Fu 140 00:09:11.490 --> 00:09:16.370 out of the window. Great. I used to be a bit like Evan 141 00:09:16.529 --> 00:09:18.129 in the way that I wouldn't be the one to deal with the spiders, 142 00:09:18.210 --> 00:09:24.480 and then fatherhood happened and it became necessary that I became the one that that 143 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.639 evacuated the spiders from the house, particularly on one occasion there was one that 144 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:37.840 was probably equivalent size on spiders interacnophobia right outside my daughter's room shaving. It 145 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:41.549 was. It was it was a big lad and apparently all that could be 146 00:09:41.590 --> 00:09:46.990 heard from downstairs is me repeating the phrase Oh God over and over again. 147 00:09:46.990 --> 00:09:50.549 And so as I was getting closer closer to it, which got quicker the 148 00:09:50.710 --> 00:09:56.500 closer closer I got to this, why don't I've got that's what that was. 149 00:09:56.659 --> 00:10:00.980 I was indeed. Yes, yeah, but but, yeah, ever 150 00:10:01.059 --> 00:10:05.379 since then I've been I've been a lot cooler about it, but yeah, 151 00:10:05.460 --> 00:10:09.809 so, yeah, I really need to check a rcnophobia out. Gonna know 152 00:10:09.850 --> 00:10:13.210 I said that when we discussed it last time, but it's a gay it's 153 00:10:13.250 --> 00:10:15.289 just one of those films. It takes you back to a time and it 154 00:10:15.450 --> 00:10:18.970 was just it's just great fun and care if you do have to check it 155 00:10:18.090 --> 00:10:22.840 out, it's I saw it when I was young and I've not I don't 156 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:24.919 know it did. Be Honest, that may have been the film that hit 157 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.480 me over the edge of the spiders. Maybe the way I am with spiders 158 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.000 now is because of that. Film. Yes, I don't think it helps 159 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.440 me. When I was younger that I was, I was developing this fear 160 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:39.950 and then watched the Rightnaphobe I was like that, screw that. Well, 161 00:10:39.110 --> 00:10:43.350 when we all have a big watch party all together, we'll do it. 162 00:10:43.549 --> 00:10:50.820 We'll do it together in it's say, will hold your hands. I'll just 163 00:10:50.980 --> 00:10:52.740 focus on the music. I'M SUS is Craig's recommended it. I focus on 164 00:10:52.779 --> 00:10:58.299 the Wonderful School Chris is only thing you've been checking out. I rewatched firefly. 165 00:11:01.100 --> 00:11:07.370 It's been a long time since I've since I've watched that beautiful one season 166 00:11:07.610 --> 00:11:15.570 long show, and then I went on to rewatch the sort of film serenity. 167 00:11:16.009 --> 00:11:18.000 I do like serenity. Serenity is good. Yeah, so it was 168 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:20.879 good. It was good to revisit those characters and see, you know, 169 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:28.679 Nathan Phillion and all that, those people back together again. I guess maybe 170 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.159 it has a nostalgic feel to me because I do love it. But also 171 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.110 we were we were chatting about cowboys a few episodes back and you know, 172 00:11:35.190 --> 00:11:39.590 it's a it's a classic space cowboy and I think. I think so. 173 00:11:39.789 --> 00:11:43.149 That was fine. It was fun to rewhy I think the disturbing thing about

174 00:11:43.190 --> 00:11:46.429 you saying it's nostalgic, because I come I feel that that film has been 175 00:11:46.509 --> 00:11:50.419 released in recent history. Yeah, it's a bit like fight club. I 176 00:11:50.460 --> 00:11:52.259 count fight clubs a film that was released recently. In fact it was twenty 177 00:11:52.299 --> 00:11:58.100 one years ago. Yeah, good Lord. Yeah, I mean we're talking 178 00:11:58.539 --> 00:12:03.250 sixteen years. I think, for serenity, I believe it's two thousand and 179 00:12:03.289 --> 00:12:07.889 five. So I mean even that. Yeah, that that's not recent history. 180 00:12:09.250 --> 00:12:13.690 When determinator three come out, that was two thousand and four. Three, 181 00:12:13.730 --> 00:12:18.440 might be thousand and three. Two. Yeah, that was two thousand 182 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:26.200 and three. Yeah, Oh, okay. Moving on all one thing I 183 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:31.789 did. I caught up on little little name check to a friend of the 184 00:12:31.870 --> 00:12:37.830 podcast and fellow podcast am from verbal Diorama. Me and I'm have instituted a 185 00:12:39.429 --> 00:12:43.110 twice weekly move it virtual movie night where we either see things that we both 186 00:12:43.190 --> 00:12:48.779 like or introduce each other to two films that we like and then have a 187 00:12:48.820 --> 00:12:50.899 bit of a catch up in a conflag afterwards. And I saw for the 188 00:12:50.940 --> 00:12:56.779 very first time on Saturday night the iron giant being birds. Yes, I 189 00:12:56.899 --> 00:13:01.809 say being a Brad Bird Fan. It's a bit of a gap in my 190 00:13:03.649 --> 00:13:07.769 in my filmography and what a delightful film that was. Did you pry? 191 00:13:09.009 --> 00:13:15.120 Really iron really sweet and really lovely? Did you cry? I didn't cry. 192 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:20.200 I did I did feel the emotion, but I didn't cry. Okay, 193 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:22.000 well, well, now, just now, just think of the deep, 194 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:28.190 deep, yeah, yeah, stock trying to break me. It's not 195 00:13:28.269 --> 00:13:33.070 going to work. It's my job. I still say it's probably. It's 196 00:13:33.070 --> 00:13:35.269 probably a vow. That's why, you know, tell us what you know 197 00:13:35.629 --> 00:13:43.139 in diesel career, highlight that. Yes, I don't know. A grouts 198 00:13:43.899 --> 00:13:46.659 groups up there. Yeah, he's a maybe he's he's just good with voices. 199 00:13:46.659 --> 00:13:48.740 Maybe that will be the thing. Maybe he's got a great voice. 200 00:13:48.779 --> 00:13:52.019 You can't you can't die. That's a great boy, you know, but 201 00:13:52.379 --> 00:13:54.100 when you put him up against the Rock, he's like there was it? 202 00:13:54.220 --> 00:13:56.889 Someone said that he looks like the Rock when you've left him over night in 203 00:13:56.929 --> 00:14:01.929 the bath. Not My words. I don't know where that came from. 204 00:14:03.570 --> 00:14:07.250 Speaking of another film that I we talked about in the last episode and it's 205 00:14:07.289 --> 00:14:11.279 one that want to catch up catch up with again. But I was on 206 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:16.200 Netflix searching for something to watch and the trailer or the clip started for saving 207 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:22.120 private Ryan and it's easy to forget the Vin diesels actually in saving private ride 208 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:30.509 and there was a nice little moment where they're talking about how the Tom Hanks 209 00:14:30.549 --> 00:14:35.309 Miller character would address his complaints to a senior officer. Yeah, this is 210 00:14:35.389 --> 00:14:37.309 a nice little moment with it with in diesel and there in. Yeah, 211 00:14:37.389 --> 00:14:41.539 he's, he has the moment. So it's very easy to forget that he 212 00:14:41.620 --> 00:14:46.820 was in a Prov yes, yeah, verbs, yeah, we're going to 213 00:14:48.299 --> 00:14:50.259 the mile spoilers, but yes, he's. He doesn't. He's not in 214 00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:56.250 there for very long. So right. So shall we talk about some of 215 00:14:56.330 --> 00:15:01.450 the newer films that we have been catching up on in this past week or 216 00:15:01.490 --> 00:15:03.690 so? Yes, please, it's do it fabulous. So the first of 217 00:15:03.769 --> 00:15:11.000 our films this episode is a much belated sequel. It's coming to America. 218 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:16.639 Are Directed by Craig Brewer and starring, obviously, Eddie Murphy and our sending 219 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.870 Oh hall, and bringing back good proportion of the the original cast, including 220 00:15:22.230 --> 00:15:28.149 Sherry Headley, James Old Jones and a lot of other even smaller bit parts 221 00:15:28.269 --> 00:15:35.429 that just turned up for a couple of moments throughout the previous film, as 222 00:15:35.470 --> 00:15:39.299 well as Leslie Jones and Jermaine Fowler and Tracy Morgan also joining the cast this 223 00:15:39.419 --> 00:15:46.259 time, as well as Mr Wesley Snipes in a small supporting role. So 224 00:15:46.659 --> 00:15:50.769 I went to watch coming to America on Amazon Prime. I believe Kev and 225 00:15:50.889 --> 00:15:54.409 Craig, you've both check this out as well. Have indeed. Yes, 226 00:15:54.529 --> 00:16:00.169 I took the liberty of watching coming to America after a roast dinner on a 227 00:16:00.169 --> 00:16:03.009 Sunday afternoon. I thought I'm going to put this on, sit back and 228 00:16:03.049 --> 00:16:04.120 have a good laugh, because coming to America, the one from one thousand 229 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.200 nine hundred and eighty eight, the original one that that was. It was 230 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:08.519 one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight, wasn't it? Yeah, yes, 231 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:14.279 that was. It was one of growing up, my key my films I 232 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:15.960 watched like throughout my

childhood over and over again. I can quote it, 233 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:19.389 you know, I can quote it to the cows come home. But the 234 00:16:19.950 --> 00:16:22.470 thing about it was, it seems, having a little bit naughty about it, 235 00:16:22.509 --> 00:16:26.029 little bit dirty, because it was like a John Landis film, wasn't 236 00:16:26.070 --> 00:16:27.230 it? At the time? And he obviously come off of the back of 237 00:16:27.509 --> 00:16:32.549 a working with Eddie Murphy, with in trading places, which is obviously another 238 00:16:32.549 --> 00:16:33.860 kind of like a te he all this is a little bit rude. I 239 00:16:33.860 --> 00:16:37.779 shouldn't be watching this movie back when I was a kid. And I think 240 00:16:38.019 --> 00:16:44.379 the thing about coming to America is it's probably everything you would expect it to 241 00:16:44.460 --> 00:16:48.009 be, but it lacks, in my opinion, the kind of bite and 242 00:16:48.210 --> 00:16:52.490 fun and kind of like a little bit kind of all naughtiness rawness. I 243 00:16:52.529 --> 00:16:55.809 suppose that the original coming to America had, and I think a lot of 244 00:16:55.929 --> 00:16:57.769 it is and it's not really been mentioned anywhere. Really, I love him 245 00:16:57.769 --> 00:17:03.200 or hate him, the absence of John Landis here is really felt, I 246 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:06.279 think, and I think Craig Brew at one for Director and everything, but 247 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:08.240 I think with John Landis what he used to be able to get out of 248 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:15.359 Eddie Murphy in trading places and in the original coming to America is kind of 249 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:18.950 lacking here and I think Eddie Murphy is obviously got a larger kind of production 250 00:17:18.029 --> 00:17:23.269 credit credit over this. He's more about it. It's this is this is 251 00:17:23.349 --> 00:17:26.750 post Eddie Murphy. This is post haunted mansion Eddie Murphy. This is the 252 00:17:26.789 --> 00:17:32.500 Eddie Murphy that you know has gone through around the the houses of making films 253 00:17:32.579 --> 00:17:34.180 for his kids and all of that kind of stuff. So I think we're 254 00:17:34.180 --> 00:17:37.619 at a point now where this film is very safe and it seems a very 255 00:17:37.619 --> 00:17:41.539 odd property for them to have rebooted to put a safe Eddie Murphy Murphy vehicle 256 00:17:41.579 --> 00:17:44.259 out, if you know what I mean. Yeah, it was that kind 257 00:17:44.259 --> 00:17:45.809 of thing where a lot of people going to come to it in the film 258 00:17:45.809 --> 00:17:48.450 pretty much just, in my opinion, plays as a play by playoff. 259 00:17:48.569 --> 00:17:51.329 Hey remember this point in the first film? Why don't you go back and 260 00:17:51.450 --> 00:17:53.049 watch it? Hey Go back and watch it. Remember these characters? They 261 00:17:53.049 --> 00:17:56.690 were funny. Won't they go back and watch

them? The original brilliant, 262 00:17:56.730 --> 00:17:59.559 because we can't really swear here, and I will say this is not going 263 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.160 to give anything away. The entire film goes through without it. I was 264 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.079 sitting there thinking to myself, I wonder when they're going to dispense the F 265 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.480 bomb. They're single bomb that they're allowed in a PGE, thus three hundred 266 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.519 and twelve a. When are they going to drop it? And they don't 267 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.109 drop it. They go the entire film without single F bomb, and that 268 00:18:14.230 --> 00:18:17.670 in an Eddie Murphy sequel to a comedy. That was the kind of Rawn 269 00:18:17.829 --> 00:18:21.710 one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight movie that you know the types of movies 270 00:18:21.710 --> 00:18:23.910 that used to make was, in my opinion, a bit of a letdown. 271 00:18:23.950 --> 00:18:27.259 I'm not saying that swearing speaking clever chaps, but it would have certainly 272 00:18:27.299 --> 00:18:32.059 helped here. I think, craive, I think compare and contrast. Just 273 00:18:32.339 --> 00:18:34.980 so to joe quickly. I after watching coming to America, I did need 274 00:18:36.019 --> 00:18:40.259 a bit of classic Eddie Murphy and Went Back and watch the original Beverly Hills 275 00:18:40.339 --> 00:18:44.529 Cop and you know the obviously he's got youth on his side. He was 276 00:18:44.809 --> 00:18:48.329 a fresh twenty three year old then, but it's that energy and I don't 277 00:18:48.690 --> 00:18:52.450 I don't feel that he had the same energy or the vitality about the role. 278 00:18:52.609 --> 00:19:00.039 He seemed really muted by comparison in this most definitely ay after having the 279 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.160 part claims with watch him as actual fold who was, you know, it 280 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:06.799 was good to see, you know, a bit of full fight a dye 281 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:11.549 murphy got given it, the dialog and the the the naughty words, but 282 00:19:11.750 --> 00:19:17.670 also the just that energy and the humor and the yeah, I think in 283 00:19:17.789 --> 00:19:19.829 his day he was so, so great. Yeah, Eddie Murphy's cut. 284 00:19:19.910 --> 00:19:22.829 He wants to do a comeback, doesn't he? It's what you want to 285 00:19:22.829 --> 00:19:25.940 do when he's got the netflix specials that he apparently he's got coming in that 286 00:19:26.019 --> 00:19:29.539 Comedians in cars drinking coffee that he did with Jerry Seinfeld. He was talking 287 00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:30.700 about how he's coming back, he's going to be raw. He's right, 288 00:19:30.819 --> 00:19:33.299 new material. Two Thousand and twenty was supposed to be the year we went 289 00:19:33.339 --> 00:19:37.539 back out in the circuit started doing comedy again. And then either possibility of 290 00:19:37.539 --> 00:19:41.410

the new Beverly Hills Cup film, beverials cop forward that Netflix are going to 291 00:19:41.450 --> 00:19:42.450 buy and all of that kind of stuff, and I thought, okay, 292 00:19:42.529 --> 00:19:45.930 what a great place to start would be a sequel to coming to America. 293 00:19:45.970 --> 00:19:48.130 Let's see how it goes. And then in the moment I saw that pg 294 00:19:48.289 --> 00:19:51.930 thirteen rating, I was like, okay, I think this is going to 295 00:19:52.009 --> 00:19:53.680 be a film that's probably going to be very muted. I think a lot 296 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:56.359 of the characters in it, for example Wesley Snipes, general is. He 297 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.039 was a character that on the trailers you looked at and thought, well, 298 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.480 that's going to be quite biting and quite controversial, but in fact was none 299 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:06.240 of that the whole film that I didn't really even though it tried to do 300 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:07.750 the kind of like hey, let's be a little bit risky. It never 301 00:20:07.829 --> 00:20:11.829 actually took that dive. Craig, what did you think of it all? 302 00:20:11.829 --> 00:20:17.269 I'm going to be controversial here. I never really liked coming to America. 303 00:20:17.470 --> 00:20:22.420 Was My least favorite of the Eddie Murphy films when I was growing up and 304 00:20:22.140 --> 00:20:27.099 my family would put it on and I would watch or maybe just walk out 305 00:20:27.140 --> 00:20:32.819 the room. So I didn't hold out much hope for really liking this one 306 00:20:32.940 --> 00:20:37.049 or finding it too enjoyable. But I found it fun, you know, 307 00:20:37.369 --> 00:20:41.410 and the thing that I that took away from it was it looked like everybody 308 00:20:41.410 --> 00:20:45.650 had a great time making the movie in which is why I think they perhaps 309 00:20:45.690 --> 00:20:48.569 put that, you know, the snippets at the end of, you know, 310 00:20:48.690 --> 00:20:52.640 the blooper real and so on. It is like they've made a diet 311 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:57.440 version of come into America and it seemed to me like they were trying to 312 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:02.440 address the balance of okay, we know that we were, you know, 313 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:06.309 misguided with some of the things like the sexiest preacher that I think they mentioned 314 00:21:06.309 --> 00:21:11.190 that three times, that he was a sexist preacher, and it just like 315 00:21:11.430 --> 00:21:15.390 they were trying to atone for that, you know, in today's society. 316 00:21:15.710 --> 00:21:18.819 I found it an easy watch you know, the strong I thought the younger 317 00:21:18.980 --> 00:21:26.140 cast were probably the stronger. For me it was it was okay at best. 318 00:21:27.180 --> 00:21:30.740 I would perhaps, you know, if I was to give it out 319 00:21:30.779 --> 00:21:33.170 of five, I'd probably go two and a half, maybe stretch into three. 320 00:21:34.369 --> 00:21:37.490 It, like I say, enjoyable. I really liked Wesley Snipes. 321 00:21:38.089 --> 00:21:41.970 In fact it's he seemed to be having a great time. I think agree. 322 00:21:42.170 --> 00:21:45.930 Had you gone to a fifteen, then you know, you can let 323 00:21:45.970 --> 00:21:48.680 them go a little bit more and maybe have them, you know, like 324 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.680 the Eddie Murphy where he could riff with with anybody. If you had a 325 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.079 little bit more of that, then maybe they'd be more to see in the 326 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:00.200 screen and on the Final Cup maybe. Yeah, it kind of felt like 327 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:02.670 there were two films going on. There was the hey, look this, 328 00:22:02.789 --> 00:22:04.549 go back and see the old characters again and revisit them, and then there 329 00:22:04.589 --> 00:22:07.230 was the kind of like the Jermain flowler story, of him finding he's, 330 00:22:07.309 --> 00:22:11.029 you know, like the younger generation. You kind of get the idea that 331 00:22:11.349 --> 00:22:12.589 maybe in the future they're like old you not be great as if we do 332 00:22:12.670 --> 00:22:15.539 a third one we focus more on the kids and you know all that kind 333 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:18.220 of stuff. But you're right you think you hit the nail on the head 334 00:22:18.259 --> 00:22:21.180 there, Craig, and you were saying they were trying to redress some of 335 00:22:21.180 --> 00:22:22.099 the kind of balance of that and I think that's kind of what it is 336 00:22:22.180 --> 00:22:25.980 read it was kind of like a weird wearing a aology, but the cast 337 00:22:26.579 --> 00:22:32.970 it was basically anyone who's anyone in the kind of like African American community basically 338 00:22:33.009 --> 00:22:34.849 got a role in it and was doing well, with exception of Dave Chappelle, 339 00:22:34.970 --> 00:22:38.009 who I think was going to have a role and I senio hall had 340 00:22:38.049 --> 00:22:42.970 to take it because he wasn't available on that particular day. But I think 341 00:22:44.009 --> 00:22:48.359 the the best sequences in it are the kind of throwback sequences like the Bible 342 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.079 Bishop with Eddie Murphy and Usenio Hall when they're doing that bad to backwards and 343 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:55.759 forward. And I did read a an interview recently with Eddie Murphy that said 344 00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:59.829 that he basically sees or speaks to our senior hall like every for the last 345 00:22:59.910 --> 00:23:03.869 like thirty years. Is spoken to him like twice a week for thirty years 346 00:23:03.910 --> 00:23:06.589 and you can really see that friendship there and it made me think actually it 347 00:23:06.630 --> 00:23:08.549 was a shame that Ar Senio Hall when he went from Movies into talk showed 348 00:23:08.630 --> 00:23:11.750 and he he was.

You do the kind of like the late shows, 349 00:23:11.430 --> 00:23:15.460 interview shows with me over in the states. We're actually lost him from the 350 00:23:15.940 --> 00:23:18.019 you know, from the sort of mainstream films, and that was a shame 351 00:23:18.019 --> 00:23:22.460 because he was, he's actually still a very, very funny guy. Yeah, 352 00:23:22.980 --> 00:23:27.289 definitely, definitely. I think I'd largely agree with with what you guys 353 00:23:27.369 --> 00:23:32.809 have said. I think Yo spends too much a proportion of the film retread 354 00:23:32.890 --> 00:23:37.769 in those beats and gags from the first film, but once it hits its 355 00:23:37.809 --> 00:23:41.119 group and starts focus in, particularly on Laval, you know, I think 356 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.359 it becomes that bit more likable. I know Jermaine Fowler has got a real 357 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:51.839 charisma about him and he was very watchable in that role. And it's also 358 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:56.869 a brave film that devote it was a whole story beat mocking belated and unnecessary 359 00:23:56.950 --> 00:24:00.950 sequels. Yeah, which is which are? That's the thing, because that's 360 00:24:00.990 --> 00:24:03.869 I've seen that brought up in so many reviews and everything like that and I 361 00:24:03.950 --> 00:24:07.789 kind of think to myself, I watch a revisited twenty two jump street recently 362 00:24:07.150 --> 00:24:11.140 and as far as I'm concerned, I don't think any film can make jokes 363 00:24:11.180 --> 00:24:15.460 about rebooks and see it anymore, because I think twenty two jump street smashed 364 00:24:15.500 --> 00:24:18.619 it out of the park with the yeah observation and that seemed a little bit 365 00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:21.420 kind of lazy or the feeling that you kind of get the feeling that joke 366 00:24:21.500 --> 00:24:23.369 was relevant when the script was written, and that was probably about fifteen years 367 00:24:23.369 --> 00:24:27.890 ago. Possibly they can, quite possibly, I think, of the of 368 00:24:29.049 --> 00:24:33.970 the callbacks, the only one, because they kept repeating the the lady barking 369 00:24:34.009 --> 00:24:38.200 like a dog too many times and it which wasn't that funny in the first 370 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:45.759 place. There is one kind of callback that happens in the kind of the 371 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:48.920 final reel the film, and that's the one that genuinely made me smile and 372 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:53.309 gave me a good laugh. I'd like, like Craig said, was the 373 00:24:53.390 --> 00:24:59.190 size is clearly having an absolute ball and that carries that carries over as well. 374 00:25:00.470 --> 00:25:03.630 But it's just interesting. Going back to what kept said about Eddie Murphy, 375 00:25:03.670 --> 00:25:07.339 wanted to kind of go back to that. That more an open, 376 00:25:07.460 --> 00:25:11.420 intended, raw style of his, that this is the film that follows dolomite. 377 00:25:11.500 --> 00:25:17.740 Is My name, which felt a bit more in that that direction. 378 00:25:17.859 --> 00:25:23.450 Freddie Murphy. That that was quite quite edgy by comparison, definitely at one 379 00:25:23.490 --> 00:25:30.650 file mouth and quite quite good fun. This just feels like it's gone safer 380 00:25:30.730 --> 00:25:33.529 again. Yeah, I mean it's certainly doing its thing, isn't it? 381 00:25:33.569 --> 00:25:36.359 Really? It's the kind of a nice thing to kind of way, to 382 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:37.839 be honest, it's quite a nice thing to watch with your family and a 383 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.599 Chili's bonus. I probably would say that is true of the first one, 384 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:44.160 but there. Do you know? You just I've got things here that'll make 385 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:49.309 your end blush. Yeah, so that's coming to America and that's on Amazon 386 00:25:49.349 --> 00:25:53.990 prime now. So moving over to a film that Chris and myself of both 387 00:25:55.109 --> 00:26:00.509 watched on Netflix, and it's called Moxie, directed by the brilliant amy polar. 388 00:26:00.750 --> 00:26:04.420 So, inspired by MOM's rebellious past and confident new friend, a shy 389 00:26:04.539 --> 00:26:08.940 sixteen year old publishes an anonymous Zene calling out the sexism at her school. 390 00:26:11.140 --> 00:26:17.140 So it stars Amy Polar, Haley Robinson in her the central Vivian character, 391 00:26:17.180 --> 00:26:22.769 laurence, signs at best friend Claudia and Alicia, Pascal Pennya as the new 392 00:26:22.849 --> 00:26:27.289 friend in school, Lucy Andandez. It also has in the supporting cast son 393 00:26:27.490 --> 00:26:33.079 of the Austrian oak himself. Arnold Swartzenegger, is some Patrick Schwartzenegger. That's 394 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:36.920 indeed. It does indeed, yeah, who just as a little sidebar, 395 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:44.720 he plays a great douchebag and isn't until it isn't until he smiles that you 396 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:48.029 can see the similarity with his dad. Yeah, so there's there's there's a 397 00:26:48.109 --> 00:26:52.990 real look of his dad. They're but yeah, he pulls off the all 398 00:26:53.069 --> 00:26:57.470 American jock very well. Yeah, horrible, horrible character, but yes, 399 00:26:57.630 --> 00:27:02.460 pulls off the jock very, very well. Chris, how did you find 400 00:27:02.539 --> 00:27:08.339 Moxy? I I admit that I got sucked into it. I think I 401 00:27:08.539 --> 00:27:15.089 have a slightly unique perspective on it because I went to an American high school. 402 00:27:15.089 --> 00:27:22.569 Yeah, and yes, it plays with clicks and cliches and and those 403 00:27:22.650 --> 00:27:26.890 sorts of high school movie, American High School Movie tropes that are out there. 404 00:27:26.930 --> 00:27:34.079 Yeah, but I also think that it's it's selfaware enough that it doesn't 405 00:27:34.160 -->

00:27:40.119 delve too deep into those sort of tropes. You know they exist, you 406 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:44.670 know they're there, they surround all of the characters, but they aren't called 407 00:27:44.750 --> 00:27:49.309 out because that isn't the message of the film. Yeah, it starts with 408 00:27:49.789 --> 00:27:55.950 a sequence in the woods. I couldn't tell coming out of it if it 409 00:27:56.230 --> 00:28:03.940 was a smart telling choice or if it was trying to be too poignant. 410 00:28:03.220 --> 00:28:08.259 I understood the message. Yeah, I got it. She's she can't scream 411 00:28:08.299 --> 00:28:14.930 at the beginning. She doesn't have a voice. Yeah, but I got 412 00:28:15.410 --> 00:28:19.250 it's it? For me, it hit and miss in in different places. 413 00:28:19.609 --> 00:28:23.170 Yeah, I think that's that's a really good way of putting that's that's one 414 00:28:23.210 --> 00:28:29.319 thing I found with it that the central message of the film is, you 415 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.559 know, it's really noble in that in that respect and I think it's really 416 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:37.680 timely in that respect because the way that the Moxie magazine is is produced is 417 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:42.470 to call out that kind of the Patriarchy and the sexism in the school. 418 00:28:42.470 --> 00:28:49.029 It's prompted by a publication of a list of all of the different categories, 419 00:28:51.269 --> 00:28:55.859 ranking all of the girls in the school from you know, crew things, 420 00:28:55.900 --> 00:29:02.339 it's kind of most bangable, and looking at their their individual assets and ranking 421 00:29:02.500 --> 00:29:07.220 them just that very those are very clean way of putting the yeah, yeah, 422 00:29:07.259 --> 00:29:14.569 it was individual assets interesting and and kind of the natural frustration around that. 423 00:29:15.890 --> 00:29:21.890 And you know, you see in certain characters that there are quite aggressive 424 00:29:22.170 --> 00:29:30.039 bullying, harassment tendencies and it almost starts a little bit like maybe it's going 425 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:36.440 to go down a slightly darker root than then it ends up that I got 426 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:41.589 halfway through the film and I thought I was feeling that the tension that the 427 00:29:41.670 --> 00:29:45.710 characters were feeling and there's a there's a there's a turning point that happens with 428 00:29:45.910 --> 00:29:48.309 her and one of the other characters. It's hard not to give too much 429 00:29:48.309 --> 00:29:52.980 away because it's kind of formulaic in itself. It really real surprise is but 430 00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:57.819 there was one moment that I could feel myself getting a little tense and I 431 00:29:57.980 --> 00:30:03.900 was like this could go dark really quick. Yeah, particularly her relationship with 432 00:30:03.059 --> 00:30:06.660 one of the other characters. Yes, hard not to talk about, but 433 00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:11.450 I thought that's that's the road if you want to make this message. Yeah, 434 00:30:11.450 --> 00:30:15.849 that's the road. Now that message is going to make sense to the 435 00:30:15.890 --> 00:30:19.210 people who who watch the film. That message is touched on. Yeah, 436 00:30:19.289 --> 00:30:26.119 and it is brought up at the finale. I hear say absolutely, but 437 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:30.759 again, it's not a surprise because they didn't go down the route that would 438 00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.480 make it a dark, troubling thing for the main character, and I think 439 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:38.509 that's what's tough about this film. Is She deals with. Now this feels 440 00:30:38.509 --> 00:30:42.230 like a horrible because, you know, we're white guys talking about a film. 441 00:30:42.430 --> 00:30:48.109 Yeah, she goes down the sort of trope of being able to she 442 00:30:48.230 --> 00:30:52.819 has a conversation with her mother about that. Her mother was rebellious as a 443 00:30:52.859 --> 00:30:56.819 kid during these her high school year, and and she finds a book full 444 00:30:56.859 --> 00:31:00.819 of her rebellion, like a suitcase full of all mom's rebellious stuff. Yeah, 445 00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:07.089 and she has a sit down conversation over pizza, saying, you know, 446 00:31:07.210 --> 00:31:08.690 how did you deal with this? Did you know, like how did 447 00:31:08.730 --> 00:31:14.529 you know what to have a revolution about? And her mom admits that she 448 00:31:14.569 --> 00:31:17.210 doesn't it, that she didn't at the time, that it was just stand 449 00:31:17.250 --> 00:31:19.759 up for anything that needed to be called out, which is a great message. 450 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:26.400 Yeah, apart from the fact that she which I think is a good 451 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.799 message in its entirety, of like none of us know what we're doing each 452 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.069 day. Like we as kids look at adults and we go like, Oh, 453 00:31:34.150 --> 00:31:37.990 they've got everything planned, they know how life works, but when you 454 00:31:37.069 --> 00:31:41.509 get to like when you get past childhood, you realize no one really has 455 00:31:41.589 --> 00:31:45.710 no one really knows. We're still making it up. But I think she 456 00:31:45.950 --> 00:31:52.539 deals with being able to make the mistakes because she has white privilege and I 457 00:31:52.660 --> 00:31:57.740 know there is a sort of trigger words, but she's able to make those 458 00:31:59.019 --> 00:32:04.250 revolutionary mistakes and get away with it. Yes, I think there's that. 459 00:32:04.650 --> 00:32:07.329 You're absolutely absolutely right there. I think there are. There are a couple 460 00:32:07.329 --> 00:32:10.130 of things, I mean central to the story. I think the message and 461 00:32:10.569 --> 00:32:17.559 the the story and the the idea around that unity

between women and calling out 462 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:23.440 harassment and sexism and and having that strength in numbers. I think is a 463 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:30.549 really, really strong message and for the most part I genuinely like the film's 464 00:32:30.630 --> 00:32:35.029 quite likable. There are there are technical things that I'm not so keener but 465 00:32:35.309 --> 00:32:39.670 my biggest issue that kind of come to fold with the film is that by 466 00:32:39.869 --> 00:32:45.420 focusing on the Vivian character, there are a lot of really interesting characters and 467 00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:51.299 stories around her, the Lucy character, who's the new girl. She's she's 468 00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:55.579 mixed race and she is really kind of vivations, really interesting, really strong 469 00:32:55.660 --> 00:33:00.730 and she is a feels like a more interesting protagonist. Now, when you 470 00:33:00.809 --> 00:33:07.170 know that the moxy magazine is being produced anonymously, it kind of makes sense 471 00:33:07.490 --> 00:33:10.369 why they've gone down the Vivian route with it. But there are so many 472 00:33:10.450 --> 00:33:15.079 other characters and so many of the stories that are only given lip service or 473 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:20.359 out that that the whole course of the film that I felt would have made. 474 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.279 You know, my personal feeling is I think moxy would have been better 475 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:28.269 serve not as a film but as a series where you get to spend more 476 00:33:28.430 --> 00:33:34.309 time with each of the characters and seeing these issues and how they're impacted, 477 00:33:34.470 --> 00:33:38.150 rather than you know, there's a transgirl in there and her story is is 478 00:33:38.950 --> 00:33:45.019 literally picked up, put across and a sort of carried along with gun the 479 00:33:45.019 --> 00:33:50.500 strength of just a couple of things without any real sort of delving into and 480 00:33:50.660 --> 00:33:54.700 really giving the spotlight to those issues. You know they're there. Are Lgbtq, 481 00:33:55.890 --> 00:34:00.289 the story lines that are sort of picked up very randomly throughout the film 482 00:34:00.329 --> 00:34:06.130 without without any development, and I think you know, it just felt, 483 00:34:06.609 --> 00:34:09.519 and particularly the bit you were referring to later on, that that's given kind 484 00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:15.400 of lip service at the end again just felt a little bit rushed over and 485 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:21.559 not given the time and space that it needed to to have any real impact. 486 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:28.829 Similar with with the male characters, you literally have two extremes of yeah, 487 00:34:29.190 --> 00:34:35.510 one male character who is so nice and one male character who is that 488 00:34:35.750 --> 00:34:42.420 what to male characters primarily that are so that, to quine of phrase,

489 00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:45.940 they are on the douchebag and of the spectrum. Yeah, there are no 490 00:34:45.139 --> 00:34:51.780 shades of grain between that and seeing how other male characters interactions within the school 491 00:34:52.139 --> 00:34:54.289 and how they're affected by what's going on are. You know, the the 492 00:34:54.409 --> 00:34:59.329 unity story is very strong, but I just feel that the Hamstrung by having 493 00:34:59.329 --> 00:35:02.809 limited focus and limited time that there are. Their kind of almost feels like 494 00:35:02.849 --> 00:35:07.559 there's a more interesting story out there to be told and they're slightly hamstrung by 495 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.840 the fact that you know, and it does. You know, you use 496 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.920 the price white privilege. There is an element of that that you know. 497 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:19.880 It's it's the it's the the pretty blondhead white girl. That's the one that's 498 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.750 kind of the catalyst for all of this. There there feels like there's there 499 00:35:22.789 --> 00:35:28.909 are more interesting characters and more interesting stories. There is a there is kind 500 00:35:28.949 --> 00:35:32.989 of a reason for that, I guess, but then there are things I 501 00:35:34.070 --> 00:35:37.739 could have done within the storytelling to have made that more interesting. And you 502 00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:39.900 know, you know her best friends story as well, coming from you know, 503 00:35:40.900 --> 00:35:45.739 there's kind of the cultural pressures on her as well as the school pressures, 504 00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:52.010 having can from comes from a minority family and having those pressures, as 505 00:35:52.050 --> 00:35:58.050 well as the precess of school. Again, other interesting stories and yeah, 506 00:35:58.210 --> 00:36:01.769 I think it I don't want to sound like I'm being unkind to it. 507 00:36:01.849 --> 00:36:07.159 I just it just felt like there were missed opportunities, but on the whole 508 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:13.159 it's it is a really likable film and I think the central message is strong. 509 00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:17.320 It's something that that could be taken away, you know, as being 510 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:21.869 a real positive and I think it's it's noble in the way that does that. 511 00:36:21.989 --> 00:36:25.670 I just I was I was almost expecting and always wanting there to be 512 00:36:25.869 --> 00:36:30.110 more to it. Yes, I think what's really difficult about it and putting 513 00:36:30.150 --> 00:36:36.739 it in such putting the issues have such a larger scope than what you can 514 00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:42.500 portray in this kind of film. Yeah, and I think I struggled with 515 00:36:42.579 --> 00:36:45.659 the idea of Vivian dealing with the stuff. And there's one moment in it. 516 00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:49.329 Again, this is so hard not to talk about. Yeah,

specific 517 00:36:49.409 --> 00:36:52.010 moments, but there's one moment that she's dealing with the fact that she she 518 00:36:52.289 --> 00:36:57.250 wants to stand up for things but doesn't. She's dealing with that sort of 519 00:36:58.409 --> 00:37:00.880 this is the way life is we just hang ahead and shame, we kind 520 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.599 of don't think about it and move on. Yeah, and I found that. 521 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.639 I found that interesting. That the one thing I did like about Vivian 522 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:16.269 was the fact that she was dealing with double standards throughout the entire film until 523 00:37:16.389 --> 00:37:21.670 she sort of has her moment, and I think that was nice used to 524 00:37:21.710 --> 00:37:24.269 highlight. It was frustrating because, as you said, there are other characters 525 00:37:24.309 --> 00:37:30.860 that I went those stories are really interesting, like her best friend is you 526 00:37:30.980 --> 00:37:35.099 know, she talks about her family and how our family got there in literally 527 00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:40.300 one throwaway line. Yeah, although I found her her best friend a surprising 528 00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:45.170 highlight. The actress I really like. I was really on on par with 529 00:37:45.250 --> 00:37:47.449 her, like I sort of like felt moment. She has one moment the 530 00:37:47.449 --> 00:37:50.489 end that I was like, Oh God, I feel a little like, 531 00:37:51.050 --> 00:37:52.489 you know, she felt that moment and I felt it too. That was 532 00:37:52.489 --> 00:37:59.920 quite good. It's tough, it is really tough and it's I mean this 533 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:01.159 is all coming from the fact that I came out of the film going I 534 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:07.719 liked that film. I did like that film. It's yeah, it's tough. 535 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.909 I mean it kind of had an an easy a feel to it. 536 00:38:13.469 --> 00:38:15.869 That's one of the things that I as I was watching it that I felt 537 00:38:15.909 --> 00:38:20.710 that it could have. I mean, I buy put easy in Book Smart. 538 00:38:21.469 --> 00:38:23.829 They yeah, had that that kind of vibe to to it, but 539 00:38:23.989 --> 00:38:30.539 they are just that tear above yes, I thought the way that they both 540 00:38:30.699 --> 00:38:37.099 handled their relative stories within that in a much stronger way. And you know 541 00:38:37.179 --> 00:38:42.170 what am I am I putting too much too whichever phase is somewhat is essentially 542 00:38:42.210 --> 00:38:46.570 a throwaway team film, I think because it I mean we talked about, 543 00:38:46.809 --> 00:38:52.449 we talked about in in other podcast wasted opportunities of yessages and I think, 544 00:38:52.530 --> 00:38:54.530 I don't think that this was a wasted opportunity of a message, and the 545 00:38:54.610 --> 00:39:00.480 message is really strong. It's just so hard to pack all of that story. 546 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:04.000 Yeah, the confines an American High School and it's funny talking about that 547 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:08.840 list. It feels like sort of you know, like a plot point that 548 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:15.670 they just need to drive home. But I I'll admit those sorts of thing 549 00:39:15.869 --> 00:39:19.389 happen in American high schools. I was in an American high school and in 550 00:39:19.550 --> 00:39:23.940 the yearbook we deal with the fact that everyone gets voted like best dressed, 551 00:39:24.179 --> 00:39:28.380 who has the worst car, and they're kind of silly. But this is 552 00:39:28.820 --> 00:39:34.500 based on that trope. Yeah, and you have a principle WHO's trying to 553 00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:40.170 be safe in the system, who is also a woman, which makes an 554 00:39:40.210 --> 00:39:45.889 interesting dynamic later on. Yeah, trying to be safe in the system and 555 00:39:46.210 --> 00:39:52.960 not cause a big deal about stuff which, you know, recompense and all 556 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:57.880 that kind of stuff, that that has to happen. Yeah, come up 557 00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:02.599 and says. But that being said, pointing down tiny little things about this 558 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.469 film that I could that I just did enjoy, there's one moment where one 559 00:40:07.510 --> 00:40:15.670 of the characters is it is talked about. Again, not trying to give 560 00:40:15.670 --> 00:40:19.349 anything away, because I think you should watch the film. I yeah, 561 00:40:19.469 --> 00:40:22.699 Oh, absolutely, I great. Yeah, yeah, I think I like 562 00:40:22.900 --> 00:40:27.420 say I think it's a it's a nice film. There's there's a lot to 563 00:40:27.900 --> 00:40:31.019 get out of it. It's just for me it was it was kind of 564 00:40:31.659 --> 00:40:37.889 two thirds of the way to being a really, really great high school comedy 565 00:40:37.010 --> 00:40:40.250 and it just or but high school drama as well. I don't think it 566 00:40:40.289 --> 00:40:44.369 was particular a comedy. I think it I think that's I think maybe that's 567 00:40:44.449 --> 00:40:46.889 the issue, the fact that it's towing the line between both of them and 568 00:40:47.010 --> 00:40:50.840 not making a strong enough choice that if it wants to be sat tire, 569 00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:53.199 it should be satire. Or if it wants to go down those dark paths, 570 00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:57.360 it should, it should lean into them. That being said, there 571 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.480 are some moments in it that I just I enjoyed. I Love Frank. 572 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.630 When you watch the film you'll know who frank is. I love watching over 573 00:41:05.710 --> 00:41:10.590 enthusiastic extras. Always there's a moment where they're running through the halls and just 574 00:41:10.869 --> 00:41:17.780 just watch some background extras. They are amazing. And one thing about films 575 00:41:17.820 -->

00:41:22.579 which I will never understand is why can't we have a moment? Why can't 576 00:41:22.659 --> 00:41:28.579 no one in films surf the Internet properly? Like there's one moment where she 577 00:41:28.699 --> 00:41:31.340 gets on a youtube video and the playhead of the Youtube video just isn't moving, 578 00:41:31.969 --> 00:41:37.690 but she's watching a thing. We've surely passed this point now. I've 579 00:41:37.849 --> 00:41:44.010 filmmakers come on. That being said, there's a moment that Levian rose is 580 00:41:44.130 --> 00:41:46.800 in it, and Levion rose is one of my favorite songs of all time, 581 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.159 especially in French, and it will always get me. So, filmmakers 582 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:53.320 out there, if you want to get me to have a moment, put 583 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:59.280 Levon rose in probably and I will. I will love you forever. What 584 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.590 are my other little notes? I made some notes. Yeah, there are 585 00:42:02.789 --> 00:42:06.670 some formula things, which is kind of why easy a comes to mind, 586 00:42:06.750 --> 00:42:10.869 like this one moment where she has she has her hero anthem moment where there's 587 00:42:10.869 --> 00:42:15.940 a montage with a big rock song and she's like Yes, I'm making my 588 00:42:16.099 --> 00:42:22.539 transition and everything, but there are moments that sort of subvert that in a 589 00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:24.699 silly way. One of the characters gets talked about in front of a big 590 00:42:24.739 --> 00:42:29.099 rally and she's like, what are you doing? I'm trying to eat. 591 00:42:29.260 --> 00:42:31.929 I've just ran for an hour and it's just a nice little side moment that's 592 00:42:31.969 --> 00:42:36.690 done quite well. Yeah, Oh, yeah, and that's why I don't 593 00:42:36.690 --> 00:42:38.969 want to ruin it, because I think everyone should watch it make their own 594 00:42:39.010 --> 00:42:44.050 opinions, and I don't it's be aware that the scope of the issues that 595 00:42:44.130 --> 00:42:47.679 they're talking about is hard to fit into this and I don't necessarily think all 596 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:52.079 of them are touched on in the proper way. It's not like a race 597 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.800 it's not a race diversity thing, but it should be all inclusive. Yeah, 598 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.630 so it's really difficult to pinpoint. It's about silence. I mean take 599 00:43:00.750 --> 00:43:06.349 the first thirty seconds of the film. That's that's the premise. You have 600 00:43:06.469 --> 00:43:12.510 a character who is silent and it's all about speaking up for all of the 601 00:43:12.670 --> 00:43:17.179 things that are wrong with the Patriarchy and systems like the American high school system. 602 00:43:20.260 --> 00:43:23.059 So take that premise and and and enjoyed the film, I think. 603 00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:27.329 Definitely. Yeah, I think one I the one thing I'll

take from it 604 00:43:27.449 --> 00:43:30.090 is, when I hit play on it, that I didn't think that I 605 00:43:30.130 --> 00:43:32.730 would end up having this much to say about it at the end. No, 606 00:43:32.769 --> 00:43:37.329 it's in all did I, which is which is great. It clearly 607 00:43:37.690 --> 00:43:40.170 it's clearly hitting are and just as a final point for me, it's sort 608 00:43:40.170 --> 00:43:45.920 of helped for me as well because since finishing watching parks and recreation a couple 609 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.360 of weeks ago, I have been getting a May pole with drawal symptoms. 610 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.559 So it was nice to nice to have it back in something. So yeah, 611 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:57.989 so that's Moxie, which is on Netflix now. And so for our 612 00:43:58.030 --> 00:44:00.670 final review this week we're going to look at Judas and the Black Massire, 613 00:44:00.750 --> 00:44:07.349 directed by Shafer King, starring Daniel Keluya and La Keith stanfield and Jesse Plemmons. 614 00:44:07.909 --> 00:44:13.380 It's the story of an FBI mole that infiltrates the black pumther party to 615 00:44:13.460 --> 00:44:17.300 get close to their charismatic deputy chairman, Fred Hampton. Now, Craig, 616 00:44:17.380 --> 00:44:22.340 you've seen this one as well. Certainly have you. How did you find 617 00:44:22.500 --> 00:44:27.929 Judas and the blacks sire? Well, I came into this knowing very little 618 00:44:27.969 --> 00:44:34.050 about Fred Hampton, having seen the the Netflix, the trial of the Chicago 619 00:44:34.090 --> 00:44:38.039 seven. I knew a little bit coming into it, but and I think 620 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:43.119 I came at it from a perfect viewpoint for the film that you get for 621 00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:47.440 the two hours that it's on the screen, it looks amazing. The cinematography, 622 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.119 which we will talk later on, but as has been recognized in the 623 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:59.349 Oscars, it looks incredible. It sounds incredible that whhoever has worked on this 624 00:44:59.510 --> 00:45:02.909 has it's a labor of love, from the costume design to the the camera 625 00:45:02.949 --> 00:45:08.099 operators, and I think everybody's got behind that. The Passion that I think 626 00:45:08.179 --> 00:45:16.420 Shaqu King as obviously poured out into the film and the the pep pivotal character 627 00:45:16.579 --> 00:45:24.010 of Fred Hampton is just he's so enigmatic. As soon as the film starts, 628 00:45:24.289 --> 00:45:30.730 he draws you in and he starts from a very militant viewpoint and he 629 00:45:30.849 --> 00:45:36.960 draws the audience in and that's in no small part down to the acting and 630 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.360 of all the the actors I'm going to set mention, not one is a 631 00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:46.280 weak link, not one single actor, and you're drawn into the Black Panthers 632 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:52.190 and you're drawn into this world that they are inhabiting. And they obviously only 633 00:45:52.309 --> 00:45:55.550 show one aspect of what the black pants are doing, but it's very community 634 00:45:55.630 --> 00:46:02.230 led and it draws you in wonderfully. My first negative that I would say 635 00:46:02.230 --> 00:46:07.099 about it is, though, that you are you see so many people on 636 00:46:07.380 --> 00:46:12.980 screen, but they never spend enough time with any of them, and that 637 00:46:13.219 --> 00:46:15.619 could be in part that it's not a biopic, so it's not about Fred 638 00:46:15.619 --> 00:46:20.130 Hampton, it's not about Bill O'Neill, it's about every body around them. 639 00:46:20.730 --> 00:46:25.050 But I find sometimes lacking when pivotal things happened to those Black Panther characters, 640 00:46:25.489 --> 00:46:29.849 whether it be at the hands of the police or the government or whoever else 641 00:46:29.889 --> 00:46:34.559 it, I kind of lost a little bit of empathy because I didn't know 642 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.920 enough about them. I I thought that they weren't explored enough. Maybe if 643 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:44.159 you they'd trimmed down such who they focused upon, then maybe that that that 644 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:49.389 would have added a little bit more to it and it not being a biopick 645 00:46:49.789 --> 00:46:54.190 meant that I felt that I was missing something from Bill Story, Bill O'Neil, 646 00:46:54.309 --> 00:47:00.110 played by Lakeith Stanfield, and Fred Hampton, played by Daniel Cluya. 647 00:47:00.429 --> 00:47:07.980 But superbly. Yeah, it's it's just I felt like I was missing something. 648 00:47:09.019 --> 00:47:13.659 You understand what I mean? Yeah, I can sort of see what 649 00:47:13.699 --> 00:47:15.619 you mean. They're it. There was a little bit of yes, some 650 00:47:15.730 --> 00:47:20.929 of the back store in some of that connection. It felt like almost a 651 00:47:20.969 --> 00:47:23.889 little bit that the sort of film that could have been half an hour longer 652 00:47:24.530 --> 00:47:30.960 and could have spent more time flashing out some of the the supporting characters around, 653 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:36.079 because a lot of these characters will have been based on based on fact, 654 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.599 based on real people that were kind of in the Black Panthers and more 655 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:45.309 in Fred Hampton circle at the time. That, yeah, you get kind 656 00:47:45.309 --> 00:47:52.070 of the the charismatic enigmatic for Hampton, who, Daniel clue kally is absolutely 657 00:47:52.349 --> 00:47:54.949 fantastic in this. He's so I mean he's on. He's on a hell 658 00:47:54.989 --> 00:48:01.340 of hot streak anyway, because there between between this and get out and he 659 00:48:01.539 --> 00:48:07.059 was one of the best things about widows a couple of years ago and being 660 00:48:07.099 --> 00:48:10.340 part of one of

the biggest movies of all time in Black Punther, and 661 00:48:10.780 --> 00:48:19.289 he is just so, so watchable and so brilliant in everything that I've seen 662 00:48:19.329 --> 00:48:22.730 him in. Similarly, with the Keith Stanfield who, again he was also 663 00:48:22.809 --> 00:48:25.849 in get out, I didn't sort of because there's a supporting character. I 664 00:48:25.929 --> 00:48:29.639 didn't, I didn't kind of pick up in him as a name until I 665 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:35.000 watched sorry to bother you, which again is a great, great performance of 666 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.800 real breakthrough for him. And that and again he's turned up in those of 667 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.750 loads of great stuff. He was in uncut, Gems, sorry to bother 668 00:48:43.750 --> 00:48:50.789 you, who's great in terms up small but significant part in knives out and 669 00:48:50.949 --> 00:48:53.429 now this. And I think the two of them because they've both been nominated 670 00:48:53.710 --> 00:49:00.099 as best supporting actor best putting actors in the Oscars this year, which is 671 00:49:00.219 --> 00:49:05.820 interesting because almost feels like one might cancel the other out a little bit, 672 00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:10.530 because but neither sort of fulfill the role of kind of a de facto lead 673 00:49:10.650 --> 00:49:15.090 in the film, though that the the story focused does shift between the two 674 00:49:15.130 --> 00:49:20.969 of them that you spend you spend some time with Fred Hampton, you spend 675 00:49:21.090 --> 00:49:23.719 some time with Bill O'Neil and, like you say, it's more in, 676 00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:30.679 it's less around their characters are more around their place in history and how, 677 00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:37.519 you know, American law enforcement and American politics viewed them and dealt with them. 678 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:42.070 So rather than kind of being that character study. So I totally get 679 00:49:42.110 --> 00:49:45.550 what you mean around and losing some of the the impact, like say, 680 00:49:45.590 --> 00:49:51.190 empathy and impact around some of the supporting characters when when things happened to them, 681 00:49:52.030 --> 00:49:55.179 because we hadn't got to know them quite as well. You're absolutely right. 682 00:49:55.219 --> 00:49:59.260 I sort of not really picked up on them with consideration. Yeah, 683 00:49:59.340 --> 00:50:04.699 I totally I totally get that. But then and around these two you've got 684 00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:08.929 this film sort of hung around these two real powerhouse performances and with that it 685 00:50:09.210 --> 00:50:15.570 really propels you through it and it is really fascinating, really really interesting film 686 00:50:15.050 --> 00:50:21.760 and a real snapshot in a piece of American history. And I think with 687 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:30.199 films like Detroit and elements of trial of Chicago seven and one night in Miami 688 00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:36.070 and now juice in the black masside, it's painting a picture of that civil 689 00:50:36.110 --> 00:50:38.150 rights movement and and elements of it and I'm sure there are the films out 690 00:50:38.190 --> 00:50:45.670 there and it's really it's really interesting, particularly how timely this is with whe 691 00:50:45.710 --> 00:50:52.539 the black lives matter movement and and that that move for great representation and greater 692 00:50:52.619 --> 00:50:58.739 equality. That it's interesting, not just interesting, it's fascinating to see the 693 00:50:58.820 --> 00:51:01.860 kind of that those those first big steps of the the civil rights movement to 694 00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:07.769 see how it links to today and how that sort of impacts overall. So 695 00:51:07.849 --> 00:51:12.530 I think it in that respect is kind of a historical snapshot at that's where 696 00:51:12.530 --> 00:51:15.769 I found judice in the bottom so I'm most interesting and where where it grabbed 697 00:51:15.889 --> 00:51:21.800 me most for learning about these elements and know the involvement of Jake Ah Hoover, 698 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:27.519 which is kind of a barely recognizable Martin Sheen as a really, really 699 00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:34.710 loathsome character. And it was interesting because the Jesse clemmons character, get Jesse 700 00:51:34.789 --> 00:51:37.590 Clemmons, is great again, as he as is in most things. He 701 00:51:39.150 --> 00:51:45.030 felt, I don't know how you felt about it, he felt quite ambiguous 702 00:51:45.309 --> 00:51:51.780 in in his character. The film doesn't actually make kind of an active judgment 703 00:51:51.940 --> 00:51:55.420 on his character. It feels more like he's just they're just observing his his 704 00:51:55.579 --> 00:52:01.130 actions that you know they're there are moments where he is he's really warm to 705 00:52:01.170 --> 00:52:07.250 the billowneil character and at that time, particularly with a boss like Jager Hoover, 706 00:52:07.369 --> 00:52:13.090 who is who was particularly anti anti black. He was. He was 707 00:52:13.130 --> 00:52:15.960 very warm and very accommodating with him, but at the same time he has 708 00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:21.599 this very direct act. is literally a black and white view that he says 709 00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.480 he views the Black Panthers and the clan as two sides of the same coin 710 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:30.349 and doesn't sort of differentiate that. His role is is law enforcement, and 711 00:52:30.989 --> 00:52:35.989 so it doesn't make any great judgments about his character, but it's sort of 712 00:52:36.070 --> 00:52:40.230 interesting to see his engagement at it's very sort of single minded in that view. 713 00:52:42.190 --> 00:52:46.219 Yet it's the the final two scenes. I I think the same exactly 714 00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:52.739 with with Jesse Clemmons. Until that the final two scenes, where you

either 715 00:52:52.860 --> 00:53:00.489 see the real Roy of the FBI or you see you see who he has 716 00:53:00.570 --> 00:53:04.329 become to get done what the FBI want to get done. It's yeah, 717 00:53:04.329 --> 00:53:07.090 and and they never go, or it's definitely this is him, this is 718 00:53:07.170 --> 00:53:13.039 the true him, or has he become the the FBI agent that jared cohoover 719 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.000 needs and so on, and and the fact that they don't even address that 720 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:20.239 in the the at the end of the film, I think is wonderful, 721 00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:22.719 but it is chilling those last two scenes. I think yeah, with him, 722 00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:27.750 definitely, absolutely. But there's those moments throughout the film where you see 723 00:53:28.429 --> 00:53:35.110 them all. They build a report, the the bell character and and him. 724 00:53:35.510 --> 00:53:38.829 They build this rapport and then when Bill O'Neil wants to step away, 725 00:53:39.590 --> 00:53:46.139 that's when the FBI agent comes out and basically gives him that ultimatum. How 726 00:53:46.179 --> 00:53:49.420 do you want to play this? Because you know it's either do it this 727 00:53:49.500 --> 00:53:53.420 way or prison, and it's that very it's a very direct means. He 728 00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:57.530 is a means to an end to him and, like you say, technically 729 00:53:57.849 --> 00:54:02.050 brilliant and I think Shaq Kings real one to watch moving forward. I know 730 00:54:02.090 --> 00:54:08.849 Daniel Klue is already landed an awards for his performance and I could see probably 731 00:54:08.929 --> 00:54:14.000 more in the future. It's, yeah, genuinely a great, great performance. 732 00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:16.440 Yeah, and I think it's a real shame that they didn't, you 733 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:21.159 know, go for one as actor or, you know, even go for 734 00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:24.550 to it in there the lead act of old because, yeah, it as 735 00:54:24.550 --> 00:54:30.510 a showcase for those two talents. You know, it's they are both phenomenal. 736 00:54:30.349 --> 00:54:35.510 Yeah, screen time wise, I would imagine it's around the about the 737 00:54:35.550 --> 00:54:39.139 same, but you know, and I hope that they'd, let you say, 738 00:54:39.139 --> 00:54:43.500 they don't cancel each other out and they do recognize one when the Oscars 739 00:54:43.539 --> 00:54:47.179 do come around. Absolutely, absolutely so. Judas in the black MESSARA is 740 00:54:47.260 --> 00:54:52.579 on premium video on demand at the moment, so will cost you a little 741 00:54:52.579 --> 00:54:54.969 bit extra to watch it, but you know it's well worth seeking out. 742 00:54:55.329 --> 00:54:58.530 So brilliant. Thanks for that, gentlemen. We're going to move on to 743 00:54:58.730 --> 00:55:04.849 a slightly dormant feature that we've we've used in previous episodes. It's time to 744 00:55:05.369 -->

00:55:08.000 revive it. This time we're going to do a little bit of in defense 745 00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:13.039 off. Now, the idea of in defense of is we're looking at either 746 00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:19.400 overlooked or maligned films and state in the case for them. They don't necessarily 747 00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:22.949 have to be greatly beloved films, or they could be films that you know 748 00:55:22.030 --> 00:55:28.469 in future that we don't think have had the attention or the the interest that 749 00:55:28.590 --> 00:55:31.590 maybe they should. But on this occasion what I've done is I've come for 750 00:55:31.630 --> 00:55:37.900 a slightly potentially controversial option. I took a bit of an opportunity to watch 751 00:55:38.019 --> 00:55:42.219 the very first parts of the Caribbean film curse of the Black Pearl a few 752 00:55:42.219 --> 00:55:45.860 weeks ago. And it made me think. You know, which way do 753 00:55:45.900 --> 00:55:50.130 you look at it? Was Curse the Black Pearl, a better movie than 754 00:55:50.170 --> 00:55:52.929 that, had any right to be considerent? It was based on a Disney 755 00:55:52.969 --> 00:55:57.010 ride, or were the you know, the sequels are real kind of waste 756 00:55:57.050 --> 00:56:00.610 of that potential. So what I thought is, you know, a few 757 00:56:00.690 --> 00:56:06.320 years away, removed from that hype, how do these sequels now stand up? 758 00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.400 You know, are they are they right for a re evaluation? So, 759 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:15.519 over the course of a couple of nights I went through and I rewatched 760 00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:20.829 dead man's chest and at world's end. Have we only basically looking at the 761 00:56:21.110 --> 00:56:24.070 the main, sort of original mainline trilogy of the pirates films, although I 762 00:56:24.190 --> 00:56:30.590 will refer to on stranger tides and Salazar's revenge or dead man tell no tails, 763 00:56:30.630 --> 00:56:35.900 depending on where you're listening to it. So, braving the opening trilogy, 764 00:56:36.420 --> 00:56:38.900 I'm sort of going to talk through both of them see how they could 765 00:56:38.900 --> 00:56:43.219 be defended. The idea is that, with the aligne feels, what is 766 00:56:43.340 --> 00:56:46.849 there that's that's kind of good about them? What's interesting about them? And 767 00:56:47.369 --> 00:56:51.809 you know, curse the Black Pearl, you know, I won't say our 768 00:56:51.849 --> 00:56:55.530 brave that one. It's still a ripping bit of fun and it's a reminder 769 00:56:55.570 --> 00:57:04.000 about what a fun and capable character the Jack Sparrow character is, which is 770 00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.599 something that I think gets lost throughout the course of the series and I can't 771 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.880 pick up on that a little bit later. So when I first saw dead 772 00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:17.309 man's chest at ciner I actually remember quite

enjoying it, you know, as 773 00:57:17.550 --> 00:57:22.630 it was a step backwards, but I kind of walked out after that empire 774 00:57:22.670 --> 00:57:27.469 strikes back moment and I was actually kind of kind of psyched for the the 775 00:57:27.869 --> 00:57:30.820 conclusion. I thought all this, this looks this looks like it could be 776 00:57:30.019 --> 00:57:34.619 could be quite fun and for the most part, you know, the film 777 00:57:34.659 --> 00:57:38.539 itself it does have it does have issues, but it does have some strengths 778 00:57:38.539 --> 00:57:42.579 as well, the first of which, and this is true of dead man's 779 00:57:42.579 --> 00:57:46.889 chest and a world's end, Davy Jones Bill my playing Davy Jones. The 780 00:57:47.050 --> 00:57:53.329 film takes a noticeable kind of upticking quality the moment we see the kind of 781 00:57:53.369 --> 00:58:00.760 the devil of the sea and of the fact that the most subtle and most 782 00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:07.360 nuanced performances at in both of those two sequels is from a guy with a 783 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:13.510 squid for a face. Of Be beneath kind of prosthetics and CGI that he 784 00:58:13.989 --> 00:58:17.989 still managed to kind of render of a memorable villain. That's some scale, 785 00:58:17.989 --> 00:58:24.309 I mean. And the effects for Davy Jones are still pretty much flawless even 786 00:58:24.349 --> 00:58:30.780 fifteen years on. That seems crazy that you know, the fifteen years since 787 00:58:30.900 --> 00:58:34.139 since these films. It's true, you know of a lot of the effects 788 00:58:34.539 --> 00:58:37.860 that the crew of the Flying Dutchmen. They do still like with the original 789 00:58:37.900 --> 00:58:42.329 parts, the Carapin you can see how CGI is kind of caught up and 790 00:58:42.409 --> 00:58:47.449 how how even more seamless it is today. But the crew of the flying 791 00:58:47.489 --> 00:58:53.809 Dutchman is still kind of pleasingly gnarly in groupsome and still really effective. Just 792 00:58:54.090 --> 00:59:01.000 as a little side point as well, that introducing cut the Beckett Tom Hollander. 793 00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:05.599 He plays an a plays a nice sort of big bad let's use the 794 00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:09.829 star wars vibe again, almost like an emperor over emperor character, overseeing kind 795 00:59:09.829 --> 00:59:13.670 of the villain the side of things, and Tom Hollander it's you know, 796 00:59:14.070 --> 00:59:19.949 he's worth watching in anything and he's great. So and while the story does 797 00:59:20.190 --> 00:59:22.869 sag a bit, and it is, you know, it's the point where 798 00:59:22.869 --> 00:59:27.500 the bloat starts to set in. There are some genuinely fun action beats. 799 00:59:27.780 --> 00:59:32.380 So Davy Jones is pet cracking. His first full appearance is, you know, 800 00:59:32.420 --> 00:59:38.969 it's really effective, really tense and again another really impressive kind of melding 801 00:59:39.010 --> 00:59:44.809 of the practical and CG effects and the water whale chase and sword fight at 802 00:59:44.849 --> 00:59:53.039 the end. It is genuinely dozen dazzlingly improbable. But it's also, how 803 00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:58.280 of a lot of fun in the midst of this climax that the kind of 804 00:59:58.320 --> 00:60:01.079 the stunt work and sword work and that the special effects with it again are 805 00:60:01.239 --> 00:60:07.269 really a really effective and it's amusing we still get some of the comedy Prat 806 00:60:07.349 --> 00:60:10.030 falls in it. I think the combination of all of these things, I 807 00:60:10.150 --> 00:60:15.630 think for Benski. Go for Bensky, for all of his faults that he 808 00:60:15.389 --> 00:60:19.429 he's not very good at sort of trimming back on the bloat. Some of 809 00:60:19.550 --> 00:60:22.219 his films can be a bit kind of Saggy, but he can shoot an 810 00:60:22.260 --> 00:60:28.579 action sequence and it maybe needs to take it less. It's more approach from 811 00:60:28.619 --> 00:60:31.019 time to time, but but he can certainly frame some action. I'm going 812 00:60:31.019 --> 00:60:35.619 to be even handed about it. I think it's a boarding on a three 813 00:60:35.659 --> 00:60:39.250 staff film. It's not to the same standard as the first, which was 814 00:60:39.929 --> 00:60:45.449 great swashbuckling fun. It's this point in the film that used that kind of 815 00:60:45.489 --> 00:60:50.360 affects what happens in at world's end that you start to get the kind of 816 00:60:50.360 --> 00:60:55.039 the relentless double cross in starting to appear and the film starts to kind of 817 00:60:55.400 --> 00:61:00.159 disappear up its own stern and and the problem is that the film, in 818 00:61:00.280 --> 00:61:06.070 terms of that that clarity, doesn't get any better from there. It's also 819 00:61:06.269 --> 00:61:10.230 kind of the point that the Jack Sparrow character starts to become a parody of 820 00:61:10.269 --> 00:61:14.869 himself. That you know, it gets progressively worse again as the movies go 821 00:61:15.030 --> 00:61:19.659 on. He goes from being a bit of a Scoundrel and a bit of 822 00:61:19.699 --> 00:61:23.420 a loose cannon, but with a with a workable plan, to just a 823 00:61:23.579 --> 00:61:27.900 bit of a bit of a fool as the as the film's go on. 824 00:61:28.139 --> 00:61:30.860 Yeah, he's quite smart really. He sort of covers yeah, I think, 825 00:61:31.340 --> 00:61:36.010 and this is this is something I said because I on the the monkey 826 00:61:36.010 --> 00:61:39.769 see monkey review facebook page. I have got a review of Salazar's revenge and 827 00:61:39.929 --> 00:61:45.130 one of the things that I lamant in that is from the first parts of 828 00:61:45.130 --> 00:61:49.960 the Caribbean film and the moment where you see the the digitally Dage Jack Sparrow 829 00:61:50.039 --> 00:61:53.960 out smarting Salazar, that you see

that there is a there is a smarter 830 00:61:54.079 --> 00:62:00.199 Jack Sparrow and a more interesting, watchable Jack Sparrow in there. I think 831 00:62:00.280 --> 00:62:04.389 that I think Johnny Depp's time in the series has pretty much come and gone. 832 00:62:04.429 --> 00:62:07.309 I don't think there is really a way to kind of continue the series 833 00:62:07.349 --> 00:62:10.829 in that in that vein and I think that's a real missed opportunity. But 834 00:62:10.989 --> 00:62:15.139 they are. Yeah, apparently the series is continuing, but it's got but 835 00:62:15.300 --> 00:62:22.139 Marco Robbie is in a in a producing and potentially looking at starring in rolls 836 00:62:22.179 --> 00:62:27.139 of taking it off in a in a different direction. Yeah, so with 837 00:62:27.539 --> 00:62:30.090 dead man's chest. And I think what could have helped the pacing of the 838 00:62:30.130 --> 00:62:34.530 whole film is there's that whole section in the Cannibal village at the beginning. 839 00:62:35.889 --> 00:62:38.570 It could have been a lot more focused. You know, you could have 840 00:62:38.610 --> 00:62:45.639 easily lost that sect, that sequence and not lost anything from the film and 841 00:62:45.719 --> 00:62:49.039 it would have brought the films runtime down by twenty minutes. Would have made 842 00:62:49.039 --> 00:62:52.559 it a lot a lot leaner and a lot more enjoyable and a lot more 843 00:62:52.639 --> 00:62:57.159 focused and and it happens again with it worlds end. There's that kind of 844 00:62:57.199 --> 00:63:00.670 gangs all here approach, that you've got the Lee Aremberg and Mackenzie Crooks, 845 00:63:00.909 --> 00:63:06.030 mortal pirates, joining the crew for no other reason than that they're quite popular 846 00:63:06.070 --> 00:63:09.869 in the first film and they don't add an awful lot to the story. 847 00:63:10.789 --> 00:63:15.579 It happens again in at world's end where the two stupid guards from the very 848 00:63:15.659 --> 00:63:20.699 first film turn up sort of randomly in that in the final battle. It's 849 00:63:21.099 --> 00:63:25.780 yeah, I mean moving onto it world's end. I struggled with this. 850 00:63:25.940 --> 00:63:29.409 But if we're going, if we're going to if we're going to look for 851 00:63:29.449 --> 00:63:34.130 the positives, I think the one thing is Jeffrey rush returns for the third 852 00:63:34.250 --> 00:63:38.210 one and again he's very much welcome back. He's got this great way with 853 00:63:38.409 --> 00:63:43.639 words that you know give him some florid pirate language and a better scenery to 854 00:63:43.679 --> 00:63:47.119 chew on it. He looks happy and I think, I think having him 855 00:63:47.199 --> 00:63:52.679 there, you know, to offset the the Elizabeth Swan and the Wild Turner 856 00:63:52.679 --> 00:63:59.110 characters and just making you know he knows he's in a big slab of ridiculousness. 857 00:63:59.230 --> 00:64:01.750 It just looks like he's

having fun with it. And again in the 858 00:64:01.829 --> 00:64:08.469 few sequences that Davy Jones has got in the film, he shows more sort 859 00:64:08.510 --> 00:64:13.579 of emotion and is more interesting in his character development. They could have made 860 00:64:13.659 --> 00:64:17.139 more around that, I think, for the third film, because obviously hands 861 00:64:17.139 --> 00:64:23.659 simmer solely scored the second and third films. He didn't fully score the first 862 00:64:23.659 --> 00:64:29.250 film, but it's probably its strongest in at world's end, I guess, 863 00:64:29.289 --> 00:64:31.889 if you were really clutching at straws, it's quite brave. There aren't many 864 00:64:31.929 --> 00:64:39.280 blockbusters that would lean into the absolute weirdness that will send does like the whole 865 00:64:39.519 --> 00:64:44.920 sequence with Jack in Davy Jones is locker, even though that scene feels slightly 866 00:64:45.079 --> 00:64:50.559 pointless and solely there for a bit of a call back to his entrance in 867 00:64:50.559 --> 00:64:55.789 the first film, which, if you rewatch them close together, you can 868 00:64:55.789 --> 00:65:00.309 kind of see that the kind of the visual similarities and there's just, you 869 00:65:00.389 --> 00:65:03.230 know, there's too much dicking about with it, the allegancies and the confusing 870 00:65:03.309 --> 00:65:10.539 motivations without without really caring about any of the characters, and that's where the 871 00:65:10.820 --> 00:65:14.860 you know, this is where the blow comes in. There are, you 872 00:65:14.980 --> 00:65:17.860 know, there's some good visual gags. As a great visual gag where involving 873 00:65:18.619 --> 00:65:25.090 Tom Hollander and a massed speaking of visuals within the film, again I think 874 00:65:25.489 --> 00:65:29.409 Tom Hollander gets one of the one of the best moments of the whole sequence 875 00:65:30.170 --> 00:65:35.519 with his his slow motion walk down the steps the end with flying wooden cannonballs 876 00:65:35.559 --> 00:65:40.239 all around him. Visually, there are moments like that in the production design 877 00:65:40.360 --> 00:65:44.880 is is lovely throughout the whole thing. The different pirate ships, the different 878 00:65:45.239 --> 00:65:49.789 part costumes, the set, everything that kind of goes into that looks sumptuously 879 00:65:50.030 --> 00:65:53.230 for the fact that it was one of the most expensive movies ever. I 880 00:65:53.269 --> 00:65:56.110 think it was the most expensive movie ever made at the time. The money 881 00:65:56.190 --> 00:65:59.070 is there, it's on the screen, you can see it, but it's 882 00:65:59.110 --> 00:66:02.230 just such a shame that the rest of the film around it is just such 883 00:66:02.269 --> 00:66:09.420 a great big fat blow ty mass. Although, yeah, I'm not sure 884 00:66:09.500 --> 00:66:12.739 it. I'm not sure it's as bad as on stranger tides, which has 885 00:66:12.820 --> 00:66:19.329 twenty minutes of a fun twenty minutes of a fun opening sequence which is, 886 00:66:19.449 --> 00:66:26.409 you know, admittedly quite entertaining, and then proceeds to waste Ian McShane, 887 00:66:26.449 --> 00:66:31.250 who is great in a really limp black beard role, and then Suns I 888 00:66:31.329 --> 00:66:34.679 was revenge. I think is is a two and a half three staff film. 889 00:66:34.840 --> 00:66:40.960 It's it's just its own thing. It does some fairly fairly sort of 890 00:66:41.039 --> 00:66:45.480 limp stuff as well, but it's not as kind of offensively bloated as the 891 00:66:45.119 --> 00:66:49.550 as the previous two three films were. But yeah, I did they change? 892 00:66:49.949 --> 00:66:54.030 Why did they change the name? I don't know, but I think 893 00:66:54.070 --> 00:66:57.630 I think dead men tell no tail sounds. It's a better name. It's 894 00:66:57.670 --> 00:67:01.860 about a name and there's also a reference to dead mental no tails within. 895 00:67:02.099 --> 00:67:05.820 It's a world Sayer and seem much better. Yeah, but it's actually it's 896 00:67:05.860 --> 00:67:11.300 actually said. It's actually there's there's a moment in one of the films that 897 00:67:11.539 --> 00:67:15.929 has I think it's song or it is part of a lyric to a song, 898 00:67:16.170 --> 00:67:21.170 and so that actually links to it. But but yeah, I yo, 899 00:67:21.610 --> 00:67:25.650 if we're going, if we're gonna stick with it the in defense off 900 00:67:25.730 --> 00:67:30.280 theme, I think there are some impressive visual things, some impressive technical things 901 00:67:31.000 --> 00:67:35.840 and some nice moments with all of them. I think dead man's chest is 902 00:67:36.679 --> 00:67:42.119 better film than at world's end. But it's where the rock starts to set 903 00:67:42.239 --> 00:67:46.670 in. But if you go in you split it down into it's a two 904 00:67:47.150 --> 00:67:49.710 hour and a half sections you might just be able to get through the full 905 00:67:49.829 --> 00:67:54.190 three hours. But but yeah, I think the action towards the end of 906 00:67:54.269 --> 00:67:57.429 the third one. I know I said goverments, you could do action. 907 00:67:58.070 --> 00:68:04.059 The problem is that the part of the final ship battles just becomes noise and 908 00:68:04.340 --> 00:68:11.380 water and fury and it does become a little bit wearing. And there's the 909 00:68:11.739 --> 00:68:14.449 whole little plot can seat that happens in the middle of it. There's a 910 00:68:14.570 --> 00:68:18.529 bit jarring as well. But but there aren't. But there are moments within 911 00:68:18.689 --> 00:68:24.449 that kind of yeah, that was that was not not awful, but but 912 00:68:24.930 --> 00:68:29.199 yeah, so give them a go if you feel like it. Gentlemen, 913 00:68:29.680 --> 00:68:34.640 what were your what your recollections of the films? My recollection of the films 914

00:68:34.680 --> 00:68:39.439 where I liked cursor, the Black Pearl, and you were right, and 915 00:68:39.800 --> 00:68:42.710 you know, more right than it. You know what was the hell did? 916 00:68:42.829 --> 00:68:45.670 What did you say? He had more had, yeah, more than 917 00:68:45.710 --> 00:68:47.710 add have any right to be as good as it was. But I think 918 00:68:47.750 --> 00:68:49.909 that's what it was and I think it was nice and it was he gave 919 00:68:49.949 --> 00:68:51.789 a kind of it. I mean that in it, to be fair, 920 00:68:51.949 --> 00:68:55.270 was a little bit over longer, little bit blowed and everything like that. 921 00:68:55.390 --> 00:68:59.779 But I think it was a very good I think it was very good considering 922 00:69:00.060 --> 00:69:03.020 it's the content and the source material. And then, yeah, the sequels 923 00:69:03.060 --> 00:69:05.659 were probably it kind of went the way that we thought it would go. 924 00:69:05.739 --> 00:69:10.050 Really wouldn't be the second one being bigger, louder, you know, Bang 925 00:69:10.130 --> 00:69:12.930 here, and then the third one, to be fair, was probably a 926 00:69:14.130 --> 00:69:15.890 little bit different to what anyone could have predicted in the sense of it was 927 00:69:15.890 --> 00:69:18.569 just a little bit kind of surreal points, and I think, you know, 928 00:69:18.649 --> 00:69:23.010 if anything, really was probably one of the bravest turns the third films 929 00:69:23.050 --> 00:69:27.960 done in the trilogy. Yeah, brave doesn't necessarily equate to being good, 930 00:69:28.119 --> 00:69:30.920 but that's true. Right. All I can recollect, commander, really is 931 00:69:31.000 --> 00:69:33.720 that sequence where he was. It was him in kind of limbo, isn't 932 00:69:33.720 --> 00:69:36.319 it? On the boat? Yeah, I remember that. That's a standout 933 00:69:36.359 --> 00:69:40.350 there and I think that was in the first fifteen minutes. Yes, yes, 934 00:69:40.470 --> 00:69:44.470 it was. And again it's it's it was brave to, as I 935 00:69:44.510 --> 00:69:47.989 said, to lean into that weirdness, but yeah, it just there. 936 00:69:48.430 --> 00:69:51.859 It was again, too much blow. Yeah, oddly, I owned I 937 00:69:51.979 --> 00:69:55.859 own them, so I don't know, I just I own them. I've 938 00:69:55.939 --> 00:69:59.060 only been in the box that I think I've only ever watched black Pearl again. 939 00:69:59.340 --> 00:70:00.539 So I think I've seen them all one or I've seen yeah, two 940 00:70:00.579 --> 00:70:05.979 and three once and they're not revisited. Yeah, I I wish. I'd 941 00:70:06.449 --> 00:70:10.609 kind of wish I hadn't revisited dead man's chest because I always, I always 942 00:70:11.050 --> 00:70:15.329 rated it higher than maybe I did this time. I think one of one 943 00:70:15.369 --> 00:70:18.970 of the things that I did, just as a slight detail, is I 944 00:70:19.289 --> 00:70:27.039 played the the Lego pirates of the Caribbean game on Xbox and it has the 945 00:70:27.359 --> 00:70:31.840 the full hands of a score for sequences and the game was actually really quite 946 00:70:31.920 --> 00:70:36.909 fun and reminds you of moments of the film and the score is that good. 947 00:70:36.909 --> 00:70:40.829 It actually made me think, oh you know what, maybe I'll go 948 00:70:41.029 --> 00:70:45.710 back and revisit them. I didn't at the time, but now I've gone 949 00:70:45.750 --> 00:70:47.710 back and done it. have him watched the first one. I see why 950 00:70:47.750 --> 00:70:53.140 I didn't go back and revisit it at the time. But they're not they're 951 00:70:53.140 --> 00:70:56.340 not complete dead losses. There are so there are some nice things, as 952 00:70:56.380 --> 00:71:00.060 I say, the score, the technical some of the performances. So yeah, 953 00:71:00.100 --> 00:71:04.170 give it a go if you feel up to it. Can I add 954 00:71:04.329 --> 00:71:06.729 one thing? Yeah, of course go for it. For those of you 955 00:71:06.770 --> 00:71:14.609 who are hankering after old Jack Sparrow or Johnny Depp thrusting his way through everything 956 00:71:14.649 --> 00:71:18.319 Jack Sparrow and you haven't watched it and you've watched the rest and you've sort 957 00:71:18.359 --> 00:71:20.399 of like, oh, I kind of miss you know, there might be 958 00:71:20.479 --> 00:71:25.039 something I haven't seen. If you check out WED locked, I don't know 959 00:71:25.079 --> 00:71:31.000 if you guys know about this. No, it's a little mini featurette, 960 00:71:31.760 --> 00:71:36.350 sort of a film that they did as a prequel to the first film. 961 00:71:36.829 --> 00:71:42.350 Okay, so you get to see Johnny Depp running around as Jack Sparrow in 962 00:71:42.470 --> 00:71:46.109 his classic Jack's Barrow Enos and they filmed it around the same time and it's 963 00:71:46.109 --> 00:71:49.420 a little bit of like how he got his name and they talk a bit 964 00:71:49.460 --> 00:71:54.579 about the the pirate code and all that kind of stuff. So if you 965 00:71:54.659 --> 00:71:57.380 just want an extra, I don't know, I think it's twenty minutes or 966 00:71:57.460 --> 00:72:00.659 something, and you just want to see a bit of all Jack Sparrow and 967 00:72:00.739 --> 00:72:03.729 you haven't watched wedlock, go find wedlock. Is that an extra on the 968 00:72:03.970 --> 00:72:08.329 DVD or blue? I think it's on and I think it's on the Blue 969 00:72:08.369 --> 00:72:11.970 Rayo DVD. Yes, okay, H might be worth checking that out, 970 00:72:12.289 --> 00:72:15.409 see if it's on Youtube. And so, after all that, we're going 971 00:72:15.489 --> 00:72:19.359 to create a film of our own. Gentleman, it's time for pad. 972 00:72:26.319 --> 00:72:32.430 I like the slightly nautical waterlogged sounding Bitch bunkle there as nicely themed. So, 973 00:72:32.869 --> 00:72:35.710 for those of you that haven't listened to monkey, see monkey review

before 974 00:72:36.189 --> 00:72:41.149 we do our regular pitch battle. The idea behind a pitch battle is that 975 00:72:41.270 --> 00:72:45.140 we take an item, an actor and a genre and we create a film 976 00:72:45.260 --> 00:72:49.859 pitch based upon that. We have five minutes to do that and we each 977 00:72:49.939 --> 00:72:55.539 come back and present our pitches to the assembled throng, if you like, 978 00:72:55.779 --> 00:72:58.890 the pitch sand off on social media, which will give you all the links 979 00:72:58.930 --> 00:73:04.329 to at the end. And Yeah, so this week our pitch battle items 980 00:73:04.409 --> 00:73:09.609 have been given to us by the lovely friend of the show, Donna Spaniel, 981 00:73:10.369 --> 00:73:13.520 and she is an old friend. She's an old friend of both mine, 982 00:73:13.560 --> 00:73:17.479 Kevin and craigs, and she has given Oh God, this a good 983 00:73:17.560 --> 00:73:29.390 fun. Okay, so our actor is Brian Blessed. Yes, the item 984 00:73:30.149 --> 00:73:38.989 isn't empty skittles packet and how? okay, the genre is a psychological thriller. 985 00:73:39.590 --> 00:73:45.340 So me, Chris Kevin and Craig have five minutes to prepare our pictures, 986 00:73:45.899 --> 00:73:50.300 but for you will be back in two seconds. Right, gentleman, 987 00:73:50.460 --> 00:73:56.449 pens down, time is up, and I can tell you, for listener, 988 00:73:56.890 --> 00:74:03.289 you wouldn't have heard the sounds of absolute anguish down the line during that 989 00:74:03.369 --> 00:74:09.449 last five minutes. So we are ready to go. Shall I go first? 990 00:74:09.970 --> 00:74:13.239 Yes, go rhy not go for it. Okay, with such an 991 00:74:13.279 --> 00:74:19.119 optimistic word. Ready. Well, you know I'm giving. I'm giving you. 992 00:74:19.319 --> 00:74:23.439 I'm giving an opportunity that Chris, just to keep your thoughts in or 993 00:74:23.600 --> 00:74:30.470 to my way doing hours, bless yeah, okay, HMM, in the 994 00:74:30.590 --> 00:74:35.710 dead of night, he will come for you. You aren't know when, 995 00:74:38.109 --> 00:74:44.539 you aren't know where, but he's out for revenge and you will hear him 996 00:74:44.659 --> 00:74:53.170 coming. Didn't you read my bloody schedules this summer? Brian blessed invites you 997 00:74:53.489 --> 00:74:59.609 to chaste the rainbow. I knew if I knew it, I knew it. 998 00:75:05.369 --> 00:75:14.880 So we go the sorry, sorry want to say I I'm so glad 999 00:75:14.920 --> 00:75:17.800 I change the title of mine because I knew we're going to pick the same 1000 00:75:17.960 --> 00:75:23.029 thing. I knew it, I can feel it. Yeah, I was 1001 00:75:23.109 --> 00:75:28.109 trying to get a Gordon's alive joke in there. It wasn't coming. Okay, 1002 00:75:28.149 --> 00:75:30.350 who would I like to go next? I'll happily go next. All, 1003 00:75:30.390 --> 00:75:34.510 you got it. Okay, go for it, Craig. Hello, 1004 00:75:34.630 --> 00:75:40.420 sir. What we want you to do is think fruity five. Alive. 1005 00:75:41.659 --> 00:75:47.819 No, no, no, more empty, not quite alive. For God's 1006 00:75:47.819 --> 00:75:55.409 sake, Brian, come on anything, Brian, come on. Gordon's alive. 1007 00:75:57.250 --> 00:76:01.449 This summer. Brian's battle with himself is real. Summer Two thousand and 1008 00:76:01.489 --> 00:76:08.319 twenty one, Brian Blessed is in a yet to be titled Psychological Thriller Based 1009 00:76:08.359 --> 00:76:17.909 Around Confectionery. That's good. I can't wish. I kind of wish it. 1010 00:76:18.109 --> 00:76:21.829 I kind of wish our listeners at home could hear our conversations during those 1011 00:76:21.989 --> 00:76:26.590 five minutes. That made that so much fun. Craig, I kind of 1012 00:76:26.670 --> 00:76:29.350 I remember back when bond films would be coming out, that always be like 1013 00:76:29.390 --> 00:76:31.270 they'd be a picture of like Pierce brozen summer and it be like in production. 1014 00:76:31.670 --> 00:76:33.939 I kind of get the feeling that they who have a nice like Brian 1015 00:76:33.979 --> 00:76:40.899 blessed picture and I'll be like in production some kind of psychological thriller. I'll 1016 00:76:40.939 --> 00:76:45.579 see a boy by my ticket there and then. I think you've given it 1017 00:76:45.699 --> 00:76:54.250 more credit that it's it deserves. Kay, lovely Kevin. Chris, who 1018 00:76:54.289 --> 00:76:58.529 would like to go next? I'll do I got to get the Improv out 1019 00:76:58.529 --> 00:77:14.119 there. I cover it. Okay, okay, hmmm, HMM. A 1020 00:77:14.279 --> 00:77:20.470 young FBI couldet must receive and use help from one of the most new notorious 1021 00:77:20.510 --> 00:77:26.829 murderers of all time. He was a sweet killer and madman who will pull 1022 00:77:26.989 --> 00:77:33.100 the rappers off his victims. In this psychological thriller, it's his first day 1023 00:77:33.180 --> 00:77:39.739 on the job. He has a great big bushy weird it's Brian, blessed 1024 00:77:39.899 --> 00:77:47.729 in the silence of the Rainbow, or very good, very good, sweating. 1025 00:77:47.810 --> 00:77:53.970 I'm sweating. Okay, all right, then, my go. I'M 1026 00:77:54.010 --> 00:77:56.289 gonna go for a care with me one second. I'm going to I think 1027 00:77:56.289 --> 00:78:00.359 I might come away from my microphone a little bit. Very much like Chris, 1028 00:78:00.479 --> 00:78:03.560 I've kind of gone the kind of Improv root. So bear with me. 1029 00:78:03.680 --> 00:78:08.000 This cooled. It's could land or not. was there? See how 1030 00:78:08.079 --> 00:78:10.000 this goes. Okay. So I want you, guys, to do is 1031 00:78:10.000 --> 00:78:13.710 I want you to imagine the new line cinema logo and essentially, while you 1032 00:78:13.829 --> 00:78:16.590 hear the following voice over. You're going to see lots of images of what's 1033 00:78:16.630 --> 00:78:19.189 going on in the film and the voice over is

pretty much going to describe 1034 00:78:19.229 --> 00:78:27.420 what's going on. Here we go, new line cinema logo, food, 1035 00:78:27.739 --> 00:78:32.140 little bride pleasure. Here, pychological threag add the existence and purpose every wanted 1036 00:78:32.899 --> 00:78:39.420 identity perception. There we good. Go on, it's gone wrong. Behind 1037 00:78:39.500 --> 00:78:44.130 a sensational there, I've man here reality. Have we GONDAS ential grass, 1038 00:78:45.729 --> 00:78:50.010 hey on more n Yes, Huh, empty skittles and run right this. 1039 00:78:50.210 --> 00:78:55.329 Fuck it, holding the mind Y. is identity psychological? Something like that. 1040 00:78:55.489 --> 00:79:15.510 And there we go, the best one we've ever done. Oh, 1041 00:79:16.109 --> 00:79:25.140 super absolutely. I'm I was kind of the funny thing was because I took 1042 00:79:25.220 --> 00:79:28.539 the mic, I took you guys out of my ear, went across the 1043 00:79:28.579 --> 00:79:33.100 other side of the room and I just kind of did that and then when 1044 00:79:33.140 --> 00:79:38.569 I thinking, okay, well, I don't know how it's going. Tremendously 1045 00:79:38.689 --> 00:79:49.130 well said tremendously. I am. I'm desperately trying to regain composure. Well, 1046 00:79:49.250 --> 00:79:53.520 as best usually has. Only one winner. Has Only one winner. 1047 00:79:54.840 --> 00:80:00.119 It's Mr Brian. Bless it. That was absolute as always, listeners tell 1048 00:80:00.159 --> 00:80:09.109 us you thought, and please do give us an actor's name, an item 1049 00:80:09.310 --> 00:80:14.430 and a genre for next time and see how you can make us lose our 1050 00:80:14.510 --> 00:80:18.229 wits. I like to think of people kind of listening to this in bed 1051 00:80:18.270 --> 00:80:23.460 and kind of silently doting off to our dulcet tones and then that happening. 1052 00:80:27.260 --> 00:80:31.619 I'm gonna put I gotta put a noise warning on the next one. Oh, 1053 00:80:31.739 --> 00:80:36.489 that was absolutely brilliant. So, gentlemen, I think I think we've 1054 00:80:36.489 --> 00:80:40.890 had more that in fun that I think it's time to do our tracks of 1055 00:80:41.010 --> 00:80:46.289 the try aid, Ray Ray. So who would like to offer up their 1056 00:80:46.329 --> 00:80:49.640 track the trade first? Could I go first, sir, you most certainly 1057 00:80:49.680 --> 00:80:53.479 can. Marvelous. Please, please, sir. Could I go next? 1058 00:80:53.800 --> 00:80:57.600 Okay, this one comes from the wonderful Carter Burwell, who often does a 1059 00:80:57.640 --> 00:81:00.319 lot of stuff with the COEN brothers. Of Soundtrack that I will actually mention, 1060 00:81:00.399 --> 00:81:03.039 actually Miller's crossing. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. But that's not why 1061 00:81:03.079 --> 00:81:06.510 I'm going forward this week. I'm going to go with in Bruges and the 1062 00:81:06.550 --> 00:81:10.550 wonderful score for that film, which is controversial film, but the score is 1063 00:81:10.590 --> 00:81:13.989 absolutely amazing and I want you to think of the kind of like Bruige, 1064 00:81:13.989 --> 00:81:16.029 if anyone's ever been to bruce and lovely place, specially during winter, and 1065 00:81:16.109 --> 00:81:19.859 this takes place around Christmas. And the track I'm choosing is track sixteen, 1066 00:81:20.380 --> 00:81:25.180 is called the kiss walk past, which is from the near, near climax 1067 00:81:25.260 --> 00:81:28.899 of the film where there's a wonderful kind of like Dolly Angle, you know, 1068 00:81:29.260 --> 00:81:30.220 a Dolly Pan I think you call it. Is it when the camera 1069 00:81:30.300 --> 00:81:35.890 kind of goes around where the wonderful Colin Farrell as a little kiss and the 1070 00:81:35.970 --> 00:81:41.409 music kind of like builds to a little crescendo and it's lovely and it's romantic 1071 00:81:41.489 --> 00:81:44.689 and it just looks wonderful and the you know, music coming in and everything. 1072 00:81:44.970 --> 00:81:48.279 It's all great and then there's kind of like the promise of darker things 1073 00:81:48.399 --> 00:81:54.680 to come. So yeah, I'll go for that please. Lovely. Who 1074 00:81:54.720 --> 00:81:59.159 would like to offer up? There's next. I'll go brilliant. I got 1075 00:81:59.199 --> 00:82:08.069 that fast. Mine is from the Movie Soundtrack to Cowboy Bibo, the movie 1076 00:82:08.310 --> 00:82:14.869 coming after heels of the wonderful and successful and gorgeous and everyone should watch it. 1077 00:82:15.390 --> 00:82:21.100 Cowboy bebop animation television show from the film that follows the story of Spike 1078 00:82:21.220 --> 00:82:28.859 Story. It is the track called time to know by the seat belts be 1079 00:82:28.979 --> 00:82:36.449 waltz, and it's the seat belts do the soundtrack for the television show as 1080 00:82:36.489 --> 00:82:42.409 well, and they make a return for this because they have a very particular 1081 00:82:42.609 --> 00:82:47.560 sound that is synonymous with cowboy bebop and it would have been a shame if 1082 00:82:47.560 --> 00:82:51.720 they if they hadn't, and thankfully they do, and I would suggest go 1083 00:82:51.880 --> 00:82:58.159 and listen to the whole soundtrack to cowboy bebop and from the television show. 1084 00:82:58.279 --> 00:83:00.989 The main theme is something that I used to have on my phone all the 1085 00:83:01.109 --> 00:83:09.430 time and Dadda Dada and anyway, moving on. So yeah, this is 1086 00:83:09.470 --> 00:83:12.829 a bit less gung Ho than that, but it's a lovely it's a lovely 1087 00:83:12.859 --> 00:83:15.340 track. So time to know by the seat belts. Craig, you were 1088 00:83:15.699 --> 00:83:21.100 poised to go. I after you might well. I've gone full this time 1089 00:83:21.220 --> 00:83:28.970 around. I've gone for Marmalade Harvest, from probably one of my favorite cinema 1090 00:83:29.050 --> 00:83:35.369 experiences of the

last or fifteen years was taking my eldest to see Paddington one, 1091 00:83:36.369 --> 00:83:40.970 and then marmalade harvest is the first piece of music that you get in 1092 00:83:41.090 --> 00:83:45.960 the film and it's that bright, upbeat feel from the composer Nick Uretta, 1093 00:83:46.439 --> 00:83:53.000 and it was just a wonderful sort of panning shot across the deepest darkest Peru 1094 00:83:53.720 --> 00:83:59.350 and Paddington is, you know, bringing in all of the the oranges with 1095 00:83:59.550 --> 00:84:03.550 his uncle and aren't and it's just bright, it's upbeat and it's everything that 1096 00:84:03.630 --> 00:84:09.590 Paddington is, you know, it's everything is right with the world and, 1097 00:84:10.180 --> 00:84:13.619 you know, positive outlook on on the world. So yeah, and I 1098 00:84:14.020 --> 00:84:17.300 absolutely love it. Fabulous and Paddington. Yeah, it's just there just to 1099 00:84:17.579 --> 00:84:24.329 absolutely lovely films. It completely agree. So for my truck of the trade, 1100 00:84:24.369 --> 00:84:29.770 I've gone slightly appropriately picked. It's the first of a Zimmer one two 1101 00:84:29.770 --> 00:84:32.010 punch with that on the next episode there will also be as Mfilm with the 1102 00:84:32.090 --> 00:84:38.840 theme of from films that he's scored that I don't particularly like. So appropriate 1103 00:84:38.880 --> 00:84:43.600 enough, I've picked a track from parts of the Caribbean at world's end and 1104 00:84:44.000 --> 00:84:48.279 I've picked the what is essentially the final final tune of the of the film. 1105 00:84:48.720 --> 00:84:53.229 It essentially acts as a bit of a sweeter combination of of all of 1106 00:84:53.270 --> 00:84:59.189 the different all of the different themes and motives from throughout the last few films 1107 00:84:59.229 --> 00:85:02.590 it's called up to drink up me heart. He's Yoho and it just encapsulates 1108 00:85:02.630 --> 00:85:08.140 all of the kind of the great bits of the parts of Caribbean music. 1109 00:85:08.180 --> 00:85:12.539 It's kind of sweeping and pumping. It's got the famous he's a pirate theme 1110 00:85:13.060 --> 00:85:16.500 sort of stitched in there and it's just a great rousing piece of music and 1111 00:85:16.619 --> 00:85:20.380 it does make me smile. So that is my choice for this week. 1112 00:85:21.130 --> 00:85:26.210 And so that brings us to the end of the Monkey See Monkey Review podcast 1113 00:85:26.369 --> 00:85:30.609 episode fourteen. We are cranking through these now and, as ever, thank 1114 00:85:30.649 --> 00:85:34.760 you very much to Christopher, to Kevin and Craig, all three of you 1115 00:85:34.920 --> 00:85:39.960 for your time and for the laughs. It's been an abosluite cracker again this 1116 00:85:40.079 --> 00:85:44.760 week. It's gone on a lot longer than I anticipated, so it's just 1117 00:85:44.920 --> 00:85:47.720 lovely that we can have these these movie discussions. All we're going to do 1118 00:85:47.920 --> 00:85:53.590 is to leave you wonderful people with a couple of things for us. Please, 1119 00:85:53.750 --> 00:85:58.710 if you are enjoying the show and your podcast provider offers you the opportunity 1120 00:85:58.750 --> 00:86:01.430 to leave a review, please please leave a positive review for us, first 1121 00:86:01.430 --> 00:86:04.939 of all, just so we know that you're listening and enjoying it. Also, 1122 00:86:05.260 --> 00:86:09.859 what we'm going to do is all of our social media links, including 1123 00:86:09.859 --> 00:86:14.260 our twitter, instagram, our facebook, are linked to the tracks of the 1124 00:86:14.300 --> 00:86:18.130 trade spotify playlist, which is where all those four tracks that you've just heard 1125 00:86:18.130 --> 00:86:21.130 as mentioning, they'll all be all loaded on to that list of you to 1126 00:86:21.210 --> 00:86:25.210 listen to and can add all of those to the show notes, so you 1127 00:86:25.250 --> 00:86:29.250 can just follow those links to each of those things and hopefully get in touch 1128 00:86:29.289 --> 00:86:32.319 with us. But for now all that remains you to two until the next 1129 00:86:32.359 --> 00:86:36.039 time I'm the monkey see monky review podcast, is to say goodbye, goodbye, 1130 00:86:36.760 --> 00:86:39.560 by lovely so well by