Full Transcript for Father Malone's Weekly Guest Spot - Raising Arizona (1986) - A Year in Horror with Paul Waller

00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:32.879 my feelings about what romance is supposed to be. Uh 77 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.879 and has one of the most horrific that's true, Why 78 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:39.759 have and as one of the most horrific scenes I've 79 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:43.040 ever seen, which is Sherylyn Fenn as the result of 80 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.279 a car crash. She's she's a victim staggering around just 81 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:51.399 uh in you know, just in content. Well, I'm forgetting 82 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:54.720 the word she's. It's really scary. I saw her at 83 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:58.319 a convention once and she was sitting by herself. I 84 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:01.680 could have walked up and I would not force my 85 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:06.000 feet in her direction. She is, you would have just 86 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:10.279 buckled and yeah, it's it would have been pathetic. Sherilyn 87 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:14.600 Fenn As As far as I'm concerned, my generation's Betty Page. 88 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.160 In some ways I like her more than Betty Page. Hello. 89 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.800 Hello, I'm going to ask you before we go any further, 90 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:24.839 Nicholas Cage, where would you say if you had to 91 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:26.839 think about I've never seen faces Off, I'm never seen 92 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:29.439 that corn Air one. You know, there's tons I haven't saying, 93 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.639 which is why I'm doing this. But like if I 94 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:35.399 was to say to you, look, you can only have 95 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:38.399 one Nicholas Cage film, what film would that be? 96 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:43.519 Oh? Okay, can we put a side raising Arizona? 97 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:45.680 Yeah, we can put that one aside. 98 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:51.399 In that case, my favorite Nicholas Cage film, my favorite 99 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:55.639 Nicholas Cage performance is in right around this time period 100 00:06:55.920 --> 00:07:00.639 Peggy Sue got married with Kathleen turned her. It's a 101 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.279 time travel movie where she travels back to the sixties 102 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.240 when she was in high school and sort of has 103 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:08.439 to re examine whether she would have made the same 104 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.120 choices in her life given what she knows now. And 105 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:15.759 he plays her husband, Charlie, And this is one of 106 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.439 his first roles, one of his first starring roles, certainly 107 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:23.639 his first big studio back to films, and he chose 108 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:28.319 to give Charlie this nasally Oh, hello, the kind of 109 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:31.040 voice for the entire movie, and apparently Kathleen Turner was 110 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:35.079 livid that he was doing it, but he had a 111 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:38.199 secret weapon in that it was directed by Uncle Francis 112 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:41.000 Ford Coppola, who thought it was an interesting choice. And 113 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:46.040 I agree. It's a great character and a really underrated movie. 114 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:47.720 That movie came out the same year as Back to 115 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.519 the Future. It's all the same themes. It's just really 116 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:52.759 subtle and not sort of whiz bang. 117 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:54.879 Okay. I was going to ask you that the film 118 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:58.160 so clearly is it goes back in time in high 119 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.519 school and stuff. I came, yeah, vague memories of that, 120 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:04.160 Like there were so many, like I can't believe I've 121 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:08.720 not seen this. I remember one where he was an alcoholic. 122 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:11.199 Leaving Las Vegas. Won an Academy Award for that. 123 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:13.600 And that's it everyone was raging about. That's when I 124 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.920 started getting into Empire magazine over here, and it would 125 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.120 be like, oh right, okay, So I was discovering film 126 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:21.560 and things like that, and that was a big part 127 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:25.279 of it. Oh interesting, But then you've chosen a film 128 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:29.439 I had nervous seen raising Arizona from eighty seven. Where 129 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:32.919 does this fit in with your history with Cage, like, 130 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.720 was this a formative part of it or did this 131 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:36.279 come later? 132 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:39.480 No, this was formative. I did see this movie in 133 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:42.519 the theater when it came out. I was fourteen, and 134 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.320 by then I was already a fan of Nicholas Cage 135 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:49.639 because not only did I recognize him for the brief 136 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:54.360 part he has as one of Jeff Spacoli's stoner buddies 137 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:58.759 in Fast Times in Richmond High, but he is the 138 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:02.879 star of potentially my favorite romantic film of all time, 139 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:07.320 which is Valley Girl, where he's the he's the Romeo 140 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.159 character in that. So when he showed up in Like, 141 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:13.720 it kind of sealed the deal for me to go 142 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:16.679 see this movie because it was that guy from Valley Girl. 143 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:22.000 So yeah, I mean this, Yeah, I knew, I knew him. 144 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:25.399 I was already interested in him, and he did not 145 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:26.559 disappoint area though. 146 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:30.679 So nowadays, whenever there's a film that's got him in it, 147 00:09:31.000 -->

00:09:33.720 I will make a beeline to see it. And I 148 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.080 only noticed I was doing that with this film that 149 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.240 come out I think it was two years ago, called 150 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:41.759 Sympathy for the Devil or something like that. And it 151 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.639 doesn't matter if I like the film or not. I 152 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.240 just want to see him in another film. Do you 153 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:48.480 have that with him? A lot of people like this 154 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:51.960 guy's marmite for him or veggimite or whatever you yeast 155 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:55.399 product you want to say to America. But yeah, is 156 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:56.679 that how you feel about him? 157 00:09:57.080 --> 00:10:01.679 I don't. I don't necessarily run to see what he's done, 158 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:05.879 just because of the sheer volume of it and the 159 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:13.120 wildly shifting scale of quality. But yes, having said that, 160 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.000 if I pull up a streaming service and there's a 161 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.559 Nicholas Cage movie and it looks halfway interesting, then yeah, 162 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.279 I'll click it. I'll watch it. Definitely. He's never not 163 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:25.879 going to be interesting. He's never not going to deliver 164 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:29.559 his part of the bargain, which is to give the 165 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:32.360 best performance he can. He's always going to think, look, 166 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:36.519 sometimes his choices are terrible. We'll get to you know what. 167 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:38.919 I'll save it for the end, the worst Nicholas case. 168 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:44.039 Yes, Okay, I got like, it's such a weird question 169 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:47.480 to ask as a final question, what's the worst? 170 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:50.200 I love it? That's perfect, Okay, Well, I mean it's 171 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:52.679 kind of a haesiography here. I mean, I'm not going 172 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:54.879 to have anything bad to say about this field. 173 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:58.679 Well, all right, let's talk about this one in general. 174 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.320 Then with raising Arizona mentioned it is like very high 175 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.559 up there for you, like why, like, in general, what 176 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:07.159 is it about this film that is better than others? 177 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:11.919 It's a Cohen Brothers movie, first of all, and early 178 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:15.360 Cohen Brothers. This is when Barry Sonnenfeld, who would eventually 179 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:17.840 go on to do The Adams Family and a clutch 180 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:19.960 of other sort of common men in Black, the men 181 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:21.879 in Black movies, he directed all of those. He's their 182 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:25.440 director

of photography here, and he would be through Miller's crossing. 183 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:31.799 I think, And now this isn't necessarily nostalgia, but I 184 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:38.039 do remember at age fourteen feeling like as much as 185 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:44.919 the film school generation, the film brats, which is Coppola, Spielberg, Lucas, 186 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:50.279 John Millius, Martin Scorsese, Brian to Palmer, those guys were 187 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:53.519 like the fresh new thing in Hollywood, right, But not 188 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:57.080 to me. Those guys were already old as far as 189 00:11:57.080 --> 00:12:00.360 I was concerned, and a lot of their film making 190 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:06.879 techniques were already no longer innovative. Let's say, so, to 191 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:10.279 see a movie like Evil Dead hit the scene, and 192 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:13.320 then a movie like Blood Simple come out and then 193 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:19.000 on the heels of that this where it it breaks 194 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:25.759 more conventions than anything that previous generation could have. And 195 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:32.039 so to me it felt it felt not only new 196 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:35.759 and kind of just interesting on a cinematic level, but 197 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:38.879 it felt kind of like a revolution. It kind of 198 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:44.279 felt like filmmakers who had figured out more so than 199 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:47.159 the film brat generation, because people like Spielberg and those 200 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:50.440 guys like Lucas, like, they thought their movies were really, 201 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:53.159 really fast, and they were comparatively if you look at 202 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:57.320 the editing of Jaws compared to it happened one night. 203 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:03.840 You know, clearly I get it. But they didn't think 204 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.799 we could handle more. And the Coen Brothers did. They 205 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.639 knew we were more sophisticated than that, and that they 206 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:14.399 could make a living cartoon and if handled well, we 207 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.720 would completely accept And I don't think anyone else was 208 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:19.720 doing that at the time. I certainly had never seen 209 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:23.159 anything like Racing Arizona it came out. There had been look, 210 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:25.679 there had been screwball comedies in the thirties and forties, 211 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:29.279 where you know and sort of three stooges like Slapstick, 212 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:31.840 where it is kind of a living cartoon. The problem 213 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.080 with those are when you do living cartoons with people 214 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:37.279 and like you hit them with an anvil, it looks 215 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:40.720 like you just fucking killed them. And somehow the

Coen 216 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:43.879 Brothers can make a living cartoon where the consequences seem 217 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:48.600 weightless and natural. So that's everything that appealed to me 218 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:50.960 in this film, not to mention just the themes of 219 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:54.399 the movie in general. It's so fucking sweet. 220 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.039 There's a lot of potential baby danger in this film, 221 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:01.320 and you always feel like you're inside. I completely get 222 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.600 what you mean. Yeah, I don't know a lot about 223 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:07.039 the Cohens. Okay, I know Fargo, I know O Brother 224 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:10.320 Where art thou? And this is my third film from them? 225 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:14.840 That's it? Where should I go? Oh my god, you're 226 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:21.320 so you've not seen Miller's Crossing. Nope, Paul Waller, pack 227 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:23.639 your bags and head straight to Miller's Crossing. 228 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:28.600 My friend. It's it's a thirties gangster movie that sort 229 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.480 of closes the book on thirties gangster movies. It's operatic 230 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.399 and beautiful, all the grittiness that you could want, with 231 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:40.399 all of the sort of poetry in it, and Albert 232 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:44.440 Finney putting in a fucking heartbreaking performance as a sort 233 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:48.440 of a washed up sort of mob head. You know, 234 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:53.919 it's yeah, go there, go there, please. Now I'm now 235 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.480 I'm now lost thinking about Miller's Crossing. That's how much 236 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:58.240 I love that movie that. 237 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:02.360 I've obviously, I've heard a lot of the back catalog, 238 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:05.600 and I do know that when we saw our brother 239 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:07.720 Wear Up Now, we enjoyed it so much we watched 240 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:09.159 it the next day as well. So it's one of 241 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.519 those that was like, oh, okay, you know there was something. 242 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:14.279 It's just maybe because they're not horror, I've never gone back, 243 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:15.600 you know, I think of that. 244 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:19.799 You know, they're making solo movies these days. They're each 245 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:23.120 Joel and Ethan are each making their own features, and 246 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:26.480 they haven't done anything together for a while. Rumor has 247 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.080 it that the next one, which just got sort of 248 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:33.039 postponed just a little bit, is a horror movie. They're 249 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:36.240 actually going to make their horror film, which they have 250 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:40.799 been fucking teasing for fucking thirty five or so years now, 251 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:43.519 and thank god they're finally doing it. You know, I'm game. 252 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:45.879 But you know also that I've now ticked all these 253 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.919 in my watch list as well, because Raising Arizona is 254 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:52.960 another one that you're like, okay, yeah, there's Fargo, which 255 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:56.320 I just thought, you know, this is a faultless film, 256 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.519 Like I enjoyed it from beginning to end. It's just ridiculous. 257 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.879 And then I brother wear up now exactly the same sight. 258 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.120 Oh my god, it's so enjoyable. 259 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:11.559 Little slices of perfection. I can't I when their movies work. 260 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:17.080 They work perfectly. I force me to find a fault. 261 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:20.360 I will because that's how I am. 262 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:23.399 But have they done a bad one? Have they done 263 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:25.399 like one that's universally like, oh, that's bad. 264 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:28.879 I don't think they've done anyone that you could just 265 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:32.279 point to and say, this is terrible. But at the 266 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:37.120 very worst, it's been interesting. They have a film called 267 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:42.600 Intolerable Cruelty that I'm not sort of as invested in 268 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:45.440 as their other movies necessarily, But I won't tell you 269 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.120 it's bad. I won't say don't watch it. 270 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:49.759 Sounds sounds great, that's a good title. 271 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:52.360 Yeah, it's about divorce lawyers. 272 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:58.279 Oh oh okay, well you said, but we're going to 273 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:02.159 do this film. I'm like, here's another one. I found 274 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.559 a DVD copy, so yeah, I haven't got the best 275 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:10.519 version of But at the same time, thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it. 276 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:12.440 There are a couple of sequences in here where I 277 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.200 actually laughed and it's so hard to make me laugh. 278 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.880 Two individual sequences actually that did. 279 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:19.400 So. 280 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:22.640 I want to talk first of all about the casting, 281 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:27.799 which is something that I found interesting because of Holly Hunah. 282 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:32.160 Like it's someone that I forget how much I enjoyed 283 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:34.920 whenever I see them. She's just so strange to me. 284 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:38.880 She's so weird that she really is. She's really like 285 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:45.119 an anomaly, right, Like there's something so powerful in that 286 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:50.160

tiny frame. She's like at at the same time steally 287 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:58.000 and adorable. That's and the voice talk about understanding the 288 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:00.839 brief right like, oh this this is a cartoon. 289 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.440 I will be a cartoon by the end of this movie. 290 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.200 She might as well have been drawn onto the frame. 291 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:13.759 The whole romance of it, the way it begins, it 292 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:16.599 sort of does set you up knowing exactly what tone 293 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:18.799 this film is going to be because it is so 294 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.440 ridiculous and it happens so fast, and yet we talked 295 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:27.440 about recently, we talked about Frankenstein, where there was fast 296 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:31.920 editing to explore time. That really didn't work here when 297 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:34.720 we've got that I was in jail again. She's taken 298 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.480 another photo of him again, because that's her job in 299 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:42.079 the police department. It really works, like the way it's 300 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:45.200 all edited together. It's so you've mentioned, like the pacing 301 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.200 of it, and like they trust us to accept it. 302 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:50.480 It instantly gets you into the flow of the film. 303 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:54.400 I was instantly accepting of the way this was going 304 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:56.880 to go. And I didn't know how I was going 305 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:58.799 to be with this film. Honestly, I thought I might 306 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:01.160 not like it just from the synopsis. 307 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:04.160 So, yeah, I've seen this movie one hundred times. And 308 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:08.359 the opening eleven minutes of this movie could be its 309 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:10.880 own movie. It could be its own short fot that 310 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:13.559 you could run the end credits, which they do. I 311 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:16.319 mean they run the opening credits there, and I'd be 312 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:19.000 totally satisfied having learned a slice of life, and I 313 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:21.759 would wonder what happened when they went off to kidnap 314 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:22.359 that child. 315 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:27.039 It is so is before the title card, right, it is. 316 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:30.319 Eleven minutes and then it says raising Arizona and the 317 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:35.039 yodeling begins, and it is so every time I see 318 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:39.000 the movie, I feel energized at that moment and not 319 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:42.599 only because it's an uplifting moment where we're like, we're 320 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:45.720 so with these with this couple. Now, we love these 321 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:49.440 people so much that they're going off to kidnap

kidnap 322 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:53.880 a baby, and we're fucking on board with it. It's 323 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:59.119 eleven minutes of straight narration and the most tightly an 324 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:06.519 economic paste prologue for a film of all time. It 325 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:09.799 is every time I watch it, it is just incredible. 326 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:12.079 And you know what, I went back and read the 327 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:16.920 script last night actually, and it is it. It's all there. 328 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:20.519 It's everything is in there. It's sort of insane, like 329 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:25.559 shot for shot. I mean, the Collens are very They're 330 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:29.279 known for being almost hitchcock like in how meticulous they 331 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:35.160 are for storyboards, Like they know they know that, you know, 332 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:37.119 you spend a whole lot less money before you get 333 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:40.519 to the set if you've designed everything, so there isn't 334 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:44.000 like a lot of improv with the camera necessarily, Like 335 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:46.680 they're there to get the shots that make up the 336 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:50.039 script that they wrote, so you know that every time 337 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:53.920 they For instance, here's something that I marvel at every 338 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:56.440 time I watched the movie. In the opening sequence, Hi 339 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:00.839 Hi McDonough played by Nicholas Cage goes to jail three times. 340 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:05.160 When he first arrives in the prison, at the end 341 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:07.720 of the hallway that they're marching him down, there's an 342 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.400 inmate mapping. The second time, the inmate is now halfway down. 343 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:15.119 The third time he's right there. So that this little 344 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:18.160 weird little progressions in time that they that they've considered, 345 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:20.000 and that it's there if you want it, and it's 346 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:24.759 not if you don't. This is ultimately like a wacky 347 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:28.720 fucking comedy, but it is the most considered wacky comedy 348 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:29.519 of all time. 349 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.839 Do you think the narration? I think it must have 350 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:38.039 pained them because it's so hard to get narration right 351 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:43.319 and it works. But at certain points you're like, oh, 352 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:46.599 do we need narration? Are they? Are they thinking we're stupid? 353 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:50.920 But then when the titles come in, you're like, oh, okay, 354 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:53.359 so it's going to be just that and it isn't 355 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:56.680 just that. But I feel like, oh, that actually really worked. 356 00:21:56.880

--> 00:21:58.880 But during it I was like, well, no, I know 357 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:01.640 what's going on here? Why are we getting that? I 358 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:04.200 always worry with nerition always. 359 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:07.640 What I love about the narration here because I agree 360 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:10.279 with you narration nine times out of ten fucking chuck 361 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:12.759 it out at the script stage, like, don't show me 362 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:14.759 a door and have a character tell me there's a 363 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:18.079 door there over voiceover, what are you fucking crazy? Right? 364 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:22.039 But what they've done here is when when Hi is 365 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:26.839 just speaking regularly to other characters, he's really not the 366 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:31.119 most articulative guys, see sort of stumbling and halting. But 367 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:35.599 in his head he's a Shakespearean character, and is his 368 00:22:35.799 --> 00:22:39.920 language is so flowery and wonderful and singular. I've said 369 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:43.039 this before. You know, Tarantino gets all the fucking praise 370 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:46.920 for the master of dialogue, and I say every single time, 371 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:50.359 fuck you go watch the Coen Brothers movies because they 372 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.640 dance in every genre and then will tailor all that 373 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:58.200 dialogue to that genre and fucking perfect it. So having 374 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:04.519 this sort of you know, overly florid, flowery dialogue coming 375 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:08.200 out of this three time felon who you know can 376 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:11.839 barely hold his life together, is it's just magic to me? 377 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:15.480 Right eleven minutes in, I would say the film sort 378 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.400 begins at this point, although like, if you don't have 379 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.359 that first eleven minutes, what the hell? Like it's close 380 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:25.160 to perfect that that set up as you say, like, 381 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:27.200 I'm totally invested in their relationship. 382 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:31.119 He puts the wedding ring on her finger while he's 383 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:36.440 being fingerprinted, this cop and of this felon for that's 384 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:39.079 the setup, by the way, a cop and a felon 385 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:44.200 fall in love because she's booking him and he's invested 386 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:46.440 in her life and she's like the only guy who's 387 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:50.839 ever really seen her for her I love it well. 388 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:53.599 As I said, she's an odd egg. We'll get to 389 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:55.119 that a little bit. And I love that she's called 390 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.559 ed like brilliant. Okay, So I want to mention John 391 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:02.720 Goodman as well, just because I think he's got the 392 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:07.720 best looking scene in the film when he actually comes 393 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:10.200 does a share shank bit where he comes out of 394 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:10.480 the pros. 395 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:14.920 They emerge with the birth scene of Galeen Ever emerging 396 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.680 like mythical creatures out of the earth. It's epic. 397 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:22.200 I love it, ah very good. 398 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:24.680 There's a whole lot of birth in this movie. There's 399 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:27.559 a whole lot of mirroring. There's a whole lot of thought. 400 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:32.119 I want to get your thoughts on the editing of 401 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:37.279 this because comedies, which this is because it made me laugh, 402 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.640 I find them mainly not working because of the editing. 403 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:43.720 The editor. The editing is wrong. If I can see 404 00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:46.079 something a mile away, I don't want to. I'm not 405 00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:48.480 gonna laugh at it because I'm already I get it. 406 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:54.200 This struck me as almost flippant in its confidence, like 407 00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:57.160 it just knows it's got you from because of that intro, 408 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.640 the way it's set you up. It's so so confident 409 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:02.519 in this film that like you're going to sit with 410 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:07.279 it and go wherever it goes, because the synopsis is ludicrous. 411 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:10.160 And the set pieces, which is what they are, like 412 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:13.960 they could be Monty Python sketches at certain points, like 413 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:17.759 they're just so I can see now you've said it 414 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:22.160 about also the storyboarding. You can just see those storyboards 415 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.480 like it's so incredible. Okay, So I want to talk 416 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:28.599 about the kidnapping. That the kidnapping scene, which is so 417 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:34.680 meticulously done, edited so well, like I don't know how 418 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:36.759 they got those babies to do what they did, And 419 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:40.680 it must have been painful, painful to try and to 420 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:42.759 try and work with so many children at once. 421 00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:45.640 I'm sure it was painful in that this must be 422 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:50.279 the only time in their careers maybe where their storyboards 423 00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:55.319 didn't matter because babies don't take direction, like I imagine, 424 00:25:55.319 --> 00:26:00.119 this is their most compromised sequence of their entire filmography, 425 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:04.319 and it's hilarious and it accomplishes what you mentioned

earlier, 426 00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:09.400 the scene these babies are jumping out of cribs and 427 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:12.920 falling and there's so much peril going on, and I 428 00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:17.519 never ever worried about them. It's that the open those 429 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.759 eleven minutes of hey, gang, you're this is heartfelt, but 430 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:26.640 you are watching a cartoon, really pay off here because 431 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:29.599 this could go real bad, real quick. But the subject 432 00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:33.160 matter here of them kidnapping a baby to raises their own, 433 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.519 it's really fucked when you think about dog. Yeah, and 434 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:41.599 it never feels this movie never feels dark. It's about 435 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:46.599 a felon who steals a baby and a fucking bounty 436 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:48.720 hunter coming to kill him and his best friends or 437 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.119 escape felons who are trying to involve him in crimes. 438 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:54.920 This shouldn't work as a lighthearted romp. 439 00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:57.160 The thing is that they've got so many babies. Oh 440 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:00.960 they're not going to miss one, you know, so fine, 441 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:03.839 But then we also get the sort of joke that's 442 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:06.599 built within it that like they don't know which baby 443 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.960 they took and then the actual family whose baby is 444 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.039 They go, I think it was Nathan Junior. 445 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.160 Everyone thinks it was Nathan Junior. We're just calling him 446 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:15.799 Junior now. 447 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:20.960 Unbelievable, so witty, and again so fast because you haven't 448 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:24.039 got time to think about what's just happened, because you're 449 00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:27.119 so already invested in this couple. How are they going 450 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:31.519 to raise this child? But thank goodness they've got Cage 451 00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:35.240 because like, I know what a mess he's going to 452 00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:38.119 be in this film, and he is. He just can't 453 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.759 hold anything together and it's a very entertaining way. And 454 00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:45.079 he's not the funny guy I find in this film. 455 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.240 I'm not laughing with him or at him or whatever. 456 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:51.880 Like everything that's happening around him, that's what's funny. I 457 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:53.160 find him playing it quite straight. 458 00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:56.400 Yeah, I mean, he high is the kind of straight 459 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.119 man character. Nevertheless, I think it is a very very 460 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:03.519 funny performance. There are some moments where he just reacts 461 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:06.559 to things that make me laugh every time I see 462 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:10.279 the film. You know, it's my understanding that the Cohens 463 00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:15.279 weren't exactly stoked with their working relationship with Nicholas Cage, 464 00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:18.000 which is why thirty five years later, he has not 465 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.480 reappeared in any of their films, But none of that 466 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.480 matters because it's one of my favorite performances of his, 467 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.839 and to your point, carrying the movie and letting everyone 468 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.519 else be funny around him, but somehow managing to eke 469 00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:32.799 out laughs all the time. 470 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.480 The other time I thought he was like funny was 471 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:38.880 in looks that he was given, and it was mainly 472 00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.599 around like the dinner when the other family come. I 473 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.559 think it's in this in the Oh my God. In 474 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.880 the cast list it was called the Foreman like his fool. Yeah, yes, 475 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:52.119 his Foreman's family when they come to have dinner and everything. 476 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:54.799 And but the looks when he looks at the other children, 477 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.799 he's the only one that realizes how mad this whole 478 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.839 situation is, and that's when he's given his time to shine. 479 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.799 But again, I find it quite controlled performance. This is 480 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:08.519 Nicholas Cage after all, you know, it's quite It's just like, oh, 481 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.480 hang on, life isn't what I expected it to be, 482 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.759 and it could get a lot worse here. I'm going 483 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:16.559 to go back to crime maybe you. 484 00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:21.079 Know, Yeah, this is Nicholas Cage about to chip one 485 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:23.839 of his teeth because he thinks that's appropriate for a 486 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:26.039 role where he's about to eat a cockroache, you know, 487 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.279 in Vampire's Kiss the next year. So so he's given 488 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:35.519 two flights of let's say, overly dramatic choices here, so 489 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.279 you can imagine the Caran brothers had to fucking sit 490 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:40.759 on him, both of them. Took two of them to 491 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:41.799 get him down to this. 492 00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.240 I've just remember because I've skipped past it. Well wish 493 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.240 I hadn't. There's a Holly Hunter scene where they've kidnapped, 494 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.480 this finally successful kidnapping, and they're in the car going 495 00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:55.319 back and she just burst out

crying. She just so happy. 496 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.240 She loves him so much. 497 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.519 My first moment of laughter in this film, and as 498 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:04.640 I say, I rarely laugh at the film. The only 499 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.160 thing that gets me laughed in is that the last 500 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:10.119 stream on the left of all things on YouTube with 501 00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.880 the last podcast guys, this got me, man, It tiggled me. 502 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:18.440 And I love it because nothing does, nothing gets to me, 503 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.000 nothing gets that funny bone and just that reaction, like 504 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.279 I love it when this is why young Frankenstein can't 505 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.119 do it. It doesn't get me like that sort of 506 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.720 sense of humor. Wherever this does she just came out 507 00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:35.160 of nowhere and blurted that out. It was brilliant. I 508 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:35.599 loved it. 509 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:39.279 Yeah, it's it's what's funny is you'll see I think 510 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:44.079 basically every character will be reduced to infancy at one 511 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:47.119 point or another in this movie. I think everybody crap has, 512 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.920 you know, and this is her moment for it, And 513 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:56.119 what a choice to make. She's so joyful in her tears. Yeah, 514 00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.559 she's yeah that. I don't know if hollyhand around this time, 515 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.279 man was is fucking there's nothing like this to this day, 516 00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:04.680 there's nothing like her. I understand she's gonna be running 517 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:10.640 Starfily Academy soon. What they fucking They've announced this a 518 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:14.319 new series, Starfleet Academy, and she's the head of Starfleet Academy, 519 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:18.240 Holly Hunter. I'm down, sign me up for it. I 520 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.079 enroll me immediately in all the classes for Holly Hunter's 521 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:23.319 Starfleet Academy. 522 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:28.759 Yes, okay, Actually I thought of another bit of laughter, 523 00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:30.519 and it's her again. We'll get to it in a bit. 524 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.440 When I said that I was doing this film, fellow 525 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.720 podcast friend lo no, he said, you wait until you 526 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.559 gets to the huggy scene. So like, okay, waiting for 527 00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.400 the huggy scene. He gets the huggies, and then there 528 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:46.680 is the most looney tunes, like you've said, like cartoonish 529 00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:50.799 scene works from beginning to end. In this again storyboard, 530 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.759 you can exactly see what's going on. And this

is 531 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.000 the moment I think that your turn out of ten 532 00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.000 no notes perfect like this makes me intrigued with them 533 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.519 as directors and like, right, okay, where am I going 534 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:04.839 to go next? Which is why I asked you because 535 00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.400 if you can get something like this so spot on, 536 00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:11.920 so thrilling, it was actually thrilling to watch beginning to 537 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.440 end that whole set piece. Is this the moment that 538 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:19.200 you gravitate to as someone that's seen this so many times? Oh? 539 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.799 Yeah, it's you know. I mentioned that those first eleven 540 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.599 minutes could be a short film. This could also be 541 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:25.519 a short film. This is a series, as you said, 542 00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:31.480 of cent pieces that happened to lock together magnificently, but 543 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.480 taken on their own, they could. They're wildly entertaining and 544 00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.400 you would not need context for the sequence starts with 545 00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:43.359 them pulling up to a convenience store and he's gonna 546 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.759 he robs the convenience store. She takes off, He's left 547 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:48.519 on his own and is chased by everyone, including packs 548 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:53.599 of dogs. And it is this, this sequence makes me 549 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:55.960 laugh over and over. Boy, you got a panty on 550 00:32:56.000 --> 00:33:00.400 your head? How they can they can imbue characters for 551 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.720 one second with one line with I don't know it. 552 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.960 I've watched entire movies Paul, with two characters who are 553 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:14.240 supposed to be like romantically linked, and I've gotten nothing 554 00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.359 from either of them, whether it's the performance or written 555 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:21.559 on the page. And somehow this old man who unfortunately 556 00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:25.759 picks up high and mid pursuit like is hilarious to me. 557 00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:30.000 And I know who that guy was, you know, Like. 558 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.960 It's the escalation, the art of the escalation here as 559 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.359 things go from oh no to that's worse? Oh god, 560 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:41.680 what are you gonna do? Oh that's even worse? Like 561 00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:43.079 how are you going to get out of this? 562 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:43.200 All? 563 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.079 He's got out of it, he's got back into it. 564 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:49.799 You know, it's just so cleverly done. Again, wasn't expecting it. 565 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.400 And I was a bit worried at this point because 566 00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.920 we're nowhere near the end, and yet I feel like 567 00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:59.839 this could be the peak of a film, because how 568 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:04.960 were you gonna do something more batshit than that, and 569 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.960 I don't think they do. But I don't think it 570 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:11.360 gets worse either. I think it sort of coasts on 571 00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:14.639 like we've got you up here, and let's just see 572 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:16.599 how this film is going to play out from here on, 573 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.559 and that's I think that's what happened. The only thing 574 00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.760 that distracted me after this point was that voice over 575 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.039 when it returned. I wasn't so keen on it at 576 00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:29.159 that point, but that's it. Everything else is great. 577 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.599 Well, you know, the voiceover is now mainly whenever High 578 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:37.199 is dreaming, so we're now getting, we're getting. We're basically 579 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.000 a dream journal, so I don't necessarily have a problem 580 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.119 with that. I do want to mention one thing about 581 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:47.679 the Huggies sequence, and that another major component of why 582 00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:49.519 this movie works as well as it does, and I 583 00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:51.920 don't think would work half as well if this weren't there, 584 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:57.639 which is Carter Burwell's score. Carter Burwell has scored almost 585 00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.920 all of the Coen Brothers movies. I think he's the 586 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.760 most underrated composer working today. I think he got If 587 00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.440 he has any sort of notoriety, it's because he did 588 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.880 those Twilight movies, which I'm not holding that against him 589 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:13.599 because everything else he does is always interesting and fun, 590 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:17.599 and this apparently is so far out of his wheelhouse 591 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:19.679 to score. He did for this that the Cohens almost 592 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.840 didn't ask him to do it, and it's one of 593 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:27.280 my favorite scores of his. Nobody uses yodeling and banjo's 594 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:32.199 for wacky comedies, but here they are, and in this sequence, 595 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:35.559 in particular, just his. The way he's orchestrated the score 596 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:40.079 is you're hearing the sort of banjo regular, sort of 597 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:44.480 orchestrated score for most of the scene, but when High 598 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:49.159 runs into the grocery store, it turns to musak and 599 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.519 his aunt is playing through the speakers of the grocery store.

600 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.559 It's the same theme and has suddenly been transformed. And 601 00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.039 he does it a couple of times like that, and 602 00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.480 it just it knocks my socks off every time he 603 00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.719 does that, that he thought to do it, and then, 604 00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:06.159 like upon further reading, like Carter burr Well did feel 605 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:10.480 a bit adrift because sort of Southwestern American music ain't 606 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:16.199 his thing. But like for the fight sequence between Gale 607 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:20.880 and High in the trailer, that sequence is entirely scored 608 00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.440 by He hired a group of musicians who only play 609 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:29.159 household instruments, so it's not even traditional music musical, you know, 610 00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:35.960 to make that scene domestic sounding while still somehow rhythmic. 611 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.159 I don't know, he's a he Carter Burro. Well, everybody, 612 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.159 I will have to revisit that. I didn't notice that, 613 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:44.079 and I love stuff like that when that happens. 614 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.480 Yeah, I'm just really glad it wasn't like a ziny school, 615 00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.559 you know, with that wow sort of things going on, 616 00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:54.559 and because it could have been like this film could 617 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:59.840 easily accommodate that, and it would become like the worst cases, 618 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:03.000 like for me, like films like Scary Movie or something 619 00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:06.519 like that, when it tries to it tries too hard. 620 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.960 Mickey Mouse said, you know that don't dn't is walking 621 00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:12.199 down the fair hallway. Dun't dun't, dun't dun't dun't. 622 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:17.679 Yeah. Can you imagine how bad the initial baby kidnapping 623 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:20.000 scene would have been with all that sort of stuff 624 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:20.400 going on? 625 00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.039 Would not you know, the studio would have immediately done 626 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:25.920 that if they'd gotten their paws on this film. 627 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:32.000 Yeah. Second second big laugh here for me was at 628 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.039 the end of that Huggy scene when he gets in 629 00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:40.320 the car and she slugs him, and I just so good, 630 00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:41.880 so good. 631 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:48.320 Yeah, we've got a child. Now everything's changed. First of 632 00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:51.519 all that line reading and then when she punches him, 633 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:56.599 his wiley coyote, slow mocean reaction is so perfect. 634 00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.719 This take it back. He is good, he's good, he's funny, 635 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:02.360 damn it. 636 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:05.559 And you know, let me just say that, like they 637 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:09.440 accomplished something here that I really fucking love, which few 638 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.559 American movies can. And I think this movie got sort 639 00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:17.239 of criticized for its wildly shifting tones. People couldn't grab 640 00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.159 hold of it. And this is what I was talking about, 641 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.679 Like reviewers of this sort of baby boom generation couldn't 642 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.639 get their myths in this film because it shifts as 643 00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:27.960 wildly as it does, because it is heartfelt and it 644 00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.559 is wacky, and it is dangerous and it is all 645 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:34.679 of these things, and they trust you that you can 646 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.559 go with them on that. And some people wouldn't down 647 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:41.559 to the fact that if there's an antagonist in this movie, 648 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.119 it is Leonard Small's, the lone biker of the Apocalypse, 649 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:50.519 who appears out of nowhere, shows up as a bounty 650 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:53.039 hunter who is now going to steal the baby and 651 00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.119 sell it on the black market and now has to 652 00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.800 they have to deal with them, which seems like the 653 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:03.039 most convention sort of studio thing they could have done 654 00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:08.599 in this movie. And yet who is this guy? Because 655 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:13.519 what I've come up with and I think is born out, 656 00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:19.000 is this is the manifestation of all of High's worst instincts, right, 657 00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:23.119 because ultimately, what this movie is about is about second 658 00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:28.800 chances for characters. It's about Hi's redemption and his redemption 659 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:33.280 through family and the lengths he'll go to sort of 660 00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:38.079 protect the family. And Leonard Small's is the ultimate because 661 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:41.280 he dispenses with each of the sort of aspects of 662 00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.480 himself as the movie goes on. So Gale and Eville 663 00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:47.599 are just just a sort of bumbling, sort of the recidivious, 664 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:50.320 sort of petty thief aspect of his life, and he 665 00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.039 won't even he kicks them out, you know. And then 666 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:56.280 when the swinging couple come over, then that's when he 667 00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.639 stands up to them too like. And so finally, here 668 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:01.639 here's the final thing that's going to tear the family apart. 669 00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:03.719 It's going to take the

baby away entirely and give 670 00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:05.960 it to who knows, God knows what, and he has 671 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.440 to sort of rise to that occasion that you can't 672 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:11.679 convince me that Leonard Smallson doesn't come from High's own 673 00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:15.960 personality and it's manifested in this movie and turned into 674 00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:18.760 a real character who goes and talks to other characters 675 00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:21.760 and investigates and scenes that don't involve our man. So 676 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:24.159 we can't do that bullshit trope of who was all 677 00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.719 in High's mind the entire time? This guy ain't in 678 00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:31.880 High's mind. He's there, but I think he's from High's imagination. 679 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.719 He's manifested him. Like, did that Smalls guy? Did he 680 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.039 mean anything to you? I'd never heard of him before, 681 00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:40.840 but learning like, oh god, he's like a huge boxer 682 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:44.039 and kickboxer and black belt and karate and all this 683 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:48.920 stuff I learned afterwards. I like, did you know him already? 684 00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:50.119 Were you like? Ah, here he. 685 00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.840 Comes Randall techs Cob. I had seen him in a 686 00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:54.920 bunch of movies. He always showed up in b movies. 687 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.000 Is a tough guy, and I knew of his reputation 688 00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.320 as the man who had never been knocked out. I 689 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.960 believe that was that that that was his his thing, 690 00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:04.599 and he seems like he was a pain in the 691 00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:06.880 ass and he seems like he was trouble and I 692 00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:11.800 know for a fact like that, Uh, when they made this, 693 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.039 he he was trouble on the set for the Coens, 694 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.920 and then they had to do reshoots. And when they 695 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:21.960 contacted to to bring him in, he he charged them 696 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.039 double his salary and they need and he knew and 697 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:28.440 he said, apparently his manager said to them, you need him, 698 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:31.079 so you're gonna pay him double now, and they did 699 00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:32.559 his end. 700 00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:37.320 Like is a very early body exploding like that on 701 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.320 a screen like that? We've seen a lot since, But 702 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:43.559 like I was going, like, what has that been that before? 703 00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.320 And I was I couldn't find anything where it was 704 00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:50.320 like that before, Like a whole body exploding like that. 705 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:55.400 No, I certainly

hadn't seen. Uh, They're probably there had 706 00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.559 to have been in the past. But this is this 707 00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.039 is my first, certainly in a light romantic comedy. This 708 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.159 is my first human being exploding on screen via a grenade. 709 00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:05.719 Do you know what I want to I want to 710 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:07.800 point out to you, Paul, that that one of my 711 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.960 favorite parallels in the movie is during the baby heist sequence, 712 00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:15.000 one of the one of the children, I think it's 713 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.639 Nathan Junior, actually has crawled underneath the crib and has 714 00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:20.440 crawled forward all the way into the camera and you 715 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.400 can see High reaching underneath the crib and slowly drags 716 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.599 the baby away from the frame. In this sequence, when 717 00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:29.320 High and Leonard Small's are fighting, at one point, Hi 718 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:31.679 tries to get away from him by climbing under the car, 719 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.800 and it's the same shot High climbing into the frame 720 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:38.119 and Leonard Small's dragging him away. So it like I 721 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:40.840 was saying, all these twin things and all these baby 722 00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.800 things just like keep getting reinforced and reinforced. 723 00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:48.800 Yeah, I love that baby saying. That was immaculately put together. 724 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.239 I loved like getting the baby I view as well. 725 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:53.960 It's not something that you often see and it was 726 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.000 cleverly done as well. With every motion that they made, 727 00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.239 the camera jerked. Yeah, it's great. Have you ever left 728 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.159 anything on top of a car and then driven off? 729 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:08.280 Oh my god, so many things, all the things. A baby, No, 730 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:10.599 not a baby. I have left a car seat up 731 00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:16.000 there though, so it's it for passers by. It was 732 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:18.599 the same effect, but there was no baby in there. 733 00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:22.920 I have I have, I've heard a funk and gone 734 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:24.960 what was that? And then gotten home and gone, oh, 735 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:26.280 I think that was my cell phone. 736 00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:31.360 Yeah, classic, So that's it. Yeah, I've lost two phones. 737 00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.000 What are we doing? Why are we putting things on 738 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:35.480 the fucking roof of a car? 739 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:38.840 You think you learned? You know, as soon as they 740 00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:41.199 put a baby on the roof of a car, you 741 00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.159 know that's not going to go down. Well, I've seen 742 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:46.920 the rest of this film already, like that's a bad idea, 743 00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:49.679 and yet they still do it, you. 744 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.000 Know, And let me just say once again that that 745 00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.760 just that, like the treatment of the babies here right now, 746 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.800 there was a lot of baby movies out at the time, 747 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:03.880 right but it was coming from the baby boomer generation 748 00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:06.840 here in America, so we were getting things like well 749 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:10.000 baby Boom with Diane Keaton, or Three Men and a Baby, 750 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:14.920 you know, these sort of gentle takes on parenthood and 751 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.880 oh my, isn't life changed now that we have children? 752 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.440 A hahaha, And here are the Coen Brothers going, No, 753 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:22.599 it's going to be chaos. It's going to be a 754 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:28.159 fucking cartoon and it's going to be fucking bikers and 755 00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.239 and prison breaks. 756 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:31.760 So this will lead me into a question that I'm 757 00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:34.599 quite interesting. I've only had a first watch. You've watched 758 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.280 it multiple times. So I'm going to ask you when 759 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:39.719 you're like, for instance, you were going to reach off 760 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:42.559 the shelf for it, closing your eyes and you think, right, okay, 761 00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.000 I'm going to watch this film tonight, where does your 762 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.239 mind go? What is the scene that stands out for you? 763 00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.760 Almost every scene stands out to me. Oh, you know what, 764 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.079 Actually this is a scene. I don't think people mention 765 00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:00.960 now that often, but the scene before Game and High 766 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:05.880 fight over the baby in the trailer where Holly Hunter 767 00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:09.119 and Ed and Hi come in and she tells them 768 00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:12.159 that they have to go right. There's a moment where 769 00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:15.840 Gail and Evil are sitting on the couch and Evil 770 00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:19.760 is asleep and Gail is watching TV and there's some 771 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:25.039 yodling program on the television and John Goodman does this 772 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:28.760 thing where he realizes that he's watching this thing and 773 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.199 he doesn't know what it is and he's confused by it. 774 00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:34.239 It's such a beautiful moment because we've all done that 775 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:36.960 been like just sort of vacantly staring at something and 776

00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.599 going what is this? And it really sums up the 777 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:42.719 movie at that moment, like, wait, what is happening here? 778 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:48.280 Yeah? I also if I had like criminal friends that 779 00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.880 I'd done time with, I wouldn't be like going ah, 780 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.840 like just just because they said, oh, like you're you're 781 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.480 you're under the cush now, like you know, you control 782 00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.679 boy a woman and he just so easily came to that. 783 00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:04.039 I'm so disappointed in Nicholas Cage at that point, like, 784 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.800 come on, man, you've made a packed and you're you're 785 00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:09.360 ruining it. Damn it. 786 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.559 He's working through it, man, he's gonna he's gonna get 787 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:14.280 to that dream. 788 00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:16.960 Is there something? And I'm sure there's a many things, 789 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:18.920 but is there something before I ask you that Worst 790 00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.599 Cage movie? Is there something that we need to mention 791 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:23.480 that we haven't already about this film? 792 00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:24.559 You know? 793 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:25.480 Uh? 794 00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:28.639 That scene I mentioned is probably my favorite scene, just 795 00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:30.599 because I don't know why. It just makes me cackle 796 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:33.960 every time I watch it. Just just yodeling and a 797 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.000 decrepit looking trailer and John Goodman zoked out like that. 798 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:44.079 That image is pretty potent. But at the end of 799 00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:47.639 the opening prologue, that the when the when the title 800 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:53.239 finally comes up and the yodeling really kicks in and 801 00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:57.840 the title is it's it's a black screen, but you 802 00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.880 can see the images. Like Stranger Things would eventually do 803 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:03.280 this with their titles, where you can see the next 804 00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:06.000 image through the through the letters, and they've done that 805 00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.360 here and the image that they're showing through it is 806 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:12.920 an Arizona sunset. And something about the way the title 807 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.199 is moving and the uplift of that music and after 808 00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:18.760 everything we've just seen, and I'm just so pumped up. 809 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:22.039 That's rare in a movie to get me that elated 810 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:27.639 to excited. I'm going to make a weird comparison right now. 811 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:30.960 Martin Scarsese's filmed The Last Temptation of Christ. 812 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:39.400 Okay, Easter Sunday, No, it's Palm Sunday, and Jesus is 813 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:43.199 returning to the city after having fled because he wrecked 814 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:44.039 the temple. 815 00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:46.119 And all the money lenders, right, but now he's coming 816 00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:49.199 with a force of people there, and everyone is worried 817 00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.280 that there are going to be soldiers waiting for them 818 00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:55.920 and it's going to be trouble. And a character walks 819 00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:58.320 up to Jesus and says like, will there be soldiers? 820 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.519 And Jesus just puts his arm around him, and Peter 821 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:03.960 Gabriel's score at that point fucking sores, and I feel 822 00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.280 more than human at that point. You know, there's just 823 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.920 like a touch of the divine, and that's a little 824 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:12.320 more evident when you're talking about Jesus. But to have 825 00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:17.159 it in this nineteen eighty seven fucking romantic comedy so 826 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.519 early in the picture, it still makes me think, my god, 827 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:28.000 what promise these filmmakers have and what the power of 828 00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.639 cinema actually can be. This is one of the movies 829 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:34.239 that makes me love movies, and that moment in particular 830 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:34.880 does it for me. 831 00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:43.760 It's an incredible title called Sequence in absolutely, incredible, absolute. 832 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:46.719 I love it. I took photo of it and sent 833 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:47.960 it to a few different people. 834 00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:51.719 You send it to me, Yeah, And I had the 835 00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:53.760 same fucking feeling when I saw it, and I wrote 836 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:55.639 to you, and I was like, I'm so fucking envious 837 00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:57.639 of you because you're seeing this movie for the first time. 838 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.840 We spoke just break before fall Bit. We spoke about 839 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:07.519 Mary Shirley's Frankenstein before this title card of that one 840 00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:11.800 is a sort of cheap knockoff of a Superman thing 841 00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:16.119 where Frankenstein comes right out of the screen then goes 842 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:19.480 up and its sort of cruel. It looks so bad 843 00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.480 it looks so amateur and weak and just knocked off 844 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:26.920 in a few minutes. It looks awful. And then you 845 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.280 watch something like this where there's so much thought, is 846 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:34.880 so elegant, it's pops and as you said, it can 847 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:39.760 completely get you in a mood total

confidence in these filmmakers. 848 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:43.079 It's a world of difference. Man, that's mad. 849 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.159 And you know, can I just say that this isn't 850 00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:49.119 the movie that they intended to make after Blood Simple. 851 00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:52.199 They had already written a script and then we're told 852 00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:56.199 this is too a budget restrictive, you can't make this movie. 853 00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:58.400 So then they wrote this sort of hastily to get 854 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:03.920 another movie made. That's fucking crazy, first of all. Second 855 00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:07.119 of all, the other movie was Hudsucker Proxy, which they 856 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:09.880 co wrote with Sam Raimi, which they would eventually make. 857 00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:14.119 In fact, when when Hi is working his dead end 858 00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:17.599 factory job and mm at Walash is this fucking jerk 859 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:20.519 who won't stop talking next to him about finding dead 860 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:22.960 bodies in the road. If you notice, they work for 861 00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:28.920 Hudsucker Industries, So the Cohens are already doing shared universes 862 00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:34.239 way before we could l Hudsucker Proxy. Oh yes, if 863 00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.760 you yeah, that's their attempt at actually doing a nineteen 864 00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:43.519 thirty screwball comedy and that movie. I yeah, I don't know, man, 865 00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.079 your mileage may vary. Some people don't like that movie. 866 00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:49.559 I love that movie just on a technical level alone. 867 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:56.000 They had basically an entire miniature nineteen thirties New York 868 00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:59.599 made all the buildings so that they could shoot, which 869 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:03.000 they you don't need to do that, but they did it, 870 00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:06.199 and it's so impressive and beautiful. It's, you know, it's 871 00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.440 one of the last great sort of city scape models 872 00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:12.840 in films. I sometimes try to think, like, who my 873 00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:16.199 favorite sort of working filmmaker is, in my mind automatically 874 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:19.639 goes to David Fincher, just because he's so I mean, 875 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.480 he's just a he's a fucking he's a film animal, 876 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:24.960 you know, Like, I don't know that you can get 877 00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:27.039 better than that guy in a way. But he can't 878 00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.000 write these movies. He couldn't do it these two. Maybe 879 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:33.559 it's maybe it's the having a partner, you know, who 880 00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:38.559 thinks exactly like you do that puts them over the top. 881 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:41.039 But I really think the Coen

Brothers are the at 882 00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:44.599 least the best American filmmakers of you know, since the 883 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.119 seventies since that sort of film brat generation. 884 00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:51.639 I will let you know as I work my way through. Yeah, 885 00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:54.559 that would be interesting. Okay, so these are good films. 886 00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:57.559 I'm now going to ask you the question. The worst 887 00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.760 in your opinion, Nicolas Cage film that you have seen 888 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:01.199 so far? 889 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:07.599 Ghost Rider? Wow? The spirit not the spirit of Vengeines. 890 00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.400 That's a little closer to the spirit of the of 891 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:16.079 the book. I love Johnny Blaze. I love ghost Rider. 892 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:22.079 I'm a big Marvel horror comic book guy. He's a big, 893 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:26.320 big character for me, very excited to see him portrayed 894 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:29.960 on screen. Was not in any way excited to what 895 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:34.679 we got as a character. Johnny Blaze addicted to jelly 896 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:37.440 beans that he drinks out of a fucking Martini glass. 897 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.119 You know he's from Hell, right, everybody? 898 00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:42.360 You know? 899 00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:42.599 Right? 900 00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.519 You know this is you know, he works for the devil? 901 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:48.840 Could this be scary? Please? Look, I don't know that 902 00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:51.320 that it's his worst movie. There are probably worse. There 903 00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.599 are probably some that he was doing for the paycheck 904 00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.599 after you know, he had to sell his island or whatever. 905 00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:02.199 But that's the most disappointing movie to me because at 906 00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:04.960 first thought, putting Nicholas Cage in any comic book movie 907 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:10.440 makes sense in any role. So I was really stoked, 908 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:15.519 and I was not ultimately in any way impressed or 909 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.360 there's really nothing in that movie. 910 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:21.199 I like, I saw it at the cinema. I can't 911 00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.719 really remember it now, which is probably quite telling, but 912 00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:27.400 good for you. It's one that he went for, like 913 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.360 he BAEd for that movie, right, he actually was like, not, 914 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:32.159 I want to be I want to be this guy. 915 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:35.280 Yeah. Absolutely, but he's done that a lot. I mean, look, 916 00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:39.000 Nicholas Cage took his He's Nicholas Coppola. His name is 917 00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:42.639 Nick Cage because of Luke Cage, the Marvel comic book character. 918 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.719 So yeah, he's been dying. Obviously. He was almost Superman 919 00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:48.480 there for a while. You know, he's now going to 920 00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:52.360 be Noir spider Man in the television series, so he's 921 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.840 he's doing it. And he was in what kick Ass, 922 00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.239 basically doing an impression of Adam West's Batman from the 923 00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.800 sixties for Big Daddy in that film. I mean, this 924 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:05.039 is a comic book nerd. He's down to play, So 925 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:08.960 you know, I couldn't imagine him saying no to anything 926 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:11.800 at that point, and given that so many projects had 927 00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:15.239 fallen through, particularly Superman. To say one of his chill 928 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:19.159 his child is named kylel that that I think, you know, yeah, 929 00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:21.679 and you know, and I love the Cage obviously I have. Oh, 930 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:24.880 by the way, here's my one Nicholas Cage story. Boston 931 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.199 had a has a film festival every year, and as 932 00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:30.599 a youth in high school and stuff, I would go. 933 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.159 So I actually got to see the world premiere of 934 00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:36.800 Vampire's Kiss with Nicholas Cage, and Nicholas Cage sat in 935 00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:40.280 front of me and you know, got up and gave 936 00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.079 a little speech or whatever, and then sat down sitting 937 00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.559 directly in front of me. And the cologne he was 938 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.239 wearing was so strong that at a certain point I 939 00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.800 had to get up and leave the theater and wash 940 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.719 my eyes out in the sink in the restroom and 941 00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:02.440 then come back. So so take that Ghostwriter. That was 942 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:04.239 a terrible movie, and you did a terrible job with 943 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:06.039 that character. I am. 944 00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:09.039 I'm shocked at that. Like, there were so many ones 945 00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:11.880 that I can't even remember the title and I've just 946 00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:13.440 read it. In fact, i'm looking at it and I've 947 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.079 already forgotten the title. You know, there was so many 948 00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:20.920 in his filmography, it's ridiculous. The one so far, the 949 00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:23.159 worst one I've seen. I've still go before out of ten, 950 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:28.000 so it can't be that bad. Called Between Worlds, where 951 00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:33.000 he's yeah, exactly, I've never heard of it. It's where 952 00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:35.800 he's like he's got a dead wife and child and 953 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:37.880 they sort of come back, and I think his wife, 954 00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:41.880 I remember this correctly, his wife was like being a 955 00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:44.679 bit of a trickster trying to come back and not 956 00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:45.440 being very good. 957 00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:49.239 So it sounds all right, it sounds good for ten. 958 00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:54.199 That's the problem. I think. You know, every project he takes, Yeah, 959 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:56.280 he's taken it for the money, but I guarantee you 960 00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:59.840 there was a nugget of something in there that sounded good. Yea, 961 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:02.719 obviously that sounds good. In fact, if you read the 962 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:05.719 summaries of all of his movies, it's like, oh, it's 963 00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:07.400 as you said, like, you know, why not, I'll give 964 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:07.800 it a shot. 965 00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:10.760 Father Alone. Thank you very much for coming on and 966 00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:15.400 doing this chat. Have a good day you too, man. 967 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.800 What can we go to some family here? 968 00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.599 All right? Folks? That was one impressive film, right, one 969 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:27.400 impressive guest as well in Father Alone. Thank you very 970 00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:30.760 much to Father alone. Now, I don't claim to know 971 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:33.599 much about movies, but I'm doing a year in horror 972 00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:35.840 to learn something every time I put one of these 973 00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:38.920 episodes out because I'm passionate about them. But I do 974 00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:42.199 know that when something pops, when it stands out and 975 00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:45.880 Raising Arizona is top tier of that sort of thing. Well, 976 00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:47.599 I know when a film is going to be with 977 00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:51.079 me forever. I know when a film is a good 978 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:56.039 or great or outstanding. So will the next one be great? 979 00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:58.119 Will it be good? Will it be outstanding? Will it 980 00:56:58.159 --> 00:56:59.599 be just stunning? 981 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:00.599 I don't know yet. 982 00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:03.599 It's Nicholas Cage, so I mean it's going to be 983 00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:05.440 one of those, right, It's going to be one of those. 984 00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:08.599 Even when they're bad, they're great. So until next time, 985 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:09.679 don't swear it. 986 00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:24.320 H