Full Transcript for Father Malone's Weekly Guest Spot - Pet Sematary - 1989 - A Year in Horror with Paul Waller

--> 00:02:57.879 again soon, but for right now, listen up, listen up. 37 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:01.759 Sometimes dead is better. 38 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:06.639 The Indians knew that they stop using that burial round 39 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:11.400 the round web, sour. Don't think about Dylan and Lewis 40 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:20.240 place skirts holier. It's the place it's evil Sometimes that 41 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:20.960 is matter. 42 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:24.680 This was my number two film for a long, long, long, 43 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:29.439 long long time, and then I rewatched it and It's 44 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:33.520 not dead. Calm off the top for nine in eighty nine, 45 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:39.400 and now pet Cemetery is my very favorite horror, horror, adjacent, horror, ish, 46 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:43.520 whatever film that came out that year. So talking with 47 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:45.240 me today, I've got a guest. Of course, I've got 48 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:48.719 a guest for this one. It's Father Malone. Welcome back, sir. 49 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:50.800 Oh, thank you once again for having me. 50 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:55.719 I'm delighted to be back again with that voice. Stop it. 51 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.039 I honestly, people say to me, oh, you've got such 52 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:03.360 a radio voice, and I'm like, you don't know, fatherm Alone, 53 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:04.919 you don't know that man. 54 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:07.240 Everyone was in the sound of my voice. 55 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:13.719 Come to me, that's a different Stephen King adaptation. That is, 56 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:18.000 that's that final chapter of it, right, everyone's favorite talking 57 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:23.439 of it. Let's talk the books first. This obviously Pet Cemetery. 58 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:25.040 We're going to talk about it. We'll get into it 59 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:28.560 in a minute. But everyone's got their Stephen King origin 60 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:31.560 story and like how they got into this man, and 61 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:34.399 like when they started watching the adaptations and things like that. 62 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:38.800 I did a whole series episode on it. I think 63 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:42.079 four parter and I didn't even scratch the surface, even 64 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:44.199 though I covered every film. I'd love to hear it. 65 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:48.360 What's your origin story with Stephen King and pet Cemetery? 66 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:56.079 My Stephen King origin story is as inextricably linked as 67 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:00.319 anything formative in my life, I think. An as I 68 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:02.879 get older, I realized that this is a common story 69 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:07.000 among Stephen King fans. Stephen King is not only like 70 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:11.199 our favorite horror author or author or personality, but he 71 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:15.720 really feels like a member of the family. He feels 72 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:19.759 like an older brother. And I think that's something he 73 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:24.079 cultivated because when King was coming up in the nineteen seventies, 74 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:27.879 that was when culturally, that sort of veil between the 75 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:32.959 audience and the performers kind of began to slip, when 76 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:38.000 we realized that those entertaining us weren't living on rarefied air. 77 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:40.759 They were just like the rest of us. And King 78 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:45.040 was this meat and potatoes guy from Maine who happened 79 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:48.000 to love horror and write it better than anyone you 80 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:52.439 could possibly imagine, and like even in the like in 81 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:55.279 the prefaces for his books or the author's note. He 82 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:59.160 very early started calling us constant readers and I very 83 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:02.199 much consider my self a constant reader, and it's just 84 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:06.959 that sort of cultivation of interplay. If Stephen King had 85 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:08.759 come up in the nineties, he would have been big 86 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:11.600 in chat rooms, you know, like I'm sure he would 87 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.319 have been interacting fully with fans that because but it 88 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.920 was the seventies, so and I'm a child of the seventies. 89 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:22.959 I was born in seventy three, so I had a 90 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:28.439 large group of older cousins who were all teenagers and irresponsible, 91 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:32.319 and my favorite of them was my horror loving cousin Susan, 92 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:37.079 who spoke about Stephen King in hushed tones even when 93 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:39.800 I was very very young five six, like keep hearing 94 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:43.040 the name and keep hearing the titles of his things. 95 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.360 And it wasn't too long afterwards that I began watching 96 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:51.759 Stephen King movies. I think my first was definitely Creep 97 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:55.279 Show that was eighty two, and once that gate opened, 98 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.759 I read everything I could get my hands on. I 99 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:04.000 have a first edition of The Dark Tower, uh, the 100 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:07.240 Dark Tower of the Drawing of the Three, like when 101 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:09.160 it first was introduced and they're like, we have a 102 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.920 numbered number I have, I have, I have the audiobook 103 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:15.759 of the Dark Tower, The Gunslinger Read by Stephen King. 104 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.279 Autographed by Stephen King. I bought two, just one just wanted. 105 00:07:19.079 -->

00:07:19.560 To listen to. 106 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:24.639 Uh. I. I grew up in just north of Boston, 107 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:29.360 in a town called Revere, Massachusetts, which we're all in 108 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.879 New England. We all know the New England Times that 109 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:36.319 spend a lot of time in Maine. There's something particularly 110 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:40.600 you feel a particular connection being a New Englander and 111 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:44.439 being a fan of Stephen King. He's kind of speaking 112 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:49.399 our language. If you read his novel Misery, when Paul 113 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.920 is first coming to consciousness, he keeps mentioning his pain 114 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.560 and how it resembles the tide, and it's it reminds 115 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:02.439 him of the tide rolling in covering these pilings on 116 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:07.879 Revere Beach. That's my hometown. So the Stephen King connections 117 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:13.720 are just infinite. Now, in nineteen eighty five, that's when 118 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:16.879 the book I'm holding this first edition copy of pet 119 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:21.160 Cemetery was released. Now, what the book company did was 120 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:25.079 cultivate this idea, can Stephen King write a book so 121 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.319 scary it would scare himself? That was how they sold 122 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.319 this book as the most terrifying Stephen King book. So 123 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.200 I purchased it and while you see it in my hands, 124 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.679 and it certainly was in my hands in nineteen eighty five. 125 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:37.720 I didn't read this till nineteen eighty eight. I was 126 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.639 terrified of this book, particularly when I heard one of 127 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:46.200 those older cousins mention, what didn't know I was an earshot. Yeah, 128 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:49.440 And then I got to the scene where the cat 129 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:52.519 is back and there are bits of garbage bags stuck 130 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:54.759 in its mouth because it ate its way out of 131 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:57.759 the grave, and I went Jesus Christ, I can never 132 00:08:57.799 --> 00:08:58.840 read that book. 133 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:04.279 Right for me. Whenever a book would come out at 134 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:07.679 that exact time when you're talking about, I would be 135 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:10.200 there for like day one. I would know about it, 136 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:12.279 and I would get it and I would like read 137 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:14.799 it front to back. Some took a bit longer, remember 138 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:16.960 Tommy Knockers took me at a fair bit of time. 139 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:19.240 It took me forever because of the pages were so 140 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:20.960 thin and was so long. 141 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:23.919 But like they crammed a lot of words on those 142 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:26.879 fucking pages. But if we had the best job in 143 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:29.039 the world in the nineteen eighty Stephen King's. 144 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.399 Editor whatever whatever, Steve, and yet like the ones that 145 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.360 you would breeze through, I remember thinner and that was 146 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:39.919 quite a thin one, and I was like, I need more, 147 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:42.919 Like I can't be without Stephen King for a few 148 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:45.039 months now, but I've read that. What am I going 149 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:48.399 to do? Read James Herbert? Come on, you know, get 150 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:50.320 you back together. And now, like when you look back 151 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.519 at that period when we were buying these books, that's 152 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:56.720 the most prolific thing. Still, that was crazy. 153 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:00.440 The fact that he produced as much good wor is 154 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:04.360 he did in such a short amount of time in 155 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:10.320 such volume is impressive. Not only was the work of quality, 156 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:15.279 he really was the one who kicked down the doors 157 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:19.360 for horror as far as I'm concerned. You could continually 158 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:24.639 dismiss horror as a disposable genre when it was limited 159 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:29.639 to cinema, but you can't when it's literature and when 160 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:32.600 everyone is reading it and everyone is saying it's good 161 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:35.600 and everyone, I mean, you know, just recently he was 162 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:38.720 made some chair of something or other with some poet 163 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:42.559 laureate kind of an award, and there was some uproar 164 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:44.320 over it, and I'm like, this is a man of 165 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:47.799 letters here in the United States, Like he got so 166 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:51.080 many people to read, just on that level, at the 167 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:55.360 encouragement of literacy in this fucking crazy nation I live in. 168 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:01.120 What is it with horror though? Why is it deemed 169 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.960 a lesser art form? I've never got that. Never. Some 170 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:06.559 people just. 171 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:10.000 Don't like it because some people are afraid of death 172 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:11.919 to the point that they don't ever ever want to 173 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:15.519 think of it. And I think the more reasonable people, 174 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.480 you and me, Paul, they're constantly rehearsing for it because 175 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:21.120 we know it's coming. And what better way to do 176 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.039

that than with the aid of Stephen King. 177 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:26.320 Yeah, I tell you he made me, as a youth 178 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:30.919 think about death, which I'd never done before. Always, the 179 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.840 thoughts of my parents dying, even though I didn't really 180 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:37.080 get on with them, terrified me. Like people die. Can't 181 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:41.759 handle that, pets dying, Nope, can't handle that. And he 182 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:44.120 would put it in such a way where you would 183 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:46.919 accept it and you can move on from there. I 184 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:51.000 think because of our age when we were getting into it, 185 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:55.080 I'm seventy four or seventy three, I just think that 186 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:58.919 he was like a surrogate parent in a way. Like 187 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:02.080 a lot of the things I could talk to my 188 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:04.720 mum and dad about Stephen King will tell me and 189 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:10.159 it might be like a ridiculously gross scene in it 190 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:13.600 that everyone knows about. But it might be this tender 191 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:17.759 thing that Annie Wilkes is thinking in her head about 192 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:21.159 Paul Sheldon. You know, it might be that. Fair enough, 193 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:24.200 it does go a bit wild, but he was the 194 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:27.360 person that I would go to. He was my dad. 195 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:30.279 Him and Henry Rollins's that's a weird set up, but 196 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:31.600 there we go. That's it. 197 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:34.960 Personally, I'm in the same boat. I mean that I 198 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:39.399 was fatherless for you know, age ten on, and I 199 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:41.759 mentioned Stephen King being an older brother. I didn't want 200 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:44.440 to get creepy with if people didn't feel this way, 201 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:46.759 but like, yeah, like he's he is sort of a 202 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:50.440 father figure to all of us, like particularly us horror fans, 203 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.480 you know, like as somebody who understands that our minds 204 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:57.440 aren't preoccupied with happy bullshit. 205 00:12:57.879 --> 00:12:59.759 Yeah, I tell you. The one that got me and 206 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:04.759 that made me just think you're more than every other 207 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:09.000 thing that I read is that Delora's Clareborne. I think 208 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:12.960 it was cooled, is it Claiborne? Yeah, And that just 209 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:15.360 killed me because that was a lot of my life 210 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.840 going on there. I was a kid in that scenario, 211 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:21.279 watch my parents fight and things like that, and it 212 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.759 affected me in such a way that when you put 213 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:26.960 that book down, you've not just put that book down. 214 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:30.240 It's sort of like, well, I get that now, and 215 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:33.440 I can move on with my life. No one else 216 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:36.000 was doing that for me. I wasn't seeing a psychiatrist 217 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:40.120 or anything like. It's weird what an effect Stephen King 218 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:45.200 has had throughout our lives. And if we're horror nuts, 219 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:48.120 you can't avoid this man. You cannot avoid him. 220 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:51.360 This is a man who, whenever you see him interviewed, 221 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:55.080 is nothing less than jolly, even in anger. He seems 222 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:59.440 like a really happy dude, right right, And yet this 223 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:02.799 is the man who has plumbed all of the depths 224 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:06.240 of all of our worst fears in order to aid 225 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:10.080 us through our own Stephen King has never lost a child, 226 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:13.440 but imagined it for us, and and you know it 227 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:17.519 gave us the bedrock for it. And you know, look, okay, 228 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:20.320 I'm just going to say, like I read this book 229 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:24.080 when I was a kid, I had no concept. The 230 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:27.159 scary parts for me in pet cemetery when I was 231 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:30.240 a child was the resurrection parts of it. The fact 232 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:32.919 that you would that the dead would come back, and 233 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:35.840 that the dead would be so mean that the dead 234 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:40.120 would be so vitriolic, like I don't even It didn't 235 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:43.399 bother me that that young gage was stabbing people with 236 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.159 a scalpel. It bothered me that he knew things that 237 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:49.559 he shouldn't and was using those to taunt you and 238 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:52.279 to let you know that hell exists and you're going there. 239 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.879 That was the frightening part for me as a kid, 240 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:59.759 and those parts are still fucking terrifying today. But that's 241 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:01.600 not why King wrote the book. He wrote the book 242 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.159 because his child almost got run over by a car, 243 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.720 and recently his daughter's cat had been run over by 244 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:11.799 a car, and he had the monkey's paw on his 245 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:15.320 brain and he just scrambled those around and gave us this. 246 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:17.399 So that was my knowledge of it then, And then, 247 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:19.919 of course I saw the movie years later. I was 248 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:25.559 a

young father who actually lost a child and hearkening 249 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:28.399 back to what we just said about Stephen King, the 250 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:33.000 sort of father figureness of it. Since that date, I 251 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:40.840 don't particularly enjoy any entertainment where a child dies. Nobody does, obviously, 252 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:44.519 but if it's the central point of a piece of entertainment, 253 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:51.519 I'm not really interested. I've done that, so it never 254 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:55.480 occurred to me the level of comfort I would receive 255 00:15:55.960 --> 00:16:01.480 in rereading pet cemetery and knowing that this guy, this 256 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:05.840 father figure of mine, had put himself through it and 257 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.559 dredged up the worst instincts that you can have and 258 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:14.879 still let you know that that's okay if that makes sense. 259 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:22.159 It does make sense. I can't imagine what you've been through. 260 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:27.279 So I'm so sorry to hear that. What I would 261 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:32.360 ask about it when you revisit a film like this, like, 262 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:35.879 how can you how? How does it make you feel? 263 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:41.759 Well? In this case, with this movie, the parts with 264 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:47.399 the child endangerment were always tough. Young Gauge, who is 265 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:52.799 an angel in this movie, Miko hughes. That truck bearing 266 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:55.720 down on him is one of the most horrific images 267 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:56.879 I've ever seen in any film. 268 00:16:57.399 --> 00:16:59.279 Insane. Yeah, it's insane, But. 269 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:02.679 You know that was when I was sixteen see in 270 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.799 the movie. Honestly, I'm a bit inured to that. 271 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:06.279 Now. 272 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.519 I can watch a movie with these things happening, and 273 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:11.839 it's not my preferred thing because I don't want to 274 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:16.079 think about my own But there is a level of remove, okay, 275 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:20.000 particularly with this movie. Not to make light of it, 276 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:23.079 but when you asked what movie from a list of 277 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.440 movies from nineteen eighty nine, I would want to watch 278 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:28.799 huge list, right, huge list of movies. And believe me, 279 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:31.119 there are dozens that I would love to talk about. 280 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:32.920 But this one I wanted to talk about because I 281 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:35.000 didn't want to let anyone else talk about it, because 282 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:38.480 I don't want anyone else praising the movie overly because 283 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:40.759 I think this is an okay movie. I think this 284 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:44.119 is a missed opportunity of a movie. There's a whole 285 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:47.799 lot that's really, really good, but I wanted the opportunity 286 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.440 to guide people back to that fucking book, because that 287 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:54.359 book is a masterpiece. That book should sit on the 288 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:59.000 shelf with Frankenstein and a Dracula and the Doctor Jekyl 289 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:03.519 and Mister High, as purely American horror as you can get, 290 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.519 and a very and I'm not saying this as a 291 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.440 chauvinist in any way, shape or form, but a very 292 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:14.480 very masculine tale. You know, Stephen King accused a long 293 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.480 time of not being able to write for women, and 294 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:20.720 I think a book like Dolores Claiborne is his attempt 295 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:23.359 to course correct that. Like I think he wanted to 296 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:25.000 tell that story, But I think it was important to 297 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:26.640 him to tell that story to let people know that 298 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.720 he could write female characters. And I my opinion was 299 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:32.559 when his characters were good, they were good, and when 300 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:34.559 they were bad, they were bad, and the gender didn't matter. 301 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:36.799 So you're going to get some good and some bad. 302 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:43.160 But the story in head Cemetery, Rachel the wife is 303 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:46.160 definitely part of the story. But this is very much 304 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:49.680 about Lewis Creed. This is a father's story, and it's 305 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.920 a story between a father and a father figure and 306 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.640 all the ways they can guide and misguide you. At 307 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:58.359 a point in the movie, in the book, you know, 308 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:00.400 Judd says like, you know, women are supposed to be 309 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:02.920 the best keeping secrets, but I think men are better 310 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.119 because men will do crazy shit like take their dead 311 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:10.519 child to the fucking Mick Macaburial grounds to bring them 312 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:12.640 back to life. And it's true. 313 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:17.519 I want to rewind because I do think when I 314 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:21.279 had this at number two, I it was nostalgia based. 315 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:23.440 It's my list, I'm putting it there. I had such 316 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:25.359 a great time with it as a kid, Like I 317 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.519 know what people think about this film, Like you say, 318 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:30.759 a lot of them think it's okay, or they think 319

00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:34.279 it's worse. It's never one. That's like, it's a film 320 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:36.920 full of terrifying scenes. Let's say you know you've got 321 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:40.559 the zeldest scene you've got, You've got when Gauge goes mad. 322 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:43.079 You've got those scenes. But the reason I put it 323 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:47.240 at number one, and we'll approach this conversation like everybody 324 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:50.039 that's listening knows pet cemetery. Okay, I think it's the 325 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:57.559 only way we could do it. Oh the what I 326 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.559 think that the ending, the last twenty minut it's also 327 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:03.279 I think it's perfect. I was watching this and I 328 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:04.759 was like, how am I putting this at number two? 329 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:08.799 It's actually good? Like I always ah, this is memory good. No, 330 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:12.440 this is actually good. And yeah, there are misfires everywhere. 331 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:15.680 I don't care. I don't care. When you've got an 332 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:20.000 ending that had me gripped on my thirtieth watch maybe 333 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:23.279 in my life, like I was like, I'm gripped last 334 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:26.599 night watching this thing, like Jesus, Jesus. That's why it's 335 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:29.880 my number one, because like those last I don't know 336 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.720 twenty scenes in total probably just killed me, got me 337 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:35.480 so bad. 338 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:39.839 I will concede that those last twenty minutes are pretty 339 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:44.400 fucking rocking. And as to the rest, you're right, it 340 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:47.440 is a collection of scenes. There rather, there are scenes 341 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:50.640 that are good and then there are scenes that involve 342 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:53.759 their daughter Ellie. Wow, you don't have to say it. 343 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:59.039 I will blaize Bradal and her equally untalented twin pull 344 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.880 me out of this movie so fucking hard that it's 345 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:07.079 hard to bring me back in. You know, you know what, 346 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:09.400 There's only one way to do it, and that's Fred Gwinn. 347 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:14.039 Because Fred gwyn is perfect in this movie. Every scene 348 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:17.079 is in his magic, every fucking scene. And to think 349 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:20.119 that there was a time when he couldn't get cast 350 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:25.480 in things because all anyone remembered was Herman Munster. Even this, right, 351 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:30.920 even this, even this, which is crazy. I encourage if 352 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:34.559 anyone doubts the prowess of mister Fred Gwinn. Watched The 353 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:38.000 Cotton Club. It's not one many people remember, but he's 354 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.319 in that. He's Bob Hoskins, like number one guy in 355 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:43.559 that movie, and he's fucking great and scary. 356 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:47.519 He in this was captivating from moment well, because I 357 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:51.079 never really watched it critically, Why would you unless you 358 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:53.039 know you're gonna chat about it or something like that. 359 00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:54.640 So I just watched this for fun, as I say, 360 00:21:54.759 --> 00:21:57.039 is something in my youth, and I put it on 361 00:21:57.079 --> 00:22:01.079 and I enjoy myself, but watching it critically, like even 362 00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:05.559 the guy that plays Lewis Creed dy Ae mid Yeah, 363 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:09.200 like roupy so ropey, like just passable. We've got a 364 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:13.160 coffee shop in the UK called Costa Coffee and he 365 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:18.240 is that bland. He is just what's going on? 366 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:24.079 Only below the Ellie character's performance is Dale Midkiff's son 367 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:28.359 ambulance performance. Here Lewis Creed needs to be fucking charming. 368 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:32.240 We gotta we gotta love this guy and then cry 369 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:35.039 when he goes up here. He's just a dead fish 370 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:39.240 from moment one when you read that book and I 371 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:40.759 used to love this as a kid. You'd read the 372 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:42.759 book and it's coming out in. 373 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:47.160 Cinemas and my parents and they advertised in the local 374 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:49.319 cinema so I would get free tickets and it was 375 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:53.279 going to go get to see this film, And like, 376 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:56.680 I just can't imagine how disappointed I would have been 377 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:01.599 in watching that one. I'm I didn't. I'm glad I didn't. 378 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:04.079 Because I would have been dotted well I saw this 379 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.799 on my sixteenth birthday. This movie came out April twenty first, 380 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.079 nineteen eighty nine. I saw it April twenty second. I 381 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:12.240 saw it with the girl I would eventually marry and 382 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:16.279 have that job on. And honestly, as much as I 383 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:18.960 appreciate a lot of the movie, I was crushed by 384 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:24.079 this movie because I'm not I don't necessarily fan cast. 385 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:26.720 When I'm reading a book, I don't picture an actor. 386 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:30.119 I just get the general sense of whatever they described, 387 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.480 and you know, go with that, right. So I didn't 388 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:36.720 have anybody

in mind for Lewis Creed, but it wasn't 389 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:38.000 Dale Midgiff. 390 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:41.240 I don't get it. I don't know, Like you've got 391 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:45.839 the job of casting director and that's your job. Like, 392 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:49.519 how can you get it so wrong? I don't know. 393 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:52.279 Now here's the thing. Horror movies have a stigma, and 394 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.359 not every actor wants to do them. They look down 395 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:57.880 on them, just like the general public was looking down 396 00:23:57.880 --> 00:23:59.720 on them as a step down in their career. So 397 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.759 hard to get a list actors to do these kind 398 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:05.559 of things where it was anyway, you know, we live 399 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:09.200 in a post A twenty four universe, But come on, 400 00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:12.039 there's got to be some struggling, fucking guys out there 401 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:14.279 who are super fucking talented and want to be in 402 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:16.640 this movie, and I want to see them. I wanted 403 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:19.599 the casting director talking about his casting as if it 404 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:21.880 was a name. I didn't know who the fuck Dale 405 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:24.000 Midkiff was when this movie came out. I don't know 406 00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:24.880 who he is now. 407 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:29.119 Whether you've got someone like Denise Crosby, right, who is 408 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.000 coming off Star Trek and she wants, she's hungry to 409 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:34.680 become that film star. She wants to be the lead 410 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:37.440 in a film. But she takes this on and she 411 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:40.359 gives it her all, even though like on paper like, well, 412 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:44.200 all my motivation when it gets there is actually thanks 413 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:46.440 to a ghost that's encouraging me to do things. You know, 414 00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:49.039 where's my urgency or whatever. You could just see what's 415 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:51.359 going through her mind. But at the same time, at 416 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:54.119 least she's giving it something. You know she's doing it, 417 00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:56.680 Like in that bus joy or not bus Journey, in 418 00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:59.599 the truck journey when she's coming back home and she's 419 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:02.440 in a she doesn't care who she gets in that 420 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:05.319 truck with, and you can see the desperateness in her face, 421 00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:09.519 like you know, she's giving it something. But like you say, 422 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:12.839 Lewis Creede's just like I'm gonna just take my son 423 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:14.880 and gonna Wow. 424 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.599 Do you think Dale Midkiff had the wherewithal to go 425

00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.200 dig up his dead child? Because that's where the rubber 426 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.160 meets the road with pet cemetery, right Like we could 427 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.839 all say if your child was struck down in front 428 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:28.279 of you, and then you could pick them up and 429 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:31.000 walk to the pet cemetery and do that. Everyone would 430 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:33.240 do that. It's the moment where you get a pick 431 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.039 axe and a shovel and you scale the cemetery wall 432 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:39.680 and wait until dark to dig up your child. I 433 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:43.400 don't think Dale Midkif's doing that. No, I think you're 434 00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:51.720 incredibly accurate that the mere suggestion of dinner, I can't 435 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:54.359 you know what I can Just if I was in 436 00:25:54.400 --> 00:26:00.319 that funeral parlor and I was was it Rachel was 437 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:01.880 her character's name in it? 438 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:04.759 If I was Rachel's dad, I would also punch him. 439 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:06.440 I told him, when you were first married, you'll have 440 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:08.720 all the grief you can stand and more, I said, 441 00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:10.440 And I look at. 442 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:14.240 This, I hope you're right now. Where Why are you 443 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:34.160 When he was playing in the road that yo just 444 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:40.279 just because it's him. I would wallop like whatever, Yeah, 445 00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:43.279 that's so funny. That's seen as like a tragedy in 446 00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:46.480 the book. But you're right with Dale Midkiff. You're like, yeah, man, 447 00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:50.799 what you had one job? Don't be asleep while you're 448 00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:52.920 watching the child. Though to be fair, there was like 449 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:54.839 ten of them there, it seemed, and none of them 450 00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:59.799 were watching engage. Even Judd was more engaged engage. You know, 451 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:03.640 it's like, ah, what are you doing? But yeah, I 452 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.960 need to talk about that scene because how devastating this is. 453 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:10.000 As I say on my thirtie very Watch or whatever, 454 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.599 it is like I'd never noticed the way it's cut. 455 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:16.440 You don't see anything at all apart from a spinning 456 00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:20.680 shoe afterwards. It's so cleverly done, and yet the weight 457 00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:24.640 that it carries to get something that heavy at that moment, 458 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:28.240 and obviously this whole film depends on that moment, it's 459 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:32.160 still shocking that you've gone from a nice quick setup, 460 00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:36.240 you're all

in the field just eating a picnic, and 461 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:40.319 then bang that happens. It's so crazy the way cinema 462 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:44.039 was back then. I can't fathom it like watching that, 463 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.519 Just as I said last night, it had me do 464 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:50.000 a turn, you know, I was just like, wow, like, 465 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.839 that's a scene and it's wonderfully set up actually because 466 00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:57.640 in the opening it nearly happens where a gauge is 467 00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:01.839 wandering towards a Judd intervene and it's a great jump scare, 468 00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:03.119 even beautiful. 469 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.720 And once that happens, you think, as an audience member, well, 470 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:13.160 certainly that can't happen again, right, you all learned that lesson, correct? 471 00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:16.200 Do you know? It's funny for the first time in 472 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.200 rewatching the movie and rereading the book, I did. I 473 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:21.160 did it all Paul for this podcast, have re read 474 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:24.039 the book, I rewatched the movie, I rewatched the fucking remake. 475 00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:27.079 I watched that fucking prequel to the remake. This is 476 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.920 how this is the first time I had this thought. 477 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:34.640 Maybe you should put up a fence, post it note ending, 478 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:38.400 you know, put fence up so our child and or pets, 479 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:43.000 mainly our child doesn't get run over by the Arinco 480 00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:47.240 trucks which are many and are very fast. 481 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.440 And yeah, I even expected when he goes back in 482 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.279 after the funeral into the house to post it note 483 00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:59.680 on the fridge saying get fence, right, he slaps this 484 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:05.039 for ah, but yeah, yeah, one hundredcent. My wife when 485 00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:09.640 we were watching it yesterday, the first thing she said, right, yeah, 486 00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:11.839 but then I guess you've got no film right now? 487 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:15.960 Okay, but can I can I broach the subject of 488 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.279 the Windigo? Which is which is the creature living in 489 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:22.960 the woods, this Native American here's the thing growing up 490 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:28.039 in New England that the windgo isn't necessarily a well 491 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:30.279 known it is now, but at the time was not 492 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.839 a well known myth. But there's a scene in the book, 493 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.839 and it's when Lewis has finally made the decision. He's 494 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:40.160 going to go Berry Gage and the Micmac Burial ground, 495 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.720 and he's he's walking his body through the little God 496 00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:47.599 Swamp and he hears the Windigo, this massive thing felling 497 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:50.920 trees out in the distance, and it's getting closer. And 498 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:54.920 then a face appears before him in the mist, and 499 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:59.319 it has horns and its tongue lolls out, and he 500 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.440 described it is gibbering crazily at Lewis as he's walking, 501 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.599 and it always stays the same distance from him as 502 00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:09.119 he's walking through this scene. Paul, when I read that, 503 00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.319 I screamed and I threw the book across the. 504 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:14.319 Room, doesn't just say that that noise is like a loon. 505 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:15.119 A loon? 506 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:16.319 What's a loon? 507 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.880 A loon is a bird, and they make a very 508 00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:24.839 terrifying call, like a scream. And so loons are one 509 00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:28.279 of those birds that are purported to be harbingers of 510 00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.200 your death, like an owl. Like you hear a loon calling, 511 00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:34.200 it might be your death, which we've all heard loons, 512 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:36.279 So that one doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 513 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:39.079 That's the common way to dismiss something. Oh it's just 514 00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:40.640 a loon, just okay. 515 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.799 In the film, you do hear that noise, but they 516 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.079 don't broach that. And it's not because of a budgetary reason. 517 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:48.440 I think. 518 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.960 I just think, oh I think it is a budgetary reason. 519 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:53.960 Oh, I just think it might open in a whole 520 00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:56.279 can of worms that we would then have to explore 521 00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:58.759 that the book is free to do, because you know, 522 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.200 you can get into a book just a handful more pages, 523 00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:05.559 whereas in a film that's, oh yeah, fair enough, it's 524 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:06.279 a lot more money. 525 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:10.519 Is the scene that I described they attempt in the film, 526 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:13.240 and this is the most disappointing, even worse than both 527 00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:17.319 of those performances. When he's climbing up the gravel thing 528 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:21.440 and the face appears, which is, come to find out, 529 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:25.160 just the prosthetic of Fred Gwynn that they used in 530 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:29.480 the finale, and they've morphed it and done this weird 531 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:31.759 thing to make it this like warning, like that thing 532 00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:35.440

is coming up and saying no. And here's the thing 533 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.319 in the book. I'm sorry to keep comparing the two. 534 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:39.440 I know I shouldn't do that. 535 00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.319 But anyway in the book, in the book, those trees 536 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:45.000 are being felled, this face has appeared before him. Right, 537 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:49.279 None of it is in any way attempting to dissuade 538 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.480 him from going. It's, if anything, attempting to make him 539 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.640 even crazier to continue this mission to resurrect his dead child. 540 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.559 Right in film, there is a tree that gets felled, 541 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.240 but it falls directly in front of Lewis's creed. Everything 542 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.000 in the film seems to keep attempting to keep him 543 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.119 from doing this, which is the inversion of the book. 544 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:13.319 It's weird when an author adapts their own work and 545 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:16.960 then changes something as fundamental as that. 546 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:19.960 Because it's been a long time since the book, probably 547 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:25.200 fifteen years, I would say, so, I haven't read it. 548 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.519 For a long time. But I was thinking just that 549 00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:32.240 in the scene where she gets a higher car, so 550 00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:35.359 before she grabs onto that truck, she's got higher car, 551 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:39.440 but that the pet Cemetery is trying to dissuade her 552 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:42.559 from getting there, so it makes her crash and Pascal says, 553 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:44.480 it's not letting you get there. I was just like, 554 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:46.640 was that in the book. I don't recall that. 555 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:50.039 So the idea that the Penn Cemetery might in fact 556 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:53.200 be attempting to keep her from getting there is. But 557 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:57.039 of course the Victor Pasca character is not. That is 558 00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.480 an innovation for the film. He appears in the book 559 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.839 as a ghost in one scene to say, don't go here, 560 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.160 don't do this. I'm just saying thank you for trying 561 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.920 to help me when I was dying bye, saying that. 562 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.160 As ridiculous as it is, I love him in this film. 563 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.640 The fact he's on the poster as a kid, Oh 564 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:18.000 my god, in a video shop. 565 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.240 It was so good that they would have that, and 566 00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.480 you would always I would look because the video shop 567 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:23.599 was across the road for me, and I would look 568 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:25.160 out my window and I could see before I go 569 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:29.519 to bed, Victor Pascal's face I loved it. Loved that. 570 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.920 Yeah, it's a great character. I love the innovation. I 571 00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.319 love the idea of there's a good documentary about this 572 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.519 where they interview everybody, and the actor who played Victor 573 00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:40.720 Pascal kept saying I kept viewing him as a guardian 574 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.319 angel and not a ghost, and that's great, and that's 575 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.039 what he is. But what's great also is that his 576 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.039 head is split open and he's fucking horrifying. 577 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.400 Already name checked in one of our conversations, maybe this 578 00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.759 one I can't remember, but like in American Werewolf in London, 579 00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:01.359 where like you've got the similar thing with the dead 580 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.319 one trying to like guide you through and like do 581 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.799 the best thing. Yeah, I think it's like a really 582 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:11.280 little great trope that isn't utilized very often. I think 583 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.400 it's just these two films. I love that, And yeah, 584 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:16.639 I would just wish it was a bit more gross, 585 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.880 you know, like he looked a bit more slimy and stuff, 586 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:21.519 because you never really get to see apart from like 587 00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.880 the red raw brain smashed up sort of. 588 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:29.039 Bit it's okay, Well, you can feel the dirty hands 589 00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:31.519 of the MPAA all over this film. In fact, when 590 00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:34.480 Victor Pascal dies they do this sort of step printing thing, 591 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:36.599 which is kind of a slow mo where you're just 592 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.800 seeing the top of his head where you get the 593 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.440 hint of gore. Guarantee you that's like an MPAA cut, 594 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.679 like you did this close up of the fucking brains 595 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:47.519 coming out, Like you feel little things like that all 596 00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.800 through it. And that's a drag. By the way. Mary Lambert, 597 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.880 the director of this film, directed every great music video 598 00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:56.960 of the nineteen eighties. We should just point that out. 599 00:34:57.320 --> 00:34:59.119 Name your favorite. 600 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:08.320 Martley Crue who was smoking in the bas Yes, take it, Okay, 601 00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.039 it's got Michael berryman from the Hills, have eyes in 602 00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:11.519 the video. 603 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.079 Let's talk Zelda. That's where we

go. Let's talk, so 604 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.760 like here we go. Like when I rewatch this, I 605 00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.519 just thought, oh, we've got this history now in horror 606 00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:23.960 that when people mention it like, ah, it's a shit film, 607 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:27.280 but it's got Zelder, you know, remember it's got Zelda, 608 00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.360 and that gives me us nightmare fuel. And yet I 609 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.400 just thought, what rewatching it? Yeah, it's scary as a 610 00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:35.320 kid watching that sort of thing. It is going to 611 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:40.840 be nightmare fuel. But it's completely not needed in this 612 00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:45.639 this adaptation. I don't think it's if anything, it slows 613 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:46.039 it down. 614 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:48.679 It does because we don't get enough of Rachel as 615 00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:51.960 a character. If they had bothered to flash out the 616 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:56.320 relationship of Lewis and Rachel and Rachel and her parents 617 00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.960 and Rachel and the children, then a scene where we 618 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:04.719 explore Rachel's relationship with death would make total sense. And yes, 619 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:11.000 Zelda when you're a child is fucking horrifying because Mary 620 00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:14.159 Lambert very wisely does that one shot where she's very 621 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.400 very small in the back of the frame and then 622 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.280 the camera doesn't move and you're forced to fucking watch 623 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.719 as it creeps closer and closer. It's a beautiful shot. 624 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.159 It's awesome, and yet why is it in this film? 625 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.320 Just the fact that what we've just said is the 626 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.119 answers to why it's in the film because it is 627 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:33.119 not mare Field. If you're of a certain age and 628 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.239 you're seeing that, you're never going to forget it. I 629 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.400 get that, but I just rewatching it. It was like, man, 630 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.119 this is unnecessary. I want to get back into that story. 631 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:45.519 So maybe yeah, they'd given like her whole character, just 632 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:47.840 a bit more room, a bit more flash maybe a 633 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:50.199 backstory to when she was growing up with the parents. 634 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.960 You know, there's that quick bit with their sort of 635 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.719 not getting on and that I just want more of that, Like, 636 00:36:56.159 --> 00:37:00.159 let's feel for this family. You mentioned that it it 637 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:03.280 will be budgetary restraints that stop them doing all this 638 00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.199 wonderful stuff that the book can do. But we've seen 639 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.599 the future sequels and stuff or remakes or whatever that 640 00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:11.679 it's not part of it. 641 00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:13.719 It continues to not be part of it because they 642 00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:19.239 continue to not lean in that direction, which is unfortunate 643 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.920 because Rachel is an important character in the book, but 644 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:26.159 for the sake of brevity, it needn't be there. The 645 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:31.280 problem really is that Stephen King. I think I'm now 646 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:34.280 on record with you here, Paul about everyone knows how 647 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.599 much I love Stephen King. Okay, I'm getting everybody right. 648 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:38.360 Okay. 649 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:42.440 He's not a good screenwriter. He's just not. Most authors 650 00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.599 are not good screenwriters when it comes to their own material. 651 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.719 They tend to lean one way or another in parts 652 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.079 that they think is important now that might not have 653 00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:57.239 been important to them then, and vice versa. So you know, 654 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:02.079 Ray Bradbury add the adaptation for something Wicked this way 655 00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:05.960 comes and left out like a major fucking reason, like 656 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.000 a whole point of the fucking thing, like just left 657 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:13.480 it out. And I think King here wrote this screenplay, 658 00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:15.519 and I'm sure you know this, but maybe some of 659 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.679 your listeners don't. Like he wrote this screenplay immediately after 660 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:22.039 the book was published to get it made, with the 661 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.559 stipulation that it had to be shot in Maine because 662 00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:26.519 Stephen King's stand up guy and he wants to bring 663 00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:29.039 those millions of dollars to his home, which is fucking awesome. 664 00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:31.559 And the other stipulation was that he had to be 665 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:35.000 the screenwriter on it, right, and nobody wanted it, and 666 00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:38.039 it sat on the shelves for years, and then nineteen 667 00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:40.920 eighty eight there was a huge writers strike and every 668 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.400 studio freaked the fuck out because they realized they were 669 00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.079 gonna have huge holes in their schedule in the following year. 670 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.880 And they were like, are there any completed scripts? And 671 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.079 they were like, yeah, we got this pet cemetery, and 672 00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.320 so now that's why the movie got made. But because 673

00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.639 of that, there's no rewriting this movie. The writers Guild 674 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.079 was on strike. If you did that, you were a y. 675 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:03.000 It was never going to happen. But it needed it. 676 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:05.679 It needed somebody who was not named Stephen King to 677 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.079 come in and go, why are we introducing Zelda three 678 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:11.239 quarters of the way through the movie? Aren't we dealing 679 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.119 with the child being dead at this point? Just rearranging 680 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.440 scenes would have made more sense. 681 00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:20.519 I always wonder in those conditions, like with the recent 682 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.639 one as well, like if you're ad libbing, does that count? 683 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.039 Like if you're doing actors are not part of the 684 00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.519 Writers Guild, And I think if they're just saying stuff 685 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:32.280 on screen, then that's permissible. And there are you know, 686 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.840 you can get waivers from the WGA and stuff for 687 00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.000 you know, different productions and stuff. No one was going 688 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:38.840 to give this a waiver this part. 689 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:43.159 It makes a lot of sense you're saying that, And yeah, 690 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:45.800 I wasn't aware of that, but it does make a 691 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.960 ton of sense because there's certain scenes, especially early on 692 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.320 in the film when it is really talky, that could 693 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.599 have just done with even one rewhy you know, just 694 00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.960 just just one little going over chop that out. Let's 695 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.880 add this in here, like because as I've mentioned, they 696 00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.800 do show every now and again you get a glimpse 697 00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:11.480 of something, and I know, like the director's answer is always, well, 698 00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:13.679 we don't want to treat you like kids, you'll figure 699 00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:17.039 it out. But sometimes I want to be shown and 700 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.679 you know, I want you to talk me through this 701 00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.800 scene rather than to me. All right, So they got 702 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.400 to there because of that. But I hate that sort 703 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:29.519 of shit, especially in like an eighties horror For some reason, 704 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.119 Eighties for me is like my key shlock because I 705 00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.119 was there at the time. I want to have fun. 706 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.519 And then when I revisit the films like I have done. Now, fine, 707 00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:43.559 we'll get into the nitty gritty, but I just want

708 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:45.719 to have fun. And I feel like a lot of 709 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.039 the fun was zapped out of this one because the 710 00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:51.800 writing is so poor. But only in certain scenes and 711 00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:55.360 with certain characters, like you mentioned the kids. But when 712 00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.000 Gauge like says, I think it's to his dad, I 713 00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:02.679 love you, like yeah, heartbreaking, Like what a performance? How 714 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.360 old is that kid? Like you know, am I amazing? 715 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.880 And yet when the daughter's talking, I want to scratch 716 00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:10.519 my face. 717 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:13.440 She makes me want to kill myself quite frankly, and 718 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.639 and don't bring me back if she's going to be around, 719 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.320 do not put me in the burial ground. Another actress, 720 00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:23.239 there's a character invented for the film. See here's another thing. 721 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:30.000 I oh, Stephen King, Why okay? Neither adaptation of Pat 722 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:35.440 Cemetery has included the character of Norma crandall, that's John's wife. 723 00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:39.440 Here's the thing, Paul. In the book, Norma has a 724 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:43.360 heart attack. Lewis is a doctor. He acts quickly and 725 00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:45.920 saves her life, and then she goes to the hospital 726 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.280 for the rest of the novel. In thanks for saving 727 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:54.119 his wife and to save him the misery of his daughter. 728 00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:58.239 Of Lewis's daughter realizing that their cat is dead, he says, 729 00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:03.360 I have another idea. It's the fucking central spark. He 730 00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:06.440 leaves it out, leaves her out as a character, instead 731 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:10.920 invents a character named Misty the Maid who comes around 732 00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.840 by the way that actress love her. Fans of The 733 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:17.119 X Files, you know her in an episode written by 734 00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.360 Glenn Morgan and James Wong throwback call back to my episode. 735 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:24.239 She's great, but like, what is she doing there? Like 736 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:26.840 you said, Zelda feels out of place? What is this 737 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.400 woman who shows up and says, my stomach hurts a 738 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:31.559 bunch of times and then hangs herself so we can 739 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:33.840 go to her funeral? What this is not. 740 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.880 In the book? He created us for the movie. Yeah, 741 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:42.840 I didn't know that's necessary. You're right, and I'll give 742 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:43.159 some of. 743 00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.079 That screen time to Rachel and her family. 744 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.400 They are maxed out. I can't even afford to buy 745 00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:52.320 a fence, right, and they can afford this woman coming 746 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.719 and looking up at it. Come on, come on? 747 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.840 Nope, no, sir. 748 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:03.280 But you mentioned she's good in this, and I'm agreeing. 749 00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:08.239 Like again, like I love when people were taking the 750 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:12.639 job seriously in horror, especially in the eighties, because you 751 00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:17.360 get like clunky dialogue. Come it's sort of heartwarming rather 752 00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:21.840 than oh God, like that when someone's taking it so 753 00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.679 seriously in things. But when they're not because they think 754 00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.719 it's beneath them, you really don't like it. Yeah, we 755 00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:30.800 know that, Like we watch these things day in and 756 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:32.639 day out, and we can see it a mile off. 757 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:36.840 And it amazes me that, Like fair enough with the 758 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.920 writers strike, but then why not say do that? Can 759 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.280 you do that? Take again? Maybe maybe not with a 760 00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:43.920 little girl a right, fair enough, but with Lewis Creed 761 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:45.760 for sure. There was plenty of times a week go 762 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:48.840 I just run through that again. But then I'm thinking, well, 763 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.039 maybe they did run through it again. Maybe that was 764 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:54.920 the best one. Can you imagine those were the best takes. 765 00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.199 Can you imagine sitting through all of the footage of 766 00:43:57.199 --> 00:43:59.840 the worst takes of Dale Midkiff trying to emote when 767 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.760 child is dead? How many takes before he screamed no 768 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.760 in slow motion and we believed him. Do you imagine 769 00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:09.960 what Kubrick would have done to Dale midkifft He'll be filming. 770 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.559 Kubrick would still be alive. Just to get one good 771 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:14.360 performance out of Dale Midkiff. 772 00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:18.480 He'd be parties. Check this reeal out. It goes on 773 00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:20.880 for four hours, but it's the best. 774 00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:21.719 Yeh. 775 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:26.559 We've mentioned a lot of issues. But as well as 776 00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:31.760 we've got Gauge's death key scene, we've got Pascal and 777 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.800 the way he interacts very key to the film. But 778 00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:37.679 the bit that I loved last night so much was 779 00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.519 this ending. I'd love to talk

about it a bit 780 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:45.119 with you. I forgotten how hard it goes. And it's 781 00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.519 because we love Gauge. We love Gauge and we want 782 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.960 him to be okay when he comes back from the cemetery. 783 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:56.320 But there's something inside of him and that iconic picture 784 00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:00.000 where he's wearing the hat like you know, whenever I 785 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:03.840 so good, He's got the little scalpel. He's got the 786 00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:09.840 hat on and he's gonna do his parents sing. Man, 787 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:15.360 it gets me and the way he gets Judd, I, 788 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:18.320 how do you feel about this rewatching it now? Does 789 00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:19.320 it still get you? 790 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.280 First of all, there's something about that kid, Miko Hughes, 791 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.199 who is so fucking adorable that once you put some 792 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.719 pallor on him and make him just even grit his teeth, 793 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:32.320 it becomes one of the most twisted images ever, the 794 00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:36.719 most angelic somehow now the most profane, So that still works. 795 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:42.480 Fred Gwinn's terror is fantastic because he knows what's coming. 796 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:46.719 Whatever plot points and details like Stephen King left out, 797 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.159 Fred Gwinn is giving us without any dialogue at all. 798 00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:54.119 He knows exactly what this thing is and how terrified 799 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:57.639 he needs to be, and we feel for him because 800 00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.800 we love him so much. This is the perfect scene 801 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.280 in the movie. If any scene works, it's this one 802 00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:08.960 because there are actual stakes with our favorite human and 803 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:11.800 what used to be our favorite human who is now 804 00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:14.840 a fucking demon from hell, and it's a child and 805 00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:21.239 it cannot be sort of overstated that we all feel 806 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.000 it in our heel when the scalpel goes in. 807 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:28.519 I didn't know what an achilles tendon was until this film. 808 00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:34.599 Poor yeah, and the reaction as well, like the way 809 00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.559 Judd falls back and sort of like tries to stand 810 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:42.440 on it. It's just the worst. It's just the worst 811 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:46.599 I've had. I've been on a motorbike and been knocked 812 00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:49.360 off the motorbike and flown through the road and landed 813 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.559 on my side and all buckled up and everything. And 814 00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.800 yet I'm so thankful it was that and not gauge 815 00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:00.719 slice in my achilles tendon, like absolute right. And that's 816 00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:05.920 another thing, Like I mentioned earlier, this is a scene. Sorry, 817 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.159 a film full of scenes, a film full of moments, 818 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:13.760 but what moments right, what moments? Like can't fathom how 819 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:18.559 this film always gets slagged is too hard. But just 820 00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.320 like othered, it's not the one of the key ones. 821 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:23.800 Let's go with misery, let's get you know. 822 00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:26.760 Well those are more serious in town, right, So it's 823 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:29.039 acceptable on the horror level. 824 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:33.360 I think the way it escalates, it's so down all 825 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:36.320 the time, it always gets worse. You know what's coming, 826 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:40.199 yet you can't stop watching. It's perfectly executed, like it's 827 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.360 fantastic direction that like it's such a great ending to 828 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:47.119 a movie, and yet there's two bits, two bits that 829 00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:50.960 kill me every time. And I get this with films 830 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:55.079 since I've been a kid, where I'm like, oh what 831 00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:58.119 what that's wrong? Why did that happen? Let me talk 832 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:02.559 you for him. I'm gonna mention U. First of all, right, 833 00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:05.840 at the end when Gauge has come back and he's 834 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:10.360 been injected a heartbreaking scene, I think it's not fair 835 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:14.000 or something like that as walking away and then in 836 00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:20.559 the movie theater by the way, no fair. Yeah, oh 837 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.079 my god, it's a killer because you love this kid again. 838 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:25.760 He's just done all that the car'n it, No, I 839 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:26.440 love him again. 840 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:29.920 It was it was like a pressure release, like we're like, ah, 841 00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:32.079 we love your kid very well. 842 00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:36.320 And I see like he's walking backwards. He's like slowly 843 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:41.440 winding down before he passes, and then he falls into 844 00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:43.880 that and it's the actor and he falls into the 845 00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.679 back wall and it must have hurt him. And yet 846 00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:49.519 like they've kept that scene in. I think, wow, like 847 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.159 that that's a little kid, and like the way he 848 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.480 fell into collapsed into that wall. Amazing. I love that. 849 00:48:55.800 --> 00:49:01.920 I think I think without knowing, I think that's in reverse. 850 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:05.039 Not because I thought that, but how

I've sorry, this 851 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.360 is oh well, we've done this. How the hell do 852 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.800 you cause like the position that he ends up in, 853 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.280 he then has to stand up and I know it's 854 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.280 a flexible little kid, so perhaps as possible, but from 855 00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:23.079 that position again, if that's the case, incredible work. Completely 856 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:26.480 convinced and yeah, that was my only thought. How could 857 00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.679 they have been done? It can only be reversed? But 858 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:29.880 then watch it. 859 00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:34.239 It's tricky, okay, but maybe he began in another position 860 00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.039 and then was getting up into a position and until 861 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:39.639 he got to an awkward part and then they paused 862 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:42.079 it there they cut off the original thing. So we 863 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:44.239 start off with a couple of frames of him looking 864 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.199 like he's in the awkward position and then stands up normally, 865 00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:49.679 but he was already on his way to standing up normally. 866 00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.559 Somebody called Mary Lambert, Yes, we need to know. 867 00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:57.360 I bet you that. Horror fans are like, oh, Paul, no, no, 868 00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:59.960 this is how it was done. But there was another 869 00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.280 and this is really finicky, but I'm not having it. 870 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:08.199 So this has always bothered me since early watches the door, 871 00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:11.079 the back door where Gage comes into the house to 872 00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.760 get the scalpel. It doesn't fit in the frame properly. 873 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.760 If you look, there is this massive gap at the 874 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:20.119 bottom of the door where the door just doesn't fit 875 00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.599 in its frame. And I'm just thinking, well, that's going 876 00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:26.239 to be freezing in the winter. Like you would fix 877 00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:29.400 that door. So guess if they haven't bought a fence, 878 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.440 like they might not fix their door. But at the 879 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:36.280 same time, that's a huge gap. Rewatch that. That is 880 00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.440 ridiculous and it takes me out of the film every 881 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:43.199 time because I just think, Wow, that's gonna be cold. Okay. 882 00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:46.039 Was that door directly into the house or was it 883 00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:49.920 onto their porch? The porch Okay, then that makes sense. 884 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:51.719 Americans don't give a shit about the porch. 885 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:52.480 Fuck it. 886 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:55.039 During the winter,

we retreat to the house and there 887 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:57.679 we will remain. Here's the part that took me out 888 00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:01.480 of it, Paul, the same scene. I have just disinterred 889 00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:05.480 my child, carried it through a forest, buried him, a 890 00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.039 return to my house, and then he takes a nap 891 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:11.440 as he would. I mean, I'm sure that it was 892 00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.559 a tough climb and a tough thing, but I don't 893 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:17.239 know the prospect of my undead child returning. I'd want 894 00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:17.960 to be awake. 895 00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:21.920 For especially when what's happened with the cat Church. 896 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:27.360 Especially when Church is a fucking cocksucker as soon as 897 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:28.440 he comes back to life. 898 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:32.880 I hate cats anyway, but I think I'm up for 899 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:37.000 having a cat that gives less of a shit. Wow, 900 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:44.199 that's attitude. Yeah, all right, So these scenes, little things 901 00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:48.880 that piss us off the film somehow that ending, as 902 00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:50.880 I say, it just really works for me. And that's 903 00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:53.239 why I put it in number one. I asked you this, 904 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:55.679 and I'm sorry to do it. Regardless of what people 905 00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:57.960 think of it now, it's still a talking point. It's 906 00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:01.760 a Stephen King property. That ip is huge. And this 907 00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.400 film came out in the eighties. People love the eighties, 908 00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.159 especially with horror, and this is a key moment in 909 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:09.800 that regardless of whether you love it, how you've seen it. 910 00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:15.039 So then inevitably you've got sequels, You've got remakes. This 911 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:18.000 is going going on and it will continue to go on. 912 00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:20.159 I'm sure we'll get more pet cemeteries. How does it 913 00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:22.719 all stand up for you or does nothing compare or 914 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:26.480 was it so weak this film that yeah, it's fine 915 00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:26.960 to do it. 916 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:32.679 Here's here's the best thing about pet cemetery. Too. When 917 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:35.760 I first moved to Los Angeles, I made a beeline 918 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:39.440 for the Man's Chinese Theater, the very famous Man's Chinese Theater, 919 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.840 and I walked up and I said, one ticket to whatever, 920 00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.440 And that movie happened to be pet Cemetery too. I 921 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:48.119 didn't stay for the entire movie. I just needed to 922 00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:52.119 be inside Man's Chinese Theater. And once I realized that 923 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:54.599 that was more of a remake than a sequel and 924 00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:58.199 lesser than the first film, I figured there was more 925 00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.239 things to do in Los Angeles. So that's how I 926 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:01.960 kind of feel about that. I don't, by the way, 927 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:05.360 I'm not necessarily against sequels or remakes. I think everyone 928 00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:09.159 deserves a shot, everyone deserves an interpretation. Clearly, I think 929 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:12.679 this one needs to be reinterpreted because there's so much 930 00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.719 of the book that is meaningful and could be meaningful 931 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:18.760 that they just simply jettisoned. So I did not like 932 00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:22.159 the sequel. The twenty nineteen remake I was very very 933 00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.800 excited for because I like Jason Clark as an actor. 934 00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.239 I didn't know Amy Seinmitz, but I knew she would 935 00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:31.559 be fine. In fact, I knew we were going to 936 00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:34.519 be totally fine because John Lithgow had been cast as 937 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.880 Judd Crandall John Lithgow who, By the way, if they 938 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.719 had cast him as Lewis Creed in nineteen eighty nine, 939 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:45.119 I would be singing a different tune about that film. Wow, 940 00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:49.639 you figure now we can correct all of the flaws 941 00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.159 of the first adaptation, right, No, Let's make a whole 942 00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:56.679 bunch of new ones. Let's invent a fucking mythology where 943 00:53:56.719 --> 00:54:00.599 the kids all wear masks, and let's change it fundamentally. 944 00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:03.920 Here's what they did do. We're spoiling everything everybody in 945 00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:07.559 the remake. Here's the spoiler. Gage doesn't die. Ellie dies, 946 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:12.039 and then he brings her back and she like lives 947 00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.920 with him for a while and is his daughter seemingly 948 00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:19.719 and is asking questions about her own mortality. That one scene, 949 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:23.960 that part of that movie is fucking great. The idea 950 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.920 that it's like where was I and I it was 951 00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.000 cold and you know, like in her getting progressively worse. 952 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:33.920 That's really really scary. However, it suffers all of the 953 00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.719 same problems as the first film. I don't care about 954 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:38.880 any of these people. I care about them even less. Somehow, 955 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:42.000 how they didn't make John Lithkew, the most lovable fucking 956 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:45.199 curmudgeon of all time

is beyond me, but somehow they 957 00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.960 managed it even though he's doing a credible Maine accent. 958 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:50.920 Shout out to Fred Gwynn also doing a credible main accent, 959 00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.280 as well as the actress playing Misty who forgive me 960 00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.519 for not knowing your name? I love you so also 961 00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:59.119 great main accent. And they concoct a whole other ending 962 00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:03.880 for that movie where right where they which, by the way, 963 00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:07.239 I liked, I did, like if if you had. In fact, 964 00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:11.119 they made a prequel with jud and Norma in nineteen 965 00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:14.840 sixty nine and dealing with the Timmy Baderman subplot from 966 00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:18.960 the original film. That's fucking well, it's pet Cemetery blood 967 00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:19.840 lines or something. 968 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:20.440 Like that lines. 969 00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.599 Wow, ooh baby. I liked it more than the Pet 970 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:27.320 Cemetery remake actually because it was I did because it 971 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:29.400 was at least a flight of fancy, like if you 972 00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:33.480 had made the Pet Cemetery remake and not called it 973 00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:36.480 pet Cemetery the Tales of Pet Cemetery, and it's about 974 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:39.400 this father and daughter like, okay, I'm on board, but 975 00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:43.320 don't attempt to readapt that fucking book and then change 976 00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:45.840 everything just for the sake of change. It felt like 977 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:47.880 it was just for the sake of changing. And you 978 00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:49.119 know how I know I'm right. 979 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:56.480 Because when when it's the jud versus Ellie finale, they 980 00:55:56.559 --> 00:56:00.320 keep showing close ups of his his ankle, like it's 981 00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.239 playing on the first film. 982 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.199 It's not playing on the book. So get the fuck 983 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.880 out here. Don't that remakeers bad? That sequel is bad? 984 00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:12.280 I kind of like the Judd thing with Timmy Bator. 985 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:14.960 What can I tell you? I think I think they're 986 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:20.400 all fine, Like they're all fine. That's that's an issue. 987 00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:26.360 Like I think, as Stephen King showed, you can get incredible, 988 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:32.639 weighty conversations going, at least with regards to the basis 989 00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:37.840 of this this tale, this book is incredible. Why can't 990 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:41.519 it translate to sell E Lloyd? I don't know, man, 991 00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:45.360 I just don't know, because it, like a lot of 992 00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:50.119 Stephen King's works, when you read them, like the images 993 00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:55.280 in your mind just your mind gets blown, and inevitably 994 00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:58.719 you get disappointed when watching these things. Like there are 995 00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:02.719 a few that, like I actually prefer the film to 996 00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:05.719 the book, but not many, not many at all. 997 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:07.519 Are there Stephen King adaptations? 998 00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:13.000 You prefer Yeah, yeah, I prefer the shining to the book. 999 00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:20.239 The shining very much so cool. And Tommy Knockers as 1000 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:24.000 a book I thought was a little bit rough. People 1001 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:28.280 hate that mini series. I totally love that mini series. 1002 00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:28.440 Man. 1003 00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.159 I don't know what's wrong with me. Maybe it was 1004 00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:30.480 the top. 1005 00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:34.800 Oh, maybe it's because your read that book which was garbage, 1006 00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.679 which he doesn't remember writing because he was in a 1007 00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:41.119 cocaine field page you son of a bitch that broke 1008 00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:43.559 my teenage heart. Honestly, I found that out because I 1009 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:46.800 slogged through Tommy Knockers, man, and I got to the 1010 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:49.400 end that I was like, am I am I out 1011 00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:52.199 of it? Like do I not understand what's going on here? 1012 00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:54.920 And like years later, I'm like, you prick, you made 1013 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:56.679 me question my fucking sanity. 1014 00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:01.920 He must have remembered a bit, but the way he 1015 00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:04.559 just says, no, what I don't know? 1016 00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.280 Yeah, convenient right when it's the bad book, like I 1017 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.280 remember writing it. There was drugs, that was drugs, that's 1018 00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:13.000 terrible on drugs, the shying that was me Salem's like 1019 00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:14.440 me carry me. 1020 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:18.480 There was a fantastic interview around the time of Firestarter 1021 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:23.880 coming out, when it's still available on YouTube to watch 1022 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:27.519 when he's clearly drunk out of his mind trying to 1023 00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:33.960 answer questions, he tries to get deep and philosophical about things, 1024 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:38.559 and yeah, it's it's a hilarious watch. But so I 1025 00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:41.400 do give credence to you. I can't remember a few 1026 00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:44.440 of these things, but not the whole process of writing 1027 00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:47.639 a book. That's crazy. That's some serious drug time right there. 1028 00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:51.320 I

think misries on par with the book I'm with you. Yeah, 1029 00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:53.760 I've not thought about that, but yeah, definitely, And like 1030 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:55.559 that book is not ship. 1031 00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:59.119 Oh, that book is a fucking master work of his. 1032 00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.400 Like what's funny to me is it does seem when 1033 00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:06.079 he's clued into his own fears, that's when he does 1034 00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.719 his best material. Fear that he's going to murder his 1035 00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:11.079 entire family because he's a drunk gives us the shining 1036 00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:13.239 fear that his child is going to be killed and 1037 00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.519 he's going to have to suffer through. That is pet cemetery, 1038 00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:19.079 and you know, on and on. If Steve's really troubled, 1039 00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:20.280 we're going to be troubled. 1040 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:23.440 Good. I like get it. I can't let you go. 1041 00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:28.199 I need to plan a double bill, a double feature. 1042 00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:31.760 So we've got pet semetry as has to be included. 1043 00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:34.880 But this is going to be interesting where I mean 1044 00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:37.719 a million films to choose, But what else would you 1045 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:39.000 pair with pet symmetry? 1046 00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.880 Okay, I'm giving you one of two options. One is 1047 00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:48.519 Trilogy of Terror two. Excuse me, Trilogy of Terror Part two, 1048 00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:52.840 the Dan Curtis television television movie from the nineties with 1049 00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:58.760 Lazette Anthony the anthology one, yes, right, okay, I would 1050 00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:01.920 pair it with that for that. I believe the middle 1051 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.800 or the ending story Winch is a remake of a 1052 01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:09.000 Dan Curtis TV movie from the seventies which I cannot 1053 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:11.079 remember the name of that TV movie, but it's like 1054 01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:14.000 something Spooky Town I don't know, and it's the same 1055 01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:17.079 story adapted both where it's effectively the story we get 1056 01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:20.280 here in pet Cemetery, which is a woman's child I 1057 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:24.960 believe drowns and she resurrects him, and she doesn't like 1058 01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:27.400 what comes back, and it's a cat and mouse thing 1059 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:31.199 through this sort of massive house where the child is 1060 01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:33.480 chasing her and taunting or and like calling her from 1061 01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:36.400 other parts of the house. It's horrifying. It has it's 1062 01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:38.840 scarier than it has any right to be, so I 1063 01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:41.440 would say either that or if

you want to keep 1064 01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:45.360 it in Stephen kingland, I would recommend speaking of things 1065 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:47.639 that are way better than the fiction it's based on. 1066 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:52.320 Fourteen oh eight, the John Cusack Samuel Jackson film, which 1067 01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:55.360 is an adaptation of Stephen King's short story, which is slight. 1068 01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.039 I mean, he admits he wrote it as like a 1069 01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:01.519 writing exercise. It's still a great story, but the movie 1070 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:05.119 that's based on it is so much fucking better and 1071 01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:08.199 actually taps into the themes that are going on in 1072 01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:11.760 pet Cemetery because they've turned the lead character from that 1073 01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:15.280 book into a grieving father, which is one of the 1074 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.559 levers that this evil fucking room is using against him. 1075 01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:24.000 And it's just as effective, that two hour movie, to me, 1076 01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:26.840 as effective as the novel Pet Cemetery, as far as 1077 01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:30.400 that aspect of it. You know, another weird connection between 1078 01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:35.119 fourteen oh eight and pet Cemetery actually is Zelda, the 1079 01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:38.840 older sister of Rachel, is played by a man because 1080 01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:41.320 Mary Lambert thought that would be weird and off putting 1081 01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:43.400 for the viewer. And in fourteen oh eight there's a 1082 01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:47.239 hammer killer, which is a male character that they cast 1083 01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:50.400 a woman because they wanted to throw people off and 1084 01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:53.519 make it, you know, just sort of off kilter, weird. Right. 1085 01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:54.920 I didn't even think of that till now. 1086 01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:56.440 Robbish, you knew that all along. 1087 01:01:56.519 --> 01:02:01.119 It's oh, yeah, you know, the Stephen King bank in 1088 01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:02.480 my head is full. 1089 01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:05.639 I want you to recommend a book like one that 1090 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.679 really sort of got you and made you feel things 1091 01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:12.719 that you didn't know you wanted to feel. Stephen King 1092 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.559 book like where would you go if pet Cemeteries are 1093 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:16.400 off the table? 1094 01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:22.320 Salem's lone Automatically there's something. It's not necessarily a revolutionary book. 1095 01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.280 What he's doing with that book is building off of 1096 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:31.000 the foundation that Richard Matheson laid with I am Legend, 1097 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:34.719 which was it seemed to me the first time someone 1098 01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:39.159 was taking American horror and dragging it out of Europe 1099 01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:43.840 in onto our streets and in our neighborhoods. So to 1100 01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:49.440 have the Dracula story devoid of castles and villagers and torches, 1101 01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:52.800 and it's just a town up in Maine that I've 1102 01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:57.199 driven through, probably that to me is very very effective. 1103 01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:00.960 Plus it is effectively a remake of Dracula through young 1104 01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:05.800 Stephen King's eyes. It's I think his fleetest work. It's 1105 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.679 you could probably read it in one sitting at the 1106 01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:11.599 same time, as complex as anything he would eventually do 1107 01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:15.719 in twelve and fifteen hundred page fucking master works. Air 1108 01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:18.599 quotes everybody, and I love all the characters in that 1109 01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:22.719 and his version of evil to me is always exciting. 1110 01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:25.800 I love particularly in that book. I love that small 1111 01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:29.679 town America, which is prim and proper and ain't everything great, 1112 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:33.760 is really just beckoning the worst kind of evil to 1113 01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:34.920 come and decimate it. 1114 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:38.719 I have never read the book, and I only watched 1115 01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:41.719 the film maybe ten years ago because I was always 1116 01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:47.280 scared the Dracula looking guy. Yeah, always why the picture 1117 01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:51.280 that was in Fangoria. Fuck that absolutely terrified me, not 1118 01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:52.199 going anywhere near it. 1119 01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:57.320 Mister Barlow, Yes, you're going to like mister Barlow. And 1120 01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:59.519 rest assured, mister Barlow is going to like. 1121 01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.880 You five them alone. I don't know if you know this, 1122 01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:06.239 but like I've got to say this at the end 1123 01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:09.000 of Eper every every episode we do, because I want 1124 01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:10.840 to make sure another one happens. So please will you 1125 01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:11.320 come back? 1126 01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:14.039 Of course? My God, sign me up. What do you 1127 01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:15.599 want to do? Let's talk what year? 1128 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:41.559 The opening theme seems reminiscent of like the Amateurville soundtrack 1129 01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:44.920 with all that kid's choir type singing. It was composed 1130 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:48.880 by Elliott Goldenthal. He did Alien three and he did 1131 01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:51.960 Interview with the Vampire, And I wish it didn't borrow 1132 01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:56.079 so liberally from other sources. Yet there's something about those 1133 01:04:56.119 --> 01:04:59.679 sharp eighties symphs that just cut as deep as gaugeous 1134 01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:03.599 scout Win. Those emotional beats just ramp up, you know 1135 01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:08.159 that bit where we follow Rachel on our journey home. Also, 1136 01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:11.159 it goes without saying the Ramones wrote that theme song 1137 01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:14.800 pet Semetry, which can I just say I really hated 1138 01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:17.519 it at the time, just thought the pet Cemetry song 1139 01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:21.159 was weak, very weak. But even though I know that 1140 01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:24.119 it's latter day pomp for them, I didn't really get 1141 01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:26.679 into the swing of the Ramones until the late nineties, 1142 01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:29.159 so it took like a decade for me to get 1143 01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:32.559 with this song. Oddly, it became a Ramone set staple 1144 01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:34.679 and performed quite well for them on rock radio in 1145 01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:37.199 the States. Bit here it didn't make a scratch on 1146 01:05:37.239 --> 01:05:39.920 the charts at all. So where can you watch this one? Well? 1147 01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.639 In America? If you're subscribe to Fubo Paramount Plus or 1148 01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:48.320 MGM Plus, you're in luck. As for the UK, where 1149 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:51.519 are we at? Oh? In the UK, it's currently on Sky, Netflix, 1150 01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:55.719 Now Cinema. And as for podcasts, I very much enjoyed 1151 01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:59.719 listening to this thing called Horror Movie Maniacs back in 1152 01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:01.519 the day. I did. Anyway, I say back in the day. 1153 01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:04.199 It's only a couple of years ago. They did it 1154 01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:07.920 in January twenty twenty three, and I really really enjoyed that. 1155 01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:10.039 So I want to mention it here and that's it. 1156 01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:13.599 That's my number one pick for nineteen eighty nine is 1157 01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:20.440 pet Cemetery, A