Full Transcript for Messy Lunch Episode 5 - Baxter Dury At Otto's French Restaurant, Farringdon

know, the the number plate and all that stuff. 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:24.400 And um Jeremy! Jeremy, why is Jeremy such a knock? 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:26.960 Anyway, it kind of apologised. 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.319 I think and I deserved her, there's one wanna say that I deserved her. 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:31.199 To lose your life. 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:32.159 Deluxe your life. 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:37.360 This is basically the equivalent to when somebody's mean to me on social media and I think that they haven't had a shag for ages. 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:38.639 Oh boy! 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:41.280 Back, so we have taken you to Otto's. 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:43.840 We've we've been talking a lot about our favourite restaurants in London. 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:46.479 I'm gonna say officially Otto's is my favourite restaurant in London. 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:47.360 Where is Otto? 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:48.639 Here we go, here we go. 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:59.280 Hi So you're gonna have a launch of breast pigeon, but not the same as any pigeon square. 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:09.280 These ones are these ones are especially pressed, a lot of blood content, and for their uh taste, it's like a sort of buttery mild taste. 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:10.000 I show you one. 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:12.080 Yeah, let's have a look at this pigeon. 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:13.599 These are lots of pigeons. 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:14.479 Can I pick them up? 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:16.719 Is that really no, that's probably inappropriate. 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:18.719 Okay, it's very slightly grab him. 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:20.319 I'll grab him, I'll grab him, don't worry. 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:21.520 I'll grab them like this. 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:22.400 Here's our little pigeon. 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:23.439 Does this freak you out? 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.039 I've got a hundred years. 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:26.879 Also is famous. 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:27.039 Yeah. 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.000 Really famous for the canard press, which is the duck press. 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:30.240 Yeah. 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:33.599 But because of the season, we're gonna go for pigeon, which is a very similar thing. 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:33.919 Yeah. 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:39.759 So we're getting we've got a tasting menu which includes um ravioli of escargot. 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:45.919 So that's by the way, the the one of the coolest ingredients at the moment is uh escargot. 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:50.719 All the supermodels are eating it, so um we should keep us thin, young, and beautiful. 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:51.280 Absolutely. 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:51.919 Yes. 00:03:52.240 --> 00:04:01.360 Um then we've got I've never eaten the sweetbreads and uh the infused liver of the pigeon, one brioche with morels, which are an amazing mushroom. 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:01.680 Yeah. 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:11.680 Then we've got the pigeon, which will be the breast, where Otto

will be cutting it off, I imagine, and then he presses the blood out of the sauce to make this incredible sauce. 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:12.080 Wow. 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:17.040 Um, then pom sifle, I'm not even gonna tell you what they are because they are a secret weapon. 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:18.879 They're a potato you didn't even know existed. 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:20.480 Where's the uh those these guys? 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:21.680 Yeah, the pom sifle. 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:22.399 Right, okay. 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:29.759 And then they turn the legs into another dish, which is an actual pie with foie gras and sauce perinod, which it perigod, which is truffles. 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:31.759 So we're eating every single part of what we got. 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:33.279 So we're gonna try and eat every single part of the game. 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:35.519 Yeah, how do you out? 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:37.439 No, uh, absolutely not out. 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:38.079 A little bit? 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:38.800 Look at me, look at me. 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:43.920 So it goes through like a mangle like a basically. 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:53.680 So the bones it the bones they get squashed out and and Otto and also Otto does also, is it called uh cooking on Geridon? 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:54.319 Yeah. 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:56.959 Yeah, so what that means is it's Gyridon, yeah, yeah. 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:58.720 So it's cooking by the side of the table. 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:03.600 So a lot of the stuff Otto will do, either here, but because of the cameras, maybe over there. 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:03.839 Yeah. 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:07.759 And we can go up and see it, and there'll be flames, it's gonna be like the most theatre. 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:08.800 Insane. 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:10.399 You can cut a picture. 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:11.199 I can cut a picture. 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:12.480 Yes, definitely. 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:14.720 I've got a much gonna be a messy guy. 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:17.199 Me and Otto have known each other for over 12 years, I think. 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:18.000 Now I tried to go. 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:18.720 14. 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:19.360 14! 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:23.519 So you may have 15 with Sunday Times. 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:24.720 Yes, oh my god. 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:26.800 So, yeah, I I wrote about Otto in the Sunday Times. 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:27.600 We had the duck. 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:36.480 We had the duck, but one of the funniest stories that's ever happened to me was coming here and getting it's it is, it's sort of like being Henry VIII. 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:38.879 You get sport rotten, you have every rich food. 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:51.600 By the end of it, but my friends were so drunk that they ended up getting the blood, sticking their tits in it, and then signing the signature book uh next to uh do you know where Escoffier is? 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:53.439 He's like the king of cuisine. 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:55.279 Oh, right, oh wait, that's what I've got. 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:59.040 This is my friend Iona's tits. 00:05:59.360 --> 00:05:59.839 What the? 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:02.079 And is that the name of it? 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:03.680 I should probably hide the names actually. 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:04.160 Oh, I think. 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:07.759 This is a message from Escoffier's grandson. 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:08.240 Right. 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.360 So Escoffier is like the king of French cuisine. 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:12.000 Okay. 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:14.160 And this is my friend, my other friend's tits. 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:15.279 And this was all on the same ego. 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:16.000 Wow, yeah. 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:17.040 Same day, whatever. 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:18.959 You were writing a review with a load of people. 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:20.720 Well, no, I would say having a lot of. 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:22.240 Did you not want to get started? 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:23.920 Well, I think I think I might have gone. 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:24.639 I can't remember what happened. 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.519 Anyway, pages have been ripped out somewhere. 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:28.319 Yeah, damn it. 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:33.519 I wasn't involved in that part of the It's nice to know that blood after 15 years still looks quite spoken. 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:36.560 Yeah, I've got a hash can be a messy batch. 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:38.800 This is the wine list. 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:39.600 Do you like? 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:41.120 I mean, we've obviously had a glass of champagne. 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:42.959 Do you have a cocktail before you start drinking? 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:43.439 Not really. 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:46.000 You know what I mean? 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.160 I know, but you're always really well behaved, I think. 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:54.959 Well, I'm sort of, but you know, I come from quite a crazy background, so then I sort of try and keep things quite tidy, you know what I mean? 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:59.040 I think you you do, you reverse certain chaos that you've seen. 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:01.600 So, I mean Do you like a martini? 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:03.040 Do you I like a martini. 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:04.319 I like a martily Negroni. 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:05.360 Do you love a Negroni? 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:05.759 Yeah. 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:06.800 Let's have a cocktail. 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:07.680 I think we should have a cocktail. 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.360 I think here the surroundings suggest that we should have a cocktail. 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:15.360 The Gibson martinis are amazing. 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:21.519 Do you not like North London? 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:23.360 No, I do like I actually like Tottenham. 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:24.000 Or is it just a lot of people? 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:26.480 Tottenham's great.

00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.759 Yeah, I mean, North London, I mean I'd like to live there, but I sort of hate it. 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:31.439 Is this what I think about West London? 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.240 Yeah, yeah, I hate living in West London, but I like where I live. 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:36.959 Well, I went to West London last night, I went to the David Byrne showing. 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:37.680 Did you go there? 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:38.560 I live next door to that. 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:39.360 I mean, and when I'm there. 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.800 It's great when I'm there, and I'm like, we had a very romantic time last time we were there. 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:45.600 For your show. 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:46.639 Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:49.680 We went to uh River Cafe and then came to see you afterwards. 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:50.879 That was a good night. 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:51.759 It was a good night. 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:53.199 Oh, the cocktail I had there. 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:56.639 Let's see. 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:02.480 So we're gonna be eating, obviously, we're gonna be eating a very pink bit of um uh of pigeon. 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:03.839 Without does that scare you? 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:04.800 No, no, not at all. 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:05.680 Nothing really freaks me out. 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:07.279 But you know the salmonella precious like that. 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:13.199 The salmonella thing came because of Edwina curry, and she she brought it a salmonella. 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:15.680 That's a shot, that's how I was like, she's getting rid of it. 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.160 John Major and she invented salmonella. 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:22.879 Cheers. 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:23.839 Cheers, thank you. 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:24.720 Thank you. 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:26.160 Isn't it a delicious drink? 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:26.959 That's very good. 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:27.839 French food. 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:29.680 Now you have spent a lot of time in France. 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:35.279 Are you a lover of French food or I am, I am, I am, and I will say that officially. 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.120 I am can be can be complicated. 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:39.440 Yeah. 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:41.440 He may be after today. 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:43.679 Thanks, I'll tell you. 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:46.240 That was a slightly mafia-type. 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:49.120 Maybe after that you won't see it. 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:51.279 Baxter going through the duck press. 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.159 I don't mean to pause when I say, yeah, I love it. 00:08:54.320 --> 00:09:10.080 And you know, especially if, like, for instance, sometimes the way we experience France a lot is you're touring and you're maybe going through the spine of England, and that, you know, it might be not the the food, the inherent food culture in Britain can be a bit trying. 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:11.759 You know, you're out of London and all that. 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:14.080 If you're playing a gig, they're not gonna cook for you. 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:14.639 You know what I mean? 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:16.000 They're not gonna cook for you at a venue. 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:24.159 As soon as you get to France, they have a chef, they have a petissera, someone's presenting something, or there's an option you're sent in the morning, but when you arrive. 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:25.759 Oh, so you're like, oh, I'll have to make it a bit of a couple of things. 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:29.279 And then I'll have a and I played in in some, I'm spitting everywhere excited. 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:30.240 That'd be silly. 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:36.720 You know, I played in in places where the mayor's wife or the mayor himself has made me a goat curry. 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:38.960 And you're thinking that's never going to make it. 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:43.279 Nottingham's not gonna make you a curry. 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:47.200 So they go, yeah, you know, there's a lot of voila in those holes, isn't it? 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:50.559 And there's a lot of, I mean you'll taste something very flaky and delicate. 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:56.559 And you're like And sometimes you're not in the, you know, it's very a slow appreciation of very delicate things. 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:59.360 You're not in that mode, you're not in that frame of mind. 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.639 Well, because you've been driving all day and then you've been chucked into a room somewhere. 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:13.279 Can someone presents something, but actually as you as you as you're there for a few days, you begin to slow down and start to appreciate. 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:19.200 And you know what's amazing is when you eat at a venue, you often eat with everybody that works there, so the security car will be there. 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:23.840 Okay, the person that does the tickets, yeah, and there and you're like, oh wow, and everyone's having the same. 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:25.440 It is a family meal, right? 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:29.919 Food socialism, you know, everyone eats the same ham and the same and all that sort of thing. 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:30.080 Yeah. 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:31.679 So all those gubbins I love. 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:33.600 So you said family meal, that's what you get in a restaurant. 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:34.399 It is a family meal. 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.360 It's such a critical, that's actually a really nice people. 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:45.679 Keep asking me what the parallels are between music and food, and that is such a and it's yeah, you're all working in a restaurant and then like just before service starts, everyone will eat together and stuff. 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:47.440 And you get it across Europe a lot, I think. 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:49.519 So it's not just the French thing, it's just the notes. 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:51.279 In

French, they're proud about it. 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:52.720 They're very proud about it. 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:59.919 But when you get an old, you know, we're about to, I'm not gonna question French food because the French is you know the ultimate food engineering. 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:03.279 Do you have a specific favourite though in the in the French food world? 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:06.559 When you are in France, you're like, I bloody need to get me some casolet. 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:10.879 There's a tiny little restaurant in South Bagal and it's got a picture of me on the wall. 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:14.080 That's perfect! And I love narcissism is the best. 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:15.759 It's not a narcissistic option. 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:24.559 And the guy comes out and he literally goes, ah, he goes, and I go, ah, it's me, and he goes, he goes, Amberger. 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:27.039 Is that racist? 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:30.960 He goes, Amberger, and I go, please, yeah. 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:32.399 Like that. 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:35.440 But he makes this amber, amber, amberger. 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:38.080 And it's fucking amazing. 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:39.759 Do you get to sit under the picture of you? 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:41.200 And then when people walk in, you're like. 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:44.240 I'm much younger in the picture, so no one ever knows. 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:46.399 Sorry, mate, I haven't. 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:48.480 There'd be no Jeremy Vine business here. 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:50.320 Like totally contented. 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:51.279 It's fine. 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:52.399 Have you lived there? 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:54.320 I have on and off and lived there. 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:55.840 You'd call it living there, yeah. 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:56.480 Yeah, I have. 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:58.000 You've spent serious time in it. 00:11:58.240 --> 00:11:59.120 I've done some time. 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:03.279 I don't speak any French or who's that? 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:04.000 Otto. 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:05.679 Otto. 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:08.159 What are these called again? 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:09.039 Um, Gibson's. 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:10.000 Gibson Martini. 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:11.440 I'm quite Gibsoned up, okay. 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:13.679 I've now hallucinated. 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:17.279 I've got a spine like a banana. 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:21.200 It's gonna be like Jesus Christ. 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:22.399 We had uh rave. 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:23.440 You've only had like one. 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:31.440 We don't need to be running. 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:32.240 Thank you very much. 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:33.600 What are we running with here? 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:45.279 Well is that so on this plate we have Esco do ravioli, we have uh porn, a very reduced chicken view, and then we have some Ossier fra caviar on top. 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:46.000 Is this really unfortunate?

00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:46.960 Just in case you need it. 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:49.279 Yeah, and we've had to in some places. 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:51.759 You look sweet! Oh no, yeah, no, I won't. 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:53.120 I'm really tough. 00:12:57.279 --> 00:12:58.320 Messy lunch! 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:03.120 The one thing Otto doesn't scrimp on is all these like luxury ingredients. 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:10.000 It's uh, you know, this is you know, we're having uh I can never say it, it's Ossie Etra caviar, which is like the one of the best. 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:15.279 Okay, and inside we've got lobster, and there's like chicken juice that's reduced. 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.440 It's like really amazing quality. 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:17.759 Yeah. 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:19.600 And we're just this is just our starter. 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:21.519 So this is this is the same caviar. 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:23.039 Yeah, yeah, this is just your leftovers. 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:23.840 This is like. 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:31.039 And then what's really nice about Otto is the very trendy thing at the moment in dining is doing bumps of caveat. 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:32.399 I fucking hate it. 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.759 It's like you literally get your caviar and you do it on your on here. 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:37.840 Sort of narco terms. 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:39.120 Indeed, yes, yeah, yeah. 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:40.240 I think that's the whole thing. 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:42.000 A bump of caveat. 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:44.720 If I go to a caveat and range drugs at the same time. 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:48.559 Can I ask you something about caveat? 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:49.519 Yeah, I need to be educated. 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:51.600 Is caviar all from like a St. 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:52.399 Petersburg? 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:54.559 You know, does it come from a pond in St. 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:55.679 Petersbury a phone? 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:59.360 Not all of it, no, because we we make I mean this one, I don't know. 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:01.600 This this uh might be Persian actually. 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:02.639 Let me see. 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:03.519 So the sturgeon. 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:04.639 Um I'm gonna look on the bottom. 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:06.080 Is there a yeah, I'm looking, I'm looking. 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:07.679 Um it comes from a sturgeon. 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:09.360 This so is there a sturgeon? 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:10.159 Sorry, my eye. 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:14.480 Where do you go first? 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:14.879 Oh, you can't. 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:16.399 Oh my god, I don't know if it's for an office. 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:20.240 Oh, this is gonna go! So there's snails in this round. 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:23.600 Oh, spoon, spoon, oh wow, they're like full of things. 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:24.159 This one and this one. 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:25.360 They're not shut up. 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:26.960

She's we're using them for it. 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:28.879 Oh, that and that. 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:30.399 I'm not classy. 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.159 How regularly do you go out for dinner? 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:38.879 Are you a going out to dinner person or is it like a dinner? 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.200 No, I am actually a going out to dinner person. 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:42.559 Um, what are we talking? 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:43.840 Twice a week, three times a week? 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:45.679 Once or twice, maybe, yeah. 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.639 And I kind of get into it, I've got into it more recently, I think. 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:53.120 And there, you know, there are some really good apps these days that tell you about good. 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.080 There's a, I can't remember what it's called, like infatuation, one of those things. 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:56.399 You know what? 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:58.000 Sounds like a sex app. 00:14:59.919 --> 00:15:03.440 No, I'm not uh as as I work for Time Out, I would say that the Time Out app. 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.440 And the Time Out app is what I meant to say. 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:07.279 All that sort of stuff. 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:09.840 So you can find good things that aren't obvious and all that. 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:15.759 So we it's not always posh, you always, you know, it's like loads of amazing things in like in. 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:18.639 I went to a Malaysian restaurant the other day. 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:19.919 Was it Norma's? 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:22.000 Not Norma's, but it's round the corner from Norma's. 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:24.399 I have to look at my phone to tell you where it was. 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:25.039 What is this? 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:26.559 Norma's on Green. 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:27.519 What was it called, Cos? 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:28.000 What? 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:28.480 Malaysian? 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:28.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:30.879 Norma's is the number one restaurant. 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:31.519 Yeah, yeah. 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.519 It's in like a kind of not a shopping centre, but like in a kind of in the old Chinatown. 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:36.559 Yeah. 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:37.120 Oh, that's good. 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:39.440 You have to go there in the beginning of the month to try and get a table. 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:40.720 And then they renew it. 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.279 And it's like a bit like how Singburi used to be. 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:45.679 That's a number one place to eat at the moment. 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:47.519 It's mostly actually. 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:50.960 This place is round the corner, but similar. 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:51.600 What's it called? 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:52.240 Yeah, I can't. 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:52.960 Okay, well, we'll yeah. 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:53.600 We'll do it later. 00:15:53.759 --> 00:16:01.200 Well, we'll do it later, but

yeah, that's good to know because well, that's really near a restaurant that I've only recently discovered but has been there for many years, the Tirola Hut. 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:02.480 Oh, I know the Tirola Hut. 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:03.440 It was the Austrian place. 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:03.600 Yeah. 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.240 I've been there for years and you I went there when I was at school. 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:07.919 Well, you know the guy still runs it, he's in it. 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:08.559 Same gun. 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:11.919 They all start doing they do birthdays and they jump about a lot. 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.120 And they'll pass the mic around the crowd and be like, Do you want to do ABA? 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:16.159 I'm like, no, no. 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:17.919 And then I'll be like, yeah, I want to do ABBA. 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:23.919 Your son Coz um is uh he's been training as a chef. 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:25.600 He's done a bit of that stuff, yeah. 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:34.639 And he wants to do more, and he um and he's just very into food, so he's quite kind of he's got a good young person's view on how what restaurants are good and. 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:47.840 I was gonna say, does he uh does he introduce you to like what is before I go goo, you know, there's a thing at tour managers though, there's a thing you can where on a on a Google Maps you can put the filters on, but I think that's open to to corruption. 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:48.480 You know what I mean? 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.480 You go like best restaurant highly rated in the era, open now. 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:57.279 Or something like that, the filters and like you're in Hamburg, you go, best restaurant, didn't you? 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:02.559 And you go, this must be the best restaurant, and half the time it's not, and I don't know what, yeah, they've done something to make it. 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:11.839 Also, on Google Maps, like the best restaurants are always the ones that are like two stars because people have voted for them and they've gone, oh, I didn't like it because like this the chef kept on like talking to his mates a bit. 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.119 Like, I want to go to that place where maybe someone is ignoring me a bit. 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:18.480 Yeah, or like that hygiene rating. 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:19.759 I don't really care about hygiene rating. 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:21.759 I don't care, I mean, I don't, I know how it is. 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.240 I mean, alternative things like time out and other things that are really so much. 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:26.799 Thank you very much. 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:27.599 Yeah, good shell. 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:34.640 We live next door to the to the river cafe, so we'd be when you do, you don't go there a lot, you know what I mean? 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:34.880 But we're not gonna be. 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:36.240 But it's a nice celebratory place. 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:37.119 It's good. 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:37.839 I mean, you know, cost. 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:40.319 As we were saying earlier, I went there once with you, you took me there. 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:43.039 It was a special trip before we went to go and see you too. 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:44.799 I love it. 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.599 So I when I first started going there, I didn't get it. 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:47.920 Yeah. 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.200 But as I've got older, I've started to get it, and I just get the simplicity. 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.759 And I love do you know what's nothing better in this life than being on that balcony when it's hot. 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:57.279 You explained it to me very well. 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:58.799 Like, that like it is St. 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:00.079 John but Italian. 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.599 It's where it's just like really good ingredients prepared quite simply. 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:05.039 It's white plates, it's not. 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:10.799 I don't know if it's just controversial, but you get some quite arms deal dealery looking people, do you know what I mean? 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:12.319 A bit like that. 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:18.160 To me, it felt very like Afab, like 90s, like the whole look of it, that blue and that pink. 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:19.759 It felt like I was in an episode of that. 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:21.839 So I think I'd be a bit upset by that. 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.079 I don't know how evil some of the people are. 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:25.359 This is not evil, though. 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:25.759 This is long. 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:27.200 No, this is this is not even. 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:29.920 I'm just sorry, I just pen feeling. 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:30.559 Yeah, thanks. 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:32.079 This isn't even my one, this is yours one. 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:33.920 I I'm gonna make here we go back. 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:35.119 So you just have the last bit. 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:36.160 You're doing the bump. 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:41.119 Oh my god, Otto! 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:44.079 Oh my god, so you don't know what's about to happen. 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:46.079 That's gonna be less romantic than the other. 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:47.920 This looks romantic. 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:48.880 This is romantic. 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:49.680 Okay. 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:51.119 Okay, so this is the duck press. 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:52.240 You don't know what's about to happen. 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:55.119 Oh, to a bangster. 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:56.559 What is that, Otto? 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:57.440 Is that the pigeon? 00:18:57.839 --> 00:18:58.880 Is that the inside of a pigeon? 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:00.240 What to the head? 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:00.880 That's gone. 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:03.759 Make it up by bangstone. 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:04.319 I think you're up. 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:06.079 You're up,

come on back. 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:09.039 Is that um it's quite sterile? 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:10.079 Do you want me to twist this? 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:11.200 Montack, one second. 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:12.160 Okay, sorry, mate. 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:12.480 Okay. 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:15.359 This is um bangster. 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:17.039 What's the significance of the thing? 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:19.599 Is this um is this acceptable? 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:21.680 Okay. 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.440 Don't don't get clockwise. 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:24.160 Just sorry. 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:25.039 Don't eat clockwise. 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:25.920 Oh, clockwise. 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:28.160 My your clockwise is different from yours. 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:29.119 My clockwise. 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:29.839 Oh no, you're right. 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:30.480 That's my clockwise. 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:33.920 It's not clockwork. 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:35.200 Sorry. 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:38.880 I've I've got the giggles, I think. 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:40.640 That's okay, don't worry, don't worry. 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:42.720 Why do I wear a helmet on my top? 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:44.640 It's biking, biking spirits. 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:45.200 Oh, okay. 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:45.839 And there's that guy. 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:48.160 What does that link to though? 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:54.240 Well, basically, uh the English rugby team, they were drinking champagne out of there when they won the World Cup in 2003. 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:55.279 They were there after. 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:55.759 So that's why. 00:19:56.319 --> 00:19:56.640 That's why. 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:57.839 Okay, fair enough, that makes sense. 00:19:58.000 --> 00:19:58.319 That's why. 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:01.519 This is very weird, this whole quite Masonic in a way, isn't it? 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:03.279 Do you like the Masons? 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:04.720 I'm one of them. 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:09.200 Okay, that's it. 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:10.240 Hang on, hang on. 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:11.359 What do you got? 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:15.200 Sorry, sorry, Otto. 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:16.480 Sorry, Otto, yeah. 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:17.759 It's got a sword. 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:19.759 Now you're not autos. 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:21.039 Oh, thank you, Otto. 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:21.920 Give us a cuddle. 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:26.720 How do we join the mates? 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:30.559 Me, a helmet? 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:31.519 A helmet? 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:32.079 Me? 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:33.039 I'm a helmet? 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:34.960 In terms of the weight of it, did it? 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:39.599 It it felt um it felt You have to live another one in the sauce. 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:40.160 Mm-hmm. 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:43.839 Some class feet pet, my mushroom sauce and truffle sauce. 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:44.240 Yep. 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.200 I I don't want to brag that my morel is bigger than everyone else. 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:49.440 Did you understand any of that? 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:51.279 I thought I heard a little fragments of it. 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:54.480 Okay, so it is um I'm gonna put point to Leonie's. 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:58.160 You've got the mushroom, which is the morel, which is brand new in season. 00:20:58.400 --> 00:20:59.759 The um veal sweetbreads. 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:02.079 Oh well, the your morel's on toast. 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:03.359 You've got shower. 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:04.880 Where are your morels, Michael? 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:05.759 Where are they? 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:15.839 Um then we've got um we've got liver on toast, basically, with a load of rich, delicious sauces. 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:16.799 So what was this? 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:21.119 This was the um that was a that was the liver of the toast. 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:22.240 Liver on toast, yeah. 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:22.640 Really? 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:23.440 That's so amazing. 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:26.400 I mean, I hate liver, and that's delicious. 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:27.200 It's delicious. 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:29.119 Well, it's basically caramel. 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:29.839 Right. 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:31.440 Mmm, sugary liver. 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:37.039 I guess a tasting menu um lends itself better for this sort of conversational eating experience, isn't it? 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:42.240 Yeah, but it's little bits and you're not like engaging in it in it. 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:42.880 Well. 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:44.079 And we look cold. 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:46.720 Otherwise, we'd be really awkward, isn't it, here with nothing to say. 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:48.400 Let me ask another question then. 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.319 What is the restaurant that made you fall in love with restaurants? 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:59.119 Is there a place that really changed your not changed your mind about restaurants, but made you think, oh yeah, I want to spend time here. 00:21:59.200 --> 00:21:59.440 This is 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:02.240 That makes you fall in love with the restaurant drama. 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:06.079 I like to bring the drama. 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:12.960 Like I was in Stockholm and I don't know if it was a well-known restaurant and I can't remember what it's called, unfortunately. 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:14.960 But it was fantastic, you know what I mean? 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:23.200 Or we're in bar we've done a six-week tour and you're suddenly in Barcelona and it's so sort of hyper hipster. 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:25.599 Yeah, if someone drags you into a tablet. 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:30.160 Oh fuck. 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:31.759 As soon as the druid egg put out. 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:36.640 I had a an unfertilised druid egg, and it was it was so fucking fantastic. 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:38.000 Always unfertilised. 00:22:38.559

--> 00:22:47.440 But it was a bit to the background, so you've just been travelling and there's sun and there's Barcelona and there's a nice person with hair. 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:51.039 That's that's the key factor. 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:51.920 I don't know what that is. 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:52.400 Good hair. 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:54.720 Um yeah. 00:22:55.200 --> 00:23:01.039 Do you remember the first kind of like fancy restaurant you were ever taken to, like as a kid or as a teenager? 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:03.279 Was there a moment where you're like, oh, this is posh? 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:07.599 Kind of yeah, probably with dad every now and then you'd go to somewhere. 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:09.119 I mean, it wasn't very consistent. 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:13.039 For instance, just to just to illustrate, we never went on holiday. 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:13.519 Okay. 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:17.279 We weren't a holidaying family, we were quite like, you know, and things like that. 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:24.720 Every now and then we'd that with that, and you'd go to a Chinese restaurant called I can't fucking remember what it's called, like in Knightsbridge, I think. 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:24.880 Yeah. 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:26.880 Imagine that in the 70s or 80s, what's it like? 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:30.960 Well that's the lower I grew up as well, but not maybe a decade before. 00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:35.200 You go somewhere and it'd be an experience in San Lorenzo. 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:36.559 I love San Lorenzo's. 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:37.039 I grew up in. 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.079 I've written about seven of my recipes based on San Lorenzo. 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:46.960 I don't really remember it as much as a sort of eating experience, more as the chaos that you do and people running around. 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:48.720 Because we dipped in and out of that. 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:52.240 You know, it was very normal over there, and sometimes it was. 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:54.240 And and we were sort of unused to it. 00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:59.839 It wasn't an inherent thing that we would expect to be at a restaurant or on holiday or any or have anything or shoes. 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:01.200 Well, like, what was your dad like? 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:09.440 I know that I know that this might be a different thing for you to have to chat about, but did it when it came to food, was he interested in that whole whole world? 00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:09.920 I know. 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:14.559 I I think there's a very weird post-war um embarrassment about food. 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:21.759 And you know, dad and I live with each other, and um we'd have we he literally scheduled the takeaways, we'd have it every day. 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:25.279 But on a Wednesday, we'd have a curry from over the Amazon Bridge. 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:32.240 And if you fought back on how shit it probably was, we'd have a McDonald's on a Thursday, and that's how we existed. 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:43.680 But that was the almost like we the British because someone is making their cooking sauce curry on the same day and having their having their chicken, or you know, and then having their um fish on the Friday, you know. 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:46.400 Every now and then, well, once got cooked Christmas dinner. 00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:48.079 Once, yeah, once. 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:53.039 Not by my mum loads with dad once, and it was like being in Das Boot. 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:54.480 Have you ever seen that film Das Boot? 00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:55.200 Yeah. 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:58.319 It was it was it was buttons. 00:24:58.640 --> 00:24:59.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:00.000 It was disgusting. 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.319 It would be the same Christmas dinner made out in Das Boot. 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:11.680 So, you know, restaurants were an experience more than um they were about the food, and I've learned more about food since. 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:17.200 What was restaurant culture like in kind of late 70s, early 80s? 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:27.279 Because I I don't think, I mean, I was born in the mid-80s, and I don't think I actually went to a proper restaurant until I was about 17, and it was still a weird thing to do, to go to a restaurant. 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.880 Like restaurants were sort of like a niche thing. 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:31.759 They're very niche. 00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:44.799 And I you probably have amazing food like this, like kind of old historical French food that existed and kind of that we were admired, but that kind of larger explosion, a cultural expansion of food that didn't exist. 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:46.880 Yeah, just going to a restaurant is like. 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.160 Britain for whatever historical reasons lag behind. 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:51.519 And it does when you travel through it. 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:57.279 It's just it's not the what you what you expect, is the kind of attitude towards food. 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:03.839 It's the little details about everyday life that people lack, about what they would do to make food good, right? 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:12.960 And that exists in every tier group in Spain and Italy and France, for instance, Eastern Europe and all those places. 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.759 The Balkan regions, all those kind of places. 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:17.039 I don't know why I know so much. 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:18.319 I know, this is great. 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.079 I wanna really like it. 00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:22.240 This Balkan knowledge is amazing. 00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:26.160 This makes you really smart. 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:37.440 Do you you feel like you've got to learn about food culture through through being able to tour, or do you feel like it's been a bit stunning? 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:39.839 We were very privileged that we were in front. 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:43.039 France

picked us up first, so that we couldn't do any wrong. 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:53.359 But anyway, we I don't want to to to to challenge that, but we still can't, you know, in in France they really, once they adopt you, they like you. 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.960 They like people with disorganised faces that can't sing, you know what I mean? 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:07.920 And so they um so you know, they've so we were out there a lot, and you know, we get taken out for dinner a lot and all that. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:14.640 So yeah, I mean, and as a byproduct of what you do, you quickly learn that that's a brilliant aspect to it, isn't it? 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.759 You know, you and the more you travel, the more you see. 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:24.319 Is there any way you've been on tour that you've you are like, oh god, I can't believe we're going there? 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:25.119 Because of food. 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:26.000 Well, in terms of the food. 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.480 Yeah, in terms of positively or negatively. 00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:30.400 Negatively, you're like, ugh, Germany. 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:31.680 Yeah, where have you been to the house? 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:38.400 Like the two first places to eat in Europe are Britain and Holland, they go. 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:40.000 Would you like some meat porridge? 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:41.119 Meat porridge. 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.759 There's tiny bits of frozen meat and some porridge, which is also frozen, and you're like, yeah. 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:47.680 You're like, yeah, well, I am hungry. 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:49.279 But that's changed quite a lot. 00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:54.079 I was in we did a gig with recently in Amsterdam, and it's just suddenly you can see when someone shifts. 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:56.559 In a way that it's like As in London, you know. 00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:58.559 Well, it's become very fancy, yeah. 00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:03.359 But the kind of the rough side of Amsterdam and the good side of it are all merging in a good way. 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:05.759 So it's like a perfect time to go there now. 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.519 And the food's absolutely amazing. 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:08.400 So I apologise. 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.960 In terms of London restaurants, do you have a favourite? 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.720 Is there somewhere in this city where you're like, that is my go-to? 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:23.359 I like different places for different reasons, but I quite like, you know, it's an obvious place. 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:29.279 I don't know whether it's always good food or not, but I just like the busyness of it, it's ballow just because I like where's that? 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:29.839 Fallow. 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:30.640 Fallow? 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:31.680 I don't know no fallow. 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:33.440 Oh, fallow! Yeah. 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.839 But you know, I went to a place that I can't remember the name of the other day, and that was good. 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.960 What is the best meal that you have been out for ever? 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:44.400 No, recent, recently. 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:45.759 Recently, recently. 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.720 It's a really um obvious place on off the Harrow Road. 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:49.680 It's like a Greek restaurant. 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:50.640 Oh, I love that place. 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:51.519 What is that place called? 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:53.920 Something on charcoal. 00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:55.839 Oh, it's shackles and charcoals? 00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:57.279 Shackles and charcoals? 00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:57.920 Yeah, something like that. 00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:58.720 Just shackles. 00:28:58.880 --> 00:28:59.279 A bit of a nest. 00:28:59.519 --> 00:28:59.920 Shackles. 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:01.359 Is it that place? 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:01.519 Yes. 00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:02.880 It's got like a tent in the back of it. 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:04.720 Yes, yes, but that place is a big deal. 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:10.640 Oh, it's just there by the tent and I think you can maybe here makes or not, but when I was saying it was fantastic. 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:13.440 That is that is in the top 50 best restaurants in London. 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:13.920 Is it? 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:14.240 Okay, yeah. 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:21.920 Certified by time out Pinella under the Trolloc Tower, a favourite of yours, yes or no? 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:22.640 I love it. 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.240 I love her, I love, I love it. 00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:25.039 What's Panella? 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:25.440 Tell me about this. 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:28.960 Like a Sicilian cafe, am I? 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:32.480 Oh, the one that's uh by um not Hammersmith, but just around the corner. 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:33.200 No, I'm just gonna be able to do it. 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:34.880 Literally in the Trolloc Tower. 00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:36.319 Yeah, it's on the bottom of it. 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.200 Yeah, it's been there for about eight or nine years or something, whatever it's like. 00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:40.559 So like your auntie now. 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:46.960 She's just brilliant, she's just honest, and you could have got because it gets so over-trendy around there, it can get ruined. 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:50.160 But they sort of defend that by making pretty good food. 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:56.079 And they make a load of different dishes, don't they, and put it out and they sort of re rewarm things. 00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:57.359 And it's Sicilian. 00:29:57.680 --> 00:29:58.880 I think that's the basis of it. 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:05.440 It's kind of Italian, Sicilian food, and it's so fantastic, it's cheap, and it's under there, so then you get that brilliant. 00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:15.440 I mean, it sounds poncy or a bit corny to say when you get a bit of a mixture of you get a man with a zip

in his shoulders, and then you get a person that doesn't, you know, with a baby. 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:20.400 But this is like have you ever been to e policies in Bethnel Green? 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:29.119 Talking of Italian food, Il Portico, you used to go every week, do you still? 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:45.680 Well, that's because it has a sort of it my son's grandfather on the other side of the family used to live around the corner, and he's American, and you know, I didn't necessarily get on with Cosmo's mum, but I used to get ordered in a way to go for dinner in a booth at booths. 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:46.960 Is it always a little booth? 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:53.440 He'd go, back to the room, would you like the and he'd tell me what I was like, and I'd go, he'd go, Would you like the Vongole? 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.960 And then I mentioned it once in the standard of the ES magazine. 00:30:57.039 --> 00:30:57.200 Yeah. 00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:03.039 And then James, the guy that uh that runs the restaurant, he's the son of the son of the son of the son. 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:03.279 Yeah. 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:05.440 And then went, oh my god, you called us the son. 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.319 I think it was a bit racist in a way, because I called them the sopranos. 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.240 Yeah, I was gonna say sopranos. 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.640 But it was more sopranos-y me going to see the grandfathers demand than you had to say. 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:15.119 Right. 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:20.880 Because he used to say things to me and I was the wrestling champion of Oxford in 1965. 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:22.079 Did you understand that? 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.200 Like a part of the wrestling team. 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:31.599 I'm not really and um and then and then James really bonded with me and went, oh, thanks so much. 00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:36.960 And then as a result, the grandfather went, ah, you did a good thing for James and this. 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.039 You're part of the family now, kind of. 00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.799 I could, yeah, I love that place. 00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:43.680 Wow. 00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:44.240 Thank you. 00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.680 That is so beautiful. 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:47.119 That's so good. 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:48.079 Otto. 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:51.119 That's your life, that's the plot. 00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:52.079 That's what you did. 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:52.960 You pressed that. 00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:55.440 The mason. 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:57.279 That's why you're a knight. 00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:58.400 And that's why I'm a knight. 00:31:58.480 --> 00:31:59.359 I'm a sauce knight. 00:31:59.440 --> 00:31:59.519 Yeah. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:00.880 Salty knight. 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.440 That is why salty knight, yeah. 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:04.640 Salty knight. 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:07.599 Oh boy! 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:09.759 You never knew. 00:32:10.000

--> 00:32:10.720 Pomsteu fle. 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:11.920 This is the pomstef. 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:13.519 This is a potato. 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:15.039 Temporal cushion. 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:17.119 There we go. 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:18.480 More sauce, there we go. 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:20.720 You're less salty now, more sauce. 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.119 Yeah, the salty night. 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:24.960 So this, can I pull this in? 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:26.559 Am I allowed to bring it in? 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:27.359 Who's this? 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:28.799 So this is some some burns. 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:32.000 This is a Hollandaise. 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:32.720 This is a classic. 00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:35.359 This is a potato, and you cut a potato strip. 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:36.960 I'm not this is magic. 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:37.680 Look. 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:38.240 Whoa. 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:39.440 That is a fucking potato. 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:40.319 That's like a crisp. 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:40.559 Okay. 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:42.160 Oh my god, is it like a mustard? 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:43.599 It's a crisp cushion. 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:45.200 But they've not been sandwiched together. 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:46.799 It's in a cooking technique that they explain. 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:47.839 Oh wow. 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:48.400 Wow, it's magic. 00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:49.920 Oh, like popcorn with potatoes. 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:51.039 Yeah, it's delicious. 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:52.319 I don't want to talk about that. 00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:56.160 Well, I'm going in. 00:32:58.160 --> 00:32:59.039 Oh my god. 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:00.079 It's unreal. 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:01.279 That's pigeon, but tasting. 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:04.079 So that's just cooked. 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.759 So a tasting menu would normally be a small bit of something showed off. 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:10.559 What they've actually done here is it's better than a tasting menu. 00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.680 They've just got the whole pigeon and created five dishes with it. 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:15.680 Which is just all from one thing. 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:17.119 That's crazy. 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:18.079 Is it delicious? 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:18.960 It's like a red meat. 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:20.079 It's like lamb. 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:21.359 It's not a red meat, though, isn't it? 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:23.279 Would you not call it a red meat? 00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:23.839 I'd say it's a red. 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:24.799 I mean, like, this is the thing. 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:26.079 It's like you call it so tender. 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:28.640 You call it white, but it's game. 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:29.200 It is game. 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:29.759 It's game. 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:30.640 It's bloody game. 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.960 It doesn't feel like really that kind of Britishy game. 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:35.440 Well, it doesn't taste game, but it's fresh and light and game. 00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:42.240 I hate the the first time of Emily and I say this, but it's only when you eat and drink and then talk about food, it's quite sexy. 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:43.519 Oh, a thanks though. 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.960 When you start eating this, you feel quite drunk and a bit, yeah. 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.559 As you eat it, kind of that absorbs some of the alcohol. 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:55.680 Yeah, well, this is what I said. 00:33:56.160 --> 00:34:03.200 Because if you're too drunk or too mad, you wouldn't care about then you just care about going to like La Choluto's. 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:04.720 I don't know what that is. 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:06.319 Oh shit. 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.679 If you haven't seen it yet, you have to watch it. 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:19.679 Otto does his mess his menu based around one of my favourite films of all time, Le Grand Booth. 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:21.280 Have you seen Le Grand Booth? 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:22.079 I don't know Le Grand Booth. 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:34.320 So Le Grand Booth is a uh film from the 60s, an art house film that was made about these three guys who decide to go and commit suicide because they're losing all their money on the stock exchange, and they take relatable. 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:34.960 Oh yeah. 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:40.559 They take all the food in the world and loads of sex workers, and they basically kill the they fucking eat themselves to death. 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.639 And honestly, this is for me. 00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:44.880 So thank you for coming off here today. 00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:52.239 Is there a collaborative minds of musicians that you've gone out with and it's just all ended up in absolute? 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:54.559 Who's a good musician to go for dinner with? 00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.159 Yeah, who are we hanging out with next? 00:34:56.400 --> 00:35:00.639 I mean, I you know, I'm not gonna I'm not one to mention names. 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:06.159 But I'm not going to mention no, but you know, I have some nice tenants of people I really like. 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:10.320 No, but like, okay, so because for example, the the damned. 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:12.880 They spoke a lot about some things for back. 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.119 But yeah, they were like the Baxter, no. 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.840 They were like, when we used to go drinking with Lemmy. 00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:18.719 Yeah, with Lemmy. 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.599 I would never see him eat and he didn't eat for 45 years. 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.039 Is there any anecdotes you have? 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.400 So you're looking for a sort of the historical anecdote. 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:29.280 Well, I don't know, because I can't remember anything. 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:31.119 I find it boring all that stuff. 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:31.519 But you know. 00:35:31.920 -->

00:35:33.679 Oh, I love I love that kind of. 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:40.320 I mean, I have, you know, sometimes I will meet um Peter Blake and tall my parents. 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:41.920 Peter Blake! Wow! 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:47.199 Um, you know, our art schools, and um and Jarvis and his wife are friends of them. 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:52.559 So sometimes and Blake, Rose Blake, who's Jar who's Peter's daughter, it's a really good friend of mine. 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:54.239 We have these amazing lunches. 00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:55.519 I actually love doing that. 00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.360 And that's really about people you really like. 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:02.719 And everyone is surprisingly quiet and nice and I mean everyone's completely normal, aren't they? 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.920 Like I think we always assume that it's gonna be utter chaos. 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:07.360 But there must have been chaos. 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:12.639 Like, there must have been some things where you go, oh my god, I'm on tour, I'm at this mechanical. 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:17.840 I see chaos in some way, but in the same way, I kind of cry and close it down, if you know what I mean. 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:18.719 Yeah, you're really good. 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:19.119 I'm good. 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.559 We're very similar, but I love chaos. 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.039 I love, I want to throw pavement stones at cats. 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:27.280 No! But you know what I mean? 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:29.119 I want to just But you don't. 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.360 You're never coming around again since the last time. 00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:32.400 I want to go and set like. 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:34.480 I want to kick I want to kick swans, it's fine. 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:35.199 I totally understand. 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.360 Oh, swans deserve a kicking. 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:40.239 You press anything. 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:41.440 I press anything, yeah. 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:43.360 Do they eat swan anyway? 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:43.840 Okay. 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:46.159 Do they eat does anyone where do they eat swan? 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:50.320 Is there anywhere that in the world that you're in King Henry? 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:50.719 Yeah. 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.159 Yeah, he did a very famous uh like a dish, yeah. 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:55.840 But it was swan, duck. 00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.320 It was eight different birds, all in one swan. 00:36:58.639 --> 00:36:59.360 Oh yeah, yeah. 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:02.639 But is that one of those sort of big display like a thing that they did? 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:04.000 No, no, no, you just cut it. 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:05.599 And they're all inside each other? 00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:06.559 Yeah, all in. 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:07.599 But the swan one is. 00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.559 But they don't they eat swan in France, or is a swan like a tough bird? 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:13.519 It'd be like a tough big. 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:14.320 I don't know. 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:15.519 I think it'd be like a tough bird. 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:17.679 But now you need to pine it a tough bird. 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:19.440 Yeah. 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:20.400 You need to pine it. 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:20.960 It's quite. 00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.760 And then you need to be careful when you cook it. 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.719 Because it's got it's like a but we've never cooked it. 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:27.119 No. 00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:27.360 No. 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:29.679 But we don't but you're not allowed to cook it here though, right? 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:30.880 You're not allowed to cook it here. 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:32.559 What I have done is otol. 00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:33.360 Otolo? 00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:33.760 Otto. 00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:34.480 Otteran. 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:36.559 Oh, the birds, but you have to wear the mask. 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:37.840 That was in the 70s. 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:38.320 That was in the middle. 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:41.280 No, that's one of those where they're putting the napkin out of your hand. 00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:42.559 The ghoul would eat the mansion. 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:42.960 Bunting. 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:43.679 Bunting is called. 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:44.400 Yeah, bunting. 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:44.880 The little one. 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:47.440 Otteran. 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:47.679 Yeah. 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:48.719 Do you do that here? 00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:48.960 No. 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:50.480 No, that's illegal. 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:52.639 That was in the white, not in the 70s. 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:56.639 And you basically soak them in cognac and then you eat the whole thing in one go. 00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:57.039 Ooh. 00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:59.440 But you have to under the you're doing the. 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.159 There's a famous one with the ghoul eating cognitive. 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:02.880 That's it, that's it. 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:03.519 I know. 00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:04.320 Oh, yeah, I got you. 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:05.039 She's been there. 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:06.480 Woo! 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:11.760 There's a dormant genius in me that's never really flourished. 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:13.679 So when I was really young, I cooked. 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.800 When you say really young, I was really when I was 17. 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.280 So when I was a very long and boring. 00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:21.840 When I was 17, I lived in Barcelona. 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.199 And I didn't got financial schools and I went to Barcelona. 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:30.320 And I lived with a crazy woman, and she had loads of people just staying there from different places they've escaped. 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.360 And I lived with a Cuban guy called Carlos, and he'd escaped from the city. 00:38:36.559 -->

00:38:46.559 So Carlos was trying to get to America to study at the whatever institute, because he was a classical guitar player from Havana, and he was amazed. 00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:48.880 One of those motherfucking places. 00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:54.159 In Spain, they have quite a low cooperative relationship with Cuba, so the secret police infiltrate everywhere. 00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:55.280 So he wouldn't leave. 00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:04.880 And then I roll up with holes in my shoes and a bit of labor grove with a sort of Henry VIII haircut or some rapping intentions and stuff like that. 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:06.079 So I knobed. 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:07.599 And I couldn't cook a thing. 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.719 And so then he taught me to cook for a while, me and Carlos. 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.599 And he went, You are basically a very primitive human being. 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:15.360 Charming. 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:17.920 No, not really. 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:18.719 And we bonded. 00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.000 And he taught me to cook like rice with eggs and sausage and things like that. 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.039 But I can't remember any of it. 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.440 But that sounds like a good basis to come from, right? 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:30.079 I feel like it's a real bonding lad experience. 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.719 Yeah, it was a really bonding thing, and he was amazing. 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.039 But he taught you nothing at the end of the day. 00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:36.800 No, he didn't. 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.440 Are you su oh my god. 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:40.639 Oh my god. 00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:41.679 Look at that. 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:44.159 Alex has a pie. 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:45.280 That's the same pigeon. 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:45.840 Professor. 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:46.159 Yeah. 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:46.719 Yeah. 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:47.760 That's the Lex. 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:49.039 And um mushrooms. 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:50.239 Oh, thank you. 00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:50.480 Wow. 00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:52.159 And your engine has been doing the work. 00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:55.119 That pigeon looked quite small when we saw it earlier. 00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:57.199 You're starving. 00:39:59.519 --> 00:39:59.760 Yeah, yeah. 00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:00.960 I've got an appetite for destruction. 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.039 This is um this is the fly of the pigeon. 00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:04.159 This is the fly I got with the pigeon. 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:04.960 Insides, right? 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:06.239 And this is a mushroom? 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:07.840 No, inside that's a pie. 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.400 So that is the legs of the of the pigeon. 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:10.719 Yeah. 00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:12.079 And then it's a travel sauce with. 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:13.760 Wow. 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:14.480 Look at this. 00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.280 And honestly, that is truly heroic. 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.159 Okay, go and then the way my knife just slides through that meat. 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:23.840 It's like butter. 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.320 Oh! You're currently writing a new book. 00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:29.039 Am I? 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:30.400 Allegedly. 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:32.159 The people say you are. 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:35.519 Yeah, I I signed up to write a second half to the book that I wrote about. 00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:42.800 But the dullest idea in the world is writing about kind of male exploits in your 30s and 40s and all the kind of obvious things. 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.400 Yeah, be like, what do those guys get up to? 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:45.119 Yeah, wow, wow. 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:46.239 What are they doing? 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:48.719 Drugs and you know, not drugs or whatever. 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.320 Um it's one of the two. 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:58.159 It's um I just find that so I kind of thought I'd try and write auto fiction, but then you go into a sort of writing thing. 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.679 Whereas you write, honestly, you can sort of talk it in a way. 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:02.800 And then someone help you. 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:14.880 And we've got I've got a brilliant manager and uh publisher who are brilliant and very long-suffering, so they can help you in your sort of educated sense of writing, and they don't mind that and they like it. 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:24.719 But once you go into something which is pretending the professes to be writing, then you start to brush against kind of being a bit more accurate about the way you write something. 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:33.440 I remember I remember when you wrote the first book and you were struggling with so many outside sort of ideas of how people would perceive it, family were gonna perceive it, all of these things. 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:37.679 And it came out and it's been incredibly successful, hence why you're doing another book. 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:48.880 Do you are you going into this one with the same anxieties or well no, the first one's a bit of a big rehearsed thing about your childhood and it's fine, and it's a sort of lost generation, it's a generational thing that's lost, isn't it? 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:54.239 Like you wrote about something that's not necessarily about fame, but about a way of life. 00:41:55.119 --> 00:42:04.639 And then then if you don't want to write about and then I'm bored about the second stage of it, so it's very difficult to try and work out why you don't make it into a murder mystery. 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:14.239 Did you find that there was completely mutually exclusive things things where the writing that you write for your music to writing about life? 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:15.440 Are they completely separate? 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:21.519 There's something similar in a sense that you can get into a zone, and it's amazing when you get into a zone,

you can do anything. 00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.519 Yeah, which is quite reassuring in a way. 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:39.119 I mean, I had the perfect conditions of being in in lockdown, living with my son who's quite nerdy in a fact, and and doing his A levels and trying to get the doing the best at those, and then I sort of used that slip streak, it kept me sane. 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:42.880 So I had such a prompt to be like, I'm gonna keep myself sane by this. 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:43.760 Yeah, something like that. 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:48.159 Because my otherwise I'd search into the apocalypse and I'd be like, fucking hell. 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:52.000 And you're back in the studio, right? 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:52.719 Is that not correct? 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:52.880 Yeah. 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:53.440 Yeah. 00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.079 And what what does this next album look like for you? 00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:58.480 Well, you try and try and shake it up a little bit. 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:04.639 You do one thing, and then you kind of I mean, I'm kind of able to do what I want, aren't I, in a way? 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:09.920 I don't really have to sort of perform to expectation or do something that people expect. 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:14.800 So it's quite fun in a way, and then the same thing with a book, you go a bit, oh fuck, what do I do next? 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:25.039 I think maybe freeing, because I've I know that that there's been sort of maybe expect expectual limitations on how you were going to perform and now you've superseded it all, right? 00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:25.360 Yeah. 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:27.920 So how does it feel going into writing this album going ah? 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:29.679 Oh, kind of fun in a way. 00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:37.039 Yeah, it's kind of fun in a way, because you where you kind of you have a momentum and that's on your side, and whether that produces something really good, you don't know. 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:43.679 But the momentum's on your side, and you enjoy like we're about to go on a massive tour, so like, so we're fine. 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.239 You that keeps you kind of financially secure anyway. 00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:48.239 So you kind of do what you want in a way. 00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:53.199 And then also, and then you start to look at all these people that are making amazing music around you. 00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:54.960 And it's the ones I really like. 00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:56.719 I just listened to someone called Ald. 00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:57.440 Do you know Aldus? 00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:58.559 Aldus Harding. 00:43:58.880 --> 00:43:58.960 Yeah. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:00.320 Amazing. 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:02.400 She surprised me right so much. 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:03.679 How good she is. 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:06.719 And that makes you go, like, and there's no way I can even be. 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.280 Yeah, she does, she works with them a lot. 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:12.400 No way you could be as good as you know, and but it's quite nice. 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:16.400 Well, no, no, but in the in the sense of the kind of pure musicality of someone doing. 00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:17.199 Right, fine. 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.840 You know, and it makes you want to go, oh, I really want to be with the computer. 00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:20.960 Can I ask you something deep? 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:22.960 Like, I don't know if you know this, maybe people do. 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.920 Like, are you are you a trained musician or is it something that you've just got? 00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:33.360 I obviously know a lot about music, and I've grew up with it, and I have a bit of a privilege of being around it all my life. 00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:34.320 So I know about it. 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:35.199 Oh, of course. 00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:40.079 And I don't need to get stuck into what that is, what that chord is and all that shit. 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:41.119 It doesn't really matter. 00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:47.840 But it it matters, and I can't really sing, so it matters how you Oh well come up. 00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:54.320 But you know, it matters how you what I I perceive music quite deeply and want it to be special. 00:44:54.559 --> 00:45:00.320 And then for instance, if you perceived as someone that just talks all the time, that's kind of dull for me. 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:07.840 Your talking music's kind of dull, even though I might be someone that that's kind of propagating that or famous for that. 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:08.559 I I like to do so. 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:10.079 But are you dip in and out of that? 00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:16.320 I think maybe the general idea is that's what you are, but I mean like for anyone who knows your music and loves you knows that it's more than that. 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:17.760 And well, maybe, yeah. 00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.880 Will you work with Paul Lapworth again on the next album? 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:21.679 Because I hope so. 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.400 So that was was that in Crouch End in the church studios? 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:26.960 Alright, uh Crouch End lunch times. 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:28.559 Where are you going for lunch in Crouch End? 00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:29.360 In Paul End. 00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.440 Or is Paul Lapworth just calling in? 00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:33.039 Well, it's all himself. 00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:39.840 You know, he lives in a certain world where sometimes Paul Lap will work and I'll sit next to him and he won't really talk in his brilliant way. 00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:44.719 And I'll just sit there going and there's someone, he's a bit kind of a butlerized world. 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.440 And someone comes and goes, Is everyone okay? 00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:52.800 What would you like? 00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.440 And he will he will order like green juice. 00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:56.880 Like walnuts with

enzymes. 00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:57.360 Oh, okay, yeah. 00:45:57.679 --> 00:45:59.280 Can you get me walnuts with enzymes? 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:00.960 And you're like, is that tasty? 00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:02.960 Or I don't know if I'd be into walnuts with enzymes. 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:03.920 I'm having enzymes. 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:06.400 I've got a hash can of bee and messy lunch. 00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:07.199 Do you eat put? 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:08.159 Yeah, I'm not. 00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:08.960 Yeah, we need. 00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:10.719 No, no, we're not gonna go anywhere with that one. 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:12.480 Pudding. 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:15.840 I've got a hash can of bee and messy lunch. 00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:17.199 Okay, so Baxter. 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:19.199 We're mid through our messy lunch. 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:20.880 I feel like we're almost there. 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:22.000 Coming towards the end. 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.400 Because this has been a fairly messy lunch. 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:26.159 Quite relatively, yeah. 00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.360 Comparatively to the other ones, I'd say this is. 00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:38.000 That was a mess. 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:38.800 Do you get that? 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:39.599 Can I ask? 00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:40.239 Can I ask him? 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.599 Do you think Otto ever does things that aren't meant to happen? 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:43.840 Yeah. 00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:45.519 That he still like braves out. 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:47.599 I think Otto does it. 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:48.639 This is what always happens. 00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:48.800 Yeah. 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.039 Every now and then someone might perish. 00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.280 How do you make your pancakes? 00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:00.079 Flour and mortar. 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:01.679 Oh look at your little eyes. 00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:04.880 Look how beautiful! Like a bloodbath. 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.679 Am I another bloodbath in a day? 00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:10.880 You can really focus on me eating this in a sort of erotic way. 00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:16.400 Okay, so this is Crep Suzette with a brandy snap and an ice cream and some raspberry sauce. 00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:17.760 And this is as classic as you get. 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:18.480 And how delicious. 00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:19.440 Everything you want in a pudding is that. 00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:21.679 I'm going in. 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.159 How do I sound eating this? 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:30.880 Let's see. 00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:34.320 Baxter, you were asked to be a detective on a TV show recently. 00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:35.119 Well too? 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:35.840 That's true, yeah. 00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:36.719 Did you say yes? 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:37.519 No, no, I did. 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:38.239 But you know what happened? 00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:39.920 Have some context, first of all. 00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:44.480 Well a friend of mine who's a script writer came and said, Would you want to be a detective? 00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.360 Actually, I'm gonna say no to this, but everyone else must. 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:48.800 It looks amazing, but I can't. 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:49.519 Oh, it's really good. 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:51.599 Babe, babe, just get it poured and I'll drink it for you. 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:52.079 Okay, right. 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:53.760 Why are you having reservations? 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:55.679 Because I just I'm shit face. 00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:56.239 Shh. 00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:58.400 Proper up. 00:47:58.559 --> 00:47:59.360 Proper up. 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:01.440 We can go. 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:02.320 She's fine. 00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.239 Weekend of Bernie style. 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.079 But what in the meantime, what's more interesting is I helped write it. 00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:12.159 Like I went into the writing thing. 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.400 I'm still in it, but it's about a my daughter. 00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:20.239 And my daughter comes to visit me in um and I live in Button. 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:21.360 It's acting, babe. 00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:21.920 Okay. 00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:23.519 Sorry, I'm not regular. 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.400 I live in Berlin and I'm a sort of Troubadoe card. 00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:27.119 It doesn't live in Berlin. 00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:27.920 Okay, right, okay, right. 00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:28.719 I'm there now. 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.079 And they're um and they're trying to make this and but they're making it into a graphic novel now. 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:35.039 Oh, that's even better. 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.360 How good is that you're acting in a graphic novel? 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:39.679 Well they're making it into a graphic novel first. 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:43.039 Messi! 00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.199 This was the messiest lunch we've had so far. 00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:47.679 Oh. 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:53.280 Where is he? 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:54.079 Here he comes. 00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:56.159 Here you go, come, no one can speak. 00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:58.400 Hey Otto. 00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:02.320 Thank you so much.