Full Transcript for Walking Through It: David Osmond & Mayor Brett Hales

friends, good buddies, and and you have always had an affinity towards the music scene and the music business and and concerts and shows. 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:20.400 And so we always connected on that for sure. 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:26.000 In fact, we're right here at the Murray Theater, which is gorgeous, all newly renovated and and just beautiful. 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:26.560 So thank you. 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:28.319 It's nice to be in your uh your backyard here. 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:29.199 We're glad to have you. 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:29.919 Thanks for doing it. 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:33.520 This will be exciting, like David said, first of um, hopefully many. 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:34.800 So we're looking forward to it. 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:35.199 Nice. 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:36.639 So we're meeting the mayor officially. 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:38.879 So I g I figure if we're gonna dive right in. 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:43.520 Uh uh I've known you a long time, but I guarantee there's stories for days of stuff I don't know. 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:52.560 So tell us a little bit about who Brett Hales is, who you are, where do you come from, what's your background, a little bit about your family, and how you ended up in Murray. 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:53.680 Okay, I'll tell you. 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:56.080 So uh I'm from Magna, Utah. 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:56.479 Nice. 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:58.159 We're way out west, you can't get more West Center. 00:02:58.400 --> 00:02:58.879 Oh, yeah, too well. 00:02:59.120 --> 00:02:59.599 Center of the universe. 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:01.039 Center of the year, center of the universe. 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:08.000 So anyway, we uh uh I grew up there, uh, met a beautiful young lady on my mission in Alaska. 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:08.319 Yeah. 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.439 Uh back then that was not that was frowned upon. 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:13.520 You know, now now they're kind of pushing it. 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:16.000 You weren't dating on your mission, though, well we dated a little bit. 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:16.479 Okay. 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:19.840 So we were we, you know, we went home about a year early, but no, okay. 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:22.400 So we we we we uh didn't. 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.680 You went from one companion to immediately to your That's right. 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:28.080 So anyway, met her up there in Alaska, got married. 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:32.000 It was a short couple weeks engagement, dated two months, got married. 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:33.360 My parents said, Now who is she? 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:35.759 And I'm going, like, Dad, how did you know? 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:36.719 And he goes, I just knew. 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:38.080 And I said, I just know, Dan. 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:41.919 So she skyline thir up on about 3,500 east. 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:43.120 I was 8,900 west. 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:43.520 Okay. 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:46.560 So we came

together and went uh bought in Murray. 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:48.000 You met in Alaska though. 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:48.639 On our missions. 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:50.080 Well, you were both missionaries up. 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:51.039 Oh, I see. 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:51.680 Okay, that makes sense. 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:52.080 Okay, yeah. 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:57.120 So both missionaries up there, and then uh got married, and we decided that Murray was the place. 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:03.280 And so we uh Cindy's dad was an educator and said Murray Education School School District School System's phenomenal. 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:06.080 So we met or we decided to uh move to Murray. 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:10.479 We've raised all five kids in Murray, they all went to Murray schools, they're all married now. 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:13.759 We have going on our 15th grandchild, and so you know. 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:16.879 We're not gonna have 115 like the Osmonds. 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:19.360 I didn't get uh you never know. 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:20.800 I mean, uh there's still time. 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:23.920 I are the cliches of grandparenthood all true? 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:27.120 Because every one of my friends are now into that realm of their life. 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:28.319 We're saying it is the best. 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:29.199 Oh, it's the best. 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:30.319 Let me tell you, you know why? 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:33.519 Because you can do whatever you want, hang out with them, and send them back to the parents. 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:35.600 And so let me tell you, oh, yeah, it's great. 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.879 I I am a different person than I was with my kids, with my grandkids. 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:42.560 Kind of wish I would have maybe had grandkids first so I could learn how to be a parent. 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:44.079 But yeah, we've it changes you. 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.240 Oh, it blessed our lives, big time. 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:48.000 So we lived in Murray. 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:48.240 Yeah. 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.920 Uh still live in Murray, and uh I worked for Cyprus Credit Union for 30 years. 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:53.920 That's I remember you were there when we met. 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:55.199 That's where we met, yeah. 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:57.120 And so uh had a great career there, loved it. 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:06.240 And then all of a sudden, things started to happen with my legs, they weren't working, and things that you're familiar with where I started to have spasms in the leg and legs, and I thought, I don't know what's going on. 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:08.240 Finally, we found out it was multiple sclerosis. 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:16.079 Yeah, and uh I was uh had to retire from Cyprus Credit Union because I got so bad, was in the wheelchair and a little bit of time on that feeding tube. 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:17.839 And uh they took care of me. 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:19.439 Cyprus Credit Union. 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:24.560 I never missed a beat with some salaries, and and uh so I was blessed on that area. 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:28.560 And so one day Dan Snar says, Hey, you want to run for council? 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:30.399 I says, What count what does that mean? 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:30.879 Council. 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:32.000 He says, City council. 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:32.720 I said, What city? 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:34.160 He goes, Well, Brett, you're in Murray. 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:35.680 I said, Well, yeah, I don't know anything about it. 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:37.920 Last time I ran for something was student by president. 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:39.920 So Dan Snar was the impetus. 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:42.399 That was the that was the opening of the yeah. 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:44.480 He just he just called me up right out of the blue. 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:44.959 Yeah. 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:49.120 I kind of said yes without knowing what I was saying yes to. 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:52.800 And had a great opponent, she'd been in for years. 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:55.040 In fact, we're still friends to this day. 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:55.279 Yeah. 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:56.800 I happened to win. 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:58.480 I was shocked to be able to do it. 00:05:58.800 --> 00:05:59.759 You were surprised yourself, huh? 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:00.560 I was surprised. 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:01.439 You know what happened? 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:05.279 When the numbers showed that I won, and uh and they were kind of messed up a little bit. 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:06.639 And I don't know if you know Mike Maurer. 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:07.120 Mike Maur. 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:07.920 I know Mike, yeah. 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.360 So he was with me and Mike Squires, and they were telling me something's wrong with these numbers. 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:14.480 And I'm going, you guys, come on, let it go. 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:16.560 I lost, you know, and I'm okay with that. 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:18.480 In fact, I think I was really okay with it. 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:20.879 I thought I did a good job, and that that's good. 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:26.800 And then they the clerk fixed them, and all of a sudden I won, and I went, oh no, what am I gonna do? 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:32.480 So you ran with probably maybe not the full intention of believing that you were even going to. 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:35.360 No kidding. 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:39.600 I had hoped that I'd win, but no, I didn't have and I couldn't say anything in the future by any means. 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.399 Saying that publicly, how do your constituents feel about that? 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:43.439 Like I just ran for fun. 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:44.000 I don't know. 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:44.959 They voted me in five more. 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:46.240 Maybe that's why. 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:47.120 Because you know what?

00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:50.319 They knew you weren't taking it too seriously in the sense that it was about you. 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:53.519 It was like, it was well, I had a I had a I just want to serve, right? 00:06:53.680 --> 00:07:01.199 I had a uh a Utah senator, uh, he's gone years ago, and and uh a friend of mine took me to him, and he goes, Tell me why you're running. 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:07.600 And I thought for a minute, I thought, um, because I want to give back to the citizens of Murray because they've been so good to me. 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:11.120 And he goes, That's the dumbest answer, dumb, dumbest answer I've ever heard. 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:16.800 And I'm thinking, okay, so I went home thinking, okay, I gotta figure out a platform and whatever. 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:22.240 And I kind of have done that through the years, and finally I've just accepted, hey, I don't have a flat, I don't have a platform. 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.680 I am who I am, and I just want to give back to the citizens. 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:27.759 If they don't want that, I'm good with that. 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:29.920 But so far, we've been very blessed. 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:42.399 So, not coming from the political background, and you're just you're just you you're a normal guy that you've got your family, you've gone through some challenges uh on the personal side, the physical side, you you you appreciate life that much more because of it. 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:50.079 What has been the biggest surprise to you about the role of being in city council and now mayor that you didn't understand before? 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:55.360 City council, you've got partners, you've got um four other people with you. 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:59.920 And so if you do something dumb, you can go, yeah, they did it too. 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:01.439 You can pass the butt pretty good. 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:04.959 But anyway, so city council was a team effort. 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:15.519 It takes three to pass anything, and so and and always been blessed with a great crew of people to work with, and um different opinions, but what a what a novel idea. 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:17.120 We disagreed but liked each other. 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:20.319 Yeah, and so that's how it's always been here at Murray. 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.319 So one day somebody said, and I my health started to get a little better. 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:35.919 As you know, I I was a proponent of cannabis, and cannabis got me out of my wheelchair, and then the new drug, Ocravus, uh, which is a six-month drip that I do, it's about a six, five-hour drip every six months. 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:39.120 Pharmaceutical disease modifying therapy, they call them. 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:45.519 And and um there's about 26 disease modifying therapies on the market now, which is insane, which is crazy. 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.559 Because when you have to do it, the development of multiple sclerosis for research. 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:49.440 There was nothing. 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:49.759 Nothing. 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:56.559 Well, my dad had MS for 40 years of his life, and and when he was first diagnosed, I was just a little boy. 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:00.480 So he and I share not just the love of music, but also the same diagnosis. 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:05.360 But when he was diagnosed, they gave him aspirin and said, Hey, yeah, come back in six months, maybe you'll have something. 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:05.759 Sure. 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:07.759 And it's and that was a long time ago. 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:12.159 So it it more has been developed in the last five years than the last hundred for MS. 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:13.919 It's it things are going well. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:20.480 We have a long way to go in MS Research, but but there are ways to manage and maybe maybe get a leg up, literally. 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:23.600 Let me tell you, Alan, your dad, was an inspiration to me. 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:27.440 When I got to meet Suzanne and your dad, it was just a joy. 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:28.000 And you know what? 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:29.600 I always felt I could always talk to him. 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:30.879 Yeah, he was Mr. 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:31.440 Positive. 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.559 I never I mean, you and you were around him more than I was, but he was Mr. 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:34.960 Positive. 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:35.519 He was the same. 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:37.919 We're gonna fight this, we're not this will never give up. 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:41.919 It didn't matter if he could barely walk, he or even move in the wheelchair. 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:42.879 He was not gonna give up. 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:43.919 He wasn't gonna give up. 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:50.000 So, and for him to say that phrase that we use that I may have MS, but MS doesn't have me, that wasn't that was huge. 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:51.519 He said that when I was a little boy. 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:52.399 That's that was huge. 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:53.360 From the very beginning. 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:54.480 I've used that. 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.759 I have used that and said, oh no, now I put David. 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:00.480 Well, I stand on the shoulders of a giant. 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:01.279 You're dude. 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:02.000 No question. 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:05.600 And my dad, so I'm one of eight boys, no, no sisters. 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:10.559 And when my dad first said you have MS, his first reaction was, Well, what does that mean? 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:11.279 Many sons? 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:15.759 I know what that I I don't know, I've never heard the term multiple sclerosis. 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:21.600 But despite whatever he knew about it or didn't, he he his first thing was, David, I'm gonna tell you this. 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:24.879 I may have MS, but MS does not have me, son.

00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:34.480 And and his whether it's the stubbornness or that uber optimistic positivity, he he's always had on and off the stage, behind the scenes and in front of the curtain and and behind. 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:44.480 She he's that guy, maybe has played to his advantage of being able to overcome adversity with with tenacity, with with grace, with just determination to make it. 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:46.159 Um we miss him terribly. 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.000 Uh, as you know, of course, my father passed away um earlier this year. 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:55.600 And we just a gaping hole in our hearts, but his legacy of resilience lives on. 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:57.120 And so I have a lot to live up to. 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:58.000 He set the bar for me. 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:03.279 So now me living with MS and out of my wheelchair, the fact I'm walking and moving again. 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:20.159 I'm look- I look at my kids now and say, how can I now pay it forward to them and set that example and and uh and do it with as much real positivity and genuineness, uh, as well as addressing the issues at hand without just sugarcoating things, being honest and and sincere. 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.799 I think I'm living a much richer and more fuller life because of this than I would else. 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:31.039 I hope that uh so our son, Nathan, he's 37, well, he was 37, uh, heagnosed with Parkinson's, yeah. 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:33.519 Youngest, youngest one in the state of Utah. 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:34.799 And it's really affected him. 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:36.240 He's it's a progressive. 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:43.759 But I hope that, like you said, that what I went through, you know, whoever whoever would ever guess that my son would be going through that. 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:49.600 But he got to see, not that I was maybe the best role model, but I mean he looked and looks at me and thinking, okay, I can do this. 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:52.159 My dad did it, yeah, and uh or is doing it. 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:58.639 And so, and he he went through what we all went through mad, pity, yeah, this, all that. 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:02.320 And then all of a sudden now I'm watching him, he's going like I can do this. 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:08.639 And his work is supporting him and standing by him, and so he's got a great family, so he's gonna be fine. 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:12.159 There'll be there's not a lot of new medicine with uh Parkinson's, but guess what? 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:18.720 It'll be less like you and me, yeah, where nothing was really not much was available, and all of a sudden, 26 therapies now. 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:20.159 I love that he's got that mentality. 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:29.919 In fact, my grandpa would tell me that and my dad that again, my grandpa was a drill sergeant in the army during World War II, and and he raised his boys accordingly, by the way. 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:31.200 There were nine kids. 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.399 My dad was one of uh uh eight boys and one girl. 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:38.639 Marie got the bedroom, and everybody else got the barracks in the inspections. 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:40.000 But so he he was tough. 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:43.039 My grandpa was, and then my dad served in the army as well, and so he was tough. 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.480 But they both of them would say, You're gonna go through stuff in life, David. 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:57.120 Maybe it's MS, maybe it's cancer, maybe it's diabetes, maybe it's uh ALS, maybe it's you know Parkinson's, financial problems, depression, addiction. 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:58.399 There's challenges everywhere. 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:00.320 But I promise you, kid. 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:04.480 And it's what your son was saying no matter what it is, you can do it. 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:05.679 You can do it. 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:06.639 Don't ever forget that. 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.120 And just that stubbornness, as a drill sergeant would say. 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:13.679 So I wrote a song uh about living with MS, and I called it exactly that. 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:14.639 I can do this. 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:15.279 That's awesome. 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:20.480 And and it's it and me to me, music is medicine, it's what I use to as a driver, as a positive. 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:21.600 And you've always been that way. 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:24.080 Ever since I've known you, music has been a part of your life. 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:24.559 Always. 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:25.600 Why do you think so? 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:27.200 And what kind of music drives you? 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:38.240 Well, my parents sang together, uh did duets their whole life, and it's just around the area, but they did it sounds kind of crazy, but I think over five eight hundred funerals. 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:42.799 And they were date, my mom had a beautiful alto voice, and then she came down with Alzheimer's. 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:46.399 And so talk about my dad took care of her for 18 years. 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.720 And I said one time to him, Dad, do you need to take mom to a care center? 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:55.600 And he goes, Brett, she's my sweetheart, and I I'm gonna keep her till the end. 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:56.320 And he did. 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:59.679 Now, some people can't do that because it's difficulties and very hard. 00:13:59.919 --> 00:14:02.320 But my dad was able to do that, so that was like you saw. 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:06.720 I saw that too, and the tenacity and the drive that my dad had. 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:07.519 He never complained. 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:10.320 I never heard him ever say this is hard. 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:13.279 He just said, She's my sweetheart and I love her. 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:15.279 And so I learned from that similar to what you're saying. 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.720 And then and then my

drive is just the music. 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:21.919 I don't know what well, I know what music music drives me. 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.080 It gives me uh now. 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:28.720 I there are a few church hymns that I can say, but I always say, get the new book out. 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:29.200 Come on. 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.799 We need I need some new music, some of this soul music that's going in there. 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:34.000 Yeah, I like it. 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.000 And I love it, to be honest with you. 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:38.559 And I'm a like upbeat, none of this slow stuff. 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:42.960 Keep us going, upbeat, be sing it faster than maybe what's required. 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:45.919 And so I just grew up going to Boston, Kansas, Sticks. 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:47.679 My brothers love the Beatles. 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:48.960 I'm a I'm the baby of eight. 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:49.840 So I'm similar. 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:51.039 I'm the I'm the baby of eight. 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:53.039 Six boys, two girls. 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:58.159 And so my brothers were Beatles fans, and they played Beatles every single night. 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:00.559 I knew almost every single word to the Beatles. 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:00.960 Nice. 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:02.879 And that kind of just inspired me. 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:08.799 And for whatever reason, you know, I I did a little radio back in the day with uh with uh Doug Wright a little bit. 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:10.799 Um I worked for the credit union, but I'd come over and talk. 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:12.000 I worked in Alaska at a radio station. 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:14.399 Were you on as host or were you on just as a guest? 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:25.759 So I I just back in the day before the Triad uh tragedy, um I could go into Doug's upstairs and triad, and he'd say something about having a candy bar, and I'd show up at his place and give him candy bars. 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.799 I was on the I kind of did it because I wanted to be in the okay, I like the Doug. 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.919 I like Doug and D, but I wanted to be on the air. 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:32.399 I love that. 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:38.320 I did so I went back up a year later and uh went right back up to Alaska for a year and worked at KGOT radio station. 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:41.440 And it wasn't what I had thought. 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:43.440 It's a little you hear. 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:45.039 I didn't know it was gonna be a little box. 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.240 You know, I kind of wanted to be, I thought I'm low claustrophobic. 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:48.960 This box isn't big. 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:50.720 Talk about a cubicle, like QR. 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:54.720 And back then in 1981 or 82, it was little. 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:55.279 Yeah, yeah. 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:57.519 And so I did that, but I still had that drive. 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:03.360 And then when I went for Cyprus Credit Union, even though I was whatever position I was in, I ended up being vice president. 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:04.960 I was vice president of Cyprus. 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:06.000 Yeah, vice president of Cyprus. 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:07.600 Were you, I mean, did you know the financial world? 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:10.240 Was that just a another happen center? 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:13.039 My dad was a board member at Cyprus Credit Union back in the day. 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.879 Okay, and uh I needed a job back in the day, and I just said, I'll take whatever. 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:21.200 And they hired me as a part-time filer, and then I ended up moving around and that's so cool. 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:22.000 But I didn't know that. 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:23.519 Utah State, and then came back. 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:27.840 And so I really uh fell in love with the credit union field. 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:29.200 It was just a fun thing. 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:30.480 Just they're warm. 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:37.600 When you go into a credit union, yeah, they didn't treat you like a customer, they treat you like you're a member and that you own this thing, and that we were in this together. 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:40.159 So I loved all that about a credit union. 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:42.320 And so that gave me that drive. 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.679 And uh I like I said, I spent my entire career doing credit unions. 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:47.279 But I But before that, you were in radio. 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:48.799 I was one of the that's crazy. 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:59.679 So let me tell you, so I always at the credit union, even though it wasn't my job, I always said, I'm doing the I'm doing the radio spots on uh live spots over at the uh doing a car sale or whatever. 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:05.119 And then I'd just sit there and go, see, they didn't like me to do this because I'd say the rate's 5.9, blah, blah, blah. 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.519 But if you come in right now, I had no permission to say this. 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:08.559 Well, I was vice president. 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:09.359 I thought I can do this. 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:14.160 So I said, if you come in right now, we'll drop it down to 3.9, and we'll let you go 72 months. 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:15.759 Back in the day, you never went past 60. 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:16.000 Yeah. 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:17.440 We'll let you go 72 months. 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:19.440 My boss, Dale,'s going, What are you doing? 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:20.000 Why are you doing it? 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:22.640 I said, Dale, how long does someone keep a loan at the credit unit? 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:24.559 Well, we all know it was 24 months. 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:26.559 I said, So this loan is not gonna stay out. 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:28.240 So we're getting members this way. 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:30.799 They won't keep that rate more

than 24 months. 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:32.400 So we're but they have the option. 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:32.960 But they have the option. 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:33.680 You created that option. 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:34.319 And we've created it. 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:36.240 Yeah, so we just that was my idea. 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:39.680 Love being, I I've on with been on with Ron Byrd, you know Ron. 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:39.920 Yeah. 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:44.880 I've been on with skinny Johnny Mitchell back in the day, uh Chad Stevens. 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.759 I mean, really, I could name a host of people. 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.440 Uh Todd Kelly, who was KRSP, I was on KRSP a few times. 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:59.279 I just and I was like, Well, with your radio uh uh affinity as well as your musical prowess, like may you are you gonna be like a mayor slash DJ on the side? 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.200 Like you should you got the you got a theater here, you should just put on some uh some dances. 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:04.000 There you go. 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:04.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:09.759 So so then um so when you get back to the I ran for council, loved it. 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:16.640 Really, it was it it it I'll tell you why I love the council because it gave me something to do when I was sick, and you know that. 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:20.000 When you're sick, for me, I needed to be doing something. 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:23.920 Now I understand when you're at a certain point you can't do anything, that's then that's life. 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:26.960 But I got to a point where I'm going, okay, I feel like I can do stuff. 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:27.279 Yeah. 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:37.039 So when the the council was like twice a month, but you have little committees you're on, and so it's a little bit more, and bet little by little I got better and better with all the new medicines, the cannabis. 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:44.640 And all of a sudden one day I thought someone had said, Would you ever run for you know, you have a lot of people who say, Oh, people have been asking me if I'm gonna be mayor. 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.720 You know, I had one, one out of everybody, out of 50,000 citizens here. 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:55.519 But I said, Oh, maybe I went home to I got had gone home to Cindy and said, What if I ran for mayor? 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:57.599 And she was like, Oh yeah, you're not doing that. 00:18:57.839 --> 00:18:59.119 I was gonna ask you, what is Cindy? 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.319 My caretaker, my caretaker was going, no way. 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:04.480 So I I'll just be blunt with you. 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.200 I says, Well, I've prayed about it. 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:10.400 And she said, Well, let me do the same. 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:12.559 A couple weeks later, she was I think you should run. 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:12.960 Wow. 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.279 And so that didn't

mean you're gonna win. 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:16.960 Yeah, that just means you're in for the experience. 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:18.319 Tackle, try it. 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:18.799 Try that. 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:22.559 So we did, and we won big time the first time. 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:23.519 And it was kind of fun. 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:25.759 I don't say that off often, but I'm gonna say that today. 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:26.640 We won big time. 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:26.880 Okay. 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:29.759 And then the second time, we won bigger. 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:31.200 So you're in your second term. 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:34.799 So we're in we're in the second term, just about nine months, eight months into the second term. 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:36.000 And are you loving it? 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:39.519 What's the biggest surprise to you sitting in that chair now? 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:42.960 Well, the biggest surprise is that you no longer have a team. 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:47.680 You have a team, you have your department heads, and then I'm a full-time mayor, so we don't have a city manager. 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:53.759 So if you're a part-time mayor, which is most cities, yeah, they're part you got a city manager, they run the city. 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:57.039 They hire, fire, the mayor has no say over them. 00:19:57.200 --> 00:19:57.359 Yeah. 00:19:57.440 --> 00:19:59.359 Um doing a lot of the operations, yeah. 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:05.039 Now, but here, me, we I do all the firing, hiring, everything, everything. 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:08.640 But I have a guy that uh I have a like a city manager that helps me, Kim. 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:10.079 But I love that part about it. 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:15.359 I get to know because I'm the one that appoints these these uh department heads. 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:16.160 I get to know them. 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:21.920 I spent yet last night, I was here till 12:30, and I went on police runs with the police officers. 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:22.480 Sweet. 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:24.400 I just wanted to see what they were going through. 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:25.680 I sat and talked to them. 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:28.480 At first, you could tell they're a little bit like, what are you doing here? 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:29.279 What are you checking? 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:30.079 What's going on here? 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:31.440 Why are you here at 9 30 at night? 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:32.160 What's something going on? 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:33.200 Yeah, are we in trouble? 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:34.640 I said, I wanted to hang out with you. 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:35.440 I just want to hang out. 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:38.480 So I hung out with them, talked for a while, and then we went on. 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:47.599 I got home about 12 30, and and we didn't have a lot of action, but it's kind of fun because you know, Murray City, we don't have I don't know if I should tell everyone this, but we don't do quotas. 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:48.319 We don't do that. 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:52.480 I said, I don't want our officers, and my chief uh our has never won quotas. 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:53.279 We don't do quotas. 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.160 We just let me just tell you, we're I'm so glad you did say that. 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:57.920 We're not we're not out to get you. 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:02.079 We're out there to remind you that yeah, this is so that's my goal. 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:03.839 I said, we're not gonna make money off quotas. 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:04.640 That's not our thing. 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:06.079 So we don't do that. 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:07.279 We don't do that here. 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.559 My favorite part of this job are the employees. 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:13.359 I love working with the employees. 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:15.200 I love standing behind them. 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:19.279 Yeah, I love supporting them, and that's what drives me. 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:23.359 The citizens drive me, the employees, we got stakeholders, but really the employees are. 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:24.720 It's a labor of love, right? 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:25.839 It is a labor of love. 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:26.559 Yeah, I love it. 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:32.079 Sometimes a thankless position, but when you're together like that, you can you know support each other in the good fight. 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:43.279 You know, I remember a gentleman that came in, uh, it was right at the end of my uh term, this last term, and uh it was about 85 years old, and he was livid with me about some parking here. 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:45.359 And he just went on and on. 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:52.799 And I've I've come to realize that they're not really mad at me, they're mad at and some might be, but st he wasn't mad at me, he was mad about the situation. 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:55.200 Trying to get it fixed and not sure how to do it. 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:57.359 And you know what, you can choose to be offended. 00:21:57.519 --> 00:21:59.440 I I'm I'm not offended, I don't get offended. 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:01.200 It's just It's silly to get offended. 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:03.519 So, and it makes everything worse when you get offended. 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:06.160 And so I just sat and listened, and it was kind of mean. 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.240 And uh, but then I hear him talk to me. 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:10.720 He goes, I don't like the parking at Allegiance Stadium. 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:11.839 Oh, guess what? 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:13.759 I don't have anything to do with Allegiant Stadium. 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:18.559 Then I'm realizing he really is just somebody who uh is mad. 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:23.279 And I found out he lost his wife during the pandemic, he had some other issues, and guess what? 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:24.799 We became best friends. 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:28.000 We don't

agree on everything, but we're really good friends now. 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:33.440 And I said, That's my goal is when you walk out of my office, we may not agree, but we're gonna be friends. 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:34.640 And you can have a conversation. 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:34.880 Absolutely. 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:39.039 And it can be a hard conversation, but it'll but let's let's have that conversation. 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:41.200 Let's go back and forth and let's hear each other's ideas. 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:44.880 And you've you've always been that way, just an open book and sincere. 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:47.119 Speak from the heart, sometimes shoot from the hip. 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:50.640 But but but you're sincere and genuine about it. 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:52.079 The this city, are you? 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.319 I mean, you it I can tell you love what you do and you love where you live. 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:02.400 What is it about this town, this Murray city that that you absolutely just adore? 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:08.400 And and along with that, do you have a favorite place in the city that maybe we don't know about? 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:09.759 You'd like to like to tell us? 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:10.640 I'll I'll tell you. 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:12.960 The reason Murray, it's the community. 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:15.519 The community comes together, they love each other. 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:19.440 Like I said, there are things we don't agree on, maybe, but we respect each other. 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:21.440 On the on the whole, we respect each other. 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:29.359 We we are uh kind to each other, we listen to each other's ideas, and so it's the community that I have loved about Murray. 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:36.720 It and my favorite spot, well, I have a few because I've got the so during our first term, we were able to get this done, the theater. 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:38.720 Uh huh and we got this theater's cool. 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:39.359 Isn't this cool? 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:39.519 Yeah. 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:40.400 So this theater is cool. 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:41.759 We had Lauren Allred open it up. 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:44.640 Harriet coming in November, she's from Second time back, yeah. 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:50.960 Second time back, and she sells out fast, and you know I mean, and so we're we're pretty successful in what we've done. 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:51.519 And you know what? 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:56.960 It's not we're not success successful because of me, we're successful because uh we've got people who are good. 00:23:57.279 --> 00:24:00.000 And so I don't micromanage, I've never micromanaged. 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:01.839 I won't let a department head micromanage. 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:03.759 I said, you let your people run their own thing. 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:05.680 Yeah, and you when you do that, guess what? 00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:08.640 These people are good and they can show you what they can do if we allow it. 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:10.400 And so we've allowed them to do that. 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:18.960 Uh we've had the armory, which is an indoor uh indoor outdoor the uh event center, which was um an old armory building with just storage in it. 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:20.160 Okay, and we've turned that in. 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:21.119 That was Cindy's idea. 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:23.279 She said, Why don't we have an indoor outdoor event center? 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:24.400 I said, Well, where are we gonna do it? 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:26.000 Found a place, they did plans. 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:28.240 I don't read plans that well, took a moment to Cindy. 00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:28.640 What do you think? 00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:29.839 The real mayor, Cindy Hell. 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:30.960 So I said, What do you think? 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:32.880 And she goes, That's what I'm thinking about. 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:35.599 We've had that open for a little over a year. 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:39.200 I think we've brought now, remember, cities don't make a lot of money. 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:45.359 We have brought over, I think, close to what$200,000 we've made on this, and we don't charge a lot to use it. 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:47.440 Just it's booked constantly. 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:51.839 It's over by the park, and you can have indoor or you can be outside, and it's just a beautiful. 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:57.279 Cities aren't always used to running businesses and having successful businesses and actually being I'm proud of that. 00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:58.160 We're not in the hall on that. 00:24:58.240 --> 00:24:58.400 Yes. 00:24:58.480 --> 00:24:59.920 And so that's being the black for that. 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:00.480 That's amazing. 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:01.279 It is good. 00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:04.079 And then we uh redid our mansion over by uh the city hall. 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:06.799 It was the wedding chapel and uh Murray Chapel. 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:07.920 I don't I can't remember what they call it. 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:10.319 But anyway, we turned that into a mansion, that's going great. 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:10.799 Cool. 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:14.000 And so we've been able to accomplish and we've got some new projects coming along. 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:16.799 My favorite place probably though is Murray Park. 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:18.480 Hanging around Murray Park. 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:19.680 It is cool, and it's huge. 00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.079 You've been there just recreationally. 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:24.559 I think even back in the day, you've done concerts in the park there. 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:25.519 Yeah, you have, yeah. 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:27.039 It's huge, and people are walking. 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:27.920 I love just talking. 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.039 No one knows that I'm the mayor. 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:30.559 I just walk around going,

How are you guys in? 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:31.680 You where are you from? 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:32.640 And blah, blah, blah. 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:34.079 And you know, very little. 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:36.799 I they'll say, Oh, no, what do you do for mayor or for Murray? 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:42.240 And I say, I'm in the administration, and finally, you know, I just never want to come across like I'm the mayor. 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:43.680 So I don't say it. 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.400 You just walk around with one of those ribbons around your chest. 00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:47.599 Mayor Hales. 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:49.039 You should put it on your license, please. 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:50.640 I hardly ever, I just say I'm Brett Hills. 00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:51.519 I work for Murray City. 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:57.440 But the pe the people in the park, and that's why the park's good for me, because I can relax and walk around and meet a lot of people. 00:25:57.519 --> 00:25:58.319 So I love the park. 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:05.200 And our rent, our our staple restaurants uh that have been here forever, their mom pa shops are just they're phenomenal. 00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:09.039 And and everyone loves going to a restaurant in Murray. 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:15.759 So well, you you are a people's person, you love to see people shine and and and do well in in their space. 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:20.079 I can tell that you just you love what you do, and it's it's cool to see that support behind you. 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:22.720 What what what legacy as we kind of wrap this up? 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.039 Uh I mean, this is a cool little dive into meet the mayor. 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:26.079 I love that you're doing this, by the way. 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:26.799 Awesome, thank you. 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:27.759 This is really cool. 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:30.400 Um, and and it'll be fun to watch going forward. 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:39.839 But but the legacy you hope to leave, I know that's that's a long time down the road, but what do you hope people say about you after after you do leave office at some point in your life? 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:44.559 You know, I could care less what people say as far as what we did, projects-wise, whatever. 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:51.200 Just like in life, I want them to say he was honest in what he did and he did the best what he felt for the city. 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:52.640 But honestly, that's all I feel. 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:59.599 That if I can leave here having people know, of course, you're not you've got your naysayers everywhere, but you know what? 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:02.400 We just push that aside and keep doing what we're doing. 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:13.119 And if I can leave the legacy that I was an honest person and that I did what was best for the city, and I loved Murray City, that's that's the legacy I'd like to leave. 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:19.359 I don't care what else we've done, just just that they felt that I did what I could do for the city and it was good. 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:21.119 I think I'm gonna have to move to Murray. 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:22.720 We we want you in Murray. 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:23.920 We'd love to have you in Murray. 00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:26.960 You know, like I think it was a girl that's put a good word in with Cindy. 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:27.599 Maybe she'll let me. 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:28.079 That's right. 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:28.400 That's right. 00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:29.920 No, this is so cool to sit down with you. 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:30.720 It's always great. 00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:32.640 I mean, we've been buddies again a long time. 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:40.480 Sometimes we go long periods of time without talking, uh it and then you get on the phone, and in split second, it's go to lunch for a little bit. 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.720 And I I've seen that for as a fly in the wall with you and so many other people as well. 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:45.759 So kudos to you. 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:46.240 Thanks. 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.359 Thanks for being that that genuine article, the open book. 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.720 And however I can support you and the people of Murray here, I I'm all about it. 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:53.839 Well, thanks for coming in. 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:54.880 I appreciate you doing this. 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:55.440 You're awesome. 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:56.319 This is our green room. 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:57.279 We're down here in the green room. 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:00.960 It's great theater, and uh and uh I mean, David's used to being in the green room too. 00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:03.359 I didn't have the green MMs or any of my writer stuff. 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:04.720 I mean, but I won't hold that against you. 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:06.720 But next time you come, we'll get those green MMs. 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:07.279 So easy. 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:09.279 Anyway, but just thanks for coming on and doing that. 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:13.680 That we I know you're busy, so for you to take the time to do this, you're my pleasure, absolutely. 00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:21.359 And for the last little wrap-up, what's the final message that you want those constituents or whoever is watching right now to know about you? 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:29.359 I would say uh that just kind of like what I said with my legacy, that I'm doing what I can for the city. 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:32.559 I love doing what I do for the city, and I'm an open book. 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:33.599 Come in and talk to me. 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:35.599 I was gonna say, how can people get a hold of me? 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:37.039 My door is always open. 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:40.000 I wish I had more people knocking on that door. 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:46.960 Uh you'll you'll see little things on some other websites or whatever, and I'm going, well, come in and talk to

me. 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:48.079 My door's always open. 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:49.119 I would love to talk to you. 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:53.519 Because when you're one-on-one, it's a different story than than a social media. 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:53.759 Yeah. 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:54.559 It's totally different. 00:28:54.640 --> 00:29:03.599 Because you'll you'll say whatever you want on social media, but you get face to face, all of a sudden you react different, you talk differently, you you respect each other a little bit more. 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:05.680 And so that's what I would love to say. 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:06.480 Come on over. 00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:13.359 All you have to do is you you call Kathy, she's our administrative assistant, 801-264-2600. 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:14.319 Let me do that again. 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.079 801-264-2600. 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:16.799 First caller in. 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.039 You oh you are in radio. 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:20.960 I wanted to give a price away so bad. 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:21.279 Oh, yeah. 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:22.160 I wanted to give a price. 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:26.240 Anyway, call and Kathy set that up, and we would love to have you come in. 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:31.359 Like I said, we may not agree, but we will definitely leave as friends. 00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:31.680 Yeah. 00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:34.880 And so that come in is that what that would be my biggest message. 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:35.359 Come in. 00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:37.200 I've got another about three and a half years left. 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:39.519 Who knows if I'll run another another time? 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:41.279 I'll be an old man by the time that I'm through here. 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.000 You're gonna leave it all on the dance floor, I guarantee. 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:45.440 You're putting your heart and soul into it. 00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:53.759 I I do believe, and I've seen this a lot in in my world of not just being in television and the music and in the corporate world as well as I run different companies. 00:29:53.920 --> 00:30:05.119 It feels like, especially with the influx of the uh the artificial intelligence, the AI stuff that's out there, we're going back or reverting back to a 1950s mentality that it is about the human connection. 00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:10.480 It is it is valued more a handshake, a hug, just even a conversation. 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:14.480 Because when you're on the digital side, sometimes you don't know who you're talking to as much anymore. 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:20.640 So I love the invitation to come, knock on the door, have a have a verbal conversation, an eye-to-eye connection. 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:22.640 It it'll it does make all of the difference. 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:24.319 And I think that's why this is important too. 00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:25.440 So I hats off to you. 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:26.640 So thanks for being here, David. 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:27.039 I appreciate it. 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:27.759 Yeah, this is cool. 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:28.160 Awesome. 00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:29.359 And thank you guys for watching. 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:31.039 Meet the mayor, the first ever. 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:33.200 Mayor Brett Hells is such a cool dude. 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:35.200 So yeah, go give him a hard time for me, will you? 00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:36.000 Will you Murray? 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:36.480 Please. 00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:37.519 Yes, for sure. 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:39.839 We'll watch, we'll watch for you out there with the police as well. 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:40.559 Oh, there you go. 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:41.599 You'll be doing the rounds. 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:42.480 Yep, I'll be right back. 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:43.279 Keeping it safe here. 00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:44.079 So kudos to you. 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:45.920 Thanks again, and thanks for watching, everybody. 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:47.039 Thank you.