Full Transcript for Marci video profile 2017

community, is really a very challenging... but I'll let you guys talk about that later and share your own thoughts on how demanding it can actually get. 00:05:32.731 --> 00:05:44.096 They don't have microphones on, so that is why they aren't saying anything right now. Otherwise, I am absolutely sure they would be more than happy to join in and share their own perspectives on this. 00:05:44.096 --> 00:05:55.415 So, I mean, it is exhausting in many ways. That's why we started a movement and not a party, because we didn't want to slice up the opposition landscape any further, which would only make things worse. 00:05:55.415 --> 00:06:08.355 Instead, we saw that what was needed here was for some kind of cooperation to finally begin. It's not that these actors are individually foolish or incompetent, they are just forced into tight positions. 00:06:08.355 --> 00:06:20.132 They are stuck in a position where it is very hard to make a move toward the others. But if a new player comes along, one who is fundamentally not focused on power, it helps them commit to such a step. 00:06:20.132 --> 00:06:30.747 Alright, your phone is ringing, so go ahead and answer it! We can easily wait a moment while you take care of that call, so please don't worry about us at all and just go ahead with it now. 00:06:30.747 --> 00:06:43.774 My dog is finally here. I'll just go and bring Mokka up quickly, okay? He must be waiting downstairs, and I think you will absolutely love meeting him once he gets up here with us. 00:06:43.774 --> 00:06:55.039 We'll wait for Mokka, and I'll just drink my coffee in the meantime. You know, I always feel like using the clapperboard or doing a quick clap to mark the scene whenever we have a little pause like this. 00:06:55.039 --> 00:06:59.158 Hey there, Moki! Come here, boy! 00:06:59.158 --> 00:07:16.517 Well, hello there! Don't jump! Imagine, we already got some treats! Haha! From now on, you can forget about speaking. The real main character has finally arrived. Good morning to everyone here today, guys! 00:07:16.517 --> 00:07:25.457 There was absolutely nothing they were looking forward to more than seeing you guys. They have been waiting by the door all morning just hoping to catch a quick glimpse of you. 00:07:25.457 --> 00:07:34.298 I can definitely imagine that. Yes, I think that is absolutely true, and it really shows in the way they reacted to us. 00:07:34.298 --> 00:07:45.115 Even during Christmas, our Lord Jesus Christ is not awaited under the tree with such immense joy and anticipation as you all are by the people who have been waiting so eagerly in this room here today. 00:07:45.115 --> 00:07:57.276 When you actually went ahead and set up this office and built this community, what was the primary consideration, or rather, what was the main goal you had in mind besides just having a place to gather? 00:07:57.276 --> 00:08:09.523 Simply to fit. We just needed a space where everyone could fit and work together without being crammed,

as our numbers were growing so quickly and we desperately needed a proper, functional place to run things. 00:08:09.523 --> 00:08:25.012 Okay, I see. That makes perfect sense given the circumstances, but still, it must have been a huge challenge to coordinate everything and bring people together to build this kind of collaborative environment. 00:08:25.012 --> 00:08:38.133 Practically everything you see here was created through community effort. Specifically, someone would say, 'Hey, I have two tables, okay, great, we will bring them,' or 'Hey, I have an unused office cabinet.' 00:08:38.133 --> 00:08:51.222 So we just brought it over. By the way, if you are wondering where the people here actually get their salaries from, the answer is simple: most of those you see here are doing completely voluntary work. 00:08:51.222 --> 00:09:03.756 That is usually the case nowadays, especially when we are not just talking about the minor political parties, which often have to rely on this exact kind of grassroots enthusiasm and dedication to survive. 00:09:03.756 --> 00:09:21.069 I do not get paid a single cent for working here either. It is completely voluntary for me as well, as I am fully committed to this cause and willing to put in the time and effort without any regular salary. 00:09:21.069 --> 00:09:32.622 That is actually why I was wondering, and quite surprised to be honest, how you manage to make a living and support yourself financially while dedicating so much of your time to this massive project every day. 00:09:32.622 --> 00:09:47.335 I wonder about that myself sometimes. But no, it is good that I do not get paid for this. No, no, but we can gladly talk about this as well later on, of course. When I started thinking about this in the long run... 00:09:47.335 --> 00:09:59.657 ...I assessed what kind of savings I have and what I can do. I can say that for now, I believe I can manage probably until the end of December. So I am living off the money that I managed to save up earlier. 00:09:59.657 --> 00:10:13.482 However, the period starting from January is questionable, because by then I really must start working in a way that actually pays. Working itself is not a problem for me even now, it is just that I get no money. 00:10:13.482 --> 00:10:25.751 So it would be really good by then to also do some work for which I can actually earn a decent amount of money, as my savings will not last forever and I need to support myself and my family in the coming year. 00:10:25.751 --> 00:10:35.852 That is true, but the real challenge and the big march starts in January anyway, so you will need to find a way to balance your financial needs with the intense demands of the campaign that lies ahead. 00:10:35.852 --> 00:10:50.353 Yes, absolutely. We can only put this entire project together through crowdfunding as well. So I would say that our dear voters are donating generously to support our cause because they believe in what we do. 00:10:50.353 --> 00:11:03.442

You are taking advantage of every single forum, platform, and opportunity available to you to get your message out to the public, which is absolutely crucial for a movement of this scale to succeed. 00:11:03.442 --> 00:11:12.570 Exactly, why else would I agree to have two cameras follow me around all day long, if not to promote the very goals and values that our movement is fighting so hard to achieve for the citizens of this country? 00:11:12.570 --> 00:11:26.636 And promote yourself a little bit as well while you are at it. Just like that. Alright, it is a deal then, we have agreed. I am going to go and grab my gear now, okay? I will be back in just a second. 00:11:26.636 --> 00:11:38.926 Just give me half a minute. The ruling majority in the committee was not even willing to allow a substantive debate on our proposal. But that is exactly why we are here today, because we are not giving up our fight. 00:11:38.926 --> 00:11:50.298 We are going to push this process forward, and today is all about showing how this is going to look. Sorry, but I have to step away for about ten minutes now to give an interview to Klubrádió, as they requested. 00:11:50.298 --> 00:12:01.253 They asked me to guide the audience through the venue and explain what is happening. Did they really use the word 'guide' though? That sounds a bit too formal, but I will do my best to show them around. 00:12:01.253 --> 00:12:14.377 Well, what is that, some familiar term from Chicago? Everyone here has really found their place, even though it is raining heavily outside. He mentioned doing a guided tour of the venue for the people here. 00:12:14.377 --> 00:12:29.908 Right in front of us, sorry about that. But this is just how the media works. Tell me, are there ever moments when you would gladly cover your face, your head, and absolutely everything to get away from it all? 00:12:29.908 --> 00:12:31.545 No. 00:12:31.545 --> 00:12:34.234 Do they recognize you on the street? 00:12:34.234 --> 00:12:36.272 People? 00:12:36.272 --> 00:12:37.755 Does it happen? 00:12:37.755 --> 00:12:47.729 Oh, by the way, that's the funniest thing, let me tell you, you're going to love this: they regularly, and I mean regularly, mistake me for András, András Fekete-Győr. 00:12:47.729 --> 00:12:49.671 Yes, yes. 00:12:49.671 --> 00:13:00.574 They come up to me saying, 'Go Momentum, keep it up!' It's funny because I spent twenty years living in this neighborhood, to the extent that nursery, kindergarten, and elementary school were all right here. 00:13:00.574 --> 00:13:04.287 By the way, do you also notice the positive things here on the street? 00:13:04.287 --> 00:13:16.811 I really love this street. As a private person in my personal life, I can say that I am fundamentally incredibly happy, living in a completely harmonious and deeply loving relationship with the love of my life. 00:13:16.811 --> 00:13:32.406 There is no activity of mine that would be suitable for television, because honestly, I prefer to

stay at home, which paints a very snobbish picture of me, but it is the truth: I just lie on the couch and read. 00:13:32.406 --> 00:13:47.279 And maybe I occasionally go out to the theater or to concerts nearby, because fundamentally, I really am just an upper-middle-class bourgeois kid who was socialized into this exact kind of lifestyle. 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:59.872 In high school, with absolute self-awareness, I walked around town with all kinds of books under my arm that I couldn't even read, let alone understand, wearing huge headphones blasting Kocsis in my ears. 00:13:59.872 --> 00:14:10.344 I would walk around town trying to figure out which record I had just checked out from the complete Bartók collection. But then, you keep your private life a secret, and you hide your parents, too. 00:14:10.344 --> 00:14:12.339 Why is that? 00:14:12.339 --> 00:14:19.156 I am not hiding them, I just do not talk about them; it is really as simple as that. 00:14:19.156 --> 00:14:27.777 But why not? Why can't we show them to the audience? Why is it not possible for anyone to sit down and have a conversation with them? 00:14:27.777 --> 00:14:40.849 You can absolutely talk to them, but why is a camera necessary? I can take you over to meet my partner or my parents anytime. You can sit down with them. Really, do you walk around like this at home too? 00:14:40.849 --> 00:14:42.279 Absolutely. 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:49.235 It must be really interesting, or perhaps quite a challenge, to share a household with you. Don't you think? 00:14:49.235 --> 00:14:51.426 You can find out right away. 00:14:51.426 --> 00:14:54.712 Because we do not even live in the same household. 00:14:54.712 --> 00:14:57.305 So, why can't we show them on camera? 00:14:57.305 --> 00:15:07.652 Because it's partly their decision, which I respect, and partly because I believe that next to my work, they wouldn't thrive on their own terms, but only in relation to me, even though they are independent individuals. 00:15:07.652 --> 00:15:09.351 I think that is just an excuse. 00:15:09.351 --> 00:15:11.805 Maybe, but it is the truth. 00:15:11.805 --> 00:15:16.446 Or I will never clap again because you say I am taking away the privilege. 00:15:16.446 --> 00:15:20.479 Two, one... Is this such a cool thing? 00:15:20.479 --> 00:15:24.875 To clap? Is it really that good? 00:15:24.875 --> 00:15:39.757 Or maybe this kind of theater? Honestly, we really should have brought a clapperboard for this session. So, tell me, which one is it going to be for you: filmmaking or is it going to be theater? 00:15:39.757 --> 00:15:54.692 For me, it is definitely film. There is absolutely no question about that, because film is my primary passion, though making a final choice between the two is still a very complicated decision. 00:15:54.692 --> 00:16:08.369 Film, you say? That is interesting. You chose film, yet your entire academic path and recent career choices seem to have leaned heavily towards theater, which is quite a fascinating contradiction. 00:16:08.369 --> 00:16:17.778 It is hard, incredibly hard, hard, hard. Because in theater there is so much that attracts and interests me, but let's say the thing that actually attracts me the most, which is opera, is not an option. 00:16:17.778 --> 00:16:27.613 If you are so distant from theater and so passionate about film, then why did you attend the University of Theatre and Film Arts but then choose to orient yourself so heavily towards theater there? 00:16:27.613 --> 00:16:42.228 Yes, that is true, but I was actually accepted into the theater major first. That was the department where they accepted me, and that is how my journey there officially began in the very beginning. 00:16:42.228 --> 00:16:54.987 You only stayed for four months, but they admitted you for five years. Was it really that radicalism, which they said emanated from you, that ultimately made you feel like you did not belong there? 00:16:54.987 --> 00:17:07.121 Look, I really do not want to put down the university at all. I would find it completely false and highly unfair if anyone got the impression that I left simply because of some misunderstood genius. 00:17:07.121 --> 00:17:19.811 No, it was just that I had a very different concept of theater, and my teachers had a very different concept too. We thought about the actual training and education in fundamentally different ways. 00:17:19.811 --> 00:17:33.914 If we go back a bit, we already talked about kindergarten, where you were already protesting. But if we look at your school years, I read that you actually organized a protest against the high school principal. 00:17:33.914 --> 00:17:47.931 So how exactly did the principal manage to provoke this kind of reaction from you? What did he do that made the students feel they had no other choice but to organize a protest against his authority? 00:17:47.931 --> 00:18:01.852 That was very interesting, because there was a principal election where both the teaching staff and the student body wanted a new principal who had submitted a very energetic and high-quality application. 00:18:01.852 --> 00:18:13.088 But the local government board, which acted as the school operator back then before the centralized system, refused to appoint him. Because the authorities completely ignored the clear will of our community... 00:18:13.088 --> 00:18:26.679 ...we decided to organize a protest to stand up for the candidate we had chosen. It was a direct response to the authorities showing absolute disregard for what the teachers and students actually wanted. 00:18:26.679 --> 00:18:40.506 It seems like any system people try to place you in simply does not work for you. The only system that actually functions properly for you is the one that you build and establish entirely by yourself. 00:18:40.506 --> 00:18:54.982 I do not think that is actually true, but it is certainly an interesting critique of my character and how I operate. I do not necessarily reject every

system, but I do challenge unfair authority. 00:18:54.982 --> 00:19:09.639 From what I have observed of your debates, I must say I have seen very few professional politicians argue as effectively as you do. Oh, now comes the praise, and you have to sit there and be complimented. 00:19:09.639 --> 00:19:26.568 Can they not edit this part out? But seriously, there are truly very few people in public life who possess that level of debating skill and can present their arguments with such clarity and conviction. 00:19:26.568 --> 00:19:40.212 No, I think this is more about the state of Hungarian debate culture. Or rather, I would say this situation highlights the absolute underdevelopment of public discourse and debate in our country right now. 00:19:40.212 --> 00:19:52.373 The debate skills I have would be considered completely standard in a university debate club at almost any college in England. In our domestic politics, unfortunately, these skills carry very little weight. 00:19:52.373 --> 00:20:05.366 So you are saying this is entirely missing from Hungarian political life? That we lack a basic framework for constructive arguments and intellectual dialogue between opposing sides in the public arena? 00:20:05.366 --> 00:20:17.784 Yes, exactly. It is an underdeveloped, deeply entrenched lack of culture. It is a systematic failure where loud shouting and personal attacks have completely replaced actual reasoning and substance. 00:20:17.784 --> 00:20:30.585 I get the strong impression that you harbor a bit of resentment towards the Hungarian Academy of Arts. There seems to be a very deep-seated frustration whenever that particular institution is mentioned. 00:20:30.585 --> 00:20:42.832 I look at the entire cultural institutional system and its leadership with nothing but the deepest, most profound contempt. The way they manage the arts in this country is utterly disappointing to me. 00:20:42.832 --> 00:20:54.720 But don't you ever discuss this with your father or ask him about his perspective? After all, he is a prominent figure, so I imagine these conversations must lead to some very intense family debates. 00:20:54.720 --> 00:21:07.831 Oh, we definitely argue about this. We debate it quite often, actually. It is a recurring topic of discussion at home, and we definitely do not see eye to eye on how these institutions are being run. 00:21:07.831 --> 00:21:21.198 Well, that is precisely why I mentioned it. For the benefit of our listeners, let us make it clear that your father is actually a member of the Hungarian Academy of Arts, which complicates things. 00:21:21.198 --> 00:21:32.559 Yes, my father is indeed a full, regular member of the Academy of Arts. That is precisely why we have these constant debates, as we represent completely opposite sides of this ongoing cultural division. 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:43.963 And how is it even possible to debate under such circumstances? I mean, you seem to have almost murderous thoughts towards the key figures who are running these institutions, so how do you manage? 00:21:43.963 --> 00:21:58.333 I do not have murderous thoughts at all, absolutely not. That is not what it is about. Rather, what I carry inside me is a deep, burning anger and resentment towards the way the whole system works. 00:21:58.333 --> 00:22:11.369 I completely understand. I just want to make sure our audience gets the right impression and does not misinterpret the intensity of your passion or the strength of the words you are using here today. 00:22:11.369 --> 00:22:24.725 For instance, I have never once thought that someone like György Fekete should actually be killed. My opposition is entirely intellectual and political, not personal or violent in any way shape or form. 00:22:24.725 --> 00:22:38.412 Of course, let us make sure nobody misunderstands this. We are talking about institutional and ideological clashes, not any kind of personal violence or actual threats against these public figures. 00:22:38.412 --> 00:22:49.261 He only knows what is going to happen, how the 888 is going to cut this out, and they will claim he has some newly discovered, murderous thoughts about the MMA. That is exactly how they always operate. 00:22:49.261 --> 00:23:02.103 Oh my goodness, please do not be so incredibly afraid of them! There is absolutely no reason for you to worry so much about what they might do or say next, so just try to stay calm and focus on this. 00:23:02.103 --> 00:23:16.615 I am not afraid, I am just being conscious. That is right, so let them attack me for anything they can find. But serving myself on a silver platter to the enemy, that seems like a pretty stupid trait or attitude. 00:23:16.615 --> 00:23:28.788 But returning to the MMA, I absolutely understood how the MMA looks from the perspective of its members. They are the ones who were the big losers of the political regime change back in the nineties. 00:23:28.788 --> 00:23:40.479 At that time, the entire system of cultural funding collapsed, venues closed down, and practically when they were at the absolute zenith of their artistic careers, they should have created great works. 00:23:40.479 --> 00:23:53.280 They wanted to make great films, organize major exhibitions, and so on, but this could not happen because there was no institutional background. So now they basically feel that the time has finally come. 00:23:53.280 --> 00:24:03.531 They feel they can finally receive some well-deserved compensation for all those past hardships and sufferings they had to endure throughout those difficult years when they were left completely alone. 00:24:03.531 --> 00:24:15.180 So they are basically going to collect that debt now, demanding everything they feel they are owed by society and the system, regardless of the consequences it might have on others today, right? 00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:27.651 And they will collect it. They will collect it even at the cost of doing the exact same thing to the younger generation that was

previously done to them. It is like a counter-cultural revolution they are running. 00:24:27.651 --> 00:24:39.524 They do not care about what kind of impact they are having on the entire scene. They are simply saying that our time has finally come, and nothing else matters to them at this point in their lives. 00:24:39.524 --> 00:24:53.958 Yeah? Exactly! I would definitely think that, yes, if you were not able to perform or appear in the spotlight anymore, you would probably experience some really severe withdrawal symptoms from that. 00:24:53.958 --> 00:25:08.147 Oh, no, not at all! Why would you even think that? But then again, maybe there is a small part of me that thrives on the attention, though I honestly do not believe that is the main driver here. 00:25:08.147 --> 00:25:22.346 No, I am quite serious about this. I feel like anyone who has been in the public eye for as long as you have would inevitably suffer if they were suddenly cut off from all that attention and media. 00:25:22.346 --> 00:25:34.153 Is that really what you think of me? Honestly, I do not feel that way at all. I have always believed that I could walk away from all of this tomorrow and be perfectly content with a quiet, normal life. 00:25:34.153 --> 00:25:48.810 Okay, but you are acting like that now, but deep down we both know you cannot live without cameras or being on television. It has become such a central part of your daily life and identity over time. 00:25:48.810 --> 00:26:01.430 Wait, that is different. I have a strong urge to fight for what I believe in, and I love talking about these issues, but I created this platform for myself, so I do not have a constant need for that. 00:26:01.430 --> 00:26:13.026 To have crews filming with you all the time. You seem to enjoy the process of being documented and having people follow you around with cameras, capturing your every move and statement for the public. 00:26:13.026 --> 00:26:25.283 I do not get anxious if the camera crew does not show up next week to film with me. I will not feel like I have to bite my pillow in frustration just to feel like a real human being who is being valued. 00:26:25.283 --> 00:26:37.253 But wait a second! No, that is not what I mean at all. You are exaggerating my point to make it sound ridiculous, but you know very well that there is some truth to what I am trying to say here, right? 00:26:37.253 --> 00:26:47.670 Anyway, the point is that so many people were actually waiting for you to enter the political arena, but in a very real way, meaning they wanted to see you running as an actual politician. Isn't that so? 00:26:47.670 --> 00:27:00.983 Yes, I know that. I am fully aware that there were high expectations from a lot of supporters who wanted me to take that step and officially join a political party to fight from within the system. 00:27:00.983 --> 00:27:13.134 Don't you feel that you might have disappointed both them and yourself by choosing not to take that path? It seemed like a natural progression for you, and many felt let down when you decided against it. 00:27:13.134 --> 00:27:24.185 I do not know who exactly I might have disappointed with my decision, but I believe that I have been extremely consistent and transparent in my communication regarding this matter from the very beginning. 00:27:24.185 --> 00:27:35.600 We should stop our conversation here for a brief moment, because our tram is arriving, and we need to get on now. Let us quickly grab our things and step inside so we do not miss this ride into town. 00:27:35.600 --> 00:27:46.492 Yes, let's get on this one, because it goes directly towards the city center, and that is where we need to head next. It is much faster and more convenient than waiting for the next bus to come along. 00:27:46.492 --> 00:28:00.561 I think it is very clear to everyone who has been paying attention to your career that you have a unique approach, and there is a very specific reason why you decided to stay away from active party politics. 00:28:00.561 --> 00:28:10.207 What I can achieve outside of the party political arena is something I could never accomplish within the party political sphere in Hungary today. It is simply not possible to do that kind of work anymore. 00:28:10.207 --> 00:28:22.688 So, unfortunately, that is just not something that can be done in the current political climate here. It is a sad reality we must face, but staying independent gives me much more freedom to speak the truth. 00:28:22.688 --> 00:28:43.546 It is so interesting because Péter Juhász actually said the exact opposite, claiming that as an activist he could no longer achieve anything more, and that is why he felt forced to enter professional politics. 00:28:43.546 --> 00:28:56.357 And I believe that was a highly responsible decision on his part, and we do not appreciate enough those brave individuals who make such choices and are willing to bear all the heavy consequences that follow. 00:28:56.357 --> 00:29:13.044 So whether it's Péter Juhász or Gergely Karácsony. You could pretty much pair them up with Bernadett Szél, Ákos Hadházy, and so on. But despite this, I see that—I mean, let's name a single person, excluding Árpád Göncz... 00:29:13.044 --> 00:29:26.705 Since he doesn't count here, rest his soul. Name just one person in Hungarian politics since the change of regime who got in and actually finished the task they went there to do. Is this what we're aiming for? Alright. 00:29:26.705 --> 00:29:39.653 Okay, hold on a second, I need to buy a ticket first, don't I? Do I have to buy the ticket at the front of the vehicle directly from the driver, or is there some other way to get one before we actually board? 00:29:39.653 --> 00:29:52.230 Yes, you can buy it right here at the ticket validator machine near the front entrance. Just grab your tickets from there quickly, and then we can go ahead and find a nice place inside where we can sit down. 00:29:52.230 --> 00:30:08.682 Alright, got them. I'd like

to buy two tickets, please. Now let's move further back. Why? Because I prefer some peace and quiet, and we will be right here. By the way, why did you choose the number seventy trolleybus? 00:30:08.682 --> 00:30:20.129 We lived right on that street, and we used to walk along Amiens Street all the time. For one thing, I always took this trolleybus to get to school back then. Now, what was the other question you asked me earlier? 00:30:20.129 --> 00:30:34.146 I honestly don't know, I've completely forgotten what it was. But why don't we talk about that instead, because I know you never finished explaining why you decided not to enter politics in the first place. 00:30:34.146 --> 00:30:46.453 Yes, let's definitely talk about that, because I really didn't finish explaining my reasons for staying completely out of politics and why I didn't want to pursue it as a career path at any point in time. 00:30:46.453 --> 00:31:00.483 Yes, exactly, let's go there. I've composed myself, alright? I was waiting for you to direct, since directing also involves editing. Keep talking, you're good at this. So, why didn't you become a politician? 00:31:00.483 --> 00:31:14.982 Why won't I become one? Or rather, why haven't I become one so far? Why up until now? I believe you simply cannot do as much for the causes I consider important if you are a politician or a public official. 00:31:14.982 --> 00:31:27.315 And to be honest, politicians probably won't like hearing this, but you are extremely limited in what you can achieve within that formal system. That is exactly why I have always chosen a different path. 00:31:27.315 --> 00:31:40.586 When they claim that you can't get anything done from the opposition, they mostly use it as an excuse to say they are powerless. But the real essence of this story is that she proves you can actually make a difference. 00:31:40.586 --> 00:31:54.123 And the best part is that you don't even need to be a professional politician to achieve those things. It shows that real impact can come from everyday citizens who are simply dedicated to making a difference. 00:31:54.123 --> 00:32:06.092 Exactly, so I believe that active civic participation is far more crucial than playing a formal political role. Having said that, I must emphasize that we still absolutely need dedicated politicians in office. 00:32:06.092 --> 00:32:22.069 That makes perfect sense, but what about you? What is it deep inside you that keeps you going, and what truly drives your own personal motivation to remain so deeply involved in these vital social issues? 00:32:22.069 --> 00:32:35.990 I'm really interested in what lies deep within you, that constant feeling you have that you must go, you must show it, and you must speak out. There is definitely something buried deep down inside. 00:32:35.990 --> 00:32:52.695 I am really not that kind of psychological case. There is absolutely no way some deeply buried trauma or hidden issue is coming to the surface here; that is just not how my mind works at all. 00:32:52.695 --> 00:33:07.101 No, it is actually quite simple, this has been going on constantly since my childhood. But if something like this has been happening continuously since you were a child, then it definitely is. 00:33:07.101 --> 00:33:19.711 Well, that is definitely not burying things. My point is exactly that I do not bury anything. I am actually doing the exact opposite, bringing it all out instead of keeping it hidden deep inside. 00:33:19.711 --> 00:33:33.503 Yes, but it wants to manifest itself in this specific way. There is something you want to suppress, but by trying to hold it back, you actually end up expressing and declaring it outwardly like this. 00:33:33.503 --> 00:33:44.405 But why is it so unimaginable that someone is compensating for something in a way that they aren't actually compensating at all, but simply that this is just who they are, and nothing more than that? 00:33:44.405 --> 00:33:57.411 I really think you are compensating, but I just do not know why yet. It feels like there is some underlying reason driving your actions that we have not quite managed to uncover in our discussion. 00:33:57.411 --> 00:34:09.050 Really? Well, in that case, where would I even begin to look or feel around for it myself? If there is indeed something hidden there, I have absolutely no idea where it could possibly be located. 00:34:09.050 --> 00:34:21.853 By the end of the second day. By the end of the second day, I think I will get to that point, but I will tell you. But they worry about you and want to protect you. What do they actually say to you then? 00:34:21.853 --> 00:34:37.119 My dear Marci, you really shouldn't be doing this anymore. Dragging your father's family into these public scandals... They said this for a long time, but recently they have finally adapted to all of it. 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:48.992 But what else is coming next, don't they ask you that every single Sunday when you see them? They must be constantly wondering what your next unpredictable move is going to be in the near future. 00:34:48.992 --> 00:35:00.396 No, not anymore, they don't really ask that. I think they have reached a point where they are no longer surprised by anything I do, so they just accept it as it comes without questioning me about it. 00:35:00.396 --> 00:35:12.184 Are they also waiting to see what is going to happen next? Do they have that sense of anticipation, or are they just hoping for some peace and quiet after everything you have put them through lately? 00:35:12.184 --> 00:35:24.975 No, because the imprisonment was one of those things... But my mother handled even that like a total professional now. Since my registered address is at their place, she is the one who gets everything. 00:35:24.975 --> 00:35:37.262 So she is the one who always receives the notifications, and then she always calls me up. Also the fines, and everything else goes to her, because the police also usually look for me over at

their place. 00:35:37.262 --> 00:35:50.219 And now it is to the point where they are very polite, like, 'Auntie Judit, we brought this paperwork, so where can we reach Marci?' She handles it so calmly, it has just become part of her daily life. 00:35:50.219 --> 00:36:00.375 But do they really understand what you want to achieve with all this? Did you manage to find that deep understanding in your parents, and did they fully grasp the message you are trying to send? 00:36:00.375 --> 00:36:14.009 Of course you did. I see, that makes perfect sense to me now. It is reassuring to know that they support you despite all the chaos and public scandals that inevitably follow your actions lately. 00:36:14.009 --> 00:36:24.687 I am not saying they necessarily approve of everything I do, but they can be proud of it, they can appreciate it, and most importantly, they truly understand what my ultimate purpose is with this. 00:36:24.687 --> 00:36:33.829 Yes, when I was in that situation, I was under the strong impression that, oh, now the news articles will start coming out again, saying that Gulyás just couldn't control his blood and things like that. 00:36:33.829 --> 00:36:45.675 So yes, it is surprising that the outcome was so positive, because usually I've gotten used to the fact that if there is such an action, the feedback is generally that I couldn't control myself again. 00:36:45.675 --> 00:36:59.778 It really was such a tense, highly charged atmosphere, in connection with which they actually went as far as saying that you wanted to incite a civil war. That is a very serious accusation to make. 00:36:59.778 --> 00:37:12.025 Yes, indeed, they did say that. It was quite a heavy thing to hear, but in that moment of high tension, people were saying all kinds of wild and exaggerated things about what I was trying to do here. 00:37:12.025 --> 00:37:24.410 Right? It must have been incredibly intense to find yourself in the middle of all that chaos and have people throw such massive accusations at you as if you were some sort of dangerous instigator. 00:37:24.410 --> 00:37:35.867 Yes, that is exactly how it felt. It was a very surreal experience to be painted in that light by the media and the public, especially when you know what your true intentions actually were all along. 00:37:35.867 --> 00:37:46.949 But was there any truth to that accusation at all? Were you actually trying to stir things up to that extreme level, or was it completely blown out of proportion by everyone who was watching you? 00:37:46.949 --> 00:38:04.242 Just look at me, I mean, seriously. Do I really look like the kind of person who would want to start a civil war? The whole idea of that is just completely absurd if you actually know who I am at heart. 00:38:04.242 --> 00:38:16.777 Who knows, really? It is hard to say at this point, but who can truly predict how these things are going to unfold, especially given how incredibly unpredictable everything has become for us lately? 00:38:16.777 --> 00:38:32.544 Obviously, with these business ventures, it is pretty much a civil war. I mean, we have been together for, I don't know, a couple of hours now, so you can see I am not a bloodthirsty beast. I fundamentally oppose all violence. 00:38:32.544 --> 00:38:44.279 You are just a national security risk, okay. But aside from that minor detail, there is absolutely nothing else we should be worried about when it comes to your actions and what you might do next. 00:38:44.279 --> 00:38:56.620 No, by the way, I would like to point out that even though I went ahead and reported myself to the authorities, the police did not launch any investigation, citing the complete absence of a criminal offense. 00:38:56.620 --> 00:39:08.887 And so you asked Szilárd Németh what could happen now? I am really curious to hear what his response was to that direct question, or if he even bothered to give you any kind of sensible answer at all. 00:39:08.887 --> 00:39:21.918 Well, if you can set up a meeting or arrange it, I will definitely ask him myself. I have no problem asking him directly to see what he has to say about this entire situation we find ourselves in. 00:39:21.918 --> 00:39:32.725 That would be so great, but the problem is they won't even talk to me either. They just completely ignore my requests, so I really don't think we have any chance of making that happen anytime soon. 00:39:32.725 --> 00:39:45.110 Well, in that case, who is the real security risk here? If they refuse to talk to both of us, it really makes you wonder who they are actually trying to protect and what they are so afraid of losing. 00:39:45.110 --> 00:39:57.864 I was not the one asking, so you already know the answer. The others didn't become risks either, but then again, they didn't go ahead and report themselves, did they? No, they definitely did not do that. 00:39:57.864 --> 00:40:12.856 Take one! Alright, everyone quiet on the set, we are rolling the cameras now, so let us make absolutely sure we get this right on the very first try without having any more of these unnecessary delays. 00:40:12.856 --> 00:40:23.845 I got it, by the way, but really, isn't it enough that you direct, ask questions, and clap the slate? What else do you possibly want from me now? Do you want to take over my entire talk show as well? 00:40:23.845 --> 00:40:34.140 Actually, I would gladly do it, you know, Judit, I will do my interview with you for New Year's Eve. It would be an absolute pleasure to collaborate on something special like that for the holidays. 00:40:34.140 --> 00:40:47.667 Really? Is that a serious offer, or are you just teasing me right now? Because if you are actually serious, I would honestly love to make that happen and do a special holiday show together with you. 00:40:47.667 --> 00:40:59.017 Which is always nothing, but still... But what was your goal with this anyway? What exactly were you trying to achieve by suddenly bringing this up in the middle of our

conversation today, if I may ask? 00:40:59.017 --> 00:41:11.776 Well, so that we can finally make some toasted sandwiches. I thought it would be a nice and simple way to have a quick bite while we talk, but it seems like we are not going to do that today after all. 00:41:11.776 --> 00:41:22.511 Toasted sandwiches? You wanted us to make toasted sandwiches? That is quite an unexpected request for a professional recording session, but I suppose even stranger things have happened here before. 00:41:22.511 --> 00:41:38.467 Because I thought you would welcome me with some breakfast or something similar, but clearly I cannot expect that from you. So, I can see that your life is just in complete and total chaos right now. 00:41:38.467 --> 00:41:50.202 No way is my life in complete chaos! It might look a bit disorganized from the outside, but I assure you that I have everything under control and things are running exactly as they should be here today. 00:41:50.202 --> 00:42:02.865 But still, you did clean up a bit around here, didn't you? It looks a lot more presentable than usual, so I appreciate the effort you put into making this place look somewhat decent for our meeting today. 00:42:02.865 --> 00:42:12.424 Especially since they are going to record it, and the other thing is, having goulash in a messy kitchen wouldn't look very good on camera. We have to maintain some standard of decency for the viewers. 00:42:12.424 --> 00:42:25.503 You are focusing on that again, it is absolutely unbelievable. You always manage to get distracted by the most minor details instead of focusing on what is actually important for us to discuss right now. 00:42:25.503 --> 00:42:38.582 Would you like a cup of coffee? I can easily brew some fresh coffee for us right now if you want, which might help us both stay awake and focused for the rest of this rather long conversation here today. 00:42:38.582 --> 00:42:50.967 Uh-huh, well, I will gladly accept your offer. It is always nice to have a warm drink, and I certainly won't turn down a good cup of coffee when it is so kindly offered to me during our conversation today. 00:42:50.967 --> 00:43:06.228 A cup of coffee? Is there one over there? Yes, yes, that is right. So, that makes three coffees in total. I will go ahead and prepare them for everyone right away so we can keep going without delay. 00:43:06.228 --> 00:43:19.592 Well, but I really wanted to see him going in wearing a tie, because that wasn't why I asked, you know. I was genuinely curious about his appearance and wanted to see how he presented himself today. 00:43:19.592 --> 00:43:31.561 Then you have to go to court, because that is the only place where I actually dress up like that. I usually don't wear a tie anywhere else unless it is an absolutely mandatory occasion for me to do so. 00:43:31.561 --> 00:43:43.008 Is that so? And otherwise, is it really only the court that makes you dress up like that? Are there absolutely no other special events or formal meetings

where you would consider wearing a tie at all? 00:43:43.008 --> 00:43:53.164 Yes, that is absolutely correct. I agree with you completely on that point, and I think it is important for us to clarify these details right from the very beginning of our conversation here today. 00:43:53.164 --> 00:44:05.996 Well, hi there! No, we are going to get this set up and warm it up. Oh, look, he is looking for coffee. Aha, so that is how much experience he has with brewing coffee, which clearly isn't very much at all. 00:44:05.996 --> 00:44:19.779 Let's add very quickly, and quite urgently indeed, that this is absolutely not my kitchen. I would never have a place looking like this, so please don't judge my domestic skills based on what you see here. 00:44:19.779 --> 00:44:32.858 What kind of housework do you actually do when you are at home? Do you clean, cook, or handle other chores around the house, or do you leave most of those duties to someone else to take care of? 00:44:32.858 --> 00:44:48.475 Absolutely everything. What do I love doing the absolute most? Doing the laundry. I am a complete and total maniac when it comes to washing clothes, I love soaking things and getting them perfectly clean. 00:44:48.475 --> 00:45:03.271 I was just thinking about whether it feels like a failure sometimes. I mean, you can mobilize people and get them out on the streets, but I still feel like it is just not enough to make a real difference. 00:45:03.271 --> 00:45:17.182 Of course, this isn't necessarily up to you, but it's like, I don't know how you experience these things. Do you always expect more, because that cathartic moment you really count on never actually seems to happen? 00:45:17.182 --> 00:45:28.357 But I think that is once again just your own subjective view. It only takes you into a single fleeting moment, but in my opinion, let's say that trial over there, that could have been such a cathartic moment. 00:45:28.357 --> 00:45:41.254 Still, at times like this, I'd be so curious about your parents, it would be great to talk to them about what they think. How did they watch you go through that, did they cry, or were they incredibly proud of you? 00:45:41.254 --> 00:45:53.760 My older brother was actually there at the trial the entire time, sitting through every single session, so he saw firsthand how everything unfolded and experienced the whole emotional atmosphere of the courtroom. 00:45:53.760 --> 00:46:05.013 And how did he react to everything he saw? What did he have to say about the whole experience afterwards, and how did it affect him to watch you go through such an intense and emotional ordeal in public? 00:46:05.013 --> 00:46:18.786 Well, he was also deeply moved by the entire situation. But anyway, alright, let's make it Christmas for you then, since we are sharing these personal moments. Let me tell you what was the most wonderful part of it. 00:46:18.786 --> 00:46:31.812 You know who is going to make a New Year's Eve show for you? No one is doing

it for me, I am going to make one for you. Oh, how I would love that, it would honestly be the absolute highlight of my entire year. 00:46:31.812 --> 00:46:42.442 Hopefully, for once, your viewership numbers will actually rise above one hundred thousand. That would be quite something, wouldn't it? Let's see if we can finally reach that milestone together with this. 00:46:42.442 --> 00:46:53.632 For me personally, the most important thing about this whole situation was that some of my harshest critics, who used to literally spit acid whenever they saw me, actually reached out to me by writing or calling. 00:46:53.632 --> 00:47:06.912 They basically said, look, I normally can't stand you at all, and I truly believe there are few people more harmful than you, but credit where credit is due, you really handled this incredibly well and nailed it. 00:47:06.912 --> 00:47:20.917 And then I said fine, but of course, this is once again a matter of vanity. It bothers me that this warms my ego, soothing my little soul and my heart. I really cannot deny that this felt incredibly good to hear. 00:47:20.917 --> 00:47:34.742 There is no point in trying to deny that it is indeed very flattering. It absolutely boosts my confidence, even if I try to remain humble about all of this positive feedback that has been coming my way recently. 00:47:34.742 --> 00:47:49.687 How did you experience it when the government press started attacking you for advertising on a gay forum and being active in that community, which actually led to a lawsuit? How did you deal with that afterward? 00:47:49.687 --> 00:48:04.468 Because, as we all know, this has unfortunately become a very common and standard practice for the government-controlled media outlets when they want to systematically target and discredit their opponents. 00:48:04.468 --> 00:48:20.012 Yes. I believe that when it comes to being targeted with homophobic slurs, it was specifically just Gábor Vona and myself. If I remember correctly, they only did this to the two of us, and nobody else was targeted. 00:48:20.012 --> 00:48:32.856 So you are on the exact same platform as Gábor Vona, so to speak, aren't you? It is quite fascinating how the two of you ended up being grouped together like that by the media during this entire campaign. 00:48:32.856 --> 00:48:46.858 Well, what a fine company that is, don't you think? I mean, Gábor Vona and myself. It is certainly an unexpected pairing, but that is the reality we found ourselves in during that intense period of attacks. 00:48:46.858 --> 00:48:58.273 I mean, how should I put it... let's take it however we want to take it. No, I just want to say in connection with this, but please keep holding that camera too, since you're already recording anyway. 00:48:58.273 --> 00:49:09.496 Alright, come on, let's get going. Show me what exactly I am supposed to be looking for here. Tell me, how does that whole Darth Vader sketch actually fit into this entire video, what's the deal with it? 00:49:09.496 --> 00:49:22.799 Well, that is a very good question. Was the title 'Lord Vader Settles Down' or something similar to that? Personally, I really love these political comedies, and I absolutely adore Stephen Colbert. 00:49:22.799 --> 00:49:35.046 I also used to love Jon Stewart back in the day, and now I really like John Oliver. I just love this whole news commentary and satire genre; it is something that I truly find incredibly entertaining. 00:49:35.046 --> 00:49:47.428 This country is in such a terrible state that simply making jokes about our daily horrors is no longer a sufficient civic action. We must participate more actively in shaping things to bring about real change. 00:49:47.428 --> 00:50:01.105 That is what I am doing now, but normally, I would love to do things like this because I find it much more liberating in a way. I mean, just goofing around in front of the camera? Yes, I really love doing that. 00:50:01.105 --> 00:50:14.700 Oh, come on! It is not just goofing around. Sure, when it is just me, okay, that is goofing around, but what would you do when the street gets wild? Which one do you want to see, when I'm with the police? 00:50:14.700 --> 00:50:22.448 Ah, I see what you mean. Yes, let's definitely take a look at that particular video and see what's happening there. 00:50:22.448 --> 00:50:28.667 That should be right over here on this screen, let me find it for you real quick so we can play it. 00:50:28.667 --> 00:50:38.569 I am instructing you once again to hand over your personal identification card and properly identify yourself right now. 00:50:38.569 --> 00:50:42.698 Oh, wait a minute, no, that is actually not the one I wanted to play for you. 00:50:42.698 --> 00:50:46.453 Didn't they just burst out laughing at you when you did that? 00:50:46.453 --> 00:50:55.275 So, Lord Vader signs up to be a border hunter, and then he goes all the way down to the national border with the official registration paperwork he received during his visit to Szeged, right? 00:50:55.275 --> 00:51:09.742 We would like to sign up as border hunters. All right, then. They told me at the Black Pearl Base that if I came down here, I could sign up to be a border hunter. Is that right, my dark highness? 00:51:09.742 --> 00:51:29.691 I do this simply because I enjoy it. I enjoy it tremendously, and in that sense, I'm just a cheap showman, a failed actor who could never make it onto a real stage, so he built his own instead. So, on one hand, that is absolutely true. 00:51:29.691 --> 00:51:34.001 Well, that can actually be a very clever approach to take, you know. 00:51:34.001 --> 00:51:45.297 That is one side of it. But on the other hand, my personal experience is that we talked a lot about basic human rights in connection with the refugee crisis, but this discourse simply does not work in Hungary. 00:51:45.297 --> 00:51:49.799 Who else belongs to the group of these subversive, Soros-backed disruptors? 00:51:49.799 --> 00:52:07.385 Here it

is! This is definitely the absolute best one. Look at this, it is by far the silliest face. People will surely notice this right away, won't they? I mean, he might not even survive the night. 00:52:07.385 --> 00:52:18.655 These video recordings absolutely must reach the general public under any circumstances, specifically to inform them about what kind of dangerous, subversive elements are living right here among us. 00:52:18.655 --> 00:52:27.797 Ladies and gentlemen, in order to get the most reliable information about what they are planning for this autumn, we decided to spend the night at the base so we can get a clear picture in daylight too. 00:52:27.797 --> 00:52:42.114 But come on, you have to tell me this! What is this whole Soros thing anyway, and what is its actual name? I mean, how did you even come up with it? It sounds like such a bizarre concept to bring up here. 00:52:42.114 --> 00:52:53.303 Are you referring to the Soros-meter? Is that what you mean? Because that is the exact name I came up with for it, if that is indeed the specific thing you are asking me about on this podcast right now. 00:52:53.303 --> 00:53:08.605 The Soros-meter. How on earth did you even come up with that name? But seriously, tell me, how does something like this even cross your mind? I am genuinely curious about your whole thought process here. 00:53:08.605 --> 00:53:20.564 Oh, well, there are plenty of things like this. So, when I ask myself, these ideas just sort of come to me. Yes, I suppose I have a bit of a special knack for this, as you can clearly see right here. 00:53:20.564 --> 00:53:33.963 But where exactly is this Soros-meter anyway? That is honestly the absolute best part of it. I think I am going to have a little taste of this, just to try a single bite of this delicious dish here. 00:53:33.963 --> 00:53:45.794 This is your own recipe, so I didn't add anything else to it other than following your exact instructions. So if you don't like how it tastes, I have absolutely no responsibility for it whatsoever. 00:53:45.794 --> 00:53:56.878 The political animal in me came out because I felt that, okay, if you are going to try this with me, don't you dare think I will hide in a corner. Come out into the open, and let us settle this once and for all. 00:53:56.878 --> 00:54:10.283 And within an hour, I think, I released that video on my Facebook, saying that if the question is whether I am a faggot or not, then come out there to the square and ask me face-to-face on the stage. 00:54:10.283 --> 00:54:22.210 Once you are there, I will tell you directly whether I am a faggot or not. And when I stood up on stage and they finally had the chance to ask me this, the ultimate response was that they did not even show up. 00:54:22.210 --> 00:54:36.877 I am really curious whether this could be said openly, or if it could even be said here in Hungary, that it is actually incredibly uncomfortable and awkward to even have to ask this sort of question. 00:54:36.877 --> 00:54:49.689 Because why on earth do people even feel the need to ask such a question? Why does someone's personal, private life have to be put on display like this for absolutely everyone to gossip about and judge. 00:54:49.689 --> 00:55:06.222 Because, as we know, people just love to pry into other people's private lives. So the real question is, can one speak completely honestly about this? Personally, I think it is absolutely possible to do so. 00:55:06.222 --> 00:55:22.835 I can easily say that I live an incredibly emotionally rich, deeply intimate, intense, and fantastic sexual life with my partner, and this is a truly important and deeply cherished part of my life for me. 00:55:22.835 --> 00:55:39.505 Hello! Hi everyone! I got it, yes. Let's talk later, okay? I just didn't have a proper answer ready yet, but we will discuss everything with everyone. Ah, Mr. Mellár, my absolute highest respects to you! 00:55:39.505 --> 00:55:54.100 Hey there, hey, hello! It is so great to see you, hi, hello! How have you been lately? I am really glad we could catch up like this today, it is absolutely wonderful to see everyone gathered here together. 00:55:54.100 --> 00:56:05.398 Just make sure you arrange one very important thing with Mirkó, and that is about the presentation slides, so we can have absolutely everything set up according to the plan we discussed earlier today. 00:56:05.398 --> 00:56:18.711 Do not worry about that, I have already taken care of it, everything is fully sorted out and ready to go. I made sure that those slides are exactly where they need to be for our main presentation. 00:56:18.711 --> 00:56:30.542 I feel like you are really in your element right now. Am I seeing this right, that you just love organizing, managing, moderating, and playing the absolute central role in everything that goes on here? 00:56:30.542 --> 00:56:44.506 Yeah, you always try to shift the focus right back onto me. No, it is not that at all, it's just that things are actually happening right now, there is real action, and that is just absolutely great to see. 00:56:44.506 --> 00:56:57.628 What exactly is happening right now? What is this big event or situation that you are talking about? Could you explain what is going on that makes you feel so incredibly excited and in your element today? 00:56:57.628 --> 00:57:08.765 Well, it's just that people are coming now, and they are waiting to see if we can say something that will validate their deepest desires and hopes regarding a real and long-awaited change of government. 00:57:08.765 --> 00:57:21.481 And now he is going to disappear, either to confirm it or not. This is an incredibly exciting and highly unpredictable situation, and we honestly shouldn't let things like this go completely unresolved. 00:57:21.481 --> 00:57:34.431 But I actually saw him with my own eyes, and he is practically jumping up and down with sheer joy and excitement; he seems absolutely thrilled and incredibly delighted about how

things are going. 00:57:34.431 --> 00:57:45.816 Yeah, that's what I usually tend to do, absolutely. So this is exactly what I always end up doing in these kinds of situations, just like this, without any fail, every single time it actually happens. 00:57:45.816 --> 00:58:00.474 Wait, uh-huh, what is that exactly? Are you referring to this specific thing right here? Yes, uh-huh, I see, that makes perfect sense now, and I think I finally understand what you mean by doing that. 00:58:00.474 --> 00:58:11.888 Yes, this is exactly what I usually end up doing; it is like a regular habit of mine, a routine that I perform almost every single day whenever I find myself in this exact situation, you know what I mean? 00:58:11.888 --> 00:58:24.231 Instead of sports, I guess. Okay, help me understand who your colleagues are and who you work with. Would you mind introducing them, explaining what this event is, and who you work with on a daily basis? 00:58:24.231 --> 00:58:41.022 Oh, this... Jutka! She's a very important person, terribly important, right? Jutka Lakatosné, an activist for 'The City is for All' group. She is truly one of the most fantastic activists I've ever known. 00:58:41.022 --> 00:58:53.919 And I say that without any exaggeration. She also fully deserves to have a whole portrait show dedicated to her, to showcase her amazing work and absolutely everything she does for our entire community. 00:58:53.919 --> 00:59:06.840 Oh, you are just flattering her so much! That sounds incredibly sweet of you, but it is definitely a bit of an exaggeration, don't you think? It is still really nice of you to say that, though, I guess. 00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:20.866 A little bit, yes, but it is still true. Gergely Hajdú, Bálint Misetics. Jutka, let's sit over there by the... But I really want to introduce him too, since we are doing this. He is in the front row. 00:59:20.866 --> 00:59:32.257 Okay, but did you manage to put your stuff aside at the buffet, because we are right in the corner over there and it might get a bit crowded with everyone trying to squeeze into that tiny space now. 00:59:32.257 --> 00:59:46.479 Hey Gyuli! How have you been? It is so great to see you here today, I didn't expect to run into you at this event. How are things going with you lately? We should definitely catch up really soon, okay? 00:59:46.479 --> 00:59:59.868 In that case, I will go ahead then. Hello, and bye for now! I'll see you guys in a little bit, make sure to save me a good seat if you can, alright? Talk to you later, take care of yourself, bye bye! 00:59:59.868 --> 01:00:10.621 In that case, I will head up front. Okay, thank you very much for that, we really appreciate your help and cooperation with everything today, it makes a huge difference for us, thank you so much again. 01:00:10.621 --> 01:00:23.667 Bálint also absolutely deserves a portrait show of his own, but in fact, I think you are the one who really deserves a full portrait show to be made about your life and work, to be completely honest. 01:00:23.667 --> 01:00:38.100 If this unfortunate city ever gets lucky again, it will live to see Bálint Misetics become its deputy mayor for social affairs, or perhaps even the deputy mayor for housing affairs in the near future. 01:00:38.100 --> 01:00:52.287 That is incredibly kind of you to say, I really appreciate the compliment, even though I'm not sure if I'm really the right person for such a major role or if I deserve that kind of very high praise. 01:00:52.287 --> 01:01:04.880 It's not kind of me, I just really want you to take this on one day. No, Bálint is a terribly important friend of mine, a comrade, and one of my most crucial inspirations in a political sense, absolutely. 01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:15.318 Honestly, I have learned the most from him, I must say, definitely more than from anyone else among our peers. He has shaped my thinking in so many profound ways over the years we've worked together. 01:01:15.318 --> 01:01:34.185 It's a lonely night, and everybody is happy. It's funny how those things go sometimes, isn't it? Just sitting here thinking about how quiet everything is right now while we are just waiting around here. 01:01:34.185 --> 01:01:47.551 So, as I was talking here, party leaders are coming, those who appeared here, and it was interesting to see that people who have been in politics for twenty years somehow cannot pull this off, to mobilize the public like this. 01:01:47.551 --> 01:02:01.644 A thirty-one-year-old guy, and he pulls it off, alright, what does it take? So, up until now, none of them have succeeded. Well, that is not entirely true, some have made progress in their own ways. 01:02:01.644 --> 01:02:13.613 And it's not just me either; this is really about building a movement. We are working together to create something much larger than any single individual could ever hope to achieve on their own in politics. 01:02:13.613 --> 01:02:26.659 So, while in Hungarian politics almost everyone else tends to think in terms of individual performance, politics actually works best when the direction is determined by collective, shared community action. 01:02:26.659 --> 01:02:40.254 With such an intense and demanding schedule filled with endless responsibilities, how much free time do you actually have left to spend on yourself, to just sit back, relax, and clear your mind these days? 01:02:40.254 --> 01:02:55.744 For myself? Yes, there is indeed some time. It's definitely not a lot, but I always make sure to carve out a little bit of personal time to recharge my batteries amidst all of this intense daily chaos. 01:02:55.744 --> 01:03:07.670 Because I truly tend to notice that absolutely everything in your life seems to revolve completely around your work, leaving very little room indeed for any other personal activities or hobbies at all. 01:03:07.670 --> 01:03:22.615 Yes, that is absolutely true, it really does feel like that sometimes, as my professional work and responsibilities

consume almost all of my waking hours and energy, leaving very little room for anything else. 01:03:22.615 --> 01:03:36.167 Alright, here comes our hot soup! No worries at all, please just go ahead and start eating, don't let it get cold while we continue with our highly interesting and engaging conversation right here today. 01:03:36.167 --> 01:03:48.556 But that is not necessarily a bad thing, and yes, there can be some tensions arising from that, unlike when someone isn't in a committed relationship where they constantly need to make time for each other. 01:03:48.556 --> 01:04:03.449 Wonderful. When you are in a relationship, you have to find time for each other, but my partner is also a very busy person who works a lot, which makes scheduling quite difficult. But we have an agreement. 01:04:03.449 --> 01:04:16.805 Thank you very much, this looks absolutely delicious and smells incredible, we really appreciate the great service today! It is always wonderful to enjoy a good meal during such a fascinating discussion. 01:04:16.805 --> 01:04:30.300 We have an agreement for... What kind of deal? Well, the deal is that once this intense period is finally over, we will retreat and take some good, quality free time together to completely relax and recharge. 01:04:30.300 --> 01:04:44.399 Do you really enjoy good food, fine drinks, and other high-quality things in life, or are you actually more of a simple person when it comes to enjoying these everyday pleasures and culinary experiences? 01:04:44.399 --> 01:04:57.488 I absolutely love to eat, so I am a very gluttonous person; that is one of my sins. I also really love to drink, and on top of that, I'm doing Dry November right now, and today is November seventeenth. 01:04:57.488 --> 01:05:09.371 Yes, roughly. It is the seventeenth of the month today. Yes, because I think tomorrow is already the eighteenth, if I am not mistaken about the current calendar date we have right now in November. 01:05:09.371 --> 01:05:20.313 Yes, and I haven't had a single drop of alcohol for seventeen days now, and I don't have any withdrawal symptoms, so there is absolutely no problem with that at all for me so far on this dry journey. 01:05:20.313 --> 01:05:36.686 But do you actually enjoy your life otherwise? Yes, to the absolute maximum? Absolutely, without any doubts or regrets in your mind at all, finding true joy in every single moment that comes your way? 01:05:36.686 --> 01:05:49.487 Very much indeed, I really do love every aspect of my life and all the incredible experiences it brings. It is a wonderful journey that I am incredibly grateful to be on each and every day of my life. 01:05:49.487 --> 01:06:04.257 Really, is that so? What is it that makes you feel that way so strongly in your heart, especially given how incredibly difficult and demanding your professional line of work can be on a regular daily basis? 01:06:04.257 --> 01:06:18.744 Very much. Why? Because I have such an immense, deep love for life. Now, genuinely, despite all of my incredibly busy times and hectic schedule, that love keeps me grounded and motivated to continue. 01:06:18.744 --> 01:06:30.862 Is it towards other people, towards the environment, or, I don't know, towards all the wonderful and challenging things that you have experienced throughout your life up until this very moment in time? 01:06:30.862 --> 01:06:46.085 You could say it is absolutely a classic case where you can say this is what it's about, in my opinion. So, I think it is very difficult to do politics if you don't have such a strong love for humanity. 01:06:46.085 --> 01:06:58.107 By that, I mean a deep sense of love and responsibility for one's fellow human beings, which should be at the very core of any truly meaningful political work in our society and our local communities. 01:06:58.107 --> 01:07:10.535 What do you think, why does Viktor Orbán actually work so hard? What is his ultimate motivation in politics today, what drives him to keep going with such intensity and passion year after year now? 01:07:10.535 --> 01:07:24.077 I think it is because he is deeply convinced that what he does is the only good thing for this country, and he has a deep sense of responsibility to hold this society together with all its troubles and issues. 01:07:24.077 --> 01:07:37.017 And he believes this is the only way to provide them with security. In this, by the way, he partly consciously lies to them, so he knows exactly where he is cheating, but when he has to justify it to himself. 01:07:37.017 --> 01:07:49.135 Whether in Felcsút at night when he lays his head to sleep, or anywhere else where he finally gets into bed and reflects on his day, he convinces himself that his actions are truly necessary for the nation. 01:07:49.135 --> 01:08:02.897 When he is completely alone, with no one around, and say, even a tiny spark of doubt might arise in him, then his ultimate reassurance is surely that 'I mean well for them, I want what's best for them'. 01:08:02.897 --> 01:08:12.412 It might not be the absolute best solution out there, but no one else is capable of providing anything better than this, and yet, I am the one who is actually standing up and getting the job done. 01:08:12.412 --> 01:08:27.208 And this is probably what can still reassure a person, silencing their entire conscience, if they even have one left. I think they do, which is why it is so crucial to engage with art or read Dostoevsky, to know exactly... 01:08:27.208 --> 01:08:36.523 It doesn't work in a way where a person completely wipes out their human essence, as if those psychological mechanisms that exist within every single one of us are no longer present inside of them at all. 01:08:36.523 --> 01:08:51.244 Viktor Orbán has qualms of conscience, doubts, and guilt just like anyone else, but I think by now he has developed a reflex that justifies it all because he is trying to serve a greater good that benefits society. 01:08:51.244 --> 01:09:04.316 It might

be in a terrible state, perhaps in permanent isolation, or even in absolute, irreversible poverty, but he still believes he is doing it for their own benefit, even if it leads to total stagnation. 01:09:04.316 --> 01:09:16.509 I just mean that it is great how he goes on continuously, but it is not me who is constantly talking here, it is him. So tell me, what is he really like when he gets into this sort of state anyway? 01:09:16.509 --> 01:09:33.865 Well, it is a compulsive urge to speak, isn't it? A sort of uncontrollable talkativeness where you feel this overwhelming pressure to keep explaining yourself over and over again to anyone who will listen. 01:09:33.865 --> 01:09:47.232 Yes, a total compulsion to speak. It is that unstoppable drive to keep talking without a single pause, as if staying silent for even a moment would force you to face the quiet reality around you. 01:09:47.232 --> 01:09:59.020 And with this constant stream of words, what exactly am I trying to compensate for in the end? What is the deeper insecurity that I am desperately trying to cover up with all this endless talking? 01:09:59.020 --> 01:10:14.563 Oh, look at that, he is incredibly interested in finding out! You can see how genuinely curious he is to hear the answer, as if this psychological puzzle is the most fascinating thing in the world. 01:10:14.563 --> 01:10:25.284 He is extremely interested in finding out what the ultimate solution to this puzzle is, as if cracking this psychological code would somehow explain everything about his current state of mind right now. 01:10:25.284 --> 01:10:38.141 Wait, the camera isn't even rolling right now. The reels are completely stopped, so none of this conversation is being captured on tape, and we are just talking to ourselves in an empty studio. 01:10:38.141 --> 01:10:50.110 Is it really not rolling? Let me check the equipment because it would be a huge shame if we lost all this valuable footage just because someone forgot to press the recording button on the main camera. 01:10:50.110 --> 01:11:01.656 You need to speak up much more loudly so that the microphone can pick up your voice clearly, otherwise the sound levels will be completely off and we won't be able to hear a single word of this. 01:11:01.656 --> 01:11:11.907 The editor won't be able to balance the audio levels later if you keep mumbling, making it completely impossible to clean up the sound track or adjust the volume properly during the post-production. 01:11:11.907 --> 01:11:22.604 That is exactly what I want to take a closer look at over there, just to make sure we are not missing any important details or settings on that machine before we continue with the rest of the show. 01:11:22.604 --> 01:11:33.731 Which particular one of those items are you talking about right now? Could you please point it out directly so I know exactly where to look without wasting any more time searching around the desk? 01:11:33.731 --> 01:11:48.527 Yes, that specific one right over there in the corner, the one resting on the edge of the shelf next to the other books. That is the exact notebook I was referring to just a few moments ago, indeed. 01:11:48.527 --> 01:12:00.955 That object right over there is actually just a simple notebook, isn't it? It looks like a personal journal where someone has been scribbling down their daily thoughts and scheduling all of their appointments. 01:12:00.955 --> 01:12:13.148 No, that is not a notebook at all, it is actually an appointment planner. It is a detailed calendar where I carefully write down all of my scheduled meetings, deadlines, and daily tasks for the week. 01:12:13.148 --> 01:12:24.944 In that case, let's take a look at that appointment planner instead. I am really curious to see what kind of busy schedule is hidden inside those pages and how you manage to organize your daily life. 01:12:24.944 --> 01:12:38.769 Is that really true? I honestly find it hard to believe that you manage to keep track of absolutely everything in such a small, traditional paper planner without relying on any digital calendar apps. 01:12:38.769 --> 01:12:50.600 Do you really do it just like that, without any complex system or digital backup? It seems incredibly straightforward and old-fashioned, but if it works for you, then I suppose there is no need to change it. 01:12:50.600 --> 01:13:06.516 I am genuinely curious to see how he actually writes his notes and what kind of secrets or daily routines are recorded inside that book. It must be fascinating to look at his personal handwriting. 01:13:06.516 --> 01:13:20.203 I write absolutely terribly, to be honest. My handwriting is so messy and chaotic that most of the time even I have a really hard time deciphering what I actually scribbled down just a few hours earlier. 01:13:20.203 --> 01:13:30.629 Yes, I can totally understand that struggle because my own handwriting is often completely unreadable too, especially when I am in a rush and trying to write down my thoughts as quickly as possible. 01:13:30.629 --> 01:13:41.441 What subject did you actually end up failing back when you were in school? I am really curious to know which classes gave you the most trouble during your time as a student, if you do not mind sharing. 01:13:41.441 --> 01:13:53.549 Did you get a lot of bad grades when you were in school, or anything like that? I wonder if you were the type of student who constantly struggled with exams and ended up getting into trouble with teachers. 01:13:53.549 --> 01:14:05.796 To be completely honest with you, I pretty much only had bad grades throughout my entire school years. I was never the academic type, and my report cards were always filled with terrible marks. 01:14:05.796 --> 01:14:18.116 Oh, my goodness, I am so incredibly sorry for bringing up such a sensitive topic! I did not mean to make you feel uncomfortable or put you on the spot by asking about your past academic performance. 01:14:18.116 --> 01:14:33.261 Thank you very much

once again for being so open and honest with us today! It has been an absolute pleasure chatting with you, and we truly appreciate you taking the time to share these personal stories. 01:14:33.261 --> 01:14:48.751 Goodbye, Zsolt! It was truly wonderful to have you here with us on the show today, and I sincerely hope that we will have the chance to sit down and chat again sometime in the near future. Take care! 01:14:48.751 --> 01:15:04.520 We would like to say a huge thank you to everyone in our audience once again for tuning in and listening to our conversation today! Your support means the absolute world to all of us here in the studio. 01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:16.212 I really did have almost exclusively bad grades during my time in school. It was a miracle that I even managed to pass some of my classes, as studying was definitely not my main priority back then. 01:15:16.212 --> 01:15:32.501 Is that really true? It is hard to imagine someone as articulate as you struggling so much in school, but I guess traditional academic grades do not always reflect a person's true potential in life. 01:15:32.501 --> 01:15:43.875 Well, I was definitely not what you would call a good student by any stretch of the imagination. I spent most of my classroom hours daydreaming about other things instead of focusing on the lessons. 01:15:43.875 --> 01:16:00.068 But is it true that you were preparing to become a puppeteer during your childhood? I heard that you had a massive passion for puppet theater from a very young age and wanted to pursue it professionally. 01:16:00.068 --> 01:16:11.621 Yes, I actually know that part of your story quite well, as it is a highly fascinating detail about your early life that always seems to surprise people when they first hear about your creative background. 01:16:11.621 --> 01:16:23.366 No, actually, that was to be a puppet theater director, but I only wanted to do that when I was a very young kid in kindergarten, which was just a silly childhood dream that I eventually ended up moving past. 01:16:23.366 --> 01:16:30.279 Perhaps I had always wanted to be an actor, but in the end, I ended up becoming a director instead. 01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:36.030 And how on earth are you supposed to make sense of this? What is actually written here? 01:16:36.030 --> 01:16:44.009 Well, this was something I had to read and figure out completely on my own, in my own quiet time. 01:16:44.009 --> 01:16:56.246 Well, you certainly can't make sense of that. But the notebook is completely full. When did it get so packed like this, or rather, how long has it actually been this full? 01:16:56.246 --> 01:17:00.887 This is actually from around my early twenties, pretty much, if I had to make an estimate. 01:17:00.887 --> 01:17:12.760 So, when you are sometimes asking the questions and other times being questioned, which do you prefer more? Is it giving the answers, or is it asking the questions? 01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:21.337 I think I am much better at answering than asking. In my own opinion, I'm not really a particularly talented reporter anyway, to be honest. 01:17:21.337 --> 01:17:24.207 So then, why on earth do you actually keep doing it? 01:17:24.207 --> 01:17:30.727 Because it's an interesting question, or because the subject interests me, and I myself am actually genuinely curious about it. 01:17:30.727 --> 01:17:40.485 They are not letting the media in. Why is that? Who exactly told you that? We have actually come all the way from the news television station. 01:17:40.485 --> 01:17:43.120 We are not allowed to go inside, unfortunately. 01:17:43.120 --> 01:17:53.501 We can't go in, unfortunately. We have absolutely never been in an interview situation like this before. Could you tell us exactly what is going on here? 01:17:53.501 --> 01:18:04.877 Yes, won't they be able to kick you out? Most likely. I don't know when the restaurant will be ready, but we are prepared to stay here until these conditions are finally acknowledged. 01:18:04.877 --> 01:18:15.588 I want to ask, did you bring cold rations with you, or will you just order something and they'll serve you? What are you expecting, that you'll spend the night here? 01:18:15.588 --> 01:18:29.085 This is a non-violent civil disobedience, the main essence of which is that we carry it out in a disciplined, prepared manner, and our most important goal is to finally... 01:18:29.085 --> 01:18:37.605 But let me ask you one more time, did you come prepared with sandwiches and sleeping bags? Because I honestly don't see any around here. 01:18:37.605 --> 01:18:44.475 We didn't come here to eat, we didn't come here to have a picnic, but rather to carry out a serious political action. 01:18:44.475 --> 01:18:57.086 Or did you speak with someone, it's just that from out here you can't see it? Was that the restaurant owner? What did they say, how did they react? I didn't know, they kicked me out of the restaurant when I tried to go in. 01:18:57.086 --> 01:19:02.239 I don't really know, but they are definitely going to help us. 01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:07.410 Thank you very much, keep up the good work! Or are they going to head into the elections like this? 01:19:07.410 --> 01:19:23.507 Not at all, as I am not fighting to seize public power or running in elections. I believe my work can help citizens wanting change find forms of cooperation to end the System of National Cooperation by spring 2018. 01:19:23.507 --> 01:19:36.309 Wow, now would you be able to explain all this to me without being so incredibly stiff? I mean, without sounding like such a textbook square. Wait a minute, what exactly do you mean by calling me a square? 01:19:36.309 --> 01:19:50.137 Well, it is when you talk about boundaries, because you are always safely inside those lines when the camera is rolling. But once we turn it off... oh, come on, that is not true! Anyway, can you speak more casually? 01:19:50.137 --> 01:20:01.456 I am actually as relaxed and casual as I can possibly be within the boundaries that I can realistically provide for you in a situation like this. This is the raw material you have to work with, Judit.